1

You know why ObamaCare is so similar to ObamaCare

Well, I could take a guess.

2 Perry Scheme!  Perry Scheme!

3 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Oh, and where is polynikes to tell us this isn't the same thing at all, and that Romney was forced, forced I tell you, you sign RomneyCare?

4 Romney has not been vetted on health care, contrary to what lots of folks are saying.  The average primary voter has not really sat down and digested Romney's record - and current stance - on this issue.  Last round Mitt's supposed expertise on health care was touted as one of his big selling points.  That was before Obamacare was shoved down the Nation's throat.  If this issue is really examined, I think Romney is going to have a very hard time justifying his positions, and record, on health care. 

5 Do we know how close to Romney these advisors were? Remember, Romney vetoed significant parts of what eventually became law. Looking forward to Romneys response to this

6 As bad, good, or neutral as it is, Romney, in addition to being the more traditional politician of the field, has the problem of his Mormonism.  I think in the end, most of the people who hold his religious beliefs against him would probably vote for him against Obama.  But there are probably some who feel so strongly about it that they wouldn't.  So, Rino, Romneycare, Mormon.  Two and a quarter strikes.  One more probably does him in.  If this is considered sleeping with the enemy it may be enough.

7 LOL, that pretty much puts the lie that Obamacare wasn't based on Romneycare to bed.

8 Expect a fresh round of attacks on Romney in tonight's debate.

What are you basing that on? Right now the ONLY one attacking him is Perry.

9 6 paris well, i don't think we'll get an answer....the next debate is going to be about a rock and a pastor's comment about mitt's religion.......

10 I'm beginning to think that just picking the most pliable candidate of the bunch is the way to go. Someone without convictions and then work harder at getting conservative House and Senate members. If Mitt was actually forced to sign Romneycare then things might work out.

11 I understood that tonights debates focus strickly on the Economy. No rocks allowed.

12 Posted by: Buzzsaw at October 11, 2011 10:08 AM (tf9Ne)

DOOM Lite?

13 The average primary voter has not really sat down and digested Romney's record - and current stance - on this issue.

LOL, Y-not the average voter hasn't looked at ANY of Romney's record. If they had he would be lower in the polls than that insane idiot "rent's too high" guy.

14 Remember, Romney vetoed significant parts of what eventually became law.

Funny how he spent all of 2008 saying he was the perfect person to fix national healthcare because of that Massachusetts law.

15 the only thing perfect about mitt is his hair.......

16 “The White House wanted to lean a lot on what we’d done in Massachusetts,” said Jon Gruber, an MIT economist who advised the Romney administration on health care and who attended five meetings at the Obama White House in 2009, including the meeting with the president. “They really wanted to know how we can take that same approach we used in Massachusetts and turn that into a national model.”

Based on that quote, PP, I'd would think that they were at least close enough to be well familiar with the parts that did get signed into law- since Obama "wanted to lean a lot on what we'd done."  That is- what actually made it into law.

The fact is, how close they were to Romney doesn't matter- what matters is that this is the people who actually crafted what made it into law saying that ObamaCare is heavily based on RomneyCare- despite what Romney has been saying for the last year or so.

17 Please no Romney, he will solidify obamacare.

Help us SCotUS.

Against all odds, I still got Newt as my top guy until he drops out.

18 I understood that tonights debates focus strickly on the Economy. No rocks allowed.

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at October 11, 2011 10:09 AM (ZDUD4)

Moderator to Perry:  How many people are employed in Texas to paint over rocks?

19 Mitt Romney is a disaster. Not sure why more people don't get this. He LOVES Romney care and his favorite strategy is to demonize opponents that suggest we need entitlement reform.

20 Tami-Cardinals! at October 11, 2011 10:11 AM Yeah, I could see that.

21

I wonder if I get Bloomberg. I'll have to check.

 

The more this primary goes on, the more I fear a Romney win.

 

Think of it this way. If he wins, he will have won the primaries without conservatives. He will not be indebted to us at all.

He won't have to govern as a conservative, he won't have to even pander to conservatives. He won't have to put conservatives on the supreme court. In all likelihood he will probably abandon evangelicals if he wins the presidency because of how they've treated him.

He'll essentially be a McCain. If he wins, he will have won without us and therefore not need to do anything we want. Let's face it, we're all voting Republican in 2012. He's counting on it.  And if he wins, and doesn't end Obamacare, role back regulations, reform the tax code, make an effort to fix medicare or social security, what are we going to do? Vote democrat in 2016? Stay home? Primary him?

Romney winning has the potential to be very bad for conservative or even libertarian leaning republicans.

22 I understood that tonights debates focus strickly on the Economy. No rocks allowed.

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at October 11, 2011 10:09 AM (ZDUD4)

I wish that were true, but a couple of days ago I saw something that said the organizers had changed their minds and would restrict debate about the economy only to half of the debate time.

IOW we will be back to debating 50 year old rocks and obscure Baptist preachers in TX.

23 Vic at October 11, 2011 10:11 AM Figures, FKRS.

24 tami----cardinals ok your team bumped my team out....but i dislike the brewers more....so i'm going with the cardinals in the division playoffs.... as for the the "how many people are employed in texas to paint over rocks?" roflmao!

25 Romey < piece of shit

26 The fact is, how close they were to Romney doesn't matter- what matters is that this is the people who actually crafted what made it into law saying that ObamaCare is heavily based on RomneyCare- despite what Romney has been saying for the last year or so

--

To me the thing that matters the most, and the biggest reason for me dropping him as my candidate earlier this year, is that Romney will not admit Masscare is a disaster.  That, coupled with his love of ethanol and scare-mongering on Social Security, relegates him to an ABO general election candidate. 

27 his favorite strategy is to demonize opponents that suggest we need entitlement reform.

This.

BTW- is anyone else hearing the AMA commercials about the scheduled drop in Medicare Provider fees if "Congress doesn't fix it?"  They're targeting Jeb Henserling here in DFW.

I really want to call the number they provide "for more information," and ask, "Aren't you the same American Medical Association that endorsed ObamaCare?  And wasn't it already known at that time that ObamaCare used not making the 'Doc Fix' as one of its accounting gimmicks to seem like it would cost less than it really will?  So why are you now complaining that the 'Doc Fix' won't actually be done?"

28

I didn't trust Mitt back in 2008 when I'd heard about his conversion on the abortion issue, an epiphany just in time to run for president. Honestly, I don't even care much about abortion as an issue, but it seemed a little too convienient that his back and forth on the issue seems to flow with whichever constituency he's trying to woo at the time.

Mitt 2012: I'm with you on everything, until it looks like it's in my interest to fuck you.

29 actually the brewers bumped my team out.....i need more tea

30 DOOM Lite?

Since that was our trajectory before Obama you're right it is a bad plan. Just so sick of it all.

31

>>What are you basing that on? Right now the ONLY one attacking him is Perry.

Unfortunately Vic is right. Romney has successfully co-opted all of the other candidates with the exception of Paul and Gingrich. Perhaps he promised them jobs in his administration or help if he wins the presidency in their aspirations for higher office

Even Cain is coming out against Perry.

I'm still so mad at Perry. Had he done well in those debates, he would have sewn up the f*cking nomination and Romney would be an afterthought.

32 ok your team bumped my team out....but i dislike the brewers more....so i'm going with the cardinals in the division playoffs....

as for the the "how many people are employed in texas to paint over rocks?" roflmao!

Posted by: phoenixgirl at October 11, 2011 10:13 AM (eOXTH)

You're a good sport, phoenixgirl!

33 Posted by: Flapjackmaka at October 11, 2011 10:13 AM (/seYh)

I think you've got your comparison operator facing the wrong way, there.

34 tami----cardinals Ok your team bumped my team out....But I dislike the brewers more....So i'm going with the cardinals in the division playoffs.... Brewers fan here, As a good ron, know that I will be here to comfort you in your grief when the red birds lose. It's just the way I am.

35 Ben is spot on. And I am beginning to wonder if Cain isn't in there just to help Romney, and he is more than fine with it. Look at the facts folks, Perry may not be perfect, but he sure seems to have the establishment lined up against him.

36 The preacher thing has me pretty friggin' annoyed.  Contrary to what someone here posted on that day referencing, but not linking, the twitter report on it, Perry's people did not choose that dude to introduce him at the Value Voters event nor did the pastor make the cult charge during the introduction of Perry.  That was all a smear.  Origins unknown. 

37 I can't believe we might be letting this one get away.

38 Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at October 11, 2011 10:16 AM (ZDUD4)

Doesn't matter to me.  Whoever it is will just be filling the role of "2nd Place" to the Rangers when all is said and done.

39 @40
Sadly, I also think Ben's right. 

40 The preacher thing has me pretty friggin' annoyed.  Contrary to what someone here posted on that day referencing, but not linking, the twitter report on it, Perry's people did not choose that dude to introduce him at the Value Voters event nor did the pastor make the cult charge during the introduction of Perry.  That was all a smear.  Origins unknown. 

Posted by: Y-not at October 11, 2011 10:17 AM (5H6zj)

Perry should just say the legislature forced him to know that preacher.  That excuse seems to work for Romney.

41 Romney is a clear speaking cluster fk of a miserable failure AND he has nice hair.

Debate and flame.

42 38 Posted by: Flapjackmaka at October 11, 2011 10:13 AM (/seYh) I think you've got your comparison operator facing the wrong way, there. --------- Nope. Romney is shit. Worse than the dirt on the bottom of my shoe

43 And, of course, Perry quickly came out with a statement saying he did not think the LDS were a cult.  I don't know how widely reported it was, though. 

44

Also, a Romney win will kill the GOP. After an historic election for the GOP, led by the Tea party, the GOP has decided to tell them to sit down and we'll handle it from here.

Just a reminder you bastards, the GOP was not led to victory by the likes of Boehner, McConnell, and Romney. Nominate Romney at your own peril.

Again, I will not be voting for Mittens in a general election, I feel bad for the Morons living in states where they might actually be needed to vote for that shit sandwich.

45 y not exactly....sometimes the right does the lefts job for them .....spreading the lies.......

46 Repeat from early:

This is one of the reasons I can not stand neocon Krauthammer

Krauthammer: Perry should sever ties with Mormon-denouncing pastor

Krauthammer stressed that Perry is now connected with Jeffress, and said that the candidate now must publicly rebuke the reverend. “It isn’t quite enough to say he doesn’t agree,” Krauthammer said. “Like it or not, he’s associated with the Rev. Jeffress.”

What ties Krautstupid? He is not PerryÂ’s pastor. Perry doesnÂ’t pal around with him. And hell, they are not even in the same religious denomination. The only tie he has is a fictitious one that asshole Romney supporters in the media keep pushing. Does Romney need to break ties with Obama?  After all, they have more in common than Perry and this other asshole.

47 Posted by: Y-not at October 11, 2011 10:19 AM (5H6zj)

This is what is so bizarre to me: why would anyone to the right of Mitt attack Perry as viciously as they have without some pay-off?  Cain may be delusional enough to believe he can win the primary- but the rest have to be smart enough to know they were doomed pretty well from the beginning.

If their main goal is conservatism, why wouldn't they be doing everything they could to deny Romney the nomination, and "let the best man win" among the rest?

And the only thing I can come up with is this: They're not in it for conservatism, they're not in it to fix America, they're in it for power- bother personal and party- and the American People are just there to be duped into voting for them.

The only one I don't think that of is Newt, who seems to be the only one to remember the primary rule: Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

48

I still agree with Drew's analysis that Romneycare is already baked into the cake for Romney's support in the GOP primaries.  This says that advisors on health care met with O's team on heatlh care - sounds like when the Dems complained that Cheney met with energy advisors for his energy task force.  Romney has said repeatedly that he would repeal Ocare - most voters will accept that even if the Ace/HA crowd won't. 

Also, where are all those who said the Dems aren't attacking Mitt because they want to face him - aren't these attacks arguing the opposite?

And, for Perry to take advantage he needs to be able to string 2 sentences together in a debate

49

If the imbecilic GOP actually nominates Romney, I hope by some miracle he actually manages to beat Obama and get elected unlike McCain, so he can turn around and fuck you all and maybe there will be a lesson involved.

In other news, British conservatives are pondering whether or not to toss extra taxes on the fatties.

50 Doesn't matter to me. Whoever it is will just be filling the role of "2nd Place" to the Rangers when all is said and done. Get past the tigers first, then we'll talk.

51

Another 50 years of this shit, we'll all be building pyramids.

52

OT but important, imo.

IÂ’ve changed my opinion of the Tea Party.  Those bastards are racist Nazis!  Just like all those dem pols said they were!

What?  Not Tea Party event?  Crap.

53 we're all voting Republican in 2012

You got a rabidly partisan mouse in your pocket?  I got a few state level Republicans out here that have gone so far left I'm voting for the democrat in order to get something less liberal.

54

The Trial Lawyers hate Perry's guts.

They are afraid that he will do nationwide what he has done in TX. .....There's a reason why thousands of doctors have been flocking to TX, as well as medical researchers. ....It's because of the tort reforms that Perry signed years ago.

Romney doesn't seem to care about Tort Reform. ....I mean, I haven't heard him talk about it much at all, except for the rote-prog-line of "I am for it" and then not doing anything further about it.

If you look at who is bashing Perry.....a lot of it can be traced to some tie-in with the trial lawyers.  Trial Lawyers would probably prefer lets-make-a-deal Romney or Cain.

Rupert Murdoch has relied on Lawyers a lot in order to get FoxNews into the markets that liberals had tried to keep closed to him. ....Maybe that's why Fox seems to be pushing their Romney-Cain-love so much.  ....Megyn Kelly is a lawyer after all, which could have something to do with her behavior towards Perry.

It doesn't matter if Bloomberg's debate tonight isn't on everyone's tv tonight. ....The results will be replayed on various videos......If Perry does well [or not], we will hear about it. 

55 If their main goal is conservatism, why wouldn't they be doing everything they could to deny Romney the nomination, and "let the best man win" among the rest?

Because everybody thinks they are Otto Von Bismarck.  Instead of knee-capping Romney (which would take about twenty minutes of directed fire during a debate) everybody's trying to play Spider King and fight for the conservative vote, then deal with Mitt after.

56 @53
Absolutely. 

Look, I completely disagree with the demonization of the LDS Church (even while not agreeing with many aspects of their faith), but I do not need Perry to "disavow" or insult millions of Southern Baptists to prove to me that he's not a bigot.  I found no evidence that he's bigoted in his public life.  That's all that matters to me. 

57

Also, has anyone noticed that a lot of Cain's "campaign events" are just book signings?

Is he seriously running for the President or trying to sell books/market himself for a post primary job?

 

If Cain and Romney are splitting each others votes come primary voting then we're going to get Romney.

It'll be like 2008 all over again with The Fred, Giuliani, Huck and Mitt splitting the Not McCain votes.

We have got to stop Romney. We need to settle on either Cain or Perry, I would prefer Perry, but if he can't show he's not a stuttering clusterfuck at one of the debates then I guess I'll back Cain even thought I think he's a weak general election candidate.

 

58

Romney has said repeatedly that he would repeal Ocare -

Yes he has. Doesn't mean he will.

most voters will accept that

Also doesn't make it remotely true.

That guy will say whatever it takes to get elected.

59 Posted by: Flapjackmaka at October 11, 2011 10:21 AM (/seYh)

Whoops, read that the wrong way.
Okay, carry on.

Posted by: Vic at October 11, 2011 10:22 AM (M9Ie6)

Cabbage-smasher is 90% waste-of-space 10% accidental brilliance.  In this case, we get the 90%.

60 Romney has said repeatedly that he would repeal Ocare - most voters will accept that even if the Ace/HA crowd won't. 

Posted by: nobama12 at October 11, 2011 10:22 AM (ykY2u)

Romney says he'll issue waivers, and when pressed, sheepishly says he'd sign a repeal. Problem is, that's gonna require some leadership. If Boehner was Newt, I wouldn't be worried, but look at the shitheads we've got leading the GOP in Congress right now and try to tell me with a straight face that they will lead the charge for repeal.

Repealing Obamacare will require some leadership, that leadership will have to come from the WH, Romney will not lead on this issue. President Romney is just another way to spell DOOM.

61 58

Another 50 years of this shit, we'll all be building pyramids.

Posted by: Entropy at October 11, 2011 10:23 AM (IsLT6)

Sounds like a shovel ready project to me...

Maybe a more enticing government work program would be creating millions of bikini wax jobs.  I for one would volunteer for one of those.  And the work would be ongoing, after all, since the "bikini" hair does grow back...

So there you go.  What we need is an FDR-style BWA (Bikini Wax Authority). 

62 Also, has anyone noticed that a lot of Cain's "campaign events" are just book signings? Campaigns take money, he needs more. If signing a few books will help, I'm good with it.

63 Also, has anyone noticed that a lot of Cain's "campaign events" are just book signings? Campaigns take money, he needs more. If signing a few books will help, I'm good with it. Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at October 11, 2011 10:26 AM (ZDUD4) And at this point, what is he going to say that we don't know anyway? hey make as money as you can. Some of us are still Capitalists!

64

>>>>You got a rabidly partisan mouse in your pocket? I got a few state level Republicans out here that have gone so far left I'm voting for the democrat in order to get something less liberal.

We're talking about the Presidential race in this thread.

65 Maybe that's why Fox seems to be pushing their Romney-Cain-love so much.

Nah, they are liberals to the core, just not totally communist in some cases.  The push for the R squish comes from Murdoch. Truth be known, 90%  of the actual reporters and talking heads will vote Democrat.

66 @The only one I don't think that of is Newt, who seems to be the only one to remember the primary rule: Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

I know!  I find myself feeling ok about Newt as my backup to Perry. 

67

we're all voting Republican in 2012

You got a rabidly partisan mouse in your pocket? 

I only vote for libertarian protest candidates, unless one of them looks like they'll actually win in which case I write in Batman. Haven't had that problem yet.

68 65

Romney has said repeatedly that he would repeal Ocare -

Yes he has. Doesn't mean he will.

most voters will accept that

Also doesn't make it remotely true.

That guy will say whatever it takes to get elected.

Posted by: Entropy at October 11, 2011 10:26 AM (IsLT6)

I'm no great Romney fan, but it seems to me that a guy that waffles as much as he does probably has no great emotional attachment to Romney a/k/a Obamacare... if the Congress presents him with a repeal bill to sign, he can read the tea leaves as well as the next guy and sign it.  Because he'll know all hell would break loose if he didn't it.

69 Get past the tigers first, then we'll talk.

We lead the series 2-0.  I like our chances.

70 Nice jobs, Mittens.

I will fight like hell to ensure this POS candidate is not our goddamn nominee.

71 I wonder if anyone will ask Mr Cain about him sitting on the board of a company that sold carbon and energy credits to it's employees-ENRON style and then went bankrupt causing the employees to lose everything and file a class action lawsuit, which was settled out of court to keep the publicity down? He claims to be a non believer in AGW- then what the hell is that? Mitt stood outside of a factory and yelled into the cameras "this company is KILLING people" which is it boys? are you guys FOR or AGAINST AGW and the phony green jobs scam and carbon scheme the EPA and UN are trying to impose?
Mitt and his wife attended a Planned parenthood fundraiser and donated their own personal dollars to it and yet claim to be anti- abortion. Again-which is it Mitt?
Cain's 9-9-9 plan raises taxes right when the economy is at it's lowest point-RAISE TAXES? NOT A CONSERVATIVE PLANK-HERB. Mitt Romney owned the company Cain used to work for- as a matter of fact, Mitt also owns the company that Hannity works for-no wonder he is always on his show! A high ranking "employee" of Matt drudge also works/campaigns for Mitt-what a SMALL world! Now  WHO would start running for president six years early and plan so far ahead as to buy radio stations and newspapers?  The evvviiil sith Lord,Rick Perry? or the hinge spined Willard Romney? One of these things is not like the other.
Romney's advisors to his shitty Masscare helped craft Obamacare?-oh come on, in a state where Suds Kennedy was allowed to KILL a woman and still stay in office? That's ancient history! Stop dwelling in the past! But now that Perry, we have a 25 year old rock, with a racist name and they used WHITE PAINT to hide their sin- that's right WHITE PAINT.......

72 Rasmussen has Obama up 5 points in the past few days. I guess crapping on police cars is popular with Obama voters.

73 sorry oldsailor's poet....cardinal's rangers and sorry tami.....while i like the national league more....texas!

74 If Boehner was Newt, I wouldn't be worried, but look at the shitheads we've got leading the GOP in Congress right now and try to tell me with a straight face that they will lead the charge for repeal.

Posted by: mugiwara at October 11, 2011 10:26 AM (W7ffl)

Boehner has been a major disappointment by doing the absolute minimum in getting rid of Bammycare.  The weepy cocksucker doesn't seem to realize that opposition to the POS is the main reason he's Speaker of the House.

75 If Perry does well [or not], we will hear about it.

How much play did Perry's Value Voters speech get compared to Cain's? Most of the reporting vis a vis Perry at that thing was with regards to the preacher's comment, trying to tie Perry to that comment. 

76

More bad news for Republicans.  Bush was a lazy President.

What?  Not Bush?  Crap.

77

>>>And at this point, what is he going to say that we don't know anyway? hey make as money as you can. Some of us are still Capitalists!

Oh, I've got not problem with him making money and I haven't seen any evidence that his books sales are going to his campaign general fund.

I just can't help but wonder that he's not really running to win.

 

78 @78
If they ask, it will be more than they have asked of Obama in 6 years.

79 if the Congress presents him with a repeal bill to sign, he can read the tea leaves as well as the next guy and sign it.  Because he'll know all hell would break loose if he didn't it.

The issue being that "if."  Congress won't be able to pass a repeal bill without some serious leadership and expenditure of political capital on the part of the President.  Not unless we get a super-majority in the Senate which then also removes McConnell and places someone else as SML.

So the question shouldn't be, "Mr. Romney, would you sign a repeal?" it should be, "Mr. Romney, what would you do to ensure a repeal bill will make it to your desk?"

80

#65 - that't my point.  The hard-core anti-Romney folks don't believe anything he says.  Doesn't meant that's the same attitude of the general voting public. 

Turn it around.  There were those saying Perry would implement the Dream Act nationwide.  Perry supporters said he wouldn't and they believe him.  Others don't believe him.  Same situation, different candidate

Turn it around again.  Perry supporters believe he is the 2nd coming of Reagan and defend his every action.  Others see (so far) a poor debate performer, one who hasn't articulated any policy plans, and hasn't explained what he did to earn credit for what happened in Texas.  As stated above if Perry did any of this he would be well ahead.

81

53 Vic,

Yeah.....Krauthammer has been pissing me off with his attacks on the candidates. ....First it was Palin, then Perry. ....He obviously is liking Mittens in this cycle.

I have liked Charles Krauthammer for years, even though he is an elitist snob, his attacks on liberals and Obama have been great. ....But his personal biases on the candidates has gone beyond irksome.

Btw, Vic.....good luck tomorrow.  And I'd like to thank you for all the great links you post.....Thanks.

82 83 hussein even BANKERS don't keep those hours anymore!!!!!

83 Romney has said repeatedly that he would repeal Ocare - most voters will accept that even if the Ace/HA crowd won't. 

He needs to show how he can attack Obama with it, not just refuse to veto it.  He needs a sincere act of contrition, we know he can flip well and we want to see it.

84 OT: AVENGERS TRAILER IS RELEASED!!!!!!!!!!!!! Kinda not the tone I was expecting, but still looking quite epic. (The rock soundtrack kind of threw me off)

85 "I believe we must choose a governor and so the race really has to be between Romney and Perry" Oh, and props to my peeps at GOProud! The Rainbow people are my people.

86 sorry oldsailor's poet....cardinal's rangers and sorry tami.....while i like the national league more....texas!

Posted by: phoenixgirl at October 11, 2011 10:31 AM (eOXTH)

I take back what I said about you before.  We're through!

87 If Boehner was Newt, I wouldn't be worried, but look at the shitheads we've got leading the GOP in Congress right now and try to tell me with a straight face that they will lead the charge for repeal.
--------
^This. 

And, thanks to Mittens, we'll get no push to reform Social Security either. 

88

I realize it's hard for Republicans to always argue the conservative position on each issue that arises, but some of these issues seem to have more of a make-or-break aspect to them.  At this point I'm wondering if Perry's immigration position is more damaging to him than Mitt's healthcare position.  Not just because Perry was "supposed" to be more conservative than Mitt, but maybe because the issue itself is more critical to some conservatives. 

Maybe not, I'm just wondering at this point, because honestly I can't understand how Mitt could be the likely nominee, which he is. 

89

>>I only vote for libertarian protest candidates, unless one of them looks like they'll actually win in which case I write in Batman. Haven't had that problem yet.

I'd be in office now if it weren't for those unlikey-to-ever-win libertarians.

90

>>Romney has said repeatedly that he would repeal Ocare -

 

Romney also told me he would call after and he didn't.

 

If you haven't noticed, Romney will say anything to anyone to get what he wants.

91 lol tami i love nolan ryan and texas......what can i say?

92 I am pretty much a man without a vote next year.  The nominee will likely be picked by the time it gets here, plus no senate race, can't help out there.

So choose well my friends, and I think dos equis means vote twice.

93 So the question shouldn't be, "Mr. Romney, would you sign a repeal?" it should be, "Mr. Romney, what would you do to ensure a repeal bill will make it to your desk?"

What a good-looking question.  I think it's nice we live in a country where people can ask questions like that.  Did I mention that anybody who opposes me is anti-Mormon?  Also, Rick Perry wants to put all the old people in America into a volcano and nuke it, like in my favorite novel.

94 Not just because Perry was "supposed" to be more conservative than Mitt, but maybe because the issue itself is more critical to some conservatives.

Not logical because Romney is pro-amnesty and worse on border control than Perry.

95

Remember at the debates when Perry pointed out a line was taken out from Rmney's book (something about it being applied nationwide) and Romney said it wasn't.

Well it was - so Romney flat out lied in that debate. We dont need any more liars.

96

I'm no great Romney fan, but it seems to me that a guy that waffles as much as he does probably has no great emotional attachment to Romney a/k/a Obamacare... if the Congress presents him with a repeal bill to sign, he can read the tea leaves as well as the next guy and sign it.  Because he'll know all hell would break loose if he didn't it.

To repeat mugiwara:

If Boehner was Newt, I wouldn't be worried, but look at the shitheads we've got leading the GOP in Congress right now and try to tell me with a straight face that they will lead the charge for repeal.

These dickheads will 'fix' it. Repeal and replace. Please do not forget these are the same dudes who's first bright idea in response to Obamacare (which they didn't fillibuster) was to repeal the mandate for personal coverage, but leave the mandate for covering existing conditions in!

I agree with you - if Congress presents him with a repeal bill to sign, he'll sign it.

But will Congress? Especially with him in charge, and his influence behind the scenes, we'll got a patch job that tries to fix socialized healthcare out of Congress.

97 Turn it around.  There were those saying Perry would implement the Dream Act nationwide.  Perry supporters said he wouldn't and they believe him.  Others don't believe him.  Same situation, different candidate

Not the same situation. 

The in state tuition rate charged by the state of a guy who is a well-established federalist has nothing to do with amnesty, which he opposes, or the need for the feds to secure the border, which he supports. 

98 Posted by: phoenixgirl at October 11, 2011 10:35 AM (eOXTH)

What a coincidence, we love Nolan Ryan in Texas.

I'm honestly not sure that Nolan couldn't run a campaign for Governor with just one commercial that aired only once a day: "I'm Nolan Ryan, and I'd like to be Governor." and win.

99 Posted by: Entropy at October 11, 2011 10:29 AM (IsLT6)

That has been my practice up till now.  Problem here is a got some reps that have reached the point where it's simply unacceptable if the Republican Party of Texas doesn't aid an effort to primary these guys.  For the first time in my life I'm willing to vote for the demoncrat to get the losers out of office.

100 Ihave endorsed Romney in the las t primary and I will endorse him again.

101 Problem here is a got some reps that have reached the point where it's simply unacceptable if the Republican Party of Texas doesn't aid an effort to primary these guys.

How does your local GOP feel about them?  Maybe you could run yourself (or recruit someone to run)?

102 Romney keeps touting himself as a businessman, not a politician.  Hasn't he pretty much been running for something most of his life?  He's spent the last 8 years running for president.  Before that he had a failed senate run against Kennedy - where he ran to the left of Kennedy in many respects.  Romney is the epitomy of a career politician, albeit a failed one for the most part.  I hope that trend continues in the primaries.  We cannot afford a lighter skinned Obama with good hair.

103

What a good-looking question.  I think it's nice we live in a country where people can ask questions like that.  Did I mention that anybody who opposes me is anti-Mormon?  Also, Rick Perry wants to put all the old people in America into a volcano and nuke it, like in my favorite novel.

If you put old people in a volcano and nuke them, old people will only become stronger.

104 Please remember that Romney's executive order gimmick will be precisely that: a gimmick. It will not stand. Executive orders can be overturned by the Supreme Court. Consider Truman and the situation with the steel mills. The Supremes overturned Truman's order because it was perceived as creating law, which is precisely what Romney's would do as well. The president is not a dictator, especially with an army of democrat lawyers to be certain Romney knows it. As soon as it is clear the Democrats will spend a mountain of lawyered treasure to prevent President Romney from blocking Obamacare, Romney will look at the politics and historical record and back down.

105 y not i wish you were at dinner with me on saturday.....my bil wanted me to revoke my conservative card because i defended perry on the instate tuition and his border position......he's for cain at the moment because....he likes pizza........

106 Thank you Ann. It is good to see the open-mindedness of leading conservative voices, and the tradition, started by Reagan, of Big Tent conservatism, as with your advocacy of GOProud and the cause of homosexual marriage in the military and mainstream America.

107

>>>Not logical because Romney is pro-amnesty and worse on border control than Perry.

 

I love this. People are harping on Perry for immigration yet they completely ignore that Romney is a newfound border warrior. He's essentially the same as McCain when he was running for re-election in 2010. McCain practically advocated invading mexico to get re-elected and now that he's a senator again does he still hold those views? No.

 

Romney isn't some immigration hawk, he's just playing one in the debates

108 We *heart* Ann Coulter as the kind of Republican much of that party needs to learn to emulate.

109 Well, this is as depressing as hell, so I think I'll take a break!

110 Ben @114, nails it.

111

87....Same situation, different candidate.

Nope. Not at all.

The big difference is that Perry has always been a miser and a fiscal conservative when it comes to Spending. Even when he was a Democrat in the state legislature.....he was known as a 'pit bull' on cutting spending. Better than Reagan ever was.

So for Perry to spend over 400 million of his state's money on securing the border....doing the Fed Govt's job that the Fed won't do.....then that is a strong record and a strong commitment to fight illegal immigration.

Show me what Mitt has ever done that comes anywhere close to that. ....Or any of the other candidates either. 

112 We have found Ann to be of great value to our cause.

113 And, thanks to Mittens, we'll get no push to reform Social Security either. 

Posted by: Y-not at October 11, 2011 10:34 AM (5H6zj)

That's 'cause the a-hole decided to make fealty to FDR's New Deal the litmus test for GOP Nomination acceptability, with his strident defense of the wonders of social security.

I feel myself coming down with something, and it's  making my whole outlook negative today.  I see the GOP utterly throwing away the opportunity to reinvigorate American conservatism, AND perhaps even the chance to oust Obama.  It's all over.  The-the-the-That's All, Folks!

 

114 Sometimes I don't even understand the arguments about candidates and what they stand for. Romney supports mandates as a way to govern. He supports the type of Healthcare that was instituted in Mass. For all practical purposes, Obamacare. It's done, he did it, he will do it again. Changing his title will not change him. Perry is sympathetic to the plight of illegals. He has shown such by not only giving them in state tuition, but by allowing them into the University system in the first place. He has done this, he has supported this, there is no argument. Changing his title will not change him either. To argue that either of these men will govern different from the way they have in the past is just plain stupid. Did Reagan Govern Ca differently than he did as Potus? Carter? Clinton? Bush (Either one)? Nope, they were all pretty much the same. History repeats itself, so do politicians.

115 Maybe you could run yourself (or recruit someone to run)?

Been there, done that.  The Texas unEthical Commission has made it clear that us little people are not welcome to participate in the process.

116 Minus the big hooter Meggy who contributed a great deal to daddy's faux conservative campaign. And Allahpundits porn collection.

117 Been there, done that.  The Texas unEthical Commission has made it clear that us little people are not welcome to participate in the process.

Bummer.  Where in TX?

118 Romney's immigration position isn't known to most of the people who will vote in the primaries.  What they "know" is that Perry wants to let all the Mexicans in, so Perry has an uphill climb to get conservative voters to accept him as a candidate, given his position.  Romney, on the other hand, seems to have lots of support from voters who more or less know what he did with Romneycare, and don't seem to mind.

119 I think Romney is just the candidate the party needs leading from the Oval Office, and the promises of leading conservative voices to "crawl over broken glass on hands and knees" to vote for the party nominee will effectively put him in the presidency in 2012 to the bridge the gaps between the parties and bring calmness and bipartisanship back to Washington so we can get on with doing the people's business.

120 What they "know" is that Perry wants to let all the Mexicans in, Burt TC at October 11, 2011 10:51 AM No he doesn't, WTF, he never said that or has shown any inclination to do so. There is plenty of truth, you don't have to make shit up.

121 Peel off the convenient Conservative veneer and you will find that Romney is a big government elitist. I am tired of the Damnocrats and the Rinos playing "good cop, bad cop" while they are spending us to oblivion. I want a real Conservative like Cain who will turn this economic death spiral around and restore what America was and is.

122 I do not understand why we can't get that SuperHighway/Corridor project started up again...

123

82 If Perry does well [or not], we will hear about it.

How much play did Perry's Value Voters speech get compared to Cain's? Most of the reporting vis a vis Perry at that thing was with regards to the preacher's comment, trying to tie Perry to that comment.

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There are a few sites which are trying to be fair to Perry.....a few. RedState, Brent Bozell's various sites are two of them. I think that Perry has been waiting on doing much of any Fox interviews until he does better in a debate or two.

So far, there are a few guys at Fox who seem to be sticking up for Perry....Steve Doocey on Fox&Friends in the mornings, Neil Cavuto, Eric Bolling, Stuart Varney on FoxBusiness, and Greg Gutfeld seems to like Perry too, surprisingly. 

124 I want a real Conservative like Cain who will turn this economic death spiral around and restore what America was and is.

Cite evidence, please.  Anyone can say anything- show me his bonafides showing that he will actually govern, effectively, as a conservative.

Don't get me wrong, I like what Cain is saying, and I agree with almost all of his positions (the 9-9-9 plan is dumb, though: you do not mix an income tax with a sales tax).  The problem is that I do not have confidence that he will be able to navigate the politics necessary to be effective.

That's why Newt (who, face it, does have a proven-if-flawed track record of success) is my #2 after Perry.

125 #@*& that nogood *&%$@!^ FOX Network!!

126 Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 11, 2011 10:58 AM (8y9MW)



I like Cain but there is no way in hell he can get his 999 plan implemented.

Will.Not.Happen.

Newt is also my second choice. I'd also like to see him as the VP pick, although I think Cain would make a good VP choice, too. (Except I think Perry has already crossed him off the short list.)

127 The worst part about Romney is he will absolutely KILL the down-ticket races because of the way he will kill any enthusiasm in the base.
Go back and look at the numbers of 2008, big part of McCain's loss and the losses of down-ticket was that conservatives did not turn out in the same numbers they had for 2004 and 2000--and that is directly laid at McCain's feet.
Can you imagine how badly the guy who lost to McCain, who has no use for conservatives is going to depress the conservative vote?

So, by all means keep supporting Huckabee Cain . . . .

128 I have maintained from the beginning that Romney's lead in the polls was based on name recognition. He has been running for President since late 2006. Most people in the general public have zero idea what his record in MA truly is, or even really what is stand on issue currently is based on his rhetoric. Normally you would expect the media and these debates to get that out there. NEITHER.HAVE

I predicted when Labor Day came Romney would start slipping in the polls. Indeed it looked like that was going to happen. Bachmann picked up and Romney started slipping. Indeed, if you look at our polls you find that Romney has never had much support among the base. The polls at HA are pretty much the same.

Perry then entered the race and blam, he killed Romney immediately. Then Bachmann committed suicide with the Gardacil thing and all her supporters went to Cain and some to Romney.

The key to ALL of this now will be for the base to NOT be fooled by BS from the MFM and Fox. Do NOT let them name our candidate with their steady state lies, innuendo, and slant.

129 That's why Newt (who, face it, does have a proven-if-flawed track record of success) is my #2 after Perry. I like Newt also. Cains 999 plan is smart for one reason. It resonates with the NON political junkies. We will take the time to pick it apart and find it's weeknesses. I doubt the other 95% of the electorate will. They certainly will disconnect from Romney's 1056 point plan.

130 Where in TX?

State Senate district 30, Craig Estes gets an F from Empower Texas. 

131 Fox is lying on there now that Romney is now being attacked by ALL the candidates.

AND they are bemoaning the Reagan 11th commandment.

Damn what some assholes.

132 @121  Exactly.  Unlike a mutual fund, a politician's past performance is a pretty damn good indicator of future performance.

As a "Palinista,"  I'm enjoying watching the contortions the supporters of the remaining official candidates put themselves through to excuse away weaknesses in their chosen candidate.

If you had really wanted a conservative with a 20 year track record of governing with broad public support, who didn't antagonize people with distracting social issues, and who improved the business/jobs climate, reduced spending significantly, and reformed government...you could have had her.

But no.  Someone with that actual, documented track record was too "polarizing" and "unserious" and "unelectable."

You anti-Palin folks made your bed.  Enjoy lying in it.

133 Oh, Rick Perry is also CRATERING in the polls the same as Bachmann.

134 From FoxNews, Sean Hannity, Heraman Cain responding to West & Belafonte:

"OK, let me respond to Professor West first. That's the difference between someone who has spent their life in academia and someone who has spent their life in the real world. I've been in the real world. He's been in academia.

So he's back on this symbolic stuff. As far as Harry Belafonte's comment, look, I left the Democrat plantation a long time ago. And all that they try to do when someone like me -- and I'm not the only black person out there that shares these conservative views -- the only tactic that they have to try and intimidate me and shut me up is to call me names, and this sort of thing. It just simply won't work."

135 I think Cain is just a poser using his race to advance in the primaries.

136 139, It's almost like we are being set up.

137 I couldn't stand it any more. Turned it off.

138 Chris Wallace at October 11, 2011 11:05 AM Go beat your wife, eat your soup and STFU, libtard.

139 I think Fox also recognizes that the true opposition to Romney is with Perry so they are going to relentlessly attack Perry while at the same time praising Cain AND Romney.

140 Its time to send Perry back home to Texas to work on his border situation

141 Hell the majority of posters here haven't a clue on how or why 'Romneycare' came to fruition or how it's as similar to Obamacare as a boat is to car. All they know is it's a rhetorical hammer to hit Romney with. By the way, Perry's ad would make Michael Moore proud with it's editing techniques.

142 141 Oh, Rick Perry is also CRATERING in the polls the same as Bachmann.

He has to step up his game, if he doesn't he won't be the nominee. Simple as that... no tears, no rending of garments. You want to be POTUS - show us you can be... otherwise there's the door.

143 I couldn't stand it any more. Turned it off.

Posted by: Vic at October 11, 2011 11:06 AM (M9Ie6)

I'm continually surprised you turn it ON.

You have enough to deal with; don't aggravate yourself.

I hope everything goes well tomorrow.

144

When people start asking Herman Cain about imposing a 9% Sales Tax on all those struggling families out there.....it will not be a good thing for him. ....There are already a few liberal headlines out there about that.

I'm still for Perry, because he is the most committed conservative in the whole lineup. ....He doesn't waiver from it, and takes it on the chin for it.

If by some miracle he manages to get the nomination.....I am hoping that he picks someone like Darrell Issa or Allen West as a running mate.

We need someone in the VP slot that can run for president later. The R's haven't done that in a long time, unfortunately.

 

145 ...hey make as money as you can. Some of us are still Capitalists!

You betcha!

146 I'm continually surprised you turn it ON.

I always turn it on to update while eating lunch.

147 Oh Sarahcuda, our bright hope of rescue in the McVain campaign, where have you gone? Come and save us in our time of trouble!

148 "Perry gets a second chance but given how things have gone for his thus far, he'll probably have a killer debate...and no one will see it." Debating is not the same as governing. Governing is a much wider, much bigger job, & governing is what we elect presidents to do. Let's be precise: we're talking one narrow style of debating - head-to-head. For almost a century, from before the Civil War until the rise of ubiquitous media in the 1950s, head-to-head debating was greatly marginalized, and the ability to succeed at it was close to completely irrelevant to who was elected president. Ike was not nearly as good a debater as Adlai Stevenson; Kennedy v. Nixon was a draw; Goldwater was the better debater, but Johnson neutered his advantage by turning conversation into an exercise of lobbing nuclear weapons across the cultural divide; Ford was a bit better, but both he & Carter were terrible at it; Reagan was a master, but that had little to do with why he was The Great Communicator or even why he won 2 elections; the elder Bush was a terrible debater, fortunate that Dukakis was worse, unfortunate that Clinton was better - but the latter contest may be the only time debating had any effect, & even then it was mostly "the economy, stupid"; the younger Bush was wooden, but met his sodden log in Gore, & Kerry was Sominex; Obama wasn't as good a debater as Hillary Clinton, & if he was better than McCain we sure didn't see it. Who is Mitt 2012? Mitt 2002 ran as a centrist & governed as a liberal. Mitt 2008 repudiated Mitt 02-06 & ran as centrist. Mitt 2012 repudiates Mitt 02-06, has edited out Mitt 2008, has tweaked his debate skills, & is running as a born-again conservative. Mitt is whatever seals the deal. How will Mitt 2012 govern? All we know about THAT is Mitt 02-06. Who is Perry 2012? Perry 2002 ran on the record of Perry 00-02. Perry 2006 ran on the record of Perry 00-06. Perry 2010 ran on the record of Perry 00-10. Perry 2012 is running on record of Perry 00-11. How will Perry 2012 govern? Like he has for almost 12 years.

149 Sorry, not going to happen! You all didn't want me, and let the communists savage me...work it out amongst yourselves and maybe we'll see about 2016.

150

#104 perhaps I used the wrong example.  The point was that for Perry supporters everything he does is accurate/unquestionable while practically anything another candidate does is a lie/wrong.  I understand that is how a candidate's followers act but it seems to be taken to another level with Perry.

Again, all the comments here that Romney will be weak on immigration, won't work to repeal Ocare, won't do this, won't do that, are your projections as an anti-Romney voter - doesn't mean that a voter who hasn't already discarded Romney won't agree with his arguments/positions

#136 Perry killed Romney immediately becuase it was all hype. Now that he has been examined a bit he has fallen considerably.  Kind of like the first round draft pick QB who enters to great hurrahs and then starts throwing pick-6s left and right.

Also - regarding the "the MSM are trying to pick Romney as the GOP candidate" - the increased attacks on Romney would suggest otherwise.  Also you'd think they would prefer to go up against Perry as he currently comes across like a slower, more religious version of W

151 And yet somehow Mittens is the most electable in some people's minds?

152 Hell the majority of posters here haven't a clue on how or why 'Romneycare' came to fruition or how it's as similar to Obamacare as a boat is to car. All they know is it's a rhetorical hammer to hit Romney with.

Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 11, 2011 11:08 AM (loxcN)

I was here when it was created and I'm living it.  It sucks and anybody with a brain could see what was going to happen when Mittens Aurelius uncorked the bottle.

153 156 Debating is not the same as governing. Governing is a much wider, much bigger job, & governing is what we elect presidents to do.

True, but the most infuriating thing about Bush (aside from all the spending) was his total inability/disinterest in communicating the conservative message and actually persuading people (like, oh say, independents).

This time around we need someone who is not afraid to offend the libtards--in other words, the anti-McCain.

154 159 And yet somehow Mittens is the most electable in some people's minds?

Yes, those people who believe the "I must compromise with the Socialists to win"  model of politics.

155

#149 - exactly.  It remnds me of the Dems shouting Halliburton at Cheney all the time with no context except they knew it had a negative connotation.  Also, saying Romney can't criticize O on Obamacare is simplistic because there are diffferences and O will be saying keep it place and Romney will be saying repreal it.  Mitt needs to explain these differences and being tested in the GOP primaries is an important step

And to your second point - yes.  Again Perry is doing the same thing as the other candidates (selecting qoutes, twisting positions/comments) but his supporters won't accept that.

156 So Bevel I take it you were not part of the over 60% who were in favor of it at the time? I take it you also know that MA without Romney would have implemented a single payor system. And exactly why does it suck for you? Be honest and not relay what you have heard how it has effected other people.

157 the increased attacks on Romney would suggest otherwise.

What increased attacks?  I haven't heard an attack on Romney- except from Perry- for months.

The point was that for Perry supporters everything he does is accurate/unquestionable while practically anything another candidate does is a lie/wrong.

And that is either wrong or a lie.  We readily admit his problems on the border, with Guardisil, and with the TTC.  We explain his actual positions on those, but we do not try to pretend they do not exist.  We then (rightly) point out a) More net new jobs than any other state since the recession/depression began and b) solid conservative (fiscal/social) values for which he has fought.  We then (again, rightly) point out the flaws in other candidates- flaws they then (rightly) attempt to explain (or explain away).

The problem is that Perry doesn't prevaricate or out-right lie about his record.  Even if he's stupid and calls people racist for disagreeing with him (please, Rick, don't do that again).

Romney supporters (just to pick a candidate), however, continually claim (even in this thread, and despite the evidence) that RomneyCare and ObamaCare are not similar at all: when everyone involved says that RomneyCare was the primary basis for ObamaCare.  They try to explain away his liberal governance by saying he had an extremely liberal legislature- while ignoring the fact that indicates he ran as someone liberal enough for voters who voted in that extremely liberal legislature to be comfortable with the thought of him as governor.

158 Hey! You Perry Punks, lay off my buddy, Mitt!

159 CATO: 
Although the state has reduced the number of residents without health insurance, 200,000 people remain uninsured. Moreover, the increase in the number of insured is primarily due to the state's generous subsidies, not the celebrated individual mandate; 
Health care costs continue to rise much faster than the national average. Since 2006, total state health care spending has increased by 28 percent. Insurance premiums have increased by 8–10 percent per year, nearly double the national average; 
New regulations and bureaucracy are limiting consumer choice and adding to health care costs; 
Program costs have skyrocketed. Despite tax increases, the program faces huge deficits. The state is considering caps on insurance premiums, cuts in reimbursements to providers, and even the possibility of a "global budget" on health care spending—with its attendant rationing; 
A shortage of providers, combined with increased demand, is increasing waiting times to see a physician.Heritage Foundation credits Romney with trying to set up an exchange system.  That didn't happen, however.  Too bad Mitt's ambitions were more important to him than staying in Massachusetts to see his great experiment through. 

160 Rick Perry = FAIL

161 They all suck... let's face it.

The question is, which one sucks slightly worse than the others so we can support him against the SCOAMF, who is the King of Suck.

162

#165 - Fair enough.  I probably painted too broad a brush - you and some others take the time to defend/analyze.  Then ther are others who simply dismissed Guardasil/TTC/Immigration/etc as media concoctions and lies.

"Everyone says Romneycare was the basis for Ocare" - yeah Dems who know this hurts Romney with the GOP.  Kind of like Perry's weak ass claim that Carter was endorsing Romney.  As #164 notes Romney was considered a success when first launched - reality has proved different - but he can defend himself in the general against O if given the opportunity.

"He's a liberal because he was governor of MA" is the flip side of "He's a conservative because he was governor of TX"  Looking at both records would indicate that these two statements aren't as absolute as they appear

 

163 I'm sorry, Rick, but I have to go with Mitt on this one, as he is WAY better on my pet issues, and Christie is still bust in New Jersey.

164 I'll crawl over broken glass on hands and knees to vote for whoever wins the nomination, though I prefer Mitt as the most electable...

165 So Bevel I take it you were not part of the over 60% who were in favor of it at the time? I take it you also know that MA without Romney would have implemented a single payor system.

60% of Massachusetts voted for Ted Kennedy every election.  About 50% of the state is on the dole.  It's funny though that Mitt wasn't going to get re-elected here.

I take it you also know that MA without Romney would have implemented a single payor system.

They still could at any moment.  Mitt couldn't stop them and this wouldn't.


And exactly why does it suck for you? Be honest and not relay what you have heard how it has effected other people.

Well, for starters, I need to prove to the state I have health insurance every year, which means I have to receive a form from my employer listing their health insurance information.  If I don't receive that form, I need to contact them.  If I change jobs multiple times, I need to list each employer.  My wife was employed at three companies one year, we needed the forms from all three companies.

The first year it was implemented I didn't receive the form, and spent weeks trying to get it or else I faced a fine.  All for the noble goal of the state making sure I'm getting insurance.

Costs have skyrocketed in MA and jobs have been lost.  It hasn't improved healthcare at all.

166 Yawn. Funny all this "breaks" on all the Perry fan boi sites. All with a misleading headline, not mentioning that these were middling "former" advisers from his administration. Mitt has had nothing to do with them for five years, and no governor controls everyone in his administration, especially after its over.

167 "Romney says he'll issue waivers, and when pressed, sheepishly says he'd sign a repeal. Problem is, that's gonna require some leadership" Lie. Its been front and center on his website from Day One. Romney will repeal ObamaCare. And he is the guy to do it. He can win. Is a superb executive. And can build a coalition of conservatives and moderates

168 Ace just opened a new flame war thread. Time to close this one.

169 And he is the guy to do it. He can win. Is a superb executive. And can build a coalition of conservatives and moderates

Posted by: Winning at October 11, 2011 12:00 PM (JuHsj)

Wow, it's like a time jump back to 2007.  All that's missing is the phrase, "true conservative."

170 128 What they "know" is that Perry wants to let all the Mexicans in,
Burt TC at October 11, 2011 10:51 AM

No he doesn't, WTF, he never said that or has shown any inclination to do so. There is plenty of truth, you don't have to make shit up.

With Perry it is rather difficult to know what he favors.

"President FoxÂ’s vision for an open border is a vision I embrace, as long as we demonstrate the will to address the obstacles to it. An open border means poverty has given way to opportunity, and MexicoÂ’s citizens do not feel compelled to cross the border to find that opportunity. It means we have addressed pollution concerns, made substantial progress in stopping the spread of disease, and rid our crossings of illicit drug smuggling activity. Clearly we have a long way to go in addressing those issues." - Rick Perry 08/21/2001

So until heaven is established on earth Perry is not in favor of an open border and hasn't been for at least 10 years. Why did he mention it up then? To pander to Mexico? To piss his audience off? I do not know but I am still witing for him to pander to me.

171 #126
Last night on The Factor, Ann Coulter said Rick Perry wants to give amnesty to 30 million illegals.  What a dried up anorexic skank.  Someone give her something to eat, please.  Rick is not for amnesty for illegals.  And how did we get the 30 million number?   Since Christie won't run, she's going to jump on the Mitt bandwagon.  She is not a conservative people.  She's just more conservative that Obama.

172 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

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