1 Couple that with his watermelon views on energy (green on the outside, red on the inside) and you'd expect he'd be o.k. with prices necessarily skyrocketing.

Of course he would be - skyrocketing energy prices shackle everyone by forcing people into positions and places where they are more easily controlled (cities vs rural areas, "high-speed rail" vs automobiles, so on and so forth). 

2 So this post has been up over an hour?....and I'm first!

3

is it possible that our President is just doing the bidding of the Greens and isn't really interested in sound energy policy?

Who exactly are these people? Who are the Greens? I know they are really just communists but WHO are they? And where do they get their money? From us, right?

4 This bunch of fooking morons need to be tied to the prow of that icebreaker...

5 I am no longer surprised.

6 It really did say 6:05 pm before....I swear.

7 So what if higher fuel prices and covering debt by printing money out of thin air means your grocery bills are becoming insurmountable. You're all a bunch of blubbery fatasses anyway and it's YOUR fault that medical costs due to your gluttony are out of reach.

Please be sure to read our Living Section article on the struggles of SoHo couples who are stressed over how to stay green while making soy lattes before breakfast.

8 No offense to the patriotic morons and moronettes herein. Perhaps I should have referred to these administration hacks as cocksuckers or cockholsters, in keeping with the exceptional AOSHQ lifestyle/reputation...

9 Hell, I haven't been surprised in years. Not since the Marxist came to office.

10

Who are the Greens

The Sierra Club is one group I know of.

11 Remember. Oil and food prices are TRANSITORY, so there's no inflation.

Rising stock prices however are FOREVER.

I'm a genius, there's no inflation, and we're all gonna be rich!

12 Guvner Sally O'Malley (D)umb of Maryland is going to raise the gas tax and I am pretty sure the (D)umbasses in the legislature will go along with it.  I would move if I could sell my house.

13 Good morning Dearborn!1!!!1!111!

14 Interesting video. The industry giy was talking facts whle the green guy was talking Obamazombie talking points- not that there's anything wrong with that!

15 Who could have figured that Democrats would lie about their intentions?

16 Posted by: Truck Monkey at May 01, 2011 07:24 PM (yQWNf)

Arson and homeowners insurance is your friend.

17 You're NOT of the Body!

18 Hey now, Holger. Like my brother-in-law says, insurance companies don't pay for arson but they do pay for stupid.

19 I would move if I could sell my house.

move anyway!  when there's a will there's a way....

20 Homeowners insurance is a raquet.  I have been denied on two claims I have made in April.  It is a long story that I am not happy about.

21 >> So this post has been up over an hour?....and I'm first!

Heh. No, I still haven't figured out what time zone Pixy's server thinks it's in.

22 Where do you figure the oil companies will get the funds to pay the increased taxes? That is right, their customers.

23 Truck Monkey we could use you in a real swing state like Missouri or Ohio

24 So the Sierra Club is running US energy policy? Doesn't make sense.

25 Where do you figure the oil companies will get the funds to pay the increased taxes?

From their vast sums of HOARDED WEALTH that they have acquired from EXPLOITING THE CUSTOMER and RAPING THE EARTH!!11!!!!ELEVENTY!!!!!!

26 Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at May 01, 2011 07:28 PM (MyByM)

They'll pay for arson if they don't know its arson.

27

Earth First!

National Resources Defense Council

World Wildlife Foundation

The Sierra Club

Greenpeace

Tex Ritter.  Tex Ritter? And that's when I woke up......

28

Remember when Zero first got into the WH and the MSM were reporting on how HOT he liked it to be inside because Zero was from Hawaii?

Is it crazy to ask if Zero has turned the thermostat down now that electricity prices are starting to skyrocket?

29 What I would like to know is how much of those profits are due to Obama's inflationary weak dollar policy and his mid east policy of toppling "friendly" regimes in Egypt, starting a war in Libya, while ignoring a growing Iranian threat and their destabilizing effects on the region and the oil honey hole of Saudi Arabia?  Not to mention his policy of not expanding domestic production.  Barack Obama, demagogue in words, but big oil's best friend and the common mans worst enemy in practice

30 That was my point.

31 I know the names of the green "clubs" but they cannot as a lobby control the entire US economy. There just aren't that many of them.

32 Barack Obama, demagogue in words, but big oil's best friend and the common mans worst enemy in practice

Posted by: daveyardbird

A curious juxtaposition of populist sentiment and corporatist reality.  You may be on to something here, fella.  Wasn't "BP" a big contributor to the campaign to Win The Future, before we knew what the future could bring?

Que Sera, sera.

33 22 Where do you figure the oil companies will get the funds to pay the increased taxes? That is right, their customers.

I've tried explaining this same principle to several liberals as it applies to corporate taxes (i.e. corporations don't pay corporate taxes intimately, consumers do), but to no avail.  

34

Any Seattle morons or anyone else for that matter reading this.

DON'T GO TO THE SEATTLE TIMES WEBSITE. I GOT THE SAME VIRUS TWICE GOING THERE. IT'S AS INFECTED AS A NORTH AURORA WHORE.

STAY AWAY!

35 "Big Oil probably doesn't make much use of the depreciation schedules for the motion picture industry" Oh yeah. Let's go after those greedy, rich, white fatcats in the movie industry. Also, how about they close up the tax loopholes (shelters) , that Will Ferrell uses when he gets paid 20 million dollars for making a flop that aims its humor at the dumbest 25% of the population. How's this, a new tax law that will not allow any overpaid actor, rock star, or director, who is in favor of raising the income tax on the rich from sheltering their own ridiculously high incomes from taxes. Cause you know, they wouldn't want us to think they're hypocrites or anything. They're all about the giving. And being unselfish. So they would want to have that 20 million taxed at the highest rate evah.

36

Fuck it, I'm just going to start stealing gas.

I know where to go, golf courses typically have a pair of 500 gallon tanks, one gas, one diesel.

A bolt cutter will free them up.

37 >> Barky pretty much hates the Greens.  They are just more Westerners who chafe his third world ass.  But he likes to use the Greens as tools in the destruction of the West

There are days I think this is right and other days I think he's a prototypical "true believer" in the mold of ManBearPig or any of the other limousine lefties with a sasquatch-sized carbon footprint.

Who knows what this guy really believes (or believes in)?

38 Listen to that moron. He's claiming Exxon doesn't need these "subsidizes" because the middle and lower class is having a hard time. How the hell the does that even make sense to anyone? Why didn't Kudlow call him on such an asinine statement?

39 Umm, robtr, you seem awfully familiar with the infections of North Aurora whores. Must've missed that whole putting the condom on the banana thing in school. Or did you misunderstand and think it was really supposed to go on a banana.

40 There just aren't that many of them.

Posted by: dagny

Dagny dear, it is the intellectual interlock between Academia, the political front organizations such as Greenpeace, Earth First!, etc. and the placement of key people in the government and the Media that results in such things as the EPA tying Shell Oil in knots over the emissions from a tugboat exceeding the permit level for the drilling in the sea off the coast of Alaska.

Subsidies for wind turbine farms that lose money, forced obsolescence of incandescent bulbs for problematical Compact Flourescents with Mercury, low phosphate/no phosphate detergents that don't work too well.  And the list goes on.

The next target is natural gas well drilling in the Marcellus Shale and "frakking" water.  They (the Greens, for want of a better word), want to stop this DEAD.

It's a war, and you, me, and a lot of other people are the targets.  We will be forced by the rule of law to conform to the new reality. We'll all be poorer in the future and we will learn to like it.

41  Umm, robtr, you seem awfully familiar with the infections of North Aurora whores. Must've missed that whole putting the condom on the banana thing in school. Or did you misunderstand and think it was really supposed to go on a banana.

Posted by: nerdygirl at May 01, 2011 07:42 PM (1ckSh)

Well yeah, the bannana rotted anyway so it didn't work there either. 

42 Businesses don't pay taxes- their customers do.

Oh, they cut plenty of checks to tax and regulatory entities- and the money comes straight from their customers. Always have, always will.

43 Funny how no one is talking about inflation, OIL is traded solely in US dollars, Europeans, Russian, Chinese all need to convert their currency into dollars to buy oil, Cheap Dollars mean Cheaper Oil for them, Higher Prices For Us. 

44 Oh yeah. Let's go after those greedy, rich, white fatcats in the movie industry.

Why can't we do that?  They want to go after Big Oil - let us go after Big Hollywood.

45 I would like one person to ask a Congress critter what the government profit margin on a gallon of gas is versus the company that actually refines the gasoline.  There is very slim profit margin in refining. (3% -5% depending on the crack spread, which isn't as dirty as what you are thinking.) Policy sets the price of oil.  Obama's policy sucks.  Pretty much everything else is just vilification for political gain. 

46 What ever happened to the futures exchange they were gonna set up for films?  I was so looking forward to taking a short position in every single Kevin Costner movie

47 Heh. No, I still haven't figured out what time zone Pixy's server thinks it's in.
What continent are hamsters native to?

48 Why can't we do that?  They want to go after Big Oil - let us go after Big Hollywood.

Posted by: chemjeff at May 01, 2011 07:46 PM (QAJGa)

I am going after Big Bacon, what the hell is up with bacon prices? Other than bacon prices

49 Who knows what this guy really believes (or believes in)? -------------------------------- He believes in Obama. The thought process basically stops there.

50 The "green" network is so vast I don't know where to begin. How about the carbon credit scheme, remember CCX based in Chicago? The seed money came from the Joyce Foundation. I do believe Obama was affilliated with them.

51 (3% -5% depending on the crack spread, which isn't as dirty as what you are thinking.)

Believe me, the crack spread is larger than that.

52 We'll all be poorer in the future and we will learn to like it.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at May 01, 2011 07:43 PM (sJTmU)

Sounds like you've already learned to like it.

No fight left, huh?

53 We went up to Monroe for the sky valley bbq competition today (my son in law is in it)  and stopped by safeway to pick up some stuff. Gas was $3.91 there it's $4.05 at my house. I said cool when we get back I'll fill up. When I got back it was $3.99.

54 Soon all the old hippies will be burning out or continue to escape reality. Then the old punks will be in control of the country. Now if someone invents a Meth-lite drug they will slam dance a little longer, if not, their control will last only through the weekend and on Monday the old new wavers will have control. I predict that some old new waver will be our next president/the big cheese especially if you are lactose intolerant. How do you say The Big Cheese in Chinese? Da-gu do chee-zit.

55 $5.79 per gallon in Orlando, by the airport.

56 Oh yeah. Let's go after those greedy, rich, white fatcats in the movie industry.

And the NBA, NFL, etc.

*cries of "RAAAAAAAACISM!" in 3...2..1...*



The left loves any excuse it can find to raise taxes. Period.

Excuse?  The left lives, breathes, eats, shits, and fucks to raise taxes.  While avoiding paying them (legally or illegally) themselves, of course.

57 Gas is $3.65 in my town in Utah.

58 You're NOT of the Body!
Posted by: The Archons Resource Defense Council

Nice.

59 How about we denigrate and go after Big Academia? 

60 If you click the link from the bacon thread you will see that tripling the corn prices causes the other white meat prices to climb. Thanks ecotards.

61

Why can't we do that?  They want to go after Big Oil - let us go after Big Hollywood.

Yeh, Big Hollywood, Big Government, Big Journalism...

 

No, Andrew, I don't mean it that way...stop looking at me like that...

62

Dagny dear, it is the intellectual interlock between Academia, the political front organizations such as Greenpeace, Earth First!, etc. and the placement of key people in the government and the Media that results in such things as the EPA tying Shell Oil in knots over the emissions from a tugboat exceeding the permit level for the drilling in the sea off the coast of Alaska.

And the Courts.

However, I don't believe that any of these people BELIEVE this crap. It's a giant scheme. Sure some of the stupids believe it but there cannot seriously be a rational person who thinks it's a good idea to let people starve to preserve a snail darter, or that malaria should kill millions because of a fake book. It has to be an organized effort by something/someone of more substance. It's just too transparent a ruse.

63 Populist bilge. Bitchslapping any kind of big and powerful thing is supposed to make the little guy feel good.

64 Cut coryrights to 5 years. How long does big Pharma get before the generics come out?

65 How long does big Pharma get before the generics come out?

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at May 01, 2011 08:03 PM (qIHlG)

20 years

66 66 You realize people truly believe in Scientology?Yes,there are people who would rather humanity mostly die than ruin their winderful mother earth.

67 How about we denigrate and go after Big Academia?

Anti-intellectual McCarthyite!!1

68

You're NOT of the Body!

Cool! When's Festival?

69

Hey, it's almost Cinco de Cuatro.

Yaayyyyyyy

70

 If there's one thing Dave knows about, it's gas.

 

You have no idea...

71 It took a long time,but all the rots and cancers we allowed to grow in Academia,the government bureacracy etc. have finally reached the point where they are killing the body.We let it get built,one litle brick at a time.

72 Except McCarthy was right all along.

73

We went up to Monroe for the sky valley bbq competition today (my son in law is in it)  and stopped by safeway to pick up some stuff. Gas was $3.91 there it's $4.05 at my house. I said cool when we get back I'll fill up. When I got back it was $3.99

 

Wow!  We bought gas yesterday and it was $3.99.  This a.m., it was $4.05.  Thank you, Obama!  And thank you you 52% mofos!

How did your son in law do at the BBQ competition?  What did he make?

74 Drats, sock!

75 The official story of CCX here. http://tinyurl.com/3qvdvxz. The list of corporations who willingly jumped on the Carbon Credit / Global Warming scheme is huge.

76 I love the fact these dumb gits are focusing their wrath on an ice breaker when they have been bleating for years that AGW would melt the polar caps. Every time one of their stupid predictions is wrong, and they always are, they just moveon.org to the next dumbass prediction. Being a liberal means never having to be correct. About anything.

77 For minimum wage; at the time 1.60 an hour. For every hour I worked I could purchase 6 plus gallons of gasoline.
Then BIG GOVERNMENT came along to protect me from BIG OIL. Now, if I worked minimum wage I could purchase less then 2 gallons of gasoline for every hour I worked.

Simple fix, quadruple minimum wage.

78 81 Right.How do you win against such an opponent?

79

No fight left, huh?

Posted by: ErikW

Heavy sarcasm.  I'm mad as Hell and frankly ready to start....shopping for more firearms. I look at the ads in the Sunday paper for Vance's with more interest every week. 

Hope that remark doesn't get me banned.

 

It has to be an organized effort by something/someone of more substance. It's just too transparent a ruse.

Posted by: dagny

I really mean this, and am not trying to offend you personally,  when I say you couldn't be more wrong.  I deal with a lot of people that are "professionally" in the environmental business. There's a lot of sweet government money available, plus the appearance of getting lots of nice things said about you by "the right people".  It's not a ruse.  I wish I could repeat some of the stuff that I sometimes hear (I'm pretty forgetful these days as it is).  It's pretty amazing.

80 I wanna know when we're going to go after a naturally occurring greasy resource currently infesting our cities?

hippies.

they're covered in grease, they pollute every environment they inhabit by their mere presence, and they're easily rendered into the ultimate biofuel.

of course, we'll have to add some kind of patchoulie neutralizing chemical to the final product, but I figure with an aggressive ad campaign, we could put a serious dent in a number of problems facing the country.

81 I would like to call their bluff once on raising taxes - pass the Ryan budget and vote present on any Dim tax amendments to an accompanying tax bill.  Let them feel the electoral wrath - them repeal them all.

82

Well, where are all the media shills harping about high gas prices?  They screamed bloody murder, blaming GWB just a few years ago.  Why the silence now?  (And yeah, that's a rhetorical question!)

 

83 Posted by: runningrn at May 01, 2011 08:16 PM (ihSHD)

Running, they're out there talking up the good things that 4-5 dollar gas brings. I'm not kidding, I've seen several videos of these same suckers of cock citing the "silver lining" to high gas prices.

84 I just made two amazing bacon cheeseburgers for us.

And I'm going to down a glass of wine and crawl in bed and watch something trashy on TV, because I Just.Can't.Take.It.Anymore.

May as well die happy, with clogged arteries, than live to barely survive in the camps.

85 My niece is having a vegan wedding over Memorial Day. They don't want fresh flowers because Big Oil trucks them in. She is going to carry mushrooms.

86 How did your son in law do at the BBQ competition?  What did he make?

Posted by: Dave's Wife after Burrito Night at May 01, 2011 08:09 PM (ihSHD)

He got 4th out of 37 with his chili yesterday. They are having awards right now for what he cooked today.

They cooked brisket, pulled pork, chicken, salmon and chili.

I had the brisket, pulled pork and chicken when I was up there today it was all great, the chicken was the best I've had. He should do well with that.

That's a big deal up there, takes up the whole fair grounds. There were probably over 1,000 people there when I was there today.

87 90 My niece is having a vegan wedding over Memorial Day. They don't want fresh flowers because Big Oil trucks them in. She is going to carry mushrooms.

Posted by: jeannebodine at May 01, 2011 08:18 PM (nvlAW)

vegan, pagan, same thing. if that were me going, I'd bring a big ass bag full of burger king, and sit up wind of all of them where they could smell it.

88 Strikes me lately that if there weren't any BAD news, there'd BE no news. So if it's all gonna come down around us, could we get started with it? I gots lots of interesting things to do, and waiting for the Apocalypse is kinda boring.

89 She is going to carry mushrooms.

She can save herself some money and just put some of her toejam on a stick and carry that - and it's natural!!!!

90

Wow!  This is epic!  Your feel good story for the day!  Some sources were predicting crowds of 50,000 for the May Day Rally in L.A. today.  Sadly, something happened along the way (From HA):

An estimated 50,000 people are expected to march through downtown Los Angeles for immigration reform on Sunday, marking May Day.

The march and rally aim for full legalization. Two marches are scheduled with one starting at noon and the other at 12:30 p.m.

The message participants want to relay is for the government to create a path to citizenship for the millions of undocumented people already in the U.S.

Reality check:

There were American flags, union banners and vendors hawking treats such as ice cream and hot dogs wrapped in bacon.

But what was missing from this year's May Day march on a crystal-clear Sunday morning were the crowds.

By 10 a.m. only a few hundred immigrant rights and labor activists had gathered at Broadway and Olympic Boulevard in downtown Los Angeles to rally public support for legislation that would legalize the nation's 11 million illegal immigrants.

"It's really sad," Luis Ortiz, an ice cream vendor who has been coming to the rallies for the last 15 years, said of the small turnout. "I've sold very little, almost nothing."

 

So could we infer from Mr. Ortiz that it was the smallest crowd in history?  Thank you Obama!

91 My niece is having a vegan wedding over Memorial Day. They don't want fresh flowers because Big Oil trucks them in. She is going to carry mushrooms.

Posted by: jeannebodine at May 01, 2011 08:18 PM (nvlAW)

Bwahahahahahaha oh no hahahaahahahaha fuck me hahahahaha.

Sorry, i am sure you love her but I just couldn't help it.

92 92 90 My niece is having a vegan wedding over Memorial Day. They don't want fresh flowers because Big Oil trucks them in. She is going to carry mushrooms.
Posted by: jeannebodine at May 01, 2011 08:18 PM (nvlAW)

I wouldn't even bother to attend.  I'd send a crate of compost as a gift.

93 I understand 7 oil platforms left the Gulf and are enroute to Brazil. THEY can drill using money Preznit gave them. Of course that money had to be borrowed from China first.

94 robtr that's great news

95 I get what dagny is saying, from that POV none of this makes any sense, there has to be a hidden motive or hidden power.

But your POV is not their POV. The people "behind" this want certain things, not the same as you want. Hell, they'll say it if you listen long enough. And no, it doesn't make any sense, but they're willing to struggle and strive and die (or more likely make you die) to achieve it.

They never will achieve it, because it doesn't make any sense. But they'll wreck everything in their path in the process of failing as usual.

That's why they went after academia and the press first, and tried to push everyone else out (with great success), because if they could take over the language and stop people talking about how the always fail, maybe they can get away with it.

I know the reasons why we haven't "fixed" those problems, they're myriad. But we had damned well better or we're all going to lose.

That's the sad irony of the situation - we're trying to save both of us. They (sometimes) think the same thing, but they've been wrong every time so far.

96 And I'm going to down a glass of wine and crawl in bed and watch something trashy on TV, because I Just.Can't.Take.It.Anymore. Jane D'oh The bulk of trash content is Full in Operation Repo. 2 questions; 1. What trash program do you watch? 2.What are you wearing?

97 My niece is having a vegan wedding over Memorial Day. They don't want fresh flowers because Big Oil trucks them in. She is going to carry mushrooms.

Posted by: jeannebodine at May 01, 2011 08:18 PM (nvlAW)

 

Yeah, it will be a bummer when some of her guests smoke them before the ceremony. 

98

Posted by: runningrn at May 01, 2011 08:22 PM (ihSHD)

That brought a tear to my eye.

99 Maybe she can have tea at the reception.

100

He got 4th out of 37 with his chili yesterday. They are having awards right now for what he cooked today.

They cooked brisket, pulled pork, chicken, salmon and chili.

I had the brisket, pulled pork and chicken when I was up there today it was all great, the chicken was the best I've had. He should do well with that.

That's a big deal up there, takes up the whole fair grounds. There were probably over 1,000 people there when I was there today.

 

Wow!  That's awesome!  Very cool!  That sounds like a great turnout too! 

101 2 questions;
1. What trash program do you watch?
2.What are you wearing?

Lol.  A t-shirt

and I'm watching the Real Hos of New Jersey or something.  After days and hours of news shows, I need something to remind me my life is better than those bitches.

Plus, I have a dental appt. tomorrow afternoon I'm dreading.  He (the dentist) has promised me nice drugs.  So there's that.

102 97 My niece is having a vegan wedding over Memorial Day. They don't want fresh flowers because Big Oil trucks them in. She is going to carry mushrooms.
I wouldn't even bother to attend.  I'd send a crate of compost as a gift.

Your right, sometimes a little public ridicule should be in order for something that asinine. I'm serious, maybe that would make them think a little bit.

103 VDH has a column over at PJM that will make you feel better.Also angry and depressed but that's the way things are these days.

104

Wow!  That's awesome!  Very cool!  That sounds like a great turnout too! 

Posted by: runningrn at May 01, 2011 08:25 PM (ihSHD)

Yeah it was, it was gorgeous up there too today, perfect weather and the snow covered mountains in the background.

105 Is your niece Amy Carter?  *ducks*

106 I am wearing Lady GaGa's dress and my husband is going to sell ka-bobs out of the trunk of our car at the reception for cash only. Vegans are the worst of the worst.

107 sock off

108

But what was missing from this year's May Day march on a crystal-clear Sunday morning were the crowds.

 

So I guess they can't blame the weather.  You know like the bad weather that caused higher unemployment claims.  (Unless, I suppose you say that people didn't come because the weather was too nice!)

Maybe there aren't even 11 million illegal aliens in the U.S. any more.  They could see the writing on the wall and headed for greener pastures, like Canada!

109 O/T:  Caps finally score.  Their game vs the Lightning has been teh suck so far, especially compared to yesterday's Bruins game.

110

Yeah it was, it was gorgeous up there too today, perfect weather and the snow covered mountains in the background.

 

Today is one of those gloriously sunny, beautiful days that makes me so grateful to live in the gorgeous PNW.  For sure!  I'm glad you were able to get out and enjoy the sunshine!

111 Here is a nice warm cup of Oxycodone Soup with sprinklings of oxymorphone. Now!, what are you wearing?

112 We attended a Messianic Jews for Jesus wedding of some sort a few years back.  I'm still recovering from the weird redneck "rabbi" and his hooker-looking wife.

The reception was dry, except for all the cars in the parking lot set up as bars. 

Most surreal wedding ever.

113 They could see the writing on the wall and headed for greener pastures, like Canada!

Posted by: runningrn at May 01, 2011 08:29 PM (ihSHD)

nah, the only way they could get into canada is if they were dodging the draft.

114 HIGH SPEED RAIL!!!!

TWENTY YEARS FROM NOW!!!!

IN THE MEANTIME TRADE IN CAR FOR ONE POWERED WITH MUSHROOMS!!!!

Surely we cannot lose to this guy again.

115 "How long does big Pharma get before the generics come out?

20 years"

Yes and no.   The initial patent term on a new drug substance is 20 years but well over half of that time is typically consumed by the lengthy clinical trials and FDA approval process that must occur before the drug can be sold.   A drug company can file for a patent extension but the extension is only for half of the time lost waiting for regulatory approval, and gives a maximum of 14 years exclusivity (and typically less than that) from the time the drug is finally approved.  

116 I can't wait for 2012! My kids' future depends on a change.

117 I try to explain to people that there isn't even a point to corporate taxes at all, unless it's to try to make them do one thing over another.

*We* the customers pay all those taxes. Every penny.

Increase their taxes, increase our prices. It's a huge middle-class tax increase.

And at least half the people have *no* idea that this is the case. The think that corporate executives pay it out of pocket, if they think about it at all.

I argued the point with one liberal who finally had to admit that they would raise taxes on everyone *but* the oil companies, especially the poor who pay a higher share of their incomes for food and transportation, rather than allow a *perception* that corporations were getting away tax-free.

They were *proud* of the position, they claimed, after having been forced into it. They didn't really want to discuss the part where they were punishing the poor so they could *feel* better.

It's not just a stereotype, liberals' feelings are more important to them than the suffering of the poor.

Their very existence is a lie. And because there are so damned many of them, we can't just ignore their craziness.

Seriously, how did we get here? No wonder we're always blowing each other up, we humans. You'll hardly find anyone who won't claim half of us are crazy. Looks like it's true, too.

118 For minimum wage; at the time 1.60 an hour. For every hour I worked I could purchase 6 plus gallons of gasoline.
Then BIG GOVERNMENT came along to protect me from BIG OIL. Now, if I worked minimum wage I could purchase less then 2 gallons of gasoline for every hour I worked.

Simple fix, quadruple minimum wage.

Posted by: the liberal mind at May 01, 2011 08:12 PM (GZitp)

Alternate fix: quit your job. That way, you don't need to drive to work in the first place.

119 this is all so dumb.
what we need is more gaia-raping, not less.
why can't these idiots see this?  (and I mean Republicans as well as Democrats)
as we know, when the tables were turned in 2007-08, Democrats bleated non-stop about "windfall profit taxes" as their 'solution' for high gas prices
why aren't our guys doing some non-stop bleating of their own about drilling for oil.  It should be at the top of every press release sent out by every Republican on any issue.
Sigh.  party of stupid indeed.

120 btw, I hate the NRDC with the heat of a million Foreman grills (i.e. with such a perfect hatred).  Alas, they seem to have corrupted one of my best friends. 

121 127 btw, I hate the NRDC with the heat of a million Foreman grills (i.e. with such a perfect hatred).  Alas, they seem to have corrupted one of my best friends. 

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at May 01, 2011 08:37 PM (c0A3e)

How?

122
I love this for cmdr fuckstick:

under my plan of cap n trade system electricity rate would necessarily skyrocket.

25 cents per kilowatthour will complement 5 dollar gas perfectly.

123 On the plus side of it, her fiance had his tubes tied at 16 because of over-population. And because of The Lorax (according to him).

124 Surely we cannot lose to this guy again.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 01, 2011 08:32 PM (7utQ2)

Wanna bet? Judging from the current stable of hope-to-be-Presidential-hopefuls, our best hope for the future rests in the actual existence of human-abducting UFO's.

125   In the midst of all this I have something to say that I truly believe, and it is this--America has had a history of having the right person for the right time,in any given situation, throughout our history. Even a cursory glance back in time will show this.

 I firmly believe that will hold true now.   The turmoil we are now experiencing can be seen as an example of the path NOT to be followed.  We WILL conquer this, because we are Americans. It's in our genes.

  So y'all can laugh, deride or applaud, doesn't matter. All I know is that this storm cannot last. And I'll be playing my small part to make things better until I physically can do no more.

126 stupid sock

127 By the way, when The Left demonizes Big Oil, they forget Petey bowed to the Saudi king, and big oil doesn't get much bigger than that.

128 It's not just a stereotype, liberals' feelings are more important to them than the suffering of the poor.

How To Become A Liberal

Step 1: Search your feelings for what you think would be "the most fair".
Step 2: Find other liberals who also share the same belief.
Step 3: Find liberal professors who cite half-baked theories and misleading statistics to support your feelings
Step 4: Argue with conservatives that your position is "fact-based" (see Step 3) and "has the support of the people" (see Step 2)
Step 5: Dismiss any objections as being based in nothing but ignorance, bigotry and racism
Step 6: Feel good and proud of yourself for being so smugly superior to the rest of the world

129 130 On the plus side of it, her fiance had his tubes tied at 16 because of over-population. And because of The Lorax (according to him).

Posted by: jeannebodine at May 01, 2011 08:39 PM (nvlAW)

Well, even if she thought she could have a Lorax's baby, which she can't, she could use protection. Or just say no.

Damn those randy Loraxes.

On a serious note, at least she won't be passing those genes on to children.

130 129
I love this for cmdr fuckstick:

under my plan of cap n trade system electricity rate would necessarily skyrocket.

25 cents per kilowatthour will complement 5 dollar gas perfectly.

Don't forget, he (pbuh) "likes it warm, because he's from Hawaii."  So fuck the rest of us who bundle up in sweaters during the winter.  I'll bet he's got the thermostat on 65 during the summer. 

I hope he chokes on a big-assed piece of wagyu beef. 

131 The "sweet govt money" makes sense. I just don't believe that the elite are the mushroom carrying types. I think it's more nefarious than that. They want to change the world order and are using environmentalism to do it.

132

56 We went up to Monroe for the sky valley bbq competition today

 

hey!! I have family in Monroe   : )

133 Damn those randy Loraxes.

It's not just Thneeds that every girl needs!

(You know why they call him The Onceler, right?)

134 133 In the midst of all this I have something to say that I truly believe, and it is this--America has had a history of having the right person for the right time,in any given situation, throughout our history. Even a cursory glance back in time will show this.

Posted by: irongrampa at May 01, 2011 08:39 PM (ud5dN)

Obama was not the right person for 2008. Pelosi and Reid were not the right people for 2006.

I can offer a couple billion reasons why...

We are *special*. This should not lead us to act as if we were *invincible*, the two words are not synonyms.

135 How?

I wish I knew, Mrs. D'oh.  When we were in high school, we used to lambaste the enviro-tards, particularly the one Earth Science teacher who used an usually cold winter to "prove" that global warming is occurring.  

I noticed this on his FB account when he "liked" several particularly nutty postings from the NRDC.  *sighs*.  The only reason I got an FB account was to keep track of him and now because of it, I'm kinda forced to see that garbage. 

136

Posted by: The Lorax at May 01, 2011 08:44 PM (0vDuM)

You bastid!  Die!  Scourge it with fire!

/I made-up The Thorax, a lumberjack's best friend. 

137 Each time I fill up I am leaving a nobama card.

Any morons use octane boost to make up for missing hp due to ethanol?

138 143 How?

I wish I knew, Mrs. D'oh.  When we were in high school, we used to lambaste the enviro-tards, particularly the one Earth Science teacher who used an usually cold winter to "prove" that global warming is occurring.  

I noticed this on his FB account when he "liked" several particularly nutty postings from the NRDC.  *sighs*.  The only reason I got an FB account was to keep track of him and now because of it, I'm kinda forced to see that garbage.

That's too bad.  Any chance of saving his ass from his own stupidity?  (Alas, my best friend voted for Barky, simply because of her hatred for McCain.  Yeah, she regrets it.  Now.)

139 so then who is going to be the Savior of the Republic in 2012?  Romney?  Palin?  Huckabee?  oh please
not even Ryan is really up to the task - he is a numbers guy, not a visionary leader.
  I think we're boned, honestly.

140 139 The "sweet govt money" makes sense. I just don't believe that the elite are the mushroom carrying types. I think it's more nefarious than that. They want to change the world order and are using environmentalism to do it.

Posted by: dagny at May 01, 2011 08:43 PM (XXFBW)

The Sierra Club isn't run by hippies chanting in the woods, it's run by rich lawyers.

There's a fairly even split - at the top - between cynical wealth-grabbing lawyers who want to GET RICH NOW and fire-breathing ideologues who want to make everyone bend to their will.

The mushy middle are the muddle-thinking liberals who want a 3000-ft exclusion radius around each speckle spotted leaping lizard or to squeeze all the carbon out of the air so the plants will choke and die.

I've worked with these people, I'm not guessing.

Most of the donors are simply not willing to think complex thoughts. They won't do it, they just do "what they're supposed to."

141 Any morons use octane boost to make up for missing hp due to ethanol?

Posted by: sTevo at May 01, 2011 08:47 PM (VMcEw)

I thought ethanol was an octane boost?

142 I think it's more nefarious than that. They want to change the world order and are using environmentalism to do it. Posted by: dagny DING! read up on Agenda 21

143 Yeah, I can hook you up with some bacon. Hickory, maple, you name it. What? Gasoline? Man, do I look like I can walk on water?

144 Most of the donors are simply not willing to think complex thoughts. They won't do it, they just do "what they're supposed to."

You are right - they donate money to Sierra Club because "the environment is under assault" and of course Sierra Club is a stand-in for the environment, in their view

145 That's too bad.  Any chance of saving his ass from his own stupidity?

I hope so.  I don't get to talk to him much these days - perhaps when he gets done with school this year I can arrange a little intervention for him. 

146

hey!! I have family in Monroe   : )

Posted by: The Great Satan's Ghost at May 01, 2011 08:43 PM (08Pe

that's a pretty town and setting up there. They are lucky as long as they don't have to try and drive into town in the morning for work.

147 The counterpoint on this should be that if the "subsidies" are removed from gas and oil, they should be returned to the people as a tax break to help us buy gas at the pump. That means a direct reduction in gas taxes by an equal amount.

148 http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/10/un_agenda_21_coming_to_a_neigh.html

149
  So think nice thoughts, good people.  I got grandkids to spoil tonite.


   Have an excellent evening.

150 Any morons use octane boost to make up for missing hp due to ethanol?

Posted by: sTevo at May 01, 2011 08:47 PM (VMcEw)

20% Toluene.

Raises octane rating about 44 points - i.e. from 91 octane to 93.4

151 ethanol is an octane boost. Pure ethanol is 113 Octane.

152 So would it make any difference if these were crotchless Gnome underpants?

153 Propane is an octane booster. They make injection kits (like nitrous) for diesel trucks.

Not much point unless you add oxygen, so either with a turbo or nitrous.

154 Pay attention to a couple of things when the Natural Resources Defense Council spokestool is talking. First, he sounds amazingly like Obama - is it possible that our President is just doing the bidding of the Greens and isn't really interested in sound energy policy? Nahhhh ... couldn't be - that's just crazy talk, I know. Also, notice how the NRDC guy flat-out lies about that Shell icebreaker. Again, he reminds me of Obama. ===== Unfortunately, one of my favorite shows -- How I Met Your Mother -- has a main storyline regarding this crap. Marshall is a lawyer, but wants to work to 'save the planet' at the NRDC. But it doesn't pay enough, so he goes to work for an 'evil corporation' first. But now the storyline is turning towards him leaving the 'evil corporation' and going to 'save the planet' at the NRDC.

155 Any morons use octane boost to make up for missing hp due to ethanol

You want hp? There's still no replacement for displacement.

156 So do the eco-wackos still support this idiot?

157 >>I thought ethanol was an octane boost?

I sort of know that and should have stated it differently. I guess I am looking for the magic elixir to restore the power that ethanol seems to rob.

Stretching mileage by two gallons per fill up affords $8.00 of juice.

158 I sort of know that and should have stated it differently. I guess I am looking for the magic elixir to restore the power that ethanol seems to rob.

Stretching mileage by two gallons per fill up affords $8.00 of juice.

Posted by: sTevo at May 01, 2011 09:10 PM (VMcEw)

I'm not a scientist but from what I have been told gasoline has more calories than alchohol so it delivers more mpg than alcohol does. It's denser, alcohol has more octane though. that's why they use it in dragsters.

159 Posted by: sTevo at May 01, 2011 09:10 PM (VMcEw) Ethanol might be an octane booster.but the key issue to me is that Gasoline (1 US gallon) has 114,000 BTU/gal Ethanol fuel (E100)1.500 has 76,100 BTU/gal Basically ethanol of any flavor/composition sucks.

160 Besides being lower in BTU output, ethanol is damaging to fuel lines and injectors. So if your car wasn't designed with ethanol in mind, it's best to fill up at the places that use no ethanol. Shell is one that only uses gasoline.

161 139 The "sweet govt money" makes sense. I just don't believe that the elite are the mushroom carrying types. I think it's more nefarious than that. They want to change the world order and are using environmentalism to do it.

Posted by: dagny at May 01, 2011 08:43 PM (XXFBW)

Bingo- see 

http://discoverthenetworks.org/

162 Shell is one that only uses gasoline.
Posted by: Owen

This is good to know. I will go 2 miles out of my way to fill up and see if I can tell the difference.

163 look at the date this agency came into existance. http://tinyurl.com/43wr3nu. Of course Petey appointed his buddies to run it. The mbm doesn't talk about this stuff. Why?

164 Stretching mileage by two gallons per fill up affords $8.00 of juice.

Posted by: sTevo at May 01, 2011 09:10 PM (VMcEw)

Oh, so you want mileage. You asked for octane.

Proper tune-up, as lean as your engine will reliably stand. *If* you use high octane fuel you *can* tune the engine leaner and get more mpg, but you have to re-tune.

If you're technical enough you can DIY a solution for a few hundred #. Search online for SAFC or Super Air Fuel Controller. it's the cheapest (AFAICT) proper ratio controller, they're used on a lot of modern cars for a performance boost, but you can also use it to tune for mileage.

They work best with a wideband O2 meter, but that's $$$.

There are *real* tricks to save mileage, but most of them take more work than sticking a gadget on your gas line.

165 Shell is forced to use 10% ethanol in a number of states, including Ohio, that require it. They are trying to make 15% the new standard. This will not only cost the government more in subsidies, it will probably damage a lot of small engines-not to mention older cars.