Posted by: Average Joe at June 11, 2011 04:57 PM (liBQN)

Nah.  it seems like every Democrat is calling for his head (the one on his neck).  He's in a save-his-career mode.  This announcement won't change anything.

Posted by: Talibill at June 11, 2011 04:58 PM (fkiq4)

I think social networking sites could do a better job of notifying uses of an individual's age.  For instance, if you try to add someone on Twitter or friend someone on Facebook who is a minor, a message could pop up saying 'This person is under 18 years of age.  Do you wish to proceed?'  Something like that.  This doesn't happen now as far as I know.  I have three nieces that I once added as Facebook friends when they were all under 18, and I didn't notice anything warning me of their age.  From a technology standpoint, it shouldn't be too hard to implement.

If he truly ran out of time before escalating the conversation with this kid I am gratefull.  I was curious however if Barbara Walters (other media) was going to blame this kid if anything came out of the investigation. 

I had thoughts of misreported book deals and exclusives with her friends....how its a setup, perhaps a right wing conspiracy, etc....

Posted by: ace at June 11, 2011 05:09 PM (nj1bB)

What? I'm talking about liberal justification for sexual behavior. I'm making a point how in their minds in most every situation, anything goes. Now that a taboo of the minor is gone, what's their reasoning that Weiner did anything wrong or merits resignation? How can they square that circle?

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at June 11, 2011 05:12 PM (5Xf3c)

Only if Palin was standing closely behind her showing her how to use it.

bunk!

Apparently a top Al Quada person was killed today. It's apparently another huge step in the war on terror that the guy is gone.

I'd love to be able to give details but CNN spent the first 10 minutes of their 5:00 PM newscast discussing Weiner before going to commercial. The Dems have sooooo little to crow about right now, another notch in their belt in the war on terror would be a nice boost.

But sadly for them, the media back-slapping congratulations are delayed because of Weiner, for an ENTIRE segment. Yeah, I'm thinking they want him gone.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at June 11, 2011 05:14 PM (UsjBj)

Perhaps.  My thinking was along the lines of, hey, if such technology was implemented, Weenie would have gotten a message saying 'this person is under 18, do you wish to proceed?'  If he presses 'yes', then he can't stand at a presser and say 'well, as far as I KNOW, no one was underage...'  But, I can see how it might be a challenge for social sites to verify ages.  Anyway, there has to be a solution out there.  These situations aren't going to vanish on their own... 

Posted by: MCPO Airdale at June 11, 2011 04:57 PM (FAyWo)

Not really.  It's certainly possible that they just did this for show and didn't bother doing any true forensics on this, but I think that that's SOP now with computers, they try to find any deleted stuff on the HD using some pretty basic tools.  Ditto with the phone.

I can almost guarantee that, in context, the DMs were, as Ace says, flirty and familiar.  Cringe inducing, in context, and there is no way Weiner wants them public.  But he unfollowed her once, my guess is that the tweet-flirting accelerated over time and he knew that Ethel was somebody not to cross that line with.

I'd really be surprised if Weiner did any explicit DMing with the young'ins.  Leading them along, sure, but I think there isn't really a statute covering "creepy".

Posted by: joejm65 at June 11, 2011 05:12 PM (BDB5n)

Agreed completely. My wifes due any day now with our first girl and I'm looking at all this with this predator (like it or not thats what this asshat is) and i'm scared shitless. Back in my day my parents would pick up the phone downstairs to hear what I and my friends were up to. Today its like the wild wild west.

Agreed completely. My wifes due any day now with our first girl and I'm looking at all this with this predator (like it or not thats what this asshat is) and i'm scared shitless. Back in my day my parents would pick up the phone downstairs to hear what I and my friends were up to. Today its like the wild wild west.

Posted by: Talibill at June 11, 2011 05:21 PM (fkiq4)

First of all, congratulations!  Second, by the time your girl is old enough to join the cyber world, there might be better software (or laws?) in place to protect her from idiot guys who look at social sites like they're bars at 1:30 in the morning.  Remember, this twitter-Facebook era is less than 10 years old.  There's still time to get things right.  Hope it happens... 

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at June 11, 2011 05:26 PM (5Xf3c)

Posted by: joejm65 at June 11, 2011 05:27 PM (BDB5n)

Thank you both. The way I see it there's one less prick (Weiner) out there.

come on Joe, you know what I was asking of Ace. Is Weiner crazy? Excuse my shitty punctuation and poor sentence structure.

And I hope Ace bans everyone who goes against his instructions. Last time I checked, it is one of his names on the title of this website.

Posted by: Average Joe at June 11, 2011 05:29 PM (liBQN)

I think you read the post wrong.  I read the post as 'Ace, is Weiner crazy, or just pond scum with feet?'  It looked like a question to Ace, not a question about Ace.  JMO...

Congratulations Anthony Weiner!  You are not as sick and creepy of a pervert as you could have been!  Way to go!

That is essentially what the media will get to talking about.  How he didn't do anything inappropriate in the eyes of the law by talking to a minor.  Congratulations buddy!  You did what most normal people did and the MBM will get to make that the focus and just ignore your questionable judement in talking to her at all, and lying about everything else under the sun until you are caught red handed.

Fucking scumbag.

Posted by: goddessoftheclassroom at June 11, 2011 05:22 PM (ZeWVX)

Given that Bill Clinton officiated at Weiner and Huma's wedding, I wonder whether their vows included any pledge of fidelity.  If they did, that was probably an uncomfortable moment for Hillary (I don't know if Bill is capable of shame any longer).

Posted by: Average Joe at June 11, 2011 05:29 PM (liBQN)

I think Nixon was asking Ace a question, not accusing him of anything. I think a comma was forgotten.

Posted by: Dr Spank at June 11, 2011 05:24 PM (1fB+3)

They are probably talking about the temp internet files and various caches. You think you have deleted a file on Twitter but it may remain there from when you originally read it.

Comment #57 that is, you come across as a real jerkwad when you post shit like that.

I took comment #57 the opposite way.

My (16) daughter's friend's father friended her on facebook and I was creeped out!  Why?  I don't want him seeing what she posts, I don't know him well enough to trust him.  So I friended him, just so he knows I am watching too.

The teachers at school aren't allowed to friend students, and I think that is wise.

Kids are not adults, their brains don't function the way adult brains do.  They don't have a frame of reference to understand if they are in a vulnerable situation.

This is troubling behavior.  Even more so for a man with this much power.

I'm not so cynical as to think the pregnancy is fake or that a sympathy "miscarriage" is coming up, but I'm going with the reports that she hunkered down with him to strategize salvaging his political career. Is she stupid, or foul? I still can't decide.

Posted by: arhooley at June 11, 2011 05:24 PM (eNx0o)

Foul.  Look who she works and the people she has been surrounded by.  Fidelity, love, honesty, and honor all fall well below Power and Prestige.  She saw potential in him to go higher and with her contacts to give him the boost would definitely give them a "power couple" situation.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at June 11, 2011 05:34 PM (vt/xM)

Until every pic of him out there has been discovered and commented on and investigated.  Or, until a Republican gets nailed in a sex scandal and provides him some media cover.  Whichever happens first.

I'd really be surprised if Weiner did any explicit DMing with the young'ins.  Leading them along, sure, but I think there isn't really a statute covering "creepy".

Posted by: AmishDude at June 11, 2011 05:20 PM (73tyQ)

I doubt Weiner had any compunction about explicit DM'ing with young'uns.  His pattern -- we see it with Vegas Blackjack Dealer, Comely Co-Ed and Texas Single Mom -- is that he pushes quickly with double entendres and sexy suggestions, and treats any sign of interest as a green light to go to the next step.  If that next step (the underwear shot) doesn't get "Ewwww" as a response, he goes on to explicit.

To break this pattern because he's DM'ing with an underage girl would require him to exert self-control.  Have you seen any evidence from him that he knows what self-control is, much less how to exert it?

The statement's from Weiner's spokesperson, read on CNN multiple times, mention that "Weiner is looking into treatment to help himself become a better husband and a better person..." or something to that effect.

There was no mention of sex addiction which would have only raised questions of what else did Weiner do.

I wish the media would ask exactly why he needs to go to rehab "to be a better person and a better husband... We all know it's a smokescreen to try to save himself, it would be nice to see someone in the media call him on it.

In any event, I imagine that Hillary, being a close friend of Huma, has tons of advice right now since she has experience with this type of issue. It'd be interesting to know what advice Hillary is giving the couple. I'd be disappointed if her advice was "rehab".

Posted by: Peaches at June 11, 2011 05:36 PM (afUO

Paint a couple of round canvases.

There. You other morons TRY to make that dirty.

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at June 11, 2011 05:38 PM (agD4m)

Wait -- could that mean that he married Hillary's Girl Friday in the belief that she had internalized her boss's attitude toward a cheating husband?

Posted by: Thereddianthus at June 11, 2011 05:37 PM (RDxHG)

Good point.  I never thought of that.

Posted by: Dick_Nixon at June 11, 2011 05:36 PM (PQMGz)

It's making me crazy too, that's why I'm doing my best to ixnay on the comments.

joejm65 got your meaning too.

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at June 11, 2011 05:38 PM (agD4m)

I crave water and a few more blankets.

And maybe Calamity Jane can enfold me in her generous bosom.   ( even if she seems to play for the Other Team in later episodes )

Paint a couple of round canvases.

There. You other morons TRY to make that dirty.

Kilogram is just mad nobody takes him seriously that isn't a cheese-eating surrender monkey or Jimmy Carter.

I've had enough weiner today. Time for a cocktail...that didn't come out like I hoped.

Posted by: Roger Ebert's colon at June 11, 2011 05:44 PM (UqKQV)

None of my work is that jaw dropping, Roger.

You can close your yap.

I've had enough weiner today. Time for a cocktail...that didn't come out like I hoped.

Posted by: Talibill at June 11, 2011 05:46 PM (fkiq4)

It's Miller time.  Grab a longneck...ugh, wait...

Posted by: chemjeff at June 11, 2011 05:41 PM (mWKUd)

She is, according to the law.  Let us say that she is presumed a dependent minor child until such time as a court has reason to determine otherwise (or her 18th birthday, whichever comes first).

That's why a 46-year-old married man puts himself in all kinds of jeopardy by having private conversations with her, in person or online.

Posted by: KG at June 11, 2011 05:43 PM (4L0zr)

You call him a "real jerkwad" and then get bent out of shape when you get called on it? Go sew your ass shut.

Posted by: Unclefacts Luxury-Yacht at June 11, 2011 05:48 PM (6IReR)

Um, no, I was calling him out, and he responds as his usual.

Um, no, I was calling him out, and he responds as his usual.

Posted by: KG at June 11, 2011 05:49 PM (4L0zr)

Yeah, you insulted him and now you're whining about getting, for this place, a very mild slapping for it. Tell you what princess, it seems this place is too harsh for your delicate sensibilities, perhaps you should go hang out at LGF.

I still want to know what kind of "rehab" he's going into? Or how he is "seeking help." I mean, what the heck kind of program can help him? As far as I know there are no "I am an absolute douchebag, cure me" facilities. If there were, a lot of celebrities would've been cured a looong time ago.

I can see the commercials now. "Are you a complete asshole? Media hounding you day and night for some spirited hijinks? Now you too can get the 'cure' everyone's been talking about. At the Ted Kennedy Center for Politicians in Need of Spiritual Cleansing."

 (4L0zr)

I love irony.

 (4L0zr)

I love irony.

Posted by: CAC at June 11, 2011 05:51 PM (2KSfB)

It's so delicious, I spread that shit on a cracker.

You call him a "real jerkwad" and then get bent out of shape when you get called on it? Go sew your ass shut.

Posted by: Unclefacts Luxury-Yacht at June 11, 2011 05:48 PM (6IReR)

Human Centipede 2: Full Sequence!!! (safe link)

Yeah, you insulted him and now you're whining about getting, for this place, a very mild slapping for it. Tell you what princess, it seems this place is too harsh for your delicate sensibilities, perhaps you should go hang out at LGF.

Posted by: Unclefacts Luxury-Yacht at June 11, 2011 05:51 PM (6IReR)

LOL. Believe what you willis tower.

Rarely read this site anymore, but I'll just say this.

Ace, you're just a very strange fellow, in an increasingly Chas. Johnson-y kind of way.

Your Freudian issues with Palin are by now blog lore and who goes off all authoritarian-like about what commentors will and will not say or get terminated ya ya ya...

Hey bo, its the goddamned internet, ya know?

If you dont want people speculating on given subjects, DONT have threads on those subjects.

Its all you're on today, when I glanced over a week ago it was all you were on; its probably all you've been on in between.

Maybe you've got it covered already, or do you just want a reason to talk about this guy doing this  kind of stuff?

Calling Sigmund...

Also, did Huma phone from the ME and say "haul him away in a straitjacket boys, no need to wait for me?" because I thought he was supposedly waiting until she got back from her trip.

I still want to know what kind of "rehab" he's going into? Or how he is "seeking help." I mean, what the heck kind of program can help him? As far as I know there are no "I am an absolute douchebag, cure me" facilities. If there were, a lot of celebrities would've been cured a looong time ago.

I can see the commercials now. "Are you a complete asshole? Media hounding you day and night for some spirited hijinks? Now you too can get the 'cure' everyone's been talking about. At the Ted Kennedy Center for Politicians in Need of Spiritual Cleansing."

Posted by: ParanoidWorkingGirlinSeattle at June 11, 2011 05:51 PM (RZ8pf)

The TKCPNSC is located on the 30th floor of the New York Times Building, right?

BTW: If he wants a leave of absence, he can take one until, say, the swearing in of the next Congress.  All he has to do is resign.

I'm always late to this stuff. Can someone give me a recap on the bannings.

Sgt. York and who else?

Ace said six. I need five names people!

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at June 11, 2011 05:24 PM (5Xf3c)

I've got a camera and some time on my hands. 

My wifes due any day now with our first girl

 HAHAHAHAHAHA

don't let her play soccer, it turns them crazy

btw, this whole weiner thing is why we control our girl's internet time, but alas, soon to be president palin will use this assclown in her campaign ads to help her win

Posted by: ace at June 11, 2011 05:51 PM (nj1bB)

Is there any way of finding out if Twitter cooperated in this investigation?  Is that the type of information that the police would release?  That would go a long way in putting this part of the story to rest.  Just wondering.

Posted by: chemjeff at June 11, 2011 05:55 PM (mWKUd)

I dunno, chemjeff.  I don't see much evidence that she's all that emotionally mature, and the one thing that seemed to indicate that she was "knowing" seems to be a cruel prank on the part of her boyfriend or some other close associate.  So I'm not going to croon, "This Girl is a Woman Now," based on what is known publicly about her.

LOL. Believe what you willis tower.

Posted by: KG at June 11, 2011 05:54 PM (4L0zr)

It isn't belief, it's reading comprehension you dolt.

196  Weiner. His problem is not sexting, its power

this!!  all predators don't care about the sex, its all about the power

Posted by: toby928™ at June 11, 2011 05:48 PM (GTbGH)

I'm looking forward to getting back to normal.  This stuff gets so intense, my head starts throbbing...oh, shit....

Ace said six. I need five names people!

Posted by: Ben at June 11, 2011 05:56 PM (DKV43)

He banned me last thread.  (I got better.)

Posted by: Dr Spank at June 11, 2011 05:24 PM (1fB+3)

I don't know specifics, it's been years since I could call myself a proper computer scientist, but there are temporary files, caches, etc.

Also, it takes a while for data to truly leave a computer.  It's saved in blocks and the only way to access it is via a pointer variable.  When you "delete" a file, you just delete the pointer.  The data is still there.  Now, if large amounts of tweets were cached in bulk or backed up, they would be easy to find.  But the twitter program might be easy to wipe.

And don't think a Dem state/county/city would bury this.  They'd have just as much incentive to get rid of the embarrassment as to protect him. What makes me think they don't have anything is that he didn't resign.  If they had something, even a corrupt office would have sent him a message that he was going down.

Posted by: Ben at June 11, 2011 06:01 PM (DKV43)

We don't? I miss some new rule somewhere?

Posted by: looking closely at June 11, 2011 05:59 PM (f5t0O)

Well, I'd still like to see Dr. Drew make Weiner cry on Celebrity Sex Rehab.

#218

Rumor has it....

Hot new pictures of Christina Hendricks exist and would be far more interesting than arguing with ace over HIS OWN FUCKING BLOG.

Posted by: Ben at June 11, 2011 06:01 PM (DKV43)

Posted by: Vic at June 11, 2011 06:01 PM (M9Ie6)

Good work on Cain this morning btw.

What candidates haven't you done yet?

223  Just remember, we do not wag our genitals to one another to make a point

?????????  does that mean we have to start wearing pants too?

Posted by: arhooley at June 11, 2011 06:02 PM (eNx0o)

He's had his little Twitter problem for three years (so he implied) and has only been married for one.  So it's possible that around the 18 month mark he decided to pick a wife based on whether he thought she'd be cool with his peccadillo.

I'm still chuckling over the MSNBC thing about the use of Twitter being down 30% on Capitol Hill since this all started. I think there were probably more than a few other Congressmen (maybe women too?) who went "oh crap" and began furiously unfollowing and deleting in the wake of this storm.

Twitter right now probably is getting a very sweet deal from the US government "Hey, keep our secrets and you'll never pay taxes again fellas"

Ace,

Is Weiner gonna be forced to resign, what is your prediction????

#237

I know, thats why I had to delete it. Nobody east of the Mississippi or north of Carolina does.

Posted by: George Orwell at June 11, 2011 06:00 PM (AZGON)

On a broomstick!

Am I missing anything else?

Posted by: ignurnt at June 11, 2011 05:59 PM (B60j2)

Part of the reason Weenie is going to hide in therapy, I think, is because there will be more people coming forward with sordid tales to tell and about the behavior of The Weiner.  When that happens, his supporters (Barbara Walters, Alec Baldwin, the MFM) can say 'lay off the guy, he's sick, he's getting help.'  Since he can't handle himself in press conferences re: this matter, the best thing to do is...go away for a while.  I posted the other day that I think this story is only half over, so I'm expecting more juicy details to emerge on a daily basis.    

Ace,

Is Weiner gonna be forced to resign, what is your prediction????

* * *

That's what i wanna know. I'm betting they won't, since this investigation is over.

Ace?

Posted by: laceyunderalls at June 11, 2011 06:06 PM (vt/xM)

You're right.

She's more.

Posted by: George Orwell at June 11, 2011 06:07 PM (AZGON)

Don't they serve breakfast all day now, or am I thinking of Carls Jr?

245  She ain't all that

yep, totally agree (sorry wyatt if you're around)

What candidates haven't you done yet?

Posted by: Delta Smelt at June 11, 2011 06:05 PM (t2Zxt)

Thanks; so far I have done 4, Romney, Pawlenty, Gingrich, and Cain. I am working down the order on the Club for Growth White Papers.

Next and last completed white paper is Sanatorium. It will get much more difficult after that if they haven't completed any more. 

For those who just got here this is a link to the Cain eval.

For those late to the threads today today's political eval is here in the open thread

Posted by: JEM at June 11, 2011 05:58 PM (o+SC1)

That depends on whether you think his voters will re-elect him.  If not, let him stay on leave and prevent another Dem from running.  If so, let the Dems appoint some seat-warmer, even if that gives the seat-warmer a little time to become incumbent -- UNLESS you think him being re-elected will keep the wound open and cost the Dems more in the long run.

One way or another, I think he gets a primary challenger this time around.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at June 11, 2011 06:08 PM (vt/xM)

And junk waving, don't forget that.

So in other words, until Weiner's caught with a circus clown, donkey, and crystal meth while robbing a liquor store on K Street, he's not gonna resign.

OK, we'll use this to our advantage.

 The girl is a victim. Congressman Weeniewagger is the criminal. The Democrat Party is an accessory after the fact.

 I do not give a rat's patootie if the crime was, in Ace's words, murder or manslaughter. It was still a damned crime and so he should go. If he doesn't go the Republicans should post ads, 24-7 of Nancy Pelosi screeching of the culture of corruption and then, a simple picture of this asshole.

Next and last completed white paper is Sanatorium.

Try not to fall asleep when you write that one up.  Poor retread Rick, overshadowed by Weiner in the day he announced.

Looks like you will have to throw Slick Rick Perry into the mix as well.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at June 11, 2011 06:06 PM (vt/xM)

Maybe not, but those two bosom buddies of hers....

according to patterico weren't there two underaged girls?

Did they interview both or just the one?

Why not? Timothy "TurboTax" Geithner was able to claim he didn't realize he had to pay taxes on his UN salary, despite signing documents to that effect on several occasions.

Maybe not, but those two bosom buddies of hers....

I don't know about that.  I can't help thinking that if she ever went bra-less, she could clear a room by spinning around.

And what type of marker does this whole sad matter place at the foot of our Republic.  I just cannot comprehend all that has taken place, business is being conducted as usual in the U.S. House of Representatives with a mainstream media gone radio silent.

Is this really our culture at this point in time? 

Folks... all kidding aside, this is seminal for those tracking our momentus national decline.

"according to patterico weren't there two underaged girls?  Did they interview both or just the one?"

How dare you question the MFM!  We questioned 2.  MoveOn,  The 3rd was xxxx by the NYP.

ace

There's still a comment clean-up at 163. I sent an e-mail because I didn't want to bring public attention to it but it's still there and needs to be removed.

Maybe not, but those two bosom buddies of hers....

Posted by: stuiec at June 11, 2011 06:13 PM (HMdeP)

I likes me some breasteses but those are just too damn big.

I like the average sized bosom, myself.

Posted by: ignurnt at June 11, 2011 06:18 PM (B60j2)

I heard a post-tweet poll approval of 60%, 100% among the registered dead.

245 She ain't all that

Yeah, but some of us are 'way less than that', which makes her a good catch....

Ace: What's the next action?

Weiner has been destroyed politically: NY is redistricting, and while Weiner may poll well in his current district, what are the odds that anyone else will want to accept his stink where they live? That he is locked out, and kept out, of national politics forever, seems enough.

The lamentations of the women of the Left is a welcome sound: Debbie "Tell Me YOU Didn't Pay Money For That HairStyle" Wasserman has called for his resignation; Larches Sojnnoh has realized that the combined intellect of his minions have not the intellectual capacity to continue defending Weiner; Kos and his Tards, teh DUmmies and the rest of the Left seem to be having an apoplectic "reality shouldn't be this painful" meltdown, and Nancy Pelosi is switching positions and babbling herself into retirement.

Any chance that much of this stink can be rubbed off on MSNBC and Chris Matthews? D'OHlbermann seems conviently hidden, Babwa Wawa has decided to stop talking, and Katie Couric is off to other things. The WaPo seems to be getting a bit of religion, although I expect their Palin Secrets Witch-hunt to cost them a few coins before it becomes the journalistic embarasment that it is. Perhaps the intellectual titans on The Spew are a good target ...

That Weiner be used to continue to damage his allies and those who put him in power is necessary (and fun); they really aren't the noble leaders that they claim to be, they do not act in the best interests of the American People, and they really aren't as smart as they believe. There's a lot to be said for handing out nationally-public butt-beatings to these people.

When none but the chariots of Tyre oppose you, you know you've won ...

I like the average sized bosom, myself.

 Posted by: ErikW at June 11, 2011 06:19 PM (AMe2R)

Shape is much more important than size. Maybe CAC will back me up here; the curves of a natural breast are esthetically pleasing as well as being sexy as hell. The size is secondary.

Implants screw up those curves.

Wait, Vic why shouldn't I Google "choloroform?"

Umm, no particular reason why I'm wondering....(whistles) none at all...

Ace: People first. Politics second.

Herr Morgenholt: Please allow me to call bullshit. Politics IS people. It's people's livelihood, it's people's relationships with others, it's a creeping worm that they are pushing into the most mundane decisions in our lives, from "What's for breakfast?" to "Want to go see a movie?". These things are not separable.

Please, Herr Morgenholz, allow me to offer a reconciliation between Ace's statement and yours.

Our side sees a family in Delaware having a bad weekend but with the prospect of returning their lives back to normal failry soon. We, as decent people, prefer this outcome to an alternate scenario whereby this family's problems are aired puiblicly and the Democrats are delivered a devestating setback. I'm guessing this is a family of Democrats, but it really doesn't matter; I wish them well. Besides, allowing this family the privacy and space to tend to its own private issues is a realization of one of our political goals, is it not?

Their side, however, seeks to win, always. No one is off limits to them. (Quick review: Dick Cheney's daughter, Joe the Plumber, the AIG workers that Andrew Cuomo and Richard Blumenthal threatened to publicly humiliate for making a salary they deemed too high.) They regognize no rules of engagement in domestic politics. As you said, they want to control the minutiae of our lives, but it all starts with threatening to make us all political combatants, whether we want to be or not. That's how they roll.

So yeah: People first, then politics. What Ace said, but what you said, too. I still see the conservatives' way to be a lot different from their way. If it weren't, I'd switch sides in a heartbeat, because they're kissing our asses, and all else being equal, I'd prefer to be on the winning side.

But all else isn't equal, is it?

Well, I just dropped in for a sec, but wow!  6 people banned!  I may have to check back later, but have been busier than a one armed wallpaper hanger for the past 2 days...

And ace, FWIW.. you have done a tremendous job on this.

Posted by: ace at June 11, 2011 06:16 PM (nj1bB)

To go back to my 265. This link is the same one that Patterico linked on this. It appears to be a local Danbury, Connecticut paper. (I say apppear because it may be a Hearst site that just links it to the closest Hearst paper to my IP address.)

Can not believe that Twitter would give up the data without a subpoena, and would at least do a perfunctory contest of one at that. The person who said that they would be worried about the numbers of people being told (presumably by parents) to "get off of Twitter until you are 22" would be far out weighed by adults saying "OMG, they will turn over my private messages with even trying to protect them?"

Posted by: The Robot Devil at June 11, 2011 06:16 PM (g3OU+)

The AOC in DE is also 16. 

Posted by: Ed Anger at June 11, 2011 06:36 PM (7+pP9)

Popcorn and beer mode. It's not just for lazy asses.

Can't his career die of $tarvation? Who's going to donate to him? How's he going to get money from the DNC when surely some twit who hasn't been caught sextweeting dicpics wants his seat?

Posted by: arhooley at June 11, 2011 06:17 PM (eNx0o)

Baba Wawa for one.  The beltway of D.C. may not like him and want him gone.  But he's still got some popularity among the media I think.  And they all want it to go away so they can all love him again.  And then don't forget the center of Moral Authority that is New York.  Those brain dead liberal dipshit will elect any corrupt scumbag with a D after their name so they'll donate to him too.

Posted by: Honest Nabe at June 11, 2011 06:41 PM (aifMW)

Ace makes up numbers sometimes instead of using words like 'longshot' or 'practically no chance'.  It's ok, he cops to it... 

Redacted.

Most lessons well learnd are learned the hard way.

Why so much energy wasted on the nature of the relationship between Weiner and the girl? You know what today's NY Daily News headline was?  "Weiner Tweets Teen" - he's screwed. The fact that he tweeted a teen at all is the killer. The public can and will conflate that fact with the other facts already and evidence, and will draw one poison conclusion.

To me, all the hue and cry over what was transpired between the two is a waste.

Weiner's behavior and judgement is what the focus should be.

what are the Muslims thinking?

>>>> I assume this story bothers them greatly.  They probably discuss it after they're finishing the stoning and honor killing of their women who dared to flash an ankle

Congressman Weiner takes the views of his colleagues very seriously and has determined that he needs this time to get healthy

He may get healthy but his ilk never get well.

You will respect my wishes on this.

Ace, I wish you could come off less strict/douchebag w/ that line, I get where your coming from but narturally anti-authority types like me will be baited with that line to tell you to f off. I almost did but my conscious told me to watch out what I wish for so I decided to behave.

but yeah just for this 1 subject, everyone behave. it's a rarity for ace to go off ban hammering so it's gotta be real serious for him to do this.

Posted by: ace at June 11, 2011 07:50 PM (nj1bB)

so i'm clear, are folks running around saying the girl is somehow helping Weiner? cause that what seems to be a no, no for you.

again I have no clue what people are going off about

Posted by: str8 outta at June 11, 2011 07:55 PM (uqDva)

so they're deciding to start claiming they know what happen? that's not smart.

and folks, it'a not hard to start your own blog if it pisses you off so much. Hell I've almost started a blog myself but i'm too lazy and involved in other things to.

so as free as ace has allowed us to be at times, him getting serious about something once in awhile doesn't mean he's suddenly Charles Johnson.

again folks, not hard to start your own blog.

Posted by: steevy at June 11, 2011 08:06 PM (P2eF1)

THREAD WINNER

Posted by: ace at June 11, 2011 08:12 PM (nj1bB)

and there's twitter, and facebook. there's that too. there's also podcasts.

yes folks you can air your views out in other places then just ace's place. I know, shocker.

I have questions about the 3 year bullshit.   Weiner says he's only been doing this kind of shit for 3 years.   How does that happen in a man his age?   Did he just wake up one day and start acting like a prick online?   Is he going to use the mid-life crisis schtick?

This man is an abusive asshole.   You can see it in his personality when he's in front of the camera.   Look at how he treated Megyn Kelly during interviews with her.   Narcissitic, abusive prick should be stamped on his forhead as a warning to any woman  that even thinks about getting within 100' of this fucker.

Either something misfired in his brain 3 years ago, or he's been damn good at hiding this kind of shit for a long time.   Is this the kind of shit you tell your wife before you're married, and then continue to do after you take your vows?   "Oh, honey, just so you know I'm a prolific sexter, and there are so many dicpics of me out there that I can't tell you when or if they might pop up, or even who might have them."

He can take himself out of the limelight, right now, by pulling the therapy card, but there's more shit out there that may be much worse than this.   Once his power is gone will other more frightened women be willing to come out of the shadows?

Ace: Value Rite handle size?

You go man, awesome defence.

You can't get sued because Weiner shows his penis to a 17 year old. Besides, he's going to rehab as part of a plea bargain and don't forget: everything was deleted

so I just got done reading the whole thread, and i'm w/ ace on this one for sure. yeah the "You will respect my wishes" line is easy bait for anti-authority types to say fuck you then (and as I stated in my 1st comment on this thread I almost did do just that until I decided to step back and not make a douchebag out of myself before I know what's up). folks, you're implicating a private citizen and claiming police corruption to protect a congressman from another state who was not well known until this scandal broke. it's just stupid. too far.

Rangel said Weiner "wasn't going with prostitutes. He wasn't going out with little boys."

Or cheating on his taxes!!!

Posted by: str8 outta at June 11, 2011 08:23 PM (uqDva)

Yeah, that's why I called it schtick.   I don't believe, for a minture, the 3 year bullshit. 

Posted by: Not Drinking Nearly Enough at June 11, 2011 08:50 PM (JEvSn)

Heh, good one.

Cost to host a site

5K to 10K for a server

5K to 20K for web monkeys

3K to 100K for liability insurance

Cost for attorneys to defend the inability to prevent people from making salacious actionable comments in a thread that are screen capped (before they can be deleted) by vicious personal injury attorneys with a affinity for italian motor cars: $$$$$$$$$

Posted by: Bosk at June 11, 2011 08:54 PM (WCsll)

When your opponents are digging themselves into a hole you should do nothing other than offer a shovel.

Posted by: HondaV65 at June 11, 2011 09:06 PM (LxoWK)

If you're 2 weeks away from your 21st birthday and you're busted for drinking you're still breaking the law.  That line may be arbitrarily put there for a lot of reason, but if you aren't yet on the correct side of their can be big implications.  And even if you don't see it as a big deal, your view ultimately is not relevant.  Niether is mine.

Posted by: Michael at June 11, 2011 08:27 PM (jVzcR)

*Retweets Michael's dick*

*Does it again in case it was missed the first time*

I just scanned through this thread and man, did it veer off the track real quick.

Sad.

Posted by: str8 outta the basement at June 11, 2011 10:47 PM (1fB+3)

Have you seen who's running the courts lately? Why take the damned chance?

Posted by: Joanie (Oven Gloves) at June 11, 2011 10:55 PM (y/+eD)

Look at it this way, it was probably going to happen sooner or later, now, you've got an excuse!

_{^{Posted by: str8 outta the basement at June 11, 2011 10:47 PM (1fB+3)}}

^{Have you seen who's running the courts lately? Why take the damned chance?}

^{Posted by: Unclefacts Luxury-Yacht at June 11, 2011 10:49 PM (6IReR)}

Do you know how much defending yourself in a lawsuit is? I spent $18,000 defending myself and my old company in a frivolous lawsuit. Finally had to settle because the additional fees would be more than the amount that they wanted to settle for. Best part, we never even got close to going to court. We tried to force them to set a date, they wouldn't. The settlement came 4 years after the suit was filed. Just think how much paperwork lawyers can generate in 4 years.

So Ace saying he doesn't want the hassle means just that, he doesn't want to have to hire attorneys out of his own pocket to defend himself against things people he doesn't even personally know have written on his blog.

If it was talking youÂ’d be whistling out of the sides of your cock-pocket from the new found gills aceÂ’s cock had split into the sides of your cheeks you fucking ass kisser."

Anonymous, that is almost the most retarded comment I have ever seen.  I have actually met Ace, and he is no John Holmes.

^{Posted by: Dr Spank at June 11, 2011 11:27 PM (1fB+3)}

If the fees are filed, you can sue anyone. Winning in court is a whole different thing

^{Posted by: Dr Spank at June 11, 2011 11:49 PM (1fB+3)}

Trust me, they do. The attorney will make claims that the commenter is really just Ace trying to disguise his comments. This is why you don't see the real bat shit crazy letters to the editor in the newspaper. The paper doesn't want to be sued for libel. The paper can prove it didn't send the letter, but by that time, the lawyers' meter is running. At this point the damage is done. The defendant has had their name dragged through the media as being evil.

The judge is going to give the plaintiff every benefit of the doubt in the lead up. Why? Because judges know that every ruling can be critiqued down the road. Either by an appellate judge, or legislators when/if he/she is nominated to move up the food chain.

I've been through some scenarios like this, and trust me, we were undefeated in court. But in the court of public opinion, we lost because our name got trashed. The plaintiffs attorneys never were sanctioned or made to make us whole. They were disbarred later, but only because of escrow account violations. Seems the Bar is more interested in money than the law.

^{Posted by: Michael at June 12, 2011 12:08 AM (jVzcR)}

Check this lawsuit out. A company being sued for not including something on their product that didn't exist when the product was manufactured. A product that the user salvaged and refurbished. Guess who the jury, and later judge said who should pay?

^{Posted by: Dr Spank at June 12, 2011 01:28 AM (1fB+3)}

It's Ace's sandbox. If this is a matter he doesn't want to risk litigation over, then yes. You seem to think of the legal profession as some kind of gentleman's club with a strict code of conduct regarding frivolous lawsuits. From experience, I can tell you that is bullshit. These type of lawsuits get filed everyday, and nothing happens to those lawyers. The only time lawyers get in any kind of trouble is over escrow account issues.

Judges have made the bar in issues of standing very low in cases like this because they want to make sure that the plaintiffs get a "fair hearing".

I take it you have never been involved in the legal process or making any decisions in a business setting because half of what you do now is risk aversion.

Nice strawman argument though, I'm sure it will be a hit at the next Burning Man.