The best of the bunch so far.

Sob stories don't make Perry's position right, but this does tend to demonstrate that Perry might have been motivated by more than that sweet, sweet $22,000 in Merck retardation money.

I think the thing with that "sob story" is that Perry can't be the one to use it.  Maybe he wouldn't feel right personally talking about it.  Others can, but I mean if you are going there to sit at her deathbed with zero fanfare and then use it during a debate in an effort to score a political point that can come back to bite you in a big way.

And ace aren't you sort of contradicting yourself a bit?  You want Perry to come out swinging and knock them down, but before the first debate you were talking about him needing to be careful how he presents himself.

But.... but.... INNOCENT GIRLS!!!!

Sweet, sweet Merck retardation money? I live in Texas and my IQ is, um, questionable. Where's my damn money?!

Posted by: Michelangelo at September 15, 2011 04:44 PM (tksOu)

Do not mock ace with the She-Vixen of the North!

Although Perry is making a case for himself as a car that's okay, and will get you where you want to go, he's not doing the real job of making would-be buyers think, "Man, why would even look at another car?"

Very meh, okay. Not closing the sale.

---

I don't know what you or others are expecting from these debates.  Your attitude has me a little floored, actually. 

To me Perry's record is so vastly superior to the other candidates, it's not even close.  Adding on top of that his straight shooting style and I am quite happy with him.  Really, something quite bad would have to happen in a debate for him to move below the others.  Instead what I'm reading about are some misses by him and misses by the others. 

Put it another way, I can't think of a single thing Romney could say in a debate that would erase his position on Masscare and ethanol.  And nothing he did in a debate would change the fact that his resume is dusty.

"Best of what we've got" is fine by me this go 'round. The MSM is throwing everything they've got at him right now, hoping we'll do something dumb like nominating Romney.  At which point they'll utterly destroy him.  By the time Perry gets the nom, any potential skeletons will have been long exhumed, autopsied and reburied.  He'll destroy Obama in the general, and the House will keep him in line.

Cevical cancer is not a happy disease.  And it can affect women of all ages.  That fact has seemed to have gone missing in this whole controversy. 

BUT.  Just like Rush has said several times.  The Guardisil subject is a diversion to keep the repub candidates from focusing on the SCOAMF.

If his opponenets bring it up, especially in the general, it will be to question whether Perry gave her the HPV in the first place.

They'll be just askin' the question, man.

Posted by: grognard at September 15, 2011 04:49 PM (NS2Mo)

Well she may be no whore, she only had evil premarital sex. But obviously God punished her nonetheless, dont you think?

Bachmann was wrong to question Perry on the miniscule campaign contribution that he received from Merck (his reply to her sucked too).  But Perry was simply wrong to mandate it.  Santorum actually had the right response to Perry.  I'm not sure I totally believe Perry when he says he was wrong to issue the EO but that's my issue to deal with.

Much more worrisome is his overall poor debate performance, especially his TX Dream Act support.  I don't like it, but if he would properly elaborate on the process and why he signed, then I get it.  But don't stand up there and call me a racist Mr Sound of your last name and throw out poor strawman examples (higher ed vs gov't dole your whole life).

It's his for the taking but he needs to improve a lot.

Posted by: Michelangelo at September 15, 2011 04:44 PM (tksOu)

Do not mock ace with the She-Vixen of the North!

I'm pretty sure Ace is anti-vagina. But I could be wrong.

Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp barbarian, tea party terrorist and Perry supporter

This. People need to calm down and stop overreacting at what is obviously a very beneficial medical option. And they need to interact positively. Both have done wonders for me.

Let's put this Gardasil thing in some perspective. The sin here isn't his overreach--that's common enough. It's that overreach seems so far from what he's selling in the first place, which is government out of our business.

The Gardasil incident is one reason among not too many that make me suspect Perry is only selling what he knows we're buying, and has no real principled position on government overreach. I could be persuaded otherwise, and want to be.

This election cycle is like Karate Kid 3. Whoever wins this side of the bracket takes on the defending champion, and that person had better sweep the knee.

Perry may be a used Yugo.

i'd fully agree with this ace, i'm a perry guy and have gone at it w/ the Romneybots, Palinistas, and Bachmann fanatics. I've ignored the dumb comments by some fellow Perry fanboys and such to protect my guy. perry's not my perfect candidate, but my perfect candidate is unelectable today anyways. I feel perry is the most conservative/liberterian guy who is electable out of the crop w/ Romney as my #2.

Perry is missing out on a chance to deliver the knockout blow. Good news is polls now say he leads in FL (still -3 to Romney in the RCP average) and he's leading in states like Nevada while performing real well in moderate GOP states (in primaries, def not general) like CA.

That said, if Perry doesn't go for the kncout soon he might be joining Guliani and Rockfeller in modern GOP primary History as frontrunners who screwed it up for themselves.

Holy shiite camel beauty contest judge!  Not this crap again!

The Gardasil incident is one reason among not too many that make me suspect Perry is only selling what he knows we're buying, and has no real principled position on government overreach. I could be persuaded otherwise, and want to be.

Posted by: spongeworthy at September 15, 2011 04:55 PM (rplL3)

He's been governor for 10 years.  Are there other overreaches?  If not, 1 incident in 10 years does not mean he 'has no real principled position on overreach'.  That's more than a stretch.

Ace - Perry does a lot better at giving a speech and at a rally.  Not surprising, a lot of politicians are better at that, and are weak at the debate game.  We could expect Ryan to dazzle us at a debate (like Gingrinch), but it is hard to see them give a great stump speech.  So what is more important in the long run?  You kind of need to do both, and it would be great if you could perform in both areas, but few politicians are so gifted.  If I recall Bush was not a great debater, but neither was his competition (particularly Gore). So by sticking to his basic talking points he came off very well (though my perception may be solely shaped by SNL).  

Anyway, do you think there is a strategy in his debate performance - to try to appear measured in his response?  Do you think he just has trouble making cogent arguments on his feet?  Could he simply be overcoached?  Or is he just still a little uncomfortable?  I would guess a little of all the above. 

I think it is entirely possible that there are more stories like this that could be told about Perry. Sure the guy's a politician, but he apparently has a good heart. Probably couldn't hurt any if some of these stories made into the media, or at least the blogosphere - as long as they come from other sources besides the Governor.  

Now, if he could just shore up his immigration policy . . .

I also think at some point the Republican candidates who are trailing need to recognize they are not helping their constituents one iota by piling on the front runners.

That's a good point, Tami.

See? I can be persuaded.

"I haven't seen any of the other candidates owning up to mistakes, and saying apologizing-a real apology, not a "it's your fault if you didn't understand what I was saying " apology."

This sort of hits the nail on the head. Romney hasn't apologized for romneycare and its $4.5 billion in spending and 18,000 jobs killed. Or his support for ethanol subsidies, his anti Reagan comments, support for TARP, global cap and trade, raising taxes, etch. FreedomWorks.Org has a whole lis of stuff Romney should be asked about.

Looking for a knockout blow in September the year before the elections and months before any primaries is a bit silly.  Any major hits he lands probably won't make them drop out.  And hell if Bachman keeps this up, she might just knock herself out, and others could too.

Gingrich/Cain 2012

Posted by: Sub-Tard at September 15, 2011 05:01 PM (0M3AQ)

Rubio? You do realize that the same hit on Obama and Bachmann applies to him too, right? Namely, that he has only just entered the national stage and already he's going for the Presidency? I really don't think Rubio is at all ready for it.

But you know, for all the descriptions of Reagan as "The Great Communicator," let's be honest here: I cringed through his press conferences and debates.

I put Reagan in my top 10 of Presidents but I have to admit I find his dialect/accent a bit annoying, but to be fair i'm just 22 and wasn't alive when he was prez

" Long John Silver's "

You really think that is seafood they serve?

Posted by: Laughing in Texas at September 15, 2011 05:01 PM (dL9LY)

I can't do either and those retards voted for me anyway.  Michelle Backman is right- just say no to Gardisil.

He also would lose his home state handily.  The last person to win who did that was Nixon in '68.

Nixon won his home state of CA in all 3 of his Presidential elections (60,68, & 72), I believe your confused w/ the fact his VP was from maryland which went to Humphrey

I hope Perry polishes up his debate skills a little bit. Right now, Mitt is far better.

A few of Perry's moments have been downright cringeworthy. And that sucks because he's the guy I want.

Mitt would skull fuck Obama in a debate, but I just can't get by the guy's refusal to walk back the Massachusetts health care debacle and his demagoguing on social security.

The social security thing really pisses me off. If we are ever able to get this monkey off our back, now is the moment. Taking the position that social security is a wonderful example of good government that just needs a little calibration is harmful to the cause of smaller government.

Posted by: polynikes Texan for Romney at September 15, 2011 05:06 PM (efZ1v)

ok?....

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 15, 2011 04:55 PM (hIWe1)

I'm keeping you as my scale.  Whoever it is in the final primary vote that you want to win, I'll vote for the other guy.

68  spiker

i love rubio's...they have great fish tacos!

The irony here is that none of the big hits on Perry - Gardisil or immigration - can or will be used agianst him in the general.

The real negative is that he might not be able to hit SCOAMF about cronyism (based on unproven charges taken up by Bachmann and St. Sarah) but compared to Mitt's having the Romneycare albatross tying his pimp hand behind his back, no biggie. 

Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 15, 2011 04:53 PM (UOM4

I came to the same conclusion this morning.

I'm in the Perry camp. I know it's still early but the Republican field seems to have pretty much established itself.

I'll wait for the inevitable MFM smear campaigns and assorted surprises.

Nixon won his home state of CA in all 3 of his Presidential elections (60,68, & 72), I believe your confused w/ the fact his VP was from maryland which went to Humphrey

Posted by: AuthorLMendez (Perry Guy) at September 15, 2011 05:06 PM (yAor6)

Nixon was a resident of New York in '68, which he lost.

Mitt would skull fuck Obama in a debate, but I just can't get by the guy's refusal to walk back the Massachusetts health care debacle and his demagoguing on social security.

Posted by: Warden at September 15, 2011 05:07 PM (A4O7+)

All Obama has to do is say, "Romneycare" and Romney will dissolve in a fit of stuttering and equivocation.

It's 14 months til erection day....posted by Ms Choksondik

Very funny considering your handle

Stop it.

Do not go after Perry.

Stop eating your own.

Stop it.

Posted by: polynikes Texan for Romney at September 15, 2011 05:06 PM (efZ1v)

damn those socks

Moore hasn’t even decided whether he’ll vote for Obama again in 2012; he likes Jon Huntsman on the Republican side, saying “it’s crazy time over there” and Huntsman is the only “sane candidate.” “If the Republicans were smart, they would nominate [him].”

Posted by: soothsayer at September 15, 2011 05:13 PM (sqkOB)

Ah yes, PPP, the organization which was predicting a bloodbath in Nevada until last week.

This is why I really wanted a smart, mouthy, quick thinking guy like Christie or Ryan to join the fray. I am also irked that McCotter cant even get on the debate stage during these things. If you know him, his wit and ability to explain himself, plus deliver jabs is awesome. He would throwdown on all these candidates. But, it is what it is.

Posted by: soothsayer at September 15, 2011 05:09 PM (sqkOB)

tell me when it's a Ras poll or a PPP poll w/ the election just days away. The RCP avg has Obama +4 on Perry and tied w/ Romney.

Nixon was a resident of New York in '68, which he lost.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 15, 2011 05:09 PM (FkKjr)

Home state and whatstate he's resident of is very different. Nixon's home state was California, which he won. And Nixon did not lose New York in a landslide, he lost it by 5 points

I will vote for Rick Perry in the Florida Primary.

He continues to lead Florida in polls inspite of Romney's attempt to scare old people on Social Security.

The night and race is still very young, y'all. That said, I will vote for anyone vs SCOMF. I don't care about any of the hype against Gov. Perry. The Texans I know like him.

Perry has enough time to pull it together. Unless of course, the moderator asks him, "Were you aware that you were creating a Children of Men situation when you issued an executive order regarding Guardisil?"

It's interesting reading moki's experience (post #69). At the time, national press made it seem like every girl in Texas MUST take the vacinne or else. Currently, the opt-in, opt-out situation is just not being explained well and sounds like a horror plot while Perry comes across as squish. It doesn't matter what reality is, when someone is watching a soundbite debate.  Posters here take the time to get educated about the candidate and track record, but it's stating the obvious to say that most people don't.

@71, just this year -- extorting $500 million from Amazon on threats of instituting an internet sales tax and publicly touting the anti-TSA bill while actively working behind the scenes to scuttle it.

Posted by: soothsayer at September 15, 2011 05:13 PM (sqkOB)

have you posted Ras having both Perry and Romney over Obama? you know, the most accurate pollster

"is donald trump on speed dial at the GOP hq?"

He is looking at endorsing Perry.

What a shocker that Perry didn't make this a photo op.  He also didn't bring up her death and use it during the debate.

and insist that she wanted to be buried in a "Perry is da Bomb" t-shirt.

This was simply an incorrect "opt-out" solution.  There was no opt-out provision for Salt vaccine for polio when I was a 1st grader in 51-52. Just why is this different...Please explain.!

I'm a lot older and would have prefrerred an "opt-in" in Texas.

This debate is BS.  Does anyone have an opt-in or opt-out with Obamacare.  Yo pienso que no!

Wake up morons.

RiverRat

Stop it.

Do not go after Perry.

Stop eating your own.

Stop it.

Posted by: dagny at September 15, 2011 05:10 PM (TRf8/)

THIS!  Romney and Perry both, even Bachmann, would be exponentially better than the POS in the oval office now.

>>> Mitt would skull fuck Obama in a debate...

This is the thing that's hard for me to turn away from. I think Mitt would beat the living shit out of Toonces every which way. Perry I have no such confidence in, and not just in debates.

Of course, I was one who that Dubya'd be humiliated debating the lurching Gore, so more fool I.

Posted by: sandy burger at September 15, 2011 05:12 PM (XyoGP)

We live in a free society (at least we used to), so I don't look kindly on government when it tells me what to do. In fact I hate it. So if government tells me that I have to vaccinate my kids, there better be a really good reason for it. Preventing disease that can be prevented by behavior modification is exactly the kind of nanny-state bullshit that raises my blood pressure.

We have to accept the reality that a free society places its citizens at slightly greater risk in exchange for those freedoms. Case in point: Anti-terrorism measures that erode our civil rights are a huge issue. If this were a totalitarian nation, our government would simply impose those measures for our safety. Yes we would be safer, but less free.

ace,

Newt is a great debator, Obamma* is a great speach maker. Neither attribute necessarily makes for a good executive. Perry is a straight shooter, is willing to talk about entitlement reform, and has a good track record of real leadership. I'm in for Perry.

*Obamma is also a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: soothsayer at September 15, 2011 05:09 PM (sqkOB)

Yes, but Romney's been running more or less for the last 6 years and has about as high name ID as anyone. Perry still isn't as known outside the junkies like us.

 And CoolCzech is right, as he often is, about Ronald Reagan.  He was toe curling in things like press conferences (I honestly don't recall much about the debates). 

It was widely accepted Reagan lost the first debate to Mondale and appeared distracted at times. He came back.

It's 14 months til erection day....posted by Ms Choksondik

Please let me know the exact date of this event.  I haven't had any in awhile and it's beginning to get on my nerves.

OH LOOK! A conservative who is doing well in the polls! Let's shit on him! Oh, look! He's not doing as well. I wonder why??

Jeez.

He is looking at endorsing Perry.

Posted by: Dick Nixon at September 15, 2011 05:17 PM (kaOJx)

And perhaps vying for the VP slot?

It's 14 months til erection day....posted by Ms Choksondik

Very funny considering your handle

Posted by: Cheri at September 15, 2011 05:10 PM (G+Wff)

Ha, oops.  Someone has to display firm leadership skills, stimulate confidence in the economy and relieve the pressure building up in the flaccid electorate after living under the hard rule of a cocksure fucktard POTUS.  Perry seems to have a stiff spine and he wears black cowboy boots with suits.  I don't think my chacha would let me vote for anyone else.

Well, her "nuke" turned out to be an obvious dud, and now she looks like what her critics said of her all along... like a bit of a flake. So let's facr it: none of us want Newt, for obvious reasons. Ron Paul, it is safe to say, will not win. Cain demonstrated perfectly that, good intentions aside, some political and government experience DOES in fact matter. Hunstman is a man without a party. Santorum is simply not catching fire.

That leaves Perry vs. Romney.

Well, yeah I think Bachman is done too.  But she won't be dropping out soon, and possibly not until after Iowa or even South Carolina.  And I don't see any of the others dropping out, and none of them are up there with Romney and him.  So why should Perry worry about slamming the door shut on them?  And with Romney its going to be a marathon not a sprint.  Best bet is to let the others risk knocking themselves out, defend your record when they try to go up against you, and slowly increase the pressure on Romney.

Um...you say you don't know much about the debates and then criticize Reagan's verbal sparring? Really? First, this was the guy who stomped all over Carter with "there you go again." Second, this is also the guy who, when asked if he had any regrets by Sam Donaldson, said "Yes, I was a Democrat for awhile." That was at a press conference.

Alvin Greene could have stomped all over Carter during that election.

"And perhaps vying for the VP slot?"

Trump playing 2nd fiddle to anyone? Don't see it.

Posted by: joeindc44 at September 15, 2011 05:19 PM (QxSug)

Looks like the figure has an erection to me--the graphic not mooshelle.

I'm a lot older and would have prefrerred an "opt-in" in Texas.

Posted by: RiverRat at September 15, 2011 05:18 PM (LdwK7)

I heard somewhere the reason it was made mandatory is because insurance would cover mandatory vaccinations but not voluntary ones. Someone may need to check that. I'm too lazy.

I know the vaccine cost over $300, so it wasn't cheap.

Trump playing 2nd fiddle to anyone? Don't see it.

Posted by: Dick Nixon at September 15, 2011 05:22 PM (kaOJx)

I don't know or care about Trump so I'll defer to you.

At least he might be a major contributor?

Posted by: not neo just conservative at September 15, 2011 05:24 PM (01RS2)

He has made the point in both debates as well as admitting his mistake. I guess if he heaps ashes on his head and flogs himself maybe someone not retarded by gardasil might hear him.

Posted by: Sgt. York at September 15, 2011 05:20 PM (B6nJc)

HPV presents with men as genital warts.  And, yes, if left untreated, could progress to penial cancer.  That's some real ugly shit right there, I tells ya'.

Shh, you'll wake them up...

Honey, did you hear something?

@214

Takes a real man to throw that on a woman.

I think that a Trump endorsement for Perry would be a good thing.  Trump has no qualms about calling a spade a spade (I denounce myself)  Trump as an attack dog would be awesome to watch. 

"At least he might be a major contributor?"

I think that is why Perry supposedly met him, to lock up his support as Trump was rumored to be the money source for a third party candidate, the one who won't run in the GOP race do to having no spine.

At some point things will become so shitty EVERYONE will realize the economy is the most pressing problem. In that case Romney or Perry are obviously fit for the job. I just don't trust Romney not to grow govt. or try to kick the entitlement can down the road. But like someone upthread said, I'd vote for Mr. Hankey, the Christmas poo, before Obama.

Posted by: Waterhouse at September 15, 2011 05:00 PM (3p99J)

Yes, but it scans better that way.

Please let me know the exact date of this event. I haven't had any in awhile and it's beginning to get on my nerves.

236 I had that fight with my mother yesterday. She's all breathless because "they say" that more people are dying of diabetes et al from not getting enough exercise. I told her that more people may be dying from diabetes and heart disease because they are no longer dying of flu, mumps, rubella, hep A, measels, polio, smallpox, child birth, tB, wars in se asia, car accidents where air bags saved lives, infections, etc. Everybody dies. If we eliminate every fucking cause of death then everyone will still fucking die!

She got mad.

Posted by: Jean at September 15, 2011 05:27 PM (46qC3)

I am offically offering my services to hold it for him. 

I know the vaccine cost over $300, so it wasn't cheap.

She got mad.

Posted by: dagny at September 15, 2011 05:32 PM (TRf8/)

You should tell her to jog 5 km if she thinks exercise is so important. It will get her out of your hair for a while at least!

Posted by: lorien1973 at September 15, 2011 05:21 PM (usXZy)

Don't count on that.

At some point things will become so shitty EVERYONE will realize the economy is the most pressing problem. In that case Romney or Perry are obviously fit for the job. I just don't trust Romney not to grow govt. or try to kick the entitlement can down the road. But like someone upthread said, I'd vote for Mr. Hankey, the Christmas poo, before Obama.

Posted by: snowcrash at September 15, 2011 05:31 PM (T/g1q)

The voters already know. That's why a lot of this nonsense is irrelevant. The race starts after the turn of the year.

He has made the point in both debates as well as admitting his mistake. I guess if he heaps ashes on his head and flogs himself maybe someone not retarded by gardasil might hear him.

==============================

I agree.  He just didn't make the point well.  He thought that apologizing would put it to rest and it didn't and won't.  He also said that he should have made it an opt-in rather than opt-out.  Wrong argument.  Either way, it's defining paperwork, not whether it is mandatory or not.  The right argument is that it was never mandatory and was never intended to be mandatory.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 15, 2011 05:32 PM (f9c2L)

I think its an indirect issue. If you believe that global warming is real, manmade and dangerous, how do you square the circle of rolling back EPA regs to get jobs going again? If I believed in the dangers of Global warming, arguably wouldnt the economic cost be worth averting disaster?

232 Newt is a great debator

Not really.  He knows a lot, about everything.  But, he rambles on and gets offtrack.

He has that penchant, but he also can cut a nuisance to pieces in less than 2 sentences. Debating is a legeslative skill - or was until all debate occurred in the media without any of that, you know, debating stuff. I always roll my eyes when the media refer to the healthcare debate. When the fuck did we ever have one? Where did it take place and who were the leading shinning stars? Is there any actual transcript of this debate? Media states things that never happened and then pretends you are dumb for asking for facts.

Posted by: Y-not, Utahn for Perry at September 15, 2011 05:33 PM (5H6zj)

Well, mpfs was being snotty to him...

Anyway, I don't think Perry's been hurt by his allegedly poor debate performance any more than Reagan was hurt by his toe-curling press conferences, as someone above said (maybe it was you?).

I heard somewhere the reason it was made mandatory is because insurance would cover mandatory vaccinations but not voluntary ones. Someone may need to check that. I'm too lazy.

I know the vaccine cost over $300, so it wasn't cheap.

This is true in TX and I believe nationally.  If mandatory, most insurance companies and Medicaid would have been required to pay.  An opt in solution would have made the program too expensive for the most in need.

Again, would you have preferred "opt-in" for polio vaccine in 51-52? I personally don't think so nor did Truman

RiverRat

Posted by: lorien1973 at September 15, 2011 05:21 PM (usXZy)

Don't count on that.

Posted by: Vic at September 15, 2011 05:36 PM (M9Ie6)

Legislation maybe. But you would be surprised what regulators gone wild could do with thier spare time...

You should tell her to jog 5 km if she thinks exercise is so important. It will get her out of your hair for a while at least!

Hm. She's 90 and walks/jogs 2-5 miles per day and goes to the gym for resistance reps and physical therapy. It's like she wants a medal for not having a disease. Ok, mom, you exercised before anyone else (now they'd give you adhd meds, but ok). You're awesome. Yawn.

I walk 4 every goddamn day. Her problem is is that I hate it while she thinks it's so great.

In other words, Gardasil protects against four of the nearly 200 known types of HPV. Statistically that's 2%.

2% -- Basically, that's the inverse of condoment protection.

Posted by: Public Service Message at September 15, 2011 05:35 PM (IhHdM)

So that's 2% of the known types.  What's the percentage of its prevelance?  Sure it my only be 2% of possible types, but are they the ones that make up 30% of infections? 20%?  10%?

Posted by: polynikes Texan for Romney at September 15, 2011 05:40 PM (efZ1v)

It is not an internet requirement that everyone be the last to apologize.

Well, mpfs was being snotty to him...

Anyway, I don't think Perry's been hurt by his allegedly poor debate performance any more than Reagan was hurt by his toe-curling press conferences, as someone above said (maybe it was you?).

Not really.  He knows a lot, about everything.  But, he rambles on and gets offtrack.
Posted by: Sub-Tard at September 15, 2011 05:38 PM (0M3AQ)

Yeah, remember when he asked to be on Rush's show around the time of his announcement for Presidency?

Even Rush got tired of his shit and politely ended the interview.

Posted by: Tami at September 15, 2011 05:39 PM (X6akg)

My brother died at 50 from being fat, diabetic, and not exercising. My other brother died at 63 from alcohol. Dad died at 70 from colon cancer. See, if they had listened to her they would all be alive forever. I just don't know if living is worth listening to that for decades.

Posted by: mpfs, TPT at September 15, 2011 05:43 PM (iYbLN)

That scares me a little. You mad at me, bra? (bra is the female bro, right?)

Posted by: Sgt. York at September 15, 2011 05:42 PM (B6nJc)

women do not always produce warts either, it can be rather silent deadly . abnormal bleeding can be the only hint. but that can be many other things also.

although pap smears routinely catch it,  thankfully.

Posted by: Sgt. York at September 15, 2011 05:42 PM (B6nJc)

Keep digging!

While you are correct that there is no approved test for HPV in men, the big fat genital wart is usually a tip-off.

Posted by: willow at September 15, 2011 05:33 PM (h+qn8)

And that could very well happen.  Newt, I'm sure will eventually get out of the race, but he'd be a damn good consultant and/or coach.  The same logic goes for Bachmann.  She's pretty much dead to me as a viable candidate, but she's still a conservative voice. I'll say again that shooting our wounded isn't going to help our cause.    

Posted by: joffen at September 15, 2011 05:36 PM (EPcuy)

I do not have that confidence in Romney.  I can definitely see him doing his "waivers for everyone" and then pulling a "now that we have time we can tweak government healthcare to really make it work."  Also his "businessman" type may be more of the mindset that government should be doing something to make things better.  And I find Perry being a politician that is pro-business more appealing.  If I had a company and wanted a CEO I might look at Romney, but if I had a company and wanted someone in the government that wouldn't try and do stuff to fuck over my business I'd want Perry.

"I've seen OJ on TV like four thousand times, and he was never knifing anybody. That's no killer."

Perry's not a principles guy. That's part of the reason he can't kill-shot other Republicans in debate (but he'll be fine against Obama). He's..."expediency-minded?" A gut guy, and a bit of a sucker for ideas brought to him by people he knows. That's what his record-in-office seems to show, at least.

Fortunately, his gut/buddy instincts have been tempered by the character of his constituency, whose desires he seems to actually almost sometimes take into account—whereas Romney, e.g., just hates you hicks and tells you to suck it.

Perry's other debate problem is that he shows a certain uh inadequacy that, when displayed by, for example, Palin, signals an urgent need to "go home and study" and "prove it to me" and shit. Because dude's what's known in the trade as "not too bright." (He's smarter than about 85% of people, probably, but...so is Palin.)

That's a problem for him when he's on stage with Gingrich, Paul, and Romney, who can rattle off all kinds of crap about everything, and sound like they always know some shit you don't. But Obama's stone 'tarded, so Perry can roll him, if he just nuts up at him. Obama can't handle that. Hillary's nuts freaked him out. And Perry seems like a nut-up guy. More so than Hillary, even.

He's fine. Fine. He'll be fine.

Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at September 15, 2011 05:47 PM (AeFlm)

yeah i know it's hard to vet them .

i hate giving the dnc any free ammunition... sigh

Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at September 15, 2011 05

I hear it's an STD of sorts which means no.

I definitely DO NOT have have HPV.

Categorically.

At all.

So the US economy is circling the drain, we have a SCOAMF in the WH along with his corrupt band of minions doing their best to gut our country, we have a DOJ headed by a racist dunce, a military that will be gelded if the SCOAMF has it's way, unemployment moving ever upward, and food/gas etc. prices soaring.... 

 Why are we talking about HPV/Gardisil?  I know that it is the moron way but lets focus on the true dangers to our way of life.

There is a whole list of vaccinations that are Mandatory....right now. Nationwide. ....You know, like polio, measles, mumps, etc.

Does anyone know how they got to be mandatory?

Was it by Congressional action?.....Or by some departmental Regulation?..... Presidential EO?

I've been searching for this info, and so far haven't found out how these currently Mandatory Vaccination became mandatory..... Anyone know?

Posted by: mpfs, TPT at September 15, 2011 05:43 PM (iYbLN)

I don't care.

Posted by: mpfs, TPT at September 15, 2011 05:48 PM (iYbLN)

Awesome. I try and keep the ladies happy. It makes life sooooo much easier

I don't care.

I hear it's an STD of sorts which means no.

I definitely DO NOT have have HPV.

Categorically.

At all.

Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at September 15, 2011 05:50 PM (OhYCU)

The one you don't pee out of?

Posted by: mpfs, TPT at September 15, 2011 05:52 PM (iYbLN)

Real mature. You cast the first stone, but when someone calls you out, you cry foul.

Whatever, time to go to the new thread.

Real mature. You cast the first stone, but when someone calls you out, you cry foul.

Whatever, time to go to the new thread.

Ah, there you are, Agent P.

Posted by: mpfs, TPT at September 15, 2011 05:53 PM (iYbLN)

Yes. Yes, I am definite on that statement.

I don't know the intracacies of HPV but I imagine if I had been infected, I'd be dead by now.

Only because it's been a LOOOONG time since I've been laid.

So yes, I am as pure as the driven snow.

Yes. Yes, I am definite on that statement.

I don't know the intracacies of HPV but I imagine if I had been infected, I'd be dead by now.

Only because it's been a LOOOONG time since I've been laid.

So yes, I am as pure as the driven snow.

There is a whole list of vaccinations that are Mandatory....right now. Nationwide. ....You know, like polio, measles, mumps, etc.  Does anyone know how they got to be mandatory?

Good question.

But they've been that way since Eisenhower's administration.

However, until recently, pregnant women were warned to NOT take medications or be vaccinated. And the vaccines for measles, mumps and (later) polio were fewer and offered to older children than newborn infants.

Late to the thread.

Yeah, Perry may  not be knocking 'em dead.  But he isn't our Obama.  He isn't our Messiah.  He is just a man.  A good enough man.

But still, just a man.

I'm not going to swoon for him.

I'll vote for him.  And if he keeps from fucking shit up worse, I'll consider that a good enough deal.

Anything extra is just gravy.

"Very meh, okay. Not closing the sale." ~ Ace 

But Perry hasn't even brought you flowers or gotten to the foreplay part yet.

This is why I hate these dumbass debates.... The whole election cycle is starting too early these days. The media is the biggest beneficiary of this. 

Candidates who rocket to the top have a tough time staying there. So it may well be a good thing that Perry is only a little bit ahead of the others.... He is being targeted enough as it is.

Perry's a greasy establishment slimey used car salesman who dies his hair.

ken doll for prez! yay

But I guess you're a 'cool parent' that can't wait to get your daughter liquid slut and provide her with 2% protection against HPV.

Posted by: Public Service Message at September 15, 2011 05:55 PM (IhHdM

I didn't realize that Gardisil protected against pregancy, Herpes, HIV, Syphillis, Gonnorhea, Chlamydia, and probably a few others I'm missing.  But hey, I guess there's just something wrong with vaccinating your kids against things that they don't have such a high risk of getting from they way you talk.  So why get any vaccine?  They don't protect against all known virus, and you never know there could be a mutation making it immune to the vaccine.  So guess you don't have a problem risking Polio and Hep B.

Oh and if 70% of the population is infected with those 4 strands out of 200, then your "protected against only 2% of the possible viruses" is a bullshit lie by statistics.

355.....But they've been that way since Eisenhower's administration.

____________

Apparently not, Puss.

So far, I have found that it wasn't until 1980 that there were mandatory vaccinations in all 50 states, as a condition of enrollment in school.

In 1960s, only 20 states required vaccinations.....by 1970 29 states.

It all began with the Smallpox vaccine, back in 1809 in Massachusetts. Someone called Henning Jacobsen contested it, calling it unconstitutional, oppressive, etc....same argument that people are saying now with Gardasil.....it went to court, the court dissagreed with him. So it became law....in MA.

I still have not been able to find out how each vaccination became mandatory.

Whether they were by legislative actions, judicial decisions or by executive orders. 

 What if the wart if larger than my penis?  Which one do I remove?

That is something to seriously ponder.

 What if the wart if larger than my penis?  Which one do I remove?

That is something to seriously ponder.

Posted by: Ronster at September 15, 2011 06:34 PM (/ej8I) 

Posted by: willow at September 15, 2011 05:52 PM (h+qn

Face it my answer is the correct one.

367....I know for a fact that in 1957 my school district in GA required it.
__________

The CDC is located in GA....even under it's previous names, it was located there, right?

That could've had something to do with Georgia being one of the first states to have mandatory vacs.

The CDC is located in GA....even under it's previous names, it was located there, right?

That could've had something to do with Georgia being one of the first states to have mandatory vacs.

Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 15, 2011 06:45 PM (Sfm5w)

Could also be that cities/towns and school districts were making vaccinations for school children a requirement before states started getting involved.

Posted by: Great Reagan's Ghost at September 15, 2011 06:42 PM (h2/5o)

It was "free" only for low income people. For most people it cost $300.

This election cycle is like Karate Kid 3. Whoever wins this side of the bracket takes on the defending champion, and that person had better sweep the knee.

Posted by: FireHorse at September 15, 2011 04:55 PM (F5OMl)

Sweep the leg.  FIFY.  I'm a Karate Kid fanatic.  The first dance at my wedding was to Glory of Love by Peter Cetera. 

OT, how come I can italicize on my desk top computer, but it won't let me on my laptop.  What settings am I not getting right in order to use the little tool bar in the comments?  Thanks.

Face it my answer is the correct one.

Posted by: willow at September 15, 2011 06:44 PM (h+qn

That's easier said than done. A guy could needlessly lose his life in such an attempt.

378..... Isn't Perry's wife a nurse? Wouldn't she likely be an actual bigger influence on his decision about the HPV vaccine than any amount of donation he's received?

_________

Yeah, that......and I read somewhere that some of Perry's family members have battled cancer. ....Didn't say which ones, or which types of cancer.

I just can't see any excuse for a Governor or  President to make shots manditory, via executive order.  That type of thing is barely on the list of things Governors should worry about let alone issue executive orders about.

It showed a very bad tendency toward totalitarianism.  Unless there was some immediate danger... like a flu epidemic, why would an executive order ever be used like that?

Rick Perry is power hungry.  And he wants to impose his personal values via executive order... that doesn't sound conservative to me.

You know, getting a 200 on the math part of your SAT's is nothing to brag about. I'm guessing another 200 on the verbal, but I think that might be generous.

Posted by: Public Service Message at September 15, 2011 06:57 PM (IhHdM)

And accusing people of giving their daughter a "slut vaccine" because it may help protect against a single STD is as dumb as saying getting a flu shot means you now have license to mess around with the Ebola virus.

384.....Rick Perry is power hungry.

_________

Petunia, in case you are reading-impaired.....the Gardasil vaccination is expensive. Perry wanted people to be able to get it for free if they couldn't afford it...... The only way to do that is if it were mandatory. Then, insurance covers the cost.

There was an 'opt out' form, for people who didn't want their daughters to have it.

Mandatory vaccinations have been around for a long time.....it is the standard way that diseases/viruses have been wiped out. You had to get several vaccinations to attend school.

without revealing to your daughter that she is now only protected against four out of the two hundred known variations of HPV, is a Darwinistic experiment. One which may take half a century of misery to discover the eventual outcome. I'm placing my bets on the ability of viruses to mutate and raise havoc with the host. Because that's what they're good at and that's what they do.

But, I hope it works out for you.

Posted by: Public Service Message at September 15, 2011 07:25 PM (IhHdM)

Like I said you lie by statistics.  Yeah it protects against 4 of 200 as you say.  But as someone else pointed out, 2 of those 4 account for the majority of cervical cancer by HPV.  Let's say I own 20 dogs.  I have 4 species of dogs, Beagles, cocker spaniels, labradors and poodles.  So you could say that 20% of the species of dogs I have are Beagles.  But what if I have 15 beagles?  They are still only 1 of the 4 types of dogs I own, but you have a better than 1 in 5 chance that seeing a dog of mine will be a beagle.

383..... From where I sit Perry looks to be doing fine while remaining very likable - the importance of which can't be overstated.

___________

Yup......I agree, John. Nice summation. 

A lot of people are referring to the Romney vs. Perry contest as pragmatism vs. purity.  If Perry had a better track record on illegal immigration I would be inclined to agree with the characterization.

But his record on that issue isn't conservative.  Well maybe "Chamcon" conservative, but not "rule of law - preserve language and culture" conservative.  His attitude on it doesn't seem to be much different than Lindsey Graham's.  He shouldn't be casually let off the hook for the awful answer he gave about in-state tuition being accorded to the children of illegals.  If you think that's a sound policy, then we can agree to disagree, but don't insinuate that opposing it means that you just don't like people with a Mexican last name.  His vocal opposition to Jan Brewer's efforts in Arizona was also deeply disappointing.  This is a major issue, and his record on it isn't good.

Romneycare is just as troubling to me.  He should be criticized over it, but he has called for the reversal of Universal Health Care. Perry has called for more boots on the ground and so forth with respect to illegal aliens, but I'm a long way from being convinced that he's going to make it a big priority if elected.

The biggest difference between the two isn't what they propose to do as President.  It's in their electibility.  Whether fair or not, if Perry continues to give lackluster responses to the most basic of policy questions, he's going to come across as GWB redux to the mushy middle.  If he doesn't use more temperate language when he talks about social security, Obama will have a gold mine of campaign commercial fodder to scare the hell out of senior citizens..

I don't know if Perry will get better at this or not.  We'll see.  All I can say is thatt I'd rather win with Romney than lose with Perry.

Great year to field a bunch of substandard candidates.  I don't like him, but Mike Huckabee is an idiot for sitting this one out. 

Love him or hate him, the Huckster is a FAR, FAR better politician than Perry or Romney. 

I guarantee he could jump in late and win Iowa. 

Fucking Chuck Norris.

Love him or hate him, the Huckster is a FAR, FAR better politician than Perry or Romney. 

I guarantee he could jump in late and win Iowa. 

Fucking Chuck Norris.

Posted by: stickety at September 15, 2011 08:01 PM (FUDwf)

Because letting murders out of prison is awesome!

401 - Doesn't change the essential point of my post...

Huckabee is a skilled politician who actually connects with voters. 

Perry comes off as a world-class dick.  Romney is stiff and phony. 

After GWB, I would argue that's it's imperative to have a nominee and president who can articulate a position given how the media will distort everything.

People want the un-Obama, but they also want the un-GWB.  Rick Perry sure as hell ain't like Obama, but fair or not, if they see a Texas Governor who stumbles through his responses, it's pretty obvious who they are going to be reminded of.  NOT GOOD.

I watched the debate and was pulling for Perry, hoping that he would impress me.  He didn't. 

Newt was impressive, but he's a scumbag.  Maybe Newt could run on the following slogan:

Vote for the lecherous philanderer and a GOP congress.  It worked pretty well the last time we tried it.

Well,

We have a governor who befriended a dying woman, brought her to his family home, sat with her as she died.  Spoke at her funeral years ago.

I think someone said its what politicians do when we aren't looking

 Uh guys - I think Jimmy Carter just destroyed Romney's chances. He said: "From the department of unhelpful praise, former President Jimmy Carter tells Rachel Maddow he's a-ok with the idea of Mitt Romney as the GOP presidential nominee. "I'm not taking a position, but I would be very pleased to see him win the Republican nomination," Carter told the MSNBC host, according to advance interview excerpts." I think the debates are over-hyped. It is stuff like this and Bachmann's Gardasil=retardation nonsense that will secure the nomination for Perry.

Or it could be that Carter considers Perry to be easier to beat, and is praising Romney simply to hurt his chances of getting nominated.

The Pirate Community will, of course vote ABO, no matter who the Republicans select. But the field is weak in many respects. Perry the Demopublican has the best shot, Mitt RobamaCare can make a strong run and finish well. Paul has the creds for conservatives, but too many peeps say he can't win, and perception is reality in the Pirate World.

The Republicans should have a cakewalk, instead they attack each other, almost like a plankwalk. And Pirates know stuff about walking the plank.

Florida responds to Perry's weak debate:

http://tinyurl.com/3bpwzcm

Y'all do realize not that many people watch debates or politics. I hope you also realize that Ronald Reagan was bashed by the media as an old actor who could not possibly win the primary much less the general election. It is early and a long time before people start paying a lot of attention.

ABO Party but hope it is Gov. Perry.

Or it could be that Carter considers Perry to be easier to beat, and is praising Romney simply to hurt his chances of getting nominated.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at September 15, 2011 08:18 PM (0DGtF)

Or he wants the big O to take him off the 'most crushing recent electoral defeat' top spot.

The issue is that Merck made the donations and the EO was done soon after GlaxoSmitheKline applied for approval of Cervarix, which was approved in Aus and the EU in 2007 but not in the US until 2009.

Posted by: ravenshrike at September 15, 2011 09:11 PM (VQER7)

The Executive Order was signed in early February.  It looks like they applied for approval in late March.

The Palinistas and Paultards would be happy handing the nomination to Romney rather than have an electible conservative steal attention away from their presciousssssss unelectable candidates.

The Ronulans aren't conservatives at all - they're moderate RINO supporters of the kind of establishment Republicans who betray the country every time they're in power.

As for Bachmann supporters...is there even such a thing any more?  The woman herself is a whack job and a flake.

I'll take my chances with Perry.

And one other thing...if the GOP nominates Romney, I'll quit the party and stay home on election day.  If Bush didn't destroy the Republican brand, Romney certainly will.  And I want nothing to do with a party stupid enough to nominate this career office seeker with no principles.

BTW..."Ronulans" was a typo.

I meant Romulans - ie, Romney supporters.