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June 14, 2011

Rick Perry Charms Local Texas Media in 2005
— Ace

There's a little dispute here. Perry seems to be repeating the reporter's words -- "I'm not going to wait that long" -- but the reporter (and the rest of the Texas media) claims the reporter said "I can't win on this one."

Eh, doesn't matter all that much either way. Clearly Perry thought he'd said "I'm not going to wait that long."

Listen to the reporter's ponderous, pompous voice and tell me he didn't deserve this.

Now, I'm looking at Perry in the two video clips at Hot Air. Both are worth watching, to get a sense of him. Glenn Beck seems ready to join Team Perry.

It's uncanny how much he looks and sounds like Bush. That's not a good thing, of course. And that "Adios mofo" line is pure Bush.

But before anyone freaks out too much, bear in mind the liberals' joke will be "They're bringing up another governor from Texas who was a pilot."

Ha-ha.

But bear in mind that's a joke. The liberals will mean it, of course -- they're dumb -- but how many people exactly do you think are going to be persuaded by the insinuation that this is the same person in (thin) disguise, or a clone, or a cyborg?

Probably not many.

But there are uncanny similarities.

Perry married his high school sweetheart. That's not exactly Bush's story, but I'll count it as ballpark.

Perry was an Air Force Pilot. Thankfully, not TANG, but USAF. Served 72-77 flying C-130 transports. I checked the dates of his education and I don't see any Vietnam dodging.

Perry also gives the press corps "funny" nicknames, like "mofo," "stupid ass," and "Professor Dickweed." (Ricky Bobby joke.)

Anyway. I have inside information that Governor Perry is "giving a presidential run appropriate consideration."

My source for that insider tip is Governor Perry himself, who says it on Cavuto.

Oh, and Rich Lowry just saw Perry give a speech, and thinks it sounds like it could easily be a presidential stump speech.

Thanks to Dave In Texas.

Posted by: Ace at 08:46 PM | Comments (179)
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1 Another reason Romney will win is that collectively, unconsciously, we seek to repent for chosing McCain, who lost; and Obama, who is making us lose now.

Posted by: ParisParamusInBrooklyn at June 14, 2011 08:49 PM (QN76w)

2 First!

Posted by: Crazee at June 14, 2011 08:49 PM (H3ujh)

3 Argh, darn it.

Posted by: Crazee at June 14, 2011 08:49 PM (H3ujh)

4 loose.

Posted by: ParisParamusInBrooklyn at June 14, 2011 08:51 PM (QN76w)

5 The only way I would vote for Romney is if he is the nominee. I will have to hold my nose to do it. I will vote for ABO... Anyone but Obama.

Posted by: Donna at June 14, 2011 08:51 PM (bdE9c)

Posted by: Donna at June 15, 2011 12:51 AM (bdE9c)

Works for me.

Posted by: ParisParamusInBrooklyn at June 14, 2011 08:54 PM (QN76w)

7 He wants nothing to do with "compassionate conservatism"

Posted by: Jose at June 14, 2011 08:55 PM (WTNJJ)

8 I think you give the public too much credit, Ace. If a governor of Texas is nominated, I think that a very large portion of the populace will immediately associate him with Bush and will vote against him in the general.

Posted by: J at June 14, 2011 08:55 PM (zU5wy)

9 Sarah.

Posted by: sherlock at June 14, 2011 08:56 PM (thr9V)

10 He called a reporter "mofo"? Hire this guy!

Posted by: Unclefacts, mobile edition at June 14, 2011 08:56 PM (6IReR)

11 I don't think that. I also think that Bush is currently polling ballpark near Obama anyway. And this is silly. He's not Bush, clearly. This isn't Star Trek. Bush didn't even endorse him in his last run. He endorsed Kay Bailey Hutchinson.

Posted by: ace at June 14, 2011 08:58 PM (nj1bB)

Still,

I like to cook them ribs...SSSlllow

Posted by: Richard at June 14, 2011 08:58 PM (N/wjH)

13 9 -- can we have comments that are more than "sarah"?

Posted by: ace at June 14, 2011 08:58 PM (nj1bB)

14 This is like the doomsday machine in Lost, and the secret code "Sarah" must be entered on all blogs every 108 seconds.

Posted by: ace at June 14, 2011 08:59 PM (nj1bB)

15 Heh. I love the snippy caption under the video. Ooooh... Perry called out a reporter for being an ass. Let's get him back with a snide comment!

Can more of our elected officials start calling reporters "mofos?" Please?

Posted by: soulpile is...expendable, s.a. at June 14, 2011 09:01 PM (afWhQ)

No.

Sarah.

Posted by: sherlock at June 14, 2011 09:01 PM (thr9V)

17 You sound fucking retarded. This doesn't help you. It's like a cult. Sarah. Sarah. Sarah. Sarah. Sarah.

Posted by: ace at June 14, 2011 09:01 PM (nj1bB)

I don' t need help. What I need is no more Bush-lites and RINOs.

Posted by: sherlock at June 14, 2011 09:04 PM (thr9V)

19 If Palin's such a superstar, is she going to wither and die if anyone else gets a moment of attention without her name being brought up?

Posted by: ace at June 14, 2011 09:04 PM (nj1bB)

20 We could do worse.....

....which is such an inspiring slogan.

Posted by: cthulhu at June 14, 2011 09:04 PM (kaalw)

21 Ace, I know that, and YOU know that, and all the morons on this site know that, but, like I said, you're giving the public too much credit. I'm not a Paulbot who screams about the "Sheeple," or anything like that, but to a considerable (maybe 20%) portion of the public, a politician with a Texan accent, for the next decade or so, will be associated with Bush.

There's just a lot of idiots in the populace. Always have been.

Posted by: J at June 14, 2011 09:04 PM (zU5wy)

22 sarah sarah sarah sarah sarah sarah sarah

Posted by: ace at June 14, 2011 09:04 PM (nj1bB)

23 what you need is a fucking hobby that takes you out of the shrine once in a while.

Posted by: ace at June 14, 2011 09:05 PM (nj1bB)

Or,

We could kick off a spirited debate on the rodney (never in a thousand years) king (most deserving of a total brain damaging lead pipe thrashing until....well brain damaged) beating video which cost the city of L.A MULTI-MILLS.....shit they should have just shot the perp..serious..he EARNED IT!..HE EARNED IT!!!

Posted by: Richard at June 14, 2011 09:07 PM (N/wjH)

But what if he quits as Governor to run for President?

Fuckin quitter.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at June 14, 2011 09:07 PM (Wh0W+)

26 If he joined the AF in 72 he didn't dodge Vietnam. The AF was pretty heavily involved until 73.

Posted by: robtr at June 14, 2011 09:08 PM (MtwBb)

27 Christine

Posted by: ace at June 14, 2011 09:09 PM (nj1bB)

28 Someone has learned to spell "fucking", and "retard".

Posted by: sherlock at June 14, 2011 09:10 PM (thr9V)

29 Ace, heÂ’s just a geek with a Buffy fixation. Gellar will never be the nominee.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at June 14, 2011 09:10 PM (7Ahkq)

Night M&M's

Posted by: Richard at June 14, 2011 09:10 PM (N/wjH)

31 someone has learned to type "sarah" into every single thread on the internet. .

Posted by: ace at June 14, 2011 09:11 PM (nj1bB)

Damn Ace, I told you in the other thread we're having some technical gliches with the Bush 3.0 model. Now it's not only promoting free markets it's jammering about some Constitution thingy.

Can't you write something about Palin or that chick with all the kids? Give us a break, it's late - we're exhausted!

Posted by: Karl Rove at June 14, 2011 09:11 PM (sMgrb)

33 Gov. Perry doesn't sound much like Bush 43 to me but it might if I lived in another state. Regardless of how he such similarities, though, he isn't President Bush. He's been quite adamant about that and it's true he's more conservative. I think there was more enthusiasm for Bush 43 than there is for Perry, but it might be from him being governor so long. Still, pit him against a majority of the others in this field and I suddenly feel more enthusiastic.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at June 14, 2011 09:11 PM (ITYRW)

34 Great, political tourettes.

Posted by: Doofus at June 14, 2011 09:12 PM (5hgSJ)

35 Karl Rove, Sure. After all, you called that Christine O'Donnell thing pretty accurately. What a disaster. Just as you predicted. Of course, you used analysis to predict that, rather than a near-religious fervor, so you had an unfair advantage.

Posted by: ace at June 14, 2011 09:13 PM (nj1bB)

36 28 Someone has learned to spell "fucking", and "retard".

Posted by: sherlock at June 15, 2011 01:10 AM (thr9V)

But can they spell it in Latin?

Posted by: observer at June 14, 2011 09:13 PM (VzVQP)

37 It's like a cult.

Sarah.

Sarah.

Sarah.

Sarah.

Sarah.

Posted by: ace at June 15, 2011 01:01 AM (nj1bB)

It also sounds like a very cool daisy chain in a Star Trek porno.

Maybe the world's best transporter accident?

Posted by: Automatic SkyNet joke generator at June 14, 2011 09:13 PM (73tyQ)

Rick Perry would slice like a fuckin hammer in a debate with Palin.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at June 14, 2011 09:15 PM (Wh0W+)

Not if we don't get it fixed he won't, you moron.

Posted by: Karl Rove at June 14, 2011 09:18 PM (sMgrb)

40 Karl Rove, I wanted to thank you for calling that. That whole idea you had that it was not, in fact, the "most conservative-talking candidate" who wins, necessarily. But that a plausible candidate must convince the public she's actually capable of handling the job *first*, before any ideological differences are even considered. I like how you made that incredibly counter-intuitive observation, and stuck to your guns, even in the face of the... zero evidence offered to contradict it.

Posted by: ace at June 14, 2011 09:18 PM (nj1bB)

41 Sad to say, I share J's concern about another Texas governor running for President...I also share his/her lack of faith in the public.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at June 14, 2011 09:19 PM (jn3w5)

42 He refers to the press as "stupid ass"? I agree, Hire this man!

Posted by: Case at June 14, 2011 09:19 PM (0K+Kw)

43 17 You sound fucking retarded. This doesn't help you.

It's like a cult.

Sarah.

Posted by: ace at June 15, 2011 01:01 AM (nj1bB)

This happens at Hot Air in every thread. Some conservative -- "Conservative A" -- will make a good speech or comment on a TV show and it'll take about 10 comments before someone writes:

"Palin/'Conservative A' 2012"

Every. Thread.

Posted by: robviously at June 14, 2011 09:19 PM (V08a0)

44 Miss'80sBaby I appreciate your sentiments, but I really am inspired by Palin, and I just don't think a Texan is going to fly this time around. Palin can win, no matter how much the MSM tells us prays she can't. I and many of the rest of the country detest the MSM. If we don't defeat them now with a charismatic candidate that has a legitimate grudge against them, when will we?

Posted by: sherlock at June 14, 2011 09:21 PM (thr9V)

45 Karl Rove, I also wanted to offer my apologies for all the heat you're getting. See, right now, Lee Stranahan, who promoted the "hack" theory, can't seem to stop giving me shit. Whereas I say nothing to him. It's a funny thing -- when people are WRONG, they are often too immature to admit this to themselves, and, casting about for a "bad guy," begin attacking people just for having been RIGHT when they were WRONG. Thus, all the shit you continue to get. Some people can't handle that they were simply wrong on Christine O'Donnell, and that other fruitbat Sharon Angle, and rather than saying "Hey, called that wrong," they're simply going to gin up hate against you, all for the sin of having been correct.

Posted by: ace at June 14, 2011 09:21 PM (nj1bB)

46
It's uncanny how much he looks and sounds like Bush.

My thoughts exactly.

(Don't tell Andi Sullivan.)

Posted by: arhooley at June 14, 2011 09:22 PM (elBGR)

47 BTW If he ever refers to the press as, 'A bunch of sorry commie bastards', thats ok with me too.

Posted by: Case at June 14, 2011 09:23 PM (0K+Kw)

48 You're welcome. It's late, good night.

Posted by: Karl Rove at June 14, 2011 09:23 PM (sMgrb)

Hell, I'd like to see em both declare.

Just for that debate.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at June 14, 2011 09:24 PM (Wh0W+)

50 But don't let it get you down, Karl Rove. Some "men" are a little too emotional to deal to accurately evaluate their own track records, and too insecure, intellectually, to ever confess error. Confessing error, of course, is the mark of a secure mind. But they don't have that, so they're going to continue to pretend that you were somehow "wrong" in being right, and they were "right" in being so terribly wrong. It happens. I see this every day. Not all men are actually emotionally cool. For too many men, emotion is such an odd thing they don't quite know how to handle it, and feelings of shame and insecurity are channeled into a "safe" emotion -- one which reveals no vulnerabilities, at least not superficially -- and that emotion is anger and scorn.

Posted by: ace at June 14, 2011 09:24 PM (nj1bB)

51 Two trick pony.
Weiner.
Sarah.

Gaaaaaaaaaah.
Can you beat the dead horses some more? Please.

Posted by: Derak at June 14, 2011 09:25 PM (CjpKH)

52 Uh oh. Ace is getting angry and scornful. Better bring the cat in.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at June 14, 2011 09:27 PM (7Ahkq)

53 ace = Ace ?

Posted by: sherlock at June 14, 2011 09:27 PM (thr9V)

54 No shit, sherlock

Posted by: Doofus at June 14, 2011 09:29 PM (5hgSJ)

It happens. I see this every day. Not all men are actually emotionally cool. For too many men, emotion is such an odd thing they don't quite know how to handle it, and feelings of shame and insecurity are channeled into a "safe" emotion -- one which reveals no vulnerabilities, at least not superficially -- and that emotion is anger and scorn.

Posted by: ace at June 15, 2011 01:24 AM (nj1bB)

Like going into a blind rage and derailing a thread when one commenter makes a comment that probably would have been ignored otherwise...

Posted by: buzzion at June 14, 2011 09:29 PM (oVQFe)

56 Doofus, how long have you been waiting to say that?

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at June 14, 2011 09:30 PM (7Ahkq)

57 Eh. Since everyone wants to talk about it, let's talk about how terribly wrong Karl Rove was about Christine O'Donnell and Sharron Angle. Let's talk about how faulty his political instincts were. And therefore how defective they might be going forward. Let's hash out this bullshit that some people continue peddling.

Posted by: ace at June 14, 2011 09:31 PM (nj1bB)

I'm watching that season 2 episode of the old Twilight Zone series with William Shatner in that diner with the little fortune telling machine with the devil's head on it.. and he's got a fistful of pennies.

"Did you know that car would almost hit us?"

Sarah

"Will I get that promotion?"

Sarah

"Will it still take four hours before the car is ready?"

...

Sarah

Posted by: Dave in Texas at June 14, 2011 09:31 PM (Wh0W+)

59 Derak, I'm not the one determined to have Sarah Palin make a surprise appearance in every goddamned thread. If she's doing so damn well, why does she need so much free Sarahbot advertising?

Posted by: ace at June 14, 2011 09:32 PM (nj1bB)

60 buildabear

buildabear

buildabear

can haz gay porn link?

Posted by: cats.understand.really.inane.obviously.useless.syllogisms at June 14, 2011 09:33 PM (agD4m)

61 Wait everyone wants to talk about it? One or two comments and that's everyone? I was kind of wanting to read comment about, Rick Perry smacking around the media.

Posted by: buzzion at June 14, 2011 09:34 PM (oVQFe)

62 I simply fired when the target presented itself, Mr. Blair.

Posted by: Doofus at June 14, 2011 09:34 PM (5hgSJ)

63 oh right it's my fault because I don't do gavel-to-gavel coverage of her family's summer vacation.

Posted by: ace at June 14, 2011 09:34 PM (nj1bB)

64 56 Doofus, how long have you been waiting to say that? I hope not too long, since I get it about 4 times a week, minimum. But the sagacity of it always amazes me, honestly it does. ps. at least he uses a lowercase "s".

Posted by: sherlock at June 14, 2011 09:34 PM (thr9V)

65 At this point, odds are pretty good anyone dropping Sarah onto a thread where they know you are active is just doing it to spin you up.

You're pretty funny when you are spun up.

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at June 14, 2011 09:36 PM (agD4m)

66 sigh. Sarah.

Posted by: ace at June 14, 2011 09:37 PM (nj1bB)

67 Is the ambush set? Good. Blow the Sarah-whistle.

Posted by: The Knights Who Say Sarah at June 14, 2011 09:38 PM (agD4m)

68 Ron Paul!!!1!

Posted by: J at June 14, 2011 09:38 PM (zU5wy)

Posted by: Rick Perry at June 14, 2011 09:39 PM (agD4m)

70 44 Miss'80sBaby I appreciate your sentiments, but I really am inspired by Palin, and I just don't think a Texan is going to fly this time around. Palin can win, no matter how much the MSM tells us prays she can't. I and many of the rest of the country detest the MSM. If we don't defeat them now with a charismatic candidate that has a legitimate grudge against them, when will we?

I'm just giving my impressions of Perry from watching him all these years. Like I said, he isn't Bush and he doesn't sound the same to me. He says a few words in a similar way (West Texas twang) but he doesn't have the Connecticut hint in his voice. His pitch is also different.

As for the Palin question, I can't compare the two as candidates until/unless she throws her hat in the ring. If she wants to run, she will run; if not, she will endorse someone else. Since Perry appears close to declaring, I can contrast him with the others and say that, while he's not perfect, he currently appears to be the best all-around candidate. (It would be Bachmann but House members don't usually become presidents and I prefer executive experience.)

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at June 14, 2011 09:39 PM (ITYRW)

71 Palin/Perry!

Posted by: ZombieVader at June 14, 2011 09:39 PM (MG9dC)

72 The Palin R3VO_|ution!!!!

Posted by: ace at June 14, 2011 09:40 PM (nj1bB)

73 Loviatar. Loviatar. Loviatar.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at June 14, 2011 09:40 PM (7Ahkq)

74 69

Posted by: Rick Perry at June 15, 2011 01:39 AM (agD4m)

Sorry you're apparently no longer welcome on this thread.

Posted by: buzzion at June 14, 2011 09:40 PM (oVQFe)

75 Probably not a good idea to comment the next time a Michelle Obama thread goes up.

Posted by: Nostrodamus at June 14, 2011 09:41 PM (agD4m)

"It really isn't possible to tell the future, is it?"

Sarah

Posted by: Dave in Texas at June 14, 2011 09:42 PM (Wh0W+)

77 Perry would make a pretty good energy secretary for some other candidate. Not sure who. Someone with more charisma, maybe a talent for pushing media buttons.

Posted by: Guy Who Is Totally Not Saying Who He's Supporting (But Here's a Hint: Para Sailin') at June 14, 2011 09:43 PM (nj1bB)

78 I told the future once, it didn't listen.

Posted by: Doofus at June 14, 2011 09:43 PM (5hgSJ)

79 Sarah Badger don't give a shit.

Posted by: Randall at June 14, 2011 09:43 PM (agD4m)

80 I don't know about this Perry guy. He seems to have deficiencies. For one thing, I like my candidates to have a handsome husband. Is there anyone who might run like that?

Posted by: Guy Who's Not Coming At You With Any Agenda At All at June 14, 2011 09:45 PM (nj1bB)

81 Jeb Hensarling 2012!

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at June 14, 2011 09:45 PM (ITYRW)

82
Posted by: The Knights Who Say Sarah at June 15, 2011 01:38 AM

Crossbows or longbows?

Posted by: John King at June 14, 2011 09:46 PM (elBGR)

83 Fiat currency

Posted by: Paulians for L. Ron Paul at June 14, 2011 09:46 PM (agD4m)

Miss'80sBaby, thanks for sharing your views on Perry. I admit I have sort of pushed him out of my consciousness for the obvious trivial reasons. I'll watch Perry a little more carefully now that someone has explained their interest in him.

In a gentlewomanly fashion, I mean.

Posted by: sherlock at June 14, 2011 09:47 PM (thr9V)

85 Let me ask one question. One question. This is the only thing that matters to me in a candidate. Has he ever killed a wolf from a chopper? No? *Next.*

Posted by: Guy Who Just Hates Wolves at June 14, 2011 09:47 PM (nj1bB)

It made you call the office today. It made you stay here instead of leave. And now it's telling your where you're going to live.

Are you just going to let that thing run your life?

...

Sarah

Posted by: Dave in Texas at June 14, 2011 09:48 PM (Wh0W+)

87 Hey, you ever know anybody who grunts when they talk, you know, like they are talking to you while they acting out a samurai movie they've got playing in their head?

Me neither.

Posted by: John King at June 14, 2011 09:48 PM (agD4m)

88 I once shot a varmint up close and personal. Right in the face.

Posted by: Rick Perry at June 14, 2011 09:49 PM (agD4m)

Has he ever killed a wolf from a chopper Piper SuperCub?

You people are just fucking with me now aren't you? You'll see. You'll see.

Posted by: sherlock at June 14, 2011 09:50 PM (thr9V)

90 You people are just fucking with me now aren't you?

Unless you're a condom, no.

Posted by: Doofus at June 14, 2011 09:52 PM (5hgSJ)

91
I don't think there's any need for ANYONE to post here as ace's multiple personality disorder episode is doing just fine by itself.

Posted by: arhooley at June 14, 2011 09:53 PM (elBGR)

92 G'nite all M&Ms and trolls wherever you are.

Posted by: sherlock at June 14, 2011 09:53 PM (thr9V)

93 Okay, just want to get one thing clear. Does this "Perry" have any kind of experience as a businessman? Preferably in the small-company commercial fishing industry? Preferably the *Arctic* small-company commercial fishing industry? No? I don't know. That's a pretty huge hole in his resume. That might be a deal-breaker for me.

Posted by: Guy Who Just Hates Arctic Char at June 14, 2011 09:54 PM (nj1bB)

94 84 Miss'80sBaby, thanks for sharing your views on Perry. I admit I have sort of pushed him out of my consciousness for the obvious trivial reasons. I'll watch Perry a little more carefully now that someone has explained their interest in him.

In a gentlewomanly fashion, I mean.

Perry is still not my all-time favorite politician and he has his flaws, but primaries are about comparing the substance of the candidates in the race and about what they have to offer. Bachmann comes closer (between the two) on sharing my policy views but Perry is better on both executive experience and overall record.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at June 14, 2011 09:54 PM (ITYRW)

95 Goodnight, Gehenna.

Posted by: Loviatar at June 14, 2011 09:55 PM (7Ahkq)

96 Perry used to work in construction during his high school summers. They called him Perry Mason.

Posted by: OzJohnnie at June 14, 2011 09:56 PM (RJY0+)

97 Back in the day, when he could sing, Perry fronted classic rock legends Journey. Folks called him Steve.

Posted by: OzJohnnie at June 14, 2011 10:00 PM (RJY0+)

98 Rick Perry worked his way through college giving speeches at funerals. they called him Pericles.

Posted by: Picking up a meme at June 14, 2011 10:02 PM (agD4m)

99 We know all about multiple-personality disorder

Posted by: cat lady with 1,000 friends at June 14, 2011 10:04 PM (agD4m)

100 I would vote for the dawn door man, for gods sake. We have a drunken and high with mary jane bus driver who wants to floor the gas pedal on the bus and half the damn passengers cheering him on with some passengers (the MSM) yelling out how awesome he is driving. Either we stop the drunk and throw him off the bus or we are going to crash and burn. Enough said.

Posted by: hous bin pharteen at June 14, 2011 10:05 PM (V+/pV)

101 Actually, all this frettin' about who is running doesn't bother me too much. I'm not overly invested in the idea that we need the ideal candidate to win. What we need is for the final candidate, hopefully a rather mainstream type person (PAUL!!111!1!!!11), to develop grade A advocacy skills for conservative principles. I want as a stretch objective, a wonk of Ryan's understanding, an advocate of Christie's passion and a smoothie in the vein of Romney. If Perry can develop that then bully for him and us. If not Perry, then someone else. I'm backing the outcome not the person. Let the boys and girls fight it out and we'll see who best meets the requirements. It's important to remember, I might remind you all, that we are far more in tune with the debate and the issues than at least 90% of the public. There is time for the Champ to tone up before the big fight. We don't need the Great White Hope sticking his head up yet in order to win. I counsel patience, y'all.

Posted by: OzJohnnie at June 14, 2011 10:05 PM (RJY0+)

102 Rumor has it that Rick Perry was early to puberty. The kids in fifth grade at Paint Greek Elementary (Google it) used to call him Harry Perry. It was brutal back then.

Posted by: OzJohnnie at June 14, 2011 10:09 PM (RJY0+)

103 Anyone that calls out the MBM as MaxiPads for Satan's bleeding butthole automatically gets an extra point from me.

Still, when it comes down to it I'm in the Donna camp -- ABO

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 14, 2011 10:10 PM (ENKCw)

104 Or Hairy Parry. Where's the frickin' edit button around here?

Posted by: OzJohnnie at June 14, 2011 10:10 PM (RJY0+)

105
I counsel patience, y'all.
Posted by: OzJohnnie at June 15, 2011 02:05 AM

One can hope the noise makes Obama nervous. The world can't wait. Nevertheless, our kids will go trick-or-treating twice before the next election.

Posted by: arhooley at June 14, 2011 10:12 PM (elBGR)

106
Where's the frickin' edit button around here?
Posted by: OzJohnnie at June 15, 2011 02:10 AM

There's a legend that it will appear when ace's tip jar gets full.

Posted by: arhooley at June 14, 2011 10:13 PM (elBGR)

107 bear in mind the liberals' joke will be "They're bringing up another governor from Texas who was a pilot." That's a fine strategy. "Bah, he's completely qualified and experienced!"

Posted by: t-bird at June 14, 2011 10:14 PM (FcR7P)

108 Dedicated to Ace

Posted by: chemjeff at June 14, 2011 10:14 PM (PPoON)

109 Ace, I don't want to get into a pissing match with you, but you're bringing up how right you were on everybody from COD to Sharron Angle.

And you're absolutely right on both of those counts.

But you got one wrong and refuse to see that the guy was a huge cockholster:

Joe Miller.

Now, I didn't want Liza Moocowski reelected, and if I lived in AK, I would've voted against her.

But Miller was a dick and a bad candidate.

Posted by: The Q at June 14, 2011 10:16 PM (NdE8F)

110 77

OTOH, that post makes me not wanna fight about anything.

I owe you a bottle of Valurite for that

Posted by: The Q at June 14, 2011 10:17 PM (NdE8F)

111 I guess I got Miller wrong. His bio was great. His temperament turned out bad. And there was that odd write-in. However, in getting that wrong, I got it wrong *in the Tea Party/purity conservative* direction. I.e., we were both wrong there. It's not as if I backed a RINO there and said he was a good candidate and then the RINO lost.

Posted by: ace at June 14, 2011 10:18 PM (nj1bB)

112 I reckon that Obama's stumbling stumbles are making him nervous. He may want to run as a NotA to MyAchingA but some deft skill at speechifying will force him to defend his B somewhat. I'm looking for the Christie disciple that ignores the moderator during a 'debate' and does some ol' fashioned confrontation by turning to the One and asking What about 9.1% unemployment? What about 1.9 mil fewer jobs post stimulus? And then returning to the theme when His Worshipful Golf Gamer ignores the questions and pleads for help from the moderator. What the hell do we need moderators for anyway? My wife and I have debates without a moderator. Yes, we needed an arbitrator for a few months but that blew over. Lincoln - Douglas, baby! No moderators!

Posted by: OzJohnnie at June 14, 2011 10:19 PM (RJY0+)

113 chem, hah. also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctuqceo390o

Posted by: ace at June 14, 2011 10:20 PM (nj1bB)

114 Certainly true. It was his temperament that let him down in my book, but you were heading in the right direction.

And losing to a write-in, first time since 1954 . . . hard to hold it against you.

And if I did, those sockpuppet Palin posts more than make up for it.

Breitbart might even start reading the main posts based on the comments!

Posted by: The Q at June 14, 2011 10:21 PM (NdE8F)

115 Must agree with Miss80s, Perry doesn't really remind me of Bush at all. Must be a Texas thing vs. other regions of the country thing. But with Obama, it seems to me if the economy continues to suck, which it will, wouldn't the nostalgia of competence have its rewards? And I say that not as a Perry fan, really. I was kind of surprised that the Bushes came out for KBH so large. At the time I thought, they must like Perry about as much as I do, but I think out of Texas you people might consider him conservative. Hell, you all thought Bush was. lol

And now, for Sarah!!

If she was smart, she'd back Perry all the way, support him, get everyone on board for that in exchange for a post as Energy Secretary to show off her chops in a serious manner (I) so that she could leave the window to run open when she's demonstrated her incredible moxy under a Perry administration. (II)

Course I can't stand Rick Perry.

Posted by: Lana at June 14, 2011 10:21 PM (MpHql)

116 And as someone who loathed the Bush Administration, this is my view of another Texas governor running for Prez:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6buJGU7wiBg

Posted by: The Q at June 14, 2011 10:22 PM (NdE8F)

117
wouldn't the nostalgia of competence have its rewards?

This is what I was thinking. He has an uncanny resemblance to Bush. Is that a bad thing?

Posted by: arhooley at June 14, 2011 10:27 PM (elBGR)

118 I got other ones wrong -- Bielat, that Ruth girl in AZ. But again in those cases I wasn't diverging from the people I argue with on this point. That is, few people were telling me "Don't support Bielat! Go with Barney Frank!" The point I keep trying to make is that I backed virtually every non-establishment/grassroots/Tea Party *winner.* It's not like I took a general stance against these candidates -- I supported those I thought could win (Rubio, Lee, Toomey, Scott, West, etc., etc.) and opposed those I thought could not win (Christine O'Donnell, most notably). Hell, I even campaigned for that fruitbat Sharon Angle. I didn't actually oppose her because before I knew it the plausible candidates had imploded and she was last man standing. People want to make it this ridiculous thing -- either you're for every fruitbat flake that comes up, or you're a RINO!!!! Why can't I do what William F. Buckley suggests?-- Support the most conservative candidate WHO CAN WIN? In some cases, that will simply be the most conservative candidate, period. In other cases, that will NOT be the most conservative candidate, as in the case of Castle. But this bullshit rap, that I'm going with safe establishment figures. No, mostly I side with the Tea Party. But when the Tea Party puts up true wackadoos and wingnuts, then I call shenanigans. And some people want to act as if there's some authenticity and virtue in supporting wackadoos and wingnuts doomed to get crushed. I don't.

Posted by: ace at June 14, 2011 10:29 PM (nj1bB)

119 Remember when Gore ran and military service was no big deal?
And then when Kerry ran and military service was the only thing that mattered?
And then when Obama ran and it wasn't even worth mentioning?
I think it'll be that way again. Just sayin'.

Posted by: AmishDude at June 14, 2011 10:39 PM (73tyQ)

120 I think America wants a president with the balls to tell snotty Establishment Media types "adios mofo".

Posted by: Phelps at June 14, 2011 10:40 PM (ACp4b)

121 And I have to say a lot of this does have the texture of religion. A lot of times I bring up evidence and data, and what I'm countered with is non-rational stuff like slogans and dogma -- "Conservatism, works every time it's tried!" That's wonderful. But the data says it doesn't "work every time it's tried." Are we now actively embracing "dumb" as some kind of key virtue of conservatism? Am I some kind of RINO poseur because I bring up shit like data and numbers rather than constantly speaking in a quasi-religious speech of bromides and cliches?

Posted by: ace at June 14, 2011 10:40 PM (nj1bB)

122 119

I think I know where you're going with this, my friend.

Posted by: Juan McCain at June 14, 2011 10:40 PM (NdE8F)

123 Has he ever killed a wolf from a chopper? No? *Next.* Killed a coyote while he was out jogging. I think that's better. (Also, 100% true. Big media story down here when it happened. Then he proceeded to do campaign stops at gun stores and give advice on pistols to customers.)

Posted by: Phelps at June 14, 2011 10:42 PM (ACp4b)

124

The only reason O'Donnell and Delaware had any traction at all nationally was that it occurred the week before the actual election campaigns began. It went Alaska-Delaware-Elections.

If that race had happened in earlier in the summer it would have been nothing. Just another election going on that was a long shot. But because it was the week before, after it was done so many had invested that they just felt that they couldn't divest from it, because there really wasn't an opportunity for them to. It probably would have ended up like a situation that happened out in Colorado.

It was frickin' Delaware and its over. Far too many people here want to keep bringing it up. It was a choice between a douche and a turd. And while the turd probably had a better chance of beating the pile of vomit, the voters chose the douche that had no chance. But still its fucking Delaware! Why do so many on both sides want that to be the line in the sand on if you're good enough or dead to the movement.

Posted by: buzzion at June 14, 2011 10:42 PM (oVQFe)

125 121

I don't necessarily think that data and numbers are rejected by all GOP voters, or even all AoSHQ comment givers.

I do think that it seems prevalent among the supporters of a certain candidate in 2011.

Ironically, that candidate, in 2007 or 2008, would've been more inclined to agree with you and me on data and numbers.

Posted by: The Q at June 14, 2011 10:43 PM (NdE8F)

126 Nostalgia of competence?!?!?!? There are still far, far too many people who think that Bush was a dope and caused the economy to tank so bad that not even the Lightworker can save it. When I point out the numbers they ignore me or accuse me of lying. Of course, living in Philly I'm totally surrounded by these idiots, so my POV is skewed.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at June 14, 2011 10:44 PM (jn3w5)

127 124 It was a choice between a douche and a turd. And while the turd probably had a better chance of beating the pile of vomit, the voters chose the douche that had no chance.

I hope nobody's eating.

Posted by: The Q at June 14, 2011 10:45 PM (NdE8F)

128 I don't think Rick Perry has much resemblance to Bush. At all. And that's my problem, I understand. When we have elections in Texas, they are all, um, from Texas and they all sound like Texans. So we have to listen to what they say and then pay attention to what they do. I hadn't realized, and I should have, that the rest of the nation just hears Texas plus pilot plus Republican. I certainly don't do the same with say, Rudy and Bloomberg.

As an aside to ace, I think conservatives are so sick of what they consider the GOP establishment that they want fidelity to "not the GOP machine". And it doesn't matter what candidate fills that role. What matters is if you're with the machine trying to cram a candidate down our throat that we do not want or you're with the people who refuse to be crammed into that box by the establishment. And the disloyalty, backstabbing, etc by operatives in the GOP when they lose makes it worse. At least, that's my take on it. I get both sides actually.

Posted by: Lana at June 14, 2011 10:47 PM (MpHql)

129 126

Honestly, anybody at that point that blames Bush is willfully ignorant.

Bush, Clinton, & Reagan all inherited bad economies when they were elected. All of them showed at least certain positive indicators of an emerging economy within their first term.

If things are still f'ed up, it's O's fault.

Posted by: The Q at June 14, 2011 10:47 PM (NdE8F)

130 I know it, and you know it......

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at June 14, 2011 10:54 PM (jn3w5)

131 I've known about that mofo thing for a million years and it's often been the only thing I like about Perry.

For some reason, I like him a lot for our nominee, though. I guess he wasn't that bad. He ran the state OK and he's got lots of experience and he appears to hate Obama's guts.

What we need is an attacker like Romney was last night, but with real experience as governor (romney doesn't have that, since his governorship sucked and he lost reelection so badly he didn't even run for it).

Posted by: Dustin at June 14, 2011 10:57 PM (Q3nWV)

132 Damn Sockpuppet,

Well, it was more a question than a statement. I have no idea what is going on in other parts of the country and your point may be very valid. A candidate from Texas might be the just like that Bush guy to lots of folks. I was thinking, remember that low unemployment rate and the good economy? Good times now that we think about it? But perhaps that kind of perspective isn't available to the percentage of idiots who swing the election. Yourself not included, obviously.

I just remember that when the election swings on the economy, which it most certainly will, other considerations take a marginal back seat to pocket book issues. Are they enough to overcome the similarities between Bush and Perry to the general public? Perhaps not. But keep in mind Clinton beat Bush 41 after Desert Storm. It could happen. Would it be a position of strength from which run on? Good question. Do we have a position of strength to run on currently? I think any plausible candidate we run is going to be hard to beat based on the economy.

Posted by: Lana at June 14, 2011 11:00 PM (MpHql)

133 Yes, Lana, I think many people wish they could go back in time 8 years or so.

But then again, a lot of people have been convinced Bush screwed up. The media is relentless in casting him as an idiot.

Honestly, as a Texan, I never saw them as the same, so my perspective might be different. I saw W and Perry as different faction leaders, actually. I think Perry is like Romney with a southern accent. And more experience. And less baggage. He is not my ideal, but he's a good candidate for sure. And really, guys, Palin likes him. She may not even run if he does.

I do like Palin plenty, but come on. She isn't as competitive. This seems really obvious.

Posted by: Dustin at June 14, 2011 11:08 PM (Q3nWV)

134 Dustin,

I like Perry as the nominee for exactly the reasons I dislike him. By my experience he is a smooth, calculating, pandering, ruthless mofo and it helps him win. Course, I've been calling him the Bill Clinton snake oil salesman of Texas since 1994. But I grudgingly see that it will help him win. And now? I'm just entertaining the other choices available to see if I like anyone else's chances better. Bottom line, Obama has got to go, he's ripe to be beaten, and we just need a good candidate to do it. Hell, we just need a competent candidate who isn't a gooftard.

Posted by: Lana at June 14, 2011 11:08 PM (MpHql)

135

"Adios MoFo!" Luv it!

Perry won me over with that zinger. Lol!

He is meeting with Giuliani tomorrow so something's up. I hope both he & Giuliani run. The more the merrier. They are both friends of Sarah's and foes of Mitt's so the GOP race is about to get real interesting.

Posted by: derised1 at June 14, 2011 11:08 PM (memxl)

136 "By my experience he is a smooth, calculating, pandering, ruthless mofo and it helps him win"

Oh sure. I agree. He is not my ideal. He is not a true pure conservative, just based on his mandate and eminent domain history. Though those two things happened over eight entire years of leadership of a huge and complex state. He's constitutionally weak,but still, a lot of decisions had to be made.

Compared to someone with the same amount of decisions and fewer signs of calculation? or similar economic stability/competence? That candidate doesn't exist.

Yes, he's pandering to the right these days. He's been running for President for two years.

In office, I am confident he would be more like W than like a true blue Tea Partier. However, I think he would govern smartly, and he would sign reforms the House and Senate passed, if they ever did their jobs.

We could do so much worse.

"Obama has got to go, he's ripe to be beaten, and we just need a good candidate to do it. Hell, we just need a competent candidate who isn't a gooftard."

That's exactly how I feel.

Posted by: Dustin at June 14, 2011 11:42 PM (Q3nWV)

137 I'm going to vote for Huntsman because Bob Schieffer told me to.

Posted by: TexasJew at June 15, 2011 12:23 AM (qNJxv)

138

Sarah spelled backwards is Haras.

Jon Huntsman told me that, and he is really smart for a weaksuck RINO twat.

Posted by: TexasJew at June 15, 2011 12:27 AM (qNJxv)

139

Dustin

In my dealings with the Governor - I've never seen any evidence of pandering, the problem I have with Rick - is actually - he's not a politician - but everything he does is given some shallow nefarious political slant - by a hyper partisan Texas NY Liberal media (most media in Texas are transplanted)

My problems with Rick is he is unassuming, too quiet and seems to enjoy life and seems to be amused at the antics of the liberals, lets people make up stuff about him and generally just does whats best for Texas all the time

Posted by: EricPWJohnson at June 15, 2011 12:28 AM (6xrsv)

140

I worked for W in Midland in the early 80's.

Rick Perry neither looks nor sounds like W.

Posted by: TexasJew at June 15, 2011 12:32 AM (qNJxv)

141

"Jon Huntsman told me that, and he is really smart for a weaksuck RINO twat.

Posted by: TexasJew at June 15, 2011 04:27 AM (qNJxv)"

I don't think you have to worry about Huntsman. He's about as credible as EPWJ.

Posted by: Dustin at June 15, 2011 12:32 AM (Q3nWV)

142 BTW, EPWJ lies about Jews and tends to play a weird concern troll game. My honest guess is he's either a very dedicated moby of a Ron Paul supporter without the balls to own his position.

What I know for sure is that he's told a great many lies on a different blog, and if you google his name, it's clear he's pissed off just about everyone who has had time to deal with him.

It doesn't matter here... though I will note he is a pathological liar. He claimed to be overseas for the past many years, and now he's claiming to deal with the Texas governor. He's one of those guys.

Posted by: Dustin at June 15, 2011 12:38 AM (Q3nWV)

143

I miss Bill Clements. RIP

That was a governor with balls..

Posted by: TexasJew at June 15, 2011 12:39 AM (qNJxv)

144

142 BTW, EPWJ lies about Jews

Posted by: Dustin at June 15, 2011 04:38 AM (Q3nWV)

How does he lie about Jews? I never even fucked his wife except maybe once.

Posted by: TexasJew at June 15, 2011 12:45 AM (qNJxv)

145 This is a no brainer for me. Show me another potential/ declared candidates that is: - 3 term governor - has only a few blemishes on an otherwise solid conservative record - who's state has been leading the nation... by a lot... In damn near every economic indicator, and has shown consistent growth, for their entire tenure - has military experience - has no aversion to taking the pimp hand to the media/ Obama/ the media/ opponents, in person,and does it with class - solid, consistent track record of getting conservative legislation passed (if you think that's easy in TX, you've never been to Austin. It's like San Francisco with no bridge and a broken termostat.Plus, while I hate admitting it, TX is home to Queen Sheila Jackson Lee. Our senators are Kay Bailey Hutchinson and John "let not fund anything but sure win candidates" Cornyn. Yes, unfortunately we have a LOT of dumbasses) Heck, there's nobody running who could even honestly claim 3 out of five of those things. Nope, he ain't perfect. Far from it, but he's a damn sight better than our alternatives. Oh, and for the Palin folks that are offended by me talking about people who can hold job and show substantive, long term accomplishments... Palin is a Perry fan.

Posted by: Damiano (Zombie Reagan unless Perry gets with the program) at June 15, 2011 12:57 AM (3nrx7)

146 Perry should use that as an ad: Adios MoFo and then show a pic of Obummer

Posted by: izoneguy at June 15, 2011 01:08 AM (i6Neb)

147 Perry/Cheney 2012

Posted by: izoneguy at June 15, 2011 01:14 AM (i6Neb)

148 137 I'm going to vote for Huntsman because Bob Schieffer told me to. And if Bob Schieffer told you to blow me? You wood? No my wood.

Posted by: izoneguy at June 15, 2011 01:16 AM (i6Neb)

149 Perry reminds me of Palin.

Posted by: Gold Standard at June 15, 2011 01:17 AM (uPJN8)

150 And Ace is starting to remind me of Charles Johnson.

Posted by: Gold Standard at June 15, 2011 01:31 AM (uPJN8)

151

Texasjew

I lived in Doha Qatar for 6 years,having a conversation with a Egyptian and Iranian Professors they were expressing doubts as to the actual number of Perisan Jews that still live in Iran and the fact that there is still a Jewish community in Yemen. I made the mistake of trying to have a beer and pretzels discussion with some commentators at Patterico's blog thinking that it was totally wild in these times to see that some Arab countries had sizeable Jewish populations and there were synagogues within site of the Iranian dictators office window - or so these professors were telling me

what was fascinating was that the Jewish influence is quite strong in Iran is what these guys were contending, that there were many Jews many more Jews and people who are muslim but of hebrew origin in the Area around Tehran

Somehow this has gotten morphed into a meme when I point out Sarah Palins public record in Alaska - this is what gets spammed in his comment section...

counting the jews....

One must submit to the cup that Sarah provides or be forever a heretic -

Posted by: EricPWJohnson at June 15, 2011 01:44 AM (nYENA)

152 Damiano: "Oh, and for the Palin folks that are offended by me talking about people who can hold job and show substantive, long term accomplishments... Palin is a Perry fan."

I'm hedging my bet that Palin isn't running and is playing coy in order to be kingmaker. She's running interference for conservatives -- and for the GOP without their directing her operation or really having any input at all on her agenda -- by drawing fire while waiting for the field to narrow a bit on its own. If Perry announces, she'll endorse him. Next, the battle will be for the V.P. slot.

Perry is a decent choice. Not perfect but wholly qualified. "Balance the ticket" (and I'm not really sure what the balance should be) and the GOP will have a very good shot at the White House. Some of the candidates who will be dumped early can still serve as fine members of a GOP/conservative administration. Hopefully, rather than try to sabotage their competitors, the weaker candidates will keep their antagonism directed against Obama's administration while negotiating for positions on Team Tea Party/GOP.

Palin could be more effective with a national endorsement tour wherein she boosts conservatives at the local level to help widen the lead in the House and get a majority for the Senate. As much as I like Palin and would vote for her, I think she'd be more effective as kingmaker (again) and hope she'll keep pushing the GOP right, the Tea Party in, and the Progressives out while pissing all over the MBM.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at June 15, 2011 01:54 AM (1yViP)

153 Knock knock... (Wait for response) Sarah. (Wait for response) Sarah doctor in the house... to help the other candidates with their lameness?

Posted by: The Chap etc. at June 15, 2011 03:22 AM (hOOb8)

154

I work with someone, nice person weve become friends, sounds reflexively conservative, voted for obama because Palin scared them though. When I asked why - lack of experience. What? Compared to Obama at the time!?? Then I got - I guess it was the Tina Fey stuff. My response - ?????!!!

This person was not even aware that the GOP had a debate and when I mentioned Palin may still jump him they immediately said - yeah well she doesn't know her history. I swear this person gets their political news from comedy shows, whatever pops up on sports media and that's it. Too many people like this and worse and they vote :/

Posted by: Mark at June 15, 2011 03:42 AM (G8U0a)

155 So yeah, I'm sure this person will be saying Perry is just like Booosh!! and Obama et al will make anyone look worse than Obama so people like that will still vote for Obama again even though they keep telling me how much they dont like what he is doing.

Posted by: Mark at June 15, 2011 03:43 AM (G8U0a)

156 I hope someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember that Mofo comment as being addressed to Perry's staffer. The video isn't showing up on my IPad, but the way I remember the incident was that Perry was joking with his assistant, not insulting the reporter (unfortunately). The Perry video that's worse is the "can't you just let us get on down the road" one. I like Governor Mofo and would probably vote for him in the primary, but people have to remember that the nomination will probably be clinched by the time of the TX primary. our vote here rarely counts.

Posted by: sttace at June 15, 2011 03:55 AM (/vkAW)

157 Thats me at 157. Can't even spell my own damn name before coffee.

Posted by: stace at June 15, 2011 03:57 AM (/vkAW)

158 Sarah Sarah Sarah!

Posted by: Jan Brady at June 15, 2011 04:14 AM (QN76w)

159 spam

Posted by: ParisParamusInBrooklyn at June 15, 2011 04:14 AM (QN76w)

160 Do we really need 2 Mitts?

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at June 15, 2011 04:43 AM (0fzsA)

161

I kid.

His message is limited government, pure and simple.

I like that.

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at June 15, 2011 04:45 AM (0fzsA)

162 Bush 41 > Perry > Bush 43 > Mitt

Posted by: Bob Saget has not been banned yet at June 15, 2011 04:49 AM (F/4zf)

163 As a Palin supporter, I'm totally on board with Rick "James" Perry. He should bring it, and she should endorse him, like she did for his re-election campaign.

Big win.

Posted by: grognard at June 15, 2011 05:17 AM (NS2Mo)

164

I'm not a Paulbot who screams about the "Sheeple," or anything like that, but to a considerable (maybe 20%) portion of the public, a politician with a Texan accent, for the next decade or so, will be associated with Bush.

Um... that wouldn't be the 20% who want to socialize the farms, would it?

I hate Bush. But I'm also not an idiot... and to the extent people are, it's been 4 years - he's not as unpopular anymore.

If people are so dead set against BOOSH that they won't consider voting for anyone from Texas at all (Ron Paul is from Texas you know, Paul = BOOSH?) something tells me they may not be voting Republican anyway.

Because, y'know, BOOSH was a Republican and a considerable (maybe 20%) portion of the public, a politician with a Republican affiliation, for the next decade or so, will be associated with Bush.

Posted by: Entropy at June 15, 2011 05:22 AM (IsLT6)

165 Perry/Bachman!

Posted by: RINO Romney at June 15, 2011 05:38 AM (wOaLi)

166 >>>As an aside to ace, I think conservatives are so sick of what they consider the GOP establishment that they want fidelity to "not the GOP machine". And it doesn't matter what candidate fills that role. What matters is if you're with the machine trying to cram a candidate down our throat that we do not want or you're with the people who refuse to be crammed into that box by the establishment. And the disloyalty, backstabbing, etc by operatives in the GOP when they lose makes it worse. At least, that's my take on it. I get both sides actually. I get that impulse. But it's not "disloyalty" when someone notes Delaware has a D+ 8 partisan advantage (or whatever it is) and Christine O'Donnell is basically jobless and needing a steady gig. This is all Shooting the Messenger. I know people wanted O'Donnell and did not want Castle. But when people say "O'Donnell will get blown out," and turn out to be right, it is Shooting the Messenger to blame them for the reality they have accurately forecasted. It wasn't Karl Rove who stopped Christine O'Donnell. It was reality. Karl Rove is just the guy who explained reality, in advance. If some didn't want to hear about that, fine, but that's on them, and it's not "disloyal" for Karl Rove to do his job and accurately forecast candidate chances.

Posted by: ace at June 15, 2011 06:04 AM (nj1bB)

167 This is all Shooting the Messenger. I know people wanted O'Donnell and did not want Castle. But when people say "O'Donnell will get blown out," and turn out to be right, it is Shooting the Messenger to blame them for the reality they have accurately forecasted.

I understand this, but it's also possible for a high-profile conservative like Karl Rove to create self-fulfilling prophecies. I'm not saying that happened with O'Donnell, but the impulse to get out ahead of everything can definitely influence the path things eventually take.

Posted by: grognard at June 15, 2011 06:16 AM (NS2Mo)

168

A Perry run would be interesting at the naional level. I have never thought of him as a great campaigner. As a republican in Texas, the governor job has basically been his to lose. Say what you want about GW, but he galvanized this state for the GOP and was an incredibly popular governor. Perry did, in fact, ride his coattails. It will be fascinating to see what he can do on a national level, dealing with liberal republicans and independents during the campaign.

Posted by: Honey Badger at June 15, 2011 06:17 AM (GvYeG)

169 I think "Adios Mofo" would be a nice opening for an inaugural address.

Posted by: no good deed at June 15, 2011 06:21 AM (MZSfb)

170 >>>I understand this, but it's also possible for a high-profile conservative like Karl Rove to create self-fulfilling prophecies. No it's not. This is just the way that it's asserted that Shooting the Messenger is proper, because it turns out the Messenger caused the problem by delivering the message. What you want is a cocoon like they have on the left where reality is not permitted to intrude. I don't.

Posted by: ace at June 15, 2011 06:22 AM (nj1bB)

171 You claim, if taken seriously, would basically mean that people aren't permitted to warn you that Christine O'Donnell is a blithering idiot because if they dare voice this concern it will create a "self-fulfilling prophecy" and steal a win from her. Christine O'Donnell is/was an idiot. The moment I realized who she was -- that whiny, cloying, dumb-bunny guest of last resort I'd seen on daytime cable news shows, who always wound up convincing me of the *opposite* of what she was trying to convince me -- I joined with the other turncoats/betrayers/traitors in trying to tell people "She will not wear well. She will not be a good advocate for conservatism, but in fact will probably be such a bad advocate she'll hurt the cause." Am I not allowed to say this? I am so sick of this Ron Paul Bandwagon Illusion conceit, where everyone has to falsify their opinions and chant from the same Collective-approved hymnbook because if you do otherwise you're creating "self-fulfilling prophecies." Some people need to ask themselves if they're really against group-think, Collectively-Approved Reality, and the elements of self-selected totalitarian thought control, or they're only against such things if OTHER PEOPLE are crafting the message.

Posted by: ace at June 15, 2011 06:27 AM (nj1bB)

172

How many people voted for a candidate based upon what a "Karl Rove" said?

Realistically, Rove or - insert anyone not drinking from the "Tea flavor of the moment" cup - is instantly flogged as an liberal moby infidel - for saying anything realistic or even truthful - like Palin raised Taxes or Odonnell did not carry any districts against Biden -

Its best to just bow to the voices that tout free speech and conservatist freedoms the loudest or they will lower the boom on you and slam the door shut

Posted by: EricPWJohnson at June 15, 2011 06:50 AM (nYENA)

173 "Adios Mofo", sounds like a campaign slogan, and fits on a bumper sticker. Count me in.

Posted by: Casca at June 15, 2011 07:11 AM (jkbPn)

174 I wish Perry was like Bush. He benefitted from Bush's success as Governor. I don't believe he could have accomplished half of what Bush did if he were Governor instead. Antway I don't know if anyone corrected ace's earlier post but W did not endorse Hutchison. He did not endorse either candidate.

Posted by: polynikes - undecided at June 15, 2011 07:21 AM (xECRb)

175 Am I not allowed to say this?

Jesus, Ace, am I not allowed to present a reasonable devil's advocate viewpoint without you frothing and putting words in my mouth? Apparently not.

If you can't see how any talking head saying "candidate X is a nutcase" might influence people to indeed believe "candidate X is a nutcase" and depress votes in her favor, you're lost, dude.

Yes, you can warn people, but you also have to be cognizant that those warnings can have a fucking impact. You may think that most talking heads operate in good faith. I don't.

What you want is a cocoon like they have on the left where reality is not permitted to intrude.

Now back on your meds. Your attitude wasn't warranted, and I don't "want" to construct any kind of cocoon. GFY for this comment, seriously. There was nothing in my comment that demanded this sort of response.

Posted by: grognard at June 15, 2011 07:58 AM (NS2Mo)

176

Favorite bumpersticker to date has the nose-in-air picture of BHO

caption reads Does this ass make my car look fat?

Posted by: TheThinMan at June 15, 2011 08:54 AM (X6O1T)

177 Rick and the Bush's do not like each other. And Rick is on video stating in 2007 that Bush isn't and never was a fiscal con.

http://tinyurl.com/3oyk6hn

Posted by: thirteen28 at June 15, 2011 09:28 AM (AbmsP)

178 http://tinyurl.com/3oyk6hn

Posted by: thirteen28 at June 15, 2011 09:28 AM (AbmsP)

179 test test test

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