1 Newt's Tea Party speech at NYC City Hall in 2009 was amazingly good.

2 Looking forward to the Newt/Cain 'debate'.

3 WNN?

4 Might as well. It's a new month, after all.

5 Did Cain go up or down?

6 Why Not Newt? At least he knows the President of Ubeki-stan stan stan stan

7 You can't keep that crazy bastard down.

8 No matter what, we just can't get into Romney, can't we?

9 Newt's daughter clearing him on the cancer-divorce smear is a big factor for me. I feel like a dick because I believed that lie and had repeated it several times over the years. I'm such an idiot -- I thought his wife had died because the story had been about her on her death-bed. But I was too lazy to ever check the story. I still am pissed about the Pelosi global warming bench ad, but I'm feeling guilty about Newt these days

10 Now its time for an NYTimes exclusive on a racist rocl...err harrasment alleggations...err ok he once slapped an ananomous girl in college.

11 RAPE!  RAAAAAAAPE!!!!

12 Rising in the polls just like the rising in my pants when I got to sit so close to that babe, Nancy Pelosi!

13 Anyone but Romney must be slimed...much like McCain..until the general election.

14 But, I've taken every position possible, how can this be?

15 He's only had three wives, one at a time. Better than Mormons, right?

16

I trust Newt to be a patriot. He understands the problems we face. I think he has the strength to not back down to the left. I think he can debate Obama, and Romney can't debate Obama IMHO.

17

Rasmussen: Now Gingrich Rising?

Egg-cellent.
*rubs hands*

18 I'm back like cancer, baby!

19 Hell yeah I can support Newt.

20 Does Newt still believe the Ryan tax plan is right- wing social engineering?

21 told ya the Newt story was crap...

22 Newt's daughter clearing him on the cancer-divorce smear is a big factor for me. I feel like a dick because I believed that lie and had repeated it several times over the years. I'm such an idiot -- I thought his wife had died because the story had been about her on her death-bed. But I was too lazy to ever check the story. I still am pissed about the Pelosi global warming bench ad, but I'm feeling guilty about Newt these days Posted by: Clubber Lang at November 03, 2011 04:52 PM (QcFbt) That was debunked years ago also but since nobody really liked Newt, nobody payed much attention. Right now he is my candidate and I can't believe I would ever say that and that I would ever support a guy named Newt

23 Fred! tells a few tales about campaign hit jobs (at NRO). 

Days after I got into the presidential race in 2007, I was greeted with a website, “PhoneyFred.org,” described in the media at the time as an “anti Fred Thompson smear site.” You couldnÂ’t really tell who was behind it, but we learned of it from the DNC, which made ample use of it. We assumed that they had created it. However, a reporter at the Washington Post (of all people) decided to find out who was behind the site. After a lot of effort, she traced it to an executive of TTS Strategies, a South Carolina consulting firm run by J. Warren Tompkins, one of the most notorious hardball political operatives in the country.  
....
In 2007, he was running Mitt Romney’s campaign in South Carolina, where Mitt was behind the rest of us in the polls. Of course, when confronted, both Tompkins and Mitt were “shocked” to learn that a rogue employee (who ran Tompkins’s office) was running such a website (out of the office), and the site was taken down immediately. One of the more benign and amusing things the site accused me of was being a “flip flopper.” I kid you not.

24
Newt's good to have around because he keeps the ideas flowing.

25 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

26 WNN? He doesn't nap during debates.

27 I told Romney's campaign that Newt fondled my balls when I was 8 years old.  When do I get paid?

28 I want Newt to recant his global warming bullshit before I'll vote for him in the primary.

29 Well, shit.  This wasn't the way it was supposed to work.

I mean, uh, my thoughts and prayers are with Herman during this trying time....

30 Everything's coming up Newt, baby!

It's the summer winter of Gingrich.

Other Seinfeld reference!

Not quite a Seinfeld reference...

NEWT!

31

A lot of you folks think Perry is soft on illegals. Check out eye of Newt

This gets very little press because Fox is a big supporter of amnesty.

32

None of them are perfect.

None of them are the St*ttering Cl*sterf*ck Of A Miserable Fail*re that Obama is.

33 Sorry to break this news, but Newt is never going to be president.

34 Stare deeply right here.

35

WNN? He'd slice and dice SCOAMF like a Ginsu commercial.

I swear to God, I'd pay whatever to see those debates!

36
But Intrade has Obama up by 20%!!!!!!




_{I love that new poll-thread smell.....}

37 RIPLEEEEEEEEEEY!!

38 Sorry to break this news, but Newt is never going to be president.

Heh.  Neither is Obama.

39 It's like GOP Survivor and Newt is that crazy bastard, Russell.  Outwit, Outplay, Outlast.

40 As for Newt, the reason that he's second on my list (albeit distantly behind Perry) is that he has actually fought toe-to-toe with Dems at the national level and prevailed.  He knows DC and could get some things accomplished.

41 The one thing about Newt- for all the past problems and personal stuff - the debates would be a glorious nuclear ass kicking. That's no small matter since it's Obamas best hope to create doubts about the GOP nominee. If he places well in Iowa or NH this could get fun.

42 I got better.

43

Newt is the only candidate willing to engage in arguing against the left's ideas, not just their inane policies.  And he has political savviness so that he won't get railroaded in DC.  I'm all in for Newt. 

44

Cains and Gingrichs and everybody else means = 77% not for Romney. Seeing as how Romney was never able to  get past 25% in support even with robotic debates, big money and pandering then we can tell a good chunk of Reps dont like him.

With Perry's statements that he is attacking Mittens that WILL drag Mittens down even more then someone be it Gingrich, Perry..... will rise and make Romney cry in the corner.

45 These really are my choices....huh? Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 03, 2011 04:59 PM (OWjjx) Well maybe not

46 Miss me yet?

47

Heh, I predicted a couple of weeks ago that I wouldn't be surprised if at some point Cain self-destructed and Newt became the next not-Romney candidate. I think Newt is an asshole but he's smart and knows his stuff. He's not my first choice but I'd take him over Romney in a heartbeat.

The one good thing about Newt is that his dirt is already accounted for.

48
meanwhile...

Obama is in Europe today helping them dig themselves out of a ditch.

heh

49 Newt/ Palin

just sayin'

50 I wonder if he'd have me back?

51 Oh yeah, why not. He's such a fighter for conservatism that he went all-in for Dede Scozzafava.

52 I'd have to vote for Romney over Newt as I view Newt like Palin, unelectable against Obama.

53 Palin should have run. She's more vetted than Chevrolet. But the media would have been too obsessed to look at anyone else.

54

Before everyone goes on about how "unelectable" Newt is (a theme played on every conservitive candidate since Sarah was nominated as McCain's runningmate) lemme just point out that he's been one of THE most articulate and knowledgable candidates at the debates. He's been a longtime beltway insider with all the baggage that carries.

While nobody seems to think he could carry water in a Presidential bid, I still think Newt would make an excellent #2 on a lot of conservative tickets.

Having said that.....carry on.....bash at will.

55

I do not want the image of Gingrich rising in my head.  Christina Hendricks on a trampoline Christina Hendricks on a trampoline.  There.  Better now.

I want Newt to be press secretary.  Seriously, it would be Tony Snow levels of bitchslap awesome.

 

56 Perry has the best record of running a massive government properly and as a conservative 95% of the time.  Gingrich is on fire and should be part of the next administration.

I could do with either of them on the ticket, and I'd like Paul Ryan there as well (yeah, I know about comments Newt made about Ryan's plan).

Pretty clear most of us reject Romney and are just trying on the other candidates.  We could do worse than Newt.  Yeah, the left will be inspired by him, but that's possibly inevitable if we nominate any conservative, so is that argument just a surrender of our ideology?

57
Obama at the G20: Okay, here's what you do. Hire more teachers and firefighters and tax collectors. Problems solved. Bye!

58

Better half, who was no Newt fan when he was his rep b/c his office was staffed with f*ckwits and donors' children who couldn't answer constituent questions to save their lives, is giving Newt a second look.

Better half is going with Perry or Newt or Cain.  He can't decide and our primary is 4 months away so he is sweating it.

He just despises Owebama.  He's a keeper.

59 I don't get Newt as the Not-Romney guy. Newt is more Romney than Romney.

60 Flash: Bam's Stimulus Lite just failed in congress.

61

Can someone catologue Newt's flaws for me. I didn't realize I lot of the stuff said about him are lies, specifically the divorce papers story.

 

I'm talking about General election flaws. No the "right wing social engineering", couch with Nancy or Dede Scuzzabucket.

 

Stuff that would hurt him in the general election with moderate democrats and independents

62 Nov 9th, CNBC debate, I think

63 oops - isn't sweating it

64 Man this isn't going well.  I hope the 10 point drop my operative guarranteed me this would give Cain doesn't all go to Newt.  It was supposed to leave me as the only guy above 20%

65

THIS IS FUN!

I am having a desperate, laughing and sobbing kind of fun with all this madness! Good times, and good company.

66 Can he promise to cut off the hand he shoved up Nancy Pelosi on the couch there that one time?

67

Cains and Gingrichs and everybody else means = 77% not for Romney. Seeing as how Romney was never able to  get past 25% in support even with robotic debates, big money and pandering then we can tell a good chunk of Reps dont like him.

With Perry's statements that he is attacking Mittens that WILL drag Mittens down even more then someone be it Gingrich, Perry..... will rise and make Romney cry in the corner.

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at November 03, 2011 04:59 PM (HvPlb)

Makes sense to us, kid!

68 Gingrich cannot be the nominee because the democrats would just run "The Gingrich Who Stole Christmas" attack ads and then it would be all over for us.

69

*catalog

 

sigh, it's been a long day

 

 

70 Anyone not backing Newt doesn't have a heart -- Didi Scuzza Fava

71 Didn't Newt embrace healthcare mandates before Romney?

72 Newt is a loose canon. He was also very unpopular in the 1990s and was widely blamed for GOP losses in 1996 and 1998.

73 Newt not electable?!  My God, he'd destroy the man-child to the point where Obama would be giving his concession speech by October 2012.

74 Is he still in-favor of a national conversation before we confront the entitlement crisis?

75

Also, when people keep talking about the 75% not-Romney vote, I think you're leaving out the 7-8% RON PAUL!!?!?!? vote.

 

76

Newt endorsed Scozzafava in the 2009 NY 23 special election. She was selected in a NY State GOP establishment back room, suspended her campaign on the eve of the election, and threw her support to the Democratic nominee. That was two years ago. Newt was a bit out of it then, and it is unlikely that his mental acuity has improved since; such things tend to change in one direction only.

Remeber that this kind of idiocy being perpetrated in GOP back rooms was one of the driving forces for the Tea Party movement - it wasn't just about the Democrat's mad programs.

 

77 Didn't Newt embrace healthcare mandates before Romney?

That's the problem with Shmot Guys. They think they can fix anything, and can't admit that dispersion of decision (and risk) is usually better.

78
cnbc story: MF Money Isn't Missing

sure, it's just hiding out in Mexico

79 Newt's a big global thinking kinda guy. And, he has a grand solution for every thing that ails ya.

Fuck him.
 

80 I would be willing to compromise with the Establishment and support Newt.

81 Need a new candidate?

82 >>>Cains and Gingrichs and everybody else means = 77% not for Romney. Seeing as how Romney was never able to get past 25% in support even with robotic debates, big money and pandering then we can tell a good chunk of Reps dont like him. Posted by: Flapjackmaka at November 03, 2011 04:59 PM (HvPlb) You can use that logic about ANY candidate. By that logic 80% are not for Cain. 94% are not for Perry. The fact is that Romney is practically tied for first, and you can't spin that "Romney is doing awful" without some serious mental gymnastics. And with nine (9) freaking candidates OF COURSE nobody's going to be running away with it in the 40-50% zone.

83 Why isn't "Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure" being accepted by the blog anymore?

84 t is important to note, however, that only 32% of GOP voters nationwide are firmly committed to their current candidate. Most (68%) say it is possible something could come up that causes them to change their mind. Man these polls suck the suckle-but then every one likes to- Stampede a herd.

85

"Posted by: Ben at November 03, 2011 05:03 PM (wuv1c) "

He shopped at Tiffany's!!1!!1!

3 marriages - but his kids adore him so it couldn't be that bad.

plus his mom won't tell Connie Chung that he thinks Hilldawg is a bitch this time around I betcha

86 Newt moving up ?!??!?! That's uproarious babyyyyyyyyy!!!!!

87

Newt is picking up Cain's slack and Mitty is flat-lining.

Whatever, Not-Romney needs to win decisively so the GOP tricksters can't steal the Nomination.

88 @67 I don't get Newt as the Not-Romney guy. Newt is more Romney than Romney.

In what sense?  Romney never eviscerated the Democrats the way Newt did back in the day.  And never on the national stage. 

Yeah, there's a lot of water under Newt's bridge and he is every bit as political as the rest of them (and politics makes strange bedfellows, after all), but I think the positives would outweigh the negatives. 

89 Oh lord this was not the story he was thinking about

90 So, just so I have this straight, if you name every single R candidate out there, there is someone flat out declaring they are "unelectable" in the general.

What's that leave us with for options then?  Ham sandwich?  Goodie gumdrops.

91 Feeling a little queasy about our choices here. I think I'll go dig some more on the bunker.

92 The Nov 9th CNBC debate will concentrate on economics which should be a plus for Newt. I will be fun to see if he rises or falls now that he may, may be a serious contender.

93 A few years ago someone floated the general campaign slogan/theme of "Common Sense."  It's not that bad of a slogan and Newt could pull it off.

And the debates would be amazing!

Or if Veep, could you see him debating Slo-Joe?  OMGWTFBBQ!  :-D

94 Posted by: Paul at November 03, 2011 05:07 PM (DsHk0)

Yeah, except that none of them have been running for President for 6 years (or so) and the others have all had their support move.

95 Newt loses to Obama by 14 points in the RCP average.  Worse than Palin.

And he supported an individual mandate.  For the whole country, not one state.

And he sat on the couch with Nanzi to promote warmism.

And endorsed Dede Scozzufava.

And trashed Paul Ryan's plan.

But he's not Romney.  So let's nominate him.

96 The healthcare mandate idea from Heritage foundation was much more limited in scope than Romneycare/Obamacare.  Heritage called for mandates limited to catastrophe only, with other forms of care as out of pocket (greatly reducing costs for them).  Heritage dropped it because they realized that it's unworkable and too complex. 

97

I wonder how Neut would handle a Cain-sized scandal.

All this weakness in the GOP field has me a bit down. But I still think it would be interesting to see how he'd handle himself as the object of the MFM's body cavity search. I think he might do quite well, given his role as the Great Uniter of the GOP in the first couple of debates.

IMO, if he really wants the nomination, all he'd have to do is renounce his AGW sit-down with the Wicked Witch of the West, embrace the Tea Party, and walk back his "right-wing social engineering" line and then start laying out what he'd actually do as Prez, ignoring the rest of the candidates and their infantile backbiting as they try to claw their way to the top.

We're at that point now. There is no perfect GOP candidate from what I've seen. I've wanted to pull for Cain, then Perry, then Cain. Now I'm just exhausted and disillusioned.

I need a beer.

98

Cains and Gingrichs and everybody else means = 77% not for Romney. Seeing as how Romney was never able to  get past 25% in support even with robotic debates, big money and pandering then we can tell a good chunk of Reps dont like him.

With Perry's statements that he is attacking Mittens that WILL drag Mittens down even more then someone be it Gingrich, Perry..... will rise and make Romney cry in the corner.

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at November 03, 2011 04:59 PM (HvPlb)

Is that how that works? So you mean.

86% aren't for Newt

92% aren't for Perry

73% Aren't for Cain

Our guys aren't too popular with us are they?

99 Newt's Flaw's

The Scuzzyfuzzy part (read the whole thing though):

I’m pretty sure Newt’s endorsement of Scozzafava was because of a phone call he received from Chairman Steele(the two are friends). Newt came out and endorsed Dede and said something along the lines of this as his reason why: “Since I believe in individual districts right to choose their own candidate I don’t support national organizations coming in trying to over power the will of the people within a district”(or something like that). Well if that argument was actually true I would agree with Newt, but it wasn’t.

I believe it was Dick Armey that tracked down Newt about 4 days later and showed him DedeÂ’s record and the method that was used to select her(not even remotely close to a primary, nor the will of the people). Newt came out and said oops, IÂ’m really sorry. I didnÂ’t realize that this liberal women was selected by a few GOP country chairs pretty much behind closed doors. I retract my endorsement. But people remember the mistake not the reason nor the apology.

100 I could do with either of them on the ticket, and I'd like Paul Ryan there as well (yeah, I know about comments Newt made about Ryan's plan).

Gingrich/Ryan 2012
Full of Nuance

101 34

A lot of you folks think Perry is soft on illegals. Check out eye of Newt

This gets very little press because Fox is a big supporter of amnesty.

Posted by: Vic at November 03, 2011 04:56 PM (YdQQY)

In addition to trotting out the "can't deport 'em all" stawman, he even manages to get a "heartless" dig in there. Nice.

102 So, just so I have this straight, if you name every single R candidate out there, there is someone flat out declaring they are "unelectable" in the general.

I wonder how fast I can get the roughly 20K necessary to turn the family farm back into a working farm...

I'd really rather not have to do that "from scratch" when the end comes.

103 So I'm heartless if I don't back crimmigrants stealing my kid's place in college, and I'm heartless if I don't support giving up my liberty for the AGW hoax.

104 Whatever, Not-Romney needs to win decisively so the GOP tricksters can't steal the Nomination.

For starters, we need to close the damned open primaries, like in my state of SC. 

105 Newt seems to be everybody's second choice.  Can he make it to Super Tuesday?

106 Remember how George Lucas named one of his prequel bad guys Nute Gunray, long after both Newt and Reagan were out of politics? Remember Amidala's pompous liberal soliloquizing? Could be time for the Empire to strike back.

107 Who balanced the budget? This guy.

108 I still am pissed about the Pelosi global warming bench ad, but I'm feeling guilty about Newt these days

Posted by: Clubber Lang at November 03, 2011 04:52 PM (QcFbt)

That's understandable, but at the time he said that he did the ad so that he could get his foot in the door of the debate. Whether you believe him or not, when he got before Congress, this is what he did.

I don't agree with everything he says, but I recommend watching it - it might change your mind.

109 Newt, whether he's a new man or not, is still radioactive with the independent right-leaners and would provide plenty of ammo for the lefties to use.

110 I want Gingrich to be Perry's full-time 'Facts and Smart-Ass-ery' coach/professor in exchange for any position he wants in the next administration.

111 Posted by: The 92% Against Perry at November 03, 2011 05:03 PM (oKLTg)

Pikers.

We are the 99%

112 I wonder how fast I can get the roughly 20K necessary to turn the family farm back into a working farm...

Allen, Pigford's got a nice stash to help you out.  Oh wait.....

113 Newt needs a filter.  The problem is that the president is supposed to be a filter.  He's supposed to hire Newt Gingriches to advise him and reject their ideas when they're unworkable or politically impossible.

I have no doubt that Newt would have 5 excellent plans that would fundamentally transform America for the good.  He would also have 25 horrible ones that he'd have to walk back.

114 Not to mention the very real possibility, actually near certainty, that Newt will open his fat mouth and say something completely off-the-wall that will sink him like a mobster with a concrete foot.

115

Newt endorsed Scozzafava in the 2009 NY 23 special election.

That is the downside of Newt. He is definitely a "we gotta get Rs elected no matter what so we can control the process" type of guy. It's the same reason that he sat on the couch with Nancy. One thing that I would fear from him is that he would have no problem horse trading with free spending Republicans in order to get agenda items passed. He is definitely an insider but I trust him more than I do Romney.

116 A lot of you folks think Perry is soft on illegals. Check out eye of Newt
This gets very little press because Fox is a big supporter of amnesty.

So I can get an amnesty squish who can't debate or one who can? Tough choice.

117 Tin foil hat territory, but just wondering after reading teh Fred's National Review article on who's being the leaks on Cain...Could it be possible that Cain knows he can't win, but is actually a stalking horse for Mitt - possibly for a VP slot?  Cain seems to use every available "opportunity" to throw sticks at Perry.  I haven't heard him say anything really negative about Romney.  Even when given the chance to question Romney in one of the debates, he sounded like Chris Mathews questioning Obama.  There's no doubt that Romney will do anything and say anything to get elected.  He has no principles.  Why would one think he's so principled that he wouldn't stoop to very dark tactics to eliminate his competition.  Also funny that Perry is in single digits now, if polls are to be believed, yet he seems to be the target of such vitriol from Cain. 

118
Newt Gingrich comes off as an irritating pedant. There is no way he can be elected; too many Americans will see their 6th grade Social Studies teacher in him.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at May 16, 2011

This prick got Clinton elected to a second term.
Looks like he wants the nomination so he can go do it for Obama too.
He is smart but not in the right ways.
Didn't like this fat fuck back then and still don't like him now.
Posted by: Jeremiah God Damn America Wright at May 16, 2011

you're just an asshole, Newt.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 16, 2011

He is even worse than Romney for leaning in the direction he perceives the political winds blowing.
Posted by: Vic at May 16, 2011

Newt is a cancer on the GOP
Posted by: Cherry π

119

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 03, 2011 05:11 PM (JYheX)

If Cain gets knocked out by the current scandal (or something else), do you think Gingrich would move into first? I think he's the only non-Romney choice left.

120 Santorum?

121 Anyone but Mitt Huntsgrich.

Newt = Boehner without the crying.  He screwed us in 95 just like Boehner is screwing us now.

122 Romney will win.

The non-Romney vote will continue to be split. 

123 Gingrich who wished he was Mitt Romney becuase he loves healthcare mandates.  But is glad he is not mormon, so he ddidn't have to get excommunicated by Romney because of his adultery.

124 Newt? Sure, why the hell not. Good times, good times.

125

126 130
Santorum?

Posted by: Dave at November 03, 2011 05:14 PM (Xm1aB)

Angry Seinfeld? He looks petulant in the debates. I don't know how that would fly against Obama.

127 Posted by: Havedash at November 03, 2011 05:12 PM

I think he entered the race to raise his profile and sell books, but when he gained traction he realized that he had a shot at the VP slot.  The fact that he singled out Perry as the only candidate with whom he would not serve - and that was when Perry was in the lead iirc (and after Perry had said nice things about Cain) - sure lends credence to the idea that there is some sort of cooperation or understanding or something between Cain and Romney, because none of the other candidates have ever really been very viable. 

128
♪ lowered expectations

129 Sooo Obama over Newt, huh?

130 130
Santorum?

Paul?

131 I would remind everyone that we should "modulate", not stop, but modulate our attacks on fellow Republicans because: A) we have to defeat obama B) we have to nominate someone?

132 Looks like this race is mine! Under the radar, baby, just stay under the radar...

133

A lot of you folks think Perry is soft on illegals. Check out eye of Newt

This gets very little press because Fox is a big supporter of amnesty.
Posted by: Vic at November 03, 2011 04:56 PM (YdQQY)

I really don't have a problem with newt on illegals.

Seal the border. Deport criminals. Deport those on govt assistance. Keep those who are gainfully employed and self sufficient.

I have more of a problem with Newt on comments he throws out there, seemingly with little thought. "Wither on the vine" immediately comes to mind.

134 Ron Paul is more unelectable than Newt.

135

86% aren't for Newt

92% aren't for Perry

73% Aren't for Cain

Our guys aren't too popular with us are they?

Posted by: robtr at November 03, 2011 05:09 PM

Vote Republican
The Party of the Least Worst

136
McCloud!

137 Soothsayer,

People aren't going to Newt because they love him. It's because the other Not-Romneys have failed and Romney can not be trusted on even the most basic issues.

138

I read the link about the couch thing. Combine that walkback with his pledge to abolish the EPA and I might could pull the Newt lever.

I agree he would be a blast in debates.

Needs to watch that mouth though. Remember the "whither on the vine" scare tactics from the mid-90s?

139 nothing erases past screw ups like a newly a newly bestowed mantle of Not-Romney. seriously that shit works better than oxi-clean at cleaning up a record.

140 @145 Kinda gives you chills, doesn't it?

141

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 03, 2011 05:13 PM (G/zuv)

You've convinced me! Mitt Romney is our best choice because he is so awesome! Why, one more persuasive comment like that, and you may be considered almost as brilliant and wonderful as the great Jeff B.!

142 Crap sandwich keeps getting crappier.  At least at one time I was holding out hope for bread.

143 143 - But "wither on the vine" is so erudite and everything.

144 107 I wonder how Neut would handle a Cain-sized scandal.

Well, we already know:  He quit the Speakership and resigned his House seat, even right after being re-elected and holding onto the GOP majority in '98.  And that was for something arguably milder than what Cain is being accused of (whatever the hell that might be).

I like Newt okay, but boy do people have some short memories of the '90s.

145 Gingrich who wished he was Mitt Romney becuase he loves healthcare mandates.

To be fair, lots of right wingers were for healthcare mandates back in the day. I think heritage foundation supported them, too. People come around and have come around to the correct side.

Newt never actually imposed a mandate while in elected office (as opposed to Romney) and doesn't seem like he'd support one, either.

146 Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

147
Some people don't remember 6 months ago.

148 As long as Newt bent Nancy over the green couch and corn holed it, I am fine.....oh wait.....Christina on a trampoline

149 Cancer can be cured!!!!!

150 103 OMGWTFBBQ??? that's funny ...

151 Second look at Ralph Nader!

152 nothing erases past screw ups like a newly a newly bestowed mantle of Not-Romney. seriously that shit works better than oxi-clean at cleaning up a record.

Which should tell the mitt-bots and "establishment" something about how much the rest of us dislike the idea of having to vote for Romney, shouldn't it?

Seriously- when the majority of conservatives are saying they would seriously consider Ron Paul over your chosen candidate, don't you think it might be time to take a look at what they hate so much?

That's what I would love to see Rasmussen do: head-to-head match-ups between Mittens and each of the other candidates.

153 I hadn't taken Newt seriously until a few days ago. I was listening to him on the radio and I realized he's probably the sharpest conservative in the race. Go Newt. Maybe.

154 The only difference between Bob Dole and Mitt Romney is that, unlike Bob Dole, Mitt Romney can fap with either hand.

155
Cancer can be cured!!!!!

hahahaha, evidently

156 Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at November 03, 2011 05:19 PM (gdH65)

He polled at 45% nationwide when he stepped down, too. He wasn't exactly hated as memory suggests.

157 Gingrich rising......let's see, how does that go, again?

Ah, yes:
      The aperture was black with a darkness almost material. That tenebrousness was indeed a positive quality; for it obscured such parts of the inner walls as ought to have been revealed, and actually burst forth like smoke from its aeon-long imprisonment, visibly darkening the sun as it slunk away into the shrunken and gibbous sky on flapping membraneous wings. The odour arising from the newly opened depths was intolerable, and at length the quick-eared Hawkins thought he heard a nasty, slopping sound down there. Everyone listened, and everyone was listening still when It lumbered slobberingly into sight and gropingly squeezed Its gelatinous green immensity through the black doorway into the tainted outside air of that poison city of madness.
      Poor JohansenÂ’s handwriting almost gave out when he wrote of this. Of the six men who never reached the ship, he thinks two perished of pure fright in that accursed instant. The Thing cannot be described—there is no language for such abysms of shrieking and immemorial lunacy, such eldritch contradictions of all matter, force, and cosmic order. A mountain walked or stumbled. God! What wonder that across the earth a great architect went mad, and poor Wilcox raved with fever in that telepathic instant? The Thing of the idols, the green, sticky spawn of the stars, had awaked to claim his own. The stars were right again, and what an age-old cult had failed to do by design, a band of innocent sailors had done by accident. After vigintillions of years great Gingrich was loose again, and ravening for delight.

158 What kind of man would do that to his cancer-stricken wife?

159
Newt's best opportunity occurred in 1996.

He was the only one who had a chance to beat Clinton. It's too late now.

160 I'm now waiting for Allen Funt to jump out and tell all of us "You're on Candid Camera!" 

161 143

I really don't have a problem with newt on illegals.

Seal the border. Deport criminals. ...

Posted by: Newt Gingrich at November 03, 2011 05:17 PM (usXZy)

Erm, everyone here in the country illegally has committed a crime--unless you don't consider illegal migration a crime-crime.

That said, I'd choose Newt over Romney.

162 # 168  "tenebrousness"  Heh. We sure we want 4 or 8 years of that shit?

163

I can't believe the Rombots are trying to make the case that Newt is as bad or worse than Romney.

Frank and Dodd hung from the mizzen would be awesome.

164 Save us, Gene Eric Republican, you're our only hope!

165 Newt needs a filter.  The problem is that the president is supposed to be a filter.  He's supposed to hire Newt Gingriches to advise him and reject their ideas when they're unworkable or politically impossible.

How dare you say something intelligent and perceptive. 

166

Actually that isn't how it works. This is from the same Rassmussen Poll.

When asked to choose between only Romney and Cain, the two men are tied. Forty-three percent (43%) support Romney in a two-way matchup, while 42% pick Cain. Romney is also essentially even with Gingrich in a two-way race.

167 18

I trust Newt to be a patriot. He understands the problems we face. I think he has the strength to not back down to the left. I think he can debate Obama, and Romney can't debate Obama IMHO.

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Not only that, but he would enjoy the debate smackdown in direct proportion to how much he's hated by the left.

168 Cain has the honey badger base.

Newt has the FYNQ base.

Romney has the T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII base.

The Tea Party conservatives are pragmatic enough to coalesce their support around any true conservative. They will never back Romney. He's forever stuck at 25%.

So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
--Jesus Christ, Son of God

169

Businessman, successful governor, low-tax champion, Fair Tax advocate, libertarian leaning.

 

Time to take a hard look at Gary Johnson.

170 I'm totally behind Newt!

Until next week when he's found fucking some roadkill. Then, I never liked that guy.

171 Newt needs a filter.  The problem is that the president is supposed to be a filter.  He's supposed to hire Newt Gingriches to advise him and reject their ideas when they're unworkable or politically impossible.

But a president is also supposed to be a leader.  That's the distinction between Newt at his best and Romney. 

172
When Newt drops out, we'll take another look at that Huntsman fellow.

And then Fred Karger, the gay fellow.

And then Buddy Roemer.

173 Eh, the only thing I see Newt leading is a shopping trip to Tiffany's.

174

Never divorced a wife with cancer, doesnÂ’t fuck farm animals, isnÂ’t gay and has never been convicted.

 

Time to take a hard look at Gary Johnson.

175
Then we'll be screaming for a do-over.

Turn those machines back on!

176 I wonder how Neut would handle a Cain-sized scandal.

The only time I have seen Newt genuinely flustered was when after the "right-wing social engineering" crack, when some guy confronted him and told him to drop out before he made a bigger fool of himself.

177 Romney is the aftertaste of smegma in Monica's mouth.

178 @185 lol

179 Here's what I like about Newt, besides all of his problems.  I "believe" he will gut the hell out of a lot of stuff in govt.  I don't need new stuff, I want the old stuff gone.

180 OT: FBI: House Majority Leader Eric Cantor's family threatened - @AP http://t.co/2avB1wtL

181 If our candidates can flip-flop, so can we.  Flippers Unite!

182 Ya mean a fella can't run for prezident if he's shagged the sheep? Damn fire.

183

Wants to legalize marijuana, keep government off your back and he wonÂ’t outlaw anal sex like Santorum.

 

Time to take a hard look at Gary Johnson.

184 BTW, Newt's wife asked him for a divorce.  In case we are searching for facts... or something.

185

184
Eh, the only thing I see Newt leading is a shopping trip to Tiffany's.

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Where he will be buying something while the presidents brownshirts are outside scheming to loot the place.

186 I actually like Santorum's stand against anal sex.

187 My man Johnson - for anal sex - 2012

(sooth, don't copy that one)

188 191 OT: FBI: House Majority Leader Eric Cantor's family threatened - @AP http://t.co/2avB1wtL

Gee, I wonder how that could have been ginned up.

189 In 2007, he was running Mitt Romney’s campaign in South Carolina, where Mitt was behind the rest of us in the polls. Of course, when confronted, both Tompkins and Mitt were “shocked” to learn that a rogue employee (who ran Tompkins’s office) was running such a website (out of the office), and the site was taken down immediately. One of the more benign and amusing things the site accused me of was being a “flip flopper.” I kid you not.

Posted by: Y-not at November 03, 2011 04:55 PM (5H6zj)

Honestly?  This makes me think better of Mitt.  I said this in the Ann Coulter thread some days back.  I want somebody ruthless. 

190 In physics, the term observer effect refers to changes that the act of observation will make on the phenomenon being observed. This is often the result of instruments that, by necessity, alter the state of what they measure in some manner. A commonplace example is checking the pressure in an automobile tire; this is difficult to do without letting out some of the air, thus changing the pressure. This effect can be observed in many domains of physics. This probably goes double for polling...they must have some law or principle to describe it-but most of the pollsters are like- Honey Badger....

191

Posted by: cthulhu at November 03, 2011 05:22 PM (kaalw)

That was beautiful, man.

Soooo, now we're reduced to taking a second look at everybody? I'da never thought that with the resurgence of conservatism in the form of the Tea Party, that no one would rise to the top of the heap and step out onto the stage fully formed, so to speak, with the right message, namely undoing everything our stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure has done while in office.

We are well and truly boned. And, even worse, we seem to be playing by the enemies' rules: arguing amongst ourselves in debates hosted primarily by the MFM, and responding weakly to their attempts at smears.

192

165   That and Bob Dole was a war hero.

Bob Dole and John McCain may not have been conservative enough for many, but they did fight for their country. 

But, yeah, it's f**king hilarious to make fun of Bob Dole's lifeless hand.  He did spend three years in and out of hospitals after he was blown apart back in Italy...

Hate to be a prick, but maybe we should drop the wacky, irreverent humor when it comes to crippling war injuries.

 

193 I can picture the look of horror on Megan McCain's chunky face when she hears Newt won the election. and yes I also picture it smeared with rib sauce.

194

For school vouchers, knows how to handle himself in a fire and he does ironman triathlons.

 

Time to take a hard look at Gary Johnson.

195 205 - And doesn't fuck farm animals.

196 202

Posted by: cthulhu at November 03, 2011 05:22 PM (kaalw)

That was beautiful, man.

Soooo, now we're reduced to taking a second look at everybody? I'da never thought that with the resurgence of conservatism in the form of the Tea Party, that no one would rise to the top of the heap and step out onto the stage fully formed, so to speak, with the right message, namely undoing everything our stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure has done while in office.

We are well and truly boned. And, even worse, we seem to be playing by the enemies' rules: arguing amongst ourselves in debates hosted primarily by the MFM, and responding weakly to their attempts at smears.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at November 03, 2011 05:37 PM (d0Tfm)

Actually, I kinda like ol' Newt. I just thought the spectre of "Gingrich rising" was a bit......like pulp horror, perhaps?

197 I like Newt, always have. He'd destroy Obama in a debate.

198 Hate to be a prick, but maybe we should drop the wacky, irreverent humor when it comes to crippling war injuries.

*BEEEEEEEP*

199 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

200

My principles are damn sure more important than any RINO politics and damn RINO politicians.  Principles over politics, thatÂ’s my motto.  ThatÂ’s why IÂ’m supporting a Cain-Gingrich-Palin ticket for ‘12. 

The first two things we want to see in a presidential candidate are experience and electability.  Cain is more qualified than anyone in my family to be president.  HeÂ’s also the most electable.  Just ask Governor Swann, Senator Steele and Senator Keyes.  In a vice presidential candidate we want someone whoÂ’ll add something politically to the ticket.  NewtÂ’s won so many major elections in Georgia that state would be a lock to vote for Dr. Cain.  Palin is the female Reagan.  Just like Reagan, Sarahcudah served eight productive years as governor of a populous state and sheÂ’s undefeated.

More importantly this election is about destroying once and for all the RINO GOP establishment.  If the GOP nominates an establishment candidate IÂ’ll be voting for Obama. 

General Cain is the anti-establishment candidate.  Hell, punks, you canÂ’t even spell anti-establishment without Herman Cain.  Newt also is an anti-establishment candidate.  In his 20 years in Congress Newt fought tooth and nail against the establishment.  Of course Sarahcudah is the ultimate anti-establishment candidate.  Take away her stint as governor and her vice presidential candidacy and sheÂ’s never been part of the GOP establishment.  Establishment = losing more slowly, and IÂ’m tired of losing more slowly.  Hell, starving is better than 3/4 of a loaf of bread and IÂ’d rather die than compromise.

Cain-Gingrich-Palin, Â’12.  Love it or leave it, punks. 

201 Texas Governor Rick Perry picks up eight percent (8%) support, Texas Congressman Ron Paul gets seven percent (7%)

Man that sux.



HOLD  FAST

202 WTF. President Salamander may be slimey, but at least he isn't a communist tool. He does resemble another tool, I won't noun it today.

203 Looking at these candidates is like picking out the ONE Christmas present you are allowed to pick out. Back and forth, which one is best? They ALL suck? Shit, time to take another look......Which one sucks less? List the suck in descending order........

204 Why is it so hard to find a decent candidate? Herman Cain has pretty much exactly the right background - he's got long and varied experience, and perhaps most importantly he's not Harvard and he's not a lawyer. But for a man with his background and his ambitions he's got some interesting gaps in his knowlege: not to know, for instance, what 'right of return' implies to everyone involved in that little discussion is a bit worrisome. And, of course, he's going to get the full media colonoscopy that our press carefully dodged with the sitting SCOAMF. Mitt Romney is everything to everyone. I don't really give a damn where he stands on abortion and I think Mormons are on average better people than most, but I do care where he stands on carbon taxation and energy exploration and government intrusiveness and a number of other issues where he's been a little inconsistent in the past. Newt's a bright guy, a very bright guy, perhaps too smart to see the holes in his own positions at times. He is, I think, the one candidate who could (coarseness alert) rip off Obama's head and shit down his neck in debate, and like Mitt he's been in the national eye long enough that all his negatives are public record. Could he win? I'm kinda hoping we get to the point that half an ounce of smegma could beat the SCOAMF by November ought-twelve. Rick Perry would be winning this race going away if he'd simply never opened his mouth. If he'd never said one word to, or about, or in response to other GOP candidates but simply run on a THE SCOAMF IS A SCOAMF AND I'M THE ANTI-SCOAMF platform from day one, he'd have 35%. He could have stiff-armed the immigration questions and let the Gardasil crowd self-immolate and never even acknowledged the existence of other candidates and he'd have the anti-Mitt vote locked up, which would probably be enough to win the nomination. But he had to open his mouth. He went and got personal with Mitt, and he went and got personal with the immigration-skeptic GOP base. If that's illustrative of the kind of President he'd be, then perhaps it's good he's self-selected himself out of the race. I'd like to see him turn this around, I think his record is stronger than anyone else in the race. But...dare I use the word? Temperament.

205

I'm in the Romney camp now, but in all honesty if there is a reasonable amount of evidence to suggest that Newt is electable, then I think conservatives should go all-in and support his nomination.  Why?

He's brilliant

He's a staunch conservative (Not a perfect or pure one.  Point one of those out to me BTW)

He'll destroy Obama in a debate

He'll know enough about how the U.S. Congress works to advance as transformative a conservative agenda as can be advanced.

Unfortunately I haven't seen that evidence as far as electibility is concerned, and that is a deal-breaker as I consider the most important issue at hand to be removing the SCOAMF from the White House.  I'll be on the look out for it though.

 

 

206

Newt Gingrich raped a racist drug plane.

tinyurl.com/3k2l8zu

Yeeesh.

Eh?

207 Can't believe I am saying this, but I am warming up to Newt. I believe he truly understands the peril facing this country, and that he is willing to serve in the fashion this country needs him.

208 206 205 - And doesn't fuck farm animals. Posted by: tubal at November 03, 2011 05:41 PM (BoE3Z) Well, now you're kind of raising the bar...

209 Nice summary JEM. That's about right.

210 Newt is erratic at times. Someone would have to keep an eye on him, to make sure he didn't slip on Pelosi's g-string or something... But I would prefer him to Obama, no question anout that.

211 That was debunked years ago also but since nobody really liked Newt, nobody payed much attention. Right now he is my candidate and I can't believe I would ever say that and that I would ever support a guy named Newt

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 03, 2011 04:55 PM (i6RpT)

I missed that.

There is still the matter of DeDe and whacking Paul Ryan like a Pinata.

Newt is smart - he would DESTROY Obama in a debate, even if he were high on crystal meth.

But man, he does some questionable things. It's like he's detached from the pulse of Conservatism, even though he is usually Conservative himself.

However, he's kind of big-government-y; then again, they pretty much all are.

I'll happily vote for Newt over Romney or SCOAMF.

212 Yeah, I say go Gingrich.

The worst smears against him are untrue, and the truth is he, like me, and like many of you, and if not, you, many you know, discovered lifelong monogamy and never wavering feelings is a lot harder than we were told as kids pre-puberty. I'm inclined to give him a pass on that.

He's right on most of the issues, he's tough, he's a fearsome debater, he's not a massively hypocritical squish like Romney, he's not dumb on foreign policy like Cain, and beggars can't be choosers.

213 221 Newt is erratic at times. Someone would have to keep an eye on him, to make sure he didn't slip on Pelosi's g-string or something... But I would prefer him to Obama, no question anout that.

Posted by: CoolCzech at November 03, 2011 06:04 PM (niZvt)

Someone called?

214 Newt's daughter clearing him on the cancer-divorce smear is a big factor for me. I feel like a dick because I believed that lie and had repeated it several times over the years. I'm such an idiot -- I thought his wife had died because the story had been about her on her death-bed. But I was too lazy to ever check the story.

I still am pissed about the Pelosi global warming bench ad, but I'm feeling guilty about Newt these days

Posted by: Clubber Lang at November 03, 2011 04:52 PM (QcFbt)

That's about where I'm at.

Look at it this way: If it's Newt, you got yourself an election of ideas: socialism and Europeanism vs. capitalism and America.

215 Personally, I would gladly pay to watch Newt debate Obummer... the PPV could take care of a years deficit

216 #9- Newt still left his wife when she had cancer and was in the hospital . The fact that she recovered was a blessing. The fact that the daughter has forgiven her father, doesn't mean that it did not happen. He left her for wife # 2 who he had been having an affair with. Then he left Wife #2 for Clarista, who was his mistress for a year before he divorced wife # 2. Wife  # 2 told Newt that she had MS, so I guess that is what made it officially over . Now he and wife  # 3 have found the Lord, and all is forgetten. Yes, he is a brilliant man. I know that he is forgiven. But in this big nation called America , is there one that has intergrity? Yes, there are several. Rick Santorum, Michelle Bachmann and my pick for President , Rick Perry. Rick has been a great, solid Conservative governor for 11 years in Texas. Been vetted to the max. Wants John Bolton and Steeve Forbes in his cabinet. Bolton as Secretary of State! All this talk abouit his camp "leaking" this informationa about Cain is like the pot calling the kettle black. If Cain would not have acted like he didn't remember this incident and now that a possible 4th woman has been indicated, we are still not clear on what the heck happened. Let's vet our candidates, please.

217 Newt was never CEO of the National Restaurant Association was he? That place is a cesspool! Makes Tailhook look like a barn raising in Amish Country.

218 #227 Unless his daughter was lying, they had already separated, and it was the wife's idea. Wasn't in the hospital like he sprung it on her.

219 What a bloody mess.

If anyone could get the SCoaMF re-elected, it's the GOP. Damned if they're not gonna manage to do the impossible. What the hell is it with this die-hard support for Cain? Is it the Baptist preacher thing kicking in again like with Huckabee? At this point, I couldn't care less what he did or didn't do with some female subordinates 10 or 12 years ago. My problem is Cain has shown once again (and again and again and again) that he has no clue how to lead and govern and handle unpleasantness like this (much less something worse, something that he would not know was coming like he had to have known with this). He just doesn't have what it takes (or doesn't care). Not to mention the problem he seems to have with telling the truth...or even remembering from one day to the next what the "truth" supposedly is. Like him personally are you want, but he has no friggin' clue about handling a crisis - even something as minor as this - in the political arena.

220 should read "...like him personally *all* you want..." in #230...gack...wish I had learned to type and read at the same time somewhere along the way.

221 It's gonna be Romney v. Newt. I never thought that Cain could sustain his lead, and I felt this way before the sexual harassment allegations surfaced. Newt is the last not-Romney we have, and he has the benefit of being a first rate debater and thinker. He's not perfect, but in about a week to two weeks, he's all we're gonna have.

222 good lord. I can't even be disgusted anymore.

223 #229, yes it was his wife's idea because he was cheating on her and she couldn't deal with both life threatening cancer and an adulterous husband. Shades of Edwards,eh? Newt brought the divorce papers to the hospital and that is where the media picked up the story. Have you ever heard the second Mrs. in an interview. Very above board and real. She admits to having a long time affair with Newt during the cancer treatment of his wife. She said how could she fault wife # 3 for having an affair with her husbandfor a year when she was guilty of doing it herself. She still has the Gingrich name. And dealing with her MS the best she can.  I like Newt in politics, but for me personally it is a deal breaker as the leader of this nation. It took deception, sneaking arouind, lying to cover his affairs and then not to stand by not one but two wives with illnesses, it is hard to look at him the same. He should stick to commentating, writing books and being an advisor. IMHO

224 Just checked. Yep, Romney still sux.

225 You really make it seem so uderstandable with your presentation but I find this topic before really hard to understand. It seems too complicated and very broad for me.

226 Not to worry. TheeRomney will prevail. Clan Bush , I mean the force, is with him.

227

David invirginia , I agree. I have been a legal assistant for well over a decade. Cain not recalling this incident for days and then saying that he wasn't privy to the complaints or the settlements because of contract law, is unbelievable. Think about it. If you had two women come forward and lodge a complaint about you, one got 35k , the other 45k, and both had to leave their jobs, you dang sure would want to see how that might have damaged your character, or so you could rebute it. This is America! This vague recall on something major like this, is a red flag. And then on Greta, he tried to laugh it off and said he liked to look at pretty flowers, that was a terrible answer to her question.

On Mark Levin show , a caller called these women "bimbos and huzzies". These women did not leak this. How dare we treat them this way until we know the facts. Are the ones that accuesed Cliinton the only believable ones ? We were quick to believe that he was a sleeze, because there were too many stories. Now with Cain we have at least 4 so far. We have to sit back and watch this unfold. But it is too late for me to believe Cain anymore. I don't believe that he didn't know every detail to this sealed agreeement. I am sick about it , because I thought he would have made a great VP. I know that others love his rhetoric, but I look at actions (like Perry). I am sick and tired of teleprompter West Wing, Roman columns speeches, while our country is burning to the ground. We need a seasoned professional to come into the White House and  start to work to turn us around. With Forbes and Bolton, Perry can't miss. And we need Rudy in the Attorney General position too!

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229 Wow this is soo helpful I have been trying to figure this out on my own for a long time now. Hopefully making this change will help encourage discussion on my blog.

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231 Newt's baggage is, really, minor. Overblown. Opposition hyped.

The baggage will be lost in the heat of the campaign. Do we want the double-talking liberal (who won't excite the base), "crazy Cain," open borders Perry, or the solidly conservative & skilled Gingrich?

232 I just doubt that a lot of women would vote for Gingrich over Obama, who is younger, fitter, better-looking, and hasn't been known to have cheated on his wife.  Regardless of any policy.  Which would be a reason to back instead someone like Perry or Romney (watching this Cain issue burn in the media is like seeing the Hindenburg slowly catch fire and fall to the ground).

233

First, my  # 1 pet peeve is the spammers. I will never look at your product when you come on these sites and say "thanks for the helpful information", never! Quit being lazy and learn real marketing. You will not get anywhere this way.

# 242-Perry is not an open borders governor. He has asked all presidents since he has been governor for 11 years , for drones, more border guards. Obama has been the most uncooperative. Even Thornberry hasn't helped ,he wrote the dang patriot act even before 911 talking about our "porous borders".

The only thing that Perry has done  is allow young people whose parents dragged them across the border when they were toddlers, to have in state tuition (with conditions) because Texas is the only home they have known.  The stipulation is that they have to go through the citizen process at the same time. Out of state citizens have convinced people that he is pro "open borders" because they cannot get the in state tuition break. What about the Mexican illegals that waddle across the border and give birth to an automatic citizen? That is the law that needs to be changed.  I have met many of these studnests. Texas is their home. They want to give back  and be productive. Perry is right about this. The alternative will be "Fast and Furious" That is the most assinine thing that Obama has done , along with Eric Holder, selling guns to drug lords to kill our own people. Perry would never allow that on his watch. It has put we Texans, in danger. Perrry is protecting us as much as he can.

Newt is another McCain. He has said great things about Hillary and San Fran Nancy, wazzup with that?

234 I don't think Perry has what it takes to beat Big "O".  He can't even carry his own in debates with his own party.  If it wasn't for the other dependible people in Texas offices, I think he would fall on his face.  Newt, however can whip just about anybody in a debate and he is savy smart about Government and politics.  Herman is also one great person that could straighten this mess out that was created by all of the other less gov thinkers or, maybe less gov non thinkers.  I would be happy with Newt and Herman, either one or both as Pres/ vice Pres.  They are both as patriotic as any and believe in the Constitution and thats what we need.  Not someone who is trying to take away our RIGHTS and run this country in the ground.