July 24, 2011
— rdbrewer
That picture cracks me up. It looks like adults trying to get some work done. Without the distraction of a self-absorbed brat-president. From National Journal:
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., met at the White House for a meeting at 6 p.m. that lasted a little more than an hour. The meeting started an hour after the first of the Asian global markets opened. House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, on Saturday had asked for a debt framework before then, intended to give the Asian markets time to process a last-ditch bid to ward off the market turmoil.Reid is taking a proposal for "at least" $2.5 trillion in spending cuts as part of a debt-ceiling deal, seeking Obama's approval, according to an aide.
Both Reid and Boehner are advancing plans to raise the debt ceiling. The biggest difference is that the Reid plan would increase the borrowing limit through at least the November 2012 election, while the Boehner proposal would have two stages – with the debt ceiling increase coming early next year and allowed only if matching spending cuts are enacted. Democrats have said that carrying the borrowing authorization past the election is a make-or-break provision. Republicans want two votes, saying they hope to wring more savings.
Meanwhile, conservatives are pushing for a bill to force Obama to avoid default and to pay Social Security recipients and soldiers. From The Hill:
Members of the Senate Tea Party Caucus have met with House freshmen to discuss a plan to pressure House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) to bring the Full Faith and Credit Act to the floor.The legislation would direct Obama to prioritize federal payments to the nationÂ’s creditors, Social Security recipients and soldiers serving in Afghanistan and Iraq.
And the White House just revealed it will go along with whatever deal that makes it through Congress.
In an accidental moment of honesty, White House Deputy Press Secretary Dan Pfeiffer today admitted on Twitter that President Obama will likely sign any debt deal Congress sends his way.
So, it looks like real progress is being made.
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Posted by: DailyDish at July 24, 2011 04:46 PM (Qagzd)
LEADERSHIP!!!
What? Signing whatever someone else comes up with while dancing around making work harder on everyone is pretty much "leadership" right? VICTORY!
I mean I've had bosses who did this; so this must count as a win for Obama, he finally got a deal put through in spite of his work... that's impressive, right? Look at that impressive leadership and delegation... the man has clearly won himself another vacation and some extra golf time.
Posted by: gekkobear at July 24, 2011 04:46 PM (TaWMq)
Posted by: left wing economist at July 24, 2011 04:47 PM (VidfH)
Posted by: Trimegistus at July 24, 2011 04:48 PM (3LhRG)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at July 24, 2011 04:49 PM (yQWNf)
Posted by: kansas at July 24, 2011 04:50 PM (A+g5T)
Posted by: USA at July 24, 2011 04:50 PM (6Cjut)
Osama Obama may be a traitor and the most dangerous individual ever to make it to D.C., but the slimeball couldn't get what he wanted without Congress aiding, abetting, and issuing him free passes.
Let's see details before thinking the Chicago Jesus didn't win this game.
Posted by: MrScribbler at July 24, 2011 04:50 PM (YjjrR)
Posted by: no good deed at July 24, 2011 04:53 PM (mjR67)
If this is true then why isn't the full repeal of obamacare in there?
Posted by: curious at July 24, 2011 04:53 PM (k1rwm)
Posted by: rdbrewer at July 24, 2011 04:54 PM (baxIY)
Posted by: left wing economist at July 24, 2011 04:55 PM (VidfH)
The ball bearings are coming out any time now.
Posted by: pep at July 24, 2011 04:56 PM (6TB1Z)
I do so hope he does that. Obama's going to look like an ineffectual clown after this bill goes through.
Posted by: rdbrewer at July 24, 2011 04:56 PM (baxIY)
What day and hour will we see disheveled leaders from both parties taking turns at a podium lauding themselves and each other for savng the republic once again? You know it's coming, and you know it's going to be a farce.
Posted by: Meremortal at July 24, 2011 04:57 PM (7FgWm)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 24, 2011 04:57 PM (UlUS4)
Posted by: ParisParamus at July 24, 2011 04:57 PM (oISis)
Posted by: George Armstrong Custer at July 24, 2011 04:57 PM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: USA at July 24, 2011 04:57 PM (6Cjut)
Posted by: cranky-d at July 24, 2011 04:57 PM (nRliU)
And I hope someone can answer it...
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But I have a math problem that I really need to solve, and I can't think of anyone beyond the Morons who can do it.
Here goes.......
Rasmussen's daily tracking poll is a rolling three day average of the preznidents popularity.
Here are the values....
Friday -15
Saturday -19
Sunday -21
Solve for Sundays stand alone, one day poll average.
I thing I come up with something like -29 for todays results to draw him from a rolling -15 average to a three day -21 average.
Is this possible,or am I overlooking something?
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 24, 2011 04:57 PM (6Im7x)
That would be a great political cartoon--Obama at the back of a parade looking like he thinks he's leading it.
Posted by: rdbrewer at July 24, 2011 04:58 PM (baxIY)
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at July 24, 2011 04:59 PM (c0A3e)
Posted by: blue star at July 24, 2011 04:59 PM (lofS9)
_______________
AND he will don stilts, a cowboy hat, and wear assless chaps!!
Posted by: Jim Sonweed at July 24, 2011 05:01 PM (a7CD9)
Funny, it's looks to me like four people trying to protect their phony baloney jobs. I didn't get a hurumph out of that guy.
Posted by: lowandslow at July 24, 2011 05:03 PM (GZitp)
Posted by: William Shatner at July 24, 2011 09:00 PM (baxIY)
Ohhhh Myyyyyyyyyyyyy!
Posted by: George Takai at July 24, 2011 05:03 PM (yQWNf)
Posted by: SurferDoc at July 24, 2011 05:04 PM (STdkO)
Oh my!
I can actually picture it.
Posted by: As If... at July 24, 2011 05:04 PM (piMMO)
You know what the headlines will be if a deal is made tonight.
"2 days after President Obama angrily derided Republicans and demanded a deal, he gets it."
Posted by: Tenstl at July 24, 2011 05:04 PM (GiF31)
Posted by: Penultimatum at July 24, 2011 05:05 PM (fJHpU)
I wouldn't be surprised by that at all.
Posted by: rdbrewer at July 24, 2011 05:05 PM (baxIY)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 24, 2011 08:57 PM (6Im7x)
I don't know about your math, but I think Rasmussen's tracking poll is best used as a short-term trend indicator.
Posted by: Meremortal at July 24, 2011 05:06 PM (7FgWm)
Remind me, was Ted Kaczynski inspired by the Tea Party or Sarah Palin?
Posted by: Y-not at July 24, 2011 05:07 PM (5H6zj)
Would be great to do a mini-golf cartoon with that concept
Posted by: ParisParamus at July 24, 2011 09:08 PM (oISis)
Someone that had skills could do a great you tube to that old song King TuT.
Posted by: robtr 80'sbaby Liberation Front at July 24, 2011 05:10 PM (MtwBb)
Posted by: Ben at July 24, 2011 05:12 PM (DKV43)
Posted by: elliemaeclampitt at July 24, 2011 05:12 PM (/vCUM)
My God, it's like there's some mild suspicion that the cuts would never be enacted otherwise.
Haven't read all the comments, stuttering clusterfuck, etc.
Posted by: alexthechick at July 24, 2011 05:12 PM (sf+iw)
Normally I'd be uninterested in a picture like that. But now? With no Obama? Hilarious.
Posted by: rdbrewer at July 24, 2011 05:13 PM (baxIY)
here is what this is, i am speculating
2.5 trillion in cuts over tens years, with all of it coming the the 8,9,10th year.
No tax hikes and a debt ceiling raised 2.5 Trillion dollars.
Yeah.. That's a big win for America....
Posted by: Ben at July 24, 2011 05:14 PM (DKV43)
Posted by: Cooter at July 24, 2011 05:14 PM (C06Qq)
Posted by: bergerbilder at July 24, 2011 05:14 PM (S1Ttj)
Posted by: pep at July 24, 2011 05:15 PM (6TB1Z)
I don't know about your math, but I think Rasmussen's tracking poll is best used as a short-term trend indicator.
I know it's short term, but we have all been beat about the ears all weekend about the budget.
And if my math is correct, Obama is getting cock punched in the polls in the short term.
That's why I honestly wish a Moron with greater math skills then myself were to look at it.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 24, 2011 05:16 PM (6Im7x)
Posted by: Ed Schultz at July 24, 2011 05:16 PM (kUaEF)
Posted by: CoolCzech at July 24, 2011 05:19 PM (kUaEF)
Oh crud, I just did it to myself. Raaaalph.
Posted by: GnuBreed at July 24, 2011 05:22 PM (ENKCw)
Little Baracky Baby has probably never heard the old saw, "Somedays you're the hydrant, some days you're the dog.". Barack has always acted like he's the dog, peeing all over h is enemies.
Well Barack--after this royal screwing of the pooch, you're the hydrant in November 2012.
Posted by: Comanche Voter at July 24, 2011 05:24 PM (3ESDJ)
Posted by: USA at July 24, 2011 05:25 PM (6Cjut)
Shweet. Discounting, of course, the meme that if their lips are moving, they're lying. Although, I think Barry's starting to have some real concerns about whether he can extend his reign of evil past '12.
Posted by: Peaches at July 24, 2011 05:26 PM (oHSOo)
Posted by: Barry XVI at July 24, 2011 05:29 PM (FcR7P)
If they work something out and we avoid default, Obama will take credit and the press will hail him as a miracle worker who brought all the children together.
If the R's cave on anything at all, the Lightworker will get even more credit and the press will chide the R's for holding out so long and pushing the country to the brink before caving anyway.
If we default, the R's will certainly get all of the blame.
So, seems like the perfect opportunity to do the right thing and let the eventual results of actually cutting some spending and holding firm on taxes speak for themselves.
Posted by: The Hammer at July 24, 2011 05:30 PM (0d8Fy)
Posted by: King Barry, Jack of Shit at July 24, 2011 05:32 PM (FcR7P)
Sack it up Boehner
Posted by: phreshone at July 24, 2011 05:34 PM (T3vCe)
He reminds me of first contact with the Ferengi on Trek when Riker passed Portal's test and the Ferengi were going nuts trying to claim they gave Riker the words he used to gain favor with Portal.
Not geeky enough?
Posted by: rdbrewer at July 24, 2011 05:37 PM (baxIY)
Posted by: bi-curious at July 24, 2011 05:37 PM (C0Z3w)
"imitation is the greatest form of flattery?" who said that? anyone know, please? I have a bet with a friend.
Posted by: curious at July 24, 2011 05:41 PM (k1rwm)
Starting to prepare myself for the inevitable, the MSM's glowing reports tomorrow morning about Barry's excellent leadership skillz, claiming he sent the Rs and Ds off to play together and only by the grace of his guidance could a deal be reached. IOW, he'll lie his lying ass off and the MSM will dutifully regurgitate it.
Ozero's MO: follow from behind, take credit for any accomplishment that squeaks through his incompetence, and be ready to lay blame instantly for anything that goes south. Rinse and repeat.
Posted by: Mayday at July 24, 2011 05:43 PM (TRgli)
Not geeky enough?
I wasted half the afternoon watching the linked "captains' summit" ..........so no, not geeky enough.
Posted by: dagny at July 24, 2011 05:45 PM (PbdDF)
Posted by: phreshone at July 24, 2011 05:47 PM (T3vCe)
Posted by: dagny at July 24, 2011 05:48 PM (PbdDF)
Also, the Repubs should absolutely insist that no deal that goes past the election will be considered. Force Obama and the Dems to admit in tears that they can't bear to debate this when the voters are paying strict attention.
Posted by: Z as in Jersey at July 24, 2011 05:53 PM (sXUiz)
"Based upon the facts, the average American has not benefited from the decades long materialistic frenzy. They have sacrificed their futures for the fleeting glory of ephemeral riches."
"Boehner admits "Cut, Cap, and Balance" is dead." Read »
Posted by: curious at July 24, 2011 05:53 PM (k1rwm)
I appreciate it. I couldn't find it cause it isn't "greatest" it's "sincerest"....so thanks a lot....
Posted by: curious at July 24, 2011 05:56 PM (k1rwm)
Saturday -19
Sunday -21
Solve for Sundays stand alone, one day poll average.
Is this possible,or am I overlooking something?
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 24, 2011 08:57 PM (6Im7x)
x2 = Monday
x3 = Tuesday
x4 = Wednesday
x5 = Thursday
x6 = Friday
x7 = Saturday's individual index value
You have entered the system
1/3 x1 + 1/3 x2 + 1/3 x3
= -17
1/3 x2 + 1/3 x3 + 1/3 x4
= -17
1/3 x3 + 1/3 x4 + 1/3 x5
= -15
1/3 x4 + 1/3 x5 + 1/3 x6
= -19
1/3 x6 + 1/3 x6 + 1/3 x7 = -21
This system has infinitely many solutions, which are (with parameters ri):
{
x1 = r1+6, x2 = - r2- r1-69, x3 = r2+12, x4 = r1+6, x5 = - r2- r1-63, x6 = r2, x7 = r1 }.
Been ages since I have done this, but it's an average, and you don't have the starting values, so they could be anything.
Not sure how to solve this with limits (each value has to be >0 and < 100) which would help narrow things down quite a bit. Maybe chemjeff or maet could help out or suggest a different method.
There has to be a way to narrow the field of possible results.
Posted by: alexthedude at July 24, 2011 05:58 PM (sUnsW)
Posted by: curious at July 24, 2011 06:00 PM (k1rwm)
Posted by: curious at July 24, 2011 06:01 PM (k1rwm)
Posted by: curious at July 24, 2011 06:09 PM (k1rwm)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 24, 2011 06:10 PM (UlUS4)
Maybe those four smiling sphincters sitting at the table?
Posted by: Concealed Kerry or Submit at July 24, 2011 10:03 PM (tHnoW)
that would be highly unethical, don't you think?
Posted by: curious channeling cankles at July 24, 2011 06:10 PM (k1rwm)
Posted by: DailyDish at July 24, 2011 06:14 PM (Qagzd)
All three guests are saying that Reid is calling the republicans bluff in an effort to make them revisit this issue after the president is re elected.
they are saying we, the people, should be questioning the highly partisan nature of the talks.....
Posted by: curious channeling cankles at July 24, 2011 06:16 PM (k1rwm)
Posted by: Scalheli Frurnson at July 24, 2011 06:17 PM (qXGZK)
(Try to imagine I look like Vivien Leigh. HA!)
I only hope our nation isn't Gone With the Wind.
Good night, morons!
Posted by: Miss Marple at July 24, 2011 06:18 PM (Fo83G)
wow, just wow, politics when the country is on a precipice?????
Posted by: curious channeling cankles at July 24, 2011 06:18 PM (k1rwm)
fund saying that perry is in....
made a major step today to try to neutralize some of the social issues referencing his comments to the aspen colorado audience about NY and gay marriage.
Posted by: curious channeling cankles at July 24, 2011 06:28 PM (k1rwm)
while the Boehner proposal would have two stages – with the debt ceiling increase coming early next year and allowed only if matching spending cuts are enacted. Democrats have said that carrying the borrowing authorization past the election is a make-or-break provision. Republicans want two votes, saying they hope to wring more savings.
this isn't good?
Posted by: willow at July 24, 2011 06:28 PM (h+qn8)
I am searching everywhere to find these two proposals in writing, something, anything and not just someone else's interpretation of what was said or they think was said and I can't find anything. I feel like I did when I was researching obamacare. I would like to think that they forget the looming election and do what is best for the country and not their careers but I feel so defeated by their past actions I don't think either party or the president is capable of that.
As john fund just pointed out, there is not a single school of economics that would advocate raising taxes in our precarious position yet somehow they think they can, things for them will be different. I hate this stuff where all the information comes out days later and when you read the original articles you read, nothing is the same.
Posted by: curious channeling cankles at July 24, 2011 06:32 PM (k1rwm)
Posted by: izoneguy at July 24, 2011 06:36 PM (i6Neb)
Posted by: willow at July 24, 2011 10:28 PM (h+qn
Reid's plan will just kick the can past the 2012 elections. Then we're back where we started. Boehner's 2-step will potentially force much larger cuts via entitlement and tax reform than Dingy's faux $2.7 trillion. I suspect that only part of those will be in step/tier 2 and the rest will be in a tier 3.
Posted by: passin' thru at July 24, 2011 06:50 PM (ucq49)
Posted by: willow at July 24, 2011 06:54 PM (h+qn8)
One thing I have to say about the foursome in the photo - I don't trust McConnell or Boehner. I wouldn't be surprised if either/or gives in and any agreement they announce includes some sort of new taxes or tax increases.
Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at July 24, 2011 07:02 PM (UF15p)
Posted by: JackStraw at July 24, 2011 07:14 PM (EaTZK)
I've been watching the bond market. Not a peep, and in fact last I checked Ts were up a smidge. So the claims of market armaggedon if a deal wasn't reached this afternoon look a big exaggerated.
Just watch Ts, nothing else. If the market gets spooked about US debt, that's where you'll see it.
Posted by: publius(NotBreitbartPublius) at July 24, 2011 07:14 PM (VVB18)
Posted by: Comanche Voter at July 24, 2011 07:22 PM (3ESDJ)
If this is $2.5 trillion over ten years then it really isn't that big a deal either way since it is $250 billion a year which is about 1/6 of the yearly deficit. We will still be on a trajectory to double the debt in 8-10 years time.
Once Obamacare comes online it will eat up the savings all but itself.
Since there are no structural changes being made and current Congresses can't bind future ones the only thing that matters is what is cut right now in the current budget.
Posted by: Voluble at July 24, 2011 07:57 PM (JKX4x)
Posted by: specialkayel at July 24, 2011 08:06 PM (ua//3)
@Voluble
The number that keeps hanging me up - $5.4 trillion in interest.
And we're cutting how much in spending? Unemployment will have to be how low, and the economy growing how fast to ever get out of debt w/o massive spending cuts and entitlement reforms?
Posted by: passin' thru at July 24, 2011 08:10 PM (ucq49)
Yea, right. The random, ever hard to find, "spending cuts." 2..5 trillion today will be something like 8 billion by the time people really read the bill, which will be after it's passed. Real work indeed.
Posted by: Rich at July 24, 2011 08:22 PM (OX4OZ)
If this is $2.5 trillion over ten years then it really isn't that big a deal either way since it is $250 billion a year which is about 1/6 of the yearly deficit. We will still be on a trajectory to double the debt in 8-10 years time.
Yahtzee!
Furthermore, I can almost guarantee the entire 250 is a combination of reduction in defense spending and reduction in "spending through the tax code"
If it's been written down at all
Posted by: Truman North at July 24, 2011 08:39 PM (K2wpv)
Posted by: Gasman at July 24, 2011 09:46 PM (cgrfB)
It's not over yet, is it?
Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at July 24, 2011 10:10 PM (UF15p)
PELOSICARE = welfare for the middle class. Guess what - we can't afford it.Waht we can afford is to pay for our own health care insurance thru a free market systme where the government has it's graft hands off it.
PELOSICARE. We can't afford it. But so what! The lazy leftwing middle class want and expect free stuff at the expense of the nation's economic viability.
Posted by: Lemon Kitten at July 25, 2011 04:51 AM (0fzsA)
This isn't a picture of responsible people. Its the photo of the heads of various mafia families dividing up the loot and planning their next heist.
Does anyone believe that a family can manage its financial affairs better than these leaders? Anyone using the policies of these people woiuld be bankrupt.
Why then do we allow them to do this to our nation?
Posted by: Molon Labe at July 25, 2011 11:44 AM (g5MrG)
Posted by: GHD Straighteners at July 30, 2011 11:17 PM (aLmvz)
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