1
Fire 'em.

2 One should keep in mind that until JFK came along public service (federal) unions were illegal.

We need to get back to that.

3 Look at the squishy USA Today article re polling results.

4
speaking of filthy Lutherans...

What's this?

The Catholic church ordained a married priest. He's married to a nun, btw.

5
Send the pink slip Gov, and watch the recriminations begin.

You dirty rat........

6

And imagine my reaction hearing on L.A.'s KFI this morning that Bernard Parks former L.A. police chief is collecting over 200K in retirement and another 170K plus as a council member. 

 

7 The constant class warfare by the dems is finally biting them in the ass.

All these news stories about $85k  a year public sector jobs have made them the target of those that make less.

8

We're a one income family who hasn't seen a pay raise in 3 years. Yet the cost of living expenses has risen dramatically.

I have no sympathy for public sector unions and despise the politicians that, for years, have caved in to their demands.

9
Private sector unions are concerned there may be spill over from the public unions butt thumping's, and they could be next.

Sounds like a plan to me.  Yo, Government Motors, drop your socks and grab your cocks 'cus your next.

10 The Catholic church ordained a married priest. He's married to a nun, btw.

Posted by: Soothsayer, Republican Whip at February 22, 2011 03:09 PM (uFokq)

Not the first time. Married Anglican priests who become Catholic can stay married (just can't re-marry). I say it's high time. Priests need loving too.

11 And imagine my reaction hearing on L.A.'s KFI this morning that Bernard Parks former L.A. police chief is collecting over 200K in retirement and another 170K plus as a council member. We have a state full of those stories. Makes ya wanna pay more in taxes, donut?

12 No Godzirra?

13 4
speaking of filthy Lutherans...

What's this?

The Catholic church ordained a married priest. He's married to a nun, btw.

Posted by: Soothsayer, Republican Whip at February 22, 2011 03:09 PM (uFokq)

I assume that they were married prior to taking vows.

14 Fuck the Poor! Public Sector Unions!

15
Walker needs to select a few individuals and vilify them. Names and faces.

"This is so-and-so, the head of the teacher's union. He wants to take money from your paycheck and put it into his pocket."

16 Greed.  It's what's for dinner.

17 This is the perfect time for the GOP to cave. Maybe McCain can come to wisconsin and make a gang of 14 there.

18 Posted by: journolist at February 22, 2011 03:10 PM (iHfo1)

Pension payments (for Govt. Employees) should be forfeited if there is another source of income for as long as that other income source is available.

Wanna be a councilman?  Fine, you're giving up your pension for that amount of time.  No double-dipping.

Though, I'm sorry to see us losing the battle over the terms of the debate.  The law (as I understand it) does not limit their rights to bargain collectively for salaries, only for benefits/pensions.  However, the MBM has quite successfully dropped that to the shorthand "Prohibit collective bargaining."

19
Converts. I don't know her story, but I assume she's also a convert.

20

We're a one income family who hasn't seen a pay raise in 3 years. Yet the cost of living expenses has risen dramatically.

Just wait til you go to a gas station. My bet is that gas is at 4 bucks a gallon by march, especially if Libya goes into a protracted civil war.

21
Any Republican who caves on the collective bargaining issue will be looking for a job.  Thump 'um hard!

22
If You Can Make A Silly Protest Sign
Thank a Teacher

23 Union solidarity is a myth.

24

Just wait til you go to a gas station. My bet is that gas is at 4 bucks a gallon by march, especially if Libya goes into a protracted civil war.

Posted by: Ben at February 22, 2011 03:15 PM (wuv1c)

Gas is $4.09 in LA for regular!

25 "Public-sector unions? Are you fucking kidding me?" (July 4th 1827, 19th fairway, Camp David golf course)

26

And imagine my reaction hearing on L.A.'s KFI this morning that Bernard Parks former L.A. police chief is collecting over 200K in retirement and another 170K plus as a council member. 

Worth. Every. Penny.

27 Makes ya wanna pay more in taxes, donut?

Posted by: fluffy, Masshole at February 22, 2011 03:12 PM (4Kl5M)

< This stuff is unbelievable, even more so is their insolence. 

28 But who will make sure we can't be fired or paid less despite being unable or unwilling to do our jobs properly?

29 No Idiots No Bumper Stickers

30
After killing the public sector unions, our next task men is to annihilate the serial prevaricating liberal media, including NPR and Okra!

31 Just wait til you go to a gas station. My bet is that gas is at 4 bucks a gallon by march, especially if Libya goes into a protracted civil war.

Even higher if Iran decides to use Hezbollah to start a conflict with Israel.

Those Iranian ships aren't carrying party favors to Lebanese children. 

32

Ha. According to Gallup, 61% oppose Walker's collective bargaining bill. I doubt more than 23% of Americans know what that is, and it is all depended on how the questions were asked. Walker won an election last november on a union busting platform. Which poll do we take seriously.

Does anyone have a link to the GOP senators btw? I can't find them and I do want to call them to teall them to stay strong.

33 Posted by: International Brotherhood of the Lazy and Incompetent at February 22, 2011 03:17 PM (c45xH)

No problem there, just get the APA to define Laziness and Incompetence as mental disorders, and then you'll either be protected by the Americans with Disabilities Act, or be able to draw Disability.  See?  Easy-peasy.

34

Folks, I know I sound like a broken record but please... prepare for the worst. Go out and buy some silver.  Silver one ounce rounds or bars.  And bags of junk silver i.e. coinage minted before 1965.  And have strong mental attitudes because what is coming ain't good.

 

35 I wish I fucking had a job. Fucking unions throwing a hissy fit over getting a small taste of the shit sandwich other people have had to eat.

36 Amazing the great recession comes back to bite the dems in the ass...again. I've often wondered at the real cause of that crash so coincidentally timed for October of an election year. Some people have such a problem anticipating unintended consequences. I have a secret mirth every time the recession takes another hunk of dem ass.

37

But who will make sure we can't be fired or paid less despite being unable or unwilling to do our jobs properly?

Posted by: International Brotherhood of the Lazy and Incompetent at February 22, 2011 03:17 PM (c45xH)

Hey asshole, you're encroaching on our trade.

38 I despise the public employee unions, most especially the teachers.  They have used mob tactics over the years, like strikes leaving kids out of school for weeks at a time, coercion, etc. to boost their bennies and pay, and paid off politicians at the state level to grant them those benefits.

But.  This would not be a problem (or as large a problem as it is) if state governments (mostly Dem, but surely some Repub too) hadn't been dipping into those pension funds all these years.  Many years, they simply chose not to fund their portion of the promised funds.

So, while I have no love for public unions or their members, this can really all be laid at the feet of state politicians who promised them benefits but figured their Ponzi scheme would last longer than it has.

We should all be working at putting federal pension laws in place that do not allow public pensions to be raided or not funded.  It is against the law for a private employer not to fund his/her pension plan.  It should be the same for states.

Democrats have been spending more than the revenues coming in for a lot longer than we have known.  Now, when it comes to pay the piper, the taxpayers are going tobe stuck with the bill.  Well, screw that!

39 Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 22, 2011 03:21 PM (f9c2L)

How about we simplify that by making Government-held pensions illegal?  Make them have the pension be administered by some third (and, preferably, out-of-state) party?

Then, that third party can just shut down the pension if it doesn't get funded one year, and they'll have their fiduciary responsibility to their stock-holders to do business properly so they don't run out of money when people start retiring.

40 No problem there, just get the APA to define Laziness and Incompetence as mental disorders, and then you'll either be protected by the Americans with Disabilities Act, or be able to draw Disability.  See?  Easy-peasy.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at February 22, 2011 03:20 PM (8y9MW)

I don't know...that sounds kind of like work.

41 My husband's best friend is a school treasurer.

He has always said that the reason schools suck and yet we pay out the wazoo to 'educate' our kids is.......the NEA.

15 years ago a teacher could make okay money, but to make more they had to do more (coach, tutor, clean the schools, etc.) Now, they make double and do nothing but teach their class.

Most unions make sure that 'teachers aren't responsible for keeping their own classrooms clean, decorated, stocked' in their contracts.

42 Posted by: Roman Senator at February 22, 2011 03:13 PM (9+c/Y)

I've got a Beer and Superbowls plan that ought to keep them quiet enough.

43 Wall Street banksters took the country down for TRILLIONS$$$$ and the public is blaming...unions.

44 Posted by: AllenG
-------
Yeah.. something along those lines needs to be done.

Personally, I would fund an annuity managed by some third party.. let's say Fidelity or one of those big ones..  Those things are based on actual contributions and gains/losses.  Whatever is left when you retire, you can start pulling out.  Fuck this shit that the taxpayers gotta come up with whatever shortfalls there are.

45 Posted by: International Brotherhood of the Lazy and Incompetent at February 22, 2011 03:24 PM (c45xH)

Naaa... just ask politely.  They like doing that kind of crap.

46 Wall Street banksters Democrat flunkies took the country down for TRILLIONS$$$$ and the public is blaming...unions. Democrat flunkies

FIFY

47
Wall Street banksters Barney Fag and Franklin Raines took the country down for TRILLIONS$$$$ and the public is blaming...unions.

Posted by: torabora at February 22, 2011 03:25 PM (/d8Og)

48 >>So, while I have no love for public unions or their members, this can really all be laid at the feet of state politicians who promised them benefits but figured their Ponzi scheme would last longer than it has. The public unions and the politicians are really one organism. Almost exclusively democrat politicians. That's why the dems are fighting this so hard. It has nothing to do with fairness or workers rights it has to do with the circular funding game that has been going on between the dems and their unions supporters for decades and both sides see the end coming. Last year public unions spend $200 million dollars on state and federal elections, 99% of which went to dems. Dems return the favor by increasing gov't hiring, funneling stimulus money, handing them GM and Chrysler, and continuing the absurd pay and benefit escalations which in turn grow the pool of union funds to be spend on favored donkey politicians. This is no trivial battle going on in WI and beginning in other states like IN. This is about fundamentally altering the way gov't has been elected and run over the last 5 decades. You can tell how important it is by the panic on the left.

49 Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 22, 2011 03:26 PM (f9c2L)

That's the apparent theory behind so-called "defined contribution" pension plans.  You put in X amount, and we'll pay out based on how well we did.  More or less.

My problem is that, as far as I know, that money is still held by the Govt. and can be raided whenever they want.  If you made it an independent 3rd party, you wouldn't fix all of it, but you'd make the corruption a little more difficult.

Personally, I'd rather just keep that 12 - 20% of my paycheck.  With that, I can invest in whatever IRA sheltered account I want and probably do better than most 401(k) plans that are offered.

50

Wall Street banksters took the country down for TRILLIONS$$$$ and the public is blaming...unions.

torabora.

Wall Street, Big government and Big union helped fleece us of trillions. They're one and the same.

51 Someone is fucking with our high speed gravy train. Help us Obarky-Won, you're our only hope.

52 The public unions and the politicians are really one organism. Almost exclusively democrat politicians. That's why the dems are fighting this so hard. It has nothing to do with fairness or workers rights it has to do with the circular funding game that has been going on between the dems and their unions supporters for decades and both sides see the end coming.

This, this, and only this.

Kill it with fire.  It's criminal conspiracy.

53 50

Wall Street banksters took the country down for TRILLIONS$$$$ and the public is blaming...unions.

torabora.

Wall Street, Big government and Big union helped fleece us of trillions. They're one and the same.

Posted by: Ben at February 22, 2011 03:32 PM (wuv1c)

You forgot my brother-in-law Fred.

54

C'mon, torabora.  Just say it, you know you want to....

"I BLAME CHIMPY McHALLIBU$HITLER!!!11!1!111!1!!!1!"

55
The Catholic church ordained a married priest. He's married to a nun, btw.

Posted by: Soothsayer, Republican Whip at February 22, 2011 03:09 PM (uFokq)

After several years every married man thinks he's married to a nun.

56
Should I thump Torabora?

57 55
The Catholic church ordained a married priest. He's married to a nun, btw.

Posted by: Soothsayer, Republican Whip at February 22, 2011 03:09 PM (uFokq)

After several years every married man thinks he's married to a nun.

Posted by: Quilly Mammoth at February 22, 2011 03:36 PM (uloio)

or stumbled into a bad Nick Cage movie about bees.

58

After several years every married man thinks he's married to a nun.

Posted by: Quilly Mammoth at February 22, 2011 03:36 PM (uloio)

Yea, I haven't had a blowjob in 38 years.

59 Most unions make sure that 'teachers aren't responsible for keeping their own classrooms clean, decorated, stocked' in their contracts.

Honestly, I think students should be required to clean their own school every day.  Require them to dust, vacuum, sweep and mop, and clean the bathrooms.  Janitors should focus on groundskeeping and building repair.

60

My bet is that gas is at 4 bucks a gallon by march, especially if Libya goes into a protracted civil war.

It'll be over $5 in NYC by then.

61

I have only a little problem with the trade unions. If they demand too much and the management gives in, the business fails. Self leveling, if you ask me. Where it becomes an issue is when:

A.) You're required to join a union to be employed. In this country, you have the right to associate with whomever you choose. You also (should) have the right to NOT associate. Right to work is the only moral way to go.

B.) Your union drives the company into the ground and the government comes in and bails you out, screwing the owners and the taxpayer. (That's what's called win-win in union / socialist circles.)

Most union slugs fail to realize that the company only has x amount they can spend on a given worker. If you want to send part of that amount to the UAW, the IBEW, SEIU, or whatever, be my guest. The money doesn't magically appear just because you want to pay dues and have one of their people represent you when you get caught smoking dope on your lunch break.

So while I think that trade unions are generally a bad idea, hey, it's America. You have the right to be watch reality TV, play the lottery, drink cheap beer, and join a union. (Ok, I take it back about the cheap beer. That actually has some medicinal value.)

Where I get absolutely batshit is with the public employee unions. They have absolutely no place in our society. They exist to siphon money and power away from the citizen and line the pockets of the socialists.

62 Fuck them. I say this as a former Teamster (Local 383 Sioux City IA, warehouseman at Robb-Ross Foods) and Machinist (Local 1426 Sioux City IA, riveted livestock trailers for Wilson Trailer Co.).

There is a world of difference between trade unionism and the punkass organized crime represented by government unions. Not the least of which is the fact that private sector collective bargaining involves adversarial parties. When it's between a government and government unions, the only "bargaining" is how to divvy up the loot that they collectively stole from a third party - the taxpayers. When the people "negotiating" "against" a union took that union's political contributions, it's no wonder these fuckers have driven states to the precipice of insolvency.

Exit question: let's say the sovereign government of the United States of America enters collective bargaining talks with the Amalgamated Brotherhood of Gubmint Clockwatchers. The talks break down. Who comes in to arbitrate?

Bueler?

Bueler?

63 Those Iranian ships aren't carrying party favors to Lebanese children.
Uh, RPGs and suicide vests are children's party favours in Lebanon.

64

I sent a collective email to the "Cowardly-14," thanking them for providing great examples I could use to instruct my teens:  irresponsible leadership, special-interest politics, cowardly performance in the face of adversity, lack of democratic process, poor ethics....the list goes on.  I found the email addresses on the WI State Govt website.  I will probably send one to the Repubs/governor, for standing firm.  And I'm NOT a badger.  But hell, if they can haul in out-of-staters, i can chime in as well.   

"All it takes for evil to prevail is for good people to do nothing."

 

P.S.  I get blowjobs at the rate of about 4/month from wifey.  Not that I am tracking the figures.

65 Fuck them. I say this as a former Teamster (Local 383 Sioux City IA, warehouseman at Robb-Ross Foods) and Machinist (Local 1426 Sioux City IA, riveted livestock trailers for Wilson Trailer Co.).

Posted by: iowahawk at February 22, 2011 03:50 PM (veL4N)

 

There you go again, being all subtle and dainty. Tell us what you think on the subject. Be direct man!

66 43 Wall Street banksters took the country down for TRILLIONS$$$$ and the public is blaming...unions.

Posted by: torabora at February 22, 2011 03:25 PM (/d8Og)

As I'm sure a lot of Hollywood Starlets can tell you, it is possible to be screwed by more than one person.

But I'm sure that doesn't fit your one-size-fits-all narrative.

Also, who is it that's in good with Wall Street, takin' their money and makin' them sweet, sweet anti-competitive deals? I wanna hear you say it, bitch.

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