1 Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure

2 I heard this on FOX & Friends this AM. I don't even think this commie will fly in Mass. She is way way way out there.

3 The more they speak openly, the better.

4 She needs to restart her Demerol regimen again.

5 Booooooooooosh !

6
Cool, so looks like Scott Brown's seat is a keeper then!

7 I turned off the volume and hummed "The Internationale" then I watched it as she spoke. AND THERE WAS NO DIFFERENCE!

8 "Two wars".....that third thingy in Libya was, after all, just a kinetic military action.

Screeching lib women....my kitteh fled from the room.

9 It's true.  My late father built the family fortune (yeah, right) on the dead.

We are funeral directors.

10 I had a very snarky comment about Laura and a small business all typed and ready to post. But, I just can't do it....

11

Cool, so looks like Scott Brown's seat is a keeper then!

It might very well be. I assumed he'd loose because there will be a big turnout for Obama in 2012, but she doesn't seem lke a very good candidate.

Also, if I remember correctly from the Coakley debacle, Massholes don't vote for women who run for senate.

12 For a moment I thought she was going to run out of fingers and would resort to taking off her shoes and socks.

13 If this is the commie Warren video yeah it will write itself. I can't believe that someone has not simply beat the shit out of this worthless scrunt yet.

But I am not advocating that.

14 The wealthy and productive have made the most use out of the tools society has provided for everyone ... and for that, they must be punished!

15

So if I move more of my business operations to China then will my tax rate go down?

16 Harvard Law right? Her sermons, I mean classes, must be a hoot.

17 Heh

She's getting really hammered by commenters at Beck' "The Blaze".

Many of the counter-arguments are really good.

18 You know that Bill Gates guy?  He drives on public funded roads!

19 "Mr. Rearden, the law which you are denouncing is based on the highest principle - the principle of the public good."

"Who is the public? What does it hold as its good? There was a time when men believed that 'the good' was a concept to be defined by a code of moral values and that no man had the right to seek his good through the violation of the rights of another. If it is now believed that my fellow men may sacrifice me in any manner they please for the sake of whatever they deem to e their own good, if they believe that they may seize my property simply because they need it - well, so does any burglar. There is only this difference: the burglar does not ask me to sanction his act."

-- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged.

20 None of our money is truly "ours".  It's everyone else's too, because they helped you get educated, drive to work on roads, keep you safe with policemen and firefighters, etc.

When she starts talking about marauders pillaging your shit, is she referring to union goons?

21 It Takes a Village To Raise a Fortune.

22 I was looking for a candidate I could impregnate and bring the Anti-Christ into the World. No need to look further.

23

“YOU didn’t have to worry about marauding bands would come and seize everything at your factory…”

Elizabeth has obviously never been on the business end of an IRS seizure.

24 Hesrd this scrunt on the radio (Joe Pags) this morning. I have one question for her: Didn't the factiry owner pay for all that shit too before he built his factory? How about all the people he employs, do they now pay taxes for the gas to get to his factory which is supposed to pay for the roads? Do the factory workers not pay property tax for the schools? Bitch, the factory already pays for everything through the employees. If stupid hurt, this bitch would need morphine drip.

25 The wealthy and productive have made the most use out of the tools society has provided for everyone ... and for that, they must be punished!

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at September 22, 2011 11:38 AM (PLvLS)

Worked for us.

26 We taxed you and built these roads, indoctrinated your children, and taxed your profits..now we want more..more..more!!

27 That Bitch is insane.

28 She's speaking truth to power, you bourgeoisie filth.

29 A room full of fat old females, mostly retired teachers and govt clerks

30 Did she ever stop to think that the products and services that businesses provide is their way of "giving back"? 

31 Let's compare and contrast private sector jobs with say... public sector jobs and union jobs.

32 Can't wait to tell the husband that his business is safe from "marauding bands" of whoever because of libs.

I'm going to send the vid to him, and hope he doesn't have a heart attack.

33 Wait, I have to genuinely wonder...WILL this play well? 

Look, I know it sounds like fucking Marxism to us...but maybe this shit works with Massholes.  I caution against overconfidence.

I still think Brown is favored to win, especially after diving into that PPP poll, which seems more and more like dishonest narrative-priming rather than anything authentic.

Also, there's a mini-scandal brewing over questions about Warren's expense account while working w/the Obama administration  (see Politico today).  Be interested to see how that plays out.

34 >Monty at September 22, 2011 11:39 AM (/0a60) My first thought was Wesley Mouch. My second thought is how do I sign up for one of these marauding bands cause that sounds awesome.

35 Take a hunk of that and pay it to the next kids that come along. C'mon, people! It's in the Constitution! BTW, anyone know how many hunks in a trillion?

36 And she's ahead in the polls????

37 Gee. How did the people get the money to pay for the infrastructure that the biz uses? I bet they had jobs. Where did they get the jobs? To re-paraphrase Southpark ???? Infrastructure Profit

38 In the words of one of my junior high classmates*, "Let me hold your wallet. What I finds, I keeps?!" *now incarcerated for grand larceny

39 When she said "big Hunk", she was talking about ME, bitches  !!!!!!!

40 I heard this on FOX & Friends this AM. I don't even think this commie will fly in Mass. She is way way way out there. Posted by: nevergiveup at September 22, 2011 11:35 AM

Warren will "fly" in Mass, don't doubt it for a second.

Massholes are idiots. No, they're beyond idiocy. There must be a far stronger term for people who knowingly re-elect Bahney Fwank and JF Kerry and who pulled the lever for every Kennedy that staggered drunkenly into public life.

She won't get my vote, but the idea that the alternative is Scott Brown makes even that futile gesture nauseating.

41 She looks like the bastard daughter of Martha Coakley and Chaz Maddow.

42 No one ever got lunch on their own! The road outside the deli came from somewhere! The lettuce came from an exploited undocumented lettuce picker! You want lunch tomorrow? Next week? Well then, you're going to have to PAY FORWARD! No one can get lunch on their own!

43 You mean I can fire the security company whom I pay handsomely to guard my factory against marauding bands? The police will do it all and the vast unwashed throngs will pick up the bill? Hot damn!

44 And she's ahead in the polls????

Scott Brown is libtard-lite.  Just one calorie.

45 @ 2

That's what people hoped would carry McMahon over that retard Richard "Hurr Durr How Make Job?" Blumethal.  MA is at least as terminally liberal as CT. 

46 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

And I can't stream it at work- if someone will point me to a transcript, I'll be happy to help.

47 IOW, all successful businesses owe their existence to.... Barack Obama.

48

There's a presumption in her tirade, that the factory owner doesn't already contribute to these benefits, which is pure bullshit.  He does, and he contributes more than "the rest of us" as individuals.

I haven't heard a conservative candidate argue that we shouldn't "build roads", that's bullshit too.  The argument is over inefficiency, waste, throwing dollars at crap that benefits a very few, the only objective of which is to buy votes for the confiscators.

49 Actually, about 50% of the population didn't pay for any of that. The "rich" guys who run the businesses paid for it, you condescending elitist scrunt.

50 The government prints the money so it's all government money.  I mean, our bills don't have pictures of Adam Smith's invisible hand on them, do they?

51 That crowd in the room....my eyes!!

52 "You don't need to worry about marauding bands coming to your factory and stealing everything."

Obviously, you're not Gibson Guitars.

53 28 She's speaking truth to power, you bourgeoisie filth.

Yea, I had Mrs. Power for Economics in college. She was an idiot, too.

54 So if I move more of my business operations to China then will my tax rate go down?

If you want to keep your taxes low in the US you always have the option of raising you contribution to me and going green. (see GE)

55

Wow, I don't even know where to start, the stupid is so strong there.  Of course, leftards are all a swoon. 

2 Trillion dollars for wars, huh?  Really?  1 Trillion for the medicare drug program--really?  Where do these people get these numbers?  Notice there is no mention of the more than trillion dollar, game changing, unfunded Obamacare debacle that was shoved down our throats.  Also, no mention of all the regulations imposed upon businesses that are keeping many of them from growing and shuttering some down.  I hate these people.

 

 

 

56 Could Mrs. Warren come to my house to meet my friends and my little dog, precious

57 Wait, so comment #1 comes out with the thread winner.  I have nothing.

58 When she starts talking about marauders pillaging your shit, is she referring to union goons?

Posted by: EC at September 22, 2011 11:39 AM (GQ8sn)

I think she means the IRS.

59 Who is this "rest of us" she's talking about?

60 52 "You don't need to worry about marauding bands coming to your factory and stealing everything."

Obviously, you're not Gibson Guitars.

Early thread winner?

61 What's this "us" versus "them" crap? Does Warren think business owners don't pay taxes to help build roads, finance police, teachers, etc.?

62 Can we call it Socialism now?

63 Warren speaks to her coven of moochers..

64 What is it about defective progressives that they feel the need to impose their misery with the whole world?

We get it, bitch. You fail at life.

That's our problem because......?

65 Elizabeth Warren: prime example of depleting the gene pool.

66 Well yeah!! It's hard work printing this damn money! Did you think it just grew on........ oh nvrmd.....

67 "you don't have to worry about marauding bands attacking your business"

Unless of course you work for Gibson Guitars or dare to try and operate a business without union labor.

So she explains away $4T of the estimated $14T in debt by criticizing programs or actions she probably supported and that the Dems could have done away with when they had complete control but didn't.

I think Republicans need to remind Americans at every chance they get that the Dems did indeed control all 3 parts of the legislature for a period of time and their only achievement is that burdensome takeover of the health care system in this country. The parts of the plan that people like could have been spelled out in about 4 pages and without all of the agencies, rules, and regulations fixing to hit us right between the eyes.

And the pocketbook.

68 IOW, all successful businesses owe their existence to.... Barack Obama.

In the beginning there was Barack Obama.  And he promised to bring the lgiht and the darkness together.

69 Everybody own everything; everyone deserves to share in everyone else's efforts and success and results.

Her rant will sound good to a lotta dimwits--but The Public is riddled with dimwits

70 The percentage of the federal budget spent on the military is very small. The affluent and rich already pay for almost everything. FOAD.

71 I wish my husband could give her some "happy juice".

72 “YOU didn’t have to worry about marauding bands would come and seize everything at your factory…”

VDH begs to differ. However, it does provide insight into the liberal mindset that the difference between civilization and The Road Warrior is an incrementally higher tax rate on the upper decile of income.

73 Posted by: Jame, buffalo Bill, Gumb. at September 22, 2011 11:43 AM (ZDUD4) "It puts the wallet in the basket."

74 What always amazes me about these commies is that they try to compare their socialist programs to roads, police, and fire infrastructure things like those things were socialism as well.

They simply can not see the "social" in "socialism". Infrastructure benefits the entire population. Social programs only benefit freeloaders.

When will a Republican call them on this........

oops, I forgot, we don't want to die on that hill.

75 Warren of the wasteland !  Bitches.

76 Look around the room - you see there sandbaggers, hangers-on, blamecasters and grievance-mongers who are the dead weight dragging this country down the road to ruin. The "enlightened" contingent of the 52%ers and our "betters". Loathsome scum all.

77 The cackling at :42 made my hair stand on end.

Please tell me Ms. Warren never bred.

78

 I keep saying that only crazy people run for office, these days. It doesn't matter what party they claim to represent, in this day and age, only sociopaths run for office...and they'll say absolutely anything if they think it'll get them elected.

 Then, we elect them to office ...and wonder why the world's gone nuts.

 If we keep electing crazy people to political office, what does that say about us?

79 Hidden (but not really) in Warren's idea of the implied social contract is the assumption on their part that they are the ones who are going to set the terms of the relationship between the government (them) and its citizens (you).  They truly believe we should all be grateful for what the government "gives" us, not stopping for a minute to realize that the wealth of government cannot exist without the work of its citizens.

The concept of individual liberty, of citizens as autonomous actors who have the power to establish what relationship we should have with our government confuses and enrages them.  It's astounding, but welcome, to see a candidate express their beliefs in such stark terms.  This is the American left. 

80 I started and run a road construction crew with illegal alien labor, so FYNQ.

81 It's already reached "Hang in there, baby!"  motivational poster status for the chicoms. This shit was uploaded in photo form on my FB feed last night, complete with loving picture and sans sarif font.

82

“YOU didn’t have to worry about marauding bands would come and seize everything at your factory…”

Elizabeth has obviously never been on the business end of an IRS seizure.

She's speaking to Democrats, obviously. Republicans like Gibson guitars do.

Well, so do farmers and ranchers if there's some damn bug or fish that's a member of a disadvantaged species.

Or if you don't hire the people the government wants hired.

Or if your wheelchair ramp is too steep.

83 "No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public."

H.L. Mencken

84 Ya wanna run that by us again .

85 Medicare is a give away to the drug companies. huh?  Ok, she's right, lets get rid of it.

86

"You didnt have to worry that marauding bands would come and seize everything in your factory..."

Well, except Warren and her band of course...

87 Elizabeth Warren = future Lord Humungous of the Wasteland

Just walk away from your factory and assets.  I'll grant you safe passage.

88 I don't know where it comes from, but there are people like her everywhere. They don't call us Massholes without good reason. I can't wait to see a debate.

89 Goddamn those publicly funded police! They've made the marauding business unprofitable! That's why all my pals from the gang and I are the new spokes-ruffians for the Capital One Venture Card! What's in your wallet?

90 Actually if you turn the sound off and play Sgt. Hartman's opening monologue from "Full Metal Jacket," you get the same effect as listening to "Dark Side of the Moon" while watching "The Wizard of Oz" with the sound off. Cree-pee!!!!!

91 82. You're not kidding. It really put me in a foul mood. Lots of people I had had a shred of respect for lost it with their reposting of this mind-blowing pile of krep.

92
"No Democrat Politician ever got rich in this country on their own.

FIFY

93

You know that Bill Gates guy?  He drives on public funded roads!

 

And so does Warren Buffet. 

The other thing about Bill Gates, he almost lost his driver's license some years back.  He has a propensity for speeding (and yes, he does drive himself).  So he was using more than his fair share of police services.  He should have paid more. 

I'm surprised that leftards haven't figured out a way to base fines for traffic violations on a sliding scale, adjusted for income.  You know, to be more fair and everything.

 

94 Those marauding bands of thieves she refers to could probably be dealt with easier that the marauding bands of dummycrat politicians and their welfare recipient clientele.

95

Laura, you're just jealous that her hump is in her brain and so less noticeable.

Until she opens her mouth, that is.

96 The scan of the libs in that room shows they clearly haven't been following Moochelle's diet guidelines.

97 I'd sure like to know what Warren thinks the industrious business owner needs from shiftless layabouts and money-stealing governments.  Which of those things could support themselves?  Which need the others to survive?

And she still could be elected, because Massachusetts. 

98 21 It Takes a Village To Raise Plunder a Fortune.
Posted by: WalrusRex at September 22, 2011 11:39 AM (Hx5uv)

99 I still think Brown is favored to win, especially after diving into that PPP poll, which seems more and more like dishonest narrative-priming rather than anything authentic.

Brown has an uphill battle:

1) The MA machine can brute force a victory.  It did so in 2010.  He caught them off-guard last time.

2) MA will vote for Obama.  It's one of the few places where he is an asset, not a burden.  Dems down-ticket will benefit.

3) Brown ain't getting the same level of funding or support he got in 2009. 

100 Hey Liz...  where do I send the part of my B&O tax and insurance bill and excise tax and payroll expense and garbage and rent and telephone bill that you, the partner in my business, who wants part of my profits, is responsible for?

101 Before and after:
Elizabeth Warren Buffett.

102 In the UK the government won't even protrect you from the marauding bands.

103 Fuck all you rich bastards who don't pay for roads and education and police.  We want to take your money and we're not gonna give up until we get it!

104
Nobody is complaining about spending money for roads, police, and firemen.

We're complaining about AUNT FUCKING ZETUNI BUCKS.

We're complaining about AMTRAK.

We're complaining about giving away billions of dollars to Brazil.

We're complaining about WASTE and slush funds for unions.

105 What the hell? I can't masturbate to this.

106 how big a hunk do i get to keep? and since most of my employees were educated in mexico....{they all have green cards and have gone through everify} do i get to keep a bigger hunk? and if i higher someone who was educated by PRIVATE schools....do i get to keep a bigger hunk?

107 Domestic enemies of the Constitution make me feel nauseous. We really should seriously consider deporting quislings like this hideous carbuncle of "gimme gimme" philosophy to Cuba where they can frickin' starve in communist "luxury".

108 93 82.

You're not kidding. It really put me in a foul mood.

Lots of people I had had a shred of respect for lost it with their reposting of this mind-blowing pile of krep.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at September 22, 2011 11:48 AM (SB0V2)

I always return the favor by posting the constitution on their wall.

109

Nice to see the concept of an ownership society still thriving!

110 you opened a factory with your own money, well good for you.  now give it to us.

111 I want to go to Thomas L. Friedman's mansion, kick the frigging door in, kick his candy ass out and stake out the second floor for me and my family - in the name of the people, of course.

112 "It puts the wallet in the basket."

WINNAR!

113 Here's a real woman, exercising her 2nd Amendment rights:

http://tinyurl.com/3gchng4

114 “YOU didn’t have to worry about marauding bands would come and seize everything at your factory…” Since when does police and fire protect us from these Democrat voters?

115 The language of the looter.

116 106
Nobody is complaining about spending money for roads, police, and firemen.

We're complaining about AUNT FUCKING ZETUNI BUCKS.

We're complaining about AMTRAK.

We're complaining about giving away billions of dollars to Brazil.

We're complaining about WASTE and slush funds for unions.

Posted by: soothsayer at September 22, 2011 11:49 AM (sqkOB)

whrew!  I thought for sure...

117 So she wants to add Senator to her other title; Idiot.

118 Posted by: W.H. Doubter at September 22, 2011 11:50 AM (BJNwZ) I'll have a "Rules for Radicals" please. In a plain, brown wrapper...

119

I was thinking the same thing monty.

Everyday I run into two or three incidents of stories that are straight out of Atlas Shrugged.

 

 

120

I'm surprised that leftards haven't figured out a way to base fines for traffic violations on a sliding scale, adjusted for income.  You know, to be more fair and everything.

Posted by: runningrn at September 22, 2011 11:48 AM (0fUOB)

They actually do that in Europe.

121 >>I don't know where it comes from, but there are people like her everywhere. Indeed. Warren is from Oklahoma. We get stuck with nutbags from around the world because they feel the need to flock to Hahved and get enlightened.

122
and $16 muffins!

123 I love love love it when somebody brings up that road thing. Because the road I live on, my grandfather built. And the road up the mountain in Connecticut where he came from, same deal. Nobody paid him to do that, no co-operative effort, no feudal levy. He just got sick & tired of slogging through the muck, got out the truck and grader (wagon and grader, back east), and went the hell to it.  They seldom have an answer for that one.

Eddimucation? Wife's great-grandfather was the first teacher in the county. He built the schoolhouse. Got by on donations -- from the members of the Mennonite congregation he belonged to.

124 Since when does police and fire protect us from these Democrat voters? Posted by: ConservativeintheCity at September 22, 2011 11:51 AM (JourR) Think "Farenheit 451" where the firemen were sent to confiscate books and burn them. Capisce?

125 I think we should take this idea of Warren's and apply it here.  The authors of this blog are the evil business owners and the commenters are the workers.

POWER TO THE MORONS

126 Dear scary big-head congresswoman wanna-be lady:

You make kitty scared.

kthxbye

127 Hey Mr. Factory owner..that's a real nice business you got there..be a shame if something happened to it...warren's marauding moochers unleashed! *yipe!*

128 What does a $16 muffin taste like?

129 the hell is this woman talking about?

130 I wonder if we'll survive fools like this.

131 What a ditz, a dangerous ditz.Last weeks poll that put her in front of Brown by 2 points seems questionable at best...

132 125
and $16 muffins!

Posted by: soothsayer at September 22, 2011 11:51 AM (sqkOB)

&%^$

133 So do we have to address her as "ma'am" or will "comrade" suffice?

134 That was a captive audience Ms. Warren was speaking to. Have they been freed yet?

135

"Warren will 'fly' in Mass., don't doubt it for a second."

You got that right.  Her base - the moochers, the illegals, the trustafarians - love this shit.  The first two because they think they'll actually be movin' on up, the third because they know their wealth and lawyers isolate them from any moonbattery Warren comes up with.

I'm resigned to her being my next senator.  Meh.  After Scott Brown basically gave Barney Frank a happy ending and a Cleveland Steamer, I wasn't going to vote for the RINO idiot anyway.

Oh, almost forgot:  Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure.  _{(this message brought to you as a public service from Ace Of Spades, Inc., Corp., LLC., DDT, ETC.  All rights reserved)}

136 When did Locke become so controversial? I can't imagine too many politicians disagreeing with Warren's claim that roads, schools, police and firefighters are necessary for markets to function. You can't do business without the rule of law (*cough*Mexico*cough*) The social contract demands our government provide for these things with our taxes, and also compels citizens to throw off governments that fail to do so. You righties need some remedial citizenship classes. Start with the Declaration of Independence, which makes the case rather well, I think.

137 Warren's argument is the fallacy of the parasite that believes it is vital to the health of the host.

138 131 What does a $16 muffin taste like?

Posted by: Jane D'oh, Team MacPhail Family at September 22, 2011 11:52 AM (UOM4

I taste like FAIL

139

They actually do that in Europe.

 

I know.  I remember some dirty Skandi that owed like a million bucks or more for speeding.  I'm just surprised that hasn't washed up on our shores yet since we are already going down that Euro road to serfdom.

140 *cough* troll *cough*

141 What will these people do where there's nothing left to loot?

142 What does a $16 muffin taste like?

Like a repackaged day-old one.

143
House GOP needs to slash the Defense Justice Department's budget. Because they obviously have more money than they need.

$16 muffins.

Sonsofbitches.

144 If we all benefit from roads, schools, etc then WHY ARENT WE ALL RICH? Must be some other difference....hmmm

145
I can't imagine too many politicians disagreeing with Warren's claim that roads, schools, police and firefighters are necessary for markets to function.

Pleased to meet you, Dunce.

Won't you guess my name?

146 I wonder how prosperous we'd be if we didn't have so many parasites

147 O/T slightly but in my name is a link to a Palm Beach newspaper that says Debbie Wasserman Schultz' parents are as corrupt as she is.  Her step dad is serving time, and her mother may soon be.

148 Posted by: Jordan at September 22, 2011 11:53 AM (4z6KA) Even the Devil can quote scripture perfectly.

149 Lizzy Borden Warren took a tax
and gave your wallet 40 whacks
When she saw what she had done
She gave your assets 41.

150 I'm depressed. This all class warfare all the time shit is just demoralizing. I'm seriously thinking of giving up and closing my business. Things are getting worse and I see no end to it. Even if the Reps take all branches back, the machine is firmly in place. It's just a matter of small delays versus big leaps, depending on who's in power.

151
I can't imagine too many politicians disagreeing with Warren's claim that roads, schools, police and firefighters are necessary for markets to function.

No fucking shit, dunce.

152 I take issue with her "Part of the social contract you made with the rest of us..." Not so sure someone built a factory with the "social contract" in mind, other than the jobs and normal taxes it would provide the community. The "social contract" is something lefties imposed on the unwilling. And that's just a whole 'bother thread.

153 If it were truly "fair"  all the people that pay taxes and actually funded the roads and bridges and cops and firemen and teachers, wouldn't allow the dependent class to use the schools, roads or courts.

Stick that in your fallopian tube and smoke it, hippie.

154 She didn't mention how the liberal NY Times is delivered on these roads I paid for to spread leftists lies throughout the land.

155 >>Jordan at September 22, 2011 11:53 AM (4z6KA) Shut the fuck up dunce. You are talking to the 40% of the country that actually pays taxes, lots of them, and makes the precious social contract work. When we need a lecture on how a free country functions, you and your ilk will be the last we turn to.

156

 He built the schoolhouse. Got by on donations -- from the members of the Mennonite congregation he belonged to.

 

Whenever I see that word, I always think of the episode of Sledge Hammer, "Witless" that was a parody of the movie "Witness" as the setting was a "Manynote Community".  Heh!

Thank you for posting that, I needed a laugh after watching that screed!

157 The social contract demands our government provide for these things with our taxes, and also compels citizens to throw off governments that fail to do so.

The social contract "demands?"

You're doing it wrong.

158

 I keep saying that only crazy people run for office, these days. It doesn't matter what party they claim to represent, in this day and age, only sociopaths run for office...and they'll say absolutely anything if they think it'll get them elected.

I always say politics is where attention whores go who were too ugly for Hollywood.  They want money and power and, for the most part, care fuck all about what's actually good for the country or their constituents.  They're ready for their damn close-up, Mr. DeMille, and no tea party roaches better get in their way!

159 Did this take place in Salem?  It looks like a se'ance with Elizabeth Warren is channeling the spirit of Ted Kennedy.

160
So do we have to address her as "ma'am" or will "comrade" suffice?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 22, 2011 11:53 AM

Do we really have to go over this again?

161 Thank you Elizabeth Warren for opening my eyes! I need to stopmtaking advantage of my employees and set them free...pink slips for everyone tomorrow. I need to stop making a profit off my customers when I provide them with the goodsmand services they want, too. Holy crap, I've been so evil. You know what? I'm going to shut the doors and start an NGO. But my NGO will need some start up and operation money, so I'm gonna go shake down some governments for sweet sweet tax dollars and pressure some big corporations to willfully give me money or face my NGO dollar paid protesters and bad press machine.

162 Posted by: Ms Choksondik at September 22, 2011 11:56 AM (nxptv) Meh. Just go Greek. Every transaction is cash only, under the table.

163 Hello everybody! My name is Elizabeth and I have a problem...

164
So do we have to address her as "ma'am" or will "comrade" suffice?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 22, 2011 11:53 AM

Do we really have to go over this again?

Aw hell, sock fail. It was supposed to be:

165

52 "You don't need to worry about marauding bands coming to your factory and stealing everything."

Obviously, you're not Gibson Guitars.

Posted by: arhooley at September 22, 2011 11:43 AM (YPgE/)

 

Or Boeing.

 

166
Yeah, wow. Great fucking point!

We do need taxes for roads and shit. Gee, Wally, why didn't I see it, before?

167

Not so sure someone built a factory with the "social contract" in mind, other than the jobs and normal taxes it would provide the community. The "social contract" is something lefties imposed on the unwilling.

 

Seriously!  Businesses exist to make money--not to create jobs or provide benefits for "the community".  Unfortunately, libtards fail to understand that concept. 

168

Cool, so looks like Scott Brown's seat is a keeper then!

Also, if I remember correctly from the Coakley debacle, Massholes don't vote for women who run for senate.

Yep, Coakley wasn't shrill enough for the Dems to get behind.

169

>>>"You don't need to worry about marauding bands coming to your factory and stealing everything."

Like when Harry Truman tried to nationalize the Steel Industry in 1952?

170

And more from our series: Fun Facts That Lefties Just Pull Out Of Their Ass!

171
Still couldn't get it right. Can I get a job in the federal government now?

172 It takes a village to get rich; well actually, five or six villages or one medium sized town.

173 What does a $16 muffin taste like?

It tastes like the dictatorship of the proletariat.

174 i'm really tired of this social contract shit.....you know what the social contract is? BE A FUCKING DECENT HUMAN BEING....WHO GOES TO WORK PAYS YOUR BILLS TAKES CARE OF YOUR FAMILY AND DOESN'T FUCKING BOTHER OTHER PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING THE SAME THING...KEEP YOUR GOD DAMN EYES AND MITS OFF OF MY PRIZE!

175 Posted by: Jordan
.........
Jordan, you conveniently fall into the same trap most libtards do.

You try to justify the confiscation of wealth by the federal government by using local services as the example.  It doesn't work.

Locally, we have referendums.  My town has foregone upgrades to fire departments, roads and school building projects.  Because the electorate (citizens) have rejected those spending projects.

What my town does for roads, fire readiness, police, schools has nothing to do with what level of spending we allow the fedds to do.

176 Arhooley: Was saying to myself, what the hell did I say????? Whew!

177 124the protesters have stopped yelling, now singing hemms..... Atlanta news says Cops from everywhere are there now tobe there when he gets it.

Posted by: Breaking News at September 21, 2011 11:09 PM (IXszZ

Print more money!!

178 I can't imagine too many politicians disagreeing with Warren's claim that roads, schools, police and firefighters are necessary for markets to function.

Posted by: Jordan at September 22, 2011 11:53 AM (4z6KA) 

I think the sticking point is her claim that the rich should pay more for the use of those services because they are rich.

179 Marauding bands? Shit. Ain't nothin', Lizzy. Tell 'em about the aliens!

180 This condescending cocktail party bitch is going to make Coakley's campaign look good. She's the same exact candidate with even bigger turn-offs than Coakley in the personality department. Remember she doesn't have a gerrymandered district or a war-chest of government bacon to guarantee her votes from the dependent class. Her base isn't as big as one would think, even in this crooked state.

181 If those "greedy" businesses disappeared, how would the likes of Elizabeth Warren fare?

If the likes of Elizabeth Warren disappeared, how would businesses fare?

I rest my case.

182
Watch this:

"We need to stop government waste."

After we put it in the Left Wing Strawman Translator Machine:

"We hate ALL taxes and ALL government services!"

183

>>>"You don't need to worry about marauding bands coming to your factory and stealing everything."

Like when Harry Truman tried to nationalize the Steel Industry in 1952?

Posted by: Ben at September 22, 2011 11:58 AM

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That's so last century (as is the American steel industry). Try Maxine Waters threatening to nationalize the oil industry.

184 You didn't open that factory on your own, haters. Somebody had to pay for the OSHA inspector that shut your jobsite down over an extension cord with a broken ground plug. Somebody had to pay to educate your employees on proper fisting technique when they were in school.

185 113 I want to go to Thomas L. Friedman's mansion, kick the frigging door in, kick his candy ass out and stake out the second floor for me and my family - in the name of the people, of course.Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 22, 2011 11:50 AM (UlUS4)

That arrangement would be "more just"

I so wish the dialogue from Dr. Zhivago upon Yuri's return to the family home in Moscow were available on-line - it fits this group to a "T".

186 163. Yeah, you know what? Maybe the old townsfolk of Salem DID have a point way back when! Jesu what a bunch of harridans

187 27 That Bitch is insane.

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at September 22, 2011 11:40 AM (ZDUD4)

I was gonna say she's a contemporary fabian espousing dangerous propaganda to lazy-minded, envious pseudo-intellectuals but I gotta say I like yours much better.

Gee, I sure would appreciate knowing how big of a hunk Ms. Warren will allow me to keep.

188 178 i'm really tired of this social contract shit.....you know what the social contract is? BE A FUCKING DECENT HUMAN BEING....WHO GOES TO WORK PAYS YOUR BILLS TAKES CARE OF YOUR FAMILY AND DOESN'T FUCKING BOTHER OTHER PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING THE SAME THING...KEEP YOUR GOD DAMN EYES AND MITS OFF OF MY PRIZE! Wow, if one of those candidates in the sitcom called the GOP debates spouted something like that they could sew up the election.

189 Well , in fairness those public roads make pretty good fire lanes . Sucks if you're a potential looter having to cross 50 yds of open asphalt to get to my store .

190 144What will these people do where there's nothing left to loot?

Posted by: weew at September 22, 2011 11:54 AM (7RbI

Print more money!

(correction from previous post ) 181

191

The "Social Contract" is clearly superior to the United States Constitution, which was written in an old, funny, hard to understand language over a hunnert years ago. 

 

By slaveowners. 

192 I just called my husband and told him I was sending him the vid of this scrunt, and I wanted to give him a heads up that he owes the success of his business to roads, public education, and the lack of marauding bands of thugs.  But mostly roads.  And liberals.

He's not amused.

193 I wonder what her net worth is and how she got it?

194

Great letter to the editor in the WSJ today:

 

"Regarding Kinde Durkee's alleged theft of Democratic campaign funds in CA ('Fraud Case Rocks Democratic Party,' page one, Sept. 14):  Perhaps she didn't view it as theft, but as her own personal effort to spread the wealth around."

Jim Norman, Lake Forest, CA

 

Heh!  It gave me a warm fuzzy feeling in my cold, little black bean heart.

 

 

 

195 You rich fat cats amassed your obscene fortunes by on the backs of the little man! Those McMansions you live in? Built on land that could have been turned into a communal dog park! Or an organic garden! That water you brush your teeth with? Filtered and piped into your house through the miracle of public funds! The workers who assemble your gee-gaws at less-than-living-wage? They could have gone into non-profit public service if you hadn't seduced them with promises of wicked material wealth! They could have organized countless games of Ultimate Frisbee to raise awareness for Darfur or collected hundreds of signatures on petitions for banning plastic grocery bags! That gold on your Rolexes and rings and swimming pools? Mined from mountains which should have been public domain and were originally stolen from Native Americans! Etcetera! Etcetera!

196 YIKES!  What just happened?  I'm all boxed in....

197

Wow, it's blue! 

198 He's not amused. Jane D'oh, Team MacPhail Family at September 22, 2011 12:02 PM (UOM4 I'm dying over here!!!! That's humorous!!!

199 182 I can't imagine too many politicians disagreeing with Warren's claim that roads, schools, police and firefighters are necessary for markets to function.

Posted by: Jordan at September 22, 2011 11:53 AM (4z6KA) 

I think the sticking point is her claim that the rich should pay more for the use of those services because they are rich.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 22, 2011 11:59 AM (FkKjr)

And placing business owners/job creators on the same moral plane as degenerate hippie out of work child molesters because we "all use the roads" and therefore, the business owners/job creators are somehow in debt to society for paying for (or, more accurately NOT paying for) the infrastructure is so mind-numbingly stupid that it does 1 thing and 1 thing only:

Re-convince me (happens daily) that progressives are completely fucking insane and you can never reason with them.

200 Her base isn't as big as one would think, even in this crooked state.
Posted by: Blue Falcon
........
She is the darling of the left.. they are already throwing money bomb parties for her over at Daily Kooks.  She will have as much money as she needs.

201 So if these rich folks can do it, what the hell is wrong with the rest of you ?

202 Laura broke the interwebs...

203 198, She's a college prof.

204 Start with the Declaration of Independence, which makes the case rather well, I think.

A Massachusetts Democrat should be very familiar with this particular passage:

He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.

205 You people in MA like your communist scrunts, you can keep your communist scrunts....in MA.

Make her your governor, but keep her the hell out of DC.

On second thought, if MA likes this kind of scrunt and believes what she is saying, why not secede from the union. You can build your own communist utopia there and we will not stop you.

206

Arrogant ignorance on full display.  Warren lists three government funded services that she believes justifies raising federal income taxes on the rich – roads, education, and public safety.

All three functions have traditionally been local responsibilities, not the function of the federal government.  In most states police, fire and education have traditionally been funded by a tax on real property and so, because his factory is worth more, the evil factory owner already pays a disproportionate amount for those services.  Roads were first privately funded, constructed and operated. Some still are.  The Ambassador Bridge and Indiana Toll Road are two current examples. Kasich has said he'd consider the same for the Ohio Toll road.  Almost since the advent of cars, roads have been funded by a tax on gasoline – essentially a use tax – and not by the federal income tax.

Maybe when talking about federal spending, instead of roads, education, and public safety, Warren really meant to say “mohair subsidy” or Solyndra.

207

Well , in fairness those public roads make pretty good fire lanes . Sucks if you're a potential looter having to cross 50 yds of open asphalt to get to my store .

 

That's why the thieves in the Portland, OR area prefer using the light rail. 

208 201 YIKES! What just happened? I'm all boxed in.... Posted by: Tami at September 22, 2011 12:03 PM (X6akg) It's starting already. They know. They're coming!

209 OMG teh interwebz iz broke!

210

"You don't need to worry about marauding bands coming to your factory and stealing everything."

We have to worry about the Government doing that.

211 Elizabeth Warren is a Yankees Fan.

212 Who the fuck died and made you guys king? Can we see some test scores or something that proves that you know more than me? How about this, start a company, hire some people, and make a profit without using tax payer money.

213 You have more stuff than I do. I want your stuff. Give me your stuff.

214 Zombie Troy Davis' revenge...

215

Guy Fawkes for the win at # 153!

Please report to the office and collect your interwebs, sir.

216
She makes $400K/yr, btw, at Harvard U.

217 "i'm really tired of this social contract shit.....you know what the social contract is? BE A FUCKING DECENT HUMAN BEING....WHO GOES TO WORK PAYS YOUR BILLS TAKES CARE OF YOUR FAMILY AND DOESN'T FUCKING BOTHER OTHER PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING THE SAME THING...KEEP YOUR GOD DAMN EYES AND MITS OFF OF MY PRIZE!" Then move to a dictatorship. The social contract is baked into America's founding documents and it will take more than a bunch of reactionaries bitching and moaning to remove it. "Governments deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed." The useful argument is what exactly a just power is (schools? police? universal health care? casual fridays?), not whether or not we should scrap the social contract.

218

Very good three part series over at Gates of Vienna on; The End.  Probably would have been better on the DOOM thread, but hey, weÂ’re DOOMed.  Live with it.  That doesnÂ’t seem to make any sense for some reason.

219 "You don't need to worry about marauding bands coming to your factory and stealing everything." Although we will send busses of union thugs to your house if you get out of line.

220 @160, the setting was a "Manynote Community".  Heh!

Kind of deep humor there. Old Order don't believe in singing in harmony.  Somebody at least knew what they were making fun of.

221 Warren's screeching is just a de-prettified version of the standard sales pitch used at PBS during their fund raising drives ...

222 Ack!  Did #AttackWatch get us?!

223 198 I wonder what her net worth is and how she got it?

Good question.  Furthermore, does she utilize tax-loopholes, deductions, and other such tricks to shield her net worth from paying some those taxes which she claims have done so much good through: roads (which are currently falling apart), public education ('nuff said there), and police (which Lizzy and her ilk would use more as the food/enviro-tard police rather than for pursing criminals and terrorists)

224 Yeah, you know what? Maybe the old townsfolk of Salem DID have a point way back when!

Jesu what a bunch of harridans

Posted by: BlackOrchid at September 22, 2011 12:01 PM (SB0V2)

I think idiots like Elizabitch Warren believe themselves to be the Cotton Mathers in this story, and all the eeeeeeevil Republicans, conservatives, and Tea Party types are the witches.  So they're startled and confused when we don't lay back and croak, "More weight!" ala Giles Corey, and instead fight back and take them out at the knees with our hobo cannons.

225 Yes, if you're successful, you benefited from all those advantages: public roads, public safety, public education (to some extent). But guess what? All those people out there who failed also had those advantages available to them. So why don't we collect from them too, since they used all those resources? Oh, because they don't have the money (since they failed) and you do (since you succeeded)?

Well, then, now it's all clear. It's not about being fair about paying for that use, since if it was, both successful and failed companies should pay the same. It's not about being fair about the role of those factors in your success because they don't scale: if your business doubles in size, that doesn't mean that the public factors were twice as effective. It's about getting the money from somebody, and you've got it, and she wants it so she can gain political power by spending your money on other people. This is fair, all right: fair, that is, as defined by four-year-olds.

226 Whose missing closing tag is hanging out there for all to see?

227 It really is amazing to me why it never occurs to her why nobody would open a factory or take a risk at all in her utopian dreams of America.

228 The thrust of these comments is clear. (Leave aside the fact that the wars were in response to being attacked. (She's right about the drug benefit not being paid for, though.)) "Pay it forward" means, to people like her, "do as the government says." The end state of this philosophy is corporatism, in which only large corporations who can satisfy the government's requirements survive and flourish. The other name for corporatism is fascism. This is the end state of her philosophy, and she knows it and work toward it with the fervor of a zealot. That's what we're fighting against: the death of individual initiative and success and the rise of the all-encompassing corporatist state.

229 MARKET DOWN 421 as of 12:07PM

230 Thats a whole lot a stupid right there: If we hadnt such good roads and bridges the marauding bands wouldnt reach my factory in the first place....

231 How did all the wonderful schools and roads and stuff get there with the old non-confiscatory tax rates?

232 I'm sending money to Scott Brown. Again.

233 Elizabeth Warren:  "If you are successful, you owe us a piece of the action".  Isn't that exactly how the mob operates?  Not to mention the fact that the marginal cost of one factory on the roads and infrastructure is  far less than the current tax burden the owner of that factory faces.

234 Posted by: joncelli at September 22, 2011 12:07 PM (RD7QR) Look on the front of a US dime = FDR Look on the back = the bundle of sticks, "FASCIS"

235 Troy Davis was a product of public education (high school graduate), and enjoyed the use of roads, firefighters, and *cough* police protection *cough*.  Wonder what went wrong?

236 Business's should just take out their checkbook and ask how much it will take to get the gvt. and their workers off their back.

guess it's become a protection racket. pay up or we will insult, demean, and threaten you,and  if that doesn't work we'll take your stuff.

237 "You don't need to worry about marauding bands coming to your factory and stealing everything."

Why is everyone looking at us?

238 Ooh, Rush addressing this now.

239 Hey, we're back from the alternate universe; RUSH IS ON NOW BLASTING WARREN.

240

Ahhh... but the Best Part?

In her world, being organized to do good things, and create, is Good, if you are the Government, but Bad if you are a Company.

241 God, I love this place. 

242 All I heard was "From each according to their abilities. To each according to their needs."

243 btw, who's funding her campaign? Give to Scott Brown. I know it hurts, but MAKE THE UNIONS SPEND.

244 Dow -406 ........

245 189 You didn't open that factory on your own, haters.

Somebody had to pay for the OSHA inspector that shut your jobsite down over an extension cord with a broken ground plug.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 22, 2011 12:00 PM (z/Mo

Reminds me of a jobsite where the yocal OSHA dude shows up, and one of the contractors knows hes fucked, so he bailed out the back window and took off and didn't come back for 3 hours(that osha guy was there about that long)

246

OK.  Lemme see here.  In my factory in WI, our business pays property taxes, personal property taxes (hate this one the mostest), state sales taxes, state income taxes, state unemployment taxes (including a "special assessment" this year), federal income taxes, federal unemployment taxes, and federal payroll taxes (FICA and Medicare).   On top of that, every dime the business borrows is backed by an unlimited personal guarantee from me.  Every. Dime.

And so I'm not paying it forward already?  Really?  Really?  Bitch, please.

247 Get r done Rush!

248 I'd just as soon have private citizens deal with marauding bands than the government. They'd be much more effective than the government, and then politicians wouldn't use it as an excuse to loot businesses.

249

I'm surprised that leftards haven't figured out a way to base fines for traffic violations on a sliding scale, adjusted for income.  You know, to be more fair and everything.

Posted by: runningrn at September 22, 2011 11:48 AM (0fUOB)
 
You're waay behind the times. This rich Swedish driver faced a nearly $1 million speeding fine (I don't know the final outcome on this).
 

250

Annnnd...   THIS is why I stay a one-man business at a semi-retired level of activity.

I do help others become sellf-sufficient but refuse to be a slave to the likes of her by doing the hard work of hiring and all the wasteful things I would have to do to keep the wolves like her from my door.

It aint worth dying earlier from the stress if I can do as well or better by not even getting yoked by them in the first place.

251 Troy Davis was a product of public education (high school graduate), and enjoyed the use of roads, firefighters, and *cough* police protection *cough*.  Wonder what went wrong?

Posted by: Jane D'oh, Team MacPhail Family at September 22, 2011 12:09 PM (UOM4

 

Obviously, he was convicted by a racist jury, and condemned by racists who were all too racisty to notice that he was just a victim of being born the wrong color in a racist world full of racists.

Racist.

252 That looks nice a nice house she's giving a speech in. Very nice, in fact. Just saying.

253 Posted by: Jordan at September 22, 2011 12:06 PM (4z6KA) And when the consent of the governed is ignored, and when the government becomes a tyranny against the will of the people, we have the right to remove that government. You are one mixed up dude, dude.

254

"BJ Clinton has blown up Obama's class warfare strategery"

 

Bwhahaha!  The words Bill Clinton and Blown up shouldn't be used in the same sentence...

255 I'm too lazy to read all of the above; did anyone comment about how she makes this distinction between the one who builds the factory and "the rest of us"? Like the guy who built the factory didn't also pay taxes for roads and police? It's subtle, but there's this emotional argument at work: Mr. Pennybags, you got rich while the rest of us footed the bill for the public works that enabled your wealth, so now, it's payback time.

Oh, and all the people clapping? Barf. They actually believe this garbage?

256 245 Ooh, Rush addressing this now.

Good to know that, unlike Ace, Rush reads this blog, . 

257 Maybe we should offer a deal. We'll keep the cops, the roads, and "fire forces," and ditch all the useless welfare programs, public pensions, EPA bureaucrats, and outright scams like Solyndra. Sound good?

258 Tried to watch two different times. Couldn't. Yuck!

259 Is she fucking insane? I gotta ask. Its the taxes *I* pay as a small business owner, and as a private citizen, that funds the roads, the police, the army, and so on. I pay for this now. Right fucking now. And you don't think I built my goddamned business on my own? You don't think I am the only one who was willing to take a fucking risk on my vision? You think that society as a whole contributed to my business growing and being successful? So, in the deepest dark of the credit crunch, where was society with the capital to back the asset purchases I needed to fulfill orders when the banks wouldn't? The banks that are partially publicly owned, too big to fail, yet probably should? What grew my business was the intense backbreaking labor I put into my business. The complex financial arrangements, and the risks *I* fucking took. The danger to my families well being by literally risking every fucking thing we had in order to pursue this, while this idiot and her fellow travelers were busy raping larger versions of businesses and denying their rightful owners their assets handing everything over to their buddies. Lady, you have no business being in government. You have no business teaching. You have no fucking clue what it takes to start, grow, run a business. OMFG

260
Hi, everyone!

I hate taxes as much as the rest of you but you know what? Obama is right about closing loopholes.

I mean, it's not like corporate jet owners are flying around and creating lots of jobs, right? They're gallivanting around and having fun.

261 Posted by: Guy Fawkes at September 22, 2011 11:56 AM (jiVmv)

That's a winner!

262 Okay. Enough. LauraW - pick a winner.

263

That looks nice a nice house she's giving a speech in. Very nice, in fact. Just saying.

 

I thought that too.  And it's big--there's a large number of people there.  I liked the French doors in that one room too. 

Shouldn't Elizabeth Warren be soliciting donations from welfare queens and hobos?  Shouldn't the setting be a mud hut without any electricity or indoor plumbing?

264 252 189 You didn't open that factory on your own, haters.

Somebody had to pay for the OSHA inspector that shut your jobsite down over an extension cord with a broken ground plug.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 22, 2011 12:00 PM (z/Mo

My husband just had to report a six-foot long Eastern diamondback rattler on a job site to OSHA.  The guy he's hired to deal with the snake looks like a redneck Ashton Kutcher, complete with a trucker hat and a pet squirrel.

265 Elizabeth Warren is a Yankees Fan. Posted by: Scott Brown at September 22, 2011 12:05 PM (EPcuy) Sorry pal but we don't let commie bastards into the Bronx.

266 “You built a factory out there? Good for you. But I want to be clear. You moved your goods to market on the roads the rest of us paid for.

And if I take my factory away you get Detroit.

The choice is pretty simple IMO. You want a reasonable portion of my profits or none?

267 If the government had built roads in Detroit, they'd all be millionaires by now.

268 Some call for a marauding band?

269 The Democrat part has always been a protection racket. Look at how they treat women, blacks, gays, entertainment figures, etc. that are not Democrats. They nit-pick everything they do, even make up false stuff about them. But if they are Democrats they get shielded from all criticism.

270

"You don't need to worry about marauding bands coming to your factory and stealing everything."

Where does Warren get this stuff?  Was she ambassador to Cape Town under Clinton or something?

271 Oh, and BTW, her side has had the worst post WWII recovery. That is, Obama's policies have had the same terrible impact on the economy as FDR's. People like her are merely intellectual window dressing for totalitarians, she's just covering up for money grabs. Think about it, Obama's recovery is worse than everyone who the smugs think they're better than.

272 Public Notice : Sorry to our maruding band customers, we are closed due to stupid govt regulations and high taxes.  We sincerely hope you can find your spears and axes elsewhere.

273
It's not like there's such a thing as corporate jet mechanics.

Or corporate jet manufacturers and plant workers.

Or corporate jet engineers.

Or airport employees.

Or...

274

Posted by: Jordan at September 22, 2011 12:06 PM (4z6KA)

Hmmm... I seem to remember us talking and debating about a Consitution a couple of hundred years ago...

But just where can I get a look at this so called 'Social Contract'?  Because I sure did not sign it... and it sure seems to have changed from I don't hurt you, you don't hurt me... to the tyranny of the Weak.

 

275 I mean, it's not like corporate jet owners are flying around and creating lots of jobs, right? They're gallivanting around and having fun.

Only in your world is that caricature real.

Fuck off.

276

She'll win. She's just standing up for the little guy who has never had a chance because he has no skills, initiative, or good work habits. Someone needs to give him a hand and some of your money,  she is just the gal to do it, and he will be grateful at the ballot box. A timeproven political equation.

 It's a winner!

277
And yachts and speed boats should be taxed, too.

They don't create jobs.

278 I know several people who will be posting this screed on their FB pages because they already love Elizabeth Warren from her Consumer Protection days, and yeah, they will be orgasmic.

279 "You don't need to worry about marauding bands coming to your factory and stealing everything." For some reason...Susan Kelo comes to mind...not the factory part, but "marauding bands" and "stealing EVERYTHING" sure does.

280 Marauding bands?  Come on!  I like to call them "asset relocation consultants".

281 287, Hookers, tax the hookers.

282 249 All I heard was "From each according to their abilities. To each according to their needs."

Posted by: jukin at September 22, 2011 12:09 PM (vkkNZ)

All I heard was, "Stick 'em up and give me all your money."

283 Marauding bands use roads too, scrunt.

284 Now, at the risk of being unpopular, this poster places the blame for all of this squarely on YOU, the producers! /Kent Brockman

285 Posted by: John Galt at September 22, 2011 12:12 PM (9NQ6I) Too bad you weren't at that bund meeting. Then again, you might not have got out with all your teeth.

286 Just one tiny piece of what Warren has wrong is the notion that anyone who has successfully built a business owes a debt to the government for the public education it provided the employees of that business. I'd say she has that part exactly backwards; one of the big problems with the workforce today is their stunning lack of education, thanks to our broken public schools.

287 She can see economic collapse from her front porch, but sadly she perceives it to be a progressive utopia. It is a sad day in our country when someone can rant about using the police power of government to take wealth from those who produced it at the point of a gun. In reality her platform is biblical. Using the 10th (thou shall not covet) to perpetrate the 8th (thou shall not steal).

288 @268 I mean, it's not like corporate jet owners are flying around and creating lots of jobs, right? They're gallivanting around and having fun.

There is a vast multitude of good paying jobs in the corp jet business. Pilots, Flight attendants, dispatchers, mechanics, caterers... to name a few.

289 Dow -406 ........

Wow!  This Lizzie Warren chick works fast.

290 wait, what? What did Rush just say about pensions of $150K a year? FUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKK

291

Ms. Warren,

Let me see if I can explain how the whole economy and tax thing work.

Businesses, like the one I am part owner in, create goods and services which require people to do the work.  When people do the work, they typically want to get paid.  That money they receive can be taxed although the federal government only seems interested in taxing the top 50% or so of earners.  What also can be taxed is the goods and services that my business creates.  Any left over money my business has at the end of the year can also be taxed.  Without business created goods and services and jobs, there is nothing to tax.  Without those taxes, created by businesses like mine, there is no money to build roads or pay for police or build schools or pay for teachers.

So instead of you and the rest of you who do not contribute anything meaningful to society thinking you are my partner deserving in a cut of my profits, who don't you just say thank you to me and those of us who are taking the risk, against the odds, to create, to build, to allow people like you to get paid to squander the tax revenue we create.

292 I just can't watch that video. If I want to see/hear pointless stupid blathering from an imbecile I'll watch "Family Guy". It ain't funny, but it is stupid, the same as Liz.

293 I mean, it's not like corporate jet owners are flying around and creating lots of jobs, right? They're gallivanting around and having fun.

"Long time republican", eh?  Are you also a "concerned Christian conservative"?

Only a fool believes this stereotype to be true of CEO.

I'll let the great Milton Friedman provide the retort. 

Why soaking the rich won't work. 

294 HERE GOES RUSH............

295

oh just another commmie carpetbagger from the realm of harvard in the workers collevtive of cambridge.  sadly she will garner a lot of votes as she will channel the ghosts of the kennedys and rise to heights in demonizing the so called rich and those that actually employ people.

296 I have seen the enemy and it is her .

297 297 @268 I mean, it's not like corporate jet owners are flying around and creating lots of jobs, right? They're gallivanting around and having fun.

There is a vast multitude of good paying jobs in the corp jet business. Pilots, Flight attendants, dispatchers, mechanics, caterers... to name a few.

Posted by: Willy at September 22, 2011 12:16 PM (Ja9VH)

This.

298
What about the public school teacher who taught the corporate jet owner all about business and profits?

Doesn't he or she deserve a piece of the corporate jet owner's hunk of money?

299 Sock off

300 These idiots are on the soapbox making it a black/white argument.  "Look how beneficient government is, what would you all do without it?  Yada, yada..... Society can't live without it, so more government must always be better. " But nobody is arguing that all government is completely unnecessary.   It's a strawman.

The real argument is "How much is too much, and how much is not enough?" 

We've finally reached the point (30 years ago actually) where I can't think of one area where we need MORE government.  It's the end of the road for infinite government expansion.

301

She starts out with "This is not about class warfare", and then launches into a 'you (the rich) got wealthy off of the backs of us (the worker)'.

Spasiba, Comrade Warren.

302 (sqkOB)

Always check the hash.

303

You think that society as a whole contributed to my business growing and being successful?

Oh, she knows full well that you did it yourself.

This isn't ignorance speaking. It's something far worse.

304 Everything you hold dear was given to you by the government. And if the government doesn't keep spending 4+ Trillion dollars a year (much of which is borrowed) then society will collapse, cats and dogs will live together.

305 "Look on the front of a US dime = FDR Look on the back = the bundle of sticks, "FASCIS" Posted by: J.J. Sefton" You're a complete fucking moron. The Roosevelt dime has a torch on the back and always has. The flag of the House of Representatives, on the other hand, has two fasces - one for Boehner and one for Cantor. Lolz.

306 Since I've got the pistol , I'll keep the peso's .
Yeah , that seems fair .

307 Yea, my comment was judged awesome. That's gonna carry me the rest of the day!

308

I have a modest proposal: let's tax the shit out of Ivy League tuition. Oh, and while we're at it, on Ivy League endowments, too. And let's not forget Ivy League professorial salaries. After all, they were educated by the taxpayers.

It's time that they pay their fair share. Fifty percent or so on tuition and 5%/yr on endowments strikes me as eminently fair. Let those who have so much pay their fair share.

(How you like them apples, Liz?)

309

Jesus, I'm sore.

310 We really screwed up when we gave them the electric starter.

311 The government that can give some all that they want, invariably denies some of all they earn.

312

It's no wonder Breitbart desires you

 

I have it on good authority that Breitbart wants me...

313 295 I'd say she has that part exactly backwards; one of the big problems with the workforce today is their stunning lack of education, thanks to our broken public schools. Posted by: Piñon Farmer at September 22, 2011 12:16 PM (IzuWw)   I whole heartedly agree the current state of education is a problem and just throwing mor emoney at it from out taxes is not the #$%$#% answer.

314 then she saw the answer; she saw the secret premise behind their words. with all of their noisy devotion to the age of science, their hysterically technological jargon, their cyclotrons, their sound rays, these men were moved forward, not by the image of an industrial skyline, but by the vision of that form of existence which the industrialists had swept away – the vision of a fat, unhygienic rajah of india, with vacant eyes staring in indolent stupor out of stagnant layers of flesh, with nothing to do but run previous gems through his fingers and, once in a while, stick a knife into the body of a starved, toil-dazed, germ-eaten creature, as a claim to a few grains of the creature’s rice, then claim it from hundreds of millions of such creatures and thus let the rice grains gather into gems. she had thought that industrial production was a value not to be questioned by anyone; she had thought that these men’s urge to expropriate the factories of others was their acknowledgment of the factories’ value. she, born of the industrial revolution, had not held as conceivable, had forgotten along with the tales of astrology and alchemy, what these men knew at their secret, furtive souls, knew not by means of thought, but by means of that nameless much which they called their instincts and emotions: that so long as men struggle to stay alive, they’ll never produce so little but that the man with the club won’t be able to seize it and leave them still less, provided millions of them are willing to submit – that the harder their work and the less their gain, the more submissive the fiber of their spirit – that men who live by pulling levers at an electric switchboard, are not easily ruled, but men who live by digging the soil with their naked fingers, are – that the feudal baron did not need electronic factories in order to drink his brains away out of jeweled goblets, and neither did the rajahs of the people’s state of india.

315
Everything falls under the tax umbrella of roads, police, and firefighters.

NPR, Amtrak, Planned Abortionhood, etc.

316 Ugh, my apologies, soothsayer.  I should have known better.

I'll remember the rule next time. 

317 Re: Tax Nonsense: Hey lady, It's called a percentage.

318 What did Rush have to say?

319 Where does Warren get this stuff?  Was she ambassador to Cape Town under Clinton or something?

Someone also asked about where she got her money.

I'm pretty sure she, and her parents, have been in a bubble. The Warren name goes back to the Mayflower, I believe. She is most likely a trust fund baby and is familiar with social register types. Horatio Alger types are not her cup of tea.

320 We're currently recruiting at our Detroit offices!

321
brb, pokin holes in Jordan Warren's stupid arguments

322 Why is everyone looking at us?

Posted by: GWAR at September 22, 2011 12:09 PM (tqwMN)

 

Human Filth!

323 Oh. we have an "attack troll" Love those.  They die the best.

324

I for one will be voting for Ms. Professor Warren.  She is absolutely spot on! 

325 Look at any factory town that has lost it's factory, any city that loses it's major industry, and see how those roads, schools and public services are doing 10 years later.

326

By the way, I have an honest question regarding this "fair share" that certain people should pay: How much is it?

Precisely, how much? Give me a number.

Because I never come across an exact figure. There's never a number where they'll say X and that's it. Is it 55%? 65%? 90%? If you tax the highest earners at 90%, will you stop there? Those people will still be rich, even if Elizabeth Warren takes away nine-tenths of what they make.

All I eer hear is "more."

327 ehh, she's pandering...I heard the same argument from my leftwing Political Economy prof.   That's what the lefties all tell each other, in support of Communitarianism or some shit.

But it really adds insult to injury, when you realize most small businessmen have to put all their assets on the line, over and over, just to get financing, letters of credit, bid bonds & whatnot.   A guy's got to really have some guts.  I know I don't have it.

328 You're a complete fucking moron. The Roosevelt dime has a torch on the back and always has. The flag of the House of Representatives, on the other hand, has two fasces - one for Boehner and one for Cantor. Lolz. Posted by: Jordan at September 22, 2011 12:20 PM (4z6KA) I know I'm a moron, but a FUCKING moron?! By the way, the back of the "mercury" dime has the fascis. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mercury_dime.jpg

329 And yachts and speed boats should be taxed, too.

They don't create jobs.
Posted by: long time republican at September 22, 2011 12:15 PM (sqkOB

unicorns dropped those jets and boats  into our laps, no engineers, no craftsman or mechanics. etc.

330 Wow!  I am shocked that Elizabeth Warren is married (per Rush).  I thought she was either a man-hating feminzai or a lesbonic mafia type.  I wonder what her husband is like.

331 This chick is another bearded marxist, hopefully Scott Brown can do better at pointing this out than hapless CO'D.

332 319

Jesus, I'm sore.

Posted by: The Chicken at September 22, 2011 12:20 PM (BvTwT)

Don't look at me...

333 I think the USSR proved that capitalism and private property don't work. /sarc

334 Actually any form of pleasure should be taxed additionally.

335 E. "red" Herring good stuff

336

It's no wonder Breitbart desires you. The covetous bitch. I'll cut him if he tries to take my Morons.

 

He doesn't stand a chance.

No Hump.

337 Holy f*ck, Rush reveals she has something I would never have guessed: a maiden name.

338 Someone also asked about where she got her money.

I'm pretty sure she, and her parents, have been in a bubble. The Warren name goes back to the Mayflower, I believe. She is most likely a trust fund baby and is familiar with social register types. Horatio Alger types are not her cup of tea.

Posted by: fluffy, Masshole at September 22, 2011 12:22 PM (4Kl5M)

They built their fortune on the backs of murdered and swindled Native Americans. I'm part Native American, and I want my pound of flesh. How can she deny me? Repairations baby!

339 Jeebus.  She sounds even more shrill and shrewish on Rush.  {{shudder}}

340
Jets and speedboats appear out of thin air.

Just like all those pennies from Heaven that fall into the hands of a few rich white men.

341 Elizabeth Warren's maiden name is HERRING?!!! A RED HERRING??!!!

342 **I think the USSR proved that capitalism and private property don't work. /sarc** Yeah, the socialists also said that the famines in Ethiopia also "proved that capitalism and private property don't work."

343 341 Wow!  I am shocked that Elizabeth Warren is married (per Rush).  I thought she was either a man-hating feminzai or a lesbonic mafia type.  I wonder what her husband is like.

Posted by: runningrn at September 22, 2011 12:24 PM (0fUOB)

I'll run down to the basement, remove the gag ball and ask him.

344 341 Wow! I am shocked that Elizabeth Warren is married (per Rush). I thought she was either a man-hating feminzai or a lesbonic mafia type. I wonder what her husband is like. Chaz Bono.

345 348 Holy f*ck, Rush reveals she has something I would never have guessed: a maiden name.

Posted by: arhooley at September 22, 2011 12:25 PM (YPgE/)

Please tell me she didn't breed.

346

Mrs Warren is saying that all men are not created equal, that they are not endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights  but instead all men are born under a social contract where rights are dispersed and managed by Mrs. Warren and the people are bound by the desires of  Mrs Warren.

347 To each according to his needs,...well. you know how the rest goes.

348 My boner may have ran away for good.

349

"There is a new term liberals are starting to use and revive--'pay it forward'".

Rush

350 We've finally reached the point (30 years ago actually) where I can't think of one area where we need MORE government. It's the end of the road for infinite government expansion.

Posted by: Cornfused Yet Again at September 22, 2011 12:18 PM (AyzfE)

This all began in the early 1900's, with two changes to the Consitution.

1. Making the Income Tax Legal, which created a method for the Federal Government to impose any tax they wished.

2. Making the Senate elected by popular vote, vice being Representatives of the States...

These two changes made it to the Feds could Tax in a manner the Founders thought was immoral, AND, took a major impediment to Fed Power away (the efective Veto power the States could play, through their representatives in the Senate, on issues of Federal Power).

This is just the end game...

351 352 Elizabeth Warren's maiden name is

HERRING?!!!

A RED HERRING??!!!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 22, 2011 12:26 PM (UlUS4)

did someone call?

352 @308 What about the public school teacher who taught the corporate jet owner all about business and profits?

Doesn't he or she deserve a piece of the corporate jet owner's hunk of money?

More than likely the owner learned about business and profits in the school of hard knocks or business school.

She gets her "hunk"..it's called a salary and pension funded by the corp jet owner's tax money.

353 It's sinful. Immoral. She can use any artifice of language she wants; what she is saying is pure evil. And she knows it, too.

354 Boy, I sure do agree with the first four points she made! RAWN PAWL!!!1!

355 roads, workers the rest of us paid to educate, safe, so......... that costs $3trillion a year, you dumb bitch? Liberals always hold the basic functions of government hostage to union thug payoffs for over-paid functions.

356

I'm surprised that leftards haven't figured out a way to base fines for traffic violations on a sliding scale, adjusted for income.  You know, to be more fair and everything.

Posted by: runningrn at September 22, 2011 11:48 AM (0fUOB)

They actually do that in Europe.

Posted by: zmdavid at September 22, 2011 11:51 AM (Ha6Wv)

I can actually see the logic to that--fines aren't meant to pay for the roads, they are meant to deter traffic offenses, so they should carry the same amount of proportional pain.

But then, they shouldn't be allowed to change the amount or strictness based on the state budget, either.

357

My boner may have ran away for good.

 

Elizabeth Warren's voice:  instant antidote for priapism

358 366 roads, workers the rest of us paid to educate, safe,
so.........
that costs $3trillion a year, you dumb bitch?
Liberals always hold the basic functions of government hostage to union thug payoffs for over-paid functions.

Posted by: joeindc44 at September 22, 2011 12:27 PM (QxSug)

But, I'm delicious.

359 I wonder what her husband is like.

Posted by: runningrn at September 22, 2011 12:24 PM (0fUOB)

Rachael Maddow

360 It's very telling that if we returned to the "Clinton Golden Age" of spending and taxation it would be deemed as barbaric and catastrophic and inhumane and that society would collapse, we wouldn't have roads or schools and the poor would be dying in the streets. The rate of spending and taxation that liberals for the entirety of Boooosh's presidency hailed as ideal would now be cruel.

361 I probably pay more taxes than all of you in this room, and then I don't get those college grants for my kids that you are getting,  ... and you want more from me ?  Go screw yourself.

362 It's like how the smugs think they make a good anti-TEA party point by pointing to the roads and traffic lights. What does that have to do with giving Goldman Sachs dollars on the dollars for blowing bad investments, forcing banks to lend to bad credit risks, or $ for ACORN?

363

"There is a new term liberals are starting to use and revive--'pay it forward'".

The next appeal will be some 'good Samaritan' bullshit.

364 I wonder if the  Warrens of the world believe they can stir up this stuff and they won't ever suffer for it?

will they have a place to hide when what they are inciting comes to fruition?

did this work out well for russians? cubans? venezuelans?

where can they hide if they take us down?

they might be eaten last but they will be eaten.

365

Let’s look into Mass. When she says “we” as if the person who built the factory doesn’t pay taxes she is creating a false fallacy. “We” as a matter of fact DON’T ALL pay taxes. Now let’s look at those who do pay taxes in Mass: The top 1% of people who pay taxes paid $103,000 in state and local taxes and $593,000 in federal taxes. The bottom 20% of those who pay taxes paid all of $1,186 in state and local, no federal. So the notion of her “we” is a false premise. If “we” are honest we would ask: who sucks up all of the public services? Where are “we” spending all this money? Sounds like “we” are really just protecting the bottom 20% of those who do pay taxes but only state and local in Mass and those who don’t even pay state and local, let alone federal. So the question is: What are these low-paying and non-paying taxpayers doing? Hoovering, that is what “they” are doing. Hell, the majority of murders that occurred in Boston occurred in neighborhoods where the average median income is $27,000 and they’re not paying any federal taxes. So “We” who are paying everything are protecting the people that our money is being redistributed to. But no one wants to talk about that. Let's see if Scott Brown has the balls to talk about it. If not, he's a limp wristed coward and deserves to lose.

366 "I know I'm a moron, but a FUCKING moron?! By the way, the back of the "mercury" dime has the fascis. " ...which was designed before the word fascism was ever uttered. (1921 is the first recorded use of 'fascism' to refer to right wing authoritarianism.) Any more numismatic B.S.?

367 It is odd, ironic and a bit sad to see the much-reviled Ayn Rand proved right. Dead on the money right.

368 Posted by: Jordan at September 22, 2011 12:29 PM (4z6KA) uncle....

369 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's goods.    

370

They built their fortune on the backs of murdered and swindled Native Americans. I'm part Native American, and I want my pound of flesh. How can she deny me? Repairations baby!

 

Don't forget about us!

371 Elizabeth Warren (from her wiki bio) is married to Bruce H. Mann, professor of Law at Harvard.   From scanning his online bio, he's definitely a product of the Ivory Towers, complete with a Ph.D (which stands for Permanent Head Damage).

372 Wait a second, the term Fascism didn't exist in the 30's? FDR was not a fan of big government fascism? Think again, Jordan.

373 Here, Jordan.  Have a $16 muffin and go back to Kos.  Don't you have a Day of Rage or something going on?  I hear there are literally dozens of you on Wall St.

374 368

My boner may have ran away for good.

 

Elizabeth Warren's voice:  instant antidote for priapism

Posted by: runningrn at September 22, 2011 12:28 PM (0fUOB)

yup.  Wife and I were flirting before she left for work this morning.  Unfortunately, when she gets in the door tonight, even 12 bottles of Viagra wouldn't help after EW.  ED for a good month after this.

375 I actually have sympathy for the dumb motherfucker who has to service that skank every week.

376 Posted by: Thousands of Beaten and Abused Enslaved African Americans

We still follow the path of the middle passage.

377 she's proof that there's no longer a thing as education, it's indoctrination. Wow, she sounds soooooo smart, her arguments are so air tight. How can anyone get around the fact that "roads costs money, you idiotsa.as.asrf.as.a." /sarc

378 Throughout history, poverty is the normal condition of man. Advances which permit this norm to be exceeded- here and there, now and then- are the work of an extremely small minority, frequently despised, often condemned, and almost always opposed by all right-thinking people. Whenever this tiny minority is kept from creating, or (as sometimes happens) is driven out of a society, the people then slip back into abject poverty. This is known as "bad luck."

Robert A. Heinlein.

Shrieking harridan Elizabeth Warren, like every Communist fuckwit who ever fouled the planet, is actively courting "bad luck".

379 I must agree, we could go on forever with this little snippet of stupidity.  As in who built those roads?  Probably a private contractor. Who got his equipment from a private equipment dealer.  Who got her steel from a private steel factory.  Who got his metal from a mining company.  Who got his mining equipment from a different factory.  and don't forget the asphalt company. etc.

All of which are being pushed off shore from their stupid taxes and regulations.

380

Darth Vader on the social contract:

"I am altering the deal. Pray I don't alter it any further."

381 Mussolini was the Che of his day.

382 I'll let the great Milton Friedman provide the retort. 

Why soaking the rich won't work. 

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at September 22, 2011 12:17 PM (9hSKh)

This!

And I'll raise you one Robber Baron Myth

383 377

Any more numismatic B.S.?

Posted by: Jordan at September 22, 2011 12:29 PM (4z6KA)

Aw.  I'm just a bitter clinger.  Yer big words are foncusing me.  Guess I'd better get out the dikshunary and luk that one up.

384 The Fasces have been a symbol of government power to the extent of life and death since Roman times.

385

I hope Scott Brown's people check into the ties between Elizabeth Warren and the Kaiser Family Foundation. The same Kaiser that is involved with the Solyndra debacle. ...Both Kaiser and Warren are from Oklahoma.

Hey, I know that Scott Brown is a squish, but he's our squish, and probably the best we can hope for coming from Massachusetts. ....And he's a helluva lot better than having Warren in that seat.

386 I always am dumbstruck by liberals who bitch about our military spending and the "unfunded" wars.  Their ability to speak freely and be complete idiots is only possible because of the sacrifices and blood shed by the amazing members of our armed forces throughout America's history. 

387 Screw her and the Demagogue Democrat Donkey she rode in on--three ways from Sunday.

388 Why do I get the feeling her audience members own a far higher than typical number of cats?

389 380 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's goods.

Posted by: The 10th Commandment at September 22, 2011 12:30 PM (GTbGH)

Already covered in that whole 'Thou Shall Not Steal' thing...

390 Rush is loving this....he's playing it again.

391 An error Conservatives keep making is that BS like she's spewing is extreme. The shit she's saying is what most of my Liberal acquaintances believe. I keep calling Libs "socialist" thinking it a huge insult and waiting for the reply... but it's not an insult. This is where they are. This crap will get her elected.

392 well damn Jordan is a worse moby then Greg. Jumping in and attacking the idea of capitalism and pro-buissness attitudes? Dude the way a moby works is to attack a potential candidate as too extreme and that you'd go Dem over that candidate. Not to attack the very things you claim to be with. Dumbass

393 Reparations We Much!

394 46 And I can't stream it at work- if someone will point me to a transcript, I'll be happy to help. Uh, that's a feature, not a bug. I don't think it's meant for people with jobs.

395 **Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's goods. Posted by: The 10th Commandment at September 22, 2011 12:30 PM (GTbGH) Already covered in that whole 'Thou Shall Not Steal' thing..** An idea so nice, God wrote it twice.

396 400 Why do I get the feeling her audience members own a far higher than typical number of cats?

Posted by: MostlyRight at September 22, 2011 12:34 PM (ZG8Ti)

and fewer than typical numbers of bars of soap.

397 Heh, epic dipshit Jordan, as usual, has nothing, so he's making sure to set the record straight on dimes.

398

Hey, I know that Scott Brown is a squish, but he's our squish, and probably the best we can hope for coming from Massachusetts. ....And he's a helluva lot better than having Warren in that seat.

Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 22, 2011 12:34 PM (L4wAG)

PPP has Warren +2 which is an outlier as most other polls have Brown up in double digits

399 I missed the part where she said without the factory her fellow comrades would not have had a job in which to pay taxes to educated their children.

400 This roads, schools, police, and firemen argumentation was popular back in the 80s. Thieves like Warren rightly fear that we now have the computational power to fund all of these things on privatization and usage fees.

401
They're showing us their hand. We know how they're coming at us in 2012.

It's crazy, but they think it will be successful. And it will be successful to some degree. This base populism works with the ignorant. It does, indeed.

And now our beliefs are confirmed yet again. The Left has a vested interest in perpetuating a permanent ignorant underclass in the United States.

 

402

Heh!  Rush:  "Those trucks that move the goods were made by the private sector."

 

403 Elizabeth Warren (from her wiki bio) is married to Bruce H. Mann, professor of Law at Harvard.   From scanning his online bio, he's definitely a product of the Ivory Towers, complete with a Ph.D (which stands for Permanent Head Damage).

That head damage would explain why he could be married to such a screeching leftist harridan. Either that or she's a beard.

Gawd, every time Rush plays her screech, I get a little gayer.

404

Posted by: Moses at September 22, 2011 12:34 PM (NtXW4)

 

Moses! 

Good to see you posting.   How have you been?

405 Speaking of "Pay it Forward", the first time I've come across this God-awful term is from the 2000 movie of the same name, starring Kevin Spacey, Helen Hunt, and Haley Joel Osment (the Sixth Sense kid, for those of you who don't remember).

The movie was as dull, stupid, and pretentious as you'd expect from such a foul title.

When Kevin Spacey (whore for Hugo Chavez and his ilk) was asked post-production how he'd "Pay it Forward" (i.e. what are his three big favors to the world), he honestly claimed that one of his ways to "pay it forward" was by making the movie. 

406 "sure to set the record straight on dimes." Someone has to fact check the interwebs. Oxford English Dictionary FTW.

407
I've got a factory that makes something that is medium complicated.  It requires a worker to use a computer and do some light math.

Can't get anyone who can do that.  (When I asked one well tattooed candidate for the job what was the last math he took in high school he looked at me like I was speaking Mandarin.)

Last week, the trucks we use to ship our products were broken into and vandalized.

I'm feeling rather let down.  Can I sue Elizabeth Warren for breach of social contract?

408 "educated by us." I think the road makers and car makers had to educate their employees how to make cars and roads.

409 Does anyone have a phone number or email address so I can call and let her know that payroll is coming up soon and we could use some cash from the other owners.

410 Wow!  We are so on fire today!  Over 400 comments in no time flat! 

411

Warren's research and publications are always the same:

Big government programs have raised the cost of living. We need larger government to fix it, and that necessarily means giving up some of our rights.

One could run a 24 hour website fisking Warren. The Right has Pat Buchanan telling us Hitler would have stopped in Poland had we not irked him, and that brown Mexicans will ruin us. On the Left, we have Elizabeth Warren.  She is just that productive and a gift that never stops giving.

412

Mrs Warren is saying that all men are not created equal, that they are not endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights  but instead all men are born under a social contract where rights are dispersed and managed by Mrs. Warren and the people are bound by the desires of  Mrs Warren.  Posted by: glornec at September 22, 2011 12:26 PM

I agree.  That "Bill of Rights" thing is just full up with negative rights.  That's why we need another one, a Second Bill of Rights.  The first right will be the right of the government to take your money whenever we want it and give it to people who will help us stay in power.

413 Over/under on the pairs of Birkinstocks in that room. 

414 I always thought she was harmless...also, I don't recall ever signing a "social contact"

415

Can't get anyone who can do that.  (When I asked one well tattooed candidate for the job what was the last math he took in high school he looked at me like I was speaking Mandarin.)

 

You are very prescient, oh Honorable Grasshopper!

416

Moses! 

Good to see you posting.   How have you been?

Posted by: Ramses II at September 22, 2011 12:37 PM (LiiJT)

Wet.  How's the family?

417 403,

you run out of your friends' lunch at some point....

even Canada grasps that

418 418 Speaking of "Pay it Forward", the first time I've come across this God-awful term is from the 2000 movie of the same name, starring Kevin Spacey, Helen Hunt, and Haley Joel Osment (the Sixth Sense kid, for those of you who don't remember).

The movie was as dull, stupid, and pretentious as you'd expect from such a foul title.

When Kevin Spacey (whore for Hugo Chavez and his ilk) was asked post-production how he'd "Pay it Forward" (i.e. what are his three big favors to the world), he honestly claimed that one of his ways to "pay it forward" was by making the movie. 

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at September 22, 2011 12:37 PM (9hSKh)

See?  Just by gracing you with his screen presence, he's enhancing your life experience.  Just as I enhance your financial experience, you unwashed heathen. 

419

OT:

FL polling by Quinipac (spelling?) making the rounds. Quinipac not the best on accuracy so take it with a grain of salt:

- Gov Scott w/ horrible approvals but great personal favorables in FL

- Rubio VERY POPULAR in FL

- Perry LEADS in FL primary but losing to Obama -2 (RCP avg has Perry up on Obama)

- Romney up by 7 on Obama (which is in line with the RCP avg)

interesting but again it's not a very accurate pollster.

420 Heh.  Rush playing the clip *again*.  He's really loving this.

421 Stupid bitch says "fire forces."

422

The movie was as dull, stupid, and pretentious as you'd expect from such a foul title.

 

Totally stupid movie.  The best part was when the kid got shivved in the end. 

423 427 I always thought she was harmless...also, I don't recall ever signing a "social contact"

Posted by: Tony253 at September 22, 2011 12:39 PM (7my1f)

I have a social contract.  Reads much like "Get The Fuck Off My Lawn"

424 Ms.  Warren doesn't think businesses pay taxes. 

425 A lot of factories have private security guards and even fire fighters.

426 Epicycles of Stupid.

427

Don't forget about us!

Posted by: Thousands of Beaten and Abused Enslaved African Americans at September 22, 2011 12:30 PM (0fUOB)

http://tinyurl.com/3w4dnk4

428

Heh.  Rush playing the clip *again*.  He's really loving this.

 

Yes, and he's substituting the word "Country" in place of "factory owners"--and saying that's how Obama looks at America.

429 Rush:  "The biggest marauding band that business has to worry about is government."

430 Lizzie Warren:  Stuttering Clusterf*ck of a Miserable Communist.

431 And the factories, they were built, not by the social contract.

432 use of 'fascism' to refer to right wing authoritarianism.

1. there is no such thing as right wing authoritarianism.  It can't be if you are talking about conservatives.  you need to study more.

2. any authoritarianism can only come from the left, example in video above.

433 Blue hair alert!

434 437 Ms.  Warren doesn't think businesses pay taxes. 

Posted by: Marie at September 22, 2011 12:41 PM (H50jQ)

That's because none of the idiots that vote for her pay taxes.  She thinks those $16 muffins come from the Tax Fairy.

435 These Commies are really at war with business. 

436
Kratos' comment reminds me of something really annoying I noticed.

The Hollywood/Celebrity's favorite form of charitable donation?

No, not cash.

Hand-me-downs. Yeah, their used shit they "donate" to charity auctions.

Fuck them.

437 just so no ones gets confused that is Perry up On Obama in the RCP avg in the FL Presidential Polling not overall national polling

438 Rush must be reading this post. Plagiarist.

439

Posted by: long toss at September 22, 2011 12:41 PM (2G9cy)

 

Yeah, I saw that last week.  I love blue on blue violence. 

440 I'm imagining Liz in bed with Mr. Warren demanding, in that nails-on-chalkboard voice, for him to fulfill his social contract while reciting all the things she's provided for him, and him bleating that he's just not up to it tonight and he'd rather just "pay it forward."

Later, when she's asleep, he smeaks into the bathroom and pulls out that copy of Shemale Cumshots he keeps behind the terlet.

441 Just listen to the cadence and tone of her voice as she warms up to this.  That is pure anger and hatred.

442 449
Kratos' comment reminds me of something really annoying I noticed.

The Hollywood/Celebrity's favorite form of charitable donation?

No, not cash.

Hand-me-downs. Yeah, their used shit they "donate" to charity auctions.

Fuck them.

Hey now.....lighten up.

443 If Rush is watching this thread, I BEG HIM PLEASE DO NOT PLAY THAT AGAIN!!!! I'm trying to eat lunch here.

444
Barbara Streisand's idea of charity is donating an old friggin dress for auction.

Sherly Crowe's charity is mainly hectoring others to use less toilet paper and to drive the right kind of car.

445 Remember everybody, Scott Brown is a RINO so we have no choice but to elect this communist bitch.

Start sending in your donations now.

446 **use of 'fascism' to refer to right wing authoritarianism.** trolls that say things like that are completely ignorant of history. The German National Socialist Workers Party, for example, demonstrate the actual history of facism which is that it's still socialism. The problem with socialism is that it doesn't work and the proles don't want it. There were many efforts to tweak it to make it so, and F was one such ploy. Sprinkle in some nationalism in there.

447 wow I guess im the only one not listening to Rush right now? heh

448 445 use of 'fascism' to refer to right wing authoritarianism. 1. there is no such thing as right wing authoritarianism. It can't be if you are talking about conservatives. you need to study more. 2. any authoritarianism can only come from the left, example in video above. Posted by: Guy Fawkes at September 22, 2011 12:42 PM (jiVmv) EXACTLY _ EXACTLY _ EXACTLY ! ! ! ! ! !

449 This is what you get when academics learn from academics who learned from academics who learned from academics who learned from academics who learned from academics.

Without real-world application and experience, it just becomes a piss poor photocopy of a crappy original image.

The SCOAMF also suffers from this affliction.  But to be fair he's got real-world experience as a street agitator.

BTW, Warren's maiden name is Herring.

450 "1. there is no such thing as right wing authoritarianism. It can't be if you are talking about conservatives. you need to study more. 2. any authoritarianism can only come from the left, example in video above." Actually words have meaning in the real world. Here's the definition of Fascism: "Fascism (ˈfæʃɪz(ə m, occas. ˈfæsɪz(ə m) [ad. It. fascismo, f. fascio bundle, group: see Fasci and -ism.] The principles and organization of Fascists. Also, loosely, any form of right-wing authoritarianism."

451

I didn't think they finished making the Atlas Shrugged movie?

 

 

452 It is people like this that has made it possible for me to relocate my company from the US to Chile.  I took 80% of my employees with me.  Yes, we moved 124 US citizens and their families to Chile from the USA to work in our company now in Chile.

Hey and we did it on the roads you paid for. haha

453 Lol @ the smilies.

454
I told you that stuff causes mental retardation! QED

455

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at September 22, 2011 12:44 PM (XuAk5)

heh

456 The principles and organization of Fascists. Also, loosely, any form of right-wing authoritarianism." Posted by: Jordan at September 22, 2011 12:46 PM (4z6KA) You edit that dictionary yourself, slim?

457 BTW, Warren's maiden name is Herring.

Which is also the name of her preferred scent of Summer's Eve.

458 423 Wow! We are so on fire today! Over 400 comments in no time flat! We are like the negative numbers on the Dow.

459 Try 'Two If By Tea'!

460

BTW, Warren's maiden name is Herring.

Which is also the name of her preferred scent of Summer's Eve.

 

Ha! Ha!  I am thinking Breitbart thought that was funny too!

461 Hey, Jordan!  Hurry on down! Today's free Hot Pockets Day!!!!!  (Bring some weed, we're nearly out.)

462 We are like the negative numbers on the Dow. Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at September 22, 2011 12:47 PM (ZDUD4) Except we're positive. I think...

463 Real definitions mean things too.  You should learn the real one.  Re-defining for your own purposes does not make it true.

464 Troll is ignorant, although it may be making the point that liberal's ignorance on history has turned socialism, i.e., totalitiarianism, to the tune of nationalism, into a shorthand for right-wing stuff. But what they really mean is that when free people defend themselves from socialists, the act of fighting back is right-wing totalitarianism. That is, it's just another smear against the people fighting against progressive insanity.

465 guys i'm on you guys side but socialism is the way to go! no more right-wing facists! and oh yeah if I dont get my guy i'm voting for Obama and you fuckers are evil not agree with me. I swear i'm on you guys side

466 because right-wing is really anti-totalitarianism, so it's on the opposite end of the spectrum of the intellectual window dressing for totalitarianism, i.e., socialism, fascism, green-governing, theocracy, etc.

467 "You edit that dictionary yourself, slim?" No, J.J., I didn't. The OED is the standard reference work on the English language. How I long for the days of Will, Buckley and Safire...

468 473 BTW, Warren's maiden name is Herring. Which is also the name of her preferred scent of Summer's Eve. Ha! Ha! I am thinking Breitbart thought that was funny too! Posted by: runningrn at September 22, 2011 12:48 PM (0fUOB) HA! But I thought the fish stinks from the head?

469 I don't think the Day of Ragers could in all conscience eat evil products of corporativityistism like Hot Pockets.

470

Waaay o/t but CNN reporting--possible yellowcake found in Libya?

A military site containing what appears to be radioactive material was uncovered Thursday by revolutionary forces near the southern Libyan city of Sabha. The discovery comes a day after anti-Gadhafi forces took over Sabha.

The site contains barrels and plastic bags of powder marked "radioactive." Their contents have not been confirmed as nuclear material.

471 troll is trying to make the oxymoronic point about small government types are a form of totalitarianism, or something...

472

re: the warren video

it's softcore communism, served up with coffee and bagels.

 

Ayn Rand talked about the liberal, socialist philosophy and how it assumed that all men were slaves from birth, because the philosophy deemed all men beholden to each other, not to themselves.

I despise these people in the video and all their kind. They reject freedom and embrace collectivism.

I mean, her little talk was right out of the Kommunist Manifesto.

Fuckemall.

473 337
Any time I hear that businesses can only profit due to the groundwork (infrastructure, education, law) laid by past generations, in that special leftish tone of speech/writing, communist alarm bells go off in my head. Usually because 9/10 times the next thing coming is a call to take more.

The argument alone allows no upper limit and can apply anywhere. Use computers to earn a living? Computer makers deserve more, not just what you paid them. Your education will last you a lifetime, isn't that worth more? Your parents raised you well, shouldn't they get a bigger slice of your pie? The argument can go to silly lengths.

...

I sometimes encounter communists online and ask them to tell me how, say, a machine shop would come to exist under communism. Where do the "means of production" come from? Taken from capitalists in the worker's revolution, of course. Not sure if I was having my chain yanked or if they were serious.

474 right is left
up is down
in is out
we have always been at war with Eurasia

475 No, J.J., I didn't. The OED is the standard reference work on the English language. How I long for the days of Will, Buckley and Safire... Posted by: Jordan at September 22, 2011 12:50 PM

I'm not dead.

476

Moses!

Good to see you posting. How have you been?

Posted by: Ramses II at September 22, 2011 12:37 PM (LiiJT)

I can't complain.... oye... but could you do us a favor, and take Egypt back over?  Your people keep coming over here and attacking us here in the Promised Land... really getting irritating..

I mean... oye... we finished the pyramids for you... what do you want... blood?... oh... wait...

477

Except we're positive. I think...

 

I'm positive we're morons!

 

Heh!  Rush asking "How many pensions does Elizabeth Warren have?  She's a parasite that hates her host.  She's destroying her host while she sucks the life out of it."

478 463 "1. there is no such thing as right wing authoritarianism. It can't be if you are talking about conservatives. you need to study more.

2. any authoritarianism can only come from the left, example in video above."

Actually words have meaning in the real world. Here's the definition of Fascism:

"Fascism
(ˈfæʃɪz(əm, occas. ˈfæsɪz(əm)

[ad. It. fascismo, f. fascio bundle, group: see Fasci and -ism.]

The principles and organization of Fascists. Also, loosely, any form of right-wing authoritarianism."

Posted by: Jordan at September 22, 2011 12:46 PM (4z6KA)

Yes.  Insisting that individuals have the right to their property and labor is authoritarian.  Dumbass.

479

I really need to make this a text file so I can c&p when it's necessary:

Yet again, let me note the following:  When I was in elementary school, I studied hard and was a good child so I would be prepared for high school.  When I was in high school, I studied hard and didn't party so that I would be valedictorian so I could get into a good college.  When I was in college, I was that girl who broke the curve so I could get into a good law school.  When I was in law school, I worked my ass off so I could graduate and then pass the bar.  I did all of that so that I would have a passing chance at a decent life. 

When I am given back every party I didn't attend, every drink I didn't drink, every drug I didn't do, every person I didn't sleep with, every book I didn't buy, every pair of shoes I put back on the shelf, every hour of sleep I gave up, then and only then, can we talk about what it is I supposedly owe due to the "public good". 

480 I'm not dead.

Posted by: George Will at September 22, 2011 12:51 PM (263hv)

Hmmm.... technicly? no...

From the neck up? Jury is out...

481

Real definitions mean things too.  You should learn the real one.  Re-defining for your own purposes does not make it true.

 

 Progressives believe that words are malleable...like the Constitution.

482

Here's another thing, and tell me if I'm wrong. There seem to be rich liberals, and poor liberals. The rich ones are insulated from the repercussions of their ideas by their wealth; the poor ones just want the handouts promised them by the rich ones.

Liberalism is A discussing with B what C should do for D

483 It's obvious that this woman was never injected with Liquid Whore^tm.

484 She makes several good points.

485 495

Real definitions mean things too.  You should learn the real one.  Re-defining for your own purposes does not make it true.

 

 Progressives believe that words are malleable...like the Constitution their brains.

Posted by: garrett at September 22, 2011 12:53 PM (LiiJT)

486 Socialism and communism aren't authoritarian, man, because in socialism and communism, everyone is equal and there is no authority.

487
E Warren has to win the D primary. She's leading but she will continue to run far-left until primary day.

In other words, it's only just begun here in MA. Warren and her D opponents will try to out-moonbat each other and provide us with lots of hijinks.

488

When I am given back every party I didn't attend, every drink I didn't drink, every drug I didn't do, every person I didn't sleep with, every book I didn't buy, every pair of shoes I put back on the shelf, every hour of sleep I gave up, then and only then, can we talk about what it is I supposedly owe due to the "public good". 

Posted by: alexthechick at September 22, 2011 12:52 PM (VtjlW)

You didn't mention stompy boots!

489

I have a small business. I use the roads quite a bit less than your average soccer mom. I involve the cops in my life much, much less than your average inner-city resident. I served in that military, unlike the majority of my neighbors.

Why, then, do I pay more taxes then them? I profit quite a bit less than pretty much anyone around me from how those taxes are spent. Public resources support my lifestyle to a much smaller degree than pretty much anyone I know. How is that fair?

490 Posted by: Jordan at September 22, 2011 12:50 PM (4z6KA) With all due respect to the OED, their definition is incorrect. Authoritarianism, statism, communism, socialism at any level is antithetical to the right and to conservatism. This is why I do not recognize the right-left paradigm. What does it mean then to be a far-right conservative? I can't be any more in favor of freedom, liberty and personal responsibility than I am now. That is what the "right" if you will is all about. The "left," not so much.

491 I'm not dead.

Posted by: George Will at September 22, 2011 12:51 PM (263hv)

I'm not wearing jeans.

...or pants, even! 

492 Posted by: Jordan at September 22, 2011 12:46 PM (4z6KA)

That's fascinating.  Next you'll be trying to convince us that the bedrock of conservative principles are eugenics, totalitarianism and the rejection of laissez-faire policies.

493

re: the warren video

it's softcore communism, served up with coffee and bagels.

Nah. With $16 muffins.

494 I guess im the only one not listening to Rush right now?

His show is rather popular.

495

 Progressives believe that words are malleable...like the Constitution.

 

Yup, from Bill Clinton "It depends on what the meaning of 'is' is to our present SCOAMF with his time limited/expiration dated promises.

Words are elastic!

496 "You don't need to worry about marauding bands coming to your factory and stealing everything." Yet. There will be two types of manufacturers in the Burning Times: 1. Approved and Protected vendors to my Death's Head Shock Legions and Pleasure Battalions, and 2. Remember Luke Skywalker's aunt and uncle? That burned-meat skeleton look? That's the other kind.

497

Posted by: alexthechick at September 22, 2011 12:52 PM (VtjlW)

For us men? its called a 'mid life crises'...

498 She must be going on the "we lost last time because we didn't run far enough to the Left" theory.

499 502

When I am given back every party I didn't attend, every drink I didn't drink, every drug I didn't do, every person I didn't sleep with, every book I didn't buy, every pair of shoes I put back on the shelf, every hour of sleep I gave up, then and only then, can we talk about what it is I supposedly owe due to the "public good". 

Posted by: alexthechick at September 22, 2011 12:52 PM (VtjlW)

You didn't mention stompy boots!

Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 22, 2011 12:54 PM (UOM4

alex doesn't put stompy boots back on the shelf.

500

457.... A lot of those Hollowood limosine liberals have their own charities. ...Its how they launder their money and pay no taxes.

I read in Forbes a few years ago, that even the Baldwin brothers have their own charity.....some bullshit Breast Cancer 'charity', that eats up around 95% of the donations in 'administration costs'.

501 How did this thread get up to 500+ comments?? Troll?

502 A new addition to this year's issue:

Jordan:  An internet commenter commonly known as a dumb-ass.

503 Remember Dum-Dum trying to convince us that we're fools not to be "progressives", based entirely on the dictionary definition?

Good times. And good company you keep, Jordan.

504 **I guess im the only one not listening to Rush right now?** It's interesting the timing of the comments, I must have a 2 minute delay because I see a poitn made by Rush posted here and then hear it a little bit later.

505 What trillion dollar hole? The Bush tax cuts more than paid for themselves. They brought about an economic miracle that was set to erase the deficit in 2 or 3 years when the Dems took over congress in '07 and screwed everything up. then they got to blame the disaster they made on Bush. I love how she explains how everything bad us still Bush's fault Unlike Obama with Lybia, Bush went to congress to authorize the wars, which has kept the terrorists on the defense for 10 years, so this little twit is free to prance around the country. Democrats in congress voted overwhelmingly for both wars. And they don't mind them so much now that they're Obama's problem. Obama colluded with the drug companies to pass Obamacare. Bush colluded with the Democrats to pass the prescription drug legislation.

506 This is why I do not recognize the right-left paradigm. What does it mean then to be a far-right conservative? I can't be any more in favor of freedom, liberty and personal responsibility than I am now. That is what the "right" if you will is all about.

The "left," not so much. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 22, 2011 12:55 PM

Extremist.

507

Posted by: Captain Obvious at September 22, 2011 12:55 PM (4Kl5M)

i'm aware

508

You didn't mention stompy boots!

*shifty eyes*  Yes.  Because I put those back too.  *shifty eyes*

Now that I think about it, maybe my respone to Ms. Warren should be the tl;dr version instead - 13th Amendment c---.  Live it learn it love it. 

509

How did this thread get up to 500+ comments?? Troll?

 

No, it hit a hot button in all of us!

510 508 I guess im the only one not listening to Rush right now?

His show is rather popular.

Posted by: Captain Obvious at September 22, 2011 12:55 PM (4Kl5M)

I like Rush but am hooked on Andrew Wilkow, Sirius XM 125. 

Sound bites from the show at the link above for anyone interested.

511 516 How did this thread get up to 500+ comments?? Troll?

Posted by: lu at September 22, 2011 12:56 PM (pLTLS)

there is one, but he's a low-grade troll.  garden variety with no game.

512 BTW, Warren's maiden name is Herring.

So she's a Red Herring.

513 It's obvious that this woman was never injected with Liquid Whore^tm.

She sounds retarded. I wonder if the Gardasil got her!

514 Well, it boils down to this.  Every politician deep down believes that Government knows best.  That's where we as a society are fuck*d.

Until we get Pols in place that give a true shit about this country and the people inside it instead of their own power and bank account, we're screwed.

515

there is one, but he's a low-grade troll.  garden variety with no game.

Yeah, the trolling has gotten rather development league lately.

516

Posted by: 29Victor at September 22, 2011 12:55 PM (ES9R7)

Yeah, I find it strange that now that my kids have grown up, and are both paying Taxes, and NO LONGER using those public school resources... that my Taxes go UP?

Heck, I should get a tax break for raising Kids who are not sucking at the public Teat...

517 The troll today is weaksauce.  I wish we could get a better quality troll.  I blame the Chinese.

518 When I am given back every party I didn't attend, every drink I didn't drink, every drug I didn't do, every person I didn't sleep with, every book I didn't buy, every pair of shoes I put back on the shelf, every hour of sleep I gave up, then and only then, can we talk about what it is I supposedly owe due to the "public good".

I was kinda bummed that night.

519
Time to change your name back to Justin, Jordan.

520 2. Remember Luke Skywalker's aunt and uncle? That burned-meat skeleton look?

These folks?

521 How I long for the days of Will, Buckley and Safire.

No one idolizes me for my intellect, but I am pretty sure that an organization that calls itself the National Socialist Worker's Party is left of center.

Can you help me out with that one?

522

Heck, I should get a tax break for raising Kids who are not sucking at the public Teat...

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 22, 2011 12:58 PM (NtXW4)

Don't get me started.  I pay ridiculous property taxes and private school tuition.  I fucking hate writing that tax check.  Where's my refund BITCH!

523

Yeah, the trolling has gotten rather development league lately.

Posted by: alexthechick at September 22, 2011 12:58 PM

Eh, what can you expect so early in the season?

524 A passionate defense of liberalism that excites the blogosphere?  I sure hope this doesn't mean we'll be seeing tweets of her "junk" five months from now.

525

Why, then, do I pay more taxes then them? I profit quite a bit less than pretty much anyone around me from how those taxes are spent. Public resources support my lifestyle to a much smaller degree than pretty much anyone I know. How is that fair?

Posted by: 29Victor at September 22, 2011 12:55 PM (ES9R7)

Racist.

526

mmmmmm, the thinking behind this..........did she ever take a class or two on history....the refuse pile of history is filled with fine examples and yet she is another of the fine examples residing here in America still trying so desparately to resurect a dead philosophy that has been tested so many times and failed.

 

DOW down over 300. 

527 he did use a big word:  numisniferous or something.  then went on about dimes and feces. 

528

I wish we could get a better quality troll.

i'm here! I gotta tell you about a friend of mine in my awesome swing state of New York...

529

It's okay Lizzie, you Nasty People's Radio listener, the people before me paid it forward for me to reap the rewards of it now.  See how your failed logic works.

This really isn't hard, bitch.  My family, grandparents, etc. paid it forward in a shitload of taxes and I am the beneficiary of it now.  That and tons and tons of sacrifices by my husband and I now.  Bugger off skank.

530 DOW down over 300. Posted by: morigu at September 22, 2011 01:01 PM (QXzRP) Wow a rally. It was down 400 last I saw

531 oh my and drudge also has a link to clinton putting salt on the wounds, good times. Poor Obama isn't going to be lucky and have an internet revolution save his bacon (or a Newt to give him real legislative accomplishments).

532 I sign the front of the paycheck, not the fucking back. And I'll be damned if I'll take any advice from anyone who has never done so.
And that is why I'd have no tears if, by some chance, Divine Justice saw fit to drop a meteor upon Washington, DC.

Fuck her and everyone like her.
Do the rich get to drive on better roads?
Do the rich get better cops?
Do the rich get a better military?
Do the rich get better courts?
Do the rich get better public schools?
Do the rich get better water, sewers?

NO! The poor piece of shit sucking on the welfare tit gets the same roads, same cops, same military, same courts, same schools, same water, same sewer, same every fucking public good--and he doesn't pay a fucking dime for it!!!!!

533

i'm aware

Posted by: AuthorLMendez (Gibson Guy At Noon) at September 22, 2011 12:57 PM (3XDPM)

Pray I never am

534 I'm watching Fox, and 59% of FL voters disapprove of Barky McClusterf*ck. 

535 The scary thing is that there are people out there willing to vote for and contribute real Canadian Dollars to this scrunt.

536 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

O/T, and I'm not sure if it's already been posted, but in an editorial published by Fox today, Perry finally comes out swinging at Romney on Social Security.  Prep for the debate, perhaps?

537
/lurkin behind your bushes

538

Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 22, 2011 01:03 PM (UOM4

yep and Perry is tied w/ him, Romney is beating him, and Rubio is popular. FL starting to get its shit together

539 463 "1. there is no such thing as right wing authoritarianism. It can't be if you are talking about conservatives. you need to study more. 2. any authoritarianism can only come from the left, example in video above." Actually words have meaning in the real world. Here's the definition of Fascism: "Fascism (ˈfæʃɪz(əm, occas. ˈfæsɪz(əm) [ad. It. fascismo, f. fascio bundle, group: see Fasci and -ism.] The principles and organization of Fascists. Also, loosely, any form of right-wing authoritarianism." Posted by: Jordan at September 22, 2011 12:46 PM (4z6KA) Where'd this definition come from? Not Merriam Webster. Do you cherry pick sites to find definitions that suit your needs??

540 "With all due respect to the OED, their definition is incorrect. Authoritarianism, statism, communism, socialism at any level is antithetical to the right and to conservatism. This is why I do not recognize the right-left paradigm. What does it mean then to be a far-right conservative? I can't be any more in favor of freedom, liberty and personal responsibility than I am now. That is what the "right" if you will is all about. The "left," not so much." See that's not bad. Maybe you're not a fucking moron... Truth be told, there are fascist principles to be found in just about every person's political outlook. State-sponsored execution, for example, is a fascist foundation and it's embraced widely by both parties. (And by most Americans.) Ditto huge standing armies, extensive prison systems and government collusion with business. I tend to think both parties have strong fascist elements - comparatively unleavened in the case of Republicans but seeded liberally with Communism and socialism in the case of the Dems.

541 Liberalism is A discussing with B what C should do for D

And then scraping a little cream off the top.

542 546 DOW down over 300.

Posted by: morigu at September 22, 2011 01:01 PM (QXzRP)

Wow a rally. It was down 400 last I saw

Posted by: nevergiveup at September 22, 2011 01:02 PM (i6RpT)

taking bets on when the headline reads: We're So Fucked

543 Megyn Kelly is going to be one of the panelists on the debate tonight. 

544 Where'd this definition come from? Not Merriam Webster. Do you cherry pick sites to find definitions that suit your needs??

Posted by: Joejm65 at September 22, 2011 01:05 PM (Yqpb/)

I wrote that dam book as a warning! Not a How To manual!

545 Every one of these raging lunatic progressives needs to hold up a copy of their tax returns before they even open their mouths because I can guarantee you, most are worth 6 or 7 (or more) figures and have used every fucking tax loophole there is so they can keep more of their own money. I hate them all.

546 Blood.  Boiling.

547
As your senator, you won't need to worry about mariachi bands coming to your houses and making terrible music.

Warren for Senate 2012
Say No To Mariachi Bands

.

548 @556, give it up, you have no idea what you are talking about. You are conflating fascism with authoritarianism. at best. You think use of state sanctioned force is related to nationalism combined with socialism.

549 556 "With all due respect to the OED, their definition is incorrect. Authoritarianism, statism, communism, socialism at any level is antithetical to the right and to conservatism.

This is why I do not recognize the right-left paradigm. What does it mean then to be a far-right conservative? I can't be any more in favor of freedom, liberty and personal responsibility than I am now. That is what the "right" if you will is all about.

The "left," not so much."

See that's not bad. Maybe you're not a fucking moron... Truth be told, there are fascist principles to be found in just about every person's political outlook. State-sponsored execution, for example, is a fascist foundation and it's embraced widely by both parties. (And by most Americans.) Ditto huge standing armies, extensive prison systems and government collusion with business. I tend to think both parties have strong fascist elements - comparatively unleavened in the case of Republicans but seeded liberally with Communism and socialism in the case of the Dems.

Posted by: Jordan at September 22, 2011 01:06 PM (4z6KA)

the troll has reached the "bargaining" stage.  Sad when they die so quickly.  Next:  Depression, followed by Acceptance.

550 I would like to thank the moron academy for putting my name in lights.  then again, I as a working laborer commenter also do appreciate the owner of this comment factory for the risk and hard work of building the factory without worrying about a f'ing social contract.

551 Rush: "Without business, there is no revenue to build a road".

552

I wrote that dam book as a warning! Not a How To manual!

Posted by: George Orwell at September 22, 2011 01:07 PM (NtXW4)

Then maybe, instead of letting the bad guys win (it was fiction, after all) Snowball should have come back with his horde of mercenaries he was able to hire after embarking on several years of rampant capitalism, and kicked the crap out of the other pigs on the farm.

553 AllenG, I think tonight will be a real throw down between Romney and Perry. Perry needs to start hitting Romney back or else the polls aren't going to look pretty for him next week.

554 stupid rush, without a business there is no revenue. Duh, what is China for? That's OBlamer's big idea, borrow a third of our budget for the rest of forever.

555 560 Where'd this definition come from? Not Merriam Webster. Do you cherry pick sites to find definitions that suit your needs??

Posted by: Joejm65 at September 22, 2011 01:05 PM (Yqpb/)

I wrote that dam book as a warning! Not a How To manual!

Posted by: George Orwell at September 22, 2011 01:07 PM (NtXW4)

THREAD WINNER

556 559 Megyn Kelly is going to be one of the panelists on the debate tonight.  Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 22, 2011 01:06 PM (UOM4 When I scanned this post, I thought it read 'Megyn Kelley going pants less on the debate tonight'. Time to turn off the computer. Bye for now...

557 Look, George Bush was mighty unpopular. His unpopularity is, in fact the reason SCOAMF was elected. Or to put it another way, JEF got into power on the back of George Bush. "Hey look, Barry, you won, and congratulations. God Bless. So we'll let you keep a chunk of your power. But the rest of it comes back to us."

558 Silly Rush, hasn't he heard of the Magic Money Tree?

559 Do the rich get to drive on better roads?
Do the rich get better cops?
Do the rich get a better military?
Do the rich get better courts?
Do the rich get better public schools?
Do the rich get better water, sewers?

NO! The poor piece of shit sucking on the welfare tit gets the same roads, same cops, same military, same courts, same schools, same water, same sewer, same every fucking public good--and he doesn't pay a fucking dime for it!!!!!

Posted by: Jimmuy at September 22, 2011 01:02 PM (ibeMV)

Holy fuck that made my day!

560 Warren is also wrong about roads, roads formed as paths taken by people as they went about their business. Roads came later as those people got rich enough to pay for paving them.

561 "Where'd this definition come from? Not Merriam Webster. Do you cherry pick sites to find definitions that suit your needs??" I use the OED, the only dictionary that matters. At 23 volumes, ~27,000 pages it's the authority on the English language. It's better than other dictionaries because it contains the usage history of all words. For example, Merriam Webster ain't gonna tell you that the first recorded usage of 'boob' to refer to the female anatomy was by Henry Miller in 1949: "I felt her sloshy boobs joggling me but I was too intent on pursuing the ramifications of Coleridge's amazing mind to let her vegetable appendages disturb me." Nifty, huh? (FYI the CD-ROM version is much easier to use. )

562

government collusion with business.

To the extent that republicans support governemnt collusion with business, thye are not right wing either.

And I'm fairly certain there were state executions as long as there wre states.

563

552 @AllenG

And Perry referred to Romney as "Obama-lite" on Hannity last night. Heh.

Romney probably had a melt-down over that. He will be tossing stink bombs tonight.

564 So, anyone figure out yet exactly what common ground we have with a scrunt like this?

Or any of the feckless cockholsters standing there clapping?

565 577 "Where'd this definition come from? Not Merriam Webster. Do you cherry pick sites to find definitions that suit your needs??"

I use the OED, the only dictionary that matters. At 23 volumes, ~27,000 pages it's the authority on the English language. It's better than other dictionaries because it contains the usage history of all words.

For example, Merriam Webster ain't gonna tell you that the first recorded usage of 'boob' to refer to the female anatomy was by Henry Miller in 1949: "I felt her sloshy boobs joggling me but I was too intent on pursuing the ramifications of Coleridge's amazing mind to let her vegetable appendages disturb me."

Nifty, huh?

(FYI the CD-ROM version is much easier to use. )

Posted by: Jordan at September 22, 2011 01:10 PM (4z6KA)

you... probably... should just kill yourself now.  so many reasons.

566 580. None. No common ground. We just have to hope to outlive them, and take comfort in the fact that they rarely breed and that the children they do manage to have are so completely useless.

567 extensive prison systems

Yes, get rid of those now!

568 Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 22, 2011 01:11 PM (L4wAG)

I'm going to be busy (and "debates" -which they aren't- bore me anyway), but I'd love a play-by-play of those interactions.  Maybe with sock Troy Aikman and sock Joe Buck.

569

When I am given back every party I didn't attend, every drink I didn't drink, every drug I didn't do, every person I didn't sleep with, every book I didn't buy, every pair of shoes I put back on the shelf, every hour of sleep I gave up, then and only then, can we talk about what it is I supposedly owe due to the "public good". 

Posted by: alexthechick at September 22, 2011 12:52 PM (VtjlW)

Awesome.

570

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 22, 2011 01:09 PM (8y9MW)

/looks confused....

Oh.... no... my OTHER book...

571 558  taking bets on when the headline reads: We're So Fucked     DOOM DOOM WENT THE DRUMS IN THE COUNTRY....

572

Megyn Kelly is going to be one of the panelists on the debate tonight. 

Oh.  Oh my stars and garters.  If Megyn Kelly is on with the library glasses while sitting on a panel with Brit Hume, well, I'll just be in my bunk.  (Do not tell me if Brit is or isn't on the panel, I like my fantasy just how it is.)

573 Oh.... no... my OTHER book...

Oh.  You shouldn't have let the bad guys win that one, either.

Did you know your books are really depressing?

574 It's no wonder Breitbart desires you. The covetous bitch. I'll cut him if he tries to take my Morons.
I'll do it.

Lucky you, we're happy on the Moron Plantation. (just keep that bacon and Valu-rite comin' our way)

575 588

Megyn Kelly is going to be one of the panelists on the debate tonight. 

Oh.  Oh my stars and garters.  If Megyn Kelly is on with the library glasses while sitting on a panel with Brit Hume, well, I'll just be in my bunk.  (Do not tell me if Brit is or isn't on the panel, I like my fantasy just how it is.)

Posted by: alexthechick at September 22, 2011 01:14 PM (VtjlW)

you in your bunk = me in my bunk.

i love chain reactions!

576 Second sock fail of the day and Rush hasn't even completed his second hour!

577 @ 577 Jordan, you are a gallon of douche in a 3 oz. bottle.

578

After we put it in the Left Wing Strawman Translator Machine:

"We hate ALL taxes and ALL government services!"

Posted by: Soothsayer at September 22, 2011 12:00 PM (sqkOB)

LOL, I think the LW STM should be a regular addition to O losers speeches

579

584 AllenG

Yeah, I hate these dumbass 'debates'......because you're right, they are not debates, just duels with soundbites.

I watch them because they are there, and most everything else on TV sucks. ...And because I'd rather see it for myself than take people's word for what happened.

If you're interested in seeing the trainwreck for yourself.....I think that Fox usually re-runs them later.

580 If there were some movement afoot for upper income people to stop paying taxes altogether, she might have a point.

581 595

584 AllenG

Yeah, I hate these dumbass 'debates'......because you're right, they are not debates, just duels with soundbites.

I watch them because they are there, and most everything else on TV sucks. ...And because I'd rather see it for myself than take people's word for what happened.

If you're interested in seeing the trainwreck for yourself.....I think that Fox usually re-runs them later.

Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 22, 2011 01:19 PM (L4wAG)

I was going to pound myself over the head with a frying pan.  I have a spare rubber mallet you can borrow.

582

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 22, 2011 01:14 PM (8y9MW)

heck, you think what I wrote was depressing, check out what I was like in REAL life...

How many Literary critics get to piss off HG Wells?

583 I watch them because they are there, and most everything else on TV sucks. ...And because I'd rather see it for myself than take people's word for what happened.

I really think that a couple of the cobloggers ought to sock Troy and Joe for the next one.  That would be hilarious.

584 Where'd this definition come from? Not Merriam Webster. Do you cherry pick sites to find definitions that suit your needs?? Posted by: Joejm65 at September 22, 2011 01:05 PM (Yqpb/) I believe Jordan when he says it's from the OED. Then again, who are the editors of dictionaries, textbooks? Who run the schools and the media? Fascism is PURELY from the left. It is statism.

585

Ha! Ha!  Obama channeling his inner Reagan:

"Speaker Boehner, Tear Down This Bridge."

(Rush)

586

Yeah, I hate these dumbass 'debates'......because you're right, they are not debates, just duels with soundbites.

at September 22, 2011 01:19 PM (L4wAG)

Hmmm... and strangely enough, while this one is on, I'll be at Fencing practice... Dueling with sharp pointy objects...

587 Jordan, you are a gallon of douche in a 3 oz. bottle.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 22, 2011 01:17 PM (z/Mo

Hey, at least that means he can get through airport security.

588

So, in this case, I have been kept from walking down public streets to get to work due to the protests Downtown NYC.  In the 7 days they have been protesting, I have paid close to 1K in Federal, Local, and Municipal taxes, all the while the 20 people still protesting have effectively managed to use untold thousands of dollars the city will now have to pay for extra police, and public workers who have barricaded the financial district.

Are they responsible to pay more because they are making further use of the public parks and safety services than I am?

I'd expect every dirty hippy to write a check for at minimum $200 a day they've been shitting in the park.

-------------------------

"But I want to be clear. Your drum circles take place on roads the rest of us paid for.  The protestors you have are people the unions indoctrinated. Your saftety is guaranteed by the 1000 extra cops and DPW crews required to police the 5 block area you intend to occupy, that the people you protest actually pay for.  You don't have to worry about marauding bands of stock brokers coming and walking through your protest, seizing your protest signs and guitars...

Now look.  You decided to protest and get the world to listen - God Bless!  Feel good about yourself.  But part of the underlying social contract is to eventually take some pride, join the productive work force, and start paying some taxes like the rest of us so you can pay it forward to the next hippy-tantrum-group that comes along."

-FTFY

589

At some point, over 600 comments is enough for one topic...

O/T but this has got to be a metaphor for something:

 

A long-lost, highly valuable Moon rock brought back from the Apollo 17 mission has turned up in the files of Bill Clinton.

The rock was one of 50 presented to each state, and was given to Arkansas while the ex-president was governor. The rock, worth millions of dollars, had been missing since at least 1980 until an archivist found it in old gubernatorial papers. Bobby Roberts, director of the Central Arkansas Library System, told Reuters the archivist opened a box previously archived as "Arkansas flag plaque." The rock and a state flag were originally affixed to the plaque, but the rock had fallen off and the plaque had been misplaced.

"The moon rock, which is in a plastic container, had fallen off the plaque," Roberts said, explaining that the rock was at the bottom of the box. "The archivist immediately knew what he had discovered."

590 I think that what Elizabeth Warren is saying is logical and correct.  Along with her, I have reached the conclusion that business owners should pay taxes and recognize that their businesses derive some benefit from services provided by the government.

What she did not address in this video is the appropriate amount of taxes business owners should pay.  I bet she and I disagree vehemently on that point.

591 Most of you are too young but back in the day it was fun watching our teachers giving Orwell as assigned reading while trying to explain him away at the same time.

592 Where have you gone Samuel Adams?
http://tinyurl.com/44tw83b

Paul Revere?
http://tinyurl.com/3hwtje9

They wouldn't recognize Massachusetts or America today. The Founders and Patriots of Freedom and Liberty weep.

593

597 Tango9

Thanks, man. My walls already have enough head-shaped dents.....I really should switch to a mallet.

594 Jordan, you are a gallon of douche in a 3 oz. bottle.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 22, 2011 01:17 PM (z/Mo

Hey, at least that means he can get through airport security.

Heh!  Dumb troll is TSA approved.  Perfect!

 

 

595 “YOU didn’t have to worry about marauding bands would come and seize everything at your factory…” She's obviously not a 7 -11 owner or been to a state fair recently. I'll give anyone a dollar to go to one of her events and ask her what she intends to do to stop the flash mob problem. 556 "State-sponsored execution, for example, is a fascist foundation and it's embraced widely by both parties." State-sponsored execution is a way to stop a vicious cycle of revenge killing between families. See the Corner: http://tinyurl.com/3wpamzd

596 @612, the troll has no idea what fascist means, why bother.

597

602.....Dueling with sharp pointy objects...

Now that would make for a much better debate format. ....Bloody perhaps, but far more entertaining.

598 Jordon's definition of fascism is only held by other socialists and communist, which does include most or Europe.

But my question is why do ya'll keep giving him what he wants? Every time you answer a troll he gets a boner and goes off to fap.

Ignore the ignorant shit and he will go away.

599 "But my question is why do ya'll keep giving him what he wants? Every time you answer a troll he gets a boner and goes off to fap. " Actually, I fap right here.

600 613 @612, the troll has no idea what fascist means, why bother.

They like to throw the word fascist around quite a bit but have no idea what it means or looks like.

Fascism:  http://tinyurl.com/3my4zxb

What happens to fascists when the people wise up:  http://tinyurl.com/3n35o3u

601 I've learned my fucking lesson: I've sent off an invitation to the President to become an investor in my business, no cash required, and I'm reporting this whole thread to AttackWatch. I see how the game works-- if she thinks I owe my success to "society" then I want some protection.

602 Who will help me bake this bread?

603 At some point there has GOT to be an honest debate about this subject. The fact of the matter is, this "its not class warfare, the rich OWE us those taxes" argument is completely dishonest. Absolutely businesses UTILIZE the infrastructure and agencies of government that facilitate and secure their businesses. But so does every single other citizen. AND the fact is those most productive members of society are already paying the lion's share of those taxes AND it just so happens they are paying a higher share than in any other country that matters. Furthermore, isn't it time was starting accounting for these things line by line ? How much public spending actually supports businesses in the way Liz Warren describes ? Defense ? No Social Security ? No Medicaid / Medicare ? No. That's almost the entirety of the $4 trillion federal budget right there. And businesses - by far - represent the most valuable property in any state, upon which the funds for education are appropriated already. The question really comes down to "what is the size and scope of the government(s) we want" ? How much does that cost, and just how progressive do we want that system of taxation to be ? If you strip away the bullshit class warfare, "the rich OWE us those taxes" nonsense, I cannot for the life of me see how her nonsense wins out. Which is to say nothing of the fact that she basically just announced that one of the platforms of her campaign is to repeal Medicare Part D. I do also enjoy how she is getting whoop whoop applause for allegedly accounting for barely 1/4 of the current US debt. Regardless of the fact that cannot go back in time and erase deficit expenditures, how does she think accounting for those 3 things helps us in the future ? As a Massachusetts resident I am quite happy to see Liz Warren is likely to be sticking her foot squarely in her mouth on a routine basis and ending up with just about as much of a reputation as a "bad candidate" as Martha Coakley. Good luck beating everyman Scott Brown with that approach

604

Just suppose that Professor Warren thinks:..."I hear all this, you know, ‘Well, this is class warfare, this is whatever'. No. There is nobody in this country who got rich on his own — nobody"... makes sense. Ask yourself: "How does it make sense?" Couldn't you say the same about anything Robinson Crusoe accomplished  on his island before Friday entered the story? It was "society", after all, that gave him the knowledge of  construction, animal domestication, and so on.

This means that the phrase "__X__ did __Y__ on his own" (fill in the blanks at will) never means anything. Yet by popular use, it does. "On his own" means "more than others with the same cultural inheritance", and that substitution makes Professor Warren's assertion false. 

Professor Warren expresses an economic version of the original stoned revelation "everything is related to everything else", which makes sense if you look at it by the light of the full moon, squint, and hold it just so. It's not helpful, except as an indication of how this administration thinks and where they intend to go (more Solyndra, more LightSquared, more regulation and more waivers for friends).  

605 Ummm ... original roads in this country were trade paths built by merchants.
Government in this country founded by, and with permission of, merchant class. Business made government and democracy possible because the Founding Fathers were ridding themselves of tyranny, wanted the right to thrive, but knew man had to be free individually also so as to maximize his potential.
I read Atlas Shrugged for the first time earlier this year and cannot believe how prescient Ayn Rand was.

606 Elizabeth Warren is a clustering stutterfuck of a failure that is miserable.

607 Jordan, you are a gallon of douche in a 3 oz. bottle.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 22, 2011 01:17 PM (z/Mo

Hey, at least that means he can get through airport security.

Heh!  Dumb troll is TSA approved.  Perfect!

 Posted by: runningrn

And yet, he keeps getting back in line

608 "I read Atlas Shrugged for the first time earlier this year and cannot believe how prescient Ayn Rand was." I'm particularly-fond of her characterization of Christians. OT: First edition / first printing of Atlas Shrugged for sale. Intact dust jacket with minor chipping, tight binding utterly pristine text. Includes a custom-made clamshell box. $750. I can provide pics if anyone is interested. I have several other 1st/1st without the jacket as well.

609 @624, exactly, it's a perverse chicken and egg joke for these people. What did she think happened, the government formed, paved the roads, set up the schools, and hire police and then the British colonists showed up and eventually created GM? People like her who are commies are simply arguing over who should be in charge, they aren't fighting over being a worker in the worker's paradise, waiting 3 weeks for a bar of soap.

610 When Kevin Spacey (whore for Hugo Chavez and his ilk) was asked post-production how he'd "Pay it Forward" (i.e. what are his three big favors to the world), he honestly claimed that one of his ways to "pay it forward" was by making the movie. 
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at September 22, 2011 12:37 PM (9hSKh)

Payment Refused - Return to Sender

611 Why neither the Liberals nor Conservatives can be convinced they are wrong - and why nobody ever wins a political argument.

Each side is 100% convinced that they are correct.

Perspective creates reality. For example the perspective of a person standing in a busy street is radically different from that of a person standing on the sidewalk of that same street.

To the person standing in the street it is critical that the traffic be somehow stopped - it will kill him if it isn't. That is not an illusion or a mistake - he has correctly interpreted his situation; he is in mortal peril. It is critical that he succeed in his goal of stopping the murderous traffic; indeed it becomes an all consuming task. To him and people like him traffic must be stopped.

The person standing on the sidewalk sees things very differently. To him it is obvious that the traffic has to move; it carries people to work and goods to market. If that traffic is stopped people will lose their jobs, food can't be distributed - everyone will die of starvation if the traffic stops.

We have an excellent analogy of politics: the man in the street is a Liberal, the man on the sidewalk is a conservative; they simply view things differently. Neither is imagining anything.

To the Liberal in the street it is obvious that Conservatives are trying to kill him - they must be stopped so that the traffic can be stopped - these people are his mortal enemy. Any tactic is fair to stop these people in their murderous agenda - lying, cheating, stealing, all these are acceptable to stop evil conservatives. If - out of self defense - conservatives have to be killed that is regrettable - but it is their own fault.

Of course the conservative sees things differently; to him it is obvious that Liberals are idiots to take and hold the positions which they do.

Our analogy holds up in real world politics; Liberals see Conservatives as their mortal enemy - Conservatives see Liberals as idiots. Both sides are 100% correct in what they see.

612 I bet troll at 627 was waiting months to lay that little turd.

613 "I bet troll at 627 was waiting months to lay that little turd." Years. I'm an Ayn Rand fanatic and have been collecting her since I was a teenager. All the attention her work is getting because of the TP has really driven up prices. http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/1264/as1f.jpg

614 Linkage fail. http://tinyurl.com/3b6qzvs

615 628 @624, exactly, it's a perverse chicken and egg joke for these people. What did she think happened, the government formed, paved the roads, set up the schools, and hire police and then the British colonists showed up and eventually created GM?
People like her who are commies are simply arguing over who should be in charge, they aren't fighting over being a worker in the worker's paradise, waiting 3 weeks for a bar of soap.
Posted by: joeindc44 at September 22, 2011 01:52 PM (QxSug)

And it's right in line with the assertion from Joey Choo Choo that government has been responsible for all progress in this country from Day One (or words to that effect). Which led me back to the halcyon days of my youth when I was watching Wagon Train: and my most vivid memory was of the wagon train being followed in parallel with Bureaucrat Train, composed of intrepid regulators equipped with portable printing presses for publishing their voluminous edicts that kept the Wagon Trainers from veering into quicksand or over precipices.

616 Our analogy holds up in real world politics; Liberals see Conservatives as their mortal enemy - Conservatives see Liberals as idiots. Both sides are 100% correct in what they see.

Posted by: An Observation at September 22, 2011 01:53 PM (ylhEn)

There is nothing liberal about todays liberals.

Perspective creates reality

Wrong. Reality creates perspective. You just have to be willing and honest enough to face it.

617 Elizabeth Warren is a clustering stutterfuck of a failing misery.

On the other hand, so is O my Dinnerjacket.

Tomorrow Friday 7pm night in Tehran (Fri. 8:30 a.m. US Pacific Time Sept.23) the Iranian people are planning their revolt protest against the mullahs' theocracy. Expect a huge troop crackdown from the Iranian theocracy. But the Iranian population, greatly dissatisfied with their Islamofascist regime, are hoping that the West will pay attention to and appreciate their protest and willing sacrifice to suffer the blows in order to be recognized internationally for uprising against their government (again). The protest began with 3 million protesting last year's election fraud results. The government bribes 20-30% of the lower income population with $40/month for their silence and support of the regime. Hussein Hijazi spoke with George Noory 9/20.

618

Wrong. Reality creates perspective. You just have to be willing and honest enough to face it. --Posted by: Rex Harrison's Hat at September 22, 2011 02:06 PM (4136b)

I've grown accustomed to her face.

619 @634, yeah, who laid down the railroads...

620 @634, yeah, who laid down the railroads... The Chinese???

621 Exasperated that the likes of Breitbart only read the comments, the cobs have taken to posting the comments on the front page.

This is nothing but more of the same class-warfare rhetoric from the left, albeit slightly more artful than is typical.  Every time they want more of your money, its all about teachers, firemen, police, roads, blah, blah, blah.  They never address the problems and inefficiencies of the system that failed policies have built up over the last century (right and left). Why? Because it will cost them political capital and votes.  Pure and simple. This crap gets them votes, because people buy into this crap, without thinking critically about the problems.

As one of the above commenters praphrases, the wealthy and productive have made the best use out of the tools society (excluding the 40+% that may not pay any taxes except maybe sales taxes and the sin taxes that disproportionately hit the impoverished) has provided for everyone. And for that, they must be punished!

So, rather than invoke American on American envy and hatred with this same tired crap, why not put your support behind people who are willing to address the hard problems so we don't saddle our future generations with our continued failures?

This tax and spend mindset got us $700B+ in stimulus spending that was rotten with earmarks (Solyndra, anyone?) and that did absolutely nothing to turn around unemployment, in part because of the inefficiencies of and corruption in government, the daily assault on business, and the class-warfare that these people use to motivate their base.  This was a complete waste and its not even paid for.  It's gone.  It's our future generation's responsibility now (talk about the next kid who comes around?).  I don't blame businesses and the wealthy for hoarding cash in the face of such uncertain times and outright hostility. 

Obama-care has raised my employer's cost of health insurance by 35%, practically overnight, as businesses struggle to adapt to the increasing burdens. Does that get past on to me?  You betcha!  Instead of having money to reinvest, employers are forced to do the same with less, and employees bear the brunt.  My level or quality of coverage has not increased commensurately, and my future prospects for pay increases are diminished as what funds that otherwise would have been available are not. This 35% is purely attributable to the increased costs that insurers expect to see as a result of intrusive legislation.

I like the retort to this kind of screed by Milton Friedman. 

If you really are compassionate about helping the impoverished, tell me how these points do not have the capacity to improve the lives of Americans better than any heavy-handed intervention in business or class-warfare strategy.  The best way out of poverty is through employment.  How much does keeping people on the government dole improve a person's initiative to work and their marketable skills?  I'll answer that.  None!

The class-warfare Buffet rule is expected to raise revenue by increasing the capital gains rate in 2013, I believe.  Expect a market contraction as people lock in built-in gains at the lower rate, saving themselves real money by avoiding the tax risk.  Would you be willing to invest in a risky venture (tech start-ups) if you knew that to realize a gain, instead of having to pay 15% on capital gains you would have to pay 25% (aside from the fact that corporate income is already taxed before shareholders can recognize capital gains)?  Expect a further contraction in the capital markets.

This dual assault on the job market (reduced supply of workers and reduced investment by businesses and the wealthy) by such rhetoric as this hack proposes is doomed to continued failure.  I don't get how people can fail to recognize this.

622 Our analogy holds up in real world politics; Liberals see Conservatives as their mortal enemy - Conservatives see Liberals as idiots. Both sides are 100% correct in what they see. Posted by: An Observation at September 22, 2011 01:53 PM (ylhEn) Your analogy falls down like a sack of livers on the point that when the traffic stops, you have North Korea. In other words, one of those perspectives results in systems that do not work. So those points of view are not both 100% correct beyond the miniscule moment the people are in. Which is why we're always pointing out that leftists are staticists, they don't account for change over time, which is why they think there will always be rich people to tax no matter how high the tax rate is. This is also why the "so why hasn't socialist europe collpsed yet, huh" argument falls down. Destroying a society or culture takes time, it doesn't happen overnight. And europe is in that process now, as we have seen in our daily DOOM reports. Europe entered the modern era as the richest region in the history of mankind (partly, as the lefties once pointed out, by plundering other regions for treasure). They have squandered that wealth and the standard of life that wealth created.

623 Also, WRT education, I've seen what comes out of public schools, that's not an argument *for* increased taxes.

624 This is a really common liberal argument, however, one of the first I ever encountered. You owe us because we took your stuff and spent it for you.

625 "153 Lizzy Borden Warren took a tax and gave your wallet 40 whacks When she saw what she had done She gave your assets 41. Posted by: Guy Fawkes " PLEASE, can we make this a t-shirt???

626

I see all of these nice, warm and smiling people, applauding in this video and I think to myself that some of them must surely, almost certainly, be former trigger pullers to whom I own my way of life and my undying gratitude. I can't hate them, because I owe them better than that, but it just makes me want to puke a bucket full to see them lapping up this whoreshit, err I mean horseshit. We need to mount a rescue mission. We just have to save them somehow from the trance that they have been lured into. If we don't save them now, they will be the first ones scrambling up our backs as the waters really start to rise later on.

627 Also, Jordan makes the same classic political equivocation - American right vs. European right. Probably deliberately. In Europe, "right-wing" is largely synonymous with authoritarian. In America, it's not. So when the OED refers to "right-wing" that doesn't mean the same thing as "right-wing" discussing American politics. The political mainstream in Europe doesn't have a right wing in the sense we use the phrase. It's left and far left by our definition. Unfortunately, this conflation is also all too common on the left. When a Chinese diplomat, a London hotel owner and a Wisconsin grocer say "in the West," they just *might* not all mean the same thing.

628 Wish I had time to read everything here, but the highlights made my afternoon!

629

elizabeth warren only knows how to mooch off people

her teachings are so sickening

it's people like her who is responsible for the destruction of any work ethics, between her and krugman and their followers = the demise of our economy

I'm so disgusted

the filthy debilitating practices of the liberal elite is destrying this country--bottomline is they are scum living off the backs of hard working capitalist---leeches---all of them

630 When a European says "far right" he means a neo-Nazi.

631 Taxes were collected to build infrastructure and so are an investment by the society that paid those taxes. Later politicians have no 'right' to claim first fruits.  The Return on Investment is the growth of a societies affluence that also provides a larger tax base.  Those politicians didn't pay those taxes and have no right to demand compensation for risks they did not take.

632 And we need to do away with this false notion that there is an authoritarian left and an authoritarian right. That's a bullshit polysci crutch to support ever and ever more authoritarianism and total control by the state. They set up a false evil to the right and  then continually brandish the boogeyman of the evil right as justification to ignore all that they deem to be on the right.
The reality is: There is a scale, with two extremes on each end that can never be fully reached. On one end is total autonomy of the individual; the other is total control by the state. Totalitarianism, communism, socialism and liberalism and all in degrees toward more and more state control. All of the evils of the "right" as they define it are nothing more than examples of more and more state control over the individual. Conservatives, libertarians, etc. are on scale more and more toward the freedom of the individual. Now you can see why the continue the stupid notion of an evil left and an evil right. Because the more to the "right" as they define it is in reality giving more and more freedom to the individual.

633 Another sea hag mao fapping marxist cuntess... shocked.

If this were a video game you would have to seek out and seal the fissure in the ass crack of hell to stop the spawning/cloning of that creature.

634 "So when the OED refers to "right-wing" that doesn't mean the same thing as "right-wing" discussing American politics. " You don't have to tell me what it means, because one beauty of the OED is that it speaks for itself: right-wing: That section of a political party, assembly, or other body most tending to hold conservative or reactionary views (see right n.1 17 d). Freq. (with hyphen) attrib. or as adj. It's actually not a European term and the OED's usage examples are American, not European. First usage by William James in 1905, followed by Upton Sinclair. (There are earlier usages, but they refer to poultry or military maneuvers.)

635 Yeah, umm, that chick is crazy.

636 That room she's in and eveyone with her, it seems to be missing something, something that would make our world a whole lot better.

A JDAM comes to mind....

637 I'm kind of late to the party, and maybe someone has made this point already: While Warren's comments are silly and deserving of mocking, let's take them seriously for a moment. If she is correct in what she says, is she not implying that there is no excuse for poverty? If all it takes is some roads, a police force, a fire department, etc. to have a successful business, if hard work, intelligence, creativity, innovation, etc., are just minor concerns, then there is no excuse for not having a successful business, right?

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Posted by: John Galt at September 22, 2011 12:12 PM (9NQ6I)

I didn't read through all the comments but her and her husband make their 1/2 mil a year working for tax exempt, Harvard.

639 Jonah Goldberg made this point on Mega Kelly's show today.  I'm restating it in a longer version. Hopefully I do it justice:

If one is going to say that there is some 'extra' tax burden that the rich business owner owes over and
above his current personal tax rate, as a sort of  'pay back' for using the roads/bridges/police/fire infrastructure,
(paid for by all of society collectively)  that keeps his total business costs lower than they would otherwise be . . .

    WELL THEN BY THAT SORT OF 'LOGIC' . . .

        this rich business owner should be allowed to claim that all the taxes that are paid to the government by
         each and every one of his employees are actually taxes HE should get credit for, not them, because those taxes are only part of
           the wage he is paying them in his total costs of doing business.

The whole thing is silly, of course, but by Warren's own 'logic', the business owner deserves MORE of our thanks,
not less.

640 The reason why businesses have to relocate over seas, or have their phone calls routed to India (a third world country) to handle customer service, is because Americans with only a public school education, are basically illiterate and dysfunctional. And when these students turn into adults, 47% will pay nothing towards the cost of hiring all those unionized teachers who taught them so well. What's up with that? If it takes a fucking village to do shit, why aren't half of the villagers chipping in? There's your problem in a nut shell, lady.

641 Sorry Ace and others, that video had me spewing up the coffee I drank 4 hours ago. I vented my spleen a bit. Didn't mean to go all New Yawk on dat. At least you liked it enough to put it up top ... thanks!

642 The other thing on my mind is that I as a business support and give money/time/energy to worthwhile causes as I see them, in my community and my state. I live and work in Michigan. Our economy has been cratered by this libtards' fellow travelers. I don't spend a little on everything. I do spend where I see it makes a benefit to me, to my community. Its my right to make those decisions. I busted my ass for my money, and I get ... MEEEE .... to decide where and how it goes. I pay enough in taxes to hire multiple high wage high value income earners, who will help grow the business. But I can't. Because I have to send this money to the government so that they can spend it. On things I don't agree with. And then give it away, as often as not, to my competitors. Or in the case of the Palestinians, those who wish me to die. Why can't I simply pay this money to say two or three really good people, who will do a far better and more intelligent job spending it, than the government? Of all the insanely simple ideas out there, why not do that? Take all the money we would have paid to the government, and pay workers with this? Why not? Force the government to cut its spending. Simply deprive the beast of cash, and parts that are unneeded will wither and die.

643 Just a lowly employee here. I work for a very small company. It isn't I who have it all on the line. It wasn't I who shoulders all the risk. My boss works so many hours it is unreal. I do everything I can to put money in his pocket because I know that's how money ends up in mine. Perhaps Liz should look at a breakdown of who pays how much taxes, she would find that not only do we owe the brave successful entrepreneur for our jobs, but they also built the roads, and payed for the defense, and law enforcement, then still on average gave a lot more to charity to help others. I think we ought to be saying thank you. Not pay more.

644

663MIKETHEMOOSE

agree

this scary marxist knows NOTHING about really working for her pay, knows nothing of risks, all she knows how to do is inflame people to bite the hand that feeds them--just unbelievable

she is a know nothing marxist/socialist zombie moocher---how can anyone in this free market country--listen to her lies

645

she speaks like she is  leading a crowd of slaves---that's what she wants,

she wants to enslaves us--control us, like the rest of these dems/socialists are doing

what we eat/what to do with our kids/what to pay/what to get paid/just zombify everyone into numbered slaves.....How can our country allow this? How can a country full of free people walkin into their own shackles......

646 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

647 That's a lotta white people in that crowd...Racists.

648 608 Most of you are too young but back in the day it was fun watching our teachers giving Orwell as assigned reading while trying to explain him away at the same time.

Ohh, yeah!  I sat agog in my seat in 1978 as the teacher tried to explain to us that "Brave New World" was about a "right wing dystopia."  I was like listening to a physics teacher explain the Second Law of Thermodynamics makes perpetual motion possible...and being serious.

649 She epitomiozes FAIL turned up to 11. And to think that she is a tenured professor, ex-Obama advisor and all around idjit. Small wonder this country is off the economic cliff and headed for the bottom.

650 Most of her examples are paid for by local property taxes and local gasoline taxes. And when that factory packs up and moves to China, as they are wont to do because of high taxation and regulation, there will be less of a pool of contributors for her beloved police and roads. But instead of thanking the factory for the tremendous contribution she derides them as leeches.

651 Fighting through all the testosterone here, there's one point here that's obvious, and one other that's not-so-obvious but IMO inevitable: 1. Brown is cooked. Yes, Wall Street and the Chamber of Commerce are going to feed his campaign millions, maybe in the tens of millions; and yes, the race will establish a new record for money spent on a U.S. Senate seat, one so high it could end up being like that Bob Beamon record long jump in the Mexico City Olympics and last for a very long time. But the fact is, Warren is one of those candidates who, the more money spent against her, the less the negative effect on her chances; actually at a certain point, I think it's going to work in reverse: the more money spent against her, the stronger she will perform at the ballot box. This one YouTube video illustrates the point: millions could be spent against her, Rush could do a week on her alone, Fox News could spend that same week on her pretty much 24-7, the entire conservative blogosphere could rise up against her - and with one essentially zero investment YouTube uploaded from a cell phone, she both undoes all that and turns it all onto itself. Look at all those videos of old films in which Roosevelt is saying, I welcome their hate. 2. This goes beyond that one U.S. Senate seat. It's like running against a combination of an incumbent president, whose mere incumbency is bound to attract a certain level of support, and a new wave reform candidate taking on the establishment - something that has happened in the past in ONE candidate, but has never happened with two persons. It's like all the selling out that Obama did to Wall Street washes away, simply because Warren is on the same side of the ballot. I'm not arguing for either of these things to happen; I'm just predicting - just laying it out here to keep track of later on when it comes true. BTW, this does NOT mean I'm predicting Obama is going to win re-election. I'm less confident about this last one, but I do think either Perry or Romney is likely to beat Obama. The key may be how huge the resources turn out to be that Republicans and their supporters decide to pour into going after Warren, because all of those are going to end up wastage. I'd much prefer all those resources get spent in swing states like Ohio and Florida, where they can do some electoral college good.

652 It seems like all the things she mentions are things most conservatives and libertarians (at least as a whole) believe.

Scott Brown should call her bluff and make her explain how all the other things she wants the factory owner to pay for fit into this social contract.


Also, that's got to be one of the best displays of an Atlas Shrugged-type villain I've seen- denigrating the achievers and clearly acting superior to them as she seeks to gain power over them, knowing deep down she could never do what they do.

653 She's talking out of her a__ when she says a person can't--and has never--established a thriving business without the federal government's heavy involvement. The great old fortunes from steel, retail, railroads, oil, lumber, banking, etc. (Rockefeller, J.P. Morgan, Goldman, Vanderbilt, Hill, Astor, etc,) were built without much more than toll roads, and there was no, nada, zilch in the way of federal individual or corporate income taxes (not until 1913). And, of course no payroll taxes because they weren't instituted until the late 1930s. So what did you expect; she was appointed by THE ONE--The Snake Oil Salesman. Doug

654 Progs, simple minded people with only one  plan, foster class envy.

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656 So that means I can make her give me some of her stuff, right?