1 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

2 which, geeze, I really need to do one of these days.

No.  you really don't.

I kind of like the spartan feel of the HQ.

3 "Keep her steady, get closer, closer...keep it steady dammit!!!"

Me on the Cain Train as Newt Gingrich rides in on his horse.

4 Put me in coach! I'm ready to go!

5 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

6 We believe Mrs. Gingrich will make a wonderful First Lady!

7 Gingrich, long ago written off is almost competitive now?  I don't see how that can be good news in the bigger picture.  Meanwhile, there will be idiots writing in Hoiman Gain's name next November even if he's totally discredited.  Call it Marion Berry syndrome...

8 RasmussenPoll Scott Rasmussen

Obama 44%, Perry 35%...

9 All these polls are irrelevant. Wait till after the Israel-Iran war which obama will sit out.

10 Posted by: nevergiveup at November 08, 2011 12:11 PM (i6RpT) No worries; the ATF is buying guns in Haifa and handing them over to Hamas in Gaza. Oh, wait a second...

11 Bach..er...Perr...er..Ca..Gingrich ! The NOT-ROM!

12
Wait till after the Israel-Iran war which obama will sit out.

You taking the under????? Western Imperialist fool.   I've got the inside track, man.  The inside track.

13 Penn State cancels Paterno Presser and will NOT reschedule it. Paterno still Head Coach Penn State still sticking it's head in sand Disgrace

14 I hate that they have so many candidates. We might run out of anonymous sources and imaginary stories.

15 6 We believe Mrs. Gingrich will make a wonderful First Lady! Posted by: Tiffany's at November 08, 2011 12:10 PM (Xm1aB) As opposed to Wookie Antoinette?

16 I had speculated a few days ago that Newt was hitching his wagon to the Cain train which, barring the scandal of the last few days, was pretty damn clever. Newt brings the smarts and savvy and Cain brings the business experience and the aw shucks.

I wonder what will happen with that relationship now.

17 Newt has been turning in some fine debate performances and generating solid base pleasing sound bites in interviews.

I would love to see him debate Obama or Biden.

18 JoePa needs to retire. He's lost control of the program.

19 I wonder what will happen with that relationship now. Posted by: What Now?! at November 08, 2011 12:14 PM (piMMO) like ya mean who is on top? Or who is the catcher and who is the pitcher?

20 I wonder what will happen with that relationship now. Posted by: What Now?! at November 08, 2011 12:14 PM (piMMO) Cain will want to see if Newt comes up "this high."

21 Of course, media won't look into allegations that obooboo was stroking bo the dog's tail in a suggestive manner...

22 16 I had speculated a few days ago that Newt was hitching his wagon to the Cain train which, barring the scandal of the last few days, was pretty damn clever. Newt brings the smarts and savvy and Cain brings the business experience and the aw shucks. I wonder what will happen with that relationship now.

Tears, recrimination and a quickie for "old times sake"

23 Man, that Rubin lady took the knife to Gingrich, and yet I can't help but agree with her.

24 Ahhh, another day to say its good to be voting in the democrat primary And of course Bears Win!!! Bears Win!!!

25

And independents, by 50-40, say Obama does not deserve a second term.

40% of these stupid fucks think the SCOAMF deserves a second term?  Elections depend on these not-in-a-good-way morons?  We truly are boned.

26 Man, that Rubin lady took the knife to Gingrich

You mean JenJen Binks?

27 JoePa needs to retire. He's lost control of the program. Posted by: Vote Cthulhu/joncelli 2012 at November 08, 2011 12:15 PM (RD7QR) With all due respect that's not the point. He allowed a child rapist to stay free and rape some more. Football has nothing to do with this.

28 Newt's a Hoot!!! Uproared!!! FYNQ!

29

Salamander benifets from the fact that he isn't Mitt. Of course, a tape worm in a cat's ass can make the same claim.

Either way, Mitt sux.

30 "one of those professional looking magazine-style looks " Yeah, *exactly* what you need: The home page now takes 5 minutes to load. None of the "continued" links work.

31 DRUDGE:

Unnamed Cain Accuser Works In Obama Administration



heh

32 Rubin's article alludes to what I've said in the past. If you want some type of information to help you decide about Gingrich just look to how many of his former colleagues support him now.

33 Didn't they used to teach girls back in the day that if they were raped to not resist, just lay back and take it? I keep hearing a little voice tell me the same thing about Romney being the nominee.

34 All-time great pairing--Newt & Dick Morris

35
With all due respect that's not the point. He allowed a child rapist to stay free and rape some more. Football has nothing to do with this.

Yeah, if not for football, Joe would have been chair of the Economics Department at PSU.  This has jock house stink all over it...

36 Crap, benefits.

37 Penn State cancels Paterno Presser and will NOT reschedule it.
Paterno still Head Coach
Penn State still sticking it's head in sand
Disgrace

The defenders and apologists are nauseating. This is not about football. It is about children. Children who were thrown to the wolf to save the reputation of a business. It is sickening.

And Paterno... perhaps it was just so awful...so unimaginably awful, that he simply couldn't believe it. Perhaps he couldn't get his mind around it. Perhaps he should have called the cops and let them prove his friend's guilt or innocence!

And that G.A....the fucking G.A.! He witnessed a grown man having anal sex with a child and instead of knocking the bastard out...instead of calling the police....instead of yelling "STOP!", he slithered away and allowed it to continue.

Between watching the OWS crowd bully elderly women and this atrocity, my nausea meter is pretty much pegged out.

38 32 DRUDGE:

Unnamed Cain Accuser Works In Obama Administration



heh


FUCK!

39 Nothing has happened in the last three weeks to explain a 21 point change in the polls.

I don't understand this.

Are the polls reliable these days?

40 With all due respect that's not the point. He allowed a child rapist to stay free and rape some more. Football has nothing to do with this. Posted by: nevergiveup at November 08, 2011 12:18 PM (i6RpT) Fair point. Better to say that he lost his sense of proportion.

41 No, Ace, you DO NOT need to move to such silliness. Looks pretty ? Check. User friendly ? Not hardly. There are actually a few conservative blogs that I have stopped reading because they changed format. As it is, I despise the setup at Hotair. Same kind of Multimedia heavy crap.

42 Newt's a Hoot in Kalamazoot!!!!! Word!

43 "...fanatical Romney supporter Jen Rubin just happens to write a blistering attack on him today."

Hmm, Newt must be gaining traction if a Romneybot is attacking him.

44 32 DRUDGE:

Unnamed Cain Accuser Works In Obama Administration



Uhm.....shit

45 DRUDGE:

Unnamed Cain Accuser Works In Obama Administration



heh


FUCK!
 

Posted by: Chicago Rahm at November 08, 2011 12:21 PM (lLeix)

The one from yesterday despite all her other problems used to live in the same building in Chicago as David M. Axelrod.

Small world isn't it?

46 40% of these stupid fucks think the SCOAMF deserves a second term?  Elections depend on these not-in-a-good-way morons?  We truly are boned.

The good thing is, a lot of the folks who don't typically drag themselves away from the xbox long enough to vote will no longer have a FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT! to elect. Some of the shine....the glamour has now worn off. They don't give a damn about his determination to destroy the U.S., but they do care about missing their daytime soaps and talkies.

Dem voter turnout won't even begin to resemble that of the last election.

47 which, geeze, I really need to do one of these days.
.........
Awww, c'mon Ace.  We've kinda got used to this 80's style interface.

48 Probably the biggest problem with a Cain nomination is that all the voters who decide the election--you know, the Independents, the occasional voters, and the cretins--will confuse "Cain" with "McCain."

They don't follow politics and they'll think they're just voting the same ballot they voted three years ago.

Really. They're that stupid

49 So no one is blaming me for the Rubin story? Cool.

50 Didn't they used to teach girls back in the day that if they were raped to not resist, just lay back and take it?

I keep hearing a little voice tell me the same thing about Romney being the nominee.

Lie back and think of the economy.

51
Unnamed Cain Accuser Works In Obama Administration

The one from yesterday despite all her other problems used to live in the same building in Chicago as David M. Axelrod.

Crazy.... paranoid.... conspiracy.....

.... oh wait....

52 Rubin has been spinning anything and everything for Romney lately but her observations about Newt are mostly accurate. Of course, Romney does some of the exact same things, but she wants to ignore that.

53 To expand on my first response... First of all, I'm not 10 years old, I do not need to see a picture with every post. If the information presented is not made simpler or otherwise benefits from a picture, then it is not needed. Second, I want to maximize the number of posts I can see on one page. I have no interest in a blog with 5 posts on a page that requires me to keep clicking deeper and deeper into the archives. I NEVER have to do that here. We come here for the content, not for the fancy look.

54 >>>Unnamed Cain Accuser Works In Obama Administration

Why are people repeating this like it's new information?  We've know for at least a WEEK that she was a federal government employee.  But she's a career civil servant, not a political appointee.  It makes no more sense to refer to her as someone who works in the "Obama Administration" than it does to refer to every employee of NIH during the years 2000-2008 as employees in the "Bush Administration."

Interesting to see which way Drudge is spinning, though.

55 Hmmm.  Big overlap.  Guest on Fox News now pointing out there are lots of reasons people wait years to "come forward" in cases with a sex angle.  He's talking about PSU case, but general principals apply to Hoiman Gain too...

56 46. And she's a bears fan!!eleventy!!11!!!

57 O/T - Rush got hold of the same Chicago news report on Bialek's background that Levin aired last night.  It ain't pretty.  I'm sure it's just some vast, right-wing conspiracy.

58 We come here for the content, not for the fancy look. Posted by: deadrody at November 08, 2011 12:28 PM (Gc1ql) True. Although it might be helpful if the commenting interface were more user-friendly, and if the authoring interface made it harder to have, shall we say, loose shit. To coin a phrase.

59 Whatever crush Rubin may or may not have on Romney, she may have just found the question beyond the Pale, as in "when will you stop bearing your wife."

60 We come here for the content, not for the fancy look. Posted by: deadrody at November 08, 2011 12:28 PM (Gc1ql) Well for the cheerleaders also

61 Rubin has been spinning anything and everything for Romney lately How many Republican primary voters read the WaPo? I don't even read the free ones ...

62 Yes, but what does this post have to do with some vague Cain accusations?  Lets get this website back on track Charles Johnson..I mean Ace!

63 Saw something this morning indicating a witness came forward and claims to have seen this new accuser hugging and conversing with Cain at a recent event.

64 Holder sucks cock by choice.  He needs to be extradited to Mexico as an accessory to murder.

65 54. JWF's mobile format looks pretty cool on the tablet though

66 "when will you stop bearing your wife." Posted by: ParisParamus at November 08, 2011 12:30 PM (m+zht) I guess when she gets too heavy. Is Mrs. Cain a big woman? (I keed.)

67 So no one is blaming me for the Rubin story? Cool.

Posted by: Rick Perry at November 08, 2011 12:26 PM (kaOJx)

I wouldn't go that far.

68 Didn't they used to teach girls back in the day that if they were raped to not resist, just lay back and take it?

By the time I was in junior high they were telling women to pee on themselves or vomit or start eating grass...anything...that would completely freak the fuck out of the attacker.

As soon as my daughter was old enough to understand the words, I preached to her that someone who puts a knife to her throat and says "Come with me if you want to live" is NOT AN HONEST PERSON.

I told her that if the bastards going to cut her, or kill her, let him do it where there's a chance of someone coming to her aid. Don't ever....EVER...go quietly.

69 Gingrich is a much better not-Romney

70 I'm guessing as soon as it appears that Newt is going to be an obstacle to Perry, this blog will start suscribing to the anti-Newt gossip news stories and try their best to give creedence to them.  Yet, now there is an opportunity to let everyone know that it is Romney's bots that are doing it now.....so that in three or four weeks HQ can adamantly deny that they are doing it then.

71 70 Gingrich is a much better not-Romney Posted by: Flapjackmaka at November 08, 2011 12:32 PM (LTlag) SoCons won't vote for him. The baggage is too much for them.

72 Well for the cheerleaders also

And if the moronettes don't start receiving a bit of love in the form of Montana or Young, I'm going to start an occupy the thread movement.

73 8 RasmussenPoll Scott Rasmussen

Obama 44%, Perry 35%...

Honestly, I don't get it.  I just do not get it.

74 @69 Good advice! You know what's pathetic? Figuring out just how old your BOYS should be before you give them the same advice.

75

Pretty encouraging poll.  If I had to vote in the primary today it would be for Newt Gingrich.  I now believe, though it will be a mighty tough battle, that he can win in the general election.  If you want a shot at any sort of comprehensive conservative transformation of our government, I really think he's the only one who can pull off that task.

 

He's been vetted too.  Over and over again.  And a lot of the negative reputation he has earned will be revealed as pure horseshit.  The "divorce papers served to the wife dying of cancer" lie is a prime example.

 

 

76 Only Teh Sarah can save us

77 At this point, I would welcome Sarah back into the ring or into the ring depending on how you roll.

78 ugh, no thanks on the changing the blog format to anything like JWF's. I know people like to make fun of it but I think that this format is perfect. updating the sidebars would be a much more worthy project... or a better comments system

79 34
Didn't they used to teach girls back in the day that if they were raped to not resist, just lay back and take it?

No, there was the famous quote about a young royal being told to "lie back and think of England" on her wedding night, but no, young women were never told to simply accept rape.

Well, outside of Islam, that is.

80 And that G.A....the fucking G.A.! He witnessed a grown man having anal sex with a child boy and instead of knocking the bastard out...instead of calling the police....instead of yelling "STOP!", he slithered away and allowed it to continue.

There. Fixed it and explained it for you.

81

"Well, outside of Islam, that is."

Much to the horror of goats and pre pubescent boys.

82 Holder sucks cock by choice.

That's just a rumor! You can't prove anything!!!!

83 80. Think of bad teeth? Wouldn't that spoil the moment?

84 Miss me yet?

85 55 >>>Unnamed Cain Accuser Works In Obama Administration

Why are people repeating this like it's new information?  We've know for at least a WEEK that she was a federal government employee.  But she's a career civil servant, not a political appointee.  It makes no more sense to refer to her as someone who works in the "Obama Administration" than it does to refer to every employee of NIH during the years 2000-2008 as employees in the "Bush Administration."

Interesting to see which way Drudge is spinning, though.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 08, 2011 12:28 PM (hIWe1)

"Karen Kraushaar, a 55-year-old former journalist and seasoned government spokeswoman who served on the front lines of the Elian Gonzalez custody battle, ...."

"Karen Kraushaar currently serves as a communications director at the Inspector GeneralÂ’s Office of the Treasury Department, a position she has held since last year."

"After the settlement, Kraushaar served as a spokeswoman for the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service, the predecessor of Immigration and Customs Enforcement. She was a chief spokeswoman during one of the agency’s most controversial immigration cases — the custody battle over Elian Gonzalez, a Cuban boy rescued at sea who was then held by Florida relatives against the will of his father in Cuba. The boy was eventually returned to his dad.

In 2003, Kraushaar was a communications specialist for the Tax Advocate Service, an independent arm within the Internal Revenue Service that helps impoverished taxpayers."


No no. Nothing to see here. Move along now tards......

86 All hail that newest freshest Not-Romney.  The idea of voting for Newt makes me want to projectile vomit.  Almost all of the other Not-Romney's are better than this fucktard.

87

I've been thinking for about a month now that Newt was going to eventually emerge as the final and successful "not Romney" candidate.

 

88 Please do not switch to the magazine format. This is not a news site, it's a blog. That format makes quick reading and perusing next to impossible and I don't think it will smoothly integrate with the group thing you've got going. I've basically taken Powerline and several other blogs off my daily reading list for exactly that reason. Besides there are other redesign options out there. It may increase your page clicks but it will also make me hate you.

89 Karen Kraushaar

This was "#5" right?  Yeah, that one was stupid.  People are only focusing on #4.

90 Obama 44%, Perry 35%...

Honestly, I don't get it.  I just do not get it.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 08, 2011 12:34 PM (T0NGe)

Rassmussen has gone way left after the 2010 elections. I don't subscribe to him so I can't see his internals but today he is polling Obama's popularity to the left of NBC which has 13% more Obama voters than McCain Voters and 10% more democrats than republicans.

91 85
Miss me yet?

Posted by: Sarah Palin at November 08, 2011 12:39 PM (Xm1aB)

Didn't realize you were gone

92

News flash people: Rick "George W." Perry, Herman "sales tax" Cain, and Newt "wildly unpopular in the 90s" Gingrich will never become President. Never. And anyone who thinks there is even a chance is fooling themselves.

I agree with everone that Romney sucks. But we are in denial if we think these non-starters are going to rescue us from him.

93 Speaking of Elian Gonzalez, I wonder how he's doing in that communist shithole south of Florida. And why aren't Bill Clinton and Janet Reno in solitary confinement for the rest of their miserable lives?

94 Livestream, ABC News and Yahoo! interview the GOP presidential candidates

Only three candidates are left-

* Rick Santorum at 2 p.m. ET

* Herman Cain at 2:30 p.m. ET

* Newt Gingrich at 3 p.m. ET

95 By the way: Rubin won't say which of these attacks are fed to her by Romney, but by refusing to say, she seems to concede that some of them do. So I'm going to go ahead and assume that this is the story Romney planted today.

If the crap she writes isn't spoon-fed to her by the Romney campaign, it just as well be. You'd not have to change a word of what she puts out.

96 Yeah, if not for football, Joe would have been chair of the Economics Department at PSU.  This has jock house stink all over it...

You know what jerk. It's not about sports, it's about money. You are just upset because football makes good entertainment, entertainment people are willing to pay for. That means a bunch of money for the college, which means indiscretions get overlooked; if it had been the coach of the track and field team what then? What if it had been a well known head Economics professor in the top rated Econ-Polisci school in the nation?

Yeah money; not some nefarious Jockocracy.

97 91. It's because us democrats are sexy bitches Don't h8

98 All hail that newest freshest Not-Romney.  The idea of voting for Newt makes me want to projectile vomit.  Almost all of the other Not-Romney's are better than this fucktard.

Don't worry, it's going to be Romney. I don't know why we even bother with this whole "primaries" farce.

99 Amazing how these Cain accusers are seeping outta da woodwork in strategic order ain't it?

Yep. Amazing.

100 And why aren't Bill Clinton and Janet Reno in solitary confinement for the rest of their miserable lives? Posted by: Dave at November 08, 2011 12:41 PM (Xm1aB) Well bill is still married to hillary and doesn't reno have MS?

101 At this point, I would welcome Sarah back into the ring or into the ring depending on how you roll.

Posted by: Dave at November 08, 2011 12:36 PM (Xm1aB)

There's a school of thought that believes that that's the game plan.  You don't miss what you had until it's gone.

102 "Thanks to Jammie Wearing Fool, which on Monday moved to a new location, and also adopted one of those professional looking magazine-style looks, which, geeze, I really need to do one of these days." I'll chime in with another "no you don't". You might wanna clean out your "Bloggers In Arms" section a little bit, though - lotta dead links in there.

103

@ 93 News flash people: Rick "George W." Perry, Herman "sales tax" Cain, and Newt "wildly unpopular in the 90s" Gingrich will never become President. Never. And anyone who thinks there is even a chance is fooling themselves.

For future reference, should I ever need it, I'm going to point people to this post as an example of the FReeperesque tendency to assume that personal opinion invariably translates into reality.

104 Posted by: Miss'80s at November 08, 2011 12:41 PM (d6QMz)

Can't stream at work.  How have they been doing?

105 From a Paterno story:

"Frederiksen called questions about whether Paterno might testify premature and speculation."

I don't need to tell you how I misread that the first time.

106 You know what jerk. It's not about sports, it's about money. You are just upset because football makes good entertainment, entertainment people are willing to pay for. That means a bunch of money for the college, which means indiscretions get overlooked; if it had been the coach of the track and field team what then? What if it had been a well known head Economics professor in the top rated Econ-Polisci school in the nation?

Yeah money; not some nefarious Jockocracy.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at November 08, 2011 12:42 PM (0q2P7)

What if it had been the head of a grant factory in climate science whose seminal work was proved to be a fraud?

107 Geez guys, I hate to say "I TOLD YOU SO"!

108 Karen Kraushaar

This was "#5" right?  Yeah, that one was stupid.  People are only focusing on #4.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 08, 2011 12:40 PM (T0NGe)

No she was one of the first two, the one that her lawyer read her statement on tv.

109 The Cain accuser who works in the Administration also worked for the Clinton Administration--and was the principle spokesman in the Elian Gonzalez affair--which means she worked directly under ERIC HOLDER.

110 55 >>>Unnamed Cain Accuser Works In Obama Administration

Why are people repeating this like it's new information?  We've know for at least a WEEK that she was a federal government employee.  But she's a career civil servant, not a political appointee.  It makes no more sense to refer to her as someone who works in the "Obama Administration" than it does to refer to every employee of NIH during the years 2000-2008 as employees in the "Bush Administration."

Interesting to see which way Drudge is spinning, though.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 08, 2011 12:28 PM (hIWe1)

Yeah, she's just an a-political bureaucrat ain't she? No far-left political leanings evident in her, huh?

No no. Not at all......

111 Whoa! Wait just minute! I was only in this to sell books and DVDs.

112 Let's see......... is there any political operative connection that's starting to become apparent between all these Cain accusers.....?

hmmmmm......any at all?

113 Liar, you love to say it!!

114  It's because us democrats are sexy bitches
Don't h8

Posted by: Navycopjoe at November 08, 2011 12:42 PM (9IFxO)

If Cain hit on Karen Kraushaar I have lost all respect for him after veiwing her picture. Unless it was after 12:01 AM, then he would get a pass.

115 Gingrich is not much better than Romney.

116

@93 Posted by: Chris

According to conventional wisdom, you would be correct. According to conventional wisdom, Obamathenation could never be President. Therefore, conventional wisdom can be wrong. Therefore, make actual arguments for/agin instead of summary dismissal of other candidates. And don't take the MSMs word for it that candidate x, y, or z is a non-starter with the public.

At this point, generic republican beats Obama, its an ABO election, and indies and others may accept some baggage for demonstrated competence....

117 I expect an announcement anytime now that Newt and the wife are taking a 3-week cruise in Europe. Unconventional campaign and all that jazz, don't you know?

118 No far-left political leanings evident in her, huh?

Okay, the only thing I'm saying on Cain for... at least the rest of the morning.  Central Time.

Would you be less likely to believe, say, a communications director for the NRA if the purported perv were a democrat running for high office?  Unless you have direct evidence indicating she's doing this for some benefit to her, stop with the innuendos- either Cain did it, or he didn't, and blaming those accusing him isn't going to help (even if you're right).

Cain stepped hip deep with knee-high waders, and its his own fault.  He could have stopped this cold (presuming he's innocent) last Monday or Tuesday, and he didn't.

119 Please don't change the look of this site Ace!
I mean, look what they did to American Spectator! It looks exactly like the Daily Beast for craps sake.
If is ani't broke.... and all that. 

120

No she was one of the first two, the one that her lawyer read her statement on tv.

Posted by: robtr at November 08, 2011 12:45 PM (MtwBb)

That explains it.  Credibility problems.  I knew that when one of the accusers was said to have an "Ivy League degree" that there was that non-sequitur for a reason.  I knew that they had credibility problems.  I just assumed it was because their accusations would be unprovable and patently ridiculous stuff like "leering" or vague "innuendo" or maybe saying "sweetie".  Stuff that would end up sounding silly when you say it out loud.

By the way, for those who think that 1997 allegations (after he left the restaurant association) couldn't have been politically-motivated, don't forget that Cain was already a figure of revulsion among Democrats for his pwnage of Clinton in that healthcare townhall.

121 HOLD   FAST

122 Cain will want to see if Newt comes up "this high."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 08, 2011 12:16 PM (UlUS4)

LOL!

123 Cain stepped hip deep with knee-high waders, and its his own fault.  He could have stopped this cold (presuming he's innocent) last Monday or Tuesday, and he didn't.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 08, 2011 12:48 PM (8y9MW)

It doesn't change what happened, it does change who started the smear and if it was Obama it will help us in the long run, maybe not Cain.

124 don't forget that Cain was already a figure of revulsion among Democrats for his pwnage of Clinton in that healthcare townhall.

I sincerely doubt it.  He may have been "a figure of revulsion," but he was also "just some CEO" and therefore a member of a class already thoroughly demonized.  Not saying it couldn't happen, but it's less likely.

125

You know what I love about AoSHQ?  The fact that you can post a thousand comments on a thread, and then hit the "Back" button once, and you're right back on the main screen.

Up-twinkles to you Ace, my good man!

126 Cain stepped hip deep with knee-high waders, and its his own fault. 

In large part, yes.

He could have stopped this cold (presuming he's innocent) last Monday or Tuesday, and he didn't.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 08, 2011 12:48 PM (8y9MW)

No.  That's a fallacy.  They were going to bury him.  Even if he crushed allegations #1 and #2, the others were going to come.  He would not be able to stop it.

127 Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 08, 2011 12:51 PM (8y9MW)

Dang it.  Posted that 9 minutes early.

128 I cannot imagine Obama having anything to do with this at this point in time. After Cain wrapped up the nomination, sure. But now, no.

129 Posted by: AmishDude at November 08, 2011 12:52 PM (T0NGe)

Remind me of this post in 8 minutes and I'll respond.  But I'm trying not to talk about this anymore this morning.  I'm also hoping if we keep it down some, ace won't go on a posting binge again.

130 "Fear of Newt on Blog-Team Romney" at Legal Insurrection.

131

@114 Posted by: Astroturf AssholeRod

I know! I know! I know!!! [waves hand in the back of the classroom and waits... kinda... to be called on]

132 I wouldn'y be in a hurry to change formats, Ace. What would we do without that handy list of dead MuNuvians on the sidebar?

133

Rassmussen has gone way left after the 2010 elections. I don't subscribe to him so I can't see his internals but today he is polling Obama's popularity to the left of NBC which has 13% more Obama voters than McCain Voters and 10% more democrats than republicans.

Posted by: robtr at November 08, 2011 12:40 PM (MtwBb)

Fox News probably told him if he wanted to keep the paid regular appearances up, he'd have to get with the program. FNC has slithered to the left, too. Then again, it would be silly to underestimate the stupidity of the American electorate, so that might be the problem

134 I cannot imagine Obama having anything to do with this at this point in time.

After Cain wrapped up the nomination, sure. But now, no.

Posted by: Dave at November 08, 2011 12:52 PM (Xm1aB)

Ha that's funny, you were making a joke right?

135 After Cain wrapped up the nomination, sure. But now, no.

Premature enscandalation then?  It happens to most guys once in a while.

136 I sincerely doubt it.  He may have been "a figure of revulsion," but he was also "just some CEO" and therefore a member of a class already thoroughly demonized.  Not saying it couldn't happen, but it's less likely.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 08, 2011 12:51 PM (8y9MW)

If you worked for him and were a lib, you would be acutely aware of his position. I'm not saying the national Dem party targeted him, I'm saying that the accusers would have been happy to take the opportunity.

137 120 No far-left political leanings evident in her, huh?

Okay, the only thing I'm saying on Cain for... at least the rest of the morning.  Central Time.

 Unless you have direct evidence indicating she's doing this for some benefit to her, stop with the innuendos- either Cain did it, or he didn't, and blaming those accusing him isn't going to help (even if you're right).

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 08, 2011 12:48 PM (8y9MW)

Oh I see, so Cain is guilty until he can prove he DIDN'T do it.

Really slick? And how does one prove a negative?

Oh and, the accuser is innocent until someone can prove Cain DIDN'T do it?

So the burden of proof is on the accuser?

I'll bet you miss those gulags don't you comrade?

138 I don't care if ace goes on a posting binge as long as they don't involve Cain. Hell, I'll take a movie review (or two) at this point.

139 106 Can't stream at work.  How have they been doing?

The reactions from Twitter indicate Perry and Romney did well* but I honestly didn't watch. Romney also made what will prove to be controversial remarks about the allegations against Cain-"These are serious allegations and they are going to have to be addressed seriously."

_{*I don't know about the others except for Bachmann's Mt. Rushmore answer}

140 If nothing else, it's a pleasure to watch Newt skewer the media.  He's a sharp, well spoken guy, no doubt.  I'd love to watch him debate Obama.  That would almost be worth putting him in office for.  And to Newt's credit, he's kept it classy so far.  No vicious hits on other candidates.  He's directing his fire to the MSM and Obama.  I like that....Reagan commandment and all.

141

Ha that's funny, you were making a joke right?

Posted by: robtr at November 08, 2011 12:54 PM (MtwBb)

Obama, no.  The various slimy Dem operatives tied to Soros, oh yes.

142 Posted by: Astroturf AssholeRod at November 08, 2011 12:54 PM (lLeix)

5 minutes.

143 Karl Rove jumps the shark

144 @136 No joke.

145 91 Obama 44%, Perry 35%...

Honestly, I don't get it.  I just do not get it.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 08, 2011 12:34 PM (T0NGe)

 

I think this is primarily due to the fact that after seeing and hearing sufficiently from Rick Perry, a large number of voters have concluded that (to be perfectly blunt) he's a dummy.

Democrats, Independents, and even Republicans don't want a person who reminds of them of GWB.  They want someone who is smart, articulate, and conservative.

It appears the man who best fits that description now is Newt.

 

146 Gingrinch - is that who "Ace" is supporting this week?  And when the media turns it's assassins on Gingrinch...where will "Ace" go?

147 If we're destined to be stuck with an establishment insider I'd rather it be Newt.

148 Figuring out just how old your BOYS should be before you give them the same advice.

It is no less terrifying and painful for a child to endure, be it a boy or a girl, but I suspect that the aftermath is significantly different. My guess is that a boy is feels the need to suppress it rather than reveal it.

149 And when the media turns it's assassins on Gingrinch...where will "Ace" go?

3rd look at T'Paw?

150 Gingrich is not much better than Romney.

We are in a critical fiscal crisis, I'm not the Grinch's fan by any means, BUT he is better than Romney, in that he has shown he has the nads to stand up and make hard cuts in the budget and get the damn thing balanced. Seems like he was the last one to make that balanced budget miracle happen. That's not just a feather in his hat, it's the whole damn peacock, while strutting. Yeah he has a lot of RINO in him, and says things on occasion that makes me want to punch him in the face, but overall beats the crap out of Romney on that point alone. He not only knows how to get it done, he's done it.

151 117 Gingrich is not much better than Romney.

Posted by: Vic at November 08, 2011 12:48 PM (YdQQY)

That's the most enthusiastic endorsement I've received yet!

152

Newt: If its a philanderer, lets takt the competent one!

Gingrich 2012

153 Yeah, I have to admit, Newt's finest moment was shutting down the fucking government. He just didn't keep it closed long enough so he's a RINO.

154 "Rush got hold of the same Chicago news report on Bialek's background that Levin aired last night.  It ain't pretty.  I'm sure it's just some vast, right-wing conspiracy.

Posted by: RushBabe at November 08, 2011 12:29 PM (tQHzJ)"

I think the path to destruction is broad and traveled by many.  I do not think an accuser's background having a child paternity issue means they are whores who can't accuse folks of harassment.

In fact, I suspect a lot of women have great instincts and avoid creeps and harassment, and also have sterling backgrounds, and a lot of women make a series of mistakes.  So Bialek's 'background' doesn't conflict with her claims.

We all know what this really is.  This is the ruination of her character because she is now the 'enemy'.  We should be very, very careful about that.  That's one of the things that always ticked me off about Clinton's circle.  Any girl who came along and was the fourth or whatever accuser would be called trash.  Or deranged stalker, or whatever.  And of course, their lives are badly affected for it.

Why should that be?  Because Cain is popular?  I think we should be more gentle about it.  What if she's telling the truth?  What if there is some truth to these multiple settlements, too?  What if Cain's time away from his wife led him to make some human mistakes?  If that's the case, we don't want to convince the country that the hard right is just as zealous as the hard left.

Haven't you taken pride in how great the Tea Parties are compared to the occupy kooks?  How we don't cross the line, how we don't hate, how we are reasonable?  Let's be careful.

155

So independents seem a strong predictor of where the overall country is.

but according to a certain commenter on here, they're myths! wtf?!/sarc

156 Isn't it time for a lizard in the White House? Vote Newt 2012!

157

Please don't change the look of this site Ace!

Yeah, 'cause when people come up behind me, they think I'm reading something deadly serious.  If they only knew.

158  Unless you have direct evidence indicating she's doing this for some benefit to her.....


Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 08, 2011 12:48 PM (8y9MW)

Oh you mean like her original payoff?

“Those complaints were resolved in an agreement with her acceptance of a monetary settlement,” Bennett said. “She and her husband see no value in revisiting this matter now, nor in discussing this matter further, publicly or privately. In fact, it would be extremely painful to do so.”

Or the further benefit to Obama and what ever political operative's ball-sack she happens to be currently tonguing? 

159 In my opinion, Newt is better than Romney.  He is a compromise for me, on many issues.  He's made several mistakes.

But Newt is worth supporting if the alternative is Romney.

I strongly prefer the less slick but more accomplished Perry.  However, I think Newt's heart is in the right place, and he's smart, and we sure could do a lot worse.

160 I think this is primarily due to the fact that after seeing and hearing sufficiently from Rick Perry, a large number of voters have concluded that (to be perfectly blunt) he's a dummy.

There was a time in America where common sense and accomplishments were valued much higher than glibness and a silver tongue.  There was a time when we didn't seek out ubermensches to rule over us.  There was a time when we associated such features with politicians (a derogatory term) and corruption.

That time is past, I suppose, give us Benito!

161  
145 Karl Rove jumps the shark

Dick Cheney would eat its liver after ripping off its face.

Rove is a pussy.

162 JohnnyColdcuts/Mustard'12

163 Ace, re the layout, there's only one change I would like to see but, frankly, I love the site as it is. We don't come here for high-design.

It would be great if there were a bit of horizontal format to the posts that didn't suppress a relatively new thread further down the page. I'm picturing something like a bar across the top with links to the most recent posts. I bet it would cut down on OT comments and allow those who would like to discuss a particular topic to remain current. I hate posting a comment and then finding out it was a dead-thread.

164 ACE don't you DARE ever slickify or glitzify our headquarters.

We do NOT want our hangout to be one of those damn places with white-satin upholstery where we gotta worry about staining the furniture with dribbled bacon grease or spluttered coffee.

Really.

165

We all know what this really is.  This is the ruination of her character because she is now the 'enemy'.  We should be very, very careful about that.  That's one of the things that always ticked me off about Clinton's circle.  Any girl who came along and was the fourth or whatever accuser would be called trash.  Or deranged stalker, or whatever.  And of course, their lives are badly affected for it.

When there's no evidence to support a person's claim his or her background and past is always going to become an issue.

166 49.Probably the biggest problem with a Cain nomination is that all the voters who decide the election--you know, the Independents, the occasional voters, and the cretins--will confuse "Cain" with "McCain."

They don't follow politics and they'll think they're just voting the same ballot they voted three years ago.

Really. They're that stupid.

I don't know sparky, this Independent voted for McCain last time, which in hindsight seems a lot smarter than the socon hissy fit strategy of not voting at all.

167 WABC radio is reporting Paterno is out.

168 I don't care if ace goes on a posting binge as long as they don't involve Cain.

Hell, I'll take a movie review (or two) at this point.

Posted by: Dave at November 08, 2011 12:54 PM (Xm1aB)

Saw Outlander with that Caviezel(sp?) guy (from Passion of the Christ) in it last night. Missed even seeing the trailers for it when it was in theaters, if ever it was...pretty good flick. My wife even liked it, despite a bit of blood and gore. Space aliens, some kick ass Vikings and big slathering nasty critter eating folks left and right. Good stuff.

169 Mike The Moose

Yeah, I'm a jerk cause I'm down on your beloved college sports fantasy thingee.

How long have you been out of the game, living on past glory (or something like that?)

Time to put Brucie Springsteen's Glory Days on your Close'N'Play and calm the F down...

170 This is the ruination of her character because she is now the 'enemy'.

Gloria Allred.

171 144 Posted by: Astroturf AssholeRod at November 08, 2011 12:54 PM (lLeix)

5 minutes.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 08, 2011 12:55 PM (8y9MW)

Did you finally stop beating your wife?

172

And independents, by 50-40, say Obama does not deserve a second term.

That is why we aren't going to vote Mitt in either.

173 "I cannot imagine Obama having anything to do with this at this point in time.

After Cain wrapped up the nomination, sure. But now, no.

Posted by: Dave at November 08, 2011 12:52 PM (Xm1aB)"

Obama did this before, and it happened before the nomination.

To be honest, I agree with you and think this is just an organic issue for Cain that was bound to come up, and really is coming up so Allred can have a payday.

174 Cain Gingrich beat Obama? That remains to be seen, but the real question is cain Obama go one day without sucking. So far the answer is no.

175 We do NOT want our hangout to be one of those damn places with white-satin upholstery

We could afford to replace the urine-stained couch though, dontcha think?  Maybe get a new leg on that cardtable.  And those frayed wires on the lava lamp worry me.

176 Whatever Cain did or didn't do - he didn't sit on that couch with Nancy. I would have had a better opinion of Newt if he had been pinching some botox versus supporting her green position.

177 @170 Great, you've ruined ace's 2,000 word review of that movie by neatly summarizing it. Thanks for nothin' pal.

178 Karl Rove jumps the shark

Allred adds credibility? F* you Karl.

179 "Gloria Allred.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 08, 2011 01:03 PM (T0NGe)"

That is a reasonable reply (not being sarcastic).  I have a very hard time taking this person seriously, and her affiliation with Gloria is reason #1.

Still, there are ways to explain that that do not sound like 'all these women accusing Cain are whores and trash'.

180 OT: Federal court orders trial on Texas redistricting

AUSTIN, Texas (AP) — A Washington-based federal court on Tuesday rejected Texas' request to approve new political districts without a trial.

In a brief ruling, the court agreed with the U.S. Department of Justice that the GOP-led Legislature used an improper standard for determining whether the new districts discriminate against minorities. The order clears the way for a trial.

181 I hope the site format doesn't change. That includes all the broken links in the sidebar, the new comments thingy, everything. This site's like interacting with the past, especially when the boss makes a new post that one of the cob-loggers covered a couple of days prior.

182 No.  That's a fallacy.  They were going to bury him.  Even if he crushed allegations #1 and #2, the others were going to come.  He would not be able to stop it.

See, here's the thing, I see roughly 3 ways he could have handled this and come out (relatively) clean.  Two indicate he's innocent (or relatively so) and the third... you'll see.

1) Go full belligerent (okay, stay diplomatic, but you know what I mean).  Issue a flat denial- or at least one that says "reasonable people" would not agree that you'd sexually harassed anyone, and then say you will not address the issue further until the accusers let themselves be known and provide specifics.

2) Come completely clean: admit the instances that they're claiming, and give your side.  Explain why you don't think it rose to the level of sexual harassment.

3) Admit & Embrace:  Say, "Yes, it happened, I was ashamed of it then and I'm ashamed of it now, if I could go back in time and make it better, I would.  I cannot, however.  So I will do what I can do- and what I can do is continue to try to steer this great Country back on a course of solvency and self-sufficiency."  (Or something)

Now, #3 crumbles when someone says he sexually assaulted her.  #2 could go either way- but I'd be more inclined to believe him when he denied it.  When someone has been truthful with you previously, you tend to believe they're being truthful with you later.  #1 Would hold up pretty well under the sexual assault charge- repeat the denial, and demand proof.

The main problem that Cain is running into (aside from his constantly shifting stance on the problem, the fact he tried to deflect attention to a political rival, and the fact he tried to use the Race Card) is that he allowed it to remain "accusation = proof."  He needed to say, "Hey, as the accused, here, I demand to see any evidence of my wrongdoing.  And you can't provide any because I didn't do it." 

And, yes, #1 would have to be nuanced enough to take into account the settlement/agreement with that first woman, but that's not an impossible line to walk.

183 A little fumigation at the HQ wouldn't hurt either.  We have a mega-cockroach that comes out for the late-night threads.

184 Yeah, that gal hiring Allred makes me question her credibility just like Bachmann hiring Ed Rollins made many of us question hers.'

185 I am amazed that so many people continue to believe that Obama isn't a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.  I think it may have something to do with who SCOAMF surrounds himself with.  These people are such sychophantic, ass kissing intellectual no loads, that SCOAMF looks like a mental giant by comparison.

186 WABC radio is reporting Paterno is out.

I hope it was of his own volition. I hope he didn't attempt to defend his actions.

187 Still, there are ways to explain that that do not sound like 'all these women accusing Cain are whores and trash'.

Posted by: Dustin at November 08, 2011 01:05 PM (rQ/Ue)

Worst than whores and trash:  Nutjobs, attention seekers, and political operatives. All neatly herded by someone......

188 Is Pence jumping back in?

189 Ace, this site was good enough for 1997, and, darn it, its good enough for today.

Keeps out the whippersnappers and their dang rap music.

190

Question:

If Cain were a candidate in the Dem nomination (pretend it is 200 would you who are supporting him....have supported him?

Or would you have said.....FOUR!! Of COURSE he is guilty.

I would really like to know.

191

Obama, no.  The various slimy Dem operatives tied to Soros, oh yes.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 08, 2011 12:55 PM (T0NGe)

Yeah whatever but I am perfectly fine with the evidence we have saying Obama did it and letting him prove he didn't. That is the standard these days right ?

192 I hope it was of his own volition. I hope he didn't attempt to defend his actions.

Posted by: What Now?! at November 08, 2011 01:07 PM (piMMO)

I got the impression from the report that it was not his choice and that the university is firing him.

193 Rubin says: "There isnÂ’t any right or wrong, there isnÂ’t any conservative or liberal. ThereÂ’s only what will work best for _____________ ."

Pretty rich for a Romney supporter to be filling in that blank with Newt.

194

There was a time in America where common sense and accomplishments were valued much higher than glibness and a silver tongue.

 

Those things need not be mutually exclusive.  Since the emergence of the radio as a popular medium, communications skills have been necessary for the Presidency.  Being able to think on one's feet is also a requisite skill for the Presidency nowadays. 

 

195 Oy vey, they say he's got to go, go go Newt Gingrich....

196 190 Is Pence jumping back in? Posted by: Jean at November 08, 2011 01:07 PM (WkuV6) Boy, wouldn't that be a game-changer. Too late to register for NH and IA, though.

197 JOEPA IS OUT?  Shame it had to end this way if it actually ended today.  I have had the opportunity to meet Joe P several times and was amazed by how much he cared for his players and his knowledge of the game of Football.

198

Whatever Cain did or didn't do - he didn't sit on that couch with Nancy

Nope, thats right. Cain comes up with gems like "gun-control is a states right" all by himself.

199 I got the impression from the report that it was not his choice and that the university is firing him.

Does he get that what he did was wrong? He DOES GET that what he did (or didn't do!) was WRONG. Right?!!

200 188 WABC radio is reporting Paterno is out.

I hope it was of his own volition. I hope he didn't attempt to defend his actions.

Posted by: What Now?! at November 08, 2011 01:07 PM (piMMO)

I would hope he isn't the only one

201 Ace, I'm a regular reader but I don't comment very much. I agree with Allen G. This place is fine just the way it is. And Obummer is a SCOAMF.

202

Whatever Cain did or didn't do - he didn't sit on that couch with Nancy

Maybe Newt was high? 

203 Ugh.

This Paterno thing is beginning to give me the creeps. It's feeling a bit like an "I was only following orders" kind of bullshit defense.

204 I understand the people who look at the allegations and see that there must be "something" there, otherwise why would there be all these coincidences at random. But the reason I don't think it's fair to call Cain's supporters tin foil hat maniacs or anything, think of the following we've seen in the past few years and tell me that the Left is above finding high-profile people to lie through their teeth for no more benefit than political gain for their favored candidate (i.e., there need be no money motive): -Valarie Plame -Journolist -Dan Rather/Memogate It's all in the Alinskyite literature (http://tinyurl.com/7taw9x9), and I've met lots of otherwise regular folks who buy right into this.

205 So, will Roman Polanski now be welcome at Penn State games?

206

170....Saw Outlander with that Caviezel(sp?) guy (from Passion of the Christ) in it last night. Missed even seeing the trailers for it when it was in theaters, if ever it was...pretty good flick. My wife even liked it, despite a bit of blood and gore. Space aliens, some kick ass Vikings and big slathering nasty critter eating folks left and right. Good stuff.

Yep. Really good movie. .....I saw it on prem-channel TMC about six months ago. Its amazing that this movie was totally ignored when it came out. 

It even has the prerequisite liberal theme of 'taking a planet that doesn't belong to you'.....like the theme in Avatar.

207 Ace, this site was good enough for 1997, and, darn it, its good enough for today.

Keeps out the whippersnappers and their dang rap music.

I, for one, disapprove of the entire twenty-first century.

208 184

You forgot option 4.
He could come out of the closet.
He could say he's been living a lie all these years, but now he feels so liberated.
He could say that because of that, he'd never hit on a woman - it would never occur to him. He'd then apologize to his wife and family and friends, to their great understanding and support. The middle would love him, the LGBT community would love him, many libs would love him.

He'd then go on to sweep the primary and win in a landslide.

209 The Bleacher Report already has up a list of Top 5 replacements for Paterno.

210

which, geeze, I really need to do one of these days.

Tweak not that which needs no tweaking!

211 Oh, and on the redecorating front.  Don't change a thing.  You know that we will trash the place regardless of how it looks.  Do not allow us to have nice things because we'll just bust them.

212 Great, you've ruined ace's 2,000 word review of that movie by neatly summarizing it.

Thanks for nothin' pal.

Posted by: Dave at November 08, 2011 01:04 PM (Xm1aB)

Sorry! I'll try to be more longwinded next time.

213 Death by a thousand duck nibbles. A bimbo a week. I doubt they have more than six or seven total.

214 " Nutjobs, attention seekers, and political operatives. All neatly herded by someone......

Posted by: Astroturf AssholeRod at November 08, 2011 01:07 PM (lLeix)"

Well sure.  I don't see the nutjob angle, but I do see the financial one, obviously.  Allred is no friend of the Tea Party, but she is a friend to the dishonest who seek a payday, and she is a friend to the left.

And that is worse than an accuser being trashy.  The 'trashy background' angle does Cain no good.  In fact, it does him harm and does his accuser harm at the same time, because it reduces everyone and is totally irrational.

The real question is why, of all the million lawyers in the country, did this person settle on Allred.  My guess is that she didn't choose Allred.  Allred wanted this case and investigated, pushed insider pals, paid staffers, until finally she found one of these accusers, and paid her too, and then did what she does: made a big show and sprinkled on the gross sleaze like she always does.

That is pure speculation on my part, but just noting this is an Allred operation is enough to get every reasonable person's eyes rolling.

215 Hell, I wish Cain HAD sat on that couch with Pelosi. It would have been more entertaining when he shoved one hand up her dress and the other down her blouse. Way more entertaining than Salamander.

216 Posted by: Astroturf AssholeRod at November 08, 2011 12:54 PM (lLeix)

First off: Politically speaking: absolutely.  You and I may not like it, but it's true.  Suck it up and start living in the real world.

Lesson one of political crisis management: "Get out in front."  If Cain never did anything (or, at least, nothing that anyone reasonable would call sexual harassment) he should have said so from the beginning and demanded evidence of the accusations.  If he never did anything, they wouldn't be able to provide proof.

The problem here is that Cain himself had 4 different versions of his story just on the first day.  Then he tried to deflect attention from the scandal to a political rival, and then played the race card.  Those are all things that make fairly reasonable people believe you're guilty.

In fact, based on his behavior (just as though I were looking at, say, Anthony Weiner's behavior, or Stephen Chu's, or even that Governor of SC who got caught philandering) I would say this:  His behavior makes me believe that, at least while a powerful CEO of a large Trade Organization/Lobbying Organization in Washington, DC, Herman Cain was a serial womanizer.  I do not think he attempted to rape anyone, but I can completely see how a womanizer who thought he had "bought" a woman (upgraded room, nice diner and drinks, ride home) would try to put the moves on her physically, and then run off with his nose in a sling when she said "no."

Now, this would not hold in a court of law.  Indeed, if ever viewed strictly that way, I could only agree with you- there is no proof of his misbehavior.  The sad fact is that a political campaign is not a court of law, and the court of public opinion does assume guilt until innocence is proven.  As any number of modern court cases (which were thought to be "slam dunks" but were then found "not guilty") could show.  Casey Anthony, anyone?

217 Mike The Moose

Yeah, I'm a jerk cause I'm down on your beloved college sports fantasy thingee.
How long have you been out of the game, living on past glory (or something like that?)
Time to put Brucie Springsteen's Glory Days on your Close'N'Play and calm the F down.

Never played on a college team there buddy. There isn't any money in it unless you are the top 1%; and I never had an innate interest in playing sports while I was in college.

But to think that the Academic side of the college house does not tolerate misbehavior by the professors is laughable. Or at least so Doctor Amy Bishop informs me.

So yeah taking an incident that happened on the Athletic side of the house and using that to paint the whole of the Athletic community as a rogue element when the Academic side has the *exact* same issues; Yeah that makes you a jerk with a vendetta. 

218 BTW,  I assume most of you saying 'don't change the site' are joking.

I love this blog, but come on.  It needs some help.  I am sure the reason it's not technologically cutting edge are 100% understandable, but it wouldn't be a bad thing to improve if possible.

219 Yeah, that gal hiring Allred makes me question her credibility

Karl Rove says the exact opposite.  Having Allred on board increases her credibility.

220 217 Hell, I wish Cain HAD sat on that couch with Pelosi. It would have been more entertaining when he shoved one hand up her dress and the other down her blouse. Way more entertaining than Salamander. Posted by: maddogg at November 08, 2011 01:13 PM (OlN4e) Dude. It's lunchtime on the East coast.

221 Perry >>>>>>>> Gingrich > Santorum >>>>>>>>>> Romney >>>>>>>>>> Buddy Freakin' Roemer >>>>>>>>Bachmann >  Huntsman > Paul >>>>
Cain (but only if you put a gun to my head)

222 @220 Grumpy old unhappily married drunks don't need any improvement of this site. We like it just the way it is.

223 220
it could be changed/updated and still maintain the same "look" that he's built equity into.

If you'd call it a "look".

224 Is Pence jumping back in?

Posted by: Jean at November 08, 2011 01:07 PM (WkuV6)

I wish! But, given the way the primaries are set up and timed, I don't see how Pence or anyone else could realistically still get in. A deadlocked convention is the only way we'd end up with someone not currently in the field and that's unlikely bordering on impossble, too.

225 Rush - Codify
Drink!

226 So yeah taking an incident that happened on the Athletic side of the house and using that to paint the whole of the Athletic community as a rogue element when the Academic side has the *exact* same issues; Yeah that makes you a jerk with a vendetta.

It's all a toilet bowl, proof once again that collectives are never pretty...

I'm not angry, but you sure are.  Gut check time, buddy...

227 So newt has significant gains and everyone else has potential problems. Where is the newt is a fucking clueless climatic change gimp piece?

228 I assume most of you saying 'don't change the site' are joking.

No.  We're not joking.

229 So, is Rush really on ace's shit list or was that a comment magnet?

230 I am sure the reason it's not technologically cutting edge are 100% understandable, but it wouldn't be a bad thing to improve if possible.

16-bit color is a fad!  A fad, I tell you!

CGA was good enough for your grandma and I, and, dang it, it's good enough for anybody!

231 220 BTW, I assume most of you saying 'don't change the site' are joking. I love this blog, but come on. It needs some help. I am sure the reason it's not technologically cutting edge are 100% understandable, but it wouldn't be a bad thing to improve if possible. Posted by: Dustin at November 08, 2011 01:14 PM (rQ/Ue) Like I said, it needs improvements under the hood, like making it easier to post URLs and harder to screw up HTML formatting when you post an article, as well as weeding out the dead links in the sidebar. The actual page, though, is perfect because everything is right up front and my theory of organization is "put it all in a stack and root through the stack when you need something." (And I'm guessing Ace is like that too.)

232

The real question is why, of all the million lawyers in the country, did this person settle on Allred.  My guess is that she didn't choose Allred.  Allred wanted this case and investigated, pushed insider pals, paid staffers, until finally she found one of these accusers, and paid her too, and then did what she does: made a big show and sprinkled on the gross sleaze like she always does.

She contacted the other ladies lawyer first.

She was asked that and when she started to answer...if she was the one who reached out to that other lawyer....Allred wouldn't let her answer.

233 BTW,  I assume most of you saying 'don't change the site' are joking.

I love this blog, but come on.  It needs some help.  I am sure the reason it's not technologically cutting edge are 100% understandable, but it wouldn't be a bad thing to improve if possible.

Posted by: Dustin at November 08, 2011 01:14 PM (rQ/Ue)

*spitsinabucket*

Hey boy, are you one of these interior design queers?

234 So, is Rush really on ace's shit list or was that a comment magnet?

Posted by: Dave at November 08, 2011 01:18 PM (Xm1aB)

he's (Rush) in and out of my shit list constantly

i'd reccomend to ace to step back and take him in doses, it helps

235 Generic Repub > Sanatorum > Perry > Gingrich > Cain (assuming no real scandal) > Huntsman > Buchanin > Paul

Romney = Obama Not even a gun to my head will make me vote for him.

236

It even has the prerequisite liberal theme of 'taking a planet that doesn't belong to you'.....like the theme in Avatar.

Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at November 08, 2011 01:12 PM (ZQK1u)

Yeah, that tearful little anti-war speech was a bit mushy, but then he had to go right back out and start critter hunting again, so it didn't bother me much. :-)

237 Oh and way off topic but  The Slimes is reporting that Joe Pa is on his way out (as in "days or weeks"). The was inevitable.

238 I think post-deduplication technology would be good to add. But yeah I hate that "magazine" style. Don't rip that off from HA. Newt is smart and funny and he knocks it out of the park on debates. But he lacks executive experience and he's got plenty of messiness in his background. But I would be good with him as VP. And as DH in the debates for whoever wins. Also, as noted before. Not technically too late for Palin to enter the race.

239 Sandusky victim has come forward....

http://tinyurl.com/6ugj4ps

240 Another Sandusky victim has come forward....

Fixed.  They already have several.  I'm wondering if this is the specific then-10-year-old they were looking for yesterday.

241 Personally I like that the blog is so f'd up. Gives it a certain charm.

Like the night when someone blew up the ONT by posting all the scrolling names and hash tags. Such god times.

242 Another vote for "no" on changing. Right Wing News is one I don't go to after a "snappy, snazzy" upgrade. Power Line almost killed theirs off.
Look, I want to read most if not all of the story and scroll down to the next. If I want headlines, I go to Drudge. I hate video--20 minutes to get what I could read in 3? No thanks.

243

GenericRepublican>Romney/Perry

Gingrich>Bachmann

Santorum>Paul/Johnson

Hunstman>Piece Of Crap>Obama

244 "Like I said, it needs improvements under the hood, like making it easier to post URLs and harder to screw up HTML formatting when you post an article, as well as weeding out the dead links in the sidebar. The actual page, though, is perfect because everything is right up front and my theory of organization is "put it all in a stack and root through the stack when you need something." (And I'm guessing Ace is like that too.)

Posted by: joncelli at November 08, 2011 01:18 PM (RD7QR)
"

That sounds good.

I don't mind if they play around with some changes.  The headline thing  has always been a great idea.  The overnight thread has been a nice feature I don't see on other blogs.  They don't necessarily have to be scrolling instapundit style presented, IMO.

"Hey boy, are you one of these interior design queers?

Posted by: Elize Nayden at November 08, 2011 01:18 PM (P/F96)"

I was poor and in college.

245 Like the night when someone blew up the ONT by posting all the scrolling names and hash tags. Such god times.

I plead the fifth.

246 The part I like best is when the MSM blows the dog whistle and seeing which ears go up.

247

Oh come on now, Allred's main statement for the client that she wants to 'help' Herman Cain.....all that is is PROOF that the whole thing is a lie.  That statement had to be made to protect Allred and her client as that is all that needs to be done to keep Cain from persuing liable charges.  When you are a political figure you have to show the woman intended to cause harm.  Allred knows that and so she has the client lie and tell the media that far from harm, she wants "to help" Cain.

If the charges were true, then there would be no need to protect from the 'cause harm' portion of liable.  Obviously, Allred knows the charges are false so she had to stand the table on this leg.

248 Seriously you guys are saying that Outlander film was good? Saw it on Syfy which should tell you everything you need to know the other night. Awful.

249 Romney = Obama Not even a gun to my head will make me vote for him.

Posted by: Fire with Fire at November 08, 2011 01:20 PM (lcwvr)

Either you're an ass or you'll respond to this:

(1) Romney's administration will be largely Republicans.  Obama's second term will be All Van Joneses, all the way down.

(2) Judges.

250 Will this place now change from "Perry for President HQ" to "Gingrich for President HQ"?

251 215 Death by a thousand duck nibbles. A bimbo a week. I doubt they have more than six or seven total.

Posted by: SurferDoc at November 08, 2011 01:13 PM (STdkO)

My experience says it will be a baker's dozen.

252

From the moment I scored a 3 on the Apgar test I've been a true conservative patriot.

My purity of conservative ignorance has led me to support a Gingrich-Cain-Cain-Gingrich candidacy.

First and foremost, punks, we need a D.C. outsider for the top of the ticket.  We're anti-establishment.  Rush Limbaugh told me so.  Well, folks, in his 20 years in Congress nobody, I mean nobody, fought harder against the D.C. establishment than Newt Gingrich.

The next most important thing in choosing our nominee is a track record of true conservative executive accomplishments.  Newt's track record speaks for itself.  Hell, while that vaccine pusher Perry has been vacationing down in Taxes Newt's been fighting in the trenches, writing books, lecturing to college kids, shopping at Tiffany's. 

Next we need someone who can beat Obama.  Even I can figure out the November general election is more important than the primary and I'm literally retarded.  Folks, Newt's a political juggernaut.  Hell, back in the day Newt had so much political juice he never even bothered attempting a run for governor, for U.S. Senator, or for the presidency; that sort of thing would have been unfair to his opponents.  Since Newt has been out of politics entirely for over a decade his appeal to the public has gotten even stronger. 

Gingrich-Cain-Cain-Gingrich, '12.  Nut up or shut up!

253
CAC@11:
Bach..er...Perr...er..Ca..Gingrich ! The NOT-ROM!

There's actually a brand-new website called NotMittRomney.com .
Might want to check it out!!

254

217 Hell, I wish Cain HAD sat on that couch with Pelosi. It would have been more entertaining when he shoved one hand up her dress and the other down her blouse.

He could have easily felt both by reaching to the floor.

255 I ask again, how long until there is an outbreak of the plague at the OWS sites?

http://tinyurl.com/7z3wyr8

256 I plead the fifth.

Ha! Was that you?!

257 Fixed.  They already have several.  I'm wondering if this is the specific then-10-year-old they were looking for yesterday.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 08, 2011 01:22 PM (8y9MW)

Here's the info at the link:


The individual, now in his 20s and living in Lycoming County, contacted state police at Montoursville Sunday after learning about the charges against Sandusky, said Lt. David Young, commander of the criminal investigation section at Troop F Montoursville.

The man had remained silent about the alleged incidents that occurred in the early 2000s, not telling his parents or authorities, Young said. The man alleged acts similar to those alleged against Sandusky in the statewide grand jury presentment, but Young declined to provide specifics.

At the time, the individual was involved in The Second Mile children's charity founded by Sandusky, Young said.

Information the man provided investigators has been sent to state police at Rockview because the alleged incidents occurred in Centre County, he said.

258 You shouldnt change the design ace. Its good enough to get you a whole ass of sycophantic epub comments, so it should be good enough for the moron-nation.

259 JWF, really? Plaid?  Just kidding, congrats, your site is very easy on the eyes.

and go Newt.

260 Why is it Republicans get sex scandals without any sex?

Throw me a bone here!

261 With all due respect that's not the point. He allowed a child rapist to stay free and rape some more. Football has nothing to do with this. Posted by: nevergiveup

How did he do that?  I read that when the behavior was reported to  him he advised his superiors and that the guilty party had already left. If you are saying he should have contacted the police, I have mixed feelings since what he heard was hearsay.

262 Seriously you guys are saying that Outlander film was good? Saw it on Syfy which should tell you everything you need to know the other night.

Awful.

Posted by: blaster at November 08, 2011 01:24 PM (7vSU0)

Yep, sure am. Honestly, I only stopped on it when channel surfing (I generally try to avoid all things SyFy too, but they didn't make this movie, thank goodness, just showed it) because I thought it was the old Sean Connery sci-fi flick Outland which is also a damn good movie.

263 CGA was good enough for your grandma and I, and, dang it, it's good enough for anybody!

CGA? Dam hippy Monochrome works just fine.

So Mama don't take my Monochrome away.

264 I represented a high school coach who was accused of molesting young boys over a 20 year period. Unassuming guy, "happily" married to a very nice (yet clueless) woman, 2 grown kids, church deacon, etc. He wasn't happy when I told him he would probably die in prison. So, he fired me, hired a big-city, high-priced attorney. And he's still gonna die in prison.

265 Yes, it is too late for anyone new to get into the primaries. The last date for that in SC was Nov 1. They can still get in the race itself though. The date for that is March 2012.

266

(2) Judges.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 08, 2011 01:24 PM (T0NGe)

This!

267

Throw me a bone here!

That's what she said.

268 But if you class up the joint I'll feel terrible about dropping poop and porn jokes all over your nice layout...

269 Didn't Ace already sorta-kinda have a 'new' site at one point? Remember, the one with the you tag-related hilarity?

270 @264 soft bigotry of low expectations then. Viking wench should have been hotter. Alien remarkably indestructible up until the point it really counts. Stupid commie plotline about taking the planet. I can keep going.

271 Ha! Was that you?!

It started out innocently enough. I posted a scrolling tag. Then someone else posted a scrolling tag. Then we started playing with flashing and bold and colors and then someone forgot to close the hash tags. Then...the entire page started scrolling and the only way you could comment was by waiting for the comments box to scroll by and rapidly clicking on it and typing a few letters before it disappeared again.

The funniest thing about it was the folks who were freaking the hell out because it was interfering with their ability to post important boobeh and kitteh stories. I mean, seriously pissed.

Hilarious.

272

Perry > Gingrich > Cain > Huntsman > Johnson > Paul > Romney > Bachmann > Santorum

This order is based primarily on their respective allegiance to the Tenth Amendment, with the libertarians (Paul/Johnson) docked a few points for their foreign policy problems. 

Santorum is dead last, and it has nothing to do with his gay stuff - the guy just hates federalism and so I say fuck him.

273 Obviously, Allred knows the charges are false so she had to stand the table on this leg.

Possibly.  And that would have helped if Cain had already "cleared the air" of the other 2 charges.  See, then Cain could have said something like, "Look, I've already addressed the two actual incidents.  They didn't happen as advertised; there is no "there" there.  Now another woman suddenly appears with notorious gold-digging lawyer Gloria Allred and accuses me not of more "sexual harassment" but now of full on sexual assault.  You will excuse me if I start looking for the chains linking these accusations.  Ms. Allred- produce proof of your clients accusations, or recant."

Unfortunately, he didn't address the first two head-on, so now everything looks like damage control.  And it doesn't matter if he's as pure as the fresh-driven snow.

274 He wasn't happy when I told him he would probably die in prison. So, he fired me, hired a big-city, high-priced attorney. And he's still gonna die in prison. Posted by: Dave at November 08, 2011 01:27 PM (Xm1aB) You would think they'd separate out the child-diddlers in prison. So many of prisoners were molested themselves that it's essentially a slow-motion death sentence.

275 Didn't Ace already sorta-kinda have a 'new' site at one point? Remember, the one with the you tag-related hilarity?

The first time I came in to find that everyone in the thread was cursing me out, I had not idea what I had done!

276 But if you class up the joint I'll feel terrible about dropping poop and porn jokes all over your nice layout...

Hang back for about ten minutes and we'll Christen the joint for you.

277 How did he do that?  I read that when the behavior was reported to  him he advised his superiors and that the guilty party had already left. If you are saying he should have contacted the police, I have mixed feelings since what he heard was hearsay.

Posted by: kansas at November 08, 2011 01:27 PM (mka2b)

According to Mary Katherine Ham, Paterno had a legal obligation to report it.  Although, again, if hearsay, I'm not sure that that still holds.

278 Will this place now change from "Perry for President HQ" to "Gingrich for President HQ"?

Has it been pro-Perry since Perry stumbled? Maybe there've been positive posts since then but I don't really remember anything positive about anyone.

279 @ 251 Romney = Obama Not even a gun to my head will make me vote for him.

Posted by: Fire with Fire at November 08, 2011 01:20 PM (lcwvr)

Either you're an ass or you'll respond to this:

--- Ok I will.

Romney will destroy conservatism and govern just like Obama just at a slower less in your face down your throat manner. A shit sandwich is a shit sandwich no matter how it is served.

Romney will not have all these wonderful repub/conservative advisers as you say, He uses the same advisers as Obama SEE Romneycare/Obamacare.

Romney himself has stated the liberals really want him in office, this to a group of liberals! His previous governance supports that statement he made to that audience.

Romney will not pick conservative Judges, Bork as an adviser is a bone for appearance. Romney supports abortion, don't listen to his words look at what he supported and produced in the past, it wasn't pro life, ergo he will appoint pro abortion judges which means, liberal judges.

I am not an ASS, I judge people on what they have done not what they say. A wise man does the former a fool does the latter, what are you?

280 How did he do that?  I read that when the behavior was reported to  him he advised his superiors and that the guilty party had already left. If you are saying he should have contacted the police, I have mixed feelings since what he heard was hearsay.

It was hearsay that could have been cleared up with a visit to the child's home.

281 Make this minor tweak to the site and it's perfect.

282 Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 08, 2011 01:30 PM (8y9MW)

I think you're living in a fantasy world regarding what will and will not kill a story the media wants to run with.

283 Although, again, if hearsay, I'm not sure that that still holds.

Last I had heard, the cops had confirmed that Joe had not violated any laws in his handling.  Apparently handing to the AD and then never following-up is sufficient in the eyes of the law.

284 Still there:  http://www.ace.new.mu.nu/

285 Has it been pro-Perry since Perry stumbled? Maybe there've been positive posts since then but I don't really remember anything positive about anyone.

Posted by: Heorot at November 08, 2011 01:33 PM (Nq/UF)

It's been very depressing and angry on all of my regular sites since Perry stumbled.  If Perry rebounds, I predict a dramatic rise in gratuitous boobeh posts.

286 Newty toot toot!

287

BTW - Ace don't do math?

Hint: Gingerich improved by 21 pts

Gingerich was trailing by 27 pts

288 Is Pence jumping back in? Posted by: Jean at November 08, 2011 01:07 PM (WkuV6) Boy, wouldn't that be a game-changer. Too late to register for NH and IA, though. Aren't the early states proportional, thus meaningless, except for momentum? Lets say IA is a mess, Romney gets NH because no one else cares. And going into SC there is no clear Romney alternative - is the door open or Ryan/Pence/Sarah/Rubio/ the FatMan/DeMint/Babour to jump in?

289 It's all a toilet bowl, proof once again that collectives are never pretty...
I'm not angry, but you sure are.  Gut check time, buddy...

This is the second time you've come in with terminally stupid analysis; blaming all of athletics for a problem that has completely different roots. You are angry, angry at jocks. I have no idea why, but it causes you to irrationally demonize the athletic institutions.

290 Hoiman Gain's and JoePa's reputations are now in the dumpster.  Fair?  Who knows?  How the game has always been played?  For sure.

Can you protect yourself?  Only up to an extent.  If you never did anything wrong, that's no insulation against a false accusation you cannot totally disprove.

Once you step into the arena, it's all on the line.  Rules are out the window...

291 According to Mary Katherine Ham, Paterno had a legal obligation to report it.  Although, again, if hearsay, I'm not sure that that still holds.

He had a MORAL obligation to report it. Hell, did he ever even go back and inquire as to what had been done with the report?

It sounds as if he brushed it off and went on with life, secure in the knowledge that he had dutifully reported it to the proper college authorities.

That is shameful.

292 Romney will not pick conservative Judges, Bork as an adviser is a bone for appearance.

So, judge Romney's bad points on what he's done and said, but when he does and says something good, it's just a ruse.

Yeah, you're an ass.  And you're part of the sphinx caucus who bravely goes on blogs and message boards telling us you'll take your ball and go home if we don't do what you say.

Fine, then, vote for Obama.  Be an ass, officially.

293

Newt? .....Really?

I mean, I love the guy for his ideas......but he quit his last elective office under a cloud of scandal. ....You think the media will give him a pass on that?

We will have to listen to a constant stream of  "Quitter quitter" crap if he is the nominee.....plus a re-hash of all the stuff that led up to his quitting.

Bill Clinton would probably do ads for the DNC sneering about how Newt was boinking a woman who was working under him....while giving him shit for doing the same thing.

Newt would get torn to shreds in the general. ....It would be painful to watch.

294 I think you're living in a fantasy world regarding what will and will not kill a story the media wants to run with.

Oh, the media may still run with it- you're right that he can't control that.  But handled properly he's no longer the "creepy-older guy preying on young women," he's the "politician accused of wrongdoing by unsubstantiated rumors."

And I tend to think that, in face of that, they would drop it.  They'd try to find something else, then, but they'd drop that particular line of attack.  Probably.  If he'd handled it well.

295 How did he do that?  I read that when the behavior was reported to  him he advised his superiors and that the guilty party had already left. If you are saying he should have contacted the police, I have mixed feelings since what he heard was hearsay.

Posted by: kansas at November 08, 2011 01:27 PM (mka2b)

According to Mary Katherine Ham, Paterno had a legal obligation to report it.  Although, again, if hearsay, I'm not sure that that still holds.

What do the state laws say? From what I'm hearing it seems that if you 'suspect' child abuse to be happening, you have to report it to the police. So it does not have to be confirmed, just a suspicion of abuse is all it takes.

296 From what I'm hearing it seems that if you 'suspect' child abuse to be happening, you have to report it to the police.

Usually it's just that you have to report it to "the authorities."  So reporting to his AD technically covered his requirements.

297

By the way, for those who think that 1997 allegations (after he left the restaurant association) couldn't have been politically-motivated, don't forget that Cain was already a figure of revulsion among Democrats for his pwnage of Clinton in that healthcare townhall.

Posted by: Michael Mann, Climate Scientist, Penn State University at November 08, 2011 12:49 PM (T0NGe)

Oh, knock that stupid shit off. You're going to tell me a low-level, nobody--a person who may be no more than someone inclined to vote Democrat--is going to make up sexual harassment charges against Cain back in 1997 in revenge for something that happened three years before? Jebus tap-dancing Christ that is stupid. 

Do you even pause to think how stupid that is, that these people were still pissed at Cain over 1000 days later? Enough to falsify charges against him? Just lying in wait for 3 years to frame him? Or maybe, just maybe: Cain might have did or said something offensive? Which makes more sense?

In the Cult of St. Cain, it has to be these crazy Democrat bitches all lying in wait to catch the black man, even if they had to wait over 1000 days to do it.

298 I'd vote for Newt. We already know what's baked into that pie, so why not?

Or is it time for a second look at Dick Cheney?

299 Romney would be to the US what Arnold was to CA. He'd put us over the edge and attach the "conservative" brand to the fall.

I'm starting to get into a nihilistic mood.  I don't have it in me to try and manufacture optimism and support for a candidate like Romney. McCain was once too many.

300 If Joe worked with MINORS (ie, not 18 years old) he had a LEGAL OBLIGATION to report it.  Of course, the person who reported it to him had the same obligation if his work description included working with kids...

301 295 Romney will not pick conservative Judges, Bork as an adviser is a bone for appearance.

So, judge Romney's bad points on what he's done and said, but when he does and says something good, it's just a ruse.

Yeah, you're an ass.  And you're part of the sphinx caucus who bravely goes on blogs and message boards telling us you'll take your ball and go home if we don't do what you say.

Fine, then, vote for Obama.  Be an ass, officially.

Way to cherry pick from my response, selecting a person is not an action to a result. It is little different than making a statement. Tell me what has Romney actually DONE showing conservative principles. He has a huge record of governing, show me his conservative side.

I see Romney AS a vote for Obama so show me how Romney has actually performed something to indicate differently. Picking Bork is no different than a cereal company picking an athlete plugging the brand, it is a false appeal, in this case to a celebrity / authority.

Again what CONSERVATIVE actions has Romney actually demonstrated?

302 130
I cannot imagine Obama having anything to do with this at this point in time.

After Cain wrapped up the nomination, sure. But now, no.

Disagree. We perceive this as an attack on an individual, and find it  unreasonable to conclude that Obama benefits from attacking an individual now when it appears to be more potent against the individual at a later time.

Actually the attack and the war is against the GOP and conservaties and a successful attack on one of them is a successful attack against them all. The Donks need to suppress the GOP vote. And this is the first phase of a longer program to do so. They want you to ultimately throw up your hands and stay home. This time you can't. Whoever we get, we will have to drag the stinky bloody carcass across the finish line and celebrate our new majority in the Senate.

303 And I tend to think that, in face of that, they would drop it. They'd try to find something else, then, but they'd drop that particular line of attack. Probably. If he'd handled it well.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 08, 2011 01:37 PM (8y9MW)

Nope. Especially for Cain, inasmuch as nothing about him is "old news" which other politicians can lean on.  He couldn't possibly win with this.

304

Seriously Newt does have all the skill sets in place. Cain lost points with me not for the accusations but more for the debate with Newt. I think a hearty Gingrich/Cain 2012 is in order. Besides with ocs going on Newts last name should drive the kiddies crazy!

Newts campaign slogan : Let Gingrich put the RICH back in America and tell the Democrts to keep the change!

305 OK, I'm gonna say it.
I never saw the magic with Herman Cain.

1. That "dressing down" he supposedly gave Bill Clinton over HillaryCare that everybody swoons over? I watched the video of it. It was OK, but not that great.

2. The humongous gaps in his knowledge ("neocon," "right of return," etc.) -- which are especially glaring given that he's been a conservative talk-show host for however many years. WTF?

3. For a while his "directness"/"frankness"/"freshness" captivated even me. So I got the free sample of his latest book on my Kindle, with the intention of waiting to buy the whole book until I saw how much I liked the sample. Here's the deal: It was an entertaining enough read, but the self-absorbed preening and prancing and self-promotion had creeped me out by the time I got to the end of it. And that was just the sample. No, I didn't purchase the book.

The contrast with Rick Perry's book and Newt's books, which stay focused on principles and ideas, could not be greater.

Don't get me wrong. There's a place for personal stories. Many politicians and business execs write books that use their personal story -- which, after all, we do want to hear about -- to show us how the lessons they learned through their own experiences have formed their philosophy about how the world works and have thus become core convictions about how to govern (or run a business). This is why I thoroughly enjoyed Bobby Jindal's book (and recommend it highly) and to a lesser degree, Tim Pawlenty's book.

But Cain's (at least the little I read) was way too much bluster -- enough of it that I decided I couldn't make it through a whole book of it without getting seriously annoyed.

306 Esquire's profile of Newt, linked to by Rubin. No doubt, the guy has had a shambles of a personal life.

But Obama for all appearances is a fine husband and dad, yet he's still an incompetent SCOAMF.

For all his failings, I can't help but think that Newt, if given the opportunity, would wield the Presidency with effectiveness, humility and historical perspective

307

In the Cult of St. Cain,

Knock off your own stupid shit.  Everybody who disagrees with you is a cult member who can't think for themselves.  Didn't want Cain anywhere near the race.  I think all the not-Romneys are fully unnominatable except Perry and Cain was doing a disservice by being the frontrunner because I knew he'd stumble.

But no, I'm a cultist.  That makes you feel better, doesn't it?  This way, you can just use Alinskyites as your own tool for advancing your cause.  Well, sorry if that makes me a little skeevish.

You're going to tell me a low-level, nobody--a person who may be no more than someone inclined to vote Democrat--is going to make up sexual harassment charges against Cain back in 1997 in revenge for something that happened three years before?

No.  I'm saying that they hated Cain anyway and were perfectly happy to ruin his reputation because he was an enemy.  Plus, since the charges were filed a month after he left the association, it was easy to ensure that he wouldn't defend himself.

A little unprovable charge here, an accusation there, convince a friend to go in on it and, all of a sudden, you get a healthy payoff to go work for Holder.

Of course, a lot of this depends on the specifics of the charges, which we still haven't seen yet. I mean, we know who one of the women is, can we at least know what she accused Cain of?

308 For all his failings, I can't help but think that Newt, if given the opportunity, would wield the Presidency with effectiveness, humility and historical perspective

Posted by: Arms Merchant at November 08, 2011 01:50 PM (hW3KZ)

I don't.  Newt has this desire to have people tell him he's brilliant.  He likes programs, ideas, etc. that sound great in the boardroom and he's lukewarm as to whether they succeed.

Better than Obama? By leagues, but one thing that Newt is not is humble.  Not by a longshot.

309 "So, judge Romney's bad points on what he's done and said, but when he does and says something good, it's just a ruse."

That is largely how I feel about it.  Romney had a chance to nominate folks to the bench.  He nominated a heavy majority of liberal democrats and Roe V Wade supporters (in my opinion, no matter your view on abortion, Row V Wade is a litmus test for bad jurisprudence).  Romney also said he thought Roe was "good law".

In many ways, his view of what is acceptable for the government to do is very, very liberal.  Ban guns.  Tax guns $100 a piece.  Force folks to buy health insurance even if they want you to mind your own business.  The list is actually pretty long, and Romney's poor choices in nominations are one of many examples.

So in 2007 and after, he has attempted to show this isn't an accurate reflection of Romney's views by things I do interpret as ruses and dishonesty.

Perry has also appointed folks.  Including judges upon occasion, though they are typically elected in Texas.  Great judges.  The first black Texas judge on our highest court, and the best thing is he wasn't selected because of his race, but because he really was the best man for the job.  Not a drop of racism or reverse racism in there.  TX is way ahead of the north east on culture in this way.  Perry doesn't need this slick crap.  He just needs to do the job properly.  He couldn't be reelected repeatedly unless he did the job right, no matter how slick he is.

I will vote Romney vs Obama in the general.  Folks have to understand just how bad Obama is.  A much more intelligent and centrist liberal, who has business experience (Romney) is superior to Obama, and worth a vote, though I honestly can't tell people I believe in Romney.  I can't campaign much for him as a matter of personal integrity, but I would just campaign for congressional candidates instead.

I'd much rather nominate someone with a record proving I can believe in them, and campaign for them.  I wish Perry was able to convince the GOP his record means something.  It sure does to me, but I'm not like most voters.  We want JFK and George Clooney and ubermench (as someone mentioned above) to lead us.  It's unfortunate.  When we value slick over performance, it's no surprise performance suffers and bullshit piles high.

310 When all is said and done,  one year from today, I'm voting for whoever the GOP picks against Obama. 

311 When all is said and done,  one year from today, I'm voting for whoever the GOP picks against Obama.

Yep...

312

130, 305

Re: Why would team Obama want to take out Herman Cain now....rather than in the general election?

Because it puts us in a box.

If we defend Cain against these allegations.....then we are "evil R's sticking up for a serial harrasser".

If we don't defend Cain.....then we are "evil racist R's who believed unproven sexual harrassment charges against a candidate because he's black". 

We are screwed either way, whether we defend or don't defend Herman Cain. .....Unless someone can come up with some proof of....something.

313 On the various issues. 1. Please don't change the format. a big fat THIS to every single comment above begging the same. I like scrolling down. I hate the "magazine-style" format. HATE IT! 2. I agree with Dustin at 12:59 3. Newt. I'm okay voting for Newt. The Newt/media showdown would be awesome. Newt at least understands he has to defeat the media as well as Obama. 4. I believe that the some of 40% who think Obama deserves a second term are people like my Dad. He believes 100% that even if someone else was in office, we would be in exactly the same economic situation. Exactly the same.

314 Fire with Fire,
I totally see your point.
But, oh, I gotta admit I was impressed with his picking the awesome Robert Bork. And equally impressed that Bork would accept the position.
Then, in this last week, I find out Romney's named Dr. Walid Phares, whom I adore, as an adviser on Middle East stuff.
I'm a Gingrich/Santorum gal and can't stand Mitt Romney.
But if we do get stuck with him, at least people like Bork and Phares will make it easier to pull the lever for him.

315 "Re: Why would team Obama want to take out Herman Cain now....rather than in the general election?"

Why did Obama do that to Jack Ryan?  He ran against a weaker competitor in the general.

What if Obama thinks Romney is the perfect opponent, because he knows he can smear him, but he also knows Romney is vulnerable to a third party attack in a way Cain and Perry aren't, and he knows Romney has that flip flopper thing that proves very powerful in recent general elections?

Romney has all the problems John Kerry and Bob Dole have.  He has a lot of slick, but ... Obama may think he can compete on that level and win on all others.  He may think the best scenario is to fail to offer Americans a distinct choice between ideologies, since that typically favors the incumbent.

But ultimately, this scandal against Cain seems organic.  Too many accusers.  Too known by insiders.  It was going to come out.  There need be no conspiracy for that to happen, and many politicians would wisely just sit there and let it happen on its own, rather than actually be linked to it.

316 Can you protect yourself? Get a "-(D)" after your name, tools.

317 Uh Oh.. Gingrich is gaining on Mitt Romney!
...let's see... what can we do about that now...hmmm..
I know!  String of baseless innuendo and anonymous claims from 'victims' of some _'alleged' SEXUAL MANHANDLING AND DROOLING BY NEWT GINGRICH!!!eleventy! in 3-2-1

318 Can you protect yourself?

Get a "-(D)" after your name, tools.

Worked like a charm for Weiner...

319 @ 317 hmm didn't know about Phares, mostly because I don't follow Romney.

I will admit if he picks a solid conservative transition team and announces a solid conservative pre-staff line up, I might...might reconsider my opposition to him IF he is the last man standing.

320 "But, oh, I gotta admit I was impressed with his picking the awesome Robert Bork."

And let's make no mistake.  Romney is an effective centrist and would probably pick other smart people.  Some lefties, some righties, often impressive people.

Even in MA, Romney picked some people who were very impressive, IMO.  But ultimately, it didn't matter.  Romney was trying too hard to do what worked in the polls, and failed to make MA better.  He should have gutted spending.  MA faced a crisis of ridiculously high spending.  Instead, he gave them an entitlement program that is now bankrupting the state.

Romney is not a dumbass.  He's also not a leader.  He is going to make impressive connections and show them to us, but if he's president and there's a hard path the nation needs to get on (indeed there is) he will not do it.  There's no chance.

A measurable improvement over Obama, who is an ineffective centrist.

321 Worked like a charm for Weiner... Yeah, I couldn't believe that one, either.

322

Romney will not pick conservative Judges, Bork as an adviser is a bone for appearance.

Please explain how Romney managed to trick that "bone for appearance" into supporting him.

 

323 "Please explain how Romney managed to trick that "bone for appearance" into supporting him.

 

Posted by: Reggie1971 at November 08, 2011 02:06 PM (b68Df)"

That's a good point.  As is Romney's ability to convince Flake to support him.

Perhaps they have figured that Romney is more electable, and therefore they can influence Romney for the country's benefit if they jump on board? 

Or perhaps they really think Romney is the right choice in this election (I have such a hard time getting that).

324 Please explain how Romney managed to trick that "bone for appearance" into supporting him.

Can't speak for Bork, but some people are slavishly invested in something they have decided to believe in.  Ask Mike The Moose...

325 Romney is an effective centrist and would probably pick other smart people. I can't see Romney rocking the yacht. He will manage to keep the entire system afloat- barely- until it's time to hand off to the next Demo.

326 @ 325 Advisers advise, that is all. Nothing says a person has to take the advice. Remember Bush and the Miers fiasco?

I am still waiting for someone to explain WTF Newt was thinking getting on that couch with Pelosi. That seems even more outlandish than Bork accepting an adviser position naively with Romney.

327

326

Anyone who knows Robert Bork knows that he is nobody's fool and is extremely principled.

 

 

328
Rubin won't say which of these attacks are fed to her by Romney, but by refusing to say, she seems to concede that some of them do.

I'm going to apply Obama's Razor and conclude that all of them are fed to her by Mittens.

329 330

326

Anyone who knows Robert Bork knows that he is nobody's fool and is extremely principled.

I agree and I can easily see Bork supporting Romney believing he is the most likely candidate to be elected and therefor having the opportunity to influence a president to help our country as best he can.

Do you think Bork would pass a chance to advise even Obama given the chance?

330 I am still waiting for someone to explain WTF Newt was thinking getting on that couch with Pelosi

Bipartisanship!  The media's one true (made up, phony) value.  The same people who are afraid nanoparticles will turn all of creation into a homogenous grey goo (bad) want that to happen to politics (good)

It's all political bullshit, all the way down...

331 To all the people who say "I'll vote for whomever our nominee in Nov. 2012."

Well, that's all very nicey-poo, but your one little vote ain't gonna cut it. The only way we can beat the criminal ObamaMachine -- which will stop at nothing, and whose 2012 antics will dwarf the fraudulent, violent and illegal activities of their 2008 campaign -- will be with absolutely unprecedented GOP get-out-the-vote efforts. We will have to win by a real margin of 20 percentage points in order to win by 5 "official" percentage points. We will have to beat their machine by a landslide on the ground in order to squeak by with a razor-thin win in the final results. Republicans will have to volunteer in numbers and with commitment that, frankly, we have never seen before.

I just cannot imagine that happening if Romney is our candidate. The base is simply not going to make that extraordinary effort for Romney. And without superhuman effort, we cannot beat the Obama Machine. They will manufacture millions of votes out of thin air. That's what they DO.

I spent thousands of dollars I shouldn't have and thousands of hours of my time volunteering in the campaigns and elections of 2008 and 2010. I consider myself part of "the base." I for one can say I will happily make that effort for Gingrich, Santorum or Perry. (Or Paul Ryan, if he were to change his mind!) I cannot say the same about Romney. And I'm guessing "the base" contains millions of people like me.

NotMittRomney.com

332 Posted by: AmishDude at November 08, 2011 01:50 PM (T0NGe)

Alright, so you're not in the Cult of St. Cain. There are some it applies to but not you. But, it is still stupid as hell to cast about for a conspiracy on this. It's Kos-level kookiness.

There is no conspiracy. And this "well look who they work for" "follow the money" etc. is no better than foot-stomping temper-tantrum hoping it will all go away.
It's not our job to make it go away--it was Cain's. And he fucked it up and keeps fucking it up. Because he is an amateur who has no damned idea what he is doing. A "C" guy who hired "F's" so he could still be the smartest guy in the room. (Remember the "don't talk to Mr. Cain unless spoken to" memo?)

I get it. The same "politics of personal destruction" works with the left. They do it to our guys over and over. Joe the Plumber makes the JEF look bad and all of a sudden they're digging out his tax records and forcing us to talk about that instead. And so we're sorely tempted to adopt what works for them.
But, it doesn't and will never work for our side: 1) we're no good at it, come off all ham-handed and sloppy, 2) our hearts are not in it, we're better than that and we know it, 3) it is wrong.

333 Well, then, it's all settled.

Paterno technically reported the purported rape of a child to his authorities.

I'm glad he has been found to be in no way responsible for the man remaining free and working amongst children.

Whew!

That was a close one.

334 Jimmuy, you said it all, man...

335 Can you protect yourself?

Get a "-(D)" after your name, tools.

Worked like a charm for Weiner...

If he twit a pic of the dick you must evict.

336 Ya Romney profile in courage working hard to get the vote from people on the right. http://twitter.com/#!/Bret_Baier/statuses/133884644335693826

NOT!

337 Can you protect yourself?

Get a "-(D)" after your name, tools.

Worked like a charm for Weiner...

If he twit a pic of the dick you must evict.

For a while, it hinged on the media's assertion that it was Gennette Cordova's assertion that it was not Weiner's, uh, dick...

338 Not as a slur to Flake and Bork, whom I respect, but Romney had most of the endorsements in 2008 as well (though not from his peer governors).

He also raised the most money, showing he has the support of many wealthy folks (I don't raise that as some kind of stupid class warfare point).

Romney is, was, will be the best connected candidate.  Perhaps even in the GOP's history.  His roots are deep.  Both his parents have run for high office.  He's got dozens of other politicians in his family tree.  At least one of his kids, and one sibling also have run for high office.  And I mean high office, not state legislator.

We should grant that Romney has the best endorsement package.  If that matters the most, I guess he's the best choice.  I'm not sure it matters.

His foreign policy adviser team is longer than the Pentagon's.  It's like a club.

I would rather look to the man's record and see what I can see about this man's decisions.  When in MA, did Romney go the path of Chris Christie, railing against a government that is far too bloated and intrusive and ineffective?  No.  That would have taken leadership.  Instead, Romney negotiated heavily to win the center.  Romneycare, for example.  Give the left what they want, but in a version that is supposedly less liberal.  Or "Strong gun control" but a version that somehow saves the right from what the left really wanted, but yeah, steadily marches state policy to the left.

It's not leadership.  and it never works out for the right.  The MSM is too powerful for a centrist slick politician to lead to the right.

Yet despite Romney being the exact opposite of Chris Christie, he's got Christie's support!

We need to realize this party is not just a club of pure principle.  Connections and foundations and deals matter in politics.  That's what makes it politics.  That's why Romney is not flipping burgers, but rather is running for President in the GOP despite a record that would be suitable for a center left democrat politician, and shares more aspects with Ted Kennedy than Ronald Reagan.

339 Bork's approval, Christie's approval, those are all bets that the GOP is again going to go with the "it's his turn" approach.  And they are probably right.  What's that worth?

340 "Posted by: Militant Moronette  at November 08, 2011 02:14 PM (F0o5k)"

You are 100% right.  Romney has a serious problem with the 'base'.  He is tremendously vulnerable on both his left and right flanks if he's the general election nominee, and the democrats already started fake tea efforts in 2010.

What's to stop Obama's billion dollar campaign from funding some conservative third party candidate?  Principles? 

I agree with you that Romney is a lot less electable than the polls indicate.

While I personally would support Romney in the general, I just don't think he will get that kind of support from all the conservatives out there.  We can't underestimate just how unsettling it is for many Tea Partiers to support Romneycare so soon after Obamacare.

So if Romney's #1 credential is electability, this is a reason to pause and reconsider.

341 If we go with the "it's his turn" candidate, we lose. Historical fact.

How dense must Republicans be to keep forgetting, over and over and over, who our candidates were in every presidential election we have lost in the last 40 years?

342 "It's his turn" is an establishment value.  I don't have any love for the GOP establishment, but what are the outsiders (like Hoiman Gain) doing for us?  Nothing good right now, for sure...

343 Though I'm not sure why I even both criticizing Romney.  We all get it.  None of us are voting for him.  He's got a few token fans, but there is no real persuasive force coming from them.

It's fun to bash the guy, but the real issue here is who will we support?  Who will we unify around to beat Romney?

Cain?  There are so many reasons that is not the right choice.  For one, he actually likes Romney too much.  He's not qualified, either.

Newt?  Newt's heart is in the right place.  He's knowledgeable. He's got every ounce of Romney's political skill, and then some.  He's more conservative, though I have reservations about that too.  He's made some bad and some iffy calls.  But he's an acceptable compromise

Perry?  Perry has a great record. 90-95% conservative.  He's a lot smarter than he's being credited as, and than he looks to those who only saw him in the debates.  He's lacking in political skill, but I think in a general election he's got the clearest justification for saying "I can do this job" and "I can make your country a better place" and the simplest response the inevitable smear machine "but jobs".   Also, the general is light on debates and heavy on ads and interviews and appearances, favoring Perry's skill set a lot more than the primary seems to be.  Furthermore, all governors are ambitious to be President.  Tell them that if they balance budgets, they will earn something valuable politically.

344 Just to confuse the Cain issue a bit more, I read today (I think it was on INstapundit), that Ms. Broderick tried to get Gloria Aldred to take her case to get more publicity, and the honorable Ms. Alred refused. Since her schedule permitted her to represent the accuser of Meg Whitman and Cain, she just might have ulterior motives. BTW, I vote for no new changes to the Ace site. why fix what is not broken.

345 87 All hail that newest freshest Not-Romney. The idea of voting for Newt makes me want to projectile vomit. Almost all of the other Not-Romney's are better than this fucktard. Posted by: Bob Saget hates Mitt at November 08, 2011 12:40 PM Outstanding use of logical arguments there.

346 I hate that magazine-style layout. Hate it. I hope the trend dies a screaming death soon.

347 Rassmussen has gone way left after the 2010 elections. Posted by: robtr at November 08, 2011 12:40 PM (MtwBb) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Might be trying to regain some credibility after blowing it completely on a number of races in the 2010 elections, and over-reacting.

348 If Gain's 5 pm presser is not an announcement that he realizes he's too damaged to continue, then the rest of the primary season will be poisoned and wasted, and we WILL have to vote for whichever undesirable wins the nomination.

349 140 I don't care if ace goes on a posting binge as long as they don't involve Cain. Hell, I'll take a movie review (or two) at this point. Posted by: Dave at November 08, 2011 12:54 PM (Xm1aB)

Too late

350 I appreciate having the MSM and many commenters trying so hard to convince everybody that only Romney is electable, and to not worry about him being a Dem, and to not be afraid of him because "backbone Boehner" will keep him in line, but please GIVE IT UP, because I saw what happened with McCain, and do not want to relive it. Also, yesterday on the NRO blog, Fred Thompson wrote an article that said the nasty tricks played on him when he ran, were traced to an operation research team hired by Mitt Romney. So, I am firmly in the Perry for President club.

351 220 BTW, I assume most of you saying 'don't change the site' are joking. I love this blog, but come on. It needs some help. I am sure the reason it's not technologically cutting edge are 100% understandable, but it wouldn't be a bad thing to improve if possible. Posted by: Dustin at November 08, 2011 01:14 PM (rQ/Ue) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Improvements ? You think that childish re-design at JWF would be an improvement for Ace ? Not a chance.

352 237 Generic Repub > Sanatorum > Perry > Gingrich > Cain (assuming no real scandal) > Huntsman > Buchanin > Paul Romney = Obama Not even a gun to my head will make me vote for him. Posted by: Fire with Fire at November 08, 2011 01:20 PM (lcwvr) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ So you are telling me that Obama - and his entire administration full of liberals plus another 4 years of liberal appointments - is not worse IN ANY WAY than Mitt Romney ? Really ? Give me a fucking break. Anyone that acts on that opinion is an asshole.

353 Also, the idea that Santorum is the best of that bunch is insulting.

354 @274
Perry > Gingrich > Cain > Huntsman > Johnson > Paul > Romney > Bachmann > Santorum

Perry >>> Gingrich >>> Bachmann > Santorum > Huntsman > Romney > Johnson >>> Paul

355

Gingrich > Romney > Cain > Perry....I won't bother with the rest.

 

356

346 Though I'm not sure why I even both criticizing Romney.  We all get it.  None of us are voting for him.  He's got a few token fans, but there is no real persuasive force coming from them.

 

And oddly enough Romney leads in the polls.  Imagine that

357 By "persuasive force' do you mean that they/we don't festoon every single thread with childish nicknames for Perry, Cain, etc. until the whole place looks like it's run by a Kos Kid with Tourette's? 
"Mittens", "Mutt", 'Oromney", now that's some persuasive shit right there. 

358

I like the look of Ace of Spades. It's retro in the same way that my brother-in-law's 1997 Buick is retro. Good things don't need to change.

359 Thanks to Jammie Wearing Fool, which on Monday moved to a new location, and also adopted one of those professional looking magazine-style looks, which, geeze, I really need to do one of these days.

Fuck that shit! Don't get me wrong, I like him as a blogger. But, I hate that magazine style where you have to navigate away from the main page to read anything. It reminds me of one of the things I used to hate about newspapers (the printed ones). All the good stories would start on the front page, but then you would have to go inside to read the end. What a PITA. At least they had the excuse that they could only fit so much on the front page, so they had to break up the articles so the could let more of them get some of that front page real estate. But that makes no sense on the internet, or at least much less sense. You just make your front page scroll longer.

One of the things I like about this site is you do not have to navigate away to read the posts. Even if you decide to stick part a post under the fold, you set it up so that clicking the "Continue Reading" link just expands the page you're on instead of sending you off to another page.

You want to change something? How about a preview feature for the comments. Now there's some change I can believe in.

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