December 17, 2011

Ron Paul on Bachmann: "She hates Muslims."
— Gabriel Malor

Iranian advocate Ron Paul was asked about the other Republican candidates on the Tonight Show last night. He starts off a little funny---not howler funny, mind you, but at least a little funny---saying Governor Romney should maybe run for governor again. But when Leno asks about Bachmann, Paul gets nasty:

"She doesnÂ’t like Muslims. She hates Muslims. She hates them. She wants to go get them." No laughing from the audience there. Leno mutters "well that's not good."

I think Paul is still smarting from the spanking Bachmann gave him on Thursday.

Oh right: Note that Ron Paul is back to saying that he hasn't ruled out a third party run.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at 05:40 AM | Comments (303)
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1 I think I see some silver in your teeth, Jay.  I really can't concentrate when you flash it at me like that.

Posted by: Ron Paul at December 17, 2011 05:43 AM (mjR67)

2 I'm not a fan of the practitioners of Islam that wish to kill me, either.  Hmmm...maybe another look at Bachmann.

Posted by: jjmurphy at December 17, 2011 05:43 AM (xjEAl)

3 I think Paul is still smarting from the spanking she gave him on Thursday.

Yes. A petty little man. Good thing he isn't involved in a fight for anything of real importance.

Posted by: John Phillips at December 17, 2011 05:43 AM (piMMO)

4 I'm not a fan of the practitioners of Islam that wish to kill me, either.  Hmmm...maybe another look at Bachmann.

On the who's your candidate thread last night....Bachmann was shown to be my candidate. I was curious and went back and tweaked the numbers and no matter what I did, the second and third places would change, but she remained number one by quite a bit.

I don't know what the hell was going on there.

The good news was that BO was so small a measure he barely showed up.

Posted by: John Phillips at December 17, 2011 05:46 AM (piMMO)

5 Is it me or did it seem like the suit RP was wearing was about 4 sizes too big?

An btw, I have the same feelings towards terrorists as Michelle Bachmann.

THEY declared war on US; and we SHOULD be going after them, where ever we can find them, 24/7/365(6), until they are gone.

Posted by: zooomzooom at December 17, 2011 05:46 AM (uSh1h)

6 I can totally see her starting the next crusade.

Posted by: cvb at December 17, 2011 05:47 AM (HRFxR)

7 I wish that Silent Cal was his favorite president.  Heavy emphasis on the silent part. 

Posted by: no good deed at December 17, 2011 05:47 AM (mjR67)

8 The more I think about Ron Paul, the more I doubt that it was wise to make his offspring Senator.

Posted by: Elize Nayden, Newtist at December 17, 2011 05:52 AM (R5KId)

9 I suspect he's more or less right about Bachmann. And Glover Cleveland was a great President.

Posted by: Random at December 17, 2011 05:52 AM (YiE0S)

10 Well, can't say as she hates Israel.

Posted by: Roger at December 17, 2011 05:53 AM (tAwhy)

11 Sometimes the first impression is the most telling, and with Paul he can't get beyond crazy the uncle category.

.....except in degree of teh crazy.

Posted by: ontherocks at December 17, 2011 05:54 AM (HBqDo)

12

Obama

Ron Paul

Jon Stewart

Stephen Colbert

The left's favorite candidates.

Posted by: Juji Fruit at December 17, 2011 05:54 AM (O7ksG)

13 We aprove this message.

Posted by: muslims for paul at December 17, 2011 05:57 AM (MOHSR)

14 5 Is it me or did it seem like the suit RP was wearing was about 4 sizes too big? -------------------------- People shrink when they get old. Suit is prob. 20 years old.

Posted by: Lojack at December 17, 2011 05:57 AM (FufZK)

15 The more I think about Ron Paul, the more I doubt that it was wise to make his offspring Senator.

Contrary to the apple metaphor, folks can be wise enough to love their parents, despite their faults, and still seek their own path. Some apples hit the ground and keep on rolling.

Thus far, I a a big fan of Rand. Ron is ruining the name.

Posted by: John Phillips at December 17, 2011 05:57 AM (piMMO)

16 Of course Ron Paul hates The Jews and Welfare Check Blacks (by which he means, All Blacks). The Ronulans are the True Clingons.

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 17, 2011 05:57 AM (niZvt)

17 Posted by: Juji Fruit at December 17, 2011 09:54 AM (O7ksG)

The Left most certainly does not like Ron Paul (except as a disruptor).  Ron Paul is an isolationist hard-right conservative.  Problem is, the world just isn't a place where you can be an isolationist anymore.  Might have worked 100 years ago, but not now.

Posted by: Roger at December 17, 2011 05:58 AM (tAwhy)

18 dang stinky pedo sock

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 17, 2011 05:58 AM (piMMO)

19 He was a little edgy with all the Joooos in Hollywood.

Posted by: Ms Choksondik, hoping for a Rick Perry miracle at December 17, 2011 05:58 AM (fYOZx)

20 OT but worthwhile:

"My only question is - where do we find such men?"

Gen. James F. Amos
35th Commandant of the United States Marine Corps

Full text at http://tinyurl.com/83gv6lj


Posted by: Hrothgar at December 17, 2011 05:59 AM (i3+c5)

21 ...so he wouldn't go on the trump debate....but he'd go on late night tv with leno?

Posted by: phoenixgirl at December 17, 2011 06:01 AM (Ho2rs)

22 Contrary to the apple metaphor, folks can be wise enough to love their parents, despite their faults, and still seek their own path. Some apples hit the ground and keep on rolling.

And yet, they are both doctors who became politicians.

Posted by: John E. at December 17, 2011 06:03 AM (nRTou)

23

All I hear anymore when RP speaks is, "Blah, blah, blah, we brought this on ourselves by our imperialism, blah."

I can also understand why the lefty MFM wants to promote him as teh Pubbie candidate, so they can point at him and say, "This is the GOP at it's most extreme, listen to him!!!11!! Eleventy!!!!!"

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, President, Curmudgeon's Union Local 427 at December 17, 2011 06:03 AM (d0Tfm)

24 I can totally see her starting the next crusade.

An anti-tax crusader? Can she ride a horse?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 17, 2011 06:03 AM (piMMO)

25

My problem with Bachman is those crazy eyes, and her former job as a (plaintiff) tax lawyer. The fact that she does (or doesn't) hate a religion that kills non believers doesn't bother me much.

Posted by: Jimmah at December 17, 2011 06:04 AM (TMeYE)

26 If he was trying to discourage conservatives from supporting Bachmann, he's doing it wrong.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 17, 2011 06:04 AM (FIE/L)

27 ...so he wouldn't go on the trump debate....but he'd go on late night tv with leno?

INTEGRITY!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 17, 2011 06:04 AM (piMMO)

28 "Hating" Muslims? It never occurred to me that the miserable bearded hooting savages needed any assistance in the passive-aggressive whining department.

I wouldn't say I hate them, but Rong Paul put his finger on what I consider to be a selling point in a candidate--"arm's length" is a sensible policy for a civilization to pursue when it comes to the Religion of Throat Slitting and Crying Like a Little Pussy Bitch That People Don't Like Us.

Rong Paul, you're pushing my buttons.

Posted by: Mike James at December 17, 2011 06:05 AM (E5gnO)

29 6 I can totally see her starting the next crusade. Posted by: cvb at December 17, 2011 09:47 AM (HRFxR) When I went thru school, I was taught that the Crusades were a great turning point in history because it opened the West to the culture and ancient civilization of the East for the first time since the Fall of Rome. In other words: a Net Plus. I shudder to think what the typical NEA dues-paying member "educator" purports to "teach" kids today about them.

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 17, 2011 06:05 AM (niZvt)

30 Ron Paul looks like Alan Greenspan, with more hair... and (presumably) a foreskin, but no alta-kocker glasses and Andrea Mitchell. And no Fed.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 17, 2011 06:05 AM (UlUS4)

31 I'd like to give Michele Bachmann a spanking...mmm hmmm, think about that, boys.

Posted by: Sarah Palin at December 17, 2011 06:06 AM (sCI7M)

32 It's a fucking embarrassment to have this delusional cocksucker appear in the Presidential debates.  The geniuses at the RNC must figure that if the donks can make complete asses of themselves by including shitheads like Kucinich, Cynfia McKinney and odd Chris Dodd, the least the Repubs can do is counter that with this fucking ambulatory lint trap.

Posted by: Captain Hate at December 17, 2011 06:06 AM (UJYQt)

33 An btw, I have the same feelings towards terrorists as Michelle Bachmann. ------------------------------ Ron Paul didn't say Bachmann hated terrorists. He said she hated Muslims. You do realize a difference I hope.

Posted by: Lojack at December 17, 2011 06:07 AM (FufZK)

34 Can she ride a horse?

Lady Godiva style?

Posted by: WalrusRex at December 17, 2011 06:07 AM (TVvXc)

35 31 I'd like to give Michele Bachmann a spanking...mmm hmmm, think about that, boys. Posted by: Sarah Palin at December 17, 2011 10:06 AM (sCI7M) That sort of thing could easily lead to tunnel vision with muffed hearing.

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 17, 2011 06:08 AM (niZvt)

36 It's a fucking embarrassment to have this delusional cocksucker appear in the Presidential debates.  The geniuses at the RNC must figure that if the donks can make complete asses of themselves by including shitheads like Kucinich, Cynfia McKinney and odd Chris Dodd, the least the Repubs can do is counter that with this fucking ambulatory lint trap.

I've been trying to figure out he can be kicked out of the debates while leaving Perry in, when his "poll" numbers are so high. Of course, his effing followers skew everything they touch, so there's no telling what his real numbers look like.


Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 17, 2011 06:08 AM (piMMO)

37 Contrary to the apple metaphor, folks can be wise enough to love their parents, despite their faults, and still seek their own path. Some apples hit the ground and keep on rolling.

And yet, they are both doctors who became politicians.

Posted by: John E. at December 17, 2011 10:03 AM (nRTou)

Many doctors believe in their own omnipotence.  Just ask them.

Posted by: Count de Monet, getting nothing but a lump of coal and liking it at December 17, 2011 06:08 AM (4q5tP)

38 Posted by: CoolCzech at December 17, 2011 10:05 AM (niZvt) The Crusades were not so great if you were Jewish. At least the Muzlims were able to defend themselves.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 17, 2011 06:08 AM (UlUS4)

39 Lady Godiva style?

I thought I might have been too subtle.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 17, 2011 06:09 AM (piMMO)

40 34 Can she ride a horse? What about, can she ride a cowboy?

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 17, 2011 06:09 AM (niZvt)

41

33An btw, I have the same feelings towards terrorists as Michelle Bachmann.
------------------------------

Ron Paul didn't say Bachmann hated terrorists. He said she hated Muslims. You do realize a difference I hope. 

----

Yes, one major sect carries out the jihad, and the other major sect finances the effort.

Posted by: Jimmah at December 17, 2011 06:09 AM (TMeYE)

42 I might not have a problem with a repeat of the Crusades, but only if we intended to win absolutely.
Defining the RoE to the detriment of our troops is not the way to engage an acknowledged enemy, nor is labeling the enemy as adherents of the religion of peace.

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 17, 2011 06:09 AM (i3+c5)

43 Ron Paul is the only man that can save Spring-fieeeeld!!!

Posted by: Grandpa Simpson at December 17, 2011 06:10 AM (Lpgtj)

44 The RNC placates Paul because they are terrified of a third party run. Which might happen anyway.

Posted by: John E. at December 17, 2011 06:10 AM (nRTou)

45 Ewww! That comment takes on a whole different subtext given my handle.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 17, 2011 06:10 AM (piMMO)

46 33 An btw, I have the same feelings towards terrorists as Michelle Bachmann. ------------------------------ Ron Paul didn't say Bachmann hated terrorists. He said she hated Muslims. You do realize a difference I hope. Posted by: Lojack at December 17, 2011 10:07 AM (FufZK) Different spelling?

Posted by: mugiwara at December 17, 2011 06:11 AM (hGb5f)

47

I shudder to think what the typical NEA dues-paying member "educator" purports to "teach" kids today about them.

That's easy: wild-eyed, bloodthirsty evil, white, Christian men slaughter peaceful, passive Mooslims for no reason at all other than to establish a Holy Roman Church empire and force their religious beliefs on everybody in the whole wide world.

No mention whatsoever of the Mooslims conquering any part of Europe for years and the death and destruction they visited upon millions of innocents.

In short, Mooslims good, Christians bad.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, President, Curmudgeon's Union Local 427 at December 17, 2011 06:11 AM (d0Tfm)

48 Bachmann would have been great if she had resisted the nut trees a little better.

Posted by: Vic at December 17, 2011 06:11 AM (YdQQY)

49 I'd be interested to see a poll with Romney versus SCOAMF with RAWN PAWL!!!111!!! as a third-party candidate. I suspect he would pull as many democrats as republicans.

Posted by: joncelli at December 17, 2011 06:12 AM (+MbqG)

50 38 Posted by: CoolCzech at December 17, 2011 10:05 AM (niZvt) The Crusades were not so great if you were Jewish. At least the Muzlims were able to defend themselves. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 17, 2011 10:08 AM (UlUS4) To be sure, they were not exactly a high-point of Christian history; one eye-witness that actually participated described the Christian knights wading "knee-deep" - literally - through blood in the narrow streets of Jerusalem after its "liberation." Still, the Crusades DID help usher in the modern world, AND were no worse than the Muslim destruction of the entire Christian civilization of the Levant.

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 17, 2011 06:12 AM (niZvt)

51 What would happen if Ron Paul ran third party and Ralph Nader ran fourth party?!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 17, 2011 06:12 AM (UlUS4)

52 Ron Paul is the 12 th Iman

Posted by: Awful McNasty's boxers at December 17, 2011 06:13 AM (SiOVz)

53 What would happen if Ron Paul ran third party and Ralph Nader ran fourth party?!

Ralph who?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 17, 2011 06:13 AM (piMMO)

54 45 Ewww! That comment takes on a whole different subtext given my handle. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 17, 2011 10:10 AM (piMMO) A stiff horse is a terrible thing to waste.

Posted by: Catherine the Great at December 17, 2011 06:13 AM (niZvt)

55 The RNC placates Paul because they are terrified of a third party run. Which might happen anyway.

Posted by: John E. at December 17, 2011 10:10 AM (nRTou)

This is what happens when you have a party that stands for absolutely nothing, with shitheads like Rove as part of the TOP MEN.

Posted by: Captain Hate at December 17, 2011 06:13 AM (UJYQt)

56 52 Ron Paul is the 12 th Iman

Posted by: Awful McNasty's boxers at December 17, 2011 10:13 AM (SiOVz)

Well, then let's put him back in the friggin' well.

Posted by: joncelli at December 17, 2011 06:14 AM (+MbqG)

57 32 It's a fucking embarrassment to have this delusional cocksucker appear in the Presidential debates ----------------------------- I think your hate is misplaced. That "delusional cocksucker" is raising more money than Bachmann and Santorum combined. He also may win Iowa and is 2nd or 3rd in other primaries. I do not support Ron Paul, but I'm dead set against disenfranchising those who do. Perhaps the other candidates are lacking certain qualities that make Ron Paul attractive to your fellow Americans.

Posted by: Lojack at December 17, 2011 06:14 AM (FufZK)

58 I think if crazy Ron goes third party he'll draw more votes from the block that believed in Barry's "Hope and Change" with his legalize drugs and just eliminate foreign aid than from people trying to save the country from the SCOAMF. I'm still irritated at Leno for giving Ron such a supportive platform to spew that garbage, but thats personal, I never realized Leno was a lefty until recently. He didn't want to alienate his audience I guess and only let the mask slip after Barry was elected.

Posted by: Palerider at December 17, 2011 06:16 AM (ql12X)

59 Posted by: CoolCzech at December 17, 2011 10:12 AM (niZvt) Not really disagreeing with you about what the Crusades helped bring about, but I don't think that that was the intention of those who crusaded and those who called for it.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 17, 2011 06:16 AM (UlUS4)

60 "After all, she would have us violate our precious American neutrality to prevent muslims from killing jews. Not only is that a sacred part of Islam, we all know the conniving jews have it coming," he went on to say. (OK, I might have made that up. But I didn't have to work hard to do it.)

Posted by: DriveBy at December 17, 2011 06:16 AM (C9Vc8)

61 Isn't there a college game today? The Random Tuber Bowl or something?

Posted by: joncelli at December 17, 2011 06:16 AM (+MbqG)

62 from the man that thinks we deserved 9-11 and thinks Iran having nukes is a ok.  and that Bush was gleeful about the attacks.
yeah i'd trust anything He said.

as for Bachman she probably feels like many do , That there are Muslim countries that state openly Israel and America are the big and little satan, and given the chance they will off us. so we need to be aware and be careful who we assist.

I still say it would be in our interest to support strongly moderate muslims , like zhudi jasser, (give them a forum and strength to help reform islam)while being truthful about the precarious position extremists put all people under.

Posted by: willow at December 17, 2011 06:17 AM (TomZ9)

63 56 52 Ron Paul is the 12 th Iman Posted by: Awful McNasty's boxers at December 17, 2011 10:13 AM (SiOVz) That reminded me of my boyhood wish to ride Jeannie's Flying Carpet.

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 17, 2011 06:17 AM (niZvt)

64 i think the journalists love putting R Paul up as part of GOP (even tho he's really not so much) it makes us all look like cranks.

Posted by: willow at December 17, 2011 06:18 AM (TomZ9)

65 I take it that Ron thinks this is a negative about Michelle?

Posted by: real joe at December 17, 2011 06:19 AM (w7Lv+)

66 muslims:  believers in a pseudo-religion founded in the 7th century that believes in sharia law, the subjugation of women, stoning of gays, and death to unbelievers.
islamic terrorists: believers in a pseudo-religion founded in the 7th century that believes in strict sharia law, death to unbelievers, the subjugation of women, and the stoning of gays.

Religion of Peace: muslims, islamic terrorists

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 17, 2011 06:19 AM (i3+c5)

67 Posted by: joncelli at December 17, 2011 10:12 AM (+MbqG) Your analysis may be accurate. My ultra-lib wife queried me about Ron Paul in a very calm and reasoned voice, unlike when the veins bulge in her neck when she talks of Republicans/conservatives in general.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 17, 2011 06:19 AM (UlUS4)

68 59 Posted by: CoolCzech at December 17, 2011 10:12 AM (niZvt) Not really disagreeing with you about what the Crusades helped bring about, but I don't think that that was the intention of those who crusaded and those who called for it. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 17, 2011 10:16 AM (UlUS4) Oh, I totally agree. The precise goals was to roll back the muslim tide that wiped out Christianity in half the known world, at least in the Holy Land. What I was really driving at was, I can picture liberals teaching kids that they are nothing but another example of Western (i.e., white) aggression against innocent swarthy third worlders... even as they ignore utterly the question of how Muslims came to occupy the entire eastern Mediterranean and North African coasts to begin with. Not to mention their genocide against Visigothic Spain and the Byzantines.

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 17, 2011 06:20 AM (niZvt)

69 They think a man who put his full-grown adult cock in a captive 9-year-old-girl's vagina is the best person in history, better than every person here.

What's not to hate?

Posted by: Random at December 17, 2011 06:20 AM (YiE0S)

70 Islamophobia: you say it like it's a bad thing.

Posted by: t-bird at December 17, 2011 06:21 AM (FcR7P)

71 I think it is safe to say that Paul's mini-surge into serious contention is now over.

Posted by: Bill Mitchell at December 17, 2011 06:21 AM (uVlA4)

72 Posted by: CoolCzech at December 17, 2011 10:20 AM (niZvt) Oh yeah, point taken.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 17, 2011 06:21 AM (UlUS4)

73 57 32 It's a fucking embarrassment to have this delusional cocksucker appear in the Presidential debates ----------------------------- I think your hate is misplaced. That "delusional cocksucker" is raising more money than Bachmann and Santorum combined. He also may win Iowa and is 2nd or 3rd in other primaries. Yes, and then go absolutely nowhere accept (probably) a Third Party movement that wins the election for Obama. Paul IS a racist lunatic that has no right to call himself a Republican and the Republicans should ostracize him, Period. I repeat my earlier wish that during the next debate a 300 lbs woman jumps up on stage, throws the little runt to the floor, and sits on his face until he suffocates.

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 17, 2011 06:22 AM (niZvt)

74

"She doesnÂ’t like Muslims. She hates Muslims. She hates them. She wants to go get them." No laughing from the audience there. Leno mutters "well that's not good."


Second look at Bachmann? 

Posted by: Dave C at December 17, 2011 06:22 AM (QJdVQ)

75 Ron Paul: If our money is sound, it should not matter if we leave our pants down around our ankles...

I'd buy that for a (gold) dollar. NOT!

Posted by: M. Murcek at December 17, 2011 06:23 AM (ToZXn)

76 That "delusional cocksucker" is raising more money than Bachmann and Santorum combined. He also may win Iowa and is 2nd or 3rd in other primaries.

Posted by: Lojack at December 17, 2011 10:14 AM (FufZK)

So fucking what; fools and their money are soon parted.  And fuck Iowa too; what a joke that neither party doesn't tell that state of assholes and their bullshit caucuses to go to the end of the line.

Posted by: Captain Hate at December 17, 2011 06:24 AM (UJYQt)

77 Incidentally, Bachmann and Santorum were my #1 and #2 picks on that presidential survey deal from yesterday, and Perry a bit further down at 3rd.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 17, 2011 06:25 AM (UlUS4)

78 That ZANY Ron Paul!

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at December 17, 2011 06:25 AM (93YMp)

79

That's easy: wild-eyed, bloodthirsty evil, white, Christian men slaughter peaceful, passive Mooslims for no reason at all other than to establish a Holy Roman Church empire and force their religious beliefs on everybody in the whole wide world.

No mention whatsoever of the Mooslims conquering any part of Europe for years and the death and destruction they visited upon millions of innocents.

In short, Mooslims good, Christians bad.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, President, Curmudgeon's Union Local 427 at December 17, 2011 10:11 AM

 

Substitute "noble red-man" for Mooslim and "other tribes" for Europe and you've basically covered US History from 1492 through 1890.

Posted by: Count de Monet, getting nothing but a lump of coal and liking it at December 17, 2011 06:25 AM (4q5tP)

80 31 I'd like to give Michele Bachmann a spanking...mmm hmmm, think about that, boys.
Posted by: Sarah Palin

Umm, what are you wearing?

Posted by: real joe at December 17, 2011 06:26 AM (w7Lv+)

81 Posted by: CoolCzech at December 17, 2011 10:22 AM (niZvt) Mr Creosote! RUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 17, 2011 06:27 AM (UlUS4)

82

I was listening to Hannity on his radio show yesterday (it's either Medved or some guy at KFI that I don't like; I also like to listen to Hannity and see how many times he avoids talking about Rick Perry, which is 24/7, btw.  It's a sad little hobby, but what the hell.) and Luntz was on describing some kind of online poll he did after the debate.  Luntz described how they watched the numbers for Newt climb as online peeps voted, then the Paultards starting invading the site.  Curious, Luntz said they went to four Paul sites (who knew!) and all were linking the poll, encouring the jerks to bombard the poll for His Romulous.

Anyway, long story short, Luntz said they totally screwed up the poll, making it virtually meaningless.  He also said that Paultards really do a disservice to Paul because they are extremely vile to others (duh) and downright creepy (paraphrasing).  It was a pretty funny interview.  Luntz also posed the idea that if Paul wins in Iowa, it'll be a big turd in the soup.  IMHO, it'd be a pretty big confirmation that these primaries are meaningless.

Anybody see Sean interview Paul after the debate?  Now that was golden!  Paul was in a big fat huff over being questioned about his anti-semetic supporters.  Therefore I totally support the bumper sticker:  Vetting Ron Paul and Discover the Sick Fraud Within.

Posted by: DoomedinCA at December 17, 2011 06:28 AM (8DdAv)

83
Lil Ron makes the mistake that many make, in believing that the majority of muslims are peaceful, fun loving people who just want to be left alone.

I take the opposing view, wherein the majority of muslims are actually ticking time bombs, and the peaceful fun loving ones are a distinct minority.

Posted by: Wodeshed at December 17, 2011 06:28 AM (SgLsM)

84 Posted by: CoolCzech at December 17, 2011 10:22 AM (niZvt) ------------------------------ You bastardized my point. I'm just saying that I don't want the man kicked off the debate stage as long as he is getting MORE support from voters than other "acceptable" candidates on the stage.

Posted by: Lojack at December 17, 2011 06:29 AM (ucERL)

85

I live in an area with thousands of Bosnian immigrants, most of whom are Muslims.  The people I have met, both casually and as good friends, are generally decent people, and their faith is part of the strength of their character.

Anyone who wants to hate on them, that's between that person and their own God, but frankly it doesn't resemble any form of Christianity I know.

Posted by: Burt TC at December 17, 2011 06:30 AM (TOk1P)

86 So, the bumper sticker war is:

Republicans: We (mostly) don't hate Jews!

Democraps: We (mostly) don't admit to hating Jews!

Posted by: M. Murcek at December 17, 2011 06:32 AM (ToZXn)

87 Homer, that girl Marge is a traaa-aaaamp!!!

Posted by: G-paw Simpson at December 17, 2011 06:32 AM (Lpgtj)

88
Anyone who wants to hate on them, that's between that person and their own God, but frankly it doesn't resemble any form of Christianity I know.

I don't hate on anyone who minds his own business, but if they're preaching death to America in the Mosque, I'd sure be inclined to keep an eye on 'em.


Posted by: Wodeshed at December 17, 2011 06:33 AM (SgLsM)

89 Ron Paul is a piece of shit and anyone who would vote for him is a moron.

Posted by: Boxy Brown at December 17, 2011 06:34 AM (exCPD)

90 Well, if *not treating special (read, better than everyone else)* = *hating*, well, there you go...

Posted by: M. Murcek at December 17, 2011 06:36 AM (ToZXn)

91 86 I live in an area with thousands of Bosnian immigrants, most of whom are Muslims. The people I have met, both casually and as good friends, are generally decent people, and their faith is part of the strength of their character. I always wonder why Europeans that only became Muslims do to forcibly conversion by conquest be so attached to a faith utterly foreign and anathema to Western Civilization. For all their "secular" outlook, ultimately Europeans have always understood that their civilization was first and foremost defined by Christianity. Oh well, I suppose one could say the same thing about "latinos" that ironically define their "non-white" persona by clinging to a white European language forced upon them by their conquerors centuries ago.

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 17, 2011 06:36 AM (niZvt)

92 90 Ron Paul is a piece of shit and anyone who would vote for him is a moron. Posted by: Boxy Brown

Settled. Next thread, please.

Posted by: real joe at December 17, 2011 06:36 AM (w7Lv+)

93

The second punch thrown on the field/court gets the penalty flag.  Which is why every discussion of the "terrible" Crusades needs to bring up what the Crusades were in response to, precisely.

Posted by: Count de Monet, getting nothing but a lump of coal and liking it at December 17, 2011 06:38 AM (4q5tP)

94 He remind anybody else of Gollum?  Anybody got a video clip of him sayiing 'Precious'?  Bonus points if there is a 'My' in front of it

Posted by: AdamM at December 17, 2011 06:38 AM (bNIF9)

95 There's facts, and then there's keeping your head attached to your body. Which is going to be?

Posted by: The Scimitar of Free Speech at December 17, 2011 06:39 AM (FcR7P)

96 90 Ron Paul is a piece of shit and anyone who would vote for him is a moron.

Posted by: Boxy Brown at December 17, 2011 10:34 AM (exCPD)

So that would be RPIAPOSAAWWVFHIAM?  Doesn't has the same ring as SCOAMF but pretty close.

Posted by: DoomedinCA at December 17, 2011 06:39 AM (8DdAv)

97 94 The second punch thrown on the field/court gets the penalty flag. Which is why every discussion of the "terrible" Crusades needs to bring up what the Crusades were in response to, precisely. Posted by: Count de Monet, getting nothing but a lump of coal and liking it at December 17, 2011 10:38 AM (4q5tP) It's always easier to just use every topic as an illustration of white prejudice. Always.

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 17, 2011 06:40 AM (niZvt)

98 F*ck Paul and his childish minions.

Posted by: RWC at December 17, 2011 06:40 AM (zeBf8)

99 Islam is intrinsically evil. Its a system made up to cover the power grab of an evil, petty and vengeful man and it shows. There is nothing decent about it and nothing that would promote strengh of character.

Posted by: Elize Nayden, Newtist at December 17, 2011 06:40 AM (R5KId)

100 Man, I'll be glad once November 2012 has come and gone. Then maybe we can talk about important cultural topics, such as boobs, exciting underwear, and landing strips again.

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 17, 2011 06:41 AM (niZvt)

101 It's good RP is getting out and making sure the public is well aware what kind of a nut he is beyond calling out the fiscal insanity of the Federal Reserve. Maybe this will cause him to crater in time before stealing valuable time and scrutiny better spent on the serious candidates.

Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston training for the ONT mudwrestling match at December 17, 2011 06:41 AM (ijjAe)

102 63 CoolCzech wrote:

That reminded me of my boyhood wish to ride Jeannie's Flying Carpet..

Fixed it for ya.

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at December 17, 2011 06:41 AM (93YMp)

103 "We pray that people of all faiths, all races, all nations, may have their great human needs satisfied; that those now denied opportunity shall come to enjoy it to the full; that all who yearn for freedom may experience its spiritual blessings; that those who have freedom will understand, also, its heavy responsibilities; that all who are insensitive to the needs of others will learn charity; that the scourges of poverty, disease and ignorance will be made to disappear from the earth, and that, in the goodness of time, all people will come to live together in peace guaranteed by the binding force of mutual respect and love." Which U.S. President said these words?

Posted by: Lojack at December 17, 2011 06:42 AM (ucERL)

104 Ron Paul: the Gold Standard for Crazy.

Posted by: Joe Mama at December 17, 2011 06:43 AM (dOsjQ)

105 College bowls start today.  Woot!

Posted by: toby928© at December 17, 2011 06:43 AM (GTbGH)

106 100 Islam is intrinsically evil. Its a system made up to cover the power grab of an evil, petty and vengeful man and it shows. There is nothing decent about it and nothing that would promote strengh of character. Posted by: Elize Nayden, Newtist at December 17, 2011 10:40 AM (R5KId) I would say it is not unfair to say - just looking at the sort of countries that espouse it - that Islam is inimical to modernity - in the economic, political, and human rights sense. Christianity led to the 21st century. Islam is stuck in the 6th. Each and every time I see a woman walking around with a veil around her head like she's a member of some pasha's harem, it churns my stomach to think that the 6th century is still with us.

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 17, 2011 06:44 AM (niZvt)

107
Sen. Rand Paul will (and should) suffer for this.

Rand is fully on board with Ron's candidacy and positions.


Posted by: soothsayer at December 17, 2011 06:44 AM (sqkOB)

108

The fact that this bothers Paul makes me despise the bastard all the more.  No candidate could endorse an anti-muslim policy strong enough to suit me.  There is no anti-muz measure that is too strong. Whichever candidate is most willing to rid America of that problem is the one who I most favor.

Rawn Pawl - drop dead you P.O.S.

 

Posted by: Reactionary at December 17, 2011 06:44 AM (jfeoD)

109 Which U.S. President said these words?

Ike was always a bit squishy in the hierarchical governance department.

Posted by: toby928© at December 17, 2011 06:45 AM (GTbGH)

110
And I don't like Muslims, either.

But I really don't like having shitheads in the Republican party who don't know when to keep their fuckin mouths shut.

Posted by: soothsayer at December 17, 2011 06:45 AM (sqkOB)

111 Religion of Throat Slitting and Crying Like a Little Pussy Bitch That People Don't Like Us.

Posted by: Mike James at December 17, 2011 10:05 AM (E5gnO)


I'll be stealing this line.  Thanks.

Posted by: NC Ref at December 17, 2011 06:45 AM (WCQp7)

112 Christianity led to the 21st century. Islam is stuck in the 6th. Each and every time I see a woman walking around with a veil around her head like she's a member of some pasha's harem, it churns my stomach to think that the 6th century is still with us.

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 17, 2011 10:44 AM (niZvt)

Totally in agreement. I also make sure to mean mug them because I'm an asshole like that.

Fuck muslims.

Posted by: ErikW at December 17, 2011 06:47 AM (l1WLx)

113

So that would be RPIAPOSAAWWVFHIAM?

Posted by: DoomedinCA at December 17, 2011 10:39 AM (8DdAv)


I told you, I don't speak Austrian.

Posted by: SCOAMF at December 17, 2011 06:47 AM (WCQp7)

114 100 Islam is intrinsically evil. Its a system made up to cover the power grab of an evil, petty and vengeful man and it shows. There is nothing decent about it and nothing that would promote strengh of character.

Posted by: Elize Nayden, Newtist at December 17, 2011 10:40 AM (R5KId)

I don't believe my Muslim friends see you as being intrinsically evil.  Misguided perhaps, but not evil. 

I wish you luck with that.

Posted by: Burt TC at December 17, 2011 06:48 AM (TOk1P)

115
Eisenhower also warned about the "military industrial complex" when he was leaving office.

Ron Paul = Eisenhower?

Posted by: soothsayer at December 17, 2011 06:48 AM (sqkOB)

116 Christianity led to the 21st century. Islam is stuck in the 6th. Each and every time I see a woman walking around with a veil around her head like she's a member of some pasha's harem, it churns my stomach to think that the 6th century is still with us.

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 17, 2011 10:44 AM (niZvt)

 

I'll go one further.  The Islam of the 6th century, while still depraved and worthy of eradication, was almost certainly more reasonable and humane than it is now.  Some of them (no Mo himself, of course) actually showed restraint, and the lack of modern tech and marxist doctrine made them less virulent than the scum we face in modern times.  Vic linked an article yesterday describing an incident where muz just recently chopped off a women's breasts for daring to breast feed in the privacy of her own home and, as if that were not satanic enough, they then forced neighboring women to eat pieces of the flesh.

Posted by: Reactionary at December 17, 2011 06:48 AM (jfeoD)

117 The greatest Hypocrisy that hangs like an ugly cloud around Islam is the question of human sexuality and the treatment of women. Muslims dare talk about Western pornography, when - due to their repressive societies - they are the biggest porn hounds of all. They execute homosexuals, but are the most notorious cultures of boy-rape of all. Even Westerners participate in the Islam Hypocrisy. When was the last time NOW took a breather from whining about our supposedly patriarchal society to address the plight of women in the Middle East? To even express concern over Honor Killings in AMERICA? To Rail Against the Veil?? Muslim Polygamy? It's almost too disgusting to think about.

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 17, 2011 06:49 AM (niZvt)

118 Re.104
"The ambassador answered us that [the right to extort money and take slaves] was founded on the Laws of the Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have answered their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Mussulman who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise."

Which U.S. President said these words?

Posted by: Boxy Brown at December 17, 2011 06:49 AM (exCPD)

119 Proof: Jay Leno is smarter than Ron Paul.

You want to know how big of an ego someone has?.. Just ask him his opinion of someone else.

Ron Paul bit, hook, line, and sinker.

He just can't help himself.

Posted by: franksalterego at December 17, 2011 06:49 AM (9XykO)

120 Ron Paul = Eisenhower?

Except for the crushing of Nazism part.

Posted by: toby928© at December 17, 2011 06:49 AM (GTbGH)

121
hahahaha @ all the 'enlightened' and tolerant folks

the muslims will kill, rape, or enslave you last

Posted by: soothsayer at December 17, 2011 06:50 AM (sqkOB)

122 they then forced neighboring women to eat pieces of the flesh.


How do you say Hostel IV in Farsi?

Posted by: Wodeshed at December 17, 2011 06:51 AM (SgLsM)

123 "Islam is intrinsically evil."

Sure, and it's not the only religion which is.

Posted by: Random at December 17, 2011 06:52 AM (YiE0S)

124 The supreme irony, of course, is that American Liberals and NOW are much, much more tolerant of, and willing to defend, Islam than they can stomach the thought that some fundamentalist Christians actually have a problem with the theory of evolution! Just amazing what they consider important.

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 17, 2011 06:52 AM (niZvt)

125 I think if crazy Ron goes third party he'll draw more votes from the block that believed in Barry's "Hope and Change" with his legalize drugs and just eliminate foreign aid than from people trying to save the country from the SCOAMF.

Nice thought, but nope. Those fuckers won't even get out of bed long enough to cast a vote.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 17, 2011 06:52 AM (piMMO)

126

Posted by: soothsayer at December 17, 2011 10:50 AM (sqkOB)

 

Well said.  Though, as Europe is starting to prove, they may actually be the first enslaved.  Better to die fighting islam than to live under it.  It's the only system of belief I know of (still common in modern times) that is worse than communism.

Posted by: Reactionary at December 17, 2011 06:54 AM (jfeoD)

127 "Vic linked an article yesterday describing an incident where muz just recently chopped off a women's breasts for daring to breast feed in the privacy of her own home and, as if that were not satanic enough, they then forced neighboring women to eat pieces of the flesh."

I'm pretty sure that's run-of-the mill psychopathy as manifested through a religious lens, rather than Islam calling for cutting off of breastfeeding women's breasts and the eating thereof.

To be fair.

Posted by: Random at December 17, 2011 06:54 AM (YiE0S)

128
Ron is really starting to show his age.

As they said in The Godfather, "He's slipping."

As my father used to say of his mother (my grandma), "She's failing."

Posted by: soothsayer at December 17, 2011 06:54 AM (sqkOB)

129 Jokers the left of me, clowns off to the right.   Can't the GOP come up with some sticky tape to catch the crackpots before they get in the house?

Posted by: SarahW at December 17, 2011 06:54 AM (LYwCh)

130 Sick ass extremism in the promotion of progressivist phantasms is no vice...

Posted by: M. Murcek at December 17, 2011 06:54 AM (ToZXn)

131 The Islam of the 6th century, while still depraved and worthy of eradication, was almost certainly more reasonable and humane than it is now.

Oh, totally.  The veil, the clit-chopping, and the bans on anything approaching fun are all recent (in the last ~70 years) inventions by radical imams.

Posted by: Ian S. at December 17, 2011 06:54 AM (Lpdzt)

132 116 Eisenhower also warned about the "military industrial complex" when he was leaving office. ------------------------------------ It was the same speech.

Posted by: Lojack at December 17, 2011 06:56 AM (ucERL)

133 And yes, Gingrich mouthed the word progressive.  I will not vote for him...

Posted by: M. Murcek at December 17, 2011 06:56 AM (ToZXn)

134 And fuck Iowa too; what a joke that neither party doesn't tell that state of assholes and their bullshit caucuses to go to the end of the line.

I'm with ya. I'm damn sick of Iowa, New Hampshire, and EFFING NEVADA(!), selecting our candidates for us while states such as Florida get their asses whooped for daring to suggest otherwise.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 17, 2011 06:56 AM (piMMO)

135 I have Muslim friends and acquaintances , so I never can buy into Muslim hatred. I know them too well, and frankly they tend to oppose the leadership in countries like Iran as much as I do. Some of them fall for political propaganda in regards to the Iraq war, but they're decent people.

 I'll criticize the religion to their face, though. Why should a religion be protected from criticism? The whole idea that mocking religion is "racism" is absurd.

 Anyways, my point is that criticism of Islam doesn't = mass hatred of a billion people. Ron Paul is playing liberal games, and it's annoying as hell.

Posted by: Crazee at December 17, 2011 06:57 AM (sbtxl)

136

I don't believe my Muslim friends see you as being intrinsically evil.  Misguided perhaps, but not evil. 

I wish you luck with that.

Posted by: Burt TC at December 17, 2011 10:48 AM (TOk1P
Perhaps your muslim friends are indeed unique.  I wish you luck with that and hope you never have to pay the jizya.  But forgive me if I worry just a little bit that a religion that formally embraces the concept of taquiyya might just not be dealing with you in a straightforward manner.  Those that believe in "death to the infidel" as a religious precept (and it IS a precept of islam) are not likely to preach it on the street corners until they are in a position of strength to actually do it.

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 17, 2011 06:58 AM (i3+c5)

137 I'm pretty sure that's run-of-the mill psychopathy as manifested through a religious lens, rather than Islam calling for cutting off of breastfeeding women's breasts and the eating thereof.

To be fair.

Posted by: Random at December 17, 2011 10:54 AM (YiE0S)

I'm pretty sure you are manifesting the head-in-sand syndrome.

To be fair.

Posted by: KG at December 17, 2011 06:59 AM (KfTho)

138 "clit-chopping, and ... are all recent (in the last ~70 years) inventions by radical imams."

Well, I think that's older African tribal practices, which doesn't make it less sick.

In any case, Islam jumped on the baby-genital-mutilation bandwagon rather late in the game, don't you think?

Compared to others.

Posted by: Random at December 17, 2011 06:59 AM (YiE0S)

139 #119 Teddy Roosevelt?

Posted by: Joe Mama at December 17, 2011 06:59 AM (dOsjQ)

140 Sure, and it's not the only religion which is.

I've got my money on Scientology for its ability to totally eff up its members. I wouldn't want to be a poor person in that cult.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 17, 2011 06:59 AM (piMMO)

141 And fuck Iowa too; what a joke that neither party doesn't tell that state of assholes and their bullshit caucuses to go to the end of the line.

I'm with ya. I'm damn sick of Iowa, New Hampshire, and EFFING NEVADA(!), selecting our candidates for us while states such as Florida get their asses whooped for daring to suggest otherwise.

There's NO reason ANY state should be special in the primary process.  NONE...

Posted by: M. Murcek at December 17, 2011 06:59 AM (ToZXn)

142 I'm pretty sure that's run-of-the mill psychopathy as manifested through a religious lens, rather than Islam calling for cutting off of breastfeeding women's breasts and the eating thereof.

To be fair.

Posted by: Random at December 17, 2011 10:54 AM (YiE0S)

 

I'll conceed the point that it's not a specific "thou shalt cut off breasts" command that's behind this.  But consider the mentality that islam itself, through specific directives and pronouncements, embeds in the minds of its adherents.  Per islamic texts, non-believers aren't just hell-bound objects of divine judgment - they're subhumans devoid of any claim to basic human dignity who must be made to suffer.  To kill them is laudable, and the only way in islamic theology to actually be "sure" you're going to heaven is to die fighting the infidel.  No other muz even gets to feel some measure of spiritual security. 

It creates diseased minds.  The "nice" muslims that people know and so often report on are either not enducated in the central ethos of their faith, or else they reject it and choose to resolve the congitive dissonce through the simpe expedient of denial.   

 

Posted by: Reactionary at December 17, 2011 07:00 AM (jfeoD)

143 So if Eisenhower warned us of the military industrial complex, and military spending is now 36% of the federal budget, does it appear we have heeded his warning?

Posted by: Lojack at December 17, 2011 07:00 AM (ucERL)

144 My mouth dropped open in shock recently when I saw a woman with full chador? or (whatever the full black outfit is called). I saw two woman in those at JFK airport. Now I ask you: if I walked around JFK International Airport wearing a skimask... What would happen??

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 17, 2011 07:01 AM (niZvt)

145 "I don't believe my Muslim friends see you as being intrinsically evil.  Misguided perhaps, but not evil."

Yeah, it's a tough one. I've had a few Muslim friends, really lovers. Back when I was totally ignorant about Islam, this went pretty well. It was just more variety of women and pussy, and I love variety.

Now that I'm not, we tend to eventually get in drag-out, knock-down fights over just why they think a mass murdering pedophile torturer-rapist liar (flying horse? really?) is the greatest man in history and - more offensively - better than me.

These conversations go badly. Sometimes I keep them around for the sex after that, but ignore marriage proposals.

Posted by: Random at December 17, 2011 07:01 AM (YiE0S)

146 "She hates Muslims."  Who doesn't?

Posted by: ABouts at December 17, 2011 07:02 AM (BQvS5)

147 Some of them fall for political propaganda in regards to the Iraq war, but they're decent people.

Fall for propaganda, but are decent people.  Go stand in front of the mirror and say "Mutually exclusive" until you get it...

Posted by: M. Murcek at December 17, 2011 07:03 AM (ToZXn)

148 Islam is fundamentaly different than other religions. Their high prophet was a murderous, pedophilic warlord. The only reason I say that I hate Islam and not Muslims is because Islam is a death cult that kills anyone who dares leave. The work would be a far better place had Muhammad been strangled by his own umbilical cord.

Posted by: Lauren at December 17, 2011 07:03 AM (MiVfa)

149 The guy really looks like he could stunt-double in Leprechaun.

Posted by: Jimmuy at December 17, 2011 07:03 AM (8SQ/2)

150
I'm all in favor of deep cuts in defense.

We're spending $700B/yr and getting $500B worth. Too much waste.

Posted by: soothsayer at December 17, 2011 07:03 AM (sqkOB)

151 I'll conceed the point that it's not a specific "thou shalt cut off breasts" command that's behind this. Yes, but Muslims have had a thing for lopping off body parts for a long, long time - have they not? How is lopping off breasts different from hands or heads, for that matter? A woman in Saudi Arabia was just murdered that way over there for "sorcery." Fucking Primitives. And a pox on the West for fearing to call Primitives for what they are. THERE! I said it!!

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 17, 2011 07:03 AM (niZvt)

152 There's NO reason ANY state should be special in the primary process.  NONE...

Hell, Fred never even made to Florida! Certain states pick certain types of candidates time and time again. It's tradition rigged.

Rotate out the states or hold them all on one day, but cut the shit that's been going on for far too long.

What? We don't wanna piss off Iowa?!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 17, 2011 07:03 AM (piMMO)

153
Don't get me started on Iowans.


Posted by: soothsayer at December 17, 2011 07:04 AM (sqkOB)

154 The "nice" muslims that people know and so often report on are either not enducated in the central ethos of their faith, or else they reject it and choose to resolve the congitive dissonce through the simpe expedient of denial.  

Yeah, I'll agree with that. I was thinking about a recent girl in my above comment, and the marriage proposals came a few days after her shouting I should die and go to Hell.

She's a medical student, by the way. Fairly well educated in a general sense.

Posted by: Random at December 17, 2011 07:04 AM (YiE0S)

155 "Don't get me started on Iowans."

Yeah. That's its whole special topic.

Posted by: Random at December 17, 2011 07:05 AM (YiE0S)

156 I'm all in favor of deep cuts in defense.

We're spending $700B/yr and getting $500B worth. Too much waste.

I'm not in favor of "deep cuts" but necessary cuts of waste. I would not forfeit the money but redirect it to restrengthening our defense.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 17, 2011 07:05 AM (piMMO)

157 In order for the military industrial complex to survive and expand, is it necessary for the U.S. government to convince its citizenry of constant threats by ever-changing mortal enemies?

Posted by: Lojack at December 17, 2011 07:05 AM (ucERL)

158 So if Eisenhower warned us of the military industrial complex, and military spending is now 36% of the federal budget, does it appear we have heeded his warning?

Posted by: Lojack at December 17, 2011 11:00 AM (ucERL)

As opposed to entitlement spending which will take up 100% and more of the federal budget in the coming years, military spending is important, how exactly?

Posted by: KG at December 17, 2011 07:05 AM (KfTho)

159 A woman in Saudi Arabia was just murdered that way over there for "sorcery." Fucking Primitives.

I agree, but then this is the exact sentence called for sorcery in the Bible.

Just sayin'.

Posted by: Random at December 17, 2011 07:06 AM (YiE0S)

160 Is PEACE ever likely to break out.......anywhere.........in a weaponized world? Is "peace through strength" possible?

Posted by: Lojack at December 17, 2011 07:07 AM (ucERL)

161 The problem with Islam is that the religious leaders advocate the sickest ideas, whereas other religions "leaders" advocate things like evangelism or even political philosophy. Islam will never be free unless they understand that religious leaders should have their role minimized in their lives. That's why the Reformation was important, Christians (including Catholics) are able to read the book and read for themselves. And frankly, most people just want to get on with their lives.

 Islam is still trapped in a theocracy in most of the world, a lot of Muslims can't even read in those countries. And yet, their "leaders" hold them to the strictest arbitrary morality you can think of. They need an enlightenment.

 Ron Paul is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure, btw.

Posted by: Crazee at December 17, 2011 07:08 AM (sbtxl)

162 I agree, but then this is the exact sentence called for sorcery in the Bible.

Just sayin'.

When's that last effin time women were regularly murdered for being sorcerers by Christian zealots?

Just sayin'.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 17, 2011 07:08 AM (piMMO)

163
The Al Qaeda helper living in MA might get a life sentence.

Closing arguments for his case were made this week.

Defense attorneys for Mehanna said just because he was angry at the U.S. for being in Iraq it doesn't mean he deserves a life sentence.

That's true. But Mehanna wanted to commit mass murder because he was angry at the U.S. for being in Iraq.

Posted by: soothsayer at December 17, 2011 07:08 AM (sqkOB)

164 Posted by: Lojack at December 17, 2011 11:07 AM (ucERL)

Ah, so you've unmasked yourself. Thank you for saving me any further concerned trouble.

Posted by: KG at December 17, 2011 07:08 AM (KfTho)

165
Is "peace through strength" possible?

Ahem, YES!!!!

Posted by: Your 40th President at December 17, 2011 07:09 AM (piMMO)

166 Does God favor and entrust one nation over another?

Posted by: Lojack at December 17, 2011 07:09 AM (ucERL)

167
Ron Paul cut off a Bosnian woman's boobs in Iowa?

Posted by: Evelyn Wood, speed reading the comments at December 17, 2011 07:09 AM (SgLsM)

168 Is "peace through strength" possible? Posted by: Lojack at December 17, 2011 11:07 AM (ucERL) A hell of a lot more possible than peace throughout weakness

Posted by: nevergiveup at December 17, 2011 07:10 AM (eCnLg)

169 Yeah, I'll agree with that. I was thinking about a recent girl in my above comment, and the marriage proposals came a few days after her shouting I should die and go to Hell.

She's a medical student, by the way. Fairly well educated in a general sense.

Posted by: Random at December 17, 2011 11:04 AM (YiE0S)

 

I think what you just commented on from your experience backs up an important concept - education doesn't necessarily deprogram a person from Islamic belief.  People usually think of the terrorist types as hicks from bum-f*ck Whatsitstan, and forget that the most successful terrorists have been educated.  And doctors appear to be common among them.  Some are surprised by this - but after I read about how so many Islamic English doctors were being caught intentionally harming their patients I realized the the "healing profession" is no curative for that toxic mindset either.

 

Posted by: Reactionary at December 17, 2011 07:10 AM (jfeoD)

170 I have my head up my ass Just sayin'.

Posted by: Randomz at December 17, 2011 07:10 AM (MiVfa)

171 The problem with Islam is that the religious leaders advocate the sickest ideas, whereas other religions "leaders" advocate things like evangelism or even political philosophy.

I agree 100% that the other monotheistic religions have; by both having their asses kicked by reasoned minds, and the longer march of history; moderated to the point where they are generally much more liveable -- despite their equally awful source texts.

Posted by: Random at December 17, 2011 07:10 AM (YiE0S)

172
Posted by: Random

There's something you need to know.

I have a super power. I can reach through your screen and poke your eyes out.

Posted by: soothsayer at December 17, 2011 07:10 AM (sqkOB)

173 Post from yesterday

Highly enlightened Muslims perform radical mastectomies in Pockistan and feed the masses

These sick fks need to irradiated from the face of the earth.


Posted by: Vic at December 17, 2011 07:11 AM (YdQQY)

174 163 A woman in Saudi Arabia was just murdered that way over there for "sorcery." Fucking Primitives. I agree, but then this is the exact sentence called for sorcery in the Bible. Just sayin'. Posted by: Random at December 17, 2011 11:06 AM (YiE0S) I think most Christians and Jews reached the conclusion that law codes promulgated during the late Bronze Age probably need updating. They may couch it in terms of "new covenants" or whatever, but that's the bottom line.

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 17, 2011 07:11 AM (niZvt)

175 Does God favor and entrust one nation over another? Posted by: Lojack at December 17, 2011 11:09 AM (ucERL) Yes of course, what's your point?

Posted by: G-D at December 17, 2011 07:11 AM (eCnLg)

176 A woman in Saudi Arabia was just murdered that way over there for "sorcery." Fucking Primitives.

I agree, but then this is the exact sentence called for sorcery in the Bible.

Just sayin'.

Understanding, as a denizen of the 21st century should, that there's NO SUCH THING as sorcery, we could, uh, maybe put the apocalyptic penalties aside.

Unless you want to burn climate crisis peddlers at the stake, that, I'll gladly get in on...

Posted by: M. Murcek at December 17, 2011 07:11 AM (ToZXn)

177

Talking about Islam and about Muslims are two different issues to a certain extent. Nobody can be blamed for the belief system he is born into. But like with every other totalitarianism, neutrality in the end means enabling. So even if you are a decent individual in your own right, what does it say about you and your character, that you personally make peace or truce with a religion that calls for the murder of those who leave it? Thats why it is intrinsically evil, it corrupts even those who do not really buy into it.

Posted by: Elize Nayden, Newtist at December 17, 2011 07:11 AM (R5KId)

178 I dont like Muslims... and I dont like Ron Paul.

Michelle, is that you?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 17, 2011 07:12 AM (piMMO)

179 I separated a woman's boobs with my sword more than once, but in a good way IYKWIMAIKTYD.

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 17, 2011 07:12 AM (niZvt)

180 Ron paul in the morning. Not sure that is a good idea

Posted by: nevergiveup at December 17, 2011 07:13 AM (eCnLg)

181 So if Eisenhower warned us of the military industrial complex, and military spending is now 36% of the federal budget, does it appear we have heeded his warning?

Posted by: Lojack at December 17, 2011 11:00 AM (ucERL)

Did he do that before or after he sent the first troops to Vietnam?

Posted by: robtr at December 17, 2011 07:13 AM (MtwBb)

182
Does God favor and entrust one nation over another?

As a matter of fact I do.  They're called my "chosen people."  You may care to read my book.

Posted by: Jehovah at December 17, 2011 07:13 AM (SgLsM)

183 Fall for propaganda, but are decent people.  Go stand in front of the mirror and say "Mutually exclusive" until you get it...

Posted by: M. Murcek at December 17, 2011 11:03 AM (ToZXn)

 Lots of young people fall for shit people tell them, because their perspective is still naive and ignorant. If someone is ignorant of how the world works, but has been great to me...does that mean I should think they're evil because they don't read as much as I do and take MSM reports seriously?

I try to inform them. I was pretty stupid once, too. People ARE able to learn...at least at this age. I did convince one girl I'm close to that the Ground Zero mosque is a bad idea.

 It's whatever, though. I don't like bad ideas, but a lot of people have bad ideas because they're raised with them. They're not personally evil.

 

Posted by: Crazee at December 17, 2011 07:14 AM (sbtxl)

184 "I think what you just commented on from your experience backs up an important concept - education doesn't necessarily deprogram a person from Islamic belief."

Very true. The Muslims that attacked that hospital in Scotland were doctors, weren't they? Weren't most of the 9/11 hijackers well off and reasonably well educated?

I gotta quote Christopher Hitchens here: "Religion poisons everything."

I think he exaggerated, since it's a mixed bag like everything else, but he was making a point about how it affects us more than how it affects the world. Exaggerated or not, it seemed a pretty good place to drop that Hitch quote in.

Posted by: Random at December 17, 2011 07:14 AM (YiE0S)

185 187 Does God favor and entrust one nation over another? Would it be an outrageous notion that he probably had a negative opinion of Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia?

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 17, 2011 07:14 AM (niZvt)

186 As a matter of fact I do.  They're called my "chosen people."  You may care to read my book.

Posted by: Jehovah at December 17, 2011 11:13 AM (SgLsM)

You are sitting on MY fukkin chair!

Posted by: Gingrichovah at December 17, 2011 07:15 AM (R5KId)

187
I was going to be the 4th best at the AoSHQ Bowl pick em, but nobody would ever give me the group id #.

I feel like Rudolph.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 17, 2011 07:15 AM (JYheX)

188 I think most Christians and Jews reached the conclusion that law codes promulgated during the late Bronze Age probably need updating. They may couch it in terms of "new covenants" or whatever, but that's the bottom line.

There are covenants.
There are laws.

The two are distinct in that covenants are from G-d, and the laws are derived from them and man-made.


Posted by: jwb7605 at December 17, 2011 07:15 AM (Qxe/p)

189 I hope Ron Paul runs as an independent or Libertarian.

He will take more votes from Obama's supporters than he will Gingrich's.

Posted by: American at December 17, 2011 07:15 AM (NWfYP)

190 #188 - shameless excuse peddling, nothing more...

Posted by: M. Murcek at December 17, 2011 07:15 AM (ToZXn)

191 As a matter of fact I do. They're called my "chosen people." You may care to read my book. Posted by: Jehovah at December 17, 2011 11:13 AM (SgLsM) Considering the price we've paid for being "chosen" over the centuries, sometimes we kind of wish you had chosen the French, instead.

Posted by: The Chosen People at December 17, 2011 07:16 AM (niZvt)

192 >>Now that I'm not, we tend to eventually get in drag-out, knock-down fights over just why they think a mass murdering pedophile torturer-rapist liar (flying horse? really?) is the greatest man in history and - more offensively - better than me.

These conversations go badly. Sometimes I keep them around for the sex after that, but ignore marriage proposals.

Posted by: Random at December 17, 2011 11:01 AM (YiE0S)

He was all that and yet still better than you because YOU. ARE A. FUCKING. TROLL.

Posted by: ontherocks at December 17, 2011 07:16 AM (HBqDo)

193 Anyways, my point is that criticism of Islam doesn't = mass hatred of a billion people. Ron Paul is playing liberal games, and it's annoying as hell.

The cardiologist who operated on my heart, and saved my life, is a Muslim - or at least of Muslim descent. I don't know what his religious beliefs are, because the topic has never come up; but he's a damn good physician, and a good man who treats his decently and his staff fairly.

It is fair to criticize a belief system. It is fair, and indeed obligatory, to resist the creeping dhimmitude in our own country, and to kill those who engage in terrorism. But anyone who disparages an entire people for the crimes of a few is simply wrong: leave that shit to the Left.

Posted by: Brown Line at December 17, 2011 07:16 AM (zMzWl)

194 Pretty much the same as saying "turds will stop stinking any day now.."

Posted by: M. Murcek at December 17, 2011 07:16 AM (ToZXn)

195 I gotta quote Christopher Hitchens here: "Religion poisons everything."

I think he exaggerated, since it's a mixed bag like everything else, but he was making a point about how it affects us more than how it affects the world. Exaggerated or not, it seemed a pretty good place to drop that Hitch quote in.


Really? I have the feeling you've been waiting for an opportunity to drop that quote.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 17, 2011 07:16 AM (piMMO)

196 I gotta quote Christopher Hitchens here: "Religion poisons everything." Well, there have been two great exercises in totalitarian attempts at ridding the West of its religion. How did those work out for Christopher?

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 17, 2011 07:17 AM (niZvt)

197

You are sitting on MY fukkin chair!

Posted by: Gingrichovah


Oh, I've got a chair for you all right buddy.  It's around here someplace.....oh, that's right...it's downstairs, if you take my meaning.

Posted by: Jehovah at December 17, 2011 07:17 AM (SgLsM)

198 Oh please, Random. Explain to me how anything advocated by Christ was a call for us to kill others in his name. Muhammad literally killed people by cutting off their heads and quartering their bodies. He told his followers to do the same. But you're right, they're totally the same thing./

Posted by: Lauren at December 17, 2011 07:18 AM (MiVfa)

199
Considering the price we've paid for being "chosen" over the centuries, sometimes we kind of wish you had chosen the French, instead.

Yeah, Job was saying that the other day.  My bad.

Posted by: Jehovah at December 17, 2011 07:20 AM (SgLsM)

200 It just seems to me that any objective comparison of Jesus, His life and teaching, with that of Mohammed's is as stark a contrast as between day and night.

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 17, 2011 07:21 AM (niZvt)

201 And doctors appear to be common among them.  Some are surprised by this - but after I read about how so many Islamic English doctors were being caught intentionally harming their patients I realized the the "healing profession" is no curative for that toxic mindset either.

Doctors were the highest-represented profession in the Nazi party.

Posted by: Random at December 17, 2011 07:21 AM (YiE0S)

202 Paul's a shit. I see he has a background in racism against Blacks. No way, to hell with him. He doesn't have the character to be president. Fuck him.

Posted by: ahem at December 17, 2011 07:21 AM (ZUqYq)

203
 I think C.S Lewis once pointed out that the problem with burning witches isn't that burning witches is wrong, since witches are accused of all sorts of terrible behavior. The problem is that witches don't exist.

 

Posted by: Crazee at December 17, 2011 07:21 AM (sbtxl)

204 I agree, but then this is the exact sentence called for sorcery in the Bible.

Just sayin'.

Posted by: Random at December 17, 2011 11:06 AM (YiE0S)

 

Fair enough.  Of course, personally it would not bother me if someone were somehow proved to be involved in actual (supernatural) sorcery and was executed for it.  Whereas in Iran and other such hell holes the acusation is simply used to eliminate inconvenient people. 

One can also talk about the old commands to execute adulterers.  It's pretty harsh, and I don't advocate bringing those laws into being here, but how long would a low-tech society hold together with family structures as fragmented and f-ed up as we have in this country?  However - in a reasonable faith, such a thing should be seen as horribly sad, regrettable, and NOT TO BE CELEBRATED.  Plus, people would look for ways out, reasons to make exceptions, etc.  Whereas in Islam they love that shit - they revel in the feeling of righteous superiority, and soak up the joy of destruction of other people like mothers milk.  Crowds turn out with enthusiam to stone their neighbors.  It's sick.  For pete's sake, they use gang rape as a "legal" penalty. 

I contend that it's not just the cruelty of islamic law that makes it evil - it's the hate toward one's fellow man that it engenders that is most toxic.

 

Posted by: Reactionary at December 17, 2011 07:22 AM (jfeoD)

205 "Belief system should not be blamed on the believer"

Quit wasting everyone's time with that crap

Posted by: M. Murcek at December 17, 2011 07:22 AM (ToZXn)

206 I'm sorry. I just can't get past someone quoting Hitchens as if he's listed between Aristotle and Kierkegaad in the book of great philosophers.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 17, 2011 07:22 AM (piMMO)

207

So?

Posted by: Mr. Wonderful at December 17, 2011 07:22 AM (sFhEw)

208 I think C.S Lewis once pointed out that the problem with burning witches isn't that burning witches is wrong, since witches are accused of all sorts of terrible behavior. The problem is that witches don't exist.

When convenient, I'm going to steal that without permission.

Posted by: jwb7605 at December 17, 2011 07:23 AM (Qxe/p)

209 It just seems to me that any objective comparison of Jesus, His life and teaching, with that of Mohammed's is as stark a contrast as between day and night.

Midnight and noon.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 17, 2011 07:24 AM (piMMO)

210 "It just seems to me that any objective comparison of Jesus, His life and teaching, with that of Mohammed's is as stark a contrast as between day and night."

Yes, however ... I think Jesus's teachings ultimately are more destructive, biologically, for our species, by a long chain of events.

He unleashed the best and most enjoyable parts of life which led to a system we all support which will probably kill our offspring.

It's a long, elaborate argument and I don't want to make it in full here. But in essence, Jews and then even more Jesus valued the individual in their relationship with God over kin, and this lead to human rights, which lead to political freedom, which lead to capitalism, which lead to a much greater standard of living and more human happiness, which lead to invention and greater technology, which lead to even a higher standard of living and more human happiness, which leads to us being on the cusp of creating artificial intelligences which will obsolete us as the dominant species on this planet.

If nothing else, and you don't buy "AI Singularity" as a threat, just look at the weapons we have created through this process.

I don't think Mohammed's descendants and adherents would have quite managed that on their own.

Posted by: Random at December 17, 2011 07:26 AM (YiE0S)

211 Doctors were the highest-represented profession in the Nazi party.

Posted by: Random at December 17, 2011 11:21 AM (YiE0S)

 

Interesting.  Did not know that.  Makes sense in a way - I can see how doctoring would tend to make people into a commodity.  And I think we can safely say that most doctors have a bit of a god complex.

Posted by: Reactionary at December 17, 2011 07:27 AM (jfeoD)

212 If nothing else, and you don't buy "AI Singularity" as a threat, just look at the weapons we have created through this process.

I don't think Mohammed's descendants and adherents would have quite managed that on their own.

Posted by: Random at December 17, 2011 11:26 AM (YiE0S)


You are out of your fucking mind.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 17, 2011 07:28 AM (piMMO)

213

I contend that it's not just the cruelty of islamic law that makes it evil - it's the hate toward one's fellow man that it engenders that is most toxic.

 Posted by: Reactionary at December 17, 2011 11:22 AM (jfeoD)

No arguments about what you said. Well thought out.

And, not incidentally, that's the opposite of Jesus's teachings. I touched on that in my previous comment, although reached a counterintuitive and ironic conclusion.

Posted by: Random at December 17, 2011 07:29 AM (YiE0S)

214 Wow, the crazy just got really strong in this thread.

Posted by: Lauren at December 17, 2011 07:29 AM (MiVfa)

215 I'm sorry. I just can't get past someone quoting Hitchens as if he's listed between Aristotle and Kierkegaad in the book of great philosophers.

Hitchens gives lots of current day writers a hard-on cause he said things they believe better than they could.  Does NOT make him a philosopher, or even remotely correct.

"I had a scotch (or gin & tonic) with him once.  His greatness rubbed off on me a bit...  Oh, and the cigarette!  I came in my pants!"

(wet puking noises follow...)

Posted by: M. Murcek at December 17, 2011 07:29 AM (ToZXn)

216 It's a long, elaborate argument and I don't want to make it in full here. wth? Nothing's prevented you from going on at length before. You must be in the *Holiday* Spirit.

Posted by: tasker at December 17, 2011 07:31 AM (r2PLg)

217 Did not know that.  Makes sense in a way - I can see how doctoring would tend to make people into a commodity.  And I think we can safely say that most doctors have a bit of a god complex.

The early Nazi exterminations were carried out - with something approaching great gusto - in psychiatric hospitals.

Posted by: Random at December 17, 2011 07:31 AM (YiE0S)

218 Doctors were the highest-represented profession in the Nazi party. Posted by: Random at December 17, 2011 11:21 AM (YiE0S) Really?

Posted by: Albert Speer, Architect at December 17, 2011 07:31 AM (niZvt)

219 @221: I think Random is trying to turn over a new leaf... don't discourage him...

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 17, 2011 07:32 AM (niZvt)

220 I think Random is trying to turn over a new leaf... don't discourage him...

No hell no he's not.

Whatever it is he was going to say and didn't will still be said before the day is done.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 17, 2011 07:34 AM (piMMO)

221 leaf...smells more like Cedar....

Posted by: tasker at December 17, 2011 07:36 AM (r2PLg)

222 Bwahahahahah Ron Paul got smarted by Bachmann? Bachmann is a retard as are her supporters warmongering cunt

Posted by: Ron Paul's Momentum at December 17, 2011 07:36 AM (tJa5V)

223 In the parable of the sower, random must have been one of the seeds devoured by the birds of the air.

Posted by: Count de Monet at December 17, 2011 07:38 AM (4q5tP)

224 The Doctors of the Holocaust
by Brandi Newman

It was the medical ideal of racial hygiene that spread through German politics and lent scientific credibility to the Nazi movement from the very outset" (Tarantola, 1993). Robert N. Proctor, Ph.D. stated, "Doctors in fact joined the Nazi party earlier and in greater numbers than any other professional group." Dr. Dina Poraty, head of the Project for the Study of Antisemitism at Tel Aviv University, added, "The German medical association was quite fanatic, and eagerly expelled its Jewish doctors. They took part willingly in the Nazification of their own profession. They were not forced." Dr. Poraty also presented the statistic that 45% of the doctors in Germany joined the Nazi party (many of those even before Hitler's rise to power), compared to 7% of the teachers in Germany (Tarantola, 1993).

Posted by: Random at December 17, 2011 07:40 AM (YiE0S)

225 In the parable of the sower, random must have been one of the seeds devoured by the birds of the air.

I won't be a supporter of even a reformed (largely by the Romans moderating the Jewish culture through centuries of occupation) bronze-age, barbaric religion, if that's what you meant.

Posted by: Random at December 17, 2011 07:42 AM (YiE0S)

226 >>@221: I think Random is trying to turn over a new leaf... don't discourage him...
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 17, 2011 11:32 AM (niZvt)

Please.

It just gets more encouraged with engagement, and with that more ridiculous an mendacious. It misinterprets others' tolerance and patience as some sort of approval, which is the definition of a fool.

 

Posted by: ontherocks at December 17, 2011 07:43 AM (HBqDo)

227 The Doctors of the Holocaust
by Brandi Newman

He should just stick to writing movie themes.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 17, 2011 07:44 AM (piMMO)

228 I stopped watching Leno, Letterman and the rest because not only are they lefty shills, but they've gotten painfully boring besides

Posted by: kbdabear at December 17, 2011 07:45 AM (Y+DPZ)

229 I stopped watching Leno, Letterman and the rest because not only are they lefty shills, but they've gotten painfully boring besides

The trolls here are much more amusing.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 17, 2011 07:46 AM (piMMO)

230 I like his song about fat people got no reason to live.

It's as good a reason for the oft-noble act of suicide as any another.

Posted by: Random at December 17, 2011 07:54 AM (YiE0S)

231 Is it just me, or has Random gone from annoying to weapons-grade stupid?

Posted by: brian at December 17, 2011 07:54 AM (y05cf)

232 I like his song about fat people got no reason to live.

Add old people to the list.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 17, 2011 07:55 AM (piMMO)

233 Is it just me, or has Random gone from annoying to weapons-grade stupid?

That's only because the Christian faith has propelled mankind into a fully developed mindset which allows you recognize his stupidity.

Just ask him.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 17, 2011 08:00 AM (piMMO)

234 The keyword is survival on the New Frontier.

Posted by: DF at December 17, 2011 08:01 AM (2gMtk)

235 WEAK, even for you, Gabby.

I'm not going to repeat myself for those too lazy to look up the truth, but the only "spanking" was the facts on Bachmann when she was caught lying twice.

Posted by: Chuckit at December 17, 2011 08:01 AM (wV+Ps)

236 I separated a woman's boobs with my sword more than once, but in a good way IYKWIMAIKTYD. Posted by: CoolCzech

Don't try it dood.

Posted by: Ron Jeremy warning CoolCzech of Christina Hendricks rocking boobage at December 17, 2011 08:03 AM (nPNjl)

237 Developers Developers Developers Developers

Posted by: Ron Paul's Momentum at December 17, 2011 08:05 AM (tJa5V)

238 I'd like to see some tweaks in USA V.next to encourage a little more party turnover.  Not the big D Democracy = Parliament we encourage and saddle others with but enough to make 3 parties with one always fading the stable norm.  And enough that nobody would miss tossing asshats like RP overboard.

Or, the problem with goldbugs is they act like they're seeing bugs and won't quit bugging everyone about it.

Posted by: DaveA at December 17, 2011 08:09 AM (nPNjl)

239 Hey, maybe its time to stop bring our troops from the middle east in bodybags.

And get back to picking up citizens in pieces here at home.

Fuck you very much RPM and the little gnome you trolled in on.

Posted by: DaveA at December 17, 2011 08:18 AM (nPNjl)

240 Ron Paul is a Ahab of the GOP.

Posted by: WVU at December 17, 2011 08:25 AM (rwioF)

241 Ike was for the military industrial complex given the russian threat. he said it need to be closely managed, not that it be eliminated. He saw the disasterous results of the post WWI drawdown.

Posted by: Uncle Jed at December 17, 2011 08:40 AM (/hoYP)

242

I know people have strong feelings about this, so I'm trying to be delicate here... I think history shows the biggest difference between the western world (Christendom) and areas dominated by Islam are that western nations ceased to be dominated by their religion.

There are people on this very thread who would kill all Muslims if they had the power to do so.  The reason they don't have the power to do so is because of the fundamental changes in our culture that can be summarized as liberal (classic use of the term) democracy.  Be glad you live here.  I know I am, because if I had to live in a land where your views could be imposed on me, there would be bloodshed instead of words on a screen. 

Posted by: Burt TC at December 17, 2011 08:41 AM (TOk1P)

243 and pearl harbor...

Posted by: Uncle Jed at December 17, 2011 08:41 AM (/hoYP)

244 I have the "courage" to back neo-confederate like Ron Paul. Because shut up. I iz samrt.

Posted by: Lojack at December 17, 2011 08:41 AM (ucERL)

245 Anyone seen average joe lately?

Posted by: Uncle Jed at December 17, 2011 08:43 AM (/hoYP)

246 turd turd turd ta ta turds the word ta ta ta turd turd turd ta ta turds the turd.

Posted by: White RB at December 17, 2011 08:45 AM (LrLv1)

247 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Where the hell are the guys that are getting paid to do this?

Posted by: Doofus at December 17, 2011 08:49 AM (xKC/c)

248 so we have three lefty tards up before one o'clock on a saturday? The sound of mom vacuuming upstairs woke you?

Posted by: Uncle Jed at December 17, 2011 08:51 AM (/hoYP)

249 Lojack, just stick your head up your ass. 

It'll produce the world you're looking for.

Posted by: Joe Schmoe at December 17, 2011 08:53 AM (4NFQM)

250 So because I need to protect myself............and the world..........from my government.............it's quite possible that I'll be voting Obama in 2012.

Just who the hell do you think you are fooling?!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 17, 2011 09:04 AM (piMMO)

251 Will no one remove this stone from my shoe?

(or something. mumble. mumble)

Posted by: Trying to be civil is hard to do at December 17, 2011 09:07 AM (Onw8c)

252 Just saying.

Posted by: Trying to be civil is hard to do at December 17, 2011 09:08 AM (Onw8c)

253 OK, can we kick him out of the Republican caucus now?  Seriously, he's not a Republican and he doesn't give a rat's ass what he does to hurt the party. 

Posted by: Y-not at December 17, 2011 09:19 AM (5H6zj)

254 So what is Obama's endgame regarding the military vote?  The Dems won't be able to embargo the military absentee ballot vote so much next year, what with so many coming home by Christmas.  Does he plan to have them safely redeployed overseas again by next November?  If not, does he plan on getting their votes as gratitude for bringing them home?  Or...is he hoping to goad Ron Paul into an independent run and siphoning military votes from the GOP?  Anecdotally speaking, I know more than a few former and current soldiers who avidly support Ron Paul.  Obama's team is no doubt savvy, and maybe they've got polling data that tracks with my anecdotes.  Just a thought.

Posted by: 66chevelle at December 17, 2011 09:31 AM (QjSgY)

255 "That's easy: wild-eyed, bloodthirsty evil, white, Christian men slaughter peaceful, passive Mooslims for no reason at all other than to establish a Holy Roman Church empire and force their religious beliefs on everybody in the whole wide world." Sounds like a plan to me. I say we go for it.

Posted by: The candidate formally known as Ron Paul at December 17, 2011 09:52 AM (0K5Vv)

256 I'm an Iranian and I think Ron Paul is scum.

He is an advocate for Iran's government's BS smears and obvious lies about their weapons programs and enemies.  But every Iranian I know rejects that crap.  Iranians are actually very friendly people... so friendly they would embarrass most westerners.  They love our movies.  They love pretty girls.  They love Christmas. 

Now, there are Iranians who hate all those things and most freedoms, and they are the ones who are running Iran, and that is something we all should criticize.  But most Iranians who lacked the means to flee that country are victims of these psychos. 

I wish Obama had risen to the occasion when Iran cried out that it wanted to be free.  I think they will eventually do it on their own, but it was probably in our interest to give them a helping JDAM here and there.

Posted by: Dustin at December 17, 2011 09:54 AM (rQ/Ue)

257 Extremely well Spotted, Burt: I know people have strong feelings about this, so I'm trying to be delicate here... I think history shows the biggest difference between the western world (Christendom) and areas dominated by Islam are that western nations ceased to be dominated by their religion. There are people on this very thread who would kill all Muslims if they had the power to do so.  The reason they don't have the power to do so is because of the fundamental changes in our culture that can be summarized as liberal (classic use of the term) democracy.  Be glad you live here.  I know I am, because if I had to live in a land where your views could be imposed on me, there would be bloodshed instead of words on a screen.  Posted by: Burt TC at December 17, 2011 12:41 PM

Posted by: Random at December 17, 2011 09:55 AM (qNX0n)

258 Ron Paul hates sanity, so I guess we're all even.

Posted by: sTevo at December 17, 2011 09:56 AM (VMcEw)

259 You're an Iranian, Dustin?

Posted by: Random at December 17, 2011 09:57 AM (qNX0n)

260 Random, most of the AIs I have known have been decent and friendly, don't let the extremist actions of a radical few turn you into a hate-monster!

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of Cognitive Dissonance at December 17, 2011 10:00 AM (bxiXv)

261

As long as muslims keep killing people in the name of their religion,I'll keep hating them too.

Anyone but Obama,Romney or Paul in 2012

 

Posted by: firefirefire at December 17, 2011 10:04 AM (nAkDV)

262 But in essence, Jews and then even more Jesus valued the individual in their relationship with God over kin, and this lead to human rights, which lead to political freedom, which lead to capitalism, which lead to a much greater standard of living and more human happiness, which lead to invention and greater technology, which lead to even a higher standard of living and more human happiness, which leads to us being on the cusp of creating artificial intelligences which will obsolete us as the dominant species on this planet.

Holy crap, that's a seriously concentrated patch of weapons-grade stupid right there. It makes my brain hurt just looking at it.

Posted by: OregonMuse at December 17, 2011 10:05 AM (RsgV/)

263 So what is Obama's endgame regarding the military vote?

Misdirect overseas absentee ballots to McMurdo where they'll be hiding in a pile of snow until the "unfortunate" oversight is discovered after the election, and have continental base post offices "mistakenly" shred as undeliverable any absentee ballots cast here.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 17, 2011 10:06 AM (AUlMP)

264 "You're an Iranian, Dustin? Posted by: Random"

I prefer the term Persian, but I guess I used Iranian above.  Not being PC about it.  I was born in Texas and love America, partly because I have family in Iran and I wish they had what I was born with here.

Posted by: Dustin at December 17, 2011 10:12 AM (rQ/Ue)

265

268But in essence, Jews and then even more Jesus valued the individual in their relationship with God over kin, and this lead to human rights, which lead to political freedom, which lead to capitalism, which lead to a much greater standard of living and more human happiness, which lead to invention and greater technology, which lead to even a higher standard of living and more human happiness, which leads to us being on the cusp of creating artificial intelligences which will obsolete us as the dominant species on this planet.

Holy crap, that's a seriously concentrated patch of weapons-grade stupid right there. It makes my brain hurt just looking at it.
----

Agreed. Its almost as if someone HASN'T read the three rules of robotics.

 

A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.A robot must obey the orders given to it by human beings, except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Laws.

It's all right there, etched in silicon.

 

 

 

Posted by: Jimmah at December 17, 2011 10:18 AM (TMeYE)

266
"Bachmann is a retard as are her supporters warmongering cunt

Posted by: Ron Paul's Momentum "

 

Yes, yes, that's how Ron Paul supporters convince you to vote for their candidate, oh yeah, free pot for everyone!

Posted by: Africanus at December 17, 2011 10:19 AM (P3S/C)

267 Paul is a petty old man, convinced of the righteousness of his foolish positions.

Douche.

Posted by: MCPO Airdale at December 17, 2011 10:26 AM (tYaDf)

268 "I prefer the term Persian, but I guess I used Iranian above.  Not being PC about it.  I was born in Texas and love America, partly because I have family in Iran and I wish they had what I was born with here."

Ah, no worries. I just knew you were a Texan, so pictured majority ethnicity.

One of my favourite families is Iranian (literally -- although they're trying to emigrate to Australia: the head of the household is a specialist physician who just passed whatever test he needed to pass in Australia, and the wife is a business post-graduate). At the mom's request, I've talked to their eldest daughter online for two years. A bit odd, but also sweet. She won an award in New South Wales, when they were there, for best reader in her school or something like that, awarded by the Premier.

Very smart family -- the eldest daughter wishes to be a genetic scientist, a professor. The mother is one of the most (and few) truly decent women I know, and the father brings his daughter home REAL English biology books and texts to read -- not just the Iranian-government-approved claptrap (although, to be fair, modifications for Islam aside, they have pretty good education: Persians are a smart people).

I believe you're a Christian, Dustin, so you won't approve of this next fact. After being friends with her for a couple years, she mentioned being busy, and I asked her among other things, how much time she spends at the mosque. To my surprise, she was dismissive and said along the lines of, "We don't waste time at mosques. We're atheists."

Ha! No wonder she and I became friends, even if we didn't talk about that for a couple years.

Posted by: Random at December 17, 2011 10:36 AM (YiE0S)

269 I'm an Iranian and I think Ron Paul is scum.

There you go.  Common ground.

Back in a few.  I gotta take a Ron Paul's Momentum.  Feels like it's gonna be a wet one.

Posted by: meekrob at December 17, 2011 10:36 AM (/0HuL)

270 "There you go.  Common ground."

You are a racist/xenophobic asshole, meekrob.

Posted by: Random at December 17, 2011 10:39 AM (YiE0S)

271 "
I believe you're a Christian, Dustin, so you won't approve of this next fact. After being friends with her for a couple years, she mentioned being busy, and I asked her among other things, how much time she spends at the mosque. To my surprise, she was dismissive and said along the lines of, "We don't waste time at mosques. We're atheists.""

I am Christian, but I was raised by 1.5 atheists (one of them was agnostic).

That actually is a theme among some in Iran... particular many of those who emigrated (if you emigrate a long distance, you probably are somewhat affluent).  I know a lot of Iranians who are Muslims, but I also know a lot who really resent religion.

Frankly, if someone's main exposure to religion is the ayatollah stuff, it's pretty understandable that they would turn away from the concept.

Persia should be Israel's closest ally.  Xerxes married Esther.  Their time and city, Persepolis, was Persia's greatest time and a culture that was unfortunately wiped from the map by Alexander the Great (to be fair, the Persians had it coming for how they treated the Greeks.  I wonder what would have been in Iran today had this not happened.

But it's not like Iran was paradise before the 1979 revolution (obviously it was a hell of a lot better then).  Elitists sneered at the religious (who were poor), and so the pendulum swung the other way much harder.  Iranian culture seems to favor extremes, and I think the key to their happiness is going to be chilling out either way.

The reason the Iranian government has to crap on the Jews so much is that without such constant reminders they are enemies, they won't be.  I think someone prominent recently discussed this, which is why it's on my mind, but I've thought this for a long time.

Posted by: Dustin at December 17, 2011 10:47 AM (rQ/Ue)

272 I'm interested in Iran, Dustin, partly because a lot of those who leave it are quite intelligent, decent people. And historical reasons. And frankly their women are often beautiful.

But mostly the first reason.

The couple I mentioned above, and most of their friends judging by Facebook, were both supporters of the Green movement, of course. They have no love for the current Iranian government.

But at the end of the day, they aren't really that political. They're huge into family and making friends. People who lump all Iranians under one brush, as if every one of them was at the embassy imploring the Americans to be executed, piss me off. Some of the most decent people I've ever met were Persian.

Iran was an American ally once upon a time, and many Iranians wish it was still so.

Posted by: Random at December 17, 2011 10:52 AM (YiE0S)

273 Bachmann spanked Paul in the last debate (video over at hot air) and made him look like a babbling fool. Paul's response was to go on a national talk show and say that Bachmann hates Muslims. The immediate resorting to name-calling is basically a left-wing tactic, and another reason why Paul is an embarrassment to the GOP.

Posted by: OregonMuse at December 17, 2011 10:54 AM (RsgV/)

274 "another reason why Paul is an embarrassment to the GOP."

Yeah.

But this is probably the biggest gift he could give to Bachmann, whose supporters are the kind of rally around someone who is attacked unfairly (unless Bachmann is making the attack, I guess).

Now we've got a lot of people defending her, paying attention to her, and even considering her as a foreign policy hawk.  I wouldn't be surprised if she gains a little ground in the polls now.  Unfortunately, I think conservatives really need to rally around a more substantial politician than they are.

Posted by: Dustin at December 17, 2011 11:01 AM (rQ/Ue)

275 I agree, Dustin.

This may help her in 2 ways:  1, I'm sure she's never actually said that she hates Muslims in a public setting, so people can defend her from an unfair attack.  2, if people do hate Muslims, this draws Bachmann to their eyes in a favorable light.

But I don't think it will help her enough to matter at this point.

Posted by: Random at December 17, 2011 11:04 AM (YiE0S)

276 But I don't think it will help her enough to matter at this point.

You're probably right. Personally, I happen to think that every one of the GOP candidates blows chunks, for one reason or another, and I weep for my country that it has come to this.  But that's just me.

Posted by: OregonMuse at December 17, 2011 11:11 AM (RsgV/)

277

Instead of, "well, that's not good", it should have been, "well, that's understandable ... since they are mostly murdering, lying, cheating, goat F*ing barbarians from hell, mostly ..". High five right back at you!

Posted by: Errol at December 17, 2011 11:15 AM (vewos)

278 Can't you just see Random, lying around on his couch in his Section 8 housing apartment, smoking  a clove cigarette and writing random words on a computer as he thumbs through his well worn thesaurus, smiling at his well turned phrases and university level philosophy cliches.

Classic douche-tard never gets old.

Posted by: Joe Schmoe at December 17, 2011 11:26 AM (4NFQM)

279 "You're probably right. Personally, I happen to think that every one of the GOP candidates blows chunks, for one reason or another, and I weep for my country that it has come to this.  But that's just me.

Posted by: OregonMuse at December 17, 2011 03:11 PM (RsgV/)"


If only Perry was a skilled politician.  Something about Texas politics seems to not require their politicians to be on the slick talk express.  That is probably a fundamental cultural issue in Texas and one reason Texas is so much more successful than other states.   I mean, they have to pick their leadership somehow... I guess they just pick them based on how they perform.

But that's out of step with the coastal states, who look at Perry and notice he has taken a long time to get good at debates (and indeed, he's gotten steadily better at it, but in our society, that's just not good enough).

Hopefully the surge of new blood in 2010 will lead to a lot of better options in a decade... which is longer than I want to wait.

Posted by: Dustin at December 17, 2011 11:31 AM (rQ/Ue)

280

There are people on this very thread who would kill all Muslims if they had the power to do so.  The reason they don't have the power to do so is because of the fundamental changes in our culture that can be summarized as liberal (classic use of the term) democracy. 

Posted by: Burt TC at December 17, 2011 12:41 PM (TOk1P)

No.  Actually it's because they believe God will punish them if they do.

If you are rational, then you realize that it is irrational not to kill your enemies.  Machiavelli made this observation a long time ago.

Liberal democracy doesn't effect human behavior.  Look at the French Revolution.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 17, 2011 11:36 AM (73tyQ)

281 "I guess they just pick them based on how they perform." A radical departure from 80% of the country indeed. Michelle Bachmann's problem is most Muslims aren't brown enough or Jewish enough (for sure) for Ron Paul to hate them. If he knew how many black Muslims there are in Africa, his head might very well asplodey.

Posted by: deepelemblues at December 17, 2011 11:46 AM (Jov5i)

282 "Liberal democracy doesn't effect human behavior.  Look at the French Revolution."

I think it probably does have some effect.  We generally see people as individuals if we subscribe to classical liberalism.  That's why "all muslims" is a peculiar group to worry about.  "all terrorists" or "all islamofascists" or "everyone who wants to kill us " is more appropriate, if you want to be rational.

Even if you think all Muslims are the same as all islamofascist terrorist, you would still more rationally note the reason they are your enemy is the terrorism and facism rather than religious (as related as that is).

And while terrorists AND those who bash "all muslims" insist there is only one true Islam and it's horrible, that is factually wrong.  There simply are a lot of people who think they are practicing Islam, but aren't being psychos about it.  Since religion is a matter of opinion, their opinion and practice is valid enough for them and I have no problem with them.

Being too extreme in opposing Islam is actually what the Islamofascists want from us.  They want this conflict to be about Islam, for both sides.  They hate it when Muslims reject their evil... they hate that more than Jews eating bacon on the Fourth of July.

There would be no Islamofascist Iran had Islam been treated like no big deal by those in Iran who opposed it in the 1960s and 1970s.

I'm not saying the Quran doesn't have evil in it.  It does.  Some have decided to deal with the contradictions on these matters in a sane way.  I think this is a more realistic future than one where we somehow eliminate the religion.  I think that is classical liberalism, too.

Posted by: Dustin at December 17, 2011 11:48 AM (rQ/Ue)

283 "
If he knew how many black Muslims there are in Africa, his head might very well asplodey.

Posted by: deepelemblues at December 17, 2011 03:46 PM (Jov5i)"


LOL

Posted by: Dustin at December 17, 2011 11:48 AM (rQ/Ue)

284 Ron Paul is just oozing with leadership skills, a regular f*cking hawk, I tells ya.

Posted by: Fritz at December 17, 2011 12:03 PM (FabC8)

285 Ron Paul can talk all the smack he wants, at least Michelle Bachmann didn't install a metal plate into her head to keep the government's mind control rays out like Paulie did.

Posted by: R. Waher at December 17, 2011 12:22 PM (4FP+P)

286 Ron Paul on Bachmann: "She Hates Muslims".
Antisocialist to Ron Paul: "So?"

Posted by: antisocialist at December 17, 2011 12:59 PM (j/nZn)

287 Tehran Ron

Posted by: jp at December 17, 2011 01:06 PM (SV1nj)

288 Leno mutters "well that's not good."

thats a matter of opinion......

as for ronpaul....    ....never go full retard....

Posted by: rumcrook at December 17, 2011 03:01 PM (60WiD)

289 If that is true...Bachmann scores huge points with me. I happen to be one of the two old men in the United States who has actually read the quran. This qualifies me to state this.

If Islam, in all of its hatred, punishment, and fear mongering is the word true of God- we don't need him. Really.

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Posted by: The Great Sea ePub at December 17, 2011 05:10 PM (xWN86)

294 Every time I hear the name of Ron Paul, I can't help but think of Alex Jones' documentary masterpiece Ace was kind enough to embed on AoS, 'Endgame'. I tell you, it changed my life. Dr. Paul featured prominently, of course, but that was just the icing on the cake. The important stuff was deep inside and when The Awful Truth was revealed, my whole world was shaken to the core. Years of false consciousness embedded into my cerebral cortex by the Illuminati were stripped away, and I was whole. I'm talking about spider/goat DNA hybridization experiments, of course, mentioned specifically (if only too passingly) in Alex Jones' riveting masterpiece: conducted by diabolical scientists in the employ of the Bilderburgers, these evil henchmen in white lab coats are even now creating a super-race of spider-goats, ready to use steel-like fibers to enwrap their unsuspecting human prey in horrifying cocoons of death. But now that I know about their sinister machinations, what to do? There is only one man up to the task, and that man is Dr. Ron Paul. Now is his time, his moment. Vote for Dr. Ron Paul and eliminate once and for all the threat posed by the voracious spider-goat hordes.

Posted by: troyriser at December 17, 2011 05:25 PM (YCeSE)

295 Leno mutters "well that's not good."

The appropriate response by Leno should have been, "How do you know this?"

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at December 17, 2011 05:46 PM (KXXIv)

296 You really make it seem so uderstandable with your presentation but I find this topic before really hard to understand. It seems too complicated and very broad for me.

Posted by: The Night Before Christmas ePub at December 17, 2011 06:16 PM (dSkug)

297 It's not just Bachmann who hates Muslims. Its the entire Washington DC establishment (and most of middle American) that hates Muslims. The hatred of Muslims (and Arabs) has been indoctrinated into the minds of mainstream America, ever since the end of WWII. If there is any discomfort re. Ron Paul's accurate statement is that our ugly little secret that nobody dared to discuss is now in the open. I don't particularly like Ron Paul's platform, but he is honest and straighhforwrad, which is far more than can be said about *any* of the others, barring Gary Johnson.

Posted by: nik green at December 17, 2011 06:22 PM (zJGdQ)

298 66 "muslims: believers in a pseudo-religion" You appear to be a winner in the vaunted Double-Oxymoron contest. Religion defined: "1. The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, esp. a personal God or gods. 2. Details of belief as taught or discussed." It makes no difference whether a person is a "believer" in multiple gods - Hindus, Greeks, Romans, Nordics - or in a single God - Zoroastrian, Jewish, Christian, Islamic, Mormon, Cargo Cult; each one is taught & discussed as an intricately detailed belief system involving one or more super beings. So I have no idea what meaning you intend to convey by the term "pseudo-religion". Islam is either a religion or it's not a regilgion, & pretty clearly it's every bit as just as much a religion as any of the others listed. Your comment corrected would read: "muslims - religious types" which doesn't say anything. Clearly you were TRYING to say something that derides Muslims for their religious belief system; but, you failed. Instead, what you ended up doing is deriding some fellow human beings for having a different religion than you have. But, just as most Muslims were raised Muslim by Muslim parents, I'm guessing you were raised Christian by Christian parents - meaning the real difference between those Muslims & you comes down to accident of birth. Don't get me wrong: I'm not saying Muslims don't have a nutty, dangerous religion; I'm saying ALL religions are nutty & dangerous, & it's somewhere between extremely difficult & impossible to say any one of them is nuttier than any other.

Posted by: Rex the Wonder God at December 17, 2011 06:30 PM (vahvH)

299 So if Eisenhower warned us of the military industrial complex, and military spending is now 36% of the federal budget, does it appear we have heeded his warning?

Ridiculously late to respond but I feel compelled to point out that Defense was between 68% and 52% of the budget when Ike was president.

Posted by: toby928© at December 17, 2011 07:17 PM (GTbGH)

300 Eisenhower warned us about the science-industrial complex too, but the global warming alarmist industry has blown that away.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 17, 2011 08:01 PM (r4wIV)

301

Ron Paul on Bachmann:  She Hates Muslims.

Damn!  There goes the Muslim Republican vote if she ends up being the candidate.  All 12 of them.  Damn what a waste.

That said, I heard Bachmann is dead set against masturbation.  I guess it's easy for her to have that particular stance since she's a semi-hot chick.  On the other hand...

Posted by: Speller at December 17, 2011 09:32 PM (J74Py)

302 "That said, I heard Bachmann is dead set against masturbation"

Please tell me you're kidding. Who can not like cumming? I mean seriously. That's gotta be a pretty small constituency.

Posted by: Random at December 17, 2011 09:36 PM (YiE0S)

303 Both Paul and Bachman were talking a lot of rubbish in that debate. If only there was some middle way between Blame America First isolationism and messianiac Wilsonian global interventionism. What could we call that? Oh yeah, conservatism.

Posted by: Gabriel M at December 18, 2011 07:49 AM (kQuHP)

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