1
yep, cest moi

2 Obama and T-Paw and Mittens hardest hit

3
Herman Cain is like the Black Vulcan in the Super Friends

4 "3, I need him to be some other race. I will not insist on "White," but I refuse to go lower than "Dominican." That's my drop-dead position on race. I will meet him halfway, but only halfway." Who let Lars play with Ace's signature block?

5 He'll get the Clarence Thomas treatment from the MFM.  From what I've seen of him, he won't give a f*ck.

6 David Gregory looks like the "American Psycho" guy without the body or good looks or Evil Charm.   Which leaves,,,,,,,,,,,just the creepy psycho-smile

7 I support Herman Cain!!    My kind of guy!!!

8

Herman Cain is my POTUS dreamboat.  I love that man.  

And he has a wonderful voice. 

(Yes, I know a candidate's voice has nothing to do with his or her ability to govern, but it sure helps.  I hear Obama's voice and I always want to drag his head out of whatever bowl of water he's got it stuck in.)

9
I'm a little worried that he doesn't have any government experience.

He has a little quasi-government experience in the Fed.

10 6 David Gregory looks like the "American Psycho" guy without the body or good looks or Evil Charm.   Which leaves,,,,,,,,,,,just the creepy psycho-smile

"I have to return some videotapes."

11 RON PAUL!!111!!!!!1!

12

The election is going to be about the economy, so Cain has an advantage there.  If he has a strong foreign policy running mate, that will help blunt his other major weakness.

His lack of goverment experience may end helping him more that it hurts him, too.

Still, I'd really rather see a governor get nominated.  (Well, not any of the current governors and ex-governors in play, I mean in general.  CEO isn't a bad gig, though.)

13 It's interesting. I was reading a poll the Smart Girls Politics facebook page two days ago on which candidate was most desirable.

Cain ran away with it. Even over Palin and Bachman in the mix.

14 Half-Racist!

15 Polls are generally useless and filled with radical social engineering. What we need is a national discussion about who should be the nominee. Seriously.

16 Cain may be playing placeholder for Palin.

17 Clean and articulate.

Bill Bennett is completely forgiven for all of his past RINO fluffing since he had Cain on this show.

18 Cain/Palin ticket?

19 I'm already tired of hearing the MSM yammer about how electing Cain will continue the post-racial era of American history.

20
re: foreign policy experience

The best foreign policy is a strong domestic policy. Just go with that.

(but it's true: our best foreign policy is shaped upon placing America's interests on top)

21

3, I need him to be some other race. I will not insist on "White," but I refuse to go lower than "Dominican." That's my drop-dead position on race. I will meet him halfway, but only halfway.

Heh.

I wish we could settle on Cain being a swarthy Italian. Maybe Scicilian.

But I don't think that would fly.

 Maybe Puerto Rican?

22

On the other hand, given the MFM and their demogoguery, he can't win, and neither can any Republican ever and we're all totally boned.  </doom>

The world is crazy.  The question is-- does it correct towards sanity, or does the insanity create a feedback loop?

23 Forget about it..........   When the Fed stops pumping Funny Money into the economy ( after ruining the dollar for a generation ) interest rates will hit The Roof and Obama couldn't get elected cat catcher in Pussytown

Doomed, we are--and soon.

24 Come on Ace, can we get you to "mulatto"? It's got an exotic mid-1800s feel and everything.

25 "I'm a little worried that he doesn't have any government experience." This is my only hesitation about Cain, and it is a huge one. Lacking both executive branch experience and an accompanying team of trusted prior appointees, I believe that the permanent bureaucracy will simply eat him alive and make the executive branch completely ungovernable during his term.

26 If he's a republican, he's not considered black, or at least not black enough.

27 Never heard of this poll. I have been waiting for a new poll from someone like Ras after all the dropouts.

28 Cain/John Bolton's Mustache ticket?

29 24 Come on Ace, can we get you to "mulatto"? It's got an exotic mid-1800s feel and everything.

When I said "quadroon", you freaked out.

30 Herman Cain/Allen West 2012 *evil laughter*!! If only because it cause liberal minds to explode all over America for a little bit.

31 I was surprised to see Cain is so old. He'll be 67 in January of 2013. I think that would make him the 3rd oldest President ever.

Of course, that's not going to happen so it's more trivia than an actual thing to consider.

32 The election is going to be about the economy, so Cain has an advantage there.  If he has a strong foreign policy running mate, that will help blunt his other major weakness.

So if you're looking for the VP slot to be the foreign policy dude/dudette, who are the choices?

33 make the executive branch completely ungovernable

and the problem with that is?

34

Sterling Mallory Archer at May 18, 2011 03:31 PM (UvFnc)

Heh.  Is that you Wyatt, lurking under that nic?

35 sock fail ( again ).  I am more than an initial!!!  I'm not an animal!!!

BTW, California added more jobs in the first quarter this year than all of last year.   Glass half full?  Half empty?

the Usual Suspects are already saying this will provide more tax revenue....

36 The world is crazy. The question is-- does it correct towards sanity, or does the insanity create a feedback loop? Posted by: Lance McCormick at May 18, 2011 03:30 PM (zgHLA) Yeah, I hate to be a wet blanket but systems tend toward chaos. So, doom and all that.

37 Go CAIN! GA GOP Convention Remix Vid

38

Maybe Puerto Rican?

Jamaican. All he would need is a dialect coach and one of those memory wiper-outer thingys from Men in Black.

39 Can't we just run Cain, West Bolton together?

40
the Veep slot on the GOP ticket is for the bomb thrower

2012 is the election with no one giving a shit about foreign policy.

It's all domestic, baby.

41

I like his attitude.  He strikes me as the type who's not going to take any guff.  He's sort of a softer Allen West (a Cain/West ticket has been my dream ticket since Cain announced his PEC).  And I think he really made out like a bandit in that South Carolina debate.  He went from a, "Who's that guy?" to a, "Oh, yeah, that guy!" in a relatively short time.  I look forward to seeing him in other debates as the campaign progresses.

I wonder how long it'll take before the MFM finds a small fringe group of angry Italians in the Bronx or somesuch who are offended that he was CEO of Godfather's pizza.  You know it'll happen. 

Countdown to the MFM's hit squads zeroing in on Cain in 5...4...3...

42 You put John Bolton as the VP with any of these candidates and they would immediately become awesome.

43 34

Sterling Mallory Archer at May 18, 2011 03:31 PM (UvFnc)

Heh.  Is that you Wyatt, lurking under that nic?

Nope, just an Archer fan.

44 Proposed slogan:
CAIN IS ABLE!

I echo the fears about his lack of experience.  Soetero will hit him on the experience issue without a trace of shame.  Cain had better have a good comeback, and he has to prove he knows the issues inside and out.

45
Posted by: Herman Cain for President at May 18, 2011 03:33 PM (rN9Na)

You can cool it with the hard sell, bro. We like Herman Cain.

46 Although my religion once compelled me to oppose candidates like Mr. Cain, I join other conservatives in welcoming him as a worthy foe in my quest for the presidency.

47 From his web page:


One year after graduating [Morehouse College}, I married the love of my life, Gloria. And together, we started our journey to achieve our Dreams. This meant relocating to Indiana where I would begin my MasterÂ’s degree program at Purdue University, while working full-time as a mathematician at the Department of the Navy.

After earning my MasterÂ’s degree and six years working for the Department of the Navy, we returned home to Atlanta, where I began to climb the corporate ladder with the Coca-Cola Company. I faced challenges, but I always remembered the values my parents taught me. With enough faith and determination, I knew I could go as high in corporate America as I desired.

I enjoyed a successful career at the Coca-Cola Company and later moved to the Pillsbury Company. Within a short period, I rose to the position of Vice President. When I got there, I thought I had already achieved my American Dream on the 31st floor of the new Pillsbury Corporate Headquarters with a corner office. But I quickly realized I wanted something more.

I resigned my position and started on another path- the restaurant industry. I knew that in order to be successful, I had to start from “the ground up.” This meant broiling hamburgers at Pillsbury’s Burger King division. After nine months of a grueling restaurant experience, I was assigned to lead a low performing region of 450 Burger King restaurants. Within three years, we became the best-performing region in the U.S.

I could have been content with my executive role with one of AmericaÂ’s biggest corporations. Instead, after consulting with my wife, we decided to take one of the biggest risks of our marriage: picking up our young family, relocating yet again and accepting the call to become CEO and President of GodfatherÂ’s Pizza, a company teetering on the edge of bankruptcy.

In 14 months, we turned the company around and returned it to profitability, and I ultimately led my management team to a buyout of GodfatherÂ’s Pizza. The company never went bankrupt, and today, there are still hundreds of locations across the U.S.

My success at turning around GodfatherÂ’s got the attention of fellow restaurateurs around the nation who invited me to join the Board of Directors of the National Restaurant Association and later elected me its chairman. In 1996, they retained me as the full-time President and the CEO of the National Restaurant Association, working on behalf of thousands of small businesses and entrepreneurs.

48

I really like what I have seen and heard from him so far. Unless there is something in his closet I don't know about (the MFM is furiously looking) I can support him.

I am not concerned that he doesn't have goverment experience. Name the last president who wasn't a career pol? Eisenhower? Now, look at where all those "experienced politicians" have gotten us.

I will admit, however, I am slightly interested in seeing the racers in the MFM twist themselves in knots figuring out how to call Cain a racist, when he starts tearing The JEF shithouse down. Good times my brothers!

49

I'm a big John Bolton fan, but I'm sure there are other people who would jump at the chance to play Dick Cheney.  (Because that'll be part of the narrative-- the whole running-mate-secretly-in-charge thing-- if a minority or woman is at the top of the ticket.)

Although, hey, Dick Cheney was a good Veep; what would prevent him from doing that again?  (And don't say "his health."  Death wets his pants when Cheney looks at him.)

50

Rick Perry/Herman Cain

 

51 Yeah, I hate to be a wet blanket but systems tend toward chaos. So, doom and all that.

In the end, there will be only Kratos saying 'I told you so!'

52 Cain, being black isn't black enough.

Obama, being only half black and being raised by his rich white grammy, well, He is Historically black.

53 He'll get the Clarence Thomas treatment from the MFM.  From what I've seen of him, he won't give a f*ck.

I fully support his candidacy for this reason above all others.  They will try to tear him to shreds with terms like "uncle Tom", etc and he will simply turn it around on them and expose them for the racist douchebags that they truly are.

54 Cain and West are a credit to the country and I would be proud to support them singly or together on the ticket.

55 Cain/Bolton'12 - Lightning and Thunder

56 I like Herman Cain. My advice to him, is next time they ask him about our goals in A-stan he should say
"Our goal is to win. We seek unconditional victory. War is fought to impose one's will on another. That's what Al Qaeda tried to do to us. And now we're going to impose our will on them. We will wage unconditional, unrelenting warfare until our enemies our defeated and they beg us to stop."

57 damned sock.


I resigned my position and started on another path- the restaurant industry. I knew that in order to be successful, I had to start from “the ground up.” This meant broiling hamburgers at Pillsbury’s Burger King division. After nine months of a grueling restaurant experience, I was assigned to lead a low performing region of 450 Burger King restaurants. Within three years, we became the best-performing region in the U.S.

That burger-flipping alone is more job experience than Jugears had when he was elected.

58 Successful CEO and Govemor ain't a bad resume either but that won't work for some people.

59 'S' is for stupid; sloppy; self-deluded; self-aware; soft in the head; slurred

the MFM will declare Cain a 'stalking horse' for someone.  Those turds love to say and write 'stalking horse' ( without having any clue what it means )

60 The response to their saying that Cain has no experience is to point and laugh uproariously. No other response is needed.

61
Pillsbury owned Burker King?
I did not know that.

62 Cain seems Abel.

I like him.

63 So if you're looking for the VP slot to be the foreign policy dude/dudette, who are the choices?

I think I'll be available in 2012 and everybody knows foreign policy is my uberstrength,

64 Cain *Bolton* West

One hell of an oreo cookie!

GOP 2012

65

Cain/West

Slogan

Why have a knock-off when you can have the real thing?

66 Folks, it's just an online survey.  I'll wait before I get too worked up.  In any case, I certainly won't consider him until I know more about his position on longbows. 

67 55 Cain/Bolton'12 - Lightning and Thunder

Posted by: toby928™ at May 18, 2011 03:36 PM (GTbGH)

*heart attack*

The awesome... would kill me...

(But not before I took the opportunity to vote early (and often) for that team.)

68

So, what I'm looking for from Cain is three things:

What about his birth certificate?

69 Hatchet Harry
Herman Cain

One of these two doesn't have to use a fake one to beat you to death.

Cain may or may not win, but he damn sure is a tough somebitch to do what he has done. Building a business is damned hard work.

70 It will be amusing to watch the MSM explain that Cain is not REALLY black when, based upon his parentage, he is actually twice as black as Obama.  the great part about this is that the true racism of the left will be exposed once and for all.

Cain is an example if a REALLY SMART black man, not just a smug, preening, teleprompter reading black man.

71 There's an attorney advertising the the local paper named

"Heather B. Quick"   Can't make this stuff up.........

72 "MADE IN THE USA WITH 100% DOMESTIC BLACK-OWNED PARTS"

73
I hear Cain on the radio often subbing for Boortz.

Common sense and optimistic.

But without experience in office, would he be better in a cabinet position?

74 Me?  I'm waiting to see his birth certificate.  Long form.

75 >> I'm a little worried that he doesn't have any government experience.

As opposed to Obama, who had nothing but government experience.

Nope. Doesn't worry me at all.

76 The more I see, the more I like. A successful businessman, DC outsider, and not "authentic" in the eyes of Sharpton, Jackson and Spike Lee. Now go kick ass and don't say anything stupid.

77 Cain is great but his lack of elected experience is a deal killer. We wouldn't accept it from a demonrat and we shouldn't accept it from a GOPer. Great guy, but he needs a governorship under his belt.

78 72:

Maybe we could get an 8a set-aside on the election.

Good for competition against the scheming Chinese.

79 Cain is smart and pragmatic - both of which America wants.  His lack of government experience is a huge plus.

80 Posted by: joncelli at May 18, 2011 03:42 PM (RD7QR) I dunno. Lack of government experience to me is a feature, not a bug.

81

This little old white boy from Alabama would be more than happy to vote for a Cain/West ticket, or a West/Cain ticket.

Maybe this will circle around to my contention that '012 will be about the issues. Whomever can best articulate solutions to them (and get the left into a spittle-flecked rage, which admittedly isn't hard to do anyway) will win in a Reagan-esque landslide.

Despite the narrative from the MFM, Bill the Dead Cat could beat Obama and his record of destruction. I'm still amazed that no one on the right has had the cojones to even point out even some of the damage the JEF has done in two short years.

82 79:

Yeah, someone with less experience in Washington may not care whose asses he is supposed to kiss.

The perennial hope of the common man.

83 I'm a little worried that he doesn't have any government experience.

We've tried that 'government experience' thing over 40 times.  I'm ready to try another way.....

84 Another plus for Cain, he comes from strong family values (vs. the current occupant of the WH).


I was raised in Atlanta, Georgia by loving and hardworking parents. We grew up poor, but we grew up happy. Things werenÂ’t always easy, but my mom and dad knew that if they kept their faith in God, faith in themselves and their faith in the greatest country in the world, they, too, could achieve their American Dream.

That dream, we discovered, was for my parents to own their own home and watch their two sons graduate from college. Those dreams required that my father work three jobs to support our family.

The first dream was realized in a brick home on Albert Street. I can still recall the excitement of the day, as he surprised us—even my mother—when he drove us to our new home.

Their second dream was realized when I proudly accepted my degree in mathematics from Morehouse College in 1967 and my brother graduated from Morris Brown College. Both of my fatherÂ’s American Dreams were achieved. Now, I set off to achieve mine.

85 I love this man. If he doesn't get the nomination, I hope that whomever does get the nomination does win, and nominates him for Secretary of Commerce.

86

I'm a little worried that he doesn't have any government experience.

He ran a large corporation.  If anyone has tried to run any kind of business, you get government experience.

87

I like Cain. Have some reservations, but Anyone but JEF. Also would love the flames when the media and liberals try to pull the race card.

Question, if we demand to know if he is healthy what about JEF's report? Equal rights.

88 Rick Santorum going to be on hannity...

i like santorum...he seems genuine

89 I'm a little worried that he doesn't have any government experience.

Federal Reserve Board Chairman vs junior Senator for 2 years, hmmmm ...

90 Cain has more executive experience than any of them, what he doesn't have is "government service" experience. As far as I am concerned the only negative associated with that is having a track record so we can see if he will stick to his promises. In other words, all we have to go by is rhetoric.

In that case what you look at is how honest he is. Does he cheat on his wife? Did he shit on his employees in a dishonest and unethical manner?  Has he been caught in lies to the public?

91

Rick Perry/Herman Cain

 Posted by: dagny

B...b...but what about me??

*sniffs*

92
I can't see the MFM being stupid enough to go with the "Uncle Tom/Oreo" angle for long. I think they'll go with "Republican Affirmative Action".

93 Great guy, but he needs a governorship under his belt.

Right.  Because look at what a great job all those experienced politicians have done so far.....

Being a politician was never meant to be a career.

94 Wasn't cain in the navy?  Does that count as "government service experience"?

95

He's announcing his decision on whether or not to seek the nomination this Saturday.  Given that he's been seeing some solid upticks in his poll numbers recently, I'm sure it'll be a go.  Once he's officially announced, I hope he'll start getting some more coverage, even by the filthy, wretched, rotten MFM.  I want to see more of him, just so I can verify that my initial opinions of him are correct and valid. 

Whatever the result of his candidacy, I have nothing but the utmost respect for this man and his family.  Being successful AND black AND a Tea Party conservative?  It's a miracle he hasn't already been excoriated by every "progressive" (read: regressive), "inclusive" (read: exclusive), "diverse" (read: homogenous), "racial equality" (read: racial and political purity) organization on the map.

96 Herman Cain, food CEO and Morehouse grad, is a stealth candidate for the "Aqua Teen Hunger Force."  Watch out for the aliens Emory and Oglethorpe.

Cain / Meatwad 2012!!!

97 Cain is great but his lack of elected experience is a deal killer. We wouldn't accept it from a demonrat and we shouldn't accept it from a GOPer. Great guy, but he needs a governorship under his belt.

Posted by: joncelli at May 18, 2011 03:42 PM (RD7QR)

 

And we've noted your concern.

98

The election is going to be about the economy, so Cain has an advantage there.  If he has a strong foreign policy running mate, that will help blunt his other major weakness.

His lack of goverment experience may end helping him more that it hurts him, too.

So your saying: Cain/Bolton, but really wanting to yell it from the roof top cause you dont want the neighbors to think your crazy.

99 I'm a little worried that he doesn't have any government experience

I worry about the people with govt experience.

100 I like Cain, a lot. I'd vote for him in a heartbeat. I'm not sure about the Cain/Stache VP thing though, I still think Bolton as Secretary of State is the way to go. Not the VP slot.

101 I hate to say this, but we really should avoid a black on the ticket. It will just invite a whole lotta nastiness that would merely obscure the whole undertaking. Lets focus on picking up the votes that Obama can't and not be sidetracked on an Oprah feel good moment. The bitter clingers are still out there, and are likely a lot more bitter and unemployed. Let the Indonesian play to the cheap seats. I don't see either Cain or West as presidential timber simply because they have never existed in the public eye until about 15 minutes ago. There presence on the ticket says something intrinsically weak in this match up.

102
Executive Experience > Government Experience

Every time.

103 99% of all the horseshit a politician needs "government experience" for is done by unelected staffers, interns with easy zippers, and nameless lawyers that we never know about anyway.

The government Morlocks beneath Capitol Hill write all the shit while the Eloi preen in front of the cameras.

Anyone think Brak O'gobshite is doing any heavy-duty thinking and planning? I doubt they let him use scissors.

A President Cain would bring in people with him to fill the gaps and dot the i's.

104 Oddly, Newt Gingrich actually got a tiny bump in support, but this poll was conducted May 12-14, so his latest misadventures are not reflected there. Uh, no... that slight bump you see is just Newt's clit erection.

105

So your saying: Cain/Bolton, but really wanting to yell it from the roof top cause you dont want the neighbors to think your crazy.

Well, kind of, but mostly by default.   If we had other credible foreign policy/national security/military-types, they'd be okay, too. 

I can't name 'em but I'm sure they're out there.

106 I'm a little more ambivalent about the poll results.  While it's funny that a black man would be at the top of the list of preferences for the party the MFM insists is racist, it also may a sign that the party has become overly-defensive about race and overly-eager to express a preference for someone simply because of their skin color.

I admit I don't know all there is to know about Cain.  He seems to be a successful former businessman with a deeply-felt and eloquently-expressed general ideology.  He seems to have a great personality.

If Herman Cain was a 67 year old radio talk show host and former restaurant, food/beverage executive, with no electoral experience, no governing experience, no specifically-articulated position on the essential issues, and was white, I really wonder whether he would be receiving half of the attention he is now. 

107 I have to say, Cain is impressive as hell - dynamic, handsome, dignified, terrific speaker, a natural born leader. Everything Bambi is not. The only reservation I have is that he has no political experience. On the other hand... Newt has decades of experience. Enuff said.

108 By "government service" what I meant was as an elected politician.

109

Posted by: Sub-tard at May 18, 2011 03:50 PM (Q5+Og)

 

Your nic suits you well.

110 He ran a large corporation.  If anyone has tried to run any kind of business, you get government experience.

CEOs historically do very, very bad in elections.  Fiorina, McMahon, and Whitman all spring to mind as people who were CEOs with no government experience and all three of them got killed as bad as Christine O'Donnell did.

It's definitely a risk.

111 "There's no reason to audit the Federal Reserve" said the former Fed chairman Herman Cain last December.

Disqualifying.

112 I can't see the MFM being stupid enough to go with the "Uncle Tom/Oreo" angle for long. I think they'll go with "Republican Affirmative Action".

I agree.  At which point the correct response is: "so you oppose affirmative action?  Racist." 

113 If Herman Cain was a 67 year old radio talk show host and former restaurant, food/beverage executive, with no electoral experience, no governing experience, no specifically-articulated position on the essential issues, and was white, I really wonder whether he would be receiving half of the attention he is now.

With a GOP field this devoid of excitement and lacking a front-runner, he probably still would.

Hell, a helmet-haired loud-mouthed entrepreneur / TV personality was polling very well in the past two months because he was willing to take it to Obama.

114 "Don't be stupid." should be the standard answer to any journolouse who plays the race card.

115 Isn't a governorship or presidency just a high profile management job?  The diff between him and Odipstick is I am not sure the latter ever even had a secretary to manage before the US senate.  And then they managed him.

What you need before experience is good core values.  Otherwise, expericnce means nothing.

116

How does he feel ... about cobras?

117 Cain/Palin
Palin/Cain
Bachman/Cain
Cain/Bachman

you need a woman on the ticket.

118 Cain would make a good president because he has true leadership skills... one of which is knowing how to find good people to support you..... He has economics down cold, which is #1... he can find good people like Bolton, and many others for Veep or Cabinet positions. One major problem Obama has is that he has ideological hacks in his administration. Bush at least had the guts for a while to have Powell (good Army man, lousy politician) who would oppose him.  Of course after a while he traded Powell for Rice so a negative there. (I never liked Rice) But he had Cheney and others who actually did make up for W's weaknesses (just not the overplay his poker hand one).  Obama has no one to counter him.. he could never stand it.

I am a little concerned about Cain getting eaten up by the career politicos and the press. However, we will see how he deals with it during the campaign. Even if he does not get the nomination, having Cain seriously run is a win-win for the Republicans... first we need someone who knows how to talk about the economy from an authoritative standpoint ... that he is black is just icing on the cake. If he does not get the nomination and if he doesnt do anything embarrassingly stupid during the campaign (not that I expect it) ... I want to see him with a prominent position in the next R administration in 2012. (Thinking positive here)

119 I don't think his lack of government experience is a negative in doing the job of President.  The concern is his execution of the job of being a candidate. 

120
"Don't be stupid." should be the standard answer to any journolouse who plays the race card.

or: "Shut the fuck up or ask me something relevant."

121

1. What exactly does a lack of government experience have to do with anything? It's not as though the guy has no executive experience at all. I would put his success in the private sector far above most government experience because in the private sector there is a clear definition of success and failure. Either you are successful, your company makes money, and you keep your job or you are a failure, your company loses money, and you lose your job. Pretty clear cut. The issue with Jugears wasn't that he didn't have enough government experience, it's that he had no executive experience period. Cain's run companies and has put his own money on the line and I would guarantee that he has created more jobs in his private sector career than Jugears has as President.

In keeping with this, our establishment-approved candidate Mittens has all of four years of government experience. Yee haw.

2. The guy doesn't mince words and I believe this is probably why a lot of the Trump support went to him. I still maintain that Trump was getting traction because he was challenging Jugears and no one else was perceived to be doing that. Additionally, his beliefs are pretty well known as he's been on the radio for years. There are no secrets about him. The only real question is how will handle negative press because if he starts picking up steam in the polls the press will begin to tear at him. His ill-worded comments about barring believers of sharia law in his administration suggest to me that he needs to remember that he's no longer a radio host trying to gin up ratings.

3. I have no illusions that nominating Cain would help to get black votes. For me, that ship sailed with the Clarence Thomas nomination.

4. I like what the guy says, I like his charisma, and I would like him just as much if he were white, brown, or some other color.

122 and was white, I really wonder whether he would be receiving half of the attention he is now.

You phrase it as a question, but I think we all know the answer.  His blackness in this case is a political asset for many people, but many others simply want to prove their nondiscriminatory bona fides.  That's not a good enough reason for me to venture into the racial fever swamps, though. 

123

124 I do have to add that being a part of the evil federal reserve does give me significant reservations.

125 They could sell the rights to a John Bolton v. Joe Biden debate on PPV, and the money that would make from the right would completely fund Cain's campaign.  Cain/Bolton FTW.

126 Yeah, I'm with all the others who aren't worried about Cain's lack of government experience.  Look at what the wonks have done with their opportunities.

Give me a man (or woman, for that matter) with the right values and a good head on his (or her) shoulder and they're going to get my support.

Save us from the wonks for a change.

127 Cain / West would be awesome. Business experience and foreign policy balls.

Palin at State and Bolton at Defense.

Ann Coulter for Press Secretary just to up the entertainment.

128 If Herman Cain was a 67 year old radio talk show host and former restaurant, food/beverage executive, with no electoral experience, no governing experience, no specifically-articulated position on the essential issues, and was white, I really wonder whether he would be receiving half of the attention he is now. I think the more cogent question is, If Obama wasn't a flaming radical Leftist Commie Asshole, I really wonder if Cain would receive half the attention he is now.

129

Posted by: Leigh T at May 18, 2011 03:57 PM (pYshP)

 

Agree.  Let's let the campaign play out.

130 Just the fact that he is a black Republican means he has balls and doesn't give a fuck about what the media thinks or says. That is key for me.

131 30 Herman Cain/Allen West 2012 *evil laughter*!! If only because it cause liberal minds to explode all over America for a little bit.
Posted by: Drew in Mo at May 18, 2011 03:31 PM

Proud Son of the Old South here- I'd walk through fire to vote for them.
Add Bolton & Palin in the cabinet, and I'd eat fire to support them.

132 @131
I'll agree with that.  Perhaps a Cain / Mamet ticket?

133 Kratos's head saying 'I told you so!' before dissolving into dust.

E(Enhanced)IFY

134 Ann Coulter for Press Secretary just to up the entertainment.

Posted by: sifty at May 18, 2011 03:59 PM (2dbd9)

 

Swwweeeeet!!!

135 that he is black is just icing on the cake

I fear that it is not only the icing, but the flour, the eggs, the butter and the milk.  And what I don't like about it is that it buys into, and accepts, the false premise that conservatives are racists - that in order to prove we aren't racists we have to promote or nominate someone who is black.  We aren't and we don't.

136 Peter King is thinking about throwing his hat in the presidential ring!

137 If Herman Cain Newt Gingrich was a 67 year old radio talk show host and former restaurant, food/beverage executive, with no little nationwide electoral experience, no governing experience, no specifically-articulated position on the essential issues, and was is white, I really wonder whether he would be receiving half of the attention he is now.

Fixed

138 With a GOP field this devoid of excitement and lacking a front-runner, he probably still would.

This.  Donald Trump was at one point commanding a good chunk of the GOP primary.

Donald.  Trump.

It's a testament to how awful the field is.

139 Fiorina, McMahon, and Whitman all spring to mind as people who were CEOs with no government experience and all three of them got killed as bad as Christine O'Donnell did.

They got killed because they were running in a bluer than blue State. Being a CEO had nothing to do with it.

140 143

Peter King is thinking about throwing his hat in the presidential ring!

Yawn. Other than the betting action on who finishes 5th in Iowa....him or Newt. Peter King is the best we are going to get out New York. But really?

It's not like he's even bringing name recognition with him.  Most people who hear that name probably think "Oh, the CNN SI guy who's always got Tom Brady's cock in his mouth?"

141 It's definitely a risk.

Name a candidate who isn't.  And then name one who better espouses the principles of conservatism who is also currently being discussed as a potential candidate.

142 Mallamutt - I interned at a law firm before starting law school; and never went.  Lost $400 deposit, saved my soul.

143 His bump in the polls is merely a measure of appetite not a decision that he is the main entre. The peeples want someone desparately, but so far haven't found that one. Do they want a numbers guy then a Daniels or Ryan is the answer. Do they want a vision guy then you are talking Palin or Backman. Do they want some one that wears well and doesn't upset the neighbors then you are looking at Christie. Do they want some boring old guy that no one remembers then T-Paw is your best bet. Where does Romney fit it? I guess he is a numbers guy who won't upset the neighbors. There certainly isn't any vision or message with him - other than my greatest political achievement shouldn't count against me.

144

You get elected by attracting votes from that mushy middle.

 

I agree with Rush.  Pandering to a specific group is NOT the way to go.  Expressing good American conservative values is a winner every time.

145 Show me how Cain polls in Wisc, OH, and Mizzou; please.

146 3 Herman Cain is like the Black Vulcan in the Super Friends Posted by: Soothsayer T-Shirt Corp at May 18, 2011 03:23 PM (gM4zK) Obama is like the Black Vulcan from ST: Voyager!

147 Pandering to a specific group is NOT the way to go.

I think that's the point.

148 And what I don't like about it is that it buys into, and accepts, the false premise that conservatives are racists - that in order to prove we aren't racists we have to promote or nominate someone who is black.  We aren't and we don't.

So, we disqualify him out of hand because we don't want to be called racist...

that logic still eludes me....

149 When did David Gregory self-appoint himself Guardian of the Definition of Racism, anyway? Little smug white asshole.

150

All of cMr Cain's answers from the debate, as for those that ask what about the fact that he hasn't held public office before, FF to 10:25. there is the answer.

GO Mr Cain.

151 It's such a great thing that we've had all these previous presidents with elected experience who had a commanding knowledge of policy issues.  They've just done the country so well so far.  Herman Cain, not having any experience in this regard will obviously be a complete failure because only politicians are s-m-r-t smart enough to run this juggernaut. 

It's rocket fucking surgery I tell ya.  After all, if it's one thing this blog has taught me is that despite all the doom and gloom and how much fun it is to trash McCain and Boehner, at the end of the day, we really need those guys and their ability to twist punt.

152 off, sock

153 "'make the executive branch completely ungovernable..' and the problem with that is?" "We've tried that 'government experience' thing over 40 times. I'm ready to try another way....." Not having a chief executive who has a strong handle on the executive branch does NOT mean that we will not be governed... It just means that we will be governed by the unelected permanent bureaucracy. There will be leaks, dissension, sabotage, stonewalling, slow-walking, "whistleblowing," suits, etc. Imagine the reaction to the Porter Goss CIA appointment, but spread across multiple agencies. Imagine the "politicization" claims of the Alberto Gonzales tenure, but spread across multiple agencies with the media eagerly willing to play up the sort of routine "changing of the guard" that took place in that instance as "lawlessness" like they did to the AG. With Obama, we've already seen what happens when you elect a completely inexperienced and manifestly unqualified President... and that's when the bureaucracy SUPPORTS him. I think Cain is qualified, but there is no doubt that he's an inexperienced GOVT executive. CEO's don't have to worry about civil service protections that prevent them from shit-canning half of the middle management cohort.... Presidents do. And because liberals are racists, the liberal permanent bureaucracy will be doubly intent on making sure a black conservative fails. If Cain is nominated, I will crawl over broken glass to vote for him... If he only does one thing in office -- sign a bill repealing Obamacare -- I will gladly accept whatever else comes of his term... but I would still prefer someone who has significant executive branch experience. - Pawlenty - Walker - Christie - Perry - Daniels - even... Palin. And especially the top 3, since they have been tested by the worst that the Dems can muster, and prevailed.

154 I fear that it is not only the icing, but the flour, the eggs, the butter and the milk.  And what I don't like about it is that it buys into, and accepts, the false premise that conservatives are racists - that in order to prove we aren't racists we have to promote or nominate someone who is black.  We aren't and we don't.

Posted by: angler at May 18, 2011 04:02 PM (SwjAj)

 

I'm thinking, perhaps you're full of shit.

155 Mallamutt, I'm experiencing the other end of the Catholic school experience right now - the $7K raise I get when each kid moves from Montessori to kindergarden.

156 So, we disqualify him out of hand because we don't want to be called racist

No, but neither do we qualify him because we don't want to be called racist.  His pigment should be irrelevant.

157 Cain will be the next to self-destruct. He can't help himself- honesty kills. You need to tap the pathological liar in yourself to be a politician. Cain has been in the business world too long.

Plus he only plays one tune and doesn't seem extraordinarily deep on important issues. It makes him look feeble and old. Which will be ridden by Democrats like Secretariat.

158 The inevitable swooning for a non-white candidate is such a regular and funny occurrence on this site. Followed by the also inevitable disappointment when he doesn't prove to the Magic Negro who will resolve us of our collective original sin of racism. Republicans lose because they have lost the the White vote and rushing off to embrace non-whites isn't going to help.

159 "Dominican" is not a race!!

160

So, we disqualify him out of hand because we don't want to be called racist...

We don't control that. That decision is made during the early primaries. We merely speculate on the meaning and image of his candidacy. Does he have a plan to win the primaries? Does he have the funds to do so? Does he have an organization that will fight in the trenches for him? These were the same questions Trump had to answer and he bailed. BTW, Trump has a lot of money and knows a lot of people with money. Trump had no plan and no committed organization. There are only a very few that meet these metrics. We might wish to start focusing on them instead of the midget wrestling.

161

'08 was all about style.

'012 will be about substance.

Hide and watch. Pendulums and all that stuff.

Cain has probably forgotten more about politics than the JEF will ever know. Atlanta ain't Chicago. Look at all the "success" that the country's enjoyed by grafting the graft and corruption from the Windy City.

Obama Fatigue should be setting in very soon.

"Paging Mr. Cat, William D. Cat to the white phone, please..."

162

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at May 18, 2011 04:11 PM (OWjjx)

 

Then, like I said, let's let the campaign play out.  It's not like it's May of 2012.  Once these people commit, then we'll learn all we need to know of them, warts and all.  And trust me.  All of them will have warts.

163 And actually, McMahon did not do that bad.

She lost to a man who lied about his military service record by eight points.  That's pretty bad. 

164  The inevitable swooning for a non-white candidate is such a regular and funny occurrence on this site. Followed by the also inevitable disappointment when he doesn't prove to the Magic Negro who will resolve us of our collective original sin of racism. Republicans lose because they have lost the the White vote and rushing off to embrace non-whites isn't going to help.

Posted by: Typical Ace Reader at May 18, 2011 04:15 PM (LrLv1)

 

Is that you, Ergy? 

165

No, Trump had a plan - pump the numbers for The Apprentice.

 

True. I was speaking of a plan to win the WH.

166 172 And actually, McMahon did not do that bad.

She lost to a man who lied about his military service record by eight points.  That's pretty bad.

Blumenidiot was also the single-most liked politician in Connecticut before the Vietnam stuff was revealed.  People liked the idea of replacing the hated Dodd with him, no matter how scummy he is.

167

... Great guy, but he needs a governorship under his belt.
Posted by: joncelli at May 18, 2011 03:42 PM (RD7QR)

Excuse me, but why does one need to be an elected offical to be an experienced exectutive?

168 Yes, why does one need to be a politician in order to be president?

169 165:

I'm thinking the Republicans lose when lots of stupid people vote for free shit and zero personal responsibility like the children they are.

170 165 Posted by: Typical Ace Reader at May 18, 2011 04:15 PM (LrLv1)

Why does this have anything to do with race?  The only ones who care about race are the Left, because it's the only thing they have that they can use as a bullwhip against people they don't like.  And it fails them every time because people are sick of it.

I don't care about Palin's gender, Cain's race, or that guy from Bush's administration who came out last year that he's gay (whatever the heck his name is).  Cain speaks a solid conservative vision.  Will he hold up against the more established polticians during the primary campaign?  Don't know.  But I'm certainly not going to scoff at his candidacy.  And I'm not going to look at myself and go, "Gosh, am I only embracing him as a candidate because he's black and I want to absolve myself of some perceived collective original sin of racism?"  No.  Because I don't feel guilty about such a thing, and because I actually LIKE what Herman Cain says.

I always say that if you vote for someone because of their color or gender, you're an idiot.  But you're also an idiot if you don't vote for someone for those very same reasons.

171 Dominican is more than halfway.

172

Is that you, Ergy? 

Posted by: Soona at May 18, 2011 04:20 PM (SCK1+)

He must have heard that Cain is a Joooooo or something....

173 As has been pointed out, Cain needs a Team. That's his weakness.

I mean, you can say that Romney or Palin has experience facing down the bureaucracy, but a President is not going to do that in person, all the time. They need to have a team of people with experience doing that, to be the Cabinet and advisors.

That's what Cain doesn't have (that I know of). That used to be why we only had a field of a few candidates and not a half-dozen - because there were only a couple of good "teams" floating around.

And I may just be missing it, but we used to talk about the team members, at least through the 2000 election, maybe 2004. In 2008 nobody on the left (especially the MBM) wanted to talk teams.

174

2012 will be a slugfest. Drafting newbies to run on the top of the ticket is asking for trouble. We need candidates that know how the press works and can beat them at their own game. The press is the opposition not teh Dems. Hell their candidate can't even speak without a script. Their VP is a running joke. Its the press that stand in our way - not the Dems. See 2010 election results.

175 The point was it was not their CEO experience that made these candidates lose - it was the geography.

So your takeaway is that winning a Senate race in a blue state is basically impossible.  What about the guys who did win in blue states in 2010, like Scott Brown or Mark Kirk? 

Was there a CEO candidate in 2010 who won a Senate race?

176 187:

The guys who do win almost immediately turn around and rape us in the Rosie O'Donnell.

177 Barry will lose next year to a ham sandwich, with or without pickle.  We should, therefore, make sure that our winner by accident is going to govern from the right.

178 " I'm also a little worried that he had a bout with cancer, though I don't know how much people weigh such things in making decisions." WTF does that even mean? What point is the author trying to make here? Anyone?

179 I just remembered that Cain supported TARP (or possibly the bailouts), and that gave me great pause. So, yeah-- no perfect candidates, you deal with the candidates you have, blah blah blah. I'm just saying he looks like one of the best in a weak field.

180 I understand the sport aspect of following potential candidates and such- it's sort of like "fantasy president."

However, here's the bottom line for me:

Is there any circumstance that you can ever imagine yourself voting for Teh Won?

I cannot.

Ever.

So I'm just waiting around, hoping for someone I can tolerate.

181 Also, sacred honor compels me to point out that last time 'round, I was a total Fredhead. So, yeah. I got nothin'. "Wait and see" should probably be the approach to all these candidates for the next several months or so.

182 Stupid leftover sock. That makes me hungry. And you won't like me when I'm hungry.

183 3, I need him to be some other race. I will not insist on "White," but I refuse to go lower than "Dominican." That's my drop-dead position on race. I will meet him halfway, but only halfway.

There will be some bloggers (little green ones, perhaps) who will claim you aren't joking.

184 192 I just remembered that Cain supported TARP (or possibly the bailouts), and that gave me great pause.

So, yeah-- no perfect candidates, you deal with the candidates you have, blah blah blah.

I'm just saying he looks like one of the best in a weak field.

Cain was actually right about TARP in that he said we'd turn a profit from the bank stocks, which did happen thanks to the 5% interest we charged them. Of course, we're losing our ass on AIG, GM and Fannie/Freddie, but that's not the part of TARP he was supporting. It was Bush (at Obama's request) in December who widened TARP to include the auto companies; the F/F bailout preceded TARP by a few months.

185 If Cain needs a woman on the ticket, how about Newt?

186 I like Cain, a lot.

I thought he handled himself well in the SC debate and I admire his propensity to make his case without wandering off into the weeds of political doublespeak.

Of each of the other candidates and professional politicians, I'd ask "(1) Of what accomplishment are you particularly proud, (2) did implementing it come in under (or on) budget, and (3) did it meet its payback goals under (or at) the deadline set for it?" And then I'd watch them squirm ...

187 Brown won MA because the time was right and the Dems were overconfident and didn't actually start campaigning until the end. He will lose the next despite being an incumbent.

A RINO Republican can win in a blue State but it takes the "perfect storm". But in the end what do we get, a back stabber.

188 Cain: It's not about color, it's about competence.

189 Ace...did you really drop the "I'm a little worried about his government experience" line?  Thank god he doesn't have any beltway experience.  The polls say America doesn't want another elitist asshole.

190 I don't hold TARP-1 to badly against them. We had a Republican President requesting it. I do hold TARP-2 against them.

191

Oh G-d. When I first read it I thought it said McCain. Whew.

Cain? Meh, I'm luke warm on him. I'd like to learn more about him. It will be interesting to see what happens. That being said, it's always seemed the last few elections that the early front runner burns out and the one who gets the nod is not who is hot right now.

192 I mean, you can say that Romney or Palin has experience facing down the bureaucracy, but a President is not going to do that in person, all the time. They need to have a team of people with experience doing that, to be the Cabinet and advisors.

That's what Cain doesn't have (that I know of). That used to be why we only had a field of a few candidates and not a half-dozen - because there were only a couple of good "teams" floating around.

And I may just be missing it, but we used to talk about the team members, at least through the 2000 election, maybe 2004. In 2008 nobody on the left (especially the MBM) wanted to talk teams.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at May 18, 2011 04:27 PM (bxiXv)

Companies have internal bureaucracies, special interests and politics just like government, so its possible Cain isn't entirely without experience with them.

And the post victory "Teams" can include anyone from the entire Party.

193 Ace: "I want him to prove to me he's fluent with real policy details, not just broad themes."

I want him to be an executive who can implement broad themes by hiring and placing people fluent with real policy details.

I'm pretty sure he can do that, so check #1 off the list.

194

The current occupant of the White House already met us halway on race.  See where that got us.  I think we need to go all the way in support of cain on this issue. 

I will concede though, the the Present of the U.S. does seem to have changed his mind about the halfway thing subsequent to his coronation.

195 I have concerns about electability, but then again this is going to be a referendum on Jugears. If the economy is still in the shitter come Nov 2012, its over for Jugears and it doesn't matter who we nominate.

I also agree with 206.  He doesn't have to know everything about everything, he just has to be able to hire the cabinet who does.  I trust him to nominate a conservative cabinet more than any others in the race right now. 

196 Cain/Palin 2012

197 Look, the simple fact of the matter is Bambi wouldn't have sniffed the presidency without his blackness. If he was simply white, he'd have been Dennis Kucinich. The Dems already had a white Dennis, they needed to add a black Dennis.

Duly noted by my office mate, who is black, and voted for JEF. The real test for my friend and others like him who jumped all over the "historic vote" to get a black man in the Seat, was it really color or ideology?

With Cain, the black community could easily embrace him, but since they are stuck on the plantation of hideous ideas, they keep the suck going.

198 Furthermore, if any knot heads bring up "lack of experience" after this last national election, they should just stick a ball peen hammer in their earlobe...and stick their tongue on a hot projector bulb for  twenty seconds.

199

Like Ace the 'never having held elective office' I find a negative.  After all the three worst presidents in history were all political outsiders:

John Tyler,  BunnyBane Carter and Ogabe.  Things go south with Congress and there's no currency to buy them back.

OTOH,  I think he'd serve if elected,  good write-in.

200

John Tyler,  BunnyBane Carter and Ogabe.  Things go south with Congress and there's no currency to buy them back.

OTOH,  I think he'd serve if elected,  good write-in.

Posted by: gary gulrud at May 18, 2011 05:58 PM (/g2vP)

Carter was a governor. Obama a Senator. Tyler a Congressman and Vice President.

201 Carter was a governor. Obama a Senator. Tyler a Congressman and Vice President.

For what, the 43 days he showed up for work?

202

"Carter was a governor. Obama a Senator. Tyler a Congressman and Vice President."

No kidding?

Carter was two years in Augusta having won out of nowhere in anti-insider enmity.  His political ineptitude dogged him at every turn. 

Tyler had been ejected from the Whigs and spent the duration an outcast.

O'Maomba, flim-flam <i>artiste</i>, vaulted to the top on a sonorous voice and darkish skincolor,  not political savvy.

The point is none had pull inside DC.  Dimmis may hold his lack of leadership against him, but he was a useless tool in the IL Senate as well.  Big surprise. 

 

203 Cain doesn't seem to be using his race...why are the rest of you? Honestly, sometimes I worry about my racist tendencies, then I read this. All the twisting and turning worrying about him being black...I don't give two sh!ts what color he is...he talks like a conservative, he's successful many times over, and he's a loyal American. Get past his skin color, people.

204 For the record:

I'll trust being goverened by an inexperienced patriot over these "America-last" imposters.

Cain = smooth real chocolate in a conservative sugar cone

Obama = fake chocolate "dip cone."  False black outer shell, inside vanilla set in a flaky cone of routine Marxist academia)

205 Unfortunately, it's too late for Mr. Cain to be the first black president. But he can make history by being the first competent black president.

206

" I'm a little worried that he doesn't have any government experience."

Mr Cain's responce to that question at a local fund raiser last night was

"And how's that been working for you?"
 

 

207 Someone prepared to meet a candidate for president half-way on race, in the sense Ace described, would be prepared to meet the candidate Obama on exactly that basis.

208 209 Cain/Palin 2012

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