October 31, 2011
— Ace At the Cornerstone speech in New Hampshire. I'm including two videos: The "highlights," as cut together by opponents, and the full speech. I think the full speech, while being boring (as it doesn't just focus on the alleged drunken moments), disproves the drunk claims.
He doesn't seem drunk to me. He never slurs, and he speaks coherently. What is odd is that he's a lot sillier than usual, indulging in a teasing sort of comedic delivery. A goofy delivery in patches. Very goofy.
For what it's worthy, I don't think he should do this, because people aren't taking him very seriously at the moment, and so he doesn't need to goof it up. Maybe Romney could benefit from that sort of thing. (It's useful to play against type, but not so useful to play into type.) But Perry can't.
But drunk? Nah, just being goofy, with a teasing sort of humor that is... alas, Bush squared.
One example of that is when he discusses his Cut, Balance, and Grow plan and begins making lurching, Frankenstein/Dumb Guy hand gestures. But what he's doing, obviously, is spoofing the idea that he must have a quick bumper-sticker brand name for his plan, and is "Cut, Balance, and Grow." He's kind of leveling with the audience in noting that such branding efforts are inherently dumb, and mocking himself for going along with the required dumbness.
Drunk? Doesn't seem like it to me.
One question, though, is why is he so goofy/frisky? Talking with Ben Domenech, who's seen him this way in Austin once, he's guessing he's just tired and overdoing the "show energy" thing. The "highlights:"
The full speech:
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Posted by: fluffy occupies his cubicle at October 31, 2011 10:44 AM (4pSIn)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at October 31, 2011 10:44 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: toby928© Perrykrishna with tattooed knuckles at October 31, 2011 10:45 AM (GTbGH)
Posted by: YIKES! at October 31, 2011 10:45 AM (70TBD)
Posted by: tasker at October 31, 2011 10:46 AM (rJVPU)
Posted by: toby928© Perrykrishna with tattooed knuckles at October 31, 2011 10:46 AM (GTbGH)
I bet he's drunk from that foul working-class swill called beer, and not the elegant, sophisticated wine I'm drinking now, without any butter at all in it.
No, sir. No butter in my wine.
Posted by: David Frum at October 31, 2011 10:46 AM (zgHLA)
Posted by: Navin R Johnson at October 31, 2011 10:46 AM (HpT9p)
I've said it before and will again: I'll do my judging based on record, among Cain/Perry/Romney only one has any resembling a consistent, conservative political/policy record.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at October 31, 2011 10:47 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: tasker at October 31, 2011 10:47 AM (rJVPU)
Posted by: Wodeshed at October 31, 2011 10:48 AM (LEcV+)
Posted by: laceyunderalls at October 31, 2011 10:48 AM (pLTLS)
Either way, as silly as this speech was, it doesn't actually hurt my opinion of him. Actually sorta made me like him a bit more. But practically speaking I don't know it's the image he wants to be sending out right now.
Posted by: Jeff B. at October 31, 2011 10:48 AM (hIWe1)
Posted by: joncelli at October 31, 2011 10:48 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Wodeshed at October 31, 2011 02:48 PM (LEcV+)
From the front or the back?
Posted by: KG at October 31, 2011 10:49 AM (LD21B)
I say this is a big question because I heard about this stuff a month ago, and I didn't hear about two incidences. I heard about many more.
I did not have detailed information, certainly nothing publishable. But I heard there was a long and numerous history here.
Sound familiar?
Posted by: Breaker19 aka Rich Little at October 31, 2011 10:49 AM (yRoVn)
Posted by: Vic at October 31, 2011 10:49 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: mpurinTexas, Evil Conservanatrix, supports Rick getyourpawsofoffmeyoudamndirtyape Perry at October 31, 2011 10:49 AM (K7Gb2)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 31, 2011 10:50 AM (IqM9e)
Posted by: huerfano at October 31, 2011 10:50 AM (fecOD)
Posted by: Truman North likes Cain more than he ever did at October 31, 2011 10:50 AM (I2LwF)
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at October 31, 2011 10:50 AM (Xnw5y)
Posted by: Wodeshed at October 31, 2011 10:51 AM (LEcV+)
Posted by: John Galt at October 31, 2011 10:51 AM (9NQ6I)
I'm seriously nearing the point where I'd just rather let it all burn. I'm not there yet, but it's getting closer. And, yes, I realize that's my problem- I'm not advocating it for anyone else, simply stating my position.
Not that my vote in Texas will mean much, anyway.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at October 31, 2011 10:51 AM (8y9MW)
Oh and where's the link to the critics' claim?
Posted by: Arms Merchant at October 31, 2011 10:52 AM (hW3KZ)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 31, 2011 10:52 AM (IqM9e)
Ah have a PLAN for doin' that, mishter. Watch closely, ah dareya.
Oh bah the WAAAY, didja hear that Herman Cain boy ish a child moleshter?
*hic*
Posted by: Rick Perry at October 31, 2011 10:53 AM (Xnw5y)
Posted by: Ben at October 31, 2011 10:53 AM (wuv1c)
Posted by: © Sponge at October 31, 2011 10:53 AM (UK9cE)
I will explain exactly why Gov Perry is so animated in this speech.
He's addressing a small, friendly crowd. The setting is intimate and the atmosphere is light and informal.
Is this a fundraiser? Often times at these fundraisers the politicians are much less stiff in their speech because they're talking to a room full of friends.
Posted by: soothsayer at October 31, 2011 10:53 AM (sqkOB)
>>Call me when he breaks back into double digits.
And give Cain another week. The flood gates might be opening fairly soon.
Posted by: Ben at October 31, 2011 10:54 AM (wuv1c)
He was responding to some Bush speech, and he made a rambling, slurred, incomprehensible response.
On the channel I was watching, the talking head quickly cut away saying something to the effect of, "Obviously Mr Kerry is tired after a long day of campaigning and drinking My Tays. "
Though I might be misremembering the second part.
Posted by: 18-1 at October 31, 2011 10:54 AM (3aXbg)
We've missed you, Allen.
Posted by: Debra Medina and Ron Paul at October 31, 2011 10:54 AM (Xnw5y)
Posted by: Soona - Mayan liaison at October 31, 2011 10:54 AM (coN0Z)
Posted by: mpfs at October 31, 2011 10:55 AM (iYbLN)
Posted by: Wodeshed at October 31, 2011 10:55 AM (LEcV+)
He has probably adopted a "What the hell" attitude. "I can't get back on top being serious. Everyone is piling on. Conventional wisdom says I am done. I don't want to look desperate (even though I am). I have the money to fuck around until Cain implodes and conservatives look to me again as an alternative to Romney.
Posted by: CJ at October 31, 2011 10:55 AM (9KqcB)
It will become a "I can see Russia from my house" moment for the MFM and the Romneyclowns.
(See, I didn't use the offensive term "Romneybot")
Posted by: Vic at October 31, 2011 10:55 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: ace at October 31, 2011 10:56 AM (nj1bB)
>>>Geez...resigning yourself to Romney. Might as well bring back zombie Rockefeller.
In the primaires I've voting Perry, and if he drops out by the time they get here then I'm voting for Ron Paul.
In the generals I will vote R, but I won't vote for Romney in the primaries under any circumstances.
If he gets foist upon us then fine, but I will have no part it in.
Posted by: Ben at October 31, 2011 10:56 AM (wuv1c)
Maybe he just said fuckitall, he's lost already, may as well go down in a ball of flame.
Which is sad. I wonder if he'd take back that "heartless" comment right about now? That's what killed his campaign, much like Neut's "right-wing social engineering" comment about the Ryan tax plan. Neut, despite being the GOP Peacemaker and trying to go after the SCOAMF's policies in the early debates, never recovered.
Elephants never forget.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 31, 2011 10:56 AM (d0Tfm)
Holy fuck.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at October 31, 2011 10:57 AM (Xnw5y)
Posted by: tasker at October 31, 2011 10:57 AM (rJVPU)
Posted by: ace at October 31, 2011 10:57 AM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Aurvant at October 31, 2011 10:57 AM (D0slu)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 31, 2011 10:57 AM (JYheX)
Not this one. I thought it was hilarious, but honestly it's a side of Perry (whether 'chemically-enhanced' or otherwise) that I liked seeing.
Posted by: Jeff B. at October 31, 2011 10:57 AM (hIWe1)
I don't think he's drunk.
Like I said on another thread, it's probably his pain meds for his back. Back surgery takes a while to recoop from....and he's been on the campaign trail instead of doing much of any down time.
His overall goofy, loopiness is what happens to me when I have to take a pill for back pain. Sometimes one pill is not enough.....and two is too many. That goofy 'I love you man' attitude is what happens to me when I take more than one to kill the pain. [My prescription says 'take as needed'.]
He didn't waiver from his positions on any of the issues, did he? ....He didn't start spitting out toads of hatred towards anyone, did he?
If this is the worst that we can expect from Perry when he is a bit impaired from his pain meds.....then, I am not seeing the damage here.
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at October 31, 2011 10:58 AM (XkwIi)
I'm not willing to go that far: Foreign Policy is still important, after all. But Newt or Santorum? I could go with either of those (if they're in the race). Fact is, though, that by the time it gets to Texas it will probably all be over. It usually is.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at October 31, 2011 10:59 AM (8y9MW)
Romneybots flock to this but not to the thread of their mancrush
Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who Supports The Ban Of k1rwm at October 31, 2011 10:59 AM (yAor6)
Make the news with it.
Posted by: Breaker19 at October 31, 2011 10:59 AM (yRoVn)
I wonder if that stem-cell therapy he got for his back a few months ago helped any. There was a paralyzed South Korean woman a few years ago who had her own stem cells injected into her spine and she got some mobility back, but then succumbed to an intense, agonizing back-pain.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at October 31, 2011 10:59 AM (9hSKh)
>>>yeah, I said it, asshole. If you want to know what I'm hearing, there it is.
Oh my.
Posted by: Jeff B. at October 31, 2011 10:59 AM (hIWe1)
he's not drunk, I agree w/ Jeff B the pills may have made him loopy
Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who Supports The Ban Of k1rwm at October 31, 2011 11:00 AM (yAor6)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at October 31, 2011 11:00 AM (ieDPL)
Posted by: ace at October 31, 2011 02:56 PM (nj1bB)
He loves us....he really, really loves us.
Posted by: Tami-THE St. Louis Cardinals! at October 31, 2011 11:00 AM (X6akg)
he drops out by the time they get here then I'm voting for Ron Paul.
i'd vote for Huntsman before i'd vote for that kook!
Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who Supports The Ban Of k1rwm at October 31, 2011 11:00 AM (yAor6)
>>I'm not willing to go that far: Foreign Policy is still important, after all. But Newt or Santorum? I could go with either of those (if they're in the race). Fact is, though, that by the time it gets to Texas it will probably all be over. It usually is.
Newt and Santorum will be out well before Perry. They don't have any money. Perry will be the last to drop out, then it will be Paul and Romney til the convention.
I voted for Paul over McCain last time as the election was over by the time it got here.
Posted by: Ben at October 31, 2011 11:01 AM (wuv1c)
Holy fuck.
I have never seen him like this.
Posted by: Miss'80s at October 31, 2011 11:01 AM (d6QMz)
Posted by: Jeff Bee - Official Romney Knob Polisher at October 31, 2011 11:02 AM (B0LGd)
Posted by: tasker at October 31, 2011 11:02 AM (rJVPU)
Posted by: Dick Nixon at October 31, 2011 11:02 AM (8O4/a)
Why so testy? It's just a comment.
Posted by: Breaker19 at October 31, 2011 11:02 AM (yRoVn)
Posted by: Fritz at October 31, 2011 11:03 AM (FabC8)
Posted by: OxyCon at October 31, 2011 11:03 AM (ndJwD)
Posted by: Jeff Bee - Official Romney Knob Polisher at October 31, 2011 03:02 PM (B0LGd)
considering Jeff said the speech made him like him a little more this sockpuppet makes no sense to me, i'd refer you to Polynikes or Reggie
Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who Supports The Ban Of k1rwm at October 31, 2011 11:03 AM (yAor6)
Why do you think that is, LMendez? It's because it's obviously a losing proposition to try and fight against the rdbrewers of this blog. Threads like that are designed as cybernetic, interactive Two Minutes' Hate for the anti-Romneyites of this community. Trying to walk in there and argue is as useful as sending a "Jews for Jesus" acolyte into a synagogue looking for converts. It has nothing to do with the 'facts' such as they were (mainly rdbrewer calling Romney a "weasel" and once again distorting an article about Romney hiring some ex-Bush aides to call him scum), and everything to do with me not wanting to get all ranty and shouty and waste my time and mental health on a rigged game.
And for god's sake, he's not my "mancrush."
Posted by: Jeff B. at October 31, 2011 11:03 AM (hIWe1)
Posted by: Soona - Mayan liaison at October 31, 2011 11:03 AM (coN0Z)
Posted by: ace at October 31, 2011 11:03 AM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Jesse Jackson at October 31, 2011 11:03 AM (tazG1)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 31, 2011 11:03 AM (f9c2L)
Posted by: © Sponge at October 31, 2011 11:04 AM (UK9cE)
Posted by: ace at October 31, 2011 11:04 AM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 31, 2011 11:04 AM (JYheX)
You're a real piece of shit, you know that?
Posted by: Jeff B. at October 31, 2011 11:05 AM (hIWe1)
Neither have I, frankly. Which makes me think he probably did have one or two too many.
Maybe he just figured "fuck it, it's New Hampshire".
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at October 31, 2011 11:05 AM (Xnw5y)
Posted by: JackStraw at October 31, 2011 11:05 AM (TMB3S)
He retracted that comment a long time ago.
Posted by: Vic at October 31, 2011 11:05 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: tasker at October 31, 2011 11:05 AM (rJVPU)
Posted by: joncelli at October 31, 2011 11:05 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Jeff B. at October 31, 2011 03:03 PM (hIWe1)
your making the assumption I consider you a Romneybot, I dont. I dont see you as a huge fanatic that curses anyone who wont back their guy like polynikes and reggie or frankly like Vic w/ Perry.
and yes I know I am in the minority of sticking up for Jeff on this blog
Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who Supports The Ban Of k1rwm at October 31, 2011 11:06 AM (yAor6)
Otherwise, this means nothing to me but fear tactics coming from the left to force the Romney semi-socialist train upon the nation.
Posted by: © Sponge at October 31, 2011 11:07 AM (UK9cE)
Posted by: 1/1027th of a Janitor at October 31, 2011 11:07 AM (tazG1)
Or have we had it and I missed it on one of my trips to "The City"?
Posted by: Vic at October 31, 2011 11:08 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Sarah, of the Unwanted Occupation Of My Vagina Movement at October 31, 2011 11:08 AM (dagTu)
Posted by: Nolan Ryan at October 31, 2011 11:09 AM (Xm1aB)
Yeah...I watched this again, and honestly the more I see it the more I like it. It's the first time I've seen a side of Perry that wasn't gruff and humorless. It genuinely made me feel positive towards him on a personal level.
I know I called the speech "fruity" in a previous thread (I saw the 'excerpted' version), but honestly even that's okay. I guess it's not "Presidential" or whatever, then again are Herman Cain's fourteen different answers on abortion "Presidential?" I'll take this any day.
Posted by: Jeff B. at October 31, 2011 11:09 AM (hIWe1)
He retracted that comment a long time ago.
Thanks, Vic. Under the weather today, cognitition not at a very high level. Medicine head and all that...
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 31, 2011 11:10 AM (d0Tfm)
Posted by: ace at October 31, 2011 11:10 AM (nj1bB)
I don't harp on people for not supporting Perry. In fact Cain is still on my short list, just not at the top. I do harp on people who call themselves "conservative" and support Romney.
Posted by: Vic at October 31, 2011 11:10 AM (YdQQY)
Ace and a lot of others have been getting a lot of stupid heat over just posting Cain and other GOPers' missteps.
The kill the messenger mode is getting terrible in the GOP lately. We cant let ourselves get into Obama cult territory over any candidate.
Posted by: William Amos at October 31, 2011 11:11 AM (HcYmo)
Posted by: ace at October 31, 2011 11:12 AM (nj1bB)
Another big meh on the Perry scandal parade.
Posted by: Y-not at October 31, 2011 11:12 AM (5H6zj)
77......I have never seen him like this.
I have seen him animated and friendly in some of his stump speech footage, when he is speaking to a crowd of R's-only. He seems to sort of 'drop his guard' when he's with a crowd of conservatives.
But this is moreso. .....This is loopier. .....What is interesting to note though, is that he is still making sense, and not waivering from his positions on...anything.
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at October 31, 2011 11:13 AM (XkwIi)
The HELL you say!?!
Posted by: Jim Bakker at October 31, 2011 11:13 AM (UK9cE)
I get with my friends an' I begin to clown
I don't care what the people are thinkin'
I ain't drunk I'm just drinkin'
Posted by: Scott J at October 31, 2011 11:13 AM (/bVuS)
Posted by: Vic at October 31, 2011 11:14 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: ace at October 31, 2011 11:14 AM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Sgt. Fury at October 31, 2011 11:14 AM (Y5gTl)
Posted by: Andrew Breitbart at October 31, 2011 11:15 AM (Xm1aB)
It's is a pretty phenomenal ass.
(Literally trying to make jokes and lighten the mood. DON'T HURT ME, PLEASE.)
Posted by: Aurvant at October 31, 2011 11:15 AM (D0slu)
Posted by: fluffy occupies his cubicle at October 31, 2011 02:44 PM (4pSIn)
fluffy, is this you?
Posted by: RushBabe, Rabid Teahadi at October 31, 2011 11:15 AM (tQHzJ)
I do harp on people who call themselves "conservative" and support Romney.
thanks for making my point
Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who Supports The Ban Of k1rwm at October 31, 2011 11:15 AM (yAor6)
Posted by: Soona - Mayan liaison at October 31, 2011 11:16 AM (coN0Z)
Posted by: JackStraw at October 31, 2011 11:16 AM (TMB3S)
>>>Fine, go to some website that better cocoons you from information that might cause you a bummer.
I think the actual accusation is that you are "gleefully" (note scare-quotes) pouncing on this sort of information and pushing it because you dislike Cain and are trying to prop up Perry, who you go out of your way to defend in other posts.
UNDERSTAND THAT I DON'T BELIEVE THIS AT ALL. I'm just saying, this is the logic that the people attacking you subscribe to, even if only on a gut level. There is a heavy streak of irrationality running throughout this entire primary discourse right now.
Posted by: Jeff B. at October 31, 2011 11:16 AM (hIWe1)
Posted by: Vic at October 31, 2011 11:16 AM (YdQQY)
This is a big nothing burger. He's acting friendly toward the crowd. He doesn't slur any words, he could use some help on his gestures, but that is common to a lot of politicians.
There's no there, there.
Posted by: boone at October 31, 2011 11:17 AM (Jl3Mu)
Posted by: tasker at October 31, 2011 11:17 AM (rJVPU)
Posted by: Dave at October 31, 2011 11:17 AM (Xm1aB)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 31, 2011 11:18 AM (f9c2L)
Posted by: Butt Smoocher at October 31, 2011 03:13 PM (bZ8J6)
Baloney Isnt just Ace that gets heat. Should go on twitter and see the insanity thrown at every conservative who posts any story that is critical of someone's favor candidate.
The deserve credit for vetting our candidates. That means no surprizes later when it counts.
The world wont end if we lose in 2012 but turning a blind eye to our candidates faults will make it easier to lose in 2012.
Posted by: William Amos at October 31, 2011 11:18 AM (HcYmo)
Posted by: ace at October 31, 2011 11:18 AM (nj1bB)
That's where my problem lies, what exactly did Cain do or didn't do?
Politico reporter Jonathan Martin, who co-wrote their article on Herman Cain, told MSNBC this morning that he just isn't "going to get into the details" of what Cain allegedly said, did or "gestured." Martin cites an incident that may or may not have happened where Cain may or may not have invited a woman up to his hotel room.
As for Perry, drunk or not, he beats the SCOAMF
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 31, 2011 11:18 AM (JYheX)
LOL, "research" post 2007 rhetoric only.
Posted by: Vic at October 31, 2011 11:18 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: tasker at October 31, 2011 11:19 AM (rJVPU)
Fair is fair. Equal time and all that.
/s
Posted by: Y-not at October 31, 2011 11:20 AM (5H6zj)
Oh, me neither. But if you've read the comments then surely you've seen the accusations.
The thing is, the simple fact that Ace prefers Perry to Cain makes him AUTOMATICALLY suspect in the eyes of these sorts of people. Anyone not "on-side" is by definition presumed to be an enemy. And then merely covering the news (and there's no question that this is Big News) is taken as evidence of guilt.
It's a shitty, irrational "thought" process (again, note scare-quotes). But it's plain for all to see.
Posted by: Jeff B. at October 31, 2011 11:20 AM (hIWe1)
Posted by: 1/1027th of a Janitor at October 31, 2011 03:07 PM (tazG1)
so let me get this straight
- cant defend my guy who's in the top tier
- can dance on a backbenchers grave
Romneybots amaze me
Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who Supports The Ban Of k1rwm at October 31, 2011 11:20 AM (yAor6)
Posted by: ace at October 31, 2011 11:20 AM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Dave at October 31, 2011 11:20 AM (Xm1aB)
The flip flopping clusterfuck of a misreable rino!! Mittens its your only choice for 2012.
Now the question is, will mittens start dousing the fire or add more gasoline to it?
Posted by: GMB at October 31, 2011 11:20 AM (wY55N)
Posted by: Spiked at October 31, 2011 11:20 AM (dagTu)
Posted by: Navycopjoe at October 31, 2011 11:21 AM (A1uUz)
Posted by: JackStraw at October 31, 2011 03:16 PM (TMB3S)
And the conclusions come to this: Romney will not be the repub nominee.
Posted by: Soona - Mayan liaison at October 31, 2011 11:21 AM (coN0Z)
Posted by: RushBabe, Rabid Teahadi at October 31, 2011 11:21 AM (tQHzJ)
Perry attacks Mitt Romney on hiring illegals: "Perry comes off as too mean."
Perry has fun in front of an audience who seems receptive (he gets a standing ovation at the end): Perry is too goofy.
What exactly is it that you want the man to do?
Posted by: boone at October 31, 2011 11:22 AM (Jl3Mu)
Picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue?
Posted by: huerfano at October 31, 2011 11:22 AM (fecOD)
Posted by: robtr at October 31, 2011 11:23 AM (MtwBb)
Mitt Romney
Orrin Hatch, and
Jason "Spineless" Chaffetz
And I'm supposed to like it. Geez louise.
Posted by: Y-not at October 31, 2011 11:23 AM (5H6zj)
Exactly - its the wild, jerky hand motions and the occassional odd grimmace that throws it off.
Occasionally the voice too, but I definitely see what you mean. The speech leaves a different impression when you just listen to it.
Posted by: Miss'80s at October 31, 2011 11:23 AM (d6QMz)
Posted by: GMB at October 31, 2011 11:24 AM (wY55N)
Posted by: ace at October 31, 2011 11:24 AM (nj1bB)
Now the question is, will mittens start dousing the fire or add more gasoline to it?
Posted by: GMB at October 31, 2011 03:20 PMEthanol, but with or without subsidies?
Posted by: huerfano at October 31, 2011 11:24 AM (fecOD)
Posted by: The Chap in the Deerstalker Cap at October 31, 2011 11:24 AM (qndXR)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 31, 2011 11:24 AM (f9c2L)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 31, 2011 11:24 AM (IqM9e)
Posted by: Dave at October 31, 2011 11:25 AM (Xm1aB)
Posted by: Cricket at October 31, 2011 11:26 AM (DrC22)
Perry attacks Mitt Romney on hiring illegals: "Perry comes off as too mean."
Perry has fun in front of an audience who seems receptive (he gets a standing ovation at the end): Perry is too goofy.
What exactly is it that you want the man to do?
It would be nice if he could simply come off as steady, sober, confident and competent, for starters. Nothing more exotic than that.
You know, kind of like Mitt Romney's been doing.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at October 31, 2011 11:26 AM (Xnw5y)
Posted by: Dave at October 31, 2011 11:27 AM (Xm1aB)
Doesn't have to be alcohol. ....Even a food interaction with a pain med can make you loopy. ....It's different from person to person.
Whatever this is......I think it is safe to say that Perry didn't get this way on purpose. So, I seriously doubt that he would have taken a drink of an alcoholic beverage if he had also taken a pain pill.
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at October 31, 2011 11:27 AM (XkwIi)
Another big meh on the Perry scandal parade.
Posted by: Y-not at October 31, 2011 03:12 PM (5H6zj)
And probably a little bit of, "Why don't you try this?" from his advisers.
Perry has a bit of the "mean guy" meme to work off.
As somebody who frequently teaches large-lecture calculus classes, I can tell you that sometimes you just get goofy.
Posted by: AmishDude at October 31, 2011 11:28 AM (T0NGe)
Posted by: Navycopjoe at October 31, 2011 11:28 AM (A1uUz)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at October 31, 2011 11:28 AM (ieDPL)
Posted by: Bill Clinton at October 31, 2011 11:29 AM (Xm1aB)
Posted by: ace at October 31, 2011 11:29 AM (nj1bB)
Posted by: GMB at October 31, 2011 11:29 AM (wY55N)
Posted by: Beefy Meatball at October 31, 2011 03:26 PM (bZ8J6)
LOL, stand by for visit from the EEOC.
Posted by: Vic at October 31, 2011 11:29 AM (YdQQY)
Oh, Cain never did have a chance. He was going to be out of this thing sooner or later.
But that doesn't mean he needed to be personally destroyed via what is pretty obviously another high-tech lynching.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at October 31, 2011 11:29 AM (Xnw5y)
Ace @118, the saddest part of it is that the non-stop "gotcha" mode the MFM has put politics into prevents there ever being any truly good candidates.
As you said we've all screwed up.
I'm actually pretty boring but I'd never run for office lest some of my drunken college antics get spun into something much worse than they were.
Anyone actually willing to go into such a buzzsaw has to be a bit off hence the flawed personalities we see running.
Posted by: Scott J at October 31, 2011 11:29 AM (/bVuS)
...join the club. I don't want him either. I'm not fucking happy about this either.
--
I guess my only frustration is that it seems like Romney has been playing the lay low "front runner" game for months and months now, including when he wasn't even leading, and he's getting away with it. Personally, I had no idea how bad a flip-flopper he really was until I started to actually dig through his record. The problem is, if he doesn't attend things like that Iowa forum the other week and he skips Sunday talk shows and no one actually goes after him in debates (except Perry), when does he get vetted again? That's my frustration. Very few bloggers are actually vetting Romney. Very few are actually challenging his claims. And we're told his flaws are "baked in the cake" and he's the most electable.
Now, if I had your job I'd write whatever I damned well felt like writing, so I'm certainly not criticizing you. But it is frustrating that these turds get dangled in the media about all of the other candidates except Romney and most of the turds wind up being much ado about nothing or have nothing to do with issues. (Personally, the Cain story bothers me and reinforces for me what I see as a major flaw in his personality, but I'd still rather be discussing issues.)
Posted by: Y-not at October 31, 2011 11:30 AM (5H6zj)
You know, kind of like Mitt Romney's been doing.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at October 31, 2011 03:26 PM (Xnw5y)
Or like the SCOAMF. And we all know how much we like to listen to him.
Posted by: Soona - Mayan liaison at October 31, 2011 11:30 AM (coN0Z)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at October 31, 2011 11:31 AM (ieDPL)
Posted by: ace at October 31, 2011 11:31 AM (nj1bB)
But that doesn't mean he needed to be personally destroyed via what is pretty obviously another high-tech lynching.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at October 31, 2011 03:29 PM (Xnw5y)
This.
Posted by: AmishDude at October 31, 2011 11:31 AM (T0NGe)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 31, 2011 11:31 AM (JYheX)
Posted by: ace at October 31, 2011 03:31 PM (nj1bB)
Good. I don't like my name being dragged through the mud.
Posted by: And that's DOCTOR Perfect to you, buddy at October 31, 2011 11:33 AM (T0NGe)
Posted by: ace at October 31, 2011 11:33 AM (nj1bB)
Posted by: John Galt at October 31, 2011 11:33 AM (9NQ6I)
Posted by: Soona - Mayan liaison at October 31, 2011 03:30 PM (coN0Z)
Oh wow. You think that Barack Obama comes off as "steady, sober, confident and competent"?!
Just damn, man.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at October 31, 2011 11:34 AM (Xnw5y)
Why the fuck should I join Team Spin It To Win It?
That's coming close to trademark territory, there, bud.
Posted by: NY Lotto at October 31, 2011 11:34 AM (5eVSI)
>>>What you want, polynikes, is for me to make up clever spin (which I don't believe, by the way) in order to buy us... three days or a week.
>>>In a week, we will know more. This will be in one of three categories: Proven and bad; disproven (mostly) and not so bad; or unknown.
>>>Why the fuck should I join Team Spin It To Win It? Why? Is it so critical I put up a post I don't believe to spare some people the horror of considering maybe Cain isn't Mr. Perfect?
Um...Ace, I'm think you've misunderstood Polynikes here. I think he wasn't talking about Herman Cain, he was talking about Romney-bashing by Perry supporters on the blog. It's part of the sidebar conversation I started at #139 and #155.
I think.
Posted by: Jeff B. at October 31, 2011 11:35 AM (hIWe1)
You are supposed to toe the party line and vote for whoever we tell you to.
Posted by: Reince Priebus at October 31, 2011 11:35 AM (wY55N)
Posted by: JackStraw at October 31, 2011 11:35 AM (TMB3S)
Posted by: tasker at October 31, 2011 11:37 AM (rJVPU)
Posted by: ace at October 31, 2011 11:37 AM (nj1bB)
>>>But that doesn't mean he needed to be personally destroyed via what is pretty obviously another high-tech lynching.
Bears repeating.
If the stuff Ace is talking about surfaces, then he's going to be destroyed. Which is disgusting.
Posted by: Jeff B. at October 31, 2011 11:37 AM (hIWe1)
Posted by: Navycopjoe at October 31, 2011 11:38 AM (A1uUz)
I'm agreeing with Will on this one. Has conservatism gone so far only to settle for....THIS (Romney).
Posted by: Aurvant at October 31, 2011 11:39 AM (D0slu)
Posted by: Dave at October 31, 2011 11:39 AM (Xm1aB)
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at October 31, 2011 11:39 AM (QF8uk)
Posted by: tasker at October 31, 2011 11:39 AM (rJVPU)
Please look at Darth Flip Flops picks for judges in mass. Then issue a guarentee that he won't do the same as potus
Posted by: GMB at October 31, 2011 11:40 AM (wY55N)
But that doesn't mean he needed to be personally destroyed via what is pretty obviously another high-tech lynching.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at October 31, 2011 03:29 PM (Xnw5y)
Did I miss the news that Cain is dropping out of the race? Didn't think so. It seems he's doing pretty well last time I looked. And I think most people will recognize this latest MFM smear as exactly that; an MFM smear.
Posted by: Soona - Mayan liaison at October 31, 2011 11:41 AM (coN0Z)
At least one of Perry's biggest boosters on this site actually voted for said Tea Partier against him in the primary last year, for exactly that reason.
Of course, she was a Truther, and the booster in question has admitted she's crazy, which makes one wonder what about Perry was so unacceptable that even she was considered to be a better option.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at October 31, 2011 11:41 AM (Xnw5y)
Rick Perry?
(Mika Brzezinskii eye roll)
Hey, I love Rick Perry. But in my totally unbiased opinion based solely on the polls, Perry simply is unelectable.
(exasperated sigh)
MittÂ’s a liberal, Cain couldnÂ’t win in a general and the others are not even in the running.
WeÂ’re fucked.
Posted by: jwest at October 31, 2011 11:41 AM (qeYI9)
Posted by: JackStraw at October 31, 2011 11:42 AM (TMB3S)
Posted by: Dick Nixon at October 31, 2011 11:42 AM (8O4/a)
Posted by: Dave at October 31, 2011 11:42 AM (Xm1aB)
Posted by: Navycopjoe at October 31, 2011 11:44 AM (A1uUz)
And his timing couldn't have been more convenient. He went from John Kerry's position to saying he was the "True Conservative" in four years.
I'm aware that he changed other positions too. Do you think Perry hasn't changed any positons? Did you know that he was pro-ethanol before he wasn't? How about mandating vaccines, thats a pretty obvious flip.
He has changed some positions, but not all of them. Mitt has changed his position on Guns, Abortion, Immigration, Mandates, Stimulus spending, Ethanol...
Hell, it was Perry who was primaried by a Tea Partier for not being conservative enough.
Seeing as Mitt only won one election and then left after it was clear he wouldn't win again, he never had the opportunity to be primaried by a TEA partier.
Pick who you want, but saying Perry is the super conservative simply because he says so is laughable.
As opposed to Mitt, who we should have believed when he said that in 2007.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 31, 2011 11:44 AM (FkKjr)
Posted by: Dave at October 31, 2011 11:45 AM (Xm1aB)
Posted by: ace at October 31, 2011 11:45 AM (nj1bB)
Ready?
Supreme court picks
We can get rid of the other clowns every few years, a SCJ is for life Posted by: Navycopjoe
............
That is VERY important, yeah.
But 2 other things...
Bush tax cuts sunset. We all get a really big tax increase without any legislation. A Repub Senate and House can pass a bill to extend them, but ODumbo can simply veto it.. and he doesn't have to worry about re-election anymore.
Next - Obamacare. It is the law. It cannot be repealed without a Repub president. Obama would never sign a repeal, so it goes active in 2014. Either pray for a SCOTUS smack down or pray for any Republican to win the presidency.
Both of those items together will crush this country and any chances of getting out of this crappy economy.
That's why Romney's ok in my book. He ain't perfect, but it sure beats hell out of another 4 years of SCOAMF.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 31, 2011 11:45 AM (f9c2L)
Yeah I have heard of them. Even when Mittens could do something he wouldn't.
13% Well lordy be. Look at at that another excuse by an establishment repub. What is that number 1000, 1001?
Posted by: GMB at October 31, 2011 11:45 AM (wY55N)
Posted by: John Galt at October 31, 2011 11:45 AM (9NQ6I)
Just damn, man.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at October 31, 2011 03:34 PM (Xnw5y)
So I guess the "52%ers" is just a myth.
Posted by: Soona - Mayan liaison at October 31, 2011 11:46 AM (coN0Z)
Posted by: JackStraw at October 31, 2011 11:46 AM (TMB3S)
Posted by: JackStraw at October 31, 2011 03:42 PM (TMB3S)
In 2006. The number had been higher in 2002 when Mitt took office.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 31, 2011 11:47 AM (FkKjr)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 31, 2011 11:47 AM (IqM9e)
Posted by: toby928© Perrykrishna with tattooed knuckles at October 31, 2011 11:47 AM (GTbGH)
Ace and the co-bloggers have done reporting and opinion on all of the candidates. Frankly, I may disagree with their opinions on these candidates at times but it's not like they're pushing one candidate or else.
I agree with Ace: if you don't like it here, get lost. You can always start your own blog or find another where its authors will tongue punch your political fart-boxes.
Posted by: Baroque at October 31, 2011 11:47 AM (B0LGd)
Posted by: JackStraw at October 31, 2011 11:47 AM (TMB3S)
Excellent. damn you for saying what I thinking but couldn't say because I was drunk and have quirky mannerisms.
I was having a conversation with my wife about a month ago about a poll on some enviro topic that we both knew couldn't be true (and later confirmed bs), and I told her at the time the sole purpose of the poll was to give libs something to claim on tv. Not an hour later we saw a dem interviewed doing exactly that.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 31, 2011 11:47 AM (JYheX)
This is completely non-responsive to his point. And it's frustrating. A specific charge was leveled: Romney's judicial appointments in MA indicate that he's untrustworthy, a liberal, etc. JackStraw responded with a specific refutation, and one that is actually extremely convincing: the MA Governor's Council makes it impossible for any Governor to appoint judges without them approving first and then sending them on the legislature for a vote, and that panel is entirely composed of liberal Democrats. It was, in fact, put in place by the MA Democratic legislature for precisely that purpose -- to prevent the long string of GOP governors from putting conservatives on the court. Therefore this "claim" that is being cited to prove that Romney is a secret liberal actually proves no such thing.
And you respond with subject-changing snark. This always seems to be the tactic of anti-Romney folks around here: when the facts are inconvenient, you wave them away with snarky generalities, the thrust of which is always "of COURSE Romney is an untrustworthy squish! Don't confuse me with facts!"
And people wonder why Romney supporters stay out of the rdbrewer threads?
Posted by: Jeff B. at October 31, 2011 11:48 AM (hIWe1)
Yet Romney didn't support the Bush Tax Cuts that lead to record revenues. Sounds like Mittens liked those higher tax rates. Of course, since he raised fees and taxes in Mass. while he was in office we can assume he does.
Posted by: Dick Nixon at October 31, 2011 11:48 AM (8O4/a)
Posted by: Navycopjoe at October 31, 2011 11:49 AM (A1uUz)
Posted by: JackStraw at October 31, 2011 03:47 PM (TMB3S)
So he still supports the assault rifle ban he signed? He still 'likes mandates' and think they work? He still believes stimulus spending can be helpful? He is still an ardent defender of a woman's right to choose? He still supports Ethanol subsidies?
Great conservative you've got there.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 31, 2011 11:49 AM (FkKjr)
Actually Jeff, my comment should ring a bell w Straw, as over the last several days he has been comparing Romney to Reagan.
Your superior intellect you like to brag on must have missed that.
Posted by: Dick Nixon at October 31, 2011 11:50 AM (8O4/a)
Posted by: JackStraw at October 31, 2011 11:50 AM (TMB3S)
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at October 31, 2011 11:51 AM (QF8uk)
Okay.
I say we get all the candidates 'impaired' in an equal fashion....so they're all 'letting their hair down' so to speak. As impaired as Perry was in this NH speech.
Then we line them all up and have a debate.
Now that would be worth watching!
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at October 31, 2011 11:52 AM (XkwIi)
It's sad that so many people on AoSHQ are falling for the MFM's Palinization of our candidates. Whoever gets the nomination, I'm sure by many of the people who comment here, will be declared unelectable by the time the general election comes around.
Posted by: Soona - Mayan liaison at October 31, 2011 11:53 AM (coN0Z)
Posted by: Dick Nixon
...........
and record deficits.. that is until the SCOAMF got in and showed Bush to be a piker as far as deficits go.
I love all you guys who defend Bush's tax cuts, but rail on and on about how bad deficit spending is. Bush started 2 wars with no funding and borrowed to pay for them.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 31, 2011 11:53 AM (f9c2L)
Posted by: JackStraw at October 31, 2011 11:54 AM (TMB3S)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 31, 2011 03:53 PM (f9c2L)
Jerry, you should look up the "Laffer curve".
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 31, 2011 11:54 AM (FkKjr)
Yeah, I miss those $400 billion deficits. Then January 2007 rolled around and we saw what happens when liberals start spending money.
Posted by: Dick Nixon at October 31, 2011 11:55 AM (8O4/a)
If Cain actually DOES have a string of sexual propositions, inappropriate advances, and affairs in his past, as Ace has said he's heard rumors of, then it's not Palinization. It's actually, you know, a problem.
That said, we don't know shit about dick w/r/t that right now. But we do know that there were two actual payouts. And we have Cain making the groan-inducingly implausible statement that he was never even aware that any settlement was reached in either situation. (Unless I'm missing something obvious this has to be impossible because if Cain was subject to the terms of an NDA he would OBVIOUSLY have to have been informed about it. And that's leaving aside the fact that, as CEO, he'd know about this stuff regardless.)
I suspect we'll know a good deal more in the near future. This story is not going away.
Posted by: Jeff B. at October 31, 2011 11:56 AM (hIWe1)
I know who supports it on a global scale. His name rhymes with kittens.
Posted by: Dick Nixon at October 31, 2011 11:56 AM (8O4/a)
Posted by: Dick Nixon
........
*sigh*
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 31, 2011 11:56 AM (f9c2L)
Posted by: andycanuck at October 31, 2011 11:56 AM (OKhgI)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 31, 2011 11:57 AM (IqM9e)
Sigh all you want. And send your money to Romney for POTUS. It's ok, it is your money.
Posted by: Dick Nixon at October 31, 2011 11:57 AM (8O4/a)
But not very many people left on here than supports anyone of those three.
Posted by: Vic at October 31, 2011 11:58 AM (YdQQY)
Hey, are we finally allowed to admit that McCain actually was RIGHT in opposing Bush's tax cuts back in the day? He was against them because they weren't paid for with any spending cuts. He said they would make our debt load even worse.
Guess what? He was right. I mean, lower taxes are great, but we're all bullshitting ourselves by pretending they didn't make things worse when passed without any spending cuts...and indeed massive spending INCREASES.
There's really no way around the fact that Bush was an economic disaster in every imaginable way.
Posted by: Jeff B. at October 31, 2011 11:59 AM (hIWe1)
Posted by: tasker at October 31, 2011 12:00 PM (rJVPU)
Posted by: JackStraw at October 31, 2011 12:00 PM (TMB3S)
Do we?
And we have Cain making the groan-inducingly implausible statement that he was never even aware that any settlement was reached in either situation.
Not necessarily. Many companies take the accused totally out of the picture if they choose to settle and won't disclose to the accused the outcome. Its weird, but its true.
Posted by: Crystal Mangum at October 31, 2011 12:00 PM (JYheX)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 31, 2011 12:01 PM (IqM9e)
Posted by: ReadyorNot at October 31, 2011 12:02 PM (ErUlJ)
You seem to be all about 10th Amendment solutions when talking about Perry and his illegal alien stuff. Is Massachusetts not a state entitled to the same privilege?
I'm all about that am I? Any other positions I hold?
Bear in mind, I live in Massachusetts and hate Mittcare. So this tenth amendment shit he throws out there just pisses me off.
As to the mandate, you should really give that a rest. It was considered a very conservative position right up until Obamacare. Newt was all for it. Lots of conservatives were. Now, it's a liberal position.
Hey, Teddy Roosevelt was a trust buster. I guess I better join Occupy Wall Street.
Seeing as people hate ObamaCare - the thing Mittens pledged to repeal - because of its mandates, I think his position on them is relevant. And Important. I think mandates suck, since I've lived under them.
Still no word on the assault weapon ban I see. That's a tough circle to square.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 31, 2011 12:03 PM (FkKjr)
You know, Art Laffer was wrong back in the Reagan days, and he's wrong now.
Laffer is often cited for the proposition that tax cuts lead to higher government revenues, but that's neither necessarily true (it CAN be true -- in a boom economy and only during one), nor anything but a moral hazard in the form of a further excuse for growing government spending. Deficit spending isn't anything we should be applauding as conservative orthodoxy, and yet there are still people (not serious conservative economists -- just as Greg Mankiw what he thinks of Laffer) who hold Laffer up as some sort of genius rather than one of the great architects of our national destruction.
Posted by: Jeff B. at October 31, 2011 12:03 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: tasker at October 31, 2011 12:04 PM (rJVPU)
I will vote for Perry in the primary. I will gladly vote for Perry, Cain, or Newt in the general. I will vote while I'm gagging if the nominee is Romney.
With Romney, we'll get the status quo. I'm sure he and Boehner will become best buds.
Posted by: Soona - Mayan liaison at October 31, 2011 12:04 PM (coN0Z)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 31, 2011 12:05 PM (IqM9e)
Posted by: tasker at October 31, 2011 12:05 PM (rJVPU)
http://tinyurl.com/5sera85.
Maybe he flipped on the issue?
Posted by: Dick Nixon at October 31, 2011 12:06 PM (8O4/a)
That's right, arch liberal Ronald Reagan.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 31, 2011 04:00 PM (TMB3S)
Pointing out liberal failings in Ronald Reagan is an odd strategy to try to convince us Mitt is conservative. Maybe we could focus on the challenging the Soviet Union comparisons?
Oh yeah, Mitt didn't do anything like that. Your strategy is to say, "Well, Reagan had this problem which Mitt had. HE'S REAGAN!"
Obama supports cap and trade JUST LIKE REAGAN. Obama bailed out auto companies JUST LIKE REAGAN bailed out Harley Davidson. Obama increased spending JUST LIKE REAGAN.
Therefore, Obama is an arch-conservative, more conservative than Mitt.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 31, 2011 12:07 PM (FkKjr)
What the hell are you talking about? The Laffer Curve concerns govt revenue only. And its damn simple. Reducing tax rates at the top of the curve increases tax revenues. In the bottom its the opposite. That's why its curved.
Laffer is not for deficit spending.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 31, 2011 12:07 PM (JYheX)
Posted by: Cornfused Yet Again at October 31, 2011 12:08 PM (AyzfE)
Posted by: Dick Nixon at October 31, 2011 12:08 PM (8O4/a)
And this disproves JackStraw's point how? I hope you understand that the key verbiage in this passage isn't the "that advises" that you bolded. (That pertains only to "Massachusetts affairs" and is a function the Council serves INDEPENDENT of their judicial one -- you did realize that, didn't you?) It's "The nominating commission SCREENS applicants for the supreme judicial court." That's "screens" as in "decides whether the candidate will be passed onto the legislature."
And, as stated in the passage, all eight members of the council are selected by the 85% liberal Democratic legislature.
You do realize that you have utterly proved our point about how Romney's judicial appointments were completely constrained by this Governor's Council, right? Did you think you were undermining our claims by posting that?
Talk about an own-goal!
Posted by: Jeff B. at October 31, 2011 12:09 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: Cornfused Yet Again at October 31, 2011 12:10 PM (AyzfE)
Posted by: Dick Nixon at October 31, 2011 04:08 PM (8O4/a)
Yes, it's a tautology for them. It's built into their logic. If they can shit on another candidate, the *only* logical conclusion is that you must support Mitt.
Jack did it with Perry where he's talking about how *I* love Perry's immigration stance. I don't love it. But he doesn't understand that someone can assess candidates for their sins in a comprehensive manner and come out with the conclusion that Mitt sucks compared to that candidate.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 31, 2011 12:12 PM (FkKjr)
Posted by: JackStraw at October 31, 2011 12:12 PM (TMB3S)
Say Ace - are there any in-the-know, unreportable stories on the Obamas? I'm not asking what the stories are, just is there anything circulating out there substantially different from what we've already heard through alternative media, that is reasonably credible?
My guess would be not. Because, the publicly-available information about the Obamas was bad enough, and yet simply did not matter.
Posted by: Wm T Sherman at October 31, 2011 12:16 PM (w41GQ)
Posted by: Colonel Sanders at October 31, 2011 12:16 PM (9NQ6I)
Posted by: steevy at October 31, 2011 12:17 PM (fyOgS)
No they aren't the best.
You have people like me. But the thing is, I couldn't get elected without being killed by the MSM. I have been divorced, I am a conservative woman and I fooled around a bit with the maryjane in my youth.
So even though I am qualified, I would be portrayed as a pothead slut who couldn't even keep a husband LOL.
I would NEVER put my young daughter through the spotlight. Unlike others, my mouth would NOT stay shut if they dared to say something bad about her!
Posted by: TypicalWhitey at October 31, 2011 12:19 PM (xeVap)
I lived here during its signing and hated it. And since I still live in the state >now<, I know what a silly law it is. This doesn't convince me he's a principled conservative. All it convinces me is that if something a conservative finds abhorrent is popular, Mitt will support it. Not convincing me to make him the guy carrying our standard.
I'll point out also guns aren't a tenth amendment issue. They're a second amendment issue.
Another bogus talking point going around by the anyone but Romney crowd is that he was for bailing out the auto industry. In fact, he came out with the exact same position.
Mitt wanted to give them 16 billion dollars in research and development funding in 2007. He did this while he was touring Michigan for the primary.
Stimulus spending doesn't work, but Mitt thinks it does. That frightens me.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 31, 2011 12:20 PM (FkKjr)
Funny. I've never seen Chaz Bono and David Frum in the same place at the same time.
And yes, Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure, who snorts coke and has sex with dudes.
Posted by: Barry H Obeyme at October 31, 2011 12:22 PM (3oPjL)
Posted by: tasker at October 31, 2011 12:23 PM (rJVPU)
Posted by: JackStraw at October 31, 2011 12:23 PM (TMB3S)
Posted by: tasker at October 31, 2011 12:25 PM (rJVPU)
Posted by: davidinvirginia at October 31, 2011 12:25 PM (haFNK)
Posted by: JackStraw at October 31, 2011 12:35 PM (TMB3S)
Posted by: Winning at October 31, 2011 12:51 PM (80nuu)
Posted by: tasker at October 31, 2011 12:57 PM (rJVPU)
Posted by: tasker at October 31, 2011 12:57 PM (rJVPU)
The language about "at the Governor's discretion" merely means that the governor chooses which candidates to send to the Council for approval. It doesn't mean that the governor can decide whether to use the Council or not, as he sees fit. ALL higher court appointees have get screened through the Council.
Posted by: Jeff B. at October 31, 2011 01:02 PM (hIWe1)
I have never seen you say Mitt was wrong on anything.
I've stated over and over that I don't like the MA healtcare plan.
This is news to me. I will say from personal experience that the mandate portion sucks. If you ever don't get that form from your company (or companies), have fun.
But I also can look at the totality of a candidate and decide for myself who would be 1) best to go up against Obama 2) be a strong fiscal conservative and 3) do the least dumb things. If you can look at the other candidates and say there is someone who hits those targets better for you then go for it. For me, at least so far, it's Romney and frankly it isn't even close.
Rick Perry will reform entitlements. He touched the third rail. He can't walk back calling SS a "Ponzi scheme". Mitt's not even willing to speak against it. Is he really going to expend political capital - and risk electoral defeat - to reform entitlements? Cause we need somebody willing to do that. Fixing America will require putting your own political career on the line. Rick Perry went there, and Romney engaged in juvenile word games to scaremonger seniors when he did.
You not Romney's are such delicate flowers. Butch up.
This doesn't even mean anything.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 31, 2011 01:06 PM (FkKjr)
Posted by: tasker at October 31, 2011 01:08 PM (rJVPU)
Posted by: tasker at October 31, 2011 01:11 PM (rJVPU)
Posted by: tasker at October 31, 2011 01:14 PM (rJVPU)
Not plastered stumbling falling down stoned out of his gourd drunk...just punch drunk "Goofy" --dirt by degree.
Allowances for what qualifies as "drunk" from ace...same leniency given Carl Cameron's habitual quoting himself as an anonymous Congressional insider for a story...but no wiggle room at Ace's inn for Cain?
Posted by: Dollar Value at October 31, 2011 01:25 PM (lpWVn)
Posted by: Winning at October 31, 2011 01:42 PM (80nuu)
We're going to find out with Cain. I know many don't like it. Tough shit. That's the reality. Screaming about it to any convenient scapegoat won't change that reality.
Exactly, just what the hell do the Cain supporters think is buried in those hundreds of hours of old radio shows? Discussions about Aunt Bea's recipes? Local weather? Restaurant ratings? It was a political radio show and Cain has already shown he'll jump on anything without thinking when he knew everybody was listening; what he spitballed and threw out there years ago is guaranteed to be worse.
Also, you all haven't even heard of the stack of fired employees who will be willing to dish all sorts of dirt--true or not--about Cain.
Not Cain, not this time, not at this hour--we need someone who has been in politics, who knows what the hell they are doing. Not a fancy speech and slickness.
Posted by: Jimmuy at October 31, 2011 01:43 PM (hROVJ)
Posted by: tasker at October 31, 2011 01:56 PM (rJVPU)
Posted by: JackStraw at October 31, 2011 02:26 PM (TMB3S)
Posted by: ScottDog at October 31, 2011 02:32 PM (wqHFe)
Posted by: Dave at October 31, 2011 02:56 PM (FGq5b)
Posted by: Queequeg the Harpooner at October 31, 2011 03:29 PM (wht0o)
Oh, Cain never did have a chance. He was going to be out of this thing sooner or later.
But that doesn't mean he needed to be personally destroyed via what is pretty obviously another high-tech lynching.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at October 31, 2011 03:29 PM (Xnw5y)
Damn, that is righteous right there, especially coming from you.
Flat out hilarious actually. Don't even see it, do you?
Posted by: Steph at October 31, 2011 03:29 PM (Lo/pm)
Posted by: Live Free Or Die at October 31, 2011 04:03 PM (RW+8z)
Sorry I hear shit before you do, you fucking moron.
I'm so fucking sick of the childish cunts who believe those who REPORT the news MAKE the news. Like I went fucking back in time and FORCED Cain to proposition dozens of women and have an affair.
yeah, I said it, asshole. If you want to know what I'm hearing, there it is.
Fucking lunatics.
Posted by: ace at October 31, 2011 02:56 PM (nj1bB)
Wow. Mad bro?
Posted by: I heart Ace at October 31, 2011 04:39 PM (8DdAv)
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Posted by: The Next Always epub at October 31, 2011 05:48 PM (bYYfj)
That is useful information and its quite easy to come a croper if you are not vigilant.
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O-ree-on? Is that correct?
Posted by: fluffy occupies his cubicle at October 31, 2011 10:44 AM (4pSIn)