December 27, 2011
— Ace As a historical matter, the US didn't risk troops to end the Holocaust; FDR rejected Morgenthau's entreaties that he bomb the train lines to Auschwitz or take similar actions, on the theory that the US wouldn't support the war if it became perceived as a War for Jews. FDR seemed to believe there was a lot of anti-semitism in the country.
And so I asked Congressman Paul: if he were President of the United States during World War II, and as president he knew what we now know about the Holocaust, but the Third Reich presented no threat to the U.S., would he have sent American troops to Nazi Germany purely as a moral imperative to save the Jews?”
And the Congressman answered:
“No, I wouldn’t. I wouldn’t risk American lives to do that. If someone wants to do that on their own because they want to do that, well, that’s fine, but I wouldn’t do that.”Paul then looked at me, and I politely thanked him for his time. He smiled at me again and nodded his head, and many of his young followers were also smiling, and nodding their heads in agreement. Clearly, I was the only one in the room who was disturbed by his response.
We didn't fight WW2 to end the Holocaust, of course. FDR specifically rejected any actions which might reduce the German's Jew-murdering machine.
But Ron Paul seems to believe we did. It's always the Jews.
Ron Paul is most assuredly an isolationist. He denies this charge vociferously. But I can tell you straight out, I had countless arguments/discussions with him over his personal views. For example, he strenuously does not believe the United States had any business getting involved in fighting Hitler in WWII. He expressed to me countless times, that “saving the Jews,” was absolutely none of our business. When pressed, he often times brings up conspiracy theories like FDR knew about the attacks of Pearl Harbor weeks before hand, or that WWII was just “blowback,” for Woodrow Wilson’s foreign policy errors, and such.I would challenge him, like for example, what about the instances of German U-boats attacking U.S. ships, or even landing on the coast of North Carolina or Long Island, NY. He’d finally concede that that and only that was reason enough to counter-attack against the Nazis, not any humanitarian causes like preventing the Holocaust.
But Ron Paul goes a step further than that: He actually casts WWII, which was not a "humanitarian" intervention, as a humanitarian intervention, just so the facts agree with his eternal conclusion.
Of course Ron Paul's supporters don't sweat details like that. They've got bigger issues to worry themselves about.
When not listening to Alex Jones and Jeff Rense, chemtrail believers obsessively take photographs of the “poison trails” and “evil clouds.” Of course, since the alien-lizard-Zionist-Bilderbergers forbid the puppet governments of the world from admitting that chemtrails exist, the intrepid chemtrail hunters have been stymied. Sure, they can photograph them, but they can’t stop ‘em.Or CAN they? This year, a movement has spread like dengue fever among chemtrail sleuths. This movement claims that chemtrails can be “killed” with vinegar, sprayed upward from the ground. And hundreds of chemtrail true believers are doing just that – and they’re uploading videos to Youtube, Dailymotion, Ebaumsworld, and elsewhere, documenting their chemtrail “kills.”
Of the hundreds of “chemtrail kill” videos, the majority are made by self-described Ron Paul supporters. I’ve dubbed this branch of the Paul camp the “Paulsamics” (as in “Paulsamic vinegar”). If you want to see the sheer volume of Paulsamic videos online, just Google or Youtube-search “chemtrails” and “vinegar.” Below, I’ve embedded the very best video of the lot. It’s ten minutes long. Normally, I would grab a video of that length and edit a highlight reel. But it’s impossible to edit this one down; it’s too damn perfect as it is. Watch as a chemtrail-obsessed, Ron Paul-obsessed mom uses her trusty spray bottle to combat the marauding trails, as her long-suffering teenage son is forced to record her. Witness her great victory as she reemerges later to find that she has “cleaned the sky.”
Video at the link. This is what really bothers me about Ron Paul. He's not merely courting the paranoid fringe; he is the paranoid fringe. I can almost deal with the racism and antisemitism. These are easily understandable, at least. We're used to such things and prepared for the distortions in thought such impulses will produce.
What I cannot abide is a "man's" full-tilt white-knuckle freak-out over the "New Money."
Congressman Ron PaulMonday morning
Dear Fellow American:
You may not have much time left.
Next year, or next month, the New Money could wipe you out — destroy everything you’ve worked and saved for — and leave your family destitute.
It could happen any time. And I donÂ’t mind telling you IÂ’m scared. For myself, for my family, for my friends, for my country.
WeÂ’ve seen a lot of financial tyrannies from Washington in this century. This one could take the cake. And popping out of the cake, with a big Surprise!, will be an IRS agent with an AK-47.
Picture this: your feet are aching, your back is sore, and your patience ran out about two hours ago. How dare these bureaucrats treat you like this? How dare they make you wait in this line, this incredibly tedious line, to turn in your greenbacks? Then, when itÂ’s finally your turn, itÂ’s not so tedious after all.
An IRS agent with the dead eyes of a mako shark, asks — with that chilling police politeness — for your name, address, Social Security number, and “explanation.” From his tone and body language, you expect the Miranda warning next.
While muggers, robbers, and rapists run free on the streets, the power of the state is focused on you.
And no wonder. YouÂ’re a suspicious character. YouÂ’ve always kept some emergency cash. And now youÂ’re in trouble. . . because you tried to take care of yourself and your family, because you saved and planned ahead.
When President Bush announced the New Money during a War-on-Drugs speech, few realized what it meant, or just how bad it would be — for innocent Americans, not drug dealers. Turning in all your old money for a new currency wasn’t so bad. They’d done it often enough in Latin America, after all.
...
I uncovered the New Money plans during my last term in the U.S. Congress, and I held the ugly new bills in my hands. I can tell you — they made my skin crawl.
These totalitarian bills were tinted pink and blue and brown, and blighted with holograms, diffraction gratings, metal and plastic threads, and chemical alarms. It wasn’t money for a free people. It was a portable inquisition, a paper “third-degree,” to allow the feds to keep track of American cash, and American citizens.
As one federal scientist confirmed to me, these bills can be computer imprinted and read, to lay a paper trail hundreds of transactions long. Who uses them, when, and where. The taggents — chemical alarms — will set off federal cash-detection machines at airports and anyplace else they choose. And there are other swindles involved as well.
Thank goodness, a patriotic American within the Federal Reserve told me about this financial Manhattan Project. But this time, the government wants to drop the bomb on us.
To manufacture the New Money, the feds have built a colossal blockhouse in Ft. Worth, Texas, as ugly as it is evil. Designed in Stalin-style, guarded by KGB-level security, and full of three-color printing presses and spy device embedders, it belongs in Moscow, not Texas.
Stage One of the New Money — microprinting and a polyester thread — was meant to lull us to sleep, before the knife fell. But the bureaucrats’ scheme went awry when the old Bureau of Engraving and Printing plant in Washington, D.C., couldn’t handle the new technology.
TheyÂ’ve fixed that now, and Stage Two will chill your blood.
The New Money will steal our freedom and our prosperity; it will accelerate the transfer wealth and power from the people to the government and its friends.
Yeah, the "New Money" is now in your wallets and it exists, as was always planned, to make it a little harder for North Korea to counterfeit.
If a man were a dedicated UFOlogist and believed in all of it, and was convinced Men in Black existed and all of that too, would we consider electing him just because some of his alleged "policies" were conservative-sounding?
No, we wouldn't, because we'd question his judgment. A man who is afraid of shadow-people and faeries in the garden has an addled mind which cannot distinguish between serious threats, less serious threats which are nonetheless real, and just made-up "I want to worry about this so I don't have to worry about real things" fun-time phantasmal threats.
Ron Paul is crazy. People toss this term around a lot, but I'm saying it seriously, not metaphorically. Political paranoia is just a low-grade, livable form of the serious mental illness called paranoid schizophrenia. And it causes all sorts of misprioritizations.
While Ron Paul worries about Conspiracies Against The Currency, for example, others of us worry about, say, Islamists killing people by the hundreds.
Now, Ron Paul insists the former worry -- the Conspiracy Against the Currency -- is real, and the latter concern, the terrorist one, is made-up by neocons and Jews (but I repeat myself).
The man is literally crazy, at least in a low-level, non-commitment, doesn't-expose-himself-in-public way, and apparently Step One in our effort to take back the White House is to announce to America, in Iowa, that this man represents our views.
Of course, half or more of his support isn't even from conservatives or Republicans, but what are conservatives and Republicans doing adding to his numbers?
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Posted by: Troll Gingrich at December 27, 2011 08:08 AM (tJa5V)
Now, how'd that all work again?
Posted by: mpurinTexas, Evil Conservanatrix, supports Rick Perry at December 27, 2011 08:09 AM (xH9Q6)
Posted by: catman at December 27, 2011 08:11 AM (YKUmW)
I confess that all of the Libertarians I've had lengthy discussions with struck me to be, at their core, amoral selfish pricks.
Posted by: Y-not at December 27, 2011 08:11 AM (5H6zj)
Posted by: © Sponge at December 27, 2011 08:11 AM (UK9cE)
Posted by: ace at December 27, 2011 08:11 AM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Troll Gingrich at December 27, 2011 08:12 AM (tJa5V)
Posted by: Boxy Brown at December 27, 2011 08:12 AM (exCPD)
Well, to be fair, we were helping a bit, but it was more supplies and stuff, Lend-Lease and all. We didn't start shooting until Pearl Harbor, but FDR had been pushing us in that direction for some time regardless.
But the majority of the population wanted no part, until that, granted.
Posted by: DarkLord© for Prez! at December 27, 2011 08:13 AM (GBXon)
Posted by: ace at December 27, 2011 08:13 AM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 27, 2011 08:13 AM (JYheX)
Posted by: nickless at December 27, 2011 08:13 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: robtr at December 27, 2011 08:13 AM (MtwBb)
Posted by: Troll Gingrich at December 27, 2011 08:13 AM (tJa5V)
Posted by: ParisParamus at December 27, 2011 08:13 AM (bN5ZU)
Posted by: Entropy, and if you don't agree you hate America and want Obama to win at December 27, 2011 08:14 AM (AuQqX)
I just ran into a woman in the parking lot who told me that her baby had been blighted by Holograms!
We must stop the Holograms now! They will blight us all!
Posted by: Meeshell Bockman at December 27, 2011 08:15 AM (lir85)
Posted by: Troll Gingrich at December 27, 2011 08:15 AM (tJa5V)
Posted by: ace at December 27, 2011 08:15 AM (nj1bB)
Posted by: DarkLord© for Prez! at December 27, 2011 08:15 AM (GBXon)
Posted by: Y-not at December 27, 2011 08:15 AM (5H6zj)
Vinegar? Wait, you squirt vinegar in the air and then the underpants gnomes use it to clean or something? Ooooookay.
You know, H2 (the tv channel not those windowlickers the Hostages) is having Apocalypse Week this week. I'm becoming one with my sitting there rooting for the asteroids.
Posted by: alexthechick at December 27, 2011 08:15 AM (VtjlW)
The Republican party created this frankenstein.
Ron Paul wouldn't be shit today if the Republicans were just a tad bit more beholden to their republican principles.
Posted by: soothsayer at December 27, 2011 08:16 AM (G/zuv)
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at December 27, 2011 08:16 AM (9hSKh)
...which has long since been in the red.
Posted by: Troll Gingrich at December 27, 2011 12:12 PM (tJa5V)
Don't worry, the Prius is bringing that back.
Posted by: robtr at December 27, 2011 08:17 AM (MtwBb)
Posted by: Troll Gingrich at December 27, 2011 12:13 PM (tJa5V)
I am fascinated by how you did not even attempt to post an actual reply to Ace's post, but instead went "LA LA LA LA PAUL IS OUR SAVIOR", as so bloody many of Paul's supporters seem to.
Seriously, this is why people say "Paulbots" and no one bats an eye. It's bloody true o_O and it may well be that you do not even perceive it. Simply astonishing.
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at December 27, 2011 08:17 AM (EV7F3)
Work on your reading comprehension a bit, and you will discover that this post has some real, actual substance.
Using facts, please refute the "isolationist" charge.
Using facts, please refute the "ignorant of the facts of WWII" charge.
Using facts, please refute the suggestion, backed by many statements by the great Nor Luap, that he is, if not an anti-Semite, than one who feels comfortable with anti-Semites.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at December 27, 2011 08:17 AM (nEUpB)
even if Colonel Sanders puts chicken-craving chemicals into those chemtrails, are you?
That does explain the fortnightly thing.
Posted by: alexthechick at December 27, 2011 08:17 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Troll Gingrich at December 27, 2011 08:17 AM (tJa5V)
Might find out?
Seriously, who reads this blog and hasn't made up their mind on Paul one way or the other, must not have one to make if it's taking this long.
If we don't say the exact same thing though, literally every single day, sometimes to the exlcusion of all other news in the world besides open threads, well... we might forget him or something.
Posted by: Entropy, and if you don't agree you hate America and want Obama to win at December 27, 2011 08:17 AM (AuQqX)
Posted by: The Aluminum Foil Industry at December 27, 2011 08:18 AM (lir85)
So much for Europe. The Pacific was another matter, of course - the Japanese attacked us!
Oh wait - didn't we provoke that, same as 9/11. Our darned domestic policy of discrimination against the Japanese.
Guess we should have turned the other cheek; no real need to get into it at all.
Posted by: Handcuffed to the Bumper of a State Trooper's Ford at December 27, 2011 08:18 AM (tAwhy)
Posted by: ace at December 27, 2011 08:19 AM (nj1bB)
I don't think that is true ace. What I had always read was that FDR and Churchill discussed it and decided the best way to help the Jews was to beat the Germans and and free the Jews as quickly as possible. Diverteing resources to questionable projects like bombing the railroads leading to the camps would only delay ending the war.
And take that from someone who thinks FDR was the worst President in American history.
Posted by: Vic at December 27, 2011 08:19 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Troll Gingrich at December 27, 2011 08:19 AM (tJa5V)
The Virginia GOP is changing the rules mid-game to disqualify Gingrich and Perry, but we need to focus like a laser on the guy who has never cracked 5% or 1 E.V. in any of the 8 other POTUS races he perrenially loses.
Especially since he's retiring next year and leaving politics regardless.
It's very important, very time critical stuff.
Posted by: Entropy, and if you don't agree you hate America and want Obama to win at December 27, 2011 08:20 AM (AuQqX)
If Ron Paul had been President around WWII, who do you think would have been the first nation to get the atomic bomb and therefore become the established super-power of the 20th century?
That's all you need. Leo Szilard wouldn't have gotten 2 inches with Paul and most of the eventual nuclear knowhow would have been elsewhere, likely the USSR. Scary thought, that should be.
Posted by: really ... at December 27, 2011 08:20 AM (X3lox)
Posted by: Dr. Pap Smear at December 27, 2011 08:21 AM (lir85)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 27, 2011 08:22 AM (JYheX)
Posted by: maddogg at December 27, 2011 08:22 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: Max Power at December 27, 2011 08:22 AM (+wxCD)
Not that I am happy about it, but Ron Paul is my congressman, and I know the craziness to be true. He is just virtually inpossible to vote out of office. He is a congresssman for life down here.
The only good 2012 news I have heard so far (electorially speaking) is that I am pretty sure he is retiring from congress come what may from this presidential run.
Posted by: Advo at December 27, 2011 08:22 AM (7vbG1)
Posted by: Mr Pink at December 27, 2011 08:22 AM (HjrOL)
Posted by: Troll Gingrich at December 27, 2011 12:17 PM (tJa5V)
Only simpletons and fools never 'agree' with their opponents on anything, if 'agree' can be applied to the mutual understanding between sane conservatives and kook lefties about how much of a ****ing lunatic Senor Paul is.
Decrying your opponent when he speaks the truth is not something a man should pride himself on. With that said, yes, I agree with the MSM regarding Ron Paul in that he is a friggin' paranoid delusional idiot who dreams of keeping himself safe from evil by pretending it doesn't exist, and sucking up to evil men so that they butcher him last.
Yes, I agree with that analysis.
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at December 27, 2011 08:22 AM (EV7F3)
Posted by: willow at December 27, 2011 08:22 AM (h+qn8)
Apparently, even chickens have some dignity. Paulbots, not so much.
Posted by: mpurinTexas, Evil Conservanatrix, supports Rick Perry at December 27, 2011 08:22 AM (xH9Q6)
Posted by: Troll Gingrich at December 27, 2011 08:23 AM (tJa5V)
Thanks for playing, Ron. Now, go FOAD.
Posted by: © Sponge at December 27, 2011 08:23 AM (UK9cE)
Posted by: bernverdnardo at December 27, 2011 08:23 AM (xXhWA)
Posted by: Mr Pink at December 27, 2011 12:22 PM (HjrOL)
Is there any effective difference? o_O
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at December 27, 2011 08:23 AM (EV7F3)
So, Ron Paul's followers believe their guy can cleanse the sky. Clearly, these folks are nuts.
So, what does that make the follows of the guy who claims his candidacy will bring the oceans to recede?
Posted by: Brown Line at December 27, 2011 08:24 AM (VrNoa)
Posted by: Boxy Brown at December 27, 2011 08:24 AM (exCPD)
Actually we were already helping a lot. The U.S. Navy in the Atlantic were already escorting British convoys and were on an actual war footing. We had already fired on German U-boats prior to Pearl Harbor.
Like a lot of things, FDR was lying to the public.
Posted by: Vic at December 27, 2011 08:24 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: MaxMBJ at December 27, 2011 08:25 AM (deaac)
i'll beg . please don't nominate rp. i'll even say eleventy
Beg me not to nominate Huntsman.
Also beg me not to turn the ionosphere into marshmellow.
Posted by: Entropy, and if you don't agree you hate America and want Obama to win at December 27, 2011 08:25 AM (AuQqX)
Posted by: Big T Party at December 27, 2011 08:25 AM (hC5jI)
Posted by: Mr Pink at December 27, 2011 08:25 AM (HjrOL)
>"For example, he strenuously does not believe the United States had any business getting involved in fighting Hitler in WWII."
The history books record that Germany declared war on the United States, not the other way around. When a power like Germany, with hundreds of U-Boats, declares it's open season on your shipping your only option is to fight back and win.
Posted by: Speller at December 27, 2011 08:26 AM (J74Py)
Especially since he's retiring next year and leaving politics regardless.
Which is why he's running for President? Soooooo the plan is that he gets elected and then quits right after the inauguration?
Posted by: alexthechick at December 27, 2011 08:26 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: maddogg at December 27, 2011 08:26 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: © Sponge at December 27, 2011 12:11 PM (UK9cE)
The newsletters were boob bait for the bubbas. Lew Rockwell writes all of the conspiracy stuff to bring in the money and devoted support and Ron Talks about mainstream issues and "libertarianism."
He hasn't actually done anything about anything. Everything about him is hypothetical policy positions with no follow through. He doesn't propose legislation or even negotiate legislation other than to cynically and hypocritically throw in earmarks for his district.
I think his "libertarianism" is all lip-service, a beard for his wacky foreign policy views. Almost as if he read how libertarians oppose all foreign aid and so he jumped on to the bandwagon because he wanted to screw Israel.
The problem is that, like some parody of Icarus, he rose too high and the libertarian wax holding on his feathers of racism, anti-semitism and paranoia melted away and, with any luck, he will collapse in a heap.
Posted by: AmishDude at December 27, 2011 08:26 AM (uQsdD)
Posted by: Vic at December 27, 2011 12:19 PM (YdQQY)
Screw you.
Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at December 27, 2011 08:26 AM (nEUpB)
What Ron Paul Believes: USA, Canada, And Mexico Will Merge
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at December 27, 2011 08:27 AM (9hSKh)
Posted by: Troll Gingrich at December 27, 2011 08:27 AM (tJa5V)
Posted by: Mr Pink at December 27, 2011 08:27 AM (HjrOL)
Paul's appeal is that he can brag about being the single vote, as he does in that one video, because we're all so sick of this business-as-usual, go-along-to-get-along that keeps happening even when we finally succeed in voting in some Tea Party candidates who promise it will be different. Nevertheless, being the consistent lone dissenter is nothing that evidences fitness for any other government position than godhead.
I don't know that Ron Paul is or is not crazy, but don't let him make you so. He's not going to win the nomination, and he certainly can't beat Barack Obama. Do the conservatives want 1964 again--not only a beating but a landslide mandate for an Obama second term in which he also won't have to worry about being re-elected?
There's not going to be anything left to salvage if that happens--at least not for a couple of decades.
Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at December 27, 2011 08:28 AM (VdvP/)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 27, 2011 08:28 AM (8y9MW)
Keep sucking the Goldman Sachs dick.
Its not Herpes! Its capitalism! (err, hardcore corporate socialism).
Posted by: Troll Gingrich at December 27, 2011 12:27 PM (tJa5V)
*yawn*
=-= Wow, you got boring fast. Nothing's more tiresome than a troll who fancies himself gifted with Spartan wit.
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at December 27, 2011 08:28 AM (EV7F3)
Posted by: Troll Gingrich at December 27, 2011 08:28 AM (tJa5V)
(Commenter is defending the validity of the geoengineering conspiracy)
Despite their belief that vinegar would “kill” a chemtrail, their idiotic belief that this will help them, does not in any way mean that chemtrails (or as it is really called by the Government: Geo-Engineering) are non-existent, and that it is just contrails from jet engines.
Now tell me, would this be a considered a credible source for such information?
*link to Rolling Stone magazine article which pixy will not allow through because it's a long string of letters....."
BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!!! Yeah, Rolling Stone magazine is, without a doubt, my primary "go-to" resource for well-researched and not-insane-at-all scientific papers
Posted by: wiserbud at December 27, 2011 08:28 AM (gCa4h)
Posted by: Troll Gingrich at December 27, 2011 12:27 PM (tJa5V)
Not till I'm finished!
* gurgle gurgle *
Posted by: King Barry at December 27, 2011 08:29 AM (X3lox)
Which is why he's running for President? Soooooo the plan is that he gets elected and then quits right after the inauguration?
Quit the bullshit.
I would have thought you smart enough than to go around thinking his plan is to get elected at all.
He's done like like 15 times. Not to mention Herman Cain, Steve Forbes and a billion other people.
Posted by: Entropy, and if you don't agree you hate America and want Obama to win at December 27, 2011 08:29 AM (AuQqX)
Posted by: ace at December 27, 2011 08:29 AM (nj1bB)
FDR made a unilateral decision not to bomb the railroads running to the concentration camps. He was also dismissive of the intelligence showing that the Nazis were systematically murdering the Jews of Europe. There is also some new scholarship showing a more active anti-Semitic tone to FDR's behavior and decisions.
By the way, I think that you are 100% correct that he was the worst president in our history.
Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at December 27, 2011 08:29 AM (nEUpB)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at December 27, 2011 08:30 AM (nEUpB)
Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at December 27, 2011 08:30 AM (tJa5V)
People don't want any more bullshit war or hardcore corporate welfare for the oligarchs.
Just sweet, sweet earmarks. And anti-semitism zionism.
Posted by: nickless at December 27, 2011 08:31 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Brown Line at December 27, 2011 12:24 PM (VrNoa
I'm sure most of the sky cleaners voted for the 'Bam in '08. Now he's "the man", so they're onto Paul.
Posted by: bernverdnardo at December 27, 2011 08:31 AM (xXhWA)
Posted by: ace at December 27, 2011 08:31 AM (nj1bB)
The plan is to campaign for money and then drop out of the race and keep the money. Just like he's done for the past 100 years or so. Running for president is the job, not being the president.
At least this time he's retiring.
Posted by: mpurinTexas, Evil Conservanatrix, supports Rick Perry at December 27, 2011 08:32 AM (xH9Q6)
Posted by: soothsayer at December 27, 2011 12:16 PM (G/zuv)
Interesting. You could pin Ron Paul on people like Dick Lugar, who seem to think that it is their mission to repress conservatism because he finds it so vulgar. Thus people search for stridency and cling to a Ron Paul, who they don't carefully investigate. I won't reject that theory.
Posted by: AmishDude at December 27, 2011 08:32 AM (uQsdD)
Posted by: Mr. Bingley at December 27, 2011 08:32 AM (OXWdU)
Posted by: Troll Gingrich at December 27, 2011 08:33 AM (tJa5V)
Posted by: A Liberal AoSHQ Reader, Really! at December 27, 2011 08:33 AM (pVE7Y)
But, but, Ace. Chemtrails are real. Just go outside and look up. They're especially heavy around major international airports.
Actually, If RP wins, I see a very profitable career in vinegar sales. Between the chemtrails and the douche industry I see millions to be made.
Posted by: Soona at December 27, 2011 08:33 AM (W/Zyi)
Obama Golfs for the 90th Time as President: After an hour of hiking, President Obama Monday got down to the serious business at hand, heading out to golf for the second day in his first three days of vacation. He was back on the course at Marine Corps Base Hawaii. With this one, Obama reaches a new milestone, having gone golfing 90 times in less than three years as president. That’s about three months of golf, given that the excursions generally take about five hours – much of the useful portion of the day. What’s more, it’s the 32nd time he’s been on the links this year, a record for the president. His 32 outings eclipses the 2010 mark of 30 and is far ahead of his 2009 tally of 28 rounds as president. And remember, there are still five days left in the year for Obama to pad his new record, which he almost certainly will. So you lazy Ass Mo Fo's get back to work so I can spend your God Forsaken tax dollars..Yo Son's of Bitches !!!!!
Posted by: Barry "The Maximum Leader" Obama at December 27, 2011 08:33 AM (48wze)
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at December 27, 2011 08:33 AM (4HrTB)
even if Colonel Sanders puts chicken-craving chemicals into those chemtrails, are you?
That does explain the fortnightly thing.
Posted by: alexthechickLOL
Alexthechick,
"Lets get pissed!"
I love that movie.
Posted by: mpfs, I hate my neighbor who parks in my spot at December 27, 2011 08:34 AM (iYbLN)
if you want to reduce support for Ron Paul amoung conservatives, then produce a conservative nominee, or you can just sit back and watch as the establishment RINO's tear the Party to shreds just so they get what they want.
Romney nor Gingrich is even remotely acceptable.
Posted by: The DOOM!® you didn't see coming! at December 27, 2011 08:34 AM (m6OUa)
Posted by: mike at December 27, 2011 08:34 AM (0hdwM)
Keep hammering until the mental switch flips. A lot of his supporters seem to be thinking: Anybody who thinks this is crazy, Ron Paul isn't crazy, therefore he doesn't really think this. If there's time to do it, that can that can be switched to: Anybody who this this is crazy, Ron Paul thinks this, therefore Ron Paul is crazy.
Posted by: Heorot at December 27, 2011 08:34 AM (cDEDH)
windowlickers?
Madame, I most respectfully disagree with your conclusion regarding the intelligence and wit of the denizens of our fine blog.
Our decision, wherein we allow Dave In Texas to comment there, should in no way be considered evidence that we are all, in fact, "windowlickers."
I will patiently await your apology forthwith.
Posted by: wiserbud at December 27, 2011 08:35 AM (gCa4h)
Or maybe look at the country turning to shit around you...a nation of places not worth caring about whilst trillions go into the black hole of the pentagon.
Posted by: Troll Gingrich at December 27, 2011 12:23 PM (tJa5V)
Are you hear to actually bring up something of substance or are you just here to fling poo everywhere and run away?
Posted by: © Sponge at December 27, 2011 08:35 AM (UK9cE)
Taken with the above post in mind, we can conclude that Glenn Beck, too, may well be a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure. Oh, and his whole visit-to-Israel thing? Yeah, good times.
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at December 27, 2011 08:35 AM (EV7F3)
Well, VA (being an open primary AND a proportional delegate state) has guaranteed that a buttload of their delegates will be Paultards.
Posted by: AmishDude at December 27, 2011 08:35 AM (uQsdD)
Posted by: Mr Pink at December 27, 2011 08:35 AM (HjrOL)
Great Britain was begging for our help and we refused
In addition to Lend-Lease, the USN was conducting an undeclared naval war in the N. Atlantic against the Kriegsmarine in the spring thru fall of 1941.
Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie © at December 27, 2011 08:36 AM (cYzZf)
Posted by: mike at December 27, 2011 08:36 AM (0hdwM)
I won't reject that theory.
And you should not, ol chum. The Republicans are all guilty of playing the game. Big Govt = Big Payoffs.
Posted by: soothsayer at December 27, 2011 08:37 AM (G/zuv)
I'll say in advance that this will get me beaten up but I like having Ron Paul in the race. He isn't presidential material but the canidates now get questions about what departements to close. The Federal Reserve does not operate in the dark (as much). As far as new money, look at the TSA and the ATF and American citizens in Gitmo and tell me that there is anything beyond the bureaucrats in DC. My husband was in Stuggart, Germany and there are 14 (14!) US military bases there. Why?
Our debt is 100% of GDP - there is no money.
Posted by: HK babe at December 27, 2011 08:37 AM (frDtf)
*raises hand
I do.
Posted by: wiserbud at December 27, 2011 08:37 AM (gCa4h)
Quit the bullshit.
I would have thought you smart enough than to go around thinking his plan is to get elected at all.
No, you stop the shit. From what I can make of it, your position is that we shouldn't take Ron Paul seriously because hey, he's quitting politics anyway. You will forgive me if I point out that it is a bit much to claim he's leaving politics and isn't serious when he's running for the Presidency. Yes, I do believe that those who are running for office plan to get elected to that office. Sure, that may be far fetched but if you run for something you need to believe that you can win it.
I am smart enough to presume that someone who is currently leading in some polls for the nomination for the Presidency would like to be President. You are the one who appears to believe this is all some type of cynical attention getting ploy.
Why do I take this seriously? Go back to around this time in 2007 and tell me who thought that Obama had a chance at getting the nom. IIRC, the presumption was that the Clinton machine would annihilate his candidacy. We see how that worked out.
Posted by: alexthechick at December 27, 2011 08:38 AM (VtjlW)
Well, even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Roosevelt kept provoking Germany and Japan until they decided to fight back. Their actions were completely legitimate given what he was doing, cutting off Japan's world trade and shooting any German submarine on sight. We wouldn't hesistate to declare war if someone did that to us.
Posted by: Chris at December 27, 2011 08:39 AM (xzLHn)
Posted by: theCork at December 27, 2011 08:39 AM (zL5Q1)
The Chemtrail Menace will not be stamped out by the next president either.
Better stock up on vinegar, before sales are banned. Of course an IRS agent with dead eyes, like a doll's eyes, may still ask why you have so much of it.
Posted by: Waterhouse at December 27, 2011 08:40 AM (4Tv/B)
Posted by: Mr. Bingley at December 27, 2011 12:32 PM (OXWdU)
Nah, he's Dale from King of the Hill.
Posted by: bernverdnardo at December 27, 2011 08:40 AM (xXhWA)
Posted by: mpfs, I hate my neighbor who parks in my spot at December 27, 2011 12:34 PM (iYbLN)
Ask politely, once.
Then get them towed.
Posted by: garrett at December 27, 2011 08:40 AM (ZQz4W)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 27, 2011 12:22 PM (JYheX)
I hope so; those fucking hayseeds can all die in a fire. Except my relatives through marriage.
Posted by: Captain Hate at December 27, 2011 08:41 AM (9AVhU)
My dog has been looking at me strangely lately and I'm concerned that the Jews have her in their employ. She won't take treats from my hand anymore and has been living way beyond her means. She has really nice chew toys, and I know I didn't buy them for her. She also clams up whenever I'm in the room, and just looks lazily out the window or licks herself. Clearly she's hiding something. What should I do?
Posted by: pep at December 27, 2011 08:41 AM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: mike at December 27, 2011 08:41 AM (0hdwM)
Posted by: Troll Gingrich at December 27, 2011 08:41 AM (tJa5V)
Ah, but President RON PAUL wouldn't have been.
And would happily let Britain, France, and the rest of Europe fall, but he would have been a big brave fightin' man when the rest of the world, united under the Axis, came a knockin' at our door.
Posted by: nickless at December 27, 2011 08:41 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 27, 2011 08:42 AM (4df7R)
wiserbud, you have my most abject apologies. You are correct, not all of you are windowlickers. Some are paste eaters while others are dweebies, not to mention those who are wastoids. I most certainly apologize for crossing those streams.
Posted by: alexthechick at December 27, 2011 08:43 AM (VtjlW)
This is what the Luap Nor crowd keeps seeming to forget. Hitler was not at all shy about stating that he wanted to take over the world. All of it. Including the Americas.
I don't know that FDR's pre-official-involvement policies were the right ones, but I don't know that they were the wrong ones, either.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 27, 2011 08:43 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: nickless at December 27, 2011 12:41 PM (MMC8r)
With nukes, eventually, as we never would have developed them.
Posted by: really ... at December 27, 2011 08:44 AM (X3lox)
He bubbles and froths like a pile of baking soda.
Posted by: Heorot at December 27, 2011 08:44 AM (cDEDH)
Posted by: Troll Gingrich at December 27, 2011 12:41 PM (tJa5V)
What exactly counts as the "most radical elements of Israel?" I hear this type of phrase bandied about constantly, but no one ever actually explains what they mean. So, TG - please feel free to do so. We're all agog.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 27, 2011 08:44 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Chris at December 27, 2011 08:44 AM (3GtyG)
This guy is an unhealthy reminder that at a time of diminishing freedoms the looney toons roam freely amongst us.
If anyone really wants an example of teh zany....
Posted by: ontherocks at December 27, 2011 08:44 AM (HBqDo)
Posted by: mike at December 27, 2011 08:44 AM (0hdwM)
IÂ’m rather disappointed that no one has emerged with an Imperialist agenda.
They would have my vote.
Posted by: jwest at December 27, 2011 08:45 AM (8moZm)
Posted by: Y-not at December 27, 2011 12:11 PM (5H6zj)
I know at least one dedicated libertarian and RP supporter (at least, he was a couple years ago) who I know to be a decent and honorable person who simply tends to focus on economics to the exclusion of all else. He is a CPA who studies economics for fun, so I can understand why he likes/liked RP. That is the one area where RP actually makes sense, after all.
However, most hard-core Big-L Libertarians strike me as bizarro-world liberals. They have a Marx-like focus on economics, assuming that all aspects of society are dependent on the exchange of material wealth with no real thought for other aspects human interactions (the argument that marriage is just an agreement to exchange sex for material support strikes me as a good example), and have a naive faith in the goodness of human beings if only the markets were free and government was gone. This is why so many advocate a what amounts to anarchy (law but no way to enforce it save for private security, etc.) without realizing that such a situation would look more like Afghanistan or medieval Iceland, where people band together for security and low-level warfare is common.
Posted by: The Coyote at December 27, 2011 08:45 AM (sEvRn)
Posted by: Bill at December 27, 2011 08:45 AM (IlAiJ)
Posted by: mpfs, I hate my neighbor who parks in my spot at December 27, 2011 08:45 AM (iYbLN)
Posted by: Chris at December 27, 2011 08:46 AM (3GtyG)
Posted by: Troll Gingrich at December 27, 2011 08:46 AM (tJa5V)
I'll say in advance that this will get me beaten up but I like having Ron Paul in the race. He isn't presidential material but the canidates now get questions about what departements to close. The Federal Reserve does not operate in the dark (as much). As far as new money, look at the TSA and the ATF and American citizens in Gitmo and tell me that there is anything beyond the bureaucrats in DC. My husband was in Stuggart, Germany and there are 14 (14!) US military bases there. Why?
Racist jew hater.
Posted by: Entropy, and if you don't agree you hate America and want Obama to win at December 27, 2011 08:46 AM (AuQqX)
Thank you
Now, please excuse me, as it is getting past lunchtime and my paste is getting cold....
Posted by: wiserbud at December 27, 2011 08:46 AM (gCa4h)
Posted by: Quilly Mammoth at December 27, 2011 08:46 AM (hcBd6)
Posted by: Bannable at December 27, 2011 08:46 AM (FXiHS)
IÂ’m rather disappointed that no one has emerged with an Imperialist agenda.
They would have my vote.
Posted by: jwest at December 27, 2011 12:45 PM (8moZm)
I'm one inch away from leaping on that bandwagon with you, jwest.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 27, 2011 08:47 AM (4df7R)
Troll Gingrich at December 27, 2011 12:41 PM (tJa5V) OK. How about 9/11 theories? How about chemtrails? What if he didn't question the "radical" elements of Israel (whatever that is), but it's right to exist at all?
You can't make Paul sound reasonable. He's just a kook.
Posted by: bernverdnardo at December 27, 2011 08:47 AM (xXhWA)
Posted by: Troll Gingrich at December 27, 2011 08:47 AM (tJa5V)
What really saddens me is that the Media has made Ron Paul the 'face of Libertarians...
Its like making those Westboro Folks the face of Christianity...
There are many, like myself, who believe we are overextented throughout the World, and have bankrupted ourself defending people who don't like us...
Not full blown Isolationist, but I think the balance is way too far towards worldwide policing and intervention... and we are overextended and have been breaking our Military trying to Build countries... not just punish our enemies (then leave)...
But anyone who espouses ANY pullback, is suddenly labeled an Isolationist loon... a Ron Paul Nut....
Or like the War on Drugs (which has failed while subverting Liberty)... any question of it makes you a whacko... and someone who wants to Legalize ALL drugs...
I note that although the Founders had MANY who would now be labeled Libertarians... neither major Political party does anymore than Lip Service to those ideas...
Posted by: Romeo13 at December 27, 2011 08:47 AM (NtXW4)
That would be the likes of Likud and Netanyahu, obviously. The reason most American Jews vote for Democrats (to your dismay) is because they are liberal and trend secular, i.e. they are peace loving people embarrassed by the horeshit done in their name.
Go Fuck Your Mother.
Posted by: garrett at December 27, 2011 08:47 AM (ZQz4W)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 27, 2011 08:48 AM (8y9MW)
bama. And he is making us look like nutcakes also. The firs thing Republicans should do is disavow him and also shit can all these primaries/caucus that allow non-republicans to take part.Posted by: nevergiveup at December 27, 2011 08:48 AM (i6RpT)
Posted by: AmishDude
If this is what the Republican party has become I'm moving to Canada. There is something to be said for being America's attic.
Posted by: mpfs, I hate my neighbor who parks in my spot at December 27, 2011 08:48 AM (iYbLN)
Jib. Cut. Newsletter.
Posted by: DarkLord© for Prez! at December 27, 2011 08:48 AM (GBXon)
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at December 27, 2011 08:49 AM (4HrTB)
Posted by: Troll Gingrich at December 27, 2011 08:49 AM (tJa5V)
Because your husband and his fellow servicemen like beer and pretzels served by pretty blonds with huge bazooms that literally fall out of their dirndls and into their laps.
Huh? I don't get it. Is this an insult to my husband or the military? I want to know who I should be offended for. I see no value in the US defending Germany with our blood and treasure while we slowly bleed our wealth away.
Posted by: HK babe at December 27, 2011 08:49 AM (frDtf)
Posted by: willow at December 27, 2011 08:49 AM (h+qn8)
Do you have the slightest fucking clue what Japan was doing in Asia prior to 1941?
Posted by: Waterhouse at December 27, 2011 08:49 AM (4Tv/B)
That would be the likes of Likud and Netanyahu, obviously. The reason most American Jews vote for Democrats (to your dismay) is because they are liberal and trend secular, i.e. they are peace loving people embarrassed by the horeshit done in their name.
Go Fuck Your Mother.
Posted by: garrettIt has no mother. It was hatched.
Posted by: mpfs, I hate my neighbor who parks in my spot at December 27, 2011 08:49 AM (iYbLN)
Posted by: brak at December 27, 2011 08:49 AM (giiOr)
Posted by: Droll Gangrenich at December 27, 2011 08:51 AM (X3lox)
Posted by: Troll Gingrich at December 27, 2011 12:46 PM (tJa5V)
That doesn't answer my question, Troll. What about Likud and Netanyahu do you find to be "radical?" Besides their desire to keep Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, the refusal to allow palestinians to return en masse, and their lack of enthusiasm for supporting a herd of people whose charter includes the utter destruction of Israel as a primary goal of their existence? Please, tell me.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 27, 2011 08:51 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: yankeefifth at December 27, 2011 08:51 AM (loM0R)
Huh? I don't get it. Is this an insult to my husband or the military? I want to know who I should be offended for.
How about no one and you get that it was a joke spoofing on the fact that if we are going to have bases in Germany, better to have them around lovely frauleins than not.
Posted by: alexthechick at December 27, 2011 08:51 AM (VtjlW)
Well, even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Roosevelt kept provoking Germany and Japan until they decided to fight back. Their actions were completely legitimate given what he was doing, cutting off Japan's world trade and shooting any German submarine on sight. We wouldn't hesistate to declare war if someone did that to us.
Posted by: Chris at December 27, 2011 12:39 PM (xzLHn)
You need to read the whole story instead of just repeating half of it. But I guess it's the half that's being taught in our education system.
Just the same. Do yourself a favor and find out why we were cutting Japan off.
Posted by: Soona at December 27, 2011 08:52 AM (W/Zyi)
Do you have the slightest fucking clue what Japan was doing in Asia prior to 1941?
Posted by: Waterhouse
Apparently they skipped history class the week they mentioned the atrocities the Japanese committed. I know Filipinos and Chinese who to this day, second and third generation removed from the war, who will not give the time of day to the Japanese. They loathe them and with good reason. The brutality was incredible.
Posted by: mpfs, I hate my neighbor who parks in my spot at December 27, 2011 08:52 AM (iYbLN)
His base is an assorted mash of weak minded followers. They hail from any number of obscure movements that range from conspiracy theorists to Gold Bugs to Nazis. Some are ugly and violent, some are harmless and pathetic, but they are all looking to a collective to lose themselves in.
His support in the polls is a protest against the GOP and the slate of candidates. Those people should be a little ashamed for using this old man and his vulnerable followers to send a message of protest. They will eventually abandon him when he's no longer of any use. He will do well in the caucus states where his base has formed ranks, then his campaign will fizzle and disappear.
Posted by: runninrebel at December 27, 2011 08:52 AM (bI3Cc)
I don't see any words from him where he says we got into WWII to save the Jews. What I see is this:
"We didn't fight WW2 to end the Holocaust, of course. FDR specifically
rejected any actions which might reduce the German's Jew-murdering
machine.
But Ron Paul seems to believe we did. It's always the Jews."
What follows is hearsay, but more importantly, it seems to be in response to someone's asking whether we should have entered the war to save the Jews. Saying as a matter of principle the US should not enter wars purely to stop ethnic cleansing is--or at least was until recently--mainstream conservatism.
In any case, I'm not here to defend Paul. Given I'm telling you not to waste time on him, why would I not follow my own advice? I just hate to see you getting so worked up by Randites that you're swinging at pitches out of the strike zone.
I'm not endorsing anyone currently and don't know who I prefer between Romney and Perry. If I could be certain he'd win, however, I'd take Perry.
Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at December 27, 2011 08:52 AM (VdvP/)
Posted by: Waterhouse
Making friends. It was a cultural thing.
Posted by: Ron Paul at December 27, 2011 08:53 AM (X3lox)
Posted by: yankeefifth at December 27, 2011 08:53 AM (loM0R)
Posted by: brak at December 27, 2011 12:49 PM (giiOr)
Who will save us from the evil lord Xenu!?
Posted by: Tom Cruise at December 27, 2011 08:53 AM (ZQz4W)
Like a lot of things, FDR was lying to the public.
Posted by: Vic at December 27, 2011 12:24 PM (YdQQY)
So does this make Obama the 3rd greatest POTUS ever?
Posted by: MrCaniac at December 27, 2011 08:53 AM (uuOfy)
Posted by: brak at December 27, 2011 12:49 PM (giiOr)
ZERG RUSH!
Posted by: akornzombie at December 27, 2011 08:54 AM (lcgKV)
Well, on this... you kind of have to be, to be "consistent" and "principled." Either you believe that the Government has the right to prohibit the possession, sale, and use of drugs, or you don't. If you don't, you can't say, "well, except for those drugs. Which are icky."
Now, the thing is, there is actually a reasonable argument for "legalizing" all drugs: it's called Personal Responsibility. If you're hopped up on Coke or whatever and commit a crime, then you're guilty of committing a crime. The same is (or at least should be) true of being drunk and harming (or killing) someone because you were driving and shouldn't have been. Or killing someone in a drunken rage, or whatever. We already have laws against those behaviors, we don't need laws against behaviors which may-or-may-not lead to behaviors we've already outlawed.
Sadly, on this, the Republican option is the "middle road." We believe that the State has the right to regulate the use of drugs- but that it gets to decides which drugs to regulate to what extent. As a principle matter, that doesn't really hold up. As a practical matter, it's a little better.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 27, 2011 08:54 AM (8y9MW)
When my kids were in Highschool.... their history books had about six pages of the aftermath of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. A paragraph on our oil embargo and not one goddamned word about Nanking.
Posted by: fixerupper at December 27, 2011 08:54 AM (C8hzL)
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at December 27, 2011 08:54 AM (FKQng)
Posted by: Master Chief John 117 at December 27, 2011 08:55 AM (GBXon)
...And I'm willing to vote for any bug-fuck crazy, anti-Semitic, lying, hypocritical loon who says he will stop that from happening, even if there is no way he ever can or, quite frankly, wants to!!!
Posted by: Troll Paultard who smells of vinegar at December 27, 2011 08:55 AM (gCa4h)
Apparently they skipped history class the week they mentioned the atrocities the Japanese committed.
I was giving someone a very very very cleaned up version of the Rape of Nanking and I was accused of making up war crimes against the Japanese because I was racist. This person literally would not believe me when I tried to explain what actually took place.
Posted by: alexthechick at December 27, 2011 08:55 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: theCork at December 27, 2011 12:39 PM (zL5Q1)
And just between you and me....I'm exhausted from all my sooper sekret Joo meetings and cabals.
Posted by: mpfs, I hate my neighbor who parks in my spot at December 27, 2011 08:55 AM (iYbLN)
Posted by: Boxy Brown at December 27, 2011 08:55 AM (exCPD)
Posted by: Troll Gingrich at December 27, 2011 08:55 AM (tJa5V)
Posted by: Brock O'Bama at December 27, 2011 08:55 AM (n1JN0)
Posted by: yankeefifth at December 27, 2011 08:56 AM (loM0R)
Posted by: Troll Gingrich at December 27, 2011 12:28 PM (tJa5V)
The complete lack of self-awareness is truly a wonder to behold.
Posted by: gebrauchshund at December 27, 2011 08:56 AM (iYwUw)
Posted by: Mr Pink at December 27, 2011 08:56 AM (HjrOL)
160 IÂ’m rather disappointed that no one has emerged with an Imperialist agenda.
Jib. Cut. Newsletter.
Posted by: DarkLord© for Prez! at December 27, 2011 12:48 PM (GBXon)
Now that I know what kind of money can be made in the newsletter business, look for the upcoming link of the American Imperialist.
Posted by: jwest at December 27, 2011 08:57 AM (8moZm)
Entropy, you've done enough catching. I'd be happy to let you pitch too.
Well...assuming you aren't one of The Tribe! We'll use gold to pay for the hotel!
Posted by: RON PAUL!!! at December 27, 2011 08:58 AM (yPNqR)
Posted by: Master Chief John 117 at December 27, 2011 08:58 AM (GBXon)
I was giving someone a very very very cleaned up
version of the Rape of Nanking and I was accused of making up war crimes
against the Japanese because I was racist. This person literally would
not believe me when I tried to explain what actually took place. Posted by: alexthechick at December 27, 2011 12:55 PM
That stuff happened like, a hundred years ago.
Posted by: Ezra Klein at December 27, 2011 08:58 AM (lXi+d)
Posted by: ace at December 27, 2011 08:58 AM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Troll Gingrich at December 27, 2011 12:55 PM (tJa5V)
And the US has always been utterly unique in the world in many ways (not least of which the basic architecture of our governance). So what? Do you need to follow the crowd (and the "world crowd" is one especially stupid group to be following)? Go live in Europe. They're much more your speed out there. Actually, just about every country on Earth is more you r speed because the US is so unique. You must be incredibly embarrassed by all the positions the US has which are at odds with the rest of the world, the rest of the nations that are closer to your ideal than this one you refuse to leave but love to hate.
Posted by: really ... at December 27, 2011 08:59 AM (X3lox)
Posted by: MAJHAM at December 27, 2011 09:00 AM (DElJn)
Wait, what? Did I miss the part where we lost the war in the Pacific?
It wouldn't even have been the fight it was if we'd been more careful about Pearl Harbor.
Newsflash: Having a war means there will be casualties. Sometimes it even means that you lose battles. This in no way indicates that your military has no "hope of countering [a] shit storm" because of your diplomatic policies.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 27, 2011 09:00 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: nevergiveup at December 27, 2011 09:00 AM (i6RpT)
Posted by: ace at December 27, 2011 09:02 AM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Troll Gingrich at December 27, 2011 12:55 PM (tJa5V)
Hey, Paulbot. In case you haven't noticed, the entire middle east has tried to wipe out Israel on multiple occasions. They also want to do that to us, in case you've been living under a rock for the last thirty years or so.
Self defense is not a crime, numbnuts.
Posted by: akornzombie at December 27, 2011 09:02 AM (lcgKV)
Posted by: real joe at December 27, 2011 09:02 AM (ixAVa)
Posted by: bernverdnardo at December 27, 2011 09:02 AM (xXhWA)
Sooooo, I've been wondering, how do I get in on those meetings? I could use the extra cash. The whole blond haired, blue eyed thing won't be a problem will it? Cause, I mean, just let it GO already, kay? Thanks.
Posted by: pep at December 27, 2011 09:02 AM (6TB1Z)
August 1988
Dear Friends of Ayn,
It has come to my attention that lobbyists are pushing for seat belt laws in all states. These are the worst type of special interest groups. They hide under the guise of public safety but their true purpose is to fill the pockets of the men on Wall Street.
These "executives" want to sell seat belts and their partners in government want the revenue from citations. Because of this they are making citizens lawbreakers and involuntary patrons of the Seat Belt Barons in New York.
Send me $5 to fight these lobbyists. Send me $10 and we can send them back where they came from, if you know what I mean, and I think you do.
--Ron Paul
Posted by: Ron Paul Newsletter at December 27, 2011 09:03 AM (G/zuv)
That's more of an indictment against the other nations of the world rather than us, given that Israel's only "crime" is defending itself against virtually the entire Arab world, which has no less than 3 times try to overtly destroy the Jewish state.
The Ronulans' arguments are comprised mostly of sophistry, seasoned liberally with doses of historical and contextual ignorance.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at December 27, 2011 09:03 AM (9hSKh)
If you're a guy, there's a procedure you may have to undergo...
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 27, 2011 09:03 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: mike at December 27, 2011 09:04 AM (0hdwM)
I was giving someone a very very very cleaned up version of the Rape of Nanking and I was accused of making up war crimes against the Japanese because I was racist. This person literally would not believe me when I tried to explain what actually took place.
Posted by: alexthechick at December 27, 2011 12:55 PM (VtjlW)
*sigh* I can believe it. Some people are just idiots. And if you show them pictures of what happened at Nanking, they'll say you're spreading propaganda.
It's the same when you mention to people that white men didn't just go cruising into Africa to steal black people for slavery. Most of those slaves were sold to the whites by other black Africans. And many parts of Africa still have slavery to this day. But you try and tell anyone that and they refuse to listen. You can actually see the information go in one ear and zoom out the other. It never gets past their filters.
If you look at the Japan of today it's hard to believe how truly brutal they were in the last century, not to mention the centuries before that. But that's why history is so important. Japan only loosened up after the West went in and shook them up, and one reason the West went in was because of the atrocities the Japanese visited upon their neighbors. If you ignore that latter point, cause and effect become disconnected from one another, and the painful history is forgotten, and those who suffered are done a monumental disservice.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 27, 2011 09:04 AM (4df7R)
>The chemtrail/vinegar thing is hysterical - literally
I don't get the reference- somebody clue me in?
Posted by: Jones at December 27, 2011 09:04 AM (8sCoq)
Follow-up: Does that bother you?
Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at December 27, 2011 09:04 AM (VdvP/)
Posted by: My Left Nut at December 27, 2011 09:04 AM (bI3Cc)
Troll, if you consider building houses in your country, or stopping rocket launchers from pumping missiles into your country "extreme", then it's pretty clear how you and Paul expect those Jews to behave. You have to be completely blinded by bigotry, and I can't imagine that most people are. You and Paul are weirdos.
Posted by: bernverdnardo at December 27, 2011 09:05 AM (xXhWA)
Me too, I have all these nice designs for a "United States of Earth" of earth flag.
Posted by: Berserker at December 27, 2011 09:05 AM (FMbng)
Legalized drugs + a welfare state.
Brilliant!
Want to legalize drugs? Fine, show me how potheads and methheads and crackheads will pay the price for their poor choices rather than me and you have yourself a deal.
Posted by: AmishDude at December 27, 2011 09:05 AM (uQsdD)
If you're a guy, there's a procedure you may have to undergo...
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 27, 2011 01:03 PM (8y9MW)
Factoid:
That was the world's first passport for a modern nation-state.
Posted by: really ... at December 27, 2011 09:06 AM (X3lox)
One of the larger understatements ever.
Posted by: pep at December 27, 2011 09:06 AM (6TB1Z)
Dear Friends,
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Posted by: Ron Paul Newsletter at December 27, 2011 09:07 AM (G/zuv)
We have a dozen perfectly good aircraft carriers. Why not use them to improve the bottom line?
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Posted by: jwest at December 27, 2011 09:07 AM (8moZm)
I didn't actually say that- I was just pointing out you don't have to be crazy to support drug legalization. Which I do believe.
And, yes, there are lots of problems with legalizing drugs- to the point I'm pretty sure this is one door we can't close: the Government gets to regulate drugs. To remove that power now would probably cause more problems than it solves.
Reasonable arguments are not necessarily persuasive, just reasonable.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 27, 2011 09:07 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 27, 2011 12:54 PM (8y9MW)
Except it misses the key arguement, which is effectivness.
The Government took this power unto itself... but drug use is not really down in this country, just underground. I can still go out an buy pot anytime I want... or other harder substances...
So... we decreased Liberty,to gain Saftey... but did NOT get safer IMO...
Its like the Cell phone law in California... the law is you have to use Hands Free technology, yet I constantly see people with phones planted in their ear driving down the Freeway.... so does the law make us effectivly safer? NO... but it sure helps insurance companies...
I'm a Small L libertarian... and am willing to give up 'some' Freedom for saftey... but not if I give it up and gain NOTHING. I guess it depends on where you want to draw the line...
Posted by: Romeo13 at December 27, 2011 09:07 AM (NtXW4)
>The chemtrail/vinegar thing is hysterical - literally
I don't get the reference- somebody clue me in?
Posted by: Jones at December 27, 2011 01:04 PM (8sCoq)
They think the contrails left by jets as they cruise overhead are actually chemicals being sprayed, the purpose of which is to make you stupid/try to kill you/insert random loony idea here.
Apparently condensation is a concept they are unfamiliar with.
Posted by: akornzombie at December 27, 2011 09:07 AM (lcgKV)
Posted by: mike at December 27, 2011 09:07 AM (0hdwM)
I was giving someone a very very very cleaned up version of the Rape of Nanking and I was accused of making up war crimes against the Japanese because I was racist. This person literally would not believe me when I tried to explain what actually took place.
Posted by: alexthechick at December 27, 2011 12:55 PM (VtjlW)
Give them the dirty version. They'll probably never finish the book. It's that brutal.
Also, even though Glenn Beck has gone off the rails a bit, he did have quite a list of books describing the atrocities of the communist take-overs of several countries. We don't live in a nice world. There's a lot of people, including many people in the SCOAMF's regime, that would do the same thing to us if they ever get a chance.
Posted by: Soona at December 27, 2011 09:08 AM (W/Zyi)
Posted by: Jones at December 27, 2011 09:08 AM (8sCoq)
Now, the thing is, there is actually a reasonable argument for "legalizing" all drugs:
I think it was someone here who said s/he was against drug legalization since that would include antibiotics and those are overprescribed now. I'd never thought of that before.
I'll admit to vacilating on this position. Personally, I am about as hard core anti-drug as you can be. Philosophically, I believe drugs should be legal since what you want to do to your body is your choice. Practically, I don't know how to balance the harm that drug uses cause to others with the right to do that to themselves.
Posted by: alexthechick at December 27, 2011 09:08 AM (VtjlW)
One of the larger understatements ever.
Posted by: pep at December 27, 2011 01:06 PM (6TB1Z)
I'm a whiz at the understatements. But by all means, give it the bullhorn it deserves. It really can't be overstated.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 27, 2011 09:09 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: mike at December 27, 2011 09:09 AM (0hdwM)
We have a dozen perfectly good aircraft carriers. Why not use them to improve the bottom line?
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Posted by: jwest at December 27, 2011 01:07 PM (8moZm)
jwest, that make for an awesome blog...
Posted by: akornzombie at December 27, 2011 09:09 AM (lcgKV)
They think the contrails left by jets as they cruise overhead are actually chemicals being sprayed, the purpose of which is to make you stupid/try to kill you/insert random loony idea here.
who thinks this?
Posted by: Jones at December 27, 2011 09:09 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 27, 2011 01:07 PM (8y9MW)
Yep, note the reaction of ANY type of debate on the subject... which was my origional point...
Posted by: Romeo13 at December 27, 2011 09:10 AM (NtXW4)
Sort of like: Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 27, 2011 09:10 AM (8y9MW)
Please tell me this is someone mocking a troll, and not an actual troll.
Posted by: pep at December 27, 2011 09:10 AM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: My Left Nut at December 27, 2011 01:04 PM (bI3Cc)
Mind your own business!!
Posted by: real joe at December 27, 2011 09:10 AM (ixAVa)
Posted by: akornzombie at December 27, 2011 09:11 AM (lcgKV)
They think the contrails left by jets as they cruise overhead are actually chemicals being sprayed, the purpose of which is to make you stupid/try to kill you/insert random loony idea here.
who thinks this?
Posted by: Jones at December 27, 2011 01:09 PM (8sCoq)
Conspiracy therorists, many of whom are Nor Luap supporters. See the main post for more information.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 27, 2011 09:12 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: mike at December 27, 2011 09:12 AM (0hdwM)
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at December 27, 2011 09:13 AM (4HrTB)
Extra credit to anyone who can explain the difference between this and Democrat 'minority outreach' efforts...
Posted by: DarkLord© for Prez! at December 27, 2011 09:13 AM (GBXon)
Japan only loosened up after the West went in and shook them up
2 nuclear weapons will do that
Posted by: Jones at December 27, 2011 01:08 PM (8sCoq)
The prior 60+ firebombings of other major cities helped.
And it was only because of the way we let Japan feel our full wrath that they ended up being even able to become oone of our most trustworthy friends and strongest allies after the war. If we had negotiated half-assed out of WWII, we would have just had to redo it in another decade. This is what people don't understand about the arabs and muslims these days. The more constrained we are in war with them, the more they are unable to ever come to a turn, culturally. Societies that revere submission must be harshly submitted and forced to publicly acknowledge this, whether the victor wants to or not. Otherwise, it never ends.
Posted by: really ... at December 27, 2011 09:13 AM (X3lox)
Posted by: Berserker at December 27, 2011 01:05 PM (FMbng)
We'll be the envy of the entire solar system.
Posted by: Soona at December 27, 2011 09:13 AM (W/Zyi)
Before I send my resume I need to know if I will be given a uniform to wear? Oh and will it have fancy epaulettes?
Posted by: Buzzsaw at December 27, 2011 09:13 AM (tf9Ne)
If you look at the Japan of today it's hard to believe how truly brutal they were in the last century,
Not if you spend more than three minutes watching hentai.
Posted by: alexthechick at December 27, 2011 09:13 AM (VtjlW)
One actually created wealth.
Hey, I didn't say it was nice.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 27, 2011 09:14 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: nevergiveup at December 27, 2011 09:14 AM (i6RpT)
DID YOU KNOW A brand of breathmints called "Tic-Tac" houses Martian nonocomputers tracking your every move?
DID YOU KNOW That we acually live on the INSIDE of our planet, and the sun is not a star at all, but the center of our world?
DID YOU KNOW That the hub of the military-industrial-complex is located 1 mile under Dulce, New Mexico and is run by LIZARD-MEN?
Posted by: Ron Paul Survival Report at December 27, 2011 09:14 AM (xXhWA)
Wait, what? Ace, I don't think you would find the general electorate, even given their hypocrisy on racial matters, as understanding as you. Perceived racism is political kryptonite. You can lament it but it is what it is.
Posted by: Ken Royall at December 27, 2011 09:14 AM (9zzk+)
Posted by: mike at December 27, 2011 01:12 PM (0hdwM)
*putting on typical braindead college girl expression* They all look the same, don't they? How can that be racism? And they all speak in that bing bong duck chu walong language.
(to which my responses would be: A) no, they don't, and B) no, they don't.)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 27, 2011 09:15 AM (4df7R)
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Posted by: jwest at December 27, 2011 01:07 PM (8moZm)
Well... as part of my Resume for a position, can I submit my latest Paper?
How to REALLY impact Foreign Countries, or Second Look at the Medival Punishment Raid with Modern Technology.
Its a Treatsie on how to send a country back to a pre industrial technology, using Airpower and Armor Columns... and then LEAVING...
Then, if they act up again? Repeat...
Posted by: Romeo13 at December 27, 2011 09:15 AM (NtXW4)
Do you have a newsletter to which I can subscribe?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 27, 2011 09:16 AM (8y9MW)
>>I don't get the reference- somebody clue me in?
Posted by: Jones at December 27, 2011 01:04 PM (8sCoq)
Clink the red link above box #3. The lady has some helpful chemtrail cleaning tips that are completely streak free.
I just can't figure out where she parked her trailer.
Posted by: ontherocks at December 27, 2011 09:16 AM (HBqDo)
Posted by: Berserker at December 27, 2011 01:05 PM (FMbng)
We'll be the envy of the entire solar system.
Posted by: Soona at December 27, 2011 01:13 PM (W/Zyi
Ewwww.... you Earthcreatures make me soooo Angry!
Posted by: Marvin the Martian, United Mars at December 27, 2011 09:16 AM (NtXW4)
Posted by: whatever at December 27, 2011 09:16 AM (O7ksG)
Posted by: nevergiveup at December 27, 2011 09:17 AM (i6RpT)
Posted by: dagny at December 27, 2011 09:17 AM (R62Yx)
Posted by: mike at December 27, 2011 09:17 AM (0hdwM)
Posted by: Truman North at December 27, 2011 09:18 AM (I2LwF)
Posted by: somebody else, not me at December 27, 2011 09:18 AM (7EV/g)
and the problem with that is?????
Oh that's right, most of the demographic your talking about wants the annihilation of the Jews and the Jewish state. It seems you're okay with that. You'd make a great SS Guard at Bergen-Belsen. Nice to not have a conscience or let history get in the way. You can destroy or murder as many as you can of our people but we will survive and be stronger for it. Your type never learns from history. We know how to survive while you cower in a corner pissing your pants when someone says BOO, sorta like the French.
Posted by: mpfs, I hate my neighbor who parks in my spot at December 27, 2011 09:19 AM (iYbLN)
Hey genius, if you want to try and sound all smart and edumacated and stuff, start with the correct spelling. It's Wannsee.
Posted by: pep at December 27, 2011 09:20 AM (6TB1Z)
Do we have to buy a program in order to keep the conspiracies straight in our minds? Do we pay for the programs with Old Money (good!) or New Money (bad!)?
Posted by: Jeremiad was a Bullfrog at December 27, 2011 09:20 AM (HmCnI)
Protect themselves from murderous neandertals?
Posted by: dagny at December 27, 2011 09:21 AM (R62Yx)
But... Did we go to war to help the Russians and Slavs starved by Stalin?
Did we go to war to prevent the slaughter in Cambodia? or Red China?
Is the US Military here to protect America? or to prevent Genocide???
Posted by: Romeo13 at December 27, 2011 09:21 AM (NtXW4)
Posted by: mpfs, I hate my neighbor who parks in my spot at December 27, 2011 01:19 PM (iYbLN)
The problem is you're not in the majority! That means you're a loser!!!
Posted by: We are the 99% sheep bah bah bha what he said at December 27, 2011 09:21 AM (xXhWA)
BUT ... it probably should be recognized there is DOOM ahead because of big government spending, and Ron Paul somewhat symbolizes addressing that insanity in DC, despite the nuttiness.
I don't know about Bush, but didn't Geithner talk about a global currency? And Obama wants to be president of the world ... loves his commie pal Van Jones (and others). It sells newsletters to go histrionic I guess ... but some sort of funding crisis seems inevitable ... and many have noticed Europe is on the edge. It's not ALL craziness ... just ask Monty ... aka Dr. Doom.
I'm not sure anyone that really addresses the serious issues seriously, can be elected ... maybe a candidate has to promise $1000 rebate checks and freebies to compete with Obama's bribes. But those that act serious rather than in denial, are going to attract a crowd.
Perry seems to strike the right chord ... cutting departments. But it should be recognized that much of the Ron Paul appeal is because DC has become crazy itself ... crazy and criminal. So some want a radical ... but not a hard core Christian radical.
I'm sorta for Gingrich, but doubt he has the organization. Perry has fumbled too much, but has some money. Santorum maybe "too Christian", and too far back. Paul sees the financial problems, but too whacky on too many things.
So knocking down Ron Paul makes sense ... then we can ask "Will the real non-Romney please stand up?"
Posted by: Illini bill at December 27, 2011 09:22 AM (ryzvI)
Well, to be fair, we were helping a bit, but it was more supplies and stuff, Lend-Lease and all. We didn't start shooting until Pearl Harbor, but FDR had been pushing us in that direction for some time regardless."</i>
Actually, we were engaged in combat operations in the Atlantic before Pearl Harbor. Look up Armed Neutrality, the Kearney incident, and the USS Reuben James.
Posted by: Mike James at December 27, 2011 09:22 AM (E5gnO)
Posted by: mike at December 27, 2011 09:23 AM (0hdwM)
Do you have the slightest fucking clue what Japan was doing in Asia prior to 1941?
Posted by: Waterhouse
Apparently they skipped history class the week they mentioned the atrocities the Japanese committed. I know Filipinos and Chinese who to this day, second and third generation removed from the war, who will not give the time of day to the Japanese. They loathe them and with good reason. The brutality was incredible.
Posted by: mpfs, I hate my neighbor who parks in my spot at December 27, 2011 12:52 PM (iYbLN)
Same thing with the South Koreans.Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at December 27, 2011 09:23 AM (7+pP9)
Its a Treatsie on how to send a country back to a pre industrial technology, using Airpower and Armor Columns... and then LEAVING...
Then, if they act up again? Repeat...
Posted by: Romeo13 at December 27, 2011 01:15 PM (NtXW4)
The scenario you outline is fine for “example” countries that lack profitable resources to exploit, but as committed Capitalist Imperialists, our mission should be to offer our friendship, technology and protection in exchange for a reasonable fee.
Everyone wins.
Posted by: jwest at December 27, 2011 09:23 AM (8moZm)
Posted by: AmishDude
Amish,
Imagine the dental bills we will have pay for with all those legalized methheads out there. It boggles the mind.
Posted by: mpfs, I hate my neighbor who parks in my spot at December 27, 2011 09:25 AM (iYbLN)
Only as a hypocrite. Mr Ron "I won't vote for the Pork, but I'll certainly put it in the legislation" Paul is anti-Federal Reserve, not anit-Statist.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 27, 2011 09:27 AM (8y9MW)
As far as the other stuff, I often here see alot of hand ringing over why 'we' didn't bomb railways into concentration camps, etc.. The real reason is, it would've taken away valuable planes away from missions that would shorten the war. The Brits and the Americans both thought the best way to help the Jews was to shorten the war.
Another thing, the '44 attempt on Hitlers life wasn't a glorious thing either. The Tom Cruise movie was complete bullocks. Churchill himself was thankful Hitler survived, because with the German army in the hands of competent generals, they could have extended the war by another 6 months to a year. After Stalingrad, Churchill referred to 'corporal hitler' as the best thing to happen to the allies during the war. Competent generals again, without Hitlers interference could have won the war. The famous '44 attempt at Hitlers life is portrayed as 'Tom Cruise' being a freedom fighter.. the truth is, the plots aim was to put the power back into the hands of the officer corps. Nothing to do with 'liberating' Germany. The Tom Cruise movie had to be a comedy
Hitler was a frickin genius at diplomacy during the Austrian campaign, and the Czecho-slovakia deal. The early campaigns against Poland and France were near perfect. Pure genius. Read 'Rise and Fall of the Third Reich'.. William Shirer had a front row seat at most of those actions as part of the press corps. Great read. Hitler was total gangster when dealing with politicians. He schooled so many lifelong diplomats you feel sorry for them after awhile.. Its one after another. The whole story of Chamberlain is pathetic. He deserves more scorn than he gets.
After France, Hitler didn't know what to do with himself as he assumed the UK would make peace. He figured his only chance was to knock the USSR out of the war. He gambled and lost. An interesting note.. At the start of the war, he didn't think America would be ready to invade Europe until the 70's! Thats from newly discovered documents mentioned in 'The Storm of War'.. great book. I think it came out last year
Posted by: What a Jerk at December 27, 2011 09:27 AM (bcmD0)
Posted by: Farmer Joe at December 27, 2011 09:28 AM (JIqvT)
Some whack-job with odd habits is publishing long screeds and milking the mentally challenged on the internet for money? Imagine that. Huh, my irony meter must be broke again. Let the fireworks begin.
Posted by: DaveA at December 27, 2011 09:28 AM (aHWbA)
Before I send my resume I need to know if I will be given a uniform to wear? Oh and will it have fancy epaulettes?
Posted by: Buzzsaw at December 27, 2011 01:13 PM (tf9Ne)
Not only fancy epaulettes, but gold braided rope and shiny medals.
Posted by: jwest at December 27, 2011 09:28 AM (8moZm)
I'll admit to vacilating on this position. Personally, I am about as hard core anti-drug as you can be. Philosophically, I believe drugs should be legal since what you want to do to your body is your choice. Practically, I don't know how to balance the harm that drug uses cause to others with the right to do that to themselves.
Posted by: alexthechick at December 27, 2011 01:08 PM (VtjlW)I understand where you're coming from, but there's also the matter of many drugs being physically addictive. Once hooked on meth or heroin (for example), it becomes less of a choice than a physical need (using that term loosely) to continue using them.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 27, 2011 09:28 AM (X3vSL)
Posted by: Truman North at December 27, 2011 09:29 AM (I2LwF)
Posted by: dagny at December 27, 2011 09:29 AM (R62Yx)
Posted by: mike at December 27, 2011 09:29 AM (0hdwM)
I'm watching that 'spray the sky with vinegar' video in another window. Do you know how many varieties of CRAZY it takes to believe this shit?
Good Lord. And these people vote!
Posted by: Jones at December 27, 2011 09:29 AM (8sCoq)
Dresden. To make the point you have the will to do it. Curtis LeMay proved we had the will to destroy our enemy even at the enormous cost of human life.
Posted by: mpfs, I hate my neighbor who parks in my spot at December 27, 2011 09:30 AM (iYbLN)
Posted by: dagny at December 27, 2011 09:30 AM (R62Yx)
So? For many people this is true of alcohol as well. I'm probably one of them (one of the reasons I don't drink). Nicotine is even the same.
Like I said, we already have laws against the bad things people do while they're high. So I don't see "but they're addictive" to be a huge hurdle (they didn't have to use the first time, after all).
The practical matters of us being a de facto Welfare State so that those addicts would get free medical care, as well as others? Those are much more persuasive.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 27, 2011 09:32 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Troll Gingrich at December 27, 2011 12:19 PM (tJa5V)
Except Alcoa, of course. Say, have you seen their new summer line of foil hats with holders alongside both ears for holding your spray bottles of vinegar?
Posted by: Jeremiad was a Bullfrog at December 27, 2011 09:33 AM (HmCnI)
294 What exactly due you bomb? Posted by: mike
Dresden. To make the point you have the will to do it. Curtis LeMay proved we had the will to destroy our enemy even at the enormous cost of human life.
Posted by: mpfs, I hate my neighbor who parks in my spot at December 27, 2011 01:30 PM (iYbLN)
IÂ’m holding an associate editor position open for you at the American Imperialist.
Posted by: jwest at December 27, 2011 09:33 AM (8moZm)
Posted by: mpfs, I hate my neighbor who parks in my spot at December 27, 2011 01:19 PM (iYbLN)
This. The anti-semetism in this country is very very disturbing. People have looked at the history of the Third Reich and wondered how a whole country could fall into believing the bullshit. Just look around. Scary times.
I have and always will defend the Jews and the state of Israel having the right to exist. I'll defend it with my life, if need be.
Posted by: Soona at December 27, 2011 09:33 AM (W/Zyi)
Hey genius, if you want to try and sound all smart and edumacated and stuff, start with the correct spelling. It's Wannsee.
Posted by: pep
Yeah, that's right. Wansee is the Indian casino up the road. Geez.
Posted by: mpfs, I hate my neighbor who parks in my spot at December 27, 2011 09:34 AM (iYbLN)
Posted by: The Aluminum Foil Industry
Don't believe them, didn't you see The Arrival, Big Bauxite is owned by the Aliens with backward knees. They took over the mining sites in 1911ty!! while our troops were distracted by the undeclared Phillipines campaign.
Posted by: American TinFoil LLC at December 27, 2011 09:34 AM (aHWbA)
This is probably just as crazy as any Ron Paul idea....but what if the cosmos had certain "zones" that were more supportive of rational thought then others? Maybe this would be caused by some kind of unknown background radiation. Anyway, my point is that we seemed to have recently entered a "slow zone" of some kind. The whole world seems less and less rational.
History.
Mathamatic, Geometric, navagational, reason advancements followed by chaos of war. It recurs. Our own country was founded during the age of reason which followed the chaos of the english civil war-a religious war. The reaction to the age of reason was the Romantic era when feelings and the "soul" were given primacy and you end up with the ascent of the "imagination". The Victorian era reacted to that....anyway it goes back and forth. Right now we are deep into imagination land where the elites pretend the earth is warm, the palestinians exist and are the oppressed, the chinese are good guys, and there is always more money while we have a retarded Kenyan muslim president who wants to turn the country into his pretend experiment for revenge of the 3rd world...
Posted by: dagny at December 27, 2011 09:35 AM (R62Yx)
Posted by: Jimmuy at December 27, 2011 09:36 AM (hh/BN)
People hated the Jews even before that. Some of it (unfortunately) really is residual animus from the early days of the Church (when Christians were the ones persecuted and mass murdered). Some of it is the perceived usury (depending on your definition thereof, they may or may not have been usurers. If you just mean "lending at interest" then they were, if you mean "lending at punitive interest" they weren't, really). I suspect most of it, though, is the phenomenon of growing to hate someone more whom you treat badly.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 27, 2011 09:36 AM (8y9MW)
That, and convincing the world he doesn't exit, I guess.
Posted by: sifty at December 27, 2011 09:38 AM (WsOiK)
FDR rejected Morgenthau's entreaties that he bomb the train lines to Auschwitz or take similar actions, on the theory that the US wouldn't support the war if it became perceived as a War for Jews. FDR seemed to believe there was a lot of anti-semitism in the country.
This isn't what I remember of what I've read. IIRC bombing the specific train lines was ruled out as too hard to target & the Holocaust was best ended by ending the 3rd Reich. And FDR & his State dept. were full of anti-semites vs. the country as a whole? Is there a good short history read re. this?
Posted by: DaveA at December 27, 2011 09:41 AM (aHWbA)
Posted by: willow at December 27, 2011 09:41 AM (h+qn8)
Some of it (unfortunately) really is residual animus from the early days of the Church (when Christians were the ones persecuted and mass murdered).
It's one of the greatest misunderstandings of history. The Jews didn't execute Jesus or any of the early Christians. The Romans did.
Posted by: Soona at December 27, 2011 09:42 AM (W/Zyi)
yeah. that..
Posted by: Vergeltung at December 27, 2011 09:42 AM (jttPx)
Because for the most part we saved a lot of asses and they hate us for it. It's too bad that my people (Rothschilds) bailed out the British in the Napoleonic Wars. We should have let France have them. Ungrateful bastards.
Posted by: mpfs, I hate my neighbor who parks in my spot at December 27, 2011 09:43 AM (iYbLN)
Posted by: alans at December 27, 2011 09:43 AM (hrTcJ)
Posted by: mpfs, I hate my neighbor who parks in my spot at December 27, 2011 01:30 PM (iYbLN)
IÂ’m holding an associate editor position open for you at the American Imperialist.
Posted by: jwest
Why thank you. I appreciate you allowing a Jew to join in the group! I admired the hell out of LeMay, Patton, etc. No guts, no glory. Bomb them back into the stone age.
Posted by: mpfs, I hate my neighbor who parks in my spot at December 27, 2011 09:45 AM (iYbLN)
No, it's history, doofus. The Wansee Conference was delayed because of the bombing of Pearl Harbor until January 1942. That's when they coordinated to put into play the Final Solution. Do I think they had murderous intent all along? Of course. But it wasn't until the Wansee Conference do we see these mechanized large scale killing factories.
Posted by: mike at December 27, 2011 01:17 PM (0hdwM)
Ummmm . . .Not a single Nazi document makes reference to "The Final Solution". Because there was none.
I have read many scholarly books on the subject. There were efforts to drive Jews out of Germany. There was anti-semitism. There was even the outright slaughter of Jews. There were also efforts to get the most labor out of them. There where instances where they were forced to live in ghettos.
There were a myriad of ad-hoc "solutions", but no "Final Solution". Please don't be an historical dumbass.
Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at December 27, 2011 09:45 AM (7+pP9)
If you just mean "lending at interest" then they were.
Yeah, that's all I mean. But the Romans were the persecuters because the Jews didn't have much power. The Jews often helped the Romans go after the Christians but I don't know how wide spread that was. Their numbers were just not that great. Perhaps in europe just a function of looking different and being "apart"?
Posted by: dagny at December 27, 2011 09:46 AM (R62Yx)
Posted by: SarahW at December 27, 2011 09:47 AM (LYwCh)
Is it cool if I work from my hidden lair undisclosed location? Not the volcano though, that one's a decoy...
Posted by: DarkLord© for Prez! at December 27, 2011 09:47 AM (GBXon)
Posted by: mike at December 27, 2011 09:47 AM (0hdwM)
I'm sorry I have to tell you this but the Jews control the cosmos. We have for years. Keep it under your tinfoil hat and maybe we will let you in.
Posted by: mpfs, I hate my neighbor who parks in my spot at December 27, 2011 09:48 AM (iYbLN)
When your homeland just got overrun and your Temple razed again because of an ill-considered revolt, some folks will be happy to try to shore up the good graces of your overlords while sticking it to those crazy schismatics...
Posted by: DarkLord© for Prez! at December 27, 2011 09:49 AM (GBXon)
Posted by: dagny at December 27, 2011 01:29 PM (R62Yx)
Hatred of the Jews goes back to the very beginning. Much of it stemmed from the Jews' desire to not assimilate and the instruction not to in the Torah. To compound the situation, Jews never proselytized, which offends many people ("We're not good enough for you to try and convert us?") though it is the characteristic of Judaism (which has a strong governmental component to it, as it is "the Jewish Nation") that makes it unthreatening to any outside of the Holy Land, the only place where Jewish Law was meant to govern.
As to banking and such, it wasn't a matter of usury, but mere banking, itself. People don't like owing money, even though they love to borrow money. For this, Jews figured prominently in the Magna Carta:
(10) If anyone who has borrowed a sum of money from Jews dies before the debt has been repaid, his heir shall pay no interest on the debt for so long as he remains under age, irrespective of whom he holds his lands. If such a debt falls into the hands of the Crown, it will take nothing except the principal sum specified in the bond.
(11) If a man dies owing money to Jews, his wife may have her dower and pay nothing towards the debt from it. If he leaves children that are under age, their needs may also be provided for on a scale appropriate to the size of his holding of lands. The debt is to be paid out of the residue, reserving the service due to his feudal lords. Debts owed to persons other than Jews are to be dealt with similarly.
Posted by: really ... at December 27, 2011 09:49 AM (X3lox)
The scenario you outline is fine for “example” countries that lack profitable resources to exploit, but as committed Capitalist Imperialists, our mission should be to offer our friendship, technology and protection in exchange for a reasonable fee.
Everyone wins.
Posted by: jwest at December 27, 2011 01:23 PM (8moZm)
Concur.... but it should be the Mafioso type of Protection, not the 'we'll put troops in your country to defend you' protection...
ie... we're not guards... but we'd hate for somthing to happen to your nice store...
Posted by: Romeo13 at December 27, 2011 09:50 AM (NtXW4)
People hated the Jews even before that. Some of it (unfortunately) really is residual animus from the early days of the Church (when Christians were the ones persecuted and mass murdered). Some of it is the perceived usury (depending on your definition thereof, they may or may not have been usurers. If you just mean "lending at interest" then they were, if you mean "lending at punitive interest" they weren't, really). I suspect most of it, though, is the phenomenon of growing to hate someone more whom you treat badly.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 27, 2011 01:36 PM (8y9MW)
I think a chunk of it is due to the belief by Christians that "the Jews killed Jesus," which was especially espoused in the early, fire and brimstone days of the Christian religion. Then, as Europe moved toward secularism, they saw that the Jews were often successful and somewhat wealthy (something they had to be to survive, since they weren't allowed to own property in much of the world), and the earlier religious hatred became conflated with envy (something that's never lacking in European history).
Now that Europe has become almost entirely secular, and few of its First World citizens live in anything like abject poverty, there's no hard and fast reason for the anti-Semitism. But there's a void there that's always been reserved for "hate the Jews," and with the lack of another group to hate and blame, and prevented from doing so by preposterous ideas about "political correctness" and "multiculturalism," they continue to espouse irrational hatred for the Jewish people and their state. Then you can add in hatred of the United States because of our support of Israel, which helps to further fill that "hate the Jews" void. Then you have all the ignorant leftists and liberals and "libertarians" in this country who leech their ideas off the European elites, and anti-Semitism becomes mainstreamed and normalized as "legitimate criticism of Israel." Which, for the most part, it's not.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 27, 2011 09:50 AM (4df7R)
It's one of the greatest misunderstandings of history. The Jews didn't execute Jesus or any of the early Christians. The Romans did.
Posted by: SoonaTell that to the Poles Soona. They still think we killed Christ. I shit you not.
Posted by: mpfs, I hate my neighbor who parks in my spot at December 27, 2011 09:51 AM (iYbLN)
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Posted by: dagny at December 27, 2011 09:54 AM (R62Yx)
Posted by: DarkLord© for Prez! at December 27, 2011 09:54 AM (GBXon)
On the issue of bombing Auschwitz, it's worth pointing out that it's located about 250 due east of Prague, or 900 miles from London. The Soviets refused to let our aircraft land in their territory, so a mission to bomb Auschwitz would have had to make an 1,800-mile round trip, near the extreme range of the B-17, while crossing the length of Germany twice.
I'm not saying that we shouldn't have tried. But it would have been extremely costly. I could see a reasonable man concluding that the true way to save lives was to smash the Nazis as quickly as possible, which would mean using those resources against military targets within Germany itself.
Posted by: Brown Line at December 27, 2011 09:55 AM (VrNoa)
Posted by: mpfs, I hate my neighbor who parks in my spot at December 27, 2011 01:51 PM (iYbLN)
Theres a reason we told Polack jokes, even back in my Legion Days.... geeezzzzz
Posted by: Longinus at December 27, 2011 09:55 AM (NtXW4)
Posted by: Dangerous Right-Wing Extremist at December 27, 2011 09:56 AM (8HhF2)
It's one of the greatest misunderstandings of history. The Jews didn't execute Jesus or any of the early Christians. The Romans did.
Posted by: SoonaTell that to the Poles Soona. They still think we killed Christ. I shit you not.
Posted by: mpfs, I hate my neighbor who parks in my spot at December 27, 2011 01:51 PM (iYbLN)
Pharisees?
Posted by: Vergeltung at December 27, 2011 09:57 AM (jttPx)
Posted by: mpfs, I hate my neighbor who parks in my spot at December 27, 2011 01:51 PM (iYbLN)
Theres a reason we told Polack jokes, even back in my Legion Days.... geeezzzzz
Posted by: LonginusI dated Polish Catholic boys in high school. When the parents, especially the moms, found out I was Jewish it was out the door. This thinking still lives on in NEPA sadly.
Posted by: mpfs, I hate my neighbor who parks in my spot at December 27, 2011 09:57 AM (iYbLN)
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Posted by: Zombie Quaddaffi at December 27, 2011 09:58 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Longinus at December 27, 2011 09:59 AM (NtXW4)
Europe is still tribal, at its heart. And it imports even more tribalism with their pool of immigrants. The Jews have always been a hated tribe.
The US has been one of the very few truly non-tribalistic societies, which is why Jews have never had any official problems in America and have been accepted here since the very beginning, though we are descending into the standard tribalism of the world, now ... so quickly that it's just jaw-dropping.
Posted by: really ... at December 27, 2011 09:59 AM (X3lox)
They say Romans named the jews land Philistine basically as an insult to the Jews ... even though there were no Philistines there ... pretty good at showing both sides ... and all the hate.
Posted by: Illini bill at December 27, 2011 10:06 AM (ryzvI)
"...but what are conservatives and Republicans doing adding to his numbers?"
I think people who consider themselves traditional conservatives vote for Ron Paul because he's wearing the Republican brand, and therefore think he must be normal and sane because they can't imagine one of the two main political parties in a two-party system is fielding a serious national candidate and Congressman from Texas who believes an evil cabal of Zionist international bankers are responsible for all wars everywhere.
Or that water fluoridation is really a mind-control program orhestrated by the federal government.
Or that the Bildersburger Group is intent upon extirpating 80% of the world's population and establishing themselves as our genetically and technologically enhanced, near-immortal overlords.
Or that even now diabolical scientists in the employ of the Bildersburger/Zionist conspiracy are working feverishly to produce swarming hordes of spider/goat DNA hybrids. Yes, spider-goats. Of all the Ron Paul-related conspiracies I've heard about, that one gets me the most. Imagine the horror as the steel-like fibers of voracious spider-goat hybrids enwrap you within their spinning cocoons of death.
Ron Paul and his friends believe all these things and because what they believe is so paranoid, implausible and fantastic, it's hard for regular people to think anyone could possibly believe in any of it. Ron Paul and his true believers have attached themselves to the GOP like a stubborn malignancy, and they're getting away with it so far because no prominent Republican has tackled these idiot-fringe fanatics head-on.
Romney, for example, no doubt finds Ron Paul's candidacy useful because it locks up genuinely conservative voters who might otherwise vote for a competitive opponent. Gingrich won't do it because he already has a reputation for holding the occasional out-there idea--imagine the target-rich soundbite opportunities if Gingrich ever questioned Ron Paul's handling of the spider-goat DNA hybridization problem. And so on. All of the legitimate candidates don't want to be seen as punching down by taking on Ron Paul. Thing is, Paul and his followers are already going to be a force in the convention. Imagine if Paul wins Iowa or puts in a respectable showing elsewhere. Does the GOP really need to cater to the batshit crazy conspiracy crowd going into the general election?
It's about credibility; rather, the complete loss of it should Ron Paul and his true believers gain a real foothold in the Republican Party.
Posted by: troyriser at December 27, 2011 10:07 AM (vtiE6)
F it, I am voting for the Newt because he sucks a hair less then the rest...
Posted by: TheGarbone at December 27, 2011 10:08 AM (O3f8/)
Posted by: no good deed at December 27, 2011 10:08 AM (mjR67)
I'm a bit more concerned about the parasitic political-financial class that thinks it fine and proper to extract trillions of $$ from the middle class at their leisure and de-potentiate the economic future of the country. Please do explain how that happens. You sound like an OWS loser who gets all his material from bumper stickers. Paul has a few good points and I agree with him on very few things. But he's so batshit crazy on everything else that there isn't a chance he will ever get enough votes to be POTUS. If he gets the nod (which I don't believe he will) I will never vote for him nor Obama.
Posted by: Minnfidel at December 27, 2011 10:14 AM (mt5iA)
Posted by: DaveA at December 27, 2011 10:19 AM (aHWbA)
I laugh at Paulites who come in and scream at how great Paul is while at the same time offending everyone they are trying to convince just how great Paul is. If Paul somehow miraculously wins the nomination ( I have a better chance at winning the lotto) those same people will be needed to support Paul against Obama. After all the vile shit they throw at people who disagree with Her Doktor there's not a chance in hell people are going to support him. The best thing the Paulites could do for their cause (well other than actually answering a question or concern ) is to stop insulting people who will later be needed to get him a victory. . I shant hold my breath.
Posted by: Minnfidel at December 27, 2011 10:24 AM (mt5iA)
>> Our decision, wherein we allow Dave In Texas to comment there, should in no way be considered evidence that we are all, in fact, "windowlickers."
You sir, are a filthy Kyle.
Posted by: Dave in Texas at December 27, 2011 10:27 AM (WvXvd)
Posted by: TheGarbone at December 27, 2011 10:32 AM (O3f8/)
Interesting point, though: Paul's campaign manager who signs the fundraising letters is . . . Rand Paul. I thought people were swearing up and down he didn't agree with all this nutty stuff? That he was his own man?
You all DO remember I warned the nut doesn't fall far from the tree, right? Because when Rand screws y'all in the hiney-hole, that maniacal cackling you hear above your cries of pain will be me, drinking beer and laughing at you.
Posted by: Adjoran at December 27, 2011 10:42 AM (VfmLu)
Why thank you. I appreciate you allowing a Jew to join in the group! I admired the hell out of LeMay, Patton, etc. No guts, no glory. Bomb them back into the stone age.
Posted by: mpfs, I hate my neighbor who parks in my spot at December 27, 2011 01:45 PM (iYbLN)
YouÂ’re a perfect fit for our marketing campaign to attract additional Arab readership. TheyÂ’ve complained for decades about Jewish American Imperialists and now they can subscribe to find out what youÂ’re up to.
(if your neighbor parks in your spot, why isnÂ’t he hospitalized by now?)
Posted by: jwest at December 27, 2011 10:46 AM (8moZm)
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Posted by: Mikey NTH at December 27, 2011 11:12 AM (hLRSq)
314 Ed Anger:
"There were a myriad of ad-hoc "solutions", but no "Final Solution". Please don't be an historical dumbass."
You are the historical dumbass:
"The Jews should now in the course of the Final Solution be brought to the East ... for use as labor. In big labor gangs, with separation of the sexes, the Jews capable of work are brought to those areas and employed in road building, in which task undoubtedly a great part will fall due to natural diminution.
The remnant that is finally able to survive all this - since this is undoubtedly the part with the strongest resistance - must be treated accordingly, since these people, representing a natural selection, are to be regarded as the germ cell of a new Jewish development." - Heydrich at the Wannsee Conference
Also the following, "I want to talk to you quite frankly on a very grave matter. Among ourselves it should be mentioned quite frankly, and yet we will never speak of it publicly ... I mean the extermination of the Jewish race" - Himmler addressing SS Generals at Posen October 1943
Both passages from "Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" by Shirer.
ESAD, you lying asshole.
Posted by: Gary Rosen at December 27, 2011 11:51 AM (9CzKK)
Romeo13, if you can send a copy of that paper to daniel.g.kemp at us.army.mil, I'll trade you for a copy of my master's thesis on "the ninety division gamble" of WWII.
Posted by: SGT Dan at December 27, 2011 12:06 PM (3Z9LX)
Posted by: White RB at December 27, 2011 12:09 PM (LrLv1)
Ladies and Gentlemen,
Germany declared war on the US on 11 December 1941. We didn't have a choice but to go to war with them.
The fate of European Jewry had little to do with our war. This was the third time the Germans had tried to dominate the continent of Europe (1870, 1914, 1939). The US cannot let a regional power dominate any of the continents. The cessation of the Holocaust was a good result of our victory over Germany. So was our suppression of the rebellion of 1861-1865, fought to save our national integrity, not to free the slaves. However, the end of slavery was a good result of our victory over the rebels.
James Ronan
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Posted by: Marty at December 27, 2011 01:10 PM (vIz6D)
Blah, blah, blah, Israel, blah, blah, holocaust, blah, blah, anti-semitism, blah, blah, blah.
Vote Paul.
Posted by: Tired 55 at December 27, 2011 01:16 PM (l7rfh)
As an Iowan who will be attending the caucuses next week, I am currently sizing up the available candidates.
Romney - RINO.
Gingrich - Fraud.
Santorum - Religious Freak.
Bachmann - Bat Crap Crazy.
Paul - Completely Bat Shit Nuts.
Huntsman - Why should the GOP also field a liberal?
Perry - Like-able Bush-Light. Not an impending threat to the nation or our way of life. Ex-C-130 pilot. Only real demerit is he's an Aggie - subtract 1 point.
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Posted by: mike at December 27, 2011 03:28 PM (0hdwM)
Even if everything said is true , nuts or no, the other candidates are so awful Paul is still heads and tails above all of the candidates.
At least if Paul or someone like him were to win, there is a chance the draconian police state style laws will be rolled back, the budget stabilized and we'll stay out of other peoples wars for a change.
And re: Middle East, why is this our problem again? Paul and others like him are correct in saying they are messing with us because we are messing with them for the most part.
As for the oil issue . It might be simpler and cheaper for us to spend a fraction of the military budget on alternatives and save lives everywhere.
As for Israel, they are a nuclear power and have the best armies in the Middle East, bar none. They really can handle themselves.
We however are broke, overwhelmed with obligation, our infrastructure is falling apart 50% of the population is now living in poverty and we apparently just has Habeas Corpus suspended. This seems to me good enough reason for some non interventionism
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I have been quite impressive with your posts, keep up the great work.
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Posted by: Thomas Paine's Ghost at December 27, 2011 03:50 PM (dL7Cu)
RON PAUL 2012 will Liberate America from Socialists and NAZI's and rich elite weenie puffers. That is who we got now driving America off a cliff in Washington "District of Corruption"
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And for the idiot who wrote this article, You were disturbed that Ron Paul didn't believe that America should have intervened in WWII on humantarian grounds, how very correct of you to be appalled at the thought, but I will bet you didn't give a $%#@ when those half a million Tutsis were genocided by their Hutu countrymen in Rwanda. So what does that say about your ethics.
And to the rest of my fellow Americans, you had better pull your heads out of your rear ends and start voting with that thing between your ears or you MOST DEFINITELY WILL be getting all the sh:ty government you can handle. It is said that governance in this country reflects the will of the people... no wonder there are so many a$$holes running things.
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Along with Barack Obama.....
Posted by: © Sponge at December 27, 2011 08:06 AM (UK9cE)