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May 23, 2011

Rep. King: Rudy Giuliani Is "Very Close" To Jumping Into the Race
— Ace

Hm, did Kristol know something or guess right?

I suppose Giuliani's theory is that he'd be running as the Chris Christie type (and Chris Christie himself had, before we became more familiar with him than Giuliani, once been a Rudy Giuliani type).

And since Chris Christie is wanted, but not present, that would be him.

I don't know, I don't know. He really failed to impress last time, and I do not think the GOP is any more likely to accept a pro-choicer this time.

Oh, and Trump claiming to be pro-life? And being kinda-sorta halfway believed? Just proves Giuliani could have done that four years ago. Now? I don't think that would fly.

Thanks to DrewM.

Oh: And Trump could conceivably jump back in.

And Even... Dick Armey: Hey, let's draft Paul Ryan.

Posted by: Ace at 06:28 PM | Comments (88)
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1 He won't win the nomination, but he'd make a fantastic VP choice.

Posted by: Nick at May 23, 2011 06:29 PM (9ECrm)

2 Well, you would need to worry about him bowing to anyone. He's a NY conservative, remember. That doesn't play well in flyover country.

Posted by: trainer at May 23, 2011 06:31 PM (yCWYQ)

3 Rudy is not the one.I like him though.

Posted by: steevy at May 23, 2011 06:32 PM (m3WP2)

4 Note that Giuliani lost New Hampshire not because of his stance on abortion (which, sadly, NHers favor), but because he was anti-gun. This is a huge negative, in both the primaries and the general election.

Posted by: Ken at May 23, 2011 06:33 PM (dvQqE)

5 Rudy, if you want to help, take out one of the NY D senators. Otherwise, I like you, I really do (in spite of some of your positions), but no, you won't win.

Posted by: Harry Callahan at May 23, 2011 06:33 PM (UUlHp)

6 Next time, Rudy, don't bet the farm on Florida.

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at May 23, 2011 06:33 PM (c0A3e)

7 He wouldn't make a better vp choice than Rubio. I think Rubio can just be written down as VP choice right now, whoever wins.

Posted by: ace at May 23, 2011 06:33 PM (nj1bB)

8 Rep. Peter King says at a dinner in DC tonight.

See, nothing good happens at these DC dinners/cocktail parties.

Posted by: DrewM. at May 23, 2011 06:35 PM (WnQJ3)

ot: Why I love Col. Allen West.

We have your back, Col. West.

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at May 23, 2011 06:35 PM (0fzsA)

Rudy - I like him. He'll have to show up with his super dooper A++ game. See how it goes.

Newt didn't just screw the pooch, he screwed the big dog. You don't screw the big dog.

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at May 23, 2011 06:38 PM (0fzsA)

11 Rudy, if you want to help, take out one of the NY D senators. Otherwise, I like you, I really do (in spite of some of your positions), but no, you won't win.

Posted by: Harry Callahan at May 23, 2011 10:33 PM (UUlHp)

He could take out Gillibrand. In virtually every poll in 2010, he handily beat her- and we are talking even the Kos and Sienna polls.

If he jumps in against her then the DEM SENATE COMMITTEE may as well commit mass suicide. They would be facing him in NY, Thompson in Wisconsin, an open race in North Dakota (hah), trying to defend Nelson? Fat chance.

Money would probably go to Tester, McCaskill, and the open VA race until that one looks like a dud. More than likely it would go to try to defend the 2nd tier- Bill Nelson, Brown (OH), Casey, Stabenow, the open seat in New Mexico, the open seat in Hawaii, etc to prevent an embarassment.

Posted by: CAC at May 23, 2011 06:39 PM (O3+7J)

12 Rudy's campaign would be a disaster like his last one. His last one was a disaster because Rudy's a disaster. Rudy was perfect for a neurotic place like New York. What made him palatable to the electorate in that city is exactly what makes him unfit to lead the Republican Party.

I've said this about Romney, but it goes the same for Rudy- you can be the governor of a deep blue state like Mass. or you can be the Republican nominee for Senate. You can't be both.

Posted by: sartana at May 23, 2011 06:41 PM (/IW23)

NY moves ahead of NE,MT and MO in terms of likelihood to flip if G steps in.

He is the rare popular Republican in the Empire State. The Taxasaurus killer, popular until one too many gaffes in 1998, won in bad GOP years there of 1986 and 1992.

If a Republican carries 40% of New York City, he carries the rest of the state anyway and wins by 55% statewide. That senate seat is his if he really, really wants it.

Posted by: CAC at May 23, 2011 06:42 PM (O3+7J)

14 I think Rudy's time has passed. He should have run for governor.

Posted by: Y-not at May 23, 2011 06:43 PM (pW2o8)

15 I'm not going to vote for him in a primary, but I'm not against him getting in the race at all and wouldn't hesitate to vote for him in a general. I just don't really get what his strategy was in the last race. It was some truly awful advice he followed. I'll be honest here, I don't really want to have to vote for Romney in the general, and I think Rudy could effectively take a nice chunk of Romney's support if he ran a decent campaign.

I agree with comment #1, by the way. Can't see him winning, but he could get himself in the VP picture pretty easily I think if someone other than Romney wins.

Posted by: Dave S. at May 23, 2011 06:44 PM (UvR6d)

16 Rudy, if you want to help, take out one of the NY D senators. Otherwise, I like you, I really do (in spite of some of your positions), but no, you won't win. I wish he would.. I have no problem with him being from NY in the Senate..

Posted by: Dave C at May 23, 2011 06:44 PM (Xus7V)

17 On another note, has anyone checked out Rasumussen lately? He's got some awesome numbers for someone named Generic Republican. I've never heard of this guy and don't know if he's announced his intention, but this may be something. I don't even know if he's a dude or not, but he seems to be leading Obama in the hypothetical match-up by two points. That's an odd name though- Generic. Is that Basque? I think we should check this guy out.

Posted by: sartana at May 23, 2011 06:45 PM (/IW23)

18
Rudy can run, but he's already lost the squeegie guy vote.

Posted by: Fish the Impaler at May 23, 2011 06:45 PM (cwFVA)

19 He won't win the nomination, but he'd make a fantastic VP choice. Or Att. Gen...

Posted by: Dave C at May 23, 2011 06:45 PM (Xus7V)

20 the republican party....a hot mess

Posted by: curious at May 23, 2011 06:47 PM (k1rwm)

21 Trump isn't going to do dick.His ego was probably a bit bruised so he holds out the possibility he will jump back in.

Posted by: steevy at May 23, 2011 06:47 PM (m3WP2)

22 That's an odd name though- Generic. Is that Basque?

My education, coming as it does largely from Asterix books, leads me to believe that "Generic" is Gothic.

Posted by: Waterhouse at May 23, 2011 06:47 PM (YCfy9)

23 >>>? He's got some awesome numbers for someone named Generic Republican. I've never heard of this guy I keep trying to tell you but you don't listen. I'm not on Team T-Paw because of his excitement level, you now.

Posted by: ace at May 23, 2011 06:49 PM (nj1bB)

24 Didn't anyone tell Giuliani that with Bin Laden dead he has no chance of winning anything now?

Posted by: Ben at May 23, 2011 06:49 PM (DKV43)

25 I agree with several others up above,Rudy in the senate would be great.He fucked us over(NYers) by not running last time.

Posted by: steevy at May 23, 2011 06:49 PM (m3WP2)

26 I believe you may have overlooked someone ....

Posted by: Rick Perry's Hair at May 23, 2011 06:50 PM (HqdkS)

27 Yes, definitely old Gothic. Like a bronze age Gothic. Visigothic, even. Where's this guy been hiding?

Posted by: sartana at May 23, 2011 06:51 PM (/IW23)

28 Will it be Rudy Giuliani himself, or will Sean Astin play the part of Rudy?

Posted by: stuiec at May 23, 2011 06:51 PM (HMdeP)

29 DAVID DINKINS!!!

Posted by: MATT DAMON at May 23, 2011 06:51 PM (+vkOU)

He wouldn't make a better vp choice than Rubio.

I think Rubio can just be written down as VP choice right now, whoever wins.

I really like Rubio, but aren't we doing with him what the Democrats did with Obama? Push someone ahead because of their race simply because of their race and not accomplishments.

I'm sure he was good in Florida, but let's give him a few years in the bull pen before we throw him out there.

That being said, he will be the VP choice.

Posted by: Ben at May 23, 2011 06:51 PM (DKV43)

Oh, and Trump claiming to be pro-life? And being kinda-sorta halfway believed? Just proves Giuliani could have done that four years ago. Now? I don't think that would fly.

I believe the Guliani claims to actually be "Pro-Life". You know in exactly the same way John Kerry claimed to be "Pro-Life."

He should have run for a governor or Senate. I don't see him generating even the level of support he got last time outside of the Greater New York area.

Posted by: buzzion at May 23, 2011 06:51 PM (oVQFe)

32 >>>Didn't anyone tell Giuliani that with Bin Laden dead he has no chance of winning anything now? I'm going to pull him out of the ocean, put his corpse in a pretty dress, take him out dancing, and then go Strauss-Kahn on his orifices every night. That's my pledge.

Posted by: Rudy Giulliani at May 23, 2011 06:52 PM (nj1bB)

33 That's an odd name though- Generic. Is that Basque?

My education, coming as it does largely from Asterix books, leads me to believe that "Generic" is Gothic.

Posted by: Waterhouse at May 23, 2011 10:47 PM (YCfy9)

Generic is the celebrity couple of Gennifer Flowers and Eric Cantor.

Posted by: stuiec at May 23, 2011 06:52 PM (HMdeP)

34 just saw on the blaze that BO's minions are already running ads against the perceived republican candidates. well heck, those ad guys have been out of work due to obamanomics so why not offer them the opportunity to volunteer their services with the hope of maybe getting a permanent job in his next 4 years.

I think it's too funny, BO carrying on a campaign by himself...

Posted by: curious at May 23, 2011 06:52 PM (k1rwm)

35 no guiliani said he was pro-choice, period, at a debate. Slick move.

Posted by: ace at May 23, 2011 06:53 PM (nj1bB)

36 The good thing is that we wouldn't have to worry about Rudy Giuliani deciding what to do on the basis of how it would affect his marriage.

Posted by: stuiec at May 23, 2011 06:53 PM (HMdeP)

37 Mr. Guiliani would be an excellent choice for President.

Posted by: Getmotivatedregistration dot Com at May 23, 2011 06:53 PM (EL+OC)

38 Excitement level? What's not exciting about weak tea, or plain Vanilla?

Posted by: sartana at May 23, 2011 06:54 PM (/IW23)

I keep trying to tell you but you don't listen.

I'm not on Team T-Paw because of his excitement level, you now.

Posted by: ace at May 23, 2011 10:49 PM (nj1bB)

Its because you think the mild sauce at Buffalo Wild Wings is too spicy isn't it?

Posted by: buzzion at May 23, 2011 06:54 PM (oVQFe)

40 It's because you guys are dreamers and want someone who "captures your imagination" whereas I just want to capture the White House.

Posted by: ace at May 23, 2011 06:55 PM (nj1bB)

I do kinda like Rudy but he is loaded for bear with baggage and skeletons in his closet and there is that photo of him dressed as a woman.

He wouldn't carry his own state. I don't see him flipping Pennsylvania or even maybe Ohio.

He should have run against Gillabrand in 2010, he probably would have won.

Posted by: Ben at May 23, 2011 06:56 PM (DKV43)

Its because you think the mild sauce at Buffalo Wild Wings is too spicy isn't it?

Posted by: buzzion at May 23, 2011 10:54 PM (oVQFe)

If you've ever been face down in a bowl full you'd have more respect for it.

Posted by: De' Debil Hisself at May 23, 2011 06:56 PM (H+LJc)

43 35 no guiliani said he was pro-choice, period, at a debate.

Slick move.

Posted by: ace at May 23, 2011 10:53 PM (nj1bB)

Did he? Are you sure? I thought he pulled the John Kerry schtick about being personally opposed to abortion since he's a Catholic but his personal beliefs shouldn't be forced onto others through the government.

Posted by: buzzion at May 23, 2011 06:57 PM (oVQFe)

44 Sheriff Joe dreaming of throwing his hat into the ring.

Posted by: curious at May 23, 2011 06:57 PM (k1rwm)

45 If Pawlenty were to win, I have to admit I really look forward to the attack ads. The gradual black and white zoom in with ominous music in the background... "Tim Pawlenty, too dangerous for America."

Posted by: Dave S. at May 23, 2011 06:57 PM (UvR6d)

46 It's George Pataki who is going to run. Peter King got confuzzled.

Posted by: curious at May 23, 2011 06:58 PM (k1rwm)

47 ...just saw on the blaze that BO's minions are already running ads against the perceived republican candidates.- curious

Ah. Perceived Republican. I believe he gets about six points just by showing up. This primary could be interesting.

Posted by: sartana at May 23, 2011 06:58 PM (/IW23)

48 I wonder if generic will ask perceived to be his/her vp?

Posted by: curious at May 23, 2011 06:59 PM (k1rwm)

49 A conservative in the Executive is most desirable, but who would they bring into their cabinet positions and policy positions? It's like a revolving door.
How do they go about dismantling the monster that is already entrenched there?

Posted by: De' Debil Hisself at May 23, 2011 07:01 PM (H+LJc)

50 Yeah "Morally wrong" but supports women's rights to choose.

Posted by: buzzion at May 23, 2011 07:01 PM (oVQFe)

51 rudy on abortion is the quintessential politician.

Posted by: curious at May 23, 2011 07:01 PM (k1rwm)

52 new post, herman cain admits he didn't understand the right of return.

Posted by: ace at May 23, 2011 07:01 PM (nj1bB)

53 Rudy on abortion.

(Not quite as bad as ace thought.)

Posted by: Y-not at May 23, 2011 07:02 PM (pW2o8)

54 46, DaveS., yes, I both chuckled and nodded in assent.

Posted by: ace at May 23, 2011 07:02 PM (nj1bB)

55 54 Oh for fucks sake.....

Posted by: De' Debil Hisself at May 23, 2011 07:03 PM (H+LJc)

56 ...I just want to capture the White House.

Yes, to capture the White House. But I believe someone else has a claim in on that:

http://tinyurl.com/446vl5f

Posted by: sartana at May 23, 2011 07:04 PM (/IW23)

57 Rudy's been hanging with a lot of conservatives lately.

Fucking Colin Powell and Dan Rather.

Posted by: Barbarian at May 23, 2011 07:04 PM (EL+OC)

58 Rudy > JEF.

Allowed.

Posted by: nickless at May 23, 2011 07:04 PM (MMC8r)

59 From the debate coverage (2007): Each state should decide whether it wants to pay for abortions for low-income women, he argued. He added that he had supported taxpayer funding of abortion in New York, but Â“in other places people can come to a different decision.Â” Later Giuliani went so far as to use the language of the abortion rights movement: Â“Ultimately, since it is an issue of conscience, I would respect a womanÂ’s right to make a different choice.Â… You have to respect a womanÂ’s right to make that choice differently than my conscience.Â” http://tinyurl.com/3o5mbps

Posted by: ace at May 23, 2011 07:05 PM (nj1bB)

60 Rudy, do us a favor and run for Senator in NY...that is all

Posted by: Red Shirt at May 23, 2011 07:05 PM (FIDMq)

61 Although I thought he actually said "I'm pro choice." Damn, that sticks in my mind as a "fact" but who knows maybe memory is tricking me. But I thought I knew that for a real fact. I can see him saying it. With an apologetic shrug.

Posted by: ace at May 23, 2011 07:06 PM (nj1bB)

62 I may be wrong. I think I am. Well, he did say it was "okay" if the SC upholds Roe.

Posted by: ace at May 23, 2011 07:08 PM (nj1bB)

63 All of these guys are just jumping up and down for the pub - none of them has a serious organization or fundraising team in place. Show me - their Campaign Managers, Press Secretary, Finance Committees, and State leads for first 10 primaries.

So we have Mittens, and maybe Cain or Palin running some sort of insurgent, upstart, unconventional thing. TPaw is dipping his toes in - but no major commitment yet. Perry could round up a team in Texas fairly quickly, but hasn't pulled the trigger yet. (That sentance sings like Gene Autry.)

Thats what we got, and its really early -- so howabout that NY election, those Governorships, some Wisc recall shit.

Posted by: Jean at May 23, 2011 07:15 PM (WkuV6)

64 If Rudy gets in, I hope he'd understand he'd need to go balls out in NH this time. For that reason I hope this is true. He'd be most naturally competing with Romney for voters and I want Romney to have to compete harder in that state.

Posted by: Dave S. at May 23, 2011 07:19 PM (UvR6d)

65 Good grief, until someone actually, officially declares . . .

Let's stop with these damn posts!!

Posted by: logprof at May 23, 2011 07:21 PM (BP6Z1)

66 64 I may be wrong. I think I am.

Well, he did say it was "okay" if the SC upholds Roe.

Posted by: ace at May 23, 2011 11:08 PM (nj1bB)

It can happen. That's why I called it a John Kerry like view of abortion. Because he pulled that in one of his debates with Bush. As a Catholic of course he's pro-life. But he can't legislate his personal views onto other people. It just screamed bullshit when Kerry did it, and I don't like it when others try a similar tactic with abortion.

Posted by: buzzion at May 23, 2011 07:21 PM (oVQFe)

67 I'm not enthusiastic about Rudy's "position" on abortion (and he did foolishly support partial birth abortions back in the day), but it is not that unusual of a position for a politician to take, especially a male Catholic politician. I mean, if you're Catholic (and Italian) you have to still combat the anti-papist crowd. Plus, if you're a guy for some reason (which completely escapes me but nevertheless) popular opinion holds that you're supposed to defer to the woman. So that's his position.

So he does not have a great position on abortion for a Catholic, and as a Catholic I do fault him for that, but it is not - for me - a deal-breaker as a GOP candidate for POTUS.

But I just think his time has passed.

Posted by: Y-not at May 23, 2011 07:21 PM (pW2o8)

68 Last election I was more a Romney guy, his amateur hour behavior on issues and his inability to stop being a punching bag during the debates was disheartening. Modern Republican President is a position that needs a shark/bear/lion not a boy scout. Near the end I started looking towards Fred and Rudy much more closely.

Right now, I would vote for a Giuliani ticket. He has the important combo of executive government experience and willing/"able"ness to scrap with the media that is desperately needed. I would love Able(Rudy)/Cain ticket.

Early on while we have leverage we would need to get him committed to some conservative concessions regarding judges and abortion.

If we get a lesser experienced nominee then a Giuliani could also make an important VP. Gravitas is the word that keeps coming to mind, in a field weak on it.

Posted by: Shiggz at May 23, 2011 07:23 PM (mLAWK)

69 26

Please run.

Posted by: Dick_Nixon at May 23, 2011 07:25 PM (91RY/)

70 Does anyone else think he could be useful in splitting the Rino vote?

Posted by: Dakota crank at May 23, 2011 07:43 PM (OLdtM)

71 So that gal out in Ponte Vedra with the Rudy 08 license plate might not look like a moron after all?

Posted by: Clueless at May 23, 2011 07:54 PM (piMMO)

72
Does anyone else think he could be useful in splitting the Rino vote?
Posted by: Dakota crank at May 23, 2011 11:43 PM

Don't know about that, but I think he could pull the DINO vote. Also the PUMA vote. (Lots of crossover there.)

Posted by: arhooley at May 23, 2011 08:23 PM (GQpG1)

73 Rudy's path is to come out for "social federalism" - no messing with state laws on social issues, either by regulators or by the courts, and not in either direction. Let the people decide, based on local standards. He can say that and mean it, and if people will buy it he is very solid on everything else: fiscal policy, foreign policy, executive experience, etc. And he has far more personal force than anyone else in the race (on either side.) His domestic issues are four years farther in the past. He would destroy Obama in debate. Why not?

Posted by: Mahon at May 23, 2011 08:24 PM (SATip)

74 Don't attack but I like Rudy. Lord I like anyone other that Obama, and Romney, and Gingrich, and Trump and especially Huntsman......

Posted by: Donna at May 23, 2011 08:25 PM (bdE9c)

75 Don't attack but I like Rudy. Lord I like anyone other that Obama, and Romney, and Gingrich, and Trump and especially Huntsman......

Anyone but Obama 2012!

Posted by: Clueless at May 23, 2011 08:29 PM (piMMO)

76 Anyone but Obama 2012!

At this point it pretty much sums up my position....

Posted by: Donna at May 23, 2011 08:35 PM (bdE9c)

Draft Rick Perry, damnit!

10+ years of executive experience with the best record of job creation among the 57 states. Tough on illegal immigration. No scandal. And my sister tells me he's a good-looking fellow.

Posted by: Jingo at May 23, 2011 08:41 PM (JlBmQ)

78 I like Rudy. I don't mind if he gets in the race though he has the potential to take some Romney votes. He still brings some personality and likability by independents to the republican table which I think helps us overall.

Posted by: polynikes - Romney supporter at May 23, 2011 08:43 PM (T8iAI)

79 #76--Sounds good, except that he would still nominate Supreme Court justices. If you want to see how violently the conservative coalition can split, simply put a pro-choice candidate on the top of the ticket.

Posted by: Dakota Crank at May 23, 2011 08:58 PM (Mdmw5)

80 Bob Dole is the only real choice. Bob Dole's charisma, talent, and 4-hour boner will persuade 47 states to support Bob Dole in 2012. Bob Dole!!!

Posted by: Bob Dole! at May 23, 2011 08:59 PM (7mSYS)

81 Rudy has a number of positions that I don't care for, but I can't help but like the guy. I'm still looking over the primary field, but Giuliani absolutely has my vote in the general if he gets the nomination.

Posted by: Zombie Leon Trotsky at May 23, 2011 09:35 PM (hNZ4y)

82
I like Rudy. Palin/Giuliani 2012, just to offend everyone.

Posted by: arhooley at May 23, 2011 09:58 PM (GQpG1)

83 Does Rudy support Romneycare? Anyone like that isn't going to do what must be done to fix this nation's main crisis.

I like Rudy, so tell me he has spoken our against mandates.

Right now, I'll support the most electable competition to Mitt Romney.

Posted by: Dustin at May 23, 2011 10:28 PM (Q3nWV)

84 Why the hell would Rudy be running? He can't have debt left over from 2008 right?

Posted by: Rocks at May 23, 2011 10:44 PM (th0op)

85 WTF, does Bob Dole still have a pulse? Throw him in.

Posted by: barackin' hissy obama at May 23, 2011 11:17 PM (qvify)

86 79 Anyone but Obama 2012!

At this point it pretty much sums up my position....
Posted by: Donna at May 24, 2011 12:35 AM

Yep...

Posted by: backhoe at May 24, 2011 12:14 AM (0bk6W)

87 If Dick Armey says Paul Ryan is da man, I'll be voting for the woman.

I'll stick with Sarah.

Posted by: Blacksmith8 at May 24, 2011 02:08 AM (Q1qy3)

88 Rudy Mussolini. Just frakking great.

Posted by: Ken at May 24, 2011 04:05 AM (fFh95)

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