1 Free Delivery!

2 9-9-9

3

4 "I'm not Romney"

5 Alter and abolish!

6 'No charge for pizzas delivered in more than 30 minutes.'

7 "Don't blame Wall Street, don't blame the big banks. If you don't have a job and you are not rich, blame yourself! "

8 'Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure'

9 Thinking...

10 This must be part 2 in Ace getting all emotional all the while telling us where thinking with our hearts not our heads.

11 That gun control laws should be a left up to the states.

Oh, wait...

12 Can't think of one, and that's the problem (and the point of this post, I surmise).

13 Fuck Romney.

14 I can't remember exactly but go back and review that first "debate". It was full of good red meat for conservatives.

Most of his stuff for the eval I got from his platform at the web site since he has never held an elected office.  That is both his weakness and his strength.

15 I got nuthin'.  Just sayin.

16 $9.99 for any pizza!

17 "The biggest - one of the biggest barriers to driving economic growth is the capital gains tax rate. I propose taking it to zero. "

18

Remember, the argument is that we don't have to settle for anything less than a True Blue Conservative,

Wait, there's one actually running?  And I missed it?  Damn that paint huffing!

19 Free delivery.

20 "We need responsible regulations, not regulations that have gone wild. For example, the EPA has a rule that is going to be implemented Jan. 1, 2012, where they're going to begin to regulate dust. That's right, dust. It's called PM 2.5. That is focusing on the wrong thing. "

21 >>>"Don't blame Wall Street, don't blame the big banks. If you don't have a job and you are not rich, blame yourself! " That's clear. I don't think it's very persuasive, though. Especially because I do in fact blame Wall Street and the big banks for the Great Recession (in collusion with government -- but still, they are not blameless).

22 And while I'm trying to think of even one conservative thing Cain has uttered.. Can you put up "Memories" from Cats, please?

23 >>>This must be part 2 in Ace getting all emotional all the while telling us where thinking with our hearts not our heads. Emotional about emotion, yes. If Cain's dropping some sweet Reaganesque bon mots, I want to know about them. I want to know HOW he got the status of True Conservative. I want to know HOW people know What's In His Heart (TM).

24 That is the problem with these debates. Aside from Liquid Whore and punishing people simply because of a combination of breaking the law and having the wrong last name (but mostly for breaking the law), the debates have that empty, I just ate Chinese food feeling, I have no idea of what these people's inner ideals are. Except for Newt! and my main homegirl, Michelle B! We need a debate to focus on big picture stuff, not idiotic attacks by Perry on Mitt hiring illegal aliens.

25 Herman Cain visits Oskaloosa

Cain brought up energy dependence in America too. Cain said that the United States needs to take a look at restructuring the EPA. “I believe that we should get serious about energy independence rather than energy dependence, and in order to do that, that means we’re going to have to do some major restructuring of the Environment Protection Agency,” Cain said. Cain continued, “The EPA has gone wild. They are affecting farmers, they are affecting people who are in the oil and gas business, they are impacting our households with over regulatory reach.”

I like his stance on the EPA. Can he deliver? Don't know but he has to be better than the JEF.

26 He doesn't want to negotiate with terrorists today.

27 "One of the biggest problems we have with this country right now is too much government intervention trying to tell businesses how to do what they do best - which is create jobs"

28 He was endorsed by the completely sane Michael Savage.

29 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

No, Cain didn't say it, it's just my first post in the new thread.

30 Just in case you're wondering: "What has Cain said?"

<sup>African-Americans have been brainwashed into not being open minded, not even considering a conservative point of view. I have received some of that same vitriol simply because I am running for the Republican nomination as a conservative. So it's just brainwashing and people not being open minded, pure and simple.
Herman Cain

Americans need accurate information in order to consider Social Security reform. Too bad the media can't be counted upon to provide it.
Herman Cain

And I'm here to tell you, the reaction that I'm getting around the country, people are sick and tired of this word in Washington, compromise. This is why nothing ever gets done.
Herman Cain

Chris Christie has been saying for a long time he's not interested in running. The media is trying to create a story by sucking Chris Christie into race, just like they made a story by sucking Rick Perry into the race.
Herman Cain

Don't blame Wall Street, don't blame the big banks. If you don't have a job and you are not rich, blame yourself!
Herman Cain

I am an American. Black. Conservative. I don't use African-American, because I'm American, I'm black and I'm conservative. I don't like people trying to label me. African- American is socially acceptable for some people, but I am not some people.
Herman Cain

I didn't know I was a conservative when it didn't matter to me growing up.
Herman Cain

I don't have more money. I won't have more money than any of the candidates, even the Republican candidates. We know that already. But we are building this campaign team like I would build a business. And that is, we are building it so far with no debt.
Herman Cain

I started at Pillsbury as a manager in one of their analysis functions, then worked my way up the corporate ladder to become vice president. Moving to Burger King was an important moment in my career.
Herman Cain

I think that taxes would be fair if we first get rid of the tax code. This is the ultimate solution, not to just say we're going to trim around the edges, not to say that we will try to simplify a little of this and a little of that. The problem is, replace the tax code, so we can establish tax fairness for everybody.
Herman Cain


I would have to have people totally committed to the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of this United States. And many of the Muslims, they are not totally dedicated to this country. They are not dedicated to our Constitution. Many of them are trying to force Sharia law on the people of this country.
Herman Cain

I'm not a professional politician. I'm a professional problem solver, and I believe we should cut the salaries of senators and congressmen 10 percent until they balance the budget. I call that conservative common sense.
Herman Cain

If I had been under ObamaCare, and a beaurocrat had been trying to tell me when I could get that CT scan, that would have delayed my treatment. I was able to get the treatment as fast as I could based upon my timetable, and not the government's timetable. That's what saved my life.
Herman Cain

If the world market believed that we were serious about energy independence and we were going to utilize all of our own existing resources, the speculators would stop speculating up they start speculating down as we get our own oil out of the ground.
Herman Cain

In order to fix Social Security, we must restructure it so that we continue to provide for our Nation's seniors that are approaching retirement age, but allow for younger taxpayers to invest a portion of their Social Security taxes in private accounts.
Herman Cain

It's time to get real, folks. Hope and change ain't working. Hope and change is not a solution. Hope and change is not a job.
Herman Cain

Let me tell you what the Cain Doctrine would be, as it relates to Israel if I were president. You mess with Israel, you are messing with the United States of America!
Herman Cain

Most of the ancestors that I can trace were born here in the United States of America. And then it goes back to slavery. And I'm sure my ancestors go all the way back to Africa, but I feel more of an affinity for America than I do for Africa. I'm a black man in America.
Herman Cain

Most of the people who are in elective office in Washington, D.C., they have held public office before. How's that workin' for you?
Herman Cain

My motivation for running for Senate was not for the stature of being a senator, but because I wanted to make a difference on issues I feel passionate about.
Herman Cain

My presence in the social media and on the Internet is much bigger than many of the other candidates, including Mitt Romney. So, when you take the social media and you take the Tea Party citizens movement, you have a combination there that, quite frankly, 10 years ago, I wouldn't have had a chance.
Herman Cain

Nobody motivates today's workers. If it doesn't come from within, it doesn't come. Fun helps remove the barriers that allow people to motivate themselves.
Herman Cain

One of the questions that I often get is, 'Why are you running to be President?'. To Be President! What did I miss? I'm not running to go to Disneyland.
Herman Cain

One right decision doth not a great president make.
Herman Cain

People who oppose Obama are said to be racists - so I guess I'm a racist.
Herman Cain

Prime Minister Benjamin Netyanahu made it real clear. They're willing to be generous on some other concessions but not on the border issue. And I don't blame him.
Herman Cain

Republicans have been losing the war of words for years now. Now they are just caving because they don't even want to try. I don't agree with that approach.
Herman Cain

Spending time at the Federal Reserve was a good learning opportunity for me. It helped me to understand economic philosophies and polices that I had not previously known about.
Herman Cain

Stupid people are ruining America.
Herman Cain

That's the biggest problem, is the tax code itself.
Herman Cain


The 9-9-9 plan would resuscitate this economy because it replaces the outdated tax code that allows politicians to pick winners and losers, and to provide favors in the form of tax breaks, special exemptions and loopholes. It simplifies the code dramatically: 9% business flat tax, 9% personal flat tax, 9% sales tax.
Herman Cain

The American people, Neil, are sick and tired of excuses. They are sick and tired of the blame game. And they're sick and tired of the deception coming from this president and this administration. This is why I believe that I am doing so well in the polls.
Herman Cain

The biggest - one of the biggest barriers to driving economic growth is the capital gains tax rate. I propose taking it to zero.
Herman Cain

The one thing that the President can do is to establish a real energy independence plan. We have all the recources we need right here in this country to establish energy independence if we had the leadership.
Herman Cain

The only tactic liberals have is to try to intimidate people into thinking that the Tea Party is racist. The Tea Party is not a racist movement, period! If it were, why would the straw polls keep showing that the black guy is winning? That's a rhetorical question. Let me state it: The black guy keeps winning.
Herman Cain

The past several months I have been able to meet with people across this country. One thing is clear: America craves for real solutions to the problems we face. That's why I'm running for President of the United States.
Herman Cain

The thing that differs me from a lot of other people running for the President of the United States is that I focus on the problem first. Then I focus on what the solution is.
Herman Cain

The way to connect with voters on the plan is to simply give the facts. Fifty per cent of taxpayers pay 97 per cent of the taxes. By most people's standards, that's already fair. The President is playing the class warfare card because he knows that a lot of people may never hear that particular fact. But it's a fact.
Herman Cain

They call me racist too just because I disagree with a President who happens to be black. You are not racists - you are patriots.
Herman Cain

This economy is on life support.
Herman Cain

This whole notion that all African-Americans are not going to vote for Obama is not necessarily true. I believe a third would vote for me, based on my own anecdotal feedback. Not vote for me because I'm black but because of my policies.
Herman Cain

Uncertainty is killing this economy.
Herman Cain

We need responsible regulations, not regulations that have gone wild. For example, the EPA has a rule that is going to be implemented Jan. 1, 2012, where they're going to begin to regulate dust. That's right, dust. It's called PM 2.5. That is focusing on the wrong thing.
Herman Cain

We need to lower tax rates for everybody, starting with the top corporate tax rate. We need to simplify the tax code. The ultimate answer, in my opinion, is the fair tax, which is a fair tax for everybody, because as long as we still have this messed-up tax code, the politicians are going to use it to reward winners and losers.
Herman Cain

Whether you were talking about Pillsbury, Burger King, Godfather's, the National Restaurant Association, in each one of those situations, I had a daunting problem that I had to solve. And I used the same business principles to approach the problem and, more importantly, solve the problem in every one of the situations.
Herman Cain</sup>

31 my kids love that he made a pokemon reference

32 Most of what I've heard/read has been pure red meat stuff that doesn't appeal to me, ie: the not hiring Muslims things and even the "if you're not rich, blame yourself" comment.  I find the first really objectionable and the latter not particularly helpful.

I do remember being impressed by something he said very early in his candidacy - either at a debate or in an interview - but I honestly don't remember what it was.  Maybe reading this thread will remind me. 


At the end of the day, I'm more persuaded by record than rhetoric.  Cain is a professional communicator.  I would certainly hope that his rhetoric would be good.  As it stands, I don't think he holds a candle to Rush Limbaugh. 

33 I'm a Newt guy until further notice, but I would start with the video of Cain hammering on Clinton about Hillarycare.  That was a pretty good conservative instinct many years ago.

34 I can't think of any memorable quote that was not cringe worthy.  I just think the Cain support is nothing more than grabbing onto someone who has business experiance and is plain talking etc.

35 I've noticed that Cain frequently speaks without notes, and often without a point.  I therefore can't recall much of anything he's said that wasn't ether a gaffe or something related to 9-9-9.

36 "Why go back to the desert?" -- um, I guess those are things Cain has said, which you've posted with no discrimination at all, showing hte weakness of his statements with your "Let me make up for quality with quanitity" gambit. From the few I read it just looks like standard crap, except for the unconstitutional stuff about banning Muslims per se from government.

37
A lotta people don't know or they forgot that Herb Cain was a key leader in the Tea Party movement.

One reason I like Cain is that he had the balls to step up and support the Tea Party rallies in a big way, even before they were really popular.

38

doing an empty folksy pander which is all very nice for those who are receptive to it but says nothing about policy or ideas or competency for office.

You sure do have a problem with female black Republican candidates, don't you ace?

39 I am thinking, but while I am thinking, why don't you post some of what you seek from the candidate of your choice, Romney?, just to give us an idea of what your are challenging us to come up with.

40

Warden,

Or maybe Ace has issues with candidates who repeatedly say stupid shit.

41 I honestly enjoyed his statements about how you succeed in America. He spoke of being born "po" and having to save up to be "poor." Je relayed how his father worked three jobs until he could afford to work two and then two until he could afford to work one. That is the kind of understanding that prosperity is driven by individual effort, not what Congress deems. You can't substitute for experience, it is the only thing that gives you perspective. We need a President with perspective.

42 31 my kids love that he made a pokemon reference Posted by: phoenixgirl on other work computer ready to drink the perry flavor-aid at October 28, 2011 01:13 PM (s+J9D) What, did he say "pika pika" or something?

43 Or maybe Ace has issues with candidates who repeatedly say stupid shit.

I think Warden is just satirizing the ace critics here.

44 He uses his Negro Dialect© often!

45

Just wait until opposition researchers go back and listen to all of his radio shows.

That's the downside of being on tv or radio 3 hours a day for a few years.

46 Ace doesn't like anyone ever.

OT: Truman North sounds like a porno name.

47 relayed how his father worked three jobs until he could afford to work two and then two until he could afford to work one

Maybe we should elect his father then. 

48 I see an implied "boy" at the end of this post.

49 I think I heard him call OdipO a SCOAMF, not totally sure, but pretty sure.

50

This must be part 2 in Ace getting all emotional all the while telling us where thinking with our hearts not our heads.

No kidding.  I'm not even sure what the point of this semi-coherent outburst is.

Is the idea that Cain is supposed to be some kind of master explainer like Reagan?  If so, I'm willing to concede that debate before it even gets going.

What Cain does have is likability, more than any other candidate.

Sometimes you don't have to offer detailed arguments for the conservative position.  Sometimes you just have to state the conservative position while people like you.  Let's be honest--did Reagan win more people over by really hitting home the arguments, or just by being conservative and people liking him?  Uh-huh.

I realize this doesn't make Cain a perfect candidate, or even a superior candidate.  But I'm not grading Candidate D against Candidate A who doesn't exist.  I'm grading him against all the Candidate F's and F-'s that are his actual opponents.

51 OT: Truman North sounds like a porno name. Posted by: Trench Report at October 28, 2011 01:19 PM (n1YFn) Have you ever seen Truman North and Ron Jeremy in the same room? Hmm?

52 I think the man's personal charm and charisma really shouldn't be dismissed as an asset.  Ronald Reagan would have stayed in the doldrums and probably lost to George HW Bush if not for his charm.  He was able to smooth over many problems and gained a Teflon quality, which is a big reason he was so successful.

An effective president must be an effective communicator, and Cain has that in spades.  It's far different from the Palin "she can draw a crowd" nonsense.  Herman Cain can speak to people and get them to listen.  It's also why he's taken a lot of flak over the media interviews he's done - he's actually done them, instead of regular softball games with Sean Hannity like the rest of the field.

53 Something about the right of return?

No, wait, it was the fierce stance he took on abortion that won me over.

54 I just don't think he's objectively qualified to be the President of the United States.  I don't think its an entry-level position.

55 So Cain came out against regulation but his only quasi-government experience was in monetary policy and regulation?  Geezus.

56 'You can't return a Pizza.'

57 I really liked  the third debate when Cain repeatedly called Barky out as being a SCOAMF.

58

1 - this could have been an update to the previous thread instead of a whole new post

2- I like phoenixgirls' kids like the Pokemon references as a Pokemon fan myself? (the games and cards, not the anime)

3 - um he called the black voters brainwashed?

59 That is the problem with these debates.

I disagree.  While it is important to get a sense of their positions, it is far more important to get a sense of their ability to handle new situations and scenarios, because that, for most voters, is what the job entails.  Bambi is a failure precisely because he is completely incapable of reevaluating and reorienting based on new data.  He is a closed system, which is an even bigger problem when the system is as out of touch with reality as his is. 

Romney, whatever else you thing of him, can adapt as needed.  Yes, I get that sometimes he is overly adaptable, but I'd much rather have that then Obama's closed world, and a strong majority of the electorate will feel the same this year.

60

Don't blame Wall Street, don't blame the big banks. If you don't have a job and you are not rich, blame yourself! "

I actually think this is a rather stupid thing to say.

The OWS protesters are right on one count--Wall Street continues to fuck over the taxpayers with the assistance of the Fed.

What Cain should have done, as Peter Schiff did, is pointed out that it's the size and scope of federal power that ALLOWS this kind of fascist, crony capitalism to happen.

There should be no picking of winners and losers. The banks that made bad investments should have been allowed to fail. That's how true capitalism works.

But to pretend that the bankers on Wall Stree are making an honest buck? Bullshit. People know it's not true and Cain is a fool for saying something so antagonistic and wrongheaded.

61 Sharpton slams Cain for advocating Private Charity vs Public welfare


If Sharpton is against him then I probably like him.

62 has mitt made any conservative statements?

63 I'm a Newt guy until further notice, but I would start with the video of Cain hammering on Clinton about Hillarycare.  That was a pretty good conservative instinct many years ago.

Yeah this is where I'm at too. Listen to that video and imagine Perry being able to blow up Clinton so thoroughly. Or Romney. Newt probably could, too.

Don't fool youself, Obamacare is going to be central to 2012 unless Romney is nominated. Then our road to serfdom is fait accompli anyways.

64 He's said he wants to cut 10% of the budget for all federal agencies. http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=47179

65 ace 36: Face it, ace. You'll never be happy, nor convinced. You're just not for Cain. Why construct fancy intellectual arguments to prove your desired conclusion? Leave that for the Democrats and simply be honest. "Why go back to the desert" did a yoeman's job of exactly what you asked for, and you simply dissed him big time. Well done.

66 has mitt made any conservative statements?

Of course he has, but 10 minutes later he says the exact opposite thing to a more liberal crowd.

67 No kidding.  I'm not even sure what the point of this semi-coherent outburst is.

Part one is pure Rule 51:  Sometimes, you're wrong.

Part two is called 'vetting'.  It's how you make sure you don't make a colossal error come November (see Obama, Barack for How Not To Do It.)

68 Cain's Lincoln-Douglas debate with Newt should be interesting. When is the date for that again?

69 Ace - You liked my "Fred Thompson - He's Real ... He's Spectacular" You'll *lerv* my Herman Cain Herman Cain 2012 Ad _ Link under name, in case the html is screwedup. -

70 I will work every day to make Washington, D.C. as inconsequential in your lives as I can.

Our goal is to displace the entrenched powers in Washington, restore the rightful balance between the state and federal government.

Our shared conservative values, our belief in the individual is the great hope of our nation. Whoops!!  Those are all Rick Perry. 
9-9-9 sucks because 1-it can't be implemented and 2-It adds a new form of taxation.  Do we really believe that future congresses won't change those to 15-15-15 or whatever the hell they want.  Bad on abortion, bad on guns, stupid on foreign policy...Need I go on?  Bye Bye Cain. 

71 has mitt made any conservative statements?

Sure he has.  Either right before or right after making the exact contradictory liberal statement.

72 This isn't about purity.  It's about finding the one who has sinned the least.

73

You sure do have a problem with female black Republican candidates, don't you ace?

 

Ace is being an idiot about Cain, but you, sir, take the cake. 

If you're serious.  If this is some kind of joke, then I take the cake.

74 If you turn the number of the devil upside-down, you get my plan for the country. If you turn Michelle Bachman upside-down...call me.

75 The rent is too damn high! He's the guy who says that, right?

76 This may bother a few people, but here is an interview in March with Cain about how he wouldn't appoint a muslim to his Cabinet or to a judgeship.
 
He articulates his reasons, points out the creeping sharia in Europe and similar efforts here, and defends their right to worship but not the right to change our laws.
 
I have seen many of the same arguments made right here on AoS.

77 Herman Cain can speak to people and get them to listen.

So can Tony Robbins, and I don't want him for president either.  Consider, when Cain has stepped in it, has he extricated himself gracefully or just made you wince?  That isn't going to fly with the swing voters, and like it or not, we need them.

78 Posted by: Mike Devx at October 28, 2011 01:22 PM

I don't blame him at all.  I was a Pawlenty guy until his massive flameout.  So was Ace, and I think he got burned as much as I did with all of the people supporting Bachmann, and declaring Pawlenty "too boring" to win.

Now Perry is rapidly showing that he doesn't have the chops to win on the battleground of ideas, and the last supporters who rip away from Perry are going to leave large scars.

79 64 has mitt made any conservative statements?

It might be a good exercise for us to have a post similar to DrewM's "say something positive" post yesterday in which we each provided a sound bite from every candidate that we liked. 

It would make us all look for quotations, so we'd have to do some actual research on the candidates, and it might be revealing.  For example, it might show that someone was more conservative 15 years ago than they are now or it might show that the quotes they made are just rip offs of others' positions or it might persuade people to give candidates they've been ignoring a second look. 

80 Ace, you used to lambaste Palin supporters because of her poll numbers. Remember that? (ob. "Good times, good times.") Some of us flat out won't vote for Romney. I'll agree with you 100%: Perry's gotten a bum deal. For every mis-step he's made, there's stuff he's been burned on completely unfairly. (The actual fact of in-state tuition for illegals, in a bill that was conservative enough to be wildly popular in Texas, for example, versus his dumb remark about "heartless"ness.) You know who else got a bum deal? Fred Thompson. Sarah Palin. Freakin' Paul Tsongas! (I could've voted for Tsongas. But he was bald and had had cancer, so he was out.) I'll support Perry, but I'll take Cain. I won't vote Romney, period.

81 You want more conservative quotes than you can digest in one day? Go watch the video of his speech at the American Values convention.

82 I like the I won't hire muslims line

83 @Ace

I just posted because I'm certain that many people, like me, have no idea anything he's said. The closest association with Herman Cain is just 9-9-9. So I picked out, with no discernment, a list of what he's said. As you can see, most of it is just nothing. He's got a history of saying nothing at all.

84 Swing voters are dumbasses, and they'll like him because he's funny and he's a nice guy.

85 If you order it, Pizza will come.

86
Honkies for Herman 2012

Herman Cain on Social Security, Welfare, Medicare and Entitlements in General

87 If you're serious.  If this is some kind of joke, then I take the cake.

I'm pretty sure Warden was making fun of the people who claimed that every complaint Ace made about St. Sarah was due to "misogyny."

88 Posted by: Why go back to the desert? at October 28, 2011 01:12 PM (l8nIR) Hmm, so nothing besides that? (joking!)

89 "Imagine eating pizza each and every day! You may say that itÂ’s junk food, But to me itÂ’s so much more, It gives my life its meaning, and it saves a lot of dough." http://tinyurl.com/3trtpom Joke candidate is a joke.

90 Cain? Nope, not a thing. Wait, race baiting isn't conservative now, is it? No? Then I'll stick with 'no' as my answer.

91 I'm notsaying Cain is Reagan. Far from it; but who is? Perry? None of them are. And Reagan used to collect boxes of notecards with those pithy sayings; he collected them for decades and kept them organized. And he studied them; and he had a far better mind for retaining his favorites for instant recall than given credit for. Skill, talent, and hard work to make it all look very easy. None of these guys are Reagan.

92 "Stupid people are ruining America."

93 He did shoot a 2 inch group at 100 yards. Oh wait...

94

Ace is being an idiot about Cain, but you, sir, take the cake.

If you're serious. If this is some kind of joke, then I take the cake.

< buuuurp > ...oh, sorry about that, got a bit peckish over here.  Probably should have said who the cake was for earlier...

95

"If elected, I will Ponn Farr you like a rabid Ewok."

Oh wait, that was conservative stuff Ace said, not Herman Cain.  My bad.

96 Dude.  Really?  What is your goal with this?  If it is to learn why people support Cain at the moment, I'm guessing that beginning with the assumption that anyone who does is irrational or stupid, isn't really going to accomplish that.

97 Here you go Ace. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WP5dYfBBzU That's the first time I took notice of Cain while I was in college. It opened my eyes to the dangers of liberalism and showed directly that Clinton and his gang were blatantly lying.

98
2.5% GDP, my ass

99 I'll support Perry, but I'll take Cain. I won't vote Romney, period.

We get it.  You're pure.  No need to keep reminding us.

100 they should do a "real housewives of the GOP presidential candidates"

101 I think lots of people *want* to like Perry. Unfortunately, he personally and directly insulted them with his "heartless" comment. If you were interviewing someone for a job and they insulted you to your face, would you want to hire them?

102 Consider, when Cain has stepped in it, has he extricated himself gracefully or just made you wince?

Have >any< of them?  Gingrich, Perry, Romney...all of them have stepped on their dick in giant and disastrous ways.

103 "I used to have to sit in the back of the bus...now I own the damn bus! That's what great about America!" Just heard on Rush...when's the last time you heard that!?!?!?!
nothing quotable...get a grip dude!

104

this is some kind of joke, then I take the cake

Two things:  1.  The cake is a lie!  2.  I was told there would be punch and pie.

105 they should do a "real housewives of the GOP presidential candidates"

Posted by: phoenixgirl on other work computer ready to drink the perry flavor-aid at October 28, 2011 01:29 PM (s+J9D)

close the thread, we got a winner

106 "..top priorities as a constitutional conservative: restore our economy and create millions of new jobs, repeal Obamacare and its unconstitutional mandates, achieve deep spending cuts to reduce America's debt, strengthen the family and defend marriage, and rebuild respect for America..."

107

Yes Yes Yes he said something very quotable on Hannity the other night, I just can't remember what it was. Will that be a problem?

 

108

If Mitt makes me VP, I am still not going to wear that silly temple underwear.

Just don't.  There's lot of stuff you can poke fun of Mormons about--believe me, I'm one, I know--without going after temple stuff, which for Mormons is very sensitive and pretty offensive.  Plus, for whatever reason, it appears to turn off everyone's humor genes.

Leave the reflexive Mormon attacks for the Left, if Romney somehow weasels his way into being our nominee.

109

"In order to fix Social Security, we must restructure it so that we continue to provide for our Nation's seniors that are approaching retirement age, but allow for younger taxpayers to invest a portion of their Social Security taxes in private accounts."

 

110
Posted by: Jordan

STFU, dunce

111 Oh ... ... also, Cain is running against, presumably, Obama. ------------------------- You'd give a left testicle to see that race. Not necessarily yours, but you'd definitely give one. .

112 "The objective of the liberals is to destroy this country. The objective of the liberals is to make America mediocre."

113

Posted by: j2 at October 28, 2011 01:30 PM (hwDWp)

i'm sorry we're talking about folks who poll more then 5%

114 Herman Cain told me once: "EC, keep your pimphand strong!"

115 The reason you don't know the quotes is because the MFM doesn't repeat them for GOD'S SAKE!@!!!

116

this is some kind of joke, then I take the cake

Did you leave the cake out in the rain?

117 Here's another: "Stupid people are ruining America." And he's RIGHT! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-N3-j3HM7-A

118 Posted by: Jordan

STFU, dunce

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 28, 2011 01:31 PM (G/zuv)

same Jordan who'd vote for Obama if Mitt isn't the nominee? yeah ignore him

119
From the few I read it just looks like standard crap, except for the unconstitutional stuff about banning Muslims per se from government.

Funny the quote where he called me heartless isn't in there.
Or the one where we told Pelosi that AGW was real.
Or the one where...You get the idea.

I'm not going to support Romney in the primary, and the lizard has some explaining to do and some statements to make before I will consider supporting him.

Foster mom was strong until she decided to let the looney out.

Perry was strong until he decided as performance art he would perform traditional seppuku on stage during the debates.

Cain wasn't the first choice, he was third.

He is a candidate of attrition. And at least it sounds like he has the backbone to actually tackle our problems. Romney doesn't. Newt seems like a bridge too far. Perry might, but he needs to become viable again before I'm going to consider supporting him. Why? Because yes I can be persuaded with logic, and logically he is the best !Romney, but, a lot of folks in the Republican base will not budge on logic alone, and I will not risk splitting the !Romney vote and giving Romney the nom. So until Perry can do something to get the emotional primary voters back on his side, Cain is it for me.

120 OT OWS

121

"But beware! "Big Brother" is working hard to minimize even more of our freedoms. Government has minimized our freedoms by dictating how and how much we pay in taxes. It has minimized our ability to work toward energy independence because of too much regulation. It has limited the ability of U.S. businesses to compete in the global marketplace because of too much taxation and regulation."

122 Hey, pure curiosity here, why is Santorum a non-starter?  I honestly don't know anything about the guy.

123

ace, that's not fair to the "don't go back to the desert" dude.

Sure he cut and pasted a lot, but having read most of them (even I gave up) all of those statements embody a "conservative" personality and philosophy. 

<sup><sub>The biggest - one of the biggest barriers to driving economic growth is the capital gains tax rate. I propose taking it to zero.
Herman Cain

I think that taxes would be fair if we first get rid of the tax code. This is the ultimate solution, not to just say we're going to trim around the edges, not to say that we will try to simplify a little of this and a little of that. The problem is, replace the tax code, so we can establish tax fairness for everybody.
Herman Cain</sub></sup>

Two I noticed, specific policy wise.  Now, I'd like him to talk about neighborhood pebble bed reactors, but it's not going to happen.

He is consistently the most conservative in disposition though.  He's reflexively conservative, in fact.  That's what the base finds so endearing, IMO.

124 I'm notsaying Cain is Reagan. Far from it; but who is?

Not the point, Ace's point seems to be (and I don't know that I agree, but I don't completely disagree) is this:  If you're going to support someone with no political history- except for losing a Republican Primary for a Senate race- then there has to be a reason.  Since we claim to be the part of "facts" and "reason" then it can't just be some gut feeling (right?  riiiiight?), so we're then left with some sort of soaring, memorable, and (above all) Conservative Canonical rhetoric.

Ace then asks for quotes, but I'm not convinced by that anyway- anyone can write soundbites.  (Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure).  What I'm looking for is articulation: how well does he explain his position?

Now, before anyone says "Perry can't either!"  First: that's crap.  He's fallen flat in debates, he does very well on the campaign trail (not discounting the debates or interviews, just saying that Perry is very good at communicating in his preferred format- not enough, no).  Second, Perry has 20+ years of record he brings along, so you can see what his positions will be based on things he's done in the past.  Rhetoric is still important for Perry, but since it's the ONLY thing we have for Cain, it had better be perfect- and it falls far, far short of perfection.

125 Have >any< of them?  Gingrich, Perry, Romney...all of them have stepped on their dick in giant and disastrous ways.

Occasionally, yes.  But there is no comparison between Romney talking about why Romneycare isn't like OCare and Cain babbling about abortion, or Perry calling us heartless.  Cain just doesn't give the impression that he can think through the pitfalls quickly and avoid them. 

The election isn't decided by people like us who spend months and even years searching entrails for policy deviations.  It's decided by people who look at the candidates and say "he seems nice and kinda smart".  Cain is definitely nice and even charismatic, but he can't recover when he's trapped, and the media will spend every second after the nomination trying to trap him.  No thanks.

126 Look at the man's life - pure win.  Real results from beginning to end, with accelerating achievement based individual merit and determination.  THAT is the proof of his conservative street cred, not rhetoric.  Has our culture been so warped that walking the walk is truly less important to a majority than words?  Something stinks here.

127

I think conservatives are making the same mistake with Cain that Democrats made with Barack Obama. So excited by the possibility of having a black man as president that they are willing to overlook a lot of things that would have immediately disqualified a white candidate. I'm a black woman (and a Democrat) and, frankly, I'm just thrilled to see a regular black guy like Cain get this far in the Republican party.  But, some of the things Cain has said make no sense at all. He may well be a conservative, but sometimes it sounds like he's just saying what he thinks conservatives want to hear.

To switch the topic a bit, I think it's interesting to see how Republicans are treating Cain versus how Democrats treated Obama in 2008. In 2008, race was a major issue in the race with Hillary and the Democrats; but, with Cain, you very rarely hear race mentioned at all, at least not by Republicans. But, I haven't seen any Cain as monkey pictures at rallies, lynching references, etc. So, it makes me wonder, where are all those racist Republicans/Tea Partiers we keep hearing about?

128 30 36
From the few I read it just looks like standard crap (Ace)

But it is actually better standard crap than the other candidates have stated isn't. If not perhaps you could enlighten us all. This says more about the 'ready' candidates and their lack of performance during the campaign than it really does about Cain.

Besides most campaign statements by conservatives are just as much standard crap as it is from liberals. Just different crap.

129

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 28, 2011 01:33 PM (FkKjr)

he's a dick, thats'why

and he can't win

130 105 I'll support Perry, but I'll take Cain. I won't vote Romney, period.

We get it.  You're pure.  No need to keep reminding us.

Posted by: pep at October 28, 2011 01:29 PM (oIoLq)

Christ, I'll vote for the fucking lint in my belly button before the SCOAMF!  If Mittens wins the primary I'll be the leading the RINO brigade to vote for him.

Still in for Perry but it doesn't matter living in Maryland.

131 "If there is indeed a divide in our country, as liberals in both political parties are all too willing to espouse and exploit, it may very well be between those Americans who feel entitled to guarantees of health care, retirement income and protections of their self-defined class, and the rest of us who have read the Constitution."

132

Herman Cain said pushes by the “so-called Palestinian people” for statehood and an Iranian assassination plot to kill the Saudi ambassador to the United States were evidence that President Obama was perceived as weak in the Middle East in an interview with an Israeli newspaper.

“I think that the so-called Palestinian people have this urge for unilateral recognition because they see this president as weak,”
-----------------------------------------
Sounds good to me...

133 What, would folks here really rather have Obama win than spend a small amount of time hitting the ballot box for Romney? If so, good job, numbskulls. You're damning the entire country.

Opposing him in a primary is one thing. Saying you could never pull a lever/check a box for him is another.

134

Hey, pure curiosity here, why is Santorum a non-starter?  I honestly don't know anything about the guy.

We can start with he can't even win his home state.

He cannot win any independents whatsoever.

And he's too social con for even this social con.  Although I love that he'll speak his mind on it. 

135

If Mittens wins the primary I'll be the leading the RINO brigade to vote for him.

+1

136

Did you leave the cake out in the rain?

I don't know what this means and don't want to know.

Rule 1 of AOSHQ is don't talk about AOSHQ.  But Rule 2 is never to ask if someone makes some reference you don't get.  Rule 3 is FOR GODSSAKE DON'T GOOGLE IT EITHER.

137 Go Home, get a job and get a life. (about OWS protestors)

138 I'm quite sure I heard Cain say:  "Kill 'em all, let Yahweh sort 'em out."

139
Jordan and Jason, who are probably one and the same, are pretenders.

Confederates.

Fakes.

Phonies.

Cons.

Shams.

Googley-eyed rat-bastards.

140 "I am 100% pro-life."

141 So until Perry can do something to get the emotional primary voters back on his side, Cain is it for me.

As an aside if Romney dropped out, I would switch from Cain to Perry, and the funny thing is, most of the Romney supporters would probably go to Perry as well, with I think about a third going to Newt.

142 I'm not going to support Romney in the primary, and the lizard has some explaining to do and some statements to make before I will consider supporting him.

Dude, right here.

143 122 The reason you don't know the quotes is because the MFM doesn't repeat them for GOD'S SAKE!@!!!

Posted by: NfromNC at October 28, 2011 01:32 PM (MbeEN)

Exactly...who can forget If you like your...or, the police acted...., or my fave; if they bring a knife, you bring a gun, get in their faces.  

 

144 I read his latest book which was very inspiring.  He seems like a pragmatic problem solver coming from a conservative perspective.  I recommend you read it if you want to get a better understanding of him as a person. 

145

So, it makes me wonder, where are all those racist Republicans/Tea Partiers we keep hearing about?

They didn't exist.  You were reading the New York Times too often.

146 "Since Franklin RooseveltÂ’s socialist New Deal policies, to Lyndon JohnsonÂ’s budget-busting Great Society, through CarterÂ’s stagflation and ClintonÂ’s largest tax increase in history, liberal Democrats never fail to cook up schemes that deny individuals their economic freedom and shackle our economy. ThatÂ’s what they do."

147 Cain promised to restore chain smoking to its traditional place as a respectable practice in American society.

148 Herman Cain told me once, "EC, pimping ain't easy!"

149 Hey, pure curiosity here, why is Santorum a non-starter? Asked.  I honestly don't know anything about the guy. Answered.

150

Shoot, Ace, all I have to do is page through the HC's archives of articles over at TownHall to find plenty of conservative things he's said.  Not hard to do.

Any other questions?

151

emperor

i'll never have that recipe agaaaaaaaiiiiiiiinnnnnnn

152 I mean, you can imagine Barack Obama trying to out-"black" Herman Cain on the campaign trail? or, better yet - listening to Obama's supporters explain how Obama being of mixed race growing up in a predominantly white setting as a teenager gives him a better perspective on America than the guy who's just black. -

153
Quick Pop Quiz

154

Rule 3 is FOR GODSSAKE DON'T GOOGLE IT EITHER.

No, no, no, google it at work!  On the large monitor where everyone can see!  In front of your co-worker with incredibly thin skin and no sense of humor!  What could possibly go wrong?

155

So, it makes me wonder, where are all those racist Republicans/Tea Partiers we keep hearing about?

At their hunting lodge, Camp African-American Head.  Where apparently the internet is down.

156

Rule 3 is FOR GODSSAKE DON'T GOOGLE IT EITHER.

Please tell me you didn't Google it.  Did you?  Did you? 

Did it take you to YouTube?

Congrats, you're never going to get that song out of your head.

157

Did you leave the cake out in the rain?

I don't know what this means and don't want to know.

I think you're not quite old enough to realize where that came from.

158

NOV 9th

Foreign Policicy debate

Cain's Next Hurdle

159 Policy*

160 45

Just wait until opposition researchers go back and listen to all of his radio shows.

That's the downside of being on tv or radio 3 hours a day for a few years.

Posted by: Ben at October 28, 2011 01:18 PM (wuv1c)

Yup. There is something there. And it ain't pretty, is my guess. I mean, if he's said the dumb stuff he's said when he knows everyone is listening, what did he say when relatively no one was listening? There is a lot of spit-balling, throwing shit out there and jumping off half-cocked. Look how he jumped on the racist rock without knowing a damned thing about it, for crying out loud.

Couple this with the fact that the only hits on him have come from the Republican side, tells me they are holding their fire. I mean, how many man-hours and travel was put into going back some 30 years to find something to smear Perry? And you're going to tell me they've nothing on Cain? Oh, come on!

I get that a lot of people here like Cain. But, you gotta be realistic about what is going to happen if he gets the nomination. I think he is the only one with untapped attacks that could be as, or more, fatal than those coming on Romney.

161 "you broke it, you own it..." Oh, wrong black Republican.

162

he's a dick, thats'why

and he can't win

Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who Supports The Cardinals Tonight at October 28, 2011 01:34 PM (yAor6)

You could say that about any of the candidates.  What sins has he committed?

163
Cain: Vulcan, Romulan or Klingon?

164

If you're serious.  If this is some kind of joke, then I take the cake.

Posted by: Emperor of Icecream

Kinda takes the fun out of it if I just come right out and tell you, doesn't it?

165 "Mr. Huntsman, I know pizza, pizza is a friend of mine; you, sir, are no pizza"

Remember that zinger?

166 I hope the Cardinals lose tonight.

167 The election isn't decided by people like us who spend months and even years searching entrails for policy deviations.  It's decided by people who look at the candidates and say "he seems nice and kinda smart".  Cain is definitely nice and even charismatic, but he can't recover when he's trapped, and the media will spend every second after the nomination trying to trap him.  No thanks.
Posted by: pep at October 28, 2011 01:33 PM

If that's the case, why bother voting for Perry?  Not only does the media hate him, they can also use the race issue, they can use the Texas issue, and they will paint him as a hillbilly.  And Perry's shown time and again that he can't talk his way out of a paper bag.

Why bother voting for Romney?  Every interview, he gives a different answer.  After a minimum of two national interviews, the media will be calling him John Forbes Romney.

We're screwed, then, under your measuring stick.

168 Soothsayer @ 1:36 Pretender of what? The videos are right there, I figured that someone like you would call "link or shens" so there's Cain making the statements himself. No pretend anything. . . as for your other ad hominems, GFY. If that offends you, run yourself a whois and come let me know.

169 Real results from beginning to end, with accelerating achievement based individual merit and determination.

So Bill Gates could be our nominee?  Success != Conservative.

170 He certainly didn't say Republicans are heartless for wanting to deny tuition assistance to children of illegal aliens. Someone else, did. Can't seem to remember whom. . . .

171 What, would folks here really rather have Obama win than spend a small amount of time hitting the ballot box for Romney? If so, good job, numbskulls. You're damning the entire country.

Opposing him in a primary is one thing. Saying you could never pull a lever/check a box for him is another.

Posted by: JoeInMD at October 28, 2011 01:35 PM

 

^This x1000!

172
Here's a good example of Cain's bluntness that I like.

"[Obama's] never been a part of the black experience in America."

Which is true. Obama was raised by white folk...in white neighborhoods.

173 Pop Quiz


brb getting some Hostages to shoot

174  Herman Cain,

"I believe that if a state wants to help with college education, then they should do that. Secondly, you have people living within communities within states that are willing to help fund those kinds of programs. So I do not believe that it is the responsibility of the federal government to help fund a college education because herein, our resources are limited and I believe that the best solution is the one closest to the problem. The people within the state, the people within the communities, ultimately, I believe, are the ones who have that responsibility. [...] If you want an education, a college education in America, I believe that people can get it if they are determined to get it. They might have to work a little harder. They might have to work a little longer, but the fact that we have so many options for people to get an advanced education in this nation, I think it is one of the big pluses that we have, that we offer our young people, that a lot of other countries do not offer."

175

I really like Herman. As a gadfly. He may win the nomination and may win the Presidency. If it is him versus SCOAMF, He will have both my vote and my support in coin. This time around however, I am voting in the primary for the best choice not the best chance.

My vote is for Newt. But I fear he cannot win.

 

 

176 Opposing him in a primary is one thing. Saying you could never pull a lever/check a box for him is another.

Posted by: JoeInMD at October 28, 2011 01:35 PM (Xwgt3)

--

Here's the thing.  Romney is the presumptive nominee at this point.  Everyone, tells us that.  (Cain will drop out at the appropriate time and endorse Romney, of that I'm certain.) 

Given that fact, shouldn't Romney be trying to broaden his support within the GOP?  If I was the presumptive nominee who is facing a horrible general election against one of the dirtiest POTUSes we've ever had, I'd want to go to the convention with a healthy majority, not a plurality.  

I see no evidence that Romney wants my vote.  And I'm a pragmatic conservative, not a purist, so I'm not asking for him to bend over backwards here. 

It benefits no one for Romney or the GOP to believe we are going to sheepishly vote for him vote for this guy next November.  He needs to confront the reality of what conservative voters expect from their next POTUS or he will lose to Obama next year. 

177 151 I'm not going to support Romney in the primary, and the lizard has some explaining to do and some statements to make before I will consider supporting him.

Dude, right here.

Posted by: Chameleons at October 28, 2011 01:36 PM (oIoLq)

Romney reminds me of the GI Joe character Zartan(hey, I grew up with the stuff)  Zartan can alter his skin color at will to blend in with his environment, and is a practitioner of several mystic martial arts. He is also a ventriloquist, a linguist in over 20 languages and dialects, and an acrobatic-contortionist

178

I get that a lot of people here like Cain. But, you gotta be realistic about what is going to happen if he gets the nomination. I think he is the only one with untapped attacks that could be as, or more, fatal than those coming on Romney.

Posted by: Jimmuy at October 28, 2011 01:39 PM (hROVJ)

The knives will come out and Cain will be absolutely carved up.  Every single little thing he has ever said will come out and be twisted to make him look bad.  His race will be irrelevant.  See Thomas, Clarence for reference.

179 What sins has he committed?

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 28, 2011 01:39 PM (FkKjr)

- losing in PA worse then McCain did for starters

- his dickish attitude in the debates, taking up the time of others while shouting them down w/o getting a reply from them

- making this liberterian republican pissed whenever he goes off about his social con views and I say that as someone who usually bits his tongue on that as there's no competent liberterian candidate in the field

- and oh yeah : Expansion of Medicare - thank mr. super conservative for that

180
Posted by: Jason Coleman

You're a different Jason. I didn't know you existed until a minute ago.

181 I can't abide Cain myself, but I'll play Ace's game and say that his answer in the debate about why he would have died under Obamacare was very good indeed.

182

I'll tell you what, if Cain had been spending the last 5 years running for President like Romney has, polishing each and every response, he'd be as smooth as we needed him to be and we'd all be on him like white on rice.

Oh, sorry, was that racist?  I denounce myself.

183

86 I like the I won't hire muslims line

I liked that one too......but then he retracted it, and walked it back to "I won't hire any radical muslims".

184 I see we are back to flame war Fridays now.

185 167

Did you leave the cake out in the rain?

I don't know what this means and don't want to know.

I think you're not quite old enough to realize where that came from.

Posted by: EC at October 28, 2011 01:39 PM (GQ8sn)

Pfft... craka ass bitches!

 

186 Good to see so many people for Cain. Many good points have been made. At the end of the day, his best attributes are that he's not Romney and he can win.

187 "You'd like to order two hundred veggie pizzas for #OWS?! Ok, what's your dad's credit card number..."

188 Soothsayer @ 1:43 Fair enough, my apologies.

189 I liked that one too......but then he retracted it, and walked it back to "I won't hire any radical muslims".

It's like avoiding the green peas.

190 Ace: What conservative stuff has Cain said that you liked?

Why go back to the desert?: Just in case-

Ace: -shut up, retard!!

191
Posted by: Jason

Crazy J, is that you?

192

Posted by: Gloria Gaynor at October 28, 2011 01:44 PM (8ieXv)

You didn't cover that sweetie, it was Donna Summer.

193 >>None of these guys are Reagan. Reagan wasn't Reagan. Seriously, some of you should go back and look at Reagan's actual record in CA as governor. He changed many positions including pro-choice to pro-life, no fault divorce to opposing it, etc., when he ran for president.

194

I'm a big social con.  My thing with Santorum is basically his resume, the most notable part of which is getting blown out in a Senate race.

I like Santorum a lot, but he's one who needs some government or private executive experience to burnish his resume.  And also horse tranquilizers.

195 I recall Cain "promised" to go after Romney two debates ago. 

Did he? 

196

Thread Winner. If you had alexthechick at post number 164, go to the pay window and collect your money.

Can alexthechick be had?  I thought she was unobtainable.

197

Posted by: JackStraw at October 28, 2011 01:46 PM (TMB3S)

ugh I cant stand you Romneybots but I'll give you a +1 for that, if folks go back and study Reagan he was a very subpar Guv but learned from that to be a great Prez

198

If you were interviewing someone for a job and they insulted you to your face, would you want to hire them?

 

No.  And I also wouldn't hire some dolt who looked like a deer in the headlights for the first ten seconds after I asked him a question like Perry does.

199 I get that a lot of people here like Cain. But, you gotta be realistic about what is going to happen if he gets the nomination. I think he is the only one with untapped attacks that could be as, or more, fatal than those coming on Romney.

Oh I fully understand the risks, and I curse the party everyday for putting me in this position by giving me this pile of boiled ass with S* sauce of a candidate group in order to try and push me toward Romney.

200 I can't remember anything besides that "blame yourself" quote. I think a lot of his bona fides come from his biography and his promotion of his life story of success without bitching about discrimination.

201

Posted by: Y-not at October 28, 2011 01:47 PM (5H6zj)

he did...by attacking the fact his plan was 59 points

202 Here's something Cain said that really pissed me off.

“Today I could not support Rick Perry as the nominee for a host of reasons,” Cain told CNN host Wolf Blitzer on Wednesday.

That and the stupid fucking rock comment.  There are times that a candidate should SHUT THE FUCK UP!  Don't take the MBM's bait.

203

He changed many positions including pro-choice to pro-life, no fault divorce to opposing it, etc., when he ran for president.

To be fair to Reagan, he changed his positions around when the conservative movement realized how bad these things were and decided to get serious about them.  His evolution was just part of the times.  Romney doesn't have this excuse.

For that same reason, though, I'd be inclined to give Romney a pass on the Romneycare mandate if, you know, he'd changed his position on it.

 

204 "Give me liberty, or give me deep dish"

205

“America is at a crossroads. We have to ensure that America makes the right decision as to which road we take. If we are to remain the greatest nation in the world, we must select the road that leads to defeating the bureaucratic beast of too much regulation, too much legislation and too much taxation.”

206 I like this thread ace.  Well played.

207 I vaguely remember hearing Cain saying something to the effect that Washington DC is intruding in our lives too much, but I don't have a quote. Anyway, my vote isn't changing from Perry.

208

“One of the biggest problems we have with this country right now is too much government intervention trying to tell businesses how to do what they do best – which is create jobs.”

209 Hi there Ace, love your blog.

Choices in order:
1. Perry
2. Cain
3. Santorum
4. Bachman
5. Romney
6. Gingrich
Why yes, I am a Christian Evangelical, thanks for asking. Religion does matter, stances on moral issues do matter. There are many of us out there too. If you are not, and don't care for us, why I guess you can ignore us if you wish. Money is cool, but it's not the coolest. Sorry, Monty.

210

This post feels a lot like the one where he warned us if we didn't support TARP, we'd end up with a socialist takeover of government.

And man oh man, he was right!

211 "you will be called racist because you disagree with the President who happens to be black. They call me racist too because I disagree with the President who happens to be black. Go Figure! . . . But I've got news for you, you are not racists, you are patriots because you are willing to stand up for what you believe in." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOGASj9lcYM&feature=related

212 207

Posted by: Gloria Gaynor at October 28, 2011 01:44 PM (8ieXv)

You didn't cover that sweetie, it was Donna Summer.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at October 28, 2011 01:46 PM (sbV1u)

Oh don't make me come down there SWEETIE!!11!! That bitch stole I Will Survive too!!

213
"Muthafuckas in Washington be stealing your shit. Fuck that, man."

-- Stuff Herb Cain Said

214
Conservative things Herman Cain has said:

·         "It is my duty to please that booty."

·         "Hello, sweet thang."

·         "Bitch, you know what I want."

·         "Where's my money?"

·         "A real pimp can pimp with his hands in his pocket”

·         “Thats what I like about high school girls. I keep gettin older and they just stay the same age.”

·         "Who's your daddy?"

·         "All you need is scented candles, massage oil, and Barry White. Write that down."

·         “I'm a simple man. All I want is enough sleep for two normal men, enough whiskey for three, and enough women for four. “

·         "Word."

·         "I wish I could come out and play with you tonight, but I'm a little busy... with your girl on my lap."

·         "Baby, if you were a booger, I'd pick you first."

215

210 I recall Cain "promised" to go after Romney two debates ago.

Did he?

No. Still waiting.

 

216

Refer to:

Posted by: Why go back to the desert? at October 28, 2011 01:12 PM (l8nIR)

 

It's an interesing exercise, though.  What about past presidents and candidates?

Nixon: I am not a crook.
Carter: I've had lust for other women.
Clinton:  I did not have sex with that woman.
Bush:  Soon the world will hear from all of us.
Obama:  We are the ones we've been waiting for.
Perry:  If you don't agree that illegal immigrants should get free college tuition, you don't have a heart.

217 Well, the whole East Coast is cold, nasty and going to rain, so yes the morons are not in good  mood.

LOL, yeah, looks like we had our high about 12:30, the temps are dropping out there now. I hope all those zit-faced commies in the park in NYC have their fur-lined jammies.

218  Posted by: Y-not at October 28, 2011 01:42 PM (5H6zj)
Suck it up. Hash it out in the primary all you want, but once we hit the general, every butt in the chair -- whining about how their candidate didn't get on the ticket or the guy who did get on the ticket didn't campaign for your vote -- is half a vote for Obama. Is there anyone in the race (Huntsman's not in the running, so I think I'm safe with this quest) who would be worse than Obama? Sure, we could let him flounder for 4 more years so that maybe conservatism would win a few more converts, but at what cost?

219
"Planned Parenthood? Back in my day a man married a woman and they planned their own damned parenthood."

-- Stuff Herb Cain Said

220 Perry:  If you don't agree that illegal immigrants should get free college tuition, you don't have a heart.

Posted by: Marmo at October 28, 2011 01:52 PM (InrkQ)

It was in state tuition, not a free education.  Get yer facts straight!

221 You could say that about any of the candidates. What sins has he committed? Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 28, 2011 01:39 PM (FkKjr) Arlen Specter.

222

"Planned Parenthood? Back in my day a man married a woman and they planned their own damned parenthood."

+1

223 I missed the thread about 'Conservative Stuff that TPaw said'.  Must have been short

224

U beki beki beki stan.

That's all I got.

225 If that's the case, why bother voting for Perry?  Not only does the media hate him, they can also use the race issue, they can use the Texas issue, and they will paint him as a hillbilly.  And Perry's shown time and again that he can't talk his way out of a paper bag.

Why do you think I'm reluctantly going with Romney?  It isn't because he's been a profile in courage, and it isn't because he hasn't changed positions, and it isn't because he is my ideological soulmate.  But the fact is that he is very smart, and a very good debater, and I think will have a far easier time convincing JQ Public than the folks here, and he will win because of it.

226 >>To be fair to Reagan, he changed his positions around when the conservative movement realized how bad these things were and decided to get serious about them. His evolution was just part of the times. Romney doesn't have this excuse. You should listen to his son, Michael. He speaks quite often on how his dad's positions changed. They changed because he changed his mind. It happens. I don't really understand why conservatives get so upset when someone becomes more conservative. Isn't that what conservatives want, for more people to adopt their positions?

227

“So, it makes me wonder, where are all those racist Republicans/Tea Partiers we keep hearing about? “

 

Conservatives donÂ’t care what color someone is. 

 

However, we canÂ’t stand midgets, clowns and mimes.

228 220 "Give me liberty, or give me deep dish"

Posted by: Breaker19 at October 28, 2011 01:49 PM (ze29X)

As a big guy, I laughed. Not a day goes by that don't dream of a deep dish meat lovers, extra bacons of course.

Sigh.

 

229 I'll watch the suggested videos later, to see if I agree he is articulate there. I'd sure like to see any evidence he's articulate and thoughtful. Then I could support him. Can't watch now as there's not enough time in the blogging day to watch videos for what essentially a side-bet.

230 216

Posted by: Y-not at October 28, 2011 01:47 PM (5H6zj)

he did...by attacking the fact his plan was 59 points

That wasn't really an attack....it was so obviously choreographed it was comical. ....Which could explain why Romney himself began grinning while Cain was saying it, and had an immediate pat-answer to it.

231 "Lemme tell you a little secret, this green energy stuff is a joke." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JuDUbvVOZA&feature=related

232

When you wing nuts gave us Sharron Angle, Ken Buck, DioGuardi and that idiot savant O'Donnell I thought we'd hit the lifetime jackpot.  We were resigned to losing control of the Senate, but you gifted it back to us.  Heh.

We figured even you cement heads learned your lesson and that we were in deep trouble for next year's general election. 

We overestimated you.  You people are more naive and more feckless than even we anticipated. 

This Cain strawman is the best thing that could have happened to us.  Instead of gearing up for the general election your legitimate candidates (FYI, there are two of them) have to deal with a farce of a primary candidacy that's actually polling even or ahead of them.  This drains the two guys we're worried about of time, money, effort and other resources.  Meanwhile Barack gets to stay above the fray, raise a ton of dough and watch your circular firing squad with glee.  You're writing our attack ads for us, rubes, and you're too dumb even to grasp the irony.  

I'd feel sorry for you if I weren't so amped up.

Anyway, stay classy, nuts.  Keep listening to your radios and reading our newspaper polls.  Keep supporting Cain.  9-9-9, all the time, rubes.  Keep attacking each other. 

See you at Barack's going away party, in Jan. 2017.  Heh. 

233 You didn't cover that sweetie, it was Donna Summer.

Personally I liked my version.

234 OK, I'm willing to bet that Cain will not be the GOP nominee. Any takers?

235

3 - um he called the black voters brainwashed?

Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who Supports The Cardinals Tonight at October 28, 2011 01:21 PM (yAor6)

Most are.

236 Suck it up.

That's a hell of a campaign motto.

Rail all you want, but unless Romney starts trying to broaden his base of support, he's no more electable than Palin would have been (and, no, I was not hoping Palin would run). 

237 Would a Romney/Perry ticket fly?

Romney gets the business nod, Perry gets the Social con/states rights vote.

238 For a conservative, Cain seems to talk about race an awful lot.

239 I don't really understand why conservatives get so upset when someone becomes more conservative. Isn't that what conservatives want, for more people to adopt their positions?

Posted by: JackStraw at October 28, 2011 01:54 PM (TMB3S)

Umm, I just said that my main problem with the Romneycare mandate is that Romney hasn't become more conservative about it.

240 239 I missed the thread about 'Conservative Stuff that TPaw said'.  Must have been short
Posted by: Cherry pi at October 28, 2011 01:53 PM

I think that one began - and ended - with the apocryphal "the era of small government is over."

241 If you don't vote for Cain You're a RAAACCCIISSTTTT!!!!11!!!eleventy!!!! Hey, that's a lot of fun.

242 I hate to say but for me it is just a gut instinct.  I just like the guy.

243 With regards to 9-9-9, Herman Cain said that since God ONLY expects 10%, Government can make do with 9%!

244

Would a Romney/Perry ticket fly?

I think it could but they'd have to get on the same page and get over they're obvious dislike for each other

so it could but doubtful it'll even happen

245 255 Would a Romney/Perry ticket fly?

I think too much damage has been done for that to happen. I would have gone for a Perry/Romney ticket until Romney started the smears against Perry. 

Also, if I were a Texan, I'd rather have Perry stay as governor to continue to fight the feds.  There's really no reason to expect Romney to make radical rollbacks to the federal government. 

246 260 I hate to say but for me it is just a gut instinct.  I just like the guy.

Eat some pizza and that feeling will go away really fast.

247 Candidates lose they hit the lecture circuit. If Cain loses, I expect him to the infoshow circuit. He's one degree better than the shamwow guy.

248 198 I see we are back to flame war Fridays now. Posted by: Vic at October 28, 2011 01:44 PM (YdQQY) Beats workin', I guess.

249 I'll watch the suggested videos later, to see if I agree he is articulate there. I'd sure like to see any evidence he's articulate and thoughtful. Then I could support him.

Articulate is overrated.

250 261 9% sales and 9% income.

251 "I'll trade for all the Gitmo detainees... and hippies"

252 Perry:  If you don't agree that illegal immigrants should get free college tuition, you don't have a heart.

That's not a fair quote. In state tuition is not free. The reality of this is that in state tuition doesn't cover all the costs, that is why out of state tuition exists. Every person on in state tuition is being subsidized by the out of state folks paying higher rates. And it grates me to no end that US citizens, are subsidizing the education of people who aren't even legally present in the US.

253 #86 Round and bout goes to desert, with a wickedly subtle uppercut.

254 Romney has better VP choices than Perry and vice versa.

255 236Perry: If you don't agree that illegal immigrants should get free college tuition, you don't have a heart.

Posted by: Marmo at October 28, 2011 01:52 PM (InrkQ)

It was in state tuition, not a free education. Get yer facts straight!

Posted by: Hedgehog at October 28, 2011 01:53 PM (jkgfU)

I know, I'm just yanking chains because that's the obvious intent of this thread.  I get tired of the infighting and innuendo.

256 If that's the case, why bother voting for Perry?  Not only does the media hate him, they can also use the race issue, they can use the Texas issue, and they will paint him as a hillbilly.  And Perry's shown time and again that he can't talk his way out of a paper bag.


Perry is in his element when he is engaging voters, be it a stump speech or a town hall.

And given that criteria, how did W ever manage to get elected POTUS? The media painted him as a bumbling idgit, too.

The MFM is working very hard to paint Perry as un-electable. If they can't their beloved Obama, they will take Romney. What does that tell you?

257 "Pizza Pizza."

Oh wait, that was Little Caesar.

258

@182 So Bill Gates could be our nominee?  Success != Conservative.

So you missed the "individual merit" part?  The how is important.  Zero has been "successful" by always being given the benefit of the doubt.  Gates took someone else's idea and ran with it.  Cain wasn't given anything.

Ace is questioning Cain's bona fides based on things he's said, when there's a much more telling tale in the man's life and actions, the decisions he's made political or otherwise.  You can question the man's ability to govern as a true outsider in DC with no inherent coalitions, but questioning his conservative-ness is silly.  Especially coming from the Romney supporters...

259
Remember, Cain did waffle on the fed/audit question a few months ago.

260 >>Umm, I just said that my main problem with the Romneycare mandate is that Romney hasn't become more conservative about it. Yea but you left out that personal mandates used to be a very conservative position. And when I say used to be I mean less than a decade ago. They mandate was supported by groups like the Heritage Foundation who helped craft the plan and Newt Gingrich. Now it appears that Newt has "flip flopped' on that issue. Romney has stood behind a mandate at the state level but not the national level. If he came out now against his plan don't you think most people who already call him a flip flopper would just hammer on that too?

261 The really well spoken and ever so quotable and electable Mitt Romney pulls 25% constantly, from start to finish. So full of win! But those who don't appreciate the stupid RINO son of a bitch are somehow not bright. Yeah, now I understand. I should listen to the smart folks who support Romney. Fuck that noise. What are Romney's stances on issues? What difference does it make? He says whatever he thinks will get him traction. Just like Zero. All the really smart "conservatives" like Noonan and Krauthammer were impressed. And God knows, they are bright people who can tell a wind bag from a sincere politician.

262 I don't really understand why conservatives get so upset when someone becomes more conservative. Isn't that what conservatives want, for more people to adopt their positions?

Posted by: JackStraw at October 28, 2011 01:54 PM (TMB3S)

There's a difference between becoming more conservative and trying to say what your audience wants to hear.

Mitt, for example, has not always said conservative things.  He has always strove to say what his audience wanted to hear.

263 Cthulhu is a RINO.

264 In questioning Cain's bona fides, I can't help but wonder if Ace is shilling for the establishment RINOs. We all know who they want to win. McCain!!! Actually I can't think of anything conservative that Romney or Huntsman has said either.

265

repost from previous thread on my thoughts on Cain's shot at the nomination:

Cain CAN win the nomination which I find unfortunate because I have my doubts he can win in the general, he can end up Goldwater 2012 version (minus the huge landslide).

both Romney and Perry supporters (the few left) have laughed at Cain as Huckabee 2.0 I see no evidence of that. Cain is up nationally, is doing better then CNN claims in the 1st couple states and leads in later states like OHIO, ILLINOIS, & WISCONSIN. States he must have to try and get the nod over a Romney. He even leads in most southern and midwest states where Perry was seen as the likely one to grab those.

Even after gaffes and what I thought was a bad debate for him, he is still doing fine. He even polls not so bad againt Obama. he loses to Obama in close margins and brings him below 50% (something Perry is now failing to do except in Rasmussen polls).

I dont like it myself but Cain IS FOR REAL

he does have the Nov 9th debate hurdle though, FOREIGN POLICY IS THE SUBJECT

266 So yea I'm heartless because I don't think some college kid should have to pay more so someone not legally present can go to college at a lower rate.

267 248 "Lemme tell you a little secret, this green energy stuff is a joke."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JuDUbvVOZA&feature=related

Posted by: Jason Coleman at October 28, 2011 01:55 PM (/almX)

nuf said...he's hired!

 

268 ACE, If you really are going to watch any of these videos, watch this one, his address to the NRA (National Rifle Association): "Fellow patriots, the Founding Fathers got it right." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1tBs56NLzc The entire video includes some of the most conservative theory and statements about that theory of ANY of the candidates. ". . . the liberty to keep and bear arms, and protect yourself if you have to. That is what America is all about."

269 Rick Perry pulls 10% constantly.

270 Can't watch now as there's not enough time in the blogging day to watch videos for what essentially a side-bet.

2 midday posts and 2 hours to bitch and insult.  But no time for actual research.   hahahahaha

271 Give in.  Feel what its like to be on the winning Romney bandwagon.

272

I thought this was a very conservative quote:

“That’s just very insensitive,” Cain told Fox News Sunday. “There isn’t a more vile, negative word than the N-word and and for him to leave it there as long as he did before I hear that they finally painted over it, it’s just plain insensitive to a lot of black people in this country.”

What's more conservative than some good 'ol fashioned race-baiting?

As a conservative, I know I just can't get enough of this kind of thing.

273

Where is the Thread for "Conservative Things that Cain Has Done"?

That would be a short thread. ....It's easy to come up with things that Cain has said...he's been a Radio Talk Show Host for years, so he's been talking for a living.

274 I miss Palin. That bitch.

275 "Imagine there's no pizza" - ?

276 Maybe he is working on a 900 page movie review.

277 Just in case anyone missed- Why go back to the desert?'s second post: 87 @Ace I just posted because I'm certain that many people, like me, have no idea anything he's said. The closest association with Herman Cain is just 9-9-9. So I picked out, with no discernment, a list of what he's said. As you can see, most of it is just nothing. He's got a history of saying nothing at all. Posted by: Why go back to the desert? at October 28, 2011 01:26 PM (l8nIR) ***** Actually if you read most of the quotes it is Herman Cain recommending Herman Cain...

278

The knives will come out and Cain will be absolutely carved up.  Every single little thing he has ever said will come out and be twisted to make him look bad.  His race will be irrelevant.  See Thomas, Clarence for reference.

Posted by: Hedgehog at October 28, 2011 01:43 PM (jkgfU)

There is only one indestructible black element in the universe: Black Democratium. Black Republicantum does not exist and has never found any foundation or theory postulating the possibility of it ever existing. There are, however, alchemists in the GOP Laboratory who have claimed multiple times to have discovered it. They point toward their recent experiments with the Michael Steel isotope.

279 Can't watch now as there's not enough time in the blogging day to watch videos for what essentially a side-bet.

2 midday posts and 2 hours to bitch and insult.  But no time for actual research.   hahahahaha


Unless it is research for a THIRD bitch/insult post!  hahahahahahahaha

280 I miss Palin. That bitch.

Posted by: Cherry pi at October 28, 2011 02:02 PM (OhYCU)

I dont

281 Off topic - does it not concern anybody that he had stage IV cancer that spread to his liver? He wasn't cured, it's just in remission. Do you think he could survive the stress of the presidency? When do you think the media will start doing special reports on this - before or after he is nominated? How do you think independents and undecideds will feel about voting for a 65-year-old man who had colon and liver cancer?

282

The Romney and Anyone But Romney factions will fight through the primaries, with no one getting enough delegates to clinch the nomination.  By the time we get to the convention, too much bad blood will exist between these groups to settle on anyone who had been in the running.

 

Out of the smoke-filled back rooms, a deal will be struck that everyone can agree toÂ….

 

Palin/T-Paw

 

AceÂ’s head explodes.

283 "Right of return" ... "Right of return" ... Right of return" ... "You're talking about the right of return" - ?

284 278

With regards to 9-9-9, Herman Cain said that since God ONLY expects 10%, Government can make do with 9%!

Uh, 9% of your income plus 9% of your consumption is greater than 10......

Ok, *I* know it's more than 10, but THAT's what HE said!  Sounded conservative, no?

285 I really would like a thread on Newt, fwiw. 

286 ask not what your country can do for you — ask for pepperoni

287 I keep wondering if this is Ace demonstrating an MFM tactic: keep asking the question and ignoring the answers until the question itself becomes the story and the perception. (Not that I was ever a Cain fan, just think it would show evil genius)

288
302

good point.

289 ......ask for crazy bread.

290 Man Warden you are cracking me up! To bad you are stuck in Ohio.

291 That'll be four score and seven for your 6 pizzas...plus tip

292 >>Mitt, for example, has not always said conservative things. He has always strove to say what his audience wanted to hear. Apparently not. He's not backing down on his health care plan for example.

293
"I happen to believe that there's ice milk and there's Häagen-Dazs Black Walnut. Substance. That's the difference," Cain said. "I got some substance here. Okay? I'm Häagen-Dazs Black Walnut. It lasts longer than a week."

Häagen-Dazs's Black Walnut was a limited edition flavor that's no longer around. ABC broke the news to Cain, yesterday, and here's what he had to say:

"Well I was very disappointed to find out that it's a limited edition and they don't make Haagen Dazs the way they used to, so I'm heartbroken over that," said Cain. "I now have my people calling Haagen Dazs, finding out why they don't make Haagen Dazs ice cream, when they're going to bring it back, because it has always been my all time favorite."



So, he really likes top shelf Black Walnut ice-cream.  Which is sorta conservative.

294 oh merge *too* bad. Cripes my grammar has gone to Cleveland in a Herman basket.

295 That's not a fair quote. In state tuition is not free. The reality of this is that in state tuition doesn't cover all the costs, that is why out of state tuition exists. Every person on in state tuition is being subsidized by the out of state folks paying higher rates. And it grates me to no end that US citizens, are subsidizing the education of people who aren't even legally present in the US.


Texas public college and universities are supported by the state sales tax.

Those who are applying for in state tuition (illegal or otherwise) are required to have lived here for a minimum of 3 years.  The assumption is that they have buying stuff in that period.

8 other states offer in-state tuition for illegals - it's not unique to Texas. In fact, the SCOTUS upheld California's law granting in state tuition to illegals.

296 Women always like extra meat.  There's that.

297 289 Rick Perry pulls 10% constantly. Posted by: Winning at October 28, 2011 02:01 PM

That's not accurate, but you know that. 

And the point about Romney's ceiling in the polls is that he has been running without interruption for over three years. 

Perry (and the others, for that matter) have been running for a couple of months (in Perry's case) or maybe half a year'ish. 

298 Apparently not. He's not backing down on his health care plan for example.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 28, 2011 02:05 PM (TMB3S)

Poor choice for a hill to die on in todays climate

299 The first 2 9s are conservative.

300 "Godfather's Pizza, the pizza you can't refuse. Do it!" Oh was that before Cain?

301 Suck it up. Hash it out in the primary all you want, but once we hit the general, every butt in the chair -- whining about how their candidate didn't get on the ticket or the guy who did get on the ticket didn't campaign for your vote -- is half a vote for Obama. Is there anyone in the race (Huntsman's not in the running, so I think I'm safe with this quest) who would be worse than Obama? Sure, we could let him flounder for 4 more years so that maybe conservatism would win a few more converts, but at what cost? Posted by: JoeInMD at October 28, 2011 01:52 PM (Xwgt3) THIS x 1000. In the primaries, go at each other as hard as you can; in the general, go at the SCOAMF with everything you've got. Romney, Cain, Perry, Joe the Squashed Armadillo -- I'll buy a yard sign and stuff envelopes for any of them when next August rolls around. Focus people: Country first, party second, personalities a distant third.

302 Apparently not. He's not backing down on his health care plan for example.

Even that is a matter of strategy, not principle.  He's decided that renouncing RomneyCare and thus adding to the "flip-flop" meme would be worse politically than just sticking to his guns. 

There's nothing Romney deeply believes, except that he should be president.

303 263 255 Would a Romney/Perry ticket fly?

I think too much damage has been done for that to happen. I would have gone for a Perry/Romney ticket until Romney started the smears against Perry. 

Also, if I were a Texan, I'd rather have Perry stay as governor to continue to fight the feds.  There's really no reason to expect Romney to make radical rollbacks to the federal government. 

Posted by: Y-not at October 28, 2011 01:58 PM (5H6zj)

Not sure if you remember but Reagan and Bush didn't exactly love each other.  Guess who coined the term "Voodoo Economics?"

304

Poor choice for a hill to die on in todays climate

Well, its hard to un-fuck that chicken, you know.

305 "It will be a twenty foot wall, barbed wire, electrified on the top, and on this side of the fence, I'll have that moat that President Obama talked about. And I would put those alligators in that moat!" ???

306 OK, so it turns out to BE Cain... will the electorate give him a pass on foreign policy when there is at least one war going on... and will they be OK with the idea that overnight everything in the store will suddenly be 9 percent more expensive? I just see him getting in real trouble with independents.

307 >>Poor choice for a hill to die on in todays climate Maybe. But he is winning all four early states and the endorsements from conservatives and moderates keep rolling in. We'll see if he can keep it rolling or not.

308 "'That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it' let me tell you. We've got some alterin' and abolishin' to do!!" Also from the NRA video - "We have some people who try to re-write the Declaration of Independece and ignore the Constition, of the United States of America. The patriots of this nation are saying 'WE WILL NOT RE-WRITE THE DECLARATION AND WE WILL NOT IGNORE THE CONSTITUTION!'" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1tBs56NLzc Do you have enough yet for your little experiment yet Ace?

309 ...and the last 9 is off the rails. Kind of reminds me of that Black Sabbath song- We're Going Off the Rails On the Cain Train! Something like that...

310 I love Cain, but he has made several deeply disturbing remarks, calling into question his ability as a candidate at the very least. With respect to Ace, asking for conservative statements made by Cain (and definitively answered by desert) is beside the point, regardless. Maybe Cain will rehabilitate himself in the Lincoln-Douglas debate, but that does not appear likely. I will vote for Romney when the time comes, but it will be with disgust. None of the other candidates (possibly excepting Newt, who has other problems) has shown the ability to be an effective candidate, period. Maybe we will all be surprised, probably not.

311 "I'll electricute border jumpers if I'm president... I'm just kidding. No I'm kind of serious... Just kidding... Maybe a little bit serious" -- ?

312 309
302

good point.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at October 28, 2011 02:04 PM (Qxdfp)

Have to second that, and I'm surprised it hasn't come up more. No fear, it will if he would happen to get the nomination. Which is really unlikely. It's probably going to be Romney or possibly Perry as an outside shot. The VP slot will be interesting, though. Gingrich would be a good fit for Romney, experience "gravitas" or some such shit. Anyway, those two could probably dazzle the "middle" with bullshit and maybe win. Maybe. We keep thinking Obama is weak, but it seems like the populace is what is weak. Feckless might be a better word.

I just read Buchanan's new book, and as much as I dislike him, it seems right on the money, and is really somber.

313 Not sure if you remember but Reagan and Bush didn't exactly love each other.  Guess who coined the term "Voodoo Economics?"

That's a little different than demonizing someone for using the phrase Ponzi scheme and spending a couple of weeks trying to blame Perry for something that some minister said at a press conference.  Romney's attacks have been personal more than policy disagreements. 

In any event, I agree with AmishDude that both could do better. 

314 283 Cthulhu is a RINO. Posted by: FlaviusJulius at October 28, 2011 02:00 PM (ieDPL) Ya got that right. Whatta pussy.

315 280 >>Yea but you left out that personal mandates used to be a very conservative position. And when I say used to be I mean less than a decade ago.
No, I didn't.  I said Reagan's position on some things evolved along with the conservative movement's position on that stuff and I would give Romney a pass on Romneycare for the same reason, if Romney's position had evolved.
Romney has stood behind a mandate at the state level but not the national level. If he came out now against his plan don't you think most people who already call him a flip flopper would just hammer on that too?   Sure, he would be hammered.  I don't really care.  I would rather support a conservative 'flip-flopper' than a stalwart RINO. 

316 >> On the other hand, it's possible that the point of my challenge is correct, and those supporting Cain will have difficulty coming up with any tangible reason to support him. Anyone But Obamney! There's your fu*kin' reason right there.

317 @334: especially when Romney himself called Social Security a "criminal enterprise" in his (pre-revised) book. No one's saying Romney's perfect, by any stretch of the imagination...

318 Look folks, the Republican Party needs to nominate somebody who is electable, somebody who can reach across the aisle and get things done.  This is who the American people are looking for. 

319 Social Security is a criminal enterprise is OK but Social Security is a Ponzi is over the top?

320

That would be a short thread. ....It's easy to come up with things that Cain has said.

 

There's nothing more conservative than making a success of a private company that keeps Americans employed and offers a product that Americans want at a price they can afford.

That's conservatism.

321 That's not a fair quote. In state tuition is not free. The reality of this is that in state tuition doesn't cover all the costs, that is why out of state tuition exists. Every person on in state tuition is being subsidized by the out of state folks paying higher rates. And it grates me to no end that US citizens, are subsidizing the education of people who aren't even legally present in the US.


Texas public college and universities are supported by the state sales tax.

Those who are applying for in state tuition (illegal or otherwise) are required to have lived here for a minimum of 3 years.  The assumption is that they have buying stuff in that period.

8 other states offer in-state tuition for illegals - it's not unique to Texas. In fact, the SCOTUS upheld California's law granting in state tuition to illegals.

The assumption is that they have buying stuff in that period.
Really you think of public college on a taxes payed basis? So if you buy a lot of stuff and pay lotso taxes you get a cheaper rate than someone who has payed very little tax? Do all the folks that buy your exports of oil and gas, cattle, computer parts, aeronautical supplies, etc etc who are pumping up your State, do they get reduced rates to the colleges they are supporting? In state college tuition has always been about improving in state youth. However what Texas is saying in a loud and clear manner, is that we would rather educate an in state illegal alien than an out of state US Citizen. I say F* you to that. Saying Cali does it too by the way is a terrible argument.

322 Dennis Miller compiled a list of "stuff that speaks to me" from Herman Cain. Lead off- "The President has abused his position." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1tBs56NLzc

323 Romney, whatever else you thing of him, can adapt contort as needed.

Worse than that, Romney has chosen not to lead, where we most need leadership - fiscal and entitlement policy. His answer to balancing the budget in MA was.... raising "fees", not cutting spending - maybe he didn't have a choice, but I don't think he cared to make that choice.

In the end, Romney cares more about being liked by "the right people" more than about doing the right thing. A few years ago, "the right people" = voters of MA. Right now, "the right people" = Republican primary voters. Next year, "the right people" = The American People (TM), and after that "the right people" = people who criticize him from the left, to whom he will accede issue after issue, in order to prove that he's not "right".

NewEnglandDevil (in MA)

324 FuckRomney 2012

325 "Texas public college and universities are supported by the state sales tax." Yeah, they are, but that's ONLY ONE funding stream. Texas college and universities are also funded by the Permanent Funds from Texas State lands. Illegal residents have ZERO claim to the revenues from those lands. Texas colleges and universities also have significant financial inputs from the federal government. The claim that "Texas public college and universities are supported by the state sales tax." and that makes it OK for illegals because they pay sales tax to is simply a lie by omission.

326 "This 9-9-9 sh*t is hard to keep up with."

Stuff Herman Cain Said, Volume 1

327 How about this?  Seems like a start...

328 This is probably off-topic (maybe not, given that this website is run by Herman Cain's pick for Ambassador to South Sea Paradise Island), but I cannot connect to theothermccain.com. For me, his site is bringing up "server not found" errors. However, looking at twitter feeds and such, I can't find mention of any problems. Weird. I checked my DNS, and it appears that the problem is that I cannot resolve the address www.theothermccain.com.

Oh, and Barack Obama is a Stuttering Clusterfuck of a Miserable Failure.

Although he does like Pizza, so will be voting for Herman Cain come November, so I guess there is that.

329 David, There's some maintenance going on in the Atlanta area where major hubs are getting some equipment replaced. Depending on where you are in the country and how you're routing to the site, you might be getting errors. Same thing was happening to HotAir.com yesterday morning if you were connecting from Alabama, Mississippi, Florida or parts of Louisiana and Tennessee.

330

Cain is charming.

Cain is funny.

Cain is articulate.

Cain is clean.

 

Sound familiar?

331 I can't remember anything he's said, except he said it in a folksy and/or angry manner.

Yeah I hate it when people communicate conservative ideas like that.

332 David, Forgot to include, the site is up, it's just a routing problem you're having. It's temporary, probably be fixed for you within the hour.

333 I'm very close to becoming a writer-inner of Marco Rubio.

One question, though, if we're trying to find reasons to support Cain.  Wouldn't a president who isn't all knowing and all powerful allow for some recalibrating of the checks-n-balances between the branches?

I'm not trying to reach, I'm not sold on Cain.  But I think think it could be an unintended consequence.

Although, it might be exasperating hearing him go thru the process of determining if he will support proposed legislation and why or why not.

334

Posted by: Zombie Waylon at October 28, 2011 01:55 PM (YdQQY)

I liked your version, too, "you bastid"

335 My favorite thing about Herman Cain is that he is not Barack Obama. Of course I don't think he has said that what with getting caught up in the gotcha of the MSM; gotchas that Obama will never be bothered with.

336

he would appoint victims of epa foolish regulations to oversee the epa

and

he didn't call me heartless for opposing in-state tuition for illegals...

337 He isn't romney and he isn't obama. I'd prefer Paul, but I can't get everything I want.

338 Lou #82 said: I was a Pawlenty guy until his massive flameout. So was Ace, and I think he got burned as much as I did with all of the people supporting Bachmann You leave for 1/2 hour, and 150 new comments! Well oh well. I take Ace's concern about Cain's political inexperience seriously. He called Sharron Angle and Christine O'Donnell correctly in 2010 while I still had hope. But when I gather all the candidates' strengths and weaknesses, I'm still leaning Cain at this point. He's got this extra something - it's not Reaganesque but it is in the ballpark - that makes many people want to like him, trust him, and follow him. To me that is a *huge* factor for Independents. There's plenty of time to keep evaluating; we'll see. Cain will have to show me ascent on the learning curve, or he will lose me. The others have their own challenges for me as well.

339 "I cannot resolve the address www.theothermccain.com."

they changed the url to http://theothermccain.com

340 Cain is well meaning but would end up embarrassing us more than he  has already.  He isn't ready to be president. We said that about Obama and we were right.  Cain isn't either although he would be better than Obama.  We are probably stuck with Romney, get used to it.

341 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

342 Blacks are brainwashed?

In any case I look at a consistent record so I'll stick with the governor from Texas. He has a god new ad out today. He'll turn it around.

343

Cain you mean the guy not Perry (and because of that factoid unable to find a sympathetic ear from Ace et. al.) proposing a pathway to Fairtax which is the most conservative of all taxation policies as opposed to a flat tax and not reducing the existing tax code crony capitalism and need for IRS 

or Cain you mean the guy not Romney and Gingrich who has never supported cap and tax approaches from scaremongering AGW'ers

or Cain you mean the guy not Santorum who has some shot at ginning up minority support

or Cain you mean the guy/gal not Bachman who is not Palin redux

or Cain you mean the guy not Paul who is not reflexively isolationist/anti-semetic

or Cain you mean the guy not Huntsman/Crist who is not Huntsman/Crist

344 I have raised this same issue with a number of conservatives, and have never gotten a good answer: what is conservative about a candidate who supports choice (until he doesn't), doesn't support protecting marriage (until he does), supports Mitt, supported TARP (until he didn't), supports subsidizing business killing local policies through "opportunity zones," supports protectionism, and supports placing TWO new taxes (a VAT and a sales tax) on everyday Americans.

345 what we need on this thread is a link to cheap shoes.

346 Cain's conservative bona-fides are sound, but he hasn't distilled them yet down to simple key core principles. So he's vulnerable to the gaffe and the gotcha. Bernard Shaw (CNN) used to spend days honing questions targeted at a candidate's weaknesses. Days. Then he'd pop the question in a national debate, and the candidate would have only seconds to answer. (Remember the Kitty Dukakis rape question.) Not fair, but that's the way it is, and Cain will face much of that. He's not ready - yet. IF Cain gets a little more adroit on his feet and politically savvy, he'll clean Obama's clock. He's my best choice, right now. But like them all he's got weaknesses to fix. He's inspirational and enthusiastic; I suspect he will be a freakin' monster bulldog for doing the right thing; and his conservatism is sound.

347 295 I miss Palin. That bitch.

Posted by: Cherry pi at October 28, 2011 02:02 PM (OhYCU)

That woman made the right decision.  Except for the occasional 3rd rate comedian wishing someone would kill her, her life has to be considerably calmer now.

348 365: Fair Tax Forever

Dude, I kinda support Cain but it is in spite of the FairTax/999.  It is obvious you, him, Boortz, Linder, etc, are trying to do good but lack the ability to think like a Prog and thus can't see the fatal flaws in that line of thinking.  I can.  So lemme put you some knowledge on.

If I were a Prog I'd put up a big hissy fit for show and the quietly scuttle the fight against a Fair Tax because it would be the biggest win for the Prog cause since FDR went to Hell.  And only the conservatives could possibly pass it.  It is right there in the name.  Fair Tax.  Let it pass and wait until the next general election.  That damned prebate is the secret.  The supporters are correct that politically it isn't viable without it but they can't clearly see WHY.  The second it passes the progs instruct their media wing to begin referring to it as "Your Fair Share." while every prog candidate goes all in on the talking point of "Miserly Rethuglicans think that pittance is your Fair Share.  Well I can promise that if elected I'll make sure you get what you deserve."  It ensures each and every American (and qualifying undocumented immigrant) is carefully enumerated in a government database so they can get their monthly "Prebate" (first D POTUS will make sure everyone has a plastic card with "Fair Share" printed on it) deposit.  And every election the Progs will promise to work toward making sure every Citizen gets, as a birthright, enough cash to 'end poverty' by just 'giving back' to everybody their 'Fair Share' of the wealth the 'Rich' used to steal from them.  And every election the Demonrats and the MSM (BIRM) will be sure to remind everyone that the single dream of every R candidate is to take away their 'Fair Share' of the wealth.

349 I admit one of the main reasons I support Cain is that I believe Romney is a pile and Perry kills me with the in-state tuition for illegals krap (I live near the border and not being tough on illegal immigration is a sore point for me.)  All these candidates are better than Obama, but to differing degrees.

I would argue one of the main things that makes Cain conservative is the fact he was a businessman.  He would be the first president in 150 years that wasn't either previously a politician or a general who was in charge when we won a major war.

The field is not great.  Meanwhile, I got a bumpersticker from the guy and sent him a few sheckles.

350 Ya don't like Cain, Ace. Ain't the end of the world unless you make it so.

351 You're damning the entire country.

Opposing him in a primary is one thing. Saying you could never pull a lever/check a box for him is another.

Posted by: JoeInMD at October 28, 2011 01:35 PM (Xwgt3)

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No, we're damning ourselves if Mittens is the best we can do.

352 Cain speaking to the NRA: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1tBs56NLzc

353 I'd like to turn this around: What "folksy," "dumbass" stuff has Cain said that Ace finds so horrific and unsupportable? Seriously? Because every candidate has said dumb stuff once in a while. All of them. If that's your disqualifying point, why even bother pretending you'll vote?

354 I just recall this huge enthusiasm supporting hacks like Brown and cheering on Rubio like a demented loon as if they had no flaws or said nothing poor or wrong. Why suddenly this opposition of GOP candidates? Where's Ace trying to go with this? Is it just a deep seated terror that unless we find the one guy everyone will 100% support and has no flaws Obama will win?

Good lord, my mailman could beat Obama at this point.

355 Fuck it, I'm voting for Ron Paul. The World deserves a non-interventionist America for four years like Paris Hilton deserves The Clap.

356 It's not that Cain is dumb.  He just has no idea what he's talking about. He would need as many advisers as zero has czars.

357 "same Jordan who'd vote for Obama if Mitt isn't the nominee? " I'm going to vote for him even if Mitt *is* the nominee.

358 Slow and steady wins the race. http://tinyurl.com/3d562xo Winning; not a sometimes thing, and all-the-time type deal.

359 "“Cain gave just a barn-burner of a speech,” says John Andrews, director of the Centennial Institute at Colorado Christian University, which organized the conference. “A lot of people told me they never dreamed of marking in their straw-poll ballot for Cain before they heard this speech.” Perry and Santorum had received standing ovations. Cain’s speech drew an even more enthusiastic response: Twice, the crowd stood up in the middle of his speech, applauding wildly. After the speech, some who had voted for another candidate pleaded to receive their ballots back so they could switch their vote to Cain. “We had people storming the information desk,” Andrews recalls. Ultimately, event organizers decided that attendees would not be allowed to switch their votes. Nevertheless, Cain decisively won the straw poll, receiving 48 percent of the votes cast. Perry came in second, with 13 percent of the votes. Romney and Santorum tied at 10 percent, and tea-party favorite Michele Bachmann won 9 percent."

360 These people aren't the type to ask others to do their research for them in full snark mode either. I'm certain you will all give it sober and judicious thought and come to the appropriate conclusions.

361  getting off Democrat Plantation--- - not  a cain supporter

362 I thought Cain was more of a radical than a conservative.

363 What a great plan we have here. Circle the wagons and shoot towards the center. Then when all our candidates are dead from friendly fire the SCOAMF will waltz into another 4 years of joy and unicorn farts. Great plan guys.

364 "I think that taxes would be fair if we first get rid of the tax code."
Okay that's one point FOR Cain.

"allow for younger taxpayers to invest a portion of their Social Security taxes in private account"

two.

"You mess with Israel, you are messing with the United States of America!"

That's three for candidate Cain. btw: I like that he's good with Israel.

"The 9-9-9 plan"

Four points and counting

"The biggest - one of the biggest barriers to driving economic growth is the capital gains tax rate. I propose taking it to zero."

High FIVE

Howzit he didn't know about the supposed right of return, Perry's dad fixing the stupid rock?

hmmm?

365 Nice try, Ace! I appreciate it Amigo. Looks like I've played out my string, though, as rootin', tootin', coyote-shootin' Texas tough guys (also known as "compassionate conservatives") are not in vogue at the moment. I'm trying to get my bro' Clint E. to write me up a better script, but he hasn't gotten back to me yet...

366

Posted by: Why go back to the desert? at October 28, 2011 01:12 PM (l8nIR)

It's supposed to be about what you remember, not what you Google.

367 37
A lotta people don't know or they forgot that Herb Cain was a key leader in the Tea Party movement.

One reason I like Cain is that he had the balls to step up and support the Tea Party rallies in a big way, even before they were really popular.

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 28, 2011 01:15 PM (G/zuv)

Actually, he kind of came late to the party.  I don't remember seeing him until a few months before the 2010 elections.  I'm pretty sure about that.

368

I'm not concerned if Cain has spoken some conservative views. I'm more concerned that past statements and action display Liberals ones.  I don't believe what candidates say while campaigning. I research.  What scares me most about Herman Cain is what he's not telling us.

The reason I don't believe what Mr. Cain says unchallenged on the stump is he panders.  He plays both sides.  What's worse for me is that his lifelong held beliefs are now all of a sudden different since running for President.  I don't know what he stands for.  I do know he'd bring obfuscations and fence sitting to the Presidency.  Although I may have missed some, here are all the flip flops I've seen and they are validated and can be found easily on the Internet. Because most conservatives, including bloggers, decided they didn't need to Vet Mr. Cain or made excuses for his obfuscations and gaffes, theses are sure to bite him later.  Not to mention what years of tapes as a talk show host will bring.
 

FLIP FLOPS: Audit the Fed, Muslims, Christians won't voter for Mormons, Al Awaki killing. Iraq withdrawal, abortion, handling illegals. small government (you cannot be a paid DC Lobbyist for decades and you cannot have a centerstone of your tax plan be Empowerment zones and claim this). TARP, DOMA, DADT, marriage pledge.
 
LIFELONG STANCES: against fetal heartbeat law, pro Voter's Rights Act and said would vote to reauthorize. Separation of church and state is in the constitution, believes in 2nd amendment but several time and in same interviews says gun legislation is a states rights issues. always been against school choice/vouchers yet now for it, pro Teacher's unions. is pro affirmative action, pro college and business race quotas, and pro Federal intervention in the workplace on behalf of minorities.

When asked by GOP to run for office in NE said wasn't ready to cater and appease value voters on social issues. He said for example, on abortion, I am pro-life with exceptions and people want all or nothing.  In his history, Mr. Cain went from pro-life with several exceptions to pro-life wth three exceptions, then pro-life with one now that he's been getting battered says prolife with no exceptions. He even stated it in some circumstances it should be legal. In other words, he's Pro-choice. He doesn't want to come out and tell us he is, but he is. Now he says would sign constitutional amendment if comes to his desk. BTW, he needs to learn the constitution, Presidents don't sign constitutional amendments. Just 4 days ago, he told Gretchen Carlsen "No, abortion shouldn't be a part of the political discussion."

Worse, after he declined to run for office, he supported three Democrats instead. One of which is Ben Nelson, the deciding vote that gave us Obamacare.

When he dropped out of the 2000 Presidential race, said felt Bush was too conservative and not only supported the more Liberal candidate, went to work for him as his Co-Chair against Bush. What's too conservative? Especially when you're claiming you're a conservative? Bush was TOO conservative? Really?

 

369 "One of us is wrong, I think. So let's figure out who."

Strawman much? Stupid Fuck.

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