1 How heartless of him to say that.

2 Get yer ass on vacation.  Marco Rubio ain't gonna stalk himself.

3 Obama is soft and a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure

4

 He seems to have a real problem in debates.

The one minute limit on answers perhaps?  He gives an answer to the question which has typically been an attack on him so there's no time left to get any shots in at Obama and he's not asked questions to take shots at him.  So he's not good at those short soundbite only answers and his soundbites come in more naturally.  Unlike Mitt Romney who is of course the master of the one minute answer.  He'll even give a one minute answer to a question that doesn't require it, like "Do you think Obama is a socialist?"

5 What could SOFT be an acronym for?

Stuttering Orangutan Fucks Trees?

Ok, I'm not very good at this.

6 And he's hard? Ummm, okay...

7

Checked Yahoo mail and wished I hadn't.

News summary:

President Barack Obama steered the nation's war machine into uncharted territory Friday when a U.S. drone attacked a convoy in Yemen and killed two American citizens who had become central figures in al-Qaida.

Uncharted war machine territory!!1! Run for your lives!

8 "Obama is soft." Too much information. What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas.

9 Autofocus is on Cinemax right now,good flick about the life and death of Bob Crane.

10 Barky's soft? Someone should tell Moochelle.

11 What, our prez isn't the definition of  masculine in his mom jeans, knee pads, elbow pads and helmet riding a toy bike?

12 Maybe "soft" is some new hip-hop expression like def or bangin' or fly

13 Has anyone mentioned that President Regulation Checker(Obama) is a Stuttering Cluster**** of a Miserable Failure?

14 Bamster is soft in the head.

15 Go away Ace.

You suck at taking vacations.

How the hell are we ever going to get the hobo hunt going with 'dad' still around?

16

Ace has been watching us the whole time!

_{Put the bottles back.}

17 9 Autofocus is on Cinemax right now,good flick about the life and death of Bob Crane.
I no longer get Skinemax, . 

18 I posted a link earlier to a C-Span live townhall event Perry was having in NH.  He was very good.  Very good with the questions and very personable.

Yeah, he sucks at debates.

19 His poll is soft

20 18 I posted a link earlier to a C-Span live townhall event Perry was having in NH.  He was very good.  Very good with the questions and very personable.

Yeah, he sucks at debates.

Posted by: Tami at September 30, 2011 09:24 PM (X6akg)

How was obama at debates? I never watched. I imagine he got all softballs (no pun intended) thrown at him..

21 Maybe "soft" is some new hip-hop expression like def or bangin' or fly.

Soft is the new hard.

22 Ya know it could be worse, Biden could have been twins.

23 Gangsta Bitch Barbie: Fluff O Nutta

24 The sooner Ace scrams the faster we can get Adam Baldwin and Christina Hendricks in here to do their thing.

25 The anti-Obama crowd does have to worry that Perry'll fuck up his debate like Palin fucked up hers. Romney - whom I don't like either, btw - would at least hold Obama to a draw, like Bush against Kerry in '04.

26 Where's the "PPP has Obama in a statististical tie with Romney in CONNECTICUT" post?  That shit blew my dumb cracker mind.

27

How was obama at debates? I never watched. I imagine he got all softballs (no pun intended) thrown at him..

Posted by: lou at September 30, 2011 09:26 PM (R21xD)

I've wiped it from my memory but I do remember the SNL skit of a debate between 'Hillary' and 'Obama'.  They would ask Hillary long, complex questions and then turn to Obama and ask him if he'd like a pillow.

28

That's what I keep trying to tell people - get Perry in a room where he can actually TALK to people, he's great; the audiences eat it up.

The only people who are good at debating are the ones who went to Law School; they got lots of practice at that sort of stuff.

Perry studied Animal Husbandry and worked the land in a remote part of Texas; you learn to talk to people for longer periods of time when you're doing that.

He's going to surprise a lot of folks when the townhalls start happening; don't sell him short just yet.

29

I've wiped it from my memory but I do remember the SNL skit of a debate between 'Hillary' and 'Obama'.  They would ask Hillary long, complex questions and then turn to Obama and ask him if he'd like a pillow.

Posted by: Tami at September 30, 2011 09:28 PM (X6akg)

Tee hee, I chuckled. Thats what I figured..

30

Yep! I was agreed, I'll keep in touch to your blog.

There's the confirmation from the Thai tranny hooker.

31

How was obama at debates? I never watched. I imagine he got all softballs (no pun intended) thrown at him..

Posted by: lou at September 30, 2011 09:26 PM (R21xD)

What I remember best is the night he flipped Hills the bird.

32

How was obama at debates? I never watched. I imagine he got all softballs (no pun intended) thrown at him..

Posted by: lou at September 30, 2011 09:26 PM (R21xD

Heh, he was debating McCain. McCain hasn't strung together a coherent sentence since he was in his 60's.

33 Better figure out YouTube, fellas. Republicans need to understand and follow the protocols of the Elders of the Internet. If your video is not on YouTube, then it is NOT GETTING WATCHED.

34 What I remember best is the night he flipped Hills the bird.

Posted by: huerfano at September 30, 2011 09:29 PM (263hv)

Got him his street cred I suppose.. Frankly pathetic

35 President Barack Obama steered the nation's war machine into uncharted territory Friday

Really?  That is the AP writing that?  That's exactly the type of nonsense that they usually write about war-loving blood-thirsty proto-fascist tyrants like George Bush.

Wow.

36 #16 = You ate the tuna!!!

37 If Christina Hendricks was a conservative the morons would never stop fapping(as opposed to now,where we take breaks from fapping on occasion).

38 Addendum: This is why you're not a player Ace. You don't understand the internet.

39 Posted by: someguy at September 30, 2011 09:30 PM (V5MZG)

Youtube.  Meh.  That is so punching down.
Tweeting your videos - now that's the shit right there

40 #29 - I agree - don't count him out yet. Still he has a lot to make up and I dont know if he can do it...

41 Obama and McCain both got softballs, lou.

McCain was dead as of midSeptember because of the Lehmann Brothers failure. Everyone knew McCain would be the third Dubya term. (Except for reactionaries like me who saw McCain as the third McCain term.) The debates were late September through October. Obama (with Biden) treaded water and told pretty lies. That's all they had to do.

The real 2008 election was had in the Democratic Primary... like back in Texas, once upon a time.

42 #38 - I'll take a break when I'm dead.  Apparently Ace subscribes to the same theory re: the blog.

43 There are legitimate concerns about killing US citizens.What oversight ensures they only use it on people like Awalaki?What's to keep,say the Russians,from using it in defense of assassinating people in the US?

44 Are those gotcha things really debates? He's gonna have to ignore the questions of the urinalists, and the attacks of the RINOS, and just make his points.

45 This is a man who clearly hates softness.

46 46 I'm not looking.Is it Ron Jeremy or Peter North??

47

Presidentin' is hard.

48 chemjeff, someguy's sorta-right. Conservatives do have to understand Youtube.

I'm less convinced that Conservatives need to advertise on Youtube.

As I understand it, it's an outlet for out-of-work slackers who are there because they're not on dice.com looking for work. A better opportunity for Conservatives and the Right generally would be to snark at Youtube's trolls and losers (while not at Youtube itself). They can post their vids there and also to other sites.

49 Well look.  Okay Perry sucks at debates.  So how do you think he is going to do at his first Presidential press conference?

50

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at September 30, 2011 09:39 PM (6GvAC)

oh I agree actually, I'm just snarking at Mr. Punching Down someguy

51 50 Well look. Okay Perry sucks at debates. So how do you think he is going to do at his first Presidential press conference?

Posted by: chemjeff at September 30, 2011 09:39 PM (s7mIC)

Well I doubt there is going to be a bell telling him to stop, or 6 other people beside him trying to talk over him, or a moderator trying to get him to stop talking.

52 steevy 44: or, with more justification, for Mexican vigilantes against government agents here.

See, this is why while I'm annoyed by Solyndra, I am viscerally shit-scared of Fast - Furious.

53 42 Obama and McCain both got softballs, lou.

McCain was dead as of midSeptember because of the Lehmann Brothers failure. Everyone knew McCain would be the third Dubya term. (Except for reactionaries like me who saw McCain as the third McCain term.) The debates were late September through October. Obama (with Biden) treaded water and told pretty lies. That's all they had to do.

The real 2008 election was had in the Democratic Primary... like back in Texas, once upon a time.

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at September 30, 2011 09:34 PM (6GvAC)

Yeah, but it was mccains turn/

So sick of the rnc giving people their turn. Lets put someone in office who has good ideas, fuck the deserve it bs..

54 There are legitimate concerns about killing US citizens.What oversight ensures they only use it on people like Awalaki?What's to keep,say the Russians,from using it in defense of assassinating people in the US?

Posted by: steevy at September 30, 2011 09:35 PM (fyOgS)

I have a problem with it. Not that awalaki didn't deserve it, he probably did. We just crossed a line though where one man can make that choice regarding another citizen regardless of how much a dirtbag that citizen is. I just don't like it.

55 #50 - What I wouldn't give to see it!

56 53 Well, yeah,I've stated repeatedly that the US government committed an act of war against Mexico.

57 Okay Perry sucks at debates.  So how do you think he is going to do at his first Presidential press conference?



According to the MSM? Why would I care?

58

Posted by: Fluffy's ghost at September 30, 2011 09:33 PM

WTF? Where did I put Dr Venkman's phone number?

59

Posted by: buzzion at September 30, 2011 09:41 PM (GULKT)

the point is, is that a presidential press conference is very "debate like" in the sense that Perry is not in control of the questions, and the "moderators" (i.e. reporters) are going to be fairly hostile towards him and his answers.

Projecting yourself as a leader is not a trivial obligation you know.

60 55 NRO had a good debate on it with people coming down on both sides.Kevin Williamson makes a good case against.

61 YOU LIE! On a beach somewhere.

62 well the great debater is a scoamf

63 I sincerely hope that what we've seen from Perry is him finding his feet.If he stays at the level he's been at he may Fred Thompson himself.

64   64 well the great debater is a scoamf

Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 30, 2011 09:45 PM (eOXTH)

Indeed

65 Ace working OT tonight. Much appreciated.

66 Ace working OT tonight. Much appreciated. Posted by: dogfish at September 30, 2011 09:46 PM (8A4Ml) Well it's a rain delay after all

67 The Cat's away..the mouse will comment on Moochelle's looks.

68 We just crossed a line though where one man can make that choice regarding another citizen regardless of how much a dirtbag that citizen is. I just don't like it.

Posted by: robtr at September 30, 2011 09:41 PM (MtwBb)

If you're waging war on the United States does it make any difference if you're a citizen or not? Either way you're still an enemy combatant, he's no different then Bin laden.

69 Okay I'm trying not to be a dick.  I honestly have not yet settled on a candidate.  I like Perry for his record but he seems too much like a stuffed shirt and not the right guy for the job at this time as he seems to be full of just stale ideas.  I like Romney because he seems more electable, plus he has excellent managerial skills, but there is that big trustworthiness issue.  So I pick on Perry not because I am doing the bidding of Romney or something, but because I am still sorting it out in my mind.  The ultimate goal in my mind is ABO and so whatever is best for getting SCOAMF out of there is what I will support.  I am just not sure who that person is yet.

70 In my mind: if you embrace Islam, you are no longer a citizen. Islam has one model of the world, the state, and how religion interacts with both; the United States has another. These are not compatible.

I'd prefer if this were official policy, though.

71 I would call Romney a stuffed shirt and Perry untrustorthy.

72 robtr I can sympathize, having pretty strong libertarian views myself on the matter, but I also think that the cause of liberty can best be advanced by not going out on extreme limbs and defending the indefensible in the name of... what, exactly?  That is what I have a hard time wrapping my head around.  If al-Awlaki had been a drug dealer or something I would be more upset about it, because at least drug dealers, as scummy as they are, have willing customers.  But he was a terrorist, blowing up babies.  I can't really get my libertarian outrage suit on for that.

73

I'll take a stuffed shirt over a Corrutocrat of any sort - any day.

 

74 I posted a link earlier to a C-Span live townhall event Perry was having in NH. He was very good. Very good with the questions and very personable. Wish we could have seen it. Does this mean we can have some faith that he can make us proud in the coming months? Otherwise, we are going to have to start drinking heavily.

75 #60 Is it 867-5309??? or is that Jammimg Jennie?

76 mmmm, stuffed suet

77 I am just not sure who that person is yet. Posted by: chemjeff at September 30, 2011 09:51 PM (s7mIC) That person for me is ABBO ( Any Body But Obama ). So I will not say bad about any Republican Candidate. OK let them fight it out, but please keep it civil. All I care about at this point is that ABBO beats obama. I just don't think we can survive 4 more years of this guy. ABBO might not end up being my favorite and he might have worts but I'm supporting ABBO.

78 We just crossed a line though where one man can make that choice regarding another citizen regardless of how much a dirtbag that citizen is. I just don't like it.

Posted by: robtr at September 30, 2011 09:41 PM (MtwBb)

You'd still feel this way if one of his plans killed you or your family members?

79

Projecting yourself as a leader is not a trivial obligation you know.

Posted by: chemjeff at September 30, 2011 09:43 PM (s7mIC)

thats right, not one that says we are weak. he needs a clue. thats not who we are. we are the strongest in the world.  who is this jerkoff to sat we are weak? look around bigears its not us, its you.

80

A self admitted member of al queda. Al queada declared war on the United States on September 11, 2001.

May he and his little doggie samir rest in pieces.

81 Killed in combat would be no problem,targeted for death is a slippery slope.

82 Here's the video of his townhall tonight

http://tinyurl.com/3ve3svp

83 Oh one more thing: assassination is a perfectly valid tool of war, and the responsibility of a nationstate incorporates controlling what its citizens may or may not do against other states. Yemen (under Saleh anyway) proved that it would not arrest Awlaki, which makes it an enemy; or else that it could not, which makes it terra nullius and a den of pirates.

Either way, the raid on Awlaki was legal.

84 IOW we shouldn't go all PETA-like in our defense of individual liberty.  What I mean is, the *idea* of PETA - treat animals ethically - is a very sound idea, but they go absolutely waaaaay too far with their batshit insane stunts.  So they actually harm their cause in the process.  So I think the cause of liberty can best be served by nudging it forward, instead of making absolutist stands in defense of absolute scumbags, even worse than your typical skinhead Nazi protester.

85 We just crossed a line though where one man can make that choice regarding another citizen regardless of how much a dirtbag that citizen is. I just don't like it. Posted by: robtr at September 30, 2011 09:41 PM (MtwBb) Sorry I don't buy that. This guy effectively revoked his own citizenship by declaring War on the USA. Good riddance

86

I'm just a meanhearted old Republican, so what do I know?

87 Awesome Thanks for the link Tami

88

Obama assassinated an American.

Is it a win? yes.

If it can be used to bring down JEPOS? Terrible act, yes.

89 71 Okay I'm trying not to be a dick.  I honestly have not yet settled on a candidate. 

Posted by: chemjeff at September 30, 2011 09:51 PM (s7mIC)

Join the club. The more I think about Perry and his reactions to immigration, the tenth amendment, etc. the less I like him. This may sound strange but Romney thinks to much like a business man, always willing to try a new tact, rethink problems, rely on experts, etc.  I don't consider him flipflopping as much as reassessing all the time, that's the way he thinks. Might work in business but politics is based on convection.

90 I'm far from comfortable with Obama(or any US President actually),deciding that US citizens can be killed without trial.

91

If you're waging war on the United States does it make any difference if you're a citizen or not? Either way you're still an enemy combatant, he's no different then Bin laden.

Posted by: lowandslow at September 30, 2011 09:50 PM (GZitp)

I'm not going to defend the dirtbag, I am just saying that as a citizen he was entitled to someone else to defend him. I am not a fan of the government deciding what citizen they can kill without a trial. This guy is probably the wrong example but what's to guarantee that will always be the case now that the geni is out of the bottle?

92 Tami: You'd still feel this way if one of his plans killed you or your family members?

If it killed me, I wouldn't be feeling much of anything. :^)

If it killed a family member, I'd try to keep my personal feelings away from a dispassionate view of what might be legal. I was upset enough that I was willing to disobey American law, then I'd have to take my lumps if I got caught. That's justice.

93 There are some people in this world who have made the decision to become someone who needs to eat a bomb. Scum like that choose it themselves. The dirtbag will be a martyr for the cause, but at least he is dead dead dead.

Good riddance to bad rubbish, and the politics be damned.

94 Posted by: nevergiveup at September 30, 2011 09:56 PM (gh0KW)

That is probably a good philosophy for me to take at this point.  I should probably shut up about all of the primary candidates (well, except Tardisil Michele) because it's a given I'll vote for whomever it is in the fall.  Hell I'll campaign and donate to them.  But I honestly can't say that I can support Perry over Romney, or Romney over Perry, right now.

95 Re the killing of the American leader of Al-killya..

They declared war on us. Imagine he's alive in the 40's and went to North Africa and joined the Nazis. Refused to wear a uniform. We pop him twice in the eyeballs and throw him in a ditch., No difference. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

96 Even self admitted traitors? Even ones giving public aid and comfort to the enemy?

97

Was it the Mom jeans or the Bitch bike?

98 They never should have started this game in NY. I am not in NY and was not watching the forecast, but what asshole decided to play this game

99 I don't give a shit about that piece of human filth.That's not the issue.The issue is that it's a bad precedent.

100 I have seen him in Texas for years now, and even though he is more conservative than most, Perry is a politician at heart.I think he was very astute to associate with the Tea Party at it's inception, but he has grown government jobs here in Texas. So...to my mind, he is better than Romney, but will he get the job done? Hmmm...

101 The ultimate goal in my mind is ABO and so whatever is best for getting SCOAMF out of there is what I will support.  I am just not sure who that person is yet.

RINO !!!!

/internetpuritybrigade

102 Rick Perry wants to take masculinity back to the Jim Crow era.

103 Killed in combat would be no problem,targeted for death is a slippery slope.

Operation Flyswatter ring a bell? 

104 But I honestly can't say that I can support Perry over Romney, or Romney over Perry, right now. Posted by: chemjeff at September 30, 2011 10:02 PM (s7mIC) I hear ya. But ABBO is still looking good to me. That thought lets me sleep at night with out crying or drinking to excess.

105 101 I don't give a shit about that piece of human filth.That's not the issue.The issue is that it's a bad precedent.

Actually I don't mind the precedent so much - if you're an American citizen, but you go overseas, renounce your citizenship in deed (if not technically), and declare war on your former country, then you deserve what you get.  I'm not going to waste righteous libertarian outrage over this guy.

106 105 I mean a US citizen,I have no problem killing foreigners.I do think assassination is a legitimate tool(again of foreign nationals).

107 Satan's Ghost: I assume we did some of that in the Cold War against Soviet spies who were "American citizens" found abroad.

Morons! Perspective here. Awlaki wasn't some Tea Party guy out in London giving speeches at a Lord Monckton or Daniel Hannan tea soiree. He was a terrorist who used his American citizenship as a shield as he inspired terrorists here to murder American troops.

108 RINO !!!!

/internetpuritybrigade

Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 30, 2011 10:05 PM (SY2Kh)

fuck you, you twatwaffle POS

109

It's bad precedent to kill someone that joined an orginization that declared war on your country? A person that ran that orginizations propaganda effort? A person that ran away to a foriegn hellhole to further the cause of that orginization?

Wow. Is all I have to say.

110 re the death of Awlaki -- just imagine the cries from the Left had Bush done it.
 
I'm glad the dirtbag is taking a dirt nap. But I can't help but picture the Bush impeachment calls from our Progressive friends.

111 I don't give a shit about that piece of human filth.That's not the issue.The issue is that it's a bad precedent. Posted by: steevy at September 30, 2011 10:04 PM (fyOgS) He forfeited his citizenship when he declared war on America. Seems pretty simple to me.

112 88

I'm just a meanhearted old Republican, so what do I know?

Posted by: TexasJew at September 30, 2011 10:00 PM (7tMWs)

throw some rock salt on the slippery slope and hope hope for the best.

113 Where's the "PPP has Obama in a statististical tie with Romney in CONNECTICUT" post?  That shit blew my dumb cracker mind.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 30, 2011 09:28 PM (hIWe1)

Or the one showing Obama losing Pennsylvania, Colorado, Nevada, New Mexico, Florida, Virginia, Ohio, North Carolina and New Hampshire that was released Thursday? He loses every swing state save for Minnesota, Wisconsin and Iowa in that PurpleStateStrategies poll.

114 If your using people who have denounced America as an excuse to kill them you could have set up a machine gun and killed every hippy waving the North Vietnam flag walking down Pennsylvania Ave. in the 60's and 70's.

115 Yes! That piece of shit deserved the Hellfire. But what if Bush targeted an American?

116 I'm not comfortable with the growth of executive power invested in the presidency since 9/11.It can be misuesd,it will be.That's what I'm saying.

117

In regards to al-Awlaki - if the DOJ wanted to make a case for trying a terrorist in an American courtroom, that was one of the FEW cases where they had a semi-legitimate argument.

And yet, they made a conscious choice to take him out, and they continue to tell the country that GITMO needs to be closed and we need to "show the world" what good people we are by trying war criminals in an American court of law.

And you know that they are going to double down on all of that when Barky and crew are all run out of town on a rail in January, 2013.....

118 111

It's bad precedent to kill someone that joined an orginization that declared war on your country? A person that ran that orginizations propaganda effort? A person that ran away to a foriegn hellhole to further the cause of that orginization?

Wow. Is all I have to say.

Posted by: GMB at September 30, 2011 10:07 PM (wY55N)

Thank you. Treason is punishable by death,  or it used to be

119

It's bad precedent to kill someone that joined an orginization that declared war on your country? A person that ran that orginizations propaganda effort? A person that ran away to a foriegn hellhole to further the cause of that orginization?

Wow. Is all I have to say.

Posted by: GMB at September 30, 2011 10:07 PM (wY55N)

Yeah....I'm ok with this precedent.  Treason has consequences.

120 God Damn America! God Damn America......

121 Posted by: robtr at September 30, 2011 10:08 PM (MtwBb)

But there's a difference between "denouncing America" and "moving overseas and providing material support to your enemies"

I totally agree that idjits who declare America to be a fascist imperalist hopeless den of iniquity should have the full protection of the Constitution, even if they are a bunch of twatwaffles

But when they move overseas and declare war on their country and provide material support for our sworn enemies, then that's a line that THEY have crossed

122

I'm not going to defend the dirtbag, I am just saying that as a citizen he was entitled to someone else to defend him. I am not a fan of the government deciding what citizen they can kill without a trial. This guy is probably the wrong example but what's to guarantee that will always be the case now that the geni is out of the bottle?

Posted by: robtr at September 30, 2011 10:01 PM (MtwBb)

This isn't a gray area or slippery slope, the guy was at war with the nation. He was a non-uniformed enemy combatant just like the rest of al qaeda and isn't entitled to our civilian justice system. He just deserved to be killed.

123 It's a national disgrace to have a president one-hop a first pitch to the plate. Didn't anyone play catch with Little Barry? I guess the only thing the "father figures" in Barack's life were slinging was dick up in his mom.

124 If your using people who have denounced America as an excuse to kill them you could have set up a machine gun and killed every hippy waving the North Vietnam flag walking down Pennsylvania Ave. in the 60's and 70's. Posted by: robtr at September 30, 2011 10:08 PM (MtwBb) He didn't just verbally denounce America. He has been trying to KILL Americans, Damage American Vital Interests, And did I mention KILL Americans and if the reports today are true, trying to get Weapons of Mass Destruction to better kill Americans. Fuck him. A missile strike was to good for him. I can think of 100 other ways he should have gone to his maker. But that's just me

125 112 re the death of Awlaki -- just imagine the cries from the Left had Bush done it.... I can't help but picture the Bush impeachment calls from our Progressive friends.

Yeah, and I'd be whizzing on Awlaki's grave and laughing at the Lefties same as... I'm doing it now and laughing at some of the commenters here.

I'm just glad that not all of the morons here are suddenly kumbaya hippies now that a Democrat is punching our existential enemies' tickets.

126 118 I'm not comfortable with the growth of executive power invested in the presidency since 9/11.It can be misuesd,it will be.That's what I'm saying.

Posted by: steevy at September 30, 2011 10:08 PM (fyOgS)

I totally and completely agree with you here.

But I mean this with all sincerity.  The cause of liberty won't be served by defending dirtbags like Aw-Unlucky here.

127 128 Again,I'm not defending him.

128 But when they move overseas and declare war on their country and provide material support for our sworn enemies, then that's a line that THEY have crossed

Posted by: chemjeff at September 30, 2011 10:10 PM (s7mIC)

A bunch of them did that chemjeff, they moved to Canada and other places and openely backed and supported North Vietnam.

I don't see anything in the constitution allowing what happened but WTF it's like over 100 years old and stuff.

129

>>>>>If your using people who have denounced America as an excuse to kill them you could have set up a machine gun and killed every hippy waving the North Vietnam flag walking down Pennsylvania Ave. in the 60's and 70's.<<<<<

I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.....

130

It's bad precedent to kill someone that joined an orginization that declared war on your country? A person that ran that orginizations propaganda effort? A person that ran away to a foriegn hellhole to further the cause of that orginization?

Wow. Is all I have to say.

Nobody (well, except perhaps Ron Paul) is shedding any tears for the evil son of a bitch. I think the point is that for the government to target and kill a US citizen, for any reason, without due process starts brushing up against lines we don't want to cross.

131 Never let a good crisis, or a good axlerod, go to waste.

132

@116

That would have been wrong? 

My old man fought and was wounded in Vietnam.  His brother was one of the hippies waving the North Vietnamese flag.  They didn't speak to each other for decades and my dad didn't go to his brother's funeral.

133 I don't understand why we report everything we do.  Fuck the AQ traitor, I'm glad he's dead.  But why not assassinate our enemies and shut the fuck up about it?

134 Dammit, one of these days I'm going to figure out why the italics thingy sometimes works like I want it to, and sometimes doesn't.

135 A bunch of them did that chemjeff, they moved to Canada and other places and openely backed and supported North Vietnam. I don't see anything in the constitution allowing what happened but WTF it's like over 100 years old and stuff. Posted by: robtr at September 30, 2011 10:13 PM (MtwBb) They were not actively trying to kill Americans

136 For you, robtr 116:

Those who refuse to support and defend a state have no claim to protection by that state. Killing an anarchist or a pacifist should not be defined as “murder” in a legalistic sense. The offense against the state, if any, should be “Using deadly weapons inside city limits,” or “Creating a traffic hazard,” or “Endangering bystanders,” or other misdemeanor. However, the state may reasonably place a closed season on these exotic asocial animals whenever they are in danger of becoming extinct. An authentic buck pacifist has rarely been seen off Earth, and it is doubtful that any have survived the trouble there...regrettable, as they had the biggest mouths and the smallest brains of any of the primates. The small-mouthed variety of anarchist has spread through the Galaxy at the very wave front of the Diaspora; there is no need to protect them. But they often shoot back.

-- Robert Heinlein

I regret to inform that your post 116 will not work on me. Try another tactic.

137 But why not assassinate our enemies and shut the fuck up about it? Posted by: Max Hitpoints at September 30, 2011 10:15 PM (NQqz7) because obama thinks it will help his re-election

138 watching Pearl Harbor. we didn't drop enough nukes on the Japs

139 It's important for a president to be a good debater. Because he'll have to do that SO OFTEN as president.

140 My only problem with whacking the guy is the publicity. Should have been: a traitor dies in mysterious explosion, Pentagon says shit like that happens in Yemeni Civil wars, CIA says no comment, and would you look at that - the baseball playoffs have gotten under way ...

141 we didn't drop enough nukes on the Japs Posted by: USS Diversity at September 30, 2011 10:18 PM (aD5Kx) Actually we dropped all we had.

142 140 That movie blows A-bombs.

143 If your using people who have denounced America as an excuse to kill them you could have set up a machine gun and killed every hippy waving the North Vietnam flag walking down Pennsylvania Ave. in the 60's and 70's.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

144 143 True.One test in the Trinity shot and 2 used.Our whole "stockpile",and bombs were handmade affairs for some time to come too.

145 My only problem with whacking the guy is the publicity. Should have been: a traitor dies in mysterious explosion, Pentagon says shit like that happens in Yemeni Civil wars, CIA says no comment, and would you look at that - the baseball playoffs have gotten under way ... Posted by: Jean at September 30, 2011 10:18 PM (uekSI) Which is exactly what Israel does,but you have a President desperate to get re-elected

146 folks, Awlaki and Micheal Jackson are atill dead. for some reason that doesnt bother me that much.

147 yeah but still...

148 Exactly Max

149 If you lay with dogs, you will sleep with the fishes.

150 A bunch of them did that chemjeff, they moved to Canada and other places and openely backed and supported North Vietnam.

And if they had joined up with the NVA, you would have had GIs read them their rights instead of shooting them?

It's a war, not a criminal justice matter. Just like we've been telling lefties since 2001.

151

Nobody (well, except perhaps Ron Paul) is shedding any tears for the evil son of a bitch. I think the point is that for the government to target and kill a US citizen, for any reason, without due process starts brushing up against lines we don't want to cross.

 

Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 30, 2011 10:14 PM (SY2Kh)

True.  But what would be the best comparison to someone joining Al Qaeda and plotting to attack us?  Especially at his apparent level in the organization.  I mean wasn't he essentially a general in a foreign army that is at war with us?  Even as a US citizen isn't that someone who should be considered a valid military target and the method for handling should be "to takedown" rather than "capture for trial?"

152

The traitors that moved to Canada during the Vietnam War.  If they gave material aid and support to the enemy, they were valid targets. I can not help it that Nixon et al were too weak to kill them.

153 If a US citizen picks up a gun and aims it at a Policeman and gets blown away, do we call that denying him his civil rights or suicide by cop?

154 hell afterall, riverrats and turtles have to eat......

155 The only good Jap is a dead Jap

156 And if they had joined up with the NVA, you would have had GIs read them their rights instead of shooting them?

It's a war, not a criminal justice matter. Just like we've been telling lefties since 2001.

Posted by: Waterhouse at September 30, 2011 10:22 PM (ldBU/)

Whatever dude, I was a Marine in that war and I was unaware we had combat troops in Canada. My point was they were helping the NVA from Canada.

We haven't done this before to my knowledge and I don't like if you do we disagree.

157 I guess we should have tried him in absentia in the classified, national security court, sentanced him to death ... then packed the appeal filing paperwork into a thumbdrive stuffed into a hellfire.

158 President Barack Obama steered the nation's war machine into uncharted territory Friday when a U.S. drone attacked a convoy in Yemen and killed two American citizens who had become central figures in al-Qaida.

So I suppose those asshole news types would rather that someone from the FBI be sent in and arrest the guy?

159 True.  But what would be the best comparison to someone joining Al Qaeda and plotting to attack us?

I'd have been a lot more comfortable with blowing his goat molesting ass away had he either been tried in absentia or simply had his citizenship revoked.  Neither would've bee a great burden to the war on terror since there's so few Americans on the hit list.

Filthy foreigners?  Fuck 'em.

160

He was a recruiting tool for al quieda.

161 My point was they were helping the NVA from Canada. There is a bog difference between giving moral support to an enemy of ours and actually sticking an explosive in a persons's underware and trying to blow 300 people out of the sly

162 Robtr - many german-americans were kia during ww2, no trials.

163 159 I guess we should have tried him in absentia in the classified, national security court, sentanced him to death ... then packed the appeal filing paperwork into a thumbdrive stuffed into a hellfire.

Posted by: Jean at September 30, 2011 10:30 PM (uekSI)

Nice.

164 tried in absentia or simply had his citizenship revoked. Given our legal system, neither of those is a workable solution. The missile was

165 Technically, I think the hellfire revoked his citizenship

166 Scoamf Our Floating Turd.

167 robtr, Alwaki became, essentially, a terrorist which is in the same category as pirate. The civilized world, including the good ol' US of A, had a policy of dealing with these kinds of scum and it was known as summary execution. I guess Obama has decided to revisit that centuries old policy.


Also

We haven't done this before to my knowledge and I don't like if you do we disagree.

Posted by: robtr at September 30, 2011 10:29 PM (MtwBb)

I'm pretty sure USA has killed American citizens before, I'd be very surprised if the occasion has never arisen in our history.

168 tried in absentia or simply had his citizenship revoked. Given our legal system, neither of those is a workable solution. The missile was Posted by: nevergiveup at September 30, 2011 10:36 PM (gh0KW) In addition, he was a clear and present danger to the United States of America and needed to be dealt with

169

I'm pretty sure USA has killed American citizens before, I'd be very surprised if the occasion has never arisen in our history.

 

Posted by: KG at September 30, 2011 10:38 PM (LD21B)

1861-1865

170 I agree with Teresa from Fort Worth, I also have a friend in Texas who really likes Perry and I trust her judgment along with what I have seen so far.  The media set out to derail Perry from the beginning.  They went to that horrid Santorum just so he would tear into him.  Also that Bachman nut.  I do not like canidates who try to destroy others to bring attention to themselves and I truly believe that is what tanked Bachman.  As far as that horrid Santorum he is nothing but an establishmen suck up and he can't get the nomination.  As far as Cain is concerned, we just don't know enough about this guy.  He is a follower of NWO( new world order)  He doesn't want the FED audited.  Why?  and he is for continuing the affirmation action position this government has held for far too long.  We should be considered for jobs and schools on our merit not on RACE, COLOR, or GENDER.  That is just not fair for anyone.  Cain needs to be checked out a lot more.  Another interview with Chris Wallace is just what we need.  He showed just how out of touch the man really is.

171 157 The only good Jap is a dead Jap

Posted by: USS Diversity at September 30, 2011 10:28 PM (aD5Kx)

easy now, i worked with this one a while back who i would have banged  like a 56 Chevy on a old dirt road slinging graval against the floorpan

172 I have no doubt, but also no proof, that American Citizens were killed during the cold war.

173

1861-1865

Posted by: buzzion at September 30, 2011 10:40 PM (GULKT)

Well, obviously, but I'm sure we've had at least a few dozen citizens over the years who've decided to become terrorists, pirates, or otherwise traitors with our enemies, and I'm sure we dealt with them harshly.

174 Excellent blog, thanks for the share. I'll be a regular viewer.

175 They never should have started this game in NY. I am not in NY and was not watching the forecast, but what asshole decided to play this game

That would be one Bud Selig, the creator of the All Star game must mean something crap.

176 117 I certainly hope that there was sufficient anesthetic on that missile. Otherwise, it'd be inhuman.

I'd be sure to pour some vodka on that missile, you know, to sterilise it. Also, pork fat for lubrication

177 >>> So I pick on Perry not because I am doing the bidding of Romney or something, but because I am still sorting it out in my mind. The ultimate goal in my mind is ABO and so whatever is best for getting SCOAMF out of there is what I will support. I am just not sure who that person is yet. Posted by: chemjeff at September 30, 2011 09:51 PM (s7mIC) If you're considering Romney, you may as well just write in Hillary Clinton - she could probably beat Obama as the Republican nominee too.

178 >>> I don't consider him flipflopping as much as reassessing all the time, that's the way he thinks. Might work in business but politics is based on convection. Posted by: lowandslow at September 30, 2011 10:01 PM (GZitp) uhh.. riiiiiight.

179 >>> But I honestly can't say that I can support Perry over Romney, or Romney over Perry, right now. Posted by: chemjeff at September 30, 2011 10:02 PM (s7mIC) I support any Republican over Romney. I will probably vote for whoever is polling the highest and whose name is not Romney in the primary. If the general is Romney vs. Obama, I put the chances at about <0.1% that I'll vote for Romney - in fact, I've been working on convincing everyone I know not to vote for Romney in the general if he is nominated. Pointless to try and convince anyone here. All you guys seem to care about is the "R" by the name.

180 I support any Republican over Romney. I will probably vote for whoever is polling the highest and whose name is not Romney in the primary. If the general is Romney vs. Obama, I put the chances at about <0.1% that I'll vote for Romney - in fact, I've been working on convincing everyone I know not to vote for Romney in the general if he is nominated. Pointless to try and convince anyone here. All you guys seem to care about is the "R" by the name.

Posted by: gm at September 30, 2011 11:11 PM (K0tm3)

And then what? What's the next phase of your brilliant plan?

181

The media set out to derail Perry?

Perry is a pay-for-play politician and we do not need his sort in our government.  His record of rewarding his donors is worse than Blagojevich in Chicago!  In fact if Perry were from Chicago instead of Texas he would be a Democrat and he would be exactly the same, taking bribes right and left.

I am so sick of dumb politicians.  I want someone who worked in college and not someone who partied a way their "networking" meaning bribing people, instead of learning.

Why do we only have people who could get no more than "C"s in college running this country?  Our congress is filled with C students!!!!  I want people smarter than I am in Washington!

It seems to be a rush to the dumbest in both parties!!!!! Not since Clinton has their been anyone with the brains and work ethic even run for office! And he must have had an F in ethics!

Bush and Kerry were in a contest for who had the most Cs and Ds!  Obama's grades are so dismal their release is a national security risk!

It is ridiculous that this buffoon, Rick Perry, was ever elected to anything with a 1.9 GPA.  How did someone like that ever become Governor?

I want someone smart please.  And I mean book smart and street experienced!  Not a bureaucrat who has leeched off the system their whole lives. 

I want someone who knows business, knows how to make a pay roll.  Someone who understands the consequence of what government does to my life because they have lived it!  Not because they did a poll that said people are hurting, but understand because they had to deal with the red tape and insanity of our laws because they lived it too!

Our government has no idea what it feels like to have your decisions made for you in Washington.  They are too dumb to make a decent grade in school.  They are all popularity and hype.  They were home coming queens and student body presidents.  They have lived within the bubble of politics their whole lives where nothing they ever did had any real effect on how much money they made.

Rick Perry is a government bureaucrat who has never had to work for anything.  He couldn't even be bothered to study up or practice for a Presidential debate.  His sense of entitlement sucks!

Rick Perry thought all he had to do was show up and all the girls would fall at his feet the way they have all his life!!!!  He tried to get Murdock to make the debate shorter to trick people so they wouldn't know that he can't concentrate on anything more than an hour.  His brain shuts off.

It makes me outraged that anyone would think that man could get this country out of this mess.  His IQ can't be over 80!  He is a complete dunce.

 

182 I too will campaign tirelessly for Senor Perry. My people love him.

183 >>> And then what? What's the next phase of your brilliant plan? Posted by: lowandslow at September 30, 2011 11:25 PM (GZitp) My only plan is to try and keep Romney from getting nominated. If it is Obama v. Romney, I think we're screwed either way (but probably more screwed with Romney because he will take the conservative movement and the GOP down with him).

184

Clinton was a genius???  How do you know this, did you go to school with him and see his grade cards because no one else saw them , they are locked up like Obamas and no one has ever seen them.  I guess you want another president that parses his words like "it depends on what the word is means".  I don't think you know what you are talking about.  After reading your post I believe Obama may be your man.  Perry is a down to earth guy who has done more for Texas than Bush or Richards ever did.  We don't need any more socialist professors with ivy league degress they are nothing more than educated idiots.  They are dangerous.  I say give us a man of the people.  And Perry is a man of the people.

185

"I say give us a man of the people. And Perry is a man of the people."

 

man of the people?

really?

80% of the public are opposed to in-state tution for illegals, Perry says they are all "heartless"

 

yep, Man of People.... you stick with that.

186 I like Republicans, Romney is a Republican why should I have to make any more sense than that?

187 I kinda like what petunia had to say. A lot.

188

President Barack Obama steered the nation's war machine into uncharted territory Friday when a U.S. drone attacked a convoy in Yemen and killed two American citizens who had become central figures in al-Qaida.

Uncharted war machine territory!!1! Run for your lives!

Posted by: Mama

 

-Don't need no stinkin' charts.  Predator drones use GPS.

189

i'll take honest over smart anyday.

freedom over justice,

work over comfort,

self-discipline over regulation

truth over convenience

self-reliance over security

 

 

but then again, i spend a lot of time with a belly full of snakeheads.

190 sock be gone

191 If Perry performed like this in the last debate, he'd be a lock for the nomination. Maybe next one...

192 Perry's problem at this point is NOT his stance on illegal immigration, it is people doubting his gray matter.

Face it, we want a smart POTUS who can think quickly on their feet for long periods of time.  Anyone who appears to have a mild stroke every time they are under pressure for more than an hour scares us.

How important is this?  Obama got elected despite every objective metric telling us he was not qualified simply because the subjective metrics (he "seemed" smart because he spoke like a smart guy) lined up.

** P.S., Has anyone noticed how the two guys the left has labeled as "dumb" (Bush and Perry) both did incredibly well governing Texas while the guy they label as "brilliant" (Obama) has been a miserable failure governing the USA?

THE TAKEAWAY:
Speaking well does NOT equal thinking well.  This is why we need to subject our presidential candidates to a battery of IQ, Personality and Stress Testing where we can objectively quantify just how smart they really are.

Why is there no Kobayashi Maru for the White House?

193 Perry in interviews and speeches and in a lot of his decisions actually governing does well.  He comes across as a guy with good principles, definitely the right idea about the federal government, and I can vote for him and know he will do a better job than most options, and god knows he will be a huge relief from Obama.

So he doesn't rock in the debates.  Debates are hard.  The questions are set to put someone on the spot all, to make them nervous and make them feel vulnerable, and they don't word them in a normal way.  It's never, 'Hey, what is your position on ______?".  It's always, 'Here a controversial event based on this issue that makes it look really bad. Now you explain it away while trying to hold onto your position.  In 30 seconds".

What does that do for anyone? It's just 2 hours of sound byte opps.

194 The MSM has several years of actual journalism all pent up waiting to be released on a Republican.

195 as long as perry continues to sound like a stuttering clusterfuck in the debates, i'll continue to support the german guy who has his talking points boiled down to 'nine, nine, nine.'

196 Nothing that has been said during this entire nomination process has pissed me off like Perry's " you have no heart" comment. I told my wife at the moment he said it that it sounded like something a democrat would say. I think he was trying to get Michelle and Mitt off his ass and suggesting they had no heart to try to put them on defense. The remark was stupid and untrue. The problem is the illegal immigration issue doesn't fit well into 90 second responses. In state tuition is a very small part of a very complex issue. I would guess that only a small percentage of those students whose families can afford in state tuition actually go on to college. There are still many graduates whose families have been in the United States for generations who are the first in their families to earn a degree.
  The real issue is stopping the flow. From my own experience I find that the overwhelming majority of the Mexicans and Guatemalans come here to work, not to mooch.They are good and decent people so even though they have broken our laws to get here we need to be careful about demonizing them. We need unskilled and semi-skilled workers in this country if we are to have any manufacturing base and to shore up our service industries.We've spoiled a lot of our native population who would normally fill those jobs by giving them government handouts such as SSI, earned income credit, food stamps,medicaid etc. Getting married and working all year disqualifies them for most of these programs. I see this everyday. Most Americans have no idea how many young people draw an SSI check most who never paid a dime into the system. It is rampant!
   So along come the Hispanics to fill the void. Employers hire them for low wage jobs and they work hard. Eventually they climb the wage scale because they prove their value to the employer. The wages and opportunities are so much better than where they came from they barely have time to bitch about hard work and low wages because they take a second job. Car lots who do their own financing, normally to sub prime buyers, find them to be prompt and honest in meeting their obligations. This is why I say we need to be careful about demonizing them. They're good people albeit lawbreakers.
    At some point we should have probably expanded the number of legal immigrants we would accept. While it may sound as if I am pro illegal immigration I am definitely not! They overwhelm our schools, medical facilities, jails to name a few. They don't get car insurance and when they are liable in an accident forget about it because the police have such a difficult time finding them they don't even try. They bring disorder to an otherwise orderly society. We cannot possibly assimilate them when we can't even count them.
   Even with unlimited time I have seemingly contradicted myself in this post. That is why this issue can't be the subject of a 90 second debate answer. Being the governor of a border state Rick Perry knows all and more than I know.  I could cut him some slack on this issue but I'm still not sure I can get over the "no heart" thing. Legal Hispanics hold some resentment for those who come here illegally but it's like that old saying about "I'll say what I want about my brother but you need to keep your opinion about him to yourself". We need to find a way to talk about this issue without alienating Hispanics.If we don't the democrats will make a voting bloc out of them and destroy their work ethic too.
  

197 Yet another reason to ignore oboso. He needs political marketing if he wants to win in 2012.

198 Companies need to get a small business blog to get a positive ROI in their online marketing efforts.