1 But it was insensitive.

2 Wow.  You suck at this too!  Must be something in the water.

3 haha Step on Rosie and put HER down!

4 Yeah too bad that Barky McShitshispants can't deny that he was snorting coke off of some [insert gender and body part here] in 1984.

5 Tony Snow, you are missed.

6 And for the record? Democrats painted over...

MFM in unanimous in saying that they see no problem with that.

7

uhhh. this is going to be 20 minutes of the next debate. There are times where i hate politics.

We're never going to discuss issues that matter in the primaries

8 Happy Birthday Elvis!

9 Perry is still in this thing; I have no idea why pundits are writing him off. Let's take a step back and realize that this is our so-called anti-Romney. Now that Palin is out (thank God), an Christie isn't running can we please start to coalesce around this guy? The primaries are three months away! Let's fucking do this ladies and gentlemen! p.s.: I'm sorry, but Cain isn't our guy. 'Nuff said.

10 And Cuffy, where the fuck ya been ya ginger bastard?!?!?

11 I once climbed a mountain that was formerly called 'The Negro Nose', or something worse.

I'm such a bastid that I didn't even think to denounce myself.

12 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

13 @9 Nope. I'm just too "heartless" to rally around Perry at this point.

14 The only line he forgot was "some of my best friends are Black."

15 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

16 EC, I've taken my game to Miami, I mean, teh twitters.

17

Yeah, as much I'm annoyed with Perry for saying that things like sovereignty and the rule of law are heartless and bad, the lack of pictures of this so-called rock, plus my distrust of the MFM lead me to conclude that there's nothing here.

I mean-- this is all they have?  A painted-over rock?  Desperate.  Weaksauce.

18 How is this clown the anti-Romney? He's a freaking democrat for gawd's sake.

19 Children's charity organizations are just so racist.

20 If Perry hadn't been such a lameass in the debates,well,this would still be a story but it wouldn't be much of one.

21 I heard Floyd's balls had "Yes" and "No" painted on them, but then Rosetta had them cut off.

22 we had a mountain here called...........SQUAW peak! now it's called piestawa peak for the girl who died in the iraq war.......squaw is apparently a horrible word as bad as the n word

23 EC, I've taken my game to Miami

Holy shit!  Cuffy is Michael Westin!!!

24 Well, I certainly can't vote for Perry now. What a fairy, painting over that rock!

25 socks suck

26 20 If Perry hadn't been such a lameass in the debates,well,this would still be a story but it wouldn't be much of one mentioned until the general election.

Posted by: steevy at October 06, 2011 04:06 PM (fyOgS)

FTFY

27 The story is complete bullshit. But his handling of it is even worse.

28

I've climbed around monkey face on smith rock. 

Even though it's got nothing to do with a race or even human beings, can I still consider myself racist?

29 I'm just too "heartless" to rally around Perry at this point.

Perry's still my guy (and he's flat apologized for that several times- do need a direct (to you) written apology in blood?), but Cain seems to be surging.

I have problems with his gafftasticness, and I don't think he's had any hard interviews since he became the latest media darling (after playing the race-card all-too-willingly on Perry), so I'm not sold.  And I won't be until Perry really falls out of the race- if that happens.

On the other hand, look at our other options:
RomneyCare
"Tardisil" Bachman
Newt

Those are really it ("other" options, I'd already discussed Perry and Cain).

So, of the 5 (3, really- Newt and Bachman are functionally out of it, baring some miracle), who's your choice?

30 Herman Cain continues to be an Grade-A asshole.

31 Has Perry bothered to blast Cain out of the water for his commentary on this subject?

32 Ok its been about a week now, has a picture of the rock surfaced yet?

33 Who's that Chinese guy running? Huntsman? Jintao Huntsman. He does sex to the Chinese foreign minister.

34 MOM!!! CUFFY PUSHED ROSETTA DOWN AGAIN!!!

35 Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. (D-Ill.) introduced a resolution in the House demanding that Perry apologize for not immediately removing the offending rock Whew! Such retardation is how I know Perry is still in this thing.

36 He should just come out and say that he doesn't think N-head is inferior to any other type of head.

_{it's all good....}

37 @31 Perry has apologized for being too "passionate" about the issue, not for thinking opponents of his dream act are heartless. Big difference.

38 Sup?

39 MOM!!! CUFFY PUSHED ROSETTA DOWN AGAIN!!! If you Hostages can't play nicely, I'm sending you all back to Stockholm.

40 Ok its been about a week now, has a picture of the rock surfaced yet?

I saw it. It now says Obama=SCOAMF.

41 ....does perry just not really care what people think? or does he think people just don't really care? he's beginning to remind me of gw bush during his second term when he didn't bother to hit back hard when he was being lied about.......

42 32 Herman Cain continues to be an Grade-A asshole.

Posted by: lu at October 06, 2011 04:09 PM (pLTLS)

Fuck him.  Talk about being a petulant dickbag.  No wonder he's being all buddy-like with Romney.

43 Still too soon for some, I see. Your choice, but we've got about a month to find our guy. I wish Cain was our guy, I really do. He's got a great story and he says the right things (more often than not) but he's not our guy. Can anyone explain to me how Romney takes the fact that 25% of Republicans trust him and turns that into actual votes? How is this possible?

44 As a Perry supporter, I won't write Cain off.

But his comment about 'insensitivity' burned.  That is just another example of him not being careful.  I think this is a very good reason why he should have run for a lower office, such as Governor or Senator, to improve his skills sufficiently.

I say that even though Perry is not the exemplar of slickness.  His gaffes, however, are not in the same category, IMO.

I am carefully watching these two.  I will almost certainly vote for one of them, but I respect both of them.

45 Holy Hell! Did you all catch this from the story:

"Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. (D-Ill.) introduced a resolution in the House demanding that Perry apologize for not immediately removing the offending rock; the measure was blocked in a vote mostly down party lines."

Are you fucking kidding me? The whole fucking country is falling apart and that worthless piece of shit has the gall, the unmitigated gall, to waste everyone's time by introducing THAT? A fucking rock on someone else's land over 30 years ago--and he is to apologize today? He wants the United States House of Representatives to officially call Rick Perry a racist over a fucking rock he had nothing to do with???!!!!

By all means, let us play fucking nice with these guys, let us go to their debates, let us have them set the agenda and topics, let us buy into every fucking thing they print and say with no hesitation.

I hope you people supporting Cain and Romney realize just how badly your guys have willingly--willingly--played into the media's hands.

46 Herman Cain continues to be an Grade-A asshole.

Posted by: lu at October 06, 2011 04:09 PM (pLTLS)

Say good night, Herman.  You apparently don't understand how this game works. 

47
looks like someone got pushed down like a fat woman

48 What'd "the rock" say? SCoaMF?

49 Perry has apologized for being too "passionate" about the issue, not for thinking opponents of his dream act are heartless.

Go to Yidd with Lidd: he's got a link to an interview where Perry does just that.  Says it was "unfair to those who oppose the law."  You can't get much more of an apology than that.

Of course, it'll never get played, because a) it's from a right-wing interview and b) the whole point of these interviews is to be giant "gotcha" sessions.

50
Rock is dead, they say.

51 I'm not very photogenic ...

52 Let he who is without sin cast the first painted over stone.

53 Rock is dead, they say. Posted by: Dr. Varno at October 06, 2011 04:14 PM (QMtmy) Nah Rock is here to stay

54 feed me

55 Perry is our guy. True story.

56

Can we move the ghey-ass Steve Jobs pick down the queue?

It's not as if anyone in the world is unaware of his dying. 

Smug liberal hipster douchebags don't need a patron saint.

57 MOM!!! CUFFY PUSHED ROSETTA DOWN AGAIN!!! Posted by: Andy at October 06, 2011 04:10 PM (5Rurq) ====== I had to use a lever & fulcrum!

58 Cain is dead to me unless HE apologizes to Perry for making a mountain of a mole hill.

59

Cain's a joke. I know, I know he's got good numbers now, but that won't last.

Since the race is now Perry v Romney, I'm on team Perry.

I dislike Romney and if Perry is the only real alternative who could win the generals, then I'm with him despite his views on immigration

60 @52 Well, if true, then I can get back on the Perry train. Seems to me that he has to know this has hurt him badly--more than any other issue--and he should be out repeating this loud and clear to primary voters.

61 48 Holy Hell! Did you all catch this from the story:

"Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. (D-Ill.) introduced a resolution in the House demanding that Perry apologize for not immediately removing the offending rock; the measure was blocked in a vote mostly down party lines."


Text of privileged resolution and video of floor speech

62 34 Ok its been about a week now, has a picture of the rock surfaced yet?

Posted by: The Schwalbe : © at October 06, 2011 04:10 PM (UU0OF)

Of course not.  If you read the WaPo story they claim to have seen photos of it, and you can make out an the N and the 2 G's and that's about all it said.  It could destroy the efforts if they actually had to show it.

63 In my normal state of psychotic reverie, the other day this occured to me. What if through some bizarre mental gymnastics, the precious independent voters see Mittens saying "No" to Obastardcare, but simultaneously conclude "Well, Romney does still support socialized medicine in Massachusetts, so he can't be totally against healthcare for everyone, just that awful Obastardcare. I'll vote for him." Makes zero sense, yet what if that is the twisted conclusion some voters reach? Just trying to fend off the doomy feeling a Romney candidacy portends.

64 32 Herman Cain continues to be an Grade-A asshole.

Posted by: lu at October 06, 2011 04:09 PM (pLTLS)

Oh, he's much more of an asshole than most people realise. JUST WAIT untill after the primaries when he keeps going all McCain (or worse) just to stay relevant and get invited back on TV for the Sunday news shows. This is just the tip of the asshole.

65 wouldn't it be funny if there wasn't even a rock?

66 I don't do pics!!!! Get off my lawn!!!!

67 Smug liberal hipster douchebags don't need a patron saint. Posted by: imp at October 06, 2011 04:15 PM (UaxA0) "Patron Saint"? He was the biggest Capitalist of the last 25 years

68 Someone should go kick JJ Jr. in the balls and remind him that he's got a WHOLE BUNCH or OTHER shit to worry about.

69 Why is it every comment calling Perry pretty much a Democrat (ok 90% of those) or saying they rather let Obama win than vote for Romney come from a fucking name I have never seen before?

70 Wow, Lu.  That link really burns me up.

Perry is soft on one aspect of immigration, but he's not soft on border enforcement.  He's actually put resourced into that specific issue, and his immigration policy centers around controlling the border.

I don't agree with the tuition stance, but it's not a deal breaker because there is a practical reasoning behind it, and Texas is left with no good solutions because the border is not secure enough.

Cain needs to drop this subtle 'he's racist' thing.

Perry is simply not racist.  He's worked with a huge number of blacks, and unlike some pols, he doesn't care that they are black.  They aren't there as tokens.  They are there because Texas attracts great people, some of whom are black, and Perry relies on them.  Even for our top state court, where Perry appointed the first black man.

But again, not because he was black.  Because he was the best.  Perry is being treated very unfairly by Cain.  I hope this is just the press taking Cain's words apart to split the right, and Cain isn't treating Perry differently in this case because he's a white guy.  I really like Cain and see him as a genuine guy, but he's acting so strange lately, like he's got an alliance with Romney in exchange for a VP slot.

Anyone preferring Romney to Perry is not a reliable conservative, IMO.

71 or even funnier if it was originally painted by a black person.............

72 To be fair to Cain, he made an off the cuff response to this because he was late to the Washington Redskins game.

73 Maybe the rock is only 12 inches wide.

74 wouldn't it be funny if there wasn't even a rock? Posted by: phoenixgirl at October 06, 2011 04:17 PM (eOXTH) Oprah's ass? Oh wait that is racist, I mean Garrafalo's ass?

75 Ah must say that this sort of thing offends mah very sensibilities

76 Apology? Yeah, sure, any career politician will apologize for anything that turns out to be politically inconvenient... The apology is bullshit. The comment was the truth of who he is.

77 Amazing how a fucking rock jeopardizes the career of a Republican while a Democrat can get away with just about anything,up too and including responsibility for a death.

78

73 ... what he said ...

79 >> I had to use a lever & fulcrum!

She is kind of wide at the beam, isn't she?

80

Cain let teh n-head thing drop.  The national Journal is stirring up shit.  He doesn't want to be Perry's running mate because in his words:

Cain said his concerns about Perry include "being soft on the border, issues relative to tuition for children of illegal aliens."

Now Herman Cain shouldn't be going after anyone who's soft around the middle ... oh that was the Nation's border!  Never mind. 

but it was the NJ that threw in the negrohead stuff, not Cain.

81 what if it was a boulder?

82 What'd "the rock" say? SCoaMF?

Posted by: t-bird at October 06, 2011 04:13 PM (FcR7P)

Can you SMELL what I'M COOKIN!?!

83 Perry is supposed to apologize for something in a camp his father went to. Sins of the father and all that ..

Senator Al Gore Sr voted against the 1964 Civil Rights Act

84 BTW, Perry's plan for the deficit is a balanced budget amendment.  Perry also has balanced Texas's budget by reducing agency budgets across the board.

Those pretending this is how democrats govern today are idiots.  This is exactly what I want from a candidate on the most critical issue of the day.

Perry is also much better on foreign policy than his competitors.

He just needs to get that weird skill where you can overcome a liberal democrat asking a gotcha question in 30 seconds, even though most of the other debaters will also be attacking Perry.  I don't know how that's done, but at the very least, Perry needs to stop saying stupid things even if it's a bad situation to be in.

85 Senator Al Gore Sr voted against the 1964 Civil Rights Act Posted by: kbdabear at October 06, 2011 04:20 PM (Y+DPZ) Senator Al Gore senior spawned Al Gore Jr. --enough said

86 86 Most D's did,didn't they?

87

Perry is soft on one aspect of immigration, but he's not soft on border enforcement.  He's actually put resourced into that specific issue, and his immigration policy centers around controlling the border.

I don't agree with the tuition stance, but it's not a deal breaker because there is a practical reasoning behind it, and Texas is left with no good solutions because the border is not secure enough.

He's soft on an issue that wouldn't even be an issue if the federal government actually did its job,  a job he wants them to do.

88 There was a cliff not far from my town that was named Squah rock, sign and all. In all the 62 years I have been here it had that sign. It was an Indian folk lore strory about a gilted Woman who jumped off the rock onto her sleeping "ex" and his new squeeze. Stopped many a time because it was a pretty view.... No more. A couple years ago they removed it because it was "sexist/racist to Indian Women..

 Of course I now must denounce myself because I used to go there...

89 19 Children's charity organizations are just so racist.

Posted by: buzzion at October 06, 2011 04:06 PM (GULKT)

This.

The land is OWNED by the Hendrick Home for Children.

Will somebody please denounce them first?

90 or even funnier if it was originally painted by a black person.............

Which it might well have been, in that part of Texas.

Why is it every comment calling Perry pretty much a Democrat (ok 90% of those) or saying they rather let Obama win than vote for Romney come from a fucking name I have never seen before?

"Trollin', trollin', trollin'.  Keep them comments trollin..."

Yeah- there's a reason I'm "tired beyond tired" of the trolls.  Actually several- that's just one.

BTW- I wasn't on the "Palin isn't running" thread, and haven't checked.  Did the Cult4Palin crowd jump in?  If so, were their tears tasty?

91

Yeah, a great fucking capitalist:


JOBSÂ’ FAVORITE POLS -- Steve Jobs made some significant political donations. In 1997, Jobs shipped $15,000 to the DNC and in 1998, he gave $1,000 to Nancy Pelosi for Congress. In 1999, Bill Bradley got $500 and Sen. Ted Kennedy got $2,000 from Jobs. On Nov. 1, 2000, he gave $50,000 in soft money to the DNC and in 2004, , he gave $1,000 to Rham Emanuel. In 2006, he have $26,700 to the DCCC.

92 Solyndra? Who cares about THAT!

Look, a rock on Perry's ranch that looks like Bull Connor!!

93 When a pic of this rock finally appears, I predict the dorkiest blog swarm ever --- every blogger will become an Expert Geologist like THAT *snaps fingers*.

94 Oh, and when the land was leased by Perry's father, Rick Perry was still...an Al Gore Democrat.

95 There was a rock at this summer camp....oh wait that was a meadow, but you used to go there with the girls to "rock" the world

96 I've heard that Perry took a dump once that looked like a lynched black man.Just sayin'.

97 lu 32, you should be ashamed of yourself for that racist remark! (I presume the "A" stands for African)

98 What a fairy, painting over that rock!

That is slightly homo. But seriously—

It wasn't his rock. He wasn't even renting it. It was just...around. Why's he fucking with it?

And who paints a rock? Is his "family" all idiots?

Everything about this story, except what was painted on the stupid rock, is completely insane. I get "LOL teh blax." The rest is madness.

99 Perry should list all the Dem politicians that entered that camp.

100 BTW- I wasn't on the "Palin isn't running" thread, and haven't checked.  Did the Cult4Palin crowd jump in?  If so, were their tears tasty?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 06, 2011 04:21 PM

Be nice, we'll need everyone we can get to show up at the polls in November 2012 to vote for whatever we put up against the SCOAMF

101 Oops Squaw... Said it again   Will re-denounce myself...

102 This is the dumbest "controversy" I've seen in a while. What nonsense.

103 104 - goddamn sock!!!!

104 Yeah, a great fucking capitalist: JOBSÂ’ FAVORITE POLS -- Steve Jobs made some significant political donations. In 1997, Jobs shipped $15,000 to the DNC and in 1998, he gave $1,000 to Nancy Pelosi for Congress. In 1999, Bill Bradley got $500 and Sen. Ted Kennedy got $2,000 from Jobs. On Nov. 1, 2000, he gave $50,000 in soft money to the DNC and in 2004, , he gave $1,000 to Rham Emanuel. In 2006, he have $26,700 to the DCCC. Posted by: imp at October 06, 2011 04:22 PM (UaxA0) He guilt Apple into the NUMBER 1 Company in the USA. I don't know how you define Capitalist, but it ain't by political donations, which by the way are pretty skimpy for a man of his wealth.

105
It depends on what the definition of "rock" is.

106 As I said in that Cain story: Wait, so Romney is and will be tougher on illegal immigration than Perry? Thanks Mr. Cain for revealing yourself to be a liar and a party hack beholden to the same slime that run the Romney campaign.

107 Be nice, we'll need everyone we can get to show up at the polls in November 2012 to vote for whatever we put up against the SCOAMF

Yeah, I guess so- it would help if they weren't, by and large, complete jerks.

108 OK, here's how this is playing out
2008: McCain, 2012: Romney -- squish frontrunner
2008: Romney, 2012: Perry -- more conservative running to frontrunner's right
2008: Huckabee, 2012: Cain -- insurgent candidate with charisma who cannot possibly win the nomination, but willing to serve as a vote-splitter to elect the squish frontrunner

109 Yeah, read where Huntsman's reaction to Palin not running was along the lines of "she was just pulling everyone's chain, profit, Fox,......" Huntsman can go f*ck him/herself. Again.

110 I must have been living under a rock, what is it about the rock? Were there bad words on it? Did it say thank god Elizabeth Warren did not take her clothes off?

111 If elected, my administration will have a zero tolerance policy for racist rocks and trees.  A voter for me is a vote for racial healing.

112 106 This is the dumbest "controversy" I've seen in a while. What nonsense.

Posted by: Mandy P. refuses to watch the SCOAMF at October 06, 2011 04:24 PM (qFpRI)

So was "macaca".  It was amazing to behold the WaPo contorting themselves to make it into a racial slur that nobody'd ever heard before.

113

"I did not have textual relations with that rock"

That was funny!

 

114 If Perry plays his cards right, this rock crap might just help him.

115 Why is it every comment calling Perry pretty much a Democrat (ok 90% of those) or saying they rather let Obama win than vote for Romney come from a fucking name I have never seen before?

Posted by: Mr. Pink at October 06, 2011 04:18 PM (B0ebt)

Your tax dollars at work

116 Perry needs to slap the shit out of Cain. Really. What the hell is Perry doing?

117 For Halloween this year I'm making a big papier-mâché shell, painting it like a rock and going as Obama's latest desperate tactic.

118 Who the fuck painted over my rock?

119 118 If Perry plays his cards right, this rock crap might just help him. Posted by: nevergiveup at October 06, 2011 04:27 PM (aYQHH) He went from frontrunner to desperate condition in a month so I'm not optimistic.

120 Big strategic and tactical error by Cain.

121 Perry needs to slap the shit out of Cain. Really. What the hell is Perry doing? Posted by: Dave at October 06, 2011 04:27 PM (Xm1aB) He's got to start acting like a man

122 That rock has so many people excited it must be tickling their orogenous zones.

123 @124 Well maybe, if Perry would get off his ass and go after Cain for this nonsense.

124 Perry needs to slap the shit out of Cain.

Really.

What the hell is Perry doing?

Posted by: Dave at October 06, 2011 04:27 PM (Xm1aB)

Seriously?  It's "punching down".

Cain desperately wants Perry to acknowledge him.  If this becomes a Perry/Cain fight, Romney wins.  You can only attack somebody if they're ahead of you or it's a two-man race.

125 Would like to think that if most of the conservatives rallied around one particular not-Romney we could take the nomination, but the recent polling isn't very encouraging.

126 how bout this?
http://tinyurl.com/3gfcmns

127 Were there bad words on it?

It, according to the MFM, had the word "N_gg_rhead" (where the underscores are vowels you can buy) painted on it.  Of course, the mountains/hills/whatever-they-technically-are in the area are (still) called the N_gg_rheads.  It's probably not nice, but there you go.

According to the story- its on land that Perry's dad leased and (gasp) Perry's dad wasn't vociferous enough in demanding that the rock be removed (or whatever).

So, basically, "We need dirt on Perry, and there just isn't any, so we'll use guilt-by-association squared to make him guilty by being associated with his dad who is associated with someone who owns property on which a rock sits."

128 118 If Perry plays his cards right, this rock crap might just help him. Posted by: nevergiveup at October 06, 2011 04:27 PM (aYQHH) If Perry on his first question during the next debate, points at the fucking cunt that is "hosting" it that works for the Washington Post and tells her to her face that she is a horrible human being, a political activist and not a journalist, and tells her that she disgusts him......that would win him votes in the Republican primary.

129 .......it wasn't his rock to paint......watch.....he'll get fined for painting someone else's property..........

130 He went from frontrunner to desperate condition in a month so I'm not optimistic. Posted by: joncelli at October 06, 2011 04:28 PM (RD7QR) Yup, which is why he has to come out swinging. And mostly at obama but if the others go after him he has to fight back. Shit challenge Paul to fist fight, what doe she have to lose?

131 Perry shoulda shot the gawt damned rock, like he did that coyote. Since he didn't, he is clearly a racist for life.

 Robert Byrd can effing run his regional KKK unit and be forgiven and revered. Ted Kennedy can kill someone and attain godlike status. But Perry can't lease a parcel of land that had a rock with a dirty word on it 25 years ago.

132 If Perry on his first question during the next debate, points at the fucking cunt that is "hosting" it that works for the Washington Post and tells her to her face that she is a horrible human being, a political activist and not a journalist, and tells her that she disgusts him......that would win him votes in the Republican primary. Posted by: Mr. Pink at October 06, 2011 04:30 PM (B0ebt) Amen

133 So basically Cain is the new Huckabee that will take out someone so the most left wing faggot Republican can win.

134 @129 Really? From where Perry is sitting right now, there's not much room left to "punch down."

135 he should make an opening statement about the panty waists that focus on all this crap instead of getting rid of obama......

136 So I hear Hank Williams Jr. is gonna sing the National Anthem before the next debate?

137 If Perry on his first question during the next debate, points at the fucking cunt that is "hosting" it that works for the Washington Post and tells her to her face that she is a horrible human being, a political activist and not a journalist, and tells her that she disgusts him......that would win him votes in the Republican primary.

Posted by: Mr. Pink at October 06, 2011 04:30 PM (B0ebt)

No federal funds to any university with a journalism school.

Or, for that matter, a law school.  Hmmm...

138 I ate fliperts and those little black licorice babies.......I denounce myself as an insensitive racist.

139 This whole hunting camp rock thing from 30 years ago is so much more important than any of the vile anti-American screeds that came out of the prodigious piehole of The Very Reverend Wright for 20 fucking years yet went unheard by Oliar.

The MFM always has the marxists' back. It's how they roll _over.

140 If Perry doesn't blow through an entire case of whoop-ass during the next debate, he's headed for Bachmann territory and it's Mittens for Everyone!

141 112 OK, here's how this is playing out
2008: McCain, 2012: Romney -- squish frontrunner
2008: Romney, 2012: Perry -- more conservative running to frontrunner's right
2008: Huckabee, 2012: Cain -- insurgent candidate with charisma who cannot possibly win the nomination, but willing to serve as a vote-splitter to elect the squish frontrunner

Posted by: AmishDude at October 06, 2011 04:25 PM (T0NGe)

Holy shit, the hairs on the back of my neck just got all goosebumpy. Very

142 Perry should list all the Dem politicians that entered that camp.

That's tu quoque, and doesn't mean anything. Really, the issue resolves very simply:

1) the rock was painted over when he noticed; and
2) the land is owned by the Hendrick Home for Children, so it's a great way to go huntin' *and* support a charity.

If that ain't good enough for you, then you're trollin'.

143 Very astute

144

Or, for that matter, a law school.  Hmmm...

Posted by: AmishDude at October 06, 2011 04:32 PM (T0NGe)

Awww....that would mean I would not have gone to law school...only the libs would have gone.

145 In the spirit of full disclosure,I may have a rock on my property with the word

146 Umm nevermind.

147 I ate at Sambo's when I was a kid, so I'm officially racist to the core. But now I know where butter comes from.

148 Perry should have injected that rock with Tardasil.

149 People, me included, have sincerely wanted Herman Cain to be successful at this, but he keeps demonstrating that he really probably shouldn't be the nominee.  I don't think that we need somebody out there who is going to be offended all the damned time.  People in general are offended all the time about bullshit the way it is.  It's a sign of the times that needs to come to an end.  I hope Cain can realize that and can grow some nads and get the hell over it.

150 Maybe Cain thinks it was the Black Stone and that Perry is a secret Muslim.

151 @150 Watch out giftgab, now that you've identified as a law school grad, that amish will mercilessly attack you and remind you how much you suck at math, or something like that.

152 I ate Sugar Daddies and Sugar Babies as a kid,that wasn't their original name,was it?

153 How do we know the stone wasn't really the Crystal Skull? I'm gonna hide in a refrigerator until this blows over.

154

Awww....that would mean I would not have gone to law school...only the libs would have gone.

Posted by: giftogab at October 06, 2011 04:33 PM (SPVfc)

No, it just wouldn't have received federal funding.  Like how the divinity schools have to be technically off-campus.

155 @157..I do suck at math.

156 There's a fat black woman on my syrup bottle. I denounce myself.

157 I ate at Sambo's when I was a kid, so I'm officially racist to the core. But now I know where butter comes from.

Sambo was Indian (dot, not feather) so you're off the hook.

158 @162 Of course you do. As do I. That's why we went to law school.

159 163 Mine too!Is their no end to my perfidy?

160 Cream of Wheat. That has to be racist code for something. I mean, look at the label.

161 153 I ate at Sambo's when I was a kid, so I'm officially racist to the core. But now I know where butter comes from.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at October 06, 2011 04:34 PM (AZGON)

There is the true travesty right there. A beautiful story...absolutley wonderful story reduced to a few butt hurt bed wetting liberals taking it away from eveyone because of their desire to be offended by EVERYTHING!

162

Posted by: Bill Cliton

Did you do that on purpose?  Cuz that's damn funny right there.

163 There's a fat black woman on my syrup bottle.

Go check out the guy on your box of rice and then file a full report.

164 The Very Reverend Wright for 20 fucking years yet went unheard by Oliar. Aha! Now I get your sock, Barry Oliar. Carry on.

165 What rock ? Has anybody seen a picture of the rock, let alone the old “crackerhead” word on it ?

I want proof. I want to be offended.

Next we will all hear that there is a rock in the backyard of Obama's house on the South Side of Chicago that has "Hab SoSlI' Quch!" painted on it.

166 Cain's comments are really, really starting to piss me off.  I don't know what's wrong with him, but he is letting his mouth run way too much.  I lean towards Perry, but was also considering Cain in the back of my mind if he was really outpolling Perry come primary time.  My support for him is slipping.  I'd rather toss it to Newt if Perry is down or out by that point.  Cain really seems to have a problem zipping his lip when he should. 

167 Well, I heard Obama likes to eat....crackers!

168 Well, there is a picture.

It's one of Obama with Malik Zulu Shabazz.

Malik Zulu Shabazz is so anti-Semitic that Hitler would have told him to dial it back a notch.

169 You know what they used to call brazil nuts? Yeah. I ate some. I denounce myself.

170 Obama marched with the New Black Panthers.

171
Grandparents had a "lawn jockey" statue by the front porch. Called him 'Old Black Sam'.

172

Re: The 2012 Republican Field.

You sit on the toilet with the ass-crack you have, not the ass-crack you want.

173 Malik Zulu Shabazz is so anti-Semitic that Hitler would have told him to dial it back a notch. Posted by: AmishDude at October 06, 2011 04:39 PM (T0NGe) Hey some of my best friends are Heebs, but then again I don't really have any friends.

174 let alone the old “crackerhead” word on it ? Old Crackerhead would be an awesome name for a brand of Kentucky whiskey.

175 Obama marched with the New Black Panthers.

Black Panthers can't be racist.  They're black.

176 177 As a kid,I only new them under another name.I also used to sing a certain version of "Eeny meeny,miny mo".I denounce myself.

177 Black Panthers can't be racist. They're black. Posted by: The Official AoSHQ Arbiter of Racism at October 06, 2011 04:41 PM (QKKT0) And real swift dressers

178 OT/ Okay, AmishDude.  What have you done?

179 Maybe the rock was part of a formation in which people painted the lyrics of some popular rap song?

180

Posted by: The Official AoSHQ Arbiter of Racism at October 06, 2011 04:37 PM (QKKT0)

Sambo is a South Indian boy who encounters four hungry tigers, and surrenders his colourful new clothes.

=

Sammy was a South Central boy in the hood who encountered 4 angry Bloods and surrendered his colorful new Nikes.

181 Perry hates negroes!
Perry loves illegal aliens!
Perry hates social security!
Perry loves Big-Tardisil!

What the fuck? I'm about ready to check out of this entire retarded spectacle. The intelligence surrounding this primary makes those douchebags on Lizard Lick Towing look like Carl Sagan and Stephen Fucking Hawking.

182

You know the MFM is really really really shoving up against the NY Times v. Sullivan line.  If I were Perry, I would respond to any questions about this by asking "Before I answer, I would like to see a picture of the rock post 1984.  I would like the names of those claiming to have seen the rock since that time.  If you refuse to provide that, then I am left with no choice but to assume that you are lying about this." 

Related, I think Random House is going to discover its in a universe of hurt over Palin's stalker's book.

183 187 OT/ Okay, AmishDude.  What have you done?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 06, 2011 04:42 PM (8y9MW)

Oh, it's the gay Amish.

There's also a band that goes around doing interior decorating.

184 >>2008: Romney, 2012: Perry -- more conservative running to frontrunner's right How is doubling down on a policy that conservatives hate and then calling people who don't agree with him "heartless" either more conservative or running to the right? Perry had the front runner status placed on a silver platter and he tossed it away.

185 The Republican circle jerk/circle firing squad lines up and takes aim.

186 Romney is parodying Perry again

OT: First Solyndra-related resignation- Head of DOE Loan Program to step-down

187 How is doubling down on a policy that conservatives hate

Conservatives in Texas don't hate it, apparently. 

188 191 How so,lawsuit?

189

were very much some strong inconsistencies...

I still think you are very much some strong RACIST!!11!

And resist we much.

 

190 Cain's been getting political training from Michael Steele.

191 How is doubling down on a policy that conservatives hate and then calling people who don't agree with him "heartless" either more conservative or running to the right?

Romneycare.  And that's only the tip of the iceberg.

192 There's also a band that goes around doing interior decorating.

Can you do that and still be Amish?

193 Even Malkin defended Perry on this.

194 @196 That may be true, but Perry needs to be worried about conservatives in other states.

195 Fuck this stupid rock controversy.

I'd like Governor Perry to explain the dead Native Americans that you just know are buried somewhere on the land that his family leased.

196 @195
Presidential. 

197 I still do not understand why people, people who pay attention, people who frequent blogs like Ace and either know the records of the candidates or have the means to discover them, can let the deciding factor for their political support fall to 30 second sound-bite answers to questions posed by liberals.

Are you suggesting that there is so little difference between Romney's record and Perry's that you have to base your decision on a debate?  Many people here have posted that Perry does well in longer interviews without time-limited answers but, damn it, if he can't think up a folksy quip in a debate setting then I'm going for the RINO.  I just don't get that.

I supported Perry before he entered the race and I continue to support him but, then again, I don't think Romney is to Perry's right on immigration or anything else.

198 I'm pretty sure Perry was a fucking Democrat when he first saw the rock in question. Correct?

199

Rick Perry gave me a atomic wedgie in high school. 

And paint the "N" word on my rock.

 

200 Can you do that and still be Amish?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 06, 2011 04:46 PM (8y9MW)

They decorate in all grays.

201 A town a few miles from me has an old school building.  Sign reads Coon School, no marches or riots as of yet...keep it on the lowdown as we dont need Al Sharptons bullhorn round here.

202 shhh, I'm hiding from La Raza...

203 I'm pretty sure Perry was a fucking Democrat when he first saw the rock in question. Correct?

Perry was from the abstaining Democrat wing.

204 Okay, my brief support for Cain just evaporated.  I'm back with Perry and I never should have wavered.  He's been a great governor.

205 And paint the "N" word on my rock. Posted by: Herman Cain at October 06, 2011 04:48 PM (8ieXv) Nuclear?

206 I ate at Sambo's when I was a kid, so I'm officially racist to the core. But now I know where butter comes from.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at October 06, 2011 04:34 PM

Do I owe reparations for eating Aunt Jemima pancakes?

Well, Sharpton will have to take an IOU because I can't even afford to buy him a haircut right now

207 That may be true, but Perry needs to be worried about conservatives in other states

Well, at least Rick has a decade of practice making some conservatives happy.  Mitt has yet to demonstrate the willingness or aptitude to make any conservatives happy. 

208 ABO, then ABR.

Wasn't a fan of Perry, but I am thinking about hopping on board just to stop obamny.

209 @206 I'm not lukewarm toward Perry because of his debate performance, but because of his la raza defense of his dream act, although I'm told he has actually said he wasn't "fair" to opponents by labeling them heartless.

210 Mitt Romney is opposed to instate tuition for illegal immigrants.  He doesn't want a lawncare crew with college degrees.

211 The debate format sucks and I want it changed,also no more debates on clearly hostile networks.That being said,Perry has still been lousy.He's not losing my support but he is losing the support of the general public who only know him from these debates.

212 Jolly Rancher is famous for their watermelon flavor. Somehow this is racist. It just has to be.

213 >>Conservatives in Texas don't hate it, apparently. Yep. They love the cheap labor illegals offer. The problem Perry created for himself was not the actual issue. Many people seem so desperate to believe he is the conservative savior they were willing to give him a pass on it if he hadn't screwed up the answer so badly. All he had to do was throw down the 10th Amendment argument, one people don't seem to give other candidates, and he would have been fine with many. But doubling down with the heartless crack is what cost him and continues to cost him.

214 I would cheer if Perry during the debate said "Funny how my dad renting a hunting lodge in the 80s that had a rock with a racist word painted on it is relevant news in the time of 9% unemployment and trillion dollar deficits, but somehow Obama sitting for 20 years in the pews of a church where the words "white folks greed runs a world in need" and racist conspiracy theories about the CIA inventing AIDS to kill black people are greeted with wild applease is A-OK with Democrats and so called journalists at the Washington Post...cough excuse me but I repeat myself."

215 Yep. They love the cheap labor illegals offer.

I'm trying to ascertain how charging in-state tuition to a few thousand college students increases the pool of cheap illegal labor.  Perhaps you can explain. 

216 @222 Exactly, and yet diehard Perry supporters think those offended by Perry's accusation of heartlessness and bigotry are the problem.

217 224 It's an encouragement for illegals to come to Texas.

218 Remember when SCOAMF excused his relationship with Billy the Bomber with "I cannot be held responsible for acts that occurred when I was 8 years old"?

Neither does the MBM

219 I've said many times,NO,NONE,NEVER,any benefits for anyone here illegally.Only a quick deportation back whence they came.

220 Rev Wright? I just stopped into his church to use the bathroom once. I cannot be held responsible

221 214 And paint the "N" word on my rock.



Posted by: Herman Cain at October 06, 2011 04:48 PM (8ieXv)

Nuclear?

Posted by: joncelli at October 06, 2011 04:49 PM (RD7QR)

No...GARDASIL!!

222 if he can't think up a folksy quip in a debate setting then I'm going for the RINO.  I just don't get that.

I get it, they never had any intention of supporting anyone but a liberal to begin with.

223 @227
Citation please.

But I'm still wondering how a kid studying at UT is making a major impact on Texas labor. 

224 >>I'm trying to ascertain how charging in-state tuition to a few thousand college students increases the pool of cheap illegal labor. Perhaps you can explain. I believe steevy just answered your question. Look at what's going on right now in Alabama. You make an area friendly for illegals and they will come. You make it unfriendly and they leave.

225 It's an encouragement for illegals to come to Texas.

Totally. You always see a spike in border jumping just before rush week.

226 Posted by: buzzion at October 06, 2011 04:49 PM (GULKT)

LMAO!

227 Totally. You always see a spike in border jumping just before rush week.

228 Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 06, 2011 04:42 PM (8y9MW)

An Amish hair-cutting gang led by a man named Sam Mullett.


It doesn't get much better than that.

229 234 Yep.

230 "I don't think that we need somebody out there who is going to be offended all the damned time.  People in general are offended all the time about bullshit the way it is.  It's a sign of the times that needs to come to an end.  I hope Cain can realize that and can grow some nads and get the hell over it." The worst part about it to me is that Cain wasn't bothered at all about the racist crap the Dems and the left have been throwing his way. Every time he's asked about it, he shrugs it off. But that he thinks he has to chime in on this obvious smear is troublesome.

231 235 touche'

232 But I'm still wondering how a kid studying at UT is making a major impact on Texas labor. 

Posted by: Y-not at October 06, 2011 04:54 PM (5H6zj)

Actually, they're not.

Barring illegals from UT is good for them.

233 What did the do with the sword they pulled from the rock.

234 "Cain desperately wants Perry to acknowledge him.  If this becomes a Perry/Cain fight, Romney wins.  You can only attack somebody if they're ahead of you or it's a two-man race.

Posted by: AmishDude at October 06, 2011 04:29 PM (T0NGe)"

Yup.  we know the facts.  Perry has a strong record and is clearly not a racist to those who actually are honest about his record.  Perry should barely even dignify this crap.

If Cain wants Romney to be the nominee, that's something to keep an eye on.  But I think the ball is in Cain's court to dispel the notion he's just a spoiler.

I am not itching for Perry to take Cain on.  That could burn Perry's support with those who don't trust Romney.

I've noticed that Perry's worst issues came first.  I've heard some people muse that this is Perry's strategy.  His rapid loss in support was, then, as aspect of his strategy.  Sounds kinda stupid to me, but maybe it was inevitable.

Romney's flip flops are no longer newsworthy.  Many have accepted them years ago.  Perry's problems need a little time to be accepted.

Obviously this is just one part of the issue.  Perry's lost support because of his gaffes, and that's no plan at all.  But those counting Perry out are completely wrong, and some of them, at least, are doing this as a strategy to boost Romney.

235 It's pretty easy to *seem* conservative as governor of Texas. Even democrat gov's of Texas are pretty conservative. Alternatively, any republican is going to look like a RINO as governor of MA. Context is important here.

236 OT: Senate Democrats Plan to Block McConnell's Jobs Vote

Reid wants to pass his rewrite of Obama's proposals.

Dem leaders to meet with Obama at 5:30pm

237 Mind you,I'm still for Perry.I don't like the pandering to illegals.It smacks of Bush and his compassionate conservative crowd.

238

I just can't see how anyone can support Romney after he created the blue print for Obamma care. The number one goal in this country should be repealing Obamacare. Thats the lynch pin holding this big shit pile together. If we can get rid of that, then this country has a chance of staying more or less the land of the free.

Romney doesn't even list it as his top 5 post election plans. He won't get rid of Obama care, he'll just roll it back a little and "fix it"

239

191 How so,lawsuit?

Yup.  There's at least one email in which that vermin tells a source that he needs facts and proof of the rumors because the lawyers want that since right now all anything is is a rumor.  No facts or proof were provided but the rumors were printed anyway.  If that's not reckless disregard and actual malice, well, it's impossible to think what would be.

240 Again: How in the wide world of sports is Romney tougher on illegal immigration than Perry?
Also: How is it possible that Perry is a racist for walking by a rock on someone else's land but Romney is not for belonging to a church that didn't give full membership to blacks until 1978?

If Perry is a racist for that, then that makes Romney the current head of the KKK. And you need to ask yourselves--Cain and Romney supporters--why that is not a story right now. Why are they holding that back? 'Cause they sure as shit didn't hold back on the religious bashing last go-round when it was Huckabee helping McCain.

241 The fuckin Hostages degenerates are loose in the HQ. Every thread's the ONT thread for those knuckledraggers.

242 But that he thinks he has to chime in on this obvious smear is troublesome.

Posted by: Mandy P. refuses to watch the SCOAMF at October 06, 2011 04:56 PM (qFpRI)

He was just too eager to bash Perry.  Herman should realize that our #1 enemy is the media and if you aid and abet them, you start losing conservative support.

243 @218 I agree that Perry is weaker on immigration than I'd like.  I don't agree that any of the others are better.  At best they've never had to deal with the issue and therefore can say anything to please the primary audiences. 

Perry, at least, has for the past several years consistently called for the Feds to deal with the border.  I'd prefer that he was a wholehearted supporter of E-Verify but I can live with that.  And all of that is better than a guy that I don't believe would do anything at all to remove ObamaCare.

Further, the attacks that Romney and Cain have made on Perry show them to be people who will do anything to win and I don't want people like that near the White House.

244 Funny group!!

245 I'm trying to ascertain how charging in-state tuition to a few thousand college students increases the pool of cheap illegal labor.  Perhaps you can explain.

Being generous, it's the idea that they're here illegally, and so shouldn't get any of the benefits citizens do.  Something with which I more or less agree, actually.  That is, it's part of the "draw" to come across the border.

Honestly, though, I doubt many people coming across illegally are persuaded by the prospect that their kids, 3+ years in the future, will be eligible for in-state tuition.

246 250 Great,I hope the publishers get bled dry for printing that stack of shit.

247 @251
Yeah, I am surprised any Romney supporters are pushing this race thing. 

248 Romney will sign a bill repealing Obamacare from a republican congress. Take it to the bank.

249

You put the "N" word on a rock??!! Can you even tell me what the "N" word on a rock does for my campign??!! Of all the stupid....

 

250 Cain may be a great businessman but when it comes to the bloodsport of politics he is a bit naive. He is letting the MFM play him.

251 I once found a potato shaped like Charlie Rangel, but I diced it up and roasted it with a chicken, so I guess I'm racist.

252 @245 Ann Richards sure as hell didn't seem conservative as governor of Texas

253 256 Everything should be closed to them,all services,it should be made clear they are unwanted.Illegal in fact.Go home.

254 If this becomes a Perry/Cain fight, Romney wins

Cain = Huckabee
Romney = McCain
Perry = Romney

Then who is Sarah Palin?

255

You know the MFM is really really really shoving up against the NY Times v. Sullivan line.  If I were Perry, I would respond to any questions about this by asking "Before I answer, I would like to see a picture of the rock post 1984.  I would like the names of those claiming to have seen the rock since that time.  If you refuse to provide that, then I am left with no choice but to assume that you are lying about this." 

Related, I think Random House is going to discover its in a universe of hurt over Palin's stalker's book.

Posted by: alexthechick at October 06, 2011 04:43 PM (VtjlW)

 

As Rush has said, repubs should not even accept the premise of many of these accusations.  Donald Rumsfield is the master at this.  

256 Romney's flip-flops haven't been aired out this campaign except in that brief episode where Perry talked about his book and the changes in it from hardback to paperback. The fact is that Romney has flipped on everything from healthcare to amnesty. EVERYTHING. I can't think of a single conservative position that he now has that he hasn't reversed himself on.

I am waiting for someone to actually call him out on it, but as long as we continue to debate worthless shit in 30 sec sound bites it will never come up. Maybe that is the point.

257 How about a resolution calling for the impeachment of Jesse Jackson Jr. for suggesting a resolution that clearly violates the constitution's protection against government interference with speech?

258 245 It's pretty easy to *seem* conservative as governor of Texas. Even democrat gov's of Texas are pretty conservative. Alternatively, any republican is going to look like a RINO as governor of MA. Context is important here.

It seems to me the context is that Romney has never had to govern in a way that pleased conservatives. He was a one and done govern of a lefty state.  During that time, he oversaw the implementation of a massive government intervention in health care.  Since that time, he has refused to admit that it was a disaster for that state both in terms of economics and health care delivery.  But we're supposed to trust that he's going to govern as a conservative?

259 248 Mind you,I'm still for Perry.I don't like the pandering to illegals.It smacks of Bush and his compassionate conservative crowd.

Posted by: steevy at October 06, 2011 04:56 PM (fyOgS)

One thing about Perry that you can't say about Romney or even Cain, he won't spend one second trying to curry the favor of the WaPo or NYT.

I'm concerned about how the candidate will react to problems we don't know about yet.  What are his leanings?  What are his tendencies? Romney definitely wants the Smart Set to like him.

260 >>Yeah, I am surprised any Romney supporters are pushing this race thing. You aren't. It's a dumb issue. Perry is not a racist. What you will see is people pointing out that Perry is not handling controversies well.

261 Since that time, he has refused to admit that it was a disaster for that state both in terms of economics and health care delivery.  But we're supposed to trust that he's going to govern as a conservative?

Posted by: Y-not at October 06, 2011 05:01 PM (5H6zj)

That's his biggest problem.  He hasn't even given conservatives a reach-around during this campaign.

262
But doubling down with the heartless crack is what cost him and continues to cost him.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 06, 2011 04:50 PM (TMB3S)

No, he is not "doubling down." He has apologized for that comment. Others here have pointed that out. That you refuse to accept it says more about you and your willingness to burn an overall conservative over nothing than it does about him.

263

Would this the right time for a bit of Alabama history concerning what was once a compliment?

At one time, when one *ahem* _ _ _ _ _ _- rigged a piece of farm equipment, it was done in the field as a quick fix, on the cheap, to get the job done. In short, it worked until proper repairs could be done, and was a point of pride and admiration

Today? Not so much.

And I already pre- and post-denounced myself.

264 If you mean an illegal alien studying at UT, theoretically id does not since it will be illegal for the student to have a job. But I guess that is considered irrelevant or this would not be an issue.

I'm just wondering how many hours several thousand university students account for in the labor market when they're taking classes. 

I can see people believe that this law enticed people over the border, but I see no evidence that that is the case. 

265 It's pretty easy to *seem* conservative as governor of Texas. Even democrat gov's of Texas are pretty conservative. Alternatively, any republican is going to look like a RINO as governor of MA. Context is important here.

You've got it exactly backwards.  Governors reflect their constituents.  If Romney had been "Conservative!!!11!!1!" he would never have been elected Governor of Massachusetts.  On the other hand, if Perry weren't pretty Conservative, he wouldn't have been elected Governor of Texas.

The reason Democrat Governors (which, by the way, it's been nearly a Generation since we've had one.  Perry for 11 years so far (if I'm counting right) and Bush for 6) have been fairly conservative in Texas is that the liberal ones didn't win.

266 268 Romney's flip-flops haven't been aired out this campaign except in that brief episode where Perry talked about his book and the changes in it from hardback to paperback. The fact is that Romney has flipped on everything from healthcare to amnesty. EVERYTHING. I can't think of a single conservative position that he now has that he hasn't reversed himself on.

I am waiting for someone to actually call him out on it, but as long as we continue to debate worthless shit in 30 sec sound bites it will never come up. Maybe that is the point.

Posted by: Vic at October 06, 2011 05:00 PM (M9Ie6)

If you've heard a position of Romney's that you don't like.  Just look for a source 8 months later or 8 months before.  You'll probably find him giving an answer that you do like for it.

267 @274 You know, the endless accusation that somehow conservatives who object to Perry's rhetoric surrounding the dream act are the problem, or have a problem, is just absurd. Perry has the problem. And he needs to fix it or forget about the presidency.

268 You aren't. It's a dumb issue. Perry is not a racist. What you will see is people pointing out that Perry is not handling controversies well.

Sorry, JackStraw, but one of our most vocal Mitt supporters has repeatedly brought this issue up as one of judgment. 

The same judgment criterion could easily be applied to Mitt. 

269 Posted by: JackStraw at October 06, 2011 05:01 PM (TMB3S) That isn't strictly true, although I haven't seen any of the actual morons here jumping on the racist bandwagon. The petunia person who occasionally trolls for Romney over here was having a royal freak-out over this at HA the other day, though. Apparently, because Perry didn't personally smash the rock with a sledgehammer he is a big racist meanie. I've seen similar sentiments elsewhere.

270 But I'm still wondering how a kid studying at UT is making a major impact on Texas labor.


Why should illegal residents get to attend a TX state university at all? Let them attend UNAM (Universidad Nacional Autonoma de Mexico). There is a campus in San Antonio. 

Let them travel to Mexico or wherever they came from. That would allow them to experience the rich cultures of those countries instead of having closed-minded education here in the New Aztlan.

271 "Look at what's going on right now in Alabama. You make an area friendly for illegals and they will come. You make it unfriendly and they leave.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 06, 2011 04:54 PM (TMB3S)"

That's why I think Perry and Texas's near unanimous view is wrong.  But then, the facts show this didn't make a big difference.  States without this policy have seen a large increase in illegals.  There appears to be no correlation on this issue, and I think it's pretty unlikely even one single person illegally came to Texas specifically so their kid can one day pay in state tuition, who would otherwise not have come.

they come because they want to feed their families, and Mexico is hell.

"The worst part about it to me is that Cain wasn't bothered at all about the racist crap the Dems and the left have been throwing his way. Every time he's asked about it, he shrugs it off. But that he thinks he has to chime in on this obvious smear is troublesome. Posted by: Mandy P. refuses to watch the SCOAMF at October 06, 2011 04:56 PM (qFpRI"

Ouch.  That's a good point, too.

272 272 >>Yeah, I am surprised any Romney supporters are pushing this race thing.

You aren't. It's a dumb issue. Perry is not a racist. What you will see is people pointing out that Perry is not handling controversies well.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 06, 2011 05:01 PM (TMB3S)

Tell that to polynikes, who was pushing this hard yesterday.  Demanding Perry's supporters offer an explanation.  He of course was next to clueless about the story beyond hearing about there being a rock with an offensive word on a property Perry has hunted on.

273

Dave at October 06, 2011 05:05 PM

 

Ah, the chief Mittens for POTUS poster is full speed ahead here today.

274 >>No, he is not "doubling down." He has apologized for that comment. Others here have pointed that out. That you refuse to accept it says more about you and your willingness to burn an overall conservative over nothing than it does about him. Only a politician you want to support can say something like "I probably shouldn't have used that word" and you take it as an apology. If I'm wrong, why has Perry sunk like a stone in the polls with conservatives? This place is not representative of the country at large, it is one heavily favorable to Perry. I'm not surprised people here are trying to find a way to give him a pass but he's going to have to win over a lot more people than just those on blogs if he's going to win.

275 Rick Perry: He may not like n*, but he just loves compesinos.

276 Well, we're getting no where on this, but that's fine.  There's nothing to this controversy and Cain has overplayed it, so I suspect it will kind of help Rick a bit, as the Gardasil thing probably did (by making him out to be pro-science). 

On to the next debate. 

277 More democratic bullshit.The dems where always racists until the black folk got the right to vote and THEN the demorats turned 180 into accusing the Republicans of being racists.  Richard M Nixon pushed more for civil rights when he was a congressman and the demorats kept figthing it.  Read Ann Colters book and open you eyes.
Their "MOB RULE" is still in action right now in NYC.  Never mind that "Wall Street" gave all of their money to Barak Oba-mobster.

278 "Perry has the problem. And he needs to fix it or forget about the presidency.

Posted by: Dave at October 06, 2011 05:05 PM (Xm1aB)"

OK.

But in favor of whom?  A race card player?  Romney, who has no ideology to speak of and is probably weaker on border control (I ignore everything Romney says)?

In 2008, the right rejected candidate after candidate for being 90% or 75% on our side.  And we wound up with Mccain, who is on our side 50% of the time on domestic policy.

If you're rejecting Perry, you might get Romney.  That is a bad result.  Perry does have the problem.  Perry does need to fix it.  You are right.  Frankly, anyone who can't beat Romney with the facts we've got may be a terrible national politician.

279 You know, the endless accusation that somehow conservatives who object to Perry's rhetoric surrounding the dream act are the problem, or have a problem, is just absurd.

We don't do that, though: we point out- patiently and correctly, that he's apologized.  You (or those on your side) ignore that just say it again, and again.  We don't have a problem that his "heartless" comment made you mad- it didn't make us happy, either.  We have a problem that you seem to have made it your "hill to die on" where you'd rather let Mittens win the nomination than accept the numerous apologies Perry has offered.

280 Perry or Cain.  Romney is dead to me ever since the 2008 elections.  Plus the fact that he hasn't done shit since then.

281 "That you refuse to accept it says more about you and your willingness to burn an overall conservative over nothing than it does about him."

Overall conservatives do not prefer Romney to Perry on ideology  That's just a fact.  It's not open to discussion. 

282 Link in my name to Weasel Zipper.  Bill Ayers has written a manifesto for the Wall Street hooligans.  Just a guy in Obamas neighborhood.

283 >>The same judgment criterion could easily be applied to Mitt. Yes, and you as one of Perry's most vocal supporters here do it all the time. I'm pretty sure most people now know that the Mormon church didn't allow blacks to be leaders of the church 30 years ago. Blacks got bad treatment in many places 30 years ago and less. It's not a good issue for anyone to try and score points off.

284 "Plus the fact that he hasn't done shit since then.

Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at October 06, 2011 05:11 PM (Bx5t7)"

Every time a hard issue has come up, Romney has been MIA until it's resolved.  All the leaders fight it out.  Paul Ryan, Palin, Cantor, and then after it's done, here comes Romney with a statement that happens to be exactly what we wanted to hear a month back.

Perfect strategy for the guy who thinks it's his turn to be our nominee, but the opposite of leadership.

285

Would this the right time for a bit of Alabama history concerning what was once a compliment?

At one time, when one *ahem* _ _ _ _ _ _- rigged a piece of farm equipment, it was done in the field as a quick fix, on the cheap, to get the job done. In short, it worked until proper repairs could be done, and was a point of pride and admiration

Today? Not so much.

Right.  that was not too different from American know how.  But thaty's an outdated concept, too.

286 This place is not representative of the country at large, it is one heavily favorable to Perry. I'm not surprised people here are trying to find a way to give him a pass but he's going to have to win over a lot more people than just those on blogs if he's going to win.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 06, 2011 05:08 PM (TMB3S)

 

Spoken like a true community organizer.

287

If you're rejecting Perry, you might get Romney. 

Posted by: Dustin at October 06, 2011 05:10 PM (fF625)

You will get Romney.  Cain just shot himself in the foot head today with his comments on possibly being Perry's VP.  Based on money and support, it is a two man race from here on out.

288 I can't be a racist. I married a dago.

289 Yeah I'd figure the same people would accuse me of inferring Perry was a racist. I said I questioned Perry's judgement as a politician to continue to renew this hunting lease at a camp that continued to be known as N-head even after the offending rock was painted over.

290 >>Plus the fact that he hasn't done shit since then. This is why I have a hard time taking some of the criticism of Romney seriously. No national figure campaigned harder or raised more money for more candidates in the Republican Party in 2010 than Romney. People like Nikki Haley, Alan West, Marco Rubio, Chris Christie, Scott Walker and on and on and on. That seems like a pretty important thing to me.

291

Yes, and you as one of Perry's most vocal supporters here do it all the time. I'm pretty sure most people now know that the Mormon church didn't allow blacks to be leaders of the church 30 years ago. Blacks got bad treatment in many places 30 years ago and less.

It's not a good issue for anyone to try and score points off.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 06, 2011 05:11 PM (TMB3S)

God you're full of it.  Y-Not never mentioned that until the Romney-bots started going Full-Bachman about the rock.

292 @291 Well I was told repeatedly by Perry supporters that he had "apologized" when in fact he had simply apologized for being too passionate. Then today, you advise he said he "wasn't fair" to opponents of the dream act and cite yid the lid or some such source. First I've heard of it, but good on him if he said that. That's not "repeatedly" apologizing, sorry. That's apologizing, maybe--I haven't seen a transcript of video--once.

293 What about the Cracker Barrel, huh?! What the FUCK is that all about?!

294

Bill Ayers has written a manifesto for the Wall Street hooligans. 

That is less of a manifesto, and more of a nebulous, rambling, incoherent list of complaints.

295 If demorats are not racist, where are the public housing sites in "Marthaaas Vineyord" 

296 I said I questioned Perry's judgement as a politician to continue to renew this hunting lease at a camp that continued to be known as N-head even after the offending rock was painted over.

Totally. Until he comes clean with exactly how many coats of paint were used, I don't know how America could be comfortable with him. Also, why didn't he sandblast the rock before painting? Was the paint made in America?
Did the color used to paint the rock have any racist overtones? Does he still eat Brazil nuts? A lot of really important questions still out there America.

297 >>God you're full of it. Y-Not never mentioned that until the Romney-bots started going Full-Bachman about the rock. Oh bullshit. There are a couple "Romneybots" here. 98% Perrybots. Nobody went nuts on Perry calling him a racist. Y-Not has been slamming Romney since the day she came out for Perry. Who cares. It's a blog. Guess what? Perry has done a shit job since he got into the race saying dumb things and giving weak answers. It's being pointed out everywhere not just by a couple Romneybots here. And if Romneybots went Full-Bachman on this issue as you claim then finding a couple examples must be easy to find.

298 "This is why I have a hard time taking some of the criticism of Romney seriously. No national figure campaigned harder or raised more money for more candidates in the Republican Party in 2010 than Romney."

HAHAHAHAHAHA


HAHAHAHAHA

Campaigned harder?  No one has campaigned harder than Mitt Romney?  What did he have to say about Obamacare before it passed?  What did he have to say about finance reform before it passed?  Where was this guy when the debt ceiling #compromise issue came up?

He was nowhere!

Yes, Romney has great skill with raising money.  He is incredibly well connected and hails from a dynasty family that has been close with one of the other GOP dynasties since the Nixon admin.  His mom was a major candidate.  His dad was a major politician and repeat governor.  He has all the right phone numbers to raise money.

That Is Not Leadership. 

It's great that Romney has raised money.  That's important too.  But the idea you can't take someone seriously for stating the absolute truth that Romney has been MIA on the debates of the past five years shows you're not handling Romney criticism fairly.

Romney deserves that criticism so very much.

299 This is why I have a hard time taking some of the criticism of Romney seriously. No national figure campaigned harder or raised more money for more candidates in the Republican Party in 2010 than Romney.
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Campaigning is not a resume-builder for the office of president. 

It wasn't for Obama.  It wasn't for Palin.  And it's not for Romney.

To be frank, even when I was vocally backing Romney, I was uncomfortable with his increasingly dusty resume.  He didn't even have to win an election to do so.  Romney certainly had the time and resources to do something like Jack Kemp and start a think-tank.  It could have focussed on health care, which is supposed to be Romney's area of expertise.  Hell, he could have started a charitable foundation that seeded pilot projects in communities to try innovative solutions to health care access or costs.  Shit, I would have been happy with a 160-page long dissection on the failures of Masscare.  He's done none of that.  He defends Masscare and he doubled-down on ethanol.  He's still weak on the second amendment and an AGW believer (his quotes on the desirability of us trying to emulate the Euros and Japanese on energy consumption sound straight out of the Obama administration.) 

But the thing (aside from Masscare and ethanol) that has me most pissed off is his scare-mongering on Social Security.  That's unforgivable because it hamstrings anyone's attempts at reforming it. 

300 What about the Cracker Barrel, huh?! What the FUCK is that all about?! This weekend, it's your turn in there.

301 "If demorats are not racist, where are the public housing sites in "Marthaaas Vineyord" A quick google search indicates eight public apartment complexes in Tisbury for low to moderate income Americans. P.S. You're illiterate.

302 "I said I questioned Perry's judgement as a politician to continue to renew this hunting lease at a camp that continued to be known as N-head even after the offending rock was painted over."

Why?  What if the hunting was good there?  It was just graffiti. 

"Guess what? Perry has done a shit job since he got into the race saying dumb things and giving weak answers."

He's only had a few gaffes, and I think he wants these issues to come out as early as possible so he can build up, instead of be clobbered at the last second.  I think Perry is a much smarter man than Mitt Romney, and that's why Perry has won so many elections, and Romney's lost most of his.  It's also why Perry has governed effectively and Romney was simply awful.

Did Romney's leadership greatly harm gun rights?  yes.  He banned some guns and increased the MA gun tax by 400% to $100 per gun, leading democrats to cheer how gun registration under Romney plummeted.  Wow, what an asshole. 

Did Romney's leadership move MA to the left?  Romney helped force people to buy health insurance because the government thinks that's the government's decision, not yours.  MA's spending went up, as did taxes, and Romney's excuse is that he doesn't call it a tax increase then citizens and businesses are paying the government much more money.

Perry, on the other hand, cut spending and ran an effective administration for a long time, having gotten there by being highly effective on appropriations as a fiscal conservative, and being highly effective as ag commish, leading him to be the first Republican LT Gov, where Perry began a long term campaign to change Texas's constitution for massive tort reform.

Now, Perry wants a balanced budget amendment added to the US constitution, and major reforms to entitlements, and a secure border with realistic measures.

He's a cut above Romney.

303

" I'm pretty sure most people now know that the Mormon church didn't allow blacks to be leaders of the church 30 years ago."

 

I really didn't know that there are members of the LDS church that are non white.

304

Oh bullshit. There are a couple "Romneybots" here. 98% Perrybots. Nobody went nuts on Perry calling him a racist. Y-Not has been slamming Romney since the day she came out for Perry. Who cares. It's a blog.

Apparently you care.  And yeah there are so few Romneybots here, so when they start throwing out the stuff it gets noticed.

And really I must ask why is Romney so interested in moving to a city where the football team uses a pejorative term for a mascot?  Didn't his political advisors tell him how bad that looks to be persuing a residence in an area with such an insensitive association?

Guess what? Perry has done a shit job since he got into the race saying dumb things and giving weak answers. It's being pointed out everywhere not just by a couple Romneybots here. And if Romneybots went Full-Bachman on this issue as you claim then finding a couple examples must be easy to find.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 06, 2011 05:25 PM (TMB3S

Yeah Perry's given some weak answers.  But I think he could at least answer if he loved his mother in less than a minute and you would know whether he does or not.  Mitt Romney couldn't.

305 @315 Of course you didn't know that.

306 Oh bullshit. There are a couple "Romneybots" here. 98% Perrybots. Nobody went nuts on Perry calling him a racist. Y-Not has been slamming Romney since the day she came out for Perry.

I think the point is that I never raised the issue of Romney's church's teachings on men of African descent fitness to serve in the priesthood until his supporters decided to make an issue of this rock thing.

307

"Of course you didn't know that."

Nor do I give a shit.

308 >>To be frank, even when I was vocally backing Romney, I was uncomfortable with his increasingly dusty resume. Oh ok. >>But the thing (aside from Masscare and ethanol) that has me most pissed off is his scare-mongering on Social Security. That's unforgivable because it hamstrings anyone's attempts at reforming it. Ridiculous. Romney has been saying repeatedly since the beginning of the campaign that he wanted to do just that, reform SS. He has talked about means testing, CPI revisions, increasing the age before people qualify, and other options. Perry wrote a book and made public appearances where he said SS was unconstitutional and it should be given over to the states. That was his stated position. If he believes what he said he should stand up for those beliefs and explain how that would work. The idea that politicians aren't going to attack each others previous positions or actions is absurd. You don't seem t have any problem with Perry attacking Romney. Why doesn't Romney get to do the same to Perry?

309 >>Apparently you care. And yeah there are so few Romneybots here, so when they start throwing out the stuff it gets noticed If it was so obvious go find one. I'll wait. >>Yeah Perry's given some weak answers. But I think he could at least answer if he loved his mother in less than a minute and you would know whether he does or not. Mitt Romney couldn't. And yet, Romney has kicked the shit out of Perry in all 3 debates.

310

The idea that politicians aren't going to attack each others previous positions or actions is absurd. You don't seem t have any problem with Perry attacking Romney. Why doesn't Romney get to do the same to Perry?

Posted by: JackStraw at October 06, 2011 05:35 PM (TMB3S)

Well for one, Perry is attacking Romney from a conservative position.  Romney is attacking Perry like a Democrat.  Or at least he is this month.  He might have changed his mind by December.

311 "Perry, on the other hand, cut spending and ran an effective administration for a long time, having gotten there by being highly effective on appropriations as a fiscal conservative, " Yes... he cut state spending from $109B in 2000 to $190B today. Obviously, Texas has grown in that time and her government has grown with her. I'm sure Perry can point to specific programs he's reduced or zeroed, but to say he cut spending is a lie I'm sick of hearing.

312 It fascinates me how Romney fans attempt to build Romney's support.

I think they do it by demonizing the very folks Romney needs, hoping to divide us to the point where we have to choose Romney as a last resort.

It's quite arrogant.

Donate to Perry if you give a crap about this.  $20.  Skip a few drinks and do something for the country.

313 At least the issue raised that the LDS did not allow black priests until 1978 is an accurate factoid. The other half truth, out of context , opinion as fact bullshit that you guys sling around here is just that. Bullshit.

314 "Yes... he cut state spending from $109B in 2000 to $190B today. Obviously, Texas has grown in that time and her government has grown with her. I'm sure Perry can point to specific programs he's reduced or zeroed, but to say he cut spending is a lie I'm sick of hearing.

Posted by: Jordan at October 06, 2011 05:41 PM (XJYf4)"

It is not a lie, Jordan, and I am not a liar.  Go to the Texas comptroller and see how practically every single Texan agency's budget has been cut.  Even education has been cut, and Texan education remains highly effective.  In fact, improving.  Sometimes, government is actually more effective with less money.

If you remove the federal mandates Texas has no control over, indeed, Perry is the first post WWII governor to see our per capita government shrink.

"Texas has grown in that time and her government has grown with her."

LOL.  I see what you did there.  Texas spends $45 for every $1000 I earn.  That number has gone DOWN under Perry's leadership.  That number went UP under Romney's, to over $65, which means MA is 50% worse than Texas and Romney was part of the problem while Perry was part of the solution.

These are simply facts.  Not lies.  Sophistry to try to confuse people into giving up an analysis is the only Romney argument.  Perry gets no credit, or Romney was in a blue state so he can't be blamed... crap like that.

The idea no one is familiar with the THOUSANDS of cuts to Texas agencies in the past eleven years is sad.  Just sad.  Anyone saying that didn't do enough homework to speak about this issue.

Texas factbook, or Texas comptroller's website.  Do your homework and see if I'm telling the truth.

315

Well:

302 Yeah I'd figure the same people would accuse me of inferring Perry was a racist.

I said I questioned Perry's judgement as a politician to continue to renew this hunting lease at a camp that continued to be known as N-head even after the offending rock was painted over.

Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 06, 2011 05:17 PM (3YCP0)

Oh wait you created a strawman where you assumed I was claiming that it was claims that Perry was a racist.  No wonder you like Romney, you want to argue like a democrat.

I'm sorry.  I didn't do that.  Polynikes wants to claim that.  But that wasn't what was done.  I was talking about the retarded (full-bachman) actions of Romney-bots going after Perry for this.  Because if Romney supporters want to make an issue of this, I find joining a church that excluded blacks to be much worse than Perry hunting on a property owned by a children's charity.

316 BTW, if Romney's shills are going to ignore Texan growth, then that really underlines Texas's success on employment.  We've added so many jobs, that if your denominator is Texas's population at the start of Perry's governorship, we have negative 20% unemployment.

Meanwhile, MA's stagnant population added very few jobs.

Texas grew because MA businesses and jobs came to Texas because Texas is led with conservative policy.  Those bashing this are actually bashing conservatism.

317 >>It fascinates me how Romney fans attempt to build Romney's support. >>I think they do it by demonizing the very folks Romney needs, hoping to divide us to the point where we have to choose Romney as a last resort. >>It's quite arrogant. Holy shit. Do you own a mirror? Slamming Romney and his supporters on this blog is a 7x24 activity. Don't you think some of us who support him get tired of that non-stop shit? Unbelievable. Perry supporters have been relentless and often wrong in their attacks on Romney, is that arrogant or just part of the process?

318

Yep, we're wrong for talking about how Romney is too chickenshit to call Obama a socialist or not.  We're wrong for talking about how Romney still supports MassCare.  We're wrong for calling Romney a flip-flopper.

Clearly we're wrong for thinking that a 3 term governor from a Red State would be a better Republican President than a 1 term governor from a Blue State.

319 293 "That you refuse to accept it says more about you and your willingness to burn an overall conservative over nothing than it does about him."

Overall conservatives do not prefer Romney to Perry on ideology  That's just a fact.  It's not open to discussion. 

Posted by: Dustin at October 06, 2011 05:11 PM (fF625)

Exactly. You don't get to say, "I'm an overall conservative and I support Romney over Perry because of illegal immigration."

Perry > Romney when it comes to being tough on illegal immigration. And for that matter, Cain's support of Romney based on this specific issue also makes it Perry > Cain when it comes to being tough on illegal immigration.

As was said above: Are we really going to burn a guy who is with us 75% to 95% of the time in favor of the guy who might be with us 50% of the time? Just like we did in 2008, that massive success?

320 Dustin, The numbers I see (the reported numbers) are as follows. I've deducted local spending, even though much of that comes from the state because it varies too much by year and by county. Those deductions actually make it look worse for Perry, since state government grew much faster than local government during this time. 2000 44.2 2001 47.5 2002 53.5 2003 59.1 2004 60.1 2005 63.8 2006 66.9 2007 68.7 2008 74.0 2009 75.2 2010 80.4 2011 77.7 As you can see, he actually did cut spending 2010-2011, but during his entire tenure, he's nearly *doubled* expenditures. I'm not going to crunch through the data any more, but the largest increases came from health care (12.5 - 27.4) and education spending (8.9 - 18.1). The cost of maintaining state pensions steadily rose as well

321 >.BTW, if Romney's shills are going to ignore Texan growth, then that really underlines Texas's success on employment. We've added so many jobs, that if your denominator is Texas's population at the start of Perry's governorship, we have negative 20% unemployment. >>Meanwhile, MA's stagnant population added very few jobs. Ah, now we're shills. Not arrogant, that. Romney took over a state that was bleeding jobs and unemployment was shooting above the national average. He took steps that reversed that trend, helped businesses grow and the unemployment rate go down. Perry didn't have that to deal with. He kept the policies in place from his predecessors. Nothing wrong with that but that's not the problem we face in the country which is the job Romney and Perry are competing for. Romney has laid out a plan for what he would do on jobs and the economy if elected. Perry hasn't. That's where the criticism comes from. >>Yep, we're wrong for talking about how Romney is too chickenshit to call Obama a socialist or not. We're wrong for talking about how Romney still supports MassCare. We're wrong for calling Romney a flip-flopper. In case you hadn't noticed, the race is for the President of the US not the President of tossing red meat to conservatives. The public at large doesn't like name calling from their Presidents. They want grownups. Romney has said many times the policies Obama is supporting are relics of socialist Europe. The same point without the name calling. And you know damn well if Romney started trashing the MA healthcare plan you and many here would just call him a flip flopper. Again. So why bother. He's doing a good job of defending it as a state plan, 10th Amendment just like Perry with his Dream Act. You're free to keep going over the same issues over and over and over. But so far, Romney is winning. Seems like he may not get your vote but he's getting a whole lot more than Perry.

322 "Holy shit. Do you own a mirror? Slamming Romney and his supporters on this blog is a 7x24 activity. Don't you think some of us who support him get tired of that non-stop shit?"

I assume you do.

But it's a different strategy.  We want conservatives to support the more conservative and much more accomplished leader.

"Unbelievable. Perry supporters have been relentless and often wrong in their attacks on Romney"

No, Romney really is a liberal tax and spend gun banning asshole who increased the gun tax 400% to $100 as democrats cheered gun registration plummeting.  And spending went up too.  There are so many reasons for a conservative to reject Romney.  We are not wrong about this at all.

Granted, it's ugly to have so much fighting.  I know a lot of Romney's fans really just want to beat Obama.  Let's not take it personally, OK?  We are on the same side for the most part.

323 Jordan looks like as the population in Texas grew, so did the cost of running the State. Perry kept the books almost in balance with raising taxes and fees as Mittens did. Plus Mitt got the benefit of some tax increases that his predecessor put in place that kicked in after he took office. Got some good revenue from those tax increases to help fuel the spending in Mass.

Plus his healthcare plan killed 18k jobs.

324

 

I'm in Missouri, so my primary vote is rather meaningless, however I suppose I would vote Perry over Romney at his point.

 

However, the insufferable vitriol of Perry true-believers could always change that.

 

Seems there were a lot of folks turned off Sarah because some of her supporters were hysterical.  Same with Paul.

 

Seems like Perry, and some of his supporters, are intent on alienating potential voters with unecessary and inflammatory rhetoric.

325 I guess I left out the big picture answer: if you look only at this year, he's cut spending by a little under three billion. However, if you look at his entire term, he increased it by $36B. To be fair, those numbers are not all that bad, given the increases came in areas like education (a tightly guarded prerogative of the legislature) and health care costs, something Perry has minimal control over.

326 >>But it's a different strategy. We want conservatives to support the more conservative and much more accomplished leader. Uh huh. http://tinyurl.com/3cetqkf

327 "I guess I left out the big picture answer: if you look only at this year, he's cut spending by a little under three billion. However, if you look at his entire term, he increased it by $36B."

In inflation adjusted per capita dollars, he is the ONLY modern governor in Texas history to reduce the cost of our government.

Period.

Sheesh.  This actually is one of Bachmann's favorite lies.

Perry has been governor for a long time, because unlike Romney, Perry was able to do this thing call 'be reelected'.  Inflation over a decade is a lot.  Success over a decade will mean massive changes in the number of people who want to live in the state Perry is government.

It's a big deal, and it's a BIG reason to support Perry, rather than a reason to play sophist.

328

You're free to keep going over the same issues over and over and over. But so far, Romney is winning. Seems like he may not get your vote but he's getting a whole lot more than Perry.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 06, 2011 06:05 PM (TMB3S)

Winning by talking about the same issues over and over and over again.  Never saying anything new, because he's McCain 2.0.  He's not interested in gaining more support beyond squishy north eastern types and moderates so he'll never actually really say anything in a debate beyond what he thinks people already know about him.  Can't even say anything of substance when he's answering a yes or no question and uses a full minute to do it.

And I'll vote for him one time.  And only one time.  And I'm hoping to God that I don't have to do that.  Just like I was thinking for McCain 4 years ago.

329 /sock

330 "To be fair, those numbers are not all that bad"

PATHETIC.

They are AWESOME.  Romney INCREASED SPENDING, Perry CUT SPENDING.

If you don't like Perry's fiscal record, you're crazy.  Why not try the other Romney argument, that Perry's success was automatic and easy (despite no one else doing nearly as well).

331 "Jordan looks like as the population in Texas grew, so did the cost of running the State." I said so in my first post, but let's take a closer look: Texas has grown under Perry by about four million people, call it a 25% increase, just for the sake of round numbers. State spending however, has grown by about 75%. I can't find hiring numbers, but I strongly suspect that the increases in spending are driven by post-911 state hiring coupled with the steep increases in the cost of medical care. (Those issues are closely tied, since the state provides medical insurance for many of its employees.)

332 Donate to Perry if you give a crap about this.  $20.  Skip a few drinks and do something for the country.

That's a lot to ask.

333 "To be fair, those numbers are not all that bad" PATHETIC. They are AWESOME. Romney INCREASED SPENDING, Perry CUT SPENDING." I'm not going to provide a breakdown year by year, but for the sake of reference, Romney increased spending 26.3 to 34.7 during his term. That's a much smaller increase than Perry. (Obviously, Perry's tenure is much longer, which has to be taken into account.)

334 >>Romney INCREASED SPENDING, Perry CUT SPENDING. No he didn't. In fact, when he took office the budget he inherited was almost $3 billion in the hole. He got the legislature to agree to let him redo it, something they had no duty to do, and he cut spending and got the budget back in balance. There were a total of about $240 million in increases in fees, marriage licenses went up about $25 bucks and hadn't been changed in decades, fees for moorings at the state parks went up a few bucks and some business tax loopholes were closed. This is something that Paul Ryan also has in his road map. During his term, he proposed lowering the state income tax 3 straight years. The liberals in the legislature overrode him but he did try. And he didn't raise spending.

335 Interesting that Jackstraw doesn't seem to want to mention the increase in gun licensing fees.

336 I think we're playing semantic games here. Both governors saw huge increases in state spending during their terms. Perry's 2010-2011 cuts are heartening, but after nine years of steady increases, they don't mean much. I think both men have weak credentials as fiscal conservatives. (As do G.W. B. and R. R.)

337 >>Interesting that Jackstraw doesn't seem to want to mention the increase in gun licensing fees. Sure. I'll mention it. Gun fees went up. As you noticed, I also mentioned mooring fees for boats went up. I own a boat. I'm not freaking out. Things have to get paid for. He cut spending buy about $2.75 billion and increased fees and closed loopholes in the business tax code by about $240 million. Barbara Anderson who runs Citizens for Limited Taxation and has been around long before the Tea Party and a harsh critic on the MA tax and spend culture loved Romney and what he did for the state. Are you suggesting that Perry never raised fees or business taxes during his time in Texas? You probably shouldn't. He did. He also was a big supporter of ethanol and farm subsidies when he was Agriculture secretary. He's since "flip flopped" on that. Or doesn't it count when Perry does it?

338 If Perry never changed his mind, he'd still be hunting at N*ggerhead ranch and managing Al Gore campaigns.

339

Are you suggesting that Perry never raised fees or business taxes during his time in Texas? You probably shouldn't. He did.

He also was a big supporter of ethanol and farm subsidies when he was Agriculture secretary. He's since "flip flopped" on that.

Or doesn't it count when Perry does it?

Posted by: JackStraw at October 06, 2011 06:42 PM (TMB3S)

I doubt Perry raised a fee by as much people are saying Romney raised gun licensing.  But then again its quite typical of you to be unable to talk about your candidate without bring up any other candidate. 

340 >>I doubt Perry raised a fee by as much people are saying Romney raised gun licensing. But then again its quite typical of you to be unable to talk about your candidate without bring up any other candidate. Oh please. You are talking about Romney and Perry and so am I. Stop trying to deflect the issue by pretending I'm just slamming Perry. That's weak. And you shouldn't doubt that Perry raised taxes more than Romney. He did. In 2006 he raised the cigarette tax by $1 a pack. That's an enormous tax. Just this year, he signed an online sales tax which was a brand new tax. And any new tax always goes up. When he was in the legislature, after he became a Republican, he voted to raise the sales tax from 4.125 to 6.25%. He's voted for dozens of tax increases and brand new taxes during his time in government.

341 Although I must say its quite funny that you apparently think your boy Mitt can do no wrong, and yet spend so much time going after people that support Perry for acting like he's perfect.  Especially when many of them have talked about things he's said and done that they don't really care for but they still think he's the best of the bunch.

342 No, you were talking about Romney's spending and taxes in Mass. and I was too.  And then you decided it needed to be compared to Perry because his actions just couldn't stand on their own in any way.

343

But it wasn't a racist rock, it was a racist rock lobster!

344 >>No, you were talking about Romney's spending and taxes in Mass. and I was too. And then you decided it needed to be compared to Perry because his actions just couldn't stand on their own in any way. No, actually. I was responding to Dustin who said that Perry cut spending and Romney raised it. You jumped in and decided to pile on. But the discussion was about Perry vs Romney. You can scroll up, it's not that far. Romney's actions seem to be doing ok with those that actually know the facts. He's winning.

345 "But it wasn't a racist rock, it was a racist rock lobster!" Whew! For a second there I thought you said racist rock star.

346 349 I think we're playing semantic games here. Both governors saw huge increases in state spending during their terms. Perry's 2010-2011 cuts are heartening, but after nine years of steady increases, they don't mean much. I think both men have weak credentials as fiscal conservatives. (As do G.W. B. and R. R.)   I remember reading Stephen Ambrose' biography of Richard Nixon (three long volumes, but essential reading and uber-fascinating).  In it he wrote that when Nixon was asked about spending he said it was a bogus issue.  Remarking simply that "people are for spending".   I took this to mean that most people detest waste, but they like other spending, especially that which benefits them directly.  Sort of like how everybody always hates Congress, but they usually like their own Congressman.   The most practical thing to be hoped for is for spending to be kept in check.  Even that is difficult.  Look at the efforts of the original Gingrich Congress in 1995.  They proposed to INCREASE spending in such things as Medicare, but merely lower the rate of increase.  There was public outrage over them as being "heartless" (ahem).      

347

But I was not discussing Perry.  You couldn't answer my post only.  I was responding only to your covering of Romney, and that's all I mentioned and really all you talked about.  But because you couldn't just leave it that Romney was conducting an assault on the second amendment, you needed to bring in Perry's increasing of some taxes too.  Which is very typical of you.  You were doing it last year too.

And yes Romney is doing so awesome that everyone has been looking for anyone else to run.  And playing the John McCain 2008 strategy at that too, which was a definite winner.  When is the next speech by President McCain anyways?

348 >>Which is very typical of you. You were doing it last year too. You know what's typical of you? Making bullshit claims when you're losing an argument. Specifically, what did I do last year that has your panties in a bunch. Be specific or it didn't happen. The whole context of this discussion is who is more conservative, Perry or Romney. You picked one issue and claimed I wouldn't say Romney raised gun fees when I was listing other fees. I then said, yes, Romney did raise gun fees as well as other fees and closed some loopholes but by far the biggest thing he did was cut spending. He didn't tell the legislature to do it, he did it himself. But again, the overall thrust of this entire thread is Perry vs Romney. If you think you are free to take shots Romney and I am not allowed to respond by comparing his record to Romney's then your in for a disappointment. I will continue to do it. Fact. Perry raised taxes many times in Texas that took in far more revenue than any fees or tax loopholes Romney did.

349 @Reggie Well put. People do like spending. The converse is also true - we just have to look at the rioters in Europe to see how much they hate austerity. I'm a fiscal pessimist; no one has the stones to swing the axe, especially with Perry/Romney's record. Hence, I vote on social issues these days.

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You wanted to talk about Romney being against bailing out the auto industry after he was for it.  And to do that you had to talk about Sarah Palin.  Almost a year ago.

The whole context of this discussion is who is more conservative, Perry or Romney. You picked one issue and claimed I wouldn't say Romney raised gun fees when I was listing other fees. I then said, yes, Romney did raise gun fees as well as other fees and closed some loopholes but by far the biggest thing he did was cut spending. He didn't tell the legislature to do it, he did it himself.

I read your comment and noticed that you didn't mention Perry's liberal act of a major increase in gun licensing.  And hey you answered that, but of course you couldn't shut up beyond just that.

But again, the overall thrust of this entire thread is Perry vs Romney. If you think you are free to take shots Romney and I am not allowed to respond by comparing his record to Romney's then your in for a disappointment. I will continue to do it.

And its not an issue of back and forth.  I have no problem with back and forth.  I can talk about Perry.  I can talk about Romney.  I can talk about Perry and Romney.  The thing that you have seemed to have a problem with is talking about Romney.  Which I guess I can't really blame you.  Why would you only want to talk about the guy most people go "well I guess I'll vote for him if the guy I actually want doesn't win." 

 

351 And I should hope that a state with 4 times the population would take in a larger revenue than the smaller state.  If that weren't the case then Romney really would be running in the wrong political party.

352 >>You wanted to talk about Romney being against bailing out the auto industry after he was for it. And to do that you had to talk about Sarah Palin. Almost a year ago. And you wanted to talk about martians when we were talking about starfish. This happened a year ago. I can make up shit about you too. What a dumb thing to say. Almost as dumb as saying, again, that Romney wanted to bailout the auto industry when he never said that. Go ahead. Find a quote. >>I read your comment and noticed that you didn't mention Perry's liberal act of a major increase in gun licensing. And hey you answered that, but of course you couldn't shut up beyond just that. Blow it out your ass. I'm not here for you to grill me. If you want to participate in a back and forth then you will get questions from me. >>And its not an issue of back and forth. I have no problem with back and forth. I can talk about Perry. I can talk about Romney. I can talk about Perry and Romney. The thing that you have seemed to have a problem with is talking about Romney. Which I guess I can't really blame you. Why would you only want to talk about the guy most people go "well I guess I'll vote for him if the guy I actually want doesn't win." Vote for whoever the hell you want to vote for. I'm not here to try and get you to vote for anyone. You sure as hell haven't convinced me to vote for Perry, particularly since I seem to know more about his record than you do.

353 Oh, he's much more of an asshole than most people realise. JUST WAIT untill after the primaries when he keeps going all McCain (or worse) just to stay relevant and get invited back on TV for the Sunday news shows. This is just the tip of the asshole. Michael Steele 2.0

354 “It is not wrong to ask for government help, but the automakers should come up with a win-win proposition,” Romney wrote back in ‘08, stressing the need to tear up old labor contracts, install new management, put more money into research and development of new products and make sure that investors pay the price for their bad decisions. “Don’t ask Washington to give shareholders and bondholders a free pass — they bet on management and they lost,” Romney wrote. In broad terms, that’s pretty much the course that Obama followed. But of course, the story doesn’t end there. Let’s briefly review the chain of events: 1.) Romney lays out broad outlines of a plan to rescue American auto industry. 2.) Obama implements a plan that follows general contours of Romney plan. 3.) Conservative Republicans erupt in fury at Obama plan, condemning it as a government takeover of industry and accusing Obama of being a socialist Marxist Kenyan secularist Muslim, or something like that.

355 Rock of racists, rock of racists Still a-rollin', still a-rollin'

356 >>In broad terms, thatÂ’s pretty much the course that Obama followed. But of course, the story doesnÂ’t end there. LetÂ’s briefly review the chain of events: No, hat is not the course Obama followed at all. This was before the auto industry cratered. He was not talking about the government talking over GM and Chrysler. Your hearing something that didn't happen. Hear's what Romney said after the crash. Let Detroit Go Bankrupt http://tinyurl.com/6hhx3x In fact, he was so clear on this issue that Jennifer Granholm, who was governor of MI during the bankruptcy had this to say about Romney. Let Mitt Romney Go Bankrupt http://tinyurl.com/3lgpr9z The Dems have been trying to hammer Romney on this in MI ever since he announced he was getting into the 2012 race because as his editorial said very clearly, Romney favored letting the auto industry go bankrupt after the crash.

357 "In broad terms, thatÂ’s pretty much the course that Obama followed. " Bullshit.

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360 You really make it seem so uderstandable with your presentation but I find this topic before really hard to understand. It seems too complicated and very broad for me.

361

I am done with Romney in the primary. He is more on the side of big government:

(1) Romneycare

(2) He was on the same side with Obama in 2009 in terms of government bailing out or taking over GM. He praised Obama for it. No matter how you spin it, government takeover (or spinning as rescuing) is not conservative. And it is not a solution by any means

(3) His people are comfortable with leftist talking points and tactics: Social Security demagoguery and the race card (his campaign continued to use "insensitivity" against Perry 's rock on Monday after Cain 's stupid fumble).

I am not excited about Romney and dead set against him in the primary. If he can fire some top campaign people, then I can take another look.

362

Can you smelll what I'm cookin ?

 

363

@ Ted

Thanks. 

We've got to do what we can.  I'm hopeful we don't end up in full blown socialism.  But I really don't know.

364 I don't know if Perry is a pussy, but his supporters here sure are--this is the cruel slam they're so upset Herman Cain leveled at him:
"Cain said, “Quite frankly, based upon Governor Perry’s position on some issues, I would not be comfortable being his vice presidential nominee.

Cain said his concerns about Perry include "being soft on the border, issues relative to tuition for children of illegal aliens." As governor, Perry supported legislation offering in-state college tuition for the children of illegal immigrants, which has become a flash point in the campaign. "And I havenÂ’t totally gone through all of his positions, but a lot of positions I have questions with," Cain said.

Wow, rough stuff!!  How does that tall tough-talkin' Texan manage to endure it all!!  Race-baiter, race-baiter!!

365
I have been quite impressive with your posts, keep up the great work.

366

Cain said his concerns about Perry include "being soft on the border, issues relative to tuition for children of illegal aliens." As governor, Perry supported legislation offering in-state college tuition for the children of illegal immigrants, which has become a flash point in the campaign. "And I havenÂ’t totally gone through all of his positions, but a lot of positions I have questions with," Cain said.

Wow, rough stuff!! How does that tall tough-talkin' Texan manage to endure it all!! Race-baiter, race-baiter!!
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I really like Cain, but this is lame. This is not what we are talking about. Cain was sandbaged over the weekend by the rock story by the leftists. And he felt for it twice. The difference is that he walked it back. Romney team played the same "insensity card" on Monday after Cain walked it back. Don't know why you are so thin-skinned. This was a dumb move on Cain 's part if he wants to take Perry out. He singled out Perry as someone he doesn't want to run with. So he is comfortable with Romney?

367 www.genset-china.com

368 www.parts-machining.com

369 Rick Perry is never as strong as he looks. Rick Perry is never as weak as he looks.

370 Romney & Cain's false smears of Perry are despicable. I would vote for any Republican other than Cain or Romney.