August 21, 2011
— Open Blogger UPDATED below with a link to some historical stats, courtesy of dad29.
Good for the goose, right?
If the Left and their mouthpieces in the press are allowed to run ads and "news" stories portraying the Right pushing Granny off a cliff, then we need to be willing to muck it up with them.
Obama's end-run on Congress and the citizens of the U.S. vis-a-vis Cap 'n Trade continues apace. Expect energy bills to increase in January as producers are forced by the EPA to incur higher costs.
Oh, they assure us that the benefits far outweigh the costs. Government projections on the efficacy of bureaucracy are sacrosanct, after all.
Environmental groups praised the new rule because it would reduce acid rain and air pollution as well as help curb health effects from dirty air linked to coal plants. The EPA projected the rule will save up to 34,000 lives a year and prevent more than 400,000 asthma attacks as well as 19,000 admissions to hospitals.
I'd sure love to see an accounting of all EPA regulations forced on the U.S., in terms of how accurate the EPA projections were vs the cost to the economy. dad29 provides a link to Junk Science debunking some of the numbers.
But the EPA isn't in the "results" game. Besides - any data suggesting targets weren't met just mean more regulations are necessary. It's a hell of a scam.
So when your heat doesn't seem to want to come on next winter, for either lack of funds to pay your bill, or lack of energy production, please try to be warmed by this ageless remark from President SCOAMF :
"You would think they would be saying thank you."
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The EPA claims airborne fine particulate matter kills tens of thousands annually and that the prevention of those deaths will provide society $2 trillion annually in monetized health benefits by 2020.
But we can debunk those claims with more than mere criticisms of EPAÂ’s statistical malpractice and secret data. We have actual data that simply discredit the EPAÂ’s claims.
Posted by: dad29 at August 20, 2011 11:30 AM (Xrozh)
Posted by: Bosk at August 21, 2011 08:00 AM (AFcK1)
Posted by: njinfl at August 21, 2011 08:02 AM (M2X9r)
Posted by: Max Power at August 21, 2011 08:02 AM (+wxCD)
Posted by: no good deed at August 21, 2011 08:04 AM (mjR67)
Posted by: The Silly Walk & Stuttering Clusterfuck of Miserable Failures Party (AKA the Ds) at August 21, 2011 08:05 AM (t8yhd)
Posted by: Peggy Joseph at August 21, 2011 08:05 AM (0W3xT)
Have they published the methodology they used to arrive at these bogus numbers? I think not.
I recall one of the tobacco companies taking them to court over their BS second hand smoke findings. The court judge excoriated them over the findings after their "scientist" testified that the report was riddled with errors and that they violated their own rules for conduct of the investigation, much less the normal rules for conduct of statistical sampling.
So what did they do? The one tobacco company won a "settlement" and the EPA continued to use the fraudulent data and still uses it today.
As Bachmann said we need "the mother of all repeal bills".
Posted by: Vic at August 21, 2011 08:10 AM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: Vic at August 21, 2011 12:10 PM (M9Ie6)
I truly think that an incrementalist approach to this kind of thing is asking for yet more ass reaming. If we at all can, rip it out all at once. The careerists in gov't are going to kill us if we just fiddle around at the margins.
Posted by: KG at August 21, 2011 08:15 AM (LD21B)
Posted by: UncleZeb at August 21, 2011 08:15 AM (+SaF1)
Posted by: Obama at August 21, 2011 08:15 AM (14jKX)
I think we've been through this shit before, those of us that were over voting-age during Carter.
But with this guy, he'll lose the fire, and don a knit cap, covering his jug-ears, pulled down to his eyebrows. It's the base, you know.
Posted by: I'm in a New York state of mind at August 21, 2011 08:17 AM (4sQwu)
Posted by: Waterhouse at August 21, 2011 08:18 AM (l5lUf)
Posted by: izoneguy at August 21, 2011 08:19 AM (i6Neb)
Posted by: Obama at August 21, 2011 08:23 AM (14jKX)
Posted by: CAC at August 21, 2011 08:24 AM (JEVge)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at August 21, 2011 08:26 AM (eOXTH)
Fine particulates, eh? So when does the EPA start producing giant fire-proof corks to stick into volcanos?
I mean, that's where most of it comes from.
Posted by: ErikW at August 21, 2011 08:26 AM (YONbC)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at August 21, 2011 08:28 AM (ZDUD4)
Posted by: Barry Obama at August 21, 2011 08:28 AM (kD+se)
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at August 21, 2011 08:29 AM (o2lIv)
Posted by: CAC at August 21, 2011 08:29 AM (JEVge)
Posted by: Peregrine Took, Tea Party Hostage Taker at August 21, 2011 08:29 AM (mJznp)
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at August 21, 2011 08:29 AM (ByGQM)
Posted by: CAC at August 21, 2011 12:24 PM (JEVge)
Which is why the GOP isn't gonna run those ads. Wouldn't be very sporting, you see.
Posted by: KG at August 21, 2011 08:29 AM (LD21B)
Fine particulates, eh? So when does the EPA start producing giant fire-proof corks to stick into volcanos?
I mean, that's where most of it comes from.
Posted by: ErikW at August 21, 2011 12:26 PMSounds like a great photo op. From space.
Posted by: huerfano at August 21, 2011 08:29 AM (kD+se)
Posted by: mpfs, TPT, O is SCFOAMF at August 21, 2011 08:32 AM (Pv8jW)
Posted by: izoneguy at August 21, 2011 08:32 AM (i6Neb)
Posted by: FireSarge at August 21, 2011 08:33 AM (cGybZ)
Posted by: izoneguy at August 21, 2011 08:33 AM (i6Neb)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at August 21, 2011 08:35 AM (eOXTH)
Posted by: izoneguy at August 21, 2011 12:32 PM (i6Neb)
2) Forage copies of the New York Times from hobo haunts to use for kindling.
Posted by: KG at August 21, 2011 08:37 AM (LD21B)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at August 21, 2011 08:37 AM (eOXTH)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at August 21, 2011 08:38 AM (eOXTH)
Not having enough power to heat/cool your house, or perhaps not even having enough power to watch TV, play X-box/PS3, or surf the Web is keeping in line with this promise, albeit in a very twisted, negative way.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at August 21, 2011 08:39 AM (c0A3e)
Let them smoke cake. 
I always love the "excess capacity" meme and a few other likewise clever rejoinders from the Left, with regards to power generation and supply. In a few short years, we will be rationing electricity. That is, in part, what the "smart grid" is all about - the ability of utilities (and their political masters) to unilaterally adjust or shut off your electrical consumption. Newer electrical appliances will have embedded digital codes that will allow them to be adjusted or shut down upon command through the "smart grid".
And just think of the hacking possibilities.
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes..... at August 21, 2011 08:39 AM (sJTmU)
Posted by: hughie at August 21, 2011 08:39 AM (+56Bh)
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at August 21, 2011 08:40 AM (ByGQM)
GOP ads should just say one thing over and over and over again:
Under my plan, energy rates will skyrocket-JEF
Posted by: Lauren at August 21, 2011 08:41 AM (cVIY5)
Posted by: njinfl at August 21, 2011 12:02 PM (M2X9r)
Second that !
Posted by: The Seat of a Harley at August 21, 2011 08:41 AM (7U2lm)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at August 21, 2011 12:38 PM (eOXTH)
Use you hand tea bagger. I can't, because Michelle doesn't want to mix .. umm... particulates.
Posted by: Obama at August 21, 2011 08:41 AM (LD21B)
The people in the NE don't give a shit because they mostly heat with fuel oil in the Winter and they don't need A/C in the Summer. Here in the Southeast we use electricity for heat pumps in the Summer and Winter. GA Power has already said they will have to close 3 coal-fired units due to the new regulations.
If the economy was doing OK we would probably already be in rotating blackouts this past July. Contrary to what the idiots in congress say your dam light bulbs are not what drives the electricity usage. It is A/C and hot water heaters that are the major loads in the home. But even that doesn't drive overall electricity usage. One 50 hp motor in a factory will burn more than a bunch of houses. A typical factory uses about 50MW and hour. That is the same as 50,000 100 watt bulbs burning at once.
Posted by: Vic at August 21, 2011 08:42 AM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at August 21, 2011 08:44 AM (o2lIv)
Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure.
God, that feels amazing. :-)
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at August 21, 2011 08:48 AM (1fLwj)
For the record, some of us didn't vote for the bastard.
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at August 21, 2011 08:48 AM (o2lIv)
Posted by: Killerdog at August 21, 2011 08:49 AM (CZrbJ)
I really hate to be picky (again), but if all these regulations are supposed to be saving lives and reducing health care costs, then where are the savings? Shouldn't we be seeing them somewhere, especially after two generations of increasingly stringent regulations?
ROI, anyone?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at August 21, 2011 08:50 AM (d0Tfm)
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at August 21, 2011 08:50 AM (ByGQM)
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at August 21, 2011 12:48 PM (o2lIv)
And we're getting screwed just as good.
Posted by: KG at August 21, 2011 08:51 AM (LD21B)
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at August 21, 2011 08:53 AM (ByGQM)
Posted by: Paul Krugman at August 21, 2011 08:54 AM (14jKX)
The people in the NE don't give a shit because they mostly heat with fuel oil in the Winter and they don't need A/C in the Summer. - Vic
It is surely not as hot in NY City every day of the summer as it is in Columbia, SC, for example. But it does get plenty hot, and those big skyscrapers need plenty of elecricity to stay cool. But NY City and greater New York do no produce enough electricity to meet their peak power demands. The buy a huge amount of that "excess electrical generation" from the Midwest, such as First Energy, AEP (and its associated utilities), which are mostly coal - fired power plants. Every day during hot peak power days, the juice flows east, at least for now. Heh.
When capacity goes down, and Greater New York wants that extra megawattage, it isn't going to be there. They are going to get it good and hard.
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes..... at August 21, 2011 08:54 AM (sJTmU)
I've never actually gotten to type this and I REALLY want to:
Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure.
God, that feels amazing. :-)
If you really want to have an organism, say it out loud, preferably after a shot of Valu-Rite. As soon as you can get your breath back, that is.
We could make that the official AoSHQ toast...
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at August 21, 2011 08:55 AM (d0Tfm)
Posted by: brian cobbs at August 21, 2011 08:55 AM (QUUT2)
Yes. I just wanted to note that not everyone who was attending college/about to attend college at that time voted for Obama.
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at August 21, 2011 08:55 AM (o2lIv)
Posted by: CoolCzech at August 21, 2011 08:56 AM (kUaEF)
Posted by: mike at August 21, 2011 08:57 AM (4OBac)
Posted by: Axelrod at August 21, 2011 08:57 AM (14jKX)
Posted by: CoolCzech at August 21, 2011 08:57 AM (kUaEF)
It is surely not as hot in NY City every day of the summer as it is in Columbia, SC, for example. But it does get plenty hot, and those big skyscrapers need plenty of elecricity to stay cool. But NY City and greater New York do no produce enough electricity to meet their peak power demands. The buy a huge amount of that "excess electrical generation" from the Midwest, such as First Energy, AEP (and its associated utilities), which are mostly coal - fired power plants. Every day during hot peak power days, the juice flows east, at least for now. Heh.
When capacity goes down, and Greater New York wants that extra megawattage, it isn't going to be there. They are going to get it good and hard.
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes..... at August 21, 2011 12:54 PM (sJTmU)
Did you hear about Cuomo's plan to shut down one of the plants that feeds NYC? I think the one he wants to shut down is like 2000MW, and replace it with his buddies' 650MW natural gas plant. Can't remember where I read about this.
Posted by: KG at August 21, 2011 08:58 AM (LD21B)
Posted by: brian cobbs
Well put. Exactly right. Ezra Klein (D- Imbecile) hardest hit.
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes..... at August 21, 2011 08:58 AM (sJTmU)
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at August 21, 2011 08:58 AM (ByGQM)
Posted by: Clubber Lang at August 21, 2011 08:59 AM (QcFbt)
Posted by: mike at August 21, 2011 08:59 AM (4OBac)
Posted by: CoolCzech at August 21, 2011 09:00 AM (kUaEF)
And I demand that the Oval Office be fumigated the day after Perry is inaugurated.
Posted by: CoolCzech at August 21, 2011 01:00 PM (kUaEF)
Shouldn't it be the day before...or the day of?
Posted by: Tami at August 21, 2011 09:01 AM (X6akg)
Posted by: mike at August 21, 2011 09:01 AM (4OBac)
Efficiency and progress is ours once more
Now that we have the Neutron bomb
It's nice and quick and clean and gets things done
Away with excess enemy
But no less value to property
No sense in war but perfect sense at home:
The sun beams down on a brand new day
No more welfare tax to pay
Unsightly slums gone up in flashing light
Jobless millions whisked away
At last we have more room to play
All systems go to kill the poor tonight
Gonna
Kill kill kill kill Kill the poor:Tonight
Behold the sparkle of champagne
The crime rate's gone
Feel free again
O' life's a dream with you, Miss Lily White
Jane Fonda on the screen today
Convinced the liberals it's okay
So let's get dressed and dance away the night
While they:
Kill kill kill kill Kill the poor:Tonight
Posted by: model_1066 at August 21, 2011 09:05 AM (2j/Mv)
That's why I try to buy in bulk and run two freezers w/gen. backup, but my food bill still huffs and puffs. I refuse to buy cheap tho' cause I only have to feed me and the occasional get together with friends.
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at August 21, 2011 09:06 AM (ByGQM)
Posted by: Breathing easy at August 21, 2011 09:07 AM (hn7Yz)
Oh, yeah, the cost of food has gone way up. It's pretty shocking.
That's another thing for which we should be thanking The Vapid One™. This one comes as the result of QE 2 that is nothing more than government-caused inflation (the printing of more dollars instead of them being created through business) plus the ethanol subsidy, where we finally passed the point where more corn is being made into less efficient fuel than is being grown for consumption a couple of weeks ago.
For extra credit, guess what we feed our livestock?
Anyone?
Bueller?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at August 21, 2011 09:07 AM (d0Tfm)
Would I be able to hunt deer with a .357 pistol in most places? Or does it vary by state? I do want a Marlin lever action rifle in that caliber, which would be da bomb...
Posted by: model_1066 at August 21, 2011 09:09 AM (2j/Mv)
For extra credit, guess what we feed our livestock?
Anyone?
Bueller?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at August 21, 2011 01:07 PM (d0Tfm)
Uhhhhhh, hemp?
Posted by: typical pothead college student at August 21, 2011 09:11 AM (YONbC)
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at August 21, 2011 09:11 AM (MXC7a)
The environmental groups had better hope that this doesnÂ’t get out.
Of course healthy trees produce oxygen and sequester carbon. WouldnÂ’t want that.
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at August 21, 2011 09:11 AM (jx2j9)
Posted by: model_1066 at August 21, 2011 09:12 AM (2j/Mv)
Posted by: morigu at August 21, 2011 09:12 AM (QXzRP)
Posted by: dulce at August 21, 2011 09:13 AM (ANcW5)
I too see the coal trains leaving the switching yard here in Denver...headed south, probably to a plant coming online outside Pueblo. Likely coal from Wyoming.
Posted by: model_1066 at August 21, 2011 09:15 AM (2j/Mv)
Posted by: Barney F at August 21, 2011 09:15 AM (XjzEc)
Of course healthy trees produce oxygen and sequester carbon. WouldnÂ’t want that.
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at August 21, 2011 01:11 PM (jx2j9)
Someday, we, as a society, really need to wise up on environmentalists, and ignore them.
Posted by: KG at August 21, 2011 09:15 AM (LD21B)
_________
That's the switch that releases the tiger, right?
Posted by: British Army self-defense instructor at August 21, 2011 09:17 AM (6fER6)
Posted by: Fred Bernstein at August 21, 2011 09:18 AM (qXGZK)
Posted by: model_1066 at August 21, 2011 09:19 AM (2j/Mv)
Posted by: morigu at August 21, 2011 09:19 AM (QXzRP)
Posted by: Fred Bernstein at August 21, 2011 01:18 PM (qXGZK)
They are eternally stupid. Some way, some how, lower-than-normal temps will be blamed on AGW or climate change or whatever the hell they decide to name it.
Posted by: ErikW at August 21, 2011 09:21 AM (YONbC)
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at August 21, 2011 09:22 AM (ByGQM)
Did you hear about Cuomo's plan to shut down one of the plants that feeds NYC? I think the one he wants to shut down is like 2000MW, and replace it with his buddies' 650MW natural gas plant. Can't remember where I read about this.
Posted by: KG
Governor Genius Cuomo wants to shut down Indian Point (nuclear power station) Units 2 and 3, which each generate 1000 MW. There is a fault line nearby (the Ramapo fault?) which has an absolutely microsopic/ minimal chance of activity in the next nine years before the Indian Point plants will actually be retired. There is also the problem of "waste" stored on-site that needs tending (can anyone remember Yucca Mountain?).
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes..... at August 21, 2011 09:23 AM (sJTmU)
I did save a stray, sick doggie when I was there...our seismic crew was based miles outside of town, and this collie mix wandered in one day. We fed her scraps from our barbeque, so I called her 'scrappy'...took her to a woman in town that takes care of strays, as they have no animal shelter there, and gave her a hundred bucks for vet bills. Poor dog would have been hit by a car, shot by a rancher or killed by coyotes eventually. She said 'people around here don't do stuff like that' and I said 'that's cuz I'm not from around here'. Still get xmas cards from her. Great lady.
Posted by: model_1066 at August 21, 2011 09:23 AM (2j/Mv)
Its a small thing but whenever I see a ad for Bloomburg's Beyond Coal campaign on a conservative site I clink through. I like the thought of some of his $50M coming this way..
“If we are going to get serious about reducing our carbon footprint in the United States, we have to get serious about coal," said the mayor via a Sierra Club press release. Ending coal power production is the right thing to do, because while it may seem to be an inexpensive energy source the impact on our environment and the impact on public health is significant."
Posted by: tmitsss at August 21, 2011 09:23 AM (V4Pya)
Posted by: CoolCzech at August 21, 2011 09:25 AM (kUaEF)
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at August 21, 2011 09:27 AM (ByGQM)
Posted by: Dick Obama at August 21, 2011 09:28 AM (kUaEF)
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at August 21, 2011 01:23 PM (ByGQM)
No problem, 'Nam. It's an unconventional spelling, I get it all the time. 
And yeah some cocksmoke at Politico or the NYT will figure out a way to blame the Tea Party for forcing the EPA to take measures, blah, blah, blah.
I hate these assholes.
Posted by: ErikW at August 21, 2011 09:28 AM (YONbC)
Barack Hussein Obama, March 23, 2011.
Posted by: Clutch Cargo at August 21, 2011 09:30 AM (p+mzQ)
Yeah, which is why they are talking about shutting down Indian Point. Aldo, IIANM AEP has said they are going to have to shut down some of their coal fired plants.
Posted by: Vic at August 21, 2011 09:32 AM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: model_1066 at August 21, 2011 01:09 PM (2j/Mv)
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bummer....
Posted by: model_1066 at August 21, 2011 09:35 AM (2j/Mv)
You know it and I know it.
Posted by: Call Me Ishmael at August 21, 2011 09:36 AM (ioOt4)
I was all but called a racist by an in-law of mine for making a negative remark about our CIC whose skin color, BTW, very nearly matches hers. If you put my arm next to hers mine does, too.
Libs are the cwaziest peoples.
Posted by: Theresa D., TPT (FREE GGE!!) at August 21, 2011 09:38 AM (Zgfnd)
Yes, we can (ignore reality)!
Posted by: Gaia worshiper at August 21, 2011 09:39 AM (kD+se)
Posted by: model_1066 at August 21, 2011 09:40 AM (2j/Mv)
Our nation is divided worse than I can ever recall. While some say Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of miserable failure, most others say that Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure. We need to do something to bring America back together.
Road trip!
Posted by: Buck Ofama at August 21, 2011 09:41 AM (U1o3J)
Posted by: Call Me Ishmael at August 21, 2011 01:36 PM (ioOt4)
Nope. Odickhead's negative numbers are so south and trending towards the shitter that it's not possible for him to win.
The Hispanic numbers are even down by nearly 40%.
This is ours to lose.
Posted by: ErikW at August 21, 2011 09:43 AM (YONbC)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 21, 2011 09:43 AM (bxiXv)
Posted by: model_1066 at August 21, 2011 09:45 AM (2j/Mv)
Posted by: Call Me Ishmael at August 21, 2011 01:36 PM (ioOt4)
Damn straight! That's what he did with the debt-limit "negotiation". And the cowardly, retarded GOP still can't find the brains or the balls to explain that the downgrade was invited by Barky, demanded by Barky (as he threatened it every f'ing day on TV, and even after the bill passed!) ... and un-Constitutional for Barky to do.
Instead, Barky threatens that the US will default when there was no fiscal reason, whatsover, that default should have even been part of any conversation. But, this was just an exact replay of his threat to withold checks from the military for the last CR "negotiation" ... I guess the retards in the GOP leadership forgot all about that doozy ... Then, S&P laughably jumps in (where Moody's had realized on what tenuous intellectual ground they stood) and declares French debt in Euros (which might not exist in a couple of years and which France cannot control) more secure than American debt - a joke of a proposition that could only made even possibly true by the Indonesian's specific threat to all to control disbursements and make the US default ... again, something that he is forbade by the 14th amendment to do or even threaten to do (as he did).
Pathetic. All the way around. Criminally pathetic.
Posted by: progressoverpeace at August 21, 2011 09:45 AM (F5tJy)
Posted by: model_1066 at August 21, 2011 09:46 AM (2j/Mv)
Anyone else planning on watching the 9/11 special on MSNBC hosted by Rachel Maddow and Richard Engel?
Where was Maddow on 9/11? I figure she was a dumpy, acne challenged grad student just figuring out how much she loved carpet munching after all the beautiful people wouldn't let her into their sorority.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 21, 2011 09:46 AM (AF1jB)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 21, 2011 09:47 AM (bxiXv)
Posted by: model_1066 at August 21, 2011 01:09 PM (2j/Mv)
I don't know about other States but it is legal in GA and SC. IIANM you are only allowed to use a shotgun in MI.
Posted by: Vic at August 21, 2011 09:49 AM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: Journolist at August 21, 2011 09:50 AM (Fb9Q0)
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at August 21, 2011 09:51 AM (ByGQM)
Posted by: model_1066 at August 21, 2011 09:51 AM (2j/Mv)
Posted by: mammal ready at August 21, 2011 09:51 AM (mexsR)
I'll take that bet!
Posted by: GOP at August 21, 2011 01:45 PM (LD21B)
Yeah, I knew that was coming and it's true.
The current political environment is such that I don't even think the GOP could screw this up but never say never...
Posted by: ErikW at August 21, 2011 09:53 AM (YONbC)
Instead environmentalism is all about rules and regulations and making sure any actual solutions are kept tied down by enough red tape to keep them from ever seeing the light of day.
Posted by: An Observation at August 21, 2011 09:53 AM (ylhEn)
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at August 21, 2011 09:54 AM (ByGQM)
The current political environment is such that I don't even think the GOP could screw this up but never say never...
Posted by: ErikW at August 21, 2011 01:53 PM (YONbC)
We'll be able to tell after they get back from vacation ...
Posted by: progressoverpeace at August 21, 2011 09:54 AM (F5tJy)
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at August 21, 2011 09:56 AM (ByGQM)
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at August 21, 2011 01:51 PM (ByGQM)
Can I get an exact qoute so I can put that on Facebook? That should get me unfriended by about half of my friends.
I think I'll do it!
Posted by: ErikW at August 21, 2011 09:57 AM (YONbC)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 21, 2011 09:58 AM (bxiXv)
Posted by: O at August 21, 2011 09:58 AM (ndlFj)
Sums it up perfect in 4 words. We need a Bastille Day.
Posted by: Berserker at August 21, 2011 09:59 AM (FMbng)
Why is it that enviros are always the stankiest most revolting emitters of vicinity pollution on the planet?
Maybe if they took a bath they wouldn't think the world was so polluted.
Posted by: Jimmah at August 21, 2011 09:59 AM (TfRqk)
Posted by: curious say at August 21, 2011 10:02 AM (oUG6f)
If you don't think the GOP can screw this up, then you don't know the GOP.
"I am suspending my campaign to deal with the crisis."
Trillions in new spending authority and zero cuts = the best deal we could get.
The gang of whatever coming to the rescue. ... again.
etc. etc.
Posted by: Call Me Ishmael at August 21, 2011 10:02 AM (ioOt4)
Clean, impotent energy with be the death of this country.
Posted by: FLOTUS Monologues at August 21, 2011 10:03 AM (+KjE2)
Posted by: Berserker at August 21, 2011 01:59 PM (FMbng)
Careful dude, the Secret Service might be alerted to some shit like that.
Posted by: ErikW at August 21, 2011 10:05 AM (YONbC)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at August 21, 2011 10:06 AM (eOXTH)
Posted by: The Roadrunner from Texas at August 21, 2011 10:06 AM (ndlFj)
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at August 21, 2011 10:08 AM (ByGQM)
I was at a barbecue yesterday. The hosts were a gay couple, 1 white, 1 black. It was a very mixed crowd, but good people all around. There was one black dude at a table going on about his education, and he studied philosophy, etc. He went on about how marriage is good because it continues the species, and then somehow shifts to talking about how his dad was black, his mom was white, and his own wife is white etc. He starts saying he's half white but people only see black. He asked me what I thought. (big mistake)
I said, for one, if we weren't color blind, then that stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure wouldn't be president, and if you ask me, tying men down to marriage probably put a dent in the species. lol
Posted by: Berserker at August 21, 2011 10:09 AM (FMbng)
Can I get an exact qoute so I can put that on Facebook? That should get me unfriended by about half of my friends.
I think I'll do it!
Posted by: ErikW at August 21, 2011 01:57 PM (YONbC)
I wasn't being sarcastic, either. It would help thin out some unwanted folks.
Posted by: ErikW at August 21, 2011 10:10 AM (YONbC)
Posted by: model_1066 at August 21, 2011 10:12 AM (2j/Mv)
“Then she saw the answer; she saw the secret premise behind their words. With all of their noisy devotion to the age of science, their hysterically technological jargon, their cyclotrons, their sound rays, these men were moved forward, not by the image of an industrial skyline, but by the vision of that form of existence which the industrialists had swept away – the vision of a fat, unhygienic rajah of India, with vacant eyes staring in indolent stupor out of stagnant layers of flesh, with nothing to do but run precious gems through his fingers and, once in a while, stick a knife into the body of a starved, toil-dazed, germ-eaten creature, as a claim to a few grains of the creature’s rice, then claim it from hundreds of millions of such creatures and thus let the rice grains gather into gems.” (p. 948, hardcover)
Posted by: toby928™ at August 21, 2011 10:13 AM (GTbGH)
"That single line from a single speech is an almost perfect vignette of everything that’s wrong with the Washington leviathan. The American taxpayers pay for a luxury Canadian bus, dozens of accompanying vehicles, salaried aides and federal speechwriters in order to zip the President halfway across the country to blame somebody else for something only he can do – if only he’d stayed back at the office."
Posted by: Dave in Fla at August 21, 2011 10:14 AM (cSkZ5)
Posted by: Jimmah at August 21, 2011 10:14 AM (TfRqk)
Posted by: curious say at August 21, 2011 10:15 AM (oUG6f)
Posted by: model_1066 at August 21, 2011 10:16 AM (2j/Mv)
Oh I don't know about all that but I did raise two great sons and put them both through college, that's why I live in a sandbagged bunker with crosses cut into my wooden shutters for a better field of fire and they live in Mcmansions.
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at August 21, 2011 10:16 AM (ByGQM)
Posted by: Jimmah at August 21, 2011 02:14 PM (TfRqk)
They don't do anything. Glaciers are like ... negative 3 million degrees ... KELVIN!! You just can't comprehend how cold that is.
So, SHUT UP! 98 out 100 dentists sciencyists say so.
Posted by: Al Gore, Sooper-Geneeyus at August 21, 2011 10:18 AM (F5tJy)
Posted by: model_1066 at August 21, 2011 10:19 AM (2j/Mv)
Posted by: Al Gore, Sooper-Geneeyus at August 21, 2011 10:21 AM (F5tJy)
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at August 21, 2011 10:23 AM (ByGQM)
Posted by: model_1066 at August 21, 2011 10:24 AM (2j/Mv)
Posted by: Jimmah at August 21, 2011 02:14 PM (TfRqk)
I'm glad you asked!
You see, during an interglacial period, ice builds up and glaciers compact and as we all know, compression creates heat!
So, as our Neandertal predecessors murdered Mammoths and Three Toed Sloths and burned ancient old-growth forests, the combination of these events and behaviors created the world of doom that we live in today.
Damn Exxon-Mobil.
Posted by: ErikW, channeling Al Gore at August 21, 2011 10:25 AM (YONbC)
Doesn't matter how much money one has it doesn't make you happy if your mind ain't right, you think soros is happy? I don't think so especially now that his BOY is going down the tubes.
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at August 21, 2011 10:26 AM (ByGQM)
Posted by: Al Gore, Sooper-Geneeyus at August 21, 2011 10:28 AM (F5tJy)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 21, 2011 10:28 AM (bxiXv)
Posted by: model_1066 at August 21, 2011 10:28 AM (2j/Mv)
Posted by: steevy at August 21, 2011 10:28 AM (MY5Eh)
Every lad needs a whippin' to keep him on the straight and narrow from time to time. I know I did.
Posted by: The Ramones at August 21, 2011 10:29 AM (DjlKT)
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at August 21, 2011 10:29 AM (ByGQM)
Posted by: curiously vapid at August 21, 2011 10:33 AM (IbVgl)
I want to clarify, I didn't beat my boys, I spent many years in the Army hell I was a Drill Sergeant for 6 years when they were growing up, I just kept them on the straight and narrow on the road to be good Americans not American haters like the libtards, I just put my foot in their ass when they swerved off the road. hahahaha
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at August 21, 2011 10:34 AM (ByGQM)
Posted by: model_1066 at August 21, 2011 10:36 AM (2j/Mv)
Posted by: RB at August 21, 2011 10:36 AM (UkrTY)
Posted by: that guy that doesn't read all the comments at August 21, 2011 10:37 AM (GTbGH)
Posted by: model_1066 at August 21, 2011 02:28 PM (2j/Mv)
At least you didn't mention Shiela Jackson-Lee.
Whoops! too late.
Posted by: ErikW at August 21, 2011 10:37 AM (YONbC)
Posted by: model_1066 at August 21, 2011 10:38 AM (2j/Mv)
do you think it is right for big business power companies to continue to burn coal for electricity ? Natural gas? (if yes) even if these processes produce emissions that some say are harming the health of their kids and kittens?
See guys? We have no chance because the freaking MSM meme will be framed this way. The NE citizen, the west coastie, who don't use AC don't appreciate the cost.. they're better than us because they live where they do.
Perry (most likely) and the GOP need to square the circle , get in front of the meme above and drive home that the EPA really is driving up costs "just cause it can" and it is hurting everyone, not just the poor. AND remember, we'll never convince 30% of 'em because their brain damaged libtards... they actually like what is going on and want more of it....
Posted by: Yip in Texas at August 21, 2011 10:38 AM (SyLEU)
@192--Hah--my Dad was a former NCO, he served with a line company and survived Guadalcanal. His philosophy with kids was "beat 'em when they're bad, and love 'em when they're good". Worked just fine with brother and me.
Posted by: irongrampa at August 21, 2011 10:39 AM (ud5dN)
Posted by: Tesla at August 21, 2011 10:39 AM (DPU1J)
Posted by: Cheri at August 21, 2011 10:40 AM (BA8k3)
Hardest thing I ever did was volunteer for 'Nam both times but I was driven and figured I was setting the example, fortunately everything turned out ok, some can't say that sadly. |
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at August 21, 2011 10:41 AM (ByGQM)
you guys are joking , right?
Posted by: Barry Soreto on vacation cause its hard being the man at August 21, 2011 10:41 AM (SyLEU)
wish i could post a photo of lil' scrappy....she was such a sweet dog...last I heard, someone recognized her as 'their' dog when she was up for adoption, and the woman I gave her to (Ruth) said something along the lines of 'no way in hell you're getting this dog back!' God bless that woman.
Posted by: model_1066 at August 21, 2011 10:43 AM (2j/Mv)
Posted by: model_1066 at August 21, 2011 02:36 PM (2j/Mv)
The old Man that raised me (also a former DI) used to tell me "I cant make you listen to me, but i can make you wish you had."
wow. Trust me. There are some things worse than a whuppin.
But you know he had the best rule. He would never ever make you suffer worse for coming clean to him than if you lied and got away with it. If you lied and he found out it was hell to pay... but if you were just honest from the start it would be ok. Very ok. And if there was trouble, he might even help you.
it made me a very very honest person.
Posted by: Gushka goes blue at August 21, 2011 10:43 AM (QNeKQ)
I was 11B40 Airborne Infantry too, no brag just fact! well..........maybe some brag. LOL
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at August 21, 2011 10:44 AM (ByGQM)
Posted by: Jean at August 21, 2011 10:44 AM (t5Klv)
I have a lot of fondness for animals.Posted by: Cheri at August 21, 2011 10:45 AM (BA8k3)
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at August 21, 2011 02:37 PM (ByGQM)
Boys need a firm hand.
----
As do liberals.
Posted by: Jimmah at August 21, 2011 10:45 AM (TfRqk)
Posted by: model_1066 at August 21, 2011 10:47 AM (2j/Mv)
This is ours to lose.
Posted by: ErikW at August 21, 2011 01:43 PM (YONbC)
I'll take that bet!
Posted by: GOP at August 21, 2011 01:45 PM (LD21B)
¡Si Se Puede!
Posted by: Hrothgar at August 21, 2011 10:47 AM (yrGif)
Posted by: Yip in Texas at August 21, 2011 10:48 AM (SyLEU)
Posted by: As If! at August 21, 2011 10:48 AM (piMMO)
We've already had rolling brown and short term blackouts in the non-urban areas of the state because they're piping our power to Detroit. We've seen this as far away as here (just north of Cinci). It hasn't happened recently, but we were losing power for a few hours every few days during the hotter period in early summer.
Should be a fun winter.
Posted by: Ranba Ral at August 21, 2011 10:48 AM (G99e4)
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at August 21, 2011 02:37 PM (ByGQM)
I got my ass whupped a couple times. One day I thought it would be fun to play crash 'em up with my Hot Wheels and matches in Papaws basement. I can still feel it.
Posted by: ErikW at August 21, 2011 10:50 AM (YONbC)
I'm sure it's only a matter of time before they'll allow you to buy an SUV, but you'll have to buy it with 13" tires.
Posted by: As If! at August 21, 2011 10:51 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at August 21, 2011 10:53 AM (ByGQM)
Mine too, he served 35 years in the Army, WWII, Korea and he was still in when I joined and told me I'm not going to 'Nam it's your turn. lol
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at August 21, 2011 10:55 AM (ByGQM)
Posted by: Cheri at August 21, 2011 10:56 AM (BA8k3)
I can't think of anything more fitting for that bastard than to have to eat ramen noodles several times a week. For him to have to ration his air conditioning to keep the electric bill at a level he can afford to pay.
His bullshit is driving people to the poor house and it would be only fitting that, as AGW continues to unravel, he should spend time with those he destroyed.
Posted by: As If! at August 21, 2011 10:56 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: Cheri at August 21, 2011 10:59 AM (BA8k3)
Posted by: model_1066 at August 21, 2011 11:02 AM (2j/Mv)
God Bless our Troops and their Families, I do.
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at August 21, 2011 11:03 AM (ByGQM)
Fine particulate matter is a real concern. It is a cause of lung cancer.
It's produced not just from volcanoes. It's produced from diesel exhaust, and -yes- coal power plant emissions.
The SCIENCE isn't really the problem. It is the policy prescription.
I'm beginning to think that their deliberate strategy is to propose completely over-the-top policies, loosely tied to the scientific basis, and then just wait for our eventual overreaction where we question not just the policy, but the science.
Then they scream "see? the other side is ANTI-SCIENCE, so do what we say!" And they get their insane policies in place because our side misplays our cards.
For example:
Leftard: "Burning coal causes soot, so therefore we must BAN COAL".
Us: "That's ridiculous, banning coal would be a terrible idea, AND BESIDES, the soot isn't so bad"
Leftard: "See? They are denying that SOOT is bad, so we must BAN COAL!!!!"
We shouldn't fall for this trap. We can say that burning coal causes some problems without agreeing with their insane, idiotic policy choices.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 21, 2011 11:04 AM (1N25r)
Posted by: Cheri at August 21, 2011 02:56 PM (BA8k3)
Some people are born needing some sense smacked into them, I was one of them!
Posted by: ErikW at August 21, 2011 11:04 AM (YONbC)
Posted by: GAIA at August 21, 2011 11:04 AM (14jKX)
My dad only had to kick my ass once. I never , ever again did something so stupid to raise that ire of his again.
as Joe Piscopo said , many times in Johnny Dangerously: " I did <insert item here> once......once"
Posted by: exsanguine at August 21, 2011 11:05 AM (VYaIM)
Posted by: Cheri at August 21, 2011 02:59 PM (BA8k3)
Why yes. Yes it has.
Posted by: As If! at August 21, 2011 11:06 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: Mr Fever Head at August 21, 2011 11:09 AM (ZgvjV)
Posted by: Jean at August 21, 2011 11:13 AM (t5Klv)
Posted by: Mr Fever Head at August 21, 2011 03:09 PM (ZgvjV)
That was insufferably geeky and annoying.
I suppose you will be named a cob logger pretty quick.
Posted by: ErikW at August 21, 2011 11:14 AM (YONbC)
Posted by: Theresa D., TPT (FREE GGE!!) at August 21, 2011 11:14 AM (Zgfnd)
Calling Bullshit on these made-up pulled-out-of-the-ass numbers.
Posted by: sTevo at August 21, 2011 11:15 AM (VMcEw)
Posted by: Mr Fever Head at August 21, 2011 11:17 AM (ZgvjV)
Posted by: Jean at August 21, 2011 11:20 AM (t5Klv)
Posted by: Mr Fever Head at August 21, 2011 03:17 PM (ZgvjV)
That was a back-handed compliment. Do what you do.
Posted by: ErikW at August 21, 2011 11:20 AM (YONbC)
It's a shame we must guard against the old guard folding, but it is a story as old as antiquity, no? We're living history boys.. now mount up and make your shots count.
Posted by: Yip in Texas at August 21, 2011 11:21 AM (SyLEU)
I agree.
The bad science on the green side; see acid rain, DDT, AGW, BPA, etc, has to stop.
I disagree that it is "bad science".
They are taking legitimate scientific results and using them to justify insane policies.
We can't go overboard and question not just the policy but also the science.
Is it really in doubt that fine particulate matter can cause lung cancer? No it isn't.
The problem isn't the science, but the coercion.
But they get their way when they get away with painting us as "anti-science" when we invite it ourselves by making stupid claims that contradict the science itself.
There is no harm in saying "burning coal has problems but the answer isn't to ban coal or to turn off coal-fired power plants".
Posted by: chemjeff at August 21, 2011 11:22 AM (1N25r)
Posted by: Mr Fever Head at August 21, 2011 11:23 AM (ZgvjV)
Barack Obama
Posted by: Clutch Cargo at August 21, 2011 11:24 AM (p+mzQ)
Barack Obama
Posted by: Clutch Cargo at August 21, 2011 11:26 AM (p+mzQ)
Barack Obama
Posted by: Clutch Cargo at August 21, 2011 11:27 AM (p+mzQ)
Posted by: Mr Fever Head at August 21, 2011 11:27 AM (ZgvjV)
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at August 21, 2011 11:30 AM (ByGQM)
Posted by: Mr Fever Head at August 21, 2011 03:27 PM (ZgvjV)
That's a helluva drunk!
I did that once and my head hurt like hell.
Posted by: ErikW at August 21, 2011 11:36 AM (YONbC)
http://tiny.cc/d6huy
Great idea! Where can I get one of those?
I predict that the moment people here about those things, everyone will want one!
Posted by: As If! at August 21, 2011 11:37 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: Mr Fever Head at August 21, 2011 11:39 AM (ZgvjV)
Posted by: No Whining at August 21, 2011 11:42 AM (P96Ug)
"Heat toast" not my phrase. It is from the thread winner, about 230 posts ago.
Still the thread winner.
Posted by: I'm in a New York state of mind at August 21, 2011 11:44 AM (4sQwu)
Mostly they have. Almost all of the new generation during the past 20 years has been from IC turbine or combined cycle IC turbine that runs off of natural gas. That is why the cost of NG has doubled.
Those types of plant are cheap to build but expensive to operate.
Posted by: Vic at August 21, 2011 11:46 AM (M9Ie6)
I used to be able to regularly get those for 33 cents each. Last week, I saw them for closer to 70 cents each. When they hit a dollar, I'll know doom is here.
Posted by: Y-not at August 21, 2011 11:48 AM (5H6zj)
I've never been a sky is falling type of guy. But in this last year I've got a nagging feeling in my gut that we are heading for something cataclysmic.
Posted by: Mr Fever Head at August 21, 2011 03:39 PM (ZgvjV)
You'll have plenty of people around here to commisserate with.
Posted by: ErikW at August 21, 2011 11:49 AM (YONbC)
+1 to that, chemjeff.
Posted by: Y-not at August 21, 2011 11:50 AM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Mr Fever Head at August 21, 2011 11:52 AM (ZgvjV)
I live downwind from Ohio, the dirtiest state in the nation - fuel wise. Sometimes I go outside late at night and turn the floods on and am astonished at the amount of shit in the air on 'cloudless' nights.
Posted by: Downrated Upscale at August 21, 2011 03:43 PM (IhHdM)
My ass.
Posted by: ErikW at August 21, 2011 11:52 AM (YONbC)
Posted by: Miserable Clusterfuck at August 21, 2011 11:52 AM (STTZD)
Posted by: No Whining at August 21, 2011 11:53 AM (P96Ug)
Sometimes I go outside late at night and turn the floods on and am astonished at the amount of shit in the air on 'cloudless' nights.
That's the steam coming off laceyunderalls.
Posted by: garrett at August 21, 2011 11:53 AM (DjlKT)
Ray Barboni: "That's what they say, huh? What a bunch of fuckin bullshit."
Posted by: Y-not at August 21, 2011 11:53 AM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Pirate Pelf Lucre at August 21, 2011 11:56 AM (wN82N)
Posted by: Y-not at August 21, 2011 11:56 AM (5H6zj)
Coal is the dirtiest of the fossil fuels, and even if you don't trust the Global warming scientists, why use what is guaranteed to pollute the earth?
Why can't the Republican party embrace the idea that we have to preserve the earth and stop doing so much damage to it and its innocent residents? You seem to think that we own the planet, that there are no other inhabitants with a stake in the earth's health and survival.
Green energy initiatives are the only way we are going to reach energy independence, and if some people have to swim in slightly cooler pools or not use their down comforters at night during the summer -- then so be it. But you all seem to be too selfish to appreciate that this is the only earth we have, and we are killing her!
You should be ashamed!
Posted by: Joe Shlabotnik's cock ring at August 21, 2011 11:56 AM (LH6ir)
When asked what she drives, "A mini Cooper, plenty of room for luggage, dogs, us." Anybody seriously believe her husband would drive a Mini Cooper, for any reason?
Posted by: Teachers at August 21, 2011 12:02 PM (GZitp)
Isn't her husband a Formula 1 driver? What kind of mileage do those cars get?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at August 21, 2011 12:04 PM (LH6ir)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at August 21, 2011 04:04
PM (LH6ir)
And Indy car, plus the article said he has twenty other cars in his collection. Yeah, he's driving a Mini Cooper alright.
Posted by: lowandslow at August 21, 2011 12:06 PM (GZitp)
Obama also hates black people. That's why he issued the EO stopping deportations of illegals and ordering ICE to give them shiny new green cards instead. He doesn't want any of those unemployed black kids to get jobs.
Si, se puede! -- right Barry? Yes we can ignore the U.S. constitution, especially when Barry's approval with hispanic voters had fallen from 85% to 45%. But now that they have what they wanted, they'll surely love you again, right Barry?
Posted by: AZC at August 21, 2011 12:14 PM (HFscI)
Posted by: JEA at August 21, 2011 12:20 PM (gb33I)
And all the utilities had to install electrostatic percipitators in coal plants to remove particulates. Now they want even more costly modifications on the old coal units knowing that the cost of the mods would be greater than the plants are worth, so the utilities will just shut them down.
And "your electricity costs will naturally sky-rocket".
Posted by: Vic at August 21, 2011 12:26 PM (M9Ie6)
Have you looked at your energy bills?
Dunce.
Posted by: that guy that doesn't read all the comments at August 21, 2011 12:27 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: buzzion at August 21, 2011 12:34 PM (GULKT)
"If the Left and their mouthpieces in the press are allowed to run ads and "news" stories portraying the Right pushing Granny off a cliff, then we need to be willing to muck it up with them."
WE CANNOT SINK TO THEIR LEVEL. MORAL HIGH GROUND!!!!!
Good heavens, I need a glass of chablis and a Jay Nordlinger article about classical music to calm down after such a rampant display of hooliganism.
Posted by: The GOP at August 21, 2011 12:53 PM (2xfbm)
Do people really think it coincidental that as energy production and usage increased over the last century life ballooned?
Posted by: kdny hates the greenies at August 21, 2011 04:17 PM (KxHDw)
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