September 26, 2011
— Ace More Jews disapprove of Obama than approve, which of course means that most Jews now hate black people. (The only possible explanation for thinking a SCOAMF is doing a poor job.)
For the first time since he took the oath of office, President Barack ObamaÂ’s job-performance disapproval number among Jewish voters is higher than his approval, the American Jewish CommitteeÂ’s (AJCÂ’s) Annual Survey of American Jewish Opinion showed Monday.According to the poll, Jewish approval of the presidentÂ’s performance declined to 45 percent, with 48 percent disapproving and 7 percent undecided. Last year, 51 percent approved of ObamaÂ’s job performance and 44 percent disapproved.
So, Jews are starting to wake up and smell the SCOAMF. That must mean it's time for the New York Times to scare them with visions of visions of the Apocalypse.
Why the Antichrist Matters in PoliticsBy MATTHEW AVERY SUTTON
Published: September 25, 2011
Pullman, Wash.THE end is near — or so it seems to a segment of Christians aligned with the religious right. The global economic meltdown, numerous natural disasters and the threat of radical Islam have fueled a conviction among some evangelicals that these are the last days. While such beliefs might be dismissed as the rantings of a small but vocal minority, apocalyptic fears helped drive the antigovernment movements of the 1930s and ’40s and could help define the 2012 presidential campaign as well.
Christian apocalypticism has a long and varied history. Its most prevalent modern incarnation took shape a century ago, among the vast network of preachers, evangelists, Bible-college professors and publishers who established the fundamentalist movement. Baptists, Methodists, Presbyterians, Pentecostals and independents, they shared a commitment to returning the Christian faith to its “fundamentals.”
Biblical criticism, the return of Jews to the Holy Land, evolutionary science and World War I convinced them that the second coming of Jesus was imminent. Basing their predictions on biblical prophecy, they identified signs, drawn especially from the books of Daniel, Ezekiel and Revelation, that would foreshadow the arrival of the last days: the growth of strong central governments and the consolidation of independent nations into one superstate led by a seemingly benevolent leader promising world peace.
This leader would ultimately prove to be the Antichrist, who, after the so-called rapture of true saints to heaven, would lead humanity through a great tribulation culminating in the second coming and Armageddon.
One of my best friends is Jewish, and a committed Zionist. He's also a fairly strong Democrat.
Occasionally we'll see a bit of news together, and Obama and the Democrats will be doing something to undercut, isolate, or pressure Israel, and I'll arch an eyebrow in his direction.
I don't have to say anything; he knows what the eyebrow means.
"The Republicans just want the Jews in Israel to hurry the Apocalypse," he tells me.
The reason he believes this is that he has to believe this. The party he supports is not a very good friend to Israel, and the party he opposes is. To square this circle -- and justify to himself his continued support of the Democratic Party and Israel -- he's almost forced to buy into this claim that Republicans are even worse on Israel, and only support that country due to a Christian Theocratic Apocalypse Agenda.
So the uncomfortable fact that the Democratic Party is unfriendly to Israel is dismissed. The Republicans may "support" Israel, but they do so for the wrong reasons, and have a hostility towards the Jews in their hearts.
Which is why this will not be the first NYT article about this. The media is going to push this idea, because they need to get the Jews in line. They can't claim that Obama is a good president, or a friend to Israel; they can only throw mud at the Republican Party.
Which they will. Sure, Republicans are better for Jews on a variety of issues, including Israel, but seriously, Republican just want Jews in Israel so they can be killed in large numbers and usher in the second coming of Christ, who will of course convert the Jews who remain alive.
Meanwhile, the Democrats just want Israel to be weaker and less secure.
Isn't that better, when you think about it?
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Posted by: joeindc44 at September 26, 2011 02:16 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: nevergiveup at September 26, 2011 02:16 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: buzzion at September 26, 2011 02:17 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: Pooter Hound at September 26, 2011 02:17 PM (le5qc)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 26, 2011 02:17 PM (UlUS4)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 26, 2011 02:17 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: nevergiveup at September 26, 2011 06:16 PM
Hey, why are you guys keeping us goys out of the janitorial union?
Posted by: fluffy at September 26, 2011 02:17 PM (O6q63)
If he does believe in the Apocalypse, then he's not very Jewish.
The sure sign of bad thinking is when it doesn't make a lick of sense, even if you accept all the premises.
Posted by: Oldcat at September 26, 2011 02:18 PM (z1N6a)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at September 26, 2011 02:18 PM (AZGON)
I never heard about it either, but I guess I was just high off of incense and busy worshipping saints.
Posted by: Y-not at September 26, 2011 02:19 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Julio Goldberg at September 26, 2011 02:19 PM (Y+DPZ)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 26, 2011 02:19 PM (UlUS4)
Posted by: lauren at September 26, 2011 02:19 PM (zktnw)
Posted by: ParisParamus at September 26, 2011 02:20 PM (dij/b)
Posted by: joeindc44 at September 26, 2011 02:20 PM (QxSug)
>> The Republicans just want the Jews in Israel to hurry the Apocalypse
You can tell him your idiot friend in Texas says "We can't hurry it. We're not in charge of it."
Posted by: Dave in Texas at September 26, 2011 02:20 PM (PjVdx)
Posted by: Y-not at September 26, 2011 06:19 PM (5H6zj)
I think 'graven images' is the term you were looking for.
Posted by: Oldcat at September 26, 2011 02:20 PM (z1N6a)
Posted by: joeindc44 at September 26, 2011 02:20 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: nevergiveup at September 26, 2011 02:21 PM (i6RpT)
Ann Coulter (YMMV) has written at length about how the left brings up the "Religious Right" as the boogieman whenever liberalism's political fortunes are challenged.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at September 26, 2011 02:22 PM (c0A3e)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at September 26, 2011 02:23 PM (AZGON)
Posted by: nevergiveup at September 26, 2011 02:23 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: Papa Editor at September 26, 2011 06:22 PM (Zs83Q)
No real point. The fellow's real religion is being a Democrat.
Posted by: Oldcat at September 26, 2011 02:23 PM (z1N6a)
Posted by: av at September 26, 2011 02:24 PM (XgePz)
You've read my mind.
At this very moment there's a regime feverishly trying to build nuclear weapons in order to bring about chaos and thus the 12th Imam's return. Yet the NYT discounts Ahmedinejad's own public speeches about the 12th Imam and how it is Ahmedinejad's purpose to bring him back.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at September 26, 2011 02:24 PM (c0A3e)
Posted by: joeindc44 at September 26, 2011 02:24 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: mugiwara at September 26, 2011 02:24 PM (KI/Ch)
Know how many luxury cars and full size SUV's I saw Obama stickers on in California?
It's like they're thinking "he doesn't mean MY SUV!!"
Posted by: kbdabear at September 26, 2011 02:24 PM (Y+DPZ)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of
a miserable failure at September 26, 2011 06:23 PM (AZGON)
Well HE's not drowning. He lives in New York City.
Posted by: Oldcat at September 26, 2011 02:24 PM (z1N6a)
You can tell him your idiot friend in Texas says "We can't hurry it. We're not in charge of it."
That one is going over the upper deck, heading for the parking lot!
Posted by: fluffy at September 26, 2011 02:25 PM (O6q63)
Posted by: steevy at September 26, 2011 02:25 PM (fyOgS)
Posted by: Pooter Hound at September 26, 2011 06:17 PM (le5qc)
No, but I do know a little something about Catholic girls.
Posted by: Zombie Frank Zappa at September 26, 2011 02:25 PM (jucos)
One of my best friends is Jewish, and a committed Zionist. He's also a fairly strong Democrat. - Ace
He's not a janitor by any chance, is he?
Posted by: joejm65 at September 26, 2011 02:26 PM (UZuc4)
This is the whole Obama 2012 play book. Sure Obama sucks...but Republican to be named later is worse!
Posted by: 18-1 at September 26, 2011 02:26 PM (7BU4a)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at September 26, 2011 02:26 PM (AZGON)
It's like they're thinking "he doesn't mean MY SUV!!"
Posted by: kbdabear at September 26, 2011 06:24 PM (Y+DPZ)
The mote in your eye is important. The beam in my eye is not.
Posted by: Oldcat at September 26, 2011 02:26 PM (z1N6a)
So in other words, the Dems are closet Evangelicals, for weakening Israel will lead to an arab war on Israel, which means (at least) a Middle East apocolypse, and the death of Jews (and arabs) in very large numbers.
Sneaky Evangelical democrats...
Posted by: Uncle Jefe at September 26, 2011 02:27 PM (+3fAP)
Posted by: mugiwara at September 26, 2011 02:28 PM (KI/Ch)
Even after the most vicious anti-Semitic tirades from Louis Farrakhan she'd always say "he's just doing that for show, it's Pat Buchanan who really scares me"
Then I understood how so many of them were tricked into one way tickets to Auschwitz
Posted by: kbdabear at September 26, 2011 02:28 PM (Y+DPZ)
Posted by: Y-not at September 26, 2011 06:26 PM (5H6zj)
Presumably a pipe elbow, welded in the fashion known as 'butt'
Posted by: Oldcat at September 26, 2011 02:28 PM (z1N6a)
Posted by: Dr Ron Paul!! at September 26, 2011 02:28 PM (Sh42X)
Posted by: mpfs, TPT at September 26, 2011 02:29 PM (iYbLN)
Posted by: joeindc44 at September 26, 2011 02:29 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: chuck in st paul at September 26, 2011 02:30 PM (EhYdw)
Posted by: steevy wants to hasten the second coming at September 26, 2011 02:30 PM (fyOgS)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at September 26, 2011 02:30 PM (AZGON)
And then there are those folks who claim to have some special knowledge ...
For example, Democrats might be surprised by Democratic legislators who publicly voice support for jobs, students, safety nets, environmental protection and parks but vote against those priorities in order to boost the fortunes of narrow special interests. And Republicans might be surprised by Republican legislators who voice support for jobs but reject job-boosting bills that might harm a corporation or two or increase state revenues. And all constituents might be surprised to learn about legislators who don't understand the budgets they pass, countenance deceptive accounting, fight to keep information from citizens, and choose not to address the state's most pressing problems in order to focus on special interests.
... or ...
This goes well beyond the jobs crisis or the budget. Take education. Democrats canÂ’t say we need to fire bad teachers who are blighting the lives of countless kids, because teachers unions are the partyÂ’s most powerful interest group. But Republicans canÂ’t say we need to raise salaries for new teachers substantially if weÂ’re going to lure a new generation of talent to the classroom, because thatÂ’s admitting that money is part of the answer. Trouble is, weÂ’ll never solve what ails education without getting bad teachers out and paying up for new talent to come in. That means Democrats and Republicans canÂ’t solve the problem.
... but it you dig down, the truth always seems to be more "enlightened" spending and taxing.
The painful truth that Obama is still denying, as are most of these folks, is that there is a limit on taxation and we've come pretty much to the end of the line. That means there must be a limit on spending.
Obama was the "Magic Negro" but unfortunately he doesn't have the power to turn debt into gold. There is no Magic. There is only ourselves.
Posted by: Charles Gasparino at September 26, 2011 02:31 PM (e8kgV)
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 26, 2011 02:31 PM (r4t7/)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at September 26, 2011 02:31 PM (LH6ir)
Posted by: nevergiveup at September 26, 2011 02:31 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at September 26, 2011 02:32 PM (3gMBx)
Posted by: kbdabear at September 26, 2011 06:28 PM (Y+DPZ)
You are stupid and offensive.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at September 26, 2011 02:32 PM (LH6ir)
.
Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of
a miserable failure at September 26, 2011 06:30 PM (AZGON)
The means justify the ends, even worse than the ends justify the means. Liberalism in a nutshell.
Posted by: mugiwara at September 26, 2011 02:32 PM (KI/Ch)
Even the AP is coming out and saying in full voice that "secretaries paying higher taxes than millionaires" is complete and utter bullshit yet he just keeps saying it to the cheering leftist crowds.
Amazing. Full douche mode.
Posted by: Bill Mitchell at September 26, 2011 02:33 PM (uVlA4)
Posted by: nevergiveup at September 26, 2011 06:31 PM (i6RpT)
Democrat first, Zionist and Jewish last.
Simple enough.
Posted by: Oldcat at September 26, 2011 02:33 PM (z1N6a)
Posted by: kbdabear at September 26, 2011 02:33 PM (Y+DPZ)
Posted by: nevergiveup at September 26, 2011 02:34 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: Han Soloberg at September 26, 2011 02:34 PM (dyLIH)
Posted by: joeindc44 at September 26, 2011 02:35 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: Papa Editor at September 26, 2011 06:29 PM (Zs83Q)
Don't forget the material too. I refuse to pay out the buttweld for Hastelloy especially when Carbon Steel will do.
Posted by: buzzion at September 26, 2011 02:35 PM (GULKT)
Some Jews might get alarmed when though when they start seeing signs marking the path to the showers.
It's inevitable with all totalitarian groups coincidentally, about the same that they gain total control and you stop cooperating.
Posted by: ontherocks at September 26, 2011 02:35 PM (HBqDo)
Posted by: av at September 26, 2011 02:35 PM (XgePz)
Posted by: Billionaire Jew Janitors for sale at September 26, 2011 02:36 PM (AZGON)
The DNC knows Obama will lose in 2012. He is already toast. So, they went to Obama and said, "listen, either you go out and fire up the base and raise money for us to fight the Republicans for Congress with or we are going to primary you!".
This is the only possible rationale for him giving up and semblance of moderation and throwing away the Independent vote. It's just about the money now.
Posted by: Bill Mitchell at September 26, 2011 02:36 PM (uVlA4)
You need to visit Israel...soon.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at September 26, 2011 02:36 PM (LH6ir)
As do I.
Here are a few reasons for you drooling morons, .
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at September 26, 2011 06:32 PM (c0A3e)
Oy.
Posted by: Osama bin Truck Monkey, TEArrorist Son of a Bitch at September 26, 2011 02:36 PM (jucos)
Posted by: Dr Spank at September 26, 2011 02:36 PM (Sh42X)
40 What the heck is a butt welded elbow?
i think its a elbow thats welded on one end with a flange on the other end.
Posted by: Racefan at September 26, 2011 02:36 PM (CsqdT)
"Christian apocalypticism has a long and varied history."
I believe the term that is most widely used now is eschatology, pfft paper of the academic my ass. This article was written by someone whose watched too much history channel and hasn't been in a church since the 1800's.
/Turns on Top Shot
//Stays after for the show about alien weapons
Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at September 26, 2011 02:37 PM (tKFT6)
This.
The epitome being Debbie "Bad Hair Day" Wasserman-Schultz, claiming Republicans want to destroy the American auto industry while doing her part to support it by driving a Japanese car.
Posted by: Rex Harrison's Hat at September 26, 2011 02:37 PM (4136b)
Posted by: Rep. Henry Waxman at September 26, 2011 02:37 PM (rJVPU)
1.how many times have you been to Israel?
2.did you volunteer on a kibbutz after high school?-ie Bachmann the shiksa
3.did you or your children do a gap year in Israel before college - an ortho rite of passage.
you'll find very few democratic voting "committed zionists" will answer yes to any of these questions.
Posted by: av at September 26, 2011 06:35 PM (XgePz)
i thought you did not have to be a jew to be a zionist?
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at September 26, 2011 02:38 PM (3gMBx)
Posted by: kbdabear at September 26, 2011 06:28 PM (Y+DPZ)
You are stupid and offensive.
My apologies Charlie, didn't mean to offend, but deceit was a main factor in the transports. Many simply didn't want to believe that sophisticated Europeans who were their friends and neighbors would do anything monstrous, so it must be just another pogrom that would pass.
Posted by: kbdabear at September 26, 2011 02:38 PM (Y+DPZ)
Posted by: nevergiveup at September 26, 2011 02:39 PM (i6RpT)
...Here we go again - Decaf. Try the decaf.
Don't make me post the Slim Whitman.
Posted by: Han Soloberg at September 26, 2011 02:39 PM (dyLIH)
Make the lie big and repeat it. Classic propaganda. I say, classic propaganda. Truth is only coincidental and irrelevant.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivelDrivel at September 26, 2011 02:41 PM (r4t7/)
But obviously, I don't understand the subtleties of Judaism with regard to voting en bloc for the lib/Dems that want nothing more than to sell out the state of Israel.
Posted by: Hrothgar at September 26, 2011 02:41 PM (i3+c5)
Maybe they save it for the homilies in the ungodly early masses, like the 8am, 10am, 12pm, and 6pm masses.
It's only preached in the Latin masses.
Posted by: somebody else, not me at September 26, 2011 02:41 PM (7EV/g)
Posted by: mpfs, TPT at September 26, 2011 02:41 PM (iYbLN)
Posted by: Sen. Chuck Schumer at September 26, 2011 02:41 PM (rJVPU)
You are embarrassingly stupid. What you say makes no sense.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at September 26, 2011 02:42 PM (LH6ir)
Posted by: steevy wants to hasten the second coming at September 26, 2011 02:42 PM (fyOgS)
Posted by: Sen. Chuck Schumer at September 26, 2011 02:42 PM (rJVPU)
But obviously, I don't understand the subtleties of Judaism with regard to voting en bloc for the lib/Dems that want nothing more than to sell out the state of Israel.
Posted by: Hrothgar at September 26, 2011 06:41 PM (i3+c5)
You are making the assumption that Democrats value democracy and sanity and human life.
This is unwarranted by the evidence.
Posted by: Oldcat at September 26, 2011 02:42 PM (z1N6a)
My neighbor is always mowing my lawn, giving me flowers and washing my car.
I just know that he secretly hates my guts, the bastard.
Posted by: kdny at September 26, 2011 02:42 PM (KxHDw)
Posted by: av at September 26, 2011 02:43 PM (XgePz)
Posted by: nevergiveup at September 26, 2011 02:43 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: kdny at September 26, 2011 02:44 PM (KxHDw)
Posted by: nerdygirl at September 26, 2011 02:44 PM (MWBn8)
Posted by: ace at September 26, 2011 02:44 PM (nj1bB)
One of my best friends is Jewish,
Your friend claims to be a Jew.
I do not think it means what he thinks it means.
Posted by: ErikW at September 26, 2011 02:45 PM (Se8cc)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at September 26, 2011 02:45 PM (AZGON)
Posted by: Waterhouse at September 26, 2011 02:45 PM (kVCEb)
The epitome being Debbie "Bad Hair Day" Wasserman-Schultz, claiming Republicans want to destroy the American auto industry while doing her part to support it by driving a Japanese car.
Posted by: Rex
Harrison's Hat at September 26, 2011 06:37 PM (4136b)
SCRUNT...thy name is DW-S.
Posted by: billygoat at September 26, 2011 02:45 PM (vHu6+)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at September 26, 2011 02:46 PM (AZGON)
What a surprise the demonrats and their co-opted minions will have when the next major conflict erupts, and Prophecy remains true.
Posted by: just another PK at September 26, 2011 02:46 PM (BKfzm)
Heh.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 26, 2011 02:46 PM (r4t7/)
"The Republicans just want the Jews in Israel to hurry the Apocalypse," he tells me.
What...a....crock. Where does that come from? ....Does he really think that Christians are just a bunch of Hale Boppers waiting eagerly for their own demise?
Is this a widely held belief among Jewish people?
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 26, 2011 02:47 PM (tHnMf)
Posted by: nevergiveup at September 26, 2011 02:47 PM (i6RpT)
One of my best friends is Jewish, and a committed Zionist. He's also a fairly strong Democrat.
Impossible, ace doesn't have any friends.
Posted by: Barak McTotus at September 26, 2011 02:47 PM (q177U)
If they are like my family at least I know there will be lots of good food.
Posted by: mpfs, TPT, Secret Joo Cabal Lifetime Member at September 26, 2011 02:47 PM (iYbLN)
Learn more about the Holocaust before you glibly minimize the methods the Nazis used to move the Jews into the concentration camps.
1. Power was the main factor in moving the Jews.
2. Support from the non-Jewish population around them was also key (see Denmark).
3. Many -- perhaps most -- were aware of where they were going. But European Jewry was, by and large, a peaceful group. There was no martial tradition onto which they could fall back to fight for themselves.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at September 26, 2011 02:47 PM (LH6ir)
Posted by: Pooter Hound at September 26, 2011 02:48 PM (le5qc)
Posted by: av at September 26, 2011 02:48 PM (XgePz)
1.how many times have you been to Israel?
2.did you volunteer on a kibbutz after high school?-ie Bachmann the shiksa
3.did you or your children do a gap year in Israel before college - an ortho rite of passage.
>>>you'll find very few democratic voting "committed zionists" will answer yes to any of these questions.
You have absolutely no fucking clue whatsoever what you're talking about.
Amazingly ignorant!
Posted by: Douglas Edwards, concerned Republican conservative at September 26, 2011 02:49 PM (D9z3D)
Posted by: Dante at September 26, 2011 02:49 PM (ZacuO)
Posted by: ace at September 26, 2011 02:49 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: joeindc44 at September 26, 2011 02:49 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: steevy at September 26, 2011 02:50 PM (fyOgS)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 26, 2011 02:51 PM (UlUS4)
Posted by: curiously rest of the worldly at September 26, 2011 02:51 PM (5I0Yr)
>>>You know there's a little more to life than calling people fucking names because you don't like their fucking politics.
Haven't you learned from my experience on this site, Ace?
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 26, 2011 02:52 PM (D9z3D)
Posted by: nerdygirl at September 26, 2011 02:52 PM (MWBn8)
Posted by: Prezidizzle Obizzle at September 26, 2011 02:52 PM (xy9wk)
Posted by: steevy at September 26, 2011 02:52 PM (fyOgS)
So the only people more devious than the Zai-Honest Juice are Eeevilll Republican Right Wing Extremist Terrorist TeaParty Hobbit Evangelicals?
Kewl!
Posted by: Sign Me Up at September 26, 2011 02:52 PM (cCiwY)
Posted by: nevergiveup at September 26, 2011 06:47 PM (i6RpT)
You have fights with your family, don't you?
I decided a few years ago that I wasn't going to tolerate the touchy-feely Dem talking points.
You don't like Israel and have the balls to say it in my house? Fuck you; I'm going to rip you to shreds (rhetorically).
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at September 26, 2011 02:52 PM (LH6ir)
I brought up the anecdote to make a point about politics, not to enter him into some kind of Hate Figure Derby.
Posted by: ace at September 26, 2011 06:44 PM
Perhaps your friend could use some introspection to see that demonizing and dehumanizing "the other" is the tool of malevolent politics no matter who is doing it. By assigning all evils to "Republicans" even though "that Ace isn't so bad" is using the same political tools that are as old as politics itself.
Posted by: kbdabear at September 26, 2011 02:52 PM (Y+DPZ)
Posted by: Pooter Hound at September 26, 2011 02:52 PM (le5qc)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 26, 2011 02:53 PM (eOXTH)
Posted by: steevy at September 26, 2011 06:52 PM (fyOgS)
Well, I did ask if his friend was a janitor. I denounce myself.
Posted by: joejm65 at September 26, 2011 02:54 PM (UZuc4)
Never mind.
Posted by: mpfs, TPT, Secret Joo Cabal Lifetime Member at September 26, 2011 02:54 PM (iYbLN)
Jesus Christ. Are you impervious to irony?
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 26, 2011 02:54 PM (D9z3D)
Posted by: ace at September 26, 2011 06:49 PM (nj1bB)
Cultural Jews who sell out the the land of God's chosen people deserve all the shit they get.
Posted by: ErikW at September 26, 2011 02:54 PM (Se8cc)
Posted by: nevergiveup at September 26, 2011 06:43 PM (i6RpT)
That applies to Nazi / Hitler references too. Someone ought to tell liberals that.
Posted by: Roy at September 26, 2011 02:55 PM (tiOTz)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at September 26, 2011 02:55 PM (AZGON)
Posted by: Prezidizzle Obizzle at September 26, 2011 06:52 PM (xy9wk)
True that.
Posted by: Malcolm X from the Crypt at September 26, 2011 02:55 PM (vHu6+)
Posted by: garrett at September 26, 2011 06:52 PM (YLhwq)
Kratos beat you to it. That's where I've been this thread.
Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at September 26, 2011 02:55 PM (uoloY)
Posted by: ace at September 26, 2011 06:44 PM (nj1bB)
Still waiting for your review of that flick.
Saw it the other night with a bunch of drunken Danish bikers. Kinda got lost in the subtitles and beer farts.
Posted by: ontherocks at September 26, 2011 02:55 PM (HBqDo)
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 26, 2011 02:55 PM (D9z3D)
Posted by: Jewish Janitor at September 26, 2011 02:55 PM (rJVPU)
Posted by: steevy at September 26, 2011 02:56 PM (fyOgS)
Do you have any friends or family members who hold political views you disagree with? Even a single one?
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 26, 2011 02:56 PM (D9z3D)
I have jewish relatives. Pointed out the murder of an Israeli family to one and he said something akin to " the cycle of violence...".
And so you have the spectacle of the Catholic scolding the Jew about moral relavence in regards the Pali Israeli conflict.
Surreal.
Posted by: kdny at September 26, 2011 02:57 PM (KxHDw)
Posted by: ace at September 26, 2011 06:49 PM (nj1bB)
Yeah, not sure why people are talking shit about a friend of yours on your own blog.
I think its kind of the internet equivilant of foot in mouth disease.
Posted by: Max Power at September 26, 2011 02:58 PM (q177U)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at September 26, 2011 02:58 PM (AZGON)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 26, 2011 02:58 PM (UlUS4)
Posted by: nevergiveup at September 26, 2011 02:58 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 26, 2011 06:53 PM (eOXTH)
My high school was located in a Jewish Temple for two years (really...a long but true story)...anyhey, the janitor there WAS Jewish.
Posted by: billygoat at September 26, 2011 02:58 PM (vHu6+)
@40: "What the heck is a butt welded elbow?"
A bad day with the "Honey Do" List at the Biden house.
Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at September 26, 2011 02:58 PM (xy9wk)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 26, 2011 02:59 PM (UlUS4)
Thread winner.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at September 26, 2011 03:00 PM (LH6ir)
Posted by: ace at September 26, 2011 03:00 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: nevergiveup at September 26, 2011 03:00 PM (i6RpT)
He has chosen his party and their platform. It was not forced upon him.
He has actively perpetuated such lies rubbish nonsense by choosing his party.
Posted by: As If! at September 26, 2011 03:01 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: steevy at September 26, 2011 03:01 PM (fyOgS)
Posted by: steevy at September 26, 2011 06:56 PM (fyOgS)
I'd agree -- but it does seem that here at AoS we're pretty well represented by many groups of people who all happen to be Conservative...it gives me true hope. BTW Ace, sorry I was late on the donation -- hitting it now.
Posted by: billygoat at September 26, 2011 03:01 PM (vHu6+)
Posted by: ace at September 26, 2011 03:02 PM (nj1bB)
>>>So like repeatedly calling him an asshole is sort of futile, except from the standpoint of venting, which, frankly, seems to be the only goddamn thing "politics" is about any more.
See what happens when you try to explain why most women really, really dislike Sarah Palin using anecdotal evidence.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 26, 2011 03:02 PM (D9z3D)
Do you have any friends or family members who hold political views you disagree with? Even a single one?
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 26, 2011 06:56 PM (D9z3D)
So you're okay with the destruction of Israel?
You're pathetic.
Posted by: ErikW at September 26, 2011 03:02 PM (Se8cc)
Posted by: Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse at September 26, 2011 03:03 PM (mJKH0)
Posted by: nevergiveup at September 26, 2011 03:03 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: nerdygirl at September 26, 2011 03:04 PM (MWBn8)
You all do realize the point of the post is that this is a widespread belief among Jews, and not just One Guy?
I'm friends with this guy. This went on with us for years. I've since turned him.
Obama helped. A lot.
Still working on his father and several others like him.
Posted by: garrett at September 26, 2011 03:04 PM (YLhwq)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 26, 2011 03:04 PM (UlUS4)
Posted by: steevy at September 26, 2011 03:04 PM (fyOgS)
>>>He has chosen his party and their platform. It was not forced upon him.
Except for the fact that tons and tons of Jews feel the exact same way. What, you think the phenomenon Ace describes is limited to his friend? I got news for you, from a guy what knows Jewish folks: it's not. It's really, really not. You want to tell them all to go fuck themselves one at a time? Or maybe instead sit and actually ponder thoughtfully the cultural and political barriers (and demagoguery) that have led to this situation?
NAAAAH. Let's just call this stupid Jew some more names.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 26, 2011 03:04 PM (D9z3D)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at September 26, 2011 03:05 PM (AZGON)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 26, 2011 03:05 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at September 26, 2011 03:06 PM (uoloY)
Posted by: ace at September 26, 2011 07:00 PM (nj1bB)
It's a widespread liberal, Democratic talking point that Republicans only support Israel because of Christian millennial beliefs, but, even if the target of the Democrats is to scare Jews with the evangelist bogeyman, the beliefs have spread much further, to the point where some anti-Zionists outside the United States glibly attribute US support for Israel as a scheme to hasten the Christian apocalypse.
Posted by: DKCZ at September 26, 2011 03:06 PM (gjsMD)
Yes, and pigs could fly out of my backside. I'm sure I wouldn't enjoy it. Well, less than a bottle, anyway.
Posted by: pep at September 26, 2011 03:06 PM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: Obama, President-For-Life at September 26, 2011 03:06 PM (QgAFR)
>>>You're pathetic.
WTF are you even talking about? Did you even understand the point I was making? Apparently not.
(Incidentally, the answer is "of course not you remarkable dunce.")
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 26, 2011 03:06 PM (D9z3D)
Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at September 26, 2011 03:06 PM (OhYCU)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 26, 2011 03:06 PM (UlUS4)
Posted by: av at September 26, 2011 03:07 PM (XgePz)
How many of you are old enough to remember the cleaning product "Janitor In a Drum?"
Obama has rebranded it "Janitor In A Dreidel."
We are not amused
Posted by: Joo Janitor in A Drum Circle at September 26, 2011 03:07 PM (0fUOB)
Posted by: nevergiveup at September 26, 2011 07:03 PM (i6RpT)
Is this a restaurant or cafeteria?
I'm getting hungry and don't have much scratch.
Posted by: ontherocks at September 26, 2011 03:07 PM (HBqDo)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 26, 2011 03:07 PM (UlUS4)
Posted by: nevergiveup at September 26, 2011 03:08 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: Y-not at September 26, 2011 06:26 PM
Oooooooh! I loooove it when Jason talks like that!
Posted by: Bawney Fwank at September 26, 2011 03:09 PM (YjjrR)
If they (evangelicals) want to support us until the end of the world, that's long enough.
Posted by: willnbill at September 26, 2011 03:09 PM (+ii6P)
(Incidentally, the answer is "of course not you remarkable dunce.")
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 26, 2011 07:06 PM (D9z3D)
Yes, I'm outrageously pissed right now and I'll be happy to have a conversation, if you'd like.
Posted by: ErikW at September 26, 2011 03:10 PM (Se8cc)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at September 26, 2011 03:10 PM (AZGON)
Posted by: D. Hopper Badger at September 26, 2011 03:11 PM (kBWjM)
Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at September 26, 2011 03:12 PM (uoloY)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 26, 2011 03:12 PM (UlUS4)
Posted by: ace at September 26, 2011 07:02 PM
It would occur to me that Alinsky observed anti-Semitism and racism and decided that those elements could be used against political enemies without the race or creed identifiers.
It's evil no matter who does it and who the target is, made more evil in that human nature is perverted in its methods
Posted by: kbdabear at September 26, 2011 03:12 PM (Y+DPZ)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at September 26, 2011 03:12 PM (AZGON)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 26, 2011 03:15 PM (UlUS4)
Posted by: Jean at September 26, 2011 03:15 PM (RURIy)
Speaking of... did you know that YOU are responsible for the bitch slapping on that thread.
Yes. You.
Or so the SOB claims.
Posted by: As If! at September 26, 2011 03:15 PM (piMMO)
I mean, isn't it appropriate for an American to place less importance on what's happening in another country than on what is happening here?
I realize with the history involved of the Holocaust that Israel's survival is often equated with the survival of the Jewish people, but in a secular sense from a US perspective, it really is just another country. A good, important ally, to be sure, but I guess I could see how a Jewish person could still wind up being a Democrat.
Posted by: Y-not at September 26, 2011 03:15 PM (5H6zj)
Time out: If you were a Christian evangelical and wanted the Apocalypse to arrive - and Jesus to return - wouldn't you oppose the state of Israel and not support it?
Seems to me that if you wanted to hasten the arrival of the end times, you wouldn't want to defend Israel. You'd oppose it to make those end times come quicker.
I know, I know, this whole argument is silly. I'm sure some - maybe many - Evangelicals support Israel out of biblical reasons. But the vast majority of conservatives are not Evangelicals and they support Israel for secular, non-religious reasons.
Posted by: WhatTheHell? at September 26, 2011 03:15 PM (FgZDd)
Matso balls and slingshots.
Fear them.
Posted by: As If! at September 26, 2011 03:15 PM (piMMO)
The ones I knew voted, nearly to a man/woman, for Henry Waxman.
They were/are good, charitable people. Their response to antisemitic attacks from the 'hood was to raise more money for the NAACP.
I guess driving up to that zillion-dollar shul in your Mercedes-Benz ("you can't blame Mercedes-Benz for WWII, you know") does something to your head.
Posted by: MrScribbler at September 26, 2011 03:16 PM (YjjrR)
Posted by: nevergiveup at September 26, 2011 03:17 PM (i6RpT)
Yeah, well I did go off topic and bring Vick up.
I don't get why that person went all raaacist on us. Seemed pretty unhinged. Sorry to foul the thread, though. I didn't stick along for the biggest fireworks, apparently.
Posted by: Y-not at September 26, 2011 03:17 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 26, 2011 03:18 PM (o2lIv)
Posted by: tasker at September 26, 2011 03:18 PM (rJVPU)
Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at September 26, 2011 03:19 PM (OhYCU)
I'm sure some - maybe many - Evangelicals support Israel out of biblical reasons.
Posted by: WhatTheHell? at September 26, 2011 07:15 PM (FgZDd)
Ya think?
Posted by: ErikW at September 26, 2011 03:19 PM (Se8cc)
Posted by: nevergiveup at September 26, 2011 03:20 PM (i6RpT)
Are you illiterate? Did I call him a name? Or, did I say he was responsible for his own choices?
Posted by: As If! at September 26, 2011 03:20 PM (piMMO)
JeffB and garrett
Fuck any and all teams standing in the way of the Red Sox -- over the next 3 days (nights), this applies to the O's and the Rays.
IY"H (Im Yirtzeh Hashem), we'll see and best the Phillies, or the Cards, or whomever come World Series time.
Posted by: RamonAllones at September 26, 2011 03:20 PM (ha+6S)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at September 26, 2011 03:21 PM (AZGON)
163....You all do realize the point of the post is that this is a widespread belief among Jews, and not just One Guy?
I do now, Mr. Ace. ....What can be done to dispell this myth? Personally, I had no idea that it was "a widespread belief". ...All of the Christians I know don't buy into that whole rapture thing, and think it is just a fringe misinterpretation of scripture.
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 26, 2011 03:21 PM (tHnMf)
Posted by: snowcrash at September 26, 2011 03:21 PM (w3YD7)
I think the change in overall Jewish politics may be due to the liberal ones dying out.
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 26, 2011 07:05 PM (niZvt)
The number of Orthodox Jews is increasing as well as the number of Hassidic Jews. Reform and unaffiliated Jews have high rates of intermarriage and conversion and have few kids. Conservative Jews are the same, albeit to a lesser extent, and Conservative Jews have been leaving for Orthodox or Reform congregations in great numbers over the last few decades. Orthodox and Hassidic Jews have more children and low rates of intermarriage or conversion. Although these demographic changes mean the American Jewish population is gradually becoming dominated by Orthodox and Hassidic congregations, this can't account for sudden swings in Jewish voting; Obama can take credit for that.
Posted by: DKCZ at September 26, 2011 03:21 PM (gjsMD)
Posted by: Dr Spank at September 26, 2011 03:21 PM (Sh42X)
Posted by: Y-not at September 26, 2011 07:15 PM
To a lot of American Jews -- again, at least the ones I was around in Los Angeles -- Israel is more a concept than an actual state.
They go on excursions to the Holy Land, donate to various charities, mourn the deaths of Israelis killed by Muzzies, then rush right off to the Museum of Tolerance to "dialogue" with Arabs in hopes that all the strife will end if we just understand and help the downtrodden.
They live in a friggin' dream world.
Posted by: MrScribbler at September 26, 2011 03:21 PM (YjjrR)
Posted by: Corky the Retard at September 26, 2011 07:19 PM (vHu6+)
Dangit. Now you've got me all atwitter remembering the Corky the Chockit Ice Cream! comment from a couple of weeks ago.
Still LMAO.
Posted by: As If! at September 26, 2011 03:21 PM (piMMO)
Put your hand in the hand of the man who calms the Walters,
Put your hand in the hand of the man who lowers the seas...
Posted by: Folk Songs For SCOAMF at September 26, 2011 03:21 PM (0fUOB)
Posted by: av at September 26, 2011 03:22 PM (XgePz)
OK, I see your point.
I guess I also am sensitive to charges that are often leveled against American Jews (generally by the Left) that they are overly fixated on Israel. So to me I guess someone could be a Zionist, but still wind up a Democrat on domestic issues.
Posted by: Y-not at September 26, 2011 03:22 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 26, 2011 03:23 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: nevergiveup at September 26, 2011 03:23 PM (i6RpT)
I would say eschatology (study of end times/last things) generally is a more frequent topic in the Bible Belt.
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 26, 2011 03:24 PM (o2lIv)
Posted by: John F'n Kerry at September 26, 2011 03:24 PM (0fUOB)
Posted by: Jones at September 26, 2011 03:25 PM (8sCoq)
Or, you could just threaten the banhammer, almost as if it's your site, your rules.
"Why didn't you come to me like a man and tell me I run this site that has my fake internet name on the masthead?"
Posted by: sandy burger at September 26, 2011 03:25 PM (ErTq7)
Ya think?
Gosh, they couldn't support it because it's a democracy that supports the US and is the only country in the Middle East that allows religious freedom?
No, they're all yahoos who only support it because their Reverends tell them so.
Posted by: WhatTheHell? at September 26, 2011 03:25 PM (FgZDd)
MFM viewpoint:
Muslim "extremists" (terrorists) are obviously not representative of the whole of the Muslim faith. Let's not fear a whole religion based on a few nutjobs.
Apocalypse fearing Christians are a "small but vocal minority", but watch out! The 30's and 40's were driven by the wackos, and they're coming for you again in '12. Be very, very afraid.
Posted by: Capt. Obvious at September 26, 2011 03:26 PM (TSJb0)
Posted by: nevergiveup at September 26, 2011 07:23 PM (i6RpT)
Well, I support Israel for that reason AND the fact that it is surrounded by blood-thirsty refuse from the sixth century that wishes noting more than their extermination, simply because they are Jewish.
Posted by: Hrothgar at September 26, 2011 03:26 PM (i3+c5)
"Why didn't you come to me like a man and tell me I run this site that has my fake internet name on the masthead?"
Must we really bring this up again? Yeesh!
Posted by: John Edwards at September 26, 2011 03:26 PM (0fUOB)
Maybe on some late night cable channel.
Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at September 26, 2011 03:27 PM (OhYCU)
we'll see and best the Phillies, or the Cards, or whomever come World Series time.
Don't bet the kibbutz on it.
They'll be lucky to make the playoffs.
Posted by: garrett at September 26, 2011 03:27 PM (YLhwq)
Posted by: tasker at September 26, 2011 03:27 PM (rJVPU)
Posted by: snowcrash at September 26, 2011 07:21 PM (w3YD7)
I think that would be a NO!
Douchebag.
Posted by: ErikW at September 26, 2011 03:27 PM (Se8cc)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 26, 2011 03:28 PM (niZvt)
Muslim "extremists" (terrorists) are obviously not representative of the whole of the Muslim faith. Let's not fear a whole religion based on a few nutjobs.
Apocalypse fearing Christians are a "small but vocal minority", but watch out! The 30's and 40's were driven by the wackos, and they're coming for you again in '12. Be very, very afraid.
Liberal dissonance and hypocrisy has got to be why Libidiots are all so miserable and screwed up. I've said this before, and it's the only time I agree with Michael Savage: "Liberalism is a mental disorder."
Posted by: John Edwards at September 26, 2011 03:28 PM (0fUOB)
Posted by: the rest of the world at September 26, 2011 03:28 PM (k1rwm)
Posted by: nevergiveup at September 26, 2011 03:29 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: Jean at September 26, 2011 03:29 PM (RURIy)
All,
Israel-based political-diplomatic analyst Barry Rubin has what is perhaps the best essay out there on the topic, insofar as it is pragmatic, respectful, and fact-based. Really.
It's his 14 September 2011 essay "What Jews Should Know About Christians," on (rubinreports.blogspot.com) -- and no, I'm not a Barry Rubin sockpuppet.
Besos,
Ramon
Posted by: RamonAllones at September 26, 2011 03:29 PM (ha+6S)
Perhaps it is discussed more often in the places where things move a bit slower, but the Rapture is pretty danged significant part of the Christian faith. For those above to suggest that Christians don't believe in it is absurd.
Posted by: As If! at September 26, 2011 03:30 PM (piMMO)
Let's see: Evangelicals are incapable of holding more than one idea in their head at the same time.
They support Israel for biblical reasons. Period. They are incapable of supporting the country for religious and non-religious or secular reasons. E.g., it's a democracy, it allows religious freedom, it supports the US.
Nah, they simply cannot hold more than one idea in their heads at one time.
Posted by: WhatTheHell? at September 26, 2011 03:30 PM (FgZDd)
Obviously, she brings a wealth of personal knowledge (of what, I have no idea).
Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at September 26, 2011 03:32 PM (e8kgV)
Yeah. Some Christians think Revelations refers to the future, and some think it (somewhat cryptically) describes events which have already happened. Some think it's literal, some think it's symbolic, some think it's a coded political statement about the Roman empire, etc.
Posted by: sandy burger at September 26, 2011 03:32 PM (ErTq7)
I will never in my life bring up a personal anecdote again.
Me, neither. I learned that the hard way when I was ...
... hey, wait a minute ...
Posted by: FireHorse at September 26, 2011 03:32 PM (F5OMl)
The Rapture, maybe (as it's like half a verse). But I think you have an overly broad definition of "Christian" if you think most don't believe in the end of the world at all. When are they expecting the bodily resurrection if not after the end of this world?
And what do they think "Thy kingdom come" means?
Posted by: Methos at September 26, 2011 03:32 PM (sOXQX)
You've been watching too much MSNBC.
Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at September 26, 2011 03:33 PM (OhYCU)
Posted by: jjshaka at September 26, 2011 03:33 PM (xfOTD)
I'm Catholic and have no idea what it is.
Posted by: Dr Spank at September 26, 2011 03:33 PM (Sh42X)
Really.
It's the only thing on my mind. Because we humans have the power to manipulate God's time frame.
Posted by: As If! at September 26, 2011 03:33 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: tasker at September 26, 2011 03:34 PM (rJVPU)
Before this deal between Reid and McConnell, Reid wanted anywhere from $7-10B in disaster funding and he always talked about budgeting for it later (or never). Anyway, the House has not yet collectively signed-off on the deal, so we'll see. Even if the House leadership agrees to it, they still have to get a majority of members.
As for the approximate budget, we know the total for discretionary but not yet for mandatory. I can see the latter easily rising by 3-5%.
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 26, 2011 03:35 PM (o2lIv)
"I hate this term "Special Relationship" when people discuss Israel. The ONLY reason for most Americans to support Israel is because it is a Democracy ( and a rather vibrant one at that) and Democracies support other Democracies. Now American Jews might have other reasons to support Israel but that is a whole other argument."
Nonsense. Israel has consistently produced the best trance music on Earth for the last 15 years.
Posted by: PartyBoy at September 26, 2011 03:35 PM (xXhWA)
Posted by: Jordan at September 26, 2011 03:35 PM (XJYf4)
Posted by: buzzion at September 26, 2011 03:35 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 26, 2011 03:35 PM (niZvt)
O/T, but Chuck Woolery has a new spoof vid of an "Amish Tax". Kind of cute. New tax on armpit hair--
"It's like they've got Buckwheat in a headlock."
Up on theblazedotcom.
Posted by: runningrn at September 26, 2011 03:36 PM (0fUOB)
Not to mention that most of them are janitors.
Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at September 26, 2011 03:36 PM (OhYCU)
Posted by: tasker at September 26, 2011 03:36 PM (rJVPU)
They support Israel for biblical reasons. Period. \
That doesn't sound Anti-Semetic or anything.
Posted by: ErikW at September 26, 2011 03:36 PM (Se8cc)
Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at September 26, 2011 03:37 PM (OhYCU)
240.....I would say eschatology (study of end times/last things) generally is a more frequent topic in the Bible Belt.
Not from what I've seen, Miss80'sBaby. ....There might be some small amount of it going on in isolated pockets here and there, but no more than any other area of the country.
Most people around here in my neck of the Bible Belt are too busy having babies, raising them and trying to survive. ....Not something you'd be doing if you were cheering on the end times of the apocalypse.
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 26, 2011 03:37 PM (tHnMf)
I beg your pardon. Christians who believe in the Rapture are hardly equivalent to a bunch of retards.
Posted by: As If! at September 26, 2011 03:37 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: nevergiveup at September 26, 2011 03:38 PM (i6RpT)
16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. 18 Therefore encourage one another with these words.
1 Thess 4
Posted by: martin at September 26, 2011 03:38 PM (4nxhP)
Hell I think they're are 12 different types of Baptists cuz they always be a feudin'!
Posted by: tasker at September 26, 2011 07:36 PM (rJVPU)
Posted by: buzzion at September 26, 2011 03:39 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: Spiker at September 26, 2011 03:39 PM (4t9J5)
No. The entire topic is one which is discussed quite often, whether it be in Sunday School or church. Which denominations have a greater tendency to focus on it depends on their interpretation of the end times.
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 26, 2011 03:39 PM (o2lIv)
First of all, any Jew with half a clue would have known from Obama's association with former PLO spokeman Khalid Rashidi (not to mention Jeremiah Wright) that Obama was probably anti-Israel.
I spoke to quite a few who stuck their heads into the sand about this. "Oh", he doesn't really agree with them", they said to themselves. Empirically, no. . .he seems to agree.
Next, lots of Jews are themselves so leftist, they're in practice, anti-Israel. Its sickening, but true. To them, the religion is leftism, not Judaism, and Obama just supports the same leftist ideology that you can find within Israel's extreme left (ie we're oppressors and occupiers, if only we tried to play nice with the Palestinians, they'd leave us alone, etc)
After the most recent Intifada, that strain of Israeli politics was heavily marginalized, but 7000 miles away in the USA it lives on in liberal fantasy land.
Posted by: looking closely at September 26, 2011 03:39 PM (gFHcn)
Posted by: Jordan at September 26, 2011 07:35 PM (XJYf4)
Whoa. You're forgetting Miami, Broward, and Dade counties in Florida. Usually Dim strongholds. They can certainly impact what happens in Florida.
Posted by: joejm65 at September 26, 2011 03:39 PM (UZuc4)
Posted by: the rest of the world at September 26, 2011 03:40 PM (k1rwm)
I distinctly heard him say "Jew".
Posted by: Woody Allen at September 26, 2011 03:41 PM (jU1UG)
Posted by: the rest of the world at September 26, 2011 03:42 PM (k1rwm)
Posted by: The Great Satan's Ghost at September 26, 2011 03:42 PM (08Pe8)
Um...no. Not unless you're an evangelical. Catholics and mainline protestants (e.g. Lutherans, Episcopalianss, Presbyterians, etc.) don't believe a whit of that trumped-up Left Behind "rapture" junk.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 26, 2011 03:42 PM (D9z3D)
Most people around here in my neck of the Bible Belt are too busy having babies, raising them and trying to survive. ....Not something you'd be doing if you were cheering on the end times of the apocalypse.
I'm talking about church and Christian schools, not in the grocery store. It isn't something they're necessarily "cheering-on", either. Again, it depends on your view of the millennium.
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 26, 2011 03:42 PM (o2lIv)
Yeah. Because that's so rare here at the HQ.
Posted by: anon at September 26, 2011 03:43 PM (UbPic)
Posted by: Jean at September 26, 2011 03:43 PM (RURIy)
reincarnation =/= resurrection
Now drop and give me thirty Hail Mary's.
Posted by: Methos, comedic Lutheran at September 26, 2011 03:44 PM (sOXQX)
Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at September 26, 2011 03:44 PM (uoloY)
US should worry about US, and not about anyone else. I say leave israel to its own devices.
Posted by: proudonkey at September 26, 2011 03:44 PM (NadeK)
Most "Christians" aren't really Christian.
Posted by: Spiker at September 26, 2011 07:39 PM (4t9J5)
That's intersesting.
Back it up.
Posted by: ErikW at September 26, 2011 03:45 PM (Se8cc)
--Perhaps our resident Members of the Tribe™ can clarify, but I wonder to what extent these views are the result of creeping secularism among American Jews. If they were more secure in their beliefs and position in history, why would they give a shit what a fringe movement among Christians believe about the role of modern Israel?
Posted by: logprof at September 26, 2011 03:45 PM (QaKuj)
Posted by: nevergiveup at September 26, 2011 03:46 PM (i6RpT)
Oh, so that explains why this site and so many others are filled with posts about the need to stand by Taiwan.
Posted by: Chuckit at September 26, 2011 03:46 PM (l+HrT)
US should worry about US, and not about anyone else. I say leave israel to its own devices.
Posted by: proudonkey at September 26, 2011 07:44 PM (NadeK)
amazing.
Posted by: willow at September 26, 2011 03:47 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: Dr Spank at September 26, 2011 03:47 PM (Sh42X)
If he does believe in the Apocalypse, then he's not very Jewish.
The sure sign of bad thinking is when it doesn't make a lick of sense, even if you accept all the premises.
Posted by: Oldcat at September 26, 2011 06:18 PM (z1N6a)
THIS. Ace, ask your friend if he himself worries that the existence of Israel will hurry the Apocalypse. If he believes that, he should oppose the existence of Israel (but then, like Oldcat says, why is he putting stock in Christian revelation?). And if he doesn't believe it, then why not accept the support of the people who do, knowing as he does that they're hoping for the impossible?
Posted by: stuiec at September 26, 2011 03:47 PM (Di3Im)
Posted by: tasker at September 26, 2011 03:48 PM (rJVPU)
Posted by: Jordan at September 26, 2011 03:48 PM (XJYf4)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 26, 2011 03:48 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: proudonkey at September 26, 2011 07:44 PM (NadeK)
Shouldn't you be servicing some anonymous trucker through a hole in the partition at your local Rest Stop?
Posted by: garrett at September 26, 2011 03:48 PM (YLhwq)
Posted by: steevy at September 26, 2011 03:48 PM (fyOgS)
Posted by: nevergiveup at September 26, 2011 03:48 PM (i6RpT)
US should worry about US, and not about anyone else. I say leave israel to its own devices.
Posted by: proudonkey at September 26, 2011 07:44 PM (NadeK)
From this attitude I can see why you don't have any friends. Selfish SOB.
Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at September 26, 2011 03:48 PM (uoloY)
Posted by: logprof at September 26, 2011 03:48 PM (QaKuj)
Why are Christian Evangelicals supporters of Jewish Americans? There's denunciation of anti-semitism and no Evangelical leaders are denouncing "Jewish Hollywood" or "Jewish Wall Street"?
If they're only interested in Israel, why the support for the rights and liberties of American Jews?
This is goofy.
Posted by: WhatTheHell? at September 26, 2011 03:48 PM (FgZDd)
Posted by: buzzion at September 26, 2011 03:49 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: Chuckit at September 26, 2011 07:46 PM (l+HrT)
We never see people agitating for the United States to abandon Taiwan, or rant with hate-filled invective in support of anti-Taiwanese libels.
Posted by: DKCZ at September 26, 2011 03:49 PM (gjsMD)
US Americans should worry about Americans US, and not about anyone else. I say leave israel urban liberals to its own devices.
FIFY, dum dum.
Posted by: Methos at September 26, 2011 03:49 PM (sOXQX)
Posted by: snowcrash at September 26, 2011 07:46 PM (w3YD7)
Uhh. Ok.
Posted by: ErikW at September 26, 2011 03:49 PM (Se8cc)
Posted by: the rest of the world at September 26, 2011 03:49 PM (k1rwm)
when we can't even afford to pay for our own country, let's not go throwing money at another country. you don't need to go to school to get that concept.
Posted by: proudonkey at September 26, 2011 03:50 PM (NadeK)
Posted by: lan sing at September 26, 2011 03:50 PM (YHrQZ)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 26, 2011 03:50 PM (eOXTH)
Those guidelines don't apply to the vast majority of conservative Jews, so of course they aren't going to apply to Democrat Jews.
Frum or not, you need to get out more.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at September 26, 2011 03:51 PM (LH6ir)
--Perhaps our resident Members of the Tribe™ can clarify, but I wonder to what extent these views are the result of creeping secularism among American Jews. If they were more secure in their beliefs and position in history, why would they give a shit what a fringe movement among Christians believe about the role of modern Israel?
Posted by: logprof at September 26, 2011 07:45 PM (QaKuj)
It's just an excuse, and like I said early on not a good one. If it were so, why not accept the help, since Judgement day will never come?
If you puncture this one, he will just have to manufacture another one. You might as well just call him lost to reason.
Posted by: Oldcat at September 26, 2011 03:51 PM (z1N6a)
Posted by: nevergiveup at September 26, 2011 03:51 PM (i6RpT)
But they at this point are not being told NOW they are going to be wiped off the map as Israel is.
Posted by: willow at September 26, 2011 03:51 PM (h+qn8)
Wait. What?
Posted by: As If! at September 26, 2011 07:22 PM (piMMO)
Actually, very few do. It's an interpretation of Revelation that arose among some groups in America in the 19th century.
Posted by: CoolCzech
The book of Revelation doesn't mention the rapture. But the following books do talk about the rapture: Matthew 24:30-36, Matthew 24:40-41, John 14:1-3, Acts 1:9-11, 1 Corinthians 15:51-52, 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17, Philippians 3:20-21, 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12.
Posted by: Dang at September 26, 2011 03:51 PM (TXKVh)
Posted by: Spiker at September 26, 2011 03:51 PM (4t9J5)
Posted by: sandy burger at September 26, 2011 03:52 PM (ErTq7)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 26, 2011 03:52 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: Fritz, realizing words have meaning. at September 26, 2011 03:52 PM (FabC8)
Posted by: Adolf Hitler at September 26, 2011 03:53 PM (z/Mo8)
The book of Revelation doesn't mention the rapture. But the following books do talk about the rapture: Matthew 24:30-36, Matthew 24:40-41, John 14:1-3, Acts 1:9-11, 1 Corinthians 15:51-52, 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17, Philippians 3:20-21, 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12.
Posted by: Dang at September 26, 2011 07:51 PM (TXKVh)
The second coming and rapture are not the same thing.
Posted by: Oldcat at September 26, 2011 03:53 PM (z1N6a)
I think we should be neutral towards israel, since our support, even nonfinancial, gets us a lot of grief with muslims, that frankly incurs a heavy cost.
Posted by: proudonkey at September 26, 2011 03:53 PM (NadeK)
Catechism Of The Catholic Church (pg. 293)
Posted by: Spiker at September 26, 2011 07:51 PM (4t9J5)
The second coming and Rapture are not the same thing
Posted by: Oldcat at September 26, 2011 03:54 PM (z1N6a)
Posted by: Spiker at September 26, 2011 03:54 PM (4t9J5)
Posted by: nevergiveup at September 26, 2011 07:48 PM (i6RpT)
--Yeah, as in what is the source? Secularism? I think it goes back to the Norman Podheretz thesis that for all liberals (regardless of stated religion), liberalism itself is their primary faith.
Posted by: logprof at September 26, 2011 03:54 PM (QaKuj)
Posted by: steevy at September 26, 2011 03:54 PM (fyOgS)
Posted by: proudonkey at September 26, 2011 07:44 PM
Hey dum-dum, isn't the whole creed of your fellow lefties all about worrying about others even if they don't want or need your concern?
If I see you getting beaten up on a street corner, I guess I should worry about the minutes left on my phone and leave you to fend for yourself.
Posted by: kbdabear at September 26, 2011 03:54 PM (Y+DPZ)
Posted by: lan sing at September 26, 2011 03:55 PM (YHrQZ)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 26, 2011 03:55 PM (eOXTH)
I'm not a lefty. I hold both conservative and liberal beliefs, I think for myself....and dont let any one party dictate my thoughts.
Posted by: proudonkey at September 26, 2011 03:56 PM (NadeK)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 26, 2011 03:56 PM (niZvt)
thanks for standing up for anything
hey donk, what about Beslan, indonesia , london, spain?
you bend for terrorists do you?
think it is Israel?
Israel is an excuse for them. but yeah they'll do it if possible.
Posted by: willow at September 26, 2011 03:56 PM (h+qn8)
Go fuck yourself, you miserable cocksucker.
Posted by: Waterhouse at September 26, 2011 03:56 PM (kVCEb)
The second coming and Rapture are not the same thing
Posted by: Oldcat at September 26, 2011 07:54 PM (z1N6a)
One is right after the other. Ask any of the women I've had sex with.
Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at September 26, 2011 03:57 PM (uoloY)
Posted by: Your Helpful Friends In The Media at September 26, 2011 03:57 PM (Z/jcb)
Hey dum-dum, isn't the whole creed of your fellow lefties all about worrying about others even if they don't want or need your concern?
If I see you getting beaten up on a street corner, I guess I should worry about the minutes left on my phone and leave you to fend for yourself.
Posted by: kbdabear at September 26, 2011 07:54 PM (Y+DPZ)
Yeah but we all know where most of your beliefs come from. Afterall, not many conservatives think miscarriage jokes are funny. Stupid liberal stain.
Posted by: buzzion at September 26, 2011 03:57 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: steevy at September 26, 2011 03:57 PM (fyOgS)
Posted by: buzzion at September 26, 2011 03:58 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: nevergiveup at September 26, 2011 03:58 PM (i6RpT)
I don't know about that, CoolCzech. It seems like if you tied that scripture to the bit in Acts (1:11) indicating the manner of Christ's return being the same as his departure, it's pretty easy to get to where Evangelicals are.
Posted by: Methos at September 26, 2011 03:58 PM (sOXQX)
One is right after the other. Ask any of the women I've had sex with.
Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at September 26, 2011 07:57 PM (uoloY)
I said Rapture not "rupture"
Posted by: Oldcat at September 26, 2011 03:58 PM (z1N6a)
There is no historic (ancient, medieval, Renaissance) art anywhere that depicts a Left Behind theology. Again, it's an interpretation that originated in 19th century America and never gained acceptance by the wider church.
Either that or it's discussing the resurrection of the saints, which is a historic view.
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 26, 2011 03:58 PM (o2lIv)
Posted by: Nostradamus at September 26, 2011 03:59 PM (Zi+FQ)
You said it, brother.
I mean, what is the Sudetenland to me, anyhow?
Posted by: Neville Chamberlain at September 26, 2011 03:59 PM (ErTq7)
Posted by: Methos at September 26, 2011 07:58 PM (sOXQX)
Nope, because the sorting process puts everyone either into heaven or hell.
Nobody is "left behind"
Posted by: Oldcat at September 26, 2011 03:59 PM (z1N6a)
Posted by: proudonkey at September 26, 2011 07:53 PM (NadeK)
So our foreign policy should be 'don't make the barbarians unhappy, no matter what'? Chickenshit...
Posted by: joejm65 at September 26, 2011 04:00 PM (UZuc4)
I think we should be neutral towards israel, since our support, even nonfinancial, gets us a lot of grief with muslims, that frankly incurs a heavy cost.
So you will abandon a friend because someone else doesn't like them.
How cowardly.
Posted by: lan sing at September 26, 2011 04:01 PM (YHrQZ)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at September 26, 2011 04:01 PM (AZGON)
I think we should be neutral towards israel, since our support, even nonfinancial, gets us a lot of grief with muslims, that frankly incurs a heavy cost.
Posted by: proudonkey at September 26, 2011 07:53 PM (NadeK)
Yes, because it would be better to be a pussy towards Muslims rather than be a man in general.
Posted by: ErikW at September 26, 2011 04:01 PM (Se8cc)
when we can't even afford to pay for our own country, let's not go throwing money at another country. you don't need to go to school to get that concept.
Posted by: proudonkey at September 26, 2011 07:50 PM (NadeK)
--Considering a substantial chunk of that aid comes right back to us (*COUGH* stimulus *COUGH*) buying military hardware to defend against the Koranimals, I won;t lose sleep over that paltry $6 billion.
Posted by: logprof at September 26, 2011 04:01 PM (QaKuj)
Posted by: nevergiveup at September 26, 2011 04:02 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: beanervt at September 26, 2011 04:03 PM (/q1ap)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at September 26, 2011 04:03 PM (AZGON)
it's about $$$
we don't have it. simple as that.
If I'm broke, I'm not borrowing more money from the bank to give to a 'friend', even if that makes me a 'coward'.
Posted by: proudonkey at September 26, 2011 04:03 PM (NadeK)
it's about $$$
we don't have it. simple as that.
If I'm broke, I'm not borrowing more money from the bank to give to a 'friend', even if that makes me a 'coward'.
Posted by: proudonkey at September 26, 2011 08:03 PM (NadeK)
Funny how this logic never makes it to domestic economic policy, Dem.
Posted by: Oldcat at September 26, 2011 04:04 PM (z1N6a)
"If you don't vote the right way, the "marauding bands" that we're going to send to "seize everything at the factories" can come visit your houses as well."
I promise I'll give them a warm welcome.
You might even say "hot".
Posted by: gebrauchshund at September 26, 2011 04:04 PM (iYwUw)
A trillion dollar war, a trillion dollar tax cut (hint: revenue loss), and a entitlement prescription plan to elderly that isn't paid for.
Posted by: proudonkey at September 26, 2011 04:04 PM (NadeK)
I stand corrected on that half a verse comment above. I guess I only usually remember the half a verse (the matt 24 men in the field-and incorrectly as being from Revelation)
Posted by: Methos at September 26, 2011 04:05 PM (sOXQX)
Posted by: nevergiveup at September 26, 2011 04:05 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at September 26, 2011 04:05 PM (uoloY)
I love how you guys are treating this as being a coward or not.
it's about $$$
You haven't been to the same Sunday School I went to.
"I will bless them that bless thee, and I will curse them that curse thee."
Posted by: fluffy at September 26, 2011 04:06 PM (O6q63)
Posted by: proudonkey at September 26, 2011 07:53 PM
We're neutral towards Michael Vick since blocking for him could get us injured.
Posted by: Philadelphia Eagles O-Line at September 26, 2011 04:06 PM (Y+DPZ)
Yet again, in proudonkey's world, Obama is responsible for nothing.
What a President!
Posted by: Waterhouse at September 26, 2011 04:06 PM (kVCEb)
The Left Behind books aren't considered by anyone I know to be based accurately upon scripture, and I'm one of those hokey Southern protestant types.
Posted by: As If! at September 26, 2011 04:06 PM (piMMO)
Nope, you said:
our support, even nonfinancial, gets us a lot of grief with muslims, that frankly incurs a heavy cost.
You FUCKING LIAR.
Posted by: Waterhouse at September 26, 2011 04:07 PM (kVCEb)
386 I wonder how that came to pass...
A trillion dollar war, a trillion dollar tax cut (hint: revenue loss), and a entitlement prescription plan to elderly that isn't paid for
Plus, Wall Street robbed us!
Posted by: #occupywallstreet followmytwatter at September 26, 2011 04:07 PM (xXhWA)
Obama is responsible for not fixing George W. Bush's wrecking of the American economy.
Posted by: proudonkey at September 26, 2011 04:07 PM (NadeK)
Hey Ace,
Don't sweat the comments, most are blowing off steam.
Personally, I talk to my Jewish friends about this topic on a regular basis, I know two that voted for McCain due to dem policies re Israel.
It's more like the Bradley rule while wearing a yarmulke. They tell me many are saying one thing in company of jewish friends, quite another at home.
Keep posting your personal experiences, it's worth it.
Posted by: booter at September 26, 2011 04:08 PM (deujC)
Posted by: proudonkey at September 26, 2011 08:07 PM (NadeK)
Ah, so you will be voting GOP then?
Posted by: Oldcat at September 26, 2011 04:08 PM (z1N6a)
Posted by: melodicmetal at September 26, 2011 04:08 PM (9eTd5)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 26, 2011 04:08 PM (r4wIV)
Posted by: proudonkey at September 26, 2011 08:04 PM (NadeK)
I'd rather fight for a war in defense of my country than pay for your welfare credit card.
Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at September 26, 2011 04:09 PM (uoloY)
Posted by: As If! at September 26, 2011 08:06 PM (piMMO)
Yeah, its the theological equivalent of the four year old kid telling their parents "You will miss me when I run away from home!"
Posted by: Oldcat at September 26, 2011 04:09 PM (z1N6a)
So Obama didn't spend any money that you'd like to add to your "trillion dollar war" bullshit?
You partisan hack.
Posted by: Waterhouse at September 26, 2011 04:10 PM (kVCEb)
I might. I actually kinda like Perry. And I wouldn't mind Romney.
Posted by: proudonkey at September 26, 2011 04:10 PM (NadeK)
Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at September 26, 2011 08:05 PM (uoloY)
obligatory RACIST!!!111!!!
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 26, 2011 04:10 PM (UOM48)
Nobody is "left behind"
Posted by: Oldcat
Matthew 24:40-41
Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.
Posted by: Dang at September 26, 2011 04:10 PM (TXKVh)
Posted by: proudonkey at September 26, 2011 08:07 PM (NadeK)
and tripling down on the deficit?
Posted by: willow at September 26, 2011 04:10 PM (h+qn8)
Lock away all the children and pets.
It's gonna be a hootenanny!
Posted by: As If! at September 26, 2011 04:11 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: proudonkey at September 26, 2011 08:04 PM (NadeK)
With all that, Bush's last deficit with a Republican congress was $162 billion. Try again.
Posted by: joejm65 at September 26, 2011 04:12 PM (UZuc4)
Obama is responsible for not fixing George W. Bush's wrecking of the American economy.
Posted by: proudonkey at September 26, 2011 08:07 PM
Speaking of responsibility for fixing a wreck ....
Posted by: Guy who lent dum-dum a blowup doll at September 26, 2011 04:13 PM (Y+DPZ)
Nordstrom: Best customer service you'll ever pay for.
Posted by: As If! at September 26, 2011 04:13 PM (piMMO)
Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.
Posted by: Dang at September 26, 2011 08:10 PM (TXKVh)
The bible is just describing what happens when Barney Frank and Bill Clinton come to town.
Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at September 26, 2011 04:14 PM (uoloY)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 26, 2011 04:14 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: As If! at September 26, 2011 08:11 PM
How serendipitous that dum-dum came along for punching practice
Posted by: Guy who lent dum-dum a blowup doll at September 26, 2011 04:14 PM (Y+DPZ)
Gaze upon Obama, most powerful man in the world, yet totally unaccountable for anything which happens on his watch.
Posted by: Waterhouse at September 26, 2011 04:14 PM (kVCEb)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 26, 2011 04:15 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: Y-not at September 26, 2011 08:10 PM
With Cowboy cheerleaders or Redskins cheerleaders?
Posted by: kbdabear at September 26, 2011 04:16 PM (Y+DPZ)
Posted by: Sarah Jessica Parker's Gynecologist at September 26, 2011 04:17 PM (niZvt)
Nope, because the sorting process puts everyone either into heaven or hell.
Nobody is "left behind"The Matthew 24 cite does tend to suggest that. I think the actual question is the timespan involved, mainly whether or not the departure of the faithful is significantly earlier than the final judgement. I don't think it actually matters to any of the faithful, as we'll be out of the timestream for whatever the duration of the old Creation turns out to be (Paul talks at one point about 'away from the body at home with the Lord', but does that mean our spirits are in God's presence waiting for the judgment or are we fast forwarded to it?-that sort of thing).
Posted by: Methos at September 26, 2011 04:17 PM (sOXQX)
Posted by: nevergiveup at September 26, 2011 04:17 PM (i6RpT)
"Again, it's an interpretation that originated in 19th century America and never gained acceptance by the wider church."
Which does not necessarily make it wrong.
Posted by: gebrauchshund at September 26, 2011 04:18 PM (iYwUw)
Posted by: nevergiveup at September 26, 2011 04:19 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: Oldcat
Oh, and you're changing the subject by ignoring the verse.
Posted by: Dang at September 26, 2011 04:20 PM (TXKVh)
Posted by: Sarah Jessica Parker's gastroenterologist at September 26, 2011 04:20 PM (AZGON)
Posted by: Sarah Jessica Parker's Gynecologist at September 26, 2011 04:20 PM (niZvt)
I was looking for a Cowboy cheerleader since we had one from the Skins yesterday. Sadly, they seem to have a dearth of gingers. Here's a brunette. She looks sad. One of you should comfort her.
Posted by: Y-not at September 26, 2011 04:21 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Miikeb at September 26, 2011 04:21 PM (Eyj13)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at September 26, 2011 04:21 PM (AZGON)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 26, 2011 04:21 PM (niZvt)
With Hulu and Netflix, I cut back on my cable bill pretty significantly. I still get FNC, which was important, but I sacrificed ESPN. I added Redzone for $6 a month but that leaves me high and dry for Monday night.
Dangit.
Posted by: As If! at September 26, 2011 04:21 PM (piMMO)
"The Republicans just want the Jews in Israel to hurry the Apocalypse," he tells me.
Jewish people place a high value on identity. It's a big part of what holds them together as a community. So much of what they do is done simply because it's what Jewish people do, or at least what certain Jewish people do. Maybe this seeps into the non-religious aspects of your friend's life, and maybe he gives you this Apocalypse nonsense because he finds it harder to say "I'm a Jew, and Jews support Democrats."
I don't know. I don't know your friend, so I I have no idea what's going on inside his head. I'm not Jewish either, but I watch Jewish Life TV on cable simply because I get the channel. I'm just going on what Rabbi Golub said once on "Jew 101" though he didn't get into politics at all.
Posted by: FireHorse at September 26, 2011 04:22 PM (F5OMl)
I forgot it and had to repeat it three times in high school
Posted by: proud dum-dum at September 26, 2011 04:23 PM (Y+DPZ)
Posted by: Y-not at September 26, 2011 08:21 PM (5H6zj)
You should be in charge of choosing the cheerleader pics for the college football threads. You have a good eye for talent, and we probably wouldn't get stuck with the flat-chested tranny pics that have been polluting this blog since the start of the season. JMO.
Posted by: joejm65 at September 26, 2011 04:23 PM (UZuc4)
Posted by: SJP's High School Boyfriend at September 26, 2011 04:23 PM (niZvt)
What a President!
Posted by: Waterhouse at September 26, 2011 08:06 PM (kVCEb)
The same is true in Barry's world unless it's something good
Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 26, 2011 04:23 PM (1QQYT)
Posted by: nevergiveup at September 26, 2011 04:24 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 26, 2011 04:24 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: Y-not at September 26, 2011 04:25 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: lan sing at September 26, 2011 04:25 PM (YHrQZ)
I wonder if I'm a closet lesbian.
Posted by: Y-not at September 26, 2011 08:23 PM (5H6zj)
Only one way to find out...
Posted by: joejm65 at September 26, 2011 04:25 PM (UZuc4)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 26, 2011 04:26 PM (niZvt)
Instead of...
no, no, I can't do it.
Must. control. filthy. mind.
Posted by: Y-not at September 26, 2011 04:26 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Matthew Broderick at September 26, 2011 04:27 PM (QaKuj)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 26, 2011 04:27 PM (niZvt)
Okay. That was not nice. I owe her a nicer pic now.
Posted by: As If! at September 26, 2011 04:27 PM (piMMO)
But we love it!
Posted by: Manhattan ants at September 26, 2011 04:28 PM (5H6zj)
With Hulu and Netflix, I cut back on my cable bill pretty significantly. I still get FNC, which was important, but I sacrificed ESPN. I added Redzone for $6 a month but that leaves me high and dry for Monday night.
Dangit.
Posted by: As If! at September 26, 2011 08:21 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: buzzion at September 26, 2011 04:28 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: Spiker at September 26, 2011 04:28 PM (4t9J5)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 26, 2011 04:28 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: Oldcat
Oh, and you're changing the subject by ignoring the verse.
Posted by: Dang at September 26, 2011 08:20 PM (TXKVh)
Who is doing the snatching? If it is the Angels of the Lord at the second coming, it is irrelevant to the Rapture. Since your first quote referred to the second coming and not a rapture event, no reason this one is likely to be different.
But regardless, the Catholics teach nothing about Rapture, and have abandoned preparing for the end of the world since 1000 AD. When it comes, it comes. I assume most other mainline Protestant sects follow this lead. And most evangelical sects don't follow the popular Hal Lindsey books either with a "Nyah Nyah" rapture. They just think the actual Second Coming is happening.
Posted by: Oldcat at September 26, 2011 04:28 PM (z1N6a)
Posted by: Waterhouse at September 26, 2011 06:45 PM (kVCEb)
A girl I was dating then got hysterical when she found out I voted for Reagan. Didn't I know that all he wanted to do was blow up the world?
Me: Then why didn't he blow up in his first term?
Her: He wanted to get re-elected.
Me: If his number one goal is to blow up the world, why would he care about getting re-elected?
The response I got was a blank stare. The one thing about liberalism is there never has to be any logic behind their stupidity
Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 26, 2011 04:29 PM (1QQYT)
Posted by: As If! at September 26, 2011 08:27 PM
I remember that pic, I put it in my fap files
Posted by: kbdabear at September 26, 2011 04:29 PM (Y+DPZ)
If I had a dime for every time a theological discussion on this blog ended that way...
Posted by: Methos at September 26, 2011 04:30 PM (sOXQX)
Posted by: Obama, President-For-Life at September 26, 2011 04:30 PM (QgAFR)
Posted by: The Dog Who Knew Too Much AudioBook at September 26, 2011 04:30 PM (YrF3W)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 26, 2011 04:30 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: USS Diversity at September 26, 2011 04:30 PM (aD5Kx)
Posted by: FireHorse at September 26, 2011 08:22 PM (F5OMl)
This would be more honest than attacking millions of Christians off hand to make himself feel better.
Posted by: Oldcat at September 26, 2011 04:30 PM (z1N6a)
Too bad the 'Boys didn't have a dearth of ginger at the head coaching position.
Posted by: Dallas Fan --- Go D-Ware! at September 26, 2011 04:30 PM (TSJb0)
I showed him and went to Purdue instead!
Hey, maybe that's why he's down!
Posted by: Manhattan ants at September 26, 2011 04:31 PM (5H6zj)
Me: If his number one goal is to blow up the world, why would he care about getting re-elected?
The response I got was a blank stare. The one thing about liberalism is there never has to be any logic behind their stupidity
When talking to a nominal liberal chick, it's like Spock confusing the "Alice" androids in the ST TOS "I Mudd" episode
Posted by: kbdabear at September 26, 2011 04:31 PM (Y+DPZ)
Other than the ridiculous assertion that one of your best friends is jewish, he's using it as an excuse to paint republican evangelicals as nuts.
Like you said, it's better to go with those that wish you dead than the crazy ones..........reminds me of the beginning of the book Night where an escapee of a concentration camp sneaks back to tell them to run but they don't because they think he's crazy. Better to go with the people that hate them.
Posted by: dagny at September 26, 2011 04:31 PM (tt8y/)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 26, 2011 04:31 PM (niZvt)
The response I got was a blank stare. The one thing about liberalism is there never has to be any logic behind their stupidity
Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 26, 2011 08:29 PM (1QQYT)
Yeah, except for the comic value, following the reasoning chain is a waste of time.
Posted by: Oldcat at September 26, 2011 04:31 PM (z1N6a)
Posted by: Spiker at September 26, 2011 04:32 PM (4t9J5)
please, no 4 year-old attacks
Posted by: Breaker19 at September 26, 2011 04:33 PM (WCm02)
Posted by: blaster at September 26, 2011 04:33 PM (Fw2Gg)
Posted by: dagny at September 26, 2011 04:34 PM (tt8y/)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 26, 2011 04:34 PM (niZvt)
Monday Night Football kicking off. My fantasy fate rests on Redskin TE Fred Davis getting no more than 3.8 points (38 receiving yards).
Posted by: Lincolntf at September 26, 2011 04:34 PM (Qjh0I)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 26, 2011 08:30 PM
If the Hereafter doesn't have lots of all three, what's the point in going?
Posted by: kbdabear at September 26, 2011 04:34 PM (Y+DPZ)
Less concerned about who wins than I am about Santana Moss getting shut down.
Posted by: logprof at September 26, 2011 04:35 PM (QaKuj)
bad linky
Ok, why am I checking? I don't know!
Posted by: Y-not at September 26, 2011 08:33 PM (5H6zj)
The closet door fell open?
Posted by: buzzion at September 26, 2011 04:35 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: USS Diversity at September 26, 2011 04:35 PM (aD5Kx)
please, no 4 year-old attacks
Posted by: Breaker19 at September 26, 2011 08:33 PM (WCm02)
So who were they at war with before that?
Posted by: Oldcat at September 26, 2011 04:36 PM (z1N6a)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 26, 2011 04:36 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: God at September 26, 2011 04:36 PM (QgAFR)
It is very obvious if you would take time to read your bible.
"That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 40 Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.
42 “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. 43 But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. 44 So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him."
Posted by: Dang at September 26, 2011 04:36 PM (TXKVh)
Posted by: kbdabear at September 26, 2011 04:36 PM (Y+DPZ)
Posted by: Sarah Jessica Parker's personal chef at September 26, 2011 04:36 PM (AZGON)
I was soooooo afraid to click that link.
Posted by: As If! at September 26, 2011 04:37 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 26, 2011 04:37 PM (niZvt)
"Coming of the Son of Man" = Second Coming != Rapture.
Thanks for playing!
Posted by: Oldcat at September 26, 2011 04:38 PM (z1N6a)
Like watching SCOAMF vs Hillary
Whoa whoa whoa. Not even close.
Jerry Jones has 3 SB rings. Has a hugely successful football franchise. Has made tons of money over his lifetime inside and out of the NFL.
He is nothing like the SCoaMF (who's really accomplished nothing on his own merits) or Hillary (who... well has actually accomplished nothing on her own merits either).
Posted by: Dallas Fan --- Go D-Ware! at September 26, 2011 04:38 PM (TSJb0)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 26, 2011 04:38 PM (niZvt)
It works when I click on it.
Posted by: As If! at September 26, 2011 08:37 PM (piMMO
That's one of the problems with the sites that don't allow direct linking to their sites. The original linker can click on the link and will be able to see it. Everyone else will get the 403 Forbidden page or similar.
Posted by: buzzion at September 26, 2011 04:39 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 26, 2011 04:39 PM (niZvt)
"I wonder if I'm a closet lesbian."
My suggestion would be that you conduct some "experiments", which should be videotaped and submitted here for further analysis.
In depth analysis.
Posted by: gebrauchshund at September 26, 2011 04:39 PM (iYwUw)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at September 26, 2011 04:40 PM (AZGON)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 26, 2011 04:41 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: Spiker at September 26, 2011 04:41 PM (4t9J5)
Posted by: Dallas Fan --- Go D-Ware! at September 26, 2011 04:41 PM (TSJb0)
Well that stinks. There wasn't even a warning.
http://tinyurl.com/3pvyf5n
Posted by: As If! at September 26, 2011 04:41 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 26, 2011 08:30 PM
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If the Hereafter doesn't have lots of all three, what's the point in going?
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Reminds me of this. Skip to the 1 minute mark.
Posted by: Y-not at September 26, 2011 04:41 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at September 26, 2011 04:42 PM (AZGON)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at September 26, 2011 08:40 PM (AZGON)
no damn it I was hoping for a new thread.
Posted by: robtr at September 26, 2011 04:42 PM (MtwBb)
please, no 4 year-old attacks
If you continue read through vs. 51, you will see that it references the Second Coming, not the "Rapture". See also Rev. 16.
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 26, 2011 04:42 PM (o2lIv)
Posted by: Beefy Meatball at September 26, 2011 08:41 PM (bZ8J6)
Because its Hispanic Heritage Month: September 18- October 18 (yeah I know.)
Posted by: buzzion at September 26, 2011 04:42 PM (GULKT)
When do we get a WASP Heritage Month?
Posted by: As If! at September 26, 2011 04:43 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Waterhouse at September 26, 2011 04:43 PM (kVCEb)
Well that stinks. There wasn't even a warning.
http://tinyurl.com/3pvyf5n
Posted by: As If! at September 26, 2011 08:41 PM (piMMO)
That works, and that's very nice.
BTW did you see my link to a streaming video of the Monday Night game?
Posted by: buzzion at September 26, 2011 04:44 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 26, 2011 04:44 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: Barbarian The Boned at September 26, 2011 04:44 PM (EL+OC)
Posted by: Y-not at September 26, 2011 04:44 PM (5H6zj)
It worked fine for me.
Anyone have a cigarette?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at September 26, 2011 04:45 PM (LH6ir)
Posted by: av at September 26, 2011 04:46 PM (XgePz)
Posted by: Max Power at September 26, 2011 04:47 PM (q177U)
pielroja
Posted by: kbdabear at September 26, 2011 04:47 PM (Y+DPZ)
No! I'm going to look for it now.
Bless you!
Posted by: As If! at September 26, 2011 04:48 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Y-not at September 26, 2011 04:48 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 26, 2011 04:48 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: Captain Willard at September 26, 2011 04:48 PM (4t9J5)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 26, 2011 04:50 PM (niZvt)
I'm losing faith in you guys.
Posted by: As If! at September 26, 2011 04:50 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: nevergiveup at September 26, 2011 04:51 PM (i6RpT)
Fine. Send them over. And I will send them screaming from my house. They have no idea what a real American-Jewish conservative thinks.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at September 26, 2011 04:51 PM (LH6ir)
Posted by: An Endorsement I Would Like To See at September 26, 2011 04:52 PM (4t9J5)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at September 26, 2011 04:53 PM (AZGON)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at September 26, 2011 04:54 PM (AZGON)
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at September 26, 2011 04:54 PM (qvify)
Posted by: mpfs, TPT, Barbarian & Member of Secret Jooish Cabal which isn't so secret anymore at September 26, 2011 04:54 PM (3TjSM)
Posted by: av at September 26, 2011 04:55 PM (XgePz)
Dallas Cowgirl Cheerleaders
Posted by: kbdabear at September 26, 2011 08:52 PM (Y+DPZ)
This is why the muzzies hate us, and this is also why we're the best country in the world. And I hate the f*cking Cowboys...
Posted by: joejm65 at September 26, 2011 04:55 PM (UZuc4)
Posted by: nevergiveup at September 26, 2011 04:56 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at September 26, 2011 04:56 PM (c0A3e)
Posted by: av at September 26, 2011 04:56 PM (XgePz)
Amen!
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at September 26, 2011 04:56 PM (c0A3e)
Posted by: kbdabear at September 26, 2011 04:57 PM (Y+DPZ)
Thanks for playing!
Posted by: Oldcat
Wrong! Coming of the Son of Man = Rapture, followed by the second coming at the end of the Tribulation.
During the rapture the elect meet Christ in the air. Not on the earth. When Christ returns to earth (terra firma) he will descend to Mt Olive and begin the millennial Kingdom on earth. So, the first time he comes back to take the elect, the second time to establish His kingdom on earth. Easy. If you read your bible.
Posted by: Dang at September 26, 2011 04:57 PM (TXKVh)
My father was a good man and I don't want to test his theory either but it gave me strength to believe. It was the best gift he every gave me...faith.
Posted by: mpfs, TPT, Barbarian & Member of Secret Jooish Cabal which isn't so secret anymore at September 26, 2011 04:58 PM (3TjSM)
Posted by: Jean at September 26, 2011 04:58 PM (RURIy)
Posted by: Tushar at September 26, 2011 04:59 PM (6bGT8)
Posted by: nevergiveup at September 26, 2011 04:59 PM (i6RpT)
So wrong...
I have a hard time not laughing and nodding at this, though. Someone said it up there: their real religion is leftist ideology, not Judaism.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 26, 2011 05:00 PM (r4wIV)
does anyone know of an android app that I could use to watch TV on my phone?
Posted by: chemjeff at September 26, 2011 05:00 PM (s7mIC)
I hate every team in the NFC East. Too bad one of them makes the playoffs for winning the division
Posted by: kbdabear at September 26, 2011 05:01 PM (Y+DPZ)
Posted by: SurferDoc at September 26, 2011 05:01 PM (STdkO)
Official Sponsor of Rick Perry after 9pm.
In that Ailes interview, he said that Perry looks like someone who, when he says he's going to kick your ass, might mean it. He meant that as a compliment.
Posted by: As If! at September 26, 2011 05:01 PM (piMMO)
Look on the bright side: Every day is Moron Day.
Posted by: Breaker19 at September 26, 2011 05:02 PM (WCm02)
There are some good places to eat in the Old City, but he shouldn't get trapped in one of the tourist traps. Tell him to call me Posted by: nevergiveup
Psst. Tell him to not patronize the Mt. Olive Garden because of Moochlele. Solidarity and all.
Posted by: mpfs, TPT, Barbarian & Member of Secret Jooish Cabal which isn't so secret anymore at September 26, 2011 05:03 PM (3TjSM)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 26, 2011 05:03 PM (r4wIV)
I might. I actually kinda like Perry. And I wouldn't mind Romney.
You know, I might become a Muslim.
Posted by: The Pope at September 26, 2011 05:07 PM (CZEZ0)
@373: "So you will abandon a friend because someone else doesn't like them."
We respectfully disagree.
Posted by: 34 guys on the USS Liberty at September 26, 2011 05:34 PM (xy9wk)
Posted by: artemis at September 26, 2011 05:41 PM (EL9AK)
Posted by: Spiker at September 26, 2011 05:46 PM (4t9J5)
Don't be silly. Hasids in America like to suck on the government teat. They aren't stupid, but they aren't conservative either.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at September 26, 2011 06:06 PM (LH6ir)
Posted by: JewishOdysseus at September 26, 2011 06:17 PM (VbQ1q)
Posted by: JewishOdysseus at September 26, 2011 06:20 PM (VbQ1q)
Posted by: JewishOdysseus at September 26, 2011 06:25 PM (VbQ1q)
Posted by: av at September 26, 2011 06:30 PM (XgePz)
Posted by: SGT Dan at September 26, 2011 06:33 PM (jUeGo)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 26, 2011 08:15 PM (niZvt)
You're going to make me go to hell.
Posted by: baldilocks at September 26, 2011 06:48 PM (T2/zQ)
Posted by: rockmom at September 26, 2011 07:00 PM (lSyyU)
Posted by: Hmmmmm at September 26, 2011 07:26 PM (mQkZQ)
Posted by: Rex the Wonder God at September 26, 2011 07:29 PM (vahvH)
A heckler started screaming at Obama as he spoke at a fundraiser tonight. The man called Obama the antichrist as he was being dragged from the front row of the event.
Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at September 26, 2011 07:35 PM (e8kgV)
http://legalinsurrection.com/?p=7680
Posted by: Matthew Knee at September 26, 2011 07:53 PM (kHidJ)
I use that advisedly, as the Democratic party wants its Jewish voters to give up thinking like Jews and become "Gentile Heads." If they let the Dems do that to them, the will end up Goyishe kopf in more ways than one.
Posted by: Glen at September 26, 2011 08:06 PM (0NwXV)
Posted by: White RB at September 26, 2011 09:31 PM (LrLv1)
Posted by: White RB at September 27, 2011 01:31 AM (LrLv1)
Maybe we should ask why there's a troglodytic neanderthal who waits until posting has more or less ended on Jewish-related threads to make antisemitic comments.
Posted by: DKCZ at September 26, 2011 10:53 PM (gjsMD)
"Why did God create the goyim Dad"
"Someone has to pay retail."
(I denounce myself in advance. Must be drinking to much.)
Posted by: Have Blue at September 26, 2011 11:18 PM (IKTC8)
Posted by: Mens North Face Jackets at September 27, 2011 04:54 AM (inNZE)
"Later on you can explain to me how that's a comfort." Jayne Cobb
Posted by: iconoclast at September 27, 2011 07:28 AM (EMC2T)
Must admit that you are human being of the best bloggers I ever saw.
Posted by: Chuckit at September 28, 2011 06:57 AM (oMIaK)
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One of my best friends is Jewish.
Snark overload; can't think of anything.
Posted by: fluffy at September 26, 2011 02:15 PM (O6q63)