December 22, 2011

"Prometheus" Trailer (Alien Quasi-Prequel)
— Ace

Ridley Scott seems to deliver on, seriously not snarkily, the most important thing to me in a science-fiction movie: production design. As much I find Blade Runner boring and ponderous, no one can knock its look.

What's that I see here? Is he really using real sets and practical effects and what looks like miniatures and matte paintings? I'm not sure, but stuff looks more real here, in the old-school, expensive, and better-looking way, than in the typical "Pretend this is not totally a soft-focus cartoon" CGI way.

Verum Serum questions how this plot could fit into the Alien mythology, but I don't really remember Alien, so it's fine by me.

Incidentally, just to throw some trivia out there, but the 1990s Kurt Russel sci-fi actioner Soldier, which I think was underrated, was claimed to be a "sidequel" to the Blade Runner franchise, as one of Blade Runner's screenwriters wrote the script, and tossed in various name-check references to the Blade Runner universe. (The suggestion is that Kurt Russel is in fact one of those damned combat-model Replicants.)

And that also contained references to weapons mentioned in Aliens.

So, to be total nerds and stuff, I guess we should be wondering if this movie is actually a sequel to Blade Runner and a prequel to Alien.


Posted by: Ace at 02:26 PM | Comments (357)
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1 Obama = SCOAFM!

Posted by: Yip In Texas OMG at December 22, 2011 02:27 PM (Mrdk1)

2 heh !

Posted by: Yip In Texas OMG at December 22, 2011 02:28 PM (Mrdk1)

3 Blade Runner?   Never heard of it...

Posted by: Charles Gibson at December 22, 2011 02:28 PM (Mrdk1)

4 Wasn't Prometheus the name of the ship in Alien?

Posted by: ErikW at December 22, 2011 02:30 PM (W8Kpr)

5 Verum Serum questions how this plot could fit into the Alien mythology, but I don't really remember Alien, so it's fine by me.

You really are a retard, aren't you?

Posted by: WTF? at December 22, 2011 02:30 PM (gVqQ3)

6

What's that I see here? Is he really using real sets and practical effects and what looks like miniatures and matte paintings? I'm not sure, but stuff looks more real here, in the old-school, expensive, and better-looking way, than in the typical "Pretend this is not totally a soft-focus cartoon" CGI way.

If this is true I would give him the academy award for that alone.

Yeah...not a big fan of C.G.I.

Posted by: eleven at December 22, 2011 02:31 PM (fsLdt)

7 95% of skin jobs are criminals.

Posted by: ron paul at December 22, 2011 02:32 PM (sHY5w)

8 Wasn't Prometheus the name of the ship in Alien?

Nostromo.  Tip to Joseph Conrad's Heart of Darkness (ditto the shuttle's name, Narcissus).

Posted by: Fred at December 22, 2011 02:32 PM (gVqQ3)

9 Wasn't Prometheus the name of the ship in Alien?

Nostromo.  Tip to Joseph Conrad's Heart of Darkness (ditto the shuttle's name, Narcissus).

Posted by: Fred at December 22, 2011 06:32 PM (gVqQ3)

Ah, okay.

Well, that's it for me and my shitty movie knowledge!

Night all!

Posted by: ErikW at December 22, 2011 02:35 PM (W8Kpr)

10 I pitched a big tent.

Posted by: Rev dr L Ron Miller at December 22, 2011 02:36 PM (lAt8c)

11 Okay that ship that is crashing is the one the Nostromo found. I can see this fitting into Alien - the implication was that Nostromo was sent by the "Company" also. So how did the company know it was there? This would show how.

Posted by: blaster at December 22, 2011 02:36 PM (Fw2Gg)

12

A short preview, but it looks very promising.

Posted by: 141Driver at December 22, 2011 02:36 PM (DsnLA)

13 Granted Bladerunner is hard to get into, but if you can it's actually a pretty good story and the great visuals are icing on the cake.  The directors cut without Harrison Ford's narration is virtually unwatchable though.

Posted by: booger at December 22, 2011 02:36 PM (EjNp5)

14 Blade Runner's visuals were done by an architecural engineer named Sid Mead.

Posted by: Jerry at December 22, 2011 02:37 PM (4SKYj)

15 Looks good but there are no ALien aliens in it.I guess the Space Jockey aliens could be the protagonists.

Posted by: steevy at December 22, 2011 02:38 PM (7WJOC)

16 Anyone want an origami Ewok with boner? I have run out of the Skittle-shitting unicorns.

Posted by: japanese detective at December 22, 2011 02:38 PM (sHY5w)

17 OH GOD OH GOD OH GOD OH OH OH.....

Posted by: er at December 22, 2011 02:39 PM (n+kUs)

18 Well the alien ship is the same on as in the original Alien.

Posted by: booger at December 22, 2011 02:39 PM (EjNp5)

19 This film is going to be so fucking awesome.

It's clearly going to be about that race of creatures who were piloting the derelict ship found in the original Alien.  You know, the "Space Jockey" found fossilized into the seat of the derelict's driving deck with the giant hole in his chest.

One thing worth noting is the obvious shout-outs the trailer is giving to the original Alien.  The title appears on-screen in exactly the same way as it does in Alien, and the sound effects (the radio transmission noises, the klaxons, etc.) are all the same as heard on the Nostromo.

OH MAN I AM FUCKING STOKED.  Alien is my favorite movie of all time, by a wide wide margin.

Posted by: Jeff B. at December 22, 2011 02:39 PM (hIWe1)

20 I was optimistic until I heard it's a time-travel pic. 

Posted by: angler at December 22, 2011 02:40 PM (SwjAj)

21 So - is that DOJ chick that lied to investigators about leaking info to media hot or what?

Posted by: Yeah, that. at December 22, 2011 02:41 PM (0+B+X)

22 In-camera optical effects. Blade Runner's visuals visuals were done by.. Richard Trumbull. Sid Mead is a futurist/artist.

Posted by: 13times at December 22, 2011 02:41 PM (h6XiD)

23
I can see this fitting into Alien - the implication was that Nostromo was sent by the "Company" also. So how did the company know it was there?

This would show how.

Ahh that's right, i was thinking it was the alien ship for some reason.

Posted by: booger at December 22, 2011 02:41 PM (EjNp5)

24 >>>Looks good but there are no ALien aliens in it.I guess the Space Jockey aliens could be the protagonists.

I wouldn't be so sure about that.  Methinks the Giger alien is going to make a cameo in this film somewhere.  Speaking of which, did they hire H.R. Giger to do set designs for this one?  Certainly looks like they did, but I dunno -- could all just be a clever spin-off of the original work.

Did I mention how excited I am for this?

Posted by: Jeff B. at December 22, 2011 02:41 PM (hIWe1)

25 Are the sets made up of a lot of penises of varying sizes?

Posted by: huerfano at December 22, 2011 02:42 PM (lXi+d)

26 24 Ridley said the Alien was not going to be in it.From what I've read.

Posted by: steevy at December 22, 2011 02:43 PM (7WJOC)

27 Folks, it's SYD Mead, not SID.

He also did the conceptual work for Aliens.  Which is a very good (even great) film, but not nearly as good as Alien.  Then again they're working two rather different veins.

Posted by: Hopeless Ridley Scott Sci-Fi Dork at December 22, 2011 02:43 PM (hIWe1)

28 So, there's a Prometheus in Stargate franchise, Battlestar franchise and Star Trek franchise, and now this.

Were Alien and Blade Runner supposed to be related?

Soldier was a pretty good flick - I find it more repeatable than BR.

Posted by: Gray #14 at December 22, 2011 02:46 PM (Qxdfp)

29 >>>The directors cut without Harrison Ford's narration is virtually unwatchable though.

Funny, I think the exact opposite.  I think THAT version (more specifically the "Final Cut" which was released a couple years ago -- it's actually quite a big difference) is the only version of Blade Runner that is a true classic.  The theatrical release (with the narration) is just intolerable to me.  Such poor line-readings, such stilted writing.

Could've been a great idea -- you know, adding that hard-boiled Marlowe/Hammett vibe.  But it just failed terribly in the execution.

Ace and I had a long, long debate about Blade Runner several months ago.  I know he doesn't like it nearly as much as I do.  That's okay -- he's free to be wrong about this and Rick Perry.

Posted by: Jeff B. at December 22, 2011 02:46 PM (hIWe1)

30 f*ing socks

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at December 22, 2011 02:47 PM (Qxdfp)

31 From what I've heard, its a semi-copy of Stargate.  Archeology dig leads to "big discovery" and coordinates to a place hinted at being the origin of life on earth.  Expedition sent, involving time travel.  Sole expeditionary survives expedition, and flees to return to Earth, pursued by "Space Jockey" who has cargo of Alien eggs.  Space Jockey gets left behind wormhole to Earth while heroine escapes.  Space Jockey's derelict craft crashes and is fossilized, there to be discovered thousand of years later by the Alien crew.

Posted by: angler at December 22, 2011 02:48 PM (SwjAj)

32 "Speaking of which, did they hire H.R. Giger to do set designs for this one?  Certainly looks like they did, but I dunno -- could all just be a clever spin-off of the original work."

Geiger got sick of Aliens related stuff; but given how most of his art is, it wouldn't be hard to look at other examples, from his Necronomicon for instance, and have it fit the look.

Plus, it's not exactly hard to do mock-Geiger.  You just have to hide chitin penises and nightmare vaginas into everything and give them ribs and spikes.

Posted by: Ranba Ral at December 22, 2011 02:48 PM (G99e4)

33 From what I know of the plot, sounds like the Space Jockeys created humanity, ala "Chariots of the Gods."  They would later go on to create the Aliens.

What nasty ugly drooling shit they created in the interim, I'm guessing the poor bastards will find out in the movie.

I think we'll still get a Xenomorph cameo at the end, however.  They probably end up saving Earth by crashing the derelict... only to leave it intact for Ripley and Co. to find it decades later.

Posted by: Fred at December 22, 2011 02:48 PM (gVqQ3)

34 Soldier is a good flick although it always seemed to have the look of a tv show to me, at least in the beginning when he's going through the training.

Posted by: booger at December 22, 2011 02:48 PM (EjNp5)

35 >>>From what I've heard, its a semi-copy of Stargate.  Archeology dig leads to "big discovery" and coordinates to a place hinted at being the origin of life on earth.  Expedition sent, involving time travel.  Sole expeditionary survives expedition, and flees to return to Earth, pursued by "Space Jockey" who has cargo of Alien eggs.  Space Jockey gets left behind wormhole to Earth while heroine escapes.  Space Jockey's derelict craft crashes and is fossilized, there to be discovered thousand of years later by the Alien crew.

If you're not making this up, then thanks for spoiling the entire fucking movie half a year before its release, dude.

Posted by: Jeff B. at December 22, 2011 02:49 PM (hIWe1)

36
While the ship names come from Joseph Conrad, they don't come from Heart of Darkness. They're from N***er of the Narcissus. Yes, the original name is exactly what you think it is. Later, more PC editions of the book are titled Nostromo.

The ship Sulaco, from Aliens, is also from the same book.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 22, 2011 02:50 PM (G+B5p)

37

Best boner I ever had was the one I got when Sigorney Weaver was donning that space suit in her undies in Alien.

Yeah, I was 14.

[Alien should have come with that 4 hour Viagra boner warning].

Posted by: Sharkman at December 22, 2011 02:50 PM (wMsKw)

38 Posted by: steevy at December 22, 2011 06:43 PM (7WJOC)

What gives him the right to fuck with perfection?

Alien was a great, great movie.


Posted by: In space, nobody can hear you scream at December 22, 2011 02:50 PM (nEUpB)

39 I don't really remember Alien<<

Posted by: Kerry at December 22, 2011 02:50 PM (AYfPj)

40 Re: Giger

EGE: Will you be using any of GigerÂ’s original design for this film?

RS: WeÂ’ve had a pretty good relationship with Giger for many years. I was the first one to go see him in Switzerland, and persuade him to get on a plane. He wouldnÂ’t get on a plane, because he was afraid of flying. And he finally came to Shepperton. He was with me for eleven months. Never went into town, stayed over a pub in Shepperton. Very non-Giger, not exotic. YouÂ’d think heÂ’d be in a suite in a hotel. HeÂ’s in a pub. He was in a room over a pub, and he was very happy there. And yeah, I brought him in, I showed him what we were doing, showed him the story and he liked it a lot. So heÂ’s doing a little bit of work for me. HeÂ’s been doing some murals, big murals, which weÂ’ll see in almost one of the first chambers we encounter when we land where weÂ’re gonna go.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at December 22, 2011 02:50 PM (Qxdfp)

41 I thought Aliens was better than Alien. I think it was all the firepower and action I liked better.

Posted by: Bosk at December 22, 2011 02:51 PM (n2K+4)

42 "You just have to hide chitin penises and nightmare vaginas into everything and give them ribs and spikes."

Posted by: Ranba Ral at December 22, 2011 06:48 PM (G99e4)

Ah, you have met my ex.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at December 22, 2011 02:51 PM (nEUpB)

43 Posted by: Bosk at December 22, 2011 06:51 PM (n2K+4)

Very different movies. It's tough to compare, although the overt feminist message in Aliens was a bit irritating.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at December 22, 2011 02:52 PM (nEUpB)

44 Could've been a great idea -- you know, adding that hard-boiled Marlowe/Hammett vibe.  But it just failed terribly in the execution.

Yeah, i think Harrison Ford said he didn't want to do the narration and didn't put much effort into it, but the movie was designed to have that film noir feel and without the narration it just seems like something's missing.

Posted by: booger at December 22, 2011 02:54 PM (EjNp5)

45 I don't know if I can watch anything with Theron in it. Hard to use a movie as escapism knowing what a fucking retard she is.

Posted by: lowandslow at December 22, 2011 02:54 PM (GZitp)

46 Giger? Without the aid of google, was this the matte artist for The Thing? He's gotta be 105 by now.

Posted by: Ignorant Paul at December 22, 2011 02:55 PM (h6XiD)

47 The importance of hallways.

It's really a great time to be a geek, moviewise.


Posted by: alexthechick at December 22, 2011 02:55 PM (Gk3SS)

48 I thought Aliens was better than Alien. I think it was all the firepower and action I liked better.

Posted by: Bosk at December 22, 2011 06:51 PM (n2K+4)

I liked Alien much better because of the suspense.

I'm just not much of an action movie guy, I guess. C'est la vie!

Posted by: ErikW at December 22, 2011 02:56 PM (W8Kpr)

49 "Verum Serum questions how this plot could fit into the Alien mythology" The alien ship matches the general description (in the script and novelization) of the Space Jockey 'derelict' the Nostromo found in Alien. The skull they're examining looks like a Space Jockey skull. Looks like a facehugger of some kind being pulled out of a tube. All those urns in the big room with the huge face archway, look kind of like a good place for some alien eggs. Finally, freeze-frame at the end from 1:03 - 1:05 and the distorted image looks like the shape of an alien head. Ridley Scott keeps saying there won't be aliens, people who've been on the set say there are people in alien costumes on set, and they aren't fans cosplaying.

Posted by: deepelemblues at December 22, 2011 02:56 PM (Jov5i)

50 I don't know if I can watch anything with Theron in it. Hard to use a movie as escapism knowing what a fucking retard she is.

Just think of a male character actor you like, and then remove all reason and accountability.

Posted by: angler at December 22, 2011 02:56 PM (SwjAj)

51 47 that and designed the sets and monter in Alien. Famous for Sci-Fi work, album covers and such.

Only 71

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at December 22, 2011 02:56 PM (Qxdfp)

52 Good, good - now give us a good Warhammer 40k movie, you drooling Hollyweird bastards. 

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at December 22, 2011 02:57 PM (UR5vq)

53 >>>I can see this fitting into Alien - the implication was that Nostromo was sent by the "Company" also. So how did the company know it was there? I didn't really get John's point but I think he was saying if the company sent the Nostromo to get the wreck of this alien ship, they should have been more interested in it and stuff, instead of being like, "Oh, dead alien space jockey, let's move on to the next room." I dunno. I don't remember Alien. AlienS i know frame by frame. But I think Alien is primarily a film for homosexuals.

Posted by: ace at December 22, 2011 02:59 PM (nj1bB)

54 CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) . Very true but I'm a simple moron. Cool guns and shit blowing up almost always will distract me from kooky plots or deficiency.

Posted by: Bosk at December 22, 2011 02:59 PM (n2K+4)

55 They're from N***er of the Narcissus. Yes, the original name is exactly what you think it is. Later, more PC editions of the book are titled

Children of the Sea

Nostromo is a different story.

Posted by: fluffy at December 22, 2011 02:59 PM (Lpgtj)

56 I was asking about this movie here on AoSHQ six months ago.  What did I get?  *crickets*

Posted by: Soona at December 22, 2011 02:59 PM (CVIVG)

57 >>>The alien ship matches the general description (in the script and novelization) of the Space Jockey 'derelict' the Nostromo found in Alien. no i get that. I know Ridley Scott has long been strangely obsessed by the Space Jockey. I think John's point is "why wasn't the crew of the nostromo more interested in this, then?" I'm not really sure, honestly.

Posted by: ace at December 22, 2011 03:00 PM (nj1bB)

58 It looked okay, but that movie needs a lot more shots of guys walking down long CGI hallways talking about shit.

Posted by: George Lucas at December 22, 2011 03:00 PM (QKKT0)

59 >>>47 that and designed the sets and monter in Alien. Famous for Sci-Fi work, album covers and such.

He did Emerson, Lake & Palmer's Brain Salad Surgery album cover.

I'm ashamed to admit I know that.

Crap, now I gotta go watch Alien.

Posted by: Jeff B. at December 22, 2011 03:01 PM (hIWe1)

60
I'm kind of meh on the Alien Special Edition. The additional footage either gives away the scares (you see the alien hanging in the chains before Harry Dean Stanton gets his face caved in) or the scene just plain sucks (Ripley mercy-incinerates Dallas).

The Aliens Special Edition pretty much rocks. Fleshing out the mother-daughter thing really enhances the story. Plus, ohmygodohmygodIwantasentrygunfor Christmasohmygodohmygod. One caveat: Cameron gives away the game by including the LV426 scenes and briefly showing the facehugger before the Marines arrive on-planet. Stupid move, really. Kills the tension.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 22, 2011 03:01 PM (G+B5p)

61 59 It looked okay, but that movie needs a lot more shots of guys walking down long CGI hallways talking about shit.

And Wookies with walkie-talkies! 

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at December 22, 2011 03:02 PM (UR5vq)

62 >>>But I think Alien is primarily a film for homosexuals.

Are you trolling?  Or what?

Because seriously: WTF are you on?

Posted by: Jeff B. at December 22, 2011 03:02 PM (hIWe1)

63 50

Watch the trailer again.  The alien 'towers' are at least the same type of ship that they found the facehugger in in Alien.  Looks like they're the ones that cause it to crash, based on the shot of it falling out of the sky.  Also, shot at :44 is the space jocky seat rising out of the floor...and if it's the same scale as the one in Alien (or is the same one from alien) that dude standing next to it is HUGE.

Posted by: Ranba Ral at December 22, 2011 03:03 PM (G99e4)

64 So, they're all illegals or something?  See if you can get one of them to knock a couple of dings out of my rear bumper.  I've got $40 and some coupons for Subway here.

Posted by: Truman North at December 22, 2011 03:03 PM (I2LwF)

65 If you're not making this up, then thanks for spoiling the entire fucking movie half a year before its release, dude.

I'm f*cking with you.  Actually, the Weyland Corporation sends a ship stuffed with ugly new bills, tinted pink and blue and blighted with holograms, diffraction gratings, metal threads and chemical alarms to a previously-unknown system, only to have the currency transformed into a sabre-toothed Alien with acid blood and returned to earth to be distributed by evil ATMs.

Posted by: angler at December 22, 2011 03:03 PM (SwjAj)

66 I didn't really get John's point but I think he was saying if the company sent the Nostromo to get the wreck of this alien ship, they should have been more interested in it and stuff, instead of being like, "Oh, dead alien space jockey, let's move on to the next room."

I dunno. I don't remember Alien. AlienS i know frame by frame.

But I think Alien is primarily a film for homosexuals.

Posted by: ace at December 22, 2011 06:59 PM (nj1bB)

 

In the original Aliens, the Nostromo was transporting cargo back to the Earth station when they picked up the distress signal from the alien ship shown in this movie.  They were ordered to divert and investigate it.

Posted by: Soona at December 22, 2011 03:03 PM (CVIVG)

67 ITC, My experience with Deleted Scenes and Restored Footage has informed me that deleted scenes were deleted for a reason. Only very rarely does a deleted scene help a movie. I liked the added footage in Fellowship of the Ring, because the movie really needed more breathing space between one choppy action sequence and the next. But mostly these scenes suck. Few directors cut out great stuff.

Posted by: ace at December 22, 2011 03:04 PM (nj1bB)

68 Light up your Kookoobananas if you got 'em.

Posted by: ontherocks at December 22, 2011 03:04 PM (HBqDo)

69 Alien is faaaabolous! *snap snap snap*

Posted by: Men On Film at December 22, 2011 03:05 PM (EjNp5)

70 60

Don't be. I have 3 (LP) versions of BSS, one a gorgeous, gorgeous German copy with a textured surface in rich browns and grays.

Korn's Jonathan Davis commissioned him to do a mic stand.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at December 22, 2011 03:05 PM (Qxdfp)

71 "Watch the trailer again. The alien 'towers' are at least the same type of ship that they found the facehugger in in Alien. Looks like they're the ones that cause it to crash, based on the shot of it falling out of the sky. Also, shot at :44 is the space jocky seat rising out of the floor...and if it's the same scale as the one in Alien (or is the same one from alien) that dude standing next to it is HUGE." Yeah I missed that, that's definitely the Space Jockeys' "telescope."

Posted by: deepelemblues at December 22, 2011 03:05 PM (Jov5i)

72 >>>Are you trolling? Or what? You're tightly wound lately. It's a joke. People are telling me to turn in my man card so I thought I'd return the favor and pronounce, authoritatively, that Alien is a homosexual-interest film.

Posted by: ace at December 22, 2011 03:06 PM (nj1bB)

73 The company that sent Nostromo new the the "distress signal" was a warning.Ashe was aboard to make sure they brought back an alien(so they must have known what was there at leat in general).The crew was expendable.

Posted by: steevy at December 22, 2011 03:06 PM (7WJOC)

74

The alien busting out of the chest is rather homoerotic.

Posted by: sTevo at December 22, 2011 03:06 PM (VMcEw)

75 Harrison Ford's delivery of the Blade Runner narration was terrible, and fans have always touted the superiority of the Director's Cut, but the dirty little secret has always been that without the narration the movie doesn't make a whole lot of sense. That's why it was shoehorned in before its theatrical release, however awkwardly. (Plus the DC makes Deckard a Replicant, which is an awful idea.)

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at December 22, 2011 03:07 PM (2beRu)

76
Posted by: fluffy at December 22, 2011 06:59 PM (Lpgtj)



Ah, shit. You're right. That's what I get for relying on a 20 year old memory of reading them in anthologized form.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 22, 2011 03:07 PM (G+B5p)

77 "The alien busting out of the chest is rather homoerotic. " Actually it's the facehugger raping people's faces to impregnate them that the filmmakers intended to be homoerotic.

Posted by: deepelemblues at December 22, 2011 03:08 PM (Jov5i)

78 RE: The Alien "Director's Cut" --

Ridley Scott freely admits (in the introduction to the thing!) that he doesn't consider the "Director's Cut" to be any such thing.  He's perfectly happy with his original version of the film, and considers it definitive.  I agree 100%.  The new scenes add very little at all (the famous "cocoon" scene with Dallas is actually a dumb momentum-killer, and the extra shot of the alien hanging in the chains before it grabs Brett doesn't work at all), and the ones he deleted were actually among my favorites (particularly when Dallas goes to MOTHER and asks "what are my chances?"  Response: DOES NOT COMPUTE.)  Stick with the theatrical release.

As for Aliens...actually, I don't think the extended version is really an improvement on the theatrical cut either, despite the fact that James Cameron strongly prefers it.  I think the scenes on the planet before the derelict is discovered are really quite jarring and kill the suspense...it's *FAR* more effective for the first thing we ever see of the colony is its wreck and ruin.  The smart-gun sequence is pretty good, but doesn't really add all that much. 

Actually, the only one that's hugely improved by its "director's cut" is Alien 3.  The film actually now makes some sort of rational sense (it was a disjointed mess with massive gaping plot holes before).  Still not a great movie, and way too fuck-you nihilistic for my tastes.

Posted by: Jeff B. at December 22, 2011 03:08 PM (hIWe1)

79 It is beautiful.

Posted by: rdbrewer at December 22, 2011 03:08 PM (kWnO0)

80 >>>You're tightly wound lately.

Fair call.  I am. Gotta stop snorting these giant piles of cocaine.

Guess I picked the wrong Christmas holiday to vacation in Miami...

Posted by: Jeff B. at December 22, 2011 03:10 PM (hIWe1)

81

But I think Alien is primarily a film for homosexuals.

I never really liked Aliens...but then again, I don't like movies much.

Posted by: garrett at December 22, 2011 03:10 PM (F3GbA)

82 Ok I guess I forgot Aliens, too. It is a lot more than implied that the company sent the Nostromo to LV-246 on purpose. I think there is a lot of potential here.

Posted by: blaster at December 22, 2011 03:10 PM (Fw2Gg)

83 >>>Ridley Scott freely admits (in the introduction to the thing!) that he doesn't consider the "Director's Cut" to be any such thing. He's perfectly happy with his original version of the film, and considers it definitive. I agree 100%. yeah that was an interesting thing he said. "This is the special edition, but it's not my director's cut. the actual film was my director's cut." There are neat little bits like the mini-guns but they are unnecessary and add nothing. then he has 20 minutes of Newt and her family living their lives before the aliens attack. turns out, completely unecessary; we didn't have to see the family to understand that she once had one.

Posted by: ace at December 22, 2011 03:10 PM (nj1bB)

84
My experience with Deleted Scenes and Restored Footage has informed me that deleted scenes were deleted for a reason.





Agreed. I have to admit though, the film-geek in me likes them as stand-alones in the DVD extras. Nice to see how film is made, and ruined.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 22, 2011 03:12 PM (G+B5p)

85 Gotta stop snorting these giant piles of cocaine.

Drudge has a story that says you didn't survive.

Posted by: fluffy at December 22, 2011 03:12 PM (Lpgtj)

86 I liked Aliens.  I liked Predator.  I hated Alien vs. Predator.  Discuss among yourselves.

Posted by: angler at December 22, 2011 03:12 PM (SwjAj)

87 Helpful pro-tip:
'Soldier' is available for free on Amazon Prime.
'Alien(s)' is not.

Posted by: Don't mind me, I enjoy being helpful at December 22, 2011 03:12 PM (YTGKQ)

88 Watching the deleted scenes of Alien 3 you realize how much an editor can make a difference. The movie as edited was *totally* different. And, better. But that's only relative.

Posted by: blaster at December 22, 2011 03:13 PM (Fw2Gg)

89 "Aliens" --are you guys talking about movies or Mexicans???

Posted by: guy with one eye at December 22, 2011 03:13 PM (UqKQV)

Posted by: Jose at December 22, 2011 03:13 PM (srIqv)

91 >>>then he has 20 minutes of Newt and her family living their lives before the aliens attack. turns out, completely unecessary; we didn't have to see the family to understand that she once had one.

I think it's actually worse than that.  I think it makes the film less tense, less mysterious -- especially because that reel ends with the shot of the face-hugger on Newt's dad.  Dumb way to blow the first "reveal" of the movie, IMO.  It's so much more effective for us to see nothing of the aliens, nothing of the colony, and for the first encounter to be nothing except this ghost town with giant gaping acid holes in the walls and floors and no idea WTF happened.

Posted by: Jeff B. at December 22, 2011 03:14 PM (hIWe1)

92 >>>I hated Alien vs. Predator. The first one? Given the obvious pure-commercial-play nature of that, I thought it exceeded (marginal) expectations. It was directed by WS Anderson, who is generally considered a giant hack, who did the Soldier movie I mentioned in the post Maybe I have some kind of weird soft spot for him, like I do for Nicholas Cage.

Posted by: ace at December 22, 2011 03:14 PM (nj1bB)

93 My experience with Deleted Scenes and Restored Footage has informed me that deleted scenes were deleted for a reason.

Noooooooooo!

Posted by: Darth Vader at December 22, 2011 03:14 PM (QKKT0)

94 87 I liked Aliens.  I liked Predator.  I hated Alien vs. Predator.  Discuss among yourselves.

Somethings don't mix together well, especially when the mixing is overseen by Paul "My wife is so hot that I'm going to cast her in every bloody movie I direct" W.S. Anderson. 

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at December 22, 2011 03:15 PM (UR5vq)

95 who's his wife?

Posted by: ace at December 22, 2011 03:16 PM (nj1bB)

96 Milla Jovovich is Anderson's wife.

Posted by: Jeff B. at December 22, 2011 03:16 PM (hIWe1)

97 Mila Jovavich? Well done, sir.

Posted by: ace at December 22, 2011 03:17 PM (nj1bB)

98 We can never get enough Milla.

Posted by: Alice's Clone Army at December 22, 2011 03:18 PM (awkov)

99

Hang On. Point of nerdamentiary procedure.

Soldier was an awesome film and Brian Dennehy was great as Kurt Russell.

But it wasn't hinted at that he was a Replicant.  He was shown in the opening montage being "drafted" with other newborns from a maternity ward by jackbooted stormtroopers and being raised with his "class" from boyhood to adulthood.

Remember when they executed the kid for falling behind on the run?  That was badass.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 22, 2011 03:18 PM (DiqH3)

100 I'm like Jeff B. without the all caps- Livin' my acting at DEFCON 5 baby.

Posted by: Nic Cage at December 22, 2011 03:18 PM (r2PLg)

101 I hated Alien vs. Predator.

The first one? Given the obvious pure-commercial-play nature of that, I thought it exceeded (marginal) expectations.

Yeah.  Hate is probably too strong.  I'm easy to please when it comes to movies - too many things that are capable of being enjoyed.

But it seemed to me to be an impossible blend of two incompatible worlds - like making "Captain Kirk v. Luke Skywalker."

Posted by: angler at December 22, 2011 03:19 PM (SwjAj)

102 Alien was the first "scary" movie that I was able to watch without having nightmares. Sigourney Weaver running around in her underpants left an impression on this (at the time) 11 year old as well.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at December 22, 2011 03:19 PM (YmPwQ)

103 Whaaaat? You don't have a lucky crack pipe?

Posted by: Nic Cage at December 22, 2011 03:19 PM (r2PLg)

104 Looking good, though simply out of prudence I'll try not to get too hyped up for it. (It was actually Alien 3 that taught me not to get too hyped up for any movie -- I've come to appreciate it since, but man, it depressed me when I saw it in the theater.)

Posted by: The Chap in the Deerstalker Cap at December 22, 2011 03:20 PM (RfUCA)

105 Dusting off memories of Soldier - I think the replacement guys were more like Replicants. Russell was a well bred human but was obsoleted by the newer ones.

Posted by: blaster at December 22, 2011 03:20 PM (Fw2Gg)

106 There are neat little bits like the mini-guns but they are unnecessary and add nothing. then he has 20 minutes of Newt and her family living their lives before the aliens attack. turns out, completely unecessary; we didn't have to see the family to understand that she once had one.

Posted by: ace at December 22, 2011 07:10 PM (nj1bB)

 

Agree.  A neat little piece of trivia told by Sigourny Weaver is that in the first alien-busting-out-of-the-chest scene in the original Alien, the the whole thing was rigged and set up without any of the actors (except the one where the alien was inhabiting) knowing anything about it.  They went in to the scene with just a few lines to set everything up and then the FX started as shown in the movie.  All of the reactions of the actors were spontaneous.

 

 

Posted by: Soona at December 22, 2011 03:20 PM (CVIVG)

107 >>>But it wasn't hinted at that he was a Replicant. He was shown in the opening montage being "drafted" with other newborns from a maternity ward by jackbooted stormtroopers and being raised with his "class" from boyhood to adulthood. yeah but look, in blade runner, "replicants" were "humanoid robots" with organs and blood and DNA and everything. To be honest, I've always wondered if they simply were not JUST PLAIN OLD PEOPLE the state was legally calling "robots" so they could be owned. They were genetically engineered, sure. but they were humans. I've always wondered what Blade Runner meant by that.

Posted by: ace at December 22, 2011 03:20 PM (nj1bB)

108 Shoot 'em again his soul is still dancing!

Posted by: Nic Cage at December 22, 2011 03:20 PM (r2PLg)

109 ah okay, maybe the bad guys were replicants. I don't know. I know that some of the places they fight in were mentioned in Blade Runner. (Don't ask me which ones; I forget.)

Posted by: ace at December 22, 2011 03:21 PM (nj1bB)

110 93 >>>I hated Alien vs. Predator.

The first one? Given the obvious pure-commercial-play nature of that, I thought it exceeded (marginal) expectations.

It was directed by WS Anderson, who is generally considered a giant hack, who did the Soldier movie I mentioned in the post

Maybe I have some kind of weird soft spot for him, like I do for Nicholas Cage.

Posted by: ace at December 22, 2011 07:14 PM (nj1bB)

Let's give him credit at least for not shoving his "couldn't show emotion if she was being stabbed for real while the camera is rolling" wife into AvP.

Posted by: buzzion at December 22, 2011 03:22 PM (GULKT)

111 >>>Remember when they executed the kid for falling behind on the run? That was badass. Am I totally a girl for getting misty when the little boy kills the snake?

Posted by: ace at December 22, 2011 03:22 PM (nj1bB)

112 Angler: AvP made okay to good comics, and several awesome games.  The movies were horribad.

Posted by: Ranba Ral at December 22, 2011 03:23 PM (G99e4)

113

To be honest, I've always wondered if they simply were not JUST PLAIN OLD PEOPLE the state was legally calling "robots" so they could be owned.

They were genetically engineered, sure. but they were humans.<<<

 

Why would you engineer a wee-bit-chubby kid that can't run fast enough to avoid being executed?

Pfffffft.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 22, 2011 03:24 PM (DiqH3)

114 99 We can never get enough Milla.

Milla, putting aside her physical qualities for a minute, isn't that bad of an actress. But I got really annoyed with her and Anderson via movies screwing up a game franchise that, despite it's anti-corporate bullshit, I thoroughly enjoy.  (Resident Evil 4 was my most favorite game until the GoW series came along). 

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at December 22, 2011 03:25 PM (UR5vq)

115

Why would you engineer a wee-bit-chubby kid that can't run fast enough to avoid being executed?

Pfffffft.

Jesus, are you dense?  For sport!

Posted by: angler at December 22, 2011 03:25 PM (SwjAj)

116 I've seen the Director's Cu*t of The Hurt Locker.

Posted by: James Cameron at December 22, 2011 03:26 PM (PLHIl)

117
I've seen the Director's Cu*t of The Hurt Locker.

Posted by: James Cameron at December 22, 2011 07:26 PM (PLHIl)





Heh.

Jealousy isn't pretty.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 22, 2011 03:27 PM (G+B5p)

118 If you recall from Blade Runner genetically engineered was way different - somehow - than real. Think about the animals. The repilicant humans are different in that they are apparently decanted as adults. They had to be designed with the short lifespan by law - not by technology. But the replicants were not robots - they were genetically engineered and produced humans. And they were product, so they could be owned.

Posted by: blaster at December 22, 2011 03:28 PM (Fw2Gg)

119 Milla Jovovich was good in Fifth Element. Which was totally a film for homosexuals.

Posted by: blaster at December 22, 2011 03:30 PM (Fw2Gg)

120 The repilicant humans are different in that they are apparently decanted as adults. They had to be designed with the short lifespan by law - not by technology.

Wait, I thought the 4-year lifespan of the Replicants was an absolute technical limitation and not a safeguard or something engineered into the Replicants by law?

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at December 22, 2011 03:30 PM (UR5vq)

121 Wait, I thought the 4-year lifespan of the Replicants was an absolute technical limitation and not a safeguard or something engineered into the Replicants by law? Negative - Rachel did not have a limit. The fact that the replicants did not grow up and learn is why they had to have memories implanted.

Posted by: blaster at December 22, 2011 03:32 PM (Fw2Gg)

122 121 In the book it is a technical limitation.In the movie it's a precaution.

Posted by: steevy at December 22, 2011 03:33 PM (7WJOC)

123 Ridley hated the word android so much that he banned any use of it on the set.He coined the term "replicant".

Posted by: steevy at December 22, 2011 03:34 PM (7WJOC)

124 What a bunch of nerds.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 22, 2011 03:34 PM (XE2Oo)

125 120 Milla Jovovich was good in Fifth Element.
Which was totally a film for homosexuals.

For a minute I thought you were joking like ace, after thinking about it, it really was.

Posted by: lowandslow at December 22, 2011 03:34 PM (GZitp)

126 121 They initially limited how long they could live because they found the longer they lived, the more likelihood they'd develop emotional responses and have thoughts based on experience.  Thus they start having emotional responses to their soldiering or whatever, depending on their model, and start questioning why they're doing what they're doing.  In my understanding, that's what led to that replicant revolt.

Posted by: Ranba Ral at December 22, 2011 03:34 PM (G99e4)

127 My Nerd Fu is strong.

Posted by: steevy at December 22, 2011 03:34 PM (7WJOC)

128 Why would you engineer a wee-bit-chubby kid that can't run fast enough to avoid being executed?
To encourage the others.

Posted by: zombie voltaire at December 22, 2011 03:36 PM (sHY5w)

129 Kratos, I am one of those hateful people who love the RE movies. Thus, the sock.

Posted by: Alice's Clone Army at December 22, 2011 03:36 PM (awkov)

130 The four-year lifespan was to prevent them from developing human emotions. Which hints again that they are really just people, of an engineered sort, and the state/corporations are creating contrived distinctions just so they can justify what is simply slavery. Sexual slavery for the "pleasure models," hard-labor slavery for the worker models, enforced combat-slavery for the combat models.

Posted by: ace at December 22, 2011 03:36 PM (nj1bB)

131 Negative - Rachel did not have a limit. The fact that the replicants did not grow up and learn is why they had to have memories implanted.

The candle that burns twice as bright burns half as long.

Posted by: Tyrell at December 22, 2011 03:37 PM (UR5vq)

132 Best sex scene EVAH! http://tinyurl.com/6tlxtc7 NSFW

Posted by: Nic Cage! at December 22, 2011 03:37 PM (r2PLg)

133 What a bunch of nerds.

Nerds?  F*ck you.  You lover of ugly new bills, tinted pink and blue and blighted with holograms, diffraction gratings, metal threads and chemical alarms.

Posted by: angler at December 22, 2011 03:38 PM (SwjAj)

134 I've never seen any of the Alien movies. 

Posted by: Y-not at December 22, 2011 03:38 PM (5H6zj)

135 *pulls pin on nerd grenade* Tom Baker is the only real Dr. Who.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 22, 2011 03:39 PM (vzFJV)

136 Tom Baker is the only real Dr. Who.

Oh, yeah?  Crossbows beat longbows.

Posted by: rdbrewer at December 22, 2011 03:40 PM (kWnO0)

137 The biggest sci fi hack of all time ? Dino de Laurentis or however in the fuck you spell his name . Guy never has a clue and yet he kept gettin' work .

Posted by: awkward davies at December 22, 2011 03:40 PM (ybe4q)

138 Battleship Earth was much better.

Posted by: Mitt Romney, B.A. English BYU at December 22, 2011 03:40 PM (5H6zj)

139

I've never seen any of the Alien movies. 

I think we should start discussing recipes...for cooking aliens.

Posted by: Mama AJ at December 22, 2011 03:41 PM (XdlcF)

140 136 *pulls pin on nerd grenade*

Tom Baker is the only real Dr. Who.

---

This is true. 

Posted by: Y-not at December 22, 2011 03:41 PM (5H6zj)

Posted by: Ranba Ral at December 22, 2011 03:41 PM (G99e4)

142 Milla Jovovich was good in Fifth Element.
Which was totally a film for homosexuals.

For a minute I thought you were joking like ace, after thinking about it, it really was.

I watched less than half. Does that make me bi-curious?

Posted by: fluffy at December 22, 2011 03:42 PM (Lpgtj)

143 Couldn't do that again if I tried.  Just random clicked on the browser window without looking, to swap away from my chat window and managed to hit the 'Post button"

Posted by: Ranba Ral at December 22, 2011 03:42 PM (G99e4)

144 Best job in a future Earth: furniture upholsterer in Soylent Green times.

Posted by: andycanuck at December 22, 2011 03:42 PM (sHY5w)

145 Which hints again that they are really just people, of an engineered sort, and the state/corporations are creating contrived distinctions just so they can justify what is simply slavery. Sexual slavery for the "pleasure models," hard-labor slavery for the worker models, enforced combat-slavery for the combat models. Well, yeah - that's part of the story - what is the difference? That's what the whole doubt sequence that Deckard has is all about. DADT makes that all the more explicit.

Posted by: blaster at December 22, 2011 03:42 PM (Fw2Gg)

146 Just a guess, but I'd say Shepperton Studios.  Get your guesses in while I go check.

Posted by: rdbrewer at December 22, 2011 03:43 PM (kWnO0)

147 >>>Dino de Laurentis or however in the fuck you spell his name . Well he was a producer, raisin' money, so essentially he was giving himself a job. You can't fire the guy with the money.

Posted by: ace at December 22, 2011 03:43 PM (nj1bB)

148 Fifth Element is a great flick.  Ace is wrong wrong wrong about that movie. 

Posted by: Y-not. blatant heterosexual at December 22, 2011 03:43 PM (5H6zj)

149 Negative - Rachel did not have a limit. The fact that the replicants did not grow up and learn is why they had to have memories implanted.







Posted by: blaster at December 22, 2011 07:32 PM (Fw2Gg)

 

Aaaahhhh, Rachel.  She was the spittin' image of a girlfriend I once had.

Posted by: Soona at December 22, 2011 03:43 PM (CVIVG)

150 130 Kratos,

I am one of those hateful people who love the RE movies. Thus, the sock.

So noted, .

I'll admit it - the first live-action RE movie is a guilty pleasure for me.  While I though the plot was crap (and nearly half the people in the movie were killed by lasers and not zombies), I respected that Anderson wanted to take risks and not stick so closely to the source material.  Then came RE: Apocalypse...

The first RE movie would have probably had more success if they used the script written by George Romeo, who wrote a screenplay more faithful to the video game.

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at December 22, 2011 03:44 PM (UR5vq)

151 No, Fifth Element is teh ghey. A stunningly accurate portrayal of our future.

Posted by: Bob_B at December 22, 2011 03:44 PM (0tRzD)

152 How many of you have Milla's album Divine Comedy?

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at December 22, 2011 03:45 PM (Qxdfp)

153 OK, I'm drunk.

Ferrari-Carano is really a good chardonnay.

Posted by: Y-not. blatant heterosexual at December 22, 2011 03:45 PM (5H6zj)

154 Pinewood.

Posted by: rdbrewer at December 22, 2011 03:45 PM (kWnO0)

155 I like Fifth Element and I also like chicks. It was a good film but could have had a little less Gaultier.

Posted by: blaster at December 22, 2011 03:45 PM (Fw2Gg)

156 >>>Well, yeah - that's part of the story - what is the difference? I don't think so, not the way you put it. We've seen this 'what's the difference" story a thousand times, like with that annoying puppet Lt. Data. "If I think and act and choose and feel, am I not, essentially, human?" But i"m saying you don't even have to make that arument about "what is humanity?" because these guys were actually just plain human, but with a few contrived differences inserted into their gene sequences so people could pretend they weren't human but robots. "Robots" with brains, hearts, lungs, blood, DNA, and all, and who looked human, and spoke just like humans, and who thought just like humans... In other words: they were humans.

Posted by: ace at December 22, 2011 03:45 PM (nj1bB)

157 Dr. Who I have seen, and it sucks.  Every iteration.

Posted by: garrett at December 22, 2011 03:45 PM (F3GbA)

158 A stunningly accurate portrayal of our future.

Shit, then Demolition Man is even closer to that.

Joy, joy thoughts, citizen. 

Posted by: Y-not. blatant heterosexual at December 22, 2011 03:46 PM (5H6zj)

159 Posted by: ace at December 22, 2011 07:00 PM (nj1bB)  Ash the Robot knew and the Mothership computer knew.  Maybe the  male captain learned at one point.   The rest thought they were just there by chance.

Posted by: SarahW at December 22, 2011 03:47 PM (LYwCh)

160 Aliens sucked.

Posted by: Rev dr L Ron Miller at December 22, 2011 03:47 PM (lAt8c)

161 Fifth Element was funny and clever and GAY !!!.

( gay-homo, not gay-happy ) .   Also, too French / generic Euro.

Posted by: guy with one eye at December 22, 2011 03:47 PM (UqKQV)

162 158 Dr. Who I have seen, and it sucks.

It's cheesetastic.  I can only tolerate the Tom Baker versions. 

boingity-boingity boingity woo-HEE-ooooh!

Posted by: Y-not. blatant heterosexual at December 22, 2011 03:47 PM (5H6zj)

163 159 ...Shit, then Demolition Man is even closer to that.

I figured out the 3 sea shells, and it's not pretty.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at December 22, 2011 03:47 PM (Qxdfp)

164 I've never seen any of the Alien movies. 

Posted by: Y-not at December 22, 2011 07:38 PM (5H6zj)

They're lovely. It's a series that follows a misunderstood creature battling negative stereotypes and Space Marines while they seek to gain a foothold using underhanded techniques.

It doesn't end well.

Posted by: ErikW at December 22, 2011 03:47 PM (W8Kpr)

165 Maybe you were too young to see Bladerunner in the theater .. most likely, actually.

But in the 70's this was a fucking kick-ass movie... especially in the theater . I refuse to judge films as they appear on DVD.  You should not be allowed an opinion of a movie if you haven't seen it in a big auditorium... sorry if that seems elitist.. I don't give a shit.

Movies in those days were made for a theater experience.  Bladerunner, at the time, delivered.. big time.  it was fucking awesome to us sci-fi fans.   But technology changes, and in retrospect everything old looks cheap.  The original Bladerunner, however, was ALL ( I can't think of the word after 2 Manhattans..) ambience.. close as I can get. It  still has that if you allow it.

Watch the original.. with the narration.  It's a damn good film.

I woulda done it different..  maybe not letting Decker know she's a replicant and maybe leave the viewer wondering if Decker is one as well.   But, whatever.. it's a good story.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 22, 2011 03:47 PM (UTq/I)

166 Like if we "engineer" some "replicants" who are exactly humans, but we deliberately make their eyes shine gold in a certain light, and then say, "Anyone whose eyes shine gold in a certain light are legally 'robots' and not 'humans,' and you can own the hot ones to have as your sexual slaves."

Posted by: ace at December 22, 2011 03:48 PM (nj1bB)

167 There's only one Ash, and he's not a robot.

Hail to the king, baby.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at December 22, 2011 03:48 PM (Qxdfp)

168 Tom Baker was the ONLY Doctor from my childhood.I can't even watch the others.The new shows Obama love turned me off instantly.

Posted by: steevy at December 22, 2011 03:48 PM (7WJOC)

169 That's why the interest in the space-Jockey wasn't "Oh we found the space jockey we've been looking for"

Posted by: SarahW at December 22, 2011 03:49 PM (LYwCh)

170 They give the reason the replicants were given the short life span when Deckard is being debriefed at the beginning, but damn if i can remember what it is, and The Fifth Element is a great flick.

Posted by: booger at December 22, 2011 03:49 PM (EjNp5)

171 Heh. Wesley Snipes and Sylvester Stallone.

Teh ghey.

Posted by: Bob_B at December 22, 2011 03:49 PM (niW49)

172 In other words: they were humans. Dude I am agreeing with you not arguing with you. But there is also kind of Matrix-like what is real and what is not real theme. (and this is why the voiceover version of the film is superior.) Deckard makes pretty clear: "They don't advertise for killers in the newspaper. That was my profession. Ex-cop. Ex-blade runner. Ex-killer." "The report read "Routine retirement of a replicant." That didn't make me feel any better about shooting a woman in the back." And it makes Deckard doubt his own humanity - that's why he has all of his pics out on the piano. Are they memories or implants?

Posted by: blaster at December 22, 2011 03:50 PM (Fw2Gg)

173 166 It came out in 82.I remember because it was rated R and I was too young to see it.Though I had the comic adaption(still do).

Posted by: steevy at December 22, 2011 03:50 PM (7WJOC)

174 OK, I'm drunk.

Ferrari-Carano is really a good chardonnay.

Posted by: Y-not. blatant heterosexual at December 22, 2011 07:45 PM (5H6zj)

 

Duly noted.

Posted by: ErikW at December 22, 2011 03:50 PM (W8Kpr)

175 I liked the fifth element I think mostly because I viewed it as a sci-fi parody. It made me laugh. And Mila made me tight in the pants.

Posted by: Bosk at December 22, 2011 03:51 PM (n2K+4)

176 Maybe you were too young to see Bladerunner in the theater .. most likely, actually.

But in the 70's this was a fucking kick-ass movie...

I'm sure it would've been kick-ass in the '70s, considering that it actually came out in the early 80's.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 22, 2011 03:51 PM (SY2Kh)

177 Dr. Who I have seen, and it sucks.  Every iteration.

Posted by: garrett at December 22, 2011 07:45 PM (F3GbA)

 

Some of the episodes remind me of the old Flash Gordon tv series.  So I guess, sometimes, it's pretty good.  Overall?  Way too British. 

Posted by: Soona at December 22, 2011 03:52 PM (CVIVG)

178 Ok, ace. I get it. Replicants are just genetically slutty. Whatever you say, Dr. Paul.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 22, 2011 03:52 PM (vzFJV)

179 Duly noted.

Truly it is.  Most Chardonnays are undrinkable.  (They insist upon themselves in AoSHQ parlance.)  But F-C is the perfect blend of dryness, fruit, and acidity.  We just had some with a (if I do say so myself) fabtabulous fish "stew" and rainbow chard.  Good stuff.

It's a little pricey, but worth it. 

Posted by: Y-not. blatant heterosexual at December 22, 2011 03:52 PM (5H6zj)

180 Well, I am fully functional.

Posted by: lt. data at December 22, 2011 03:53 PM (sHY5w)

181 sarahw, well... okay, but you'd think they'd do something to alert them that the real goal is the space jockey. otherwise they might ignore it. like they did. I guess they can cover that somehow. This isn't even my argument. it's what I'm guessing Verum Serum's is!

Posted by: ace at December 22, 2011 03:53 PM (nj1bB)

182 **Is he really using real sets and practical effects and what looks like miniatures and matte paintings? I'm not sure, but stuff looks more real here, in the old-school, expensive, and better-looking way, than in the typical "Pretend this is not totally a soft-focus cartoon" CGI way.** You know, parts of LotR was the same way, like many of the landscaped elements were smaller models (obvs) that had robotically controlled cameras scan them for their epic sweeps, like the black tower of ... isen...uhmmm...saur...sarouman.

Posted by: joeindc44 - tebow crazed rioter at December 22, 2011 03:53 PM (QxSug)

183 A pre-review from Ace?

TL;DR

TS;DR

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at December 22, 2011 03:53 PM (eHIJJ)

184

@59: "It looked okay, but that movie needs a lot more shots of guys walking down long CGI hallways talking about shit."

Or sitting on couches talking about shit.

Posted by: Fat Lesbian ALF Lookalike at December 22, 2011 03:53 PM (jAqTK)

185 Logan's Run.  Now there's a heterosexual's movie.

Posted by: Soona at December 22, 2011 03:54 PM (CVIVG)

186 Clearly, Ace is a replicant.

Posted by: Bob_B at December 22, 2011 03:54 PM (pVvkk)

187 Ahh ok, it was so the replicants wouldn't develop their own emotions.

Posted by: booger at December 22, 2011 03:54 PM (EjNp5)

188 By the way, the actor Josh Malina wrote something hilarious on Twitter, which is rare for a celebrity. In case you didn't see it, he wrote: Life is like a Katharine Heigl movie: Horrible.

Posted by: ace at December 22, 2011 03:54 PM (nj1bB)

189 >>Like if we "engineer" some "replicants" who are exactly humans, but we deliberately make their eyes shine gold in a certain light, and then say, "Anyone whose eyes shine gold in a certain light are legally 'robots' and not 'humans,' and you can own the hot ones to have as your sexual slaves."


Moon was like that without the sex part.

Posted by: sTevo at December 22, 2011 03:55 PM (VMcEw)

190 Logan's Run makes me feel funny inside.

Posted by: Chritianne Amanpour at December 22, 2011 03:55 PM (niW49)

191 167 Like if we "engineer" some "replicants" who are exactly humans, but we deliberately make their eyes shine gold in a certain light, and then say, "Anyone whose eyes shine gold in a certain light are legally 'robots' and not 'humans,' and you can own the hot ones to have as your sexual slaves."

Posted by: ace at December 22, 2011 07:48 PM (nj1bB)

Ace..... Why are you trying to break into Christina Hendrick's house with Gold tinted contact lenses?

Posted by: buzzion at December 22, 2011 03:55 PM (GULKT)

192 oh and Plinkett of RedLetterMedia.com is going to drop a long review of Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull on or around Christmas, so be on the lookout.

Posted by: ace at December 22, 2011 03:55 PM (nj1bB)

193 Soldier was cool, and probably the last movie Gary Busey did before going insane

Posted by: Schwalbe at December 22, 2011 03:56 PM (IxGUR)

194 186 Logan's Run.  Now there's a heterosexual's movie.

You're right. People prancing around in spandex chanting "renew, renew" is so totally not gay.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at December 22, 2011 03:56 PM (Qxdfp)

195 Cool guns and shit blowing up almost always will distract me from kooky plots or deficiency.

Posted by: Bosk at December 22, 2011 06:59 PM (n2K+4)

Oh, dude! I am a huge fan of Aliens! It is a great, great movie. No argument here.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at December 22, 2011 03:56 PM (nEUpB)

196 oh and Plinkett of RedLetterMedia.com is going to drop a long review of Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull on or around Christmas, so be on the lookout.

Have the two of you ever been photographed together?

Posted by: fluffy at December 22, 2011 03:57 PM (Lpgtj)

197 blaster, you did not agree with me in the way I wanted, so you must be destroyed.

Posted by: ace at December 22, 2011 03:57 PM (nj1bB)

198 As an aside, more frightening than Aliens, a Bohemian Shat Attack! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKo4FMzt_hM Please say you don't hate me...

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 22, 2011 03:58 PM (niZvt)

199 I watched Alien after eating too many marijuana brownies.  I was freaked for several days.

Posted by: Racist, Right-Wing Terrorist...or Tea Party Member for short at December 22, 2011 03:59 PM (nrgzd)

200 ace@193,

How much blood do you think Plinkett will squeeze out of The Crystal Skull turnip? Movie-content wise, I figure little. Bashing-wise? Gallons.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at December 22, 2011 03:59 PM (eHIJJ)

201 The Fifth element definitely had some campiness to it but i always thought it was just the right amount and there was enough of a real story for it to be a serious sci fi flick.

Posted by: booger at December 22, 2011 03:59 PM (EjNp5)

202 ... but I don't really remember Alien, so it's fine by me. Just think: "Hello my honey, Hello my baby, Hello my rag-time gal..." It'll come back to you.

Posted by: bergerbilder at December 22, 2011 03:59 PM (j+Izh)

203 'Logan's Run' had Jenny Agutter naked.   Not gay

Posted by: guy with one eye at December 22, 2011 03:59 PM (UqKQV)

204 "Logan's Run" had Farah Fawcett-Fixture Majors in a teeny-mini.  Not gay

Posted by: guy with one eye at December 22, 2011 04:01 PM (UqKQV)

205

Posted by: bergerbilder at December 22, 2011 07:59 PM (j+Izh)

Why am I thinking about Yogurt, Winnebagos, and John Candy right about now?   

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at December 22, 2011 04:01 PM (UR5vq)

206 Football?!

Posted by: Y-not at December 22, 2011 04:01 PM (5H6zj)

207 guy with one eye: 'Logan's Run' had Jenny Agutter naked. Not gay

But not long enough, so still gay.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at December 22, 2011 04:01 PM (eHIJJ)

208 Jenny Agutter was fucking hawt.Hell,maybe she still is.

Posted by: steevy at December 22, 2011 04:01 PM (7WJOC)

209 Katharine Heigl movies would work if she had blue eyes.  Think about it.

Posted by: rdbrewer at December 22, 2011 04:02 PM (kWnO0)

210

@114: "Why would you engineer a wee-bit-chubby kid that can't run fast enough to avoid being executed?"

For laughs, mostly.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at December 22, 2011 04:02 PM (jAqTK)

211 I think he will destroy Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, of course. It was like a Katharine Heigl movie: Horrible. It was really, really bad. because I love Indiana Jones, I have watched it, and I have dug to find about five or six decent things in this wreck. And I was being a little charitable. but it is horrible. It is horrible through and through. it is misconceived and awful in every single way.

Posted by: ace at December 22, 2011 04:02 PM (nj1bB)

212 Alien was made right at the nice point in the 70s where late night movies were ok and not regulated....think heVy metal stoner parties. The world dOesnt smoke enough pot.

Posted by: Rev dr L Ron Miller at December 22, 2011 04:03 PM (lAt8c)

213 Like if we "engineer" some "replicants" who are exactly humans, but we deliberately make their eyes shine gold in a certain light, and then say, "Anyone whose eyes shine gold in a certain light are legally 'robots' and not 'humans,' and you can own the hot ones to have as your sexual slaves."

As has been pointed out, that was the main question the movie revolved around.

They were created in a lab; not cloned, but manufactured.  Sabastian, for instance, designed the eyes.  There was mention of previous model generations.

They lacked certain emotional responses, could be made to ignore pain, have super-human strength, etc.  I don't remember them making it clear whether they had a human-like brain or not.

Is it so hard to believe that something- even something that in it's final evolution was almost identical to a human- wouldn't be considered human if it was completely man-made?

Early in the movie, the viewer doesn't really question that they're non-human, but as it progresses that changes.  You see them expressing grief, fear of death, etc.

Deckert goes from the hero who exterminates dangerous renegade "replicants" (early in the movie viewed like androids) to falling in love with one and recognizing the humanity they possess and express as the movie progresses.


Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 22, 2011 04:03 PM (SY2Kh)

214 "The Crystal Skull" is a steaming pile of wretched, vomitous, filth. George Lucas likes to shit on his properties like OWS protesters on cop cars.

Posted by: Hollywood Sux at December 22, 2011 04:03 PM (pVvkk)

215 I meant I have watched it about 20 times, because I have no life and am determined to find something of value in this stuttering clusterf**k of cinematic failure.

Posted by: ace at December 22, 2011 04:03 PM (nj1bB)

216  Could someone please explain what happened with the Keystone pipeline? Are we building it or not?

I thought that was part of the payroll tax fight or did the Repubs just surrender on that.

Posted by: American at December 22, 2011 04:04 PM (NWfYP)

217 The thing that pisses me off the most about Crystal Skull is that i paid to see it in the theater.

Posted by: booger at December 22, 2011 04:04 PM (EjNp5)

218  'Logan's Run' had Jenny Agutter naked.   Not gay

Posted by: guy with one eye at December 22, 2011 07:59 PM (UqKQV)

 

I saw it the first time with a date.  Halfway through the movie, I knew that she was preparing herself for what was going to happen once we got back to my apartment. 

Posted by: Soona at December 22, 2011 04:05 PM (CVIVG)

219 The aliens stole Keystone XL when a replicant went to Floston Paradise. It's all real complicated...

Posted by: Trust Me at December 22, 2011 04:05 PM (niW49)

220 I believe that obama has 60 days (not a full year as he wanted) to either approve it or kill it. I believe the thinking is that if he's going to kill it, he should at least be forced to take the political hit of telling a jobless nation he is cravenly surrendering to the greenies.

Posted by: ace at December 22, 2011 04:05 PM (nj1bB)

221 The thing that pisses me off the most about Crystal Skull is that i paid to see it in the theater. Posted by: booger at December 22, 2011 08:04 PM (EjNp5) They still have those? I have not paid to see a movie in near 10 years

Posted by: nevergiveup at December 22, 2011 04:05 PM (eCnLg)

222 That term was conceded days ago.

Posted by: ace at December 22, 2011 04:06 PM (nj1bB)

223 Okay, except for Jenny Agutter and FF-Majors, 'Logan's Run was Totally Gay

Posted by: guy with one eye at December 22, 2011 04:06 PM (UqKQV)

224

Aaaahhhh, Rachel.  She was the spittin' image of a girlfriend I once had.

Posted by: Soona at December 22, 2011 07:43 PM (CVIVG)

Ah...Sean Young. Crazier than a shithouse rat, but smokin' hot sometimes. She was sexy as hell in No Way Out.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at December 22, 2011 04:06 PM (nEUpB)

225 209 Jenny Agutter was fucking hawt.Hell,maybe she still is. Posted by: steevy at December 22, 2011 08:01 PM (7WJOC) Well, Logan's Run is now 36 years old, so to put it in culturally sensitive though nevertheless brutal-in-a-cruel-to-be-kind-sort-of-way, if she IS hot it's probably in the same sense that yesterday's leftover meatloaf is hot after being nuked in the microwave at Power Level 6 for about 45 seconds too long.

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 22, 2011 04:06 PM (niZvt)

226 Logan's Run had a robot in a ice cave.

Your argument is invalid.

Posted by: Bob_B at December 22, 2011 04:07 PM (niW49)

227 My one problem with Prometheus so far:the cast.Too pretty.This Noomi Rapace chick is the current girl in everything(if they make the females kick ass too,it will blow).

Posted by: steevy at December 22, 2011 04:07 PM (7WJOC)

Posted by: rdbrewer at December 22, 2011 04:08 PM (kWnO0)

229 198 blaster, you did not agree with me in the way I wanted, so you must be destroyed.

Posted by: ace at December 22, 2011 07:57 PM (nj1bB)

Stand off and Nuc him from orbit, its the only way to be sure...

Posted by: Movie Line? at December 22, 2011 04:08 PM (NtXW4)

230 Bitches leave.

Posted by: Clarence Boddicker, agreeing that he's annoyed with these juijitsu babes in every movie at December 22, 2011 04:08 PM (nj1bB)

231

@149: "Fifth Element is a great flick."

How is it that "war" freaks Leeloo out when she's reading/watching the encyclopedia thing, yet she made it through "genocide," "Holocaust," "rape," "murder," "ethnic cleansing," "Hiroshima," and other such words without much of a problem?

That always annoyed me.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at December 22, 2011 04:09 PM (jAqTK)

Posted by: Y-not at December 22, 2011 04:09 PM (5H6zj)

233 226 True.In American Werewolf in London she was still smoking that was 82-83 or so.Naked in that too.Shower sex scene.Seared in my memory.

Posted by: steevy at December 22, 2011 04:09 PM (7WJOC)

234 In other words: they were humans.

Posted by: ace at December 22, 2011 07:45 PM (nj1bB)

Sort of, but also jacked up physically and mentally...at least the Roy character.

I'm not sure that Gibson blurred the lines between replicants and humans as much as Scott did in Blade Runner

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at December 22, 2011 04:09 PM (nEUpB)

235 They still have those? I have not paid to see a movie in near 10 years

I still go to see the big summer blockbusters in the theater and just Netflix everything else.

Posted by: booger at December 22, 2011 04:09 PM (EjNp5)

236 The Thin Man just started on TCM.

Best moron line:

Nora: I read they shot you five times in the tabloids.

Nick: They didn't come anywhere near my tabloids.

Posted by: Retread at December 22, 2011 04:09 PM (ALZZ7)

237 222 The thing that pisses me off the most about Crystal Skull is that i paid to see it in the theater. Posted by: booger at December 22, 2011 08:04 PM (EjNp5) Well, what I admired about that movie was its unwavering scientific accuracy. It's not like it tried telling you the best way to survive an atomic bomb going off within a mile of you and the incredible shock wave, temperatures reaching thousands of degrees, and deadly radiation is to lock yourself in an old 1950's style refrigerator with no known way of getting out of... Wait... Oh, shit, they did WHAT???

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 22, 2011 04:10 PM (niZvt)

238 Posted by: steevy at December 22, 2011 08:01 PM (7WJOC)

I saw Equus on Broadway when I was a teenager. She was in it, and stripped nude during one scene.

She was in my A reel for a long time.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at December 22, 2011 04:10 PM (nEUpB)

239

@154: "Ferrari-Carano is really a good chardonnay."

True, by Mannlicher-Carcano always gave me a headache.

Posted by: Zombie John F. Kennedy at December 22, 2011 04:10 PM (jAqTK)

240 Funny, I think the exact opposite.  I think THAT version (more specifically the "Final Cut" which was released a couple years ago -- it's actually quite a big difference) is the only version of Blade Runner that is a true classic.  The theatrical release (with the narration) is just intolerable to me.  Such poor line-readings, such stilted writing.

I actually like the narration from Harrison. Although that kind of voice over is considered uncool these days, it works with the Noir style storyline.

Posted by: Max Power at December 22, 2011 04:11 PM (q177U)

241 But, DO Androids Dream of Electric Sheep??? WELL DO THEY?????

Posted by: Rhetorical Question? at December 22, 2011 04:12 PM (NtXW4)

242 Ah...Sean Young. Crazier than a shithouse rat, but smokin' hot sometimes. She was sexy as hell in No Way Out. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at December 22, 2011 08:06 PM (nEUpB) What exactly did Sean do that earned her the reputation of being a few nuts short of a Snicker's bar, anyway?

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 22, 2011 04:12 PM (niZvt)

243 How is it that "war" freaks Leeloo out when she's reading/watching the encyclopedia thing, yet she made it through "genocide," "Holocaust," "rape," "murder," "ethnic cleansing," "Hiroshima," and other such words without much of a problem?

Heh, never thought of it that way, i just always assumed she was crying from the cumulative effect of it all.

Posted by: booger at December 22, 2011 04:12 PM (EjNp5)

244 Ford purposely sabotaged the narration because he hated it.

Posted by: steevy at December 22, 2011 04:13 PM (7WJOC)

245 didn't she send a dead cat to somebody?

Posted by: Bob_B at December 22, 2011 04:13 PM (niW49)

246 Iffn you like Jenny Agutter Naked, try "Walkabout"

Interesting film; get the original version, as it was re-issued with most of her Bodacious Bod edited out

Posted by: guy with one eye at December 22, 2011 04:13 PM (UqKQV)

247 Well, I'm not a guy, but Leeloo never looked that hawt to me. 

But I still like the movie.  Mostly because of Zorg.

Posted by: Y-not at December 22, 2011 04:14 PM (5H6zj)

248 247 didn't she send a dead cat to somebody? Posted by: Bob_B at December 22, 2011 08:13 PM (niW49) I think you must have her confused with Rahm "Dead Fish" Emanuel. Which, seriously, is disturbing...

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 22, 2011 04:14 PM (niZvt)

249 244 For one thing she went to the producer (or someone) of the Tim Burton Batman acting like Catwoman.

Posted by: steevy at December 22, 2011 04:15 PM (7WJOC)

250 That always annoyed me.

Words like "genocide" and "holocaust" don't come up in conversation often.  Perhaps she didn't go through it completely one word and letter at a time, but skipped around to learn the meaning of commonly used words.

"War" being more common than "Hiroshima", she skipped to that one.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 22, 2011 04:15 PM (SY2Kh)

251 Deckert goes from the hero who exterminates dangerous renegade "replicants" (early in the movie viewed like androids) to falling in love with one and recognizing the humanity they possess and express as the movie progresses.


Supposedly he IS a replicant, himself. Although that doesn't explain why he is so fragile and human like.

Posted by: Max Power at December 22, 2011 04:15 PM (q177U)

252 CoolCzech@238,

Yeah, it was probably best if you left your brain at home before seeing that movie. It could only have been worse if the aliens merged into Jar Jar Binks in the spaceship. So at least that didn't happen.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at December 22, 2011 04:15 PM (eHIJJ)

253 I dunno... I Rahm would grow his hair our, and pout a little more...

Posted by: Bob_B at December 22, 2011 04:15 PM (pVvkk)

254 251 244 For one thing she went to the producer (or someone) of the Tim Burton Batman acting like Catwoman. Posted by: steevy at December 22, 2011 08:15 PM (7WJOC) Did she act like Porky the Pig later that night, though?

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 22, 2011 04:16 PM (niZvt)

255 Harrison Ford couldn't stand Sean Young either.The crew called their scenes "hate scenes".

Posted by: steevy at December 22, 2011 04:16 PM (7WJOC)

256 didn't she send a dead cat to somebody?

Posted by: Bob_B at December 22, 2011 08:13 PM (niW49)

 

So she was a boiled-rabbit sort of girl.  I'd still hit it......and run. 

Posted by: Soona at December 22, 2011 04:16 PM (CVIVG)

257 oh and Plinkett of RedLetterMedia.com is going to drop a long review of Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull on or around Christmas, so be on the lookout.

OH SHIT!!! I freakin love that guy.

Posted by: Max Power at December 22, 2011 04:16 PM (q177U)

258 air jordan shoes: teh ghey

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at December 22, 2011 04:17 PM (Qxdfp)

259 I've never seen Crystal Skull.I'm proud of that.

Posted by: steevy at December 22, 2011 04:17 PM (7WJOC)

260 "Nuke the fridge" has anyone mentioned that?

Posted by: Max Power at December 22, 2011 04:18 PM (q177U)

261

@213: "The world dOesnt smoke enough pot."

Speak for yaself, crab!

Posted by: Hermes Conrad, Jamaican bureaucrat at December 22, 2011 04:18 PM (jAqTK)

262 You're tightly wound lately. It's a joke. People are telling me to turn in my man card so I thought I'd return the favor and pronounce, authoritatively, that Alien is a homosexual-interest film. Posted by: ace

Does this joke extend to "As much I find Blade Runner boring and ponderous.."?

Because that, sir, is pretty much the equivalent of torching your man card in a lemon/verbena scented candle.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 22, 2011 04:18 PM (py7Of)

263 "Logan's Run" is being re-made, BTW.     By dickwads, probably

Posted by: guy with one eye at December 22, 2011 04:18 PM (UqKQV)

264 Alternatively, go Colts!

Posted by: Y-not at December 22, 2011 04:19 PM (5H6zj)

265 Harrison Ford really needs to hang up Indiana's hat once and for all. The scenes featuring him in his 70's pretending to punch somebody emphasize his Old Man butt sag; it's a wonder he doesn't rip one each time he throws a punch.

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 22, 2011 04:20 PM (niZvt)

266 DADES (I was typing DADT and said WTF that doesn't look right) is completely different from Blade Runner, yet they still managed to lift passages from the book verbatim and work them in. Pretty impressive screen writing.

Posted by: blaster at December 22, 2011 04:20 PM (Fw2Gg)

267

@219: "Halfway through the movie, I knew that she was preparing herself for what was going to happen once we got back to my apartment. "

They make an antidote for a chloroform-soaked rag?  Good to know...

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at December 22, 2011 04:20 PM (jAqTK)

268 246 Ford purposely sabotaged the narration because he hated it.

Posted by: steevy at December 22, 2011 08:13 PM (7WJOC)

There are many popular works that the artist hated, and even some that they intentionally attempted to sabotage and are still popular.

Posted by: buzzion at December 22, 2011 04:20 PM (GULKT)

269 251 244 For one thing she went to the producer (or someone) of the Tim Burton Batman acting like Catwoman.

She used her appearance on the Joan Rivers show as a  Catwoman audition - that's the clip you're thinking of. 

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at December 22, 2011 04:21 PM (UR5vq)

270 Supposedly he IS a replicant, himself. Although that doesn't explain why he is so fragile and human like.

In the production version of the movie, I don't recall any indication that he was anything other than human.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 22, 2011 04:21 PM (SY2Kh)

271 steevy: "I've never seen Crystal Skull. I'm proud of that."

Mine's Avatar. The snippets I've run across convince me I missed some really good dreck. Thankfully.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at December 22, 2011 04:22 PM (eHIJJ)

272 It's ironic that the most hyper-realistic science fiction movie ever filmed was made almost 50 years ago now: 2001: A Space Odyssey still ranks as the most literate, spectacular, and best looking piece of futurama ever made. Best of all - a profoundly optimistic movie, from back in the days when "futuristic" meant Light, Progress, Goodness, Something to Look Forward to. Everything made since has been nihilistic garbage.

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 22, 2011 04:25 PM (niZvt)

273 262 "Nuke the fridge" has anyone mentioned that?

That was ridiculous, but it wasn't any more ridiculous than Indy and Co using a rubber life-raft to escape a pilot-less plane - Temple of Doom is a good Indy flick.

"Kingdom of the Crystal Skull" was crap from beginning to end.  And Shia La whatever-the-hell-his-last-name-is as potentially the next Indy?  To hell with that?

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at December 22, 2011 04:25 PM (UR5vq)

274

Late in the game to say it, I know, but why, oh why, didn't they go with the William Gibson script for Aliens 3?

What studio exec actually read that and said "No, we'll go with a plot where we kill off everyone the audience responded to in the last film and focus on an ill-defined quasi religious cult built around the worship of Charles Dutton in NatHealth glasses." 

Posted by: A. Pendragon at December 22, 2011 04:25 PM (XDdB5)

275 "Logan's Runs" is a #OWS documentary that Michael Moore is working on.

Posted by: bergerbilder at December 22, 2011 04:25 PM (j+Izh)

276 Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at December 22, 2011 08:22 PM (eHIJJ)

Avatar is in a class by itself. That is the most pompous, pretentious, irritating, overblown movie in history. It's also anti_American to boot. Oh, and that special technique he used to make it oh-so-lifelike? It looks like a fucking cartoon.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at December 22, 2011 04:26 PM (nEUpB)

277 Mine's Avatar. The snippets I've run across convince me I missed some really good dreck. Thankfully. Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at December 22, 2011 08:22 PM (eHIJJ) I was going to skip it, I swear... but the Mrs. dragged me to it. And then she dragged me to Eat, Pray, Love. I'm a beaten man.

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 22, 2011 04:26 PM (niZvt)

278

@274: "It's ironic that the most hyper-realistic science fiction movie ever filmed was made almost 50 years ago now: 2001: A Space Odyssey still ranks as the most literate, spectacular, and best looking piece of futurama ever made. "

The HAL Pacino youtube short is good, too:

http://tinyurl.com/q3zqd7

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at December 22, 2011 04:27 PM (jAqTK)

279 >>> She used her appearance on the Joan Rivers show as a Catwoman audition - that's the clip you're thinking of. I think she actually tried to force her way on to the set dressed as catwoman too. She also sort of stalked James Woods, who apparently broke her heart, and left baby doll with pins stuck through it on his next girlfriend's, or his wife's, whatever's, doorstep. Well she says she didn't. But the list of suspects is pretty short.

Posted by: ace at December 22, 2011 04:27 PM (nj1bB)

280 Avatar is in a class by itself. That is the most pompous, pretentious, irritating, overblown movie in history. It's also anti_American to boot. Oh, and that special technique he used to make it oh-so-lifelike? It looks like a fucking cartoon. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at December 22, 2011 08:26 PM (nEUpB) Of course it's anti-American: the All American Sergeant being the epitome of the Ugly American was a stab at John Wayne in Iwo Jima, of course. Never mind anti-American, it's a racist piece of anti-White garbage. The Hero is Redeemed by a race change operation, for God's sake. From White to Blue. NOT brown, mind you - the only decent human is a Latina, natch. Paging Doctor Mendella!

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 22, 2011 04:28 PM (niZvt)

281 Posted by: CoolCzech at December 22, 2011 08:25 PM (niZvt)

No offense, but did you actually watch 2001?  'Cause it certainly hasn't aged well, and the imagery and message was not terribly subtle.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at December 22, 2011 04:28 PM (nEUpB)

282 Mmmm... Sean Young. The Sleeper has AWAKENED, baby. Replicant or not, I'd still put my 3.5" floppy in her hard dr- Damnit.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 22, 2011 04:29 PM (XE2Oo)

283 273 Never saw that either.It's on all the time on the cable channels and I wont watch it.

Posted by: steevy at December 22, 2011 04:30 PM (7WJOC)

284

there are alot of good lines in movies that everyone remembers. then there is.........

I love you Blue.

Posted by: Racefan at December 22, 2011 04:30 PM (wbyED)

285 284 Mmmm... Sean Young.

That isn't Sean Young.  That's Ray Finkle...she's a man! 

Posted by: Ace Ventura at December 22, 2011 04:30 PM (UR5vq)

286 Hey, did you know that "Forbidden Planet" was Joe Biden's first movie?

Posted by: bergerbilder at December 22, 2011 04:30 PM (j+Izh)

287 279 That's why I'm happy being alone.Not lonely at all.Nope.

Posted by: steevy at December 22, 2011 04:30 PM (7WJOC)

288 2001 sucked. Seriously. Kubrick totally needs to get over himself. Yeah, I said it. Zombie Kubrick too, for that matter. In DADES Deckard is made to question his humanity on purpose. In Blade Runner he does it on his own. That's why he is at the piano with all the pictures. He is wondering whether they were real or implants. In Director's cut they put it in the unicorn dream, and Gaff leaves an origami unicorn behind, implying that Deckard is a replicant, and Gaff knows the memories that were implanted. But it is implied, and just barely more perceptible than the doubts at the piano.

Posted by: blaster at December 22, 2011 04:31 PM (Fw2Gg)

289 Fa cube, thank you for that. That was hilarious. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTd2kdVXmP0 HAL as played by Al Pacino. So, so silly.

Posted by: ace at December 22, 2011 04:31 PM (nj1bB)

290 '2001' was a good movie to make out to;  also, "Hiroshima, Mon Amour"

Pan Am running shuttle flights to a space station in 2001.  Heh.

Posted by: guy with one eye at December 22, 2011 04:31 PM (UqKQV)

291

@282: "Paging Doctor Mendella!"

Yo, whassup dawg?

Posted by: Hybrid offspring of Nelson Mandela and Josef Mengele at December 22, 2011 04:32 PM (jAqTK)

292 Never mind anti-American, it's a racist piece of anti-White garbage. The Hero is Redeemed by a race change operation, for God's sake. From White to Blue. 

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 22, 2011 08:28 PM (niZvt)

That never occurred to me, but it will be difficult to make my opinion of the movie worse, since I really and truly believe that it was the worst big-budget movie of the last 20 years, and only the rank stupidity and vulpine tendencies of the movie media saved it from the trash heap.


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at December 22, 2011 04:33 PM (nEUpB)

293 Late in the game to say it, I know, but why, oh why, didn't they go with the William Gibson script for Aliens 3?

I wouldn't mind reading that.

Posted by: rdbrewer at December 22, 2011 04:33 PM (kWnO0)

294 290 Yes,it's ambiguous but Scott is adamant that Deckard IS a replicant.The screenwriter hated the idea,he meant it as a canard,no more.

Posted by: steevy at December 22, 2011 04:35 PM (7WJOC)

295
Best of all - a profoundly optimistic movie, from back in the days when "futuristic" meant Light, Progress, Goodness, Something to Look Forward to.

Everything made since has been nihilistic garbage.

Yeah, i've been complaining for a long time about the lazy habit of just making movies dark or edgy or whatever you want to call it instead of trying to write a good story, i want my Close Encounter of the Third Kind aliens back dammit.

Posted by: booger at December 22, 2011 04:35 PM (EjNp5)

296 Also, in the original release, Rachael questions Deckard: You know that Voight-Kampf test of yours? Did you ever take that test yourself? Deckard?

Posted by: blaster at December 22, 2011 04:35 PM (Fw2Gg)

297 295 Clive Barker wrote a script as well.

Posted by: steevy at December 22, 2011 04:35 PM (7WJOC)

298 No offense, but did you actually watch 2001? 'Cause it certainly hasn't aged well, and the imagery and message was not terribly subtle. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at December 22, 2011 08:28 PM (nEUpB) I have to disagree on many levels. The effects are spectacular: the pods were lifesize, for starters. No one could film that movie today to look so good, because it would be too expensive - they would go the CGI route, which has one minor drawback: you can see it's fake. Other than that, CGI is just great. I'm surprised you found the plot so easy to comprehend - I find something new each time I watch it. The HAL with the One Eyed Camera being the One-eyed Cyclops that the Greek Odysseus killed by blinding - like Dave does near the end of the movie, for example. The fact the entire plot line follows the arc of the famous Sphinx's riddle, for another. In fact, many people utterly miss that the lunar shuttle landing on the Moon literally looks like the Sphinx as it lands... Just amazingly well thought out and executed.

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 22, 2011 04:36 PM (niZvt)

299 Posted by: rdbrewer at December 22, 2011 08:33 PM (kWnO0)

William Gibson's script for Aliens 3.

(I have no idea whether this is real).

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at December 22, 2011 04:38 PM (nEUpB)

300

rd - It's online, or was, at least.  Can't dig up the link, but I'm betting somebody on here has it.  Great read, and one of the best finales ever - a tragedy that they didn't go with it. 

 

Posted by: A. Pendragon at December 22, 2011 04:38 PM (XDdB5)

301 Yeah, i've been complaining for a long time about the lazy habit of just making movies dark or edgy or whatever you want to call it instead of trying to write a good story, i want my Close Encounter of the Third Kind aliens back dammit. Posted by: booger at December 22, 2011 08:35 PM (EjNp5) The Batman movies are the worst offenders. What goes through the minds of the clowns that churn those things out? "Hey, you know what man? Let's make the next Batman movie really artsy like by making it even more DARK!" Some of them got so dark, you could hardly see anything on the screen anymore.

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 22, 2011 04:39 PM (niZvt)

302 CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative): "It looks like a fucking cartoon."

Yeah, that's another thing. Forgetting the tripe of a timed theme to capitalize on the Greening of a Nation at the height of Climategate and the general America-bashing, the optics were just... underwhelming. It was feverishly sold as some breakthrough technological cinemascape and all I could say (from what I've seen) is, "That's it? This is what they're wetting themselves over?" Conclusion from an outsider's perspective: marketing gimmick to justify quadzillions of dollars in expenses or industry sales spiel to drum up studio business a la Lucasfilms.

Ultimately, I think The Three Stooges with rubberized props was a bigger cinematic breakthrough.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at December 22, 2011 04:40 PM (eHIJJ)

303 It's ironic that the most hyper-realistic science fiction movie ever filmed was made almost 50 years ago now: 2001: A Space Odyssey still ranks as the most literate, spectacular, and best looking piece of futurama ever made.

Now you've gone and done it...

2001 is the most overrated, boring, meaningless pieces of self-indulgent garbage ever released.

OK, so it had great special effects and visuals.  So. Fucking. What.  A Michael fucking Bay movie has great special effects too.  Doesn't make it good.

Hey- let's put the audience through 8 fucking minutes of watching a space station float around... and if we set it to classical music, that makes it art!  Follow it up with another 7 minutes of a spaceship going by!  Just make it look cool, don't worry about it having the slightest relevance to the non-existent plot or the characters nobody gives two shits about.

A plot?  Nah, fuck that, we gots ourselves a talking computer!  Character development?  Screw that; throw in a 11 fucking minute psychedelic sequence instead!

2001 was a 40 minute movie- at most- that was stretched out to almost three... long... boring... wasted... hours because Kubrick couldn't be bothered to make anything approaching a watchable movie.

Fuck 2001: A Space Odyssey, fuck Kubrick for making it, fuck every fucking person who brought that pretentious, boring piece of shit to film.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 22, 2011 04:42 PM (SY2Kh)

304 The Batman movies are the worst offenders. What goes through the minds of the clowns that churn those things out?

In fact Burton's first Batman was what kicked off the dark trend, i actually remember Siskel and Ebert raving about how groundbreaking it was because of it's darkness and now the whole dark thing has gotten so ridiculous that Burton's Batman looks campy in comparison to the ones these days.

Posted by: booger at December 22, 2011 04:42 PM (EjNp5)

305 CoolCzech: "And then she dragged me to Eat, Pray, Love..."

I'll pray for you, but not in a Julia Roberts sort-of-way. You know, sincerely.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at December 22, 2011 04:43 PM (eHIJJ)

306 294 Never mind anti-American, it's a racist piece of anti-White garbage. The Hero is Redeemed by a race change operation, for God's sake. From White to Blue. Posted by: CoolCzech at December 22, 2011 08:28 PM (niZvt) That never occurred to me, but it will be difficult to make my opinion of the movie worse, since I really and truly believe that it was the worst big-budget movie of the last 20 years, and only the rank stupidity and vulpine tendencies of the movie media saved it from the trash heap. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at December 22, 2011 08:33 PM (nEUpB) If you think back, you might recall how for a while there, the Intellectually Challenged Folk known as Liberals were in all seriousness speaking of "the Blue People" as representative of the oppressed swarthy masses, as though they were actually real. Sort of the precursor to the present "Ninety Nine Percent" Liberal Dementia. Maybe they should start speaking of the "Blue Ninety Nine Percent."

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 22, 2011 04:45 PM (niZvt)

307 Pretty cool trailer, the special effects do seem to look better. Some of the scenery design reminds of some of the video games. I want to say certain parts of the HALO series, or maybe mass effect, or gears of war. I can't put my finger on it exactly.

Posted by: Berserker at December 22, 2011 04:45 PM (FMbng)

308 Thanks, CBD.

Posted by: rdbrewer at December 22, 2011 04:45 PM (kWnO0)

309 Posted by: CoolCzech at December 22, 2011 08:36 PM (niZvt)

For its time is was a fine movie, but my measure of greatness is whether it can be watched with the same pleasure by the next generation, and 2001 simply falls flat now. I think Kubrick set out to make a "thinking man's movie," in contrast to the space movies of the late 50s-late 60s.

Maybe I am being an iconoclast, because it certainly has many positives. It is beautifully shot and edited, and it was novel. I don't know about the cyclops imagery....that's stretching it a bit.

But...here's a good exercise. Alien was made just ten years later. Watch the two of them and choose the one that will be watched in another 20 years.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at December 22, 2011 04:45 PM (nEUpB)

310 And sure enough, someone did have the link!  That looks to be the same one I read, although what draft this might represent in the screenwriting process, I have no idea.  There was a rumor that another script making the rounds at pre-production time featured a medieval motif, but I've never come across anything concrete related to that.

Posted by: A. Pendragon at December 22, 2011 04:46 PM (XDdB5)

311 Fuck 2001: A Space Odyssey, fuck Kubrick for making it, fuck every fucking person who brought that pretentious, boring piece of shit to film. Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 22, 2011 08:42 PM (SY2Kh) So you thought it was alright, then?

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 22, 2011 04:47 PM (niZvt)

312 You know Hollowpoint really needs to step out of his shell every once in a while. It's really hard to decipher exactly where he stands sometimes.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at December 22, 2011 04:49 PM (eHIJJ)

313 Posted by: CoolCzech at December 22, 2011 08:36 PM (niZvt)

...However.... I also liked Alien Resurrection, so take my movie comments with that in mind.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at December 22, 2011 04:50 PM (nEUpB)

314 "Verum Serum questions how this plot could fit into the Alien mythology, but I don't really remember Alien, so it's fine by me."

I'm sure someone else has hit on this already but that circular boomerang looking ship is the same on the Aliens were found in on LV-426 in Alien (and the extended cut of Aliens), so it seems the plot will involve just exactly what that ship was and who the race of beings were the piloted it...or something along those lines.

Posted by: Sgt. York at December 22, 2011 04:53 PM (H3Kr3)

315 Sigourney Weaver NSFW (sort of, I guess).

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at December 22, 2011 04:53 PM (nEUpB)

316 Well,I looked it up.Clive Barker never did an Alien 3 script but he was offered the job to write and direct.He turned it down.Certainly Gibson's (which is a screenplay of a story by Walter Hill and David Geller),is better than the POS they ultimately made.

Posted by: steevy at December 22, 2011 04:54 PM (7WJOC)

317 Clive Barker's Weaveworld is a great book, always wanted it to be turned into a movie.

Posted by: booger at December 22, 2011 04:55 PM (EjNp5)

318 It is beautifully shot and edited, and it was novel. I don't know about the cyclops imagery....that's stretching it a bit. Not at all. Remember, in the ancient Greek Odyssey, Odysseus's crew is killed by a giant with one eye called a Cyclops. Odysseus saves himself by blinding the Cyclops. In 2001, David's entire crew is murdered by HAL, who is constantly represented as a single eyed computer. David saves himself by slowly shutting down HAL's circuits, leading HAL to complain that he cannot see. The fact the entire plot of the movie revolves around an ancient Greek mythological riddle asked of Oedipus by a Sphinx makes it obvious you should be on the lookout for Greek mythological allusions. The riddle was this: What crawls on all fours in the morning, walks upright on two legs at midday, and on three legs in the evening? The answer is Man: a baby crawls, a man walks, an old man walks with a cain. The movie is about the 3 ages of man: man as primitive, man as mature being (with space flight), and man reaching old age about to die (Dave as an old man in the bed at the end of the movie). What saves Man at the end can be considered the monotheistic God: literally, the Monolith. And the dying Dave, representing all Mankind, reaches out to it in exactly the same gesture - an outstretched finger - that Michelangelo's Adam uses to reach out to God in the Sistine Chapel. And that is just some of the allusions in the movie. Searching for them is half the fun.

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 22, 2011 04:55 PM (niZvt)

319 For its time is was a fine movie, but my measure of greatness is whether it can be watched with the same pleasure by the next generation, and 2001 simply falls flat now. I think Kubrick set out to make a "thinking man's movie," in contrast to the space movies of the late 50s-late 60s.

2001 isn't a terrible movie because it failed to hold up to modern standards.

2001 was a terrible, boring, futile, meaningless, worthless, mindless, unthinking piece of shit the day it was released, and every day since.

I hate that fucking movie with the heat of a thousand suns.  Other than groundbreaking special effects and visuals, it had no redeeming qualities whatsoever.  NONE.

If I ever come to rule the Earth, my second order of business will be to see that every fucking copy of that movie is destroyed, lest anybody be conned by their douchebag hipster friends to watch it (because, KUBRICK, man!  You gotta see it because KUBRICK!), after which they'll have to pretend they enjoyed it in order that they not be shunned by the same hipster douches who also pretend to love it, because they were told they should.

First order of business, of course, will be to ban those stupid air hand-dryers in public bathrooms.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 22, 2011 04:56 PM (SY2Kh)

320 317 Sigourney Weaver NSFW (sort of, I guess). Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at December 22, 2011 08:53 PM (nEUpB) I would have shagged her, back in the day. But she started looking disturbingly like Michael Jackson in Aliens, and like a butch dyke in the Resurrection one.

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 22, 2011 04:59 PM (niZvt)

321 274 It's ironic that the most hyper-realistic science fiction movie ever filmed was made almost 50 years ago now: 2001: A Space Odyssey still ranks as the most literate, spectacular, and best looking piece of futurama ever made.

Best of all - a profoundly optimistic movie, from back in the days when "futuristic" meant Light, Progress, Goodness, Something to Look Forward to.

Everything made since has been nihilistic garbage.

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 22, 2011 08:25 PM (niZvt)

Ummmm, 2001 is painfully boring. The last 30 minutes are nearly unwatchable.

Posted by: joncelli at December 22, 2011 04:59 PM (+MbqG)

322 First order of business, of course, will be to ban those stupid air hand-dryers in public bathrooms. Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 22, 2011 08:56 PM (SY2Kh) Finally, something we can agree on. Instructions for using one of those things: 1. Press the filthy, germ infested button. 2. Hold your hands under the cold, cold air until you run out of patience. 3. Wipe your hands on your pants before you open the filthy, germ-infested door with your still wet hand.

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 22, 2011 05:01 PM (niZvt)

323 Ummmm, 2001 is painfully boring. The last 30 minutes are nearly unwatchable. Posted by: joncelli at December 22, 2011 08:59 PM (+MbqG) Goddamn it, I said it's a good fucking movie so it is, GOT IT!!!! It's like eating green olives: every kid thinks they suck, but you like them by the time you're old enuff for your taste buds to start dying off.

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 22, 2011 05:03 PM (niZvt)

324 312, I seem to recall the medieval motif stuff in the making of on my like 10 CD set.  Basically it was supposed to be in this giant monestary and the people there voluntarily gave up any tech more advanced than that.  They showed some of the concept art of the alien in the rafters and flying buttresses.  It was pretty neat.

Posted by: Ranba Ral at December 22, 2011 05:03 PM (G99e4)

325 The hand dryers where you put your hands under them suck but the hand dryers that are automatic and turn on when you slowly put your hands through them are pretty damn cool and work good.

Posted by: booger at December 22, 2011 05:06 PM (EjNp5)

326 These are the ones i mean, they work good.

Posted by: booger at December 22, 2011 05:08 PM (EjNp5)

327 I don't care how many people claim to have liked 2001: A Space Odyssey, I refuse to believe they did no matter how convincing or seemingly genuine they make that claim.

Until my dying day I will maintain that nobody- not a single sane and sober person who has ever walked the planet Earth- who has sat through that movie from beginning to end actually enjoyed it. 

And nobody can or will ever make me believe otherwise.  I'd sooner believe that they were born on a planet orbiting Alpha Centauri 300 years in the future.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 22, 2011 05:12 PM (SY2Kh)

328 The hand dryers where you put your hands under them suck but the hand dryers that are automatic and turn on when you slowly put your hands through them are pretty damn cool and work good.

Yeah, I'd make an exception for those.  But the ones that blow lukewarm air at a blistering 10mph on your hands?  A crime against humanity.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 22, 2011 05:14 PM (SY2Kh)

329 And Alien Resurrection. Gag me with a spoon.

Posted by: blaster at December 22, 2011 05:16 PM (Fw2Gg)

330 Until my dying day I will maintain that nobody- not a single sane and sober person who has ever walked the planet Earth- who has sat through that movie from beginning to end actually enjoyed it. Well, DUH, hollowpoint! When did I ever claim to be sane or sober, silly?

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 22, 2011 05:17 PM (niZvt)

331 William Gibson's Alien 3 Should Never Have Been Made

So, what, they used his name but not his scrip?

Posted by: rdbrewer at December 22, 2011 05:19 PM (kWnO0)

332 Speaking of Alpha Centauri, anyone else ever thought about peeling Judy Robinson's skintight silver astronaut jumpsuit off her tight Swedish blonde body and launching a probe of her hot, steaming yet sweet, sweet inner space??

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 22, 2011 05:19 PM (niZvt)

333 You know Major West was plowing that.

Posted by: blaster at December 22, 2011 05:22 PM (Fw2Gg)

334 335 You know Major West was plowing that. Posted by: blaster at December 22, 2011 09:22 PM (Fw2Gg) The younger sister was the cheap whore of the Jupiter 2. Why do you think they called her "Penny?"

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 22, 2011 05:26 PM (niZvt)

335 blade runner is not boring. It has one of the greatest lines in cinema history. Ace, stick to politics, at which you are gifted.

Posted by: mytralman at December 22, 2011 05:31 PM (ej6sF)

336 I saw 2001 for the first time earlier this year. If I hadn't read the book 15 years ago and still remembered most of the plot, the damn movie wouldn't have made a lick of sense. So, that movie sucks.

Second, what about Aliens 4? The underwater fight with the aliens was a pretty cool scene especially in the theater. The "mother" thing at the end was pure crap, though.

Posted by: Jimmuy at December 22, 2011 05:38 PM (hh/BN)

337 >>>I've never seen Crystal Skull.I'm proud of that.

Not only have I never seen Crystal Skull, I've never seen a single one of the Star Wars prequels.  Or Avatar, for that matter.

And yet I basically know the films backwards and forwards because of the Plinkett reviews.  That's some seriously rewatchable shit right there.

Posted by: Jeff B. at December 22, 2011 05:48 PM (hIWe1)

338

Late in the game to say it, I know, but why, oh why, didn't they go with the William Gibson script for Aliens 3?

Sigourney Weaver was playing hard-to-get for Alien 3- so they wrote a script around her.  When she signed on, they scrapped the script.

 

As to Prometheus- looks like a remake of Alien from the trailer.  I'll still see it as I loved Alien.

Posted by: Darth Randall at December 22, 2011 05:48 PM (98AOY)

339 I just read the thing at my link.  I don't like the idea of aliens as a virus either.

Posted by: rdbrewer at December 22, 2011 05:50 PM (kWnO0)

340

So, what, they used his name but not his scrip?

If I read it right, it's more of a condemnation of the hoopla surrounding Gibson's unproduced script, and chiefly because the guy that wrote the piece is a fan of the original (supposedly) concept for Aliens 3 that had the aliens coming to Earth.

I still defy anyone to read Gibson's treatment and not find it captivating, especially the finale, which would have been epic.  (Not to mention Gibson's take on how the Company approached the question of "weaponizing" the Alien, which actually made the creature more threatening than in the earlier films.)

Posted by: A. Pendragon at December 22, 2011 05:58 PM (XDdB5)

341 Way late to this thread, but let me just say...

Charlize Theron naked pushups? I''m there.

Posted by: brak at December 22, 2011 06:19 PM (nIoiW)

342 So the Space Jockeys are going to be like the Celestials from Marvel Comics?

Posted by: Dr. Strange at December 22, 2011 06:29 PM (niU6c)

343 "Space jockey" always reminds me of this.

Posted by: rdbrewer at December 22, 2011 06:45 PM (kWnO0)

344 Also, I noticed the ship looked similar to the ship on LV-426 too--like that one tipped over or something--but there are differences.  Look at the knobs and protrusions on the ends of the arms.

Posted by: rdbrewer at December 22, 2011 06:53 PM (kWnO0)

345 Knobs and protrusions.  Well, I guess if you flip that one over in the new trailer, it's the same thing.

Posted by: rdbrewer at December 22, 2011 07:12 PM (kWnO0)

346 I'm so stoked! I had read that they put the kybosh on the Alien prequel....I guess that wasn't the case! Woo Hoo!

Posted by: Random Hot Chick at December 22, 2011 07:33 PM (ngSjE)

347 I love the original Alien film.  It had a profound influence on many aspects of my creativity (anyone who's seen my paintings can attest to that), and it continues to be an ideal.

The first sequel is a great action film, one of the best, but it's so dunderheaded compared to the original that it's best to not think at all while watching it.

The third has its moments, but it's obviously a project that was doomed from frame one.

The fourth is idiotic.  Only some good actors (Brad Dourif, Ron Perlman) make it have any value at all, and even they're not at their best.

Will I see this in the theatre?  Depends on how much money I have, or if I'm still alive then...

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at December 22, 2011 07:51 PM (i0App)

348 Alien and Aliens -- two of the best EVAH! I'm psyched, thanks for the heads up

Posted by: DaMav at December 22, 2011 08:01 PM (QNU76)

349 329 Until my dying day I will maintain that nobody- not a single sane and sober person who has ever walked the planet Earth- who has sat through that movie from beginning to end actually enjoyed it. 

The phrase which I bolded, is key.

2001 was several good B-movies scrunched into one "great" movie. In small doses, or if you skip this or that longwinded Kubrick artsy scene, it can be dealt with.

Strip it down to the HAL plot and it becomes an epic for the ages. Actually the reason it has become an epic for the ages, despite itself, is because of the HAL plot. "daisy, daisy . . ."

Posted by: the Greeks at December 22, 2011 08:46 PM (6GvAC)

350 I think the scenes on the planet before the derelict is discovered are really quite jarring and kill the suspense...it's *FAR* more effective for the first thing we ever see of the colony is its wreck and ruin.

I would have kept it as a side-feature. It doesn't work within the movie, but it's nice to have alongside the movie... if that makes sense.

But then, that's why we buy DVDs.

Posted by: the Greeks at December 22, 2011 08:49 PM (6GvAC)

351 Good BYE, sock.

Posted by: Zimriel at December 22, 2011 08:49 PM (6GvAC)

352
First order of business, of course, will be to ban those stupid air hand-dryers in public bathrooms. Posted by: Hollowpoint

The new hi-speed xcelarator works good.  Of course that just blasts the water onto the sink but your hands get dry.

Posted by: DaveA at December 22, 2011 09:02 PM (GH3uG)

353 Quitting this blog. Only a fool would think Blade Runner is boring...and vote for Rick Perry.

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