1 Don't know what a Patti LaBelle is and continuing to not know sounds like a good idea.

2 I've been erased!

3

test...test...

where is the post?

4 As a result of the assault, King has been temporarily suspended from West Point for a year and will be forced to serve active duty as an enlisted man.

WTF!? Suspended on what grounds?!

5 4 Yeah WTF?I hadn't heard that(heard the story days ago but didn't look into it).

6

Sorry, I took downt he post earlier. It is common ettiquette to not put two posts out at the same time and I didn't want to step all over DiT's post

7

As a result of the assault, King has been temporarily suspended from West Point for a year and will be forced to serve active duty as an enlisted man.

WTF!? Suspended on what grounds?!

Standing while white....

8

Ben:  The video below the fold. (it's a collection of still images.)

Ultimately, isn't all video just a collection of still images in the end...?

9 Yeah, I watched the vid this morning at the Jawa Report and I think the guy has a really good case.  There's nothing to suggest he did anything other than possibly mouthing off to her security guys... and even that is not proven based on the video (which has no sound).  They used excessive force.  And for what purpose?  Is there some magical zone around celebrities when they double-park in public airport loading zones that we must all observe? 

And I think there may be a defamation case (or whatever it's called) against the police for trying to act like he was intoxicated by saying he had alcohol on his breath.  You're the police.  If he was drunk and disorderly (he was not), then arrest him.  But putting out that he smelled of booze into the media is chicken shit. 

Roast 'em all. 

10

Yeah WTF?I hadn't heard that(heard the story days ago but didn't look into it).

they're claiming he was drunk and started the fight i guess, or at least what i could get from the article is that the Houston Police department are the ones who contacted West Point.

 

King himself said he had two drinks on the plane, however I'm guessing based on his size and taking into consideration a soldiers tolerance for alcohol, that he wasn't drunk.

11

Ben at June 05, 2011 07:56 PM (DKV43)

That's cool.  It 's a good post. I wish it was up on a week day.  It's the strongest post of the day so far.

Yeah, that's right.  I'm calling you out, Dave in Texas...

12 He did not start the fight.


Look, their job is to protect Patti Labelle.  She was in no danger.  She was in the friggin' vehicle already.  Move the damn SUV and move the damn bags.  Or call over the cops. 

13 Is there some magical zone around celebrities when they double-park in public airport loading zones that we must all observe?

Well, duh. Winning!

14

ly good case.  There's nothing to suggest he did anything other than possibly mouthing off to her security guys... and even that is not proven based on the video (which has no sound). 

Yeah, you can see King push one of the guys, but that's because the three men get so close to him as if to be touching him.

What else is he going to do? If someone gets in your face to the point of touching you aren't you entitled to push them back a little bit?

It's clear, I think, from the video that the three body guards were intending to beat him up a bit from the start of it.

15 I think they would not have done this to him had he not been a clean cut, white guy.  They thought they could get away with pushing him around.  I hope they don't. 

16

Ben:  The video below the fold. (it's a collection of still images.)

Ultimately, isn't all video just a collection of still images in the end...?

heh. Yeah it is.

17 Have a couple of Rangers look up those 'heroes.' 

Bodyguards, my ass.  Thugs are thugs.

18 Thanks for getting me angry on a Sunday afternoon.

19 OK, Ben, I thought one of them pushed him first.  Maybe one was gesturing to him.  I guess I need to watch the video again.

I still would like to know why her vehicle and bags have a magical zone around them and also why they were standing there for what looks like a good period of time.  I didn't see a bunch of other vehicles there. 

20 Heh. That future baby killer got what he deserves.

Cook!!

Cook!!!

Where's my fruit?! Where's my water?!

21 King is the man in the yellow shirt at the bottom right of the screen.

You mean the guy getting the shit kicked out of him by a couple of goons?

Yep. Spotted him right away.

22 So,was there another Palin dustup today?Just scanning the thread below it looks like there was.

23 Eh, what do you expect from Houston, it's a shithole sanctuary city. Texas is a great state, but Houston and Dallas are third world cesspools.

24 Ben, if Dave in Texas gives you any grief about stepping on his post, remember this:  Henceforth, your theme song, the sound that should be going through your mind whenever you think of Dave is this...

25 OK, I watched it again. 

First contact is by black dude in wine-colored shirt.  He chest bumps the white guy in yellow. 

The guy in yellow is gesticulating while on the phone.  I am not convinced his response to the chest bump is much more than just more of that.  If he touched him, it wasn't hard. 

26

What else is he going to do? If someone gets in your face to the point of touching you aren't you entitled to push them back a little bit?

I tense up when someone gets close to the 18 inch bubble.

27 That's some high-grade Winning The Future right there.

28 I watched it again. He was standing there and THEY rolled up the luggage in front of HIM. And, it was the man in the red shirt who made first contact. All King did was push him off of him.

I'd love to know what the cowboy in the white hat had to say about it.

29

First contact is by black dude in wine-colored shirt.  He chest bumps the white guy in yellow. 

good eye. It's hard to tell as there are 1-2 second gaps between pictures.

I think you're right, he bumps him and King then pushes him back.

I would think this video will help his case because anything the Houston Police Department reported should be thrown out as it's clear the officers at the scene weren't impartial

30 The police acted stupidly.

31 Clearly this cadet is descended from white devils and as such is not entitled to protection under US law.

32 So,was there another Palin dustup today?Just scanning the thread below it looks like there was.

SHE HAS OVERCOME MORE ADVERSITY THAN ANYONE IN THE LAST 250 YEARS!!!

Dudes, just warning you. I'm not about to let that one go. Expect to see more of it around these parts.

33 30 Yeah,in this case that is a justifiable statement.

34

And You Want R E S P E C T?

35 The police were practically standing in his blood while they took photos with that bitch. They had to mop it up at the end of the vid.

36 "On what grounds"? It seems pretty clear from the footage that King committed the first act of assault. The story goes (and I'm not corroborating, just providing context, since the conservative media has apparently blindly accepted King's version of the facts as unimpeachable truth) that King was asked to step away from the luggage by the driver of limo, and responded by cursing at the driver, telling him that he refused. The footage shows one of the bodyguards trying to physically direct King away from the luggage, but it's pretty clear that the first forceful act was King's retaliatory pushing of the bodyguard...King's person is barely even moved by the first bodyguard trying to move him, and the bodyguard is clearly pushed back by King's reaction. First off, if we really support the best and brightest of the military as we should, we need to stop repeating obviously bullshit spin jobs by the arrogant military brats who make the real heroes look bad. What I'd LOVE to know is how the hell King, who was on his cell phone and anyway couldn't possibly have been privy to what was going on inside a tinted limo, knows that LaBelle "gave her bodyguards an order" to "attack" him -- which, by the way, they did not until he took it upon himself to push back at a bodyguard who was not apparently overly forceful with him. Conservatives need to stop champoining the "causes" of self-important military brats like Michael Behenna and this King guy just because they are members of our esteemed armed forces. These guys who feel like being in the military entitles them to behave in a completely disrespectful manner actually denigrate the service of the rest of the honourable members of our military. By blindly getting behind the "cause" of any military member just because he is a military member, we are actually risking unintentional supporting behaviour and acts that really *are* out of line -- and that support contributes to the cheapening of the honour of our military overall. Sorry to break the news: not everyone in our military is a heroic saint. Let's at least try to parse the facts with a little more diligence, and think about how a guy on his cellphone in an airport passenger-pickup area could possibly have percieved LaBelle ordering her bodyguards to attack him before we repeat that charge just because it came out of a military member's mouth. Smells like litigious gold digging.

37 And You Want R E S P E C T?

Wrong fat black woman.

38

Patti LaBelle for Senate! (How dare you Peon.

Do you know who I am!)

39 SHE HAS OVERCOME MORE ADVERSITY THAN ANYONE IN THE LAST 250 YEARS!!!

heh.  I thought you were talking about Patti LaBelle. 


This really pisses me off. 

I haven't watched to the end of the video (I stopped when the cowboy hat dude - is that a sheriff? - is stooping over the guy on the ground).  Does it really show the police posing for pictures? 

40 You stupid fuck! They wheeled the luggage into his space. He didn't walk over to it!

Wait. You're a sock aren't you?

41 36:

I hope I'm not the first person who tell you you're full of shit today.

42 The HPD has some decent cops. But the mayors have imposed some worthless bastards to lead them; Lee Brown comes to mind, and Harold Hurtt. These guys' main priority was to avoid a lawsuit from Quannell X and similar community organisers. A few murders, rapes, and burglaries? That's just life in a major city.

43 Posted by: NYUCon at June 05, 2011 08:13 PM (BGObg)

Agreed.  Damn conservatives.  If only they'd get their shit together.  I mean "we."

44 I haven't watched to the end of the video (I stopped when the cowboy hat dude - is that a sheriff? - is stooping over the guy on the ground).  Does it really show the police posing for pictures?

Yes. Just before the hygiene engineer mops up the blood.

45

that King was asked to step away from the luggage by the driver of limo, and responded by cursing at the driver, telling him that he refused. The footage shows one of the bodyguards trying to physically direct King away from the luggage, but it's pretty clear that the first forceful act was King's retaliatory pushing of the bodyguard...King's person is barely even moved by the first bodyguard trying to move him, and the bodyguard is clearly pushed back by King's reaction.

Question good sir. Let's say little old unimportant me is standing in a airport passanger pickup area and i tell another person who is close to me to back up from my luggage, then physically beat him down when he doesn't. What happens to me?

Guess what, you'd luggage doesn't have a legal buffer zone. It's not as if the kid was stealing the luggage, he was standing near it, while on the phone.

46 Gee, if I had only pointed this out yesterday on this very site.

47 Did she change her hair style?

48 @36

That's not the way I saw that video. I saw the guy in red chest bump the guy talking on his cell phone. 

Moreover, why the fuck didn't they simply move her bags?  He was not touching the bags.  He was in a public access loading zone in which they were standing (the vehicle) with their client safely seated in the vehicle.  What is the threat that this guy posed? 

And, given that there was a police officer nearby, why in hell didn't they just go get him instead of initiating physical contact? 

49 BTW, you don't want to know what #36 is putting on his weiners.

50

I'm not a lawyer, but someone upstream made a comment that I don't think is going to fly.

And I think there may be a defamation case (or whatever it's called) against the police for trying to act like he was intoxicated by saying he had alcohol on his breath.

I don't think that is very likely. 

51 36 Go fuck yourself dickhole!We can see for ourselves what happened.

52 I haven't watched to the end of the video (I stopped when the cowboy hat dude - is that a sheriff? - is stooping over the guy on the ground).  Does it really show the police posing for pictures? 

oh yeah, fast forward to the end.

53

And You Want R E S P E C T?

Wrong fat black woman.

Posted by: Planet Eart a.k.a. The print media at June 05, 2011 08:13 PM (piMMO)

Aretha Franklin is The Original Diva!

54 Moreover, why the fuck didn't they simply move her bags?

They did move her bags. They rolled them up directly in front of him!

55 Posted by: NYUCon at June 05, 2011 08:13 PM (BGObg) Dammit, I can't tell if A.V.E.R.A.G.E. J.O.E. is sending us some sort of coded message. OITTK...?

56 ...that King was asked to step away from the luggage by the driver of limo, and responded by cursing at the driver, telling him that he refused.

And he has that right.  Even celebrities don't have the right to physically push people out of the way.

57 43 Ha!Lee Brown.When he came to NY as Police Chief Bob Grant gave him the nickname.Lee "Is he in town?" Brown.

58 Posted by: NYUCon at June 05, 2011 08:13 PM (BGObg)

What the fuck is so special about LaBelle's lugguge that everyone must give it a wide berth? It's a freak'n airport, I get hit in head by luggage, people shoving it into berths, luggage set on my feet, luggage pushed against me, etc. Yet we must give LaBelles a buffer. If I was him I'd have told them to fuck off myself. Doesn't mean you should get a beat down.

59

Gee, if I had only pointed this out yesterday on this very site.

I didn't see that Chuckit, but because I'm an all around good guy I'm gonna give you credit.

60 Apropos of nothing, I'm linking to this heartwarming report in the Houston Barnacle. The original title seems to have been "Diversity efforts at HPD pay off". But now, it's "odds now 50/50 an HPD officer will be a minority [but Anglos are still half the force]". Looks like the community leaders wrote in.

Houston has a Commitment To Diversity; public safety, well... if we just wish hard enough....

61

Posted by: Planet Eart a.k.a. The print media at June 05, 2011 08:13 PM (piMMO) 

Does it Matter?

62 Smells like litigious gold digging.

Posted by: NYUCon at June 05, 2011 08:13 PM (BGObg)

It smells like you're full of shit.   King is standing there on the phone not bothering a damn soul when LaBelle's people come strolling up.   He's on the phone minding his own damn business when a bunch of fucking entitled bullies beat the crap out of him.

FUNQ.

63 I don't think that is very likely.

Yeah, I have no idea.  But it seems to me that the police have it within their power to determine if he was drunk (or at least attempt to).  I mean they could have arrested him for drunk and disorderly, right?  They didn't, did they?  So if that's the case why comment on the guy's breath?  If he was drunk and violent, arrest him.  Otherwise, STFU. 

It just strikes me that comments from the police about the guy's breath were an attempt to paint him in an unsympathetic light. 

64

What I find most interesting is that West Point suspended him.

Now... did they suspend him for medical reasons?

For some B.S. chickenshit PC reason/stupid zero tolerance rule?

Or because they think he's a turd, based on what he said and past performance at West Point?

At this point, I honestly don't know.

65

Does it Matter?

Really?

66

This is an easy one.

Patti LaBelle - whom I've never heard of - owes King $5 million for assault and battery.

Her thugs belong back in prison, where they undoubtedly came from.

The HPD "officers" who posed with LaBelle need to be suspended without pay for a month.

67 that King was asked to step away from the luggage by the driver of limo, and responded by cursing at the driver, telling him that he refused.

So, if someone asks you to stand away from your luggage and you refuse (perhaps rudely even), it's then ok to beat the shit out of you?

Fail.

68 Does it Matter?

Is this some sort of play on Matter?

69

ed,

It's my understanding, from what I've read, that West Point suspended him based on Houston PD's reports of the event.

However with this video I imagine West Point will reconsider their choice

70 68 Sounds about right to me,except the HPD guys should be fired outright.

71 I got a question, was any of the bodyguards/thugs arrested for assault?

72 So King gets his ass kicked and he gets suspended by West Point?  Fine organization they have running up there.

73 71 Don't bet on it.Authority listens to authority.

74 King was asked to step away from the luggage by the driver of limo, and responded by cursing at the driver, telling him that he refused. The footage shows one of the bodyguards trying to physically direct King away from the luggage, but it's pretty clear that the first forceful act was King's retaliatory pushing of the bodyguard



I really enjoyed your use of:

'was asked to step away' = Why?  He was there, they came with the luggage, and he was asked to move? Uh, no. Why should he have to move?  Because she is famous?  That makes no sense.  Would he have to move it it was a mom picking up her kid?

'retaliatory pushing' = Hmm.  A person can't retaliate without first being a victim, and since you already stated that the bodyguards 'physically direct'ed him, then they did act first, no?



If this is a sock, great job.
If not, f*ck off.

75 Do you know whose luggage that is?!

76 I have hard time believing the guy as intoxicated because the chest-bump from the thug didn't cause him to lose his balance. I think the staggering after the fact is attributable to cracking his head open on a concrete column.

77 He basically had no chance to defend himself,he pushed the one guy and the three giant thugs beat him down.He was totally unprepared.

78

Patti LaBelle is from Philly and the local idiots here worship her, even though the woman is famous for nothing.  Really, name one of her songs.

Thought so.

79 Patti LaBelle acted stupidly... when she got that hairdo back in the 80's. Beatin' up whitey, though. No problemo.

80 @49: Not saying the bodyguards didn't act excessively. A three-man total beat down in reaction to a bratty, dick-waving push is the definition of "excessive force" and "unproportional response". Somebody called the bodyguards thugs, and their conduct definitely shows them to be. That being said, thuggish conduct is almost expected of bodyguards, and I was addressing the question of why King was suspended by West Point: military members are called to a MUCH higher standard of conduct than bodyguards. The video seems to show pretty clearly that King's push against the bodyguard was the first violent act that took place between him and the bodyguards, and again, he was supposed to have crassly refused the driver's request to step away from the luggage in the first place, which probably precipitated the bodyguard's attempt to physically direct him away from the luggage. The bottom line is that King's conduct was NOT befitting of a West Point cadet by any means, and this self-serving lawsuit he's filed claiming that LaBelle gave orders for men to attack him (an attack which didn't happen until he pushed forcefully against a bodyguard), which he could never have known, seems to shed even more light onto the lack of decorum that he, as a West Point cadet, is required to have.

81 So, if I see Sean Penn or Michael Moore in an airport, I can push my luggage right up to them and order them to move?

And when they refuse I can beat them down with a beer bottle from the bar until they piss themselves?

Because luggage force fields must be maintained!



Good to know.

82 looks like we have another retarded lib troll(BIRM) to slap around for a couple minutes until it starts crying and leaves.

btw, go read some of the comments on patti's FB page, lot of people are pissed off about this.

83 I'm Patti LaBelle, bitch!

84 The telling part will be why he's suspended from West Point. Is it because of brain damage suffered or was he generally a contentious asshole?

85 Having body guards doesn't mean you are worth protecting.

86

Patti LaBelle is from Philly and the local idiots here worship her, even though the woman is famous for nothing.  Really, name one of her songs.

Thought so.

Yeah, I didn't know who she was until I youtubed one of her songs. I've heard it before, but I'm fairly young , so I guess her fame is before my time

87

It just strikes me that comments from the police about the guy's breath were an attempt to paint him in an unsympathetic light.

Y-not at June 05, 2011 08:22 PM (pW2o

Very possibly.

As far as the drunk and disorderly...well, just having booze on your breath won't get you one. (in an ideal world).

But I don't think the cops could arrest him for drunk and disorderly.  That's a misdemeanor.  And the cops didn't actually witness the crime.  All they saw was him on the ground, bleeding.  Even though some wittness may have testified (falsely or not) that he was disorderly, the cops didn't see it.  Even if you assume he was drunk, the cops only have one of the two parts of the crime.

Ah well.  Some moron lawyer will probably chime in soon and clairify the point of law.

88 ...he pushed the one guy and the three giant thugs beat him down.He was totally unprepared.

Posted by: steevy at June 05, 2011 08:27 PM (ij4gf)

It looked to me like he put his arm out to defend an aggressive stance/maneuver from the douchebag body guards.   I hope he takes this shit in front of a jury, because anyone with 2 brain cells should find in his favor.

Does he have any recourse against the equally douchebag move by WP?

89 In better news, there's now 121k hits on Bing for "Patti Labelle is a bitch".

90 Send her some more ham and butter. Let Nature get even so we don't have to.

91 The video seems to show pretty clearly that King's push against the bodyguard was the first violent act that took place between him and the bodyguards

I really disagree with you.  I think you're parsing out "violent act" too much. 

If I'm standing in a public place distracted by my cell phone and two or three big dudes - not wearing police uniforms, btw - get so close to me that one of them chest-bumps me, that's a violent act. 

Picture your daughter, wife, or sister being the guy in yellow and tell me who initiated the violence. 

92

The bottom line is that King's conduct was NOT befitting of a West Point cadet by any means, and this self-serving lawsuit he's filed claiming that LaBelle gave orders for men to attack him (an attack which didn't happen until he pushed forcefully against a bodyguard), which he could never have known, seems to shed even more light onto the lack of decorum that he, as a West Point cadet, is required to have.

 

Agreed.  He should have stood there and gotten the crap kicked out of him.  And saluted afterward.

93 What's funny is Patti LaBelle thinking she needs 3 bodyguards. I wouldn't know her from an airport cleaning lady. This case should hinge on one or two questions: Was the cadet a threat to Patti LaBelle? I don't think he was. Did the cadet assault the bodyguard first? Again, some guy getting into your face while you are on your cellphone seems like a threat to me. I hope the cadet takes LaBelle for what little she is worth.

94

And the cops didn't actually witness the crime.  All they saw was him on the ground, bleeding.

 

He was bleeding in a disorderly fashion.  To the pokey with him!

95 Is it because of brain damage suffered or was he generally a contentious asshole?

Posted by: t-bird at June 05, 2011 08:29 PM (FcR7P)

If that were the case, he wouldn't be in West Point.

96

In some respects, the HPD "officers'" behavior is the worst.

Re the bodyguards, thugs are thugs. Fish gotta swim, birds gotta fly, thugs gotta thug. It's a given. I'd still ring them up for assault and battery, however.

I'd render judgment against this "celebrity" for enough money to hurt. Really hurt.

But if I were the chief of the HPD, I'd make it clear to all officers: if you show up in a photo with a celebrity, your ass is mine. I will ship you to the shittiest part of town for the rest of your days. I don't care if you were photographed inadvertently. You better not have your ass in the same frame with a celebrity. Any celebrity. Put a bag over your head if you must. And God help you if I catch you - or even suspect you of - favoring a celebrity in thought, word, or deed.

97 @83: BINGO!

98 Ah yes of course. Black singer orders bodyguards to beat up white soldier. Black entertainment type orders the beatdown of an innocent "troop".

Right. I see why you love this so much.

I'm sure that the black singer just ordered her guys to beat up an innocent man and they just obeyed and beat him to a pulp for no reason other than their black boss ordered them to do so. I seriously doubt West Point suspends the nation's most elite military cadets when they get arbitrarily beat up by thugs. Seriously!

Right. Go ahead, you racist animals and have your way with this bloody red meat of a story. This shows your true colors very clearly.

99 95 What's funny is Patti LaBelle thinking she needs 3 bodyguards. I wouldn't know her from an airport cleaning lady.

Easy peasy.  The airport cleaning lady is the one making a useful contribution to society. 

100 Must be all access night at the Retardfest.

101

Go ahead, you racist animals and have your way with this bloody red meat of a story.

 

Wow, race-baiting from the troll.  Shocka!

102 Anyone who has had the shit kicked out of them by even one person knows that it ain't like a movie.

It seriously fucks with your equilibrium for a while.

Adrenaline and pain don't turn you into a fuckin kung-fu Special Ops killing machine gymnast like they do in the movies.

103

So, if I see Sean Penn or Michael Moore in an airport, I can push my luggage right up to them and order them to move?

And when they refuse I can beat them down with a beer bottle from the bar until they piss themselves?

Because luggage force fields must be maintained!



sifty at June 05, 2011 08:28 PM (2dbd9)

Heh.  sifty, I don't what you do for a living, but if it doesn't work out, I'd pay you a good wage to put you in charge of my elite, luggage security detail.

 

104 36 Go Fuck yourself city slicker. Hope Mr. King finds the meanest nastiest lawyer out there.

105 The bottom line is that King's conduct was NOT befitting of a West Point cadet by any means

Yeah, those fucking stupid cadets need to know when to follow the orders of some entitled bitch heifer.

And if you go to West Point you're never ever allowed to be rude.

You're kind of a stupid asshole if you believe any of the shit you say.

106 Ace, The Smoking Gun has a piece up on Patriot USA.

107 Posted by: Jimmy-joe at June 05, 2011 08:33 PM (zo+J4) I call 'sock'!

108 100:
Yup. Racist here. Thanks for noticing. Your medal is in the mail. you have provided a great service.

109 110 Well,there is a turd called jimmy-joe that posts here.

110 I call 'sock'!

Posted by: t-bird at June 05, 2011 08:36 PM (FcR7P)

pretty sure that's the real retard himself.

111 108 Ace, The Smoking Gun has a piece up on Patriot USA.

Scratch that. He is "joined at the hip" with Patriot USA.

112 To all the respectfully well-spoken people attacking . This type of response I expect from commentors at the DailyKos of the Huffington Post. A smartcon blog like Ace of Spades should firstly be able to respect well-intentioned alternate opinions and secondly respond to them without blatant mischaracterizations and hateful, profanity-laden personal attacks. Ace and others: why do you allow this type of childish gasbagging on your blog? I come from three generations of military men. While admittedly not possessed of the bravery and selflessness necessary to have joined the military myself, I've been brought up in such a way to understand and respect the higher standard of conduct to which a man our of military is called. Regardless of whether there was any reason for King to be asked to step away from the luggage (and I agree that there was no reason whatsoever), a military man, and especially an Academy cadet, does not curse and then push forcefully back because he "has a right to stay standing where I goddamn well please". He also accepts his punishments with respect and humility...he doesn't run bullshit lawsuit spin-jobs about how he was ordered to be attacked by a celebrity for no reason at all, and because of it, boo hoo poor him, his West Point career has been "thrown away", or whatever he said.

113 There's this:
"But police said it was the 23-year-old cadet who started the incident.A couple of witnesses told authorities that King smelled like liquor and punched the star's limo driver in the face."

107  - Yeah, those fucking stupid cadets need to know when to follow the orders of some entitled bitch heifer.

You forgot "black"...

Look at you all drooling over this story..

114 The thugs were black.... as the night.... Jimmy-Joe was whiter than white....

115

I sure it's AJ with his schtick, because if Jimmy-fuckface joe, and the NY douche are real, I have just one thing to say to them both.

Fuck off and DIAF.

 

 

 

_{Well, yeah, that's 2, but they're both in one sentence.}

116 102 Must be all access night at the Retardfest.

Many high schools have just let out - we might see a deluge of trolls over the next few weeks. 

117 He got suspended because he's a pussy.

Imagine letting some black guys hand you your ass in public. Not West Point material.

118 Is it because of brain damage suffered or was he generally a contentious asshole?

Posted by: t-bird at June 05, 2011 08:29 PM (FcR7P)

If that were the case, he wouldn't be in West Point.

Posted by: Steph at June 05, 2011 08:32 PM (AkdC5)

Why you miserable tick-turd!  I'll go through you like crap through a goose!

119 Regardless of whether there was any reason for King to be asked to step away from the luggage (and I agree that there was no reason whatsoever), a military man, and especially an Academy cadet, does not curse and then push forcefully back because he "has a right to stay standing where I goddamn well please".

There's no evidence he cursed. 

120 Posted by: Tom at June 05, 2011 08:39 PM (uwRgW)

Go to hell. 

121 I come from three generations of military men.

And you're a concerned conservitave christian, we get it, you're "one of us" so we shoud listen to you.

122

Ace and others: why do you allow this type of childish gasbagging on your blog?

 

 

Because he's not a comment Nazi?

123 Hey, I may not have gone to West Point.  But I know something about contentious assholes!

124 WTF is bringing out all these cretins on a Sunday afternoon?Goddamn.

125 Weeee. Hope someone has been limbering up their banhammer arm.

Looks like we got a whole sob of liberal race-baitin trolls coming over tonight.

126 NYUCon, ah thank yew fer yer concern!

127

Why you miserable tick-turd!  I'll go through you like crap through a goose!

Posted by: George S. Patton, '09 at June 05, 2011 08:39 PM (Y2WVW)

Sorry, General, things have changed a bit since you were in.   The whole diversity thing, you know.   Wouldn't want to offend the tick-turd./

128

Tom, please keep the racial crap to a minimum.

This isn't a racial issue, don't make it one.

129 A couple comments talk mention "excessive force"
How much force are private goons allowed to use on a citizen that is in their way? that (allegedly) curses at them? That pushes back when confronted and chest bumped?

fuck the no name third rate singer and the goons she rode in with.

The worse you could say about the cadet is he has very poor taste in shirts.

130 Shorter NYU: If the Security Thugs of a Spoiled Diva put a soldier in the hospital, he had it coming for not bowing to her luggage.

131  "We are family
beating up a honkie for me"

/Fuck Patti Labelle with the barbed cock of Satan or a civil suit....

132 I, for one, would love to see what the great diva puts in her concert rider. Too bad TSG doesn't have that.

133 Nice racism trolling there, Tom.

Sell that crap somewhere else.

134 A couple of witnesses told authorities that King smelled like liquor and punched the star's limo driver in the face.

Who would those witnesses be, do you think?  The "couple of" guards? 

No evidence that he punched the guy in the face.  No evidence that the cadet was out of control.  None whatsoever. 

They pushed him around because they figured they could, because he didn't look like he was the kind of guy who would retaliate.  He was a young, clean cut guy.  It has nothing to do with the demographics of the guards.  It has to do with the demographic of the victim. 

If he was a young woman they would not have tried to intimidate her and gotten physical with her.  Why?  Because they would look unsympathetic.

If he was a tough-looking guy - or a couple of decent-sized guys - they would not have done anything either, except possibly call the police over. 

They picked on him because they could, because they have in the past, because they work for a privileged, talentless princess.

135 My guess is that AOSHQ is going to see an uptick in liberal trolls because of aces killing of Weiner.We are certainly seeing it today.

136 Fucking Teabaggers! Blacks should be able to beat up whites for any reason as a part of reparations owed to them. Charles Johnson and I like riding tandem without the bicycle seats on.

137 137 and they figured he would not say anything. Makes sense and I hope the young man has some really good lawyers.

138

A smartcon blog like Ace of Spades should firstly be able to respect well-intentioned alternate opinions and secondly respond to them without blatant mischaracterizations and hateful, profanity-laden personal attacks.

I come from three generations of military men. While admittedly not possessed of the bravery and selflessness necessary to have joined the military myself...

He also accepts his punishments with respect and humility...

...attacked by a celebrity for no reason at all, and because of it, boo hoo poor him, his West Point career has been "thrown away", or whatever he said.

Posted by: NYUCon at June 05, 2011 08:38 PM (BGObg)

This has got to be a sock.  No NYUCon would be that fucking douchebaggery.

 

139 All this stimulus and DHS money you would think every airport in the country would have multiple coverage HD hidh speed cameras. What, is Texas on jef's shit list for federal funds?

140 Anyone want to bet on Tom and Jimmy Joe coming from the same website?

141

Is it just me, or shouldn't Ms. LaBella and the body guards be charged with felony assault?

142 Don't blame my boy.  It's the AIDS-related dementia.

143 as a West Point cadet, is required to have.

Posted by: NYUCon at June 05, 2011 08:28 PM (BGObg)

go fuck yourself average joe, I am starting to become convinced you  believe this shit.

144 NYUCon, the reason people are giving you such a beating in the comments is that your contentions are... retarded.

145 Notice how it was a guy in a white cowboy hat that helped him out. I'd buy him a beer.

146   Just came from Milwaukee airport a couple days ago - mom came in from Arizona.  I saw some old disco queen there standing next to the luggage carousel near my mom. I thought she looked like trouble with a capital T so I told her to step away from the blue bag, and she said "Hell no" so I chest-bumped her and when that didn't get her to back off I hit her with a huge wedge of cheddar and a giant case of Schlitz.  Blood everywhere.   Paul Ryan came along and asked me if he could have his picture taken next to me, so I said sure.  Then I called up this old lady's record label and got them to drop her.  Serves her right for bein' so sassy. I come from three generations of disco singers, and we were taught better than that. 

147 hold on, I'm looking for my miniature violin for the NYU tard

148 That being said, thuggish conduct is almost expected of bodyguards, and I was addressing the question of why King was suspended by West Point: military members are called to a MUCH higher standard of conduct than bodyguards. The video seems to show pretty clearly that King's push against the bodyguard was the first violent act that took place between him and the bodyguards, and again, he was supposed to have crassly refused the driver's request to step away from the luggage in the first place, which probably precipitated the bodyguard's attempt to physically direct him away from the luggage.

The bottom line is that King's conduct was NOT befitting of a West Point cadet by any means, and this self-serving lawsuit he's filed claiming that LaBelle gave orders for men to attack him (an attack which didn't happen until he pushed forcefully against a bodyguard), which he could never have known, seems to shed even more light onto the lack of decorum that he, as a West Point cadet, is required to have.

Ace and others: why do you allow this type of childish gasbagging on your blog?

Posted by: NYUCon at June 05, 2011 08:28 PM (BGObg)

What is this?  Are you channelling T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII or what?  You got to be pulling our legs...

Yeah, this guy is pulling a funny sock on us.  Check his hash tag.  It's probably a regulars.

149 140 137 and they figured he would not say anything.

Yep.  One good thing that 9/11 gave us are cameras everywhere.

150
Many high schools have just let out - we might see a deluge of trolls over the next few weeks. 

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at June 05, 2011 08:38 PM (c0A3e)

sharpening my knives as we speak

151 err...151 is me.

152  WEST POINT Public Affairs Office.

Director of Public Affairs
Lt. Col. Sherri Reed

Deputy Director
Mr. Joe Tombrello

Executive Officer/USCC
Maj. Olivia Nunn
http://www.usma.edu/Dcomm/


To contact the Public Affairs Office call (845) 938-3808/2006 or e-mail 8pao@usma.edu.

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153 @149

That is some mighty funny shit there, mama!

154 True story.

155 Yeah, this guy is pulling a funny sock on us.  Check his hash tag.  It's probably a regulars.

Checked it against several threads the moment he posted. Can't find it.

156 I come from three generations of military men.

All I can think of is why do three guys have to share one condom? 

157 160 I would like to subscribe to your newsletter!

158 mama did you make fun of her when she was staggering away with a severe concussion?

159 Yeah, this guy is pulling a funny sock on us.  Check his hash tag.  It's probably a regulars.

The thing is, most liberals sound just as stupid as "NYUcon", so it's hard to tell a fake troll from a true fucktard most of the time.

160 115 I come from three generations of military men. One of them was a member of the Village People.

161 mama did you make fun of her when she was staggering away with a severe concussion?

Oh yeah.  And when she tried to get up I called my mom over.  She may be old but she still throws a mean beer bottle.

162

Posted by: mama winger at June 05, 2011 08:53 PM (R9bQ9)

Damn, you's be some kind of funny!

163 Clueless, was it you the other week that mentioned seeing Jackass the Movie for the first time on Comedy Central and finding it funny.  If it was Jackass 2 is on right now.

164

Hear hear, NYUCon!

The sheer effrontery of that West Point rapscallion should outrage all true blueblood conservatives.

I mean good lord, the man has no sense of his place.

Just the other day, I was upbraiding a member of my staff for his malingering, and the cur wasn't quick enough to tug his forelock during his apologies.  A swift thrashing with my riding crop soon brought him into line.

Cheers!

 

165 You know who likes to look at my weiner?  Yep, NYUcon.

166 ONT thread is up!

167 Patti LaBelle is from Philly and the local idiots here worship her, even though the woman is famous for nothing.  Really, name one of her songs.

Hey hey hey, not so fast now, she did that song, you know, back in the 80's and it had a synthesizer in it and, um, there was a video, i think, that looked very 80's-ish, you know the one i'm talkin' about!

168 You know who likes to look at my weiner?  Yep, NYUcon.

Posted by: Tony "Weeny" Weiner at June 05, 2011 09:03 PM (6yyVB)

I don't think looking is what he has in mind.

169

Did Gov. Rick Perry just sign a bill ordering STD vaccinations for all high school girls?

 

I know he didn't but MSNBC is claiming he did.

170 As a member of the Long Grey Line, this is fargin' war!

171 80's-ish, you know the one i'm talkin' about!
Posted by: booger at June 05, 2011 09:05 PM (9RFH1)
*sigh* I have the album. She was never as good as Donna Summer though.
*hangs head*

172 Going to Afghanistan as an enlisted soldier is good training...Being suspended by West Point because a couple of criminals nearly kill the guy for standing in a public place is bullshit!

173 Ugh!  Don't call West Point.  Call your Congressman or woman.  Have them talk to West Point.

True enough that "three generations of military, so I'm an expert even if I didn't serve and don't know how to follow a lawful order" is a concern troll but... seriously... enough of you all understand that the PITA factor will get this guy in more trouble if there gets to be a PITA factor.   So don't bother them at West Point.  Bother your Congressperson and let them pass it on.

Also, anyone who figures that West Point wouldn't suspend him unless he was guilty doesn't understand, because there will be an expectation that one manage, no matter how unfair it is, to extract oneself from a situation. 

Did anyone wonder if, perhaps, removing him *temporarily* from West Point frees him up to pursue a suit against LaBelle without entangling the military in the suit?   He gets to be a civilian for a little bit.   That may well help him rather than hurt him.

174 Synova, he won't be a civilian, but an enlisted man, which really restricts his actions, at least as I understand things.

Hopefully, I'm wrong, and Mr. King will (if his cause is just) be vindicated.

That collection of stills would have me ready to award serious amounts of money.

175 Why the fuck does Patti think she needs body guards? No one knows or cares who the fuck she is or has in 20 years.

I hope this cadet gets fully exonerated and takes her to the fucking cleaners in the bargain.

176 166 The dead giveaway is the NYU part of its nick. There ain't a conservative withing a mile of NYU. Posted by: Soap MacTavish at June 05, 2011 09:02 PM (vbh31) --------------------------------------------------- You would have an equally futile search for anyone who speaks English.

177 "Did anyone wonder if, perhaps, removing him *temporarily* from West Point frees him up to pursue a suit against LaBelle without entangling the military in the suit? "

He's enlisted, and probably damn busy.

No, this doesn't help him sue.

Not that being a cadet was entangling the military.

No disrespect to the Army (I was in the Army years back, and loved it), but the idea of punishing this man, instead of having his back, pisses me off.  The Army took damn good care of Nidal Hasan.  The report on his shooting doesn't even say his name (or "Islam"), but some cadet gets his ass kicked, and the cadet is kicked out of West Point?  They had better have a great explanation for that.

But my guess is they are saying 'stay out of trouble, even if it's not your fault'.  Disgusting, if so.

178 The cops are either ignoramuses or liars, possibly both.  The "breath smelled of alcohol" line is still being used, but it's still false.

Alcohol is odorless.

179 Well I think I've found textual-criticism proof that our Con really is NYU: he spells it "honourable." That not being a word they use at NYU, he obviously cut-n-pasted from Kipling.

Say, will this change the Ring Dance musical programme (see, I can speak English too) at all? I'm sure Patti LaBelly used to be such a favourite at Hudson High...

As long as Michelle O'Bama is still commencement speaker, all will be well (don't laugh -- it's AFA's turn for Preznit next year, and the parents' club is worried as hell that he'll send her instead).

180 NYUCon:

The proper response to three thugs walking up to you and giving you an unprovoked beatdown ( for ANY reason ) is to pull out a revolver and empty it into said three thugs.

The thugs got off light because the cadet was distracted by the phone and was not able to carry proper self-defense tools in an airport area.


And yes, if he did such a thing in NYC, he would go to jail ... which is a good reason to militarily occupy NYC and make the "authorities" there obey the bill of rights.

181 Synova, he won't be a civilian, but an enlisted man, which really restricts his actions, at least as I understand things.

Ah, I see.  Okay. 

182 The real salient question is "Who gives a fuck about Patti LaBelle?"

183 Everything about this story sucks .
 
1. Unprovoked beating by celebrity's hired goons .
2.  Victim is a cadet at West Point .
3.  Cadet is kicked out of the Point .
4. The  boys of the  "thin blue line "  , cover themselves in glory , yet again .

Several commenters have  said the  "bodyguards " are  probably ex cons . More likely they are ex -cops .

Remember boys and girls , the policeman is your friend , be polite to the son of a bitch .
Yeah , I know that  Wyatt and ncj are the good guys  but  a significant number of their brothers  are total scumbags .

184 Patti LaBelle = Heinous bitch.

185 Fuck her.

Entitled bitch.

I hope she goes to jail.

And those cops should be fired.

186 I don't really care if you all attack me. Being called "stupid" by anonymous internet thugs whose entire argumentative lexicon consists of "lolz stupid liar cocksucker i beet u up irlz", or having you attack me for the cultural crime of having a decent vocabulary (OH MY GAWD!!). Let me give you all a hint: Iowahawk can write those fabulous parodies precisely because he DOES have an extremely well-developed vocabulary. He's no thesaurus hack job, and he doesn't just throw out big words when parodying liberals. I apologize if the honestly rather basic vocabulary I've been using has somehow made any of you feel somehow inadequate. Just take heart in the fact that the hard work I've put toward developing my academic excellence will eventually allow me to actually contribute meaningfully ( at leastwith money, if I don't get the Cato job I'd sell what little remains of my soul to get) to the conservative cause in your steads while you are all still struggling to find brilliant new ways to talk about cum and cocksucking in internet "comment-wars" with people you disagree with. That being said, it's pretty fucking CLASSLESS to extend your attacks to my lineage. True: I don't know how to follow a lawful order, because, like I said, I ADMITTEDLY wasn't brave enough to follow in the footsteps of my forebears. However, my family certainly considers itself a military family, and I'm just as proud of that fact as my father and his father and HIS father before me. I was certainly raised in a military household with "military values", if that term carries any specific meaning these days. I was taught to respect authority, to avoid confrontation, and to conduct myself so as to be "the bigger man", no matter how much disrespect I have to suffer. I believe that's a Biblical injunction, as well: "turn the other cheek". King certainly did not turn the other cheek: one does not have to have been in the military to recognise that fact. It's pretty clear from how this argument has progressed that my folks did a pretty good job, I would say. For any of you to say that I have no right to speak upon the proper decorum (someone bolded that as a "big word": that's the term the military actually uses, or has used extensively in the past, to describe the standard of behaviour required of members of the military) that is to be shown by members of the military, and Academy cadets in general, is to suggest that my family failed in my upbringing. Life is not a dick-waving contest, and juvenile pushing back or face punching is exactly the sort of violent reactivity that gives the military a totally undeserved reputation as take-no-names, thuggish blockheads who only know how to solve problems with violence. It doesn't take an active or esrtwhile member of the military to understand that fact. Attack me all you want, but I think I've demonstrated well enough that my father did well enough when he "told me what it means to be a man": leave my upbringing out of your ad hominem. It's CLASSLESS. Also, I'm at Stern. We have plenty of conservatives at Stern. It's a BUSINESS SCHOOL, for heaven's sake. Yes, I'm probably a little more socially libertarian than some of you heartlanders: I don't care about gays getting "married", for example. But, as an example to the converse, I am vehemently anti-abortion. Excuse me for not blindly throwing my full-on support behind a frivolous, self-serving lawsuit filed by a misbehaving member of our military in a desperate attempt to excuse his clearly irresponsible behavior. Or maybe my crime is that I'm a conservative in a Blue State. If only I were loyal enough to try to move away from the northeast so that there would be no republican-voting presence up here whatsoever. Way to unify the party, guys. You really ARE the red version of KosKidz.

187 @186: Actually, I use English spellings because I grew up in Hong Kong. Is being a Chinese mutt going to be something else you all attack me for now, too? Par for the course.

188 OK, nyu con , how exactly did the cadet misbehave ?
You can use big words in you explanation if you like .  I'll try to follow along .

189 your

190 30 second synopsis:

The cadet is quite possibly tipsy or inebriated. He may have been acting obnoxious, however, given the subsequent actions of LaBelle's goons, he may have been treated like a peasant while inside the terminal and may have had justification for refusing to not give the group some grief. Unknown. As to the incident, he was clearly assaulted.

The issue of his suspension depends upon heavily upon his prior record at the academy, but I am looking askance for the moment. A debrief  look into who made what call for suspension can be made later. As for Ms. LaBelle, the goons must repeat must be arrested for assault. If cops posed for photos at the scene they should receive a letter of reprimand and their testimony regarding this matter be considered tainted.

Oh, and Pattie LaBelle has already had her day, is basically reached the washed up stage (no matter what her royalties may be), and will not be widely known 50 years from now. That means the goons must be arrested--or else we will reach a point where anyone who tickles the fancy of a cop will get a free pass. Overall, if this is what passes for police work in Houston, then perhaps the center of manned spaceflight effort needs to go back to Langley--so that good people don't get treated poorly on travel while engaged in the nation's interest.

191 "As a result of the assault, King has been temporarily suspended from West Point for a year and will be forced to serve active duty as an enlisted man."

Sick, sick, sick. And not in a good way.

192 Can you feel it? that is the cool fresh breeze of a viral shit storm blowing in on the Army brass. They don't want it cause they are used to operating without attention and honor paid to the service.It starts and it stinks, HA! Perry should commision him and give him a full ride to A&M . Get jcs up to the hill and the poli-correct ass that is super @ WP and grill it like a brat!

193 Re my previous----Add salt and grammar to taste....

194 Ctrl+F "NYUCon". I've put about five or six posts on this comment thread, and I've already explained it to the full extend that I can. Anyway, I'm a bit confused as to how you could have missed the explanation, considering that you read that last post. I guess it pretty well distilled my viewpoint; I'll repeat the key parts here, with no disrespect intended to Ace for the double-posting. I was taught to respect authority, to avoid confrontation, and to conduct myself so as to be "the bigger man", no matter how much disrespect I have to suffer. I believe that's a Biblical injunction, as well: "turn the other cheek". King certainly did not turn the other cheek: one does not have to have been in the military to recognise that fact. Life is not a dick-waving contest, and juvenile pushing back or face punching is exactly the sort of violent reactivity that gives the military a totally undeserved reputation as take-no-names, thuggish blockheads who only know how to solve problems with violence. It doesn't take an active or esrtwhile member of the military to understand that fact. That's the gist of my opinion...and apparently West Point's...but if you will search for my other posts in this comment thread, you'll probably be able to flesh out my position even better. Anyway, I'm pretty much done with this "conversation", if it can even be called that. Even someone who's been taught to turn the other cheek gets tired of being slapped with "cocksucker" by people with nothing substantive to say. Hell, I guess the "true" type of conservative is the one who thinks Jesus would rather solve problems by, say, killing bodyguards for daring to try to move Him away from someone's luggage in what appears to be a not particularly forceful action. Learn somethin new every day.

195 Has everyone else noticed all of the videos coming out about obnoxious behavior by our african american fellow citizens?  There seems to be a get out of jail free card since BHO was elected.

196

From the video, and at this point this is ALL the evidence anyone on the thread can firmly say exists, he appears within his rights. He was on a phone, physically shoved by one of the bodyguards, and then attached when he pushed the man away from him. Anything else can't really be taken into account. As a USNA grad, the service academies are often too quick to blame the cadet/midshipman to avoid an appearance of not doing enough.  People in the military are just people. You have good/bad, intelligent/stupid, ect... From the video, it looks like West Point acted rashly, but I would be interested in the police report.  Also, being sent to the Army as enlisted is not the default punishment. Normally, he would have been administratively punished and allowed to remain, or kicked out. I only personal know of one other person to have been in a similar situation, and he had a pretty long record of questionable conduct. All that being said, I don't know how much differently I would have expected ANYONE (high standard or not) to act in a similar situation as presented in the video (without much context or sound).

197 Unfortunately, when I was a West Point cadet who had his cab driver of unknown youthful extraction attack him with a tire iron after I had actually changed said cab driver's tire for him, since he didn't know how to, I still got punished for returning from leave late.

If there are any morons who happen to be Fort Lee cops circa 1988, thanks for trying to help.

198 NYUcon, mate, gonna give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're brand new here and not a moby/troll.  What I see as your problems are several fold:

1. The video I watched to my eyes, and it seems many share my analysis, showed the thug guy chest bumping the cadet (a form of assault) to which the cadet responded by backing up while pushing back, then he gets roflstomped by 2 more thugs.  You immediately go off on proper behavior for West Pointers and how the kid committed assault.
2. You start quickly with your pedigree when called out.  If you'd been around a while, you'd know we get spammed every time there's a Dem campaign or pet cause of the moment with "I'm a concerned Christian Conservative...", or other assumed conservative group, followed by the lib talking points.  I honestly almost stopped reading anything you had to say after your three generations of military line.  It read as either moby or military lineage dick comparison (and if you really want to go down that route, I've probably got everyone else here beat, as with mom's research into the family we can trace unbroken service to this country since its founding, and almost unbroken service to earlier countries of origin since the late Roman Empire).
3. Assuming slamming Eurospelling is an indicator of racism.  Another thing we got quite a bit in the past was libs using eurospeak-n-spell to try to make themselves feel more intelligent.  Often they were using the words wrong.
4. You asked why Ace and cobloggers aren't modding the hell out of this place.  They only really step in in the cases of extreme sexism and racism.  They're not fascists like Markos and Chuckles.
5. You're bemoaning a group of conservative and libertarian commenters not being lockstep with what you think Conservativism is.  This is another thing the liberal plants tended to do in the past as well.  The cobloggers alone range from libertarian Athiest to gay Conservative.  The commenters are more diverse.  Get used to it, it will serve you well in the real world to be able to interact with a variety of people and not make assumptions based on a super-broad label.

If you're not just a noob with his panties in a twist, and are actually a moby: sod off, you tosser.

199 Jeezus nyucon , could you be any more milquetoast ?
Turn the other cheek ? WTF ? You think we train divinity students on the Hudson ?

Read some fuckin' Kipling .
"Single men in barracks " ring a bell ?

200 So where did anyone say to kill anyone? Seems to me junior that you need to learn to read and comprehend a lot better (whatever public school you attended in HK did not teach you logic and that is a surprise). I guess corrupt stupid cops and bodyguards who act outside the law are ok in your world?

201 202:

Don't let the Exit door hit you where the ugly stick did, ya fuckin moby douchenozzle.

NYU would be a thousand times more useful as a landfill

202 Boy, if your ever in Houston, you better do right.

203 194 @186: Actually, I use English spellings because I grew up in Hong Kong. Is being a Chinese mutt going to be something else you all attack me for now, too?

Par for the course.

Posted by: NYUCon at June 05, 2011 09:49 PM (BGObg)

No, you're being attacked for being a pretentious douchebag.  THAT is "par for the course".

204 I sucked up several "conduct unbecoming ..." pulls, generally deserved. A military school is going burn him on the basis of a police report of alcohol and fighting. He has to lawyer up and get the police report redacted. I hope the alums in Texas have pointed him towards a politically ambitious attack dog lawyer. As long as that report stands he is toast. He may get a second look due to the video, and get an adminstrative hold put on his punishment while it plays out. Kinda disappointed in the Point, thought - Kid should have been able to at least disable one of those goons.

205

NYUCon at June 05, 2011 10:10 PM (BGObg)

Well, if you weren't being satirical, I'll just say that...I don't think I agree with the premise of your arguement.

Best wishes.

206

NYUCon - what you seem to be unable or unwilling to grasp is that the bodyguards had no justification for using any level of force. "Physically directing" in a "not particularly forceful manner" is like being a little bit pregnant. The weasel words don't change the fact that they used force against King, when they had no right to use any force whatsoever. When they did so they committed a criminal act, and even West Point cadets are allowed to defend themselves from unlawful assaults (or at least they should be).

I would also hope that a future military leader would have the backbone to stand up to thuggish behavior rather than slink away with his tail between his legs. I would be more concerned about his military bearing if he allowed such behavior a pass because it would be easier than standing up to it.

207 vid clearly shows red-shirt initiate and make solid contact with yellow shirt. yellow shirt responds in kind. red-shirt and goon #2 respond WAY more than in kind with yellow shirt taking a VERY unfortunate tumble into concrete [with goon #3 right there just in case, i dunno, yellow shirt pulls a weapon i guess] no winners here, but red shirt and supporting goons are WAY more losers here than that unfortunate cadet ...

208 Hell, I guess the "true" type of conservative is the one who thinks Jesus would rather solve problems by, say, killing bodyguards for daring to try to move Him away from someone's luggage in what appears to be a not particularly forceful action.

That's your opinion.  I asked you upthread @90 to look at the video and picture your wife, daughter, or sister in the cadet's shoes while getting chest-bumped and intimidated by a couple of big guys.  Did you do that?  Does your opinion change? 

209 Leave NYUCon alone!!! eleventy!11!!!

210 @206 Jumping out of the shower to another unfortunate mischaracterisation of my positions. As it seems to be respectful enough (outside of the numerous unfair mischaracterisations), I suppose it deserves response. I'll be out after this one, though. 1) Don't put words in my mouth. I've quoted the police report and I've been careful to state that my argument is according my perception. You and your colleagues, however, use purely declarative language as though speaking facts...and I've further noticed you are all quick to accept King's version of events while jettisoning the police report. Case in point: if the video shows a "chest bump", then the bodyguard (who is likely a north-of-6'-200lbs gym rat) is a pretty ineffectual bodyguard; King barely moves. It is more likely that the bodyguard just put his hands on King to try to direct him away from the luggage. Note, again, that by all accounts except King's own, he had already been asked to move of his own accord. When King retaliates, whether by pushing, as it appears to me, or by a punch to the face, according to witnesses, he clearly causes the bodyguard to move. I just have EXTREME difficultly believing that a professional bodyguard's "chest bump" (which is a version of events that has been apparently invented here in King's attempted defence) would barely even cause King to move. It was a pretty lenient application of physical force on the bodyguard's part, initially, and it does not appear to constitute assault. The reaction was unquestionably assault. I am not saying that the bodyguards should not be prosecuted for what happened after the initial assault; as I've said many times, the excessive beatdown was way out of line. However, getting beat up for assaulting a bodyguard doesn't excuse the assault in the first place. Also, I did not "immediately go off" on West Point behavioral standards. A question was asked what reason West Point would have had to suspend him; you would accuse me of being out of line for answering the question according to my understanding of military standards (an understanding which has been corroborated by others who have posted since). If it's really in poor form to answer questions in a manner that doesn't adhere to the general consensus, then again I charge: red version of KosKidz. Please understand that I really don't appreciate people putting words in my mouth, even if they do it without using "cocksucker". 2. I didn't start quickly with my "pedigree" when "called out". I brought my "pedigree" into the conversation because I'm extremely proud of the service that my forebears have given to this country, and I don't appreciate thuggish fratboys like King denigrating that service with their overjuiced dick waving. Also, I ALMOST started laughing when I read this absolute non sequitur...but then I realised you were actually serious: It read as either moby or military lineage dick comparison (and if you really want to go down that route, I've probably got everyone else here beat, as with mom's research into the family we can trace unbroken service to this country since its founding, and almost unbroken service to earlier countries of origin since the late Roman Empire). ...Congratulations on being completely oblivious of your own insufferable irony. I respect your family's military service, and you have every right to be extremely proud of its generations of selflessness servitude. That you have apparently had the courage to continue your family's service (implied by "unbroken") where I have not indicates that you have a certain constitutional fortitude that I can only WISH I had. I have no problem with you expressing pride in your family's military heritage. That being said, you're also being a serious hypocrite. "Military lineage dick comparison" indeed. 3. Racism has nothing to do with it. Asians have it great in this country, and I'm almost just as white as I am Asian; it would be ridiculous for me to claim racism on the basis of Asian ancestry. That being said, I've been attacked for my vocabulary, for being in New York, for supposedly falsely claiming conservatism, and so forth: I'm WELL within my logical rights to assume that growing up in Hong Kong would simply be another point for ad hominem attacks on my personage and personality. 4. You must not read comments at Kos. They're pretty much along the lines of the comments here with the blatant unnecessary, profanity-laden personal attacks. Regardless of what live-and-let-live libertarianism Ace subscribes to, comments like "fuck you stupid cocksucker" make his blog look bad. Like I said previously, they don't bother ME in the slightest; I'm a big boy, and honestly, seeing the obvious inability on the vast majority of the other commenters' parts to disagree with my position in even a remotely intelligent fashion only serves to confirm, at least in my mind, the rectitude of my opinions. I'm more worried about the sort of image that is given off by totally unsubstantive, profanity-laden responses to well-articulated alternate opinions. It really does remind of Kos: as conservatives, we're supposed to be on the side of the spectrum that fosters open debate, right? Apparently, there is no open debate going on nor alternate opinions allowed in the AoS comment threads...even with AoS being, in my opinion, one of the smartest conservative blogs on the internet with any readership to speak of. I know that if I were just a visitor and I saw a shitshow comment thread like this one in its early stages, I'd be REALLY turned off. So it's not that I'm asking for a white knight to come and protect me, I just think the extremely hateful and unintelligent pushback against a different opinion makes the site look really bad. 5. ...What? You missed the boat on that irony thing, again. To wit: I'm DEFINITELY not the side of this "argument" that has obvious problems with demanding lockstep conservatism. I said that I'm probably more socially libertarian than heartlanders. It wasn't me, for example, saying that no one from Manhattan can be conservative. To address your condescension (you guys just REALLY aren't proud of yourself unless you throw in some personal attacks on the internet), I'm entirely confident in the fact that the respectful and articulate style of discussion that I've employed throughout this thread would serve MUCH better in the real world than would the "diverse" (by which I assume you mean the valuable ability to change up "fucker" to "cocksucker") styles of interaction of most of the commenters in this thread. Aside from putting words in my mouth (and those last-minute potshots you just couldn't help but take) I appreciate your quasi-respectful reply...but you're defending the wrong crowd, buddy.

211 "Case in point: ****if**** the video shows a "chest bump" DUDE -- did u even LOOK at the video? red shirt strikes the cadet. the cadet then responds. if you'd at least accept that FACT u MIGHT get a lil' more slack cut ... /i'm jus' sayin' ...

212 218: TL;DR

213 awkward davies, love your username.  RIP, Patrick O'Brian.

214
Runnin' hot, runnin' cold
I was runnin' into overload, it was extreme
I took it so high, so low
So low, there was nowhere to go like a bad dream

Somehow the wires uncrossed, my tables were turned
Never knew I had such a lesson to learn

I'm feelin' good from my head to my shoes
Know where I'm goin' and I know what to do
I tied it up my point of view
I got a new attitude!

I'm in control, my worries are few
'Cause I've got love like I never knew
Ooo, ooo, ooo, ooo, ooo
I got a new attitude!

I'm wearing a new dress, new hair
Brand new ideas, as a matter of fact I've changed for good
It must have been the cool night, new moon, slight change
More than to figure oh but I feel like I should, yes

Somehow the wires uncrossed, my tables were turned
Never knew I had such a lesson to learn

I'm feelin' good from my head to my shoes
Know where I'm goin' and I know what to do
I tied it up my point of view
I got a new attitude

I'm in control, my worries are few
'Cause I've got love like I never knew
Ooo, ooo, ooo, ooo, ooo
I got a new attitude

215 Too bad they didn't beat up a SEAL, now that would have been entertainment.

216 Oops, cutoff my message too short. Entertainment in that the SEAL would be walking away and those thugs be on the ground bleeding.

217 @Y-not Sorry, I missed it.  You'll have to understand that I'm pretty much the only one expressing my opinion in response to a wall of utter criticism, so it's tough to notice every question that was asked of me.  You've been respectful of me, though, so I don't want to give the impression that I'm ignoring you. My child would have had the respect to have stepped ten steps away when asked the first time, no matter how ridiculous and diva-esque the underlying reasoning. If he had decided to be a little brat and stand firm just to prove he wasn't beholden to any celebrity's whim, then being twenty years old, he's got exposure to his consequences. Again, what happened AFTER the pushback from King was completely uncalled for, and as I've said before, the bodyguard thugs ought to be prosecuted for the beatdown.  The problem is that the police record has King as having punched the guy in the face: it'll be tough, unless he can find multiple witnesses who will say that he only pushed back, to get much sympathy for him in court. Anyway,I only posted this because I saw your question when making my last post.  As it's a serious pain in the ass to make posts on an iPhone, this really will be my last comment.  Just wanted to respond to you since, again, you've been respectful and coherent...which SHOULD be the standard, but it sadly sets you as a cut above!

218 "it'll be tough, unless he can find multiple witnesses who will say that he only pushed back, to get much sympathy for him in court." OR ... ... HE COULD SHOW THE VIDEO. /jeebus -- truly the most blind are those who refuse to see ...

219

NYUCon,

You said:

"It seems pretty clear from the footage that King committed the first act of assault."

It seems pretty clear that you either a) didn't watch the footage, or b) haven't the first clue as to the meaning of the term "assault".  You then proceed to condescend toward a community of readers you apparenly haven't the first fucking clue about in around 5000 words. 

Allow me to advise you: this is a community that doesn't suffer fools (even its own) gladly, and you walked in here and stepped on your dick right off the bat.

If you're going to make a shitty argument, do it with less pedigree bullshit (you should be embarrassed when you take the time to learn the background of many of the commenters here) and work on being concise.  It'll save you some typing time and us some scrolling time.

220 Why isn't there a criminal case against Patti LaBelle and the thugs?  HPD is a disgrace.

221 Oh, come off it. Ignore the dipshit troll who INSTANTLY accepts the ENTIRE word of ONLY the felons in the picture as to what happened.

It's PURE shit-stirring, by someone who obviously did not get enough attention from daddy.

For some reason "brutality" threads, especially if police are involved (in this case peripherally), attract people that love nothing more than to stir up shit.

Let them play in their own.

222

Good fucking lord.  Now you're pulling the deer-in-the-headlights/holier-than-thou act after acting like a complete dick in your first at-bat.

Do you need your childish opening post broken down line by line, point by point to illustrate your adversarial attitude?

You'll get respect when you give it,  a s s h o l e.

223

Please understand that I really don't appreciate people putting words in my mouth, even if they do it without using "cocksucker".

I don't appreciate thuggish fratboys like King denigrating that service with their overjuiced dick waving.

OK, if we stop calling you a cocksucker, will you agree to not call King a dick waver?

 

224 NYUCon, may I recommend lurking here before posting and/or making expectations on the level of commentary? Yes, there is profanity. Yes, you will get every bit as much as you give out with regards to condescension, douchebaggery, "concern christian", etc, etc, etc. So, lurk a bit, prepare yourself, or leave. Don't come back in with the attitude.

225 Patti Labelle's still around? She was just a B-list singer with one hit back in the 70s.

226 NYUCon,

I think you need to watch the video again.  Your impression is far different from mine.  Obviously, without audio and full frame video, it is hard to know the entirety of what transpired.  But just as you have decried everyone here rushing to the cadet's defense, you immediately rushed to the presumption of his guilt.  Just because three paid thugs - and that is what they are - testified towards his actions/words/demeanor, that does not make any of their testimony true.  So perhaps you need to show some of the same restraint you claim to ask of the rest of us.

Or, you could just keep being a contrarian douchebag and spend countless paragraphs defending your original, and poorly considered argument, while calling everyone who disagrees with you exclusionist reactionaries who demand ideological purity.  If you knew anything about this site, you would know that to be far from the truth.

In essence, you are guilty of exactly what you accuse the others here of doing.

227

NYUCon, I'd just like to say...yes, you are a pretentious, self-righteous, bloviating, obnoxious, cockknozzle.

I could go on, but why bother.   You are a child who is so full of yourself you're floating in shit.   There are many people on this blog that could run circles around your education (of which you haven't even finished), and who can trace their military family members for many, many generations.

So, just so you know, you ain't all that.

228 Ha ha. Just read the linked newspaper article for the first time - obviously dumbass LaBelle thugs had no idea a video was in existence when they told their lies to the police: "According to HPD, they went to the scene after reports of an assault. Officers were told that the limo driver went into Terminal C to pick up some luggage, and when he came out, he noticed a man standing by the limo, apparently harassing the occupants. The limo driver said the man may have been intoxicated. "I had some drinks on the plane, but I mean, I wasnÂ’t anywhere near intoxicated or anything along those lines," King told KHOU 11 News. At some point, the limo driver told police King swung at him, punching him in the face. When the limo driver pushed back, he said the man fell and hit his head on the curb. According to the police report, when officers tried to question King, he said he didnÂ’t know what happened and didnÂ’t remember anything." Uh...that would be because he'd just suffered a terrible head injury, courtesy of Patti LaBelle.

229 My Prediction:

AG Holder will be bringing up Hate Crimes charges.

Against King.

For hurling a racial slur against the brothers.

Therefore the brothers had no choice but to beat the yogurt out of the cracker.

230 @218
"As it seems to be respectful enough (outside of the numerous unfair mischaracterisations), I suppose it deserves response. I'll be out after this one, though."

Seems that you cannot even stick to your own words. Strange that, huh?

231 There is an area cut off at the bottom of the screen due to the camera range, but the cadet's head seems to be visible in nearly every shot, which evidently is every second or so.  Unless something in the unseen area contradicts it, the evidence clearly indicates assault by the bodyguards. 

A "chest bump" which bounces a guy away is every bit as much assault under the law as a punch.  King's "retaliatory push" can be seen as a self-defense reaction.  He is not threatening anyone when the cowards gang up on him.

The police conduct may be explained by the celebrity and lack of opposing eyewitnesses at the scene.  The photos should change their minds.  If not, the problem is with HPD, not the cadet.

232 Clearly, it was the victim's fault. (Has Houston gone so far toward 3rd-world squalor that perpetrators of vicious assaults are not charged? Their DA looks a little like Janet Reno. I'm just sayin'.) Let's just call it 'affirmative action', shall we?

233 NYUcon,  I was just trying to point out why people were going off on you like you were a troll. 

Basing your evaluation on the police report:  I've found, in my dealings with the police, that such things tend to be inaccurate as hell.  It's usually because they don't want to fill out huge longforms all day long.  In this case, given the video evidence, I'm don't feel like I'm going out on a limb here saying it was because they were celeb struck.  Other articles on the subject have mentions that witnesses said they tried to give their view for the reports and were ignored because the cops were too busy posing with the lady over the kids blood (which you see in the vid).

And irony what?  It's called trollbait, dipshit.  While what I said was true, it came out slowly over time here and the older regs already knew it, as I've been posting since Ace migrated to pixy's server and started killing hobos and accidentally posting Thai Tranny porn.  It was a way to gauge if you were a troll or actually listening to the metacontent of what I had to say.  Verdict is troll.

234

Like @238 above, as soon as this video starts getting wide play, I predict the "racial slur" defense will kick in for those fine young men employed by Ms. LaBelle.

Race card in 3... 2... 1...

235 #236 Gem One of the oddest aspects of this case is that apparently neither the thug bodyguards nor the idiot celebrity-crotch-sniffing cops had any notion that there might be video footage of this event. Seriously? At a freakin' AIRPORT in the post-9/11 era, they didn't realize there would be video cameras? Lots of people still don't seem to have gotten it through their heads: you are ALWAYS under surveillance these days. Any time you are in public in an urban area, there is an excellent chance that you are under some type of electronic surveillance. This is especially true, obviously, at a freakin' AIRPORT. Whether this is a good thing for society and for our long-term civil rights is an argument for another occasion, but it's almost certainly a good thing for this cadet. He should own Washed-Up Has-Been's house and that swanky stretch limo of hers, and those bodyguards should be in jail, not just for assault, but for filing a false police report as well.

236 This is my real name. I am a retired lawyer and administrative law judge.. Based on the video, the bodyguard's "chest bump" constituted assault under the law. The cadet's push off was a defensive reaction. The difference between the video and the police report of the incident makes the "testimony" in the police report invalid. If West Point suspened the cadet based upon the police report, the video should cause them to reverse their decision. 

237 NYUCon, the terms you try to use the act of being shoved are hilarious.  Do you really believe what you are saying?  King remembers nothing of the encounter.  Most of the description of what hapend come from one of two airport security guards who witnessed the scene.  One guard tried to help King while the other stood in front of the limo to prevent it from leaving.  It is that later security guard who is King's main witness.

238 Okay, a couple of things here.  One, I know a thing or two about West Point and this suspension from WP for this guy sounds odd.  If he is being sent home for medical reasons for a year then he would not have to serve as an enlisted soldier and not have to reapply.  However, if he got kicked out permanently over this, then obviously WP found something in his actions that we may or may not have seen on the video that warranted removal.  The WP brass doesn't kick people out for no reason as these people are very expensive investments.  However, you will get kicked out very quickly if you do something that warrants your removal.  I had friends at school that got in fights all over the world and they never got kicked out for that.  Something about this whole thing just smells off and I'm not entirely sure he was in the clear if he was separated for this incident.  It may have been his third alcohol related incident or something along those lines, who knows?

239 And then the HPD poses with her. The more you learn about the Houston establishment, the more you get scared. She needs to be charged with conspiracy to commit bodily harm and the police who posed with her, fired.

240 who is patti labele?

241 RESPONDING to  # 66 It is Immediately normal procedure if any cadet has anything whatsoever negative no matter what they automatically are suspended !! SO nice going thugs next time tell Patti Labelle to use a private plane in a private airport so all of us normal people don't have to be subjected to her BULLSHIT of thinking she is a FUC"N QUEEN !! I hope this cadet sues her for everything he can as she just ruined his career what a fat BITCH ! Oh and your body guards are a bunch of thugs who are obviously RACISTS just as Patti Labelle is herself .. Then she has the nerve to stand there with police to have  F 'n photo session what a poor excuse for a HUMAN BEING ! Go crawl under some rock or I should say GIANT BOULDER so much for respect like who gives a SHIT about your GDamn luggage or you for that matter !! Your like and old used dirty dish rag... Hope you and your GOONS get exactly what you deserve "YOU RACISTS !!

242 Furthermore if he had a couple of drinks on the plane he's entitled just like anyone else ! If that is the reason he got booted then this is really unfortunate because the bodyguards provoked him and beat him up per LABELLE'S ORDER which is still SO WRONG !! I bet they must be REAL MEN huh ?? Yeah right oh yeah those types could never get into WEST POINT never mind have a real career because all they know is VIOLENCE !! All they're BULLY'S and THUGS !!

243 #36
Do you work for Patty?

244 Those security guards were on that guy faster than Patti Labelle on a meatloaf!

245 The city of Houston and its citizens should be absolutely appalled over this.  I am aghast that this incident, clearly captured on videotape, also featured several Houston police officers in uniform posing with these thugs after the fact in clear view of a puddle of blood where King had been assaulted.   What occurred in Houston is a disgrace. Our society has devalued the average man - even more so the average man who wishes to serve his country in combat - and puts on a pedestal with special privileges those with media recognition. No wonder our young people wish to become reality stars rather than pursuing earnest careers in the military, medicine or science.  As for LaBelle, she is a vulgar, aging diva who needs to pay out the ying yang for encouraging her dogs to "Get him!"

246 Just another incident of the privileged thinking they are better than those around them and above the law. The cops should have arrested the thugs after seeing the security video. King should be reinstated at West Point. I have zero respect for Patti. Standing too close to per precious luggage?, are you freaking kidding me?  This one is going to cost her. If I were a juror, it would be in the millions and the a-hole bodyguards should be incarcerated for the beat down.

247

After LaBelle’s goons beat this kid unconscious, she posed for pictures with some fans—one of whom happened to be a police officer on the scene—right by the pool of the guy’s blood.

As for West Point: The decision to kick that young man out of the academy is totally dicked up.  Would it have been any different if he were mugged by a non-celebrity?  The leadership needs to get a clue.  I hope King contacts his Senator/Congressman and gets some justice out of this, reinstatement at the least.  If the victim were black and the assailants white, you know goddamned well Al Sharpton and the NAACP would be all over it like stink on shit, screaming “RACISM!”