1 1st

2
good sign, I guess

3
all I can think of is "The Mouse That Roared"

4 I still think they (and we) are making too much out of this on the CR. You can only squeeze so much blood out of a half eaten turnip.

We are feeding the MFM and wasting ammo. We need to wait for the first real budget.

5
Aim for the fences, a-holes. Maybe you'll hit a triple.

6 We're probably going to screw this up.

7 It is time for a showdown on spending, and there may never be a better time to draw the line in the sand. I expect the cuts (if any actually materialize with RINOs at the helm) will be painful, but pain now or worse pain later take your pick.  Besides, I want them to do it for the children (especially my grand-kids that the Progs are enslaving as we speak).

8 Wake me when the dismembering starts.

9 4 I still think they (and we) are making too much out of this on the CR. You can only squeeze so much blood out of a half eaten turnip.

We are feeding the MFM and wasting ammo. We need to wait for the first real budget.


The fight was finished long ago. None of them apparently read the pledge which states the focus on the cuts would be 2008 levels, not $100B. Regardless, Ryan wanted to cut more and he's getting that chance now. I say he should go for whatever high-end number he can get.

10
hey, I got an idea.

Let's get Paul Ryan to the SOTU rebuttal!

11 I dunno. Maybe they think of this as laying down a marker: even with the CR, even with the little cuts we can expect, we're going to make you cut deep. Perhaps the leadership will get the message when the real budget comes down the pike.

12 We're probably going to screw this up.
Posted by: (R) at February 09, 2011 05:01

We'll see.

13 11 I dunno. Maybe they think of this as laying down a marker: even with the CR, even with the little cuts we can expect, we're going to make you cut deep. Perhaps the leadership will get the message when the real budget comes down the pike.

The 1st real budget cuts are promised to be in the range of $5T, so let's see if they can exceed that.

14 You think democrat would trade 25% defense cuts for the abolition of medicaid. Well of course they would not but it's a good way of being "bipartisan". By promising to cut military, which they hate, then it will do something.

15 This is the hill to die on.

If they don't make the deep cuts like they promised they're toast.

16 Update:

Some members were upset that they didn’t get a chance to talk at the conference meeting. At times, the meeting was quite heated. The source familiar with the meeting says,”They’re putting a lot of emotion out on the table early,” and adds that freshman said the cuts were peanuts and their constituents don’t think even $100 billion is enough.

RSC members are still discussing whether they’d prefer picking and choosing targets within the budget or going with a big across-the-board cut of non-security domestic discretionary spending to get to $100 billion. The Ryan number would have already been unheard of–doubling down on it would represent an epochal cut.

17
wow and that Marco Rubio is really tearing up the Senate with his awesome conservatism.

This is what happens when you put too much faith and star-power in politicians. They will always let you down.

First and foremost, politicians care about themselves.

18 They need to get a CR going pronto that will get rid of the "shut down the government" BS -- fund only necessary departments to minimal levels -- Defense, courts, etc.

Then, start talking about funding A or B -- and go "bipartisan". Stuff like, are we going to have the EPA or OSHA? -- then, whichever gets picked, just throw the other one over the side. When it starts getting to stuff like "NPR or any part of the FCC that doesn't do over-the-air frequency allocation?", we'll see what fun is.

19 when Paul Ryan has become the squish, that's progress.

So we've been well on our way to getting our shit together for over ten years now.

I hadn't noticed.

20 The CR funds the govt from March to September, so I'm wondering how much they think they can get out of this one. Also, why was Ryan trying to negotiate up instead of down? It would have been better to just forget the squishy members on the outside and come forward with what you really wanted instead of just holding to The Pledge. Though he also said he was encouraged about the discussion. Eh, this whole thing has become bizarre political theatre.

21 I don't expect our leaders to actually lead, but they do at least have to try to keep up. Tea Party Manifesto in a single sentence.

22 They also better come up with a number quickly-- and only for the CR, as is intended*-- since they have to pass this by next Thursday or try again right before the beginning of March. I'm thinking Rogers might be able to get a bill finished by Monday now.


_{*They wanted to jam the May budget into the CR previously.}

23 Update:

A GOP aide close to House conservatives tells NRO: “If the bill that comes to the floor next week does not get to the $100 billion mark ($378 in total non-security spending for the year), our plan has always been to offer an amendment to close the gap. So if they come in at $420 billion for non-security, we’d go for another $42 billion in cuts to get down to the $378 billion total. Leadership has said that their plan is just the ‘first bite at the apple.’ We understand that, but a lot of conservatives just think the first bite needs to be bigger.”

24 Jim Jordan already said he was going to offer his amendment, Cantor said it was fine and Ryan indicated he would vote for it, so why are they repeating this? They should just negotiate now that they're caused such a ruckus. Either stick to it or be exposing for a phony whiner who's just showing-off for your constituents.

25 They need to be trained how to vote the right way. We're coaching them. They'll come around eventually.

26 They have momentum, even if it is to just squeeze blood out of a turnip, and they have a Budget Chairman who's said he's open to compromise, so they should try to make Boehner, Cantor, and McCarthy take this. If they aren't going to do this, then they should have just brought forward the amendments.

27 Keep up the pressure --maybe they still listen to their constituents!!

28 They need to be trained how to vote the right way. We're coaching them. They'll come around eventually.

Funny, I was just thinking the exact same thing...

29

IMO the BEST thing that could happen is another series of TEA Party Rallys on April 15.

Without that, Status Quo inside the beltway folks will think the movement is dead, and they dodged the bullet... and there will not be the Fundamental change needed.... they will go back to business as usual (as McCain is already doing).

30 31 IMO the BEST thing that could happen is another series of TEA Party Rallys on April 15...

That would also be good timing for the 1st "real budget" which is due in May.

31

UPDATE II: Another House aide close to the situation confirms to NRO’s Bob Costa that there is “growing anxiety” among the freshmen and the fiscal conservatives that the Ryan plan does not go “far enough” and that his plan will be seen as “breaking” the Pledge to America.

“ItÂ’s a poor sign that Congress can get serious about fiscal disciple over the next two years,” the aide says. “Even some of the more pragmatic members donÂ’t see the logic of the Ryan plan; that even if you donÂ’t want to see the cuts take effect, for negotiating and political purposes, you want to go into the negotiations with the Senate with the biggest possible number.” In other words, “even if the bill that Obama signs doesnÂ’t equal a $100 billion cut,  having the House pass a cut of that size will be seen as a ‘win.Â’  And by that logic, why not just start with the $100 billion figure?”

“At the very least, Boehner and Cantor underestimated the amount of opposition that the Ryan plan would have within the conference,” the aide concludes. “Things are in flux. A bit messy. But if you’re Jim Jordan, you’re feeling pretty good right now.”

32 Great, now we have an aide admitting that part of this is just for political reasons.

33 So just what did anyone expect from the GOP LOSERSHIP?   Power in WA is generally related to spending money on things that bring you power.  Go figure that these same folks have trouble finding ways to cut spending -- it's a cut to their power.  

Simple Solution -- When running a deficit, ALL LEADERSHIP POSITIONS should come from the lowest quarter of spenders in last session, REGARDLESS of party.  

34

@25: "Hey, we won. Let's compromise right off the bat..."

Compromise? Damn, the GOP is getting tougher.  Their plan used to be, "Hey, we won. Let's surrender!"

35

"The clout of tea party advocates and other hard-line conservatives in Congress has caught top Republicans by surprise, raising questions about whether GOP leaders can impose enough discipline in their House majority to pass tough measures, such as raising the debt ceiling.

Within 24 hours this week, House Speaker John Boehner's team had to pull a trade bill from the chamber floor, suffered an embarrassing setback on a USA Patriot Act vote, and failed to recoup money paid to the United Nations."

Feb 9, 5:44 PM EST

36 The Patriot Act vote actually had less to do with Tea Party members than it did with more Dems voting against and some freshmen voting against because they were angry at McCarthy. They were only 7 votes short, but McCarthy should have known that.

37

This was a chance for Ryan to lead and he blew it and I believe that people will remember that when he had the chance to show his mettle that he blew it.

There will be a time in the not to distant future imo, when Americans will demand a leader and they will also demand that he not be it.

38 39 This was a chance for Ryan to lead and he blew it and I believe that people will remember that when he had the chance to show his mettle that he blew it.

There will be a time in the not to distant future imo, when Americans will demand a leader and they will also demand that he not be it.

For God's sake, this is a continuing resolution we're talking about here. He didn't get to write this budget, only pick a number. The Pledge specifically states that they would cut the budget to '08 levels, and that's what he did. This infighting is about the fact that the leadership dropped the ball on messaging to the extent that people think the pledge was $100B, not 2008. So wait until he actually gets to write the damn thing before accusing him of selling-out over a fucking continuing resolution.

The text: "Cut government spending to pre-stimulus, pre-bailout levels saving at least $100 billion in the first year alone."

39

There will be a time in the not to distant future imo, when Americans will demand a leader and they will also demand that he not be it.

Posted by: Hussein

Jeeze, when did Ryan run over your dog?

40 But this idea about unspending money that's already been spent, thinking that this budget lasts past September, and also having this daft idea that the Republicans get to draft a new budget before May is one of the most idiotic things I've seen.

41 Most of the product of the Republican House will be symbolic.  The post said that the freshman Republicans thought the number was an insult.  Fortunately for us we've got you guys to set us straight. 

42 While I'm at it, fuck Kevin McCarthy for actually being a spineless weasel who's kissing-up to Steny Hoyer and fuck John Boehner for royally screwing-the-pooch when it came to this whole $100B pledge. If you imbeciles would have explained this correctly-- like Ryan, Hensarling, and their other colleagues did-- then there wouldn't be this mess.

43 F'get about the people's business. Send pics of yo self naked to skanks on Craig's List

44 Directly underneath that Lee link is this POS story:

After Toyota's deadly problem with sticking accelerators, a government proposal would require new cars to have onboard data recorders, which is pitting safety concerns against privacy concerns.

How about this Fox:

After the made up and phony Toyota problem with sticking accelerators, yet another stupid government proposal for more stupid and costly auto regulations would require new cars to have onboard data recorders, which will do nothing but feed shyster lawyers and screw everybody.

45 Oops wrong thread, sorry.

46 If the debt ceiling is raised, there will be no spending cuts. Everybody knows this. Everybody.

47 43 Most of the product of the Republican House will be symbolic.  The post said that the freshman Republicans thought the number was an insult.  Fortunately for us we've got you guys to set us straight.

Yes, and they only want the number because it looks good, not because of principle. It's in Lowry's report and they can't take that back now. But they could have gotten their $100B through Jim Jordan's amendment and it would have passed easily-- and even Jeff Flake admitted it. This is about Kabuki theatre.   

48

Posted by: Somebody at February 09, 2011 06:26 PM (sZ+lP)

"Because it looks good" is going to be the most substance that will come out of this congress for the next two years.  That doesn't mean it isn't important.  Why the BS number in the first place if they intended to up it later.  A hat tip to more BS collegiality?  It sends a message to the people that they aren't really serious. 

 

49 50 "Because it looks good" is going to be the most substance that will come out of this congress for the next two years.  That doesn't mean it isn't important.  Why the BS number in the first place if they intended to up it later.  A hat tip to more BS collegiality?  It sends a message to the people that they aren't really serious.

It was because they actually wanted a shot at passing it in the Senate. A number of Dems who are increasingly worried about their reelection bids were actually seriously considering the proposal. It likely would have failed anyway, but they had the chance to flip several people.

What happens now is that they wasted their energy when they should have been more concerned about the May budget, about the one Ryan actually will write himself. The Dems are rubbing their hands right now because they are off-the-hook about pretending to care. We're going to get, what, maybe $5B in actual cuts out of this? Maybe $10B max?

I want them to try to save the Republic, not make meaningless gestures that won't matter once it's dead. 

50 2008 budget: $2.9 trillion dollars So what's spending going to be for fiscal 2011? The Republican leadership is full of shit on cutting to to 2008 levels, somebody.

51 When the Repubs made the pledge, they knew the government was going to be funded by CR. Its not our fault they made a pledge they knew they couldn't deliver.

52 Looking at that sidebar story on Steele blowing a million dollars in expenses looking at the Miami convention site looks like a good place to cut completely to zero.

It seems that the federal government is spending millions for both Parties on these useless PR commercials. These things have been obsolete since we went to the primary system decades ago.

KILL THEM

53 53 When the Repubs made the pledge, they knew the government was going to be funded by CR. Its not our fault they made a pledge they knew they couldn't deliver.

This is what it says: "Cut government spending to pre-stimulus, pre-bailout levels saving at least $100 billion in the first year alone."


Whoever stuck this in there (some aide, probably) should have left the amount of estimated savings. Some Rs in the leadership who didn't read the document kept repeating the $100B in cuts instead of savings. They shot themselves in the foot over something that doesn't matter as much as the debt ceiling and the May budget.

54 When was the last time the Feds reduced spending? I'm thinking it probably has never happened before.

55 $100B Reached

House Conservatives Persuade Leaders to Slash Spending Further

House Republican leaders have agreed to a key conservative demand that they make good on their campaign pledge to reduce fiscal 2011 spending to $100 billion less than President Barack ObamaÂ’s budget request, GOP aides said Wednesday.

According to a GOP leadership aide, Majority Leader Eric Cantor  (R-Va.) and other leaders are working with Republican appropriators, the Republican Study Committee and other conservatives on a “unified” strategy to reduce spending beyond the $74 billion in cuts they had already planned. The cuts, which would only apply to non-defense discretionary spending, would come as part of a continuing resolution to fund the government between March and the end of the fiscal year.

“From the start, our focus has been to cut spending so that we can grow the economy, and right now there are a lot of moving parts and we’re actively working to bring the Conference together with a unified strategy,” the aide said.

It remains unclear how Republicans will make the additional $26 billion in cuts. Cantor has reportedly directed appropriators to stay on schedule and introduce their CR on Thursday. Because Republicans are still hashing out their strategy, it appears unlikely the additional cuts would be included in the bill, and a second aide suggested they could come in the form of an amendment.

It is also unclear whether the cuts will be made across the board or whether certain areas would be targeted for deeper cuts.

56 http://tinyurl.com/65ou8dz

57 Does cutting Obama's proposed 2011 budget by $100 billion reach pre-stimulus and pre-bailout (200 levels?

58 Describe for me the difference between 'almost' in open revolt and 'actually being' in open revolt, that is if you think you can.

59 /sock off

Something is not right here. They had a crisis & resolved it that quickly? It's almost like it was manufactured to make Boehner look like a hero for relenting. I really don't know what to think about this, especially with the House leadership all taking different positions on the issue over the past 2wks.

60

this is from Rich Lowry, just the other day he claimed that "Jeb Bush Must Run!"

 

really Rich?

really?

61 K Lo's update is from Roll Call. Apparently, the "crisis" was so awful that aides were able to craft articles to send to the press and Cantor was already in talks as to how to up this thing by $26B. Then you factor-in that the Budget Committee Chairman didn't like his own proposal (he wanted it higher), Jim Jordan was always going to get his money, and Boehner had a bad day today, so I'm thinking this "crisis" was staged.

62 YEAR......REV.....SPDG...DEFICIT (IN TRILLIONS)
FY1996 -- 1.458 -- 1.560 = 0.102
FY1997 -- 1.579 -- 1.692 = 0.113
FY1998 -- 1.721 -- 1.651 = 0.070
FY1999 -- 1.827 -- 1.705 = 0.122
FY2000 -- 2.025 -- 1.788 = 0.247
FY2001 -- 1.990 -- 1.863 = 0.127
FY2002 -- 1.853 -- 2.011 = 0.158
FY2003 -- 1.783 -- 2.160 = 0.378
FY2004 -- 1.880 -- 2.293 = 0.413
FY2005 -- 2.154 -- 2.472 = 0.318
FY2006 -- 2.407 -- 2.655 = 0.348
FY2007 -- 2.568 -- 2.731 = 0.163
FY2008 -- 2.524 -- 2.983 = 0.459
FY2009 -- 2.105 -- 3.518 = 1.413
FY2010 -- 2.162 -- 3.456 = 1.294
FY2011 -- x.xxx -- x.xxx = 1.480est. 0.371 3 months

63 All right, a week late but go go go. Smack dat tenuous elephant, go for the Big Cuts

64 The Rev/ Spending/ Deficit list above is very useful So since OBama came into office. Government lost 400b revenue and increased spending by 500b

65 Time for the hawks and doves to get together and pull the plug on free rides for nasty nancy pelosi

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Do not bring that weak shit into this House!

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