1 Hey!  I'm right here!!

2 First! Screw You!!

3 2 First! Screw You!!   Damn, second.

4 DRUDGE SIREN: Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure.

5 Nice try, Sub-Tard!

6 Forget the polls.  We're a stupid state.  Isn't that right, Senator Reid?

7 So Perry correctly calls SS a ponzi scheme. What is his plan besides continuing to defend why he was correct in calling it a Ponzi scheme?

8 The Democrat GOTV strategy has been discovered in Sacramento: "(today 6:12AM) SACRAMENTO (CBS13) – A big rig loaded with 35,000 pounds of beer has flipped on its side and is leaking."

9 Hey, my tag reads as it does for a reason.

So long as we're remembering to include that 'acts like a f'n conservative while in office' part, yeah, appeal and candidate quality.  Problem was, we forgot why we were what we were...and that's how we got where we are.

Guess we can't be lazy like that any more.  God, I hate politics.

10 What is funny about that NV election is the Dems were crowing because they had one of those "news" polls saying they would win.

After the early voting the Republican was in a big lead.

11

"(today 6:12AM) SACRAMENTO (CBS13) – A big rig loaded with 35,000 pounds of beer has flipped on its side and is leaking."

 

 

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

12 O/T:  Oh, FRAK.  Here we go...

13

More on Solyndra and Tesla Motors scandals that may be bigger than Watergate.  Listen to the audio.  Very compelling.  Via Big Government. 

That smellÂ…  yepÂ… toast.

14 Sorry to rub that in. But I'm going to continue my crusade, insisting that Candidate Quality and Crossover Appeal matters quite a bit in elections, until it's accepted, and not pooh-poohed in favor of "ideology and cultural affinity with the conservative base are the only things that matter" model.

What NEEDS to happen is that needs to change.  Sticking people in positions just because they may be more electable (because they're squishy, usually) is just a shitty situation all around.

15 But I'm going to continue my crusade, insisting that Candidate Quality and Crossover Appeal matters quite a bit in elections, until it's accepted, and not pooh-poohed in favor of "ideology and cultural affinity with the conservative base are the only things that matter" model.

Candidate Quality yes, Crossover Appeal not so much.

What matters most of all is that we not have candidates that are bugfuck crazy. Lunatics don't get us any closer to what we want than RINOs do, and there are choices that are "None of the above"

Sharron Angle and Christine O'Donnell are crazy.  It's almost enough to make one think that some Dem operative put the bug in their ears to run for office to make ALL Republicans look nuts.

16 13 O/T:  Oh, FRAK.  Here we go...
        Lookin' like a fool wit your boots on da ground . . .

17

If Obama is dragging down every candidate, including those in heavily democratic districts, I wonder what will happen when Obama himself is on the ballot

18

What matters most of all is that we not have candidates that are bugfuck crazy.

 

Ahem.

19 The first thing I was taught in the business real world was not to present a problem to your boss without including your own recommendation on how to solve it. Politics thrive on pointing out problems and firing up the base without ever offering a solution.

20 Who cares if Angle would have lost.  She's a True Conservative completely vetted and endorsed by ME. You're a RINO, ace.  That's right!  I said it!!

21 >>>Politics thrive on pointing out problems and firing up the base without ever offering a solution. Right, what's Romney's plan? Last I heard he wanted a payroll tax cut that would further imbalance revenue and outlays.

22 Wrong freaking post. Stupid iPhone.

23 The first thing I was taught in the business real world was not to present a problem to your boss without including your own recommendation on how to solve it. Politics thrive on pointing out problems and firing up the base without ever offering a solution.

Posted by: polynikes Texan for Romney at September 12, 2011 01:11 PM (PCEZn)

And Romney has recommended what, exactly?  I  mean, besides the fact that we should overlook his whole socialized medicine thing that was the basis of the current situation we have ourselves in with Commander Clusterfu*k that he wholeheartedly embraces........

24 I don't really understand why the base is turning against Da Zero. He ran a campaign that wouldn't have fooled an elementary school child. All gas and promises nobody could keep. He hung out with some of the most anti-American imbeciles in recorded history, he has no track record of success at anything other than running his mouth. No leadership creds. No business creds. No nadagoddamthing. And now he has produced Nottagoddamthig as policy. Hope and Change! Yes we can! Fuck me running, this country is populated by MTV idiots.

25

CAC has a theory about PPP. His theory is that they do all sorts of skewed polls to hearten Democrats, and claim they're ahead or at least close, except in the final poll, the one that counts, the one that goes into their W-L records when they pimp their accuracy to new clients. Then they get a little more... rigorous.

 

In my opinion, this is not unique to PPP.  Most of the entertainment-pollsters do this.

26 Excuse me, but Romney is our chosen GOP candidate, so sit back and STFU wingnuts.

27

Fuck me running, this country is populated by MTV idiots.

 

 

You're out of your mind!

28 MFM, romney is only your fall back candidate if you can't get Huntsman over the finish line.

29 City people need to be eliminated.

30 25 I don't really understand why the base is turning against Da Zero. He ran a campaign that wouldn't have fooled an elementary school child. All gas and promises nobody could keep. He hung out with some of the most anti-American imbeciles in recorded history, he has no track record of success at anything other than running his mouth. No leadership creds. No business creds. No nadagoddamthing. And now he has produced Nottagoddamthig as policy. Hope and Change! Yes we can! Fuck me running, this country is populated by MTV idiots.     Have you ever considered that leftards used Obama to demonstrate to blacks that, well, blacks aren't really up to all this mental, economic, management stuff? So maybe from here on out they should STFU and vote for the party's lilly white Ivy Leaguer? Jeebus.  

31

[until it's accepted, and not pooh-poohed]

That's a little raw, don't you think?

P**h-p**hed. That's better, tone it down a bit. 

32 ace. on a crusade? 

33 by Jove, ace is right again  !!

now, Jack, about those recall codes........

34     Have you ever considered that leftards used Obama to demonstrate to blacks that, well, blacks aren't really up to all this mental, economic, management stuff? So maybe from here on out they should STFU and vote for the party's lilly white Ivy Leaguer? Jeebus.  

Posted by: Sub-Tard at September 12, 2011 01:18 PM (0M3AQ)

Nope. I just think they are idiots. Occam's razor, and I hope they fall on it.

35 Romney presented a detailed 59 point economic plan. You can disagree with it but the fact is he did present a plan.

36 It's a much worse thing when your base does turn out... but votes against you.

Boehner? 

37 Whay makes the Sharron Angle thing so frustrating is that both Sue Lowden and Danny Tarkanian were plenty effing conservative.  Every time I see Harry Reid on TV that whole thing pisses me off.

38 Romney's real plan: Get elected and promptly sell us down the river, and fuckyouverymuch.

39 pooh-poohed

Hey!  Wait a minute.

40 Another DIY for the AoSHQ Lifestyle...how to make your own sex tapes.

41 TPaw endorses Romney!!! Victory is near. RINOs to the rescue.

42

>>>And Romney has recommended what, exactly?

This is a joke, right? Did his 59-frikkin'-point plan miss your RSS feed?

C'mon, guys really. You talk about Romney like a dog, I won't bother to defend him because I don't really like him either. But the errors and omissions around here are getting left-oid in their silliness and perpetutation.

43 But I'm going to continue my crusade, insisting that Candidate Quality and Crossover Appeal matters quite a bit in elections, until it's accepted, and not pooh-poohed in favor of "ideology and cultural affinity with the conservative base are the only things that matter" model. So, it's Romney then?

44 But I'm going to continue my crusade, insisting that Candidate Quality and Crossover Appeal matters quite a bit in elections, until it's accepted, and not pooh-poohed in favor of "ideology and cultural affinity with the conservative base are the only things that matter" model. Yeah, would you guys stop it with this Rubio stuff and just support Crist? It's a LOCK I tell you!

45 Sorry to rub that in. But I'm going to continue my crusade, insisting that Candidate Quality and Crossover Appeal matters quite a bit in elections, until it's accepted, and not pooh-poohed in favor of "ideology and cultural affinity with the conservative base are the only things that matter" model.

Sorry, Charlie, I think you need to find another blog.  Oh, wait...

46 blaster #45:

I don't think so, since Romney doesn't have any ideological or cultural affinity with the conservative base.

He's from frikkin' NEW ENGLAND.  We don't elect conservatives up here.

47 "I'm going to continue my crusade, insisting that Candidate Quality and Crossover Appeal matters quite a bit in elections"


Great, then let's just run Huntsman, because his crossover appeal reaches all the way to Michael Moore.

Politics IS ideology for fuck's sake.

48 But I'm going to continue my crusade, insisting that Candidate Quality and Crossover Appeal matters quite a bit in elections, until it's accepted, and not pooh-poohed in favor of "ideology and cultural affinity with the conservative base are the only things that matter" model. Only McCain can poll the moderate vote!

49 Libs here in NY are spinning that the Dem GOTV effort could sway the election. What their either ignore or don't understand is that a GOTV effort only works when you have solid support amongst your own kind. One would assume that if you convince a registered voter of your own party to go to the polls, it'll give your party's nominee one additional vote. Not this time. The Dems could spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to GOTV and end up giving Bob Turner even more votes. Hysterically, their best bet might be to NOT have any GOTV effort at all.

50 Only McCain can poll the moderate vote! Posted by: blaster at September 12, 2011 01:28 PM

The only man who can beat Hillary!

51 Do we use the Black Flag for this Ace Crusade?  Can we order one?  Can I hand these out in Bible meetings?

52 But I'm going to continue my crusade, insisting that Candidate Quality and Crossover Appeal matters quite a bit in elections, until it's accepted, and not pooh-poohed in favor of "ideology and cultural affinity with the conservative base are the only things that matter" model.

I have nothing to add, I'm just going to continue the trend of quoting this and posting a comment.

53 But I'm going to continue my crusade, insisting that Candidate Quality and Crossover Appeal matters

Yea, but whaddabout the hair?

54 Nevada CD-2 is pretty much all of the state except for a few small parts Clark County, therefore, the cities of Reno, Sparks and Carson City are all within CD-2. I'm a precinct captain in NW Reno, and have walked several precincts in the GOTV effort for Amodei. BTW, Angle isn't a loon, and she was a tireless campaigner, but she had too many enemies in the Republican establishment (the Republican mayors of Reno and Sparks both came out against her, probably because of Reid's power in the Senate,) and her mostly volunteer campaign couldn't counter Reid's massive, paid GOTV operation.

55 Perry looks like a president.  Mitt looks like the husband of the woman you're having the affair with.  Perry'll be fine.

56 Too bad that humongous turd Harry Reid isn't on the ballot.

57

 makes you wonder what would have happened to Harry Reid with a serviceable opponent.

That sounds so dirty

58 53 Only McCain can poll the moderate vote! Posted by: blaster at September 12, 2011 01:28 PM

The only man who can beat Hillary!

Yea, I tried but she got me with a kick to the 'nads

59 I am going to continue my crusade for a girl that is not pure. One that sleeps with my friends and my enemies.  In front of me.  And she makes me pay for her dates.  I will date a girl unless everyone likes her.

60 >>>Yeah, would you guys stop it with this Rubio stuff and just support Crist? It's a LOCK I tell you! Funny that I was an early support of Rubio, determining he was a Quality Candidate with Crossover Appeal. It's funny that the people continue to insist we must be stupid and make no distinctions between people who can express conservative thoughts in ways that will persuade the middle (and thus advance the cause) and idiots who convince the middle that the right is crazy and dumb.

61 So can I threadjack now with Teh SARAH or wait a while longer?

62 BTW, a lot of people in Reno & Sparks liked Angle, which is one of the reasons she won the primary, but she was a loser in the General, and has been so demonized that she's no longer capable of winning in even Northern NV.

63 "Nevada 2 is the most Republican district in the state, because it excludes the cities." Wut? Nevada 2 is Washoe county, which includes Reno, the Biggest Little City in the world, I might add. While it is generally conservative, I believe it did go Reid in the last senate race, but Sandoval for governor.

64 58 Perry looks like a president.  Mitt looks like the husband of the woman you're having the affair with.  Perry'll be fine.

How did you know? How did you know!

65 What NEEDS to happen is that needs to change.  Sticking people in positions just because they may be more electable (because they're squishy, usually) is just a shitty situation all around.

Posted by: © Sponge at September 12, 2011 01:08 PM (UK9cE)

 

Agree.  I will defend my conservative core values and vote for the person who comes as close to that as possible.  This winning at any cost got us the likes of Miss Lindsey, McCain, and Mike Castle.  If Christine O'Donnell, Sharon Angle, etc. did anything, they helped expose the RINO/beltway-elitist mentality in the repub party.  There are definitely more people able to distinguish that now than before 2010.

66 Reno_Dave, thanks, I have included that correction.

67 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

68 dunno, nevada -harry reid- union
and managing the ballots

69 58 I have a strong suspicion that the loser of the Perry/Romney race will be the winner's running mate in 2012, much like 1980. The two compliment one another. Forget ego, the VP is a stepping stone to the Big Show.

70 "I don't really know anything about Angle.  What don't the voters like about her out there?"

Nothing. There's a reason she won the primary. Her biggest problem is that she was never the Nevada Gaming Commissioner - as Reid was - and Reid called in every last political favor that was ever owed to him. The Leftist political machine cranked into overdrive out here, and those idiots who think Sue Lowden or Danny Tarkanian would have won don't know Nevada politics. They would have also been beaten, thanks in no small part to "Republicans for Reid". Huge names in the gaming industry were strong-armed into endorsing Reid, and many of them bussed their employees to the polls. The election was everything short of being outright fixed.

71 Politics IS ideology for fuck's sake.
Posted by: Sgt. York

No, that's obtuse. You don't elected philosophers. You don't elect intellectuals. You elect politicians who have to raise money and craft platforms that will resonate with the voters at any given time.

72 Funny that I was an early support of Rubio, determining he was a Quality Candidate with Crossover Appeal. Ace that is not how I recall it, seems to me that you thought Rubio was unelectable until he was electable.

73 But I'm going to continue my crusade, insisting that Candidate Quality and Crossover Appeal matters quite a bit in elections, until it's accepted, and not pooh-poohed in favor of "ideology and cultural affinity with the conservative base are the only things that matter" model.


After many repetitions it starts to seem unexpected.

74 The Tea Party had to rush and find candidates last time.  They made a couple of mistakes last time.  They threw a couple of hanging curveballs for home runs, but won the game.

The Tea Party bullpen is deeper now.

75 Attention, all States of the United Republic: We have assumed control
Attention, all States of the United Republic: We have assumed control
We have assumed control
We have assumed control

76
I think we're all in favor of crossover appeal.

What I hate is appealing to crossover, if you get my drift.

In other words, don't be chummy with the other side for electability.

77 "BTW, Angle isn't a loon, and she was a tireless campaigner, but she had too many enemies in the Republican establishment (the Republican mayors of Reno and Sparks both came out against her, probably because of Reid's power in the Senate,) and her mostly volunteer campaign couldn't counter Reid's massive, paid GOTV operation."


What he said. Though it's just as much of Reid having been Nevada Gaming Commissioner as it is his place in the Senate. Angle ran the kind of campaign you would run if you were running for a state position, and practically stayed out of Vegas all together (which was a mistake).

/lives in Storey County

78 To #29... Sir this is classified. Please desist in it use...Thank You.

79

Perry better have good answers ready for SS tonight.

Also, I know it's a joint CNN/Tea Party debate, who are the moderators? Is it John UHHHH King again. Is it going to be the same gay quiz show format or are they actually going to have good questions and good moderators?

80 Weprin is Yiddish for Coakley

81 "Politics IS ideology for fuck's sake.
Posted by: Sgt. York

No, that's obtuse. You don't elected philosophers. You don't elect intellectuals. You elect politicians who have to raise money and craft platforms that will resonate with the voters at any given time."

Like I said, Ideology.

Ideology is NOT philosophy, Sparky.... THAT'S the definition of obtuse.

People vote for those candidates who best represent their viewpoints and will draft legislation based on those viewpoints...ideology.

82

Also, I know it's a joint CNN/Tea Party debate, who are the moderators? Is it John UHHHH King again. Is it going to be the same gay quiz show format or are they actually going to have good questions and good moderators?

Hope springs eternal in the human breast - Lucy Van Pelt

83 It's funny that the people continue to insist we must be stupid and make no distinctions between people who can express conservative thoughts in ways that will persuade the middle (and thus advance the cause) and idiots who convince the middle that the right is crazy and dumb.

Pardon me. I've been stung by the smooth talkers giving me the wink, wink, during campaign, then giving me the silent treatment thereafter. This candidate crisis which cost us elections was caused by the Republican establishment. If you want to bitch about a bunch of disorganized armatures nominating rubes that lose elections, be prepared to listen to my bitch about Republican operators who do more than their share to push this train to Socialism Central. You want support for polished and vetted establishment types, no problem., give me quality candidates whose resume isn't full of progressive policy.

84 Yay !!
Democrat Lite will save the Republic!!

85 I didn't get the impression that Angle was near the flake that ODonnell was, and she didn't lose that badly either. Reid called in all his markers against her.
 
No pudding plans for NV2 here, but I'm ready to grip rip and dip for NY-9.

86 Democrat Lite will save the Republic!!

Thank you, time to open some wine spritzers and celebrate! Maybe even open some pretzels!

87 The Tea Party bullpen is deeper now.

Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at September 12, 2011 01:39 PM (OhYCU)

 

The more people become familiar with the simple message of the Tea Party, the more attractive it becomes.  The change is happening, maybe slower than we'd prefer, but it's happening.

One thing is for sure.  The beltway mentality is not going to tell me how to pick candidates to support or who to finally vote for.  I think that viewpoint is spreading too, re: Rick Perry's continued popularity even when he touches the third rail. 

88 Huntsman is a weasle ...

89 All that said though. Angle was a poor choice, and we did have better options, and probably should have picked one.

90

>>>Nothing. There's a reason she won the primary. Her biggest problem is that she was never the Nevada Gaming Commissioner - as Reid was - and Rid called in every last political favor that was ever owed to him. T

Meh, she won a primary at a time when anti-incumbent/establishment was at it's zenith.

People in the Republican primaries were desparate for anyone who wasn't a professional politician.

In many cases, it screwed us over (O'Donnell, Angle). We almost got a bunch of other terrible candidates but we lucked out that their skeletons were put on full display before they became the nominees. Anyone remember that Medina character from Texas who was a Tea Party favorite and then was outed as a 9/11 Truther by Glenn Beck.

 

Had we nominated Tarkanin (spelling) in Nevada or Castle in Deleware, we would have had two extra senate seats. Sure one of them would have been a squish, but it would still be an R vote on major issue.

The only primary victory that was risky and that I don't regret was Joe Miller. I still like the guy and hope he runs against Begich.

91 pawlenty endorses romney 
legal insurrection

92 Isn't it a strange coincidence that so many conservative women who become high-profile candidates are crazy: Angle, O'Donnell, Bachmann, etc.? Yet I've read so much about it on so many right-leaning blogs for so long, it must be true. Still, it's odd.

93 and a weasel too!!!!

94 @82: The moderator is noted Celebrity Jeopardy player Wolf Blitzer.  I hope the candidates answer in the form of a question.

95 SCoaMF for 100 alex ...

96 I understand the COD thing and the quality opponent meme, but I don't understand the Angle thing.  She wasn't offer totally off her rocker, she made a few gaffes, but Reid is/was the senate majority leader with a huge pocket book and union thievery.  I don't know that any other candidate would have done that much better.

And Reid is a stuttering clusterfuck gaffe machine himself.  There is something weird that goes on in the electorate with repub women in not totally red states, the judgmentalism just seems abnormally heightened, even among republicans.

97 Let's project out to Wednesday morning, and imagine that the democrats lose both these congressional special elections.

How will the MFM spin it?  Tell us.

98

>>>The moderator is noted Celebrity Jeopardy player Wolf Blitzer. I hope the candidates answer in the form of a question.

you're f*cking kidding me right? Wolf Blitzer?? God the GOP deserves what it gets.

I've said it a million times. They should do the debates internally and then offer the broadcast rights to major networks.

Why does the GOP insist on doing the MSM's work for it.

99 What is Obama ...

100 Romney just endorsed Sen O. Hatch.  Not really news.

101 Angle ran the kind of campaign you would run if you were running for a state position, and practically stayed out of Vegas all together (which was a mistake). Also, the "we're from Washington, and we're here to help you" team that took over her campaign ran nothing but ads bashing Reid, that did nothing to counter the meme that she was "extreme". The week before the election, while speaking to her at a GOTV event, I told her myself that everyone knew what Reid was like, and that she should have been running ads that explained why voters should vote for her, rather than against Reid. Of course, by that time, it was probably too late to make any kind of difference.

102 Who is that asshole shrill liberal asshole ( did I repeat myself?) who was just on FOX?

103

>>>Nothing. There's a reason she won the primary. Her biggest problem is that she was never the Nevada Gaming Commissioner - as Reid was - and Rid called in every last political favor that was ever owed to him. T

"Meh, she won a primary at a time when anti-incumbent/establishment was at it's zenith."

90% of incumbents were re-elected. Angle didn't run in a primary against any incumbents. Comments makes literally no sense.

104 >>It's funny that the people continue to insist we must be stupid and make no distinctions between people who can express conservative thoughts in ways that will persuade the middle (and thus advance the cause) and idiots who convince the middle that the right is crazy and dumb. RINO. This is the point about Perry I have been making since you called me out on supporting Romney. Perry speaks very bluntly. It plays well in Texas where they honestly feel that they are completely different than the rest of the US and excites the base. I remain unconvinced using language like Ponzi scheme is the way to go to win that crossover appeal. Time will tell.

105 Redskins lead the NFC East. Its been a long time since I could say that. Go Skins. "and stuff."

106 The fact that Amodei polls 20 points better than Angle really makes you wonder what would have happened to Harry Reid with a serviceable opponent.

Not really. Harry Reid and the MFM collaborated to destroy Sharron Angle, even labeling her as pro-rape. The other Republican candidates would have received the same smear campaign. (It worked, which is why Obama will use the same strategy in 2012.)

Notwithstanding that, Angle was a terrible candidate. Her entire campaign was attacking Harry Reid ineffectually, without ever explaining what she was going to do if elected.

107 I wish all you Angle bashers would get off the bandwagon. While her campaign got off to a rocky start, she revamped it in mid-stream and surged ahead in the polls during the last half.

But what the polls can not measure is the GOTV effort. Sadly the unions in NV put paid to that bill and she lost Reno and Vegas.

108

I remain unconvinced using language like Ponzi scheme is the way to go to win that crossover appeal. Time will tell.

Perry is the only nominee that compeates as well as Romney with Obama so far. In fact Perry does better then Romney against him in some polls. Your point is irrelevant until the polls show otherwise.

109 Hey Angle is old news. The upcoming Republican Victory in NY-9 is the big story. If obama loses the Jews, he's in deep dodo.

110 No no, you have it backwards. You want cultural appeal with the left and ideological appeal with the right.

111 "But I'm going to continue my crusade, insisting that Candidate Quality and Crossover Appeal matters quite a bit in elections..."

Ace, I don't know any reasonable person arguing that this is not true. But the base is tired of constantly being taken for a ride by the reach-across-the-aisle appeasers and their big-government enablers.

The only way a restoration of liberty can happen is if one of the two main parties is taken over and becomes responsive to freedom-loving citizens. And right now, the momentum is all with the Tea Party. We are going to continue to push the limits of electability to find out where that sweet spot is.

So quit yelling at us to stop primary-ing squishes if the conservative candidate fails to meet your electability standards. We need the RINO establishment running scared of people, not the other way around.

112

Posted by: nevergiveup at September 12, 2011 01:56 PM (i6RpT)

he won't lose the jews but a dent in their support helps

113 he won't lose the jews but a dent in their support helps Posted by: AuthorLMendez (Romneybots: Romney's So Much Smarter!) at September 12, 2011 01:57 PM (yAor6) If his opponent gets near 30-40 %, that's major and breaks the Dems grips on my Brain Dead Jewish Brethren and that is for all intents and purpose doing what no Dem has ever done ( except for CARTER)-loosing the Jews

114 The bottom line on Angle - like with the other "pure" candidates, O'Donnell, Buck, Maes, and Miller - was always that it doesn't matter how you'd govern if you don't win.  In her case in particular, the incumbent was under water and ripe to be taken.  The ONLY hope was to attack the challenger, and Angle gave Reid's team an ample target. 

But the nuts have labeled anyone who won't carry all their water all the time as "RINO," and sooner or later they will find themselves with a tiny - but very, very pure - minority that never compromises anything and never wins anything.

115 Sadly the unions in NV put paid to that bill and she lost Reno and Vegas. On election day, I was poll watching in NW Reno, where Republicans somewhat outnumber Democrats. Every couple of hours, the poll workers would print the list showing who had voted (though obviously, not their votes). Like clockwork, a couple of union guys would come in and go over the list with the Democrat poll watcher, as part of their "poll flushing" effort. They would then leave to contact those who had yet to vote. This is perfectly legal, BTW. During a lull, I spoke to one of the union guys. He had driven to Reno from Oakland, CA that morning, a distance of over 200 miles. I'm sure he was paid by his union to do so.

116 >>Perry is the only nominee that compeates as well as Romney with Obama so far. In fact Perry does better then Romney against him in some polls. Your point is irrelevant until the polls show otherwise. Perry has been in the national spotlight for a few weeks and he had repeatedly jumped up an down on his dick. From calling the Fed chairman potentially treasonous and giving an ominous prediction about his reception in Texas to, just as I predicted, blowback on his Ponzi scheme language. People are just starting to learn his real record and when his crony capitalism record and his illegal record get more in play, and they will, the shine will come off even more. At this stage last cycle McCain was buried in the polls and almost broke. How did that work out? Polls mean dick. Winning primaries is what counts. So far Romney is winning in NH and FL. I think I'll hang on to my irrelevant point for just a little longer.

117 The old election paradigms will fade to the background during the 2012 election.  The voting population knows what's happening to this country and will elect the people who show enough spine to fix it.  I want to keep repeating....THIS ELECTION IS DIFFERENT FROM ALL THE OTHERS. 

118 Man jumpimg up and down on your dick. That has to hurt.

119

At this stage last cycle McCain was buried in the polls and almost broke. How did that work out? Polls mean dick. Winning primaries is what counts. So far Romney is winning in NH and FL.

i'm confused so you advocate to see who is electable but then look down on my point that polling shows Perry is just as electable as Romney? which one is it. polls matter or don't. are you Romneybots flip-flopping as much as him now?

I think I'll hang on to my irrelevant point for just a little longer.

once again the Romneybots with the snark, i'll have fun tasting your tears

120 and btw Jackstraw perry and Romney are in a statiscal tie in FL

121 "Perry has been in the national spotlight for a few weeks and he had repeatedly jumped up an down on his dick. From calling the Fed chairman potentially treasonous and giving an ominous prediction about his reception in Texas to, just as I predicted, blowback on his Ponzi scheme language"

Man, is Perry suffering blowback... all the way to 1st place, baby!

122 we just need to get rid of the cra cra candidates-Angle. COD, Keyes etc

123 Man jump___ up and down on your dick. That has to hurt.

Posted by: Honey Badger at September 12, 2011 02:04 PM (GvYeG)

Why do you give a shit if he jumps on his dick?

124

Linda McMahon!! She is going to run for the CT Senate seat again.  If she couldn't win the first time with $50 million dollars what makes her think she will win against a democrat. 

McMahon is CT's Sharon Angle.  You hear she wants to run and you say "oy vey" how unlucky we are. 

Good thing asthma will be cured when the busway is built.

 

 

125 >>i'm confused so you advocate to see who is electable but then look down on my point that polling shows Perry is just as electable as Romney? which one is it. polls matter or don't. are you Romneybots flip-flopping as much as him now? If you're confused then you aren't trying to understand. I could say are Perry's supporters as dense as his scholastic record showed him to be but I won't. Petty name calling is a waste of time. Perry is the new guy and he came out with solid Tea Party support and very little mention of his actual record. His record is just starting to be discussed. This is a guy who called Tom Tancredo a bigot for his stance on illegal immigration and even has people in the Texas Tea Party waffling about him because of his record on illegals. Trancedo used to get big props around here for his stance on illegal immigration and McCain, who has a similar view on illegals to Perry, got hammered. If anyone is flip flopping it isn't me. Yes, Perry came out strong. Let's see how his he does the more his record is aired in public.

126 130 Just thinking out loud my friend. I had never heard that expression before.

127 The best fix for the immediate solvency of SS is getting more people working.  Ditto the deficit.  Whatever the question, Republicans need to talk about jobs.

128 Neither Romney nor Perry is ideal, but all things considered, their flaws are more or less equivalent. Either is preferable to Obama.

129

Hey Moron and Moronettes,

Missed ya'll as I have been away since Friday.  Wondering if this is the best thread to jump into... :p

130 Will the ideal candidate please stand up.

131

Posted by: pj at September 12, 2011 02:11 PM (YxPIm)

disagree, Mcmahon came back down 20 points against a CT war hero (yes he lied and all that but CT still hung on to him as some respected hero) and made it close. With an open seat, she could win this time. and since when do we have a problem with people being rich?

I could say are Perry's supporters as dense as his scholastic record showed him to be but I won't. Petty name calling is a waste of time.

I could say your a fucking arrogant elitist sounding scumbag who sounds a lot like a Devid Brooks lentlicker but I won't. Petty name calling is a waste of time.

132 Man, people are a little touchy today.

133

My friend Mark Ang has worked on several special and regular elections, helping with NY-9 right now, helped during the CA-36 race, the Tran-Sanchez battle, and helped in Nevada last year. He said the Angle GOTV was one of the worst operations he had seen, hands down, and had warned me against my better judgement she was doomed three weeks before the election. He also warned me not to be too hopeful about CA-36, but at least the GOTV operation was top-notch.

Angle's circle doomed her more than any wacky statements she made along the way.

134 I think Romney's pants are better creased than Perry's, but you could slice brioche on Huntsman's, old chum.

135 Huntsman ... the beast of crease!!!

136

Perry-Romney 2012. You heard it here first.

In 1980, Reagan and Bush went after each other, Bush's "voodoo economics" sounds eerily similar to Romney's "Perry, Slayer of Old People" rhetoric.

Oh, Romney won't do it because he really thinks Perry is that extreme?

Desperation against a SCoaMF can do strange things:

"In September 1980, former Watergate Scandal prosecutor Leon Jaworski accepted a position as honorary chairman of Democrats for Reagan.

Five months earlier, Jaworski had harshly criticized Reagan as an 'extremist;' he said after accepting the chairmanship, 'I would rather have a competent extremist than an incompetent moderate.'"

137

Sorry to rub that in. But I'm going to continue my crusade, insisting that Candidate Quality and Crossover Appeal matters quite a bit in elections, until it's accepted, and not pooh-poohed in favor of "ideology and cultural affinity with the conservative base are the only things that matter" model.

 

Ace,

C'mon, that is a huge straw-man.  Sure, there are some few righties who don't care about "electability", but they are few and far between. 

But when the party's version of "electability" is putting up a democrat as a republican - particularly in a conservative district - they have nobody to blame but themselves when that person loses in the primary to an "unelectable" conservative.

In other words, the problem is not the base putting up unelectable candidates (how often does that really happen?).  It is that the establishment takes the base for granted in an open seat and selects someone completely unacceptable to the base. 

That's not to say that the base always gets it right, but c'mon.  (And yes, I realize that your "campaign", such as it is, is aimed primarily at Palin supporters right now). 

And, frankly, can't you make the argument that every candidate that loses was "unelectable"?  when Dole lost to Clinton, was it b/c the base chose an "unelectable" candidate?  when McCain lost to Obama - was it b/c he was "unelectable"? 

This argument usually tends to be code for "social conservatives - shut the hell up and do what we say".  And, I'm not even a hard core social conservative and I see that.  Abortion, Gay Marriage, and other such issues are not my main issues by any means.  I don't think you (Ace) are saying that - I think you are concentrating on Palin.  But in all reality, we won't know whether or not she is eletable until (if) she enters and starts campaigning.  If she does that and her numbers don't move - she is not currently electable.  If she jumps in and her numbers start to improve, then perhaps she is not unelectable?

138 Sorry to rub that in. But I'm going to continue my crusade, insisting that Candidate Quality and Crossover Appeal matters quite a bit in elections, until it's accepted, and not pooh-poohed in favor of "ideology and cultural affinity with the conservative base are the only things that matter" model.

So PPP produces crap polls to please their clients until they run the risk of getting caught but this result, that they can't get caught on, is God's honest truth?

139

Perry-Romney 2012. You heard it here first.

The problem with this idea is - what would Romney bring to the ticket?  

Romney is not going to give you MA or MI.  He isn't a great campaigner, so he is not going to bring excitement or enthusiasm to the ticket. He does nothing for the base.

he doesn't bring any experience that Perry does not have.  No foreign policy experience, for instance.  He doesn't bring any legislative experience that could be useful.

the VP candidate is usually used as the campaign's attack dog.  I can't see Romney in that roll.

I just don't see Perry bringing anything of value to the ticket, unless some claim of conservative/moderate balance - but many other people could bring that and bring something more valuable as well.

 

140 If you are going to show that disfavored politicians, according to the "polls" shouldn't be considered, at least don't do it in the very post where you suggest polls are cracked. If you are going to insult my intelligence, at least do it intelligently or you look exactly like that which you decry. Better luck next time though.

141
So PPP produces crap polls to please their clients until they run the risk of getting caught but this result, that they can't get caught on, is God's honest truth?

Posted by: Heorot at September 12, 2011 02:43 PM (Nq/UF)

Pretty much, and they usually rank #1 or #2 in accuracy amongst all pollsters on their finals.

Thats why you will see it jump from say D+1 D+2 TIE D+1 to R+6 once they shift over. Mind you, they also go from Registered Voters to Likely Voters in their sampling, so that could be it.

142

Pretty much, and they usually rank #1 or #2 in accuracy amongst all pollsters on their finals.

Thats why you will see it jump from say D+1 D+2 TIE D+1 to R+6 once they shift over. Mind you, they also go from Registered Voters to Likely Voters in their sampling, so that could be it.

So the ballot will have an "but my second choice would be" option so we can test this theory?

143 "CAC has a theory about PPP. His theory is that they do all sorts of skewed polls to hearten Democrats, and claim they're ahead or at least close, except in the final poll, the one that counts, the one that goes into their W-L records when they pimp their accuracy to new clients. Then they get a little more... rigorous." I agree. But to be fair, I believe Rasmussen does the same thing, just with a conservative bias.

144 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

145 "Obama voters are showing up in the same numbers as 2008," well, that tells me they are oversampling Democrats already!  The turnout in off-year special election never approaches that of Presidential elections, PERIOD.

146 I think anyone arguing that the Tea Party represents "the people" needs to explain why 60% of "the people" don't like them.

147 " I think anyone arguing that the Tea Party represents "the people" needs to explain why 60% of "the people" don't like them.

Same reason RINOs try to court the favor of the make-believe media. They want to be the cool kids and get invited to rush week. They tell the pollster what they think the pollster wants to hear. Plus I'm leery of these surveys--they tend to phrase the question in a way that intimates that you are a cro-magnon knuckledragger if you like the "rich," "white," "racist" (pick one) TP.

The march through the institutions have made the squishy center think it's un-hip to not be green or mouth platitudes on the importance of diversity and employer recognition of same-sex relationships. Look at corporate America. They have completely caved to the identity group grievance industry. Hell, Boeing has a "gay Pride Month" (June) with admonitions from the diversity commissars to the employees not to make rude comments.

They all have a desperate need to be seen by their cool "friends" as enlightened.

148 I'm a precinct captain in NW Reno, and have walked several precincts in the GOTV effort for Amodei.

No offense, Reno, but did you ever ask that asshole about his entirely unconstitutional performance as Chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee back in the 2005 session when, by rewriting parents bill SB109 between sessions with judges looking to further entrench the most corrupt legal community in the nation, he rolled over and showed the leftist-feminist misandrist family law industry his puckered squeakhole and said oh please do me will you please do me?

The little shit is no conservative.   He's a political tool and opportunist with a trailing R.

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