October 17, 2011
— Ace Rasmussen's polls have been consistently on the low side for Republican candidates, with Romney only occasionally managing slight leads (and Perry managing that when he first entered the race).
This could just be candidates briefly getting the "Generic Republican Advantage" when they first become prominent, and yet not well known as far as their particulars.
But still, a good poll for Cain, certainly.
Posted by: Ace at
08:58 AM
| Comments (177)
Post contains 79 words, total size 1 kb.
Posted by: Evil Stalin Sub-Tard at October 17, 2011 08:59 AM (0M3AQ)
Posted by: EC at October 17, 2011 08:59 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: Ben at October 17, 2011 09:00 AM (wuv1c)
This makes little sense when compared to Rassmussen's polls showing Obama with a 45+% approval rating.
Posted by: Soothsayer at October 17, 2011 09:01 AM (sqkOB)
Posted by: Secundus at October 17, 2011 09:01 AM (96ems)
Posted by: brak at October 17, 2011 09:03 AM (vZ97X)
He still has a long way to go, but he has come a long way in a short time and I think he can make it.
Posted by: Nighthawk at October 17, 2011 09:03 AM (OtQXp)
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at October 17, 2011 09:03 AM (QGQHq)
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at October 17, 2011 09:05 AM (QGQHq)
That's all I want from life.
Posted by: oblig. at October 17, 2011 09:06 AM (cePv8)
(Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure)
Wait, what?
Posted by: Occupy Wall Street at October 17, 2011 09:06 AM (136wp)
Posted by: chazmartel at October 17, 2011 09:08 AM (wlSqE)
Obama is a Stuttering Cluster Fuck of a Miserable Failure....
Stay focused my friends.....
Posted by: fixerupper at October 17, 2011 09:08 AM (C8hzL)
Posted by: brak at October 17, 2011 01:03 PM (vZ97X)
Hey, let's keep electing career politicians! that's worked out so well for us so far!
Posted by: Unclefacts Out Of Commenting Retirement Just For This One Thing at October 17, 2011 09:09 AM (6IReR)
The Cain trains leaving the station, All aboard!!
Whoo, Whoo!
Posted by: McLovin at October 17, 2011 09:09 AM (j0IcY)
Posted by: The Robot Devil at October 17, 2011 09:10 AM (136wp)
Posted by: cherry pi at October 17, 2011 09:10 AM (OhYCU)
Posted by: Comrade Arthur at October 17, 2011 09:10 AM (mGnwL)
Posted by: dfbaskwill at October 17, 2011 09:10 AM (71LDo)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at October 17, 2011 09:11 AM (ieDPL)
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at October 17, 2011 09:11 AM (QGQHq)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at October 17, 2011 01:11 PM (ieDPL)
He says it at the end of every sentence.
Posted by: Unclefacts Out Of Commenting Retirement Just For This One Thing at October 17, 2011 09:11 AM (6IReR)
Posted by: Paul at October 17, 2011 09:12 AM (DsHk0)
Posted by: the new album from Herman Cain and the 999's at October 17, 2011 09:13 AM (Q4+sE)
Posted by: Smaug at October 17, 2011 09:13 AM (OlN4e)
What we really need to fix the country is a guy who just wings it. Populism FTW.
Well they couldn't possibly do any worse.
Posted by: Entropy at October 17, 2011 09:14 AM (IsLT6)
> 9 Hey let's nominate the guy with no experience! Worked last time
Posted by: brak
He has experience.
Posted by: Comrade Arthur at October 17, 2011 01:10 PM (mGnwL)
Yeah, WTF? No experience? Is this like how he's not a real black man? The only real experience is government experience!
Posted by: chazmartel at October 17, 2011 09:14 AM (wlSqE)
I don't think it is correct to paint Cain with the populist brush. Mitt is a populist.
Posted by: The Robot Devil at October 17, 2011 09:14 AM (136wp)
As for the Ras, I think he is up to something. Not sure what it is but he is tinkering with these polls. I do not trust him right now. But still his have to be better than NBC which sampled 81 "likely Republican Primary voters" for a poll.
Posted by: Vic at October 17, 2011 09:14 AM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at October 17, 2011 09:14 AM (JxMoP)
Posted by: Evil Stalin Sub-Tard at October 17, 2011 09:15 AM (0M3AQ)
Posted by: Zombie Colonel Sanders at October 17, 2011 09:16 AM (ieDPL)
Posted by: D. Hopper Badger at October 17, 2011 09:16 AM (W6fsT)
Posted by: Vic at October 17, 2011 09:17 AM (M9Ie6)
What if I changed my name to Fuck Romney? I need to get about 23%.
Posted by: Mitt Romney at October 17, 2011 09:18 AM (136wp)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at October 17, 2011 09:18 AM (ieDPL)
I'm still laughing at the OWS idea to send "delegates" to Philadelphia next July 4th for a convention.
Where are they gonna meet, at a public park?
Posted by: Soothsayer at October 17, 2011 09:18 AM (sqkOB)
Posted by: D. Hopper Badger at October 17, 2011 09:18 AM (W6fsT)
Cain is leading.
Translation: Republican base to GOP establishment: Fuck you, assholes. Take that!
Posted by: Smaug at October 17, 2011 09:18 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: Vic at October 17, 2011 01:17 PM (M9Ie6)
Apparently you missed that whole 2 million raised in the last two months with no campaign debt thingy...
Posted by: Unclefacts Out Of Commenting Retirement Just For This One Thing at October 17, 2011 09:19 AM (6IReR)
Posted by: Boone at October 17, 2011 09:20 AM (Jl3Mu)
Posted by: PugBoo Four Legged TeaPug Jihadist at October 17, 2011 09:21 AM (xN2k3)
Posted by: Zombie Colonel Sanders at October 17, 2011 01:16 PM (ieDPL)
You've got my support as long as you name Jared from Subway as your Veep.
I'm not a huge Cain guy (think he could be gaffe prone in a long campaign especially, and don't like the sales tax like Mallamutt said), but the experience thing is not much of a factor.
Cain has plenty of experience, just not in government.
As for foreign policy, he's weak and has to get better, but plenty of presidential hopefuls have little experience in this arena.
I'm still hoping Perry gets his act together. Better hurry Rick.
Posted by: Delta Smelt at October 17, 2011 09:21 AM (dWPyO)
Herman Cain will Tax the Poor.
Herman Cain will give Tax Cuts to the Rich.
Herman Cain is a Rich Corporatist!
Posted by: Occutards in the street in 2012 at October 17, 2011 09:23 AM (KlQqQ)
No I didn't. I also didn't miss the report that he spent almost all of that as it was being raised. Also, didn't miss the fact that 2M is a fraction of what Romney and Perry raised.
Posted by: Vic at October 17, 2011 09:23 AM (M9Ie6)
I'd be happy to vote for him. Hell at this point I would vote for the empty water bottle that rolls around underneath the seat of my car
That water bottle is a damn RINO and you know it.
Posted by: Delta Smelt at October 17, 2011 09:23 AM (dWPyO)
Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at October 17, 2011 09:23 AM (5JUlA)
I still want Perry, but at this point, I'm on the anyone but Romney or Obama bandwagon.
check out Rdbrewer's link in the sidebar. It's devastation. I don't understand how Romney is considered a Republican let alone conservative.
Posted by: Ben at October 17, 2011 09:23 AM (wuv1c)
Yea, that is kinda eye catching. 41%. And considering that Obama probably still has 97% of the African American vote guaranteed, that translates to real problems in the key swing voting blocks.
Some of these polls that I've read have Cain taking 20+% of the black vote, which would be fatal. I don't know that it's possible for any Democrat to win with less than 90% of the black vote. Of course, this assumes that those poll numbers are accurate (and I don't believe they would ever be close to that on election day).
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at October 17, 2011 09:24 AM (JxMoP)
Posted by: Smaug at October 17, 2011 01:18 PM (OlN4e)
Had an RNC fundraiser call me this morning to ask for a donation. Told him I donated only to specific candidates based on their positions and that I was extremely pissed off that the Republican Establishment has already decided that Romney is to be the nominee despite not one vote having yet been cast. "Put me on your Do Not Call List" were my parting words.
Posted by: No Whining at October 17, 2011 09:25 AM (Wqfrr)
>>>Both Huntsman and Santorum are broke. So is Cain. If it wasn't for the debates and Sunday talk shows Cain would be hurting bad.
You know what's funny about that. They both has said they will boycott the debate in Nevada because the state is considering moving it's primaries up.
Good I say. We don't need them in the race anymore and I'd like to see how long their campaigns survive without the free airtime.
Posted by: Ben at October 17, 2011 09:26 AM (wuv1c)
Posted by: Buddy Roemer at October 17, 2011 01:24 PM (OWjjx
If your own tweets were votes, you'd be the nominee by friend! Back away from the keyboard. Don't make me unfollow you.
Posted by: Delta Smelt at October 17, 2011 09:26 AM (dWPyO)
Posted by: David Rodaxel at October 17, 2011 09:26 AM (kKWmw)
Posted by: nevergiveup at October 17, 2011 09:26 AM (i6RpT)
The only reason he didn't raise more money is because America is a racist country that will never elect a Black man as president. That's why we have to destroy the capitalist system and bring Socialism to our shores. That way we will finally be free.
Or something like that. I'm hungry, and I haven't had a bong hit in like five hours.
Posted by: Typical Progressive Hippie in a park at October 17, 2011 09:27 AM (K6bNI)
Good, glad to see this. He still has to prove himself as more info comes out. So, will the LSM be racist for going after Cain more than they ever did Obama? Nope. But people will see the difference.
My concern is information will come out after he's the nominee, I'd rather all the information, liabilities come out in the primaries so people can see how he will defend against it, I read he did have Stage four cancer, but he's been cancer free for 6 or 7 years, but the LSM will use this tactic to undermine him, how he defends against this is something I want to see.
Posted by: johnc_recent_EXdem at October 17, 2011 09:27 AM (ACkhT)
Apparently you missed that whole 2 million raised in the last two months with no campaign debt thingy...
That is nice....but really, 2 million bucks is nothing, Perry has about 15 million in the bank and Romney has about 14 million. 2 million means that Cain can be competative in Iowa and after that he has to win or go home.
Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at October 17, 2011 01:22 PM (OWjjx)
I've said it many times before: This coming presidential election is going to break many of the old paradigms of the campaign process. And the accumulation of campaign funds is going to be one of them.
Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at October 17, 2011 09:28 AM (5JUlA)
>>>>Yea, that is kinda eye catching. 41%. And considering that Obama probably still has 97% of the African American vote guaranteed, that translates to real problems in the key swing voting blocks.
I don't know about that.
I think Cain definitiely peels off 15% of the black vote. Keep in mind that things are really bad for blacks in America right now. They have a much higher unemployment rating than any other group.
I'm sure a lot of them are only going to vote for Obama again because of his skin color, whereas with Cain in the race, they might have a legitimate alternative.
Posted by: Ben at October 17, 2011 09:28 AM (wuv1c)
Posted by: The US Prison Population at October 17, 2011 09:28 AM (FcR7P)
Posted by: nevergiveup at October 17, 2011 01:26 PM (i6RpT)
Four words. Fox News.
Posted by: Barbarian at October 17, 2011 09:29 AM (EL+OC)
Posted by: Mitt Romney at October 17, 2011 09:29 AM (QKKT0)
Curious as to what will happen to Cain when his plan about empowerment zones becomes more widely known, I'm guessing it won't be good.
Is this the same idea that Jack Kemp was touting back in the 80s? If I'm not mistaken the idea was to spur commercial and industrial development in welfare-dominated areas as a long term method of weaning people off the government teat.
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at October 17, 2011 09:29 AM (JxMoP)
Actually Huntsman moved his HQ to NH last week and is concentrating his efforts there. It appears to be a last ditch effort for him. I expect him to drop out soon as he will not make a dent in Romney support in NH.
I have no idea what Santorum is hanging around for. I guess because its free.
Posted by: Vic at October 17, 2011 09:29 AM (M9Ie6)
But Intrade has Obama someone, anyone up by 20%!!!!!!
Okay, it doesn't exactly work here, but I've been jonesing for a poll thread.
Posted by: In before the troll at October 17, 2011 09:29 AM (o1ki4)
Posted by: Mitt Romney at October 17, 2011 01:29 PM (QKKT0)
Yeah, I've been wondering how long before Romney starts appearing in blackface.
Posted by: Smaug at October 17, 2011 09:30 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: Honey Badger at October 17, 2011 09:31 AM (GvYeG)
Posted by: nevergiveup at October 17, 2011 09:31 AM (i6RpT)
Posted by: matt at October 17, 2011 09:31 AM (X69df)
Posted by: MSM at October 17, 2011 09:32 AM (ubduJ)
Huntsman may pull some votes from Romney in NH. Probably not enough to make a difference, but whoever votes for Huntsman will be far closer to Romney than to Cain and Perry.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at October 17, 2011 09:32 AM (K6bNI)
Posted by: Rick Santorum at October 17, 2011 09:32 AM (FcR7P)
Posted by: The New York Times at October 17, 2011 09:32 AM (QKKT0)
#OccupyCainGarbagCans
Posted by: The Robot Devil at October 17, 2011 09:33 AM (136wp)
Posted by: nevergiveup at October 17, 2011 01:31 PM (i6RpT)
Karl Rove, Dana PeRINO, etc..
Posted by: Barbarian at October 17, 2011 09:33 AM (EL+OC)
Posted by: nevergiveup at October 17, 2011 01:31 PM (i6RpT)
Subliminal messages in the gold and mesothelioma ads?
Posted by: Nighthawk at October 17, 2011 09:33 AM (OtQXp)
Posted by: doug at October 17, 2011 09:34 AM (MQlzc)
Posted by: joncelli at October 17, 2011 09:34 AM (RD7QR)
Good name. It reminds me to reread The Hobbit.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at October 17, 2011 09:34 AM (K6bNI)
Posted by: nevergiveup at October 17, 2011 09:34 AM (i6RpT)
>>>>Actually Huntsman moved his HQ to NH last week and is concentrating his efforts there. It appears to be a last ditch effort for him. I expect him to drop out soon as he will not make a dent in Romney support in NH.
I'm hoping that Santorum and Huntsman drop out soon.
They waste time at the debates, plus Santorum's goal seems to be to tear down the other conservatives in the debates which only helps Romney.
We get it Rick, you're the most conservative person to ever walk this earth.
Posted by: Ben at October 17, 2011 09:34 AM (wuv1c)
..........
Naah.. if he loses, he can do nothing with our strong control of the House.
Much worse, however, is the lame duck period if he wins.. Bush tax cuts end permanently on Jan 1, 2013. We all get a nice big tax hike and no one can do a thing about it.
And, if the courts to not throw out Obamacare, it starts to kick in big time.
We have to win the white house.. doesn't matter who it si either.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 17, 2011 09:34 AM (f9c2L)
#OccupyCainGarbagCans
Posted by: The Robot Devil at October 17, 2011 01:33 PM (136wp)
#RazingCain
Posted by: No Whining at October 17, 2011 09:35 AM (Wqfrr)
Posted by: nevergiveup at October 17, 2011 09:35 AM (i6RpT)
check out Rdbrewer's link in the sidebar. It's devastation. I don't understand how Romney is considered a Republican let alone conservative.
I think you could ask the same question about Perry. There has been some question as to where he stood regarding the McCain-Kennedy Shamnesty bill. I think this should clear it up:
Face it, he's in the Bush, McCain, & Graham camp when it comes to this issue. He's no conservative.
Posted by: Reggie1971 at October 17, 2011 09:36 AM (b68Df)
I have no idea what Santorum is hanging around for.
Who knows, maybe he thinks that he can garner enough delegates to influence the nomination. Maybe it's a vanity run. Maybe he's doing it to boost his name recognition so he can run for something in Pennsylvania in the neat future. Heck, maybe he's delusional and actually thinks he can win.
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at October 17, 2011 09:36 AM (JxMoP)
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at October 17, 2011 09:36 AM (QGQHq)
Posted by: nevergiveup at October 17, 2011 01:34 PM (i6RpT)
I tell you what, you believe what you want.
Again, why do we have such a poor Republican lineup?
Posted by: Barbarian at October 17, 2011 09:36 AM (EL+OC)
Posted by: Black Honey Badger at October 17, 2011 09:36 AM (GvYeG)
That makes no sense. Fox News might have some effect on the popularity of those who declare, but it is the general tone of our political discourse that has kept better candidates out.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at October 17, 2011 09:37 AM (K6bNI)
>>Face it, he's in the Bush, McCain, & Graham camp when it comes to this issue. He's no conservative.
On immigration. Fine. I will happily concede that.
Romney isn't conservative on ANY issue, including immigration
So it's vote for a guy who is conservative on all but 1-2 issues or none. It's not a tough choice for me.
Posted by: Ben at October 17, 2011 09:38 AM (wuv1c)
My plan is 69. It works both ways!
Posted by: Typical perverted moron at October 17, 2011 09:39 AM (K6bNI)
Posted by: nevergiveup at October 17, 2011 09:40 AM (i6RpT)
>>>Who knows, maybe he thinks that he can garner enough delegates to influence the nomination. Maybe it's a vanity run. Maybe he's doing it to boost his name recognition so he can run for something in Pennsylvania in the neat future. Heck, maybe he's delusional and actually thinks he can win.
Nope. His old senate seat is up in 2012. He could have easily decided to jump in because no one else in the state with any name recognition has gotten into the race.
The reason he didn't? Because he lost that seat in 2006 by 19%. That's unheard of in PA. We tend to vote democrat but not by those margins.
He simply isn't liked by the vast majority of Pennsylvanians. Unless he runs for the house in one of the many conservative districts, his political career in PA is done.
So he was in a position where he couldn't run for Senate of Governor, and instead of taking a step down to run for a House seat, he's decided to take a hopeless shot at the white house.
Posted by: Ben at October 17, 2011 09:41 AM (wuv1c)
If the people who are paying attention and motivated primary voters are supporting Cain, does he need a traditional massive campaign structure to win the nomination (outside of busing Iowans to caucuses -- which is a stupid way to pick a candidate but whatever)? I've never voted for someone because I got something in the mail from them or saw an ad on TV.
Posted by: the dandy at October 17, 2011 09:41 AM (lVK3L)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at October 17, 2011 01:37 PM (K6bNI)
All one has to do is read the threads at AoSHQ to affirm that factoid.
Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at October 17, 2011 09:41 AM (5JUlA)
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at October 17, 2011 09:42 AM (QGQHq)
the gop establishment hardest hit
Posted by: phoenixgirl occupying work at October 17, 2011 09:43 AM (s+J9D)
Dude.... please keep up with the itinerary we send you. If you read our correspondence.... you would know that Monday's are "Stomp a Kitty Day".
Posted by: The Vast Right Wing Conspiracy at October 17, 2011 09:43 AM (C8hzL)
Posted by: nevergiveup at October 17, 2011 01:26 PM (i6RpT)
Some of them were not ready for prime time. Others who might have done better decided they did not want to run, for various reasons. So we are left with the present field.
Posted by: Miss'80s at October 17, 2011 09:45 AM (d6QMz)
Romney isn't conservative on ANY issue, including immigration
Romney opposed in-state tuition for illegals.
Romney supported enabling local law enforcement to work in conjuction with ICE.
Romney supports E-Verify. Perry opposes it.
No, Romney is better on this issue. And it's a BIG issue.
Posted by: Reggie1971 at October 17, 2011 09:45 AM (b68Df)
I was just reading WSJ's review of Ron Paul's economic plan and I like it.
Too bad he's batshit crazy on foreign policy.
Posted by: Ben at October 17, 2011 09:45 AM (wuv1c)
He said on one show yesterday that you couldn't predict how people would change their spending habits in regards to his 9% sales tax. Well, then it doesn't bode very well for predicting tax revenues then, does it Herman???
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 17, 2011 09:45 AM (f9c2L)
He simply isn't liked by the vast majority of Pennsylvanians. Unless he runs for the house in one of the many conservative districts, his political career in PA is done.
So he was in a position where he couldn't run for Senate of Governor, and instead of taking a step down to run for a House seat, he's decided to take a hopeless shot at the white house.
I don't doubt you at all, I was just spitballing. I have a hard time understanding how a guy who got steamrolled in a Senate election would think that he had a chance at garnering a Presidential nomination, much less winning the general election. If I were forced to make a guess, I'd say it had to do with trying to gain influence in the nomination process. Control of 3-4% of the delegates could be a nice bargaining chip in a hotly contested nomination.
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at October 17, 2011 09:46 AM (JxMoP)
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at October 17, 2011 09:47 AM (QGQHq)
Posted by: DriveBy at October 17, 2011 09:47 AM (C9Vc8)
>>Romney supported enabling local law enforcement to work in conjuction with ICE.
Yeah, he did that with like 15 days left in his term knowing it would be immediately overturned.
Sorry, not buying it.
Posted by: Ben at October 17, 2011 09:47 AM (wuv1c)
Posted by: HeartlessBlackOrchid at October 17, 2011 09:48 AM (SB0V2)
And we love all of these Great American's.
Wanna hear a Charlie Daniels song?
Posted by: Sean Hannity Fox News at October 17, 2011 09:48 AM (EL+OC)
That's not true. There is more than a little pragmatism that goes into how a border state deals with this issue when the Feds won't. A large part of the economy relies on migrant workers and that whole mess could be addressed with the right legislation. The reason it isn't is that having that wound left open benefits certain politicians.
What exactly isn't true? The notion that Perry was on board with the efforts of GWB, John McCain, Lindsay Graham, et al five years ago?
Of course it's true. Rick Perry knew exactly where Bush was on the issue, otherwise he wouldn't have stood by him as an endorsement of his position.
Posted by: Reggie1971 at October 17, 2011 09:48 AM (b68Df)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 17, 2011 09:48 AM (i9cTu)
Posted by: HeartlessBlackOrchid at October 17, 2011 09:49 AM (SB0V2)
Now, I understand why those other countries may not like that, but the benefits to us should be obvious.
Posted by: DriveBy at October 17, 2011 01:47 PM (C9Vc
Yup. When the dick goes flaccid, the fun is over.
Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at October 17, 2011 09:50 AM (5JUlA)
Posted by: Smaug at October 17, 2011 09:50 AM (OlN4e)
Naah.. if he loses, he can do nothing with our strong control of the House.
...............
Don't forget pardons. I expect the Illinois jails to be cleared out.
Posted by: Uncledave at October 17, 2011 09:51 AM (nJ32z)
Posted by: phoenixgirl occupying work at October 17, 2011 09:53 AM (s+J9D)
129 Cain's 9-9-9 plan has more holes in it than Swiss cheese..
Yup. And it calls for 'Empowerment Zones' which would bring it down to 3-3-3 within a certain geographic 'depressed area'.....this smacks of affirmative action.
'Empowerment Zones' = spread the wealth around.
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at October 17, 2011 09:54 AM (KlQqQ)
Posted by: matt at October 17, 2011 09:55 AM (nxTmu)
That being said Presidents don't write laws (well Obama does the MFM tells me) they agitate and use the bully pulpit to coerce them to be written. So what 999 tells me about Cain is that he is serious to a major overhaul to the tax system. One that will hopefully be written by someone like Paul Ryan.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at October 17, 2011 09:55 AM (tf9Ne)
Posted by: DriveBy at October 17, 2011 09:56 AM (C9Vc8)
what i love about the 999 plan is your income gets taxed once
so investments? not taxed
death tax? gone
only a tax on new goods!!! think of the used goods market!!!
old people if they are no longer working? not taxed!!!!
everyone pays taxes....everyone has skin in the game...everyone!
and my taxes will go down....way down
Posted by: phoenixgirl occupying work at October 17, 2011 09:59 AM (s+J9D)
Posted by: Nora at October 17, 2011 09:59 AM (VxqUc)
Actually Santorum is more conservative than Perry and so is Bachmann. Santorum just has never been able to gin up any support and Bachmann shit all over her support.
Posted by: Vic at October 17, 2011 10:00 AM (M9Ie6)
My guess is that Sean Hannity told him to run because he's a "Great American."
One of the many things I like about Cain is that he will not only make heads explode on the left but will also cause a few cranial eruptions among the Jonah Goldberg/Ed "Poppin' Fresh" Morrissey wing of the Republican commenterati, too.
But mainly, I like Cain -- and Perry -- because they are unapologetic and proud Americans. That's not at all true of the stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure.
Posted by: MrScribbler at October 17, 2011 10:02 AM (YjjrR)
Posted by: Vic at October 17, 2011 10:03 AM (M9Ie6)
>>>Uh, actually, he was, prior to 1993, a registered independent. He changed his affiliation in 1994 in order to run against Ted Kennedy in 1994.
LIES LIES LIES.
Mitt has done nothing wrong. Nothing!
Posted by: Ben at October 17, 2011 10:03 AM (wuv1c)
Posted by: Boone at October 17, 2011 10:04 AM (Jl3Mu)
http://tinyurl.com/6am8gxh
Posted by: The Robot Devil at October 17, 2011 10:04 AM (136wp)
>>104 - perry doesn't say a single word in your post. Just because Perry is standing next to Bush, doesn't mean that he agrees with what Bush is saying. You'll have to do better than that.
Also, didn't Romney support Mel Martinez's DREAM Act?
Mitt Romney, border warrior!
Posted by: Ben at October 17, 2011 10:06 AM (wuv1c)
I can live with Cain. I'd rather that he'd run a state or something, but even if he did NOTHING it would be a vast improvement over what we have now. As I see it, his job would simply be to sign the bills that a more conservative legislature will pass once the Dems have been driven back into minority status. That, and to unleash our forces on anybody who attacks us. Those two things should not require earth shaking ability.
Given what we have to work with, I'd be contented to see a Perry / Cain combo. Either one as VP would be nice - we'd have a backup that way. Then on the next cycle that VP could boast experience, and would have learned a lot. Whoever we get this cycle will disappoint a lot of us. Whoever it is, I'll vote for him anyway, given the alternative. But I think we need to see a decent conservative in the VP slot, so that we'll have a logical person lined up for later.
Posted by: Reactionary at October 17, 2011 10:06 AM (xUM1Q)
156 Oh yes, the infamous "pathway to citizenship". He said there was a pathway, it is called "get in line". And Romney said of McCain-Kenndy that he was in favor of it and it was "reasonable", but that was before he decided to run for President.
Romney opposed the bill
Posted by: Reggie1971 at October 17, 2011 10:07 AM (b68Df)
Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at October 17, 2011 10:10 AM (5JUlA)
Posted by: alans at October 17, 2011 10:10 AM (gf3Qi)
Posted by: Vic at October 17, 2011 10:10 AM (M9Ie6)
The very, very wealthy can escape --- how, because Cain's 9-9-9 plan will still permit the use of charitable giving as a deduction.
Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at October 17, 2011 02:05 PM (OWjjx)
Heaven help the US charities if they lose deductability status (and by that I mean actual charities aimed at helping America's poor and disadvantaged, not the BS political organizations). It would be a shame to defund them. That is one of the best and most effective social programs we have. Putting dollars in the hands of private groups that will actually try to help people get on their feet, rather than enslave them to welfare, is a good thing.
I just think we need to be more selective about what is allowed to count as a charity, and givers need to be more selective about which of them they contribute to. If it were up to me, every charity dollar that goes over seas would be taxed at the top rate.
Posted by: Reactionary at October 17, 2011 10:13 AM (xUM1Q)
I went and checked, once. Of the folks who are on Gates' website, it looks like none of them are immediately related to Gates or Buffett. (Though I didn't check on maiden names of the females, so there's that.) Cousins, maybe ... but who builds a foundation to employ your cousins?
Posted by: Meiczyslaw at October 17, 2011 10:14 AM (bjRNS)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 17, 2011 10:20 AM (i9cTu)
I just think we need to be more selective about what is allowed to count as a charity, and givers need to be more selective about which of them they contribute to. If it were up to me, every charity dollar that goes over seas would be taxed at the top rate.
Posted by: Reactionary at October 17, 2011 02:13 PMWe -- at least a lot of those among us who are dissing Cain's tax plan -- also need to look at all the taxes we pay now: Federal "excise" taxes, "temporary" taxes, "fees" (a/k/a taxes) tacked onto utility bills, and on and on. Compared to them, the "9-9-9" package looks like a pretty good deal.
But yes, government also needs to rethink what constitutes "charity," and take a long, hard look at the abuses of the 501-C3 "charitable" organizations.
Oh, and O/T: Just read a part of stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure latest speechifyin' on today's taxpayer-funded campaign trip "listening tour." Yup, no politics involved. None at all. No indeedy. Just straight attacks on those eeeevil Repubs who are blocking the Worker's Paradise Osama Obama intends to create.
Posted by: MrScribbler at October 17, 2011 10:20 AM (YjjrR)
I understand. I just like droppin' knowledge on people.
And, to be fair, the loophole you describe does exist. That Gates doesn't do it gives you an idea of how serious he is about his charity.
Posted by: Meiczyslaw at October 17, 2011 10:22 AM (bjRNS)
166
This is the info I have from 2005 - 2006. Calling something reasonable is not tantamount to support. When the bill was fleshed out he opposed it.
"In a November 2005 interview with the Boston Globe, he described immigration reform proposal advanced by McCain as “reasonable.” He now denounces it as an “amnesty plan.” In December 2006, he signed agreement authorizing state troopers to round up illegal immigrants."
Posted by: Reggie1971 at October 17, 2011 10:25 AM (b68Df)
Squirrel.
Posted by: kansas at October 17, 2011 10:32 AM (mka2b)
Posted by: Rex the Wonder God at October 17, 2011 10:59 AM (vahvH)
Posted by: Learflyer at October 17, 2011 11:15 AM (9vscO)
Critics of 999 seem to mainly take issue w. the idea of a sales tax, but do not seem to consider that, due to its "non-progressive" nature, there will be much less support across the country for raising a broad-based sales tax vice income, cap gains, etc. That's part of the genius of it that I wish Cain would emphasize more.
Posted by: mjhlaw at October 17, 2011 11:35 AM (YQ4mh)
Posted by: Vic at October 17, 2011 11:44 AM (M9Ie6)
The poll is suspect for 2 reasons-
Cain only wins 4% of the AA vote.
We are to believe Cain will get LESS than McCain when other pollsters have given him 8-20%.
Republicans would only break 72% for Cain?
If both of those numbers were brought into line, Cain would lead by 8.
Posted by: CAC at October 17, 2011 11:49 AM (4oZT3)
Perry met Bush at the airport. He did not endorse what Bush said. He never opened his mouth. He seemed too busy scratching his poison ivy chest. Jeebus, man, get a grip.
Posted by: William Barrett Travis at October 17, 2011 11:54 AM (g86v0)
At this point, I'm of the opinion that the tax code monstrosity must be done away with, and I'm not really opposed to a national sales tax as I'd rather tax consumption. Everyone knows that giving the federal government another way to get at my money is a bad idea, but if they mess with the national sales tax rate, they'll mess with the income tax rate and tiers and deductions and credits etc etc. Any tax overhaul that is done, and make no mistake, we desperately need an overhaul, needs to be accompanied by a constitutional amendment. The tax code needs to be depoliticized. And, to my knowledge Cain is the only candidate proposing significant changes to the tax code. And let's not forget that changing the tax code instantly makes us, as a nation, richer as it makes our economy quite a bit more efficient.
Posted by: matt at October 17, 2011 12:12 PM (2WDMC)
Posted by: Bri at October 17, 2011 12:15 PM (hau/E)
Posted by: Sgt. York at October 17, 2011 12:39 PM (9AsIi)
: I'd take other ideas for reforming the system, but implementing an across the board 9% tax on income and removing all deductions, credits, etc. would most certainly be a reform. What other candidate is proposing anything like this?
"There is nothing that can stop a future Congress..."
Yes there is, it happens every two years.
Posted by: mjhlaw at October 17, 2011 01:37 PM (EbHlR)
Posted by: White RB at October 17, 2011 01:59 PM (LrLv1)
Posted by: steevy at October 17, 2011 02:03 PM (fyOgS)
Perry met Bush at the airport. He did not endorse what Bush said. He never opened his mouth. He seemed too busy scratching his poison ivy chest. Jeebus, man, get a grip.
He was there to meet him at the airport, and was just there scratching himself while on camera. Nice shitheaded explanation. Yeah I'm sure he was horrified by what Bush was saying. Dolt
Posted by: Reggie1971 at October 17, 2011 02:33 PM (0DGtF)
185
Excuse me, but it seems that they weren't at the airport at all. They were at the BORDER in Laredo, TX.
Posted by: Reggie1971 at October 17, 2011 02:49 PM (0DGtF)
Posted by: Rescue America ePub at October 17, 2011 10:07 PM (MRIsB)
Posted by: Iris Johansen Bonnie iBooks at October 17, 2011 10:23 PM (MRIsB)
Posted by: The 50 Funniest American Writers ePub at October 17, 2011 10:46 PM (0k6Ac)
we can machining the parts used in Industrial equipments, Marine equipments, Automotive, Shipbuilding, Hydraulic tools, Pumps, Valves, machinery, Medical devices and Home appliances, Petrochemical Equipment, Construction Machinery, Aviation Equipment, Industrial Connector and Communications Equipment.
Posted by: bsdbsn at October 18, 2011 06:54 PM (ACm1b)
Hide Comments | Add Comment | Refresh | Top
64 queries taking 0.2932 seconds, 305 records returned.
Powered by Minx 1.1.6c-pink.
Posted by: Evil Stalin Sub-Tard at October 17, 2011 08:59 AM (0M3AQ)