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September 05, 2011

Romney Proves Delusions Aren't Just For Democrats
— andy

You know, I'd have more respect for him if he'd repudiate his piece of crap healthcare law. But noooo, he ~~doubles~~ triples down on it.

Mitt Romney, trying to turn a political lemon into lemonade, predicted that his record of enacting a controversial Massachusetts health care law would be "one of my biggest assets" in a campaign debate against President Obama.

Right, Mitt. It's such a phenomenal success.

Oh, wait. It's not.

Five years after Gov. Mitt Romney signed MassachusettsÂ’ groundbreaking health care legislation, it has met its chief goal of extending insurance coverage to most residents Â— but with costs rising faster than inflation, lawmakers face the challenge of how to pay for it all.
Although the law has extended coverage, it has done little to fundamentally change the way consumers shop for health care, which analysts say is the only lasting solution to ballooning costs.

The current occupant of the White House has proven good at ignoring reality. I don't know why we'd want to continue this, given the problems we face.

Posted by: andy at 05:12 PM | Comments (77)
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1 sigh......he has such good hair

Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 05, 2011 05:13 PM (eOXTH)

2 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at September 05, 2011 05:14 PM (fyOgS)

3 ummm Mitt.. I have bad news dood. You won't be debating O5putt later next year.

Posted by: The Great Satan's Ghost at September 05, 2011 05:14 PM (08Pe8)

4 What is the technical definition of a union and can the Tea Party form one?

Posted by: elliot m at September 05, 2011 05:15 PM (zPich)

5 Mitt Romney, trying to turn a political lemon into lemonade, predicted that his record of enacting a controversial Massachusetts health care law would be "one of my biggest assets" in a campaign debate against President Obama. Because a personal healthcare insurance mandate is great for Massachusetts but would be a bad idea for the country? Mitt... time to change your Magic Underwear.

Posted by: CoolCzech at September 05, 2011 05:16 PM (niZvt)

6 You'd think one of his wives would be a good counsel and get him to face some facts about his "assets".

Posted by: Gran at September 05, 2011 05:17 PM (PxzSs)

I only got to see Romney and Paul today but I loved this style of debate. If it can even be called a debate. It's much better than the stupid game show style debates where candidates get 30 seconds to answer a question.

I really hope that this format catches on.

I agree with Andy's assessment about the healthcare, but otherwise I thought Mitt did fairly well today. He's a good speaking and can be very good at saying nothing but having it sound like something, which is an asset in a presidential race.

I'm still on the Perry bandwagon and am disappointed he didn't show up today, but I guess it was for a legitamite reason.

Posted by: Ben at September 05, 2011 05:17 PM (DKV43)

8 You wingbags wouldn't know a Presidential contender if his sack hit you in the face.

Posted by: Karl Rove at September 05, 2011 05:18 PM (EL+OC)

Has the White House/MBM/NY Times columnists gotten around to blaming Rick Perry for the Texas fires yet? You know they will.

Posted by: 141Driver at September 05, 2011 05:18 PM (DXa7u)

10
Semi on/Partially OT: Am I the only one wondering why the hell no one seems to be asking why the f*ck we want to take on these entitlements when it's crystal clear to look at Europe and see the consequences?

For the love of God, they're descending into madness there...Greece, Portugal, Spain, Italy, and both France and the UK not far behind. Meanwhile, the Germans are NOT happy about being left holding the bag.

Posted by: Wodeshed at September 05, 2011 05:18 PM (LEcV+)

11 Criminy. And there's more than a chance this guy will be the nominee.

I said I'd wear the cornbrero if I had, to beat the SCOAMF, but Mitt isn't making it easy.

Posted by: toby928© at September 05, 2011 05:18 PM (GTbGH)

12 Yeah during the thing today one of his last lines he said was about how Obama should have called him to know what worked and what didn't. So if he was being honest his answer would be "Don't do it!"

Posted by: buzzion at September 05, 2011 05:18 PM (GULKT)

13 Mitt Romney, trying to turn a political lemon into lemonade, predicted that his record of enacting a controversial Massachusetts health care law would be "one of my biggest assets" in a campaign debate against President Obama.

Kind of like how failure to pay his taxes was one of Timmy Geitner's biggest assets...

Posted by: holygoat at September 05, 2011 05:18 PM (2ptZ1)

14 MITTENS!!!!!!!!!
I for one welcome our new socialized medicine overlord

Posted by: chemjeff at September 05, 2011 05:20 PM (s7mIC)

15 We shouldn't be asking our candidates what they will do, but what they have undone. And we shouldn't ask them what they plan to do, but what they plan to undo.

Posted by: blaster at September 05, 2011 05:21 PM (Fw2Gg)

16 We shouldn't be asking our candidates what they will do, but what they have undone. And we shouldn't ask them what they plan to do, but what they plan to undo.

Whoa.

Posted by: toby928© at September 05, 2011 05:21 PM (GTbGH)

17 ObamaCare must be repealed and replaced with a free-market program.

Posted by: mrp at September 05, 2011 05:22 PM (HjPtV)

18
...but what they plan to undo.

Whoa.

Whoa indeed.

Posted by: Wodeshed at September 05, 2011 05:22 PM (LEcV+)

19 Well, he said that it would be his biggest asset, not that it was a great success. It certainly can be a negative example.

Posted by: blaster at September 05, 2011 05:22 PM (Fw2Gg)

20 15 We shouldn't be asking our candidates what they will do, but what they have undone. And we shouldn't ask them what they plan to do, but what they plan to undo.

You sir may turn in your GOP membership card.

Posted by: Karl Rove at September 05, 2011 05:23 PM (EL+OC)

21 Quick, somebody go leave a comment over a Salon telling them not to Google SCOAMF.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at September 05, 2011 05:23 PM (jx2j9)

22 Obamacare is free

Posted by: Obama at September 05, 2011 05:24 PM (ZUWaD)

23 15. Brilliant! I want to hear this - as word for word as possible - from an R candidate!

Posted by: BlackOrchid at September 05, 2011 05:24 PM (SB0V2)

24 Yes, Mittens has Oromneycare and his proven track record as a political outsider as his primary credentials. What could possibly be wrong with that.
Besides, it is his turn to be candidate (like Dole/McCain).

Posted by: Hrothgar at September 05, 2011 05:25 PM (i3+c5)

25 Ben, during this debate, did any of the candidates happen to mention that Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure?

Posted by: BlackOrchid at September 05, 2011 05:25 PM (SB0V2)

O/T--the Salon piece was incredibly hilarious. My favorite part was when the author was whining about if only Obama had listened to liberal luminaries like Paul Krugman instead of ignoring them...

Incidentally, the comments blew my mind. Sure, the viewpoints here are slanted (obviously in a manner I like, but I don't pretend that everything I read here is unvarnished reality), but they're just plain batsh*t crazy in a liberal echo-chamber--and they eat their own at the drop of a hat; at least here we subsist on a diet of trolls and hobos.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at September 05, 2011 05:26 PM (vNpDB)

27 Somewhere, President Perry is taking a break from fighting fires, thinking "why, that stuttering clusterfuck . . ." and having a giggle.

Posted by: Peaches at September 05, 2011 05:26 PM (/ybwc)

28
Yeah, he's like Dole, all right. It's just that he's a lot less humorous and charismatic.

Posted by: Wodeshed at September 05, 2011 05:26 PM (LEcV+)

29 First!! Crap, Mitt. We're not first.

Posted by: Gimmeafuckinbreak at September 05, 2011 05:28 PM (p+8if)

30 Romney keeps saying that he's not a professional politician when Obamneycare proves just the opposite. It's too damn bad he can't admit to having made a mistake. We don't need perfect, just a million times better than SCOAMF. An amoeba can almost do that.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at September 05, 2011 05:28 PM (jx2j9)

31 A great question for the "debate" group would have been "Can you give three examples of why Obama is a stuttering clusterf**k of a miserable failure?"

Posted by: Hrothgar at September 05, 2011 05:28 PM (i3+c5)

32 Yeah he sucks but I can't say I'm exactly thrilled with Perry's response on the border fence either. I hate that ladder crap. If they're pandering in the primaries, we're boned.

Posted by: jeannebodine at September 05, 2011 05:29 PM (nvlAW)

33 15 We shouldn't be asking our candidates what they will do, but what they have undone. And we shouldn't ask them what they plan to do, but what they plan to undo.
_______

So... you're saying the most important questions remain unasked?

Posted by: Unachronda at September 05, 2011 05:29 PM (6fER6)

34 well, the truth is:
if Romney is the nominee, then I will not only vote for Romney, but I will campaign and volunteer for him.
if Perry is the nominee, then I will not only vote for Perry, but I will campaign and volunteer for him.
because either Romney or Perry would be better than SCOAMF

Posted by: chemjeff at September 05, 2011 05:31 PM (s7mIC)

35 15 We shouldn't be asking our candidates what they will do, but what they have undone. And we shouldn't ask them what they plan to do, but what they plan to undo. "Ask not what you're country can undo for you, ask what you can undo for your country!"

Posted by: Gimmeafuckinbreak at September 05, 2011 05:32 PM (p+8if)

36 Posted by: jeannebodine at September 05, 2011 09:29 PM (nvlAW)
Sorry to disappoint you, but the race war has already begun, fanned in no small part by our current Presidunce. I doubt that any Republican candidate will have the cojones (see what I did there) to stand up and take a principled stand against illegal immigration for fear of upsetting our past, present, and future illegal immigrants.

Posted by: Hrothgar at September 05, 2011 05:32 PM (i3+c5)

37 Romney supporters counting on hold-outs ultimately backing their man:

Â“RomneyÂ’s been out working that fundraising crowd for years. Most people who are gonna be for Romney, pre-primary, have already signed up,Â” he continued. Â“I sense some people who have been sitting it out going to Perry, but how many of those outside Texas do that will help determine how successful he can be.Â”

Romney supporters are counting on that line of thinking being flawed. Their hope is that Republicans who have all but prayed for a different candidate than Romney Â— from Daniels to John Thune to Paul Ryan Â— will eventually reconcile themselves to the former Massachusetts governor as their safer general election bet.

The expectation, said one Romney fundraiser, is that Â“a lot of the money people, these pro-business money guys, will probably be more favorable to somebody like Mitt than they would be to somebody like Perry.

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 05, 2011 05:33 PM (o2lIv)

29 foot ladders for $7.50

FIRE SALE

Posted by: Pedro at September 05, 2011 05:33 PM (ZUWaD)

39 @34: I agree, chemjeff... but at least with Perry, I'd also have the feeling that I'm doing all that because I actually WANT Perry to be President. Romney is better than Obama. That's all I can really say about him.

Posted by: CoolCzech at September 05, 2011 05:33 PM (niZvt)

40 28 Yeah, he's like Dole, all right. It's just that he's a lot less humorous and charismatic. Posted by: Wodeshed at September 05, 2011 09:26 PM (LEcV+) Bob Dole reads this blog. And Bob Dole says, Fuck You!

Posted by: Bob Dole at September 05, 2011 05:34 PM (niZvt)

41 Romney is better than Obama. That's all I can really say about him.

Posted by: CoolCzech at September 05, 2011 09:33 PM (niZvt)

True enough, but that is weak tea indeed!

Posted by: Hrothgar at September 05, 2011 05:35 PM (i3+c5)

42 OT - Cliff Lee, ladies and gentlemen.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at September 05, 2011 05:35 PM (SB0V2)

Posted by: blaster at September 05, 2011 09:21 PM (Fw2Gg)

Whoa. Wanna be President?

Semi on/Partially OT: Am I the only one wondering why the hell no one seems to be asking why the f*ck we want to take on these entitlements when it's crystal clear to look at Europe and see the consequences?

Posted by: Wodeshed at September 05, 2011 09:18 PM (LEcV+)

No you're not.

If the Republicans start talking like they are actually going to do what needs to be done to avert us from fiscal catastrophe, you can kiss the election goodbye.

Even if they win everything, with the best, most conservative people out there, I doubt they have the political will to to decimate the spending and entitlements and face the rioting mobs.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 05, 2011 05:35 PM (GKQDR)

44 44 Resist we much! and much we much. Posted by: Rev Al at September 05, 2011 09:36 PM (qjUnn) Here, Al... much on this....

Posted by: CoolCzech at September 05, 2011 05:37 PM (niZvt)

45 Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 05, 2011 09:35 PM (GKQDR)

Unfortunately, I believe you are correct; however, the conclusion to be drawn from that is that, even with a conservative landslide in 2012, we might be able to stave off doom for a few more years, but probably not decades.

I weep for my children and grandchildren!

Posted by: Hrothgar at September 05, 2011 05:39 PM (i3+c5)

46 I just popped in to say I like the cut of Romney's jib.

Posted by: George W. Bush at September 05, 2011 05:40 PM (OnoD1)

47 I just popped in to say I like the cut of Romney's jib.

Posted by: George H.W. Bush at September 05, 2011 05:40 PM (OnoD1)

48 Miss Me, Yet??

Posted by: James Earl Carter at September 05, 2011 05:41 PM (niZvt)

49 I just popped in to say I like the cut of Romney's Jib.

Posted by: Karl Rove at September 05, 2011 05:41 PM (OnoD1)

50 "Although the law has extended coverage, it has done little to fundamentally change the way consumers shop for health care, which analysts say is the only lasting solution to ballooning costs."

I call BS on the analysts. If consumers shopped for coverage differently, would x-rays be cheaper? I thought the reason we're having this national debate about insurance is because no one can afford to get hurt or sick.

Posted by: Tee at September 05, 2011 05:42 PM (f5NJZ)

51 That Matt Stoller article in the amateur webzine Salon is a hoot. The problem turns out to be that Barry is not commie enough for the Democratic party.

Posted by: toby928© at September 05, 2011 05:42 PM (GTbGH)

52 I just popped in to say I like the cut of Romney's Jib.

Posted by: Dana Perino at September 05, 2011 05:42 PM (OnoD1)

53 Finally, I'm not at the top of the list!

Posted by: Franklin Pierce at September 05, 2011 05:42 PM (aD5Kx)

54 Yeah he sucks but I can't say I'm exactly thrilled with Perry's response on the border fence either. I hate that ladder crap. If they're pandering in the primaries, we're boned.

Posted by: jeannebodine at September 05, 2011 09:29 PM (nvlAW)

Perry's position on the border fence needs to be looked at in context of his position as Governor of Texas.

Our border with Mexico is a river. The Rio Grande.

Where that stupid fence has been built the government has violated the property rights of land owners across the state because it's been built two miles away from the Rio Grande and right through farms. The Border Fence at Texas, defending America from Texas farmers!

When the fence was proposed, they should have proposed it from California to New Mexico. You could have gotten one long fence in that case instead of randomly built sections. Texas has almost 1300 miles of river between us and Mexico to necessitates the need for a different approach to border security.

Posted by: Robert at September 05, 2011 05:42 PM (4q6A5)

55 I just popped in to say I like the cut of Romney's Jib.

Posted by: Laura Bush at September 05, 2011 05:42 PM (OnoD1)

56 I just popped in to say I like the cut of Romney's Jib.

Posted by: David Gergen at September 05, 2011 05:43 PM (OnoD1)

57 You Bush guys might have something there!

Posted by: Karl Rover at September 05, 2011 05:43 PM (i3+c5)

58 42 OT - Cliff Lee, ladies and gentlemen.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at September 05, 2011 09:35 PM (SB0V2)

Now that is a pitcher. Good for him, good for the Phillies.

Posted by: museisluse at September 05, 2011 05:43 PM (4Lj43)

Posted by: rdbrewer at September 05, 2011 05:44 PM (OnoD1)

60 well I guess I'm lucky in that Missouri's primary is on February 7 so I may actually have a say in the matter, rather than those poor saps in California (sorry guys!)

right now in my mind it is a tossup between Romney and Perry and it's based only on electability in my mind - whomever can best beat Obama

Posted by: chemjeff at September 05, 2011 05:45 PM (s7mIC)

61 Mitt's campaign reminds me of those guys in the original Star Trek Episodes. You know, the no name men in those red shirts that went on missions. One way missions.

Posted by: Dick Nixon at September 05, 2011 05:45 PM (cRmQd)

62 I weep for my children and grandchildren!

Posted by: Hrothgar at September 05, 2011 09:39 PM (i3+c5)

Me too. And in my case, my American aunts and uncles, cousins and their children. I was with all of them yesterday in Michigan. They're such great people. Fortunately, they're also heavily armed.

It's going to be bad everywhere. We can only prepare and be ready.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 05, 2011 05:46 PM (GKQDR)

63 There's nothing to fear from this Romney fella.

Posted by: John McCain at September 05, 2011 05:47 PM (EL+OC)

64 Posted by: John McCain at September 05, 2011 09:47 PM (EL+OC)

John, you are sooo right about that!

Posted by: Barry Ø at September 05, 2011 05:48 PM (i3+c5)

65 i'm telling you, when it comes to repealing ObamaCare, that has more to do with the Congress than the President. suppose we do have President Romney but a very conservative Congress, that sends the President a bill repealing ObamaCare. do you think for a moment that he wouldn't sign it? really?

Posted by: chemjeff at September 05, 2011 05:51 PM (s7mIC)

Maybe he can just come out next week and claim he was brainwashed.

That 's been used before by.......

http://tinyurl.com/ypntgl

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at September 05, 2011 06:04 PM (sJTmU)

67 i'm telling you, when it comes to repealing ObamaCare, that has more to do with the Congress than the President. suppose we do have President Romney but a very conservative Congress, that sends the President a bill repealing ObamaCare. do you think for a moment that he wouldn't sign it? really?

Posted by: chemjeff at September 05, 2011 09:51 PM (s7mIC)

No reason to ever settle, least of all now

Posted by: Oldcat at September 05, 2011 06:19 PM (CN+Qv)

68 Meh, the guy's in election mode. In office I suspect he'd do the classic businessman/politician audit of the situation and declare ObyCare (etc) unsustainable, as a part of a re-working of the federal finances. I think he'd do the job that needs to be done.

Posted by: Brett_McS at September 05, 2011 06:38 PM (iA6nz)

69 if Sarah doesn't run I'm staying home on primary day. Hate all you want, I detest the entire bunch of them.

Posted by: tangonine at September 05, 2011 07:59 PM (x3YFz)

70 nothing like being offered up a bunch of the same old shit 4 years later. Thanks GOP. Fkrs.

Posted by: tangonine at September 05, 2011 08:00 PM (x3YFz)

71 are they sure they don't wanna run McFail again?

Posted by: tangonine at September 05, 2011 08:07 PM (x3YFz)

72 320 million people in this country and the best we can come up with is Mittens and Perry?

FOR FUCK'S SAKE!

Posted by: tangonine at September 05, 2011 08:08 PM (x3YFz)

73
Nov. 17th 2012

[AP] In a bid to reach across the aisle after his narrow reelection victory and amid the continuing accusations of voting irregularities in Florida, Ohio and Virginia, President Obama has appointed former GOP primary contender Mitt Romney to be the nation's first "Administrator General" of the universal heath-care program commonly known as "Obamacare".

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 05, 2011 08:45 PM (EeYDk)

74 In office I suspect he'd do the classic businessman/politician audit of the situation and ~~declare ObyCare (etc) unsustainable,~~ kick the can down the road rather than be accused of murdering Granny. Good heavens. The Presidency is not a dictatorship. Congress has to undo this shit. They won't, given the political atmosphere and composition of Congress, even if the Senate becomes marginally Republican with a Republican White House. At any rate Mitt has his head deep in the sand. Obastardcare is here to stay, people. It was a mortal wound to the republic.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at September 05, 2011 08:55 PM (AZGON)

75 No, Obamacare was not a moral wound to the Republic. And it WILL be repealed. If Obamacare is going to turn out anything like Romneycare, it's model--and I already live under the latter system--it won't be all that hard to get 60 votes to repeal, because the cataclysm will be obvious from the MA example. Higher costs, fewer doctors, longer waits for doctor visits (to weeks or months in wait time), etc. So we can, what, cover a bunch of people who were already "covered" by simply going to the Emergency Room (which they STILL do, because they can't find a primary care physician to accept them)? It's a lose-lose-lose. Easy pitch to sell.

Posted by: Boston12GS at September 05, 2011 09:20 PM (hvrPG)

76 Romney should immediately announce a primary challenge to Obama.

Posted by: Boston12GS at September 05, 2011 09:27 PM (hvrPG)

77 In all fairness, the Mass-holes who elected him deserve what they got.

Posted by: sTevo at September 06, 2011 01:12 PM (VMcEw)

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