1 Romney...Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

2 So he's all about fiscal conservancy but he backs boondoggles?
Confucius say: Man who talk from both sides of mouth have forked tongue.

3 I supported Romney in '08, but will probably go with Pawlenty this time, because of the pizzaz factor.  Romney just doesn't have Pawlenty's white-hot charisma.

4 In the Constitution it says the President is the "CEO of the Collective Economy" but they wrote it different and hard to understand and stuff.

5 #2 Man with forked tongue has happy wife though.

6

Romney Care IS about the economy.

What is killing the US economy is a combination of high taxation, and too much Government control through Regulation... which is exactly what Romney care did to healthcare in his old State...

He still believes in Fed or State control of the economy... he just wants to be the one pulling the strings (like most of the other Repubs in Washinton).

7 I supported Romney in '08, but will probably go with Pawlenty this time, because of the PIZZAz factor. Romney just doesn't have Pawlenty's white-hot charisma. Posted by: pep at May 29, 2011 11:19 AM (6TB1Z) subtle, but I caught it.

8 I'm telling ya, it's gonna be Mittens.  Because (a) it's "his turn" and (b) he's richer than God.

9 So no bid for the social cons eh? No wonder there is talk of him bypassing SC. No matter, he would be lucky to get more than 1% here anyway.

He sure as hell ain't going to get me and it isn't because of "Mormon" and it isn't because of social issues.

10 Tonya from Venezuela for President!

11 Speaking of Romney, new thread up about him.

12 I likes me some big government involvement in the economy.

13 oops wrong thread

14 Does this topic and those below mean we're going to get a Weiner Waiver for new Weiner topics? Can we make AoS a Weiner free zone for a day?

15 Can we make AoS a Weiner free zone for a day?

No.

16 I love corn.

17 I've been part of the 'Sarah Palin is not really electable crowd', but if it comes in the primary to her and Romney, I'm going with her.

At least she has no place to go but up, I think he is the opposite. He has relatively high unfavorable ratings for someone who is still not known by about 20% of the public. I can't even imagine the Romney commercials in the general.

He is a paper tiger.

18 I'm even anal retentive about corn.

19 You know who this benefits?

20

Can we make AoS a Weiner free zone for a day?

 

 

Dude, I'm right here.

21 Please make it Weiner free. It is already a Weiner story that's gotten out of hand.

http://bit.ly/kRM8li

22 It is already a Weiner story that's gotten out of hand.

Weiner has got "out of his hand"?

23 And what is this "Obama took his eye off the ball." bullshit.
Hows about, "The administrations Wall Street ties and corrupt Fed operatives have robbed the taxpayers of trillions of dollars that will never be recovered and future generations will be working to repay as debt slaves in perpetuity."

Hows about, "The administrations internationalist cronies have so stacked the deck that they will own everything within a generation and there will be no more Land of the free."

What Romney is has nothing to do with his religion, he's a sellout and insider who would see you all destroyed as long as he get his chance to be a top tier elite.

24 15 Can we make AoS a Weiner free zone for a day?

Um, NO!  This is a critically important issue and must dominate the news cycle for a week, even at the cost of crowding out other news, no matter how embarrassing.

25 Can we make AoS a Weiner free zone for a day?

You mean like Huma?

26 Even I like dick jokes.

27 The ethanol subsidies stuff is incomprehensible. 

28 I think we should subsidize corn and give it tax breaks.  Because I'm not really a conservative.

29 Dig it! Paddy O'Bama is going to Rolling Thunder!

30 14 Does this topic and those below mean we're going to get a Weiner Waiver for new Weiner topics? Can we make AoS a Weiner free zone for a day?
Posted by: vanderleun at May 29, 2011 11:25 AM

If you want a No Weiner Zone, there are plenty of sites, particularly in the MBM that are strictly enforcing them.

Otherwise, buy yourself some bandwidth and build a blog

31 Okay, okay, I can see that no one here is willing to get a grip on the Weiner sludge that is overwhelming AoS. I'm going to write a strong letter to Ace telling him to take this issue firmly in hand and deal with it in a manly way.

For the life of me I don't understand how Romney and Weiner play can dominate the site when there are stories like

"Horse herpes outbreak forces rodeo queens to ride stick ponies"

out there just waiting to be told and reported on in depth by some reporter who is willing to be a stick pony for a rodeo queen.

The grisly details and video are at

http://bit.ly/jFlBF2

32 17: Yeah, I'm not a Palinista, but her vs Hunstman, Newt or Romney I vote SP. I don't know yet if it came to SP vs T-Paw or Perry, I have to study them vs the media dismissing T-Paw as boring and Perry as cowboy (or just ignoring him so far) I like Cain the best but I suspect he will not go real far. Cain has my early support but I'm planning to need a candidate B.

33 Romney cares about jobs. Romney cares about schools. Romney cares about children. Romney cares about nouns. These are all Real Things. How can you not care about Real Things?

34 Hey, Mitt Romney tweeted a pic of his HAIR to a woman in Utah who isn't his wife !!!11!!11!!!

Guys, call our people with Media Matters and MSNBC and get the zone flooded with this!

35 Romney Care!  The template for Obomination Care! (What the hell ailed Romney to sign off on something that basically turns anyone who doesn't have $2,000 to spend for health care into a felon?  I realize $2,000 is chump change to him and his cronies; they probably spend this much on an average lunch, including tip, of course), but acceding to this sort of nonsense disqualifies him from higher office than that of governor of Massachusetts.)

Weiner hacked?  Or Weiner whacked?

And yes, Andrea, Sarah was invited to Rolling Thunder.

36 Wein-ing !!!

37

Mitt at "on the issues"

They have him charted as a conservative and call him a "populist leaning conservative".  But when you look in the table at his actual record he is king RINO liberal.

I think they put too much emphasis on his speeches which are huge flip-flops from his actual record. There is no conservative to him at all.

38 And yes, Andrea, Sarah was invited to Rolling Thunder.

Posted by: Minnie Rodent at May 29, 2011 11:40 AM (S3rrR)

It sounds like Chris Wallace found this out post haste after receiving mega emails citing three different links that corrected the always-acidic Andrea Mitchell's breathless report. 

39 Mitt Romney cares about Hot Dogs and Apple Pie!

Mitt Romney cares about fluffy kittehs and puppehs!

Mitt RomneyCares!

40 Posted by: Diavolo Washington, AKA T.K. Carter at May 29, 2011 11:42 AM (QSFpP)

LOL, didn't do my Dr Detroit today.

41 Anthony's Weiner? Never head of it

42

 But Romney isn't running in the general election yet. He's supposed to be telling us why he's better than the other Republican candidates

Exactly.

Romney, the underdog, needs to tell us why he is superior to obvious front runner, Governor Buddy Roemer, who has been polling well ahead of the retread candidates, not to mention other popular Tea Party folks.

As for me, I haven't been convinced by Romney, and plan on vigorously supporting the best qualified, and biggest rock star in the race here in SC next year.

43
Mitt Romney is my choice for the republican nominee because of his support of ethanol, universal health care, and unbridled support of media.

44 I thought it was about a certain weiner?

45 Posted by: Public Service Message at May 29, 2011 11:49 AM (IhHdM)

I was under the impression that ethanol subsidies were really the mandates, not so much any deductions...

46 Ace is still bringing the funneh

@AceofSpadesHQ Ace of Spades @LukeStibbs my twitter handle plus @gmail.com... I don't like to write it out, because the hack3rz may see it and send pensises

47 I was under the impression that ethanol subsidies were really the mandates, not so much any deductions...

There was actually a 45 cents/gal tax credit for refineries/distillers in the Bush Tax Cut extension bill.

That is in addition to the damn mandates.

48 @45
Re ethanol subsidies (from IBD)

49 @Gabe,

I disagree that the field should beat each other up during the primary, and THEN go after Obama in the general. Their focus should be the abject failure of the Obama reign and how the Republican candidate -- any Republican candidate -- will do better. Take shts at the rest of the field over how they will fix everything, but Obama is the problem, and the Republican party is the solution.

50 Obama is the problem, and the Republican party is the solution.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at May 29, 2011 11:53 AM

Your actual results may vary.

51 As Mitt has said with regard to Romney-care, sorta...What the fifty states do is their damn business...We should be sooo fortunate to see fifty models from which the best could be used as templates for others to follow...This is the way the Federal system was meant to work...What we have been getting since Woodrow Wilson is top-down massive Federal intervention that never works for structural reasons like 536 idiots in Washington who mean to play god with our money...

52 Your actual results may vary.

Posted by: TV commercial disclaimer voiceover guy at May 29, 2011 11:57 AM (vdfwz)

Yeah, there is a lot of hoping and praying in those comments, but it's going to be the Republican party or nothing.

53 Press Release, N.Y. 9th Congressional District, Hon. Antony Weiner D.
RE: Weiner Waivers
Representative Anthony Weiner announced today that he has secured 1200 applications for a waiver to the new HealthCAre Act.
These waivers are exclusive to Congressman Weiner's office and can only be applied for Via his Facebook account.
The applications are available in the right hand column in the link "Weiner's Waivers"
Weiner Waivers will be available until June 15th or until demand exceeds supply.
Demand for Weiner Waivers is expected to be high so do not delay.

54 but Obama is the problem, and the Republican party is the solution.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at May 29, 2011 11:53 AM (LH6ir)

Ah yes, the vote me me because the other guy is worse Campaign...

 

55 I've landed a fish or two in my life and they flopped around on deck like crazy. None of them flip-flopped as well as Mittens, and certainly none of them had his awesome hair. Sorry, Mittens, ain't buying anything that you're selling.

56 Any guesses on how many issues Mitt flips on in the running of his latest campaign?  Last time, Mitt was like a windsock, realigning and reinventing himself whichever way the wind blew.

Not exactly a smart way to gain loyalty and support.

57

Yeah, there is a lot of hoping and praying in those comments, but it's going to be the Republican party or nothing.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at May 29, 2011 12:00 PM (LH6ir)

Hmmmm... I think I said that once...

58 @59
Did you read the IBD link I provided?

It doesn't cut air pollution. In fact, a study in Environmental Science & Technology concluded that ethanol can make the nation's smog problem worse and that its expanded use "may be a greater overall public health risk than gasoline."

It may add to greenhouse gas emissions: A study in Science a few years ago found that widespread use of ethanol "will probably exacerbate global warming" when everything involved in its production is taken into account

59

Gentlemen, start your engines!

60 I got one of his “exploratory” fund-raising letters a few days ago. It didn’t sound like he was focusing on the economy, it sounded like he was trying to turn this into a foreign-policy election. It spent several inches on Obama’s apologizing overseas; the only business experience he bragged about was as CEO of the Winter Olympic Games. The only specific policy change in the letter was “not apologizing”. There wasn’t any economic plan, whether a short-term discussion of the budget fight, or a longer-term discussion of the Ryan or Rand plans, or a plan of his own.

61

Ah yes, the vote me me because the other guy is worse Campaign...

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 29, 2011 12:04 PM (NtXW4)

I'm not happy about it either. And if you have a better idea I'm all ears.

62

Gentlemen, start your engines!

AHEM.

63 Headline,
....................Romney A Fake!
Hewitt's and RINOs hardest hit.

64

If you listened to Romney's health care speech, he thinks he has it figured out.

He thinks his health care position along with support for 'comprehensive immigration reform', and soon to be found moderate social issue positions can help him win the general with his economic argument.

He just knows that there is no way primary voters will let him get through with those positions after swinging so much back and forth in his political career and the 2008 primaries.

We'll see if he can make it eight months without having to defend all of this. I don't think he can, so that it why I'm more worried about the rest of the field right now.

 

65

Hmmmm... I think I said that once...

Posted by: Nathaniel Bedwetter, Chairman, Whig Party at May 29, 2011 12:08 PM (NtXW4)

Hey! Give me a realisitc option and I'm in. But third party politics doesn't cut this cycle, and that's not brilliant analysis, that's just obvious.

66

#69

For example, I completely expect Romney to walk back his abortion and gay marriage positions to federalism for abortion and civil unions.

67 Well I would not vote for SP in the primary under any circumstance even if it were her vs Mittens. (In the general -of course I would.) I agree that Mittens is doing this all wrong - Obama is actually making things worse, not just 'not trying hard enough'. He needs to emphasize that.

68 The Romney plan is to win early with 25% while the conservative vote is divided and the other establishment guys have no dough

69 I just cannot vote for aome one who supports burning our food over developing our oil fields.

70

MTBE (additive to gas promoted by Atlantic Richfield in the early 90's)- methy tert-Butyl Ether is not toxic in the ppb range.  It just makes the water smell and taste bad.  It is much more water soluble than the typical BTEX in gasoline, so it had a bigger plume underground when there was a leaky underground gasoline tank (like those were all supposed to be fixed, huh?), and easily got in to ground water and wells.  There was one well in California that actually had parts per thousand amount of MTBE in it.  That's a lot.

Ethanol is extremely water soluble (it's in Vodka!), but nobody is complaining about it polluting ground water.  It also has a lower BTU/caloric value than gasoline, and is debatable whether it costs more to produce than it is worth- consumes more energy to produce than it delivers. The subsidies/tax credts do help corn farmers get a better price and bigger market for their corn and have in some cases dropped the amount of farm subsidies/crop insurance in corn growing areas.

Some day, cellulosic ethanol (made from waste agri by-products) will be a reality, but not today or next week or next year.

71 I just cannot vote for some one who supports burning our food over developing our oil fields.

This. 

72

Why would Romney even need to strike such a hard a definitive position for ethanol when he isn't even sure if he is going to seriously campaign in Iowa?

It just seems at times that he can't help but pander.

73

Yeah, there is a lot of hoping and praying in those comments, but it's going to be the Republican party or nothing.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative)

 

"Nothing" sounds like the abyss we are about to plunge into.

74

"Nothing" sounds like the abyss we are about to plunge into.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes... at May 29, 2011 12:24 PM (sJTmU)

No arguments from me. But what is your solution? I don't have one, and I am not being a smart-ass here.

75 Mittens has another out-of-the-box idea for his 2012 presidential campaign.  It's called a "web site." 

76 I just cannot vote for some one who supports burning our food over developing our oil fields.

Posted by: Steve In Tulsa

Yeah, the logic of the price supports for ethanol over oil development in the lower 48 and Alaska eludes me, too. Bubba Clinton had the opportunity in the early 90's to set the priorities for either Ethanol (made from biological product, like corn, that ADM supported) or Methanol (made from coal, that Dupont and others supported). Note - Dupont has a process to make methanol from coal, and then octane (gasoline) from methanol.

He chose Ethanol, supposedly because ADM came across with bribes/contributions to the DNC faster than the Methanol guys. And that is why we are where we are. Ain't that a stinker of a reason? 

77  I can't believe that anything in the world would burn cleaner then 100% ethanol. The first internal combustion vehicles ran on it.

Posted by: Public Service Message at May 29, 2011 12:18 PM (IhHdM)

And yet... we used Oil based products for transportation all those years, with ethanol not even being widely available..

Could there have been good economic reasons for that?

What next? Go back to Wood fueled Steam Locomotives for our Trains?  After all, they came first too!

78 Whoa.  Drudge Palin link.  Leather.

79 I am so excited that Preasdent Obama is going to Jolliene, MO today to help the people devastated from the Tornadoe's unlike Bush and that Hurricane thing in New Orleans. Once again Presdaent Obama shows leadershit and Bush was too busy smoking cigars and talking to his oil buddies. We deffinetly need four more years of Presadent Obama...Let's get behind him peopel !!!!

80

I just cannot vote for aome one who supports burning our food over developing our oil fields.

 

Isn't corn a crappy source of nutrition?

Isn't most of it just processed for sugar or fed to stock?

 

81 #82

I've heard about those things. Is it like a Twitter? My grandson made me a Facepage last week.

82 Romney Wants to Take Your Tax Dollars and Give Them to People in the Corn Business

83

If elected presdent I will devote all of my time and energy into realizing the dream of converting dicpics into a clean, renewable source of energy.

84 I have four issues which are hot button deal breakers for me:

1. Gun Control
2. AGW scam
3. Socialized healthcare
4. Amnesty/open borders

Romney fails on all four of those.

85

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes... at May 29, 2011 12:29 PM (sJTmU)

My favorite plan is to use Nuclear and Hydro for Electricity... Compressed Natural Gas for cars (cleaner and America has LOTS of Natural Gas, and the technology is ready to go). and use oil based products for Ships and Planes...

With estimates of HALF of the Corn grown in America going to ethanol production, and with the Historic evidence that higher food prices lead to Revolutions in the world.... how can we say we are out to either help the poor, or stabilize world peace?

86 Ace of Spades:  All Weiners All the Time

87 Witness the Ace of Spades Full Court Weiner Press

88

Isn't corn a crappy source of nutrition?

Isn't most of it just processed for sugar or fed to stock?

Posted by: garrett at May 29, 2011 12:31 PM (kjI0h)

Key is that there is only so much Farm Land, and so much Water to use on that land...

So, if you are using that land, and water, to grow Corn for Ethanol, it is not being used for OTHER food products.

89

No arguments from me. But what is your solution? I don't have one, and I am not being a smart-ass here.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative)

I agree, and I was trying to be just a bit of smartass.

 I mostly worry about my kid's future. I will probably never be able to retire, I'll just work 'till I drop or get too old and sick.  But  I wish they were going to live in a country that didn't embrace the corporatist fascism and statist vulgarity that is being championed by Obumbles and his lackeys in the Imbecilic Media and Asshole Academia.

There's no one out there that will take a strong stand against Obama that is electable. Romney is definitely electable, but is a political schmuck. He is "statist lite".

90 Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes... at May 29, 2011 12:29 PM (sJTmUP)

Methanol has it's own set of significant problems too. It is corrosive and requires retrofitted fuel systems.

91 Are there any Romney guys here who'd like to explain the ethanol thing?

92 OT: um who the fuck cares right now? WeinerGate should be the non-stop talked about story right now, I heard HotAir isn't covering this at all - if that's true i'm gonna flip out, it'll remind me why I blocked the site once again.

93 84: Well we are also going back to windmills. That only makes sense if there is a true shortage of fuel for power plants since the windmills don't run all the time so the conventional fuel power plants still have to be built, just might not need to run 24/7. Lets see, last time there was a true shortage of fuel was what? well over a 100 years ago except in some remote pockets in the U.S?

94 (SMOG) Yes. I'd like to see the science behind that because I have trouble believing that assertion. I can't believe that anything in the world would burn cleaner then 100% ethanol. The first internal combustion vehicles ran on it. Posted by: Public Service Message at May 29, 2011 12:18 PM (IhHdM) Umm. Do you actually know anything about combustion? Your last two sentences are an almost perfect example of non sequitur. Further, early IC engines ran on benzine, coal dust, various alcohols, wood gas, water gas, producer gas, petroleum distillates, & cetera, & very few of those are particularly "clean burning". The primary "clean burning" aspect of alcohol is that it's inherently Sulphur-free. This fails to take into account that you have to burn twice as much alcohol to produce the same energy as octane, thus producing more soot, CO, & NOx.

95 MBT(?) which made a hot line for the water supply of people with wells and was toxic in the PPB range.

Posted by: Public Service Message at May 29, 2011 12:05 PM (IhHdM)

MTBE.  Methyl-tert-butyl-ether.  I was one of the gummint workers who oversaw cleanups.  The MTBE wasn't the problem, it was the underground storage tanks (UST).  Every single UST is going to leak eventually.  That's the problem.  Last I heard, MTBE wasn't as harmful as first thought.

96

So, if you are using that land, and water, to grow Corn for Ethanol, it is not being used for OTHER food products.

 

Yes.  But the argument needs to reflect this, imho. 

I agree that we need to be growing less of the shit.  I agree that trying to make fuel out of the stuff is a waste of time and money. 

 I just can't stand the 'Stop Burning Food' argument.  It is lacking.

97

My favorite plan is to use Nuclear and Hydro for Electricity... Compressed Natural Gas for cars (cleaner and America has LOTS of Natural Gas, and the technology is ready to go). and use oil based products for Ships and Planes...

Posted by: Romeo13

CPG (Compressed Propane gas) is used/mandated for use by taxis in Beijing because the air pollution there is so bad.

Yeah, CNG would be a great clean auto or fleet fuel (for trucks, buses, etc) because it burns so clean.  More nuclear with new technology reactors would solve a lot of electricity generation problems.

Ain't gonna happen.  The NIMBY's, Greenists and the general public attitude that has been created by the Luddites precludes the obvious, logical answers to problems.  We can't even use Yucca Mountain for the purpose that it was built even though it was the studied and promised solution.

98 The inevitable strategy worked so well for Hillary.

99 If vanderleun is still here, Maybe he could run an old overcoat over to that poor girl. They say it's still nipply in Seattle, and she could use a few more clothes

100 OT WEBMASTER FYI: Twice in the last three days AoS has been loading as normal when some "anti-spyware" site takes over the same tab - complete with pop up - and begins to auto-download some crap. Happens only on AoS. Being a Mac 'R' Us Kid, I am unfamiliar with this phenom. WTF?!?, over.

101 99 Are there any Romney guys here who'd like to explain the ethanol thing?

He backed ethanol subsidies in '08, so can't repudiate them now.  Another flip-flop. 

102 Methanol has it's own set of significant problems too. It is corrosive and requires retrofitted fuel systems.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative)

 

NIMBY! RINO! 

Just kidding. 

 Everything has problems, but the point would be to produce methanol in the short run as a fuel additive and build up the infrastructure to catalytically convert methonal to gasoline.  It could be done, and at $4/gallon for regular gas, would do better than break even, I'm sure.

But those sweet agri-state electoral votes are might tempting.

103 RomneyCare will come up. As will Romney's occasional lapses with respect to socially conservative ideals. As will his unwavering support for ethanol subsidies a.k.a. federal price interventions. Romney can pretend that his position on these issues isn't going to motivate opposition from many GOP primary voters, but I bet he doesn't for very long. You know who this benefits? America.

104

But the things you mentioned (sugar and animal feed) are still food and go to produce food, unlike burning it in an engine.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at May 29, 2011 12:43 PM (G/MYk)

Yup.  One big reason why meat is more expensive.  And everything with corn syrup.  And chips.  Corn is a big ol' food source.

105 "I LIKE CORN":  Mitt Romney

106 >>I have four issues which are hot button deal breakers for me:
1. Gun Control
2. AGW scam
3. Socialized healthcare
4. Amnesty/open borders
Romney fails on all four of those.
Posted by: Vic at May 29, 2011 12:32 PM (M9Ie6)

I might be inclined to go 4,3,1,2 only because they'll have no chance at taking our guns even with legislation, we'll just all be outlaws. Otherwise I'd agree that he flunks those 4, and I say that as a former Ma resident during Romneyrama.

107 >>Are there any Romney guys here who'd like to explain the ethanol thing? Not really a Romney guy this time around, having a hard time getting enthusiastic about any of them, but I'm guessing he is for them for the same reason he was in 2008. He said then that he believed investing in forms of renewable energy should be part of any national energy plan. Interestingly, Fred Thompson, the hero of the rightosphere last time and the guy who came in dead last, voted against ethanol subsidies when he was in the Senate but came out for them during his ever so brief presidential run. Fred flip flopped and Pawlenty flip flopped but Romney didn't.

108 err I quit i'm sorry folks I just want WeinerGate stuff, I can't believe Drudge doesn't have it up

109 If it doesn't have corn, it doesn't have soul.

110 Romney's ethanol thing is him covering his ass in case TPaw loses that primary. He figures he has sloppy seconds, since boring white guys rule the world.

111 If it's not about corn, I don't want to hear about it.

112 Can someone grab me some cornbread and a side of corn?  And how about one of those corn syrup beverages?

113 My prediction: Michelle Bachmann pulls off an Iowa upset, because the media is spoiling for a Bachmann v. Palin catfight.

114 When released into the water, this material is expected to have a half-life between 1 and 10 days

WTF? The guvmint spent millions on cleaning up something that would be gone in a month?

Posted by: Public Service Message at May 29, 2011 12:50 PM (IhHdM)

Damn.  I didn't know that.  In fact, now that I think about it, I don't believe it.  I worked in the field in 1995-1997, and it was a pretty big deal, because when gas leaks underground, it settles on the water table and starts spreading.  And the MTBE apparently spreads faster than any other consitituent.  If the half-life was that short, we wouldn't have been able to detect it across huge areas over many years.  So I can't believe that, but I still have a vague memory of it not being too harmful.  Compared to the other stuff in gas, anyway.

115 I'm as skeptical of Pawlenty as anyone, but this interview was very solid, he destroyed and disarmed Amanpour and took it to Obama.

Not saying he's on my list of "in a perfect world" candidates, but he seems like someone that could beat Obama. He would be one of the harder candidates to Alinsky.

116 "John and I will adopt the all-of-the-above approach to meet America's great energy challenges," she told the crowd in Des Moines. "Yes... That means harnessing alternative energy sources, like the wind and the solar and the biomass and the geothermal -- and the ethanol!" Sarah Palin 2008

117 I'm as skeptical of Pawlenty as anyone, but this interview was very solid, he destroyed and disarmed Amanpour and took it to Obama.

What does this have to do with corn?

118 Ethanol subsidies really aren't on the top of my issue list right now, but it does still say something about the candidate.

I'm more worried about Romney on health care. I still don't think the waiver thing makes any sense. Is he just going to issue a waiver that lets states do whatever they want? I doubt it.

He'll probably give waivers saying you have to jump through the following hoops (provide universal or near universal coverage, don't burden hospitals with unpaid care, etc.), and then say they can do what they want to meet those goals.

The only effect of that would be legitimizing states that wanted to be more liberal than ObamaCare currently allows.

119 This just in:  Mitt Romney came out in support of President Obama's gutsy call to kill Osama.

120 As Mitt has said with regard to Romney-care, sorta...What the fifty states do is their damn business...We should be sooo fortunate to see fifty models from which the best could be used as templates for others to follow...This is the way the Federal system was meant to work...

What do you know, prole?

121

But the things you mentioned (sugar and animal feed) are still food and go to produce food, unlike burning it in an engine.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at May 29, 2011 12:43 PM (G/MYk)

 

Certainly. I just think it reduces the argument to phrase it as such. 

To me it is becoming the 'Drill, Baby, Drill' of the Ethanol debate... I fear the opposition isn't touched by it. 

122 When released into the soil, this material is not expected to biodegrade. When released into the air, this material is expected to adversely affect the ozone layer. When released into the soil, this material is expected to quickly evaporate. When released to water, this material is expected to quickly evaporate. When released into the water, this material is expected to have a half-life between 1 and 10 days.

Can't make heads or tails of this.  But I'll guess that it actually resides in the soil, where it doesn't biodegrade.  It doesn't mix with water, it floats on top of it, so you might have to do some mechanical mixing to get it to biodegrade in water.

Hell, I don't even know what "half-life" means in this context.  It ain't radioactive.

123 Wait, so some people really believe Mitt Romney is going to repeal every provision of ObamaCare by executive order through waivers?

That isn't even possible. At best he could allow exemptions for states that meet the same goals with different means.

124

Isn't corn a crappy source of nutrition?

Isn't most of it just processed for sugar or fed to stock?

Posted by: garrett

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Corn looks pretty nutritious to me.  And, as you point out, it's important as feed for the animals we eat. 

I don't see the justification for continuing to supplement an industry that hasn't yielded the benefits that were touted back in the day. 

Someone up thread was saying s/he's pro-business.  I'm pro-business... but by that I mean establishing a business climate that enables competition so the businesses succeed based on their innovation and efficiency.  'Seems to me that these subsidies are just propping up one industry over a much more effective one. 

125 Romney supports mandates, and it is clear he also supports at least strong regulations on denying insurance based on pre-existing conditions. When you add in any subsidy support to this mix which there has to be in order to make mandates viable, there are no fundamental differences between his health care system and ObamaCare.

126

Certainly. I just think it reduces the argument to phrase it as such. 

To me it is becoming the 'Drill, Baby, Drill' of the Ethanol debate... I fear the opposition isn't touched by it. 

Posted by: garrett at May 29, 2011 12:59 PM (kjI0h)

That's no higher than third on the list of arguments anyway, I think.  First would be that it takes more energy to produce than you get out.  And that deserves a fucking eleventy!!11!  Second would be that it's worse for global warming than fossil fuels, once you get done counting the farmland and the processing.

No, fourth.  Because third is that it's fucking retarded.

127 Lets see, last time there was a true shortage of fuel was what? well over a 100 years ago except in some remote pockets in the U.S?

Posted by: PaleRider at May 29, 2011 12:37 PM (5CusZ)

Hmmm... Gas lines in the 70s don't count?  Remember when we could only buy gas on alternate days?

128 Paper, I like the cut of your jib. Newspaper. Subscription.

129 Conservatives don't get elected to statewide office in Massachusetts.

130 Is he going to roll out his campaign thunderously?

131 Is there a way to compare MSM new stories about dude in NY-26 (?) and the Weiner story?

Like a google screen grab of the day the fb scandal broke and yesterday (hell, even today) about Weiner's weiner? (ala news articles)

132

Hmmm... Gas lines in the 70s don't count?  Remember when we could only buy gas on alternate days?

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 29, 2011 01:04 PM (NtXW4)

Wasn't that a government-caused shortage?  Price controls?

133 Though I think that Palin won't get in if Bachmann seems to be getting some traction. Bachmann/Bolton 2012 Posted by: progressoverpeace at May 29, 2011 12:56 PM (G/MYk) I don't think Palin wants to get in, anyway. She said she would stay out, if she likes another candidate. Except I see her keeping her FOX gig and betting on Perry. She hasn't laid the groundwork for a run.

134 Ooh, I LOVE this headline:

Obama going to Mo. to offer help in healing
//////!

135

No, fourth.  Because third is that it's fucking retarded.

 

I completely agree. 

 I just wish there was a better way to phrase the argument.

136 feral government

Posted by: progressoverpeace at May 29, 2011 01:06 PM (G/MYk)

Dude.  I'm stealing the shit out of that.

137 Before any moron says BUS TOUR, that's no different from the movie and the reality show.

138 I suppose its small potatoes but what I really dislike is the compostable tableware made from corn and potato starch. My "we have to be oh so green" workplace has these in the cafeteria instead of having enough washable glasses and silverware. Special events I give a pass on vs using plasticware but the daily use bugs me even in an arid state where water use actually matters some.

139 @Vic,
I'm not pimping for Romney (and things like this ethanol subsidy crap make it harder and harder to envision voting for the guy in the primary), but I think Romney is not really a pro-amnesty guy.
This comparison of Huntsman and Romney seems to provide hard source links on both of them.  Huntsman is the amnesty guy. 

140 This is awesome.

President Obama to Tour Tornado-Ravaged Joplin, Missouri


Check out 1:03.  'They are so busy rebuilding that no one is talking about the President's visit'

Ha ha ha ha ha!!!! No shit? Really?  There isn't excitement over the {res. coming to town a week later?  They really aren't dipping their balls and milk makers in pudding waiting for the ONE?

141 Paper: Right --power plants run on gas and fuel oil. Try again.

142 Maybe Sarah is hoping to be Perry's VP?

143

Wasn't that a government-caused shortage?  Price controls?

Posted by: FUBAR at May 29, 2011 01:09 PM (1fanL)

There were two shortages, one was caused by a combination of price controls and an embargo by Saudi Arabia and the second was caused by an embargo I think. I can't remember though.

Ethanol isn't going away as the ethanol mandates are put in place by the states not the feds. If we quit subsidizing it we will pay for it at the pump. Either way we will pay for it.

I don't like any subsidies, if we are going to get rid of one let's get rid of all of them. Unfortunately even if we did get rid of all of them that isn't going to fix our problem.

144 I'm rarely shocked, but I'm shocked that there are people who don't see the utter criminal stupidity of ethanol subsidies.

145 I was royally flamed in a previous thread for saying i won't vote for Mitt (or Newt or Rudy) in the general election.  Even Ace stopped reading Megs McCain's tweets long enough to torch me for mentioning SP. 

Here's the deal for me...I'm through being an enabler for the R establishment and their non-conservative "conservatives".  Want me to vote, contribute, etc?  Then stop lounging on the couch with Gran Nan, stop signing and then defending an obviously socialistic government intrustion into health care (even at the state level).  And stop seeing government as an answer to problems best left to individuals and the free market. 


And btw, this excuse Mitt trots out that "states are the laboratory of democracy", might be applicable if the experiment didn't expand the power of the state government over its citizens exponentially.  Mitt see government as a solution, not a problem for nearly every situation. 

And for those who may say, "you're willing to have Obama for 4 more years over Romney?"  I answer with this...If Mitt wins the nomination, I hope he is BLUDGEONED endlessly by the MFM and Obama over Romneycare and how similar it is to Obamacare. 

Maybe then, the fng R establishment will see we can't win by being demo-light.  Driving into the abyss in 4th gear as opposed to 6th, still gets us to the same destination. 

146 Romney has been in favor of comprehensive immigration reform for his entire political career except between about late 2006 - early 2008.

147 >>There were two shortages, one was caused by a combination of price controls and an embargo by Saudi Arabia and the second was caused by an embargo I think. I can't remember though. It was caused mainly by an oil embargo by OPEC as payback for us giving weapons to Israel.

148 Hell, I don't even know what "half-life" means in this context. It ain't radioactive.

Posted by: FUBAR at May 29, 2011 01:01 PM (1fanL)

Half life is just a term for how long something lasts. You say how long it takes to reduce the total by half. With nuclei, this happens by decay. With dougnuts in the office, its from your greedy-ass coworkers.

149 but Bachmann (with a real chance to win the nom) would settle Palin's mind on that, I think. Quite the contrary. Palin has become establishment as the first VP candidate for her party and a political juggernaut. If Bachmann runs for POTUS and gains enough support to win or become top dog (long shot), Palin becomes irrelevant. Palin's surrogates (Tammy Bruce called her Eve Harrington, and Mega Mac called her a "poor man's Palin") are going after Bachmann. So are TPaw's fan's (Drew M. "Bachmann? Really?") The MSM is loving this.

150

Corn looks pretty nutritious to me.  And, as you point out, it's important as feed for the animals we eat. 

Thanks for that link...that is the opposite of what I recall being taught about the nutritional value of Corn. 

 Admittedly, I only took one 'Nutrition' course at the University of Arizona...if you were to believe the source material therein, Corn was basically a worthless crop (as human food).

151 "Win or become VP" ... Freudian slip?

152 I'm not pimping for Romney (and things like this ethanol subsidy crap make it harder and harder to envision voting for the guy in the primary), but I think Romney is not really a pro-amnesty guy.

According to that site I linked he was in favor of that bogus 2005 comprehensive immigration bill. That may be wrong but that is what they say. I noted that they has some stuff about Palin that was not correct so they may be wrong on him too.

Note that they rated Palin further to the left than Romney so I am not sure what kind of game they are playing. 

But even if they are wrong he stills fails 3 out of 4.

153 @ THE HAMMER Mitt's laboratory states are the equivalent of Perry's Texas seceding.

154 i could be wrong here but didnt the indians teach the pilgrams to grow corn and thats what kelpt them alive in the first few years they were here......

155 BTW, Huntsman is a Democrat with an R after his name.

156 I like ethanol subsidies!
I like the economy!
I like RomneyCare!

157 164 Romney has been in favor of comprehensive immigration reform for his entire political career except between about late 2006 - early 2008

What are your sources?

The source I linked cited a veto threat on drivers licenses for illegals (in 2004; the bill never got to his desk) and an actual veto of in-state tuition for illegals while he was governor.  Two years later, he threatened to veto another attempt at in-state tuition for illegals so the bill went nowhere. 

I'm not pimping for Romney, but it would be helpful to have data to support assertions about him being pro-amnesty. 

158 Vic,
I'll go look at your link.  I missed it.

Well, dudes/ettes, I gotta do some packing.  Have a good one!

159 Nice pick of video for the thread on the front page. "A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Campaigning. Always be campaigning, always be campaigning."

160 Obama going to Missouri a week after the tornado happened is being heralded  as a major achievement by the same press who claimed Chris Christie should have cut his Disneyworld trip short because of a snowstorm.

161

Posted by: chillin the most at May 29, 2011 01:31 PM (6IV8T)

if Bush would have done it...

i'm surprised he's going into a state that voted against him in 08 (and will prob do so again in 2012)

 

162 Ace Dogged By Weiner Toppings

163 President Obama to Tour Toast Tornado-Ravaged Joplin, Missouri He will speak over the music of Sawzalls and demolition hammers.

164 Macondo well blew and the feral government caused the worst spill ever with its epic mismanagement and intentional attempts to stop anyone else from containing and cleaning the mess.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at May 29, 2011 01:06 PM (G/MYk)

Yeah, I'm waiting for this to play out in court...

Background.... US Navy Retired, which means trained every stinkin duty day in how to fight fires aboard ships...

Putting water on an oil or gas fire is that absolute last thing you do, as it does nothing more than spread the fire... you use AFFF FOAM to fight fuel fires...

Sooo... they used WATER to fight the fire on the oil rig... which eventualy flooded one of the chambers keeping the Rig Afloat, which caused it to sink, which twisted and sheared the cable... which caused it to be unfixable.

Now, by Federal law, once on scene, the Federal Government is in charge of all at Sea Fire Fighting.... ergo, it was THEIR decision to use water to fight a Fuel Fire... which sunk the rig.

Our own Government was at least 1/2 the problem in that disaster...

165 104 Are there any Romney guys here who'd like to explain the ethanol thing?

Posted by: FUBAR at May 29, 2011 12:36 PM (1fanL)

I would guess that it's related to some of the fonder recovered memories Romney has about the Pacer.  Ethanol and the Pacer are two of a kind ... though ethanol could be more of a purple Gremlin.



Hey, I have a purple gremlin...wanna see some pix?

166 BTW, Huntsman is a Democrat with an R after his name. Posted by: Vic at May 29, 2011 01:25 PM (M9Ie6) Because Democrats support pro-life legislation, the Second Amendment, free markets and low taxes, you fucking idiot.

167 Missouri has a dem gov, so Obama thinks it is worth a shot in 2012.  Of course, since FEMA is now saying they don't have the money to help everybody, and Obama is pledging billions in foreign aid, I doubt if he will get many Missouri votes.

168 Corn is risky business for farmers. There's better ethanol producing crops but I guess they won't be introduced until those producers get some sort of subsidy.

Posted by: Public Service Message at May 29, 2011 01:35 PM (IhHdM)

Since ethanol makes shitty gas that's only bought when people are forced to after being subsidised, who gives a rats ass if its produced at all?

169

Since ethanol makes shitty gas that's only bought when people are forced to after being subsidised, who gives a rats ass if its produced at all?

Posted by: Oldcat at May 29, 2011 01:41 PM (CN+Qv)

More so... as a Charter Member of DAMM (Drunks Against Mad Mothers) I have to state that using Alcohol for FUEL is just plain Evil, and Against the Laws of God and Nature.

Alcohol should be Drunk, in Large Quantitys of Mass Inbidement! Not Abused to Power your Suburu!

170

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at May 29, 2011 01:40 PM (mHQ7T)

heh, this should be fun, the commenter you replied to is um...well let's just say he's a true believer w/o thought of victories and leave it at that

171 Tattoo once again you are full of shit.

172

Posted by: chillin the most at May 29, 2011 01:41 PM (6IV8T)

if Obama wins MO in 2012, we're fucked, no way he wins that state even if he wins the election. they just reputiated Obamacare and there's a troubled incumbent Senator there ripe for the picking. The Gov might be re-elected but it will be as meanigless as West Virginia voting for Manchin and then voting for Dubya and Mac.

173  i could be wrong here but didnt the indians teach the pilgrams to grow corn and thats what kelpt them alive in the first few years they were here......

Posted by: Racefan at May 29, 2011 01:24 PM (gQKlc)

Yeah and they used it for fuel too in their Pilgram Scooters.

174
You don't remember the 'good old days' when you turned the key to shut off your engine and it kept running, or when you stepped on the gas you got a steady 'ping' and no acceleration? It has a purpose, we've tried other chemicals (including lead) over the years and they've all had issues. I don't know that 10% ethanol is the 'magic number' to retard pre-ignition and I suppose it's less then that with todays engines and computer firing systems, but I'm sure it's not zero.

Posted by: Public Service Message at May 29, 2011 01:48 PM (IhHdM)

I remember "the good old days" of about a year ago when I could by 100% gasoline  -- zero percent alcohol. My engine didn't ping or diesel and my mileage and acceleration were both better than they are today.

The "magic number" for ethanol in gasoline is ZERO.

175 Tattoo once again you are full of shit. Posted by: Vic at May 29, 2011 01:45 PM (M9Ie6) Once again, Vic, you fake-ass DeMint-pimping sellout, Huntsman passed a trio of pro-life legislation in Utah. www.lifenews.com/2009/03/24/state-3979/ “NRA would like to thank Governor Huntsman and the lead sponsors, State Senator Mark Madsen (R-13) and State Representative Steve Sandstrom (R-5 for their continued support for the Second Amendment.” The bill Huntsman signed into law in 2008 did not include a mandate requiring health insurance or many rules compelling citizens to participate in the government-facilitated health plan exchange. Cato gave Huntsman the highest ranking among Republican governors in 2008 based on tax policies, griping that he raised spending 10%, but he still left Utah with a $1.6 billion surplus.

176 5 #2
Man with forked tongue has happy wife though.

When you've got a debilitating disease, you can't exactly be choosy.

177 While Romney is busy Brill Creaming his hair, Sarah just pulled into the Pentagon parking lot on a Harley with flaming fucking pipes.

Romney=pussy.

178 I don't know who Eve Harrington is, but I like Tammy Bruce a lot. For those who supported Hillary Clinton in the Dem primaries in 2008, the same Eve Harrington remark was made about Barack Obama. So, I think Tammy Bruce is telling a small group of Hillary supporters who switched to Palin that Bachmann is a rising star.

179 No, she's telling people, Bachmann is a backstabbing weasel, so the support for a health care mandate, cap n trade, and other issues don't bother you, that's good to know, Yes being a beggar in Beijing, is a noble enterprise, I don't begrudge him that, but other substantial matters should concern you,

180 198 While Romney is busy Brill Creaming his hair, Sarah just pulled into the Pentagon parking lot on a Harley with flaming fucking pipes.

Romney=pussy.

Posted by: Barbarian at May 29, 2011 01:58 PM (EL+OC)

check out the pic of Sara on Drudges page now.............. yep, i would hit it.............

181 Huntsman enthusiastically joined Barky's team to carry out the Indonesian's policies. Huntsman has overseen his families business in Asia, was the youngest US ambassador in 100 years under Bush Sr. in Singapore, trade rep in SE Asia under W, was a missionary in Taiwan as a young man and is a fluent speaker of Mandarin. Of course, he agreed to the job. He was representing America, not just Obama, based on his qualifications.

182 Italics fail.

183

Yes Huntsman is a real conservative Republican

That's why Think Progess and the MFM loves him so much

As for your tone kiss my ass and fuck off.

184 Does Huntsman have the balls to oppose ethanol subsidies?

185

check out the pic of Sara on Drudges page now.............. yep, i would hit it.............

Posted by: Racefan at May 29, 2011 02:07 PM (gQKlc)

You betcha.

186 so the support for a health care mandate, cap n trade, and other issues don't bother you Huntsman has not supported a mandate, and he has backed off cap and trade like every single Republican.

187 As for your tone kiss my ass and fuck off. Posted by: Vic at May 29, 2011 02:07 PM (M9Ie6) I'd kiss your old ass, except I get enough fiber in my diet without having to eat prunes.

188 At Fox News A.B. Stoddard made the comment that Romney's strategy is to be the last person standing when the convention takes place.  This looks like a continuation of that strategy.

189 That's why Think Progess and the MFM loves him so much You know who else likes Huntsman so much? Obama. That's why he sent him to China and praises him now. You know why the MFM likes Huntsman? Because he gives interviews unlike Palin and Romney and doesn't put people to sleep like TPaw.

190 If you want a parallel he's Henry Cabot Lodge, longtime Republican, who volunteered to serve, was undermined by the administration, (although not as dramatically) and ran for office, with ovations which were only echoes of his oen voice

191 Why in the hell are we letting conservatives take flak for ethanol?  It was eco-marxists that lobbied and pushed it into laws forcing it on the rest of us.

Remember when leftard Bill Gates bought 8million dollars worth of Ethanol based stock as a good deed?

Remember when we were supposed to buy plastic bags to save trees?

In a few years will they be blaming conservatives for global warming?

This list could go on forever and way back in history,  after all they blame the party of Abraham Lincoln for the KKK.

192 Obama does not speak for America. He's the chief executive under the Constitution. If you want a parallel he's Henry Cabot Lodge... Or Thomas Jefferson, who decided to run for President against John Adams while serving as Adams' Vice-President (not to mention all his machinations while serving as Washington's Secretary of State).

193 CORN! CORN! CORN!

Gimme corn!
I want corn!
There's no substitute for corn.

194 Sorry, I have a close family member who _was_ involved with the Mormons, and I know firsthand some disturbing things about the religion, how they recruit, how they handle people who decide to leave the cult, plus some mighty disturbing things about the cult's beliefs and recent history (not to mention the crackpot, scientology-level "tenets" and start of the religion. I won't vote for Romney, as much as I detest Obama. And just like MILLIONS of Republicans, I'll sit the election out if Romney is the candidate. You can like it or not, Romney will never beat Obama, nor will he win over Evangelical Christians. You want to call us all bigots (I'm not an Evangelical, btw) you're a bigger, just like the racers calling everyone a racist. There are real and justified reasons to have problems with the Mormon cult. I wouldn't vote for a Scientologist, either.

195 #175

He did make those votes, but his positions on national immigration reform have changed again and again.

He supported Kennedy-McCain immigration reform in 2005. All of the tough talk on immigration came during the second half of his term. He didn't start talking about border security and people going back to their home country and 'waiting in line' until the primary.

Not even six months after the election, he was already saying that Republicans needed to pass 'comprehensive immigration reform' (Kennedy-McCain type legislation) before the electoral campaign began. Romney urged Republican congressmen on multiple occasions to pass immigration reform before the 2012 election.

196 " i could be wrong here but didnt the indians teach the pilgrams to grow corn and thats what kept them alive in the first few years they were here......" You are wrong; the Pilgrims nearly starved because they set up a collectivist communal structure that rewarded sloth (Protestant work ethic my ass) and couldn't bring in their own crops. 17th century Englishmen knew perfectly well how to foul up a field and a social order.

197 Damn. FERTILIZE a field and foul up a social order.

198 He's the chief executive under the Constitution. Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at May 29, 2011 03:07 PM (mHQ7T) Not really. He's the Chief Executive by democratic process, not Constitutionality. Posted by: progressoverpeace at May 29, 2011 03:53 PM (G/MYk) Article II - The Executive Branch Section 1 - The President The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. You have really let your disturbing hatred of Obama loosen your grip on reality. I don't like Obama. It's why I want him defeated. Huntsman doesn't like his policies. That's why he reigned to challenge him. Given the rest of the GOP field and the threat of a Romney nomination, I welcome a Huntsman candidacy and believe his voice helps grow the Republican tent.

199 "Resigned" ... typo.

200 If the election is about the Economy, then the Republicans will lose. "Spending" is not a battle cry that puts fire into the belly and fear into the enemy. However important the fiscal situation we're in, the talk about debt is just not going to be enough to turn the battle. The public pays attention for a couple minutes, then starts knitting.

If the only issue the GOP can seized on from this 3 year reign of out of control tyranny is "spending", then it hasn't been paying attention. We need a warrior for 2012, Romney's an accountant.

201

Which candidate is it who is running on social issues again?  None of them?  So, Daniels only voiced the truth about this election.  All the candidates agree on the social issues.  So no one has an upper hand on that front.

Another truth?  There is so little difference between the politics of the candidates that no one stands out as being more or less conservative--socially, fiscally, or any other way.

So the Primary, is mainly about competence in running their campaigns, and about their experience dealing with problems like the ones the country faces.  And about who can make us feel confident that they can handle the job well.

Romneycare used to seem insurmountable... until the other candidates came along with their baggage too.  Now it is just one issue, which Romney has addressed brilliantly.  Nobody is forcing you to move to MA, so your displeasure at that state's decisions is duly noted, but irrelevant. The issue is Obamacare.

Romney will issue waivers for Obamacare on the first day he is in office to all the states.  Poof! Obamacare gone, simple, elegant and over.  As far as the executive branch at least.  When the repeal gets to his desk, Romney will sign it.

He has another plan very similar to what Ryan proposed, and Obama rejected... also, simple and elegant.

Now, Romney might not turn out to be the choice in the end.  I may decide someone else is better for the country... he could really mess up some how.  Or someone else may really shine.

But so far so good Romney.  Romney's competence is showing.

 

202 Pawlenty is really impressing me. I just saw his interview with the very Liberal Christiane Amanpour on "This Week" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkMlqfN0DDU and he hit it out of the park. If he can score such points in enemy territory, he can go the distance. I think that "boring" meme is based on his "nice guy" looks and the folds of skin under his eyes that remind you of the cartoon character Droopy. The real Pawlenty is a fighter (drinks beer and plays hockey).

203  Wow! Pawlenty drinks beer and plays hockey? He sounds just like a regular guy- one that I can really connect with, the kind that I really like. I think I'm starting to open up to him. He sounds "gritty".

204 Romney = Competence? Fine.

However, the catchphrase for the 2012 election will not be "competence", but Vengeance!

205

229
"However, the catchphrase for the 2012 election will not be "competence", but Vengeance! "

No, because that is what 2008 was about.  Vengence for Bush v. Gore in 2000 on the part of Democrats.  And vengeance for McCain against Bush in the Primary of 2000 as well.  There were lots of scores that were trying to be settled in 2008.  And that got us a long way toward bankruptcy.  Morally as well as financially.

It is time to move past vengeance and on to competence.

Besides, revenge is never as sweet as you think it will be.  Revenge leaves one empty and devoid of a way forward. It is better to let by-gones be by-gones.

(I don't know what all the symbols do at the top. Is there a way to quote better?)

P.S. I'm glad to hear Pawlenty had a good interview.

206 So Romney's campaign is going to be "sure you hate me and I have crappy policies but I can win"... seriously?

207  Vengeance for the American people in return for the indignity shown us over the course of the past two years- the co-ordinated assault upon the traditions of a proud people. The restoration of America's honor, dignity and pride.

No general ever rallied his armies by proclaiming "Competence!". You don't see it. Romney doesn't get it. He's a technocrat, not a soldier.

208

Yes we can! Hope! Change! Vengeance!

I actually think that was part of Obama's campaign last time... how about:

Reparations!!!!  That's one the Dems like too.

I hope the people actually running the campaigns have a little better idea than that.

209 The man who spent 15 years in the Clergy should run more on social issues, but Huckabee scared him of anti-mormon backlash

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