1
Hockey and the Right are to blame!

2 I hated Obama before hating Obama was cool.

3 I don't know, man, it might be significant.  I mean I like him about nine points less today than I did yesterday, too.

4
Gas is closer to $4 than to $3.

Food is going up, up, up.

People are getting laid off.

People are in a long line of applicants for crappy jobs to hold them over until things improve.

5 The shift has started.

6 Noise but accurate

7 Plunge: Obama Drops Net Nine in One Day

I don't know why Drudge is linking this, except it's fun to beat up on a dope.

A one-day swing like that is almost certainly noise.

No science!!!Trendz!!!!
HAHAhAHA!
His approval will be less than 0 before the end of JULY!!!!

8 Black Irishman down! Black Irishman down!

9 I'd like him just fine if he'd hurry up and pay my mortgage and put gasoline in my car like he said he would.

10 Hey moonbats, everyone knows Obama sucks but you.  So what's the deal?

11 I don't think any of those daily tracking polls are worth a shit. They have changed so much in the past with zero logic.

12
and I think people are getting sick and tired of Obama's ugly [redacted] and her friggin lecture-vacations.

Lectations?

Vectures?

13 I wonder if the Friday War Powers Act deadline has anything to do with this?

Naaah.  Everybody's forgotten, and Gallup is notoriously unreliable.

14 There could be 14 trillion reasons for the drop.

15 Can we get the pollsters to open a new category below "Strongly Disapprove" but above report IP to USSS?

16 King Putt

17 It's all because that Irish golfer won the US Open in a racist fashion and drove Tiger Woods into irrelevancy. Or that a Scandi led a team from Texas to the NBA title. Or something.

18 Maybe we could extend the Weiner distraction for a few months?

19 Imagine what his poll numbers would look like if people were actually honest with the pollster.

20 You will eat healthier!

21 People are in a long line of applicants for crappy jobs to hold them over until things improve.

How is this different than last week?  Or last year?

The only real scandal out there right now is OFF,  and I think in the absence of some kind of damning memo Obama supporters will be content to blame it on rogue/incompetent agents at ATF.

Ace is right.  It's just noise in the numbers.

22 I blame George W. Bush

23 We're talking golf, right?

24 It's Gallup' they'll make sure to fix this "noise" tomorrow.

25 They're just setting us up for the "Comeback Kid" stories.

26 My personal approval rating for Odumdum crashed through the earth's crust a couple of years back, while the disapproval level is screaming upward in the stratosphere.

Statisticians are currently working on a charting system where both levels are represented that fits inside a structure smaller than the Superdome.  

27

Actualy, a single authoritarian voice can change the outcry of a huge crowd.

Its MOB psychology... when emotions are almost all that is in play... when reason is already not part of the equation, you can suddenly get lynch  mobs, or witch burnings, out of what would be a normaly rational group.

Americans have been angry for years... and our Government and media have been trying to squelch that anger (like the ban on 9/11 pictures of people jumping out of windows or the towers coming down)...

But things are worse now than before... we've been at War in foreign Nations for 10 years... scene our Young wounded and Killed... with no REAL Victory in sight because our Government won't ALLOW them to really win.

Our Economy is horrid... yet all we see are more Government Largese to Large Companies... the same Banking/Government Cabal who helped create the probelm...

America has been simmering... just under the boiling point for years... and is about to OVER React...

28 What's going on?

29 OK, who made a racist comment and got the thread deleted?

30

Drudge also had a piece on Barky claiming he'd created 2.1 million jobs.  The UTrib here in San Diego ran a piece from Newsweek yesterday pushing the "structural unemployment" canard, clearly aimed at shoring up Obama's ridiculous ATM/kiosk talking point.  And Zero's own economic guru called his policies "indefensible."  

Maybe Americans have finally hit their bullshit limit on the jobs issue.   But I'm not counting any chickens just yet.

31

I'm still amazed that his approval rating is as high as it is- what hasn't he managed to screw up?

Republicans really need to work a bit harder not just at beating on Obama, but explaining what specifically they propose needs to be done.  Vague statements about reducing regulations isn't good enough.

32 Preference Cascade or Preference Falsification is happening.  In my neck of the woods, "hating Obama before it was cool to hate him" is the new change we can believe in.  People I suspected - due to their demographics - would support him are now openly bashing him. 

33

Gee you mean even some on the left are starting to figure it out?

Bummer has lost independents. His enthusiasm gap is low. He will never get the "aura" he had in 08. People now realize how full of shit he truly is, I'd like to welcome them to reality.

 I think he's a one termer. But leave it to the Reps to screw up a one person parade. We have got to nominate a good candidate.

Crazy idea but if his numbers get low enough would Barry not run for the nomination? I highly doubt it since he's the most narccasitic person on the planet. Just throwing the idea out there.

34 Racist index..

35 Nothing but nuts net.

36 >>>Crazy idea but if his numbers get low enough would Barry not run for the nomination? I highly doubt it since he's the most narccasitic person on the planet. Just throwing the idea out there.

You can bet Ace a pie for it...

....What plans does ace have for all these pies anyway. 

37 When my approval rating started at about 10 (I do give him some points for seeming to be a fairly involved father) there's not much room to move down.  What's more emphatic than "strongly disagree"?

38 I'm still amazed that his approval rating is as high as it is- what hasn't he managed to screw up?

I don't think it is. I think in a phone conversation with a person they don't know they're going to give deference to him. But in their private conversations (or behind a voting booth... *fingers crossed*) I think it will be a different story.

I cannot wait for the exit polls next year. They won't even come close to matching the end results. That's my guesstimate anyway.

This Presidency is still historic to a lot of folks. They don't want to be "that guy" that criticizes him and shits all over the first black President. At least publicly. But they'll have their say when they cast their votes.

I don't know - maybe I'm just projecting here but I don't think so.

39 #33

Obama is running again NOW.

Even with only 40% popularity, he isn't going to stop.

The only way Obama won't run again is if it becomes painfully obvious he had absolutely zero chance of winning.

Short of a major major scandal, I doubt things will get that bad for him, even with the economy.

40 Let's see...

Could it be his handling of the War Powers Act?  The Weiner roast in Congress?  Fast And Furious?

Christ, like there aren't a ton of reasons for him to start seeing a major drop.

41 Considering I would crawl over broken glass covered in chicken feces to vote against Obama, I think we need a catagory below strongly disaprove.

42 You all need to realize that, like, Obama is the "cool" candidate, and, like, the whole republican field, like, can't approach his level of, like, awesomeness.  K?

43

Short of a major major scandal, I doubt things will get that bad for him, even with the economy.

It's amazing to me that he's gotten this far without there being a major scandal.

It's almost as though the media is covering for him

44 yeah, and I expect to see a preference cascade by the administration towards massive amnesty of new gullible voters.

45

except it's fun to beat up on a dope.

 

Actually it is not really that fun to beat up on a run of the mill dope,but beating up a sacntimonious  Harvard trained dope who thinks he always the smartest guy in the room is loads of fun

46

33 Bruce - I've daydreamed about that happening, both with or without a Ted Kennedy-style primary challenge.  Obama doesn't deal with adversity, critcism or losing well.  If he's taking a daily beating from the public for weeks on end, would he just throw in the towel ?

Not likely, of course.  But I can't help but wonder what Hillary! will be thinking in the unlikely event that Zero's popularity is sub 40% before the primary season.

47 Mr. Pink is so romantic!

48 A variation of the David Dinkins theory. No NY'er wanted to look like a racist when polled. Rudy G was projected to lose in a landslide. Didn't matter NY's murder rate was in the thousands, and uptown Manhattan was an open air crack cocaine supermarket under Dinkins. Can't wait for the J E F 1st fraud Chi-town hustler to go down. Hard. Just for the cryin' from the talking heads. Maybe it will kill Bob Scheiffer on air.

49 This is Gallup trying to recalibrate their poll during the dog days of summer when no ones watching. They would hate to be caught red handed recalibrating pumped teh won numbers once the campaigns officially begin. BTW, hasn't Gallup always skewed in favor of Dems (well at least until election day when they find things pretty even with the pubbie polling well).

50 a major scandal like giving guns to mexican drug lords in an effort to provide an incident to spark the banning of guns in America?

51 38: If the stupid party doesn't blow it the poll booth with show --and I think people will refuse to answer exit polls so they can duck lying OR admitting they voted the marxist out. the GOP needs to hammer and hammer and hammer that Barry is failing because of all the marxist views he holds , all the marxist advisors he appointed....... Its OK to be anti-communist in America

52 Outlier, I'm sure.

53 I love this kinda post!

54 The weather has sucked around the country.

Gas and food prices are going up.

Jobs are hard to come by and really crappy compared to a few years ago.

Government employees and unions are laughing in taxpayers faces.

It's yet another summer where people haven't had the money to maybe take a vacation, yet Barry has taken maybe a hundred in three years.

Barry got us involved in other war or two.

We are now bailing out assholes everywhere and fucking over citizens and allies alike.

People are getting tired of the situation and being lied to by the media every fucking day that were are in a recovery. The media doesn't have a strawman to protect their boyfriend with either. There's no George Bush to bash. the Democrats own their fuckups.

55 "I don't think it is. I think in a phone conversation with a person they don't know they're going to give deference to him. But in their private conversations (or behind a voting booth... *fingers crossed*) I think it will be a different story."

I hope you're right, but there was a lot of speculation back in 2008 that his support wasn't as high as the polls indicated because people didn't want to admit that they didn't like him.

And look what happened.  No, I think there are plenty of stupid people who see the country collapsing around them and just refuse to blame him for any of it.

56 Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at June 21, 2011 03:38 PM (UvFnc)

But the same thing was true 18 months ago. I think it is just the never-ending cascade of stupidity coupled with the overweening pride and arrogance. Americans are a very forgiving people, but once you shit on them enough...

57 Even with only 40% popularity, he isn't going to stop.

I've thought a lot about this as he's recently stepped up his reelection game.

I don't know if he's running - I think he may be trying to rehab his image.

If he steps aside now he can always say, with the help of the media, "Look, I only had four years to clean up that mess. DC is toxic. The Republicans didn't do a damn thing to help me the last two years. I tried. And now it's time for someone else to take a shot at it."

He no longer has that cover if he stays in eight years and then without a doubt he goes down as the worst President that ever was and will ever be.

He can't have that. His narcissism trumps everything else.

58 If he were a hobo as well as a dope, we could beat up two birds with one stone. 

59 Its OK to be anti-communist in America

It used to be expected.

60
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Joe Biden to attend midget tossing contest in the battleground state of Indiana. The Vice President, Democrat members of Congress, and other dignitaries will travel to the fairgrounds in Jeffersonville on Sunday. "We've been looking forward to this event all year," said Biden's chief of staff. The annual event is a popular local attraction. "I love midgets. These little people are what make America great," Biden said. "I'm feeling strong, so with some luck I'll launch one of these little bastards all the way to my hometown of Scranton, Pennsylvania."

61 By the way, speaking of food increases, one of my hobbies lately has been trying to find hidden price increases at the grocery story.

Two weeks ago, there used to be six granola bars in a box.

Today, for the same price, there are only five bars.

62 50 Joe - The best we'll get out of that mess is forcing them to toss Holder along with the ATF head and maybe Gropey Janet as well.  The economy is what will do him in.

63

Isn't this sort of thing why Obama (broadly speaking) won the caucuses and Hillary! won primaries?  In a primary, it's just you in the voting booth.  In a caucus, it's you and a bunch of other people, and unless you really hate them or have a lot of personal courage, you'll probably just go along with the crowd.

See also Howard Dean's incredible collapse in the '04 elections.  That was a sight.

In other words, the more the media says that it's okay to dislike the guy, the more people will decide either that they actually do or they'll be more comfortable saying so.

(It's odd that it's happening now, though-- aren't gas prices dropping?)

 

64 Gallup has been a bit erratic lately, but I think this is at least partially correlated with the revelation of Obama stepping over his lawyers on Libya, which occurred three days ago.  This does mark the highest level of disapproval since April.

65 Uh, just ignore my first line, it doesn't even make sense to me.

66

I've thought a lot about this as he's recently stepped up his reelection game.

I don't know if he's running - I think he may be trying to rehab his image.

If he steps aside now he can always say, with the help of the media, "Look, I only had four years to clean up that mess. DC is toxic. The Republicans didn't do a damn thing to help me the last two years. I tried. And now it's time for someone else to take a shot at it."

He no longer has that cover if he stays in eight years and then without a doubt he goes down as the worst President that ever was and will ever be.

He can't have that. His narcissism trumps everything else.

Unless, he decided to run for non consecutive terms. It's been done

67 I really enjoyed Rush playing that bit of Reagan's Presidential announcement where he took it to Carter. I had never heard that before and it's refreshing to hear if not a little eerie by the fact that you can switch Carter to Obama and there would be zero difference.

Whoever the Republican candidate is should memorize that speech, maybe it give it a slight twist of their own and pound that into people's heads every day until election day. But I only have faith that two or three of the current candidates would have half the balls needed to do that.

68 52
Outlier, I'm sure.
Posted by: toby928™ at June 21, 2011 03:41 PM (GTbGH)

I'm in the "outed liar" camp.

69 I thought this was about golf.

70 Punch Down!

71 Drudge has been linking racist articles about Obama's grand economy for the last few days.  Maybe it's sinking in.

72 I wonder how seeing Michelle with the children draped in South African flags is going to poll? (Hopefully I have not crossed the Ace line with this question). I just don't get using a nations country's flag as a wrap as either fashionable or respectful. But then I didn't go to an Ivy League school.

73 Polls? Those aren't cool. You should probably ignore them and focus on cool things... like Obama.

74 The question is now, if the worst does come to pass, and things are so bad that even Obama bails, who in the Dem party would take his place? Six Dem Senators have already bailed. I kept thinking that Evan Bayh would step in, but now I wonder why anyone would, especially on the Dem side. Unless they find another Bill Clinton, who was adept at taking credit for things a Republican House and Senate did.

75

Come to think of it, if Obama didn't run for a second term, he would then automatically be the front runner in every democratic primary for the rest of his life.

It would be a ticket to non stop media adulation for the rest of his life, above and beyond what is accorded to an ex president.

76 Whoever the Republican candidate is should memorize that speech, maybe it give it a slight twist of their own and pound that into people's heads every day until election day. But I only have faith that two or three of the current candidates would have half the balls needed to do that.

I proposed about a week or two ago that someone pick up the entire Reagan playbook from '80 and run it from now until November 2012, especially harping on "Are you better than you were four years ago?" and the recession / depression / recovery bit saying that "a recovery is when Jimmy Carter loses his job".

77 Preference Falsification, a phenomenon of group psychology in which people don't express their true preference (or belief) because they think it is forbidden to think it or is strongly disfavored by the group.

Ah, nice one- a very learned way to say that all the kids are getting sick of the bully taking their lunch money and shoving them around, and pretty soon they're going to band together and kick his ass out on the playground during recess. All it's gonna take is the first kid to say something...

Well that, or an intellectual treatment of "the Emperor's New Clothes".

Either one works. 

78

"But I only have faith that two or three of the current candidates would have half the balls needed to do that. "

And the media reminds us daily that none of them are electable. Go figure.

79 The results of Barry's policies are holding steady at -31.5% disapproval.

80 Dude, where's my poll numbers?

81

Even if Obama wins a second term, who's his successor?  Biden?

Hahahahaha no way.  Either Obama replaces Biden with someone, or the Dems have to find a new guy in '16 either way.

82 He could stand a "sudden shift" to unemployment.

83 Short of a major major scandal, I doubt things will get that bad for him, even with the economy.

Yoo hoo!

84 O/T, but I just read on AboveTopSecret.com, that yesterday the federal court ruled that BP is not responsible for any damage done to the Gulf region.  Has anybody else heard this?  I find it shameful.

85

Obama wants to be the Grover Cleveland of our time.

 

Actually, they may be setting up for a "comeback kid" campaign. No matter how ridiculous it will seem when the only thing "coming back" will be 2008-era talking points.

86

What?!  Did he lose his teleprompter?  Did he forget how to pose?  Did people quit believing his lies?

This could be bad!

87 Its funny, but everytime I think of teh Won I scratch my face with my middle finger. So he has had a lasting impact on me. Tuetonic shifts and transformating.

88

Rassmussen has him as 38% very negative, 25% believing he is the second coming---minus 14, with an overall negative of 53%.

Myself, if it's not Paul or Johnson (the latter a very remote possibility), I'm voting/contributing R. Paul never supports his fellow Republicans anyway, and he's a dhimmi on foreign policy, so turnabout is fair play.

89

Obama wants to be the Grover Cleveland of our time.

 Actually, they may be setting up for a "comeback kid" campaign. No matter how ridiculous it will seem when the only thing "coming back" will be 2008-era talking points.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet

Actually, there was talk last week about Obama not running as an incumbent. It sounds crazy. For that to work, you'd need a lethargic, ill-educated populace and a complicit media.

90 Jimmuh is smiling like a jackass eating sand burrs.

91 a major scandal like giving guns to mexican drug lords in an effort to provide an incident to spark the banning of guns in America?

Posted by: joeindc44 at June 21, 2011 03:40 PM (QxSug)

I hope you're right and the masses of  'apolitical' voters that typically don't pay attention until late in the game are waking up, but the ATF scandal doesn't really seem to have hit the big time media yet does it?  I haven't heard any water cooler talk about it.  

92 Could it be his handling of the War Powers Act?  The Weiner roast in Congress?  Fast And Furious?

We find all that stuff outrageous.  The Obama supporters I talk to just wave it off.  Every president accumulates a few scandals by reelection time, and so this is small potatoes.  It probably does hurt him, a bit, in a drip-drip-drip Chinese water torture kind of way, but over a much longer horizon.

I agree with people who say the economy is Obama's biggest problem.  But you're not gonna get a huge one week drop like that unless there's a market crash, or bank defaults, or... something big and newsworthy.

93 Posted by: Megaton McCans at June 21, 2011 03:38 PM (yQWNf)

Honey I think this latest decline is all your fault.

94 Did the idiot American electorate get real smart all of a sudden?

95 "But I only have faith that two or three of the current candidates would have half the balls needed to do that. "

The woman (or women if Palin hops in) running have no balls, but unlike their male counterparts have a legitimate medical excuse, and more than make up for it in tenacity.

96

Not sure what the point is about this drop being recent. Obama approval/disapproval was running about 42/50 all through April. Bin Laden was killed on May 2, and his approval spiked by about 8 points, 50/42. This simply drops him to where he was before.

Then we had 6 straight weeks of the DJIA dropping, a spike in unemployment, and now lower home sales, and his numbers drop back to where they were in April.

People were already realizing he's a fraud. It's not a one day thing.

97 Preference Cascade

pfft. Once you realize your girlfriend has been screwing all your friends, it's more like a waterfall.

98 Giving a shit about your children's future is racist!

99

Actually, there was talk last week about Obama not running as an incumbent. It sounds crazy. For that to work, you'd need a lethargic, ill-educated populace and a complicit media.

Check.

Check.

Uh-oh.

100 Barry will have to vote out the incumbent citizens and get new fresh faces in there.

101 Kind of a reverse hockey stick effect..

102 Time for more golf!

103 Joe Biden to attend midget tossing contest in the battleground state of Indiana.

So why is Joey Choochoo only attending, and not participating?

Oh wait- they're tossing actual midgets, not mental midgets.

My bad.

104 @100, indeed, some (i.e., the wrong kind) of Americans bitterly cling to things like their jobs and history.

105 JEF has set affirmative action back at least 100 years.  He has also sullied the reputation of Columbia and Harvard Law.  All in all, he's done an awesome job in trashing their already sullied reputations.  Am I allowed to say this still? 

106

Sorry, wanted to edit my above post:

Not sure what the point is about this drop being recent. Obama approval/disapproval was running about 44/48 all through April. Bin Laden was killed on May 2, and his A/DA spiked to 50/42. Then we had 6 straight weeks of the DJIA dropping, an inrease in unemployment, and now lower home sales. He's simply back to where he was in April. People were already realizing he's a fraud. It's not a one day thing.

107

For the late arrivals today. Link to today's eval, Michele Bachmann

108 73 Polls? Those aren't cool. You should probably ignore them and focus on cool things... like Obama.

Posted by: David Axelrod at June 21, 2011 03:47 PM (1yViP)

Yeah!

109 105 JEF has set affirmative action back at least 100 years.  He has also sullied the reputation of Columbia and Harvard Law.  All in all, he's done an awesome job in trashing their already sullied reputations.  Am I allowed to say this still?      I agree, but think Ace will call you a racist. Noticing such things in not permitted. Supporting affirmative action is a sacremental requirement for the enlightened. Anyone who disagrees is to be shamed and punished.

110 Barry just doesn't have the gas mileage that we need in this economy.  Its time we take his advice and get a new president.

111

Hey watch me channel a dumb fucking liberal!

Free healthcare for everyone!  Nobody has to pay!  This is so cool!

112 look for Gallup to correct in the other direction by 12, tomorrow.

113 I think people are getting tired of Moochelle.  The vacations, the food police, the silly comments about how hard he works, it is getting old.  That, plus food prices rising and the lack of interest Obama shows about the wildfires and tornados, make people wonder what he thinks his role is.  Did anybody see the article on the AboveTopSecret.com blog that a court ruled that BP is not to blame for any damage done to the coast in the Gulf of Mexico?  Things are piling up, and even the libs know he is not even taking a passing interest in America.

114 The oceans are plunging also.  Coincidence? I think not.

115

a phenomenon of group psychology in which people don't express their true preference (or belief) because they think it is forbidden to think it or is strongly disfavored by the group.

CoughCoughPalinCough

116 I don't know why Drudge is linking this, except it's fun to beat up on a dope.

If you can't kick a man when he's down, you don't deserve to kick him.

117 Opinion polls generally have a 95% confidence level. What that means is, one in twenty polls is absolute shit. Utterly baseless crap. Just sayin'.

118

I'm sure that a $14T debt, forcing a government takeover of GM, Chrysler, the healthcare system and the student loan industry against the will of the country, Cash 4 Clunkers, the failed Porkulus debacle, bowing to foreign leaders, 57 states, after a while you've made enough money, doctors yanking tonsils and lopping off legs for more profit, making everyone's energy bills necessarily skyrocket, violating not one but two court orders, an illegal drilling moratorium in the Gulf, a boot on the throat of BP, knowing whose ass to kick, punishing our enemies, not securing the Mexican border, Operation Fast and Furious that resulted in the death of Border Patrol agents, peace talks with the Taliban, endorsement of the 9/11 mosque, America is a downright mean country, doubling the unemployment rate, a real 10% inflation rate and police acting stupidly had absolutely nothing to do with the falling poll numbers.

Nothing at all.

119
But Intrade has Obama up by 20%!!!!!!!!

120 It is my belief that a Democrat President, particularly a black Democrat President, cannot really fall below 40% approval. 13% of the population is black. Blacks support Democrat candidates about 90% of the time. So there is a built-in 12% support level right there. 20% of the population considers themselves to be "liberal." Most of these people are probably communists, socialists, Marxists, and the like. Almost 100% of these people will support a Democrat, except in those rare cases where there is a "credible" third party candidate running to the left of the Democrat (Nader in 2000, for example). So. 12% plus 20% equals 32%. Of course, that's not exactly right because there is some overlap between those two groups, but still. Throw in easily duped "moderates" who are referred to as "low information voters" by pollsters who are too polite to call them what they are (dumb fucks), throw in Hispanics who have become convinced (due to endless MSM propaganda) that the GOP hates them, throw in public sector employees who rather enjoy the gravy train, throw in people paid by ACORN to vote, etc., and you have a minimum of 40% of the public who will vote Democrat, no matter the candidates, no matter the circumstances. IMHO.

121 Probably the Huntsman announcement.

122
Probably the Huntsman announcement.

Posted by: blaster at June 21, 2011 04:21 PM (l5dj7)

Just because I'm blue collar doesn't mean I don't understand sarcasm.....

123 When one of the Chicago democrats' most practiced and skillful liars, Obama's Chief-of-Staff, Daley, is at a complete loss for words, even a drop of net 18 is indefensible.

Suck it, Dems.

124 Ace said: I have always thought that when opinion changes on Obama, it will change suddenly

IIRC, in 1980 the internals showed a relatively tight race until the weekend prior at which point Carter fell off the electoral cliff.

I would not be surprised to see similar dynamics at work in 2012 against a feasible candidate.

125 Trust me, wingnuts, Obama will be comfortably re-elected, and the Dems will take the House back. Then we can see what true competence is.

126

As I stated earlier, truth brings perspective.  ThatÂ’s a good thing.

Key quote: (We leave aside for now the complete reversal of then Senator Obama who stated in no uncertain terms in December of 1997 when asked if President Bush had the authority to bomb Iran without seeking explicit authorization from Congress that, "The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation,"

127

Guess who...

Two top senators on Tuesday introduced a resolution giving President Obama explicit authorization to continue aiding the NATO mission in Libya, seeking to strengthen the White HouseÂ’s hand at a key moment in the brewing constitutional tug of war with Congress.

John Riceinmyassgetsyouapurpleheart Kerry & John mydaughterisadumbass McCain.

“This is not a blank check for the president. This resolution authorizes the limited use of American forces in a supporting role,” Mr. Kerry said in a floor speech to the Senate. “It says specifically that the Senate does not support the use of ground troops in Libya. And it authorizes this limited use of American forces for a limited duration — it would expire in a year.”

http://tiny.cc/tfwmb

 

128

#127 wrong thread...Sorry.

129 IIRC, in 1980 the internals showed a relatively tight race until the weekend prior at which point Carter fell off the electoral cliff.

I would not be surprised to see similar dynamics at work in 2012 against a feasible candidate.

Posted by: Uriah Heep at June 21, 2011 04:35 PM (bxm6L)

Yeah, we were all laughing at the polls, because everyone outside the beltway knew what was coming down.

130 this could be the opening howard dean has been waiting for...yaaaayayayaaaaghaggh

131 Yeah, McCain has a new 6 year lease on RINO life, Maybe God will call him home before then.

132

Something is changing. I was out-of-pocket for about three weeks starting on Memorial Day. I had time-limited internet access, so I glanced at my favorite sites but did not read the comments.

Before I left, conservative sites like Lucianne.com had lots of commenters who thought that BHO was leading a socialist takeover of the U.S. When I came back the majority seemed to be of the opinion that BHO wasn't leading anything. He was just along for the ride--unqualified, incompetent, lazy, petulant, a puppet of the people who put him into office and not particularly smart. In just three weeks there was a noticeable change in the way the majority of these conservatives talked about BHO. It will take longer for moderates and liberals to see that BHO's performance falls far short of the brilliance that the media likes to claim for him, but the tide is turning.

I like Glenn Reynolds' idea of a Preference Cascade. From my limited viewpoint, it looks like it's beginning to form.

133 IMHO.

Posted by: Seriously at June 21, 2011 04:21 PM (QjrRF)

You need to study the turnout percentages in those groups to understand the results.

You also need to study the phenomenon of "Lying to the pollster".  There's a number of people who won't be heard saying they disapprove of Obama lest they be accused of racism, but likely will not be pulling the lever for him again, if they did the first time.

134 If that was a net -9 in a three day running average, then that should be at least eleventy in the daily swing.

135 This kind of jump is often double-noise.  The polls up until now have been overestimating and the current one is underestimating his support.

136
Ace is right.  It's just noise in the numbers.

That is, how shall I say? an awful lot of noise. I won't disagree that they don't reflect reality, but I suspect they do reflect an issue with how the polling data itself.

137

C'mon......everybody knows that opinions of Obama arhave always been at least 10 points lower than ever shown in any poll.

I don't want to get banned so I will let you figure out why! 

138 Some polling "noise".  Especially when it's a 3 day rolling average.  That said, I don't care. 0bama is awesome. /obot mode

139 I'm not saying they are unelectable but certainly the Nice Campaign^tm by types like Romney/Huntsman or the cut-and-run Pawlenty isn't going to get us where we need to be. Sure they take jabs at him(well, except for Huntsman) but the real enthusiastic jabs are coming from Bachman or Cain and I think they need to keep that up, if not crank it up a few notches. Obama is landslidable just like The Jimmy was but that isn't going to happen unless someone is willing to make him own the mess that is everything right now in every answer they give. And I want to see a real landslide, not a close call like we've seemed to have had in recent presidential elections.   Let the message be loud and clear that this crony capitialism/fascism/socialism or whatever you want to label it is dead in America.

140 #137 Wrong Jimi. The Bradley Effect you are trying to hint at is irrelevant to Obama. Many of the same people saying his numbers were high in October 2008 was because of the same effect-but it never translated into the final numbers. Obama simply was that popular. His numbers across the board are inflated by many pollsters still using a Dem skewed average. The nation is likely D+2 at best right now, but they are going for D+5 to D+10. Adjust all polling to D+2 to give Obama a ton of good faith, and he sinks like a stone into the low 40s across the board. Obama has the support of at least 42-44% of the American public, as tough as that is to believe. the question is now whether the other 56-58% want him gone badly enough to pull R. Right now, I would say yes. He loses the electoral vote (and thus the election) to a generic Republican by at least 268-270, probably 239-309. Btw, I can pull "the Bradley Effect" theory without bannage because my RaceCard Gold membership went Platinum last year.

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