August 28, 2011
— Ace Perhaps the rebuttal piece is too long to read.
Let me quickly restate the facts of this nontroversy, and then explain why Pam Geller and Robert Spencer are pretty much now teenagers in Salem, Mass., throwing out allegations of Witchcraft and Devil-Consorting just because it's fun and dramatic and gets them attention and power.
In 2002, the Aga Khan, apparently a moderate Muslim, met with Perry to discuss setting up a seminar for teachers -- who were already teaching about Islam in World History class -- to learn more about Islam.
The seminars were paid for by the Aga Khan's foundation (and maybe the University of Texas at Austin -- not sure on this last one). The seminar information was provided by Harvard University, with additional input from UT/Austin.
In 2005-2006, 80 teachers got these academic briefings on Islam. The briefings were what you'd expect coming from Harvard and UT/Austin -- standard college crap, meaning a little PC and accentuating the positive as regards Islam's bloody history.
But it was the standard crap being taught at every college and most high schools.
Based on this, Pam Geller, seconded by Robert Spencer, has called Rick Perry "The 5th Columnist Candidate" and accused him of "serial sedition."
Her case consists as follows:
1. What teachers were taught was a dahwah, which is Islamic for "invitation to prayer." That is, she alleges the seminar was actually designed for purposes of religious conversion to Islam.
Here is her evidence for this. From the project's online website, explaining the general purpose of it, she quotes:
[Quoting the abstract:] Prophet Muhammad has become the paradigm, or role model, who is worthy of being emulated. As GodÂ’s chosen prophet and messenger, he best embodied how to live a life in accordance with GodÂ’s will. In this sense, he and the prophets before him, including Abraham, Moses, Joseph, Jacob and Jesus, are perceived as exemplary muslims[Gellar now, commenting:] The real question is, should our children be taught this steaming pile of propaganda? I would not want that dawah taught to my children in public school. I want a candidate who is up to snuff on this. Ahead of the curve would be ideal, but at least cognizant of it.
So, the project endeavored to teach what Muslims believe, and Geller took this not as flatly saying "Here is what Muslims believe," but as a dahwah, an instruction into what teachers should believe (that is, they should believe Mohammad was a prophet, and Abraham and Jesus were lesser prophets). Presumably then these converts would train their schoolchildren to be Muslims too.
Rather than taking this as what it is -- a simple factual statement about Muslim believe -- Geller insists it is an attempt to convert the dhimmis.
This is obviously wrong -- and obviously stupid -- on its face. Every world history course tells you about the religion of participants in a religious conflict -- if you're reading about French history, you will be told the beliefs of the French Huguenots (Protestants) and the nation they rebelled against (Catholic France).
Such an introduction would not be an attempt to convert the reader to either Huguenotism or Catholicism. But Geller insists this is so when someone mentions the main beliefs of Islam.
In case you think what she quoted actually could read as religious instruction, rather than a factual statement about what Muslims believe -- well, that's because she doctored the quote. She cut out the beginning, in which it made it clear it was simply explaining what millions of Muslims believed.
Here is the actual quote, which she did not indicate had been altered to suit her purposes:
For millions of Muslims around the world, the Prophet Muhammad has become the paradigm, or role model, who is worthy of being emulated. As GodÂ’s chosen prophet and messenger, he best embodied how to live a life in accordance with GodÂ’s will. In this sense, he and the prophets before him, including Abraham, Moses, Joseph, Jacob and Jesus, are perceived as exemplary muslims,
If this material is so transparently Fifth Columnist, why does Ms. Geller need to doctor quotes to discover "dahwahs"? Shouldn't the dahwahs be present in the material without her helpful modifications?
2. Now, one "troubling" association doesn't make a trend. For that, you need at least two -- rule of hack writers, two incidents make a trend, and thus a column.
She finds her second example in... Grover Norquist.
Grover Norquist is head of the Americans for Tax Reform -- when you hear about candidates signing a pledge to not raise taxes, that is Grover Norquist's ATR pledge they mean.
Norquist is a fixture in DC and a major player that everyone in the GOP meets with. Now, he is pro-Muslim (though not Muslim himself) and wants the GOP to play for Muslim votes; he was also appointed by President Bush as head of his Muslim outreach efforts, after 9/11.
You can say that that makes you uncomfortable or whatever, but you can't claim that he is Perry's "troubling" friend just because they gave a speech at the same place. He is a guy who everyone meets with in DC. Securing Norquist's blessing as Kosher on Taxes is a ritual every presidential candidate on the right goes through. He is constantly holding political events with big-name Republican speakers.
Now, who are the other "dhimmis" who associate with Norquist? Why, it's a Who's Who of the Tea Party and 2012 presidential field.
“I talk with [Mitt] Romney directly,” Norquist said. He mentioned that Rep. Michele Bachmann (Minn.) will be attending his Wednesday meeting this week and that Gingrich recently sent him an unsolicited statement strongly opposing backing down in the debt talks. For Norquist, any other position would be unacceptable.
Dhimmis? Well how about some more dhimmis?
...Earlier this year, Norquist spoke at the Faith and Freedom Coalition Conference, along with Michele Bachmann, Allen West, Thad McCotter, Tim Pawlenty, Mitt Romney, Marco Rubio, Herman Cain, Paul Ryan, and Newt Gingrich.
That's a lot of dhimmis. Ah well, we still have Sarah Palin. She would never go dhimmi and join the dhimmi-promoter Grover Norquist, surely.
Sarah Palin shakes the hand of
dhimmi recruitment officer Grover Norquist
at a 2010 low-tax rally sponsored by Norquist's ATR
Damn! Her too! The jihadis got them all!
Well, not all of them. Only one brave True Conservative rejected the jihadi enabler Grover Norquist and said, "I shall not associate myself with you and your terrorist-sympathizing ways!"
Only one man bravely shunted these jihadist blandishments aside. Only one man stood true and firm in the face of terrorist aggression.
I know what you're thinking: Ron Paul. But alas, Ron Paul is a dhimmi too; here is a video of Ron Paul being introduced by the dhimmi-commandant Grover Norquist, at Grover Norquist's Quisling Rally.
No, only one candidate has told the Jihadi-in-Brooks-Brothers Grover Norquist to go hang.
That man, my friends-- that shining exemplar of true-blue Conviction Conservatism -- is the Only Man Who Can Save America, former Obama Ambassador to China Jon Huntsman.
Jon Huntsman Says 'No' to Grover Norquist Pledge While Pawlenty Says 'Maybe'
There you go, friends. There is your Proven Non-Dhimmi Candidate, who I'm sure Ms. Geller will be endorsing momentarily.
3. They also claim that the man who contacted Perry about setting these seminars up, the Aga Khan, is now "troubling." Robert Spencer now (as in, this week) now pronounces the Aga Khan a representative for "stealthy jihad."
But Aga Khan hasn't been accused of bad behavior by anyone, except Pam Geller, and now Robert Spencer. And he was only accused last week.
The evidence against him is ludicrously weak: A Pakistan bank had been accused of having an Al Qaeda account. Nothing ever came of this accusation; the lawsuit (pressed by the widow of Daniel Pearl), was dropped, with no settlement.
Years later, Pakistan sold the bank to raise money, and it was purchased by Aga Khan as a money-making investment. In case you think the Aga Khan intended to front for world terrorism -- no, he had the bank sign a contract with the US Federal Reserve, which would patrol it for money laundering or any other sort of sketchy behavior.
If the Aga Khan was a terrorist buying a terrorist bank, why did he then put that bank under monitoring by the US Federal Reserve? Seems... dangerous, no?
Not only is this evidence ludicrously weak, but it comes extremely late anyway. Like, this past week. How can Pam Geller's guilt-by-the-thinnest-of-association evidence be chargeable to Rick Perry? Geller made these devastating findings (that a law-abiding man bought a bank, and put it under US Federal Reserve monitoring, to make sure it was law-abiding) this past week; how could Rick Perry have even known about these "allegations"?
Robert Spencer, as I said, now seems pretty sure that the Aga Khan is up to no damn good. But if Rick Perry had any doubts about the Aga Khan's status as a true moderate Muslim and a progressive good guy, he would have been reassured by... Robert Spencer, who vouched for him in 2010.
Furnish: I find myself in the curious (and somewhat uncomfortable) position of disagreeing with my friend Robert Spencer, for whom I have the utmost respect and with whom I almost always totally agree.
However, on this issue of whether moderate Islam exists, I think Robert may be missing something....[prefatory statement about the threat of Wahabism and Sulfism omitted]
However, perhaps because Robert is so well-versed in the theology of Islam, as opposed to the historical record of how that religious theory has been acted out on the stage of history, he seems to overlook the key fact on the ground that certain minorities within Islam have developed a non-literalist, even allegorical, approach to reading the QurÂ’an. Foremost among these moderates are the Isma`ilis, the Sevener Shi`is, whose global head is the philanthropical Aga Khan. IsmaÂ’ilis may number only in the tens of millions (out of the total Muslim community of some 1.3 billion, second only to ChristianityÂ’s 2+ billion), but they do exist and they define, for example, jihad not as killing or conquering unbelievers, but as economic development and charity work.
[Further discussion of some other moderate Muslim sects.]
Robert Spencer: In all this my friend Timothy Furnish, whose work I admire, is entirely correct.
So there you go: As late as 2010, Robert Spencer, whose specialty and expertise is in identifying threatening Muslim extremists, expressly states the Aga Khan and his whole sect are actually truly moderate Muslims.
Of course, this was before Pam Geller blew the lid off the conspiracy with her dynamite discoveries.
Now asked why Perry should be condemned for believing Aga Khan to be a moderate in 2009, whereas Robert Spencer thought he was a moderate a year later in 2010, Spencer just says that since Perry was "partnering" with him (that is, doing two brief seminars in Texas), Perry should have "vetted" him.
Did Spencer feel the need to "vet" the Aga Khan before misleading the world by pronouncing upon his peaceableness and moderation?
And if Perry had vetted Khan, what would he have found? Why, that whole not-suspicious-at-all bank purchasing affair.
And then what? What do you do when you've successfully put together the pieces of the Routinely Purchased Bank Mystery?
I guess you denounce him or something.
But Robert Spencer wants to denounce Perry for not knowing the details of the Lawfully Purchased US Fed-Monitored Bank Affair; he is much more modest about denouncing himself for his own lack of suspicion and research.
I mean, that's Rick Perry's job. It's not Robert Spencer's job to watch the jihad or anything.
BTW, sidenote, Robert Spencer can be read at his website, JihadWatch.com.
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Posted by: phoenixgirl at August 28, 2011 10:33 AM (eOXTH)
Posted by: CoolCzech at August 28, 2011 10:34 AM (niZvt)
Posted by: CoolCzech at August 28, 2011 10:35 AM (niZvt)
Perhaps they're like sorority girls in that living together in an online house they're now on the same cycle.
Take some Midol, ladies.
Posted by: lu at August 28, 2011 10:35 AM (Angta)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at August 28, 2011 10:36 AM (eOXTH)
She's the kid covered in his own doody shouting, just for the attention.
Posted by: Darin H at August 28, 2011 10:37 AM (3kW1y)
Posted by: CoolCzech at August 28, 2011 10:38 AM (niZvt)
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Posted by: Mr. Pink at August 28, 2011 10:38 AM (3VioZ)
Posted by: chazmartel at August 28, 2011 10:39 AM (OV2xF)
Us on the AOSHQ FB group shredded this bullshit, you didn't have to go into detail boss, and unlike you, not all of us are nice people.
Posted by: Douglas at August 28, 2011 10:39 AM (YKOnu)
Posted by: Obama, Calmer Of The Seas at August 28, 2011 10:39 AM (Hu/Da)
Am I going nuts or is this a repeat of an earlier post?
I'm hoping the answer is yes and yes, instead of yes and no.
Posted by: jwb7605 at August 28, 2011 10:40 AM (Qxe/p)
Posted by: Maximillian Robespierre at August 28, 2011 10:40 AM (dbYHP)
Many people in 1930's Germany ignored the Nazi's for the same reason. The point isn't to try to win over nutjobs, but to destroy their cred and thus their ability to persuade non-nutjobs.
Posted by: Jason at August 28, 2011 10:41 AM (EYwgu)
Posted by: Chuck Schumer at August 28, 2011 10:41 AM (SyLEU)
Posted by: lu at August 28, 2011 10:41 AM (Angta)
Posted by: Pamela Geller at August 28, 2011 10:42 AM (niZvt)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 28, 2011 10:44 AM (UTq/I)
Posted by: CoolCzech at August 28, 2011 10:44 AM (niZvt)
I just forgot to check to see if I any words out.
Case in point here: the first word.
Posted by: jwb7605 at August 28, 2011 10:45 AM (Qxe/p)
Posted by: Kasper Hauser at August 28, 2011 10:46 AM (1CXpM)
Okay, it was a long piece last night and this one is long too, and both are really good work. What does Perry have to say about any of this? Does he admit to being sympathetic to the religion of where the oil is or not? You left out the parts today, the good parts, about what to do and when, about these world dominators plans. We will have to dematerialize these zealots one day, and I think better sooner while we have the advantage, rather than later after the power centers of the world have shifted even more and our will to just get along overwhelms our common sense.
Posted by: Errol at August 28, 2011 10:46 AM (d2AYO)
This blog is so slutty and gutterous.... frat boyish and the like...
Posted by: Yip in Texas at August 28, 2011 10:47 AM (SyLEU)
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Posted by: Pam Geller's juggs.... at August 28, 2011 10:48 AM (1CXpM)
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Hmmm... actually looks like someone I work with...
Posted by: CoolCzech at August 28, 2011 10:49 AM (niZvt)
There's a non-practicing American Muslim who has never read the Koran behind that rock!
HE WANTS TO KILL ALL OF US, and may run for political office!
ELEVENTY!!!!
Posted by: watching jihad at August 28, 2011 10:50 AM (z63Tr)
Posted by: cranky-d at August 28, 2011 10:51 AM (nRliU)
Posted by: jewells45, tea party terrorist at August 28, 2011 10:51 AM (Z71Vg)
She reminds me of that cat lady - ya'know the one that holds the record for plastic surgery or something like that.
Okay so I don't even need to rip on her looks* to know she's batshit insane and a complete and total shameless attention whore.
She's well over 50 and she looks like she shops at Forever 21. Honey, please, just stop.
*put down the spray tan, tweezers, and eyeliner
Posted by: lu at August 28, 2011 10:51 AM (Angta)
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2011 10:53 AM (nj1bB)
Do any of you actually READ them??
Last night, no. It was too late and to hurricaney to get that serious. This post? Yes. I read it.
The way I read it is that he is less interested in a blog war than in correcting another blogger's unsubstantiated (even untruthful) claims.
I can't even remember what it was, but I linked to some crazy ass story over at Gellar's about a month ago, on one of the ONTs. It looked then like she might be becoming the Charles Johnson of the Right.
With Ron Paul floating around, frankly, we're all filled up with crazy.
Posted by: Beanie Babies Investor at August 28, 2011 10:53 AM (piMMO)
It is basically a news aggregate site with minimal original content. Sort of like Drudge Report.
While here, at the HQ, there is lots of original content and discussion.
So although Spencer etc. might indeed dismiss this site as "sophomoric," I feel pretty confident in saying that Ace does more actual writing in one movie review than Spencer and his entire crew do in a month or more.
Posted by: shibumi at August 28, 2011 10:53 AM (z63Tr)
Posted by: blaster at August 28, 2011 02:50 PM (Fw2Gg)
What do you mean, now?
Posted by: CoolCzech at August 28, 2011 10:53 AM (niZvt)
Posted by: Yip in Texas at August 28, 2011 10:54 AM (SyLEU)
Posted by: Dave S. at August 28, 2011 10:54 AM (UvR6d)
Discuss.
Only one is fake.
The other is simply misleading.
Posted by: jwb7605 at August 28, 2011 10:54 AM (Qxe/p)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 28, 2011 10:55 AM (UOM48)
Until I get bored and go to comments, yes. About 3-4 paragraphs on average.
Posted by: Deathknyte at August 28, 2011 10:55 AM (VwUPm)
Until I get bored and go to comments, yes. About 3-4 paragraphs on average.
Posted by: Deathknyte at August 28, 2011 02:55 PM (VwUPm) .
Yup, me too!
Posted by: CoolCzech at August 28, 2011 10:56 AM (niZvt)
Posted by: Pam Geller's juggs.... at August 28, 2011 10:57 AM (1CXpM)
Ace, you're going to have to make this type of post much shorter, if you plan on making it all the way to the primaries. Defending Perry, if he stays on top, is going to be a 24/7 job. Any candidate that is a threat to Obama/the left, establishment Repubs, and anyone else that wants their own candidate on top, is in for a brutal campaign season. This is mild compared to what's probably coming. Are you going to have blog wars with everyone that doesn't want Perry as the nominee?
Hope you're stocked up on Val-u-rite, cigs, and some type of amphetamine.
Posted by: Steph at August 28, 2011 10:57 AM (Qz3vR)
Posted by: Rex Harrison's Hat at August 28, 2011 10:57 AM (S29ZL)
Posted by: sTevo at August 28, 2011 10:57 AM (VMcEw)
Posted by: Mike.Gallagher at August 28, 2011 10:57 AM (hyP1j)
do these stupid bloggers actually think 2 minutes before busting the chops of someone? do they even have any facts?
1st: Rick Perry grew up poor in Texas. real poor. real Texas. He aint a Muslim. Nor is he a Muslim-lover.
2d: UT & Harvard are hotbeds of liberalism. If this jerky blogger wants to blame someone for anti-Americanism or whatever, start with these 2 institutions.
Posted by: kelley in virginia at August 28, 2011 10:58 AM (/Sgtl)
Do any of you actually READ them??
Posted by: CoolCzech at August 28, 2011 02:44 PM (niZvt)
I read the original version... last night... before bed... I need help!!!
Posted by: Shannow at August 28, 2011 10:59 AM (hosB8)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 28, 2011 10:59 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 28, 2011 10:59 AM (UTq/I)
God love ya Ace, but you are one wordy motherfucker.
My hands hurt just reading you sometimes.
Posted by: Clubber Lang at August 28, 2011 11:00 AM (QcFbt)
Spencer, if you happen to read this -- AoSHQ is no hotbed of dhimmitude; in fact, I'd venture to say in general there is an awfully large amount of Muslim distrust here. That might even be putting it mildly.
Not really OT is a National Review article out today by Andrew McCarthy. Here's a starter blurb:
Do you remember the jihadist terror campaign that ravaged Malmo, SwedenÂ’s third largest city? Do you recall the bombings, the suicide-hijackings, and the random assassinations that finally coerced the city to surrender to Islamization?
No? Funny, I don’t remember them either. Yet there is no question that Malmo has surrendered. Large enclaves of the city, like similar enclaves throughout Western Europe, have earned the dread label “no-go zone.”........
I suggest everyone read it to see just how relevant it is.
Posted by: GnuBreed at August 28, 2011 11:00 AM (ENKCw)
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2011 11:00 AM (nj1bB)
If you fake quotes, like Pam did, then you lose, you should apologize, and you should shut up. If you thought your point was strong, you wouldn't have to fake quotes. If you looked at the quote, and then thought to yourself, "This quote isn't as outrageous as I need it to be...what if I left out these words?" then you are insulting your readers' intelligence, debasing the exchange of ideas, and you are lying.
Come on, Ace, don't sweat the one-issue fringers. People like Geller and Spencer won't be happy with a candidate unless the first plank on his (her) platform involves gas showers and exciting new brown lampshade materials. Whether it's from righteous pro-Israel/anti-Islamist fervor, pro-Palin hysteria, or blog-business shrewdness, it ends up with an unelectable candidate and four more Obama years.
Posted by: Sterling Archer at August 28, 2011 02:53 PM (1H47k)
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Posted by: Dave S. at August 28, 2011 11:01 AM (UvR6d)
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Posted by: Texan Economist at August 28, 2011 11:01 AM (TC/9F)
I, uh, you see... am a... uh... stuttering clusterfuck... as I've said many times before, uh... of a... miserable... failure.
Posted by: Barak Obama at August 28, 2011 11:01 AM (niZvt)
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Posted by: ace at August 28, 2011 11:03 AM (nj1bB)
I cut copied and pasted this from the original post.
I maybe got them a bit out of order, but that's not what's important.
Ace actually wrote those words.
So reading the whole post is pointless!
Posted by: jwb7605 at August 28, 2011 11:03 AM (Qxe/p)
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2011 11:03 AM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Genetic Tunder at August 28, 2011 11:04 AM (dbYHP)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at August 28, 2011 11:04 AM (oxYYm)
ace, listen, since you call us morons and moronettes, take a mirror and look at you, you are the moron, geller is doing a great job, and norquist is making people sign a tax pledge while he is getting close to muslims? what a joke, why this guy is taken seriously is a surprise to me.
anyway, anybody asking others for 'purity' when they engage in a relationship with potential or real enemies, cannot be taken seriously, frank gaffney and others already unmasked this guy norquist, our republic will prevail.
if you want to be fair stick to the facts, not emotions, as you are doing lately.
Posted by: kilroy at August 28, 2011 11:04 AM (mJbik)
Two peas in a pod. Faking the message to make money.
They are no better than the Obama's and their supporters.
Posted by: Dick Nixon at August 28, 2011 11:05 AM (KM0sz)
Posted by: Gen. George Pickett, Conservative Firing Squad at August 28, 2011 11:05 AM (0W3xT)
Posted by: izoneguy at August 28, 2011 03:00 PM (i6Neb)
Go ask charlie johnson to lift his shirt for you.
Posted by: Deathknyte at August 28, 2011 11:05 AM (VwUPm)
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2011 03:03 PM (nj1bB)
THREADWINNER!!!
Posted by: CoolCzech at August 28, 2011 11:06 AM (niZvt)
I love the Hat Tip at the end. You are an artist Ace.
I would consider it an honor to have my refuse violated by you.
Posted by: garrett at August 28, 2011 11:07 AM (5jjsQ)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at August 28, 2011 11:07 AM (oxYYm)
I swear it's good.
I swear!
This time I made it short and punchy!
I swear. I put my store of Will Folk's sacred honor on this.
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2011 03:00 PM (nj1bB)
Fine... I will go back and try to read it.
Happy?
Posted by: Deathknyte at August 28, 2011 11:07 AM (VwUPm)
Posted by: SurferDoc at August 28, 2011 11:08 AM (STdkO)
Posted by: Y-not at August 28, 2011 11:08 AM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Dr. Varno at August 28, 2011 11:08 AM (LMPgk)
It's good. Same stuff as last night but tighter.
Have you slept since yesterday?
Posted by: toby928™ at August 28, 2011 11:08 AM (GTbGH)
Read the post, fuckstick. It's pure facts, unlike Geller's deranged hysteria.
Posted by: Waterhouse at August 28, 2011 11:09 AM (JTbsR)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at August 28, 2011 11:09 AM (oxYYm)
I read the long post last night and this shorter (supposedly) post. Could have said it in two short sentences:
Geller has a burr up her ass!
Spencer is yelling: me too
Posted by: Ma Bell at August 28, 2011 11:09 AM (H/MnC)
Sarah Palin shakes the hand of
dhimmi recruitment officer Grover Norquist
at a 2010 low-tax rally sponsored by Norquist's ATR
Damn! Her too! The jihadis got them all!
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 28, 2011 11:10 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: Vercingetorix at August 28, 2011 11:10 AM (N8eC4)
He's undermined his own credibility big time with this mess. Sad.
Posted by: Lauren at August 28, 2011 11:11 AM (ghJ2e)
I love this site because it's a juvenile, leering fratboy blog that never appealed to chardonnay-sipping dunderfucks like Robert Spencer.
Posted by: Hey.Wheres.Barry at August 28, 2011 11:11 AM (hyP1j)
No, it won't.
As @RickPerrryFacts said the other day, Rick Perry cuts his razor shaving.
Posted by: lu at August 28, 2011 11:11 AM (Angta)
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Posted by: ace at August 28, 2011 11:15 AM (nj1bB)
Good job, all kidding aside.
Posted by: CoolCzech at August 28, 2011 11:15 AM (niZvt)
O/T kind of
the provisional govt of Libya said that there is no way in hell that they will turn over the Pan Am bomber as Senator chuckie Shumer had requested.
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at August 28, 2011 11:15 AM (0OJd9)
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2011 11:15 AM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Beanie Babies Investor at August 28, 2011 11:16 AM (piMMO)
I do watch porn.
...and on special occassions, you even <strike>post</strike> make some of my own!
Posted by: garrett at August 28, 2011 03:09 PM (5jjsQ)
FTFY!
Posted by: CoolCzech at August 28, 2011 11:16 AM (niZvt)
Posted by: Tom In Korea at August 28, 2011 11:16 AM (9UGcL)
HUNTSMAN??
I knew it all along!
Posted by: jwb7605 at August 28, 2011 11:17 AM (Qxe/p)
Emphasis mine.
What a douche.
Posted by: Beanie Babies Investor at August 28, 2011 11:17 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: x11b1p at August 28, 2011 11:18 AM (nVLlM)
And we all appreciate it. Thank you!
By the way, where's that Conan review? Or your long-awaited Captain America review?
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at August 28, 2011 11:18 AM (uH/cQ)
I can verify from personal experience that 5-10 years ago PBR and pinot noir drinking were reliable signs of left-wing rich-bitch prickness. That might have changed. Maybe going vegan or gluten-free is now. Trader Joe's shopping? Not sure. And Apple products everywhere used to a more reliable left-wing prick indicator before Apple took over the planet.
Posted by: Clubber Lang at August 28, 2011 11:18 AM (QcFbt)
Posted by: JihadWatch Numbnut at August 28, 2011 11:18 AM (S29ZL)
Posted by: Beanie Babies Investor at August 28, 2011 03:16 PM (piMMO)
Why? Impending DOOM?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 28, 2011 11:18 AM (UOM48)
Your welcome, but I am still not reading your movie reviews beyond the "Did it suck" part.
Unless it sounds interesting.
Posted by: Deathknyte at August 28, 2011 11:18 AM (VwUPm)
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2011 11:19 AM (nj1bB)
All of his viewers?
That's dangerous, in an "all eggs in one basket" sense.
Posted by: jwb7605 at August 28, 2011 11:19 AM (Qxe/p)
This is most damning. A major ouchy, I think.
Posted by: toby928™ at August 28, 2011 11:19 AM (GTbGH)
Posted by: robtr CGE Liberation Front at August 28, 2011 11:20 AM (MtwBb)
Whenever Ace posts one of these extremely long, boringly introspective, and excruciatingly unnecessarily detailed Mea Culpa-like posts...
Do any of you actually READ them??
Posted by: CoolCzech at August 28, 2011 02:44 PM (niZvt)
Are you kidding? I love this shit. Ace does ridicule really well.
Posted by: Ace's liver at August 28, 2011 11:20 AM (1+XRG)
Posted by: x11b1p at August 28, 2011 03:18 PM (nVLlM)
You mean on the wheel.
Posted by: Deathknyte at August 28, 2011 11:20 AM (VwUPm)
______
I like how they quote Urban Dictionary about SCOAMF:
The post then called the president a "SCOAMF," which, according to the Urban Dictionary, stands for "stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure,"...
Posted by: Anachronda at August 28, 2011 11:20 AM (6fER6)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at August 28, 2011 11:21 AM (oxYYm)
They just showed photos of it being topped. Apparently some 26 people seem to think they are trapped in a hotel nearby.
My guess is that there about 8 morons and 14 hookers in that hotel.
Posted by: Beanie Babies Investor at August 28, 2011 11:21 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: AD at August 28, 2011 11:21 AM (3gyOH)
Woot!
Posted by: that guy that doesn't read all the comments at August 28, 2011 11:21 AM (GTbGH)
I only wish I was a hot lesbian...
unfortunately, I'm an ugly one.
Posted by: garrett at August 28, 2011 03:19 PM (5jjsQ)
Don't take it so hard: to a straight guy, a lesbian's relative hawtness depends on what her tongue is lodged in.
Posted by: CoolCzech at August 28, 2011 11:21 AM (niZvt)
Posted by: LC LaWedgie at August 28, 2011 11:22 AM (PcoXF)
If you read my post, I will suck your dick.
That would leave out about half your audience, Ace. you're going to have to do better than that.
Posted by: Beanie Babies Investor at August 28, 2011 11:22 AM (piMMO)
If you read my post, I will suck your dick.
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2011 03:19 PM (nj1bB)
And this helps the moronettes how?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 28, 2011 11:22 AM (UOM48)
Have they gotten to Jimmy McMillan and Jonathan Sharkey?
Posted by: Dr Spank at August 28, 2011 11:22 AM (1fB+3)
Posted by: jaimo at August 28, 2011 11:22 AM (8Mnyu)
If you read my post, I will suck your dick.
Behold the mind-altering power of Red Bull.
Posted by: toby928™ at August 28, 2011 03:20 PM (GTbGH)
Or a low carb diet, as we discovered yesterday.
Posted by: Ace's liver at August 28, 2011 11:22 AM (1+XRG)
They just showed photos of it being topped. Apparently some 26 people seem to think they are trapped in a hotel nearby.
My guess is that there about 8 morons and 14 hookers in that hotel.
Posted by: Beanie Babies Investor at August 28, 2011 03:21 PM (piMMO)
And being morons... they left their wallets at home.
Posted by: CoolCzech at August 28, 2011 11:23 AM (niZvt)
Posted by: TexasJew at August 28, 2011 11:23 AM (+cOEs)
If you read my post, I will suck your dick.
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2011 03:19 PM (nj1bB)
Whoa there kemosabi, your a nice Ewok and all but let's be reasonable here.
I aint Marco Rubio you know.
Posted by: Deathknyte at August 28, 2011 11:25 AM (VwUPm)
Or a low carb diet, as we discovered yesterday.
Posted by: Ace's liver at August 28, 2011 03:22 PM (1+XRG)
That explains everything!
Posted by: CoolCzech at August 28, 2011 11:25 AM (niZvt)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 28, 2011 11:25 AM (UOM48)
Perhaps you are right. "Prius-driving" doesn't have the visceral disdain I was going for. "Arugula-snorting?" "Own-Facebook-post-liking?"
Yeah, I suck. That's why I read Ace. He's pretty good at it.
Posted by: Hey.Wheres.Barry at August 28, 2011 11:25 AM (hyP1j)
Posted by: Hadji the Muslim Comic at August 28, 2011 11:26 AM (h6mPj)
Gellar and Robert Spencer claim Perry is allowing the conversion to Islam of school-children in Texas. Claims guilt by association to Aga Khan. To make her point, she edits part of the abstract. Ace nails her on the dishonest quote as well as every other of her assertions.
Posted by: Beanie Babies Investor at August 28, 2011 11:26 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: x11b1p at August 28, 2011 11:26 AM (nVLlM)
Geller makes interesting reading for a wet boring afternoon, I guess. Her style here resembles Ms Malkin on Perry. As far as the content? Hard to keep track of the convoluted argument, imho.
Not something I'll be much interested in, though.
Posted by: irongrampa at August 28, 2011 11:26 AM (ud5dN)
If you read my post, I will suck your dick.
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2011 03:19 PM (nj1bB)
That's great and all, but just what are you going to do for the 'ettes?
Posted by: Steph at August 28, 2011 11:26 AM (Qz3vR)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at August 28, 2011 11:26 AM (oxYYm)
That was Fairy Well said, Ace. Fairy well.
Tell ya what: get SE Cupp to do it, and you've got yourself a deal!
Posted by: CoolCzech at August 28, 2011 11:26 AM (niZvt)
If you read my post, I will suck your dick.
Move over, Kal.
Posted by: Barky McClusterfuck at August 28, 2011 11:27 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: jewells45, tea party terrorist at August 28, 2011 11:27 AM (Z71Vg)
What is white and shrieking and without a penis?
Pam Geller ... I keed.
Robert Spencer.
En Fuego.
Posted by: toby928™ at August 28, 2011 11:27 AM (GTbGH)
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2011 11:27 AM (nj1bB)
We want pancakes, dammit!
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at August 28, 2011 03:26 PM (oxYYm)
But I thought half of you moronettes HAVE pancakes and want implants!?
Posted by: CoolCzech at August 28, 2011 11:28 AM (niZvt)
I swear it's good.
I swear!
This time I made it short and punchy!
I swear. I put my store of Will Folk's sacred honor on this.
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2011 03:00 PM (nj1bB)
Just to make you happy, I read it even before reading the comments and seeing this 
So yeah basically a shorter version of last night, eliminating the "apology" and "what would be the solution to Islam" portions.
And Pam Geller is two steps away from taking up bikeriding, photography, and begging people to buy calendars.
Posted by: buzzion at August 28, 2011 11:28 AM (GULKT)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 28, 2011 11:28 AM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at August 28, 2011 11:29 AM (0yt4x)
Posted by: Hadji the Muslim Comic at August 28, 2011 03:26 PM (h6mPj)
Actually, no, I am not entertained.
Posted by: Deathknyte at August 28, 2011 11:30 AM (VwUPm)
And Barry Soetero Barack Hussein Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure.
*waves to Media Matters*
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 28, 2011 11:30 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: Barak Obama at August 28, 2011 11:30 AM (14jKX)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 28, 2011 11:31 AM (bxiXv)
Jewells, you must have missed Mega Independent's brilliant photoshop this morning.
Here you go, ron(ette)s.
Posted by: The Mega Independent at August 28, 2011 09:44 AM
Posted by: Beanie Babies Investor at August 28, 2011 11:31 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: garrett at August 28, 2011 11:31 AM (5jjsQ)
Is there a UPC I have to print out or something?
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at August 28, 2011 03:29 PM (0yt4x)
The nice thing about Ewoks is, their mouth is basically at crotch level. Of course, the ticks are a big downside...
Posted by: CoolCzech at August 28, 2011 11:31 AM (niZvt)
Posted by: mike at August 28, 2011 11:32 AM (8JD1f)
They said Hayworth broke up the marriage because she saw Aly Khan dancing with Joan Fontaine but I bet it was a goat.
Posted by: jeannebodine at August 28, 2011 11:32 AM (nvlAW)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at August 28, 2011 11:32 AM (vzFJV)
Posted by: Vercingetorix at August 28, 2011 11:32 AM (N8eC4)
"Perhaps the rebuttal piece is too long to read.
Let me quickly restate the facts of this nontroversy, ......."Fail.
Posted by: Dallas Mavs Fan at August 28, 2011 11:33 AM (Ek3sx)
_________
You're certainly pretty free with the "us" for someone so unclear on who calls whom what.
Posted by: Anachronda at August 28, 2011 11:33 AM (6fER6)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at August 28, 2011 11:33 AM (oxYYm)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 28, 2011 11:34 AM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at August 28, 2011 11:34 AM (vzFJV)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at August 28, 2011 03:33 PM (oxYYm)
Yeah, most of the 'ettes would be begging to drive the damn thing.
Posted by: Steph at August 28, 2011 11:35 AM (Qz3vR)
We all just need to make a mental note that she is no longer a tolerable site. Personally, I always found her too fixated with the Muslim rants.
Posted by: CoolCzech at August 28, 2011 11:35 AM (niZvt)
Posted by: Vercingetorix at August 28, 2011 11:35 AM (N8eC4)
Posted by: The Great Satan's Ghost at August 28, 2011 11:35 AM (UrPTC)
No! It cannot be! Not crazy-man, frat-boy, smart military blog, drunken hobo, Ace-man. With his detailed knowledge of epic RPG games that take 100 hrs to play. I always assumed young Ace completed every level of Baldur's Gate while simultaneously crashing Vegas bachelor parties of strangers and winning gold medals in competitive drunken orgy contests.
Most hard-core extroverts have trouble filling a twitter post. Ace could write a 5,000 word explanation of a Tweet he almost posted, but decided not to at the last moment.
If Ace was an extrovert:
"Fuck that Geller bitch! ... Oh, wow, got more space. Umm ... jeez. Fuck! 140 char is soooo looooong. Now ... it's ... full."
Posted by: Clubber Lang at August 28, 2011 11:36 AM (QcFbt)
Posted by: Winston Wolf at August 28, 2011 11:36 AM (ENKCw)
Posted by: Maltese Falcon eBooks at August 28, 2011 11:36 AM (bxiXv)
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2011 11:36 AM (nj1bB)
78 Come on, isn't anyone reading this?
Yes, yes, and yes. Last night, earlier today, and this one. Chill, Ace. We all agree with your brilliant Pammy-pants/Atlas Juggs debunking.
Posted by: Faffner the cat loves me some Rick Oerry bitches at August 28, 2011 11:37 AM (8DdAv)
A co-worker sent that to me about two weeks ago and I just sat there...staring...trying to figure out just WTF he thought he was doing.
Posted by: Beanie Babies Investor at August 28, 2011 11:37 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: Barak Obama at August 28, 2011 11:37 AM (14jKX)
And yet, apparently, she gets more traffic. If that don't prove life isn't fair, what does?
Posted by: Ace's liver at August 28, 2011 11:37 AM (1+XRG)
Posted by: LC LaWedgie at August 28, 2011 03:34 PM (PcoXF)
Is it just me or does michelle look like an ape in that picture?
Posted by: Deathknyte at August 28, 2011 11:37 AM (VwUPm)
Posted by: LC LaWedgie at August 28, 2011 03:34 PM (PcoXF)
That pic just screams "Do NOT piss off Michelle!"
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 28, 2011 11:38 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: Gam Peller at August 28, 2011 11:39 AM (czcue)
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2011 03:36 PM (nj1bB)
You Papa Khan and Baby Khan? Is there a Leper Khan at the end of that rainbow??
Posted by: CoolCzech at August 28, 2011 11:39 AM (niZvt)
Posted by: Beanie Babies Investor at August 28, 2011 03:37 PM (piMMO)
Obviously a trial run for Hurricane Katirene.
Posted by: LC LaWedgie at August 28, 2011 11:39 AM (PcoXF)
Posted by: blogforce one at August 28, 2011 11:39 AM (lICB9)
If Jerry Falwell went to Saudi Arabia and handed out literature about Jesus asking that it be taught in grade-school, what would be the conclusion?
Are the Aga Khans motives purely secular? He drinks champagne and races horses. It must be secular, right? Right?
Posted by: Cornfused Yet Again at August 28, 2011 11:39 AM (AyzfE)
Posted by: LC LaWedgie at August 28, 2011 03:34 PM (PcoXF)
Is it just me or does michelle look like an ape in that picture?
Posted by: Deathknyte at August 28, 2011 03:37 PM (VwUPm)
Hah. To me it looks like she's just tried to jump up to grab the umbrella and he pulled it away and laughed "psyche!"
Posted by: Ace's liver at August 28, 2011 11:39 AM (1+XRG)
Posted by: Dr Spank at August 28, 2011 11:40 AM (1fB+3)
Where's Kratos? It's time to unleash the kraken.
Posted by: Beanie Babies Investor at August 28, 2011 11:40 AM (piMMO)
ROFL
Posted by: Deathknyte at August 28, 2011 11:41 AM (VwUPm)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 28, 2011 03:31 PM (bxiXv)
Call them Juggalos. Afterall, clearly they're following a member of the Insane Clown Posse. And it will piss them off that it refers to her tits.
Posted by: buzzion at August 28, 2011 11:41 AM (GULKT)
Titsburgh!
Posted by: Yip in Texas at August 28, 2011 11:41 AM (SyLEU)
Posted by: BumperStickerist at August 28, 2011 11:42 AM (h6mPj)
Rep. Peter King plans to begin hearings on March 10 to investigate the “radicalization of the American Muslim community,” allegedly with the aim of shining a light on the supposed failure of America’s Muslim communities to cooperate with law enforcement officials investigating terrorist plots. His star witness is Dr. M. Zuhdi Jasser, a physician and former U.S. Navy medical officer.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 28, 2011 11:42 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2011 11:44 AM (nj1bB)
Posted by: JackStraw at August 28, 2011 11:44 AM (TMB3S)
Hah. To me it looks like she's just tried to jump up to grab the umbrella and he pulled it away and laughed "psyche!"
Posted by: Ace's liver at August 28, 2011 03:39 PM (1+XRG)
Maybe, but can she actually produce enough force to get that butt off the ground?
Posted by: Deathknyte at August 28, 2011 11:44 AM (VwUPm)
Posted by: Genetic Tunder at August 28, 2011 11:44 AM (dbYHP)
Posted by: Dr Spank at August 28, 2011 11:44 AM (1fB+3)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 28, 2011 11:45 AM (bxiXv)
Posted by: blogforce one at August 28, 2011 11:45 AM (lICB9)
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2011 11:46 AM (nj1bB)
The course didn't promote Islam, just taught its history. No biggie.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 28, 2011 11:46 AM (UOM48)
Ace, thanks VERY MUCH for explaining this alleged Perry "dhimmi" matter so well for us....even if it took several posts to get all the relevant information out.
If you hadn't done such a thorough job of explaining, even I myself might even have possibly become suspicious about Perry - especially if I had read something out there in the blogosphere that linked to Gellar's comments or theAtlas Shrugs blog.
I don't know right now for whom I will vote for in the Primary but Perry is looking pretty darn good as a Reaganesque candidate -- unless he stumbles too badly in the debates or something. I won't mind either one (Perry or Romney) .. but I must say that Perry looks like the most exciting candidate right now...on the other hand, even if Romney pulls off the win, i think his chances of defeating Obama are excellent.
Too bad Gellar got so upset about all of this ginned up "dhimmi" stuff. I don't understand why, unless she has a particular candidate she is favoring for some reason and possibly wants to discredit Perry early?
I don't think any of this will stick on Perry...especially due to your quick and thorough response....
I think primary voters will choose the candidate they think can most thoroughly defeat Obama. And right now, I think Perry looks much bolder and he probably has the momentum, but even if Romney wins, I think Romney will give Obama a VERY hard time.
So I shan't mind either way...
And about Pemala Gellar's issues with you....who knows what's up with her...having a bad week? -- but thanks for clarifying "what really went down" in your encounters with her... makes all the difference when words are taken out of context. I'm not a Gellar devotee - hardly ever read her blog unless linked to by a 3rd party -- but her heart in general has always seemed to be in the right place, so it is disappointing that she is making such a big deal about all of this.
Maybe y'all can kiss and make up before November 2012? (Figuratively, of course). We all need to be on the same team by then and not waste energy on stuff like this down the road. So I wish she would back off of Perry.
Posted by: Juliet16 at August 28, 2011 11:46 AM (8YNSa)
ix-nay on the Ichelle-May uff-Stay.
ace has some guidelines re: comparisons and observations vis-a-vis Michelle. Posted by: BumperStickerist at August 28, 2011 03:42 PM (h6mPj)
Ohh, bit late there. Must have been in a post I didn't read.
Posted by: Deathknyte at August 28, 2011 11:46 AM (VwUPm)
Meh. That's something women always hear from introverts when they first meet.
Posted by: Ace's liver at August 28, 2011 11:46 AM (1+XRG)
Posted by: CoolCzech at August 28, 2011 11:47 AM (niZvt)
Posted by: CoolCzech at August 28, 2011 11:47 AM (niZvt)
In 2002, the Aga Khan, apparently a moderate Muslim, met with Perry to discuss setting up a seminar for teachers -- who were already teaching about Islam in World History class -- to learn more about Islam.
Didn't we learn everything we need to know about Islam on 9/11?
Posted by: SFC MAC at August 28, 2011 11:48 AM (/qSCt)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at August 28, 2011 11:49 AM (oxYYm)
Meh. That's something women always hear from introverts when they first meet.
Posted by: Ace's liver at August 28, 2011 03:46 PM (1+XRG)
Well... sometimes I'm drooling too much spittle down their cleavage to be heard clearly. But I do get your point, though.
Posted by: CoolCzech at August 28, 2011 11:49 AM (niZvt)
The best teachers I've had about Communism came from those who grew up in the system.
The best teachers I've had about Islam came from those who grew up in the system.
Obviously, I'm a Communist Muslim.
Posted by: jwb7605 at August 28, 2011 11:49 AM (Qxe/p)
Posted by: Peaches at August 28, 2011 11:50 AM (hKbUC)
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2011 11:50 AM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at August 28, 2011 03:34 PM (vzFJV)
You're sitting in an old car outside her blog clinking beer bottles together saying, "Pam-i-la... come out to play! Pam-i-la... come out to plaaaay!" Aren't you?
Posted by: Warthog at August 28, 2011 11:50 AM (syTu6)
Posted by: tasker at August 28, 2011 11:50 AM (14jKX)
Meh, I think some of the hottest women in the world are in the IDF.
Posted by: Deathknyte at August 28, 2011 11:51 AM (VwUPm)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 28, 2011 11:51 AM (bxiXv)
"This was not some new course. It was to give teachers a briefing from college professors so when they taught that section (as they always had), they would just have a four day college seminar on Islam as a background."
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Oh, well that's OK then, cause we all know how fair-minded and unbiased them college professors are.
Posted by: Aunt Jemima at August 28, 2011 11:51 AM (mQMnK)
Posted by: tasker at August 28, 2011 11:51 AM (14jKX)
Posted by: Peaches at August 28, 2011 03:50 PM (hKbUC)
Hi, Peaches... sorry about the drool...
Posted by: CoolCzech at August 28, 2011 11:51 AM (niZvt)
Posted by: toby928™ at August 28, 2011 11:51 AM (GTbGH)
Posted by: blogforce one at August 28, 2011 03:45 PM (lICB9)
Dude, are you mental?
Posted by: buzzion at August 28, 2011 11:53 AM (GULKT)
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2011 11:53 AM (nj1bB)
Posted by: toby928™ at August 28, 2011 03:51 PM (GTbGH)
So you basically saying... nuke them!
Posted by: CoolCzech at August 28, 2011 11:53 AM (niZvt)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at August 28, 2011 11:53 AM (l9zgN)
I kinda wanna be a dick on Facebook about Obama -- a la, "Hey, I haven't cleared away all the debris from Hurricane Irene yet, but has anybody else noticed Obama is a (PG variant of SCOAMF)." I'm looking for half-jokey dick things to say about Obama.
This is probably a bad idea that will only alienate friends and family. But I'm feeling dick-ish today.
Posted by: Clubber Lang at August 28, 2011 11:54 AM (QcFbt)
Posted by: toby928™ at August 28, 2011 03:51 PM (GTbGH)
Maybe so, but we're actually going in the other direction, as the people of Egypt are quite a bit more hard-core Islamic than Mubarak was.
Posted by: Ace's liver at August 28, 2011 11:54 AM (1+XRG)
Hi, Peaches... sorry about the drool...
Posted by: CoolCzech at August 28, 2011 03:51 PM (niZvt)
Are you kidding, CoolCzech? I love drool. Just watch the farting, eh? (we know it's you)
Posted by: Peaches at August 28, 2011 11:55 AM (hKbUC)
Posted by: Robert Spencer at August 28, 2011 11:56 AM (1fB+3)
WE WILL REDISTRIBUTE YOUR WEALTH AND THEN BLOW YOU UP
ALLAHU ACKBAR, COMRADE
Posted by: Boris Muhammad, Communist Muslim at August 28, 2011 11:56 AM (czcue)
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2011 11:56 AM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 28, 2011 11:56 AM (bxiXv)
But they're poor. Expansionist Islam is much less threatening when it's poverty stricken expansionist Islam.
Posted by: toby928™ at August 28, 2011 11:56 AM (GTbGH)
But it's annoying that I don't remember the basic tenets of <i>Christianity</i> taught in school. Even an atheist kid ought to at least understand the fundamentals of the very foundation of his civilization.
You know you probably don't remember what you were taught about it in school because you were already familiar with it outside of school. Like I have some memory of what I learned about Islam, Hinduism, and Buddhism in 6th grade but I really don't remember anything about what I learned about Christianity then. And it was covered right along with the other ones. But I've been so exposed to it before and after that its really not going to end up being associated with the same point in time like the other 3 are.
Posted by: buzzion at August 28, 2011 11:57 AM (GULKT)
Posted by: Inspector Asshole at August 28, 2011 11:57 AM (mhkSx)
"Muslims believe" in the stealth Islamic curriculum is kind of like "unamed sources say" for the Leftist attack dog media. When the Journolister repeats the "unamed sources" canard, it's his way of making an assertion he has no proof of in the service of pushing his agenda on the reader. As with Chris Wallace on Michelle Bachmann- "unamed sources say that you're a flake." Similarly, stealth Islamists create these lessons in which the beliefs of muslims are pushed upon the student and the phrase "muslims believe" is used as an easy out to say their not indoctrinating but just teaching.
In the end it doesn't matter. What the young student hears over and over is muslim beliefs and stories of the Propet Mohammed(notice in the writings, it's always capital P). If you're a normal sixth grade student, you're a member of some denomination of the Christian faith, but you probably don't go to Sunday school, and probably don't do much reading on religion by yourself. The one religion you do hear about is Islam, their beliefs and lots of cool stories about the Prophet Mohammed PBUH, who "muslims believe" is a really great guy.
This is classic stealth Jihad. You go around the front defenses and thru the back door. How can you do better than to go straight at the children of the Infidel, and plant the seed for a positive image of Islam into the minds of the young kafirs as their elders stand by smiling. That's what the Aga Khan, and myriad other Islamists are engaged in with all the Foundations and what not- the prime directive is not to make converts, but to soften up the Infidels. To plant a positive image of Islam into the minds and subconscious so the Infidel fears it less or not at all.
This is what muslims do. This is what they study at these renowned Islamic universities like Barack's own al-Azhar. The muslims study the arts of deceit and dissembling with the same zeal that Westerners study philosophy and the physical sciences. And this is what it looks like when they put theory into practice.
Posted by: november1981 at August 28, 2011 11:57 AM (+HAu2)
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2011 11:57 AM (nj1bB)
Posted by: TexasJew at August 28, 2011 11:58 AM (+cOEs)
Posted by: USMC at August 28, 2011 11:58 AM (oxYYm)
In fact, there is a statue of Mohammed as a Great Law Giver carved in the court room of the Supreme Court building:
http://tinyurl.com/42t5zho
Pamella needs to loosen her g-string a bit. It seems to be cutting off the flow of oxygenated blood to the center of her intelligence.
Posted by: CoolCzech at August 28, 2011 11:58 AM (niZvt)
I also hope this site doesn't start demanding we implement Logan's Run as a national policy. I knew a 31 year old stripper once, and she was actually kind of cool.
Posted by: idiot at August 28, 2011 11:58 AM (QcFbt)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at August 28, 2011 12:00 PM (XE2Oo)
Hi, Peaches... sorry about the drool...
Posted by: CoolCzech at August 28, 2011 03:51 PM (niZvt)
Are you kidding, CoolCzech? I love drool. Just watch the farting, eh? (we know it's you)
Posted by: Peaches at August 28, 2011 03:55 PM (hKbUC)
*darting my eyes furtively from side to side*
Posted by: CoolCzech at August 28, 2011 12:00 PM (niZvt)
Now I'm going to have to let the computer pick my team.
Posted by: Communist Muslims Anonymous at August 28, 2011 12:00 PM (piMMO)
Now, sure, they have their reasons for reaching that conclusion but this same level of hysteria would not be present if Rick Perry weren't running, weren't winning, or if we were talking 6 degrees of separation with more preferred candidates instead.
Posted by: Dave S. at August 28, 2011 12:00 PM (UvR6d)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 28, 2011 12:01 PM (bxiXv)
Be careful that it doesn't result in bunny boiling.
Posted by: Communist Muslims Anonymous at August 28, 2011 12:02 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at August 28, 2011 12:02 PM (oxYYm)
Posted by: november1981 at August 28, 2011 03:57 PM (+HAu2)
Okay, fine. Suppose I accept your premise that the curriculum is stealthily intended to promote a positive image of Islam. Fine, whatever.
What would you suggest would be an acceptable curriculum for a highschool World History class that would NOT be a stealth maneuver to promote Islam?
Posted by: chemjeff at August 28, 2011 12:02 PM (czcue)
One is a description of the opinion of the believers, the other is a statement of fact, or an attempt to convince.
For instance Since the Council of Nicene, Christianity has believed as that Jesus is the manifestation of the creator god in human form vs Jesus is the manifestation of the creator god in human form.
Posted by: toby928™ at August 28, 2011 12:02 PM (GTbGH)
Let Captain Hate write the next rebuttal. It will be shorter and ruder.
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at August 28, 2011 03:32 PM (vzFJV)
Zactly.
Posted by: Faffner the cat loves me some Rick Oerry bitches at August 28, 2011 12:03 PM (8DdAv)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at August 28, 2011 12:03 PM (eOXTH)
Ace: using your quote of Pam:
"[Quoting the abstract:] Prophet Muhammad has become the paradigm, or role model, who is worthy of being emulated. As GodÂ’s chosen prophet and messenger, he best embodied how to live a life in accordance with GodÂ’s will. In this sense, he and the prophets before him, including Abraham, Moses, Joseph, Jacob and Jesus, are perceived as exemplary muslims"
These three sentences, standing alone, as they are worded, can be interpreted as simply stating what Muslims believe. They can also be interpreted as a statement of general fact, specifically that Mo is indeed GodÂ’s chosen prophet and messenger, is worthy of being emulated, etc., etc., in which case they are prosletization.
It seems clear as to how Pam understood them. What is the context of these sentences, in the UT seminar? If the fact that they describe Muslim beliefs, and Jews and Christians believe differently, and these points are not repeated frequently enough to keep the context clear, then Pam might really have a point.
"[Gellar now, commenting:] The real question is, should our children be taught this steaming pile of propaganda? I would not want that dawah taught to my children in public school. I want a candidate who is up to snuff on this. Ahead of the curve would be ideal, but at least cognizant of it."
... and this may be the only point of Pam's that I agree with. Clearly, these Muslim beliefs are against what Jews and Christians believe, and this needs to be made clear. Continuously. I've heard enough about the Religion of Peace, and the prohibition against linking Muslims to acts of terrorism (over 16,000 Islamic acts of terrorism world-wide, since 2001), the whitewashing of Islamic history, and ... we need to get our politicians to stand up and act.
I graduated from UT, very many years ago, and since then it's become even more liberal. I wonder now if they even try. And there's a Harverd connection ... The content and context of the 4-day seminar needs to be a bit more public; if the almost exclusively militant aspect of Islamic history is not taught, or the ugly side of Islamic race theory (think the South, 1830-1960 is ugly? They were 1000 years behind) is not taught, then Pam might have yet another point.
But, yes, I think Ace is correct, and has been wronged, and Pam is ... well, she's got a nice rack, so I forgive her this time ... Spencer's words bother me, and I think he's wrong re: Ace. I recall larChes soJnnoh smearing Spencer in 2007 or so, about an anti-jihadi meeting in Europe; Spencer was there, VB was there, make the connection. Spencer mght be so used to having people make a run at him that he over-reacted, or reacted prematurely, or something. Perhaps he will clarify ...
Posted by: Arbalest at August 28, 2011 12:03 PM (1yhOI)
Posted by: Arcanic at August 28, 2011 12:04 PM (xToxJ)
I kinda wanna be a dick on Facebook about Obama -- a la, "Hey, I haven't cleared away all the debris from Hurricane Irene yet, but has anybody else noticed Obama is a (PG variant of SCOAMF)." I'm looking for half-jokey dick things to say about Obama.
This is probably a bad idea that will only alienate friends and family. But I'm feeling dick-ish today.
Posted by: Clubber Lang at August 28, 2011 03:54 PM (QcFbt)
Stuttering Clusterbomb of a Miserable Failure.
Posted by: buzzion at August 28, 2011 12:04 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: Daniel at August 28, 2011 12:04 PM (lQQvy)
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2011 12:05 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at August 28, 2011 12:06 PM (eOXTH)
You could say "Stuttering Creep" or "Stuttering Communist"
Posted by: Deathknyte at August 28, 2011 12:07 PM (VwUPm)
Posted by: Dick Nixon at August 28, 2011 12:07 PM (KM0sz)
Posted by: Inspector Asshole at August 28, 2011 12:07 PM (mhkSx)
All I can say is that my ancestors were French Huguenots and I am voting for Rick Perry if I get the opportunity in the Florida Primary and in the election of our lifetimes in November 2012. I was sent a "Florida Straw Poll" thingie from the RNC and did vote for Rick Perry, but did not send them any money so my vote may not count. It will be mailed this week.
I also vote for Ace vs this Geller chick and Robert Spencer (who I did like in the past and may even have a book of his that I may burn soon). MM also linked Geller in her recent rant against Perry. To quote the title of one of MM's books, they all seem to be unhinged and wee-wee'd up about the Texas governor. I hope one of them reads this: I will vote for him anyway.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky at August 28, 2011 12:08 PM (fNdyx)
Can't trust those Lutherans. Why I think I saw a few of them meeting with Norquist. Dhimmis, all of 'em.
Posted by: Gam Peller at August 28, 2011 12:08 PM (czcue)
No, I can definitely sense the introvert in him, in addition to humility and a propensity for good Christian modesty.
Like me, though, he attempts to conceal it.
Posted by: jwb7605 at August 28, 2011 12:09 PM (Qxe/p)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 28, 2011 12:10 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Deathknyte at August 28, 2011 12:10 PM (VwUPm)
Ace,
This thing is getting a little long in the tooth.
Trying to disprove Geller by inserting the subject quote which clearly is subtextual and duplicitous in its attempt to link the fathers of Christendom to the muslim faith --- is not a winning thesis in which to support your position.
Think about it.
I'm on your side but Ace, this is getting verbose and what you are offering as ostenisble vouchsafe material (like the Islamic center's own quote) is not entirely a solid argumentation on point with the fact that Geller altogether misquoted you and is likely upset and driven to besmirch you all on account you did not choose to link her site to AOSHQ.
Ace, you are right in this whole thing but the additional ingredients you are throwing into this are not really doing much --------- dude, you already won the whole argument at square one.
Stop the Knight to your Rook moves.
You won the entire chess game and own the board.
If Geller can't figure that out well than, that's on Geller.
Now let's get to work defeating Obama.
Thanks for listening.
Now where are my smokes....
Posted by: journolist at August 28, 2011 12:12 PM (Fb9Q0)
Posted by: Dave S.
Do you really think there is no difference between saying, "Perry isn't the best candidate," and "Rick Perry is an Islamist sympathizer who is indoctrinating children in Islam." ?
Posted by: drybrush at August 28, 2011 12:12 PM (mIucK)
That's true, outside of changing its meaning entirely.
Posted by: Ace's liver at August 28, 2011 12:12 PM (1+XRG)
Posted by: CoolCzech at August 28, 2011 12:12 PM (niZvt)
Not at all. They get paid by the word.
Posted by: jwb7605 at August 28, 2011 12:13 PM (Qxe/p)
Posted by: CoolCzech at August 28, 2011 12:14 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: Pam Geller at August 28, 2011 12:15 PM (Qjh0I)
Sixth graders are not being taught about the Council of Nicene in history class. What they learn of Christians in the Middle Ages is how they slaughtered the muslims- who are benign and pluralistic. And also about how "msulims believe" that Islam completes Christianity and Judaism. Also, when Christians teach Christian history in history class- they're not trying to stealthily advance the Faith- they're just teaching history. Muslims do this stealthy kind of stuff.
Chemjeff- they could start with the writings of Winston Churchill, then go on to Snouck Hurgronje, and yes even Robert Spencer. The first lesson could focus on the defintions of the terms "taqiyya" and "kitman" and the history and methods of their use. There is a very long and rich tradition of Western Orientalism for our schools to dip into.
Absolutely no need to hire muslims to guide the Infidel kids in the instruction of Islam.
Posted by: november1981 at August 28, 2011 12:15 PM (+HAu2)
Posted by: CoolCzech at August 28, 2011 12:16 PM (niZvt)
Thank you Captain Non Sequitor.
Posted by: toby928™ at August 28, 2011 12:17 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: BumperStickerist at August 28, 2011 12:18 PM (h6mPj)
Ace is just coming off, whether he is right or wrong matters not, as the teenager who gets angry that he is not taken seriously by the older folks. Well it's hard to be respected when you are covered in tats, piercings, giant holes in your ear lobes and every other word out of your mouth when you argue is a curse word (metaphorically speaking for Ace). You can be 100% correct in your argument but nobody is going to pay any attention. Throwing another tantrum ain't going to get them to listen. Go back to Ewok and pudding jokes and take satisfaction that you gave them the best slap-down that you could. You just aren't going to convince any new folks.
Oh, and stealth jihad ain't going away.
Posted by: Hurricane at August 28, 2011 12:19 PM (NrdQS)
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2011 12:19 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: blogforce one at August 28, 2011 12:20 PM (lICB9)
Pam's titiies can suck up 63% of all excess water on the Upper East Side, so there's that...
Posted by: TexasJew at August 28, 2011 12:20 PM (+cOEs)
Of course there is, but that's the driving force for them. These are people that must have every issue they bring forward be the battle of our time, and everyone who has read them understands that and bakes it into the cake. If you read them, it's up to you the reader to understand where this should fit on your priority lists because they (especially Gellar) will not make such distinctions for you.
So do they support Huntsman because he is the only one without ties to Norquist? Of course not. This is primary politics masked in outrage.
Posted by: Dave S. at August 28, 2011 12:20 PM (UvR6d)
And ridiculously asserting that Perry is a dhimi supporting stealth jihad ain't going to roll it back one bit. Quite the opposite. PG is in danger of becoming Tailgunner Joe.
Posted by: toby928™ at August 28, 2011 12:21 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2011 04:19 PM (nj1bB)
Try "potted plant".
Posted by: TexasJew at August 28, 2011 12:21 PM (+cOEs)
Posted by: Jeff B. at August 28, 2011 12:21 PM (D9z3D)
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2011 12:22 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Dr Spank at August 28, 2011 12:23 PM (1fB+3)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at August 28, 2011 12:24 PM (oxYYm)
Posted by: CoolCzech at August 28, 2011 04:14 PM (niZvt)
Ok, I admit I did go back and read his long comment, I liked the history bit on the Birch society.
With luck he will go back to stalking Rubio with the psycho-Ewok pictures.
Those were always good for a laugh.
Posted by: Deathknyte at August 28, 2011 12:24 PM (VwUPm)
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2011 12:25 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 28, 2011 12:25 PM (bxiXv)
I reveal all.
Actually, as I pointed out in a previous thread, you're missing one. He's the guy who made the Gutsy Call (TM) to take out Osama Bin Laden.
So they aren't restricted to Huntsman. They have a choice between him and Barack Obama.
Posted by: Abdominal Snowman at August 28, 2011 12:25 PM (rVfMa)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at August 28, 2011 12:25 PM (oxYYm)
Posted by: BumperStickerist at August 28, 2011 12:27 PM (h6mPj)
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2011 12:27 PM (nj1bB)
I read the first post. How many hobos had to die for that one?
In all seriousness, I used to read her blog often way back, commented there and referenced her posts and Spencer's on my blog. I thought she was pretty cool at the time. Since then, I've moved on to other places as the tone was a bit too shrill for my taste and there just isn't time to read everything out there. But to each there own and I still think she has done good perhaps even great work exposing the jihadi cancer.
That said, Ace's argument here and the original post are throughly convincing on this issue.
As for Spencer, I found a pic online where to me, it looked like she had her knee in his crotch oh so gently. Might explain why he is shooting himself in the foot here.
Posted by: Mark at August 28, 2011 12:27 PM (kVqjO)
When Ace saved Mamie Eisenhower from falling down a large mound of her empty Crown Royal bottles, the media never acknowledged that.
Why?
Posted by: TexasJew at August 28, 2011 12:28 PM (+cOEs)
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2011 12:28 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Aga Khan Noonien Singh at August 28, 2011 12:30 PM (Y+DPZ)
Posted by: Dave S.
Except they aren't promoting another candidate, are they? As Ace wrote it's going to have to be Huntsman because he's the only one that hasn't become 'partners' with Norquist. Further, outlandish charges of this order need serious evidence. What they've offered here is ridiculous calumny.
No, this is an addiction to paranoia and rage without a mask.
Posted by: drybrush at August 28, 2011 12:31 PM (mIucK)
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2011 12:32 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2011 12:33 PM (nj1bB)
Yeah, Geller and Spencer co-founded the (hilariously-titled) "Freedom Defensive Initiative" and "Stop Islamization of America" groups and co-wrote the not-at-all bugfuck insanely-titled book The Post-American Presidency: The Obama Administration's War on America. They're kind of joined at the hip now in terms of their fortunes. It shouldn't shock anyone that Spencer is changing his previously stated opinions in consonance with Geller's accusations.
Posted by: Jeff B. at August 28, 2011 12:33 PM (D9z3D)
Dwight Eisenhower played golf incessantly
Obama plays golf incessantly
Dwight Eisenhower had an hideously embarrassing wife
Obama has a hideously embarassing wife
Dwight Eisenhower had a white mother
Obama had a white mother
See where I'm going with this?
Posted by: TexasJew at August 28, 2011 12:34 PM (+cOEs)
Posted by: JackStraw at August 28, 2011 12:35 PM (TMB3S)
Posted by: november1981 at August 28, 2011 12:35 PM (+HAu2)
The Morons are pets, not quite domesticated ...
Posted by: Aga Khan of Spades at August 28, 2011 12:37 PM (Y+DPZ)
Posted by: BOB NW at August 28, 2011 12:37 PM (zT4Ss)
Governor Perry was recently given this award:
And Perry's aides stopped the "freedom flotilla" against Israel:
Sharia is promoting segregated Mulsim-only banks in Ann Arbor, MI (University Islamic Financial Corp.), and segregated swimming in Seattle. Is this segregation going on in Texas? Perhaps MM, Geller and Spencer just need to admit they don't like Texans instead.
Much ado about nothing. Rick Perry is an evangelical Christian. Until he bows before an Arab prince I am not worried about a textbook reference to Muslims.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky at August 28, 2011 12:37 PM (fNdyx)
if evidence can only be had by doctoring quotes, what does this say of her evidence?
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2011 04:27 PM (nj1bB)
< Ace, I see where you are coming from. And I've taken a second look at this and the context of what Geller has said and the way she is manipulating things. Yes, this has to be squelched. I just never really gave much consideration to Geller and didn't know much about her ways and have done some research and Ace, I understand now. You are entirely right. You have to fight for your name and AOSHQ.
Ace --- Thanks for putting it on the line everyday. You are a prolific writer and as I said yesterday, an honest broker.
Posted by: journolist at August 28, 2011 12:37 PM (Fb9Q0)
Posted by: jewells45, tea party terrorist at August 28, 2011 02:51 PM (Z71Vg)
I want the link if you'll post it.
--
#59. Lu
You are so right on the over fifty and forever 21 -- I remember Cathy Seipp (love, miss her) called Pam Geller and boobs out.
Posted by: Topsecretk9 at August 28, 2011 12:38 PM (PK7oq)
Posted by: Lauren at August 28, 2011 12:38 PM (ghJ2e)
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2011 12:39 PM (nj1bB)
Council president Randy Radtke says they choose not to invite elected officials who have “openly attacked worker’s rights” or did nothing when state public workers lost most of their right to collectively bargain.
Those batshit mothereffers have lost their damn minds.
Posted by: Steph at August 28, 2011 12:39 PM (Qz3vR)
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2011 12:40 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: chemjeff at August 28, 2011 12:41 PM (czcue)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 28, 2011 12:43 PM (bxiXv)
...and Pam didn't fake jack shit. You're just having a spat with Geller and Spencer and this is your little payback.
Asshat.
Posted by: Pat in Michigan (Yes, that one!) at August 28, 2011 12:43 PM (Z9ZMs)
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2011 12:44 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Pat in Michigan (Yes, that one!) at August 28, 2011 12:45 PM (Z9ZMs)
correct link for the 50'th fucking time!
Posted by: Pat in Michigan (Yes, that one!) at August 28, 2011 12:46 PM (Z9ZMs)
Posted by: BumperStickerist at August 28, 2011 12:46 PM (h6mPj)
Posted by: TexasJew at August 28, 2011 12:46 PM (+cOEs)
Posted by: Grandma Mimi at August 28, 2011 12:47 PM (KvqDG)
Posted by: Dr Spank at August 28, 2011 12:47 PM (1fB+3)
Thank you Ace, I was seriously just about to bang out a furious, disgusted response (again, like in the other thread) to the stupid BIRCHER shit.
November1981 - John F. Kennedy is dead, the USSR is history, and there's a Maoist in the White House. And you are an idiot who they're thinking of when they write books on stupid, laughable logical fallacies.
*points and laughs at november1981's FAILURE*
Posted by: Beth at August 28, 2011 12:48 PM (kBxk7)
Ah fuck you, I'm not a god damned fucking bircher ya asshat.
I respect 'em and all. But I've never sent them a fucking dime. ya cock nibbler...
Posted by: Pat in Michigan (Yes, that one!) at August 28, 2011 12:48 PM (Z9ZMs)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 28, 2011 12:48 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2011 12:49 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Pat in Michigan (Yes, that one!) at August 28, 2011 04:43 PM (Z9ZMs)
What? Ace is a fascist now?
Sheesh - okay you people, Pat and november1981, what should be taught in World History class regarding Islam? Anything? Maybe it should be "Muslims R Evil" and that's all? I don't get it.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 28, 2011 12:49 PM (czcue)
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2011 12:49 PM (nj1bB)
correct link for the 50'th fucking time!
Posted by: Pat in Michigan (Yes, that one!) at August 28, 2011 04:46 PM (Z9ZMs)
Just because you're too stupid to properly work the blog software doesn't mean it the software's fault. I mean the spam is able to work it. Why are you dumber than spam?
Posted by: buzzion at August 28, 2011 12:50 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: basic bv at August 28, 2011 12:51 PM (bXs2k)
He's the Aggie Khan.
Posted by: november1981 at August 28, 2011 12:51 PM (+HAu2)
Posted by: BumperStickerist at August 28, 2011 12:51 PM (h6mPj)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 28, 2011 12:51 PM (bxiXv)
In some ways I think it might be useful to Perry even, it is that absurd on its face. I can imagine some low information voter hearing about how Perry is some wacko fundamentalist, and then hearing he's a friend of Islam, and getting so confused they say screw it and staying focused on job creation.
Posted by: Dave S. at August 28, 2011 12:53 PM (UvR6d)
How? He worked with someone who Robert F'in Spencer said was a moderate until a week ago. Is the complaint here that Perry isn't psychic?
Posted by: Lauren at August 28, 2011 12:53 PM (ghJ2e)
Posted by: Inquiring Mind Wants To Know at August 28, 2011 12:53 PM (qfc2g)
Now that everybody is a bunch of Twits, anything longer than a couple of sentences gives them an anxiety attack.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 28, 2011 04:51 PM (bxiXv)
TL;DR
u haz summary plz?
Posted by: Mætenloch at August 28, 2011 12:54 PM (/3HNy)
I guess you don't much read my blog...much.
I've scooted away from that position ace.
For a very damned good reason, okay.
read here, PLEASE. all of you. This isn't dumb ass attempt to garner support. this was me, standing up and saying... "Wait just a pea-picking minute here!"
Posted by: Pat in Michigan (Yes, that one!) at August 28, 2011 12:54 PM (Z9ZMs)
Posted by: CoolCzech at August 28, 2011 12:56 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: Beth at August 28, 2011 12:57 PM (kBxk7)
Posted by: Dr Spank at August 28, 2011 12:57 PM (1fB+3)
Typical bigoted bullcrap from atheists.
Posted by: Pat in Michigan (Yes, that one!) at August 28, 2011 12:57 PM (Z9ZMs)
tod8, iz fshnbl 2 p0st txtng only.
Posted by: B+ High School Senior at August 28, 2011 12:57 PM (Qxe/p)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 28, 2011 12:58 PM (bxiXv)
to hell with all of ya...
Ace, your a a-hole. man... and your friends can suck it.
bye.
Posted by: Pat in Michigan (Yes, that one!) at August 28, 2011 12:58 PM (Z9ZMs)
Posted by: BumperStickerist at August 28, 2011 12:59 PM (h6mPj)
Posted by: Pat in Michigan
After calling Ace an asshat and a cocknibbler, you think we're going to click on your virus-laden link?
How about no?
Posted by: drybrush at August 28, 2011 12:59 PM (mIucK)
Posted by: Pam Geller at August 28, 2011 12:59 PM (Qjh0I)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at August 28, 2011 12:59 PM (+61wI)
[Further discussion of some other moderate Muslim sects.]
Robert Spencer: In all this my friend Timothy Furnish, whose work I admire, is entirely correct.
ouch.
so if Spencer has decided He was initially wrong about trusting Aga Khan, why would He blame another if There was a mistake in judgement made?
ok saying that, I wish this would not be a battle on the blog-sphere we all need each other to win against Obama and the Dem media machine.
Posted by: willow at August 28, 2011 12:59 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: willow at August 28, 2011 01:00 PM (h+qn8)
Therefore, to you Mr. Ace — I bid you adieu. You sir, have joined the ranks of the fascists who now have turned their backs on the Jewish community, the Christian Community, and against freedom. There is no compromise sir. Either you are for or against we who stand for liberty — and it appears that you have taking the side of the Chuckles Johnson or the “Anything that looks even remotely anti-Muslim is evil” side.
If you want to find someone behaving like Johnson in all of this you'll have to look at Pam Geller and her "guilt by association" garbage.
And so Pat I mean this with all honesty. Fuck you.
Posted by: buzzion at August 28, 2011 01:00 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: Arbalest at August 28, 2011 01:01 PM (1yhOI)
He's the Aggie Khan.
And I would suggest that Mr. Spencer and Ms. Gellar are allowing _themselves_ to be used.
I'm not 100% sure they're being used by Obama, there's still the possibility of the Huntsman Juggernaut. He'll probably be getting a lot of Democrat votes in the republican primaries, one way or another.
Either way they're DNC candidates.
Posted by: Abdominal Snowman at August 28, 2011 01:01 PM (rVfMa)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at August 28, 2011 01:01 PM (oxYYm)
Posted by: JackStraw at August 28, 2011 01:01 PM (TMB3S)
Posted by: BumperStickerist at August 28, 2011 01:01 PM (h6mPj)
Because the skank he's banging said so, and he's got to stick up for his woman or else no more nookie. Fuck professional reputation!
Posted by: Beth at August 28, 2011 01:02 PM (kBxk7)
This is all nonsense. Yeah, Obama's ideology wants to decrease America. Yes, there is no such thing as moderate Islam - not really. The revelatory methodology of Islam means that you either ignore some of Muhammed's teachings, meaning not everything he said and did is a perfect example, which, of course, means all of Islam becomes questionable and unreliable. In other words, you undermine all of Islam and Westernize it. This is, from the specific perspective of Islam, untenable. If you call Muhammed himself, into question, you call the entire religion of Islam into question. This is all tied into the revelatory methodology claimed by Muhammed, which is basically from God's lips to my ears to you, and through everything I do.
That's not to say there can't be those who *claim* to be Muslims and, in fact, claim they reject the violence of Islam and yet are Muslims. Heck, there are those who reject the Trinity and still claim to be Christian. They can claim to be whatever they want to be. And, in true Western tradition, I'm sure we'll call them (and it appears that we do) Muslim. As far as I'm concerned, since I reject all of Islam, in any form, whatsoever, as long as they don't believe in and act out on the violent aspects of Islam, I say cool.
the sinner,
Patrick
Posted by: Patrick at August 28, 2011 01:02 PM (Mfc9p)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 28, 2011 01:02 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 28, 2011 01:03 PM (bxiXv)
One good thing that comes out of this is I finally get to hang out with spoiled Frat boytoys!
Posted by: willow at August 28, 2011 01:04 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: BumperStickerist at August 28, 2011 01:05 PM (h6mPj)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 28, 2011 01:06 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Merovign
Before you vote, I have some spoons that might be of interest to you.
Posted by: Uri Geller at August 28, 2011 01:08 PM (mIucK)
Even if you see it as legitimate that the Governor of the state of Texas wants to introduce the study of Islam into public schools, and if you accept as legitimate that a muslim organization be tasked with coordinating this- what about Perry's handing this off to the Aga Khan, who just happens to be his good buddy.
Talk about no-bid contracts. Why not make a public announcement and give other "moderate" Islamic groups the opportunity to submit their idea for the new coursework and how to go about implementing it? I'd like to know if either Perry himself, or one of his business partners or big donors would have in any way gained by Perry's chummy relations with the Khan. Was this new Aga Kahn Foundation For the non-Indoctrination of Infidel Youth a quid pro quo? And I'm still waiting for the other shoe to drop- how much did this enterprise end up costing the taxpayers?
Posted by: november1981 at August 28, 2011 01:10 PM (+HAu2)
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2011 01:11 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: The Good at August 28, 2011 01:13 PM (h6mPj)
Posted by: CoolCzech at August 28, 2011 01:13 PM (niZvt)
Well, apparently the Perry campaign has taken down all references to his Agha Khan connection. So, I guess he has figured out that Muslim Outreach is not such a hot idea, for people who want the Republican Presidential nomination.
Got a problem with that?
Posted by: JinEugene at August 28, 2011 01:14 PM (eQa5p)
Even if you see it as legitimate that the Governor of the state of Texas wants to introduce the study of Islam into public schools, and if you accept as legitimate that a muslim organization be tasked with coordinating this- what about Perry's handing this off to the Aga Khan, who just happens to be his good buddy.
Are you this fucking dense? They've been studying Islam in public schools for a long fucking time. Again I had a segment on world religions in my 6th grade Social Studies class in 1994. And all the stuff covered here so far has been on that level. You are a dumbass and willfully ignorant.
Posted by: buzzion at August 28, 2011 01:15 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: CoolCzech at August 28, 2011 01:15 PM (niZvt)
Tell me, who do whackjobs like you actually support for President? Do you even bother voting? I mean since there is no way humanly possible for sentient human beings to satisfy your demands for racial/religious/political/ethnic/gender/whatever PURITY.
Posted by: Beth at August 28, 2011 01:15 PM (kBxk7)
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2011 01:15 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: naturalfake at August 28, 2011 01:16 PM (I49Jm)
Posted by: CoolCzech at August 28, 2011 01:17 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2011 01:18 PM (nj1bB)
Does she have big jugs?
Posted by: naturalfake at August 28, 2011 05:16 PM (I49Jm)
Not really. But she likes to display them. And then complain incessantly if you notice.
Posted by: buzzion at August 28, 2011 01:18 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2011 01:22 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 28, 2011 01:22 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at August 28, 2011 01:22 PM (OW0nw)
/Birchtard logic
Posted by: Beth at August 28, 2011 01:22 PM (kBxk7)
Yeah Ace he pretty much did. He also went and accused you of acting like Charles Johnson. Just check the top post he has at his shitty little blog. He really lays into you. Just totally hardcore smackdown.
Posted by: buzzion at August 28, 2011 01:23 PM (GULKT)
Here's Session 3:
"The readings selected for Session Three illustrate the role that the Qur’an plays in the lives of Muslims as an oral/aural scripture. While Jews and Christians view their holy books as narratives of divine inspiration that are accessible through the written word, many Muslims interact with and encounter their holy book primarily through the sound of the recited text. The sound permeates every day life in Muslim majority countries as people hear the recited Qur’an in “secular” environments such as markets and shopping malls, over the radio and at a variety of public functions. As such, Muslims are more likely to hear the Qur’an rather than read it. Indeed, it has been said that the majority of the world’s Muslims encounter the Qur’an through the ear rather than the eye. Most Muslims believe that the Qur’an embodies God’s actual speech in Arabic as revealed to the Prophet Muhammad through the Angel Gabriel. Not surprisingly, the oral recited Qur’an is absolutely integral to the believer in incorporating a relationship with the Divine into daily life. Muslims view the beauty and perfection of the Qur’an to be manifest in the sound and imagery that the spoken word emotes in the listener. In fact, believers point to this very perfection of the text as the proof of the prophethood of Muhammad. For many, the notion that the Qur’an is inimitable, that is, no human could possibly have produced anything so perfect, proves that it had to be God who revealed this message to Muhammad."
Now, here are some points of discussion teachers are supposed to think and talk about while teaching this portion:
Some scholars claim that the Muslim emphasis on hearing the Divine Word (QurÂ’an) in its recited form results in a different understanding of communing with God than that of Jews and Christians. As you go through these readings, document examples that highlight this claim of difference. Think about what the practical effect these differences produce within the believer, if any. As you learn more about Islam and Muslim cultures, compare and contrast the ideals represented in the recited scripture versus the way that people behave. Is this substantially different in other religions?Consider the nature of a religionÂ’s emphasis on the recitation of a holy message. How is this emphasis related to the cultural/literary context in which the QurÂ’an was revealed? In what ways would this emphasis be uplifting and deeply touching in a personal context? In what ways would it be anti-individual and restricting? What freedom does the individual reciter have in determining the manner and style of his/her recitation? How does looking at religion through a cultural context change what you think about both someone elseÂ’s religion and your own system of beliefs which may be religious or not.How do the three monotheistic religions use scripture differently? How does the way a believer looks at scripture predispose his/her response to his/her own religion? How do you think that these differences substantially reflect culture? How do these differences stand in the way of mutual understanding? What key information do these readings highlight which you think make a difference in a better/clearer understanding of Islam by non-Muslims?
I didn't learn much about religions in public school. What I did learn about any of them was on my own after 9-11 and I'm 50 years old.
What is surprising to me about this curriculum is how it across all seesions waxes lyrical about the wonders of Islam and the magical relationship believers have with Mohammed thru the cultural lens of poets and artists. The point being pushed is that the point of view is basically: You westerners don't know crap about the beauties of Islam, and let us educate you on why we think it's the most beautiful of all possible religions and we hope you view us as magical, etherial spiritual beings after this class. And please be sure to tell us how Islam has made a better impression on you.
Hmmm. Is this what we are supposed to be teaching in school? Shouldn't the info be more objective?
I say this with out knowing what on earth we teach about the "beauties" of Buddihsm, or Hinduism or Christianity, Judiasm, etc in schools because I really have no idea.
I'm just sort of shocked.
Posted by: Cornfused Yet Again at August 28, 2011 01:23 PM (AyzfE)
Posted by: The Good at August 28, 2011 01:24 PM (h6mPj)
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2011 01:24 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 28, 2011 01:24 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Beth at August 28, 2011 01:24 PM (kBxk7)
Posted by: Your Friends, The Lizard People at August 28, 2011 01:26 PM (I49Jm)
Ya know, if conservatives spent a little less time holding circular firing squads and a lot more time sharing their ideas and policy proposals...
...they might have a reason to stop wondering why Republicans can't take and hold power in D.C. and in state houses and governor's mansions around the nation.
That whole outrage thing? It doesn't pay off when you're attacking people who are on your side. I know, I know. It's evil when Obama and the Dems do it to America's allies, but it's all angelic goodness when you do it to your own ideological allies and friends.
(I can't wait until Ace does the equivalent of posting pics of his bicycle, either.)
Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at August 28, 2011 01:27 PM (E7Z1r)
Posted by: jeannebodine at August 28, 2011 01:27 PM (nvlAW)
Forget Geller for a second.
The fact that she's attacking Perry with this story shouldn't distract from the story itself. Perry injected Islam into the Texas curriculum, and charged a close personal friend, the leader of a sect of some sixteen million muslims with a long and really bizarre history, with setting up a foundation to make it happen. I'd like to know what Perry was thinking. I'd like to know if Perry recognizes that Dawa( calling the Infidel to Islam) is actually classified as Jihad, and if he sees how muslims have advanced Dawa through our institutions and what he would do about it. People either don't know, or forget, that Jihad is the struggle to advance Islam- part of that is by making the unbeliever submit through force of arms, and part is by winning them over by proselytization. The Big W, catastrophically, was incapable of recognizing Jihad through Dawa. I don't want to another blind fool like that in charge of defending our country against these cunning wolves.
Posted by: november1981 at August 28, 2011 01:27 PM (+HAu2)
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at August 28, 2011 01:28 PM (8Zpuz)
Posted by: The Good at August 28, 2011 01:29 PM (h6mPj)
Posted by: Lincolntf at August 28, 2011 01:29 PM (FzVlt)
Posted by: BumperStickerist at August 28, 2011 01:31 PM (h6mPj)
That whole outrage thing? It doesn't pay off when you're attacking people who are on your side. I know, I know. It's evil when Obama and the Dems do it to America's allies, but it's all angelic goodness when you do it to your own ideological allies and friends.
(I can't wait until Ace does the equivalent of posting pics of his bicycle, either.)
Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at August 28, 2011 05:27 PM (E7Z1r)
The hell, are you really comparing Ace to Chuckles Johnson?
All of you conservative Rodney "why can't we all just get along" Kings can go sit in a corner. These posts always end up in a plea for equivocation. Can't we just ignore shrill dishonesty and blatant personal attacks in favor of, uh, peace and love? No, no we can't. Especially since Gellar/Spencer are jumping on both a fellow Republican and a fellow so-called blogger-in-arms.
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at August 28, 2011 01:31 PM (8Zpuz)
Do you mean that this Pat is possibly the same guy who shows up in pretty much all the top Google search results for the phrase "keeping the Jew Bankers rich?" If so, whoa, yeah, ironic isn't a strong enough word.
Posted by: Splunge at August 28, 2011 01:32 PM (2IW5Q)
Posted by: Genetic Tunder at August 28, 2011 01:32 PM (dbYHP)
That whole outrage thing? It doesn't pay off when you're attacking people who are on your side. I know, I know. It's evil when Obama and the Dems do it to America's allies, but it's all angelic goodness when you do it to your own ideological allies and friends.
(I can't wait until Ace does the equivalent of posting pics of his bicycle, either.)
Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at August 28, 2011 05:27 PM (E7Z1r)
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I honestly thought that you were referring to Gellar's baseless attacks on Governor Perry until I read your parenthetical.
Isn't it most important to support successful GOP politicians, particularly when they are at or near the front the pack of presidential candidates?
Posted by: Y-not at August 28, 2011 01:33 PM (5H6zj)
You never answer anyone, do you? Which candidate DO you think "recognizes Jihad through Dawa" and will make it a point of campaigning on this?
See, this is why I like Facebook. Eventually it's just not even worth the aggravation of reading stupid shit like PaleoPat and November1981 so you just end up blocking them so you never have to see their stupid shit any more.
Posted by: Beth at August 28, 2011 01:33 PM (kBxk7)
Posted by: november1981 at August 28, 2011 05:27 PM (+HAu2)
Uhh what? Aga Khan's foundation is solely to teach Texan teachers the same tired old generic Comparative History rubbish? No, I don't think so.
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at August 28, 2011 01:33 PM (8Zpuz)
Posted by: BumperStickerist at August 28, 2011 01:34 PM (h6mPj)
I am not a number, I am a Free Man! (History of slavery class. Or British Television Dramas of the 1960s and 70s)
-also kick ass Maiden tunes based on said drama.
Posted by: garrett at August 28, 2011 01:34 PM (dkLGh)
Posted by: Beth at August 28, 2011 05:33 PM (kBxk7)
There's an App for that!
Posted by: Curiously Big Tits on Pam Geller at August 28, 2011 01:36 PM (dkLGh)
Posted by: december1971 at August 28, 2011 01:38 PM (S29ZL)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 28, 2011 01:39 PM (bxiXv)
#485 - now that I think of it, there probably IS a Greasemonkey script.
Posted by: Beth at August 28, 2011 01:40 PM (kBxk7)
PA Public School graduate .. learned about Islam during World Cultures. This was:
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MD public school graduate. I don't have a specific recollection of being taught about any religions, frankly. I have a vague recollection of a "Myths and Mythology" two-week "study unit" in English class and I recall a little bit of Catholicism/Protestant reformation stuff in European History (and elective), but that's it.
With the exception of providing enough context to understand history, literature, or art, I am not a fan of teaching about religions in public schools. It's not that I think it's bad to learn about other religions, it's just that I think it would be extremely difficult to teach it without some sort of bias. Let's leave it to the parents to do that.
Posted by: Y-not at August 28, 2011 01:41 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: JackStraw at August 28, 2011 01:42 PM (TMB3S)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 28, 2011 01:42 PM (bxiXv)
You would consider people like Pournelle or Darbyshire to be Birchers? People who were against the Iraq war embraced the "paleo" label to differentiate themselves from neoconservatives.
Posted by: Ace's liver at August 28, 2011 01:43 PM (1+XRG)
Posted by: April 1, 1988 at August 28, 2011 01:43 PM (1fB+3)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 28, 2011 01:43 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: naturalfake at August 28, 2011 01:45 PM (I49Jm)
Posted by: Beth at August 28, 2011 01:46 PM (kBxk7)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 28, 2011 01:46 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 28, 2011 05:42 PM (bxiXv)
Just wait until an electoral majority of America is proselytized to Islam, fool.
Posted by: October1991 at August 28, 2011 01:47 PM (8Zpuz)
Posted by: Y-not at August 28, 2011 01:47 PM (5H6zj)
Hey, we can block it for you. Have any lasagna?
Posted by: MIT Guys at August 28, 2011 01:49 PM (7Hx4C)
Here's a link to one of the many foundations the Khan has set up, the Center for Global Pluralism:
http://tinyurl.com/3qcdf9l
Pluralism always means Islam, if you haven't noticed. Whether it's being pushed by the Aga, or Tariq Ramadan or Imam Ralph. This is what Islamists do. They get in the good graces of those in power. They target people like Rick Perry, who they have pegged as a good dupe, and then they throw a lot of money around and they set up a foundation dedicated to Pluralism and they have throw a bunch of Interfaith meetings where they end up pushing Islam and inviting people to the Mosque on Friday. You'll notice eventually, that they never set up these Pluralist centers in Islamic lands. No, Pluralism is the strategy by which Islam enters the non-Islamic land under the guise of just another well-meaning religion, one of the Three Great Faiths- then when begin throwing their elbows around and blocking everyone else out.
What they mean by Pluralism is not that all faiths should coexist peacefully and equally, but that all faiths can co-exist peacefully under the banner of the crescent and the order of Islam.
Posted by: november1981 at August 28, 2011 01:49 PM (+HAu2)
She's a Palinista. You know, Sarah Palin, Grover al-Norquist's buddy.
Posted by: Beth at August 28, 2011 01:50 PM (kBxk7)
Posted by: Last Tuesday, Noon at August 28, 2011 01:50 PM (1fB+3)
Posted by: Y-not at August 28, 2011 05:47 PM (5H6zj)
Cain used to be my candidate until I found out what an incredible airhead he was about anything foreign. I don't really understand how a smart guy like him could veer off into inanities like that.
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at August 28, 2011 01:51 PM (8Zpuz)
Posted by: Beth at August 28, 2011 01:51 PM (kBxk7)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at August 28, 2011 01:52 PM (OW0nw)
Perry injected Islam into the Texas curriculum, and charged a close personal friend, the leader of a sect of some sixteen million muslims with a long and really bizarre history, with setting up a foundation to make it happen
What color is the sky in your world you lying assmunch?
Posted by: buzzion at August 28, 2011 01:53 PM (GULKT)
That Pat dude that left, he's sort of scrunt, isn't he?
Posted by: Dick Nixon at August 28, 2011 01:54 PM (KM0sz)
Or maybe he could be just working for social well-being. I guess he must be hiding a stash of mortars and RPGs, though, since he is a Muzzie after all.
You'll notice eventually, that they never set up these Pluralist centers in Islamic lands.
No shit. Even Al Gore could see that would be a waste of money.
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at August 28, 2011 01:54 PM (8Zpuz)
Well, I realize Gov. Palin is not directing Gellar's actions (well, I certainly assume she's not) but she surely is aware of the sorts of crazy accusations being flung at Perry (and others) on her behalf. You'd think she'd make a phone call and say "you're not helping." Or something.
The sooner Palin gets off the fence with her candidacy decision, the better.
Posted by: Y-not at August 28, 2011 01:56 PM (5H6zj)
285Someone needs to remind Geller that the interior of the dome of the Library of Congress includes a painting of "Islam" as a major force of civilization.
In fact, there is a statue of Mohammed as a Great Law Giver carved in the court room of the Supreme Court building
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Cool! How 'bout we put Mohammed Atta up on Mt Rushmore beside Honest Abe!
Posted by: Aunt Jemima at August 28, 2011 01:56 PM (mQMnK)
Posted by: Rick Perry at August 28, 2011 01:56 PM (I49Jm)
So us that know Islam can be vicious and evil, can murder thousands with a laugh, also have to believe that every muslim is a wolf in sheeps clothing? there are no moderates at all>?
the end result of thinking Moderates are only practicing taqyuia (sp)
means that there is no end result other than self defense, no possible partner to assist in any peace ever.
so if that is true what is the end result to those that say none can be trusted? even those moderates that we asked to stand up and Be accountable?
what's the point of asking Moderates to be strong and we will have their back?
Posted by: willow at August 28, 2011 01:57 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: Beth at August 28, 2011 05:46 PM (kBxk7)
Yeah, I agree. That's my point - people I consider prominent "paleocons" aren't Bircher-types.
Posted by: Ace's liver at August 28, 2011 01:58 PM (1+XRG)
Posted by: willow at August 28, 2011 05:57 PM (h+qn
So we can stab them in the back while they still think we believe their taqiyya, duh.
Posted by: Robert Spencer at August 28, 2011 02:00 PM (8Zpuz)
Posted by: 78 BC at August 28, 2011 02:01 PM (1fB+3)
You asked which candidate I thought might recognize the various ways by which Islam winnows its way into our society. I can't say, as Islam has has not been part of the debate nearly to the extent that it should be. Any number of Republicans are good on bringing the threat to light like Steve King and Allen West- and Palin, in her early and vocal opposition the Ground Zero Mosque. But except for the Cain imbroglio, Islam has not played a part in the debate.
Now polish my knob.
Posted by: november1981 at August 28, 2011 02:01 PM (+HAu2)
Posted by: willow at August 28, 2011 02:01 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: JackStraw at August 28, 2011 02:02 PM (TMB3S)
Posted by: november1981 at August 28, 2011 06:01 PM (+HAu2)
Lying shits don't get to make demands around here dumbass.
Posted by: buzzion at August 28, 2011 02:02 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: Dick Nixon at August 28, 2011 02:03 PM (KM0sz)
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2011 02:03 PM (nj1bB)
1.) There apparently really are people out there who think highly of the John Birch society and wish they would come back.
2.) Chuck Adkins aka "Pat in Michigan" is a world-class shitstain anti-Semite piece of offal. If I ever met him I'd probably want to punch him the gut, but from the pictures I've seen (http://tinyurl.com/3povxd2) I would most likely get my fist stuck in his white-supremacists lard-gut.
3.) The Aga Khan seems like a pretty cool guy, actually. Sorry Geller & Spencer! Your blazing idiocy has had the opposite effect of what was intended!
4.) Pam Geller's funbags are leathery and almost certainly fake.
Posted by: Jeff B. at August 28, 2011 02:04 PM (D9z3D)
BARACK OBAMA!!!
SLOBODAN MILOSEVIC!!!
Posted by: Beth at August 28, 2011 02:04 PM (kBxk7)
Posted by: JackStraw at August 28, 2011 06:02 PM (TMB3S)
Especially the Green Berets. Winning over local culture? They should have listened to real experts like Pamela Gellar.
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at August 28, 2011 02:05 PM (8Zpuz)
Regardless of where Perry stands, Islam is bad news, and, unless any lesson consists of 'not the religion of peace, they encourage terrorism and will lie to you and kill you given the opportunity', then it has no place in our schools.
They wish to gain a toe-hold in the schools -using this lie: Islam has made mistakes but it isn't bad. Soon it goes beyond that - kids need to fully understand the Koran and should study it.
10 years from now, when Islam is being openly taught in the schools because we refused to push back, some of us will remember this and say 'we warned you', but instead, some of you will be telling us how crazy we are for stating that the goal is to impose Sharia law.
Islam has adopted the tactics of the left: incrementalism. 75 years ago, the fight was over 'should the government have any type of social security program', now the fight is over 'can we raise the eligibility age', and it's just accepted that government should be doing this at all.
They dissemble in an effort to gain a foothold, and we are letting them destroy us from within. Pamela Geller may be wrong on some things, but her heart is in the right place, and her message needs to be heeded.
Remember: It is ALWAYS allowable to lie to the infidel.
Posted by: blindside at August 28, 2011 02:05 PM (9PPuq)
Posted by: naturalfake at August 28, 2011 02:06 PM (I49Jm)
I know the term "moderate Muslim" is a sticking point, but it's what everyone falls back on. What we call "radicals" are the philosophical core of Islam - they are the "true adherents." What we call "moderates" they call "apostates."
We just don't have a better phrase to describe the people who fall under the "Muslim" umbrella but who are sick of that shit.
The Strident Brigade just can't figure out that we can't solve that problem by just alienating the shit out of anyone and everyone.
Seven year-old girl screaming how much she hates her parents, her friends, her school, her favorite band, whatever.
So, "PERRY'S A DHIMMI TRAITOR" somehow gets these people... what, exactly? Apart from an ego rush?Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 28, 2011 02:06 PM (bxiXv)
Well, I thought I was, but then, this thread is already too big, and besides, I got shit to do.
I'm sure some other commenter has done my work, here, anyway.
Posted by: K~Bob at August 28, 2011 02:06 PM (9b6FB)
In April 2004, the Aga Khan Foundation (AKF) and UT-Austin finalized a grant proposal that created the partnership that became known as the Muslim Histories and Cultures Program (MHC). Much has happened since the inception of the partnership. Creation and implementation of a model was of prime importance. MHC recruited and directly trained 80 teachers affecting approximately 15,150 students of World History and World Geography in ten key Texas districts during the two sessions conducted in 2005 and 2006. The purpose is two-fold 1) to fulfill Governor Rick Perry's desire to better educate Texas teachers on Muslim topics and 2) to train teachers to use a cultural lens approach to understanding other cultures. Governor Perry was instrumental in getting this program off the ground.
"Cultural lens", huh? Perry's got some 'splainin to do.
Posted by: november1981 at August 28, 2011 02:07 PM (+HAu2)
Not if that message is smearing a sitting (and excellent) governor who also happens to be one of our best (and only) shots at unseating Obama.
Sorry, "her heart is in the right place" doesn't cut it for me.
Posted by: Y-not at August 28, 2011 02:08 PM (5H6zj)
Pam Geller is wrong on ALL things, pretty much.
And her heart is in the wrong place.
People who walk around thinking that EVERY MUSLIM IS LYING TO US TAQIYYA PEOPLE IT'S ALL TAQIYYA!! are far more loathsome and worth excluding from decent conversation than, say, moderate Muslims like the Aga Khan and the Ismailis. I find YOUR quasi-Bircherist conspiracy theory mindset far more offensive than the Five Pillars, dude.
Posted by: Jeff B. at August 28, 2011 02:08 PM (D9z3D)
it gets every society/the world doomed, because there are no Good choices at that point
Posted by: willow at August 28, 2011 02:08 PM (h+qn8)
Wait, this shit hasn't been taught in five years? This is looking more and more like a blatant hit job by a Palin operative on the GOP frontrunner for POTUS.
And Pam G is ass deep in the hit job along with Sarah "The Victim" Palin.
Or am I wrong?
Posted by: Dick Nixon at August 28, 2011 02:10 PM (KM0sz)
the Routinely Purchased Bank Mystery....
Mama always said there was a movie review in there somewhere.
Posted by: Forrest Gump at August 28, 2011 02:10 PM (oCMdU)
Maybe he looked into the Aga's eyes, was able to get a sense of his soul.
Posted by: november1981 at August 28, 2011 02:10 PM (+HAu2)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at August 28, 2011 02:12 PM (TATbF)
Jesus Christ you are such a reflexive fucking bigot that it beggars belief. The phrase "cultural lens" means absolutely nothing so offensive as the idea, popular in teaching for oh, I dunno, over 100 years or so now, of trying to understand a culture in its own terms.
That's what you're opposed to, isn't it? You want a curriculum about Islam that begins with "the believers of this satanic philosophy are the enemies of Christianity and Western civilization, cannot be reasoned with, and must be snuffed out like the existential threat they are." And then gets more judgmental from there.
Seriously, with all my heart: go fuck yourself.
Posted by: Jeff B. at August 28, 2011 02:12 PM (D9z3D)
Posted by: JackStraw at August 28, 2011 02:12 PM (TMB3S)
Posted by: Dick Nixon at August 28, 2011 02:14 PM (KM0sz)
Seriously, you would have had less of a mess had you fucked her twice and never called her again.
Posted by: SGT Dan at August 28, 2011 02:14 PM (VZyOx)
I am probably the last person on this blog who is given to speak up in defense of Sarah Palin, but let's be clear here: I doubt she even know who a freak like Pam Geller is. She is most certainly not responsible for Geller/Spencer's crazytalk theorizing. Leaving aside the fact that she's not running ANYWAY (no really, she's not), an attack like this wouldn't actually help her, it would hurt her.
Posted by: Jeff B. at August 28, 2011 02:14 PM (D9z3D)
Posted by: blindside at August 28, 2011 06:05 PM (9PPuq)
It must come as a real shock to you that Islam has been openly taught in schools for, I don't know, a few decades?
When it comes down to it the taqiyya crowd has nothing but a bunch molehills that they endlessly promote. Then they make ominous-sounding insinuations and throw in the word Sharia.
Seriously, "when Islam is being openly taught in schools?" What else do we have to fear? Big Bird practicing taqiyya?
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at August 28, 2011 02:14 PM (8Zpuz)
Posted by: november1981 at August 28, 2011 06:07 PM (+HAu2)
Understanding other people, huh? Mr. Rogers' got some 'splainin to do.
Posted by: Mr. Rogers Practices Taqiyya at August 28, 2011 02:18 PM (8Zpuz)
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2011 02:20 PM (nj1bB)
I love the Geller-fanboi socks. They're so uncreative.
Posted by: Jeff B. at August 28, 2011 02:21 PM (D9z3D)
See, I was with her on the Ground Zero Mosque thing and in general in her opposition to creeping islamism. That's fine, she can do her thing. But she TOTALLY loses credibility when she gets things SO horribly wrong. The Birther thing was bad enough, but (and this is bad, but there it is) it's easy to ignore because there are a lot of people who are on this stupid asinine retarded thing. I can ignore it, and it's not really about the threat of sharia or whatever anyway (unless you take the birther thing to its illogical conclusion, which she certainly does).
But when you get stuff like this wrong - and other things like this, to be sure - you totally throw everything else into legitimate question. Maybe the Ground Zero mosque imam isn't as bad as she said? Maybe the people who said she was totally exaggerating and on a witch hunt there were right? And see, that is a legitimate issue, the GZ mosque. She is at the forefront of that fight, and if she and especially Spencer are out in left field (on Mars!) with stuff like this, we will lose credibility in the legitimate issues as well.
This is just Pamela doing what all the other supporters of certain candidates are doing. They are throwing everything they can invent or distort at Perry because he represents an existential threat to the Palin, Romney, Bachmann, Paul, and other candidacies. This shit doesn't play to general election voters, it's tailor made for primary voters. And despite the delusional thinking of a large portion of Palinistas, she actually is not a candidate as of yet. I think they actually believe if they can take him out, she'll run. This is of course ridiculous wishful thinking, but then the most fervent Palinistas are living in another reality anyway.
Posted by: Beth at August 28, 2011 02:21 PM (kBxk7)
This sums up this entire situation.
Time to send Perry some more money.
Posted by: Dick Nixon at August 28, 2011 02:23 PM (KM0sz)
Posted by: T.A. Qiya at August 28, 2011 02:23 PM (h6mPj)
Posted by: Beth at August 28, 2011 02:23 PM (kBxk7)
Jesus, the fucking Palin fans! I got news for you guys: Sarah Palin would be mortified to find out you were her supporters. She would tell to your face NOT TO VOTE FOR HER.
Posted by: Jeff B. at August 28, 2011 02:23 PM (D9z3D)
Not the hand-puppet. Just a naive dupe. Possibly Perry profitted in some way from the deal, or one of his friends. I'd like to hear him explain it.
You caricature my portrayal of the Khan. But there's a history of other seeming "moderates" who play exactly the game the Khan seems to be playing here. Whether it's at Universities such as Harvard or Columbia where they set up lavishly-funded Islamic Studies Departments which are just factories churning out The Brotherhood's line, or cities like New York where Imam Ralph sidles up to Mayor Bloomberg and receives special permission to build an enormous Mosque in the very spot his co-religionists attacked while a humble Orthodox Cathedral destroyed in that very attack is denied the right to rebuild. I could go on. Apparently, some of the source materials were by authors such as Michael Sells, and John Esposito who are scholars bought and paid for by Saudi money to produce apologia for Isalm.
You're seeing this in a vacuum. But what the Khan is engaging in is all of a sort. You can shriek "Harpy!!" all you want- Rick Perry needs to explain himself.
Posted by: november1981 at August 28, 2011 02:23 PM (+HAu2)
Hey fellas!!
Did Ace finally get into Ricky's pants last night???
Posted by: Rick Perry Homosexual Fan Club@ AoSHQ at August 28, 2011 06:20 PM (hKi42)
Ace weren't you going to ban this asswipe? He's the dumbfuck that sockpuppetted you when Perry announced.
Posted by: buzzion at August 28, 2011 02:24 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2011 02:26 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: BumperStickerist at August 28, 2011 02:26 PM (h6mPj)
Posted by: SGT Dan at August 28, 2011 06:14 PM (VZyOx) I kinda touched upon this in a post yesterday. I think people are missing/underestimating the cougar angle here. I need more time to think it through, but I'm hoping this thing dies down first so I don't have to think about it. The big picture: if Perry walks into a Girl Scout convention wearing just a raincoat and proceeds to open it up and jiggle Perry Junior in front of a screaming audience, I'm still voting for him if the other choice is Barak Obama. Not much more to say...
Posted by: joejm65 at August 28, 2011 02:27 PM (UZuc4)
>>>I made that promise. I put that on the line.
Which reminds me, Ace...you got a long line of people to please.
I sure hope you have a dental dam.
Posted by: Jeff B. at August 28, 2011 02:28 PM (D9z3D)
You mean Robert? Until his girlfriend (sorry, but that's really the only reason I see him going into crazy town) wanted to make a big splash, he supported Khan and publicly proclaimed him to be a moderate.
Posted by: Lauren at August 28, 2011 02:29 PM (ghJ2e)
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2011 02:29 PM (nj1bB)
You ignore Spencer endorsed and vouched for the Khan to Perry.
Posted by: Dick Nixon at August 28, 2011 02:29 PM (KM0sz)
Posted by: Jingo at August 28, 2011 02:30 PM (mdwWR)
the Routinely Purchased Bank Mystery....
If it weren't for those meddling kids Joooos and their Mystery Van, I would have gotten away with it!
Posted by: The Aga Kahn at August 28, 2011 02:30 PM (dkLGh)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 28, 2011 02:31 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at August 28, 2011 02:31 PM (+61wI)
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2011 02:32 PM (nj1bB)
*not you Willow
Posted by: Beth at August 28, 2011 02:32 PM (kBxk7)
576 I made that promise. I put that on the line.
And ace is yet to walk it back. Or deliver.
Ace of Spades: Homo Menace or Homo Dick-tease?
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at August 28, 2011 06:31 PM (+61wI)
Ace won't do it, but I hear Chad Winklefarb might.
Posted by: buzzion at August 28, 2011 02:33 PM (GULKT)
So, is the big macho Texan guy OK with Jihad? I seriously doubt it. But if he went to public school and learned as little as I did about Islam and then did not spend years after 9-11 self-educating about it, then he might be a bit naive about the subject. Does that make Perry a Dhimmi? No. Is it nice to call him that? I'd like to hear what he has to say about it first. Something that always seems to be missing in these type of shit-throwing discussions. Would I still vote for him over Obama? Oh, Hell Yes.
Is the Aga Khan a secret jihadist prosetilyzer? Doubt it. There's way worse ones out there. They do exist, contrary to what Beth seems to think. He's spreading the good word about Islam, that's just what the ones with money do. Kinda like Mormons. Ring that doorbell. Some versions are violent, some aren't. Sounds like Khan's probably isn't. HOWEVER.
Should it be taught in high school? Why not, if done objectively and balanced with a discussion of the more political aspects of Islam and the motivations for violent Jihad, which do exist and still, even though we get more info about Lindsay Lohans underwear, or lack thereof, on any given day than we do about Islam's bloody borders across the globe, I don't think the two can be separated. If my time in school is any measure, that kind of perspective is sorely lacking. Of all the religions, Islam is the most political. That can't be ignored. Does Khan's curriculum address this issue honestly? Not in my opinion thus far but I haven't seen the whole thing. And neither, I suspect, have you.
Posted by: Cornfused Yet Again at August 28, 2011 02:33 PM (AyzfE)
No, this is not right at all (unless you're making some sort of arch-Swiftian po-faced statement here). This is not what they're thinking at all. They either 1.) genuinely believe this bullshit; 2.) don't believe it but are Andrew Sullivanesque in their "any weapon at hand" approach to attacking someone they don't like, or who politically threatens someone they do like.
That's why they do this. There isn't any sort of "oh, I'm proving a larger point!" logic going on here.
Posted by: Jeff B. at August 28, 2011 02:33 PM (D9z3D)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 28, 2011 02:33 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 28, 2011 02:35 PM (bxiXv)
Empire, I've actually made good on it eight times today.
One more time and you are officially teh gay.
Posted by: garrett at August 28, 2011 02:35 PM (dkLGh)
Edward Said ring a bell? Perry had a hand in furthering this kind of rot and should answer for it.
Posted by: november1981 at August 28, 2011 02:36 PM (+HAu2)
Empire, I've actually made good on it eight times today.
One more time and you are officially teh gay.
Posted by: garrett at August 28, 2011 06:35 PM (dkLGh)
Actually, seven less times makes him officially teh gay....
Posted by: joejm65 at August 28, 2011 02:37 PM (UZuc4)
Oooh, we have a mind-reader! The mind-reader is broken, though. But that's okay because I really don't give a shit what kooks who apparently can't read think. xoxo
Posted by: Beth at August 28, 2011 02:37 PM (kBxk7)
Have you contacted him? Or are you going to push a proven liar like Pam and use her for your thoughts?
No offense, but fuck off.
Posted by: Dick Nixon at August 28, 2011 02:39 PM (KM0sz)
O RLY? What the hell would you even begin to know about Jurgen Habermas? Seriously now, that's just a name someone's regurgitated to you. Frankfurt School? The nearest you've ever come to familiarity with the Frankfurt school is probably reading the titles of some of Adorno's books.
None of this is particularly relevant save that, as someone who actually is well-read in this particular area, I am constantly amused at the way various cranks misuse it to affect a patina of intellectual sophistication. You're not fooling anyone.
Posted by: Jeff B. at August 28, 2011 02:39 PM (D9z3D)
I gotta say, Aggie Khan is damn funny.
BTW, who is the Pat women, err dude, err person?
Posted by: toby928™ at August 28, 2011 02:40 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: november1981 at August 28, 2011 06:36 PM (+HAu2)
No, it is generic Global History pap. Don't overcomplicate things.
Posted by: Mr. Rogers Practices Taqiyya at August 28, 2011 02:40 PM (8Zpuz)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 28, 2011 02:41 PM (bxiXv)
NO DOOD ITS A MARCUSIAN PLOT. "LONG MARCH THROUGH THE INSTITUTIONS" I KNOW CUZ I READ ABOUT IT AT WORLDNETDAILY.
Posted by: Jeff B. at August 28, 2011 02:41 PM (D9z3D)
Posted by: Beth at August 28, 2011 02:42 PM (kBxk7)
Well, there is no way in god's green earth that Palin's operatives are unaware of this. None. Rebecca Mansour was a long-time Hot Air commenter. She certainly knows all about Pamela's blog.
I'm pretty fed up with Palin and her crew.
Posted by: Y-not at August 28, 2011 02:42 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at August 28, 2011 02:42 PM (TATbF)
Google the phrase "Keeping the jew bankers rich" and check out the top RedState link. That's a good rundown right there, and if you click on some of the links in that post there's even more.
Posted by: Jeff B. at August 28, 2011 02:42 PM (D9z3D)
Straight Outta Frankfurt is probably the best album ever put out by NWO (New World Order).
Posted by: Jeff B. at August 28, 2011 02:44 PM (D9z3D)
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at August 28, 2011 02:44 PM (8Zpuz)
Posted by: Fritz at August 28, 2011 02:44 PM (YhI7X)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 28, 2011 02:45 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Beth at August 28, 2011 02:45 PM (kBxk7)
Second, however, I hate to disabuse the gellerpuppets out there, but being informed about something does not mean you have been subsumed into its mind-collective. Otherwise, having recently re-read several excellent texts on Byzantine History, with their inevitable discursions into Arianism, monophysitism and iconoclasm, I would be an hopeless schizophrenic.
"To defeat the bug, we must first understand the bug" --Skymarshal Tahatmaru
Posted by: TH at August 28, 2011 02:45 PM (rvJrw)
>>>I'm pretty fed up with Palin and her crew.
Wow, really? I actually had no idea
Rebecca Mansour is a deeply disturbing character, by the way. Was she really a Hot Air commenter? I'd love to see some of what she wrote. She's everything that needs to be kept out of politics, including (I hate to say it, but dear lord it's true) the hideous obesity.
Posted by: Jeff B. at August 28, 2011 02:46 PM (D9z3D)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at August 28, 2011 03:32 PM (vzFJV)
Brevity and profanity available on request.
Posted by: Captain Hate at August 28, 2011 02:47 PM (UMH09)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 28, 2011 02:48 PM (bxiXv)
I've been around the net for about 6 years. Used to post over at RightwingNews til the threads went to hell. Czech and I go way back over there.
Posted by: Dick Nixon at August 28, 2011 02:48 PM (l0bCe)
She was Ramrocks, JeffB, at least that was her nick in the lead up to the election.
I'm not saying Palin is directing this, but I do think she's aware of it.
Posted by: Y-not at August 28, 2011 02:49 PM (5H6zj)
You keep lecturing people like WE DON'T ALL KNOW THIS SHIT.
So you admit that the kind of subterfuge that I'm accusing the Khan of engaging in has been going on around the country for quite some time. That's good on you, because it seems many here don't want to address that at all. Where we seem to disagree is whether or not the Khan himself is up to it and how much if any that Perry has to anwer for in this. Either way you think I should shut up about it, cause it's divisive n'shit.
There were all sorts of questions about C'OD and her past that she spent some time answering for- Rick Perry should do the same. If he makes a good case, he'll be stronger for it.
Did I mention that this does not necessarily put me off of voting for him? I've always thought he was more hat than cattle, but was never outright against him like I am Romney. Some pretty well-known figures on the Right have made a case against him- let him answer the charges.
Posted by: november1981 at August 28, 2011 02:50 PM (+HAu2)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 28, 2011 02:51 PM (bxiXv)
>>Rebecca Mansour is a deeply disturbing character, by the way.
That is the understatement of the year. She makes me think of that chick who killed Selena. Scary.
Posted by: Beth at August 28, 2011 02:51 PM (kBxk7)
Seriously. Are you fucking brain dead?
Posted by: Dick Nixon at August 28, 2011 02:51 PM (l0bCe)
She was Ramrocks, JeffB, at least that was her nick in the lead up to the election.
I'm not saying Palin is directing this, but I do think she's aware of it.
Posted by: Y-not at August 28, 2011 06:49 PM (5H6zj)
I see. Sounds pretty likely to me.
Another reminder of how I learned not to read the comments at Hot Air.
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at August 28, 2011 02:52 PM (8Zpuz)
Did I mention that this does not necessarily put me off of voting for him? I've always thought he was more hat than cattle, but was never outright against him like I am Romney. Some pretty well-known figures on the Right have made a case against him- let him answer the charges.
Posted by: november1981 at August 28, 2011 06:50 PM (+HAu2)
Except numbnuts if they are charges as such that you allege they can be answered simply by "those are lies" because you have posted lies about this multiple times, so there's no need to go beyond the fact that you are full of shit and its not worth responding further.
Posted by: buzzion at August 28, 2011 02:56 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: Jaynie59 at August 28, 2011 02:56 PM (4zKCA)
...and you O'Donnell dopes cried like babies incessantly about it. So since she had "questions" everyone else has to go through the gauntlet? Really? That's what you want for all candidates? Because a fucking unqualified unemployed lying professional political candidate had legitimate questions rather than wild accusations made against her? And when stupid shit came up like at Gawker, even people who dislike her (like me) and people who HATE her (libs) defended her?
Really? This is about Christine O'Donnell??? Jesus fucking wept.
Posted by: Beth at August 28, 2011 02:58 PM (kBxk7)
Ok, this is just stupid. Perry is the polar opposite of this caricature. Unlike a lot of people in Texas politics *cough* Big Bad John Cornyn *cough* Perry is definitely the real deal.
Posted by: Lauren at August 28, 2011 02:58 PM (ghJ2e)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 28, 2011 02:59 PM (bxiXv)
Chemjeff- they could start with the writings of Winston Churchill, then go on to Snouck Hurgronje, and yes even Robert Spencer. The first lesson could focus on the defintions of the terms "taqiyya" and "kitman" and the history and methods of their use. There is a very long and rich tradition of Western Orientalism for our schools to dip into.
Absolutely no need to hire muslims to guide the Infidel kids in the instruction of Islam.
Posted by: november1981 at August 28, 2011 04:15 PM (+HAu2)
So november1981's recommendations include (a) an officer in a British imperialist army seeking to pacify Muslims in the Empire; (b) a Dutch scholar from 100 years ago who studied INDONESIA, far removed from the current conflict zone surrounding Islam, and (c) Mr. "Dhimmi-around-every-corner" Spencer.Really?
And precisely what would be wrong with asking a Muslim to teach about the history of Islam?
And nobody is suggesting that kids should receive "instruction in Islam", but to learn about its legitimate role in world history.
Posted by: Gam Peller at August 28, 2011 03:00 PM (s7mIC)
Based on the drivel you post, your ability to think is rather limited. However, you can cut and paste from a hatchet job with the best of them.
Posted by: Dick Nixon at August 28, 2011 03:00 PM (l0bCe)
Posted by: chemjeff at August 28, 2011 03:03 PM (s7mIC)
Posted by: WillOTP at August 28, 2011 03:03 PM (9suBn)
Posted by: Lana at August 28, 2011 03:03 PM (2cVan)
Posted by: Beth at August 28, 2011 03:04 PM (kBxk7)
Mostly this:
510 #505 - I don't think anyone is reading your stupid bleats any more....Fuck off.
In response to this:
505 People here are failing to ask what motivates the Aga Khan to be setting up foundations to guide the coursework on Islam for kafir children............Pluralism always means Islam, if you haven't noticed.
Which is a complete dismissal of the argument based on a dislike for the person. She hates Nov1981, therefore, every point made by Nov1981 is a priori bullshit. I'm just pointing out that it isn't.
Nothing like killing the messenger and ignoring the message.
Posted by: Cornfused Yet Again at August 28, 2011 03:04 PM (AyzfE)
I'm just asking questions! DON'T TAZE ME BRO
Posted by: Truther, I Mean, Dedicated Opponent of Islam at August 28, 2011 03:04 PM (8Zpuz)
Posted by: BumperStickerist at August 28, 2011 03:05 PM (h6mPj)
Posted by: Beth at August 28, 2011 03:05 PM (kBxk7)
Posted by: Cornfused Yet Again at August 28, 2011 07:04 PM (AyzfE)
It is, on further examination. Pluralism, huh. This is just like the cultural lens. Next thing you know someone will namedrop "deconstructivism."
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at August 28, 2011 03:08 PM (8Zpuz)
Posted by: Beth at August 28, 2011 03:08 PM (kBxk7)
YES.
Although I don't know if I would call Beck a true paranoid, I think he brings up a lot of nonsense sometimes just for the ratings and the lulz, but not necessarily because he believes all of it.
But I can distinctly remember, back in the 80's, when a "normal person" described themselves as a Democrat, they would often quickly add "...but I'm not one of those crazy anti-nuke people". Nowadays it seems that if we identify ourselves as Republican in mixed company, we are the ones who have to add the disclaimer of "...but I'm not one of those crazy Birthers", etc., or insert your own flavor of paranoia as appropriate.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 28, 2011 03:09 PM (s7mIC)
Posted by: Beth at August 28, 2011 03:11 PM (kBxk7)
My god. I think I gave this guy swirlies in HS.
Posted by: toby928™ at August 28, 2011 03:12 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: Chuckit at August 28, 2011 07:09 PM (5adzb)
Those are Muslim jugs, aren't they? Dhimmi bastard.
Posted by: Robert Spencer at August 28, 2011 03:14 PM (8Zpuz)
I've always thought he was more hat than cattle
HE WAS BORN ON A RANCH, YOU FUCKING IDIOT.
Dumbass. You LOSE. This is the reason you're not wanted here. Not only are you a douchebag, you're a STUPID douchebag.
The only thing believable coming out of your mouth would be Charles Johnson's cock, lackwit.
Kill yourself. Do it now.
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at August 28, 2011 03:14 PM (lGFXF)
Posted by: Y-not at August 28, 2011 06:42 PM (5H6zj)
Ehh, I'd like to see some connection before I get too upset. I could go either "tacit approval" or "oh God don't mention them" at this point.
I preferred Palin as sniper/kingmaker, but I think that's falling apart.
Things falls apart, the center cannot hold, yadda yadda... what rough beast shambles yadda yadda...
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 28, 2011 06:45 PM (bxiXv)
I will also be prepared to entertain the notion this all originated in Palin's camp.
As soon as I see some evidence.
Posted by: Ace's liver at August 28, 2011 03:16 PM (1+XRG)
Meh, Geller and Spencer are not exactly serving the anti-jihadist course with such nonsense. But people should keep in mind that violence isnt the only problem when it comes to Islam. Even an islamic agenda pursued by peaceful means would be an agenda antithetical to liberty.
But that this is taken out on Perry is simply ridiculous and makes them look nuts.
Posted by: Elize Nayden at August 28, 2011 03:16 PM (b9aNH)
From Perry's website, here's a speech he gave heaping praise upon the Aga:
Your Highness, on behalf of 23 million Texans, and over 600,000 thousand Muslims living in Texas, I extend our heartfelt appreciation for your 50 years of great international leadership.
http://tinyurl.com/3v4oxhu
I'd like to know how Perry became acquainted with the Khan, and more about the nature of their relationship and if Perry had any discussions with the Khan about his beliefs and mission, and if Perry ever had plans to enter into any kind of partnership with him to further that. Apparently, Perry visited one of the Khan's centers while on a trip to Pakistan. I'd like to know more about Perry's relationship with the greater Ismaili community.
I'd like to know more about that trip and what passport Perry traveled on.
Posted by: november1981 at August 28, 2011 03:19 PM (+HAu2)
Posted by: Beth at August 28, 2011 03:21 PM (kBxk7)
Posted by: november1981 at August 28, 2011 07:19 PM (+HAu2)
I'm just asking questions.
Posted by: Truther, I Mean, Dedicated Opponent of Islam at August 28, 2011 03:21 PM (8Zpuz)
Posted by: willow at August 28, 2011 03:24 PM (h+qn8)
I'd also like to know if those young Texans were vaccinated with Gardasil during those Islamic training sessions- also were they allowed to petition for an "opt-out" on the course?
Yeah, I joke. Just let Perry be Perry and answer a few questions. No needles involved.
Posted by: november1981 at August 28, 2011 03:24 PM (+HAu2)
Fuck me. Perry birtherism? See guys...how do we know he was born in that little Texas Town? I'm just askin' questions!
Posted by: Lauren at August 28, 2011 03:24 PM (ghJ2e)
Well their enemies are terrorists and douchebags like LGF and CAIR.
Even if you DO have enemies, paranoia will eventually destroy your sanity and grip on reality.
Soon everyone looks like an enemy and the preemptive strike is SOP.
Posted by: I don't know WHO I am anymore at August 28, 2011 03:25 PM (iniPz)
Posted by: BumperStickerist at August 28, 2011 03:27 PM (h6mPj)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 28, 2011 03:28 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: JackStraw at August 28, 2011 03:28 PM (TMB3S)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 28, 2011 03:31 PM (bxiXv)
He obviously traveled on a passport issued by the Frankfurt School, you fucking moron.
Posted by: Jeff B. at August 28, 2011 03:32 PM (D9z3D)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 28, 2011 03:32 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: CAIR at August 28, 2011 03:33 PM (mQMnK)
Posted by: JAQ at August 28, 2011 03:35 PM (ghJ2e)
HE WAS BORN ON A RANCH, YOU FUCKING IDIOT.
EoJ, haven't you heard of the expression "big hat no cattle"? I think that is what is being referenced here, not Perry's birth circumstances.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 28, 2011 03:35 PM (s7mIC)
Posted by: Drooling Idiot at August 28, 2011 03:36 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: The Aga Khan Development Network (AKDN) at August 28, 2011 03:37 PM (GTbGH)
Fine, Jack. That's your answer- I'd like to hear Rick's. By answering my question you've at least acknowledged it's one legitimate to ask. So we've established that I'm not just trolling. But I think you're remarkably incurious and quick to downplay some questionable associations of a prospective Commander in Chief. I'd like to have a bit of vetting before I decide on the guy.
Posted by: november1981 at August 28, 2011 03:37 PM (+HAu2)
Posted by: TH at August 28, 2011 03:39 PM (rvJrw)
Posted by: Rick Perry, Gay Communist Muslim at August 28, 2011 03:39 PM (s7mIC)
Posted by: chemjeff at August 28, 2011 03:41 PM (s7mIC)
So because Obama wasn't asked tough questions about his association with Ayers, the "Jihad Perry" crowd thinks that equally tough questions ought to be asked of Perry and his supposedly shady connections.
The difference is, Ayers is an admitted terrorist and scumbag, while the Aga Khan is an invented terrorist.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 28, 2011 03:44 PM (s7mIC)
Posted by: Drooling Idiot at August 28, 2011 03:44 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Drooling Idiot at August 28, 2011 03:48 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 28, 2011 03:48 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: JackStraw at August 28, 2011 03:49 PM (TMB3S)
HE WAS BORN ON A RANCH, YOU FUCKING IDIOT.
Posted by: chemjeff
Perry's birthplace happens to be Paint Creek, Texas -- a major center of Islamic learning.
Sort of the Qom of Haskell County.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 28, 2011 03:49 PM (EeYDk)
Posted by: Bevel lemelisk at August 28, 2011 03:49 PM (uhAkr)
It's the sixth holiest site in Islam.
Posted by: toby928™ at August 28, 2011 03:51 PM (GTbGH)
I don't have to prove any case against the Khan, or establish the true nature of Perry's relationship with him. Any more than those on the Right had to prove the diabolical nature of the Obama/Ayers connection. Any more than the Senate Commitee that had to approve Eric Holder as Attorney General had to prove that Holder knowingly committed crimes with his involvement in the Mark Rich pardon.
It's a matter of vetting someone before you vote on them. Whether or not allegations can be proven beyond doubt, the inquiry should be enough to establish whether on not one trusts someone enough to vote for them.
As far as the Khan, I'll continue to make my case against him if I'm allowed, but as far as proving to myself who and what he is- I think I can be pretty sure about what he's up to because I've seen it a hundred times before. It all fits into a pattern. Imam Ralph, Tariq Ramadan, Abu bin Bubbi al Jalopy- do we need to build a rock solid case against each one? Or can we notice a very obvious pattern and then go from there? I feel I'm pretty clear on the Aga Khan- it's Perry that I still have questions about.
Perry's in the process of being vetted for the job he's applying for. Some legitimate questions have been raised about one of his associations- let him answer them.
Posted by: november1981 at August 28, 2011 03:53 PM (+HAu2)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at August 28, 2011 03:54 PM (0yt4x)
again, Punching Down. Perry will no more take note of this than he will address the secret homo bs.
Posted by: toby928™ at August 28, 2011 03:55 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: november1981 at August 28, 2011 07:53 PM (+HAu2)
Um, no, there are no legitimate questions that have been raised. This is just ridiculous.
Posted by: Bevel lemelisk at August 28, 2011 03:57 PM (uhAkr)
Posted by: november1981 at August 28, 2011 07:53 PM (+HAu2)
Well said.
Posted by: Joe McCarthy at August 28, 2011 03:58 PM (8Zpuz)
Coincidence?
Posted by: Dick Nixon at August 28, 2011 07:54 PM (l0bCe)
A legitimate question that has been raised. He should actively prove he isn't Andrew Sullivan.
Posted by: Bevel lemelisk at August 28, 2011 03:58 PM (uhAkr)
Perry's birthplace happens to be Paint Creek, Texas -- a major center of Islamic learning.
It's the sixth holiest site in Islam.
Posted by: toby928
Paint Creek was the last stop on the Night Journey of the Prophet Muhammad PBUH.
His magic winged white mule drank deeply of the cool waters of Lake Stamford.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 28, 2011 04:01 PM (EeYDk)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at August 28, 2011 04:05 PM (0yt4x)
Let's find out ,shall we? He's chums with our possible next President- what kind of access to the White House would he enjoy? A lot of people would like to know who he is and what he'd be doing there. This could be fun!
And JackStraw- It matters not one iota what a great Christian Rick Perry is. So was Bush, supposedly. But his circle was included outright Islamists and he engage in some of the most shameless Islamopandering. I'm not going to enable that by voting for it again.
I pointed out what is obvious while you continue to look for deeper, darker motives.
You could say I've got a litmus test- he's got to prove he's not a stuttering clusterfark. It's all part of the defense of Liberty, my friend. Don't tread on it.
I'd like to take a closer look at Perry through my own "cultural lens".
Posted by: november1981 at August 28, 2011 04:07 PM (+HAu2)
Posted by: Durka at August 28, 2011 04:08 PM (QjrRF)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 28, 2011 04:09 PM (bxiXv)
-Posted by: toby928
Have a read through that speech I linked above that Perry delivered on the Aga Khan. If you think questions about his relationship with that man are on same level as the homo accusations, then you're just a shill.
Posted by: november1981 at August 28, 2011 04:11 PM (+HAu2)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at August 28, 2011 04:12 PM (l9zgN)
Let's find out ,shall we? He's chums with our possible next President- what kind of access to the White House would he enjoy? A lot of people would like to know who he is and what he'd be doing there. This could be fun!
But the only reason you want to put the Aga Khan under the microscope is because you think he's a scary Muslim wanna-be terrorist.
But you don't KNOW he's a scary Muslim wanna-be terrorist, so that's why you want to put him under the microscope.
I think there is a word for this phenomenon... hmm what is the word...
Posted by: chemjeff at August 28, 2011 04:13 PM (s7mIC)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 28, 2011 04:16 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: JackStraw at August 28, 2011 04:16 PM (TMB3S)
Posted by: Durka at August 28, 2011 04:17 PM (QjrRF)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 28, 2011 04:17 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Crusaders Offended by the Comparison at August 28, 2011 04:18 PM (bxiXv)
BTW - Speaking of punching down, Pamela Geller's Saturday post over at atlasshruggeds2000 with her side of this mix-up has all of 27 comments.
Over here -- 700.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 28, 2011 04:20 PM (EeYDk)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 28, 2011 04:22 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at August 28, 2011 04:24 PM (vzFJV)
I think it probably take less to get on the Terror Watch-list than what we already know about the Aga Khan. If you're a prominent muslim who uses his immense fortune to push Pluralism and Islam to American school children and buy influence with prominent politicians and you want to convince me that you're my friend- let's just say that the deck is stacked against you.
Are you aware of the circumstantial case that the Bush Administration used to deny the Islamic scholar Tariq Ramadan entry to the United States? I'm not sure if it was more or less substantial than the case that could be made against the Aga, but Secretary of State Clinton thought it was flimsy enough to overturn the ban and allow him in.
This isn't a game. Or a pissing match. It has to do with an informed citizenry exercising due diligence. The Khan is a man of great wealth. Have you not wondered where he got it?
Posted by: november1981 at August 28, 2011 04:24 PM (+HAu2)
Perry didn't merely meet with the Aga Khan -- he praised "His Highness" to the skies in a speech that's on his (Perry's) website.
That's quite enough to damn Perry in my eyes. We're coming up on the 10th anniversary of 911 for God's sake. Surely, by now, we can find a "conservative" with more elementary intelligence about Islam than this. And if we can't, that explains in a nutshell why the entire West continues to remain myopic to the dangers of Islam.
I.e., the problem is obviously not merely "Leftists", if even the vast majority of "Conservatives" remain clueless.
Yeah, "Ismailis" are "moderates". And I have a flagrantly visibly broken-down bridge to sell Perry voters for a billion dollars.
Posted by: Hesperado at August 28, 2011 04:26 PM (LA4aJ)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 28, 2011 04:26 PM (bxiXv)
Ridiculous bulge in my pants, here.
Posted by: november1981 at August 28, 2011 04:27 PM (+HAu2)
Posted by: troyriser at August 28, 2011 04:27 PM (YCeSE)
Well I assumed he got it by by beheading Christians and taking their money. You know, because of all the documented evidence of him slaughtering Christians and taking their money.
Posted by: Bevel lemelisk at August 28, 2011 04:28 PM (uhAkr)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 28, 2011 04:31 PM (bxiXv)
Well, I realize Gov. Palin is not directing Gellar's actions (well, I certainly assume she's not) but she surely is aware of the sorts of crazy accusations being flung at Perry (and others) on her behalf. You'd think she'd make a phone call and say "you're not helping." Or something.
The sooner Palin gets off the fence with her candidacy decision, the better.
Posted by: Y-not at August 28, 2011 05:56 PM (5H6zj)
This shit has nothing to do wirth Palin. It's about Geller's complete batshit phobia about anything Muslim.
If you're going to support Perry, you better get used to teh crazy that's going to be flung at him.
Posted by: Steph at August 28, 2011 04:31 PM (Qz3vR)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at August 28, 2011 04:34 PM (vzFJV)
THAT'S HIS TITLE. What is he supposed to call him, "Dude"? I bet when he meets with with Queen Elizabeth, he'll call her "Your Majesty" instead of "Hey, chick".
Posted by: chemjeff at August 28, 2011 04:36 PM (s7mIC)
I shed a single tear, tiny person who lives in my flatscreen.
Nonetheless, nothing will come of this. You can take that to the Habib Bank.
Posted by: toby928™ Shill at August 28, 2011 04:37 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: november1981 at August 28, 2011 08:27 PM (+HAu2)
Finally, you post something believable. I'm sure it is ridiculous.
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at August 28, 2011 04:38 PM (lGFXF)
You do know that the Aga Khan is the supposed blood descendant of The Old Man of the Mountain- Hassan I Sabah, hetman of the Hashishin, the original political terrorist who himself is considered by Ismailis to be the blood descendant of the profett Mo? You're not the least bit curious as to the nature of the relationship he has with a prospective US President?
The Hashishin were allied for a time with the Kingdom of Jerusalem under the Franks, and had close relations with the Knights Templar. The Hashishin engaged many times with the infidel Franks against other muslims- when it was in their interest, they turned on the Franks at last. Read Runciman's multi-volume study on the Crusades. It pays to watch your friends closely- sometimes especially the Moderate ones.
Me, I'm just eatin some pizza and talkin some history.
Posted by: november1981 at August 28, 2011 04:40 PM (+HAu2)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 28, 2011 04:42 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 28, 2011 04:45 PM (bxiXv)
So far, it seems the evidence against the Aga Khan is that he's related to somebody dead who was an asshole ... and he's suspiciously wealthy for somebody born into a fuckload of money.
Posted by: Merovign
So -- he's a Kennedy?
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 28, 2011 04:47 PM (EeYDk)
Posted by: Go Down Together AudioBook at August 28, 2011 04:48 PM (iCHcv)
You couldn't hang a hat on that. -Merovign
But that was pretty much all Bush had to deny Ramadan entry to the US. Of course, not nearly enough to indict him in court, but enough to know he should use his power to keep him out.
We don't have to be proving a case against each one- it's enough to notice the pattern and use your best judgment. Remember- we don't always have to wait for them to show their true face before we act in our defense. That was an aspect of the Bush Doctrine.
I know enough about the Khan to know not to be seen pallin around with him in public. In this case, Perry should have thought twice about getting so close, much less to be involved in projects with the guy, and should not be surprised that people are asking him questions about it.
Posted by: november1981 at August 28, 2011 04:50 PM (+HAu2)
You do know that the Aga Khan is the supposed blood descendant of The Old Man of the Mountain- Hassan I Sabah, hetman of the Hashishin, the original political terrorist who himself is considered by Ismailis to be the blood descendant of the profett Mo?
Oh, my God! It all makes perfect sense, now!
Okay, no it doesn't. Probably was just some gas.
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at August 28, 2011 04:52 PM (lGFXF)
Do you have evidence that the Aga Khan is taking fifteen year old boys and getting them drugged out of their minds until they become fanatic assassins for him?
Me, I'm just eatin some pizza and talkin some history.
You talk history like a baby mimicking adults. What happened eight hundred years ago isn't some kind of blueprint into a current leader's mind. Too much has changed. Trying to claim the Aga Khan will behave like someone from eight hundred years ago is like claiming that we can look at the decisions of Napoelon and divine what Sarkozy will do because they were both French. It's simplistic and stupid to an extreme.
Posted by: Bevel lemelisk at August 28, 2011 04:52 PM (uhAkr)
november 1981, you are nucking futts. If you're so intent on taking down Perry, you got a long way to go. This isn't going to get you anywhere near.
Jeebers, the run-up to the primaries is going to be fun. NOT.
Posted by: Steph at August 28, 2011 04:52 PM (Qz3vR)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 28, 2011 04:52 PM (bxiXv)
Like what? What do you know about him?
C'mon, just say it: because he's a filthy Muslim.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 28, 2011 04:53 PM (s7mIC)
Who's asking?
Posted by: toby928™ Shill at August 28, 2011 04:54 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: JackStraw at August 28, 2011 04:55 PM (TMB3S)
Apparently they didn't look back to the 13th century. That's where all the dirt is.
Posted by: Bevel lemelisk at August 28, 2011 04:56 PM (uhAkr)
If you're so intent on taking down Perry, you got a long way to go. This isn't going to get you anywhere near.
Oh, no! By all means - please continue. I hope Geller gets a shitload of press.
Because there's nothing more I'd like to see right now than to have Pamela Geller's irrelevant ass raked through the fucking muck.
Be careful where you swing your giant Cock of Liberty, superdouche.
Because every titty vlog, every bikini screencap, that Supergirl titty-strutty banner pic that Leathertits has so meticulously scrubbed from her site?
ALL that shit is getting plastered across the internet again, homie. Fucking count on it. Do it, fucker. DO IT.
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at August 28, 2011 04:58 PM (lGFXF)
"THAT'S HIS TITLE. What is he supposed to call him, "Dude"? I bet when he meets with with Queen Elizabeth, he'll call her "Your Majesty" instead of "Hey, chick".
I wasn't so much objecting to Perry referring to the Aga Khan as "His Highness", but to the praise that saturates and oozes and drips down from his speech like maple syrup or worse effluvia.
Posted by: Hesperado at August 28, 2011 04:59 PM (ipE4z)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 28, 2011 05:02 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: basic bv at August 28, 2011 05:02 PM (bXs2k)
As a World History teacher in Texas I can tell you a few things:
1- the state gives you 18 school days to cover Ancient India, China, Greece and Rome.
2- the state gives you 23 school days to cover Islam (you can toss in Africa, too, if you want).
That's a total of 41 school days....I teach Islam in 1 day (really all year as we'll investigate the Islamo-Nazi's throughout the year via current events)...and then use the otehr 30-35 to cover Greece and Rome...You know..the TRUE foundations of Western Civilization...
Fuck those Islamo-Nazi's and the state YAG.....
Posted by: Dick Turpin at August 28, 2011 05:03 PM (ClLKu)
Posted by: Dick Turpin at August 28, 2011 09:03 PM (ClLKu)
That is interesting. Does the state make you spend all 23 days on Islam? And is it strictly Islam, or can you throw in things like, say, British colonial rule over Islamic areas and have that "count"?
Posted by: chemjeff at August 28, 2011 05:07 PM (s7mIC)
That's a total of 41 school days....I teach Islam in 1 day (really all year as we'll investigate the Islamo-Nazi's throughout the year via current events)...and then use the otehr 30-35 to cover Greece and Rome...You know..the TRUE foundations of Western Civilization...
Good thing you're not teaching math.
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at August 28, 2011 05:08 PM (lGFXF)
Anywho, in the context of the attitude of Ace of Spades himself (with his truculentt ambivalence (coming off as arrogant certitude) about the problem Islam resting apparently in the TMOEWATHI), in the distinctly PC MC edge to many of his supporters here, and in the high volume and dynamism of comments (even if, again, much of that dynamism is of questionable substance), I'm getting a distinctly Little-Green-Footballsish vibe here...
Posted by: Hesperado at August 28, 2011 05:08 PM (ipE4z)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 28, 2011 05:12 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: JackStraw at August 28, 2011 05:14 PM (TMB3S)
Well Jeff you do have to get in India and China, tough guy...so figure 6 days or so. I'll assume that you work somewhere and just take orders as opposed to figuring things out for yourself. So piss off you numpty.
Chemjeff- Yes, it is possible to toss in things like The Great Game (for Jeff that would be the struggle over control for Central Asia by UK and Russia)...BUT that is off the state scope and sequence..AND you'd take days away from Greece and Rome- and they are far more interesting.
Posted by: Dick Turpin at August 28, 2011 05:15 PM (ClLKu)
Posted by: JackStraw at August 28, 2011 09:14 PM (TMB3S)
The bottom of the barrel was the 'floating cross' accusation against Huckabee. This isn't quite that stupid, but it's close.
Posted by: Bevel lemelisk at August 28, 2011 05:17 PM (uhAkr)
It was I that initiated Hersperado into the forbidden world of White Supremacy, Bircherism, and the desire to put every muslim in the world into a death camp.
Go easy on him.
Posted by: Robert Spencer at August 28, 2011 05:18 PM (l0bCe)
Posted by: basic bv at August 28, 2011 05:19 PM (bXs2k)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at August 28, 2011 05:19 PM (ESdzV)
Posted by: Duke Lowell at August 28, 2011 05:19 PM (dKiGf)
"the problem of Islam resting apparently in the TMOEWATHI..."
That's my acronym for a disconcertingly common meme, even from within the ragged edges of the anti-Islam movement -- to wit: the Tiny Minority of Extremists Who Are Trying to Hijack Islam.
Regardless of a fudge factor on what constitutes "Tiny" (a million here, a million there, and soon we're talking a Real Problem), the meme has the same effect wherever it is purveyed: to save Islam itself from condemnation and any responsible association with the problems which Muslims are causing the world with their deranged hostility to modern human rights.
On the Learning Curve for the Problem of Islam, I'd plot Ace somewhere between the 80s Mullet and the Seinfeld Finale.
Posted by: Hesperado at August 28, 2011 05:20 PM (ipE4z)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 28, 2011 05:22 PM (bxiXv)
Well, then, there isn't much more to say. You're an idiot.
Posted by: Ace's liver at August 28, 2011 05:23 PM (1+XRG)
Wow, you're so brilliant to have picked up on that. However, let me point out one difference:
Ace: offers to suck your dick if you read his post
LGF: Bans you if you don't constantly suck Chas's dick.
Subtle, I know.
Posted by: Splunge at August 28, 2011 05:25 PM (2IW5Q)
Posted by: Hesperadodo at August 28, 2011 05:26 PM (l0bCe)
Posted by: Hesperado at August 28, 2011 05:28 PM (ipE4z)
Posted by: Charles "Ace" Johnson, Freak Hybrid at August 28, 2011 05:28 PM (s7mIC)
Posted by: Hesperadodo at August 28, 2011 05:28 PM (l0bCe)
By the way, this thread has gotten really fun in the past two hundred comments or so. I'm practically PROUD of Merovign and JackStraw and EoJ for the beatdown they're administering here. It's so fucking entertaining -- the best that moron-dom has to offer.
Let's all do the secret dhimmi handshake, guys!
Posted by: Jeff B. at August 28, 2011 05:30 PM (D9z3D)
Posted by: chemjeff at August 28, 2011 05:30 PM (s7mIC)
Posted by: basic bv at August 28, 2011 05:31 PM (bXs2k)
Posted by: chemjeff at August 28, 2011 05:32 PM (s7mIC)
Posted by: Charles "Ace" Johnson, Freak Hybrid at August 28, 2011 09:28 PM (s7mIC)
You can ban me, but first you will blow me.
Posted by: Mel Gibsom at August 28, 2011 05:33 PM (uhAkr)
Posted by: chemjeff at August 28, 2011 09:30 PM (s7mIC)
If he could be specific he wouldn't call it a "vibe".
Posted by: Ace's liver at August 28, 2011 05:33 PM (1+XRG)
Posted by: Hesperadodo at August 28, 2011 05:33 PM (l0bCe)
Posted by: Duke Lowell at August 28, 2011 05:34 PM (dKiGf)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at August 28, 2011 05:36 PM (ESdzV)
Oh, I'm pretty sure I know what the answer is going to be: we're attacking Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer, who are Truth Warriors shining a light on the evil hateful creeping Islamofellatio of dhimmis like Rick Perry. Just like Little Green Footballs!
That's it. That's the 'similarity.' As Ace pointed out, on this one thing -- and *just* this one thing -- it turns out that Chuckles Johnson actually WAS right: these people and their followers are psychopaths.
Posted by: Jeff B. at August 28, 2011 05:38 PM (D9z3D)
Posted by: Hesperadodo at August 28, 2011 09:33 PM (l0bCe)
I'LL BE THE JUDGE OF THAT! YOU CAN'T TRULY KNOW WHO A MAN IS UNTIL YOU INVESTIGATE HIM TO WITHIN AN INCH OF HIS LIFE! WE MUST DISCOVER WHO HESPERADO'S ASSOCIATES ARE! WE MUST FIND OUT HOW OFTEN HE'S BEEN CAUGHT LOITERING AROUND THE BOY'S LOCKER ROOM AT THE YMCA! OR EVEN IF HE HAS A YMCA MEMBERSHIP! THAT'S PROOF RIGHT THERE OF HIS EVIL PEDOPHILIC TENDENCIES! WE CAN'T KNOW TRULY WHO HE IS UNTIL WE RIP OUT HIS BEATING HEART AND DISSECT HIS SOUL!!!!
Posted by: chemjeff at August 28, 2011 05:39 PM (s7mIC)
Posted by: JackStraw at August 28, 2011 05:39 PM (TMB3S)
>>>and, for a moment, I had a great rack!
If there's one misconception that I regret has been propagated by this whole mess, it's not that the Aga Khan is a secret proponent of jihad, or that Ace is soft on terrorism...it's that Pamela Geller has a great rack.
Her rack is MEDIOCRE. At BEST. Size isn't everything. If I wanted a pair of leathery, half-deflated beachballs I'd root around in my attic for them and stuff them under my girlfriend's sweater to play pretend. Really now: those things probably have the look and consistency of beef jerky without the great taste.
Posted by: Jeff B. at August 28, 2011 05:44 PM (D9z3D)
Posted by: BumperStickerist at August 28, 2011 05:47 PM (h6mPj)
Hesperado at August 28, 2011 09:28 PM (ipE4z)
IRC, there's a commenter Hesperado over at Hot Air ... are you that Hesperado?
Posted by: Arbalest at August 28, 2011 05:48 PM (Sd30e)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at August 28, 2011 05:48 PM (ESdzV)
Posted by: JackStraw at August 28, 2011 05:49 PM (TMB3S)
FUCK YOU, FOREVER.
I clicked on that link. Don't anyone else make the same mistake.
Posted by: Jeff B. at August 28, 2011 05:51 PM (D9z3D)
His technique is MEDIOCRE. At BEST.
Posted by: toby928™ at August 28, 2011 05:52 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: JackStraw at August 28, 2011 09:49 PM (TMB3S)
ha. and I read ace's post and got not one darned thing ! Not even a promise of something, blast him!
Posted by: willow at August 28, 2011 05:55 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 28, 2011 05:55 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Israeli Tank at August 28, 2011 05:55 PM (h6mPj)
Now, if we on the Right can do the same type of vetting on Mr. Khan that the Bushies did on Ramadan, we'll probably find out some very interesting things. JackStraw has already brought forth some excellent background history on the Khan( can we just call him The Zohan from here on out?) I've added also from some of my own previous knowledge of the man and the sect that I'd gleaned from the work of Brion Gysin, Paul Bowles and Robert Anton Wilson. I would say that this ball is rolling.
Now I'd really like to know what this guy's doing in our country. I'm pretty sure he's not a citizen, so I'd like to know on what business he was let in and how this guy got such access to someone like the Governor of Texas. Who else among our political leaders does he have ties with?
Again, if Perry should be sent to the White House, would his relationship with the Khan continue- would Khan have such unfettered access to the president as, say, Dickie Trumka or Andy Stern? It's been put forward in this thread, that possibly Perry formed ties with Khan as part of some strategy of developing ties with "moderates" in an attempt to lure non-Sharia supporting US moslems away from the Islamic hardliners. If this was partly behind Perry's alliance with Khan, would he continue that policy as President. If something like this is true, then that would play a major part in whether I for one, would vote for Perry, because I feel that strategy is pure folly.
So, we see there are real questions here- a legitimate line of inquiry for voters to pursue in measuring up Rick Perry, the man, and what a Perry Administration would be about. People keep bringing up Robert Spencer's now attacking the Khan after he had seemed to endorse him some time ago. It would seem that you have scored a point with that. But I'm not interested in keeping scorecards in this tennis match.
I just want to know more about Rick Perry. And the Perry partizans here do themselves ,and Perry ultimately, a disservice when they begin to engage in holding actions that harken back to the Journolisters of '08 who stooped to any level in their attempts to scuttle the Ayers/Obama story.
Posted by: november1981 at August 28, 2011 05:55 PM (+HAu2)
Pursue away Don Quixote.
Posted by: toby928™ at August 28, 2011 05:58 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: BumperStickerist at August 28, 2011 05:58 PM (h6mPj)
I'm saddened that all this has occured, somewhat flumoxed at Why the Hit on Perry re; Agha Khan (from what i've read a moderate as we've been told they exist)
I have always liked Spencer and recognised His great work and determination to expose the bad guys , but this....
I admired Geller for her moxy, hadn't really read Her site enough to form a strong opinion , maybe it is one of those things where you become so involved in a topic and when you are the hammer , everything looks like the nail.
anyway i'm left baffled.
Posted by: willow at August 28, 2011 06:01 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 28, 2011 06:03 PM (bxiXv)
...
LGF: Bans you if you don't constantly suck Chas's dick."
Yes, there seems to be that difference. Any others?
Posted by: Hesperado at August 28, 2011 06:03 PM (ipE4z)
Hesperado at August 28, 2011 10:03 PM (ipE4z)
Retry. IIRC, there's a commenter Hesperado over at Hot Air ... are you that Hesperado?
Posted by: Arbalest at August 28, 2011 06:05 PM (Sd30e)
Over the years, I've been banned from Spencer's Jihad Watch four times. I wrote a blog dedicated to critiquing Spencer's flaws (yes -- he has flaws, as all humans, unlike Perry and Ace, have).
Posted by: Hesperado at August 28, 2011 06:06 PM (ipE4z)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 28, 2011 06:07 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 28, 2011 06:08 PM (bxiXv)
I already adverted to three things in my original comment on this. Other than that, I notice many Ace supporters chiming in with cautions about being too bigoted against Muslims. That is what smells most LGFish.
Posted by: Hesperado at August 28, 2011 06:08 PM (ipE4z)
It would depend upon how he answered. If he gave a response that put to rest the concerns that I have, then we would move on to the other issues. I think I said upthread, that what I know now about Perry's involvement with the Khan is not a deal-breaker. I need to learn more about it, and what Perry was thinking.
A Rick Perry "I'm not a Dhimmi... I'm you." commercial really would go some way to putting things right as far as I'm concerned.
And I'm definitely not singling out Perry for criticism on the Islam question. The level of disussion on Islam displayed by our political and chattering classes has been abominable- it started with Bush's Islam is a Religion of Peace and has just gotten worse. But the subject has just come up due to Perry's ties to the Khan, and it's now his time to address it.
The rest will be held accountable in due course.
Posted by: november1981 at August 28, 2011 06:09 PM (+HAu2)
Posted by: JackStraw at August 28, 2011 06:10 PM (TMB3S)
Posted by: basic bv at August 28, 2011 06:11 PM (bXs2k)
"You said that this place has the vibe of LGF. You also said that you've never even heard of this blog.
Guess what? That's unbelievable."
A vibe is a vibe. You walk into a club you've never been in before, and you can get a vibe about it. The vibe may or may not be accurate.
Another quality of this blog to add to the list that contribute to that vibe: acolytes ganging up like piranha smelling bloody tuna on anything that smells like criticism of their Leader.
(Of course, Jihad Watch has that same vibe, ironically.)
Posted by: Hesperado at August 28, 2011 06:12 PM (ipE4z)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 28, 2011 06:13 PM (bxiXv)
Because we shouldn't actually worry about being bigoted against Muslims -- we should be as bigoted as possible towards those fuckers, right? Do you even realize what you're saying? You're criticizing us for NOT being as prejudiced in the way that you think we should!
Holy shit!
Posted by: Jeff B. at August 28, 2011 06:15 PM (D9z3D)
Yo, knucklehead. I am not a Perry partisan. Ask around.
I'm just anti-dumbass.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 28, 2011 10:10 PM (TMB3S)
Yes, and you're getting damn embarrassing to the rest of us anti-dumbasses, with all your logic and what not.
Posted by: Ace's liver at August 28, 2011 06:16 PM (1+XRG)
Posted by: Hesperado at August 28, 2011 06:19 PM (ipE4z)
Because a vibe is based on how you feel instead of what is. Pardon us if we don't see how your feelings relate to this little corner of the blogosphere. You haven't been here long enough to know anything, and you're not bright enough to contribute, so you may as well keep moving.
Posted by: Ace's liver at August 28, 2011 06:19 PM (1+XRG)
Posted by: Abdominal Snowman at August 28, 2011 06:21 PM (qITqt)
Jihad Watch, by contrast, is much more sedate. Often one has to wait hours before one gets a response from another commenter. Here, it's lightning-fast. Too bad the quick reflexes here are so sophomoric and sophistical.
Posted by: Hesperado at August 28, 2011 06:23 PM (ipE4z)
Posted by: Jeff B. at August 28, 2011 06:24 PM (D9z3D)
Yeah, now that I've changed my way of thinking you're right come to think of it. I prefer the slow deliberate, more thoughtful pace of Geller and Spencer's commentariat to the rapid-fire, demotic chaos of this zoo. It's not that they have fewer readers than AoSHQ, it's just that their appeal is, a la Spinal Tap, more "selective."
Posted by: Jeff B. at August 28, 2011 06:26 PM (D9z3D)
Now you're getting it, old boy! I knew the Little Engine Could!
Posted by: Hesperado at August 28, 2011 06:26 PM (ipE4z)
Oh, I'm sorry. So what is an acceptable level of bigotry against Muslims, in your view?
Posted by: chemjeff at August 28, 2011 06:27 PM (s7mIC)
#810 H.
I remember a few of your posts at HA from a year or so ago, as "Hesperado" is a somewhat unusual nic. I thought I should ask, as I remember you as quite well respected there.
Anyway, there has been a series of trolls coming through. "november1981" being the current one, so there's blood in the water on the comment page and the Ace v. Geller/Spencer has a lot of people ... involved. Good luck.
Posted by: Arbalest at August 28, 2011 06:27 PM (Sd30e)
And it's "averred." Which would be the wrong word anyway. Ironically, "averted," which you mis-spelled, would be oddly appropriate, since it means "to turn away or to prevent."
Yes, "aver" is a word. So is "advert". The latter is used with the auxiliary "to". One "adverts to" something when one comments about something, or calls attention to something.
Look it up.
Posted by: Hesperado at August 28, 2011 06:30 PM (ipE4z)
Jihad Watch, by contrast, is much more sedate. Often one has to wait hours before one gets a response from another commenter. Here, it's lightning-fast. Too bad the quick reflexes here are so sophomoric and sophistical.
Posted by: Hesperado at August 28, 2011 10:23 PM (ipE4z)
Tell me how the hell do you manage to cram the substance of a marble into the rhetorical equivalent of a beachball? It's like you purposely set out to write like the most generic academic drone from my wildest nightmares.
Please lecture us more on how we can stop the sophomoric frat-boy humor and descend into your freshman "damn if the thesaurus isn't awesome" prose.
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at August 28, 2011 06:31 PM (8Zpuz)
What has Khan done to earn your mistrust?Posted by: chemjeff at August 28, 2011 10:01 PM
1) He's the head of the sect of the Ismailis. As such, he's believed to be a direct blood descendant of the profit Mohammed. That would make him a believing, practicing muslim, which irregardless of whatever sect he is a member of, means that he believes the Koran to be the actual words of Allah as delivered to Mo thru the angel Gabriel. The Koran commands muslims to engage in the spread of Islam until it rules the entire earth. It follows from what we've established above that Khan will devote some part of his life to the spread of Islam. There is also the traditions of the Prophet, the Hadith, which are stories gathered from eyewitnesses to the life of Mohammed and entered into the historical record which carry nearly the same weight as the Koran - these stories contain many instances of violence committed by Mo or instigated by him in the furtherence of Islam. The Hadith also contains a record as to what Mo thought of unbelievers and how muslims were to act towards. It's horrific. Any practicing muslim, no matter what sect, is to emulate the life and behaviour of mohammed as set out in the koran and hadith. From what's been established above, Khan, as a practicing muslim heeds the exhortations for every muslim emulate the life of the prophet. Just this is enough to make me initially distrust anyone who claims to be muslim, much less the leader of a sect numbering sixteen million who also happens to be considered the blood descendant of the prophet Mo.
2) The Aga Khan is a muslim who spends his immense wealth pushing Pluralism, and Islam to infidels in infidel lands. I am an enemy to both Pluralism and Islam.
3) I just don't like his face. I know, doesn't that suck? It's petty but I just can't get past it.
So you see, just going into court this guy's already got alot going against him. Hard to get out from under that. For me, it's case closed on the Aga. I'm more concerned about hearing from Perry himself, just what he was thinking when he began palling around with him, and his thoughts on the threat we face from a newly resurgent Islam today.
Posted by: november1981 at August 28, 2011 06:32 PM (+HAu2)
Posted by: Hesperado at August 28, 2011 10:26 PM (ipE4z)
Holy hell. We're clearly in violation of the Geneva Conventions Section VII Title II: engaged in a battle of wits with an unarmed man.
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at August 28, 2011 06:33 PM (8Zpuz)
And that's somehow a good thing?
Posted by: Lauren at August 28, 2011 06:33 PM (ghJ2e)
Well, I mean that settles it.
Posted by: Lauren at August 28, 2011 06:36 PM (ghJ2e)
You've read a lot of history, eh? Then you'd know America is often described as a pluralistic society.
Why the hell do you hate America?
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at August 28, 2011 06:36 PM (8Zpuz)
Posted by: JackStraw at August 28, 2011 06:36 PM (TMB3S)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 28, 2011 06:37 PM (bxiXv)
Indeed. He is 1) a Muslim, 2) rich as hell. Incidentally both are felonies. Wait a minute
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at August 28, 2011 06:40 PM (8Zpuz)
Posted by: november1981 at August 28, 2011 10:32 PM (+HAu2)
So, to summarize:
November1981 doesn't trust Aga Khan because:
1. He's a Muslim leader
2. He's a practicing Muslim
3. He's got an icky face.
Got it.
And so you believe that your concerns are so grievous, so troubling, that they rise to the level of disqualification? That he associates with a practicing Muslim leader with an ugly face?
God you people are nuts.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 28, 2011 06:40 PM (s7mIC)
Posted by: troyriser at August 28, 2011 06:41 PM (YCeSE)
So let me get this straight: your quarrel with the guy, the reason you think deserves a complete EXCAVATION of his life (not just a cursory inspection, but a full and thorough personal accounting) is 1.) he's a Muslim; 2.) he believes in pluralism.
Now the Founding Fathers believed in pluralism, and the idea of pluralism (i.e. everyone can believe what they want, and let's all agree not to fucking go to war with each other over it) is literally woven into the fabric of the American way of life since its very beginning, but you, the mighty crusader November1981, do not yourself PERSONALLY believe in this most uniquely American of concepts and therefore anyone else who does must be burned to the fucking ground.
Okay, so explain to me how you're not a bigot. Or at least please be honest: you are proud of your bigotry, and consider it a sensible bigotry that all Americans, were they awake to their true best interests, would share in. That's really what this is. You're angry at Rick Perry, and struck dumb with incomprehension when dealing with us, because you honestly just think that to be a Muslim is to be inherently suspicious and requiring investigation: there's no such thing as a non-dangerous Muslim, only good one is a dead one, blah blah blah & c.
Dude, just own it. You already have, in so many words, so you might as well stop caviling and come right out with it.
Posted by: Jeff B. at August 28, 2011 06:41 PM (D9z3D)
And so on. I'm telling you, man: gold, solid gold. I mean, hey, I'd watch it.
Posted by: troyriser at August 28, 2011 10:41 PM (YCeSE)
Absolutely. At least it's worth a pirate.
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at August 28, 2011 06:44 PM (8Zpuz)
Posted by: Jeff B. at August 28, 2011 06:46 PM (D9z3D)
Posted by: Jeff B. at August 28, 2011 10:41 PM (D9z3D)
Well, I just hope that Hesperado comes back and tells us what is the sensible amount of Muslim bigotry that we should tolerate lest we be branded as LGF-esque. I'm sure november1981's Muslim bigotry falls right in that sensible region of sensible Muslim bigotry.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 28, 2011 06:46 PM (s7mIC)
To wit:
"823 Often one has to wait hours before one gets a response from another commenter
And that's somehow a good thing?"
Where did I say that was a good thing? It's neither good nor bad; it's neutral. As I said, the quick reflexes I see here could be good, if it were put to good use, instead of talking about cocksucking and Geller's breasts; et al. ad hominems.
Posted by: Hesperado at August 28, 2011 06:46 PM (ipE4z)
Better than I could have said it. I mean, I had great expectations for this guy, but this whole "we have to destroy America in order to save it" stuff well exceeds my wildest dreams.
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at August 28, 2011 06:47 PM (8Zpuz)
Posted by: JackStraw at August 28, 2011 06:50 PM (TMB3S)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at August 28, 2011 06:51 PM (ESdzV)
Posted by: basic bv at August 28, 2011 06:51 PM (bXs2k)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 28, 2011 06:52 PM (bxiXv)
Thanks for the anthropological observations, Jane Goodall. What are you doing, writing a sociology dissertation on AoSHQ? What is the point of sharing your "neutral" observations with us in the context of otherwise criticizing us for our lack of appropriate anti-Muslim bigotry? Oh that's right: it wasn't supposed to be a neutral observation at all -- that's just you backpedaling ineffectively. You meant it as a critique: ZOMG, it's another way we're just like LGF! We share in the same constantly buzzing hivemind!
Son, you think we were born into this life ten minutes ago?
Posted by: Jeff B. at August 28, 2011 06:52 PM (D9z3D)
So you don't like cocksucking AND you don't like Geller's breasts? What are you, some kind of andro? AND a pedo? Wow that's totally weird.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 28, 2011 06:53 PM (s7mIC)
I believe the mountain of data we have seen pullulating from the Muslim world (both in the Dar-al-Islam and in our Dar-al-Harb) is sufficient cause to move us to suspicion of all Muslims. Certainly, an "Aga Khan" deserves utmost scrutiny, and should not be gushed over like a Miss Universe candidate, as Perry has done. No candidate for the U.S. Presidency should be entering into any kind of alliance with any Muslim. Period.
If that's so hard for you all to wrap your heads around, and offends your sensibilities so, and you still call yourselves "conservatives", I thank you. You are living proof of my thesis that the problem of PC MC is not merely a Leftist or "liberal" problem, but has infected the hearts and minds of innumerable conservatives and centrists (as well as that amorphous population of apolitical types) throughout the West.
It's ten years after 911 for God's sake. WTFU.
Posted by: Hesperado at August 28, 2011 06:54 PM (ipE4z)
Posted by: basic bv at August 28, 2011 06:55 PM (bXs2k)
Although I don't really want to give the guy any hits, if you click the link and visit his blog, you'll see that, as it turns out, he's a full-on bug-eyed "MUZZIES ARE TAKING OVER THE COUNTRY FROM WITHIN" conspiracy freakshow.
I mean, he still links approvingly to Debbie Schlussel for fuck's sake.
Posted by: Jeff B. at August 28, 2011 06:56 PM (D9z3D)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 28, 2011 10:52 PM (bxiXv)
Hmm, wow. So I guess we'll get to the "nuke Mecca" and "send 'em to the camps, just to be on the safe side" part of the discussion any moment now.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 28, 2011 06:56 PM (s7mIC)
Has this utmost scrutiny revealed anything yet? Other than he's muslim, of a sort, and rich? And supports a pluralistic society?
I mean, that's all damning in and of itself.
Posted by: toby928™ at August 28, 2011 06:57 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 28, 2011 07:00 PM (bxiXv)
I know a friendly Muslim who smiles,wears blue jeans, and listens to an ipod. I'll let him sail through airport security without checking his bags. Oh -- and he supports a pluralistic society, too!
Posted by: Hesperado at August 28, 2011 07:00 PM (ipE4z)
Posted by: Hesperado at August 28, 2011 10:54 PM (ipE4z)
Hey guess what Hesperado, a funny thing happened to me the other day. I was shopping in WalMart, and there was this Muslim woman there, wearing her hijab, and her daughters there with their cute little hijabs. I was waiting in the checkout line and they were right there in front of me. All of them. And you'll never guess what happened next.
You want to know? What happened next?
I did not blow up!
No, seriously! She didn't scream Allahu Akbar and take me out, her kids didn't try to take me down, she didn't even try to hit me. It was so weird. I guess her suicide vest wasn't working that day. Or maybe - just maybe - she wasn't a terrorist after all.
I know, weird, isn't it?
Posted by: chemjeff at August 28, 2011 07:01 PM (s7mIC)
So, the answer is no then?
Posted by: toby928™ at August 28, 2011 07:01 PM (GTbGH)
Top two signs of an internet crank:
1.) Overuse of 'high diction' (latinate words, awkward grammatical phrasing) in order to puff oneself up in the eyes of others.
2.) Creation and use of unexplained idiomatic expressions like "PC MC" in order to speak in a private code language. Again, the point is to set oneself off intellectually from the rest of the 'sheeple,' to elevate the speaker above the rest of the unwashed masses.
I'm not even going to bother to address the fuckwitted plea for rank bigotry in Hesperado's post -- its benighted ignorance speaks for itself. I'm having more fun psychoanalyzing him as a writer now.
Posted by: Jeff B. at August 28, 2011 07:02 PM (D9z3D)
Whether or not that's LGFish or not, it's impermissible in the second decade of the 21st century.
Posted by: Hesperado at August 28, 2011 07:04 PM (ipE4z)
Bigotry! It's a "loaded word" that means pretty much the same as it ever has!
Certainly, an "Aga Khan" deserves utmost scrutiny, and should not be gushed over like a Miss Universe candidate, as Perry has done.
It is all about the tone for you, isn't it? If only Perry spoke with your special kind of overwrought term-paper diction.
Seriously, pullulating? Could you have picked a more obtuse synonym from Roget's?
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at August 28, 2011 07:04 PM (8Zpuz)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at August 28, 2011 07:06 PM (ESdzV)
Posted by: Hesperado at August 28, 2011 11:00 PM (ipE4z)
Yeah cause if he was a Christian you'd let him sail through security as well?
By the power of Grayskull, your analogies are stupid as shit.
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at August 28, 2011 07:07 PM (8Zpuz)
Oh fuck you. You want to know why I don't approve of anti-Muslim bigotry? It's not because of some PC "religion of peace" crap or some multi-culti "they're just oppressed little darlings who need some wealth redistributed their way" bullshit.
I'm not an anti-Muslim bigot because I believe in the dignity and self-worth of every single individual. That means you, and that means Muslims too. Now if some Muslim asshole tries to blow up another building, then by all means string them up. But your typical Muslim grandma shopping at the Piggly Wiggly? She's not a threat to you or anyone else, and fuck you for lumping her in the same camp as the Mohammed Attas of the world.
I used to think that this was a conservative viewpoint, but I am finding out more and more that it is not. You know, the Libertarian Party is sounding better and better every day.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 28, 2011 07:09 PM (s7mIC)
Posted by: Professor Hesperadodo at August 28, 2011 07:10 PM (8Zpuz)
853 >>>You are living proof of my thesis that the problem of PC MC is not merely a Leftist or "liberal" problem, but has infected the hearts and minds of innumerable conservatives and centrists (as well as that amorphous population of apolitical types) throughout the West.
"Top two signs of an internet crank:
1.) Overuse of 'high diction' (latinate words, awkward grammatical phrasing) in order to puff oneself up in the eyes of others."
"You are proof of my thesis that X is not merely Y, but has infected Z."
a) How is that "awkward grammatical phrasing"?
b) What was "latinate"? Did I offend you with the word "amorphous"? It's in the English dictionary, as is every other word I used.
"2.) Creation and use of unexplained idiomatic expressions like "PC MC" in order to..."
I'm flattered that you credit me with the creation of "PC MC" but if you had spent more of your time on sites actually critical of Islam, you likely would have come across this by now common acronym for "Politically Correct Multi-Culturalism". At any rate, you could just asked what it meant, instead of passive-aggressively and LGFishly sniped at me for it.
Over!
Posted by: Hesperado at August 28, 2011 07:11 PM (ipE4z)
You have to expel your shit out a window into a toilet bowl below? You do that trick at parties or circuses?
Posted by: Jeff B. at August 28, 2011 07:11 PM (D9z3D)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at August 28, 2011 07:12 PM (ESdzV)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 28, 2011 07:13 PM (bxiXv)
I was referring to "pullulating," dude. I just quoted the last part of your post because it related to the rank appeal to bigotry that I mentioned at the end up my post.
You work really hard to come off like a edumacated guy, so I'm assuming you've read your Shakespeare. Remember Love's Labour's Lost? You're pretty much the AoSHQ version of Holofernes.
How's that for a learned analogy, twatbreath?
Posted by: Jeff B. at August 28, 2011 07:15 PM (D9z3D)
Posted by: Hesperado at August 28, 2011 11:00 PM (ipE4z)
Yeah cause if he was a Christian you'd let him sail through security as well?"
Spoken like a true Perry-supporting Conservative!
Posted by: Hesperado at August 28, 2011 07:15 PM (ipE4z)
Yes, but you found it while jacking off to a thesaurus.
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at August 28, 2011 07:15 PM (8Zpuz)
Gosh, it's just so obvious. If you weren't soo LGFy you would know what I'm talking about
Posted by: Hesperad'oh at August 28, 2011 07:16 PM (ghJ2e)
Posted by: basic bv at August 28, 2011 07:17 PM (bXs2k)
That is really what makes it so Bircher-esque. It's not the "Muslim threat" that was the real motivating factor, it was the unraveling of all the layers of conspiracy to uncover the true "Muslim threat"! Which of course always, always, leads "right to the top". Eisenhower, Perry - it makes no difference. They will always read into the conspiracy that the people at the top of the food chain are the ones most in on it, and "proving" that they are becomes the real motivation, not any sort of threat itself.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 28, 2011 07:17 PM (s7mIC)
Posted by: Jeff B. at August 28, 2011 11:11 PM (D9z3D)
Oh hell, my SAT vocabulary isn't what it once was.
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at August 28, 2011 07:17 PM (8Zpuz)
Ouch! That sounds pullulatingly unctuous.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 28, 2011 07:18 PM (s7mIC)
Or even better, he could explain it fully to someone who cares and leave us out of it.
Posted by: Ace's liver at August 28, 2011 07:19 PM (1+XRG)
Posted by: Hesperado at August 28, 2011 07:20 PM (ipE4z)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 28, 2011 07:21 PM (bxiXv)
What do you think is the best way to deal with the fact that Islam is a violent, expansionist ideology?
I'm not being snarky at all here. Do you think the current plan of nation building has any hope of doing any good?
Posted by: Lauren at August 28, 2011 07:21 PM (ghJ2e)
Posted by: chemjeff at August 28, 2011 07:22 PM (s7mIC)
Posted by: Hesperado at August 28, 2011 11:20 PM (ipE4z)
Some handy terms for your prose:
1) pseudo-intellectual
2) bombastic
3) soporific
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at August 28, 2011 07:23 PM (8Zpuz)
Posted by: Baron von Hesperchausen at August 28, 2011 07:24 PM (ESdzV)
"I'm not an anti-Muslim bigot because I believe in the dignity and self-worth of every single individual. That means you, and that means Muslims too. Now if some Muslim asshole tries to blow up another building, then by all means string them up."
That's all well and good. But sometimes a society is confronted with a group sufficiently dangerous where waiting until AFTER they have exploded will tend to result in more mayhem and misery than doing something about it before it happens. So far, we've been relatively lucky in our game of whacking-a-mole with random Muslims plotting to mass-murder Americans, Canadians, Brits, French, Italians, Germans, etc.etc. The situation is obviously not stable, but is metastasizing.
But don't let me distrub the Box you feel forced to think within.
Posted by: Hesperado at August 28, 2011 07:24 PM (ipE4z)
#875 Lauren at August 28, 2011 11:21 PM (ghJ2e)
Do you think the current plan of nation building has any hope of doing any good?
Very little hope. The local culture (Arab in Iraq, mostly Pashtun in Afghanistan), the level of civilizational advancement (still strong tribal influence, lost of cousin marriage, and in A., marriage is tough) and the religion, make building any sort of system other than the existing one, virtually impossible.
Posted by: Arbalest at August 28, 2011 07:27 PM (Sd30e)
Spoken like a true Perry-supporting Conservative!
Posted by: Hesperado at August 28, 2011 11:15 PM (ipE4z)
Also, what the fuck is this? Did your brain go on sabbatical?
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at August 28, 2011 07:28 PM (8Zpuz)
Nothing.
We of course protect our borders and protect our interests here. We do the best we can to prevent terrorism of any type.
But if Muslims in Goatfuckistan want to kill infidels in Southern Nowherestan? I don't give a shit.
The way I see it, the Muslim faith of today, as it is practiced in Muslim areas, is a lot like the Catholic faith of the Middle Ages, in the sense that it is so self-righteous in its own certitude that it will demand utmost submission to the faith "for your own good" and even launch wars to bring more of the infidels to "the truth". What stopped all that nonsense was (a) military failure in the Crusades, and (b) the Enlightenment. Muslims need their own Enlightenment, and it will come sooner or later. (Let's hope sooner.)
Posted by: chemjeff at August 28, 2011 07:28 PM (s7mIC)
Posted by: basic bv at August 28, 2011 07:30 PM (bXs2k)
My guess is that the regulars here either
1) support Bush-style nation-building in order to "build" societies of Jeffersonian Muslims out of the raw material of Muslim societies which surveys like the Pew poll have determined over 70% support DEATH for blasphemy against Mohammed and for the "crime" of adultery; etc., ad nauseam
or
2) some kind of Ron-Paulish Isolationism -- i.e., the "conservative" version of retreating into a Jacko Fantasy World.
Actually dealing with the real threat of an Islam Redivivus seems way beyond their pay grade.
Next.
Posted by: Hesperado at August 28, 2011 07:31 PM (ipE4z)
Answer chemjeff's #876. You've identified the supposed problem, now sack up and reveal to us what your preferred solution is.
Posted by: Jeff B. at August 28, 2011 07:31 PM (D9z3D)
Yes. That group is called Al-Qaeda. We are currently prosecuting a war against Al-Qaeda. Which I support.
Note that the group is NOT called "Islam". Kareem Abdul-Jabbar is not going to blow you up.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 28, 2011 07:31 PM (s7mIC)
Posted by: Lauren at August 28, 2011 11:21 PM (ghJ2e)
I was a big proponent of the effort to transform Iraq, but I honestly don't know. I'd like to say in a nation that has a fairly well-educated population and advanced culture that democracy could succeed, and if we weren't so ignorant about the real factors of Iraqi society and provided better security, I think we'd be having a much easier time right now. As it stands, I'm hopeful.
Afghanistan, well, if we get a reasonably strong ruler who can keep the peace, then that could work. But I don't think we have enough force to guarantee good participation in any democracy, and Karzai is not exactly a big believer in that system either.
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at August 28, 2011 07:34 PM (8Zpuz)
Your guesses are both wrong. First of all, there is nothing approaching an orthodoxy here when it comes to foreign policy or any other subject for that matter (save the question of whether Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure -- the answer is 'yes'). Second of all, to the extent that there is even a general consensus about foreign policy here, it probably proceeds from an implicit assumption that "democracy building" doesn't really work (or isn't affordable/isn't worth it), yet the U.S. needs to continue to maintain its strength and military superpower status for self-evident reasons of preservation.
Posted by: Jeff B. at August 28, 2011 07:35 PM (D9z3D)
I'm sure out of the 1.2 billion Muslims on Earth, many millions exist who will never blow me up.
The only problem we have is that we don't know --with sufficient certitude -- which ones will, and which one's won't. And this situation of uncertainty is not stable; it's getting worse. Unless you've been living in a suburban cave.
Posted by: Hesperado at August 28, 2011 07:36 PM (ipE4z)
Oh lawd. The opener...
This first part which I post today will be a somewhat leisurely and verbose introduction to the topic. Please sit back, sip some cognac, and simply relax into my wordiness.
It's like you can actually hear him basking in all his cheap grandiloquent glory.
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at August 28, 2011 07:37 PM (8Zpuz)
Posted by: Jeff B. at August 28, 2011 07:37 PM (D9z3D)
Posted by: Baron von Hesperchausen at August 28, 2011 07:38 PM (ESdzV)
I almost wish I'd clicked through because that introduction is pricelessly self-regarding. We got a regular H.L. Mencken here, don't we? Who WOULDN'T want to "relax into" Hesperado's wordiness?
Posted by: Jeff B. at August 28, 2011 07:39 PM (D9z3D)
#875 Lauren at August 28, 2011 11:21 PM (ghJ2e)
What do you think is the best way to deal with the fact that Islam is a violent, expansionist ideology?
Cordon them off, until they genuinely reform. End Muslim immigration and refugee acceptance, only non-Muslims, and only to neighboring countries. No educational visas. No more importing family or brides from "over there" to the US. Serious support for non-Muslim nations with borders with Muslim nations. End economic support. Economic pressure on countries that violate the cordon.
We're dealing with culture and religion, and well, arguing religion ...... and all cultures are equal ...
Will they change? A commenter, either upstream on this thread or somewhere on Part 1 said something to the effect that at some point, the civilized world will up and end Islam. A nuclear device, or a resumption of slave raids into the civilized world might do it ...
I hope they change ... don't know when. But it's an internal decision, their decision.
Posted by: Arbalest at August 28, 2011 07:41 PM (Sd30e)
Posted by: Jeff B. at August 28, 2011 07:42 PM (D9z3D)
First of all, I think that Islam is inherently dangerous as literally interpreted.
This scares me a lot, especially because it has become somewhat fashionable in certain youth circles to become more devout and literalistic.
I think agree with Chemjeff that an enlightenment is necessary for Islam to ever coexist peacefully with the rest of the world.
The problem for me is that I don't know how to get from point A to point B. Pretending that we're already at point B (ala all the Religion of Peace bs) seems counterproductive and foolish. Pretending that we can never reach point B seems equally foolish and dangerous.
So what do we do? In my mind, it seems prudent to try to support those who are calling for a reform of Islam, like the Aga Khan.
Posted by: Lauren at August 28, 2011 07:43 PM (ghJ2e)
Damn, you Jeffs are too much. Any more laughing and my face is going to hurt.
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at August 28, 2011 07:44 PM (8Zpuz)
I just wanted to say bravo for everyone who stuck around this thread for this long and that keep bringing the funny. I've laughed out loud more from this post then anything else this weekend so thank you all for that!
Posted by: CaveJohnson at August 28, 2011 07:45 PM (qZD43)
Thanks for actually responding to me intelligently. I appreciate that, considering the annoying macaroni flung at me from the dormitory cafeteria here.
Posted by: Hesperado at August 28, 2011 07:46 PM (ipE4z)
One thing that you can do is to get the CIA back on what they are actually supposed to do - recruit foreign agents and divine humint from them. Then give them the policy latitude to actually do something with the information they obtain.
One of the reasons we didn't see 9/11 coming, in the long view, was because we knew there was a hotbed of Islamic radicalism that was giving birth to al-Qaeda, and we straight up ignored it. The CIA couldn't even get someone to investigate common Londonistan literature that called for blatant war against the West. When we had information, policymakers in Washington were too timid and blind to let the right people pull the triggers.
A pretty good summary of our failings in that regard is Robert Baer's See No Evil. The guy is a pretty out-and-out liberal but his book is very instructive (he was a CIA officer in the Middle East for about 10-15 years).
(I really do recommend the book. Makes a great case for how PC rubbish and special interests blinded and neutered the CIA.)
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at August 28, 2011 07:47 PM (8Zpuz)
Posted by: BSR at August 28, 2011 07:48 PM (BH4RQ)
Posted by: Jeff B. at August 28, 2011 11:42 PM (D9z3D)
That's a nonpareil ejaculation, peasant.
Posted by: Sir Hesperado, Esq. at August 28, 2011 07:50 PM (8Zpuz)
Breather:
Actually, I am actually having some fun here. Else I wouldn't have stayed here this long.
I realize that tempers can get high-strung when someone challenges one's givens.
I do that too often with my givens.
That said, there are some here who have a reflex reaction to punch below the belt when it's really not necessary; and, given that we aren't actually standing on a mat at the Brooklyn Y, rather pathetic.
Why not try actually responding maturely? I mean, it's not like you guys haven't been spasmodically reacting like lab monkeys for years and it's gotten you nowhere but fed your Internet addiction anyway. Am I right, or am I right? (To quote an outdated bromide, which I'm sure you'd appreciate.)
Posted by: Hesperado at August 28, 2011 07:51 PM (ipE4z)
The profundity of my labyrinthine obduracy is abstemious!
Posted by: Herr Doktor Hesperadodo at August 28, 2011 07:51 PM (s7mIC)
>>>Thanks for actually responding to me intelligently. I appreciate that, considering the annoying macaroni flung at me from the dormitory cafeteria here.
You can thank me by answering my #885.
Posted by: Jeff B. at August 28, 2011 07:52 PM (D9z3D)
Posted by: JackStraw at August 28, 2011 07:56 PM (TMB3S)
Posted by: Hesperado at August 28, 2011 11:51 PM (ipE4z)
I'd ask the same to you. You write like a thirteen year old bitten by a radioactive Bircher spider.
Posted by: Sir Hesperado, Esq. at August 28, 2011 07:56 PM (8Zpuz)
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at August 28, 2011 07:56 PM (8Zpuz)
The only problem we have is that we don't know --with sufficient certitude -- which ones will, and which one's won't.
We don't know with certainty who's a serial killer and who's not. So let's lock up everyone with a middle name of Wayne.
We don't know with certainty who is going to drown their kids in a bathtub, and who is not. So let's lock up all suburban moms with 4 kids.
We don't know with certainty who is going to drive drunk and run into a schoolbus full of kittens, orphans and nuns. So let's lock up all drinkers with driver's licenses.
Do you see the nonsense here? You're right we don't know which Muslim is a terrorist and which one isn't. But we don't treat them as if they are filthy terrorists unless they start acting like one.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 28, 2011 07:58 PM (s7mIC)
As to your question, while it's a good question, I am leery of answering it glibly.
For one thing, if someone purportedly sees the dimensions of the problem roughly as I see it, why are they asking me this question? Aren't you capable of coming up with the reasonable conclusion?
Or are you, like other anxiously self-hating White Westerners, worried about "going down the slippery slope" that apparently only the White West goes down (never mind the Sudan actually genociding black Africans as we comfortably type and click; et innumerable other Muslims around the world)?
At any rate, my proposal is not a "solution" -- it is only a rational way to manage the propblem which Muslims, and Muslims alone, are causing the West, and the Rest of the world:
An Iron Veil
At least do me the favor of reading the entire article (plus the linked second article in answer to a reader's question) before condemning me to liberal (oops -- I meant conservative) Hell.
Posted by: Hesperado at August 28, 2011 07:58 PM (ipE4z)
Here's a link to the Aga Khan Program for Islamic Architecture:
http://tinyurl.com/3u69u9c
and the Aga Khan Trust for Culture:
http://tinyurl.com/3bmofow
He's got about a dozen different foundations specifically dedicated to Islamic themes or located solely in Islamic countries- and that's not counting his various Pluralism endeavors in different Western countries, such as I linked above. So he talks a good game, but for a "pluralist" he seems to be stuck on a single track. I think maybe he has a different concept of pluralism than The Founders.
And lets remember, the Aga Khan's ties to Rick Perry didn't come to light because Perry commissioned him to guide the formulation of curriculum teaching Buddhism or Buddhist history to Texas schoolchildren. And I definitely don't find any of the Khan's activities geared towards educating muslim students in Islamic lands on the history or traditions of Christianity.
I think we can see what he's about.
Posted by: november1981 at August 28, 2011 07:59 PM (+HAu2)
Oh, don't be throwing bromides at a chemist. Not unless you want a faceful of chlorides thrown back at you. And not the nice kind. Especially to a pedo like yourself.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 28, 2011 07:59 PM (s7mIC)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 28, 2011 08:01 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Lauren at August 28, 2011 08:02 PM (ghJ2e)
Posted by: basic bv at August 28, 2011 08:02 PM (bXs2k)
HOLY CRAP THE HEAD OF AN ISLAMIC SECT IS INTERESTED IN PROMOTING ISLAMIC STUFF ALERT THE MEDIA.
Next you're going to be telling me that Pat Robertson is into promoting Christianity.
Posted by: Jeff B. at August 28, 2011 08:04 PM (D9z3D)
GREAT SCOTT.
Seeing the way the problem of Islam is metastasizing, one strategy for the West to take will be a global quarantine of Muslims. This might well be the best way to manage that problem.
Let us adumbrate the strategy to clarify and crystallize what it entails:
The location of this global quarantine would be, for the most part, the already extant Muslim countries, stretching from Indonesia to Morocco.
This will necessarily entail expulsion and deportation of Muslims from all the lands into which they have immigrated.
The global quarantine will be similar to the “Iron Curtain” during the Cold War, though it will be its diametrically opposite mirror image
Enforcement will perforce require the perpetual threat of military attack by the West for any Muslims who try to sneak out of that quarantine. Thus, the Iron Veil will require the great expense of having military presence all around it. Thankfully, in our age of sophisticated technology, a great deal of this can be accomplished via long-range communications as well as long-range missiles and/or air power from widely spaced airbases and/or ships. Nevertheless, there will be some necessity to also integrate a policy of permanent military presence of actual military personnel at various locations along the perimeter, on land and sea.
It depends on why the person owns a Koran and why he is studying it. That would be part of the forensic investigative process, including seizure of records and computers and other kinds of surveillance and interrogation.
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at August 28, 2011 08:04 PM (8Zpuz)
Guy, I kinda feel sorry for you, because by gosh darnit, you think you're winning don't you? You just might convert the heathens of this here wasteland of intellect onto the true path. Do you actually believe the stuff you're saying or are you paid by the hour?
And then there's this:
Why not try actually responding maturely? I mean, it's not like you guys haven't been spasmodically reacting like lab monkeys for years and it's gotten you nowhere but fed your Internet addiction anyway. Am I right, or am I right? (To quote an outdated bromide, which I'm sure you'd appreciate.)
You're like the people who move to North Dakota to open a LA style coffee house and then have no idea why you don't get business.
Posted by: CaveJohnson at August 28, 2011 08:05 PM (qZD43)
Posted by: basic bv at August 29, 2011 12:02 AM (bXs2k)
Sorry, I gave him a click. But only one.
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at August 28, 2011 08:05 PM (8Zpuz)
Answer it glibly. I'm not clicking through to give your blog more hits. You're capable of giving us the executive summary right here -- you've certainly expended enough verbiage on this comment thread already -- so go ahead on. Bullet points are preferable.
Posted by: Jeff B. at August 28, 2011 08:05 PM (D9z3D)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 28, 2011 08:06 PM (bxiXv)
Oh wow. So, basically, the complete end of American democracy.
My god, it's full of hatred.
Posted by: Jeff B. at August 28, 2011 08:07 PM (D9z3D)
Posted by: Lauren at August 28, 2011 08:08 PM (ghJ2e)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 28, 2011 08:08 PM (bxiXv)
I love this part in particular. It's not just Muslims who get to be treated like human detritus, it's ALL Americans! Police state panopticon for everyone!
Posted by: Jeff B. at August 28, 2011 08:09 PM (D9z3D)
My god, it's full of hatred.
Posted by: Jeff B. at August 29, 2011 12:07 AM (D9z3D)
Yes. If this guy is for real, he is the most batshit insane blogger on the entire internet.
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at August 28, 2011 08:09 PM (8Zpuz)
Posted by: Hethper Prynndo, Thooper-Inventor at August 28, 2011 08:10 PM (bxiXv)
Unfortunately, by that time it's too late as they've already committed the atrocity. See Fort Hood. Actually, we don't even label them terrorists now once they've shown their true face. See Fort Hood again, as everyone involved with him for some time before the attack, knew what was coming but stayed mum for fear of being labelled bigot, and of prejudging him by looking at him through their own cultural lens. Of course, even the president made sure the country understood that his motivation could not be located in Islam even though he was heard screaming Allahu Akbar as he murdered.
It just won't do to act on certain suspicions, or even form an impression about someone until we can prove it in court. Even if everything fits well into an obvious pattern- will it hold up in court? Best to hold off on judgment until we have all the facts.
Posted by: november1981 at August 28, 2011 08:10 PM (+HAu2)
"910 I'm sure out of the 1.2 billion Muslims on Earth, many millions exist who will never blow me up.
The only problem we have is that we don't know --with sufficient certitude -- which ones will, and which one's won't.
We don't know with certainty who's a serial killer and who's not. So let's lock up everyone with a middle name of Wayne."
This is precisely the kind of spastic come-back I have heard a thousand times from liberals.
I guess Conservatives are the New Liberals.
I'll have to re-accessorize my fashion accordingly.
Posted by: Hesperado at August 28, 2011 08:11 PM (ipE4z)
Posted by: basic bv at August 28, 2011 08:12 PM (bXs2k)
But this is the best part:
Aside from all these problems with this particular formulation of Auster’s, then, there is the more pertinent rhetorical question to ask: Who gives a rat’s ass about the “dignity and essence” of Muslims anyway, and what does that have to do with our safety?
You're right, who gives a rat's ass about dirty filthy Muslims anyway? Treat them like shit! Who really cares? They're just human scum!!!
I think that really says it all.
god I'm embarrassed that you're on my "side".
Posted by: chemjeff at August 28, 2011 08:12 PM (s7mIC)
Posted by: Lauren at August 28, 2011 08:12 PM (ghJ2e)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 28, 2011 08:12 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 29, 2011 12:08 AM (bxiXv)
Not the typical Bush-hating weasel who'd do that, but hell, anything's possible with this guy.
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at August 28, 2011 08:13 PM (8Zpuz)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 28, 2011 08:13 PM (bxiXv)
So we can agree that the whole "Pluralism" tack is just a ruse, right? Just a way to distract naive Westerners long enough to get his foot in the door- what he's really about is Islam.
Posted by: november1981 at August 28, 2011 08:14 PM (+HAu2)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at August 28, 2011 08:15 PM (ESdzV)
Posted by: Hesperado at August 29, 2011 12:11 AM (ipE4z)
Rather amusing, then, that you don't even have the smidgen of energy to retort. Strangling the snake to your fascist wonderland can be exhausting, I know.
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at August 28, 2011 08:15 PM (8Zpuz)
Posted by: Hesperado at August 29, 2011 12:11 AM (ipE4z)
Well gee Hesperado, I guess I'm not the "true blue conservative" that you are. I believe in the dignity and individual rights of people. You don't.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 28, 2011 08:16 PM (s7mIC)
What is the end game? Or perhaps you envision some sort of "final solution."
Posted by: Lauren at August 28, 2011 08:16 PM (ghJ2e)
Posted by: november1981 at August 29, 2011 12:14 AM (+HAu2)
Riddle me this, can someone simultaneously promote two complementary ideas at once?
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at August 28, 2011 08:18 PM (8Zpuz)
You've mastered the art of the Obama False Choice.
Posted by: november1981 at August 28, 2011 08:18 PM (+HAu2)
What's your plan?
Posted by: Lauren at August 28, 2011 08:19 PM (ghJ2e)
I guess that also means that I, like (some) liberals, don't like fascist assholes either.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 28, 2011 08:19 PM (s7mIC)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 28, 2011 08:19 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 28, 2011 08:22 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: CaveJohnson at August 28, 2011 08:22 PM (qZD43)
Posted by: BSR at August 28, 2011 08:23 PM (BH4RQ)
Posted by: Alec Rawls at August 28, 2011 08:24 PM (kTTUz)
Posted by: BSR at August 28, 2011 08:30 PM (BH4RQ)
Posted by: Lauren at August 28, 2011 08:30 PM (ghJ2e)
Not these two, really. You're either dedicated to Pluralism, which means you see your own culture as being no more true or significant than any other, or you dedicate your life to things Islamic. I've actually met Pluralists a number of times - people who call themselves pluralists and trumpet their membership in whateve Pluralist organization and I mean Pluralists to the point where they deny that they even have a culture of their own- they see themselves as the heirs to all cultures equally. This definitely does not describe the Aga Khan.
I think we can see pretty clearly what the Aga Khan is about. And this is important, as the Perry/Khan story should focus much more on Khan's motives than on Perry's.
Posted by: november1981 at August 28, 2011 08:31 PM (+HAu2)
I do that too often with my givens.
Sorry, that's a no go. "Now I understand why you people were treating me so badly when I arrived. Yes, (sigh) it so often happens to those like me, who go around challenging people's assumptions without pausing to let them adjust to the audacity of the fresh ideas I present. They're just too startling for ordinary people to take up all at once. I must slow down, and give lesser beings a chance to catch up."
It's much simpler than that. You came in here with a nasty insult and behaved like a douchebag. Then you wondered why your behavior had not precipitated a civil conversation. Now you're looking at a serious and civil conversation, precipitated because Lauren came in and said, basically: ok, playing with this douche is fun, but seriously what do you guys really think about this issue? And what do you do -- you take credit for that conversation, as though it happened because of you, not despite you.
It's possibly not too late. Start seriously engaging in a civil conversation, and you may find that even now, some have not yet exhausted their patience, and will talk straight with you if you behave.
Posted by: Splunge at August 28, 2011 08:35 PM (2IW5Q)
"You're like the people who move to North Dakota to open a LA style coffee house and then have no idea why you don't get business."
Except that this is supposedly a conservative site of conservatives. I still have hope in the West. That's why I called my blog "Hesperado".
Posted by: Hesperado at August 28, 2011 08:36 PM (ipE4z)
"So we're back to shipping all the Muslims back to Whereverstan and praying that they don't get pissed off an nuke us?"
Is that worse than leaving millions of them among us -- and inviting millions more -- while we continue to kill them and interfere in their societies Obama-style (or Bush Nation-building style)...?
Posted by: Hesperado at August 28, 2011 08:40 PM (ipE4z)
Yes, this is a site for conservatives. Not a site for retards and pedos. That is your site, no matter how many $10 words you use in your blog.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 28, 2011 08:41 PM (s7mIC)
Posted by: Arbalest at August 28, 2011 08:41 PM (Sd30e)
If Hesperado is arguing that the only way to be free from the onslaught of Islam is to immediately round up and deport all muslims from the United States, then I don't agree with that.
Any more than I would agree with the proposition that the only way to deal with our current population of illegal aliens would be their immediate rounding up and deportation. There are any number of ways to get from out of our current condition to one that's much more secure.
Posted by: november1981 at August 28, 2011 08:43 PM (+HAu2)
Posted by: Hesperado at August 29, 2011 12:40 AM (ipE4z)
Yes, that is worse. And if you don't see that, then you are hopeless.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 28, 2011 08:43 PM (s7mIC)
I believe you are all basically good, decent, intelligent people. I may disagree passionately with certain premises and conclusions you draw.
But it's good to have these heated discussions.
And there will be many more to come in the years, and decades, to come.
Posted by: Hesperado at August 28, 2011 08:46 PM (ipE4z)
Posted by: basic bv at August 28, 2011 08:49 PM (bXs2k)
>>>As for certain limitrophe lands on various peripheries of the current Dar-al-Islam—such as the southern Philippines, southern Thailand, and certain regions of Africa—these should be restored to the non-Muslim world and their Muslim populations expelled. Ideally, in addition, there would be carved out a “Greater Israel”, and Turkey would be restored to the West as “the Republic of Byzantium” from which Muslims would be expelled and into which Middle Eastern Christians could find a new home.
Leaving aside the spectacular douchebaggery of "limitrophe," I love the idea of expelling the Turks from TURKEY. Hey, let's undo the last millenium of history! (Umm...you do realize that the Turks controlled the majority of Anatolia long for before Constantinople fell to them in 1453, right?)
Ethnic cleansing! You are an insane bigot.
Posted by: Jeff B. at August 28, 2011 08:49 PM (D9z3D)
The same way we dealt with communism and pan-Arab nationalism. Contain the damage to the extent possible and wait it out. These things go in cycles - the young men of some generation decide to follow some big movement, and it takes about two generations to fail in some obvious way. Then everybody moves on to something else.
Aside from a tiny number of intellectuals, the modern iteration of Islamism only dates back to the late '70s, and was built on the ashes of Nasser's (and others') pan-Arab nationalism. As the Islamists fail, and as they become corrupt, and as they overreach, they'll lose the next generation.
Posted by: Ace's liver at August 28, 2011 08:52 PM (1+XRG)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 28, 2011 08:52 PM (bxiXv)
>>>Camps and federal officers asking questions about why someone might own a Koran isn't a tradition we're struggling to maintain.
Well, it does belong to a certain variety of right-wing thought, mein Herr...
Posted by: Jeff B. at August 28, 2011 08:52 PM (D9z3D)
Posted by: basic bv at August 28, 2011 08:53 PM (bXs2k)
">>>Camps and federal officers asking questions about why someone might own a Koran isn't a tradition we're struggling to maintain.
Well, it does belong to a certain variety of right-wing thought, mein Herr..."
How about a US Army burning Bibles to placate Muslim sensibilities?
How about Western governments punishing people for criticizing the Koran?
I guess that kind of fascism is OK with you, but not the other, fictional, kind.
Posted by: Hesperado at August 28, 2011 08:55 PM (ipE4z)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 28, 2011 08:57 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 28, 2011 08:59 PM (bxiXv)
I'm still interested in the logic behind forcibly cleansing Turks from Turkey. Okay, let's adopt your rigorous logic of quarantine; it's Aspergers'-level insane, but let's grant it for the sake of argument. Having done so, under what logic other than pure punitive "I hate Muzzies" hatred do you justify expelling the Turks from a land they have occupied for TWICE AS LONG as Europeans have occupied America? (The Turks -- first Seljuk, then Ottoman -- have been ruling in Anatolia since 1037...that's thirty years before the fucking Norman Conquest of Britain.)
Posted by: Jeff B. at August 28, 2011 09:00 PM (D9z3D)
Posted by: Hesperado at August 28, 2011 09:02 PM (ipE4z)
Given what we know about Islam, we cannot sufficiently tell the difference between the ostensibly harmless Muslims and the dangerous Muslims -- and therefore we must assume all Muslims are equally dangerous.
Got it. The dude behind the counter at the convenience store, and al-Queda's head bomb expert, equally dangerous. Good to know.
Dude, seriously? Doesn't this sound even a little whacked out to you?
Posted by: Splunge at August 28, 2011 09:03 PM (2IW5Q)
Posted by: basic bv at August 28, 2011 09:03 PM (bXs2k)
Next time you are at WalMart, or Piggly Wiggly, look for the woman wearing a hajib.
Ask yourself, seriously, if you think she is a terrorist.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 28, 2011 09:03 PM (s7mIC)
Simple.
Keep the non-Muslim Turks. Expel the Muslim Turks.
See? No big Thesaurus words there.
Posted by: Hesperado at August 28, 2011 09:03 PM (ipE4z)
And is this the part where "suck the barbed cock of Satan" is applied?
(Sorry if that's too "frat house" for you, Hesperlinkwhore. Meh. Not really.)
Posted by: Beth at August 28, 2011 09:04 PM (kBxk7)
You're talkin' about a billion plus people there, sparky.
Posted by: Ace's liver at August 28, 2011 09:04 PM (1+XRG)
Well, to be fair, he probably wants Britain handed back over to the Angles and the Jutes. And the Vikings.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 28, 2011 09:05 PM (s7mIC)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 28, 2011 09:07 PM (bxiXv)
But how do you know which is which?
I know, you force the Muslim Turks to wear a big yellow Crescent! That'll do it!
Posted by: chemjeff at August 28, 2011 09:08 PM (s7mIC)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 28, 2011 09:09 PM (bxiXv)
Yeah, it does. Unfortunately. It'd be nice if Muslims were "moms and pops like the rest of us". And it would be nice if Miss Universe's vision of world peace and harmony were true, too. But some of us grow up.
Posted by: Hesperado at August 28, 2011 09:09 PM (ipE4z)
>>>Simple.
>>>Keep the non-Muslim Turks. Expel the Muslim Turks.
>>>See? No big Thesaurus words there.
No, you're missing my point. You say that you want to quarantine Muslims to their lands, while maybe rolling back a few 'recent' conquests (though I've got news for you, Muslims have been in the Philippines for a lot longer than you think). So what's the logic for expelling these evil Muslims from Turkey? Nobody else lives in Turkey except Muslims. There are no non-Muslim Turks. You are basically saying you want to depopulate the entire Anatolian peninsula, and what's the logic? It has absolutely no connection to "the West", nor has it for over one thousand years. Why, under your "Iron Veil" idea, do we quarantine Muslims to their home countries...except for Turkey? Are you just offended at the horrible unfairness of a great ancient Western capital being in the hands of Muslims? Then why don't we kick the Muslims out of Alexandria? Damascus? North Africa?
You are clearly an Aspergers sufferer (not an insult, it's just easy to diagnose), so I know you have a particular fixation for logic. I would like to understand your internal logic for this choice. Is it just "fuck Muslims, Ima take what I want!" Where, pray tell, is the virtue in that?
Posted by: Jeff B. at August 28, 2011 09:10 PM (D9z3D)
So the Muslim grandma shopping at Walmart alongside you blew you up with her suicide vest?
Posted by: chemjeff at August 28, 2011 09:12 PM (s7mIC)
Posted by: BSR at August 28, 2011 09:13 PM (BH4RQ)
He wants to return Turkey back to the Romans. Hail Caesar!
Posted by: chemjeff at August 28, 2011 09:13 PM (s7mIC)
"But how do you know which is which?
I know, you force the Muslim Turks to wear a big yellow Crescent! That'll do it!"
The Orthodox Christians there know. They are a better source than the Aga Khan.
Posted by: Hesperado at August 28, 2011 09:13 PM (ipE4z)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 28, 2011 09:14 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 28, 2011 09:15 PM (bxiXv)
So you'll get the Orthodox Christians to pin the big yellow Crescents on the Muslim Turks?
Posted by: chemjeff at August 28, 2011 09:16 PM (s7mIC)
"Nobody else lives in Turkey except Muslims. There are no non-Muslim Turks."
I realize that Muslims have been trying to kill off the non-Muslims in Turkey over the years -- stabbing priests here and there, and other Christians (as well as Muslim converted to Christianity) -- but I hadn't realized the genocide had been that successful. At any rate, I know that the majority of Turkey is Muslim. There are plenty of oppressed Christians in various Muslim countries who need a country to go to where they can feel safe from Muslim oppression. That would be the newly christened "Republic of Byzantium". But what do American conservatives care about oppressed Christians in various Muslim countries?
Posted by: Hesperado at August 28, 2011 09:20 PM (ipE4z)
No need to guess. The guy actually started a separate blog called "JihadwatchWatch." Guess what it criticizes Spencer for? Just take a guess. First one doesn't count.
Okay, I'll tell you the answer: Spencer gets raked over the coals for being INSUFFICIENTLY CRITICAL of Muslims. You see, Hesperado's critique is that Spencer just went after Muslism radicalism, and doesn't realize that the real problem is Muslims themselves, that we need a New Holocaust to solve the problem once and for all.
No, really, I'm not making it up: http://tinyurl.com/3gxlgfs
(Can somebody explain to me how to embed links in text? Never can figure out how it works here.)
Posted by: Jeff B. at August 28, 2011 09:20 PM (D9z3D)
Posted by: chemjeff at August 28, 2011 09:21 PM (s7mIC)
Posted by: BSR at August 28, 2011 09:22 PM (BH4RQ)
Posted by: Hesperado at August 28, 2011 09:23 PM (ipE4z)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 28, 2011 09:23 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Lauren at August 28, 2011 09:23 PM (ghJ2e)
If Christians in Muslim countries are oppressed then they should do what they can to relieve their oppression. If they can't, then they should leave and come to a freer place like America, where they won't be so oppressed.
If Muslims in Christian countries are oppressed then they should do what they can to relieve their oppression. If they can't, then they should leave and come to a freer place like America, where they won't be so oppressed.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 28, 2011 09:23 PM (s7mIC)
Okay first of all: there are non-Muslims living in Turkey, but they're not TURKS. They're either Greek or Armenian. Second of all, and more importantly (so address THIS point): the country is 96.1% Muslim. Let me restate that: NINETY-SIX POINT ONE PERCENT. It is 0.6% Christian. Your argument is that we should ethnically & religiously cleanse the 96.1% super-majority in favor of the 0.6% minority...why? Under what logic does this minority have greater (not equal, but infinitely GREATER) rights than the majority? What logic if not outright genocidal hatred?
Posted by: Jeff B. at August 28, 2011 09:25 PM (D9z3D)
Posted by: basic bv at August 28, 2011 09:25 PM (bXs2k)
Posted by: BSR at August 28, 2011 09:25 PM (BH4RQ)
Never could get the widget to work consistently, probably I just don't understand it right. So I just open up the HTML view (the <> thing) and type this:
<a href="http://myurl.com">The text that you click on</a>
So when you click on "The text that you click on", it'll take you to the URL inside the quotes.
Posted by: Splunge at August 28, 2011 09:25 PM (2IW5Q)
But there are plenty of bigots out there who aren't sick and who do want stupid, insane things like "nuking Mecca" or "sending Muslims to the camps". They don't deserve any respite.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 28, 2011 09:26 PM (s7mIC)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 28, 2011 09:27 PM (bxiXv)
Jeff B. -copy this part of the link tinyurl.com/3gxlgfs no " http:// "
Highlight the text that will be the link
Click on the "link" icon
Paste the link (see above) in the link box (top right box)
Use the pull-down menu (next to the Source radio button) to select " http:// "
Click Insert Apply then OK
Posted by: Arbalest at August 28, 2011 09:28 PM (Sd30e)
Posted by: BSR at August 28, 2011 09:28 PM (BH4RQ)
Posted by: Lauren at August 28, 2011 09:29 PM (ghJ2e)
Seriously, why stop there? We should call it the Eastern Roman Empire. Let's set it up and if it can't recapture the Levant and North Africa while we're at it.
Posted by: Jeff B. at August 28, 2011 09:29 PM (D9z3D)
Posted by: BSR at August 28, 2011 09:31 PM (BH4RQ)
Posted by: Ace's liver at August 28, 2011 09:31 PM (1+XRG)
No, it is their choice. If they value their ancestral home more than their liberty, then they should stay.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 28, 2011 09:31 PM (s7mIC)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 28, 2011 09:32 PM (bxiXv)
You do realize I am going to be hung over for my class tomorrow.
And I am the one teaching it.
God damn you Ace.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 28, 2011 09:33 PM (s7mIC)
I think we should actively support oppressed religious minorities. Not by creating Constantinople2, obviously, but I do think that the plight of these people should factor into our Middle Eastern policy.
Posted by: Lauren at August 28, 2011 09:34 PM (ghJ2e)
Posted by: Lauren at August 29, 2011 01:29 AM (ghJ2e)
"...an alarming rate"? What rate?
In any event we're friends to liberty everywhere but guardians only of our own. What business is it of ours? Shall we use the US military to right every wrong in the world?
Posted by: Ace's liver at August 28, 2011 09:34 PM (1+XRG)
Well here's a real world problem: what can be done? Okay, aspies like Hesperado aside, we're not going to genocidally empty Egypt and the Horn of Africa of all Muslims. Nor are we going to engage in an eternal war or No-Fly Zone enforcement situation...we have limited $$$ and extremely limited national patience.
You want to know an uncomfortable fact? Something that pains me but is undeniable as a student history? Cultural populations die out all the time. It isn't unique to Islam or the modern era. Hell, the entirety of North Africa used to be one of the most vibrant outposts of Christianity in the world (remember, Augustine was the bishop of Hippo, near ancient Carthage). Ain't nothin' but a memory now. Islam used to dominate the southern Iberian peninsula: same story. I would like to see the Coptic Christians survive, but ultimately their survival or assimilation is going to be due to internal cultural factors in Egypt, and short of providing them a place to flee as refugees (which I wouldn't be opposed to) what can you do?
Posted by: Jeff B. at August 28, 2011 09:35 PM (D9z3D)
Posted by: BSR at August 28, 2011 09:35 PM (BH4RQ)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 28, 2011 09:36 PM (bxiXv)
Egypt will be an interesting test case for this.
Posted by: Lauren at August 28, 2011 09:37 PM (ghJ2e)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 28, 2011 09:37 PM (bxiXv)
Egypt will be an interesting test case for this.
Posted by: Lauren at August 29, 2011 01:37 AM (ghJ2e)
Eh... you want us to loudly voice our disapproval? This sounds like a job for Hans Blix!
Posted by: Ace's liver at August 28, 2011 09:39 PM (1+XRG)
Hesperado is, I think, someone who took significant pains to collect many facts, do a lot of analysis, head towards supportable, defendable conclusions ... and then miss a turn, or several ... and end up with the stuff he posted on his blog.
I figured that someone would've read my post #818, and maybe see what he had to say, and respond accordingly.
Posted by: Arbalest at August 28, 2011 09:39 PM (Sd30e)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 28, 2011 09:40 PM (bxiXv)
However, I do believe with the right president, we could have some impact.
Posted by: Lauren at August 28, 2011 09:43 PM (ghJ2e)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 28, 2011 09:44 PM (bxiXv)
"You did see the quotes from his blog, right?
This is not a minor difference of opinions, annexing Turkey goes a little beyond that."
Yes, I saw some of these things around post #800. while all of you were trading shots. "Turkey" comes in at #963, so it is not the cause; I did not see H's blog post, but I'm aware of some goose-stepping type who advocate this.
I figured all of you had a purpose, and maybe this was the best way. I figured faster way might have been to let him make a claim or two, then ...
Posted by: Arbalest at August 28, 2011 09:55 PM (Sd30e)
Yeah, I'm not seeing WW III as the right solution to this problem. At least, not yet.
The funny thing is about half of Turkish Muslims are Muslim in the same way the Europeans are Christian. If we leave them alone they're not going to threaten anyone. But if we were to try to exile them from their own country... I don't think it could be done, even if we wanted to. Not without nuking our fellow NATO member.
Posted by: Ace's liver at August 28, 2011 09:55 PM (1+XRG)
Posted by: Jeff B. at August 28, 2011 09:59 PM (D9z3D)
Good re-post, Ace... Nice recap.
The reason why it is such a good thing that you've done here, with your in-depth attention to this whole episode....is because the venom from Geller is being re-posted and passed around as some sort of 'truth' about Governor Perry.
You have debunked and exposed Geller's fatwah against Rick Perry. And exposed Spencer's hypocrisy as well.
Thank you.
Well done.
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at August 28, 2011 10:43 PM (/DS6c)
I just remember Cathy Seipp (GRHS) picking up on the weird self promotion of Geller back in the beginnings of Blog beginning utopia. But since, Pam, is just too fricken shrill for my taste and a bit too prone to defend her positions, observations, statements no matter how wrong they may be shown to be.
I've always respected Ace's ability to own up to, publish straight up mistakes, misconceptions, misunderstandings or just flat out wrong observations. His admissions, besides the flipping hilarious take, is the reason why I am a long time loyal APSHQ whore.
I can always trust him. I can trust that if Ace busts out a post proclaiming something that turns out not right, I will get an update as soon as he realizes or learns his posts is wrong. It's so awesome, and he won't blame anyone directly, just give you his rationalization for believing the subject matter in the first place to have posted such.
I do not get that with Geller. She digs in (ahem, much like that little green idiot who guilt by association-ed her)and doubles down and feverishly tries to prove her shrill, over the top crap.
I might be wrong, but I've seen the 50 going on Foever 21 on CNN(?) some cable new net -- she can hold her own, but it ain't prettah.
Posted by: Topsecretk9 at August 28, 2011 11:19 PM (PK7oq)
I meant to add that I can pretty mush rely on an Update in the headline or headline edit to reflect the edit/correction and that too is so awesome.
Posted by: Topsecretk9 at August 28, 2011 11:23 PM (PK7oq)
Hesperado's critique is that Spencer just went after Muslism radicalism, and doesn't realize that the real problem is Muslims themselves, that we need a New Holocaust to solve the problem once and for all.
I wouldn't accuse Jeff of lying -- that would require too much cleverness on his part. Poor reading comprehension is more than adequate, Occam's-razor-wise, to account for his abysmal mischaracterization.
Posted by: Hesperado at August 28, 2011 11:56 PM (ipE4z)
http://tinyurl.com/yyz8r9
He begins the interview attacking the Pope for a lecture he gave in which he quoted some statements by Byzantine Emperor Manuel, which were negative on Islam. He takes the Pope to task not on whether the statements represented factual historical record, but because they caused "great unhappiness in the Islamic world." The Khan goes on to describe the period of history during which the newly emergent Islamic entity existed alongside Byzantium as a period "of extraordinary theological exchanges and debates between the Byzantine Empire and the Muslim world." No. Actually, that was a period of incessant violent warfare committed by the muslims against Byzantium that only ended with that city's fall to the Turks in fifteenth century. That's what's known as an attempt at whitewash.
The interviewer continues by asking the Khan if Islam has a problem with reason. The Khan responds by asserting that "Of the Abrahamic faiths, Islam is probably the one that places the greatest emphasis on knowledge...Islam is a faith of reason." Okay, so apart from being a complete bullshitter, we can see clearly this is not a man dedicated to Pluralism- he's an outright partizan for Islam.
Spiegel goes on to ask the Khan about the root causes of terrorism. Khan responds by citing "Unsolved political conflicts, frustration and, above all, ignorance. Nothing that was born out of a theological conflict." LOL! Haven't heard that one before. Not in any Koranic exhortations to violence against the unbelievers, you understand- just damned ignorance! He then dissembles with the usual "all religions have been violent at one time or another" and finishes on the subject by asserting that Islam specifically has never called for violence- "...it is a faith of peace.".This is a flat-out demonstrable, thru the teeth bald-faced lie. The man's a snake.
He attacks Samuel Huntington for his book The Clash of Civilizations and the "dangerous ignorance" that work displayed. And then went on about there not being a "clash of civilizations", but a "clash of ignorance".
Here's the true insight into the character and mind of the Khan- when asked by Spiegel which side was responsible for that clash, Khan responds by saying-
"Both. But essentially the Western world."
"Both", that's the Pluralist talking. Feigning even-handedness. But after that pathetic attempt at seeming objective and non-judgmental, he goes on to lay the blame squarely at the feet of the West. We see here, the Khan showing his true face- the devotee and partizan for Islam. Like all classic Islamist liars, he'll show the false face of moderation here, and his true face Islamic face there. He really thinks we're too stupid to see through his act. Well, it would seem that Rick Perry is.
When asked about the compatibility of Islam with Democracy, he answers by saying his Democratic beliefs don't trace back to the French or the Greeks, "...but to an era 1,400 years ago." And begins going off about the Prophet(PBUH) blah blah blah. He goes on to attack Bush for Iraq, assures the interviewer that he's in regular contact with the leaders of Iran, and then pushes for the normalization of Hamas, as they just need a chance to moderate.
This is an interview that could have been given by Tariq Ramadan, or Imam Ralph or Ibe Hooper or any one of the other notorious stealth Islamist creeps. Anyone here still care to defend this guy?
It's case closed on the Khan. The question is now- wtf was Rick Perry thinking in hooking up with this guy?
Posted by: november1981 at August 29, 2011 12:26 AM (+HAu2)
Posted by: Damn Dirty RINO at August 29, 2011 03:00 AM (+iwM3)
The speech Perry gave in honor of the Aga Khan that I linked above took place in 2008. What kind of relationship Perry still has with him and what kind of access would Khan have to a Perry White House is something we deserve to know. In that speech, Perry mentioned a visit he took with his wife to one of the Khan's centers in Pakistan, so I imagine this is not a friendship that has ended or will any time soon.
How many other characters like the Aga Khan is Perry tied up with? How many Khan-types do we have on the loose in our country cooking up God knows what?
Posted by: november1981 at August 29, 2011 03:30 AM (+HAu2)
Posted by: Damn Dirty RINO at August 29, 2011 03:36 AM (+iwM3)
Whatever side of the argument you fall on, Perry needs to answer WHY he was working with Aga Khan at all.
Sidenote: why has all the Islamic curriculum been recently sanitized from the TX sites?
Posted by: LadyLiberty1885 at August 29, 2011 04:02 AM (4FAf8)
@LadyLiberty1885, who wrote, "Perry needs to answer WHY he was working with Aga Khan at all."
I understand Khan is the relgious leader for thousands of Governor Perry's constituents. The 'why' of Perry's association with the man is not hidden three layers deep in a Da Vinci painting. Another thing: if Perry or his people do respond to any of Spencer's and Geller's ridiculous 'Perry as dhimmi' accusations, then it would give those claims credence and--by even addressing this kind of kookery--also show that Perry and his people aren't ready for the big leagues. Not only does Perry not need to answer. He shouldn't answer.
Posted by: troyriser at August 29, 2011 04:43 AM (vtiE6)
Posted by: mph at August 29, 2011 07:31 AM (52oFR)
Okay, what part of "I'd rather do permanent incapacitating injury to my eyes than read all this crap" did you not understand the first time?
Stop it! STOP IT!!! Take it to e-mail. Sue them. Challenge them to pistol duels at dawn. Send a couple of hobos to kidnap them and work them over with a pair of pliers and a blowtorch. Go Patrick Bateman on them yourself. Do what you feel like you have to do, but for the love of God and all else that's holy, make it stop.
Posted by: Rich Fader at August 29, 2011 08:47 AM (SF/wy)
More specifically, while various flavors of "Conservatives" may be more or less conservative about a whole spectrum of sociopolitical issues -- on the one issue of the problem of Islam, they more often than not tend to react just as Leftists would.
It's a fascinating, if disquieting and frustrating (even infuriating) phenomenon.
Posted by: Hesperado at August 29, 2011 09:30 AM (jtTQ0)
Posted by: Hesperado at August 29, 2011 09:37 AM (jtTQ0)
Posted by: ArrMatey at August 29, 2011 07:11 PM (X6CuJ)
Posted by: Wild Thing at August 29, 2011 10:24 PM (VHoco)
Posted by: Robert B. Sklaroff, M.D. at August 30, 2011 06:20 AM (bmrGT)
Over here in Europe, the Eurabia myth has been adopted by the former neo-nazis, and they are getting all romantic about a European civil war starting about now. Wich was and is our own terrorists goal. Gates of Vienna is pretty high on the watch-list over here, our police are spending loads of resources on mapping these networks.
Anyway: Kudos to you, sirs, good to see sane republicans.
Posted by: Norwegian at August 30, 2011 11:15 AM (bedrx)
Posted by: Norwegian at August 30, 2011 11:18 AM (bedrx)
Yeah, cause if I ever wake up to see a mushroom cloud over Israel or some American metropolis, the first group I would suspect would be Gates of Vienna. Glad to see your police are all over the real threat.
Posted by: november1981 at August 30, 2011 11:27 AM (2+oMF)
Posted by: Norwegian at August 30, 2011 11:38 AM (bedrx)
Posted by: november1981 at August 30, 2011 11:54 AM (2+oMF)
Look, you pro-Israeli anti-jihad folks realy ought to cut down on the ritalin and start checking out cognitive therapy and the theory of thought-schemas. You fall into this trap of generalization and threat maximation at the moment someone even pokes you with a stick.
Posted by: Norwegian at August 30, 2011 12:00 PM (bedrx)
Posted by: Norwegian at August 30, 2011 12:04 PM (bedrx)
Posted by: november1981 at August 30, 2011 12:10 PM (2+oMF)
Posted by: november1981 at August 30, 2011 12:18 PM (2+oMF)
Yeah, I hate it that Jews fight back when they're attacked. Fnukin up the Fnords and all. Hey, tell your friends next time to fill their pockets with lead- it'll have them floating right to the top!
Posted by: november1981 at August 30, 2011 12:21 PM (2+oMF)
If you cant see that there is a certain fight to retain other ways than violence, then you are blind
Posted by: Norwegian at August 30, 2011 03:17 PM (1/jML)
Constructive criticism is what works.
Posted by: BayouCoyote at September 01, 2011 10:41 AM (0enaq)
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