1
Thomas Jefferson is not walking through that door; Ronald Reagan is not walking through that door; Barry Goldwater is not walking through that door.

And if you expect them to walk through the door they'll be hair, teeth, and bones.

What I am is young, exciting, and hard working. You people don't realize that, but the sooner you do the better off this town will be. I wish I was more like Reagan, but I'm not.

The negativity on this blog stinks. And it sucks. And it stinks.

And if you think I'm gonna succumb to negativity you're wrong.

2
oh, hi, new post

3 Before I forget, Mitt sux.

4

I know you don't like Palin, but you might be interested in knowing that Palin and Perry are very friendly and on good terms.

You have a bug up your arse about Palin. I don't know what it is, but I have this sneaking feeling it's chauvinism and that you may not even be aware of it.

5 Ace we added an "h" to the end of Pittsburgh in 1907 when Allegheny City merged with Pittsburg

6 Ace, PittsburgH has an H at the end. That being said, I am fully behind this approach. All of the fucking above!!

7

>>>I'm not sure how that revitalizes American manufacturing. Forget it, he's rolling.

We depend on cheap energy. This will make it cheaper.

8 It revitalizes American manufacturing because cheaper energy in the U.S. means lowering manufacturing costs.

9 STEEELERS!

10 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

11 Perry could peel off a lot of union support from Obama with this plan.

12 Uh oh. Someone mentioned her, mentioned the "P" word. Asbestos suits ACTIVATE!

13 Rick Perry hates mother Gaia and wants to kill
people. We need green energy, not greenbacks.

14 I don't give a sorry shit what people think....I like this man.  I will vote for Perry.

Screw it, I'm in a foul mood today.

15 Energy is King, now more than ever. Run with this Gov.

16 Psssst.

_{^{michele bachmann}}

The candidate no one talks about.

17 It's too bad Perry threw his candidacy after that "heartless" comment. Oh well. /s

18 I saw that Hot Air was (earlier) also putting out the "Perry is invoking/emulating Palin" theme.  No knock on Palin, but that seems like an odd thing to say.  Perry has been governor of an oil state longer than Palin was governor of Alaska and he's been fighting the Feds/EPA tooth and nail over natural resources.  I would fully expect for his first detailed proposal to be energy-heavy.

19 Perry gets it. It used to be that cheap labor was the key to manufacturing. Now it is Cheap energy. And it will continue to be Cheap Energy for our forseeable future.

20 Freeing up energy would be damn good simply because we need it. But the biggest kick in the pants we could give to "jobs" would be to provide stability in the government, get rid of Obamacare (SC), and kill every new regulation that has been pushed out in the past 10 years.

21 Do I detect a Palin Strategy at work here-- an attempt to co-opt her themes to grab some of her supporters?

Actually, Perry has been saying "All of the above" for at least as long as Palin has.  Probably longer, really.

As for Anita whining that people have been mean to Perry: a) she's his wife, not a candidate herself, she's allowed some leeway.  b) She needs to buck up- she's the one who finally convinced him to run.

22 Actually, this is something every Republican should be taking about, repeatedly.

With unemployment and energy costs both at terrifying highs, Obama's policy is to make is worse.

Given the choice between silly environmental laws and a job, the American people will choose the latter. The traditionally broad  support for environmental legislation was always based on it being essentially free.

Now is the time to give people an explicit choice.

23 I hated you fuckers in 2008 and you assholes still got to the polls and voted for me. Didn't you, you racist inbred tooth sucking shitheads?

You'll do the same for Romney. Now, shut the hell up and like the candidate you are told to fucking like. Mitt Romney.

Shut up, Meghan. No one asked you what your huge cow ass thinks.

24 If Miitens wants to keep using Brillcream he better realize that it comes from a barrel of petroleum.  Mittens is a titweasel.  That is all.

25 Make sure to go to the plan and look at the graphics.  I love that he highlights specific places on the US map to illustrate this isn't a Texas or Gulf-centric plan.  He uses Virginia as one of his examples, in addition to Pennsylvania. 

26 It's a good plan but the victimization schtick is tiresome. Man up, don't send the wife out to whine.

27 I still really like Perry.

Cain is breath of fresh air with his unapologetic attitude about entitlements and loser, and I cheer when he wants to increase taxes on the 48 of Americans who kinda get an easy ride today, but his proposal is dead on arrival and we all know that.  It's a bit annoying that his answer to every single problem is a solution that is extremely unrealistic.  It also increases the deficit unless he sees some very significant spending cuts, but I don't hold that against Cain.  I think that's part of his plan eventually.

Perry's solutions are always a little less exciting than Bachmann's and Cain's.  Perry's promising the solutions that can actually occur, realistically, even in our political environment, and STILL lead us to prosperity.  That reminds me of Ronald Reagan's leadership, which I think did lead America out of recession.

Perry knows that the main way to have jobs is to have a stable and reasonable regulatory and taxing environment that is focused on getting government out of the way.  But this solution is hard for the leader to take credit for because it's not government making the prosperity, not the politician personally doing it, but just the government staying out of the way and letting private businesses create prosperity.

The only advantage this has is that it actually works.

I also like Perry's Balanced Budget Amendment idea.  The guy has taken firm stands against over spending, even on 'for the children' issues like the choice to cut education spending to balance Texas's budget.

I like that.

I know Perry isn't perfect, and I also know he looks second class on those debate stages, but he's got a great record and has led a large state for a long time, and I think that is a more important qualification than looking good on TV, and even wish we changed our debate format so that we stopped electing Obamas and JFKs. 

28 It's a start. But I want more for him. Stat.

I've been ripping on Obama's plan for a myriad of reasons. Other than the ridiculous spending proposals not everyone wants to be a teacher or construction worker. Same problem here.

So I want to see much much more from the 'Jobs Gov'. Esp by way of helping out small businesses that provide the bulk of jobs in our country.

29 I've been spanking it so hard since the last debate that I need to visit the burn ward.

30
nobody gives a shit about Pittsberg

31 I saw that Hot Air was (earlier) also putting out the "Perry is invoking/emulating Palin" theme.

Do we have a meme growing?

If so, let's diffuse it now: Just because Palin said something, doesn't make that "something" Palin's.  This is especially true when what she was saying was regarding policy, not sound-bites, and when it has been Party-Line since at least 2008.

To say "We need to grow domestic energy production: here are some concrete steps we can take," is not "borrowing from Palin."

32 The graphics in question are shown as thumbnails here, btw.

33 I really care more about the economic Armageddon that Obama is pushing than any other agenda item. Perry, Palin (not running still), Cain all seem to have some chops in this area. Don't give a shit about perfection from them.
Perry has a more benign attitude about illegals than someone else. Don't give a shit. Cain doesn't have executive experience (spit) don't give a shit. If Obama wins another term we'll be third world. The best ticket would be Perry/Cain (except somebody had to get all pissy).

34 There is no "H".

35 Uh, Ace.......this has been Perry's position on Energy all along. Long before Palin ever became a governor.

36

Also it helps manufacturing because someone has to produce the materials to build these pipelines, plants, storage facilities, refining facilities, etc.

They will employees tens of thousands, maybe even hundreds of thousands of contruction workers. Tens of thousands of full time direct employees. Engineers, electricians, boilermakers, millwrights, etc etc. Blue colar and White Collar jobs alike.

Someone will have to produce the materials to build these things with. Guess who produces Steel, pipes, and other extraction material? We do. Americans do.

Not only would the cheap energy benefit us, but the construction of these facilities and pipelines would benefit the people who manufacter the material needed.

37
Palin never 'bowed out.'

She was never in, so she never had to go out.

38 27 It's a good plan but the victimization schtick is tiresome. Man up, don't send the wife out to whine

Unlike Mitt Romney who used a 400-lb fat man to whine about remarks made by someone invited by the Family Research Council to introduce Perry. 

39 Went to my local teaparty meeting last night. They were taking donations for Cain. The enthusiasm for Mitt was........nonexistant.

40 romney quit in 2008

41 There is no "H".

Well crap.

42 Pittzburg?? Never heard of it.

43 Actually if you want to talk about the - "victimhood" theme- Team Romney has had surrogates engaging in that for quite awhile. It's the- Don't Attack Mitt-He's a Hot House Flower! Defense.

44 Perry's wife needs to stop whining. Big turn-off. One reason I think Santorum can't gain traction.

45
Flow charts are nice.

Moar flow charts, pleez.

46 "Pittsburg"?

Was he in Pennsylvania, or Kansas?

47 But when you turn it upside down ...!!!

48 DADDY!!!1!! I do not have a cow ass!

I've been drinking Slim Fast. A few more kegs of that stuff, and I should be skinny as a rail!

49 What the hell is up with that. Keep talking about how "fragile" Mitt is-and I might start believing it!

50 Even when the country seemed to be in love with Obama, they hated his energy plan. That's why he tried to hide it except for behind closed doors with his Dem donors.

Energy is a winning GOP issue

51 ace - taxing income (employment) makes work more expensive to produce - therefore you get less people employed and more automation and outsourcing. taxing consumption means that that the quest to find efficiency due to the tax burden is taken out on zillions of purchases (and other areas where $ could be used: savings, investment) instead millions of employees. So, would you rather make it harder for people to show up to work, or harder for people to buy butter instead of margarine, Fords instead of KIAs, Ketel One instead of Val-U-Rite. Is that tangible? (TWSS)

52
there is no "h" in nominee

53 That's interesting. Are different regional Tea Party groups coming out for different candidates?

54 Or Pittsburg, CA...

55

just can't get over that Palin/Bachmann hate can you?

oh and Santorum...

 

gee, that's all the principled conservs in and out of the race.

 

what does this say?

 

i don't know i'm just asking questions.

56 To say "We need to grow domestic energy production: here are some concrete steps we can take," is not "borrowing from Palin."

Similarly, given all the machinations with Chris Christie and the drumbeat of reports that party insiders and big-name donors find even Mitt too conservative to be invited to the regatta at the Van Voorhees compound, I don't think that Perry's wife saying party insiders don't like him is exactly channeling Palin.

57 I'm not sure how that revitalizes American manufacturing. Forget it, he's rolling.

I work in an industry that produces measurement equipment used on oil rigs and refineries. So this would be great for my company. There are also manufactured items that go into the infrastructure of extracting energy from the earth. If this actually get done welders will be a very sought after employee. Oh and cheap energy and a decent tax rate will bring a lot of manufacturing that left home.

58 Oh, and K-Lo at NRO can f*ck off with her call on Perry to apologize for the pastor's remarks. I swear, I think I'm done with NRO.

59 Help us now! Send money, my Mom hates me!

60 Perry/Cain 2012!

61 I would imagine that Anita's remarks would be a positive for Rick Perry with Tea Partiers. Anyway I have been liking Perry more since his last (decent) "debate" performance. He doesn't have to razzle dazzle anything. Its a long slog. He's fine.

62 I don't know about Anita Perry emulating the Palins..  But I sure thought it made her husband look like a pussy.  I wonder if those two are still talking after he heard about that.  And.. if he indeed knew about it before hand - if it was a calculated campaign move - then he IS a pussy.

63 You people can all go to _ell!

64 OK what the hell do we have to do to- Buy an "H"? Don't be dissin' the World Champion Steelers!

65 @50 Gorillas!

66 PS - we should be drilling anyway.

67

oooops wrong thread!

68
get some rest, this weekend

because next week most of you'll be busy typing the word "Cainiac" a thousand times in your comments

69 The Republican establishment elites were treating the Perrys like 'the help' back before Palin was ever on the political scene. ....I guess Anita Perry finally just snapped and let loose with her frustration with it.

70

Yunz don't know it's spelt Pittsburgh?

What yinz on anyways? Ain'tcha never been dahntahn Pittsburgh? It's da burgh fercryan aht lahd!

Jeez, ya jagoff!

71 50, Or CA, KY, TX, and OK.

72 "Unlike Mitt Romney who used a 400-lb fat man to whine about remarks made by someone invited by the Family Research Council to introduce Perry."

Listen, you, I've been on a diet. I'm drinking Slim Fast! A few more tanker trucks worth, and I'll be down to a trip 395!

You're just like those Islamophobes criticizing the 9/11 mosque!

*heart attack*

73

I'm not sure how that revitalizes American manufacturing.

It greatly reduces energy costs, which is something that manufacturing needs in great quantities. Like the price of gasoline in the consumer market, if the price goes up, so then does the cost of everything that depends on it.

America is still the world's largest economy, yet we make next to none of the products that we buy. This global economy thingy was supposed to bring down prices, which it did, but it also displaced great swaths of the manufacturing sector in the process. Low prices are great, but if you have no job, how can you afford them?

We're not taking advantage of this market like we once did. If we had people in Washington who actually understood how the free market is supposed to work, we'd be making far more of our consumer goods ourselves, keeping more money and jobs here. Unfortunately, that would be a gargantuan undertaking today, as so much legislation would need to be repealed, like NAFTA and GATT, something the globalist leftards don't want. This would also require the dismantling of the EPA, a radical idea five years ago that's now not so radical.

In short, this whole idea of a global economy is doomed to fail, as it always was. The actual agenda of these globalists was to take the wealth that we've built for ourselves and redistribute it to the rest of the world, rather than see other countries imitate what we've done for ourselves through the embrace of freedom and capitalism.

74 Perry Scheme!  Perry Scheme!

75 Posted by: Y-not at October 14, 2011 01:24 PM (5H6zj)

If you run a political blog and want the hits/comments to keep rolling in, you mention Palin.

To try to keep the regular, non-Palinoid visitors from getting sick of it, you try to do it in a semi-relevant way.

What "Poppin' Fresh" and his crew haven't learned is that Palin, T-Paw and the like are not relevant. They have made themselves irrelevant. Same goes for the "Captain's" bloggy buddyroos on obscure sites everywhere.

All that said, I'm happy to see Perry pushing on. I hope in time people will stop nattering about the "debates" and look at what he has done and what he says. Our own naysayers are going to make it hard for anyone but Mutt to get the nomination with their Concern Trolling about Perry and Cain with the constant sniping at every word, look and gesture.

After a while, all the negativity sounds like Michelle Malkin whining about GARDASIL!!11!!!

I can easily vote for Perry or Cain, a little less enthusiastically for Lazy Newt. Mutt Romney? I can only hope I don't have to.

76 There is no "H" in TEAM.

77 If manufacturers pay less for the energy they use and less for the materials they use (due to reduced shipping and production costs due to lower fuel and energy prices) and pay less to ship the finished product (ditto reason) that helps manufacturers to run and expand their businesses.

78 I'm not sure how that revitalizes American manufacturing.

OK I'll explain it.
The US is a top tier industrial economy. Labor comes at a huge premium, so all tasks that can possibly be automated are automated and done by machines. What does that mean? The most important resource of American manufacturing is energy to run those manufacturing machines and facilities. American industry runs on energy the cheaper the better; the cheaper, the easier it is to make a profit. The easier it is to make a profit the more businesses you get... you get the idea.

79 Santorum can't get traction because people remember his Hollywood biopic

80 63 Oh, and K-Lo at NRO can f*ck off with her call on Perry to apologize for the pastor's remarks. I swear, I think I'm done with NRO. Posted by: Dave at October 14, 2011 01:32 PM (Xm1aB) I was done with them when Goldberg started talking up a VAT. There's absolutely, positively nothing conservative about that and WFB would have hated it.

81 77 you left out the "pass the donuts" remark ...

82 Oh and cheap energy and a decent tax rate will bring a lot of manufacturing that left home.
Posted by: Buzzsaw
............
While I am all for drilling like crazy here at home, I don't think you can count on prices dropping.

The price of oil is driven by the global market... the price is fungible, even if the oil itself is not quite fungible.

83 I am starting to think Ace is bi-polar. Just sayin.

84 "victimhood" theme-

Team Romney has had surrogates engaging in that for quite awhile.

It's the-

Don't Attack Mitt-He's a Hot House Flower!

Defense.

Posted by: tasker at October 14, 2011 01:31 PM (rJVPU)

There's a floating cross in that ad!!!!!!

85 Drill Aggie Drill

86 vote with your gut people not your "feelings"

87 >>>The US is a top tier industrial economy. Labor comes at a huge premium, so all tasks that can possibly be automated are automated and done by machines. What does that mean? The most important resource of American manufacturing is energy to run those manufacturing machines and facilities. American industry runs on energy the cheaper the better; the cheaper, the easier it is to make a profit. no but it's labor costs that are the major, major cost here

88 Do I hear the word ... Ponzi?????

89 Ricky One Note.  Yes, we need to drill drill drill.  That's not enough of a basis upon which to elect a President

90 Well we know OccupyAOS didn't steal his "H" key: 'onestly, I tink tis is about rigt. I'm a tangible guy. When Erman Cain talks up the supposed employment boom tat would flow simply from sifting some taxation from income to consumption, I scratch my 'ead. It's not tangible to me. Wy would taking $2.3 trillion dollars from citizens, simply from a different mix of taxable events, spur the economy?

91 While I am all for drilling like crazy here at home, I don't think you can count on prices dropping.

Well, you can, simply because the stuff here won't have to move so far.  Part of the cost of a barrel of oil is transportation, after all.  I don't think we'll see $60.00/barrel oil or anything, but we might settle in for a while around $75.

92 76 50, Or CA, KY, TX, and OK.

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at October 14, 2011 01:34 PM (ZDUD4)

--Yeah, but Pittsburg State in Kansas has the Gorillas!

93 69 OK what the hell do we have to do to-

Buy an "H"?

Don't be dissin' the World Champion Steelers!

Posted by: tasker at October 14, 2011 01:33 PM (rJVPU)

No! You only have to buy vowels. 

94

Ace we added an "h" to the end of Pittsburgh in 1907 when Allegheny City merged with Pittsburg

Ben at October 14, 2011 01:20 PM (wuv1c)

*****

Jeeze...OK, to you any everyone else who is jumping up and down, flapping their arms, getting all excited about the missing "h".... chill the fuck out.

Yes, in 1907, the city added the "h."

But in 2007, to celebrate the centenial aniversary of this, the city council voted in open session to remove the "h" from the city name in order to celebrate the historical name of the city, and to celebrate it's roots.

So yeah, prior to 2007 it was "Pittsburgh" with an  "h".

Subsequent to 2007, it reverted to its historically accurate "Pittsburg."

Don't just believe me.  Look this shit up.  It's in the city minutes and everything.

Jeez...

95

" I hope in time people will stop nattering about the "debates" and look at what he has done.."

 

i have and that's why i don't like him.

96 "I was done with them when Goldberg started talking up a VAT."

Ugh. I didn't see that. Probably because I gave up on them when he started swooning over increasing gasoline taxes.

And when Stuttaford started sneering at people of faith.

And when Teachout said he was embarrassed by the Clinton impeachment.

And when Derbyshire got down on his knees and removed Ron Paul's trousers.

I don't know why they ever bothered firing Buckley, Jr.

97 >>>just can't get over that Palin/Bachmann hate can you? >>>>oh and Santorum... Not really, no.

98 Can't count on prices dropping when OPEC just pulls numbers out of their ass depending on how pissed off they are about Israel???

99

>>>Subsequent to 2007, it reverted to its historically accurate "Pittsburg."Don't just believe me. Look this shit up. It's in the city minutes and everything.Jeez...

 

 

Yeah, I just live here.

100 heh

101 80

Poppin' Fresh? What about me!?

102 Why does Ace hate Bill Murray?

103 Where are the 'ettes?  Andy Dalton is getting an interview on Jim Rome in a couple minutes.

104 "I'm not sure how that revitalizes American manufacturing."

WTF? Are you kidding?

105 The price of oil is driven by the global market... the price is fungible, even if the oil itself is not quite fungible.

If millions more barrels of oil show up in the market that weren't there before prices will drop.

106 Perry = problematic but vastly superior to Romney.

At this point in 2007 the leaders were Giuliani and Thompson.  This can still happen.

107 If Romney is a hot house flower- I'm sure it's an extra-special hybrid....

108 Byron York has a piece out today on the apparent failure of Perry to actually prepare for a presidential run before jumping in.

109 Posted by: Kensington at October 14, 2011 01:39 PM (Z7toi)

--Derb is decidedly sour on Paul now, especially for being an immigration squish.

110 Yes, we need to drill drill drill.  That's not enough of a basis upon which to elect a President

It's three notes, really:  Drill, drill, drill, regs, regs, regs, jobs, jobs, jobs.

Sonny and Cher only had three notes (well, chords, but so what) and they became rich and famous.

More seriously- what more do you want? He's for domestic energy production, he's for reduction of regulation (much of which he can do without congress, thanks to BHO), he's for a Balanced Budget.  All of these things lead to Jobs. 

111 "95 Ricky One Note.  Yes, we need to drill drill drill.  That's not enough of a basis upon which to elect a President

Posted by: ParisParamus at October 14, 2011 01:37 PM (bN5ZU)"

Why would you say that's the only thing Perry has on his agenda, when he also has repealing the national Romneycare and a balanced budget amendment?

112 The price of oil is driven by the global market... the price is fungible, even if the oil itself is not quite fungible.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 14, 2011 01:36 PM (f9c2L)

this is the classic argument for doing nothing because it will take years to bring production on line.

Oil prices are indeed driven by the global market and money moves in mysterious ways, but there is no way that having more production in the US can be a bad thing for the US (unless you believe that we should live in caves and pray to Gaia for relief from AGW).

113 >>>You have a bug up your arse about Palin. I don't know what it is, but I have this sneaking feeling it's chauvinism and that you may not even be aware of it. And you don't like Obama because he's black. But you may not even be aware of it.

114  Andy Dalton is getting an interview

Can't listen. I still really like Carson. I just feel so sorry for that guy. All the melodrama really prevented him from reaching his potential.

115

>>>>oh and Santorum...

Santorum lost his last race by 19%.

He can't carry his home state

116 95 Ricky One Note.  Yes, we need to drill drill drill.  That's not enough of a basis upon which to elect a President

Posted by: ParisParamus at October 14, 2011 01:37 PM (bN5ZU)

Of course, three notes were much better - "Hope and Change". Three times Better? Perry has a voluminous record to look at - whether you approve or not is another matter. But to say "one note" is disingenuous. If he would get the nomination, and win the Presidency, he'd do fine, as would Cain or even Gingrich for that matter.

117 111 Where are the 'ettes?  Andy Dalton is getting an interview on Jim Rome

I've loathe Jim Rome ever since the "Chrissy" Everett interview.

118 105>>> just can't get over that Palin/Bachmann hate can you?

>>>> oh and Santorum...

Not really, no.

Posted by: ace at October 14, 2011 01:39 PM (nj1bB)

 

thank you for being honest, paypal donation coming...

119 Wait, I meant that Nordlinger said he was embarrassed by the Clinton impeachment, not Teachout.

Teachout probably was, too, but I meant Nordlinger.

120

So yeah, prior to 2007 it was "Pittsburgh" with an  "h".

Subsequent to 2007, it reverted to its historically accurate "Pittsburg."

Don't just believe me.  Look this shit up.  It's in the city minutes and everything.

Jeez...

Posted by: ed at October 14, 2011 01:39 PM (Y2WVW)

--steelers.com still spells it with an 'h', so there.

121

Prices for Oil went down in 2008 from Bush merely lifting some offshore drilling restrictions.

Remember that? .....The price at the pumps went back down to $1.68....and stayed there till Obama did everything he could to screw it up. 

We're paying twice that now. That is money going right out of our pockets and going mostly overseas to people who hate us.

 

122

>>>Byron York has a piece out today on the apparent failure of Perry to actually prepare for a presidential run before jumping in.

Yeah, I saw that. And it's probably a fair assessment. He did get in late.

He's still working on his campaign to target a national audience.

He hasn't had the 5 years to do so that Mitt has had.

We'll see if he can get his act together over the coming months. This energy plan is a good first step.

123 I'm still waiting for someone to name three policy positions where Romney has been consistent.

124 But when you turn it upside down!!!!!

125

"Unlike Mitt Romney who used a 400-lb fat man to whine about remarks made by someone invited by the Family Research Council to introduce Perry. "

He "used" the man to "whine"? What a dishonest characterization that is. Get a grip. 

126 @119
Don't bother.  PP didn't even look at the plan.  And he apparently loves him some ethanol subsidies and emulating Japan and Europe's energy consumption. 

127 "And you don't like Obama because he's black. But you may not even be aware of it."

Straight up!

128 The letter "aych"?  Never 'eard of it, guv'nor!

129 sneaking feeling it's chauvinism and that you may not even be aware of it.

If it was chauvinism he wouldn't hate Bill Murray too.

Even Chad of Pakistan can see that.

130 Don't just believe me. Look this shit up. It's in the city minutes and everything. Jeez... Posted by: ed at October 14, 2011 01:39 PM *** Well...for shizzle. Go tell it to the Pittsburgh Pirates The Pittsburgh Penguins....

131 ace at October 14, 2011 01:37 PM (nj1bB) You may want to reasearch that Ace. Example: Labor cost is 8% of a new car. Energy is used from the time you mine the ore to make the steel until you fill the fuel tank on a car-carrying semi truck. It comes in at about 11%. depending on the fluctuating cost of fuel.

132 Oh, and K-Lo at NRO can f*ck off with her call on Perry to apologize for the pastor's remarks.

It's not even her call. It's Bill Donahue's, and she relays it as if he's the fucking Pope.

In case you don't know, that's Bill "Catholic League" Donahue, inspiration for roughly 99.9999999% of America's (minuscule) anti-Catholic sentiment—because he's such a fucking asshole, and he's appointed himself the Voice of Catholicism. Which speaks via fax-blasts to the media. Like Jesus did.

Dude is Fred Phelps without the funny signs. And with no followers. Except, apparently, Lopez.

Truly bizarre and insane moment in NR history, right there.

133 Hmmmm ed, http://www.city.pittsburgh.pa.us/ still spells it with an 'h' too.

Seriously, you can look the shit up!!!

134 crap, my paypal account was inactive for so long they closed it, any way to make a straight up credit/debit card donation?

135

Smart? Maybe. But Palin's fans spent two months beating up on Perry as unnacceptable (because, of course, as the True Conservative who raced to the top of the polls, he most directly threatened a hypothetical Palin candidacy) that I think they've convinced themselves by now that he's just terrible (and seem to be flocking to Cain, who benefits by not having been at the top of Palin Threateners before she bowed out).

BTW: I continue to hold out hope that Perry will get his shit together, and fast.

When the Bachmann and Palin supporters were tossing every charge they could think of at Perry, I said, "You know, I'm trying to find someone who'd be a viable alternative to Romney. Keep attacking the conservative, guys, and you're going to find out, to your chagrin, that Romney is now the nominee. And then I'll laugh and laugh and laugh and laugh..."

You saying you're the victim now ,  Irony ,  the temper tantrum of a blogger..

136 138 ... it's "fo' shizzle"

137 Palin will come around and endorse Perry. Rudy just stopped short of endorsing Perry the other day. I think Rudy will throw in with Perry after Palin does. Palin won't endorse Cain because he is hiding too much. With Perry - what you see is what you get.

138 133

"Unlike Mitt Romney who used a 400-lb fat man to whine about remarks made by someone invited by the Family Research Council to introduce Perry. "

He "used" the man to "whine"? What a dishonest characterization that is. Get a grip. 

Posted by: Lincolntf at October 14, 2011 01:44 PM (Qjh0I)

---

Same level of honesty as saying Rick was a pussy for telling his wife to whine about how her husband was treated.

No, I take that back.  Romney and his surrogates demanded an apology from Perry rather than from the folks who invited the Reverend.  That's even more pathetic. 

139 Who are you gonna believe on Pittsburg: the City Council or an Obama-loving commie like Art Rooney?

140 "

i have and that's why i don't like him.

Posted by: shoey (team Constitution) at October 14, 2011 01:39 PM (jdOk/)"

Fair enough.  I can't ask for more than that.

Personally, I  think I like the twelve years of balanced budgets, often fought over in tough battles requiring Perry to lead a charge to cut agency spending such as freezing Texas education spending, getting sued for years, and then cutting it substantially, while seeing education quality actually go up.  The guy has already laid out the cuts to Texas agencies for 2013.  He keeps asking each agency to do their mission with a little bit less.  He also handles crises very effectively, without drama.

He's not perfect, but he's a 90% conservative, and the best one running, and he's got the most experience.

Cain is great, but he has no experience at this and his one solution is probably impossible to implement, and it's a protectionist VAT in part.  Cain would be a great improvement, but Perry is my choice.

You have to remember that Cain doesn't even have a record in government for you to reject.  Perry has twenty years of conservative leadership with 3-4 bad calls, and if that's enough to rule him out, I think that's unwise.

141 Cain, Perry and Romney walk into a bar...

142

>>>If millions more barrels of oil show up in the market that weren't there before prices will drop.

Not only that, but we're not just looking through the prism of oil anymore.

Natural Gas, Coal and Nuclear can power our entire energy grid.

Most facilities are converting to natural gas vehicles right now.

Oil stilll will play a big roll, but if we expand our use of other resources, it will cause a decrease in our demand of oil. That in conjuction with more oil coming online will cause it to decrease in price.

 

143 "I can live with him, I guess." And is this based on his record, or all of the lies he's been running around telling?

144 I haven't seen #occupyPhoenix

Maybe because an arrest means spending some time in Camp Arpaio where you don't get a scoop of chockwit ice cweam just because you stomped your feet and demanded it?

145

Posted by: Ben at October 14, 2011 01:39 PM (wuv1c)

I hear you man. 

For a "smart military blog", some of these commenters sure are dumb.

"Oh! Oh! Oh!  Ace, you made a mistake!"

No, the fuckin' headline is accurate.  If it wasn't, it would have been changed.

I mean, it's the guys own blog.  It's how he earns his rent money.  You don't think this guy has a gimlet eye for facts and misspellings in his own blog?

That's his money maker right there.

146 @140 Agreed. K-Lo's job apparently is to publicize Donahue's fax press releases. They can both go f*ck themselves for that cheap shot at Perry.

147 Oldsailor, Well, I'm always learning something! Thanks.

148 I've loathe Jim Rome ever since the "Chrissy" Everett interview.

Posted by: Y-not at October 14, 2011 01:42 PM (5H6zj)

--Eh, I listen for the clone feedback, not so much the host.

149 "PRINCIPLE?! What the @#$% do the 'conservatives' need with principles? I thought we were long-past any false morality in our quest to take over power from the somewhat more aggressively socialist Democratic Party!"

150 Except w_en Ace is typing.... it's fo' sizzle. Gawd damn it-Ace is a Dallas Cowboy fan inny he?

151 Ben did you get stuck in Ogabes traffic jam Tuesday? I did...twice.

152 I can halfway live with a Romney candidacy.

I honestly can't.  If Romney is the nominee, it means that the MFM truly does rule us all, every one.  And  it also means the Republican Party is dead. 

153 Two serious controversies this post has caused: 1, the ongoing Palin thing 2, whether Pittsburg can be spelled without an H

154 We're paying twice that now. That is money going right out of our pockets and going mostly overseas to people who hate us. Is this Donald Trump, is that you? I heard you tell Greta the same thing. If you hadn't got shit faced in vegas and used fuck as an adjective, verb, noun and pronoun you could still be in this race.

155 106 Can't count on prices dropping when OPEC just pulls numbers out of their ass depending on how pissed off they are about Israel???   Honey Badger, OPEC is sensitive to the US pulling naval and ground forces out of teh mideast. BTW, mideast oil goes to Europe not the US. Just sayin. Nothing says nothing more than an effeminate Saudi talking tough about his Pakistani Army defending Saudi oil from Iranians .

156 btw, I don't blame the Palin fans for the Perry bashing.  Perry has made gaffes and he should have been a lot better about that.

I'm a Palin fan and have been since even before 2008, and I like Perry.

I think Palin and Perry fans are 75% the same folks.  The ones who aren't are simply more noticeable.

157

>>>no but it's labor costs that are the major, major cost here

this is based on??

158 That Palin horde that tried to tear down Perry gets exactly what they deserve.

159 K-Lo's job apparently is to publicize Donahue's fax press releases.

The only reason I still get NR is because of Lileks and Steyn.  Jonah Goldberg is much more on-point on Twitter than he is in print for some reason, and I don't want to talk about the rest of them.

160 "What in the world does morality have to do with politics?! Get real."

161 Ace is a NY Giants fan, I believe.

Ace vs. Dave in Texas is a good fight twice a season

162 And is this based on his record, or all of the lies he's been running around telling?

Not speaking for Ace, but for me is because he's not Barack Obama, who is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

I would prefer Perry (and I'm fighting for him here every day because a) I don't see him not taking Texas if Texas is important in the Primary (it never is) and b) because Texas is never important in the Primary.

163 Hahaha...It's all a big conspiracy against the Rickster! What a joke.

164
It was reported this week that the cost of home heating oil is projected to be significantly higher this winter compared to last winter, which was pretty damn high.

Did Perry mention this? Did any of the candidates mention it?

This disconnect to the people's real, every-day concerns is what's gonna kill us in '12.

It's pretty simple and the Democrats are really good at it. They bring up a specific concern, blame the Republicans for it, and then tie in their policy idea to solve the issue.

If our side wasn't stupid, we could do it, too. For instance, energy costs are killing people. It is directly Obama's fault. And here's my idea to fix it...

165 The only reason I still get NR is because of Lileks and Steyn.  Jonah Goldberg is much more on-point on Twitter than he is in print for some reason, and I don't want to talk about the rest of them.

Don't forget VDH, the Man.

166

>>>Ben did you get stuck in Ogabes traffic jam Tuesday? I did...twice.

 

nope, I don't work downtown, thank god.

167 I'm sure "help us" boy would say "for" shizzle ...

168 2, whether Pittsburg can be spelled without an H Admit it, your a damn Cowboys fan and you be dissin' us!

169 I'm totally going to vote in the primary.

170 The manufacturing thing has to do with all the raw materials that will be available more cheaply from more drilling. Oil and gas isn't just about fuel and electricity--its about petrochemicals of all sorts, which are used in every phase of manufacturing and agriculture.

171 Did Perry mention this? Did any of the candidates mention it?

I don't know.  If it connects with Perry at all- or one of his staffers actually make the connection- I suspect he will.  We don't use heating oil in Texas, though, so it's easy to overlook.

172 If Perry ends up flaming out spectacularly like Fred Thompson, can we effectively call his campaign . . .

. . . a Rick Roll?

*ducks*

173
But instead we get bogged down in long heady discussions about reforming the tax code.

That's not how you connect with the average voter. Touch on it, yes. But keep it simple and keep it personal.

174 Speaking of NRO, another reason I've written them off is their stupid sports blog Right Field. If it ain't about the f*ckin Yankess or Red Sox, then it doesn't exist.

175

I can halfway live with a Romney candidacy. He does something I respect: homework. Preparation. Planning.

I am so tired of this idea that your "principles" and intuitions and feelings alone are enough to get one through a minefield of thorny questions and abstract issues.

This only works in Star Wars and/or Bill Murray movies.

So you think I just intuited my way into Dana Barrett's pants? I had to work hard to score that piece of ass.

176 @Ian

Steyn is awesome!  The problem is most of what I read of him is has so much context that I have to explain the background for minutes just so they will understand his funny line.   Not a bad thing.. just a funny thing quirk I keep running into.

177 my point is that many "True Conservatives" constantly attack anyone who is pretty conservative but not super conservative while giving a pass to Romney, who, at least in perception, isn't conservative at all.

hahaha, ace adopts Victimization by Purists.

Toughen up, buttercup.  You guys are killing me.

178 "@#$%!!!! Can't we just get over that ex-governor from the backwater oil state and get on with taking over power from the somewhat less aggressively Marxist Democrat Party" @#$% Christian Conservatives need to submit to the rest of the party on whatever momentary whim and get the ejection of Obama taken care of."

179 Oil and gas isn't just about fuel and electricity--its about petrochemicals of all sorts, which are used in every phase of manufacturing and agriculture.

Posted by: stace at October 14, 2011 01:51 PM (lYlx9)

--Yeah, where do you think the plastic cupholder comes from?

180 Did anyone see the 'fact check' Bloomberg TV did on Perry's job creation numbers?  Bloomberg TV says Perry was right....much to their chagrin, I'm sure....

http://tinyurl.com/3lkwwkn

181 LOL! Yeah!!!! For *updates* This half Croat via the "burgh can stand the 'ell down. I'm off for some slivovitz.

182 You have to remember that Cain doesn't even have a record in government for you to reject.  Perry has twenty years of conservative leadership with 3-4 bad calls, and if that's enough to rule him out, I think that's unwise.

This.  I live in Texas and God knows I've wanted to throttle Perry from time to time.  But you don't have the ten-year record he's put up merely because you were "dealt four aces" like dickhead Romney said.

The best example of Perry's leadership was during this year's budget resolution.  We were way upside down and the hard pain was a-comin' no matter what because we have a balanced budget provision in our state Constitution.

Unions, state employees, media types and lefties of all stripes howled like wildcats during the resolution (with many advancing convoluted proposals to sidestep the Constitution), but Perry's response was the same each time: we don't have any money, start cutting.  Our budget is again balanced, and this is the sixth time Perry has done it.

Anyone trust Romney to do the same?

183 Shitsburg is disgusting.

184 Drill baby drill works for Palin, because we all wanted to, well, you know... ummm

185 181 But instead we get bogged down in long heady discussions about reforming the tax code. That's not how you connect with the average voter. Touch on it, yes. But keep it simple and keep it personal. Posted by: soothsayer at October 14, 2011 01:52 PM (sqkOB) Great, but we're not there yet. Primary voters are going to be more policy-savvy than general election voters. In the primaries, your tax/energy/boring aspect of governing policy matters. We'll go bite-sized when we get a nominee.

186 >>>hahaha, ace adopts Victimization by Purists. It's not victimization, it's what's happening.

187

logprof at October 14, 2011 01:44 PM (QaKuj)

tasker at October 14, 2011 01:45 PM (rJVPU)

*****

Oh for Christ's sake...

Look, everytime a city changes a major city street name from something like "Army Street" to "Cesar Chavez Blvd" like San Francisco did, it ALWAYS takes years to get everyone on board with it. Yeah, the city changes the name...  So what?  Do you think every business immediately changes all of their stationary, their business cards, their address printed on the side or front of the building?  Hell no.  That shit takes time.

Plus half the people hate the new name, so they keep using the old name out of defiance.

Same thing is going on here.

Shit, I don't know why I waste my time with you retards.

It's right there in the fuckin' city minutes.  A fuckin' city public document.

Look that shit up.

Fuckin' mouth breathers here in the comments...

188 Putzburgh

189
I call it Pittsgrad.

190 "Did anyone read the crap they were saying about Perry before Palin said No go?"

I don't think they had a heart.

191

>>Shitsburg is disgusting.

heh. Funny reference. She can't come back to this city now, not that she would want too.

She can stay in New Yor for all I care or even Los Angela

192 Here's my plan for tax reform, budget discipline, and restoring the principles of the 10th amendment: eliminate the federal tax code and end the direct taxation of the people by the Federal government.  Instead have the 50 states collect all the tax revenue (in any manner they deem fit) and have the federal government funded directly by the states.  With all tax revenue flowing through state treasuries before a dime reaches the Federal government you can be sure that all waste, fraud, and unconstitutional spending will be eliminated, immediately. 

What's the downside?  Why has this not been proposed?  Sure it takes a constitutional amendment but with the huge advantages to the States why would they object? 

193

But a lot of the True-r Conservatives can't, which is why I think it's kind of darkly, bitterly funny these same people spend so much energy tearing down conservative challengers to Romney.

Ace, I think you're being a little willfully blind here.  Or haven't you noticed that we "True-r Conservatives" have spent just as much time tearing down Romney as we have our least-preferred conservative candidates?  Personally I try not to do either, because honest to God anyone is better than Obama; even Ron Paul.  But it's not as if conservatives have sat back and shrugged their shoulders and said, "That Perry is EVIL.  But Romney?  Meh."

I'll vote for whoever I have to come the general election, and if that's Romney, fine.  Whatever.  That's why I keep hammering away that we HAVE to get solid conservatives - real, genuine conservatives -- in the legislature.  That's the best way to curb the President's power, whoever ends up in the Oval Office.  It's much easier to find a diehard conservative candidate who appeals to the majority at the district level  than it is to find a diehard conservative at the national level who appeals to the voters nationally.  Once the country has had a few years of conservative principles guiding us back toward fiscal sanity -- WITHOUT the world coming to an end -- voters will be more willing (theoretically) to accept a true conservative in the White House.  Then you can cue the music for Marco Rubio, Allen West, (insert conservative stalwart of your choice) in the 2016 or 2020 primaries.

194 hahaha, ace adopts Victimization by Purists.

Adopts?  I thought he did that pretty regularly in 2010.
The fact is though- at least as far as the Cult of St. Sarah, he's right.  Remember some of the things that they said when they would drop in here before Sarah said "no?"

They did everything they could to kill his candidacy in its cradle.

Now, I don't think that is a blanket "victimization by Purists" (since I tend to be a Purist, myself) but it is certainly an assault by a particular brand (and a particularly vociferous brand) of Purists.

Did anyone read the crap they were saying about Perry before Palin said No go?

Yes.  It was they who made me "tired beyond tired of the trolls."

195 All the guy talked about at debate was energy.  It makes him sound like he's trying out for Sec. of Energy or something.  It's a dumb strategy.

196 All the guy talked about at debate was energy.  It makes him sound like he's trying out for Sec. of Energy or something.  It's a dumb strategy.

Posted by: ParisParamus at October 14, 2011 01:56 PM (bN5ZU)

Yeah, job creation and energy independence is a dumb strategy. /s

197

"When the Bachmann and Palin supporters were tossing every charge they could think of "

 

so it doesn't matter that the charges are true?

 

we're just going to ignore Perry's unethical and Statist tendencies and pretend he's all conservative and such.

 

kinda like we did with Bush, right?

Medicare part d and TARP anyone?

198

I>>>t's right there in the fuckin' city minutes. A fuckin' city public document.Look that shit up.uckin' mouth breathers here in the comments...

 

Look you retard. I thought you were joking at first, but please tell me you're not this stupid.

We're all being playful with the spelling and just joking with Ace's minor type-o.

You can't possibly be serious.

The city is spell Pittsburgh. It hasn't changed since 1907.

Lay off the Gardisil. (unless you're doing some sort of Andy Kaufmann joke, you know the ones only he gets and aren't funny)

199

Look, everytime a city changes a major city street name from something like "Army Street" to "Cesar Chavez Blvd" like San Francisco did, it ALWAYS takes years to get everyone on board with it. Yeah, the city changes the name...  So what?  Do you think every business immediately changes all of their stationary, their business cards, their address printed on the side or front of the building?  Hell no.  That shit takes time.

Plus half the people hate the new name, so they keep using the old name out of defiance.

Same thing is going on here.

Shit, I don't know why I waste my time with you retards.

It's right there in the fuckin' city minutes.  A fuckin' city public document.

Look that shit up.

Fuckin' mouth breathers here in the comments...

Posted by: ed at October 14, 2011 01:55 PM (Y2WVW)

--True, but how fucking hard is it to change/redirect a damn web site?  Much easier than stationery (heh) and business cards.

200 "Romney's cunning. He's smart. He does his homework. I respect these things, so while I'm not super-keen on Romney's principles (I think he is in fact a fairly malleable man who will go to where the votes are, which is likely the center), there are a few things about him I like."

Yes, he is, but he's been running for pres since 2007 or earlier. He's a had a ton of practice, while Perry was actually effectively governing during a difficult time: cutting budgets, combining and sunsetting agencies, and luring businesses to get us through a horrible worldwide economic crash.

I will vote for romney if he's the nominee, but after his senior-scaring knee-capped the Repubs/tea party, I will have to bring a barf bag with me into the booth. He certainly won't get any money from me. He can call Georgette for that.

201 Word on Twitter is that Obama may have just got us into another African war, this time against the Lord"s Resistance Army. (Are those the guys who dress up like clowns during their killing sprees?). 

202 I heard Rush yesterday lamenting that not one of Romney's opponents nailed him with the fact that Obama relied on his consultants in crafting Obamacare. WTF? Especially as to Perry. Is he in to win, or not?

203 "Not speaking for Ace, but for me is because he's not Barack Obama . . . " If we end up with a fake Republican like Romney -- and I'm basing my "fake" accusation on his *real* record -- we end up with four or eight years place-holding for the Dems in everything save an Obamacare repeal, if we're lucky. Instead of conceding that Romney's better than Obama, Allen, you really should be running through the streets screaming "Romney eats small children! Romney eats small children!" Now take off your slippers and put on your running shoes.

204 Mitch Daniels will get back in and save the day, just watch!

205 Ben I flew in at the same time as the dipshit and had an afternoon meeting dahntahn. Screw him.

206 holding out hope that the Libertarians runs someone decent for a change

207 so it doesn't matter that the charges are true?

Which charges were true?  With original sources, please.

208 214 Mitch Daniels will get back in and save the day, just watch!

Posted by: Hugh Hewitt at October 14, 2011 01:59 PM

T-Paw will get back in and save the day, just watch!

209 When Pittsburgh isn't bankrupt I'll maybe start caring how they spell the goddamn name.

210 Revised post title:

Perry Talks Up Energy & Jobs Plan in Pittsburg (Or Even Pittsburgh)

Heh.

211 218 214 Mitch Daniels will get back in and save the day, just watch!

Posted by: Hugh Hewitt at October 14, 2011 01:59 PM

T-Paw will get back in and save the day, just watch! Posted by: Poppin' Fresh at October 14, 2011 02:00 PM

Chris Christie will get back in and save the day, just watch!

Where did I put my batteries?

212 Instead of conceding that Romney's better than Obama, Allen, you really should be running through the streets screaming "Romney eats small children! Romney eats small children!"

No.  Like I said, I'm already doing everything feasible in Texas.  Texas isn't going Romney short of falling into Bizarro-World. 

And, if you read my other comments, you know I'm pretty down on Romney.

213 Is there a story out comparing Cain's 9-9-9 plan to Civ5?

214

204 All the guy talked about at debate was energy. It makes him sound like he's trying out for Sec. of Energy or something. It's a dumb strategy.

No. It's not.

We are currently on an Oil Economy....worldwide. The price of oil/gas affects every fucking thing that we buy and consume. The cost of it is factored into the cost of....everything. ....What is "dumb" is for people to try to ignore this.

215 One really sad aspect of Pittsburgh is the Pirates. I remember the days of Roberto Clemente, Willie Stargell, Dave Parker, etc. Sad, if you're a baseball fan.

216 221 218 214 Mitch Daniels will get back in and save the day, just watch!

Posted by: Hugh Hewitt at October 14, 2011 01:59 PM

T-Paw will get back in and save the day, just watch! Posted by: Poppin' Fresh at October 14, 2011 02:00 PM

Chris Christie will get back in and save the day, just watch!

Where did I put my batteries?
Posted by: Ann Coulter at October 14, 2011 02:01 PM

Teh Fred will get back in and save the day, just watch!

217 As Grover Norquist said yesterday, Boehner and McConnell will be making all our policy decisions and our laws for us for the next 5 years.

So all this talk about the candidate' s positions are almost pointless.  This puts Romney as the only candidate so far. (I "hate" Romney otherwise)

Just pick the guy that can beat Obama, and start electing TP Senators.

218

>>>Ben I flew in at the same time as the dipshit and had an afternoon meeting dahntahn. Screw him.

Where was your meeting?

 

We have an OWS march tomorrow that's practically shutting the city down.

They've decided they not only want to encamp infront of the Mellon building but they want to take 4 hours to march down every major city street before they do it.

219 Alright: last time before lunch:

Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

220

I continue to hold out hope that Perry will get his shit together, and fast.

I was the same way with Obama in '09.

221 193 Drill baby drill works for Palin, because we all wanted to, well, you know... ummm

Do you know what the Secret Service's code for Todd was? Driller. I shit you not. Isn't that priceless? And kind of hot.

222

--True, but how fucking hard is it to change/redirect a damn web site? Much easier than stationery (heh) and business cards.

logprof at October 14, 2011 01:58 PM (QaKuj)

*****

You could do a google search about this.  "Pittsburg Name Change".  It'll come right up.

Or do a search of the city paper.  They reported on it.

As far as the web site, are you going to the .gov site?  Or the .net site?

223
Is he in to win, or not?

Yes, but not too much. I asked months ago if Gov Perry was getting in the race on a lark. I still wonder. This campaign he is running is not that of a serious candidate.

lark: a merry, carefree adventure; frolic; escapade.

224 Didn't Magnum, P.I. always wear a Pirates cap? Or was that someone else?

These facts are what I come here for.

225 o hooray  a fight.

not.

abo

226 I intend to get back in the race and save the Republican Party from the conservatives!

227 211 Word on Twitter is that Obama may have just got us into another African war, this time against the Lord"s Resistance Army. (Are those the guys who dress up like clowns during their killing sprees?).      No, they are generally 8 to 14 year olds toting AK-47s because their Leader tells them he is the resurected Christ. Scary shit. Almost as bad as East LA.

228 226 221 218 214 Mitch Daniels will get back in and save the day, just watch!

Posted by: Hugh Hewitt at October 14, 2011 01:59 PM

T-Paw will get back in and save the day, just watch! Posted by: Poppin' Fresh at October 14, 2011 02:00 PM

Chris Christie will get back in and save the day, just watch!

Where did I put my batteries?
Posted by: Ann Coulter at October 14, 2011 02:01 PM

Teh Fred will get back in and save the day, just watch!
Posted by: zombie ace at October 14, 2011 02:02 PM

Sarah will get back in and save the day, just watch!

Stop staring at my boobs!

229 ed is turning into "globular clusters"

230

>>>As Grover Norquist said yesterday, Boehner and McConnell will be making all our policy decisions and our laws for us for the next 5 years.

This makes you comfortable?

Tell me what's the difference between Boehner, MCConnell and Romney  versus Bush, Hastert and Frist?

231 "And, if you read my other comments, you know I'm pretty down on Romney." Easy for you to say. I can't read.

232 @236 Pretty sure Magnum wore a Detroit Tigers ballcap.

233

Cheap energy encourages manufacturing jobs to stay here. No more oil money going overseas to fund Al-Qaeda and all its little Islamist rebellions means that we won't have to put our military into every third world rathole to keep things under control.

Businesses and citizens can spend less on gasoline and heating bills, leaving more money to produce and then to buy goods and services.

Rick Perry is good at getting government out of the way and allowing the natural creativity of Americans to thrive. Of course, if we don't want that, we can spend our time sniping at him and keep on heading for an economy like that enjoyed by Greece.

234 236

Magnum was always a Hawaiian shirt and a Detroit Tigers cap

235 I question Ace's truthfulness that he is a tangible guy.  He looks like an Ewok to me.  Nothing tangible about that!  You ever touched one?

Well there you are.

I'm actually less pissed at Romney than I am at the "establishment" Repubs teaming with the MFM to pick the candidate.  There is a reason why this is happening and that, imo, is that conventional Washington politics make a lot of people very happy.  My personal preference is to see the apple cart upset - the fat lady punched in the gut before she can sing - a brand new drawing board - a biblical swarm of flies in the ointment.

236

He's still working on his campaign to target a national audience.

He hasn't had the 5 years to do so that Mitt has had.

 

Of course he has.  Bill Clinton (MF'er that he is) was governor of Arkansas for twelve years, but managed to prepare himself for a (regrettably) effective, polished, and successful campaign.

Perry has had spare time in the past ten years to adequately prepare for this.  I'm guessing the main reason he hasn't is that he never really wanted this.

237 236 Didn't Magnum, P.I. always wear a Pirates cap? Or was that someone else?

These facts are what I come here for.
Posted by: sifty at October 14, 2011 02:03 PM

Magnum always wore a Detroit Tigers cap

238 If millions more barrels of oil show up in the market that weren't there before prices will drop.
Posted by: Buzzsaw
............
It doesn't work that way..

I am not against drilling here.  As I said, it is a really good idea for energy security, keeping those dollars in country rather than paying for imports, etc.

But millions more barrels won't show up.  The Saudis will cut back production.  The Saudis said just the other day that they are producing just enough to meet demand.

Where would millions of barrels extra per day go?  You got a storage tank the size of New Jersey sitting down in Texas or something?  Our refineries are at max.

There simply would not be any "extra" oil on the market.  The Saudis would cut production to keep prices stable.

While prices may go down a bit, they wouldn't be cheap.  So many other factors go into making oil prices what they are.

239

As far as the web site, are you going to the .gov site?  Or the .net site?

Posted by: ed at October 14, 2011 02:03 PM (Y2WVW)

--I already cited it above:

http://www.city.pittsburgh.pa.us/

It's spelled out right there.  What, do they need a fucking union permit to change the name on a damn website?

240 Didn't Magnum, P.I. always wear a Pirates cap? Or was that someone else?

These facts are what I come here for.

Posted by: sifty at October 14, 2011 02:03 PM (4CSeG)

He wore a cap?

241 Bring down energy costs, create jobs, roll back oppressive EPA regulations.

Yup. I like it.

242 they are generally emotional 8 to 14 year olds toting AK-47s because their Leader tells them he is the resurected Christ.

Describes the 52%.

243 Pretty sure Magnum wore a Detroit Tigers ballcap.

yup. My bad. Wrong warzone.

Did you see the sunrise this morning? classic

244 Didn't Magnum, P.I. always wear a Pirates cap? Or was that someone else?

Captain Crook wore a pirate hat.

245
They spell it Detroith, you idiots.

246 236 Didn't Magnum, P.I. always wear a Pirates cap? Or was that someone else?

These facts are what I come here for.
Posted by: sifty at October 14, 2011 02:03 PM

I think so, and I'm pretty sure that Dustin Hoffman was in Star Wars

247 The good thing about Perry is he is forcing us to make a decision between someone who can debate good and someone who can actually run a state.

248

I wish.

A 2 term Governor that turned a state from bankruptcy to a billion in surplus.

Took on Planned Parenthood, gave Indiana school choice, got rid of public unions before it was cool..

yeah.. awful. Wouldnt want that voice in the mix at all.

Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at October 14, 2011 02:02 PM (qjUnn)

His wife said no.

249 He wore a cap?

It was that thing that helped keep women off his mustache so he could get some work done.

250 If Perry would endorse the St. Louis Cardinals, then I would probably forgive him for the "heartless" bullshit.

251

Tell me what's the difference between Boehner, MCConnell and Romney  versus Bush, Hastert and Frist?

About 300 lbs.

252

No.

What the GOP needs is a candidate who "wings it" - likes to sit back and wait for things to come to them. Someone who is inarticulate, disorganized, and undisciplined only because they can overcome those things through prayer.

253 247I question Ace's truthfulness that he is a tangible guy. He looks like an Ewok to me. Nothing tangible about that! You ever touched one?

Well there you are.

I'm actually less pissed at Romney than I am at the "establishment" Repubs teaming with the MFM to pick the candidate. There is a reason why this is happening and that, imo, is that conventional Washington politics make a lot of people very happy. My personal preference is to see the apple cart upset - the fat lady punched in the gut before she can sing - a brand new drawing board - a biblical swarm of flies in the ointment.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at October 14, 2011 02:05 PM (jx2j9)

 

 

newsletter?

254 We are presently working a second Republican Party option called TEA Party Republicans, and already have a basis for it installed in the 2010 in Congress. The Florida has helped us speed that effort by quite a bit.

255 It was that thing that helped keep women off his mustache so he could get some work done.

Posted by: sifty at October 14, 2011 02:07 PM (4CSeG)

He had a mustache!?

256 also:

Oil is good. More oil is better.

Nuclear energy is best.

Living to see the day when some sheik has to squeegee my windshield to buy hummus, priceless.

257 211 Word on Twitter is that Obama may have just got us into another African war, this time against the Lord"s Resistance Army. (Are those the guys who dress up like clowns during their killing sprees?). 

Posted by: Lincolntf at October 14, 2011 01:59 PM (Qjh0I)

It's ok. We're only going to be there for a couple of weeks...just like Libya.

258

Tell me what's the difference between Boehner, MCConnell and Romney  versus Bush, Hastert and Frist?

About 300 lbs.

And a warcock that ravaged actual cougars in Tijuana.

259 Perry's starting to strike me as the 2012 equivalent of Fred Thompson. IMO, got in the race because other people wanted him to, but then didn't really seem all that interested. Based on performance so far, Perry's got very little game. Every other GOP candidate has more. Including Ron Paul.

260 So, what are to make of Rubio's apparent support of Romney. We've already discovered Christie's true colors. Who's next?

261

Look you retard. I thought you were joking at first, but please tell me you're not this stupid.

We're all being playful with the spelling and just joking with Ace's minor type-o.

You can't possibly be serious.

The city is spell Pittsburgh. It hasn't changed since 1907.

Lay off the Gardisil. (unless you're doing some sort of Andy Kaufmann joke, you know the ones only he gets and aren't funny)

Posted by: Ben at October 14, 2011 01:58 PM (wuv1c)

*****

Ace laughs at you via his head-line modification.

Look, this shit isn't national news, but it did happen.  Google "Pittsburg Name Change"

There are even books about it.  Minor books, yeah.  Look up "Stories, Lore and Other Historical Oddities in Steel City".

 

262 "Perry has had spare time in the past ten years to adequately prepare for this.  I'm guessing the main reason he hasn't is that he never really wanted this.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at October 14, 2011 02:05 PM (b68Df)"

Agreed.  And I see no problem with that.  He didn't intend to run for President until only a few months ago when it was clear there were no conservatives with executive experience.

The guy is never going to be polished though.  I think had Perry prepared for as long as Romney, he still wouldn't be as polished.  But polish is not what I want.  While Romney was preparing for this for five years, he did nothing.

Where was Romney when the debate over Obamacare was ongoing with an 'it's wrong for the country' view?  He was no where.  He was probably simply having mock debates every night.

Where was Perry?  He was at Tea Parties shouting down Obamacare as a severe intrusion into our freedom.  AND he was governing Texas with tremendous success.  But he wasn't working on a presidential campaign, I admit, and he'll never be as skilled at the pizzazz stuff as Romney or frankly most of the other politicians.  I am surprised, but Perry kinda sucks at that stuff and there's no denying it.

But he was out there criticizing the left on hard issues before it was easy to do.  He didn't wait until after it was easy and then issue his agreement.  In fact, I met Rick Perry when I went to the first Tea Party rally in Austin.

He sure isn't perfect, but he's 90% with me, and I really think he's the best compromise to make and hope folks reconsider him.  I don't blame them if they choose Cain instead, but I hope they keep their mind open.

263 259 The good thing about Perry is he is forcing us to make a decision between someone who can debate good and someone who can actually run a state.

Posted by: Harry at October 14, 2011 02:07 PM (gzRhz)

I want someone who can prove to me he can run a country, not just a state.  I like Perry, but only as much as I like any of the candidates, which is somewhere between, "Hmm" (Herman Cain) and "NO!!" (Huntsman).  There is no frontrunner in my book.  I have no idea at the moment who I'm going to vote for when I step into the primary ballot booth on December frigging 6th.

264 264 Someone who is inarticulate, disorganized, and undisciplined only because they can overcome those things

Why do you think I've been winning these debates, for my own health?

265 If Romney is a GENUINE centrist -- as in, genuinely in the center of the American electorate, I'm fine with that.

And really, any random person off the street would be better than Obama. Getting him OUT is the most important task in 2012. Who we put IN is not all that important, really. Just preventing the damage Obama would do in a second term is reason enough to vote for any Republican.

266 and if Perry is willing to try to learn how to debate and bring understanding to those things He believes , I'd be happier. and that isn't anyones fault but Perrys' and his handlers. although if i remember correctly everyone on that debate floor throw everything at him for first 3 debates. didn't see Palin there though.

cain excites people, maybe He also needs to work on foreign policy, seems like a quick learner. we'll see.

romney, not thrilled but handsome and articulate, seems to play the politics game better than the others. not thrilled but i'll vote for whomever that has an R after its name.

267 In before the C4Palin trolls accuse ace of misogyn- Oh, well played, queerbait at comment 4!

268 throw-through

269 I posted this on the last thread, but it bears repeating. Do not count Perry out. He is not dead and neither is campaign. He can and will come back. He can and will beat Obama. I have seen more unlikely things happen this year. Remember, I am a Lions fan! Perry is going all the way. I think any person who has been elected governor 3 times has experienced a few ups. And downs during a campaign. come to think about it, there are more reasons to think Perry can win, then there were to think the Lions could win. And don't forget to watch the Lions win Sunday. 6th game in a row!

270 The only candidate who can beat Obama is Huntsman!

271 @271 Perry's starting to strike me as the 2012 equivalent of Fred Thompson.

He's had a full campaign schedule.  I realize this is the spin, but it's patently untrue. 

272 264

No.

What the GOP needs is a candidate who "wings it" - likes to sit back and wait for things to come to them. Someone who is inarticulate, disorganized, and undisciplined only because they can overcome those things through prayer.

Posted by: Winning at October 14, 2011 02:08 PM (JuHsj)

 

yep, those christian-ista's are dangerous.... they wrote that horrible rag called the Constitution.... will we never be rid of them?

273 Energy IS prosperity. There is a direct correlation between the amount of energy a country uses and the prosperity of its citizens.
 
Try this thought experiment -- Energy so abundant that it is for all intents and purposes free. What would happen? Manual labor would mostly disappear, because there isn't much of a limit on what can be automated or machine learned. You just need lots of teachable machines. To get those, you need lots and lots of energy to mine, refine and shape raw materials. Then you need energy to run them.
 
Energy is the key to it all.

274 So, what are to make of Rubio's apparent support of Romney.

Rubio's people denied the rumor about him helping move the FL primary to benefit Mitt. 

275 Sorry for all my typos. I am just getting used to my IPad.

276 Didn't Magnum, P.I. always wear a Pirates cap? Or was that someone else? I think he wore a Detroit Tigers cap.

277 Until Perry asks people to clap for him, he will be much better off than Teh Fred

278 Hi, I'm Generic "Genny" Republican, and polls consistently show that I'm the one candidate that Americans prefer over Obama

279 Some of you are awfully late figuring out NR have turned into a bunch of  squish pansies.

Perry has probably already screwed the pooch. If he can make a comeback, good for him. So far, he doesn't look like he has the chops.

RINO Romney is despised by the base. All that shit they talked about Palin losing the General is probably true about Mitt. Good luck with that.

That leaves Cain. The Democrats lowered to bar so much with the Community Oranizer, any objection to Cain's lack of experience doesn't resonate. Sure, they will try it but I'm betting the low info voter won't care. That leaves them with "He Isn't Authentically Black". I'd love to campaign against that.

280

I like this energy plan.  I don't like Perry, but I like the plan.

 

This is what's good about real competition in the primary.  Perry has had to really come up with something good, and the other candidates are going to have to try to match it.  Whoever ends up getting the nod will have a trail-tested set of popular energy plans.

281 It's spelled out right there. What, do they need a fucking union permit to change the name on a damn website?

Posted by: logprof at October 14, 2011 02:06 PM (QaKuj)

*****

Oh... you're going to try to argue that the UNIONS are going to be all fast and efficient in doing this sort of work?

You think SEIU is full of competant web masters?

I think not.

282 256 Didn't Magnum, P.I. always wear a Pirates cap? Or was that someone else?

Captain Crook wore a pirate hat.   You are referencing either Capt Hook or Capt Cook. One was a pirate character in Peter Pan the other a British explorer who was skewered in Polynesia or Hawaai by the natives. I am unaware of Capt Crook. Did he ride a horse with a jack o lantern as a head?

283 we all hope for Perry, but He has to do better, He has to be clear and versatile with his opponents.

284 The Cain story is up on yahoo's scrolling thing.

285

>>Ace laughs at you via his head-line modification.Look, this shit isn't national news, but it did happen. Google "Pittsburg Name Change"There are even books about it. Minor books, yeah. Look up "Stories, Lore and Other Historical Oddities in Steel City".

 

I live here you idiot. My god, I'm done arguing with someone who can't even acknowledge the spelling of a city name.

Ace is being playful. You're being an idiot. There's a difference

 

286 242 Tell me what's the difference between Boehner, MCConnell and Romney  versus Bush, Hastert and Frist?

Boehner and Bush are more conservative than Hastert and Romney. McConnell and Frist are about the same, though Frist is more liberal on certain issues (e.g., his endorsement of ObamaCare).  

287 So for Halloween I was going to go as Valerie Jarret, I have some concerns

-No one will recognize I am dressed as the true president

-rabid dogs will vomit at the site of my gremliney appearance

-Union members will fall under a zombie like spell and follow me around all night thuggish beating everyone who fails to give generous amounts of candy

-Those dressed as Carney will try to bone me

-Everyone will just confuse me for
Frau Farbissina!1!(from Austion Powers)

288 Someone was asking about Mitt's fundraising.  He raised $14 milllion last quarter.  I didn't see the burn rate.  Perry raised $17 million in half of last quarter with $15 million cash on hand.  I'm sure the first quarter is the biggest one for any candidate, however, and of course Romney is wealthy enough to fund his own campaign. 

Has anyone heard how Romney's $5 raffle for a day with Mitt went? 

289 287So, what are to make of Rubio's apparent support of Romney.

Rubio's people denied the rumor about him helping move the FL primary to benefit Mitt.

Posted by: Y-not at October 14, 2011 02:13 PM (5H6zj)

 

and further more.... Rubio just back from junket to Liybia with... guess who?

 

John McCain

Linsday Graham

and Mark Kirk

... you know, the Teddy Roosevelt Triplets.

290

Posted by: Chilling the most for perry at October 14, 2011 02:11 PM (6IV8T)

Someone needs to call on Miracle Max.

“I’ve seen woise.”

291

What the GOP needs is a candidate who "wings it" - likes to sit back and wait for things to come to them. Someone who is inarticulate, disorganized, and undisciplined only because they can overcome those things through prayer.

Umm, that was a totally gratiutous bit of religious baiting.  lay off.

292

Ben at October 14, 2011 02:15 PM (wuv1c)

*****

Did you even bother to Google the things I gave you?

 

293 Come on, peeple.

Let's dance.

http://tinyurl.com/2jbs3c

294 Nothing on drudge... So where has Mr. Peace Prize gotten us into another war? I hope it's not against another superpower like Libya because it would be nice to win one.

295

>>Did you even bother to Google the things I gave you?

 

All I read when you write is something along the lines of, "Fire can't melt the letter H"

296

Did you even bother to Google the things I gave you?

 

Posted by: ed at October 14, 2011 02:18 PM (Y2WVW)

--No, because I don't care.  If Pittsburg(h) did change its name officially, then it's too incompetent or lazy to change the websites so fuck 'em.

297

yep, those christian-ista's are dangerous.... they wrote that horrible rag called the Constitution.... will we never be rid of them?

Posted by: shoey (team Constitution) at October 14, 2011 02:12 PM (jdOk/)

Because the British and Scots probably weren't "real" christians either.

But good example though... of committed, prepared men willing to fight under any circumstances. Not fly-by candidates who get in when the race looks winnable and do little preparation.

298 272 So, what are to make of Rubio's apparent support of Romney.

We've already discovered Christie's true colors. Who's next?


If the sources are so sure of their allegations, why have they remained anonymous? Where is their proof? The story also does not make much sense. Everyone knows Rubio is guaranteed consideration, so why would a man who appears so measured risk his Senate career in such a rash way? Strategically, it makes no sense.

299 Perry needs to start punching down...just sayin'

300

>>Boehner and Bush are more conservative than Hastert and Romney. McConnell and Frist are about the same, though Frist is more liberal on certain issues (e.g., his endorsement of ObamaCare).  

Yeah, that's kind of my point.

If the House Leader as Allen West and the Senate Leader was Pat Toomey, I wouldn't be so concerned about a Romney presidency.

However that's not the case. Remember that Boehner gave up on the debt deal for billions in cuts that turned out to be money that wasn't ever going to be spent.

McConnell was for Lisa Muffdiveski.

I

301

Agreed.  And I see no problem with that.  He didn't intend to run for President until only a few months ago when it was clear there were no conservatives with executive experience.

He did so at the urging of his wife, who told him that she could see a burning bush, even though he couldn't.

That's not a cheap joke.  That's not a smear.  That is literally what she said.

And what is troubling is, I believe her.  I think he knew he wasn't ready for this.  And I'll allude to Bill Clinton one more time.  Being governor for umpteen years does not reign as the supreme qualification for President.  I want executive and private industry experience.  I want someone...yes...who is polished when speaking about policy.  We aren't in the 19th Century.  A President has to have good communication skills, are he along with the causes he supports are going suffer the consequences if he doesn't (read: GWB).

 

302 I thought it was spelled "Pittsbutt"

wrong again, I guess......

303 63
Oh, and K-Lo at NRO can f*ck off with her call on Perry to apologize for the pastor's remarks.

I swear, I think I'm done with NRO.

Posted by: Dave at October 14, 2011 01:32 PM (Xm1aB)

I have been for years. They want to be the intellectual wing of the Country Club Republicans. That is, they want to and must explain to us stupid flyover rubes why we must be reasonable Republicans, why we simply must work with the Democrats and why we absolutely have to run a moderate to liberal Republican to win in every single race from dogcatcher to President. 

Oh, and fuck that K-Lo bitch with a leperic hobo's dick. Wasn't she at that VVS? Was it not her along with Easy Ed holding forth on a panel? Fuck her, she is as much to blame as Perry. (I knew there was a reason I had a vague notion of hating her.)

304

275

The problem with making a distinction between running a state and running a country is we do not have anybody who has run a country. We do have several that have run states. Some better than others. Do we seriously want to pretend that Romney has the experience that Perry has? Do we seriously want to pretend that Romney has had the success that Perry has?

305

>> Thomas Jefferson is not walking through that door

Fuck if I ain't, you're not the boss of me.

 

*skeletal hand pulls on doorknob*

 

...

 

Need a little help!

 

306 311

yep, those christian-ista's are dangerous.... they wrote that horrible rag called the Constitution.... will we never be rid of them?

Posted by: shoey (team Constitution) at October 14, 2011 02:12 PM (jdOk/)

Because the British and Scots probably weren't "real" christians either.

But good example though... of committed, prepared men willing to fight under any circumstances. Not fly-by candidates who get in when the race looks winnable and do little preparation.

Posted by: Winning at October 14, 2011 02:21 PM (JuHsj)

 

i assume your talking about Perry?

307

Pittsburgh with an "H"?

 

*down-twinkles*

308 303 287 and further more.... Rubio just back from junket to Liybia with... guess who?

 John McCain

Linsday Graham

and Mark Kirk

... you know, the Teddy Roosevelt Triplets.

If you're part of a delegation, you don't get to pick fellow members unless you're leading said delegation. That's just the way it works.

309 152 I haven't seen #occupyPhoenix

Maybe because an arrest means spending some time in Camp Arpaio where you don't get a scoop of chockwit ice cweam just because you stomped your feet and demanded it?

Posted by: kbdabear at October 14, 2011 01:47 PM (Y+DPZ)

Nah.  We're already under occupation - the 99% can't speak enough spanish to compete.

310

Yeah Perry

Rick "I'll get in now that Obama looks weak, and the GOP field is thin, and I should be able to win this thing in a cakewalk" Perry.

Glad Ace is seeing the light on Romney's work ethic. But its also his committment.

So many of these "tough" and"principled" conservatives were too chicken to get in when Obama still had high numbers. And it looked like guys like Daniels, Barbour, Ryan Christie... may get in.

And they call Romney an opportunist. At least Romney had the balls to get in when the road looked a lot tougher. Not all these lazy, last minute  candidates who want in because the road looks easy now.

311 Why can't we do both:  Fix the tax system AND have a coherent free market approach to energy?

312

 Did you even bother to Google the things I gave you?

Posted by: ed at October 14, 2011 02:18 PM (Y2WVW)

--No, because I don't care. If Pittsburg(h) did change its name officially, then it's too incompetent or lazy to change the websites so fuck 'em.

Posted by: logprof at October 14, 2011 02:21 PM (QaKuj)

 

All I read when you write is something along the lines of, "Fire can't melt the letter H"

Posted by: Ben at October 14, 2011 02:20 PM (wuv1c)

*****

OK, Ben, that right there is funny.  No more stupid fucking arround on my part.  "Fire can't melt the letter H".  Seriously, that is funny.

I'll come clean now.  Of course you guys are right.  It is Pittsburgh. 

I was just trying to do some silly ass "Stuff Jefferson Said, Volume IIV" shtick.

It's an old running gag here.  Maybe you knew about it, and my act just sucked.  Or maybe you didn't, in which case my bullshit wouldn't make any sense.

No hard feelings I hope.  And I now retroactively appologize for any name calling I did upstream.

 

 

313

312 272 So, what are to make of Rubio's apparent support of Romney.

We've already discovered Christie's true colors. Who's next?


If the sources are so sure of their allegations, why have they remained anonymous? Where is their proof? The story also does not make much sense. Everyone knows Rubio is guaranteed consideration, so why would a man who appears so measured risk his Senate career in such a rash way? Strategically, it makes no sense.

----------

Romney has tons of money, and his tenacles are everywhere. Owning Clear Channel Radio makes him very powerful just from that alone.

I have really liked Rubio, and I hope that he hasn't been bought. ....We should wait and see how this shakes out.

314 I hope Rubio does not expect the masses to maintain his conservative cred. I hope he understands the MSM and Libcontards will work to destroy his cred. If he's not representing his conservative cred, it will atrophy.

315

Yinz know that that Obama guy was dahn Schenley Park with Kordell Stewart the other day, doncha?

Yeah, you know what I'm talking abaht, sure yinz do!

316 "

That's not a cheap joke.  That's not a smear.  That is literally what she said.

And what is troubling is, I believe her.  I think he knew he wasn't ready for this.  And I'll allude to Bill Clinton one more time.  Being governor for umpteen years does not reign as the supreme qualification for President.  I want executive and private industry experience.  I want someone...yes...who is polished when speaking about policy.  We aren't in the 19th Century.  A President has to have good communication skills, are he along with the causes he supports are going suffer the consequences if he doesn't (read: GWB).

 

Posted by: Reggie1971 at October 14, 2011 02:22 PM (b68Df)"

And Romney's wife is even more disturbing.  She boasts about what a good liar her husband is, and she gives money to help abort children.

The reason I don't hold this against Mitt is because family should be off limits.  Of course they all love their spouse and they all have a hard time with the attacks.  Mrs Perry for example seems naive about it, and I actually like that.

Your wish for a polished leader is reasonable for the reasons you gave.

Romney is not gaffe free, of course, with his 'asia is a country' and 'tar baby' and 'i want to hang obama (metaphor)' gaffes.  I also don't hold those against Romney because he's just a human being, and of course he's going to slip up from time to time.

Thing is, Romney is a Republican, at least nominally, so his gaffes will be found and plastered everywhere.  Reagan was polished, and yet the left portrayed him as an idiot.

Perry is inferior to Romney on this count, so you still score a point for this.  I give Perry points over Romney for his superior record, and I want Republicans to know that if they want their careers to advance, they need to balanced budgets.  I also think Perry's handled a lot of crises very well, and is prepared to run a large government well.

But he will probably be about at the GWB level of articulation, and I understand why you have a problem with that.  You just have to figure what you're willing to compromise on.

Is Romney's polish going to be used to reform entitlements and cut spending and balance the budget.  No.  It will be used for centrist positions a la Arlen Specter and Lindsey Graham.  We'll have a second Nixon administration that is brilliant in one way, but terrible in many others.

Romney is going around talking about reversing cuts to Medicare.  Half a trillion $ cuts.  So his polish isn't valuable to me since we simply disagree on whether to increase entitlements or decrease them.

That's why I ask folks to reconsider Perry, who isn't perfect, but he does mean what he says once he managed to stammer it out, and it's 90% conservative.

317

gee, that's all the principled conservs in and out of the race.

what does this say?

i don't know i'm just asking questions.

Posted by: shoey (team Constitution) at October 14, 2011 01:32 PM (jdOk/)

I wouldn't exactly call Bachmann "principled"...

318 314 Yeah, that's kind of my point.

If the House Leader as Allen West and the Senate Leader was Pat Toomey, I wouldn't be so concerned about a Romney presidency.

However that's not the case. Remember that Boehner gave up on the debt deal for billions in cuts that turned out to be money that wasn't ever going to be spent.

McConnell was for Lisa Muffdiveski.

Not sure about the Boehner part but I definitely agree about McConnell. Regarding both positions, there is no guarantee that either man will retain their spot, especially if the make-up of both conferences change (though it would admittedly be harder with McConnell). But you would think that, if they happen to hold their spots and gain more conservative members in both conferences, said members would push them more. They would no longer have to settle with members of the opposition and I don't think a more conservative conference would accept it. Also consider that some of the current leaders are people who were forced to the backbenchers under Hastert and Frist because of they were "too conservative". I think the general make-up of Congress is undergoing a change.

319

If you're part of a delegation, you don't get to pick fellow members unless you're leading said delegation. That's just the way it works.

Posted by: Miss'80s at October 14, 2011 02:25 PM (d6QMz)

 

makes one wonder who is in charge of picking delegations and why the certain people are picked.

just yesterday there was an article in a major publication laying out how the GOP Establislment is co-opting and degrading the TEA Party movement.

it's worth a read.

 

320 "And they call Romney an opportunist. At least Romney had the balls to get in when the road looked a lot tougher. Not all these lazy, last minute  candidates who want in because the road looks easy now.

Posted by: Winning at October 14, 2011 02:30 PM (JuHsj)"

Lazy?  Perry has been Governor for 11 years, and worked his way up from nothing.  Literally nothing.

It's not like he was unemployed for the past several years, and ran for president.  He was busy.  He couldn't run a week before he did because the Texas Leg was in session.  He announced his candidacy early, historically.  Yeah, Romney was running first, but that's all he was doing for years.  He wasn't even leading as a pundit when we had the Obamacare debate (though Perry was out there getting hammered for saying Obamacare is unconstitutional at Tea Party rallies in Austin!)

No one thinks the road to the presidency is easy.  Don't be silly.

321 no but it's labor costs that are the major, major cost here

Yes....but... So if you look at a US manufacturing floor what do you see. Machines doing assembly and fabrication tasks. Not so many people. As a matter of fact, probably as few people as they can get away with. When you look at say a Chinese manufacturing plant...oodles of people.

So you have two sources of "work" people and machines.

In the US, people are expensive, so as much work as possible is done by machines.

In China, people are cheaper than energy, so people are used except where machines are required.



Yes labor costs are a big deal in the US, and a big cost to industry, and lowering them would help manufacturing. That btw equals lowering standard of living. Now in some cases where unions are choking industry it might be warranted but I think in most cases in the free market it is OK.

Lowering energy costs, however, makes the US' cheap source of work cheaper. And that effects all levels, making it more efficient to mine materials, manufacture top tier industrial products, operate the top tier industrial products to make consumer products. All levels become more efficient because all levels rely on energy.

In an economy where most of the *real* work is done by hydrocarbons and electrons, cheaper hydrocarbons and electrons means more *real* work can be done. Real work getting done means more stuff produced. We all get to have more without getting a pay cut. It's full of win.

Ok ok ok. Think of it this way. People are nearly free to hire, energy is abhorrently expensive. Your entire population is fully employed mostly swinging scythes. Your economy produces enough food to survive and that is it. The average person works 14 hours a day six or seven days a week.

Switch! Energy is nearly free, people are expensive. Your population for the most part is employed, however, not only do you have plenty of food to eat, you also have automobiles, big screen tv's, iphones, computers, stacks of entertainment choices, and you only work 8 hours a day 5 days a week.

322 Perry better have good people supporting him because his knowledge in any of these fields except maybe agriculture is severely lacking. The trouble he has in debates is directly related to this lack of knowledge. His expertise is Texas politics.

323 Here is a joke I am working on,

___X___  showed up in a flash and hungry like a Marxist hippie when the pizza arrives but ___X___ disappeared as fast and silently as a Marxist hippie when the pizza guy starts asking for money.

Feel free to mad libs in your disliked political opponents.

324

We're seeing a rerun of 1996 in many ways.  I remember so much frustration that after the 1994 revolution and the GOP takeover of the House, we did not seem to have a Presidential candidate that captured that sense of revolution.  And we ended up with Bob Dole.  But it was too soon.  There was not enough time for a "Class of '94" standardbearer in 1996.  And so it is too soon to expect a "Tea Party Candidate" to win the GOP nomination.  The closest we probably could have come to that was Chris Christie (and no, Sarah Palin would not count because she wasn't elected to anything after Obama was elected). 

Remember, even Ronald Reagan had to run once and lose before he was able to run and win.  And even Mitt Romney is a damn sight better than Bob Dole!  At least he is someone from outside the Beltway who hasn't spent his whole life as part of the DC ruling class.

325 How can you tell if a campaign ad is telling the truth?  If the exact same clip could be a campaign commercial or an attack ad, depending only on audience.

326 "289 I am for Perry.. I think he has the best shot at beating Obama.
All anyone cares about is jobs jobs jobs jobs and he has the best record.

Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at October 14, 2011 02:13 PM (qjUnn)"

I think this really is true if you think about the general election.

Romney has business success and that is something I am very impressed with personally, but it's success laying off Americans and outsourcing.  Bain has investments in 40 Chinese manufacturers.  Staples in particular, but many others, are huge boons for China, and represent a loss of American employment.

Is that Romney's fault?  No.  Romney had a duty to make profit, and nothing else, and Americans buy Chinese made crap, so that's the direction Romney invested in.  In fact, Bain was a pioneer in outsourcing to China.  They are the first American investment firm with an office in Beijing, as Bain China's website boasts.

Americans like you and me chose this when we buy cheap Chinese goods instead of expensive American ones, so again, not Romney's fault.

But in the general election, Perry is consistently always helping Americans get jobs.  Even before governor, he had a tremendous record selling Texas exports to Israel and Asia and Europe and many other places, flying all over the world to promote the virtues of Texan products.  In fact, Texas exports more goods than any other US State.

Perry is a simple narrative to present against Obama. Jobs jobs jobs because of less government.  Romney has a similar agenda, aside from his view on entitlements, but a) people have a hard time believing him and b) I think he will be palinized for his complex success story involving outsourcing.

I don't want to get into the religious thing.   I have no idea and never really understood the Mormon bashing, and I already think Perry is being based a lot too, so I think Romney and Perry are equally vulnerable for their faiths.

But in the general election, they both will be relentlessly demonized with a billion dollar mudslinging effort, and I think Perry's simpler response, based entirely on what he already did, beats Romney's complex response based on 160 pages of plans (And a lot of that is plans to make a plan later, if you read it).

Just saying.  I would probably want Mitt as an adviser on trade with China, and I'm not trying to be snarky about this, but as the top dog, folks want a leader.

327 336 Perry better have good people supporting him because his knowledge in any of these fields except maybe agriculture is severely lacking.

He knows enough to not support ethanol subsidies and to recognize the house of cards the science of AGW is. 

328 327 312 272 Romney has tons of money, and his tenacles are everywhere. Owning Clear Channel Radio makes him very powerful just from that alone.

I have really liked Rubio, and I hope that he hasn't been bought. ....We should wait and see how this shakes out.

Your first point is why I could see Cesar Conda (the aide who has been accused of doing this) being involved in this, since he has a history with Romney. But there are a number of holes in the story, especially considering some of the other players supposedly involved (Crist?) and the entire scheme. Romney was the first presidential candidate to mention Rubio as a potential VP pick and he's never backed-away from that. If you look at this from a cynical strategic standpoint, Rubio has spent a lot of time cultivating a conservative image and he has done everything right. Why risk that and a Senate career on a risky gimmick when you're guaranteed consideration? How does it help him?

329 Rick Pherry, let's get fabulous

330 Have you ever considered Rubio's judgement about Romney is right and you are wrong? Of course not.

331 Not to re-start this useless side debate, but the city of Pittsburgh's official site has the -H at the end. http://www.city.pittsburgh.pa.us/

332 333 makes one wonder who is in charge of picking delegations and why the certain people are picked.

just yesterday there was an article in a major publication laying out how the GOP Establislment is co-opting and degrading the TEA Party movement.

it's worth a read.

You can volunteer but leaders pick the people who go (IIRC). Often, they pick people based on committee assignments and expertise; the higher priority of the trip, the more that is taken into consideration. But that isn't always the case, as it depends on the type of trip and things.

John McCain- Senate Committee on Armed Services, Ranking Member

Lindsay Graham- Senate Committee on Armed Services

Mark Kirk-Senate Appropriations Subcommittee on State, Foreign Operations, and Related Programs

Marco Rubio- Committee on Foreign Relations

333 Romney's even smarter than you think because he's splitting the 70% *among* multiple candidates, not *between* them.

334 Darn good place for Perry to be after what happened in Harrisburg, PA two days ago.  There's good reason to believe that Harrisburg could become known as Obama's Waterloo ...   http://ow.ly/6XdT1 

335

Paul Zummo at October 14, 2011 02:56 PM (IGkEP)

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Of course it does.  All that stuff about Pittsburgh having officially dropped the "H" was just a bunch of goofin'.

336 Sorry Ed, I got through about the first 50 comments and just skimmed the rest.

337 " Romney's even smarter than you think because he's splitting the 70% *among* multiple candidates, not *between* them.

Posted by: SFGoth at October 14, 2011 03:00 PM (dZ756)"

He's amazing.  No one should underestimate him.

I just think one of his many skills is choosing positions that are contrary to what this nation needs.  We need to take some difficult and painful steps towards austerity that are not going to sit well with everyone.  The entire reason we're at this point is because politicians repeatedly pander and fail to cut spending, leaving a large debt for the next generation.

Sure, they could balance the budget and cut sacred cow agencies like Perry did in Texas, but then you don't win as many votes, duh, so the clever politicians don't do that.

We can turn that around by rewarding politicians who do cut spending and balance budgets.  Having that record should be very valuable, and not at all equivalent to a politician with little record and mere promises. 

Sadly, today, walking the walk is not as helpful as talking the talk on primetime TV.  Style beats substance.

338 "Have you ever considered Rubio's judgement about Romney is right and you are wrong? Of course not.

Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 14, 2011 02:50 PM (i9cTu)"

We can think for ourselves.  Citing 'but this popular dude disagrees' without explaining his argument for disagreeing is a lame rebuttal.  I don't even know that Rubio supports Romney.

What I do know is that Romney has tremendous power with the establishment party, so it's unwise for anyone to stand against him.  That's why all the debates are moderated by democrats.  These guys actually like that, and there's no one willing to say 'no, we're shouldn't embrace MSNBC'.  The power in this party is in DC, and the people who have persisted the longest have no problem with big government.

It's a systemic problem, and taking it on is very difficult.

339

340

It is not for naught that the Founding Fathers put that little phrase about no religious test in the Constitution. Could it be because it is such a huge waste of time worrying about what any particular candidate believes?

If I expect that any candidate believe the same thing that I do, I am probably going to be sorely disappointed.

I believe that the media emphasizes this same point to suck all the oxygen out of the air.

I am not going to vote for Romney. Ever. But not because he is Mormon, but because he is more of the same that we have had for years, and I do not want any more of it.

340

And Romney's wife is even more disturbing.  She boasts about what a good liar her husband is, and she gives money to help abort children.

 

She gave $ 150.00 to Planned Parenthood in 1994.  Big deal.

I'm talking about the present.  I'm talking about what Anita Perry said yesterday about her husband's willingness to enter this race.

341

342  Why risk that and a Senate career on a risky gimmick when you're guaranteed consideration? How does it help him?

Yeah, I don't know. It does seem like a risky gimmick. .....Maybe he didn't think it would ever be found out? People have underestimated such things before.

And given Rubio's insistence that he wouldn't accept the VP slot from anyone....it makes the whole thing even more curious.

342 25 If Miitens wants to keep using Brillcream he better realize that it comes from a barrel of petroleum.  Mittens is a titweasel.  That is all.

Posted by: mpfs, TPT at October 14, 2011 01:26 PM (iYbLN)

I always took him for a Dapper Dan man, myself.

343 355 342  Yeah, I don't know. It does seem like a risky gimmick. .....Maybe he didn't think it would ever be found out? People have underestimated such things before.

And given Rubio's insistence that he wouldn't accept the VP slot from anyone....it makes the whole thing even more curious.


I know politicians do stupid things all the time but this allegation seems really out of character. Securing an early primary would get the higher-ups to notice you but there are far easier and less risky ways of getting attention. Part of the motivation also seems rather odd. Conda wanted to negate Cain's momentum from the Florida straw poll and from Palin's positive comments about Cain by moving the primary date? How does that work?

344 Remember, you can't spell PittsburgH without H8TER!!!!

345 "

She gave $ 150.00 to Planned Parenthood in 1994.  Big deal.

I'm talking about the present.  I'm talking about what Anita Perry said yesterday about her husband's willingness to enter this race.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at October 14, 2011 03:11 PM (b68Df)"

I'm agreeing using the wife's comments is not a big deal, either Romney's wife paying for a child to be aborted, which I think is a pretty big deal in itself, or Perry's wife getting her feelings hurt because she's naive.

Hot Air has a great interview from Perry today discussing his wife's comments and Perry has not even a slight urge to cry victim, explaining his wife's attitude very effectively.  He also discusses his jobs proposal and that Mormon preacher that Mitt was somewhat complaining victimized him and must be repudiated.

Perry also discusses specifically what you're talking about, which is his motivation to be the president.  Perry notes he wore the uniform and I think that's a good point.  He understands duty.

Anyway, Perry came across so well in this interview despite the questions being fairly hostile.  He does very well in interviews and very badly in debates, and I wish I understood that.

Regardless, the guy is thinking quick on his feet and I think this could represent Perry finally getting his act together.

Anyway, if you're going to bash Perry for his wife defending him, you're going to see folks not that Mitt's wife donated to Planned Parenthood and described her husband as an amazing liar, who can argue things he doesn't believe so effectively she doesn't actually know what he believes.

346 BTW, Reggie, the fundraiser Mitt and Mitt's wife attended raised tons of money for Planned Parenthood, and we're not really sure how much they contributed in total, but their 37 years of advocating that Roe V Wade is "good law" is worth millions because they are Republicans.  That shifts the entire debate to the left.

Personally, I think we should just take everything each spouse says as largely irrelevant.  Mitt and Rick's wives just don't matter to this discussion.

347 Look, everytime a city changes a major city street name from something like "Army Street" to "Cesar Chavez Blvd" like San Francisco did, it ALWAYS takes years to get everyone on board with it. Yeah, the city changes the name.. They changed Army Street? Ahhh- I grew up in SF.

348 god dammit.  The 37 years of Roe V Wade is an error on my part.

They have supported abortion rights for 37 years, at least according to Mitt Romney's claims in MA debates.  They only started saying Roe V Wade is "good law" after that case occurred, obviously.

Then Mitt broke his promise to never waver in supporting this case in 2007, when he flip flopped on many issues.  That is the core of my problem with him.  I might even support Romney more if he was still the liberal on these issues he was for 37 years.  I admire a man who stands up for something, even if I disagree.

  It was so bad that he ordered law enforcement to finally do something about illegal immigration mere days before his term ended, after years of nothing on sanctuary cities in MA (Perry has attempted to ban them using emergency session powers, but has yet to succeed with this).

The wife stuff seems kinda silly.

Romney is the polished guy whose polish is actually insincere.  Perry is the guy with tourettes in the debates who remembers how to speak properly in the interviews, and at least knows what he really believes on the issues.

I guess I could complain about how neither of these men is really perfect for the job, but it does me no good.

349 Anybody but Romney.

350 Oh, and K-Lo at NRO can f*ck off with her call on Perry to apologize for the pastor's remarks.

I swear, I think I'm done with NRO.

Posted by: Dave at October 14, 2011 01:32 PM (Xm1aB)

I gave up on NRO years ago...got enough of K-Lo doing online orgasms for Romney the last election cycle to last me a lifetime and then some.

351 It's a start. But I want more for him. Stat.
Posted by: lu - Perrywinkle at October 14, 2011 01:27 PM (pLTLS)

Amen. This is the first sighting of the guy who I *thought* was running for president when Perry entered the race.

He can still pull this thing off - and whip Obama's butt next fall - but he needs more stuff like this, like right now.

352 David, it's particularly hilarious that Romney's campaign and followers went from crying about Romney's religion being the subject of ridicule to insisting Perry's wife is absurd for crying about Perry's religion being the subject of ridicule.

This doesn't piss me off as much as Cain claiming the N-word head thing was offensive before he had the facts, but Cain isn't expected to be a polished politician.

353

Palin supports to Perry?

nein, nein, nein!

354  supporters

355 I've long been a Palin supporter, and I like Perry best of the field.  I don't think this is very unusual.

But we aren't all zombies or anything.

356 In fact, I don't think Perry's ever had an unkind word to say about Palin, and he's supported her for years, including when a lot of Republicans shied away from her.

His energy proposals might as well be copied right off of her facebook page (and they are the right proposals).

I think Perry got off on the wrong foot with some Palin fans because his running may have prevented her from running, but I think they are similar.

357

I agree, while there's a lot I don't like about Romney on some policy issues, but at least he's a mature adult and maybe capable of surrounding himself witha  strong team and even learning some.  Hard to see that in the others, and Obama, of course, is beyond any hope.

Maybe the best of a bad lot, but still, the country will survive 4 years of Romney, not sure about Obama.

358

Mitt and Rick's wives just don't matter to this discussion.

 

Dustin:

Let me bring up another point.  Anita Perry gave a speech where she said that when she heard about Cain's 9-9-9 plan she thought of calling 911.

The spouses of candidates have a legitimate role in speaking to their character.  Why they believe they have the qualities to lead the nation.

But when you start in on the policies of other candidates, and when you declare your husband to be the only true conservative in the race, you go outside those boundries and legitimately open yourself up to criticism.

She should stick to telling people about the good qualities of her husband, and let her husband be the one who critiques the other candidates.

359 My Dad says that he thinks that Perry is rope-doping right now when the numbers don't mean shit. Supposedly once they get a little tired of throwing shots and start to forget about him he'll launch his whole wad and they'll never see it coming. I dunno about that. But if it makes him happy to think so, alright.

360 I always vacillate between liking Romney and thinking he's a weather vane- but he is smart and has learned from his mistakes. I still remember a CPAC speech he gave after the 08 convention- just brilliant red meat stuff. He reminds me a lot of Nixon- very cagey but likely to be a deal cutter as President. We could do worse- like lose.

361

Perry is talking energy policy here. It happens to help the economy, but I think the rest of the Republican field has said the same things about energy policy (I know Cain does) and that is expand domestic energy production. Perry is not too original.

362 Thank you for the good writeup. It in fact was a amusement account it. Look advanced to more added agreeable from you! However, how could we communicate?

363 I hope you never stop!  This is one of the best blogs Ive ever read.  Youve got some mad skill here, man.  I just hope that you dont lose your style because youre definitely one of the coolest bloggers out there.  Please keep it up because the internet needs someone like you spreading the word.

364 You really make it seem so uderstandable with your presentation but I find this topic before really hard to understand. It seems too complicated and very broad for me.

365

I am not clear if I totally understand the full thought pattern behind this.

366

I hope Perry gets his act together before it's too late (many pundits are claiming it is already).  He is IMO the best qualified, most capable conservative candidate available.  He is likable and can at times speak well.  It does seem like the establishment is jumping aboard the Romney train, though.

367 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

368 Why Not Put the Herman Cain 999 Plan together with the Perry Energizing America Plan and get it done. Cain is captivating people with his 999 Plan, but Perry's Energize America Plan is the most detailed Energy Plan I've seen. Cain: Cain's plan has the potential to free up American Economic Exceptionalism by: 1) Eliminating Capital Gains and Dividend Taxes...which frees up people to truly invest in America, which creates wealth and jobs. This is no small idea. This will unleash pent up investment in the real private sector. It will also broaden and deepen the investor class to working and middle class families. 2) Flat taxation on income...which allows individuals who have succeeded to be more likely to start new businesses and or, more likely to take discretionary income and invest it in great American companies. 3) Lower Corporate Taxes and Death of Loopholes and current Tax Code...... put every American business on a level playing field by having a flat tax and elimination of the Government picking winners and losers. Perry: The Plan is extensive. It let's America act like an Energy rich Nation, which it is and help create Economic Growth, while at the same time, makes us less dependent on Mid-East countries. Here are the 4 Primary Areas of the Energizing America Plan ..... 1 Expand energy exploration offshore and on federal and private lands across the country by executive order, creating over 1.2 million jobs 2 Eliminate current and proposed activist EPA regulations from the Obama administration, saving 2.4 million jobs by 2020 and lowering projected costs by $127 billion 3 Reduce, rebuild, and refocus the EPA federal regulators, returning authority to the states 4 Level the playing field for all energy producers, removing ObamaÂ’s practice of picking winners and losers and ending the Obama war on coal and natural gas production econus.blogspot.com

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