July 27, 2011

Ron Paul Tied With Obama, 50/50?
— Ace

I mentioned this poll earlier but Instapundit noted the Paul/Obama 50/50 split.

The poll analysis indicates that several Republican candidates suffer merely from a lack of name recognition. Scanning down the list, it appears that many of the names people tend to know wind up beating Obama -- Romney and Giuliani, for example, and even Ron Paul manages a tie.

People with higher name recognition (50% or higher) who don't win against Obama include, yes, Palin and Bachmann, and also Gingrich.

I'm thinking that this reinforces my belief that people do want to turn Obama out of office, and several people could win -- so long as the public is reasonably comfortable with them.

(Perry loses to Obama in this poll, but the same margins Palin and Bachmann do, but his name recognition is a mere 30%.)

Now how did Ron Paul manage a 50/50 split in this poll? Isn't he a "threatening" Republican with no executive experience?

Not really sure. Could just be that he's always running, so the public is comfortable with the idea of Ron Paul.

Posted by: Ace at 03:08 PM | Comments (56)
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1 frist!

Posted by: I'm in a New York state of mind at July 27, 2011 03:10 PM (4sQwu)

2 RON PAUL!

Posted by: RON PAUL! at July 27, 2011 03:10 PM (AZGON)

3 I'd take this poll with a haybale-sized grain of salt, Ace.  It's a web poll.

Posted by: Hadd Charper at July 27, 2011 03:10 PM (0F3ej)

4 Jesus Christ.

Posted by: Sarah Palin (TM) at July 27, 2011 03:11 PM (vU8C3)

5 Ron Paul pwns web polls

Posted by: BlackOrchid at July 27, 2011 03:11 PM (SB0V2)

6 Ron Paul would repeal ObamaCare if it reached his desk..

So he has that going for him..

Posted by: Dave C at July 27, 2011 03:11 PM (idSAM)

7 Mr. Sulu, take us away from the Neutral Zone. We will not enter the Ronulan Empire and violate the Treaty of Common Sense.

Posted by: James Tiberius Kirk at July 27, 2011 03:12 PM (AZGON)

8

Dude, e'rbody knows Palin and thinks she's stupid cause of SNL and "women be stupid, lolz" but Bachmann? Not so much. I think she hasn't broken through political junkie status.

Now, when she does break it'll probably be because she's Palinized, but still.

Posted by: William at July 27, 2011 03:12 PM (77TeU)

9 We are surely living in interesting times? Or someone please wake me the fuck up!

Posted by: nevergiveup at July 27, 2011 03:14 PM (7wmOW)

10 Roadkill Tied With Obama, 50/50!

Posted by: CoolCzech at July 27, 2011 03:14 PM (kUaEF)

11 There's a huge IKEA living room staring at me from the sidebar.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at July 27, 2011 03:15 PM (vU8C3)

12

The Ace of Spades HQ:  Where its Flame thread Wednesday!  All Flame threads all the time!

Though I really can't buy people actually being comfortable with the idea Ron Paul.  I think its because his name doesn't carry any of the negative press coverage that Palin and Bachmann get for the general public to associate with him.  The MFM knows he's a joke so they don't do anything to damage him like they do other candidates.

Posted by: buzzion at July 27, 2011 03:15 PM (oVQFe)

13 I'm still the frontrunner, fellas. Now if only I existed...

Posted by: Generic Republican at July 27, 2011 03:16 PM (AZGON)

14 Not sayin much when Ham Sammich polls 70 to O'f#ckstick 30

Posted by: sTevo at July 27, 2011 03:16 PM (vXr7p)

15 Ron Paul has that he wants to reign in the Government going for him and he wants to reduce the Government budget.  That he's nuts is becoming less and less of a liability.

Posted by: rabidfox at July 27, 2011 03:16 PM (DObxx)

16 Ham sandwich is now capturing a significant portion of the Jewish vote.
 
There be troubled times in BarackyLand.

Posted by: GnuBreed at July 27, 2011 03:17 PM (ENKCw)

17 4 Jesus Christ.

Posted by: Sarah Palin (TM) at July 27, 2011 07:11 PM (vU8C3)


Jesus Christ does beat Obama 54/46 but surprisingly you edge him out him on name recognition by 2%.

Posted by: lowandslow at July 27, 2011 03:18 PM (GZitp)

18 8

Dude, e'rbody knows Palin and thinks she's stupid cause of SNL and "women be stupid, lolz" but Bachmann? Not so much. I think she hasn't broken through political junkie status.

Now, when she does break it'll probably be because she's Palinized, but still.

Posted by: William at July 27, 2011 07:12 PM (77TeU)

Every 2012 candidate should study what happened to Palin in 2008 and be ready to counter it.  They also shouldn't repeat her mistakes, as Palin had a hand in her own "Palinization" (the Katie Couric interview has some bizarre parts). 

Also, don't have a pregnant teenage daughter when you agree to enter the race as that may prove to hurt you later on.

Posted by: robviously at July 27, 2011 03:18 PM (7UMow)

19 Ham/Rye 2012 for the Jewish win!

Posted by: George Orwell at July 27, 2011 03:19 PM (AZGON)

20

So, my choice is between an aggressively, maliciously incompetent, arrogant communist asshole and 76 year-old, tired, white guy who half the country thinks is a lunatic?

Damn, I think I'd rather have a triumvirate of Paul Krugman, Sarah Palin, and Lyndon LaRouche run the fucking country than have either Paul or Obama as president.

Posted by: Sharkman at July 27, 2011 03:20 PM (wMsKw)

21 Also, don't have a pregnant teenage daughter when you agree to enter the race as that may prove to hurt you later on.

Being smokin' hot doesn't hurt.

Posted by: pep at July 27, 2011 03:20 PM (6TB1Z)

22 Being smokin' hot doesn't hurt. Posted by: pep at July 27, 2011 07:20 PM (6TB1Z) you only hurt the ones you love

Posted by: nevergiveup at July 27, 2011 03:21 PM (7wmOW)

23 Someone who would post a poll like this must be in the market for my beachfront property in Utah.

Posted by: Molon Labe at July 27, 2011 03:23 PM (g5MrG)

24 Web poll less accurate than the Moron polls (which we haven't had in a while)

Posted by: Vic at July 27, 2011 03:25 PM (M9Ie6)

25 Subtract the 15-24% of Ds who say they'll vote R from each R candidate's vs.-Obama total. Or, buy that Palin gets 20% of Democrats' votes. Your choice.

I think any early poll that shows an R beating Obama by less than 20 signals a pretty much guaranteed electoral-vote win for the O. Your fatalism may vary.

Posted by: oblig. at July 27, 2011 03:25 PM (xvZW9)

26 They're also 50/50 on who hates the jooos more.

Any one want to chip in on some airfare???  Me an Jesse Ventura want to get out to Colorado and throw pieces of  WTC7, who George Bush personally  blew up, at Michelle Malkin.

Posted by: Alex Jones!! at July 27, 2011 03:26 PM (KROfR)

27 >>Ham sandwich is now capturing a significant portion of the Jewish vote. Can you imagine the carnage that Pastrami/Rye could do?

Posted by: sTevo at July 27, 2011 03:28 PM (RD/KP)

28 I got a pole for you all.  Just gimmie yer email addy....

Posted by: Anthony "The Ween' Weiner at July 27, 2011 03:29 PM (KROfR)

29 I think any early poll that shows an R beating Obama by less than 20 signals a pretty much guaranteed electoral-vote win for the O


say what?

Posted by: The Great Satan's Ghost at July 27, 2011 03:30 PM (UrPTC)

30 Now how did Ron Paul manage a 50/50 split in this poll? Isn't he a "threatening" Republican with no executive experience?

For the moderates he scares off he makes up for in lefty isolationist libertarians who actually don't want socialism.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at July 27, 2011 03:32 PM (0q2P7)

31 Went to make cape codders, but discovered we're out of vodka (sacrilege, I know!) so we've put some peach schnapps into cran-raspberry juice.  Pretty tasty!  We're deciding between calling it "Wednesday" and "Liquid Pez."

Posted by: Y-not at July 27, 2011 03:33 PM (5H6zj)

32 I'd tell a pollster
I'd vote for Paul, too. Why? I don't know.

Well if it came down to Paul or 4 more years of Obama.

I am so RON PAUL! it isn't funny.

Which is actually what I think most conservatives would have said. The question is why doesn't he scare the squish? Or if he does scare the squish how is he making it up. (My theory)

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at July 27, 2011 03:34 PM (0q2P7)

33 >> I got a pole for you all.  Just gimmie yer email addy.... Posted by: Anthony "The Ween' Weiner Barnstable E Frankenfurter at House of Illrepute dot gov Hit me baby!!11!

Posted by: Bwanieee at July 27, 2011 03:38 PM (q1Tbv)

34 Not that it will go anywhere but if they do pass Boenher's plan, it will put the ball in the Democrat's court too where Reid will table it..

The US is going into default anyway.  May as well make the Democrats the party of 'No'. while the chairs are being rearranged.


Posted by: Dave C at July 27, 2011 03:41 PM (idSAM)

35 Yes to slowing the rate of increase, but no to cutting spending from last years baseline number.

Second derivatives are your friend.. 

Posted by: pep at July 27, 2011 03:43 PM (6TB1Z)

36 The only earthly purpose of this poll is to spit-scream at your face "POLLS ARE FUCKING MEANINGLESS". But I guess some people just never get the message.

Posted by: nati at July 27, 2011 03:45 PM (SsKEr)

37 Hell, if Ron can get 50%, I wonder how well Rand would do.

Posted by: Clueless at July 27, 2011 03:48 PM (piMMO)

38 How is Paul "always running" in any sense that doesn't apply to Romney or Palin in '12, or McCain in '08, or at least one person in pretty much every other Republican primary? Hell, the GOP usually ends up giving it to the guy whose "turn" it is (the guy who lost the last primary). Nobody remembers his '88 run. People who are comfortable with him today are comfortable with him b/c of his positions, not because he's a fixture.

Posted by: DMXRoid at July 27, 2011 03:49 PM (tjc9E)

39 I'll take a Republican House, Republican Senate...and Obama as their personal meat sleeve.

Posted by: Free2Smooze at July 27, 2011 03:59 PM (2cI+I)

40 Barnstable E Frankenfurter at House of Illrepute dot gov

Hit me baby!!11!

Too Old!!!!  Not to mention, yer a dude.  
Wait...yer still in congress right???  I could be like a staffer right??? 

Well, I hope your Johnson is smaller than my wife's fist or she's gonna be pissed.

Posted by: Anthony 'The Ween' Weiner at July 27, 2011 04:01 PM (KROfR)

41 The Legal Insurection blog has interestig theories on the debt debate.  As for Ron Paul,  when he looks sane compared to Obama and Reid, and more reliable than Boehner, well,  "the times they are a'changing".  I guess I am not the only person who feels like everybody now in control should not be.

Posted by: at July 27, 2011 04:04 PM (6IV8T)

42 DMXhemmoroid has spoken. I will ignore.

Posted by: Ronster at July 27, 2011 04:04 PM (9h8nr)

43 I would vote for Ron Paul in a heartbeat v. Obama Romney or Boehner.

Posted by: Chi-Town Barry at July 27, 2011 04:38 PM (+kznc)

44 That sounds about right in the twilight zone in which we are apparently living.

Posted by: Dianne at July 27, 2011 04:48 PM (+tzv7)

45 He's a debt hawk who doesn't have the baggage of defending numerous unpopular wars. He also hasn't received much negative press coverage, because he isn't perceived to be a threat. It isn't that surprising.

Posted by: MlR at July 27, 2011 04:53 PM (Qsfvj)

46 And while conservatives shit all over Romney - he may be our only chance at beating king Obozo.

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at July 27, 2011 05:13 PM (0fzsA)

47 The thing about Ron Paul is that (unlike most of the GOP) people believe that he really wants to cut spending and if given the chance would actually do it. Who else can you truthfully say that about?

Posted by: GhostShip at July 27, 2011 05:17 PM (sbaXF)

48 Ron Paul's in the right place at the right time with the right reputation on fiscal issues, limited government and some specific things like auditing the Fed.  But he's oddly in the same position as a centrist like McCain or Huntsman is in the Republican primary, in that the media won't turn on him until and unless he actually wins that and enters the general.

I've said before, I like having him in the running and in the debates.  Regardless of whether you want Paul specifically as president, it shifts the terms of acceptable debate in the direction we want to go.  And really, anyone on our side who does get beaten out by Paul is probably enough of a Rino they deserve to lose.

Posted by: Dave R. at July 27, 2011 05:18 PM (Ks0r0)

49

Ron Paul may be a bit crazy on foreign policy issues, but he is completely sane when it comes to fiscal policy. 

 

 

Posted by: stickety at July 27, 2011 05:34 PM (FUDwf)

50 15Ron Paul has that he wants to reign in the Government going for him and he wants to reduce the Government budget. That he's nuts is becoming less and less of a liability.

Posted by: rabidfox at July 27, 2011 07:16 PM (DObxx)

I'm not a Paulbot, but all these other fuckers in Washington must be crazy to think that spending more money means that we will become more solvent. At least Ron Paul isn't nuts when it comes to the existential problem that is our runaway government. 

Posted by: Minuteman at July 27, 2011 06:17 PM (hbAPu)

51

Could it be that the Obamunist is SUCH a domestic disaster that Ron Paul looks awesome? (And frankly, on domestic policy alone, Ron Paul IS awesome)

Could it be that the Obamunist is SUCH a foreign policy disaster that even a naive isolationist fool like Ron Paul looks awesome in comparison?

Could John Boehner, Mitch McConnell and the other Republipussies might learn something from this poll and go back to the original House Cut Cap and Balance plan?

Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 27, 2011 06:57 PM (w7K7d)

52 Damn single word links in red make it difficult for us red-weak color blind folk to find the friggin' link in your post.

Posted by: gm at July 27, 2011 07:35 PM (K0tm3)

53 If it is even in red ... is it? I can't tell.

Posted by: gm at July 27, 2011 07:36 PM (K0tm3)

54 Speaking of things that are lipstick red..

Posted by: The Snowman Audio Book at July 28, 2011 05:38 AM (NLVZi)

55 If by always running you mean he ran in the same number of republican presidential primary elections as Romney then yes. Actually I think its that his word is actually credible unlike most candidates. The anti-war lefties like his anti-war stance, and the libertarian right like his free market stance. This makes him a pretty good candidate in the general but a terrible candidate in the primary.

Posted by: Texan Economist at July 28, 2011 06:23 PM (TC/9F)

56

If you believe Ron Paul can make it to 50/50 against Barack Obama, or at least close enough to make it a race, and Sarah Palin (just to cite one example) somehow can't...um, wow.

Posted by: Rich Fader at July 29, 2011 09:01 AM (SF/wy)

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