1 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

2 Does Gardasil treat Wet Foot?  Florida should probably have mandatory vaccinations.

3 Ummm Herman.....

4 I'm off the Cain train but it sure would be nice to know the sitting president's answers to some of these questions.

5 Cain needs to bow out gracefully from the race now...and endorse someone else.  For the good of the party.  He is now officially a distraction.

6 Wet foot/dry foot refers to our odd stance on Cuban refugees: We interdict them if found at sea, on boats, heading towards America, and turn them back ("wet foot"). But if they make our shores, we grant them asylum.

My error.  I understood that to be our Ollie Ollie Oxen Free Policy.

7 If Cain has lost Dennis Miller, he's lost the independents.

8 Posted by: Buzzsaw at November 17, 2011 01:53 PM (tf9Ne)

9 I'm on the Cain train.

10 Who here wouldn't love to see a Gingrich-Obama debate? Shit I'd pay money to see it.

11 I think that Cain's foreign policy bottom is a little foggier than most.

12 Ace = making a strawman argument. I mean, is there anyone here who is still hung ho for Cain?

13 I hereby challenge the mayor of Iowa to a corn-shucking contest!

14 Rick Perry is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable candidate. Okay Ace, you can throw out Cain, but just make sure you have Perry out there too, and for the love of God man, get rid of Mittens!

15 Those Cubans better step carefully. I hate the thought of them tipping America over and getting not just our feet wet but our heads, too.

16 Yeah, Cain is toast. I defended him vociferously against the nebulous harassment allegations, but these latest blunders confirm, for me at least, that this guy, although likable, is just winging it. Can't just wing it in the White House. Well, you can't if you're a Republican.

17 Cuba? Show me the money! Yeah, he was great in that one...

18
I mean, is there anyone here who is still hung ho for Cain?

Maybe one or two people. Maybe.

19

Yup, Cain needs to be better prepared. 

And the junior SCOAMF, Rick Perry, who is campaigning to be a presidential candidate, somehow thinks he should debate Pelosi, who, last I heard, is not president.  I'd like to see Perry get prepared for something.  Anything.

20 Posted by: Buzzsaw at November 17, 2011 01:53 PM (tf9Ne)

I was never on Teh Cain Train in the first place, but I don't know why the RNC or somebody doesn't make an add showing every O'Buttfuck and BiteMe gaffe to expose both of them for the drooling mental-defective fucktards they are.

21 How do you say "toast" in Cuban?

22

Maybe Cain could challenge Nancy Pelosi to a debateÂ…

 

No, that would be a stupid idea.

23
For some inexplicable reason people who were defending Cain against baseless accusations of sexual misconduct were identified as ardent Cain-for-president supporters.

24 This is in fact something any reasonably well-informed citizen would know.

I wish I thought that were so.  I'd bet that before this little hiccup, 9 Congressmen out of 10 didn't know what the policy was.  I'm not defending Cain, though.  He's just clueless. 

25 Eric @ 14
Cain is completely unprepared, isn't making an attempt to become prepared, but Ace is an asshole for pointing it out?

26

 is there anyone here who is still hung ho

I once got arrested with a hung ho in my car.

27  mean, is there anyone here who is still hung ho for Cain?

Maybe one or two people. Maybe.

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 17, 2011 01:56 PM (sqkOB)

Well I'm hung so does that count?

28 How do you say "toast" in Cuban? Cainnada

29
I really don't like to disparriage the nice Republicans in Iowa but these people are stupid assholes. They truly are the shitheads of the GOP. Sorry but it's true.

30 This lack of knowledge displayed by anybody running for President is simply inexcusable.  You would have thunk that at least something coherent about foreign policy would have entered Cain by now, if only by mere osmosis, but thus far, Cain is even failing at that.

31 I'm of the opinion -- after getting off the Cain Train -- that the ticket will be either Gingrich/Perry, or Perry/Gingrich.

The reason I'm always right about these things is because I change my mind as frequently as Romney does.  I just can't spin and non-answer as well.

Cain's a fine person, just not qualified.

32 If Cain doesn't know stuff a presidential candidate should know -- that's a valid criticism. Much different than the sexual innuendos that were floated.

Anybody but Romney.

33 As the head of the National Restaurant Association, you'd think he'd at least know something about immigration policies.  Not so much.

Guess I'll figure out who to support next.  Oh yeah, NOT OBAMA.

34 Herman, come back in four years. Use your time to read a fucking newspaper once in a while!

35 @30
I may have missed it yesterday, Kratos, but what was the topic of your dissertation?

36 OT:  Oooo baby, my 4G upgrade is complete!  I'll have that puppy in my hands tonight!!

Drinks for everyone!

37 Interesting.  Look at what some Romney supporters have cooked up.

38 "Who here wouldn't love to see a Gingrich-Obama debate? Shit I'd pay money to see it."

It will never happen.

Even if Gingrich gets the nomination, Obama will never agree to debate him.

39 The point was to get the letter out. When was the last time Nancy Pelosi debated anyone? And-she isn't going to accept-you think she wants to draw more attention to her Visa IPO deal?

40 Too bad for Cain.  I was for him until I saw that he really could not seriously articulate not only his own policy positions, but also his opponent's.  The GOP nominee needs to be able to tell people what Obama's policies are and what's wrong with them, since God knows Obama himself and the media won't do that work.

That's the primary reason I'm for Newt.  I think he would do that far better than Romney, and I think he could frame the issues in a compelling manner against the media's attempts at deflection and personal destruction.  With Romney, however, I think his record in MA plays right into the current media structure and allows Obama to keep the focus on Romney's similarities, rather than his own failures.

As for the anti-Newt and pro-Romney people, yes, I'd still vote for Romney over teh SCOAMF.  But at this point it is not helpful to tell us how horrible a person Newt is, was, or will be in the absolute.  I know he's as slippery a fuck as any politician, Romney included.  So out of any anti-Newt post, I'd like to see why Newt's problems outweigh Romney's.

41

You know what else is a character flaw? 

 

 Pulling 6% in Iowa in a tie with Bachmann.

42 I think the polls should start putting "Not Romney" as a choice.. all those folks who keep bouncing from one pointless candidate to another, just because they are not Romney, can just pick "Not Romney".

43 Bosk: "Who here wouldn't love to see a Gingrich-Obama debate? Shit I'd pay money to see it."

In an honest world, sure. Alas, we don't have it. First, Obama has to agree to it. Maybe he'll grant one in between putts (and that would be sufficient for the ever-protective MFM.) Second, the questions will be of the sort, "So, Mr. President, just how much do you agree with most Americans that Mr. Gingrich is an awful human being? And a follow-up before you answer: How many times a week do you think he beats his wife?"

The prospect of a debate with Obama and our current media is overblown. Obama will be playing homefield at all times if he is even forced to play at all.

44 Wet foot/dry foot refers to our odd stance on Cuban refugees

Not as odd as our Speedy Gonzales policy on the Mexican border.

45 While Occupy Wall street is in full bloom?

46 Pelosi refused Perry's request today saying she had 3 reasons for doing so, but couldn't remember the third one.

47

Listen up, pukes, IÂ’ve been a true conservative since way back in 1980, when I didnÂ’t vote for Reagan because he was a former Democrat.  So I know a thing or two about litmus tests and weeding out them RINOs.  The only two candidates in this primary season who are pure enough to get my vote is the Herman Cain and Governor Newt Gingrich. 

 

General GingrichÂ’s track record of being a true conservative speaks for itself.  The executive decisions.  Bimbozilla.  The individual mandate for health insurance.  Freddie Mac.  Climate change.  Hop on or step off, RINOs.

 

Likewise Dr. CainÂ’s conservative bona fides canÂ’t be denied.  The pizza.  The soda pop.  The burgers.  The onion rings.  The VAT and sales tax plan.  "Peace through strength and clarity."  Hell, that's the stuff of genius, punks.  Who cares that Dr. Cain wouldn't know Libya from labia or the "right of return" from the Beastie Boys' "right to party."  Y'all are just jealous of Dr. Cain's way with the ladies.  Now these RINOs are nitpicking that Senator Cain doesn't know squat about the wet foot, dry foot policy.  Step off, chumps, they're all wetbacks as far as I'm concerned.   

 

Gingrich-Cain-Cain-Gingrich, Â’12.  The Ebony & Ivory Soap of true conservatism!

48 That article about Romney's staff purchasing 17 hard drives and wiping the server clean as he left office, destroying 5 years of email records that belonged to MA, is disturbing as hell.

Would we accept Obama erasing all his emails when he left office, or Clinton?

This is Nixonian shit, frankly.

Romney is not fit to serve, and this is the first time I have said this.

Yes, go Newt (but I found Romney acceptable prior to this: I don't anymore).

49 If by some miracle Cain has won a few states and is polling well when primary day comes to Texas I'd gladly vote for him, as bad as he is, he still is not-Romney.

50 I may have missed it yesterday, Kratos, but what was the topic of your dissertation?

Protease cleavage of immunologically relevant substrates, pretty much.  I have some corrections to make before I submit my final dissertation form. 

51 Right now, Newt has my vote.

If there was ever a time when we needed someone in the WH who knows HOW THE HELL THINGS WORK in Washington, it is now.  We don't need someone to go in a naively pretend they can re-invent the system.  We need someone who can MAKE THE SYSTEM WORK.

Newt is the only debater who I can watch without cringing internally that he is on the brink of sheer stupidity at any moment.  I enjoyed reading Newt's commentary about his new front-runner status.  He basically said, just watch me over the next few weeks.  If I make an ass of myself you'll know I wasn't ready.  If I shine, you'll know I was.

Go Newt!

P.S., A Gingrich/Romney ticket would be formidable.  I understand the men are friends and Newt has committed to not attacking Romney directly but going after Obama.  If he can stick with that, they could make a great team.

BTW, Romney is young enough to put in 8 years as POTUS after Newt is done.  16 years conservative rule.  We may be saved after all.

52
I'm test driving my new candidate rating system.

Rick Perry: Upgraded from Sell to Buy
Herman Cain: Sell
Mitt Romney: Neutral
Knüte: Neutral

Gov Perry is moving in the right direction. He's getting more comfortable and it shows.

53 More room on the Perry train!

54 29
I really don't like to disparriage the nice Republicans in Iowa but these people are stupid assholes. They truly are the shitheads of the GOP. Sorry but it's true.

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 17, 2011 02:00 PM (sqkOB)

And I think the Republicans in whatever state you are in are assholes.  That's just the way it is, sorry.

55 I heard an analysis last night that polls are absolutely worthless in Iowa.

The caucuses are unlike any other form of election.  Without an organization on the ground, and without a Gingrich representative in each of those caucus sites, Newt doesn't get jack squat in Iowa.

56 Coulter is very much anti-newt.  I do respect her vast and intimate  experience fighting the DC establishment over my own.  This is her solid article:

" IF NOT ROMNEY, WHO? IF NOT NOW, WHEN?"

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=47570

57 donÂ’t get mad at me Hey, I donÂ’t know about others, but these are facts and important policy issues. These arenÂ’t the things I get mad/concerned about. These are things I want to be part of the discussion. (ItÂ’s when you buy into vaguely sourced or completely un-sourced speculation by a media whose bias you complain about regularly, that I wonder what medicine youÂ’ve chosen not to take.) All of the candidates currently suck. Some suck worse than others, and some have their uses even if they arenÂ’t going to get the nomination. CainÂ’s 9-9-9 plan was a bad idea compared to everything except the current tax code, but during CainÂ’s ascendancy it did mean other candidates had to start talking up their own plans for simplifying or replacing the tax code.

58 Wet foot/dry foot refers to our odd stance on Cuban refugees

I thought it was hay foot / straw foot...

59 How do you say "toast" in Cuban?

"Castro."

60 Obama-Gingrich? **** You're going to have to spend some of the time reliving the Clinton Impeachment and Gingrich will have to defend hypocrisy-and we'll be on a subject that involves SEX so the half life on that will be twice the unsexy like Solyndra LightSquared the economy.... And the MSM will be there to make sure the focal point stays on the sexy... And Gingrich loses sexy... Plus he won't be able to do the country club-"I don't want to attack act he's been doing to this point..."

61 @53 Gonna be hard unless they get it back on the tracks.

62 What is really sad about Cain is that he's a self-made, successful man.  I want to like him and support him wholeheartedly, but virtually everything him and his campaign have done for the past 2 months has made clear that he's not suitable for the Top Job.  This isn't the time for another amateur hour at the White House.

63
**Alert**
Ratings Change

Newt: downgraded from Neutral to Sell

News of his Fannie Mae lobbying will hurt him sharply in polls to come.

64 This is Nixonian shit, frankly.

It's like the missing minutes in the Nixon tapes.  It stinks like week old fish.

65 Sniff Sometimes you rethugiKKKants make me proud to be a democrat OT: congrats Dr. K!!

66 48 That article about Romney's staff purchasing 17 hard drives and wiping the server clean as he left office, destroying 5 years of email records that belonged to MA, is disturbing as hell.

Would we accept Obama erasing all his emails when he left office, or Clinton?

This is Nixonian shit, frankly.

Romney is not fit to serve, and this is the first time I have said this.

Yes, go Newt (but I found Romney acceptable prior to this: I don't anymore).
Thanks, Moby.    Yeah, I actually find myself warming to Romney a little over this.

67 I hear ( read? ) the things you are saying. Problem is, reality keeps encroaching.

I see what you're saying about what "ought" to be, but I look around and see what "is" and they don't seem to match up.  I'm not saying this won't change, and maybe you are an oracle of all things political, but... I'm just not seeing people in general (not blog hangers-on) reacting the way you seem to think they are (should?) react. Maybe the MSM's big push for Newt will turn out to have him as our failure of a nominee, but right now? Not so much.

Disclaimer: could care less who wins the nomination. Well, except Romney. Other than that, you could nominate Perry's famous painted-over rock, or a random sack of hammers and I would vote for that over Obama. Your losers are Newt and Bachmann, even though I would vote for them they would probably lose the general. And Romney v. Obama is the same thing as Obama v. Obama, so I wouldn't even care at that point.

68 That article about Romney's staff purchasing 17 hard drives and wiping the server clean as he left office, destroying 5 years of email records that belonged to MA, is disturbing as hell.

Would we accept Obama erasing all his emails when he left office, or Clinton?

This is Nixonian shit, frankly.

Romney is not fit to serve, and this is the first time I have said this.

Yes, go Newt (but I found Romney acceptable prior to this: I don't anymore).
Posted by: Random
.........
Thanks for your concern, Mr Troll.  Duly noted...

And for your info (and you may not have hear this back at your Daily Kos home) Clinton's staff left the computers, network and printers unusable and trashed when he transitioned over to Bush.

69 Yeah, reading about Newt sucking at the teat of Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac just reminded me of all the reasons Newt isn't fit for high office.

70 The people in Iowa are obviously not paying attention or they are fucking idiots.   Cain is finished. Newt is the next to go down now that the details of his record since leaving office are coming out.  We don't even need to belabor the point.   It's Romney.  Learn to love it because we need all hands on deck for this motherfucker of an election.  It is going to be very ugly.

71 Pelosi refused Perry's request today saying she had 3 reasons for doing so, but couldn't remember the third one.

The first two were that she is stupid and that she is a liar.

72 It's a complicated question clearly.


Oh, and Viva Fidel!

73 So out of any anti-Newt post, I'd like to see why Newt's problems outweigh Romney's.

Newt has tons of baggage, isn't nearly as likeable, and frankly isn't as good looking or tall.  Are the latter reasons ridiculous?  Of course they are, but guess what, so is People magazine and worrying about Kim Kardashian, and lots of people, millions of them, do just that. 

Newt is a hell of a debater, no question, but Romney is no slouch either.  Since so many here have spent the last 2 months dismissing the importance of debate performances, I wonder if they understand that winning debates is a necessary, but not sufficient, condition for winning the presidency. 

If Newt gets the nom, I'll support him enthusiastically, but I really doubt he can win against Obama.  He's too blunt and hard-edged, and a large chunk of the population, especially women, don't like that.

74 News of his Fannie Mae lobbying will hurt him sharply in polls to come.

Newt consulted for Fannie Mae, he did not lobby on their behalf.  HUGE difference.

75 Newt will not get the nomination. Sadly I think it will be Romney.I really preferred Perry but I will vote for whoever gets the nomination. Four more years of Obama is too horrible to even contemplate.

76 It's Romney.

HOLD   FAST

77 Boy, the trolls are out in force today!

Ya think kos sent them over since their little Wall St dance bombed out so bad?  "Tens of thousands will turn out!".. yeah.. more like a couple hundred bums...

78 50 I may have missed it yesterday, Kratos, but what was the topic of your dissertation?

Protease cleavage of immunologically relevant substrates, pretty much.  I have some corrections to make before I submit my final dissertation form. 
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at November 17, 2011 02:04 PM (9hSKh)

Call it a movie review, email it to Ace, and he'll publish it here for you in full. Acid-free paper not required.

79 Posted by: Random at November 17, 2011 02:03 PM (t/OGt)

Huckabee did the same thing and nobody seemed to care.

80 And for your info (and you may not have hear this back at your Daily Kos home) Clinton's staff left the computers, network and printers unusable and trashed when he transitioned over to Bush.

I'm not sure "No More Corrupt Than Clinton" is the battle cry we're looking for.

81 Dance on graves much?

82 BTW, Romney is young enough to put in 8 years as POTUS after Newt is done.  16 years conservative rule.  We may be saved after all.

Posted by: Bill Mitchell at November 17, 2011 02:04 PM (uVlA4)

haha-fucking-ha

83
HUGE difference.


He still got paid millions, ya?

84 What matters is- ethanol subsidies!

85 @74 A difference without any meaningful distinction.

86 Wow, Derbyshire was right about Cain from the beginning. Kudos to him.

87
I'll, however, concede the semantic difference, Bill.

88 His campaign kept reporters at bay, and when asked about the Cuban Adjustment Act and the so-called wet-foot, dry-foot policy, Cain seemed stumped.

If there are Cubans who need adjusting, they should get it at home.  The hard-earned money of American taxpayers should not be used to make adjustments in foreigners.

89 Thanks much ncj!  Except I'm not an MD - those are the true "Drs.", . 

Back on topic, Cain...retorts like this aren't going to help your lack of basic knowledge that are so crippling to your campaign:

Cain: ‘We Need A Leader, Not A Reader’

90

But.....he has people to advise him about shit like that. He'll get back to us on it....when he has a chance to find out what he's supposed to say.

91 We need someone who can MAKE THE SYSTEM WORK.

No.  The system doesn't work.  It is fatally flawed.  The very fact that ObamaCare could be passed, AND that we're unsure of the outcome when it gets to SCOTUS should tell us that.  It cannot work as it is currently structured- it is designed only to separate you from more of your liberty. 

I like Newt better than Romney, so if Perry isn't a choice when the Primary comes to Texas, and Newt is, I'll vote Newt.  But the fact is that Newt is a product of Washington Politics, and his general ideas are still top-down: even if they're better top-down ideas than Democrats have.

If Rick Perry gets elected (I know, I know: "fat chance."), and if he really pursues his goals of making Washington smaller, and less consequential in your life, he won't succeed.  But, in trying, he may make progress- which is more than can be said of anyone since (and perhaps including) Reagan.

92

Protease cleavage of immunologically relevant substrates, pretty much. I have some corrections to make before I submit my final dissertation form.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at November 17, 2011 02:04 PM (9hSKh)
-- -- -- -- -- -- --

You had me at "cleavage."

93

I mean, is there anyone here who is still hung ho for Cain?

Nope. They've all left.  Hear that sound whenever Ace starts another obsessive 'Crush the Vermin' post?  It's the sound of one hand clapping.

94 Newt is the next to go down now that the details of his record since leaving office are coming out.

 Newt got hired to advise Fannie/Freddie and they didn't listen and look what happened? How does this hurt him? Unless there's evidence to the contrary?

95 But the point is, like "Right of Return," this is no frigging obscure point of foreign policy

Well they're both obscure, but ought not be to a presidential candidate. Still, its amusing to watch you kick Cain again, its almost pathological with you isn't it?

96 >>>Rick Perry: Upgraded from Sell to Buy Please forward us your resume.

97 78 Posted by: easily gulled rube at November 17, 2011 02:10 PM (UzjcV)

I'm swearing off (and at) sock puppets for the rest of today.

98

Cain: ‘We Need A Leader, Not A Reader’

 

What'cha Readin' for?

99 We picked Bachmann in the straw -poll and we picked Huckabee last Presidential caucus! Winning!

100

Jesus Christ, the man doesn't even know the wet foot, dry foot policy.

Come one. This is getting ridiculous. I know Americans tend to know very little about foreign affairs, but this is just insane. He seems to know nothing

101 If an idiot is on the ballot, hopefully he will be our idiot.

102 I am learnin' Cuban right now so I can speak to the wetbacks while they are still at sea.

103

The top 3 finishers in Iowa will be the finalists for the nomination, regardless of who they are.

Vote your candidate in the primary, vote GOP in the general.

104 Thanks to the MSM you guys can't stop looking at our polls!

105 The MFM is already starting to remind people why they disliked Newt and his turn at the top will likely only last a few weeks.

106
I'm beginning to doubt Herman Cain watches the news.

107 Barack always reads me some of his favorite Urdu Poetry when he tucks me in for my afternoon nap.

108 Ya think kos sent them over since their little Wall St dance bombed out so bad?

Hey, yeah, what happened with that? They were going to shut down the nation or something, at least according to that Stalinist poster.

109 If there are Cubans who need adjusting, they should get it at home.  The hard-earned money of American taxpayers should not be used to make adjustments in foreigners.

No chiropractics for Cubans!

110 Oh and Michael Savage is off the Cain Train as well. Not that anyone cares as Savage is a nut.

111

And the other states picked McCain in 2008. 

Winning!

112 We need a leader, not a reader?????!!!!  IS HE TRYING TO FUCKING KILL US!!!????  PRIMARY THIS FUCKING CLOWN, NOT ONLY SHOULDN'T HE BE PRESIDENT, HE SHOULD BE THROWN OUT OF CONGRESS!!!  He is reinforcing all of the negative stereotypes the left throws at us all the time. This shit needs to stop.  Prominent Conservatives need to tell him to quit tomorrow.  What a fucking embarrassment.

113 @94 At this point in history, there is no justification, none at all, for Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac to pay Newt 1.8 million taxpayer dollars for consultation. None. Period. Newt's just another in a long line of trough slurping political pigs. I don't care how smart you think he is, nothing he had to say was worth 1.8 million tax dollars. And he knows it too.

114 @philipaklein Waxman to GOP: "Stop dancing on Solyndra's grave. They're trying to manufacture a scandal."

115 Look guys Your candidates suck How about I give up my run here and run for the prez? The only subsidies I'll grant is for hookers and blow jimmy choo heels I'll put a bullet in all prisoners with a life sentence to clear out the jails I'll make it so only women under a size 6 wear spandex And Iran will be a glass parking lot

116
um, Ken?

117 Protease cleavage of immunologically relevant substrates, pretty much.  I have some corrections to make before I submit my final dissertation form. 
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at November 17, 2011 02:04 PM (9hSKh)

I've spent my week listening to talks that sound an awful lot like that.  It's a very interesting area and one which should do well in the next decades.  Congrats, and nice positioning. 

118 Unless there's evidence to the contrary?
Posted by: John, Paul, George, and Nixon
.........
I heard a news report last night of somone who was with Fannie/Freddie back then who says that was not what Newt was advising them back then.  We'll have to wait and see some hard evidence, though.

If I was making 1.6 million, I would tell the SOB's whatever they wanted to hear!

119

Coffee Enema / Vitamin 'D' :  2012!

120

I can't believe that there is a chance I will be voting for Mitt Romney in the primaries to prevent a worse candidate from winning.

 

 

121 Did I see this link here yesterday?  Anyway, can we print this up and mail it to every leftists, welfare/entitlement taker, bureaucrat, and democrat politician?  (I realize most people will overlap... they sound like, they need multiple copies!)

http://www.justfacts.com/nationaldebt.asp

National DebtcCurrently:

• $48,445 for every person living in the U.S.

• $127,379 for every household in the U.S.

• $318,447 for every U.S. household that pays more in federal taxes than they receive in benefits from the federal government

Future promised entitlements

• $182,914 for every person living in the U.S.

• $480,949 for every household in the U.S.

• $1,202,373 for every U.S. household that pays more in federal taxes than they receive in benefits from the federal government.

Of course none of this will ever be repaid or even collected.  What matters is that the FED now owns more debt then China.  Printing press is buying/enabling government debt!  This only ends one way,  CURRENCY CRISIS!

122 And the other states picked McCain in 2008 Cross out the Mc and keep the- Cain! Save those bumper stickers!

123

There are still some of us who have the 'throw the bums out' mentality.  Sometimes you really need to look a little deeper into what that means.  Here's a hint:  Someone who knows a little about something, knows just enough to get them into trouble.  Someone who knows nothing about something, doesn't trust his own judgement on an issue and seeks out expert advice.

The reason this country is in so much trouble is that we have a lot of people who think they know enough to make the decisions.  Do you really think the CEO of a business knows best how to deal with the little issues that go on miles below him?  No, he doesn't, however, if he is a good CEO he knows whom to put in charge with dealing with those issues.

Hence we have:

Cain:  The true CEO, and how I'd want my business ran.

Mitt:  Who thinks he can fix everything, essentially someone who knows a little about everything, the kind of CEO that might do alright if there are enough moving parts so that his good and bad decisions can average out.

Newt:  As smart as they come, but you are looking at a conservative Jimmy Carter, meaning there will be large mistakes made in some aspect of his administration because he thinks he knows best.  However, as it is a conservative Jimmy Carter, for the most part things will run in the right direction.

Perry:  Strikes me as similar to Cain, except not the go-getter, meaning that the actual CEO won't be Perry but some other person who runs the show from behind.  More of a figurehead, doesn't make the decisions but actually is the mouthpiece of the true CEO, I'm wondering who that will be.

124 Posted by: Navycopjoe
......
You had me at the spandex thing.. you got my vote!

125 Posted by: Navycopjoe at November 17, 2011 02:16 PM (gOCC3)

I find your ideas intriguing and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

126

You had me at "cleavage."

Cleavage is life.  It's all up to you how you interpret that phrase. 

127

Western World headed over fiscal cliff - check

Middle East being taken over by Islamists - check

UnConstitutional Congress Committee failing in epic fashion - check

Filthy Hippies & Hobos being coddled and glorified - check

 

but forget all that, the most important thing is eliminating every non-establishment GOP canidate.

the Global Socialist Elite must be protected!!!

 

128 Herman Cain: a 65 year-old political talk show host who knows fuck-all about jack shit. True. Conservative.

129 Either way, you are going to hear it.

A lot. Especially in Florida.  Sheesh.

130 Occupy LA Live

http://tinyurl.com/3qvhkjy

131 Look guys
Your candidates suck
How about I give up my run here and run for the prez?
The only subsidies I'll grant is for hookers and blow jimmy choo heels
I'll put a bullet in all prisoners with a life sentence to clear out the jails
I'll make it so only women under a size 6 wear spandex
And Iran will be a glass parking lot

Posted by: Navycopjoe at November 17, 2011 02:16 PM (gOCC3)

I'd vote for ya. You're better than the current lot of people who are worse than the ham sandwich that would win in a landslide against Obama

132 MILLER: Listen, Billy. How do you even know when a penguin is gay? Is their corner of the penguin habitat inordinately tasteful? Is it well done?

Amazing what turns a conversation with Miller will take.  I think the only part of O'Reilly's show that I care about is the "Miller Time" segment.

133 Let the flames begin.

134 Of course none of this will ever be repaid or even collected.  What matters is that the FED now owns more debt then China.  Printing press is buying/enabling government debt!

I have a whole bag of shhh! with your name on it.

135

Ace, I was never upset about the "Cain-bashing" from you per se. You are absolutely correct to point out that Cain doesn't have the political acumen, or quite frankly the awaremess, that our candidate needs to succeed in 2012. Some of his answers have been downright scary. I never have a problem with constructive criticism of any candidate.

But, again, the whole sexual harrassment thing had (IMO) the hallmarks of a leftie/MSM smear job, and I thought it was wrong to stomp Cain with it until more facts came out. That's all.

Other than that, bash away.....

136 And I just don't trust Ras right now.

137

>>>For some inexplicable reason people who were defending Cain against baseless accusations of sexual misconduct were identified as ardent Cain-for-president supporters.

Yeah, and think we'll hear our apologies about the same time we get our Blegging thank-yous.

138 I'm not convinced that Newt is actually any more conservative than Romney. Newt talks a good game, but he has a long history of stabbing his principles in the back, i.e. term limits, individual mandate, Ryan plan, etc.

139 So far the argument against Newt, for Romney, seems to be that Newt

1) Is not appreciably more conservative in policy than Romney

2) Has more personal baggage than Romney

3) Does not come across as likeable.

and that his debating prowess is not enough to overcome these deficits.

Ok, I think I can buy that argument.  I do agree that PR does make a difference.  But I still really wish that Romney would do something besides act like heir apparent.  I know it's smart politics for him to stay silent, and I will accept it if he is the nominee, but I'd kind of like him to earn it since I want to make sure that he knows the pressure is on him to perform.  I think Ace posted a couple of days ago saying that he thought that Romney would bow to the base if we pressed him enough, and that's part of the reason I still support Newt right now...he's actually saying what needs to be said and doing it well.  No one can deny that.  And that is an important thing to be able to do in the face of the media distraction industry.  If in the next couple of debates Romney had one or two devastating takedowns of Liberal question framing and/or talking points, I think I'd switch. 

140 Not a Newt fan, but I WILL vote for him if he becomes the nominee. Same with Perry.

Won't vote for either of them in the primaries though.

And I won't vote for Romney under any circumstances.

141 Newt talks a good game, but he has a long history of stabbing his principles in the back, i.e. term limits, individual mandate, Ryan plan, etc.

Why, whatever do you mean?

142 Protease cleavage of immunologically relevant substrates What, are you funded by Big Cleavage or something? Good product placement, I say.

143 Let's see AtC as my vice prez Ace as my press guy Rum as my sec of defense Kratos can have state And nam grunt as the white house cook

144 Oh mother of Gaia Rasmussen now makes you pay to see the sample size and/or the Margin of Error. What a gig that guy has going. Seriously there has been a push to make that unethical but instead Rasmussen moves to less transparency. unreal.

145 You know what else is a character flaw? Pulling 6% in Iowa in a tie with Bachmann. I say going to Iowa and speaking the truth on ethanol takes character.

146 123 There are still some of us who have the 'throw the bums out' mentality.  Sometimes you really need to look a little deeper into what that means.  Here's a hint:  Someone who knows a little about something, knows just enough to get them into trouble.  Someone who knows nothing about something, doesn't trust his own judgement on an issue and seeks out expert advice.

See Kennedy, John Fitzgerald

147 Kratos (Ghost of Sparta): "Protease cleavage of immunologically relevant substrates, pretty much. I have some corrections to make before I submit my final dissertation form."

Marmo: "You had me at 'cleavage.'"

You had me at "protease."

148

You don't have to fall in love, you just have to fall in line.

There, I just gave you Romney's extremely successful campaign strategy.

The genius of it was arranging such a crappy slate of opponents.

149 Reporter: "Mr. Cain, what are your views regarding Beirut?" Cain: "Beirut!? That mofo ain't shit! Hank Aaron done hit more homeruns than him!". And yes, I denounce myself.

150 Angelenos cannot be happy.  The 110 freeway is getting backed up and it's not even noon.  People are gonna get run over.  I. Can't. Wait.

151 @145 I agree. Corn farmers are just as bad as that fat, ghetto, welfare queen collecting those AFDC checks for her 6 kids by 6 different daddies.

152 Protease cleavage of immunologically relevant substrates, [Nods sagely] So that has something to do with cells, right?

153 Damnit, don't make me put my Mittens on!

154 136 And I just don't trust Ras right now. Posted by: Vic at November 17, 2011 02:22 PM **** That ......-seriously since when did he move to hiding the MOE? That's recent isn't it-and it should be a good indication he's getting even more "junky".

155

I say going to Iowa and speaking the truth on ethanol takes character.

If you don't want to be President, its cheaper and easier just to stay home.

156 I have about reached the point where I don't give a shit anymore, and I ain't the damn honey badger. We have a Republican House that makes "deals" and is ready to raise taxes.

We have a President who not only doesn't follow the law but he "invents" it and has no opposition form congress.

I am about ready to abandon all the corrupt bastards and move to Galt's Gulch.

157 Perry: Strikes me as similar to Cain, except not the go-getter, meaning that the actual CEO won't be Perry but some other person who runs the show from behind. More of a figurehead, doesn't make the decisions but actually is the mouthpiece of the true CEO, I'm wondering who that will be. If we can piss on Cheney's sparkplug and get him to run things from the bunker all would be well.

158

Sure hope Newtie makes it! Then we should have 3 categories on the ballot:

__Obama

__Newtie

__Neither

159 Don't get taken in by ncj's sweet talk! He'll officially declare the Cubbies "America's Team", and send federal "stimulus" funds to them so they can buy up all the top players.

And when that still doesn't work, he'll simply decree them World Series Champs.

160 Newt talks a good game, but he has a long history of stabbing his principles in the back

Principles are just speed bumps on the highway to success.

161

the Global Socialist Elite must be protected!!!

 Posted by: shoey at November 17, 2011 02:19 PM (jdOk/)

Sure, that is the sole purpose of this aoshq. Didnt you know?

162 Bloomberg could take a lesson from LAPD. 

I can't believe I said that....

163 I've been working on getting the nomination for 4 years and all I've got to show for it is less than 1/3 of the Republicans behind me.
WINNING!

164 I liked what the new Prime Minister of Italy said the other day (Prime Minister Mario Monti) - he vowed he would name only non-politicians to all government positions. 

Now, if any one of our republican candidates made a similar pledge, they would have my vote.

165 Protease cleavage of immunologically relevant substrates,

[Nods sagely] So that has something to do with cells, right?

Posted by: joncelli, who didn't like biology much at November 17, 2011 02:26 PM (RD7QR)

And handcuffs.

166 159. Apparently I need to pick a AG to deal with the heathens and open the camps

167

117 Protease cleavage of immunologically relevant substrates,

Yeay! Cleavage!

168 Cain's out. I wish Perry were a better candidate. Paul has a 'crazy uncle in the basement' vibe. Bachmann is starting to look desperate in her ads and interviews ("Like me! LIKE ME!"). Huntsman has nice neckties, but that's it. Romney is all over the place, but I still want to believe in him. Newt is the intellectual heavyweight, but he has a funny name. The President of the United States should not have a funny name. He's got the brains and the smarts to be President, but he is a ripe target for the media attack machine, which needs to make Newt a villain in the eyes of the millions of voters who happen to be stupid.

169 So RCP published the sample size. 700 LV...but they could refer to the caucus process How exactly you poll for that is... "magical".

170 I hope the GOP can find its ass.  I mean, they've only been given a flashlight, compass, GPS, and a 3 year head-start.  If salamander or romneycare win out, I'm gonna be forced to vote Obama.  At least he'll fuck up things up so bad that the democrats won't win an election for decades...

171 "Self-absorption"? Gee, that wouldn't also describe Obama, eh?

172

Is Newt Gingrich electable?

Can Newt somehow fix all of his issues, real or perceived, in the minds of the voters? I still like Cain and Perry, and I see them stumbling in ways that seem particularly damaging. Part of the problem is the MBM, but even so, each candidate has internal flaws ... and the MBM manages to find them.

I think that Newt has more than enough skill to spank all journalists / reporters / talking heads for the remainder of the campaign, but, rightly or wrongly, very many people remember Newt unfavorably. Can Newt fix this perception problem?

I'll get behind the R nominee, even Romney, but I have only 1 vote. Another 54 million are needed ... and this requires an electable candidate.

Is Newt Gingrich electable?

173 @164 I don't think your idea of "non-politicians" and Monti's are quite the same.

174 I'm so tired of posts on polls --and debates.  Bring on the damn primary elections!

175

Is Newt Gingrich electable?

Posted by: Arbalest
......
No.

176 @168 A president shouldn't have a funny name? You mean like Barack Hussein Obama? Just 7 years after 9/11 too. This country is fucked up.

177
Grover Cleveland's first name was Stephen.

178 Cain is in Florida? What the hell is that all about? He's been avoiding ALL early primary states like the plague.

I mean, he's really, really serious about running for the GOP nomination so long as he doesn't have to visit Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina, Nevada or Florida.

Only about 18 weeks until the True Conservative Cain endorses Romney, which will happen by March 31, 2012.

179 Romney was caught flat footed by questions in 08, about like Perry not as bad as Palin/Cain.  For all the flaws of the Republican "next in line" habit, it does have the advantage of the guy had a practice run and then 4 years to process and develop.

180 I've never heard of this wet foot dry foot policy; however, just by the name it is pretty obvious what it means.

181
Stephen Hussein Grover Cleveland

182 Vic: "I am about ready to abandon all the corrupt bastards and move to Galt's Gulch."

Galt's Gulch is going to be a buzzing metropolis at this rate. I think it'll be called "Texas."

183 I really don't like to disparriage the nice Republicans in Iowa but these people are stupid assholes. They truly are the shitheads of the GOP. Sorry but it's true.

It's not that all Iowans are stupid, it's that the way the caucus is set up in Iowa is corrupt and stupid. So yeah, the GOP in Iowa is stupid, but not necessarily GOP voters.

Convert it to a primary, and do away with caucuses entirely.

184 173 @164

I don't think your idea of "non-politicians" and Monti's are quite the same.

Posted by: 1/1027th of a Janitor at November 17, 2011 02:32 PM (tazG1)

---

Prolly not, but my point is that no one running right now will, if elected, do what needs to be done.  Unfortunately, our kids and grandkids will have to pay the price.  And that's very sad to contemplate.

185 Romney is not going to want Cain's endorsement.

186
I like Steve King.

187

The President of the United States should not have a funny name. He's got the brains and the smarts to be President, but he is a ripe target for the media attack machine, which needs to make Newt a villain in the eyes of the millions of voters who happen to be stupid.

I concur!

188 Whew. It's a good thing I'm not running!

189 Gingrich/Perry or Gingrich/Romney - I gotta admit, a Biden v. Perry VP debate would be entertaining.

190

Completely off-topic, but it gave me a woody so I had to link it.

Pentagon successfully tests hypersonic flying bomb

http://tinyurl.com/7err8ol

191 http://is.gd/UUQ3Kk

The link above is to Legal Insurrection.  Prof. Jacobson has posted some unflattering things about Mitt, and has been getting slammed by Romneybots.  A commenter thought that maybe some of the Romneybots were really Obamabots, due to the fact that they want Romney to be the nominee, as he would be easiest for Obama to beat!

Weasel Zipper had an article saying that Perry is having trouble getting donations.  We have to support him.

192

@172,

Against Obama this time and Obamacare, I think any of these candidates are electable, except for Paul and Romney.  In both of those cases you'd have a lot of the GOP sitting out or seeking a third party.  Paul, just because he would scare too many of them, and Romney because he facillitated Obamacare. 

 

It's all moot anyhow.  With the Supremes taking up the Health Care law there will only be two outcomes.  The most likely is that they uphold it and the nation becomes inflamed and the Republicans, no matter who they are, are swept to complete power status in DC. 

193 Sounds like somebody is on purpose or by ignorance unaware of the massive amount of record general property destruction by the Clinton White House.

Vince Foster

About Obama, really, you want to get into a guy that is super open with records?  Everything from his years to show a birth certificate, still sealed college writings (thanks to one Elena Kagan),  massive outright illegal behavior blocking release of information related to matters like solyndra.

Good thing those Kos "concerned conservative" sociopath trolls are so easy to spot.

194 138 I'm not convinced that Newt is actually any more conservative than Romney. Newt talks a good game, but he has a long history of stabbing his principles in the back, i.e. term limits, individual mandate, Ryan plan, etc.

I posted some time ago that Newt would be OK as long as he had a VP to "keep him honest".
As ignorant as Cain is about world affairs, Cain would do that.
Perry might.

If Newt won and selected Romney or vice versa -- gawd help us all.

195 I'm with Perry, but Newt is an acceptable compromise.  He stretches my ability to bend, but he's tolerable.

Romney isn't, even without the latest scandal (which isn't the first, but we won't hear much about Romney's scandals until we're stupid enough to nominate him).

So, Perry >>> Newt >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Santorum, Bachmann, Cain >>>>> [insert 500 greater than symbols]
>>>>>> Romney >>>>> Obama

196 Perry: Strikes me as similar to Cain, except not the go-getter, meaning that the actual CEO won't be Perry but some other person who runs the show from behind. More of a figurehead, doesn't make the decisions but actually is the mouthpiece of the true CEO, I'm wondering who that will be. Posted by: doug at November 17, 2011 02:17 PM (gUGI6) Wow, you actually think someone chose Perry as the MOUTHPIECE?

197 Here's a question:  Newt's main problems are lack of conservative bona fides and PR unfriendliness.  As far as I can see, Romney shares the former, but is fine on the latter.

Would we be happy with a Romney/Gingrich ticket, with Newt as the attack dog?

Would there be any benefit to a Gingich/Romney ticket?  I doubt it, but myabe someone thinks so.

Or would we want an actual conservative VP pick?  If so, who would that be?

198 The money men running away could be the final nail in Perry's coffin. One thing he had going for him was cash to burn; when that goes, he hasn't got much left. I'm using a cranial impact method to talk myself into supporting Romney: Every time I think about President Obama's second term, I slam my head into a desk. I'll have major brain damage by the time Super Tuesday rolls around but I'll be ready to support Mitt.

199 Weasel Zipper had an article saying that Perry is having trouble getting donations.  We have to support him.

Posted by: chillin the most for Perry at November 17, 2011 02:42 PM (6IV8T)

considering his polls, wouldn't that be considered throwing good money after bad as everyone make it clear at the beginning of the year that it was all about electability?

200 30 This lack of knowledge displayed by anybody running for President is simply inexcusable.  You would have thunk that at least something coherent about foreign policy would have entered Cain by now, if only by mere osmosis, but thus far, Cain is even failing at that.

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at November 17, 2011 02:00 PM (9hSKh)

Don't forget that this is they guy who was on the radio for how many hours in one of them states just north of Florida supposedly talking about conservative issues. Every year there is at least a few stories about refugees and asylum seekers from Cuba and Cain didn't read one of them?

I kept saying to those jumping on the Cain Train: If he is so unprepared and gaffe-tastic now, when everyone is paying attention, just what do you think he said when he was on the radio when relatively no one was paying attention? Was is all weather reports, Aunt Em's Chocolate Cake recipe and restaurant reports? That was going to be a fish-in-barrel gold mine for the Dems.

201 Ok, I can see that any match up of Newt and Mitt is bad news.

Whom could each pick in order to shore up their weaknesses?

202 And for your info (and you may not have hear this back at your Daily Kos home) Clinton's staff left the computers, network and printers unusable and trashed when he transitioned over to Bush.

I know this, and that was childish and criminal, but there's a big difference between some staff vandalism and the legally required to be archived data. Nixon's erasing part of his secretly recorded tapes was a major issue, and deleting all the emails from your administration for 5 years is a bigger issue.

It shows a lack of character, and more of a concern with Romney's political future than with the rightful intellectual property of the citizens of Massachusetts.

203 I just hope that, should Newt get the nom, he doesn't pick Cain in the effort to shore up the conservative vote. Which I fear he will do, unless Cain craters faster than he is.

204 53 More room on the Perry train! Posted by: Joffen at November 17, 2011 02:04 PM (zLeKL) Actually, it's the Perry Ferry.

205 We really can't pick a guy as VP that is so old that we lose the incumbency factor. It would be nice to get a guy with a good resume, with a life expectancy over 10 years and from a state with more than 2 electoral votes..

206 Alert, alert.  Human Mic Check, OWS. 

Chanting: This is what a police state looks like.

Guess they haven't been to North Korea lately.

207 This is all very interesting and worthy of further debate, but remember this: it's either get ______________ elected, or face 4 more years of President Golfpants. And after 4 more years of President Golfpants, we can change our name to "France".

208 Mitt will have to pick a conservative trueblood in the hope that it will make the base enthusiastic. I don't know who that is right now, but it surely won't be any of the other candidates. If the base wasn't enthusiastic enough about any of them to rally around them to beat Romney, then adding them to the veep slot won't do him much good.

209 Cain's a fucking arrogant dunce. And he knows how to do "gotcha," for sure, when he's on a bidness trip, and the lady is a blonde. Get him off the stage right now. He is doing irreparable harm to the brand.

210 In front of the Dept. of Education.  You can't make this shit up.

211 I just hope that, should Newt get the nom, he doesn't pick Cain in the effort to shore up the conservative vote.

Which I fear he will do, unless Cain craters faster than he is.

Posted by: elizabethe at November 17, 2011 02:51 PM (hCc/i)

I hope Newt knows that he simply has to pick a Governor, considering his own lack of executive experience.

212 what news channel has live coverage of the insurrection?

213 Actually it's the Perry C-130 and we drop some tanks from it right over- Obamaland.

214 srsly mpfs, in D.C. they are going to the Key Bridge to protest money being taken away from infrastructure. From Huffpo on OWS: "The crowd vented its frustrations about K-12 education" I guess they're upset they didn't get one.

215 FNC seems to be ignoring it

216 I would say Gingrich/Rubio, but I would hate to see Marco get dragged down by some sort of Gingrich implosion.  Gingrich/Christie would be all sorts of awesome (actual policy aside), for the sheer mountains of MSM/union destruction that would result.

217 Cain: ‘We Need A Leader, Not A Reader’

Except if it's foreign policy, then we need an evader, deflecter  and delayer.

218 ok CNN has it- let's hope the cops dispense some free 'wood shampoos' to the lawbreakers

219

"Hey, don't get mad at me. You're either going to hear this now from conservative agitators or you're going to hear this like gangbusters in August 2012 from liberal agitators in the Newspeak Media. Either way, you are going to hear it."

Apparently in equally gleeful tones.

 

220 Wet foot, dry foot is not a policy for Cubans only. May I call you wet back, dry back?

221 I think McDonnell (McConnell? what's his name?) of VA is a silent possibility of a VP pick, esp. if a non-governor gets the nom.

222

>  Gingrich/Christie would be all sorts of awesome (actual policy aside),

 

plus it would be a huge ticket- "Just 2 fat guys, here to save America!"

223

Perry:  Strikes me as similar to Cain, except not the go-getter, meaning that the actual CEO won't be Perry but some other person who runs the show from behind.  More of a figurehead, doesn't make the decisions but actually is the mouthpiece of the true CEO, I'm wondering who that will be.

Posted by: doug at November 17, 2011 02:17 PM (gUGI6)

That's a whole lot of words to call Perry an empty suit.

224

And after 4 more years of President Golfpants, we can change our name to "France" Lebanon.

 

FTFY, alas.

225 And enough with the Rubio fantasies, we cannot afford to lose any senators.

226 have the protesters thought about how fucking up everyone's subway ride will go over with rank-n-file New Yorkers, who seem to have very little patience with this type of bullshit?

227 Fuck you and your mitt romney dick sucking! .
he cant win - evangelicals wont turn out for a mormon. get over it.

228 I've been a Cain supporter for weeks and I give up hard.  But I'm almost there.

229 I actually don't support Rubio for the VP pick. I wouldn't sneeze at it if he got it, but I agree, we need him in the Senate.

230 Ace can gloat.  He saw it coming before most of us.

231 And enough with the Rubio fantasies, we cannot afford to lose any senators.

Posted by: KG at November 17, 2011 03:03 PM (LD21B)

Yeah, that too - don't think he'd take it, anyway, but I wouldn't want him tarnished.  Pres in 2016 if we lose next year, or 2020 if we win.  Don't waste him on a VP run.

232 Posted by: chillin the most for Perry at November 17, 2011 02:42 PM (6IV8T)

Sent in my $$.  I'm not gonna wait for someone else to decide who I should send my money to.  After the primarys I don't have much choice so I'm gonna give it to my guy right now in hopes that after the primarys I'm sending another donation to my choice.

233

Pick another woman for VP

turn the MSM into misogynists again, for all the voters to see

234 Dustin, what do you think of the article linked in the sidebar where Perry's staff wiped the server clean and bought 17 hard drives for $65 a piece, thus destroying all Romney email records during his administration?

235 So let me get this straight.  Newt serves as an adviser to Freddie for 8 years at a salary of $250K+ per year.  And for 8 years, they ignore his advice?  How does that work?

Freddie: "OK, we think your advice is crap.  So here's another $250K for next year.  See if you can't try harder."

Newt: "Ha ha ha ha..."

Freddie: "OK, Newt, we see you've handed in crappy advice again.  So here's another $250K for next year.  Let's hope your advice improves."

Newt:  "Oh,  ho ho ho..."

Etc etc.

236

A couple of points about Cain's recent fiasco's:  the "wet foot/dry foot" thing doesn't require a briefing book and a lot of "study".  I had a pretty good idea what it was because I'd seen Moscow On The Hudson.  Who can forget the flashback of Alejandro Ray making it to the Florida shore and having a woman on the beach hand him money for a drink?  Ah, The American Dream.  Great scene in a great movie.

As far as Cain's lack of prep.  Christ.   Herman Cain is not a businessman.  He's a corporate executive and there's a huge difference.  Cain has never taken a risk in his life.  He's a hired hand who worked his way up through the ranks, which is an accomplishment in itself, but a businessman he isn't.  He's got the corporate management rules down pat, and they don't require much beyond knowing how to bullshit your way to the next promotion.  Herman Cain is the private sector equilivent of a bureaucrat.  If you've ever worked for a large corporation you'll know exactly what I mean. 

237 The eye of Sauron has now turned to Gingrich. We, the Tea Party hobbits, will see how he handles it.

238

Wet foot/Dry foot sure sounds Govermental.  Shame on Cain!!!!

 

239 4 I'm off the Cain train but it sure would be nice to know the sitting president's answers to some of these questions.
Posted by: Buzzsaw

Yeah, lots of luck with getting those. Just make up something brilliant and that's what he said.

240 >>>I can't believe that there is a chance I will be voting for Mitt Romney in the primaries to prevent a worse candidate from winning.

And now you've finally come around to the position I've been in since, oh I dunno, September or so.

Seriously: Gingrich cannot be our nominee.  The man is atrocious in every imaginable way, except for an ability to talk pretty at debates (when nobody is attacking him and he can just bitch out the media, that is).  The fact that so-called TrueCons are now flocking to him even though he's vastly, vastly worse than Romney on every metric (the issues, past history of liberal heresies, flip-flopping, revolting personal life, likeability, etc.) just sort of exposes the anti-Romney movement as the emotionally-driven temper tantrum that it is.

241 By the way, if Romney wins the nomination, his VP pick will one of the following three choices: Marco Rubio, Bob McDonnell, or Jim DeMint.

242 @236Herman Cain is not a businessman.  He's a corporate executive and there's a huge difference.  Cain has never taken a risk in his life.  He's a hired hand who worked his way up through the ranks, which is an accomplishment in itself, but a businessman he isn't.  He's got the corporate management rules down pat, and they don't require much beyond knowing how to bullshit your way to the next promotion.  Herman Cain is the private sector equilivent of a bureaucrat.

In other words he's Obama.

243 Posted by: Jeff B. at November 17, 2011 03:27 PM (K+pvw)

I choose none of the above, we need them right where they are.

244

@48

I was pondering along these exact lines of thinking the other day. I see a number of correlations to 1968. The need to elect a GOP to push back the tide of Democratic left wing activism led most people to settle  on centrist Nixon rather than some died in the wool conservative freak named Reagan. Reliably the left wing press got to make the claim that Nixon was an authoritarian right wing tool. In reality, he may have been right wing but not in the sense of limited government.  He aided and abetted the statist government model by giving us such niceties as governmental price controls, creation of EPA and OSHA.  More to the point the press having such a hard on for Nixon ensured his downfall and by extension put  the GOP forever on a defensive footing, allowing the Demonrats the claim that they are not the corrupt ones.  DonÂ’t think for a second that Mittens wonÂ’t get the same full throated attempts at destruction from the MSM. And inevitably he will be destroyed. And when that happens we get to hear again how conservatives like Mittens are the real problem.

245 241 By the way, if Romney wins the nomination, his VP pick will one of the following three choices: Marco Rubio, Bob McDonnell, or Jim DeMint.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 17, 2011 03:27 PM (K+pvw)

Chris Christie.  I'm calling it.

246 When Newt did his advisory stuff (all before 200 , the amount he was paid was not extraordinary. Remember that Fannie and Freddie decided to pretend they were Wall Street firms, which is why all those executives walked away with multi-million dollar bonuses. Compared to Jamie Gorelick's $27 million, $250K a year is chump change. So while it's important to know what Newt was doing, don't put too much weight on the payments. It looks like big money to us normal people, but in the financial world, it really wasn't a big amount for someone with Newt's skills, background and connections.

247 "just sort of exposes the anti-Romney movement as the emotionally-driven temper tantrum that it is."

Naw, we just don't like dishonest scumbags.

It's Romney's worst fans (I'm sure a vocal minority of his supporters) who are emotional.  They have a cult of personality to the candidate they think is beautiful, brilliant, and wonderful.  They ignore the scandals and sleaze that surrounds Romney.  They ignore his stupifying gaffes.  They ignore his failure of policy.

This is a man who said Asia is a country, knowingly kept a crooked buddy supplying illegals to his families mansions, bankrupted his state with tax and spend policies like Romneycare, and then destroyed records the people were entitled to and asked his political donors to fund his kid's business.

All this stuff is ignored by the Romney hacks, who cannot fathom why anyone would reject their gorgeous candidate who is so elite and brilliant, other than just being sinister.

No, the reasons for rejecting Romney are obvious and factual.  He more scandalous than Newt.  He governed very, very stupidly.  He's been unemployed for five years, practicing his debate shtick while hiding from every policy dispute, so he's not even a leader at the most basic level.

If you want a very liberal Republican party, Romney makes sense.  If you think there is no chance of a third party in 2012, you are both stupid and Romney is at least electable.  If you ignore the scandals and outrageous flip flops, Romney at least has enough character.

And if you ignore everything, and pathetically insist on just comparing Romney to Obama, even I have to admit he's got my vote in that case.

But opposition to Romney is not based on emotion.  He's really a terrible politician, and also a very obvious politician that loses most of his elections because he's too slick.

248 By the way, if Romney wins the nomination, his VP pick will one of the following three choices: Marco Rubio, Bob McDonnell, or Jim DeMint. Posted by: Jeff B. at November 17, 2011 03:27 PM (K+pvw) Posted by: Jeff B. at November 17, 2011 03:27 PM (K+pvw) I choose none of the above, we need them right where they are. Posted by: KG at November 17, 2011 03:29 PM (LD21B) KG, VA has a one-term limit for Governors, so Bob McDonnell will be free. Just sayin' I agree with you about the other two.

249 "Chris Christie.  I'm calling it.

Posted by: buzzion at November 17, 2011 03:30 PM (GULKT)"

Romney Christie is a much better ticket than Romney Rubio or Romney Cain.

It also makes a lot of sense for Christie, IMO.

I think you're making a good call.

I'd rather vote for Perry Ryan.

250 That should be before 2008--I don't know how that smiley face got in there.

251 KG, VA has a one-term limit for Governors, so Bob McDonnell will be free. Just sayin'

I agree with you about the other two.

Posted by: elizabethe at November 17, 2011 03:34 PM (hCc/i)

It ends this year? Ok.

252 >>>Chris Christie.  I'm calling it.

Hey, I'd love it if Christie was the pick.  But Romney knows full well that if he wins the nomination he's going to need to cement the loyalty and fervor of the base (just look at these threads!).  He's going to pick someone who has a lot of appeal to hardcore conservatives.  Rubio still seems the most likely, but McDonnell would also be a great pick (especially because he has nowhere to go, given that VA governors are limited to one term and Mark Warner is damn near bulletproof in the Senate).  DeMint is the dark horse.  I've heard some rumblings here and there that he would definitely be on the list as a possibility.  Definitely an interesting possibility.

Also, I'm genuinely unsure of whether Christie would accept a VP slot.  I take him at his word when he says he's not the kind of guy who would be a comfortable second-banana to anybody.

Still, I'd eat that shit up were it to happen.

253 " Dustin, what do you think of the article linked in the sidebar where Perry's staff wiped the server clean and bought 17 hard drives for $65 a piece, thus destroying all Romney email records during his administration?

Posted by: Random at November 17, 2011 03:13 PM (t/OGt)"

It's terrible!  Damn Perry again with this crap.  Tardasil and the time machine to Cain's associates, and now this.

I'm also hearing that Perry was in Dallas when JFK was shot!

254

Baloney!. I'm "reasonably well-informed" (B.A. Math, 98th percentile, "general knowledge and written expression" section of the Foreign Service exam, 87th percentile economic score) and I never heard of the "wet foot/dry foot" policy. Also, Cain's pause after the "What do you think of the Obama Administration's Libya policy?" question makes entire sense. What policy? They drifted into their support for the rebels, with no evident systematic prior justification, apparently pulled by European interests. Ace wants someone glib. Cain responds like a thougtful person, assessing his options in composing an answer.

Ace sniped Palin regularly, also. What is it? Anti-Christian bigotry? Most of the US electorate are Christians. I was raised in no church and am no more a Christian than I am a Buddhist, Hindu, Muslim, or Zoroastrian, but I expect we will need someone with the inner strength you seldom find in materialists (such as I) to pull us through the times ahead. That eliminates weather vanes like Gingrich and Romney. 

    

   

255

Hey, I'd love it if Christie was the pick. But Romney knows full well that if he wins the nomination he's going to need to cement the loyalty and fervor of the base (just look at these threads!). He's going to pick someone who has a lot of appeal to hardcore conservatives. Rubio still seems the most likely, but McDonnell would also be a great pick (especially because he has nowhere to go, given that VA governors are limited to one term and Mark Warner is damn near bulletproof in the Senate). DeMint is the dark horse. I've heard some rumblings here and there that he would definitely be on the list as a possibility. Definitely an interesting possibility.

Also, I'm genuinely unsure of whether Christie would accept a VP slot. I take him at his word when he says he's not the kind of guy who would be a comfortable second-banana to anybody.

Still, I'd eat that shit up were it to happen.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 17, 2011 03:36 PM (K+pvw)

 

See I don't love Christie as the pick.  He's a North eastern squishy Republican just like Romney.  The only positive he has over Romney that makes me like him more is that he's direct when he's talking and isn't attempting to be all things to all people like Romney does. 

But the reason Romney will pick him if he is the candidate is simple.  He hasn't done jackshit to actually draw conservatives to him during the primaries when you should be tacking right, so he sure as hell isn't going to be doing anything to endear himself to conservatives in the general.  His attitude towards them is very simple, and follows with his supporters: "Fuck you fall in line"

256 I love it when Ace talks esoterica.   *fans self*

257 >>>Dustin, what do you think of the article linked in the sidebar where Perry's staff wiped the server clean and bought 17 hard drives for $65 a piece, thus destroying all Romney email records during his administration?

I'm stunned that you're so upset about this.  I think it was incredibly smart, and completely legitimate for Romney to do.  Would YOU have wanted your internal communications to fall into the hands of one of Obama's closest allies in a state that's 85% Democratic, so that it could edited, distorted, and improperly leaked out to sabotage you later?  All this means is that, once again, Mitt Romney has demonstrated that he's done his homework and he's prepared for how hard a race this will be. 

(Amazingly, even the normally rabidly anti-Romney peeps over on Hot Air get this one right.)

258

Baloney!. I'm "reasonably well-informed" (B.A. Math, 98th percentile, "general knowledge and written expression" section of the Foreign Service exam, 87th percentile economic score) and I never heard of the "wet foot/dry foot" policy. Also, Cain's pause after the "What do you think of the Obama Administration's Libya policy?" question makes entire sense. What policy? They drifted into their support for the rebels, with no evident systematic prior justification, apparently pulled by European interests. Ace wants someone glib. Cain responds like a thougtful person, assessing his options in composing an answer

Yeah well you know what?  I haven't taken an American government class since senior year in high school.  And I don't think any class I ever took covered the wet foot/dry foot policy.  And yet I still fucking know it.  So you're not as reasonably well informed as you think you are.

259 >>>Yeah well you know what?  I haven't taken an American government class since senior year in high school.  And I don't think any class I ever took covered the wet foot/dry foot policy.  And yet I still fucking know it.  So you're not as reasonably well informed as you think you are.

This.

260 I'm "reasonably well-informed" (B.A. Math, 98th percentile, "general knowledge and written expression" section of the Foreign Service exam, 87th percentile economic score) and I never heard of the "wet foot/dry foot" policy And if you were campaigning for President in Florida....

261 Cain lost all of my respect when he came to Wisconsin and told the newspaper's editorial board that 'public employees have the right to unionize so long as they don't take too much money.' He's a maroon. Our Governor is going through Hell over a public-employee union dismantling and this moronic talk-show host completely undercuts him. End. Finis. Buh-bye.

262 Herman Cain's a clever chap,
He's got some brains, he ain't no sap.

Then why is it he's not so great?
Surely we don't overrate
His latent talent to create,
That is proved beyond debate.

The reason for his campaign's rut
Is that he won't get off his butt.

       -Ogden Gnash

263 I know Cain is being assailed from every direction, but he simply cannot withstand scrutiny as a serious presidential candidate. Cain just can't handle the limelight. The Libya fiasco was just plain weird. He's being vetted publicly and it is brutal to watch. Godfathers Pizza, eh?

264 Ace,

"Why would I support Gingrich, a worse candidate (as far as likelihood of winning) than Romney, when his actual conservatism is either no more firm than Romney's, or only marginally more firm?"

Do you think Romney destroying all his emails from his time as governor is a big issue or a little one that doesn't harm his candidacy?

I'm genuinely curious about your opinion.

265 Cains done and dusted. What a poseur. Newt, if ( big if) he can keep the needle at confidence , not cockiness, has a shot. Can he keep it together in the greatest opportunity of his life, though? His history says he has neither the discipline or temperament. If I'm Mitt I still love my chances. Which sucks.

266 First look at Bob Riley!

267 My opinion on Romney removing all his e-mails?  I find it strange, but as a commenter on Legal Insurrection said, Huckabee did it, too.  So, Huckabee and Romney seem to have that in common.  But as the blog Legal Insurrection said, if Romney gets the nom (and I hope he does not), he will be the only candidate who has not been questioned, the only candidate that has avoided interviews, and the only candidate that has not stood up to scutiny by the press.  Therefore, it will all come out during the campaign, thus making it easier  for Obama to defeat him.

268 My question for Newt is, will you fuck someone not your wife while in office?

269 Once again, I would like to direct everyone's attention to a Facebook group entitled "Merlin The Cat For President."

Merlin is currently napping and unavailable for comment, but he has authorized me to reveal his plan to have DARPA begin human cloning research. First test subjects are Christina Hendricks and Angelina Jolie.

270 Why is Havana Cain still in the top 3 ?

271

"First look at Bob Riley!"

Has he recovered from his motorcycle accident?

272 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

273 "but as a commenter on Legal Insurrection said, Huckabee did it, too. "

Yes, but huckabee was pretty much a damn crook.

As was Nixon.

I can understand those saying this is a stupid law, but Romney should have moved to have the law change if it's so unimportant.

In my opinion, we cannot know why he broke the law or what was destroyed.  This is a meticulous politician who leaves nothing to chance, and I think there's a reason this happened.  I think there's a reason Berger stuffed something down his pants.  I think there was something bad on the erased portion of Nixon's audio tape.

Anyway, all I can say for sure is that Romney looks bad for his decision.  And I hold him 100% responsible for this.

274 "I think it was incredibly smart,"

LOL LOL LOL

275 "Posted by: Malcolm Kirkpatrick at November 17, 2011 03:41 PM (GTuQW)"

I'm not trying to insult you, pal, but wet foot dry foot is basic knowledge.  It comes up all the time.  I like that Cain is not a super slick guy.  I just have a bias against phony slick politicians.  But he should have known this kind of thing.  It's not at all isolated for him to be uninformed about very important issues.

Cain simply isn't ready for this.  Perry shows signs he's not prepared for debates too, but I think he's considerably more prepared and has proven results.  Newt is very informed, but there are obviously some problems there. 

We have to unify around one of these three or a liberal will be the next president.  Beggars can't be choosy.

276

Yeah, Newt can be sleazy sometimes and he tries too hard to be a reformer when conservatism doesnt need to be reformed, but I believe that his attempts are the misguided endeavors of a conservative to mainstream the movement.

That cant be said of Romney. Willard is not liberal or progressive and he is definitely no conservative (and wasnt in 08,). I dont think that he has any ideological alignment. Willards only concern is his career and because of that he was willing to disparage Ronald Reagan publicly, to score points with a liberal Massachusettes audience.

Say what you like about Gingrich or Scott Walker or even John McCain, but they would never have done that. I think even Perry might have had nicer things to say about Reagan, back when he was a Democrat. But Willard went there and if you ask me, he can stay there. I wont vote for him under any circumstances.

277 Hell, I didn't even know Riley was in a motorcycle accident.

278 Near fatal accident in Alaska:  http://is.gd/K2a6jc

279 Herman Cain has confirmed a suspicion I've had since the sex allegations broke. It's good to be confident. It's bad to be over-confident or...proud? At the time of those sex allegations, the guy immediately charged out and answered the questions without any preparation. There is something admirable about this (esp. if you think he was innocent), but there was also something very questionable: even the smartest, most innocent, well-informed person can be confused by hostile and unfair questions, and therefore look...BAD. As he did, early that week. He was TOO confident in his own abilities, and too naive that his own innocence wd speak for itself. That is a dangerous fault. I don't want to call it arrogance or pride, but maybe...overweening cockiness? Anyway, that tendency was on even more gruesome display in the Milwaukee interview. He either needed to be prepared (incl. some rest) or DON'T DO THE EFFING INTERVIEW. This is NOT rocket science, in politics, business, sports, court, or any other field. Period. He's been campaigning seriously for 6+ months. He's needed to improve his command of the issues over that time--but he has not, at least so's it's noticeable. When you're a newcomer, you DO need to prove yourself vs. the establishment. He's had a golden opportunity the past 6 weeks, with the spotlight on him--but he has failed that test. You just can't repeatedly flub basic questions with dare I say stuttering answers, period. If we need to absorb so many gaffes, we might as well go with someone with executive experience and history fighting liberals while in office. Short of repeated performances that rival Newt Gingrich in knowledge, then I don't see any reason for him to continue. And I don't see that happening. It's a real shame, because he has many gifts, and such a beautiful family, but we can't duck reality. Oh, and I never doubted his commitment to conservative principles, even if he might have never written a NRO essay about them. And SURELY there's an easier, less humiliating way to sell a few books, right? Do you people seriously think THAT'S why he's gone thru this? A millionaire 65-year-old cancer survivor? To sell some books? No, he WANTED to be President. He thought he had the tools. He actually ran an amazingly successful campaign, and got "to be a position to win," as the late great Jim Valvano put it. But in the end, it was the candidate himself, and his over-confidence, that were the limiting factors. It hurts like hell to admit it, but I have to, after being as fair and patient with Herman Cain as I'd be with any candidate that ran as a conservative. He cd make a great Sec of Commerce, tho!

280 Ace you make good points here in a sober, fair way and I (for many presumably) applaud you, albeit in a quiet manner.

281 You people comparing Newt to Romney shd be ashamed of yourselves. No Repub apart from Reagan ever damaged the Dems or liberalism as much as Newt did. Were you people even sentient from 1983 to 1998? Newt was beyond Satan for them. If Mitt had earned just 1/10th the cred and history that Newt has, then he'd be at 70% in the GOP polls. But Mitt is a squish. Sorry.

282 Perry going on Letterman was great. Debating Pelosi, as a theme, was brought about by an inspired team understanding frustration, desperation, and redemption in national politics in our internet 24/7 age.

283 "You people comparing Newt to Romney shd be ashamed of yourselves.

No Repub apart from Reagan ever damaged the Dems or liberalism as much as Newt did. Were you people even sentient from 1983 to 1998? Newt was beyond Satan for them.

If Mitt had earned just 1/10th the cred and history that Newt has, then he'd be at 70% in the GOP polls. But Mitt is a squish. Sorry.

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at November 17, 2011 05:04 PM (l23WN)"

Agreed.  It sucks that people do not get credit for results.  Newt is a mixed bag, sure.  But he's a mix of good and bad.  There's good there too.  Newt has far more credibility with conservatives than Romney has.

He's a decent compromise.  Not my preference, but hey.

284 Wow - the word "trivial" was not used this very post.


Back On-Topic...

What?! Cain doesn't know what wet-foot dry-foot is?1 What an outrage!111111

285

I'm sick of people like Krauthammer and Rove sniveling at Newt saying 'Attacking the media is getting old.'

Well, its NEVER enough to put the media in their fuggin place Krauthammer. 

286

I never thought I'd live to see the day when Newt Gingrich was considered to be too liberal to be GOP nominee.

 

Unfuckingbelievable

287

@260,

Maybe, if that was how I intended to campaign in Florida. But the term "wet foot/dry foot" sounds too "Bush Doctrine" idiosyncratic to me. Give some familiar object (a tangerine, say) a new or vague name __X__ and then ask if someone is familiar with __X__ and you show that they've never heard of tangerines? Sorry. No. 

288 Ace Headline: Newt's On Top.

I dug into the piece with interest; it was a longish looking piece and I thought you might be engaging in a substantive discussion of the pluses and minuses of Newt an how he stacked up against the other candidates. Nope. A quick note about a poll, and then it's off to stomp on Cain, capped with a conclusion about how you respect Romney and you hoped Perry would man up so it doesn't come to Romney.

Look, I know you are not pretending to be some objective reporter just passing along the news. This is a site with a point of view. But, even a hometown newspaper reporting on Friday night's high school football game will mention it if the star quarterback gets sacked. It's part of the story even if it is clear that they are disappointed that their boys got their asses handed to them.

So, why is it that you don't think that Newt will turn out to be the nominee? Why are you so convinced that if Perry doesn't get his act together, it will be Romney for sure? If you are going to headline a piece as Newt on top, and then end it with a conclusion that it looks like it is going to be Romney, how about some discussion about how you got from the headline to the conclusion?

289 "What?! Cain doesn't know what wet-foot dry-foot is?1 What an outrage!111111"

Granted you're being sarcastic, but I think Cain obviously knew what the policy was and just couldn't rattle off a good defense or criticism of it.  It's tricky to do that, and he's screwed up a few answers, so he tried to just refuse to answer it at all.

The policy is one that has a severely irrational element to it, and yet opposing it looks awful if you don't do it very precisely with something better ready to lay out.

Cain isn't exposing his ignorance.  Just his inability to be the super slick type of politician. 

290 I know people are sick of the Cain-bashing, but this is a character flaw. I'm sorry, if you're running for president, a good man takes that seriously and bothers to read a briefing book.

Ace, after your week of trying to make Cain out to be a rapist, or something, I could really care less about any argument you try to make against him on substance.  And it is the height of hypocrisy to call Cain unprepared in one breath, and then try to boost another candidate who can't remember and doesn't even seem to understand his own policy positions in the next.

Cain, at least, has been willing to go one-on-one against rivals for the, y'know, U.S. Presidency, while Ricardo is only willing to go up against the House Minority Leader (and got his ass humiliated by her within about 12 hours of proposing that).

All I've ever cared for Cain to do is remain strong enough to keep Perry out.  (Thankfully, Perry's proving to be so stupid and incompetent a campaigner that even this doesn't appear to be necessary.)

291 Cain isn't exposing his ignorance.  Just his inability to be the super slick type of politician. 

Posted by: Dustin

I will concur with that - a trivial immigration question would be asking a candidate,

"In light of the 14th Amendment, why are those born in American-Samoa not granted citizenship upon birth while those born in the Virgin Islands, Guam, and Northern Mariannes are? What will you do to recticfy that situation, to meet your domestic policy plan?"

'Course every real conservative blogger already has an answer somewhere up their arse to that.

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293 Wow this is soo helpful I have been trying to figure this out on my own for a long time now. Hopefully making this change will help encourage discussion on my blog.

294
That is useful information and its quite easy to come a croper if you are not vigilant.

295 Do you think Romney destroying all his emails from his time as governor is a big issue or a little one that doesn't harm his candidacy?

I'm genuinely curious about your opinion.

As a Romney supporter, I never like it when I see fanboys of other candidates downplay stuff of their pick (i.e. Newt fans saying that 1.6 million from Freddie and Fanny was no big deal).  So when I see stuff like this I put the name of one of the opposition to limit bias. 

- Do you think (Perry) destroying all his emails from his time as governor is a big issue or a little one that doesn't harm his candidacy?-

My answer - not sure.  Was he trying to hide some deep scandal or proventing access to the incoming democratic governer from having a trove of emails to look through to find "gotchas" - which are easy to do if you do not provide the full quotes -and control the data and access to it. 

Reading the LA times write up it sounds like the latter.  The current Gov. Deval Patrick, appears to be trying to make political hay out something he was denied access to.  So if this were Perry and not Romney (no not that "not Romney"), I am currently inclined to give him not only a pass but a kudos for having the forsite to do this.  Using four years of emails - they could get Romney chasing his tail during the whole campaign by releasing "portions" that sound bad and have to be countered, but in reality are nothing significant.

296 Excellent blog, thanks for the share. I'll be a regular viewer.

297 "This is where I start respecting the character of Mitt Romney for at least taking the job seriously enough to do some homework." 

As a Romney borg representative, all I can say is our plan is working - you will be assimilated.

298 @299 I found this blog because of a shout out by Hugh Hewitt - I've been a fan ever since.  Ace does a great job of pulling stuff together and has some of the best cat vid links on the internet.  No one does funny cat stuff better than Ace.

Even though I disagree with him on some views, like his support of Perry, it is a good place to come to for info (not just cat vids).  Being a Romney supporter this site also has the advantage of the "occasional" anti Romney post.  What doesn't kill you makes you stronger.  Plus its boring going to sites that are loaded up with like minded fanboys - opposition is good.

299 @176 - you noticed that too, I thought I was the only one.  I hope folks have learned their lesson for at least a few years not to vote for the "rock star candidate that has no real record" (Cain supporters are you listening).

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301 Newt consulted for Fannie Mae, he did not lobby on their behalf.  HUGE difference.

Reality check and Washington vocabulary  word of the day:
Consulting (at 1.6 million) = Lobbist and shill for the group.  Increase your word power everyday by learning Washingtonspeak.  Orwell would be proud, you fell for it!