1 too much math

2 59 points? There were 9 that he just couldn't live without or they couldn't come up with 1 more to round things off?

How about 41 more for a nice, even hundred. 

3 He should have used 57 sta...points.

4 The differences are within who has the record of doing what they say and their ability to make it happen if they are elected.

I predict that if Romney loses to Perry, it will be because he was awol during the debt ceiling debate.  Whichever side he endorses, sitting on the sideline for a seminal debate won't play well this cycle. 

5 And I have a mantis in my pantis!

6 Well it doesn't matter since Perry missed his chance at a national debut by skipping an afternoon event on Labor Day that CNN cut away from to show commercials.

7 Has anyone seen Perry?

8 In a world where 140 characters on Twitter has made reading a full length blog post like slogging through War and Peace I only read 140 characters of the comments.

9 Full length blog post ? Is this an apology or a movie review ?

10 Is Mitt's accompanying PowerPoint presentation available on DVD or as a torrent? I hope it's under three hours.

11 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

12 Settle down Dan , it's no big deal .

13 Romney spoke without a prepared text under a banner that read, “Day One, Job One,” inside a sweltering North Las Vegas truck warehouse, laying out 10 actions he said he would take on his first day in the Oval Office that would create more certainty for businesses.

Who chose that venue?  I hope there wasn't an unfortunate audience of people listening to Mitt. 


Seriously, though, it seems overdue.  Has he released a similarly detailed plan for getting rid of Obamacare?  If he has, it's not on his campaign web site.  That's what concerns me coming from him.  No details on "Repeal and replace." 

14 59 points?  That's almost one for each state.

15

lower the corporate tax rate to 25 percent from 35 percent;

That's a start. A quick Bing search says that Mexico is at 35%. Canada's current corporate tax rate is 16.5% and the conservatives are trying to get it to 15%.

16 It's a shame that inking a free trade agreement with Columbia is seen as such a bold move.  Canada did that just last month.

17 7 Has anyone seen Perry?

Posted by: Phineas at September 06, 2011 07:43 PM (afrI6)

--I'm sure plenty of Texas morons have.

18 What's a "book?"

19 18 7 Has anyone seen Perry?

Posted by: Phineas at September 06, 2011 07:43 PM (afrI6)

--I'm sure plenty of Texas morons have.

Posted by: logprof at September 06, 2011 07:54 PM (lh7Yc)

Oh, there he is

20

Seriously, though, it seems overdue. Has he released a similarly detailed plan for getting rid of Obamacare? If he has, it's not on his campaign web site. That's what concerns me coming from him. No details on "Repeal and replace."

Posted by: Y-not at September 06, 2011 07:50 PM (5H6zj)

You mean a waiver for everyone isn't enough?

21 Can I finish?  Can I finish?

Now, Mitt, you know and I know, that you're stealing my schtick.

That dog won't hunt.  It's just that simple.

22 I made the effort to condense it and left 61 of the points and 170 of the pages for a future speech....

"good day"

23

OT: well they identified the Nevada shooter.

Authorities say the suspect, 32-year-old Eduardo Sencion of Carson City, also killed a female civilian and wounded five other people before shooting himself

24 Snark all you want...but this is actually a pretty fucking impressive plan.  Romney has any number of strikes against him (let's not rehearse them again) but he was totally in his element today, and this plan is about 10,000 times better and more appealing than anything Obama could put forth.  Honestly, Perry has a better record on jobs (much of which, to be fair, due to structural factors relating to Texas that he just had the sense to get out of the way of), but Romney just sounds supremely convincing and reassuring TALKING about them in front of an audience.  He is quite reassuring in that area -- it's the one subject matter where all of his supposed 'fakeness' drops away and he is superbly comfortable in his own skin.

Man, I sort of wish we could genetically crossbreed our two leading candidates.  Rick Romney?  Mitt Perry? 

25 16 SI,

Canada having a rate less than half the American rate tells you all you need to know about why we're getting dickstomped....

foreign business headquarters in canada to sell to the US market vis a vis Nafta and have some socialism without that neo-luddite chaser

26

Authorities say the suspect, 32-year-old Eduardo Sencion of Carson City, also killed a female civilian and wounded five other people before shooting himself

Posted by: robtr at September 06, 2011 07:58 PM (MtwBb)

I read somewhere else today that supposedly his girlfriend (or ex-girlfriend) was sitting with the national guard.  No idea if that true...interweb thing.  But if so, that might be the female civilian that was killed.

27 22 Can I finish? CanI finish? Now, Mitt, you know and I know, that you're stealing my schtick. That dog won't hunt. It's just that simple. Posted by: H. Ross Perot at September 06, 2011 07:57 PM (lh7Yc) Say. Do you still have those fancy charts?

28 "Rick Romney" sounds sort of like a closeted gay teen idol from the 1950's, doesn't it?  That one definitely has to go.

29 Seriously, does anyone know the feasibility of this waiver strategy? Only Congress can kill Hellcare for good. Would not Demotards challenge an EO like this in court?

30 @21
Somehow... no. 

This plan roll out seems really poorly thought out.  Kind of a fizzle to me. Heck, Huntsman - who blows donkey sticks - had some specifics out recently (on tax reform) and grabbed lots of attention in the process and he's only been at this a couple of months.  Romney's been going for this job for-friggin-ever.  Coming up with concrete plans should have been priority one... particularly when it comes to Health Care.  His record is weak and dusty and people simply don't trust him on that issue (rightfully so). 

31

I read somewhere else today that supposedly his girlfriend (or ex-girlfriend) was sitting with the national guard.  No idea if that true...interweb thing.  But if so, that might be the female civilian that was killed.

Posted by: Tami at September 06, 2011 08:01 PM (X6akg)

No, the woman killed was national guard. The story is at seattletimes.com

32 well crap I didn't read my own post, maybe you are right.

33 @25 I agree with all of that, but are whose hair are we taking, Romney's or Perry's?

34 It's an impressive plan, but the rollout could have been more smooth.  When a think tank like the Brookings Institution issues a report, they usually issue a four page summary along with the full report.  Not everyone is a policy wonk.

35 "Man, I sort of wish we could genetically crossbreed our two leading candidates.  Rick Romney?  Mitt Perry?" I'm picturing Rosey Greer's and Ray Milland's heads grafted on to the same body.

36 19 What's a "book?" Those things , upright , on your shelves . Me ? I tend to abuse things . I open them up , apply lubricants , then fuck the shit out of them . Apparently , most people just read them for pleasure .

37 Say. Do you still have those fancy charts?

Posted by: Romneycare at September 06, 2011 08:01 PM (gUMu2)

I do, but you'll have the buy the airtime yourself!

38 A 59-point plan has a face only a technocrat could love.

39 Where's Jim to tell us how many Obama approved economists have decided the science is settled. Keynes was right.

Like 103% of all economists. . .In FY2007 it's up to 106% this year.

40 Honestly, was the venue really "sweltering"?  Because if it was, that's some mighty poor planning.  I'm sure the reporters loved standing there cooking to death.  That'll help them write great copy.  Really stupid handling by Mitt's people. 

41

No, the woman killed was national guard. The story is at seattletimes.com

Posted by: robtr at September 06, 2011 08:02 PM (MtwBb)

Above you just said a 'female civilian' was killed.  The story says:

"Five Nevada National Guard troops sitting together at the back of the restaurant were shot - two of them fatally. Another woman was also killed, and the gunman, 32-year-old Eduardo Sencion of Carson City, shot himself in the head and died at a hospital."

Doesn't appear the woman was national guard.

42 @37 Remind me never to borrow your books. NTTAWWT.

43 My typing and grammar are off the chain tonight.

44 It's like the Goldilocks story... Too hard... Romney?? Too soft... Bachman?? Just right... Perry?? Insert candidate names as you see fit. It's kinda like a game.

45

Doesn't appear the woman was national guard.

Posted by: Tami at September 06, 2011 08:06 PM (X6akg)

See 33

46

Posted by: sven10077 at September 06, 2011 08:00 PM (AEIYh)

I know. And it's America lite with no great cultural differences to overcome.

But if Romney's going to be cutting corporate taxes, that $1.5 Trillion deficit is going to have to be slashed. Heck, even if you don't cut corporate taxes, government spending still needs to be slashed.

CNN is reporting now that Obama's plan is going to be a $300 Billion spending plan on that never-specific infrastructure stuff. The spending is supposed to be offset by $300 Billion in cuts from somewhere, most likely phantom cuts.

47

See 33

Posted by: robtr at September 06, 2011 08:07 PM (MtwBb)

Yeah, sorry....saw it after I posted.

48 Slublog,

There is a PDF summary at Mitt's website. 

I still think they mishandled this roll out.  The timing seems odd, the venue sounds like it was disastrously bad, and the plan should have been shorter with the details referenced in an addendum. 

It's like a grad student who slaves away for seven years on their Ph.D. only to produce an overly wordy dissertation.  They want to have a long document to show how hard they worked, but those dissertations are invariably badly in need of editing. 

49 Man, I sort of wish we could genetically crossbreed our two leading candidates.  Rick Romney?  Mitt Perry? 

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 06, 2011 08:00 PM (hIWe1)

"Rick Romney" sounds like something Scooby Doo would say.

"Rook, shaggy, is Rick Romney!"

50

CNN is reporting now that Obama's plan is going to be a $300 Billion spending plan on that never-specific infrastructure stuff. The spending is supposed to be offset by $300 Billion in cuts from somewhere, most likely phantom cuts.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 06, 2011 08:08 PM (GKQDR)

Because maintaining the current level of spending would be just perfect with no problems

51 "CNN is reporting now that Obama's plan is going to be a $300 Billion spending plan on that never-specific infrastructure stuff. The spending is supposed to be offset by $300 Billion in cuts from somewhere, most likely phantom cuts." SRSLY? If that is the best she can do, SCOAMF would generate more excitement with a bowl of her day-old tomato soup.

52

"Rick Romney" sounds like something Scooby Doo would say.

"Rook, shaggy, is Rick Romney!"

Gah.  Ear worm.

53 Romney said he'd "roll back Obamacare"?  To hell with rolling it back.  I want it completely fucking repealed.

54 I think some people are missing the point: the idea of a super-complex 59-point plan is NOT to have every voter read it and study it.  People who are complaining that it's "too long" or "too dense" don't seem to grasp that the idea is to strike an immediate contrast between Romney ("my 59 point plan is so well thought-out and badass that I turned it into a mini-book") and Obama ("nothing detailed and nothing in writing, please").  It also neatly contrasts him with all the other GOP candidates in the field, because it positions Romney to quiz Perry or Bachmann (or anyone) on exactly what their positions are on X, Y & Z covered in his plan. 

Also, having seen the speech he gave today, it's good politics.  The policy recommendations are solid, they're not really pie-in-the-sky (at least not the executive order stuff), and even the "get tough with China" stuff actually resonates with me.

I'll be interested to see how Perry responds.  Does he just swat it away and ignore it (as the new frontrunner, he might be able to)?  Does he outline a plan of his own? 

55 It's CNN. But yeah, that's what they said.

56 Link to Romney Plan summary (at Mitt's campaign site).  The full plan is there, too.

57 44 My typing and grammar are off the chain tonight.

Posted by: Oily Taints at September 06, 2011 08:06 PM (TUax9)

Maybe it's a tumor

58 >> According to his campaign, by the end of RomneyÂ’s first term, his proposals would lead to GDP growth averaging 4 percent per year over four years Bullshit. See Geoff's chart.

59 All but the China thing sounds fine --- but let's face it, we can't trust this bastard.  We don't need someone who is so much a pol that he can split the baby over something like an individual mandate.  He said the one thing I most want to hear in that he proposed repealing everything Obama has done since taking office but the fact that it is Romney saying it makes it irrelevant.

Romney is the sort who will say what he has to in order to get elected.  He is like Kerry in that regard.  Neither of them places anything above their own advancement.

What is it about MA that turns out so many wholly unprincipled politicians?

60 47 SI,

no Bambi is not looking for phantom cuts friend he'll ask the civillian feds to cut $0.98 and DoD to gut $299,999,999,999.02


"change MFers"

61 This is not the Mormon you're looking for. [Waves hand]

62 Wake me up when the primaries are over.  Then I'll vote for the idiot that's not Obama and hope for the best.

63 >>>CNN is reporting now that Obama's plan is going to be a $300 Billion spending plan on that never-specific infrastructure stuff. The spending is supposed to be offset by $300 Billion in cuts from somewhere, most likely phantom cuts.

If this is really it, then he's boned.  He's boned and he knows it, too.

Therefore, I can't really believe that this is all.  This would be tantamount to rhetorical & political surrender.

64 "55 Romney said he'd "roll back Obamacare"?  To hell with rolling it back.  I want it completely fucking repealed." Maybe he can rickroll Obamacare.

65 Posted by: Jeff B. at September 06, 2011 08:11 PM (hIWe1)

There are better ways for Mitt to make a clear distinction between himself and Obam-bam.  "Walking back" Romney care, for example.....

Condense his 'mini-book' into a Snappy Slogan.  People like snappy slogans

66 Uh uh.. I'll pass on Romney, he is a GOP version of Al Gore. And there is his Romneycare, if he were elected Obamacare would not be repealed which may be the whole point of his campaign.

67 Maybe it's a tumor

It's not a tumor

68 Jeff, the most obvious contrast is Three-Page Cain, but nobody gives a shit about him anymore really.

69

Related enough: Perry is reported to be attending tomorrow's debate in California.

I am going to a Meet & Greet for him tomorrow night here in San Diego, after the debate.  Hopefully I won't sound like a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure if I get to meet him.

70 Wake me up when the primaries are over. Then I'll vote for the idiot that's not Obama and hope for the best. Posted by: tangonine at September 06, 2011 08:13 PM (x3YFz) Well said.

71 I'm for Mittens.  I'm against  Mittens. I'm for Mittens.  I'm against  Mittens. I'm for Mittens.  I'm against  Mittens.

72 He should have used 57 sta...points.

Remember that SCOAMF said he had visited 57 states so far and had two more to go to.  So 59 it id.

73 My dad's a gynecologist. He looks at vaginas all day long.

74 "I'm the party pooper !!!

75

OT. Has anyone heard from Vic? How is he doing?

At least Romney has a plan. Odumbbo talks about planning a plan.

76 I stated a couple of threads ago that I liked this approach. This will force the other candidates to get specific too. No more of the 'Hope & Change' rope-a-dope.
 
Now, to endlessly pick apart every last one of his proposals until nothing but their glistening skeletons lay bare in the desert.

77 What tangonine said. I am deeply, deeply unimpressed with any of the dipshits running, and yet I'll still vote for the king of the dipshits. Hell, I'd vote for a overly ripe pluot over Obama. I need a drink.

78 "CNN is reporting now that Obama's plan is going to be a $300 Billion spending plan on that never-specific infrastructure stuff. The spending is supposed to be offset by $300 Billion in cuts from somewhere, most likely phantom cuts."

SRSLY?

If that is the best she can do, SCOAMF would generate more excitement with a bowl of her day-old tomato soup.


Really?
REALLY?
So take money from one bucket, and put it in another? Money you were going to pay folks a, b, and c, and use it instead to pay folks x, y, and z? And this is going to do....what exactly?
We've graduated from economic theory to fantasy.
Your economy has a flat tire, you rotate the tires and keep driving.
Or take those deck chairs and move them to the side away from the iceberg.
Pick your metaphor.

79 Most voters don't want details, but many do.  I'm glad Romney stepped up, and frankly I demand this level of detail from Perry (whom I'm 90% likely to vote for in the primary) and all other candidates.

80 Rick Perry's plan starts with 59...murders.

81 someone just tweeted that CNN is "tearing romney apart" and in watching the ever horse faced liberal leslie on o'rielly did she actually say that "Americans have short attention spans" as her excuse for the president not revealing his entire plan in one speech?

82 Looking at the plan (skimming it just now), one thing jumps out - he's calling for increased immigration of skilled workers.  That's going to freak some folks out, imho.  He also has some lingo in there that sounds like the standard education pandering which makes me nervous coming from him.

What he had going for him was a reputation, carefully cultivated by his supporters, that he was a thoughtful, smart businessman.  But that's based on a different economic climate, frankly, and his record as governor of Massachusetts has this big fat turd in it: Masscare.  Early on when I had him at the top of the pile I kept waiting for him to shovel that turd out of there or, even better, to use that turd as fertilizer for a wonderful garden of great ideas on health care.  But that never happened.  That's inexcusable and it tells me he does not accept what a disaster Masscare and things like it are. 

Ironically, he's still kind of my back up guy, because I just haven't seen enough from Bachmann to make me think she's up to the job.  So that's pretty sad. 

83 50 Slublog,

There is a PDF summary at Mitt's website.

I still think they mishandled this roll out. The timing seems odd, the venue sounds like it was disastrously bad, and the plan should have been shorter with the details referenced in an addendum.

It's like a grad student who slaves away for seven years on their Ph.D. only to produce an overly wordy dissertation. They want to have a long document to show how hard they worked, but those dissertations are invariably badly in need of editing.

Posted by: Y-not at September 06, 2011 08:09 PM (5H6zj)

Yeah, wouldn't it have been better for him to take these 59 details and combine them down into a sort of 10 point plan, and then have the 5-6 details in each point.  You could get people to know the 10 points and then when he's asked about a specific one he can get down into those 5 specific details.  Because if he starts talking about his 59 ideas people's eyes are going to start glazing over and they're not going to bother listening to any of them.

84 Romney was great today and yesterday--please forgive me for saying that.

85 Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at September 06, 2011 08:17 PM (0q2P7)

Almost half the population gets a government check--most apparently do not care where the $$$$ originates from, or whose money it originally was

86 Rick Perry's plan starts with 59...murders. This is why I can't quit you guys.

87 Boys have a penis, and girls have a vagina.Expect Obama he has both...

88 The first bullet point in my 59-part economic plan is not voting for Romney.

89 Better than 57 states of SCOAMF, Ace.

90 We've graduated from economic theory to fantasy.
Your economy has a flat tire, you rotate the tires and keep driving.
Or take those deck chairs and move them to the side away from the iceberg.
Pick your metaphor.

Something with Slurpees would be nice.

91 I'm not SCOMF, I'm princess.

92 Ten percent reduction in Federal employees is funny, though.

93

Each of Romney's key points are well taken, with the notable exceptions of the worker retraining item, the EO regarding Obamacare and the China currency gambit.

The EO rolling back Obamacare merely is a fig leaf.  Getting rid of Obamacare will require new legislation.  There's also the related point that for Romney even to discuss Obamacare is the height of irony, given the fact of Romneycare. 

Sanctioning China for currency manipulation is a bad idea.  We don't need to pick a fight with our largest creditor.

Concerning worker retraining the better approach would be to eliminate this area of federal spending.  The private sector can fund its own job training efforts.  The public sector needs to jettison workers, not retrain them.

Romney's team does need to learn to be a lot more concise (the chances of Zombieland absorbing such a detailed plan are zero), but at least they're putting together a (mostly) viable plan.  It'll be interesting to see what Perry's team comes up with as far as the economy and job creation go.  I suspect Perry's approach will be less heavy and a lot clearer.

94 Get lost curious.

95 My man is late from work.  I hate that, especially on the first day of the work week because it almost invariably means some sort of disaster (usually HR-related) has struck. 

And I'm hungry...

96 According to his campaign, by the end of RomneyÂ’s first term, his proposals would lead to GDP growth averaging 4 percent per year over four years -- Bullshit. See Geoff's chart. Yep. What is unclear is whether blowing smoke up our asses is a good way to win elections. 2% GDP growth is a best case scenario. If we get a pubbie in the WH and the Senate remains Demotard, that won't even happen. Is it really good politics to overpromise? Don't ask me. I'd prefer to hear the "bad" news, that gubmint can't work magic, usually hampers growth and the best thing is to quash as much of it as possible. But can you sell that to the muddled middle?

97 The tire is only flat on the bottom, Slurpee Boy!

98

Deatails provide certainity and accountability.  People don't want it?  Really?  They really want Obamacare?

 

They want to know what's in it after they pass it?

Pathetic.

99 Which point in the plan provides more money for the corn industry?

100 100

Deatails provide certainity and accountability.  People don't want it?  Really?  They really want Obamacare?

---

I'm happy enough with details, but the plan is overdue, imho, and was poorly rolled out. 

But the really funny thing about your comment (not meaning to pick on you, actually) is your use of Obamacare as an example.  To date, Romney has not delivered a detailed plan of what he means by "repeal and replace."  That's unforgivable coming from him. 

101 86 Romney was great today and yesterday--please forgive me for saying that.

He was great to me at least five times!

102 Ace, he was going to have 60, but 59 gets more snark and thus talk--he is on to you.

103

So, Perry's got all the fires out now and is free to attend the debate? /s

More seriously, did the fires materially change enough/calm down enough for him to legitimately attend without looking like a flip-flopper?

104 If only Ace had written the post.

105 " "CNN is reporting now that Obama's plan is going to be a $300 Billion spending plan on that never-specific infrastructure stuff. The spending is supposed to be offset by $300 Billion in cuts from somewhere, most likely phantom cuts." " ------ I'm sure that Iraq drawdown to 3,000 troops announcement is merely coincidental. The President will clearly be offering $300 billion worth of cuts to underperforming social program spending.

106 Corporate taxes need to be eliminated, not reduced.

Agencies need to be eliminated, I don't see any in this plan.

What about auditing the Fed?

What about outlawing subsidies and bailouts?

Only structural changes I see are the BBA, spending caps, and outlawing carbon regulation. All good things.

107 More seriously, did the fires materially change enough/calm down enough for him to legitimately attend without looking like a flip-flopper?

IIRC I read today that all but that last one are "contained."  I think that last one is the one near Austin, however, so it's hard to picture him leaving TX if it doesn't at least have some sort of containment towards the biggest populations.  Can a Texas moron jump in here, please?

108 someone mentioned that there is a PDF link to the 59 point plan on mitt's website.  May I please have the link, as I couldn't find it.  I'd like to read for myself that mitt is a huge proponent of importing skilled workers.

Also, for those who make a huge deal about the fact that rove dislikes perry.  well laura ingram, God bless her, just asked him right out about it in a way only a woman could or would and he denied it.  So another one (rumor) bites the dust.

109 Holy shit! Reduce non-security discretionary spending by 5 percent?! Why, that will reduce the deficit by almost 1%. That's too bold.

110

More seriously, did the fires materially change enough/calm down enough for him to legitimately attend without looking like a flip-flopper?

Posted by: knob at September 06, 2011 08:27 PM (qKPU

Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.  That should about summarize the issue.

111 Karl Rove is asked if he hates Perry and he says no, so the stupid troll from New York believes him.  You must be really confused by how all the 10-inch dicks you see all seem to be different lengths.

112

This still isn't as detailed as a Sarah Facebook post!!!11!!1!!!

She's playing checkers and they are all playing chess.

 

Wait, did I get that right??????

113

Wait, did I get that right??????

Posted by: Tepid Air Nista at September 06, 2011 08:37 PM (VxqUc)

B+

114

Romney needs to get his ass beat. I hate this guy with a burning passion

115 I know buzzion that you are a palinista, but now both laura and annie have come over to my side of the aisle and are feeling as I do about ol sarah.  And apparently so are those being polled.

Karl Rove was very credible, watch the re run later.

116 dumbfuck troll I'm not a palinista you ignorant little twit.  But then you are too stupid to understand anything beyond sucking whatever is waved in front of your face.

117 btw, buzzion, stop with the sexual comments.  Cease and desist now.

118 118 dumbfuck troll I'm not a palinista you ignorant little twit.  But then you are too stupid to understand anything beyond sucking whatever is waved in front of your face.

Posted by: buzzion at September 06, 2011 08:41 PM (GULKT)

btw, buzzion, stop with the sexual comments.  Cease and desist now.

119 Right sorry, guess you don't like to talk "shop"

120 IIRC I read today that all but that last one are "contained."  I think that last one is the one near Austin, however, so it's hard to picture him leaving TX if it doesn't at least have some sort of containment towards the biggest populations.  Can a Texas moron jump in here, please?

Posted by: Y-not at September 06, 2011 08:30 PM (5H6zj)

I'm not a Texas moron but here's a link to all the fires and their status.

http://tinyurl.com/428wjzv

121 121 Right sorry, guess you don't like to talk "shop"

Posted by: buzzion at September 06, 2011 08:43 PM (GULKT)

btw, buzzion, stop with the sexual comments.  Cease and desist now.

122 Whatever you say Lamont.

123 Thx, Tami. 

124 Whatever you say Lamont.

Posted by: buzzion at September 06, 2011 08:46 PM (GULKT)

btw, buzzion, stop with the sexual comments.  Cease and desist now.

125 Wow, that's about as stupid as believing Rove is answering a question honestly.

126 Does "desist" mean let me suck harder?

127 Careful TexasJew, Lamont will use colored font at you.

128 Where and how would you like the plan to have been rolled out in our fractured, thousand channel tv-FB-twitter universe? And guess what? Romney reduced it to about a dozen things he will do first. But he only proposed repealing and waivering Obamacare once. I know Perry will propose wavering and repealing it eight times, so we know Romney is the RINO. Also, RINO and Romney start with the same letter! And that letter isn't P!

129 I like it. I especially like eliminating all investment taxation on those earning under 200k. Democraticization of market participation rawks.

130 "

B+

Posted by: GnuBreed at September 06, 2011 08:39 PM "

 

A good solid one, right?

131

110. cantankerous. I downloaded mine onto Kindle format.

linky here hoping this works, to pdf

132 Romney mentions in his list of first 10 items on day One in Oval the release from Obamacare etc etc

133 131 I like it. I especially like eliminating all investment taxation on those earning under 200k. Democraticization of market participation rawks.

Posted by: ginaswo at September 06, 2011 09:02 PM (QngP/)

He's done for me.  Two hundred grand is peanuts.  the people who are really suffering are making more than that, they are in the big cities, trying to keep their jobs of which they are making the same or less than when this mess started, usually less.  And most are underwater with their homes and still paying their mortgages, not walking away.  And they are probably paying tuition for a couple of kids in college or paying off their own student loans off and therefore they were late into acquiring their dream house.

134 "But he only proposed repealing and waivering Obamacare once."

Can Romney accomplish that?  Romney is not philosophically opposed to a mandated health care purchase anyway, which does place him in severe contrast to Perry (no, an optional gardisil vaccination doesn't make a difference).

But I'm glad to see something on that. 

Romney has to try harder than Perry, because Romney doesn't have a record on successfully governing.  He made MA worse, and was unpopular at the end of his term (didn't even run for reelection).

Romney needs something to make up that gap in credibility.  It's always amazed me that Romney isn't seen as about equal with Palin in credentials.  Perry has something more than a promise of how he'll govern, since he's governing right now, but I do hope Perry can match Romney's agenda.

It's a little different though.  I'm not worried about Perry when it comes to entitlements or spending so much as I am about foreign policy.

135 Posted by: ginaswo at September 06, 2011 09:07 PM (QngP/)
ugh only have my ipad and iphone with me.  kindle is home. 

will it work on the ipad or iphone?

136

68, 90 - BS yourself.  Following the link there is simply a chart and Geoff's opinion, no analysis, that GDP will never reach 4% again.  2% GDP is bare bones growth, you remove some of the heavy regulatory burden coming from DC and re-incent investment and risk taking and 4% is certainly doable.

130 - exactly. Romney has said repeatedly he would grant everyone a waiver to Obamacare effectively making it null.  Yes that doesn't repeal it (you need Congress to do it) but it is more than any other candidate has said.  To keep saying that doesn't count because of Romneycare is a cop out

Romney is not the perfect candidate (still looking at Perry myself) but deserves credit for putting out a detailed plan in direct contrast to O and some of the other R candidates.

 

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#136 - Can he accomplish this?  that is why he is saying Executive Order

"he made MA worse - any evidence of this"

"was unpopular when he left" - He was a GOP governor in a heavy Dem state and was constantly attacked by the Dem heavy media.  The only way to be popular in MA was to go full blown RINO - see Scott Brown

"Romney isn't seen as creditaled as Palin" - only a Palinista or MSM Dem talking point could say this with a straight face.  So the 20+ yrs running businesses and running the Olympics don't matter? 

138 135 131 I like it. I especially like eliminating all investment taxation on those earning under 200k. Democraticization of market participation rawks.

It's a clever way to move taxation back to a broader base (it's the carrot for the stick of fewer exemptions in a simpler code (that's my take; not something he said).

139 "Romney also said he would cut the size of the federal workforce by 10 percent through attrition, possibly by hiring only one new government employee for every two who leave."

Pussy.  Promise to fire / layoff 10% of the Federal workforce.  "Attrition" just means letting the good people go, and keeping the ones who are so incompetent they can't find a job any place else.

140 how the hell is romney going to oppose any part of obamacare if he were to be elected?  it would be a refutation of a good portion of his political career to date.  granted, he'd be 10 times better than what we have now, but the guy's nothing more than an elitist technocrat, and the government's virtually guaranteed to swell under mitt much like the rest of the presidents of the past 50 years.

141 But he only proposed repealing and waivering Obamacare once. I know Perry will propose wavering and repealing it eight times, so we know Romney is the RINO. Also, RINO and Romney start with the same letter! And that letter isn't P!

Posted by: ParisParamus at September 06, 2011 09:01 PM (N4/l+)

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He's for Repeal and Replace.  I'd like to see a 159-page document dissecting Masscare and Obamacare the way he attacks Obama in this jobs plan and I'd like to know what, specifically he means by replace. 

That's not too much to ask from someone who voted for the guy last time and who was willing to support him this time. 

You spend so much time wondering what camp the criticisms on Romney are coming from that you completely blow off the substance of the criticisms.  

(BTW, Masscare did make wait times for medical procedures worse so Romney gets to own that. Link to Cato. )

142 Can I ask why anyone on this thread making nice with a person who attacks the people here based on their age, education, military affiliations, and disease status?

143 "he made MA worse - any evidence of this"

See link to Cato study on Masscare in comment 143.   

It made health care worse in Massachusetts. 

144 If you have more than five points, you will effectively make zero points with your audience

145 One point for every state.

I wish I would've thought of that.
:^(

146 Should've made it 57 points, as a symbolic stick in 0bama's eye...

147 "only a Palinista or MSM Dem talking point could say this with a straight face.  So the 20+ yrs running businesses and running the Olympics don't matter? 

Posted by: notfeelinggoodabout12 at September 06, 2011 09:33 PM (GkYyh)"

Palin also did things before she was governor.

So while it's nice that Romney had some success laying people off with businesses he bought, no, it doesn't really settle the matter.

The Olympics thing is not significant.  Certainly not compared to Palin putting crooks in prison for corruption.

Romney's work at Bain is interesting and impressive in a way, but it's not like he really knows how to create jobs.  He knows how to eliminate dead weight, and clearly is a smart guy, though Palin also is no dummy.

Like I said, I think Palin and Romney are at about the same credibility level.  Except I don't really know whether Romney means what he says, or is just calculating it's what I want to hear.  Palin doesn't have a record of fundamental principle changes like Romney does.

I'm no Palin shill.  That's a ridiculous charge.  I won't even address the claim I'm a dem plant.  I do not think she has enough experience to be a credible presidential candidate.  I've long noted I want someone with proven success implementing conservative ideas as a government executive, successful enough to win reelection.

Romney clearly made MA far more liberal in policy.  That's just a fact.  He's on record opposing being a 'Reagan conservative', and he's erratic on policy unless his policy is to follow the polls.  Romney was unable to win reelection because he didn't do a good job.  It was bad enough that he didn't even try to run.  And yes, that's a fair analysis.  He had no chance and avoided the humiliation of trying to win.

Frankly, Romney has one single thing: that Bain experience.  It was very lucrative work.  It's worth some credit.  It's not enough.

We have only one serious candidate with a record of successfully cutting spending, keeping regulations stable so employers keep hiring (the opposite of Romneycare, might I note) and successful winning reelection.  Rick Perry has also handled many disasters with low drama and high effectiveness.  I've noticed that this state's government managed to turn the table on some horrible fires.  That was partly mother nature, but partly very hard work run well.  It takes a lot of administrative skill to handle that on the scale of Texas.

Romney is not terrible.  I don't hate the guy.  He's just no Rick Perry. He's a Sarah Palin.

148 I'm amazed anyone would even question whether Romney made MA worse.

Is that serious?

Look, he sounds pretty great now.  If I knew nothing about his record, or anyone else's, I'd certainly favor him.  He's the best debater, and he presents pretty realistic sounding agendas.

Yet he has never been effective in government leadership before, and a lot of his talk today is inconsistent with his principles yesterday.

A lot of politicians are like that.  Maybe Perry is, for all I know.  But this fundamental problem with Romney, combined with his inferior experience level, just keep him from being a top level candidate.

There's a reason he went from 1st to 2nd at the drop of a hat.  There's a reason so many of his supporters could so easily be swayed away.  This guy would have the same problem in a general election.

I'm sure he's a really smart guy, and I'm sure he wants to help this country.  I'm not trying to demonize Romney.  But it blows my mind he's considered significantly more credible than Palin.

149 I'm sorry, You are dead wrong. I do want to know and read what thier plans are. I will probably just skim it to make sure I get the gist of the whole thing. But after having heard all of the "plans" politicos have, I dont trust any of them. And if you listen to most of the promises they make during the campaigns, (I'm going to balance the budget! I'm going to cut spending! I'm going to create jobs!) they are all fine talking points, and everyone wants to believe they will come through. But if thats all they have, are talking points, then it is really not just a waste of thier breath, but a waste of my time for listening. What I want to know is how you are going to do those things. Because if your big plan for creating jobs is expanding government funding for mime school, I really dont think have my best interest at heart, or any clue how the world actually works. A well spoken dipstick, is still a dipstick

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