1 Palin flame war 5..4..3..2..1

2 What double standard?

3
O/T

Rush called out Romney about his agreement with Global Baloney with the following:  "Bye-bye nomination."

4 Technically, Revere did warn the British.  When he was captured, they learned that Brit's secret maneuver to capture the minutemen's supplies was blown.

5 Has anyone seen EoJ. I got a hankerin for somma his hot man root.

6 Thank you Ace, this has been driving me nuts also...

7 And...and...IF PALIN CAN RIDE AROUND IN A BUS, WEINER CAN STAY IN CONGRESS!!!1!1!!

8 But seriously, when I first saw the infamous Palin "interview" by that Boston station the first thing I thought of was "why did it start in the middle"?  Also, what was the original question?

I only noted one error, the bell ringing thing. Since then some of the Morons have pointed out that bells were rung that night.

But you expect this kind of shit from the MFM.

9 Remember when exit polling found out that not only did your average Obama voter think that Palin had said all the stupid things Obama and Biden said, but that in fact the average Obama voter thought there was a Republican congress from 200-68 when they went to throw the bums out? Remember that?

Mission Accomplished.

10 What are you talking about? She was right. Paul Revere warned the British Redcoats about the armed militia waiting for them if they attacked, while he was in custody, with a gun to his head. You need to catch up.

11 Yeah, what post 6 said.

12 The MBM is just pathetic.

13 Technically, Revere did warn the British.  When he was captured, they learned that Brit's secret maneuver to capture the minutemen's supplies was blown.

Posted by: Mark E at June 07, 2011 12:46 PM (w5RwR)

Stop confusing us with the facts!

14 Look I doubt Sarah is gonna run. She just raising her visibility in order to raise money so she can be a power Broker and support HER candidates. Which seems to me to be anybody but Romney? This could get bloody

15

So he thinks the country has 59 states? Or 58, including the apparent "Double State" of Alaskawaii?

 

"I wanna go back

to my frozen grass shack,

back in wala-ka-laskawaii!

Where the blue-wa-hula girls go dancin' byyyyy!

16 I get the 57 states thing, but thinking Austrian is a language? That's more iffy. I also let the corpseman slide. Here's my joke: When President Obama was asked if he thought Austrian economics might be able to tell us something about the current economic situation, the president said "Well, I don't speak Austrian."

17 10 Yeah,but it was probably a slip up,even though it was technically right.

18 #4 Technically, at that point the colonists were still British.

19

No Salmon in Hawaii.

...they both have Coastlines.  But not Salmon.

20 They had to talk about Sarah Palin to avoid mention of the HUGE DICK in the middle of the room.

21 Alaskawaii...I actually like it. The state that runs hot and cold.

22 Please,let's not start the war of the opposing Palin camps.

23 Are you from Upper Alaskawaii or Lower Alaskawaii?

24 Whew, it's been a busy couple of weeks. Has Ace been on Weinergate at all?

25

What are you talking about? She was right. Paul Revere warned the British Redcoats about the armed militia waiting for them if they attacked, while he was in custody, with a gun to his head. You need to catch up.

Ditto.....

I dunno.. you're claiming it was a flub of speech. But everything else I've read seems to suggest it was not at all - and she was also correct. That she did in fact mean Paul Revere warned the British, not of the British.

The quote I saw of the full comment I think makes this even clearer, and she got other details right as well, so it seems pretty goofy to claim she got 'lucky'. She seems to know her shit on this.

26 Technically right is right. Are you claiming you can divine her intentions?

27 Alaskawaii 49.5 - the hottest new police drama.

28

Meanwhile banks forced to buy US debt while China divests.  Where is Paul Revere when you really need him?

The banks aren't loaning to business because they are loaning all their money to the government. 

Our Bonedness of DOOM! is really scary. 

29

But what does it say about policy?

-Palin-...May at some point in her Presidency end up giving a warning to the British

-Obama-...Spends money as if there are 59 States

30 I heard Breitbart the Great really eight Matt Flauer's lunch on the Today show. Anybody got a linky to tape?

31

"He was captured by the British and never made it to Concord," Giblin said. "While he was a prisoner of the British, he warned them they might meet a strong force of Americans. He was sort of boastful, telling them, 'You don't know what kind of force you're going to encounter at Concord.' He was propagandizing for the rebels."

Sometimes, what a First Grader knows, is not the WHOLE truth...

32

Chuckles Johnson defends Wiki from Palin Paul Revere #hackers!  So sayeth the Atlantic.

Oh brother.

33 If the media held the same standard RE remarks for Dems as they do for Rs, then Joe Biden would never have been Vice President. But they don't, so Rs have to be more careful in what they say.

34 Waitaminute - Ace is actually defending Palin. And there is no Weiner. It's like some kind of Bizzaro Ace Of Spades where Ace doesn't have a goatee. Or something.

35 26 No,but either way it is not a big deal.It wouldn't be a big deal except the MFM makes everything about her a BFD.

36 And there is no Weiner.

It's like some kind of Bizzaro Ace Of Spades where Ace doesn't have a goatee.

Or something.

Posted by: blaster

 

You're having weiner DTs. Admit it.

37 What is so weird is that whatever you think of Palin, she has no power whatsoever over government coercion into anyone's life. Yet, Earflaps McBaritone, the most powerful government executive in the world, can stumble-bum his maladroit lips all over a speech AND issue an executive order to shut down your business, or lawsuit, or prosecution, or state's prerogatives. Yet, no one in the MBM gets so much as a crease in their briefs over Barry's gaffes.

38

She should have just admitted it as a flub, but no, instead she tried to double down and explain why she was right.  I don't like her or hate her, but it is very obvious that she cannot think on her feet.  She needs time to plan out a response to a question, and when she doesn't have that time she sounds like a moron.

39 The Narrative hears your concerns. The Narrative is concerned that you don't believe The Narrative. The Narrative is concerned. ...for you.

40 Alaskawaii - the cutest state in the Union. (may need to know some Japanese for that joke.)

41 You pay us for the one standard we throw the second one in for free.

42 I'd be all for giving Palin a break that anyone else would get but you know why I don't...neither she nor her fanatic supporters can ever admit she makes a mistake.

See, not only is Palin perfect, she smarter than everyone else.

I get part of that is defensive based on how crappy she's been treated in the past but I'm fucking sick of it.

She's human, she fucked up. Just laugh it off and move on. But no she and her Amen Choir have to double down.

43 And if you are one of Chuck E. Cheesedoodle's crew you invoke the "Magical Balance Fairy" when the 57 states gaffe is mentioned.  Waives away any common sense like a talisman.  Poof!

44

Palin committed a minor gaffe, no more than a slip of the tongue.  Happens to everybody.

What's lame is the spin by herself and her supporters to argue that she really did mean to say what she said and that it was accurate.  She does too often in response to criticism over a minor gaffe instead of simply issuing a clarification, and comes off as thin-skinned and petty in the process.

45

She should have just admitted it as a flub, but no, instead she tried to double down and explain why she was right. I don't like her or hate her, but it is very obvious that she cannot think on her feet. She needs time to plan out a response to a question, and when she doesn't have that time she sounds like a moron.

Posted by: lightenupfrancis at June 07, 2011 12:54 PM (N4deu)

Yeah... becuase saying somthing correct... being told you are wrong by those who know squat and hate you... and then caving to their view even when you are correct, is soooo Presidential...

46

This IS fucking annoying as shit, really. Nothing worse than smug ignorance that is coming from a lot of people. Ah well... anyway....

"He who warned, uh, the British that they werenÂ’t going to be taking away our arms uh by ringing those bells "

So no, I don't think she meant 'the colonists', and she herself has certainly stood by her statement, saying she meant the British.

As far as 'happens to be right' or 'got lucky', give me an f'n break - ringing those bells and firing guns? She's got the details right too - that's not blind luck she knows the story.

47 OT Caught some of O'Reilly last night while he was chatting up Juan and a really cute girl blogger whose name I can't remember. Bill scolded her for smiling while he and Juan were chatting and she said something to the effect of "I get nervous talking about Weiner and I smile when I'm nervous." Bill then instantly says (paraphrase) "Weiner stood up and took a beating today." You should have seen the look on that girl's face.

48 >>>10 What are you talking about? She was right. Paul Revere warned the British Redcoats about the armed militia waiting for them if they attacked, while he was in custody, with a gun to his head. You need to catch up. Please, don't get me started. I had a whole 2nd half of the post about Saint Sarah the Infallible but I decided to skip it. But if you want to do the opposite of what the media does -- just as dumb, just the opposite -- and claim that a simple slip of the tongue was actually a strangely-unsignaled attempt to convey a bit of history not widely known, Because Sarah Palin Does Not Make Mistakes As Mortal Man Is Prone To (TM), be my guest.

49 @17
When I saw the clip yesterday, I cringed, mostly in sympathy with her.  She sounded like she lost her train of thought and the result was pretty garbled.  This is the National Journal's transcript.  It's in agreement with what I remember from yesterday.

"He who warned, uh, the British that they werenÂ’t going to be taking away our arms uh by ringing those bells and making sure as heÂ’s riding his horse through town to send those warning shots and bells that we were going to be secure and we were going to be free and we were going to be armed."

Not her most eloquent moment. 

We've all been there.  It's not big news.  I do not think she said what she had intended to say.  There's really no need to try to justify it as some sort of nuanced understanding of Paul Revere's ride (which some seem to be doing, imho), nor does it, in and of itself, disqualify her for consideration. 

50 Here we go.

51 You put up a post every 30-60 minutes?

52 Apparently it's just me, because nobody else is saying this, but when I see "warned the British that they were not going to [keep us under their boot heel, basically]," I don't think of "he ran out and told the nearest Brit officer something." I thought, when I read what she said, that she meant by raising the Americans in the countryside to fight the redcoats, Revere put the Brits on notice--notice gained because they could see the Americans were in wait for them and that they did in fact fight--that the Americans were not just going to lie back and think of England. That's all. And people have taken it hyper-literally--that he warned the British rather than the colonists--and then it turns out the hyper-literal version is actually true, that he also told the Brits that the Americans were waiting for them in addition to the Americans that the Brits were coming for them.

Tempest in a Tea Party pot.

53 "Catch up." I love the condescending tone of that from the *OTHER* Reality-Based Community. The OTHER Reality-Based Community has decided upon its own fictions and myths among themselves, and tends to get very snotty when people outside this Other Reality-Based Community don't buy into their various Legends of Sarah.

54

 Yet, no one in the MBM gets so much as a crease in their briefs over Barry's gaffes.

 

I'm beginning to think that the illusion of the 'Race Card' being the wildcard is all that Barry has going for him.

The Media / Left put more stock in this notion...which is why they champion the inequity of Race Politik.

55 >>>You put up a post every 30-60 minutes? When I'm not hunting for porn, yes, that's what we try for, basically.

56

And if you are one of Chuck E. Cheesedoodle's crew you invoke the "Magical Balance Fairy" when the 57 states gaffe is mentioned. Waives away any common sense like a talisman. Poof!

It was obviously a gaffe- we joke about it, but does anyone really think that Obama didn't know how many states there are?

What would've been far more damaging is if he or his supporters offered a tortured defense of how there really are 57 states.

57 49 Okay,so 1 or 2 posts claim she wasn't wrong and how many jump in to pummel them?This is my problem.Causes animosity.

58

http://tinyurl.com/3un54jq

What I mean by smug ignorance. Everyone over there, commentors included, deserves twice the public humiliation they're sticking to her, on account of them all being idiots.

59 Here we go.

Posted by: steevy

 

Yeah, I'm bailing out of this thread. Too much venom, and that includes both Drew and Ace.

60 54 Yeah,that was dickish,but it was one guy.Not all SP supporters,one guy.Don't paint with a broad brush.

61 Drew,

We would let her make a mistake if you would let her have a calculated, well thought out, media ass whuppin'

But she is always a dirty, stupid iceneck....

62 48 -- I am actually looking for a clip of that girl -- Mary Katharine Ham -- rolling her eyes incredulously as BOR and JW both insisted that Weiner was a stand-up guy at the press conference. It was funny. I'm going to make a gif of that eyeroll.

63 Hadn't Palin just done some sort of guided Revere-related tour? If so, she may well have just learned the little-known detail of Revere having warned the British during his ride.

I mean, she was right after all. He later wrote that he did warn the British during his ride.

Why would one assume that she misspoke rather than assume that she knows more than one's self? I do not understand.

64

What would've been far more damaging is if he or his supporters offered a tortured defense of how there really are 57 states.

And stranger than fiction, and also more depressing, that tortured and more damaging defense would be more realistic if there actually were 57 states.

That's fucked up.

65 And besides, it's not like he actually does anything.  That's what the Committee for Public Policy czars are for.  He's just a figurehead, don'cha know...

^{I mean, seriously folks, it's right in front of us...}

66 Spooky Coincidence? The Organization of Islamic Conference has 57 member states ..... oooooooo!

67 I've been in two flame wars on Facebook because of this... and I've come to realize before this post that it is fruitless...

Though I used the 57 states line and that shut them up quick.

68

When I'm not hunting for porn, yes, that's what we try for, basically.

 

Relax.  That's a lot of material for us to ignore.

69 "don't buy into their various Legends of Sarah"

See, now you're talkin'- let's combine Mitt and Sarah, and get a summer blockbuster called:

"Mittens Cornbrero and the Legend of Sarah".

That there's an adventure movie I'd pay to see.

70 You put up a post every 30-60 minutes?

When I'm not hunting for porn, yes, that's what we try for, basically. Posted by: ace


Yuck, that is too much like work.

71 The OTHER Reality-Based Community has decided upon its own fictions and myths among themselves, and tends to get very snotty when people outside this Other Reality-Based Community don't buy into their various Legends of Sarah.

Posted by: ace at June 07, 2011 12:58 PM (nj1bB)

Yeah... and there is no consescending tone in this post... nope... none at all...

 

72 67 Who is number 1? I always forget to ask.

73 I always thought the 57 state comment was some sort of subtle warning to Canada, to get their shit in a pile and stop sending us so many bad actors.

74

Piper Palin says.....

When I find that mouthy little Ewok, he's gonna wish he never trashed my mommie.

75 Page 4 has the money shot

76

Sarah Palin is back in :

'Nailin Palin 2 : The British are Cumming!'

 

77

And crucially, does anyone in the media believe, or postulate, that this is evidence that Obama is not just not terribly intelligent, but actually, in fact, profoundly mentally challenged with an effective knowledge base beneath that of a first grader?

Public-schooled or home-schooled?

78 If I were Palin, I wouldn't even talk to any of the fucking MBM.  I would talk to Ace all day long, though.

79 Ace,Drew,Hollowpoint,we get it,you don't like her,her supporters annoy you.I like you guys,just dial it down,not every little comment needs to be refuted with an artillery barrage.

80
...a really cute girl blogger whose name I can't remember.

Posted by: Andrew Breitbart at June 07, 2011 12:56 PM (Xm1aB)

Hi Andy!  I'm surprised you didn't recognize me. You must pay closer attention to detail.
EDITED BY ACE. Mary Katharine Ham is something of an occasional friend. Please don't be nasty.

81 I guess what it boils down to is that there's some of us that sit and wait patiently for someone (anyone!) appealing to come our way.

On the flip end, you have fanbois taking to Wikipedia to clarify their gal's comments.

I cannot imagine doing this for any politician. Ever. They're just people. They will fuck up. They will disappoint. It's probably best to not take it so personally.

82 "Just as a note, I do this all the time myself. If I attempt to write "That ABCNews reporter really ate Weiner's lunch in play-acting a shy, withdrawing manner, encouraging Weiner's bully instincts to kick in, and making Weiner demolish himself," how that often comes out is as... That ABCNews reporter really eight Weiner's lunch..." Stoner!!

87 Why would one assume that she misspoke rather than assume that she knows more than one's self? I do not understand.

In my case it was the delivery, some of which you can glean from the quote, but some of which you can only see when you watch the video.  There are pauses and a couple of um's that suggest she's lost her train of thought.  (Normally, she is a good speaker, imho.)  It's also been my experience (from years of evaluating students) that when someone is unsure of what point they're trying to make, they drift into run-on sentences. 

I don't think it's any big slam of Palin to say that her comment was muddled. 

88

Please, don't get me started. I had a whole 2nd half of the post about Saint Sarah the Infallible but I decided to skip it.

Dude, WTF?

This isn't about St. Sarah it's about recorded fucking history.

You know how to look it up, right?

Look, if anyone has a well-informed quibble, then quibble... But you know your shit, here, right?

You're not just rolling your eyes because it doesn't fit what you kinda remember from grade school, are you???

89 Well, I guess I gave myself away... Great bit of writing Ace. I hope you're efforts are rewarded on many levels. You've earned it.

90 "He asked me if
I was an express? I answered in the afirmative. He
demanded what time I left Boston? I told him; and
aded, that their troops had catched aground in passing the River,
and that There would be five hundred Americans there
in a short time, for I had alarmed the Country all the way up."

91 "Can they answer me why this moment should be telling, and Obama's 57 states (or his various other gaffes, flubs, and stupid utterances) should not be?"

The answer to that is simple in the circular reasoning world inhabited by the MFM:  "because  Obama is smart and Palin is stupid".

It's "turtles all the way down" with these people...

92 I hear that Paul Revere was really flashing people that night. Ya know like the old fashion weiner flash!

93 It's "turtles all the way down" with these people... Hah. I suppose you think it's tortoises.

94 I don't think she meant to say it,but the fact that it is true gave her a plausible out.She took it,so what?If she admits a gaffe they will make a federal case out of it because they hammer her with the "stupid" meme.

95 So,she has annoying supporters to whom she can do no wrong.She also has annoying detractors to whom she can do no right.Those of us in the middle are annoyed by both sides.

96 >>>In my case it was the delivery, some of which you can glean from the quote, but some of which you can only see when you watch the video. There are pauses and a couple of um's that suggest she's lost her train of thought. It's also the case that people "mark" stuff like this, like, "Everyone knows he warned the colonists -- but he also warned the British, too." To me, the fact that she was in automatic-mode, barley thinking (she was doing other stuff), combined with the lack of any marker to this effect, suggests she was just conveying the usual, widely-known stuff about Paul Revere, and had a tongue malfunction.

97 Fucking Palinistas on NPR: BLOCK: And let's review Paul Revere's midnight ride, April 18, 1775. He's going to Lexington, Massachusetts. And according to Sarah Palin, he's riding his horse through town sending warning shots and ringing those bells. True? Prof. ALLISON: Well, he's not firing warning shots. He is telling people so that they can ring bells to alert others. What he's doing is going from house to house, knocking on doors of members of the Committees of Safety saying the regulars are out. That is, he knew that General Gage was sending troops out to Lexington and Concord, really Concord, to seize the weapons being stockpiled there, but also perhaps to arrest John Hancock and Samuel Adams, leaders of the Continental Congress, who were staying in the town of Lexington. Remember, Gage was planning - this is a secret operation, that's why he's moving at night. He gets over to Cambridge, the troops start marching from Cambridge, and church bells are ringing throughout the countryside. BLOCK: So Paul Revere was ringing those bells? He was a silversmith, right? Prof. ALLISON: Well, he was - he also was a bell ringer. That is, he rang the bells at Old North Church as a boy. But he personally is not getting off his horse and going to ring bells. He's telling other people - and this is their system before Facebook, before Twitter, before NPR, this was the way you get a message out is by having people ring church bells and everyone knows there is an emergency. And by this time, of course, the various town Committees of Safety, militia knew what the signals were, so they knew something was afoot. So this is no longer a secret operation for the British. Revere isn't trying to alert the British, but he is trying to warn them. And in April of 1775, no one was talking about independence. We're still part of the British Empire. We're trying to save it. So this is a warning to the British Empire what will happen if you provoke Americans. BLOCK: And Sarah Palin also was saying there that Paul Revere's message to the British in his warning was: you're not going to take American arms. You know, basically a Second Amendment argument, even though the Second Amendment didn't exist then. Prof. ALLISON: Yeah. She was making a Second Amendment case. But, in fact, the British were going out to Concord to seize colonists' arms, the weapons that the Massachusetts Provincial Congress was stockpiling there. So, yeah, she is right in that. I mean, and she may be pushing it too far to say this is a Second Amendment case. Of course, neither the Second Amendment nor the Constitution was in anyone's mind at the time. But the British objective was to get the arms that were stockpiled in Concord. BLOCK: So you think basically, on the whole, Sarah Palin got her history right. Prof. ALLISON: Well, yeah, she did. And remember, she is a politician. She's not an historian. And God help us when historians start acting like politicians, and I suppose when politicians start writing history.

98 She was technically correct. So STFU

99 barley thinking Great. Now you have me thinking of whiskey.

100 .Those of us in the middle are annoyed by both sides. Posted by: steevy at June 07, 2011 01:10 PM (r1/m6) Those of us in the middle always get caught in a shit sandwich. Such is life

101 101 I agree but can't you see that in her case(because of her history),that grasping to the fact she was factually accurate is better than admitting a mistake?

102 OT sorta: The Daily Show covered the Palin bus tour last night (see Sarah Palin's Bus Tour)

1:00 mark "you'd like to get inside her" and more jokes like that

I was truly disgusted.

103 obama's 57 states obama's europe is a country obama's his father fought in the ww2 when he was ten obama's US constitution is 2000 years old!!! obama's Afghanistan speak Arabic obama's can see dead people at a memorial in the audience he is speaking to

104 BTW, not to spam the thread, but here's a subtle difference unmentioned in this post (and I did read that entire wall of text):

There are not actually 57 states in the USA, but Paul Revere did warn the British during his midnight ride.

Funny how that factoid slipped through the bloggy cracks.

105 98 I don't think she meant to say it,but the fact that it is true gave her a plausible out.She took it,so what?

Well, since you ask.  If it had been me, I would have said I had a brain cramp. 

106 I watched Palin's original statement and her explanation of her garbling her words, but maintaining her accuracy.  She was right.
Meanwhile....
dOpe is "not concerned with double-dip recession...."  but he does want the WORLD economy to stabilize.  Screw Us.
Nah, let's not worry about that...
Let's talk about Palin's syntax...

107 101 She's going to get shit from the MFM no matter what,we on the right can at least give her a pass.She's not the enemy.

108

I don't think it's any big slam of Palin to say that her comment was muddled.

It's not.

But don't let that stop anyone. 

Look, she sometimes says things using syntax that the rest of us find a little "off."  It's not a knock on her, it's just the way it is. 

If I said to you "Throw me downstairs the hat" you'd say, "WTF?"

If I said "Throw the hat downstairs to me" you would "get it."

That's what we're saying.  It doesn't matter that Palin was right on the details.  She was.  It was that the rest of the country doesn't understan the story that way - and she should know that.  It could have been a moment where she demonstrated exactly how smart she is.  Instead, it was yet another foot shot. 

Being correct is only worth something if everyone knows you're correct.

109

don't think she meant to say it,but the fact that it is true gave her a plausible out.She took it,so what?If she admits a gaffe they will make a federal case out of it because they hammer her with the "stupid" meme.

 

ALL Sins of the Sarah are absolved by the tears of her disciples - AHOY!

110 Just skimmed this post (on the run today) and saw this Sara Palin jazz over at Big Journalism - a post about how Wonkette is wrong again about her. Got a short history lesson as well - when the British nabbed him during his famous run, apparently Mr. Revere did warn them that he'd told all the colonists during his ride about their impending mischief. Gotta love someone who says that with a gun at his head. Dude totally ruled. ^_^ I apologize if someone's already pointed this out. Gotta dash! mac :]

111 Look she had a direct hit. Her stated goal for the bus tour was to get people to learn about history and the founding of our country. BOOM.

112 This is why I like to point out that Barack Obama majored in political science, went to law school and won't release his transcripts.  Now to this ol' mathematician, I call such a person a "drooling imbecile".

No mathematics.  Seriously, how many of you went to college and said, "Gosh, I don't want to take that political science class or else my GPA will go down!"?

No dissertation.  Not only did Obama never do any original thinking (which is the minimum requirement for a dissertation) I see no evidence he ever wrote anything as comprehensive as a term paper.  He famously had trouble writing his book, which is an indication of someone who has never had to write anything of complexity and length.

No competition from internationally-educated students. In law school and even the social sciences, being a native English speaker and taking our liberal arts-oriented curricula is an advantage, as opposed to the sciences in which the international competition doesn't waste time with such things after high school.

No competition from bright American students. Let's face it, the electrical engineers, mathematicians and nuclear physicists are out of the pool that applies to law school.

Nobody flunks out of law school. Unlike mathematics or science or engineering, there's very little that a law school student can do to wash out of the program if he still pays tuition. Once you get accepted, they print your diploma.

I went to high school with somebody who went to Harvard Law.  She was smart and very nice, but at least three of us were demonstrably smarter and this was a featureless suburban high school in Lancaster County.

I see zero evidence of strategic thinking on his part, unlike Palin. Obama rides in the sedan chair.  Someone holds him up, someone else directs the parade.  He rides along. Palin, however, has that intellect.

What she doesn't have is bien pensants.

What she is, is a working-class Wal-Mart woman who doesn't know her place.

113 Posted by: steevy at June 07, 2011 01:04 PM (r1/m6)

I'm happy to admit that this shit gets me going but let's not pretend Palin and her supporters are above throwing the more than occasional elbow too.

114 >>>Yeah... and there is no consescending tone in this post... nope... none at all... In my main post or the comment? In the comment, you betcha. I just got told "catch up" by someone, because apparently I'm not Johnny On the Spot in memorizing the spin I'm supposed to. And yes, I heard all this stuff. It was in the sidebar of the site. I think this is almost as dumb. Sarah Palin doesn't say this is what she meant. She notes this, yes, but she does NOT claim she meant to say this. This is all the Palinistas' invention. They are, as usual, claiming a more zealous (and untenable) spin for Palin than she does herself. I read her statement. I see no claim "This is what I meant to say."

115 65 Hadn't Palin just done some sort of guided Revere-related tour? If so, she may well have just learned the little-known detail of Revere having warned the British during his ride.

I mean, she was right after all. He later wrote that he did warn the British during his ride.

Why would one assume that she misspoke rather than assume that she knows more than one's self? I do not understand.

Posted by: Ken at June 07, 2011 01:00 PM (3ar4L)

Have you read the transcript or listened to her answer? It's kinda incoherent and sounds like someone speaking off the cuff and making a flub. Which is probably what happened and not a big deal since anyone who regularly speaks in the public will flub on occasion.

And if you're going to drop some knowledge that flies in the face of common understanding, you generally note this by way of your intonation and phrasing. I don't hear that in Palin's statement.

So I think she goofed - which is not a big deal.

116 106 101 I agree but can't you see that in her case(because of her history),that grasping to the fact she was factually accurate is better than admitting a mistake?

That doesn't bode well for a Palin presidency. 

117 110 Yeah but she gets pounded for being "teh stupid".

118 Most of the general public know very little about Paul Revere. Back when he was mentioned in grade school the standard was to memorize Longfellow's poem which was absolute BS. (and that was a long time ago)

Now I doubt if they teach anything about him at all. Palin was wrong on one thing, right on the other and had some muddled speaking.

The MFM was wrong on just about all of their descriptions and we still haven't seen the entire video with the original question.

119

The National Journal guy transcribed Palin thusly:

He who warned, uh, the British that they werenÂ’t going to be taking away our arms uh by ringing those bells and making sure as heÂ’s riding his horse through town to send those warning shots and bells that we were going to be secure and we were going to be free and we were going to be armed.

So, journalists are NOW including the "uhs" in politician quotes?

That would send a shudder down the spines of Obama's PR mavens.

120 113. Wait, Sean, are you saying that Sarah is AMISH?!?! or . . from Dagobah?

121 I find it humorous that this is not the first time the media has jumped on a statement Palin has said to "prove" how stupid she is only to find out she was right. Anyone remember "Party like its 1773"? referring to the original Tea Party.

If this was not a slip of the tongue, it might very well be a calculated move to have the media make fools of themselves.

Im rather enjoying the show with her leading the media around by the nose. If she does nothing else, she is putting cracks in the media's stranglehold on political discourse, especially presidential elections. Doesnt matter whether she ultimately runs or not...

122 I put it this way.. Sarah Palin may be smart, she may be dumb, she may have a communication problem when put on the spot... but one thing is for sure.. at least she friggan knows how to use twitter.

123 neither she nor her fanatic supporters can ever admit she makes a mistake.

See, not only is Palin perfect, she smarter than everyone else.

I get it Drew, you troll your own (co)blog.  Is that like self-mutilation or something?

124 Oh sweet Jeebus. Listening to Barry drool on today's presser. He blames Booosh again. One trick pony.

125

I don't believe for a moment Palin is stupid. Liberals always say that about conservatives.

President Obama on the other hand. Aside from the fact that academically, I believe he heavily benefited from Affirmatie Action, anyone who believes in socialist policies can't be the brightest bulb in the drawer. Or they just choose to be evil.

126

Ace,

I love the Arrested Development reference.

Congrats

127 121 I don't think she'll ever be president.

128

How is this history not widely known?

Oh, public schools. I keep forgetting.

I'm sure the "widely known" facts have even been replaced by LGTQxyZ sensitivity training by now.

129 >>>Nobody flunks out of law school Just FYI -- not true. Law school's first year has a lot of drop-outs and flunk-outs. Or, let's say, it's a self-selecting flunk-out cohort. Most of the people who shouldn't be in law school get that in the first year and drop out before being officially flunked. And people can even get through all three years without actually being able to collect a degree, due to having too many poor grades. Guy I know had that happen to him. I don't know what the resolution was; maybe he did some kind of bonus coursework to collect his degree. But he got through year three with enough F's or whatnot that he couldn't graduate.

130 99...ok....how about this.....even when she's wrong....she's right!

Posted by: ✡phoenixgirl✡I STAND WITH ISRAEL at June 07, 2011 01:09 PM (eOXTH)

Or.... even when she's right... she's wrong???

 

Its like that ancient conundrum.... If a Man speaks in a Forest, and there is no woman there to hear him, is he still wrong?

131 It's important for everyone to remember how hard my job is and how awful Bush was for ten awful years of awfulness, uh, and you must not be, um, distracted by the fact that my recovery plan, uh, failed to reduce unemployment but actually increased it. Also, I'm black, so shut up.

132 Ah I see ace already made most of my points above. Damn I should have hunt-and-pecked faster.

133

Wait, Sean, are you saying that Sarah is AMISH?!?

Well, where I'm from if you used that syntax you'd be a Canuck.

134

That doesn't bode well for a Palin presidency. 

She'll keep shooting.

135 Palin and her supporters are above throwing the more than occasional elbow too. Posted by: DrewM. at June 07, 2011 01:14 PM (2f1Rs) Ever play a game of pick up basketball?

136 Palin can not make a single gaffe, or it get taken to absurd proportion by the media. Even a gaffe which she correct 5 secs later is not ignored by the media. Can anyone here survive such absurdity? We're all human, everyone make typos, misspeak, gaffes occasionally esp one who talk a lot. Remember Kennedy calling Obama Osama?

137 19

No Salmon in Hawaii.

...they both have Coastlines.  But not Salmon.

Posted by: garrett at June 07, 2011 12:49 PM (9bj/S)

 

They do in Alaskawaii.....dumB dumB

138 I tried to cool the shit down,why start with the "palinista,palinbot,st sarah" shit?Can't you guys see how inflaming that is?Based on one snarky dickish remark,just dfanning flames.

139 And people can even get through all three years without actually being able to collect a degree, due to having too many poor grades.

I give you: Yale Law School.

140 Well..... if you want to get all technical.... Revere wasnt the only rider.  Israel Bissel covered over 300 miles on HIS ride.  I bleive there we two other riders as well

Interesting 'cerpt from Wiki on Israel Bissel...

At the end of Bissell's first leg, in Worcester, his first horse collapsed and died from having been driven so hard. At each town along the way, church bells were rung and muskets fired to spread the word; when he reached Philadelphia, the pealing of the Liberty Bell caused a crowd of 8,000 to assemble to hear the news. Bissell then returned to Connecticut, where he joined the army alongside his brother, Justis. After the war, he moved to Middlefield, Massachusetts. Bissell died in 1823 and was buried in the Maple Street Cemetery in Hinsdale, Massachusetts.

141 AmishDude:
"Nobody flunks out of law school. Unlike mathematics or science or engineering, there's very little that a law school student can do to wash out of the program if he still pays tuition. Once you get accepted, they print your diploma."

You know, I had to go to municipal court last week to take care of an old traffic ticket.  What you are saying is quite true, and any fucking retard can be a municipal court judge.  All you do is put on a black robe and shuffle paperwork like any office clerk.  It is appalling how many genuine idiots have law degrees.  This is the democratization of higher education at work, and it's why a B.A. will not get you a job worth a damn.

142 Why can't she say she misspoke. Jesus is it that hard to admit you flubbed up.

143 But did Sarah tweet her weiner? Posted by: Minuteman at June 07, 2011 01:18 PM (B4Wbw) maybe if she had, she'd have less kids? Just saying

144 I remember law school orientation. Some smug professor told us each to look to our left and to our right. Because at least 20% of those you see won't be here at the end of the year. And that smug prick was right.

145 That Palin woman had better not accuse me of installing the first bathtub in the White House.

146 Honestly, when discussing Paul Revere's ride, I assume we are talking about the morning in general, with all the riders spreading out, not just Revere himself. For example, when we say "Washington's Crossing of the Deleware", we know it was not just him, he's just the central figure, as is Revere the central figure in the warning system that night. I'm sure the hope was not to start a war with the British, but as Palin said, to let them know that they would not capture Hancock or Adams, nor the munition store at Concord. Certainly Palin knows (as I would hope anyone listening) that Revere did not ride 100+ miles in all directions that night ringing every bell and firing every musket, I mean yikes... The effect was evident though, the British sent for reinforcements from Boston that morning while marching due to the bells and musket fire. Gage had already given the order before the request made it to Boston.

147 Because at least 20% of those you see won't be here at the end of the year.

The checks didn't clear.

148

Posted by: Leigh T at June 07, 2011 01:15 PM (TkzZY)

Or the one that pretty much started the meme... 'what does the Vice President do?'

I would LOVE to have a Republican Vice President, take up his Constitutionaly mandated JOB of presiding over the Senate...

149 I also hate it that I just put up a post defending Palin, and castigating her media cheap-shot critics, and of course the reaction I get from some of the Palin Thought-Guard is a snotty "Catch up, we have even better spin than this." Well you know what? The hell with your spin. I don't like it. It's this snotty "everyone knows this" reaction, by which it is meant "all the people on the Palin boards have agreed to go forward with this explanation." I don't care what the fuck you've cooked up in a Palin chat-forum. This is what *I* think. If you want to write what's been cooked up in a Palin chat-forum, by all means, start your own "Here's What We Came Up With" blog. I am not obligated to follow in the mistakes of the Palin Collective.

150 157 LOL

151 And there's still way too many fucking lawyers.

152

Hey Drew,

Since you are such a genius whay don't you call Boston University History Professor Brendan McConville and tell him he's fucking idiot just like Palin.

You can also call Patrick Lehay of the Paul Revere House and tell him that up, you and Palin are both idiots.

Then you can get in touch with Zombie Paul Revere and tell him, you know that letter you wrote about your ride. You were fucking wrong man. You have no idea what you did that night because a fucking Poet told us all 100 years later what reall went down.

They are called books, you history revisionists should read them.

Maybe you could start with this article in the Boston Herald.

http://tinyurl.com/3vgjshs

 

153 49 >>>10 What are you talking about? She was right. Paul Revere warned the British Redcoats about the armed militia waiting for them if they attacked, while he was in custody, with a gun to his head. You need to catch up.

Please, don't get me started. I had a whole 2nd half of the post about Saint Sarah the Infallible but I decided to skip it.

But if you want to do the opposite of what the media does -- just as dumb, just the opposite -- and claim that a simple slip of the tongue was actually a strangely-unsignaled attempt to convey a bit of history not widely known, Because Sarah Palin Does Not Make Mistakes As Mortal Man Is Prone To (TM), be my guest.

Posted by: ace at June 07, 2011 12:56 PM (nj1bB)

THANK YOU!  This "story" would have died instantly if the explanation was that it was just a slip of the tongue.  Obviously she (and everyone) knows that Paul Revere warned the Colonists that the British were coming. 

OTOH, if you read a transcript of what she actually said in the clip, it's tough to map that sentence and know what she was getting at.  It's a mess, and plays right into the media's meme about her being confused and stupid.  These aren't mistakes she should still be making at this point.

154 Do people really believe the point of the riders (there was more than one) was to warn the British?

Seriously? That's why you think they were out there that night, that was the plan?

You're sticking with that?

155 Sorry to keep going OT but I was wondering why the report on the sidebar about 30% of employers being likely to drop medical coverage hasn't gotten more play. Even Limbaugh is talking about it now. It is a little more than frightening.

156

I'm not going either way on this.  It is fact that he warned the British, but that isn't what I'm looking at.

What continually astounds me is how easily she stirs the MFM pot.  She's very good at it.  We need more conservatives like her, which might be one of the reasons she's on this tour.  Teaching candidates that expressing conservative core values is well recieved by the American population.

The woman draws large, enthusiastic crowds wherever she goes.  Her popularity scares the shit out of lefties and many here on AoSHQ.  (Yes, I'm looking at you, Drew.  And others.)

 

157

the Palin Collective.

Are we to be.....assimilated???

::: gulp :::

158 In the meantime, democrats can send pictures of their junk to the constituents and it's no big deal.

159 We get it, you and drew hate palin supporters and love saying so. Why not just do a post on that and get it out of the way?

160 Reflexive (intuitive) vs. Reflective (analytical) parts of the brain.  If I'm allowed to steal from Jason Zweig...

The reflexive system gets first crack at making most judgments and decisions.  It is primarily headquartered underneath the cerebral cortex and serves as our "auto-pilot" since our day to day routines are not in need of deep analytical thinking. 

If the reflexive parts of your brain are the default system, the "go-to" circuits that use intuitive processing to tackle problems first, then the reflective areas are the backup machinery, the "uh-oh" circuits that engage analytical thinking.  The reflective brain resides largely in the prefrontal cortex.

As with Paul Revere or 57 states, if you give the reflexive portion of the brain enough chances, it will inevitably let you down.  "It's kind of like a guard dog.  It makes rapid but sort of sloppy decisions.  It will always attack the burglar, but sometimes it might attack the postman, too."

161 Um, he didn't say "the British are coming" either.

162 Forget it.Carry on with the circular firing squad.

163

The media have created and promoted an image of Palin as a dumb, greedy, bimbo. Too many conservatives either climb on this bandwagon, or act like it's her fault for letting this happen.

Similarly, Dick Cheney has been caricatured in the media as a blood-thirsty, torture-loving, warmonger... but the same conservatives who cut and run from Sarah Palin rightfully blame the media smears and defend his honor when it comes to Dick Cheney.

Looks like a double-standard to me.

164 Actually, Palin was substantially correct on all her points. There was an alarm process for calling out the militia which involved gun shots and church bells.  In fact,that is exactly what happened when the Brits got about 1/2 mile from Lexington, Revere still a captive, and a shot rang out.

It was called the “alarm and muster”.

165 claim that a simple slip of the tongue was actually a strangely-unsignaled attempt to convey a bit of history not widely known, Because Sarah Palin Does Not Make Mistakes As Mortal Man Is Prone To (TM), be my guest. -- THANK YOU! This "story" would have died instantly if the explanation was that it was just a slip of the tongue. I always bag on Cabin Boy Ed but he agreed yesterday with you guys here, and I concur.

166 Sorry to keep going OT but I was wondering why the report on the sidebar about 30% of employers being likely to drop medical coverage hasn't gotten more play. Even Limbaugh is talking about it now. It is a little more than frightening. Posted by: George Orwell at June 07, 2011 01:22 PM (AZGON) No, just common sense and business. It will be less expensive to pay the fine and let the employees go on the Gov plan. That is why Private Insurance is a gonner if this plan doesn't get shit canned by the Courts.

167

I don't cite this video to prove Obama is dumb. I cite it to prove the media is dumb. And also dishonest.

Obama isn't dumb, but he isn't brilliant, either. He's got about the intelligence of the average college student, I would guess. But I would cite the video as evidence - no, proof - that he is not culturally an American. He's one de jure, but not de facto. No person who is culturally an American would ever get the number of states wrong, under any circumstances, any more than one would mispeak and say Thomas Jefferson was the first President. A slip of the tongue would be immediately recognized and corrected. That Obama did not recognize his error and immediately correct it speaks volumes.

168 Posted by: Soona at June 07, 2011 01:22 PM (LDIop)

You confuse amuse with 'scare'.

There's this conceit among Palin supporters that people who don't like her 'fear' her or are simply falling for the media line.

Does it never occur to you that some of us just might not find her all that impressive as a prospective candidate or conservative thought leader?

169 The only thing that I know about Paul Revere is that he rode naked through town to get the king to lower taxes.

170 120 Have you read the transcript or listened to her answer? It's kinda incoherent and sounds like someone speaking off the cuff and making a flub. Which is probably what happened and not a big deal since anyone who regularly speaks in the public will flub on occasion.

And if you're going to drop some knowledge that flies in the face of common understanding, you generally note this by way of your intonation and phrasing. I don't hear that in Palin's statement.

So I think she goofed - which is not a big deal.

Posted by: Mætenloch at June 07, 2011 01:14 PM (TU3mr)

This is it exactly.  It was a flub, which really doesn't matter.  Turning it into "I didn't flub!  I NEVER flub!" is just tedious.

171 Similarly, Dick Cheney has been caricatured in the media as a blood-thirsty, torture-loving, warmonger..

Wait...he's not?  Are you trying to commit blasphemy?  That's what we like about him, damn it!

172 Just FYI -- not true. Law school's first year has a lot of drop-outs and flunk-outs.

And I do acknowledge the example of one Albert Gore, Jr. "Nobody" wasn't to be taken literally, but as hyperbolic derision.

Keep in mind that in the sciences you don't even have the issue of financing, people don't drop out because they can't afford it anymore -- there are TAs -- they drop out because they actually flunk.

173 It will be less expensive to pay the fine and let the employees go on the Gov plan. That is why Private Insurance is a gonner if this plan doesn't get shit canned by the Courts. Hello, Single Payer! WASF.

174 I really miss Bush.  He never gave a fuck when he misspoke.  The trolls shrieked like loons all the time about it and he just laughed about it. 

Why can't Sarah Palin and Obama do that?  Neither one of them can laugh at themselves AT ALL.  Even Biden can laugh at himself.

175 Does it never occur to you that some of us just might not find her all that impressive as a prospective candidate or conservative thought leader?

Posted by: DrewM. at June 07, 2011 01:25 PM (2f1Rs)

Drew, when you come upon a mugging victim, barely conscious in a pool of his own blood, do you bend down and say, "You know, you really shouldn't have been in this neighborhood to begin with."?

176

Even Biden can laugh at himself.

He's had much more practice.

 

177 Conservative blogger Ace of Spades has speculated about a "double state" of Alaskawaii. NBC talked to historian Douglas Brinkley, who confirmed there was never such a state or even a colony. Brinkley further noted that states such as North and South Carolinas and the Dakotas are not known as double states, but are separate, sovereign jurisdictions. Ace's apparent gaffe has divided the conservative blogosphere. Andrew Sullivan, an early supporter of the Iraq War, believed Ace could find redemption if he took a continuing education geography class. Charles Johnson, who led conservative bloggers in pursuing the "Rathergate" controversy, opined that Ace's standing in the blogging community had been irretrievably lost.

178 Even Biden can laugh at himself. Posted by: Beth at June 07, 2011 01:25 PM (5NfIh) Well in his case, practice makes perfect

179 Even Biden can laugh at himself. So it's official... we are ALL laughing.

180

Can't we all just get along?

181 That NPR dialogue someone posted makes a lot of sense. Palin was trying to link it to the 2nd Amendment, which most people wouldn't normally do, even though its a perfect example of why we have the 2n amendment. To do that, you need to mention warning the British.

182 Why would one assume that she misspoke rather than assume that she knows more than one's self? I do not understand.<<<

Because she's teh stoopit.  Not sophisticated like the Usual Suspects here.  Uneducated.  Rube-like.  Worse, she has a _^vagina.

183 Remember Kennedy calling Obama Osama?

Posted by: oic at June 07, 2011 01:18 PM (dDBDn)

I remember Kennedy calling himself a jelly doughnut, but he did it in German so I guess that doesn't count...

184 @190
Thread winner!

185

The Colonists were British.

Even back then, there weren't 57 states, not even 1 unless you consider the State of rebellion..

186

They are claiming that she does not possess the common knowledge possessed by a first grader.

Have you seen the state of our education system?  I would be happy if a slim majority of high schoolers know about Paul Revere.

187 Do people really believe the point of the riders (there was more than one) was to warn the British?

Seriously? That's why you think they were out there that night, that was the plan?

You're sticking with that?

Posted by: DrewM. at June 07, 2011 01:21 PM (2f1Rs)

First of all read the link at 162 before you embarrass yourself anymore.

She didn't say that was Paul Revere's mission, she said that is what happened. Right down to the firing of muskets and ringing of bells.

188

She said he warned the British that they shouldn't take the colonists lightly.

I don't exactly see what's wrong with what she said, and considerign the history that backs her up.

But I was just listening to Barry on rush today and he is such a douche, he just blabbers and blabbers...he talks just like I did when I was trying to bullshit teachers...in 10th grade.

Seriously!

So, we have this stuff over here, that's causing something that we should all be afraid of and have to deal with, and so, this stuff over here...

I'd love to have some idiot journalist ask him what bond yields are.

He has no fucking idea about anything.

189 You know I actually like Palin - since she reminds me a lot of my mother. But I'm also beginning to really dislike the Cult of Sarah which cannot abide even the littlest criticism of her.

And no you don't get credit for a "technically" correct answer if that wasn't what you had in mind when you gave it. I think she goofed - which happens. So why can't we all be honest about that? And yes I'm disappointed in Palin for trying to spin her way out of this.

190 Posted by: AmishDude at June 07, 2011 01:26 PM (T0NGe)

So because the media was horrible to her, it's incumbent upon me to pretend Palin is everything her supporters claim to be?

191 #192 That's how I've understood her remarks from the beginning. She knew exactly what she was talking about however inartfully she expressed it.

192

How is this history not widely known?

Oh, public schools. I keep forgetting.

I'm sure the "widely known" facts have even been replaced by LGTQxyZ sensitivity training by now.

 

Sigh.

Bad little bald monkeys deserve whatever they give themselves.

193 161 And there's still way too many fucking lawyers.

Posted by: Dave at June 07, 2011 01:21 PM (Xm1aB)

Single payer.  That's all I'm sayin'.

194 Palin outsmarts pointy-headed intellectuals, and Drew, round 3,665.

195
57 states is one thing. The corpse-man thing is something else. Misspeaking it as corpse-man once could be excused as a simple mistake, jet-lag, "I was thinking about my short-game" etc.

The second "corpse-man" in the same prepared speech tells me that he had no idea how to properly pronounce a relatively common word in the English language.

I absolutely believe that English is his first language, so I'm gonna have to go with "he's a fuckin' idiot".

Actually, I don't believe for a second that he has any language other than English.

196 Ann Coulter was on Hannity last night and made a point of saying (with a straight face!) that we don't "worship" our political leaders like Obamabots do, because we have something more important to worship (God, obviously).  I know she was thinking of Palin supporters (and Paultards, and Cainbots) and signaling to them to fucking cool it.

197

Similarly, Dick Cheney has been caricatured in the media as a blood-thirsty, torture-loving, warmonger..

and I suppose he doesn't wear Cougar Skin Condoms, either?

198 The Belknap Letter

Letter from Paul Revere to Dr. Jeremy Belknap, c. 1789

"Dear Sir,

Having a little leisure, I wish to fullfill my promise, of giving you some facts, and Anecdotes, prior to the Battle of Lexington, which I do not remember to have seen in any history of the American Revolution. [...]"

199 This Palin thing is an old story.  And, for the record, she didn't really flub the line.  History professors are coming out and supporting her statement that PR warned the British.  So there...

200 187 Does it never occur to you that some of us just might not find her all that impressive as a prospective candidate or conservative thought leader?

Posted by: DrewM. at June 07, 2011 01:25 PM (2f1Rs)

Drew, when you come upon a mugging victim, barely conscious in a pool of his own blood, do you bend down and say, "You know, you really shouldn't have been in this neighborhood to begin with."?

Posted by: AmishDude at June 07, 2011 01:26 PM (T0NGe)

Wow, that's some analogy.

I've always thought some of the support for Palin had to do with people who want to avenge her for what the MSM did to her in 2008.  The evidence is starting to pile up.

201 I seriously wish some Republican would sponsor a "single-payer plan" for the entire legal profession, with Affordable Legal Representation Boards.

202 And no you don't get credit for a "technically" correct answer if that wasn't what you had in mind when you gave it. I think she goofed

Maet... is a mind reader.  You're killing me.

The more likely reason is that Palin just finished a guided tour of New England and she was just parroting some facts given by the guides.  She is too stupid to know this stuff, doncha know.

203
Similarly, Dick Cheney has been caricatured in the media as a blood-thirsty, torture-loving, warmonger..





Caricatured my ass. That's the man in a nutshell. And it's fuckin' awesome.

204 OTOH, if you read a transcript of what she actually said in the clip, it's tough to map that sentence and know what she was getting at.  It's a mess, and plays right into the media's meme about her being confused and stupid.  These aren't mistakes she should still be making at this point.<<<robviously

I didn't have any problems, but I was an English major.  Perhaps others don't rise to that level of expertise.

205 So it's "obvious" Palin flubbed because, even though she was technically correct, she didn't mean it that way? And we "know" Ann Coulter was telling Palin supporters to calm down when speaking about her new book aimed at liberals? I hate to say it, but some folks sound like Chucky Johnson's minions did when they were sure Breitbart had hacked Weiner's electronics.

206 I'll be out on the curb with you, Mallamutt, if that's the case.

207 And no you don't get credit for a "technically" correct answer if that wasn't what you had in mind when you gave it. I think she goofed - which happens. So why can't we all be honest about that? And yes I'm disappointed in Palin for trying to spin her way out of this.

Posted by: Mætenloch at June 07, 2011 01:28 PM (TU3mr)

Oh fuck me running. Being correct isn't good enough anymore? Did you really just say that? I mean really?

208 "The second "corpse-man" in the same prepared speech tells me that he had no idea how to properly pronounce a relatively common word in the English language." --I make mistakes like this, too. Oregano...I just cannot say it right. I also think that unless you have served or are interested in the military pronouncing it wrong would be much easier. "I absolutely believe that English is his first language, so I'm gonna have to go with "he's a fuckin' idiot"." Well, keep in mind when he was a little kid, in those formative years, he was in Indonesia in Indonesian schools. That actually will weaken your English, even if your Mom speaks it. (I know as my daughter was raised in Taiwan for 4.5 years.) It also means, he may have missed out on some common cultural stuff - for example I doubt they teach greek mythology in Indonesia, so he mispronounces "Orion" "Actually, I don't believe for a second that he has any language other than English." You'd think he'd drop some Indonesian once in a while...did he when he made his visit there?

209 You are starting to bore me,  "Maet"

210 Actually Dave, you could also sound like Chucky Johnson's minions or a Kostard looking desperately for a way to excuse Anthony Weiner.  If you wanna start calling names and shit, that is. 

211 Maet... is a mind reader.  You're killing me.

The more likely reason is that Palin just finished a guided tour of New England and she was just parroting some facts given by the guides.  She is too stupid to know this stuff, doncha know.

Posted by: PeePeePundit at June 07, 2011 01:30 PM (+sBB4)

I'm just going by how she appeared in the video clip - where I think she just misspoke. If you're going to point out a fact that isn't commonly known, you introduce it as such. She didn't, so I'm assuming that that wasn't her intention.

People misspeak all the time in normal conversation - I don't see why this is such a big deal.

212 Palin + scandal =  zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

213

Uh........not sure about all law schools, but the one I attended, you could and people did. Actually, about 10% wash out.

10%?

Ten percent?

That's it?

That's statistical noise.

About 1/2 of those who wash out elect to leave.

So we're down to 5%.  How many of those elected to leave because it was costing too much or because they just figured this wasn't the life for them?

My failure/drop rate for one course of multivariable calculus is about 33%.  That's after two weedings (calc 1 and 2).

I'm supposed to be impressed by Mr. Ultra-Super-Gamma-Irradiated-Brain-Supergenius Barack Obama because he went to Harvard Law School (remember, that is the ONLY evidence we have of his intellect) and your reasonably good law schools have a failure rate of 5%?

But more to the point, what's the rate at Harvard?

214

Part of this was posted earlier, but it really deserves little more, plus the link. NPR:

"Sarah Palin caused a colonial-era commotion last week with comments she made in Boston about Paul Revere's famous ride. Melissa Block speaks with Robert Allison, a professor and historian at Suffolk University about Palin's comments to see just how historically accurate they were..."

BLOCK: So you think basically, on the whole, Sarah Palin got her history right.

Prof. ALLISON: Well, yeah, she did. And remember, she is a politician. She's not an historian. And God help us when historians start acting like politicians, and I suppose when politicians start writing history.

BLOCK: Are there other historians, Professor, whom you've talked with who say you're being entirely too charitable towards Sarah Palin here, and she really did misread American...

Prof. ALLISON: I haven't talked to many - well, I don't know. I mean, I haven't talked to too many historians today. And, you know, Sarah Palin is a lightning rod. I just was thinking about how many times, you know, I've spoken about Paul Revere. I've organized events about the American Revolution. No one ever pays any attention. Suddenly, Sarah Palin comes to town, makes an off-the-cuff remark about what she learned, and suddenly, you're calling me to find out what I think about Paul Revere and the American Revolution.

http://tinyurl.com/3pls2dz

 

215 214 I seriously wish some Republican would sponsor a "single-payer plan" for the entire legal profession, with Affordable Legal Representation Boards.<<

I've thought that for some time.  It's ridiculous what they charge, so that only the well-to-do can get justice.

216

I think she goofed - which happens. So why can't we all be honest about that?

We can.

I think you're fucking biased and being retarded. Why can't we all be honest about that?

I say 'biased' - I don't know why, or how, but I cannot fathom anything else.

Bizzarro world.

How does she 'goof', correctly and with correct details, better than I knew before she did it?

And look at the context - the idea of Revere warning the Brits fits with what she was saying.

Look ...

This is it exactly.  It was a flub, which really doesn't matter.  Turning it into "I didn't flub! 

Why do you think she flubbed and got right by accident?!?

Seriously, why?

Because of the way she didn't phrase it very clearly? Why do you assume the 'flub' is that she said 'warned the british' instead of phrasing it more clearly? It's totally speculative. It cannot not be biased.

Based on 'most people' using 'markers' to designate 'I'm about to learn you something you didn't know' or some such. It's ridiculous.

Maybe the 'flub' was that she forgot the 'marker'? No, no. No.

Why?

Cuz - why can't she be honest and admit she's wrong.

This seriously blows my fucking mind.

And I don't even think she's going to run. Presumably I'm some derranged Palinsta anyway.

217

Do I get cast out if I admit that Sarah Palin is starting to bore me?

Death by stoning.  Dawn, at the edge of town.

Too good for you if you ask me, blasphemer.

218 OK, now she must introduce any fact that isn't commonly known by saying so. And be right. And sound right. Anything else?

219 Well Beth, I think it's clear Palin's statement was substantively correct based on what I've read. I'm not capable of reading her mind in order to declare she "flubbed" because that's not what she meant to say. But if you and others are so qualified, have at it (as if you need my permission).

220 Does it never occur to you that some of us just might not find her all that impressive as a prospective candidate or conservative thought leader?

Posted by: DrewM. at June 07, 2011 01:25 PM (2f1Rs)

 

I'm sure you'd be saying exactly the same thing about George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, Ronald Reagan, etc., if you lived in their time.  I haven't been convinced by anything you've written that you even understand what leadership is. 

 

221 (Sigh) OK, Dick Cheney was a bad example. How about Mitt Romney, then. He's been caricatured in the media as a pandering disingenuous establishment RINO lightweight with no real ideological convictions.

Oh, wait, that's our caricature of Romney.

How about Paul Ryan and the old lady in the wheelchair, then? If the media portrayed Sarah Palin that way, most of the commenters here along with half the editors at NRO and all the ones at the Weakly Stuttered would be clucking their tongues and saying, "No way will America elect a woman president who pushed an old lady over the cliff in a wheelchair."

222 217 OTOH, if you read a transcript of what she actually said in the clip, it's tough to map that sentence and know what she was getting at.  It's a mess, and plays right into the media's meme about her being confused and stupid.  These aren't mistakes she should still be making at this point.<<<robviously

I didn't have any problems, but I was an English major.  Perhaps others don't rise to that level of expertise.

Posted by: Kerry at June 07, 2011 01:32 PM (a/VXa)

Her quote: "He who warned the British that they weren't gonna be taking away our arms by ringing those bells and making sure as he's riding his horse through town to send those warning shots and bells that we were gonna be secure and we were gonna be free."

He warned the British after he was captured.  The warning shots and bells were to alert the Colonists.  Her giant run-on sentence is all over the place. 

223 Oh fuck me running. Being correct isn't good enough anymore? Did you really just say that? I mean really?

Posted by: robtr at June 07, 2011 01:34 PM (MtwBb)

Yes. Being unintentionally correct isn't the same thing as being consciously correct. We even have a word for that - a "lucky guess".  Why is this is so beyond the pale?

224 I seriously wish some Republican would sponsor a "single-payer plan" for the entire legal profession, with Affordable Legal Representation Boards. ------------------------------------------- That is an awesome idea. To lower costs, we will cap lawyers salaries at $30,000 / year, but will give them food stamps and medicaid as perks.

225

Posted by: Mætenloch at June 07, 2011 01:34 PM (TU3mr)

Or, she was still assimilating new knowledge into her worldview... and had not enunciated that thought before... so was looking for words while not really paying attention...

Thus, technicly correct, but not said with the artfull delivery we come to expect from politicians who are constantly delivering Speeches or boilerplate positions?

226 ... East Carolina, West Carolina, Columbia, Puerto Rico, Washington DC, San Francisco, Kenya... there, 57!

227

If you're going to point out a fact that isn't commonly known, you introduce it as such. She didn't, so I'm assuming that that wasn't her intention.

Always.

Everyone.

What the fuck world do you live in?

Reality based..... I quit.

228 “warned the British that they weren’t going to be taking away our arms by ringing those bells and making sure as he’s riding his horse through town to send those warning shots and bells that we were going to be secure and we were going to be free.”

Funny, but she never said anything about warning the British by talking to them. She said he was "ringing those bells" and "send those warning shots and bells".

So her own words mention nothing about what her defenders claimed.

Of course, that misses the bigger point. Revere's ride had nothing to do with warning the British.

229 Palin is clearly not qualified to be President because show knows facts that intellectuals don't know.

Pretzels for all.

230 What's really funny is the Palin supporters are getting all wee-wee'd up even though the post is about how stupid and dishonest the MFM are in their ridiculous attacks on her about this stupid non-story.  I guess if you don't pay proper homage when mentioning St. Sarah (PBUH), you must face the wrath of the cult. 

SHUN THE NON-BELIEVERS!!!! SHUN!!! SHUN!!!

(I still think the libs and the lib media is hateful and stupid and dishonest)

231

These Palin threads represent why she is not the "best" candidate. I don't think I can watch eight or eighteen months of this. It is too easy to divert from the topic [whatever it is] to a discussion of whether Sarah's a dumbass. I don't think she is, but the presidential election needs to focus on whether Obama is a dumbass.

Right now, Palin serves the Country, by being the poster child for media bias from a media that constantly misrepresents anyone who advocates conservative ideas. In my mind, the "Palinistas" shouldn't be criticized for defending her in this latest episode. By defending her, they are establishing the broader point of MFM BS. I don't see a lot of upside by bagging on her supporters or her. Rather it is an opportunity to continue to beat on the media, which I thought was Ace's point.

A better response for her would have been: "You know what I meant [asshole]."

Too bad none of the other candidates will step up and say to the MFM "You know what she meant [assholes]."

OT: I think it would be fun to re-edit the Obama Big Brother ad that he ran against Hillary. Put Obama on the screen in front of the zombies and have Sarah throw the hammer that breaks the trance.

232 234 Does it never occur to you that some of us just might not find her all that impressive as a prospective candidate or conservative thought leader?

Posted by: DrewM. at June 07, 2011 01:25 PM (2f1Rs)

I'm sure you'd be saying exactly the same thing about George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, Ronald Reagan, etc., if you lived in their time.  I haven't been convinced by anything you've written that you even understand what leadership is. 

Posted by: Soona at June 07, 2011 01:37 PM (LDIop) 

Based on what?

233 Um uh like I like um uh went to like um Harvard Law um like school.  It was um uh like really um like hard and stuff.  But um it made me like um a better um like uh public speaker.

234

I...

You know what, nevermind.

235 >>Palin can not make a single gaffe, or it get taken to absurd proportion by the media. I really don't think thats very surprising. First, they do this to all Republican candidates. Always have, always will. The msm is almost universally liberal, they voted for Obama and they support him. Palin has made her chops since she came onto the national stage for attacking Obama and all things Democrat. She really hasn't run on any policy, just attack. That's not a criticism, this was her job during the campaign but she never really left it behind. So naturally the msm is going to sit in wait for her and when she does make her infrequent, non-scripted public appearances they are going to pounce on anything she says that is not correct. So when she was asked what she learned after taking her guided Freedom Tour that day she responded with the back story about that everyone gets on the Freedom Tour, although she did makes some editorial changes. Saying that Revere "warned" the Brits is like saying KSM warned the Americans after he was captured and interrogated. That was not the intent of either of them. Minor screw up made into a major media scandal? Sure. But not surprising. And it's also not surprising that Palin fans, who never miss an opportunity to pounce on any other Republican for the most minor (and often invented) offense get little sympathy. I know they don't see it but it would help their cause if they dialed back their self-righteous venom a tad. Palin is far from perfect just like all of our candidates and yes, she often says dumb things.

236 And it's the Palin defenders that are over the top. Right.

237 Yes. Being unintentionally correct isn't the same thing as being consciously correct. We even have a word for that - a "lucky guess".  Why is this is so beyond the pale?

Posted by: Mætenloch at June 07, 2011 01:39 PM (TU3mr)

Because you don't get "lucky" including details of ringing bells and firing muskets. Those are facts that she just learned at the Paul Revere house or maybe she learned them somewhere else. I am not a mind reader. Ask my ex-wife.

238

I've always thought some of the support for Palin had to do with people who want to avenge her for what the MSM did to her in 2008.  The evidence is starting to pile up.

Posted by: robviously at June 07, 2011 01:30 PM (H9eC4)

Just keep piling on, then.  That's it.  Keep hitting her with ridiculous attacks.  That'll teach those proles not to try to get into the ruling class.

239 Palin supporters are getting all wee-wee'd up

I'm not a Palin supporter.  I don't like assholes that make up stuff on either side.  And I'm not a mind reader.

240 Obama doesn't believe there are 57 states or that there are fallen heroes sitting at a Memorial Day Service.  Palin doesn't believe that North Korea is our ally.  Anyone who thinks these are any more than inconsequential slips-of-the-tongue is being childish and stupidly partisan. They may be safely ignored.  But...
In the VP debate when Biden claimed that the US and France chased Hezbollah out of Lebanon, this is not a slip of the tongue, it's a falsehood. And, it's coming from the guy who's supposed to make up for Obama's lack of foreign policy expertise.
When Obama bragged that his Kenyan uncle helped Patton liberate a Polish labor camp, this was not a slip of the tongue. It was a candidate who has poll problems with the military trying to bullshit some empathy.
When Palin argues that firing Dr. Laura from her radio show violated her 2nd Amendment rights, she's wrong.  Freedom of speech does not obligate someone to give you a microphone.
This is how you critically judge what someone says. The Revere thing is just the press taking an ambiguity and choosing an interpretation that makes her look bad.  Just like the "if she refuses to name a newspaper that means she's never read one in her life" nonsense.
That liberals and far too many conservatives walk around carrying so many lies in their head about Palin is a sad commentary on the intelligence of the modern American.

241 I went to law school because I hate math. Except for "getting paid math." I'm good at that kind of math.

242 Uh........not sure about all law schools, but the one I attended, you could and people did. Actually, about 10% wash out.

LOL, Nuke school in the Navy ran about 50% when I went through and they started with a minimum GCT+ARI requirement of 120 (OCS was 110). If you count it up all the way from boot camp to successfully making it to the fleet the drop out rate was even higher.

There were about 25 or 30 "nukes" in my company in boot camp. I was the only one to make it all the way through.

243 #256 Well stated. I stand with you.

244 223 You are starting to bore me,  "Maet"

Posted by: Sara P at June 07, 2011 01:34 PM (UqKQV)

Sigh. As I said I actually like Palin. But by not going 100% along with the Palin supporters gets me exiled to RINOville.

I guess I can live with that.

245 Lets chalk it up to a staff failure, they have to prevent these gotcha-in your uncomposed face interviews. Obama's people kept him from that crap (with the complicity of the MFM) to preserve his "super-genius, professor of law" image. That doesn't mean isolate her - but every camera gets time and place determined by her - or else they get a standard kiss-the-baby, god bless america comment.

246 He warned the British after he was captured.  The warning shots and bells were to alert the Colonists.  Her giant run-on sentence is all over the place. <<<robviously

Well...yeah.  Like spoken sentences do when typed out.  Somehow I doubt your spoken speech is the model of erudition you display here.

247

Why do you think she flubbed and got right by accident?!?

Seriously, why?

Because of the way she didn't phrase it very clearly? Why do you assume the 'flub' is that she said 'warned the british' instead of phrasing it more clearly? It's totally speculative. It cannot not be biased.

That it wasn't entirely clear what she was trying to say is her fault, not anyone else's.

Had she said something along the lines of "Paul Revere rode through town warning the colonists that the British were coming to disarm them, and in doing so he sent a message to the British that we would stand up and fight for our freedoms.", there'd be no question of what she meant.

Instead, she made it sound as though Revere was riding through town with the main intent of warning the British.  Again- that's on her.

248 249 Um uh like I like um uh went to like um Harvard Law um like school.  It was um uh like really um like hard and stuff.  But um it made me like um a better um like uh public speaker.

Posted by: Caroline Kennedy at June 07, 2011 01:40 PM (An8Cu)

Remember that Meggie Mac went to Columbia undergrad.  So did Obama.

Well, not really.  Obama went to the General Studies program.

Which is roughly like getting a communication degree from Cornell Ag School.

249 Thank you Rush.

250 robtr

that is "their" stance.......sarah being right...threatens "them" "they" can't handle it...

Posted by: ✡phoenixgirl✡ I STAND WITH ISRAEL & SARAH at June 07, 2011 01:40 PM (eOXTH)

I don't give a rats ass whether they like or are afraid of Palin.

I do care about unfair criticism base on their own ignorance of history.

251 It's clear to me that ace's readers require their candidates to read from a teleprompter.

/just poking the nest a little

252 255

I've always thought some of the support for Palin had to do with people who want to avenge her for what the MSM did to her in 2008.  The evidence is starting to pile up.

Posted by: robviously at June 07, 2011 01:30 PM (H9eC4)

Just keep piling on, then.  That's it.  Keep hitting her with ridiculous attacks.  That'll teach those proles not to try to get into the ruling class.

Posted by: AmishDude at June 07, 2011 01:42 PM (T0NGe)

It's a "ridiculous attack" to say that she flubbed a sentence about Paul Revere?  The only ridiculous thing about it is the freakout about how she was really right all along and outsmarted anyone who doubted her.  Wouldn't it have been easier to admit she misspoke but then reassert the point she was trying to make (which may have been valid but has now been completely lost)?

253 I'm sure you'd be saying exactly the same thing about George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, Ronald Reagan, etc., if you lived in their time.  I haven't been convinced by anything you've written that you even understand what leadership is.
Posted by: Soona at June 07, 2011 01:37 PM (LDIop)

In what fucking world is Sarah Palin anything like Washington, Lincoln or Reagan?

Jebus...serving a half year as a Governor and appearing on Fox News doesn't exactly get you into that club.

All three of them were incredibly accomplished before becoming President. Palin, like most people, simply can't a hold a candle to any of them.

254 Which doesn't have a high enough wash out rate as upper math classes.

Not upper.  Lower.  Lower math classes.

It doesn't have the same washout rate as College Algebra.  Which is actually High School Algebra.

Mae, I'm sure you're a perfectly intelligent person, but when the aliens come to earth and say, "Find us your most brilliant human or we will destroy the planet." we ain't gonna be spending any time at all in the law schools.

255 This is one of the biggest problems with the blogosphere and commentary in general. People form an opinion about what must have been going on in someone else's head, and far from ASKING the person, they just go on to build a castle in the clouds based on that assumption.

All we have is Palin's original statement, a few ignorant reporters' "gotchas," a couple of historian's responses, Palin's response that it wasn't an error, and about 40 billion flailing blog comments.

No wonder we never get anywhere.

256

It's a "ridiculous attack" to say that she flubbed a sentence about Paul Revere? 

Posted by: robviously at June 07, 2011 01:46 PM (H9eC4)

Why. Even. Mention. It.?

Why. Pile. On.?

257 What time is the High Speed Salmon Train leaving for Wasilla-Kiki?

258 NPR states Sarah Palin was right. Not good enough for AoS.

259 Rush, thanks.

260 263 He warned the British after he was captured.  The warning shots and bells were to alert the Colonists.  Her giant run-on sentence is all over the place. <<<robviously

Well...yeah.  Like spoken sentences do when typed out.  Somehow I doubt your spoken speech is the model of erudition you display here.

Posted by: Kerry at June 07, 2011 01:44 PM (a/VXa)

Which would be fine if it made sense.  Paul Revere's ride wasn't about warning the British.  He rode to warn the Americans about the British and then told the British to back off once he'd been captured.  Her quote just smushes it all together into one thing and it doesn't work.

261

Posted by: DrewM. at June 07, 2011 01:46 PM (2f1Rs)

THIS ^^^

262 What does Martin Bashir have to say about this?  I won't be able to formulate an opinion until I hear it from a guy with a limey accent.

263 Because you don't get "lucky" including details of ringing bells and firing muskets. Those are facts that she just learned at the Paul Revere house or maybe she learned them somewhere else. I am not a mind reader. Ask my ex-wife.

Posted by: robtr at June 07, 2011 01:42 PM (MtwBb)

Well let's say that she actually intended to make that point.

Then she mangled her statement and made it sound like she flubbed it. Which was <gasp> a mistake. Like any regular public speaker Palin messes up on occasion. Like I said it's not a big deal - except that we're not allowed to ever acknowledge this.

264

Posted by: DrewM. at June 07, 2011 01:39 PM (2f1Rs)

Yes, because the Brits, who were on a SECRET mission, would never HEAR the guns and bells going off...

You know, those guns and bells which it was common knowledge at the time brought forth the Militias?

Remember, the people at the time were not in Rebellion yet.... they were trying to make a statement just short of bloodshed... by showing the Brits they were willing to stand up for themselves (which is why the Redcoats made it a SECRET mission).

Both sides were under orders NOT to Fire...  both sides were trying to get the other to blink first... and when Revere was captured he DID tell them about the Coloinist Militia, in the hope that they would halt the operation.

265 It was a flub and all politicians make them. I don't think she meant to imply that Revere's purpose was to warn the British, though that's the way it sounded. Best thing to do is to carefully admit the awkward phrasing and move forward.

266

Thank you Rush.

 

Rush just summed up how I feel about the Palin detractors supporters. 

267 In what fucking world is Sarah Palin anything like Washington, Lincoln or Reagan?

Actually, Washington was not a terribly articulate person -- writing or speaking.  He was the strong, silent type.  Madison, Jefferson, Hamilton -- those were the brains of the outfit. If you read some Madison and Jefferson and then read some of Washington's letters, you will see that he was not very full of rhetorical flourish.

Lincoln's Gettysburg Address was considered at the time to be a minor speech of no great import.

Even Reagan's intellect was derided, even by the Right. In fact, there was no vindication for him until his letters were published.

268

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 07, 2011 01:47 PM (bxiXv)

 

Agree.

269 Please, don't get me started. I had a whole 2nd half of the post about Saint Sarah the Infallible but I decided to skip it.

Posted by: ace at June 07, 2011 12:56 PM (nj1bB)

I hope you saved it.  I'd like to read it, and besides, you KNOW you'll have ample opportunity in the future to publish it.

270

It's a "ridiculous attack" to say that she flubbed a sentence about Paul Revere? 

It is ridiculous to say that a true statement is false and deserves correction.

Fuck Palin and fuck her oratory.

It is goddamn ridiculous.

271 273

It's a "ridiculous attack" to say that she flubbed a sentence about Paul Revere? 

Posted by: robviously at June 07, 2011 01:46 PM (H9eC4)

Why. Even. Mention. It.?

Why. Pile. On.?

Posted by: AmishDude at June 07, 2011 01:47 PM (T0NGe)

Because it's a valid criticism.  No one would give an S about the flubbed sentence but now the story is dragging on and on while she and her supporters try to convince everyone that she was right all along and never, ever misspoke.  It's this strategy that we're criticizing.  Is this winning her any new supporters?  Is this helping her get her message out?

272 Well let's say that she actually intended to make that point.

Then she mangled her statement and made it sound like she flubbed it. Which was <gasp> a mistake. Like any regular public speaker Palin messes up on occasion. Like I said it's not a big deal - except that we're not allowed to ever acknowledge this.

Posted by: Mætenloch at June 07, 2011 01:49 PM (TU3mr)

Or we could just say that all you knew before today of Paul Revere's ride you learned from a fucking poet who left out some things and embellished some things while writing a poem and now you just won't get off your position and admit you are wrong?

I'm just mindreading here.

273 Rush is ON it.

274 Which would be fine if it made sense.  Paul Revere's ride wasn't about warning the British.  He rode to warn the Americans about the British and then told the British to back off once he'd been captured.  Her quote just smushes it all together into one thing and it doesn't work.<<<

You're wrong.  That's ok, it happens.

275 Posted by: Romeo13 at June 07, 2011 01:49 PM (NtXW4)

All I'm saying is the after the fact claim about how Revere warned the British doesn't match her actual words.

But we're supposed to ignore that while you continue to revise and extend her remarks.

276 284 In what fucking world is Sarah Palin anything like Washington, Lincoln or Reagan?

Actually, Washington was not a terribly articulate person -- writing or speaking.  He was the strong, silent type.  Madison, Jefferson, Hamilton -- those were the brains of the outfit. If you read some Madison and Jefferson and then read some of Washington's letters, you will see that he was not very full of rhetorical flourish.

Lincoln's Gettysburg Address was considered at the time to be a minor speech of no great import.

Even Reagan's intellect was derided, even by the Right. In fact, there was no vindication for him until his letters were published.

Posted by: AmishDude at June 07, 2011 01:51 PM (T0NGe)

Lincoln cut his teeth in the Lincoln-Douglas debates about slavery.  Reagan delivered some amazing speeches going back to the 1964 Presidential election and articulated his ideas successfully as a two-term governor of California.

277 Well you know what? The hell with your spin. I don't like it.

Because "She's retarded" is a step too far, but not as much of a step too far as "She's probably about as smart as me, and knows a thing I don't."

You are psychotic about Palin. Full Sullivan.

278 I guess I'm reading a different account of Palin's remarks than Drew.

279

Or, she was still assimilating new knowledge into her worldview... and had not enunciated that thought before... so was looking for words while not really paying attention...

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 07, 2011 01:39 PM (NtXW4)

Occam's razor

280 291 Which would be fine if it made sense.  Paul Revere's ride wasn't about warning the British.  He rode to warn the Americans about the British and then told the British to back off once he'd been captured.  Her quote just smushes it all together into one thing and it doesn't work.<<<

You're wrong.  That's ok, it happens.

Posted by: Kerry at June 07, 2011 01:54 PM (a/VXa)

I like the "Shut up!" argument you're using here.  Persuasive.

281

All I'm saying is the after the fact claim about how Revere warned the British doesn't match her actual words.

What we should be pointing out is what, I think ace, mentioned above.

 

-If she was trying to make the point her supporters insist we concede that she was making, she failed to do so cogently. 

-If  she was making this point because she was just reminded of its veracity on a recent visit to a Historical site, how could she get it so awfully wrong in the retelling?

 

 

282 All I'm saying is the after the fact claim about how Revere warned the British doesn't match her actual words.

But we're supposed to ignore that while you continue to revise and extend her remarks.

Posted by: DrewM. at June 07, 2011 01:54 PM (2f1Rs)

You are starting to sound like a birther. It matches her words and meaning exactly. In fact, Revere inflated the number of colonists when warning the British to try and convince them the colonists weren't fucking around.

You should really read more before you talk. 

283 Maybe because she wasn't thinking (doing other things while talking) as I believe Ace himself pointed out.

284 Oh sweet Jesus.  Everything she said was correct and she had just been on a tour where all of those facts were part of the spiel.  And the best Ace can seem to come up with is a "slip of the tongue" defense.  Since when does someone need to fall back on claiming a slip of the tongue when they are right in every particular?  Hell, she even said that Revere told the Brits they wouldn't be disarming us as was part of their mission because the colonists stood armed and ready.  So not only did she get the facts right she expounded upon them.  And it is not like she didn't set everyone up with the 1773 thing before. 

Why is it Breitbart can do this sort of stuff and he is a genius but Palin  is never given credit for making the oafs look like oafs?  Even Ace, who I respect greatly, doesn't come out of this looking too good either since he obviously wasn't up to snuff on everything that transpired. I think in his heart he has bought into the unelectable and ignorant memes. Those may be true but they are only true because the Republican establishment is about to be deposed and has an interest in playing along with the riff.

Palin's style of speaking and accent is annoying as hell but we aren't electing the person with the best grammar. Maybe she doesn't bother me as much because I never listen to what a politician says.  I only care about what they do and so far she doesn't have any Romneycare albatrosses circling her carcass.

285 except that we're not allowed to ever acknowledge this.

Posted by: Mætenloch at June 07, 2011 01:49 PM (TU3mr)

SO what the fuck am I reading now? It sure as shit looks like that's what you're doing.

Oh, you mean no one is allowed to argue with you about it. Gotcha.

That's easy enough, start a blog that doesn't allow comments. PROBLEM SOLVED.

Nothing personal, Maet, but you're reminding me of James Hansen, who gave hundreds of interviews while he worked at NASA, repeatedly claiming he wasn't being allowed to speak about his ideas. In interviews. Publicly. That he wasn't allowed.

(Insert picture of cat pushing watermelon out of a lake here.)

286 But we're supposed to ignore that while you continue to revise and extend her remarks.

Posted by: DrewM. at June 07, 2011 01:54 PM (2f1Rs)

NO.... I'm revising and extending MY remarks, thanyou very much...

She did NOT speak eloquently... and have said as much... it was an off the cuff remark on somthing she had probably never articulated before...

But many piled on her for being STUPID, not for making a factualy correct inelegant statement....

And lumped those of us with a different viewpoint, as Living in 'some other Reality'...

Oh... and for the record, I am NOT a Palin Supporter... I like her views but do not believe she is electable because her voice and delivery GRATES on many in the electorate... myself included...

287 Everybody here knows what I think of Sarah Palin. I've made a decision to mellow out on the "heat" of my rhetoric from now on, but it's no secret.

And even I immediately understood this as a transparent "misspeaking" gaffe that didn't reflect even the slightest bit on her intelligence.  Of COURSE she knows what happened on Paul Revere's ride.  This is completely stupid media "gotcha" bullshit, her gaffe is absolutely identical to Obama's "57 states" error, and any other interpretation (either way) is tendentious BS.  C'mon now, there are so many other good reasons to oppose Sarah Palin as a presidential candidate, and the media is fixating on THIS?

P.S.  Once again, this thread proves that Palin's supporters are often her worst enemy.  Dear god, you guys need to stop being so obstreperous.

288 Where the heck are these reality-based communities that I keep hearing about? Are they paying their fair share?

289 Sarah Palin is flesh and blood.  She's a mother of five kids  and a grandmother, too.

I dunno about the rest of you, but when I look at a media scrum around Palin, I see a gal who's spent  a lifetime doing realtime multi-tasking:  Brothers and sisters, mom and dad, kids pulling at her begging for something, while she's  talking to a friend/constituent on the phone, husband asking 'what's for dinner - did you buy the beer?'  All of that, all the time.

Those of you who did not grow up in large families or within driving range of kith and kin might not grasp the type of personality of a woman living in the eye of daily organized chaos.

She wants to give a bit to everyone, what comes out is quintessential American mom. 

290 296

Or, she was still assimilating new knowledge into her worldview... and had not enunciated that thought before... so was looking for words while not really paying attention...

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 07, 2011 01:39 PM (NtXW4)

Occam's razor<<CJ

Fuckin' A right, Occam's goddamn razor, which suggests exactly what Romeo was saying.

Christ on a crutch.  I have never seen so many people so dedicated to tearing down a public figure they theoretically agree with around the margins, to the point of declaring, "She CAAAAN'T be right, and if she is, she's really wrong, because she's too stupid to know what she meant!"  It's like I stumbled into a Peggy Noonan/David Brooks/Chris Buckley* slumber party and you're already down to making s'mores and talking about that slutty Palin girl in 6th period.

_{*I'd have included that other chick, the Katherine or Kathleen person, but I can't remember her name.}

291

What we should be pointing out is what, I think ace, mentioned above.

 -If she was trying to make the point her supporters insist we concede that she was making, she failed to do so cogently. 

-If  she was making this point because she was just reminded of its veracity on a recent visit to a Historical site, how could she get it so awfully wrong in the retelling?

Why, yes,  yes, of course. What a good idea.  Unlike NPR which just goes around blaring the fact that she's right all day. We should be criticizing her endlessly and finding fault with everything she says, every mannerism and the way she speaks and sowing disagreement among conservative ranks.

292 Read David Hackett Fischer's book if your confused. I finished it about 3 months ago, when I first heard her quote, I knew exactly what she was talking about, no need for "clarification".

293

Lincoln cut his teeth in the Lincoln-Douglas debates about slavery.  Reagan delivered some amazing speeches going back to the 1964 Presidential election and articulated his ideas successfully as a two-term governor of California.

Posted by: robviously at June 07, 2011 01:55 PM (H9eC4) 

And yet, after all that teeth-cutting, Lincoln couldn't really wow the crowd, could he?

Now...what makes you think speechmaking or rhetoric in general is indicative of intellect?

I know geniuses.  True actual geniuses.  You know how articulate they are? Not at all.

You know who is articulate?  Actors.

Like Alec Baldwin.  And Matt Damon (MATT DAMON!).

The two skills are completely independent.

And we aren't talking about a speech here, we're talking about extemporaneous speaking. Unfortunately, we don't have a lot of ways to measure these things.

294 Posted by: robviously at June 07, 2011 01:55 PM (H9eC4)

Washington was also the leading colonial military figure coming out of the French and Indian War and a leading businessman and farmer in Virginia.

295 Even Reagan's intellect was derided, even by the Right. In fact, there was no vindication for him until his letters were published.

Posted by: AmishDude at June 07, 2011 01:51 PM (T0NGe)

True, but the Palin-Reagan comparisons are just too weak. Reagan was writing and delivering speeches for decades before being elected president.

Somewhate related...video of Reagan at Yale in 1967 where he gave regular talks. (Video of him between talks.) More than a decade before running for president.
http://tinyurl.com/3leqhys

 

296

Lincoln cut his teeth in the Lincoln-Douglas debates about slavery.  Reagan delivered some amazing speeches going back to the 1964 Presidential election and articulated his ideas successfully as a two-term governor of California.

Posted by: robviously at June 07, 2011 01:55 PM (H9eC4)

 

You need to go back and do some serious research about the elections of both these men.  Both were mercilessly vilified, especially by the northeastern press (sound familiar?) during every prospective election. 

297 297 291 Which would be fine if it made sense.  Paul Revere's ride wasn't about warning the British.  He rode to warn the Americans about the British and then told the British to back off once he'd been captured.  Her quote just smushes it all together into one thing and it doesn't work.<<<

You're wrong.  That's ok, it happens.

Posted by: Kerry at June 07, 2011 01:54 PM (a/VXa)

I like the "Shut up!" argument you're using here.  Persuasive.<<

I wouldn't bother trying to persuade you, you've got such a nice, solid grasp of your worldview you are quite impervious to fact.

298 How in god's name did a post Ace wrote specifically to defend Palin turn into another thread with people claiming that he (and the cob-loggers) are too hard on her?  HOW CAN THIS BE HAPPENING AGAIN?

299 See what happens when they take away the Weiner?

300 True, but the Palin-Reagan comparisons are just too weak. Reagan was writing and delivering speeches for decades before being elected president.

Who cares about speeches?  Really?  Do you actually know what constitutes intellect?

I'm not making the comparison myself, but any drooling imbecile who can't tie his own shoes can speechify. That's why "rhetoric" has such a negative connotation.

301 #317 It's not the post, but probably Ace's and Drew's comments in the thread.

302 Posted by: Soona at June 07, 2011 02:04 PM (LDIop)

Yeah, Lincoln's Cooper Union address was really dismissed by those damn north-easterners.

303 318See what happens when they take away the Weiner?

Posted by: Dave at June 07, 2011 02:06 PM (Xm1aB)

Thread Winner!

304 317 How in god's name did a post Ace wrote specifically to defend Palin turn into another thread with people claiming that he (and the cob-loggers) are too hard on her? HOW CAN THIS BE HAPPENING AGAIN?

Posted by: Jeff B. at June 07, 2011 02:05 PM (hIWe1)

It is a surprise to you for the same reason that a fish does not know it is wet.

305

Good Lord....Why do some many of you believe that Sarah Palin can Win? I don't gt it? I like Sarah Palin, but she is not going to be the President.

She has no chance.....

306 His own home state -- allegedly (but I kid) -- is immortalized in a television program called Hawaii Five-O, the Five-O noting that Hawaii is the fiftieth state.

Whoa.  I never made that connection.

Book em, Dano.

307 >>I wouldn't bother trying to persuade you, you've got such a nice, solid grasp of your worldview you are quite impervious to fact. Here's a fact. Palin has negative ratings that are off the charts among the electorate at large and is growing in the Republican ranks. She is immensely popular with certain members of the base, not so much with others. She has done something to earn that negativity. Not everyone who doesn't like Palin the candidate doesn't like Palin the person. Here's another fact. If any other Republican candidate had responded as Palin did her fans would be tearing that candidate to pieces.

308

Posted by: jeannebodine at June 07, 2011 02:01 PM (nvlAW)

 

I'm beginning to think that Obama isn't the only one who thinks that it is still 2008. 

The PALINISTA crowd seem to believe that as well...

The answer to those questions is simple.  She tripped over her tongue. 

 

 But keep on comparing her to the 'Great Communicator'. 

You must be right. Simply. Must. Be.

309 >>>It's not the post, but probably Ace's and Drew's comments in the thread.

But their comments are completely 100% correct.  The fervor of Palin's defenders in insisting that no, she didn't make an error at all, she was just playing National History Educator, is embarrassing.  My god, it puts in the mind of the Krazy Kos Kiddies who kept looking for reason after reason to explain Weiner's behavior right up until the point he spilled his guts.

She fucked up.  She misspoke.  It isn't a reflection on her intelligence, it's just a silly speech error of the sort that people all the time, every day.  The insistence of some that Palin was right on a technicality and that therefore that's clearly what she meant to say all along is...just plain weird.

310 316 297 291 Which would be fine if it made sense.  Paul Revere's ride wasn't about warning the British.  He rode to warn the Americans about the British and then told the British to back off once he'd been captured.  Her quote just smushes it all together into one thing and it doesn't work.<<<

You're wrong.  That's ok, it happens.

Posted by: Kerry at June 07, 2011 01:54 PM (a/VXa)

I like the "Shut up!" argument you're using here.  Persuasive.<<

I wouldn't bother trying to persuade you, you've got such a nice, solid grasp of your worldview you are quite impervious to fact.

Posted by: Kerry at June 07, 2011 02:05 PM (a/VXa)

Yes, my worldview is clearly the problem here.  Not the fact that your arguments are nothing but ad hominem attacks so far.

311

I'm glad to see O's mis-speak posted again. But, probably not for the same reason as most.

What I find interesting is how it has been repeatedly carachterized as "stupid".

Don't get me wrong - I despise this man's politics! But, I think this clip shows something different than how it's been interpreted - even here.

As I see it:   He says 57 states and 1 to go... and then explains why he is NOT counting/visiting Alaska and Hawaii. So that people understand why his counting of states visited and yet to visit ended on an "8" and not a "0".

My use of Occam's Razor ( and the benefit of doubt ) has me take it he was just campaign road weary and mis-spoke.

I think some of us are too eager to jump on things like this and we see it as worse than it really is because it looks like it helps our cause. I think it only helps us when it's used as: "Look, see? Even the One can mis-speak too!" Instead of taking the position that he doesn't know how many states there are in the Union. I think it makes us less than genuine to play it as he's ignorant.

First post here. Big fan of Ace and many of the contributers here.

A daily Must Read site.

-Dad

312

This post is damaging to......ACE.  I will forgive his brainfart because of his contribution to bringing down Weiner.....and..... my assumption that readers of this blog are overwhelmingly made up of junkies that read many other blogs, as I do, and know that Palin was correct and just "messing with the force".  

 

  

313

"He who warned the British that they weren't gonna be taking away our arms ...."

He did do that did he not?  She didn't say he warned the British that the rebels were coming. 

She specifically implied that he warned the British that they were going to fail in their mission to take away the colonists arms.

I've never seen someone make such an accurate mistake.

Ooops.... now I defended Sarah.  I'm a mindless Palinbot.  Who doesn't want her to run for president.

314

Why, yes,  yes, of course. What a good idea.  Unlike NPR which just goes around blaring the fact that she's right all day. We should be criticizing her endlessly and finding fault with everything she says, every mannerism and the way she speaks and sowing disagreement among conservative ranks.

Posted by: jeannebodine at June 07, 2011 02:01 PM (nvlAW)

Heh, facts just don't matter to some people. Palin is wrong, she's an idiot!!!!! I don't give damn what the facts are!!!

315 Who said Palin can win or that we would ever want her to run? You assume that anyone who defends her is a Palinista.

316 #328 Like I said, it was their comments, not necessarily the post. Your opinion that those comments are 100% correct is just that, an opinion.

317 Here's the deal: If you don't want Palin to run for president and your super-brilliant idea is to run her down at every turn and insult her for not going to the bestest schools (which many people take personally, because you are insulting their intellect as well) then do not be the least bit surprised when it happens to your guy.

Of course, they won't make it impossible for your guy to actually live his life without vicious, threatening and incessant stalking and that there was no way that he or his family would ever be left alone. But there you go.

318 314

Lincoln cut his teeth in the Lincoln-Douglas debates about slavery.  Reagan delivered some amazing speeches going back to the 1964 Presidential election and articulated his ideas successfully as a two-term governor of California.

Posted by: robviously at June 07, 2011 01:55 PM (H9eC4)

You need to go back and do some serious research about the elections of both these men.  Both were mercilessly vilified, especially by the northeastern press (sound familiar?) during every prospective election. 

Posted by: Soona at June 07, 2011 02:04 PM (LDIop)

Wait, wait, wait -- you mean both men had political enemies who vilified them??  Shocking.  Next you're going to tell me that other political figures from other eras were also vilified by their enemies. 

319 Because he didn't insist on the facts, just perceptions of same, now she got the facts right, and she sent out the right message, that no matter how hard they try, the Tea Party message will get through. That was the real point, of the exercise.

Now when Obama runs ads blaming Romney for labor strife, at a company his firm had already sold off, or TPaw and/or Bachmann, are caught up in the pardon scandal for a convicted drug smuggler, and future embezzler, I'm sure you will say
that's unfair, and we will laugh at you,

320

Amish...I agree with most of your post, but:

No competition from bright American students. Let's face it, the electrical engineers, mathematicians and nuclear physicists are out of the pool that applies to law school.

Nobody flunks out of law school. Unlike mathematics or science or engineering, there's very little that a law school student can do to wash out of the program if he still pays tuition. Once you get accepted, they print your diploma.

I went to law school with many engineers and physicians. In my class of 150, there were at least 4 medical doctors and numerous engineers. Additionally. There are still many law schools where 1/3 of the entering class is gone at the end of the first year.  That being said....I do not think Obama is bright. I do not think that he can teach from knowledge. Much like his speeach giving is from a teleprompter, his teaching is from a pre-designed syllybus. Though I do know people who were in his classes and for some reason LOVE the idiot. maybe the class was easy peasy and that is why they liked it. I have met smart people of all educational persuassions....and dumb ones too.

321 She fucked up.  She misspoke.  It isn't a reflection on her intelligence, it's just a silly speech error of the sort that people all the time, every day.  The insistence of some that Palin was right on a technicality and that therefore that's clearly what she meant to say all along is...just plain weird.

Posted by: Jeff B. at June 07, 2011 02:10 PM (hIWe1)

You are fucking wrong and it's not a reflection on your intelligence it's a reflection on your hate for Palin.

There are 3 revolutionary war historians that have said she was right on the air and in newspapers. Somehow you know better? I don't think so.

322 337 Here's the deal: If you don't want Palin to run for president and your super-brilliant idea is to run her down at every turn and insult her for not going to the bestest schools (which many people take personally, because you are insulting their intellect as well) then do not be the least bit surprised when it happens to your guy.

Of course, they won't make it impossible for your guy to actually live his life without vicious, threatening and incessant stalking and that there was no way that he or his family would ever be left alone. But there you go.

Posted by: AmishDude at June 07, 2011 02:11 PM (T0NGe)

Who in this thread is talking about which schools she attended?

323 The insistence of some that Palin was right on a technicality and that therefore that's clearly what she meant to say all along is...just plain weird.

Wait!

Being right is a technicality these days????

Why...that's just obstreperous!!!

324 "Instead of saying 'Paul Revere warned the colonists about the British,' her brain skipped ahead to the last part of the sentence, and thus said 'Paul Revere warned the British.'" But she actually said something like: "He who warned, uh, the British that they werenÂ’t going to be taking away our arms uh by ringing those bells " So is the claim of the flub theorists that she meant to say that he warned the colonists that they weren't going to be taking away their own arms? The idea of transposing British and colonists in the actual context of the quote doesn't make sense. And the absence of actually stating the alleged flub in proper context, and the over the top anger about people with a different opinion on what was in her mind-- now that's annoying. I think she struggled for words, but after struggling, actually got the words she intended and got it right because she was right. Too simple to be believable, I know.

325 ace at June 07, 2011 01:20 PM

Ace, here is the evidence:

 -- She spoke in mangled syntax.

 -- She was factually correct.

By this evidence, IMO it is perfectly reasonable to assume that she didn't know the facts; but here's the deal: neither you nor I know what she knew, so simply asserting that she didn't know, without any acknowledgment that she was correct, is BS.

You don't say "she's right, but probably by accident," you merely say "she's wrong". Sounds suspiciously like you are trying to lead the jury to the "correct" opinion by leaving out pertinent facts.

What gives with you and Palin? Did she kill your dog or something?

BTW, I do not necessarily support her for president. She may be too flaky, but policy-wise she is the real deal. I'll wait and see.

326 Remember when Palin, while speaking to a Tea Party assembly, said it's time to "party like it's 1773".

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

That was stupid and she's stupid and the Tea Partiers are stupid...because the revolution didn't start until 1776.






wut?

327

Why...that's just obstreperous!!!

I believe that's Obstrepertary. You're welcome.

328 Wait!

Being right is a technicality these days????

Why...that's just obstreperous!!!

Posted by: beedubya at June 07, 2011 02:14 PM (AnTyA)

Heh, we don't want our politicians being right. We just want them to agree with our ignorance of history.

329 1773 all over again. Way to go Palin. Except the MFM will NEVER correct thier original stories portraying her as dumb.

330

Christ on a crutch.  I have never seen so many people so dedicated to tearing down a public figure they theoretically agree with around the margins,

I'm not going to go that far Kerry. Conservatives are just exhausted from having to defend her at every turn. She's just not worth it. Sorry, but winning the greater battle vs. socialism is more important than embracing Palin because liberals treat her so unfairly. We did that with W. No more. No one politician is bigger than the cause.

I was blown away by Palin's convention speech in 2008, and disappointed ever since. I was projecting my political hopes onto her, wanting her to be something she wasn't.  It was great while it lasted, but it's over.

At least for now. She needs to spend some time not being a reality TV celebrity.Maybe run for Senator or something. Then, who knows...

331 As soon as I watched the clip the other day, this entire episode played itself out in my mind. That she was right, that people would claim she was wrong with great fanfare, and that "experts" would ultimately exonerate her to the sound of crickets. A lifetime of Freedom Trail walks, Boy Scout/Church/School trips to the Old North Church, Old Ironsides, Bunker Hill, etc. have left the stories (often conveyed by costumed docents) deeply embedded. His encounter with/capture by the Brits was ALWAYS mentioned, as was his bold declaration, warning, whatever you want to call it.

332 310 Simple rule of politics: Any statement that needs days to be explained and/or verified is one you probably should not make.<<

She didn't need to explain it to me, I grasped it at once.  So...who's the standard for this entirely delightful rule?  The dumbest person in the potential audience?  We'd certainly hear a lot less from our politicians, period.

333

Why, yes, yes, of course. What a good idea. Unlike NPR which just goes around blaring the fact that she's right all day. We should be criticizing her endlessly and finding fault with everything she says, every mannerism and the way she speaks and sowing disagreement among conservative ranks.

Or instead of agreeing upon the obvious and criticising the media for making a mountain out of a molehill, we can pretend there is no molehill at all and that she never, ever makes the mistake of giving a poorly phrased answer to a spontaneous question.

No one here is suggesting that she didn't know that Revere's main purpose was to warn the colonists, even if the MSM unfairly tries to spin it that way.  That there was a story at all, however, is due to the poorly worded answer on her part, and one that was kept in the news by her attempts to spin her way out of it.

A simple clarification that made the same point she was trying to make, and this all would've gone away.  Instead, Mrs. Drama Queen and her supporters take it a step further and argue that there was nothing whatsoever wrong with what she said or how she said it.

What should've been a criticism of the MSM for their double-standard when it comes to minor gaffes by Republicans (the main point of Ace's post) then becomes... well, what we have in this thread now.

334

If your knowledge comes from a wadsworth poem you may not be as smart as a 5th grader.

revere did get caught and told the british that the people were up in arms.

perhaps in the hope they would go back, but defiantly none the less with the prospect of being hanged in the offing

As the great Antony Weiner maybe once said

Giggedy Giggedy Goo

335 Posted by: robtr at June 07, 2011 02:17 PM (MtwBb)

hey, man...sorry to bug...but I have another repair question for you. Know anything about electronic appliances??

I have an over-the-stove mounted and vented 1000 watt microwave that just quit..period...nada, and it's just over a year old...which of course makes it out of warranty.

Nothing is working. I pulled it down and did reisstance tests on both the fuse and the HV capacitor, and they're both good. Then I got to thinking that at least the light should come on despite any problems with the elctronics.

to be honest...i don't know enough to follow the schematics

Could it be a door switch issue, maybe??

336 Yes, my worldview is clearly the problem here.  Not the fact that your arguments are nothing but ad hominem attacks so far.<<

What's ad hominem about telling you your interpretation of what she said is wrong?  Just offering my opinion.  Just as you are.

337

Geeez....this just sucks! We have 18 months till the election, and we aren't even going make it.

At this rate.....We are all going to  end up voting for a third party candidate, becuase we don't what the other Conservatives guy to win.

The Democrats are gigleing all the way to bank!

338 Letter to Dr. Belknap, Page 4:

"I observed a Wood at a Small distance, & made for that. When I got there, out Started Six officers, on Horse back, and orderd me to dismount;-one of them, who appeared to have the command, examined me, where I came from, & what my Name Was? I told him. it was Revere, he as-ked if it was Paul? I told him yes He asked me if I was an express? I answered in the afirmative. He demanded what time I left Boston? I told him; and aded, that their troops had catched aground in passing the River,
and that There would be five hundred Americans there in a short time, for I had alarmed the Country all the way up. He imediately rode towards those who stoppd us, when all five of them came down upon a full gallop; one of them, whom I afterwards found to be Major Mitchel, of the 5th Regiment, Clapped his pistol to my head, called me by name, & told me he was going to ask me some questions, & if I did not give him true answers, he would blow my brains out. He then asked me similar questions to those above. He then orderd me to mount my Horse, after searching me for arms. He then orderd them to advance, & to lead me in front."

339

Who cares about speeches?  Really?  Do you actually know what constitutes intellect?

Er, demonstrating mental ability and knowledge? You need that to write a speech designed to persuade. Reagan did it for decades. When is the last time Palin ever tried to persuade someone, as opposed to playing her string of medleys diehard fans?

340 The question is - why did Revere put together this messaging network for that morning? What was his and the colonists intention? Sure Revere and the other riders made their way that morning alerting the towns of the British regulars. But why? What was the point? Obviously to muster the militias. The question everyone should ask themselves, is why muster the militias, what is the message Revere and the colonists are trying to send there? To me, it's quite obvious, it was to warn off the British and to let them know that seizing powder stores was not going to be tolerated (as they had done prior to that morning). They certainly were not looking to start a war. I think that's why people who understand the history of Paul Revere's ride immediately knew what she was talking about, and the people who did not know the history, jumped quickly to whatever side of the aisle they are on Palin, and took it from there. That being said - Allen West for president!!!!

341

I'm sure you'd be saying exactly the same thing about George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, Ronald Reagan, etc., if you lived in their time.  I haven't been convinced by anything you've written that you even understand what leadership is. 

Posted by: Soona at June 07, 2011 01:37 PM (LDIop) 

Now we've reached my favorite part of the "debate", when the Palinistas fight back by insinuating that not only is a Palin critic not an authenticate conservative at the moment, but that there is no point in time in our nation's history that the critic would represent American or conservative values.

Admit it, Drew.  Your hatred of Palin is clearly based upon your hatred of America. 

342 What should've been a criticism of the MSM for their double-standard when it comes to minor gaffes by Republicans (the main point of Ace's post) then becomes... well, what we have in this thread now.

I think a minor gaff by Obama was also part of Ace's post, IIRC.

Just thought I'd point that out in case you forgot.

343

Geeez....this just sucks! We have 18 months till the election, and we aren't even going make it.

We'll be cool once Palin says she's not running. Which she's not. She has no operation. She faces a 37% disapproval rating in her own party. She can't win. Not now anyway. Maybe later.

344 I think that's why people who understand the history of Paul Revere's ride immediately knew what she was talking about,

Yeah...but, isn't being right just a technicality??

...because the media tells us she's so stupid that even though she's right...she's has to be wrong...just because??

345

Ace, how can you hate this whole stupid Paul Revere thing when you apparently have not yet been exposed to the most basic facts of the story? You've been busy we know, but... let me fill you in: Palin DID mean to say that Revere warned the British (that their butts were about to be kicked), and she was RIGHT. It is part of Paul Revere's own account. While he was out rousing the countryside he got cornered by some Brits and told them it was too late, the troops they were sending to disarm Lexington and Concord were already going to meet massed resistance.

Apparently I am one of the few people who knew that before Palin said it, maybe because I grew up in Lexington. I remember being stunned to hear that he had such a loud mouth. Isn't it normal practice in war to not volunteer information? We weren't at war yet, but still. Come on Revere.

The only SLIGHT innacuracy in Palin's account was to say that Revere had rung bells and shot guns in the air, when it was actually the people he warned that rang bells and shot guns in the air, but that wasn't a mistake, it was just attributing the raising of the alarm to Revere, as is common historical shorthand, when everyone knows that the raising of the alarm involved LOTS of people. (Otherwise Revere would have failed to raise the alarm.)

So really, there was nothing wrong with Sarah's statement at all. Nice defense, Ace, excusing her for a simple mis-speak, but she didn't mis-speak. You are way off base. Go back to Weinergate for the afternoon. Your mind is obviously not ready to move on yet.

346 Alec, just wait until she mentions "Breeds Hill". Heads will explode.

347 350

Christ on a crutch.  I have never seen so many people so dedicated to tearing down a public figure they theoretically agree with around the margins,

I'm not going to go that far Kerry. Conservatives are just exhausted from having to defend her at every turn. She's just not worth it. Sorry, but winning the greater battle vs. socialism is more important than embracing Palin because liberals treat her so unfairly. We did that with W. No more. No one politician is bigger than the cause.

I was blown away by Palin's convention speech in 2008, and disappointed ever since. I was projecting my political hopes onto her, wanting her to be something she wasn't.  It was great while it lasted, but it's over.

At least for now. She needs to spend some time not being a reality TV celebrity.Maybe run for Senator or something. Then, who knows...<<<

I realize one's stamina may vary.  I projected nothing on her, but I extended to her the same courtesy I extended to Obama:  I listened to their speeches and took both of them quite literally.  Obama has done nothing in fact he didn't promise beforehand.  He indicated numerous times that he thought American standards of living were too high, and that we weren't paying enough for energy; therefore, I am not surprised that he deliberately crashed the economy and drove fuel prices up out of sight.  Conversely, Palin has principles I happen to share, therefore, it doesn't weary me to defend them. I don't give a damn what liberals say about her, since I know the poisoned well from which they draw their vitriol.  What I cannot understand is the "conservative" who attacks her because she's not acceptable to the squishy middle, or for a host of rather stupid secondary reasons (her voice is teh screechy!  she's too folksy!  she winked at the podium!  horrors!).

Please understand, I want her to run because I want her to lay out her policies, then I can judge whether I can support her in the larger battle.  I want everyone to run that has a mind to; I like choice.  But I will not desist from defending her or anyone else from wrongheaded attacks based on nothing more than personal animosity or attachment to some other political figure.  I don't attack Giuliani because I want to promote Palin; if you would have peace, do her the same courtesy.

348 Eh,  Palin mangled her Revere statement.  She was right on the facts, though.  She ought to use plain, simple language to get her point across.  My advice?  Be concise, Sarah Palin, use simple words like "death panels".

349 One if by Breach, Two if By C-Section!

350 Posted by: Alec Rawls at June 07, 2011 02:28 PM (kTTUz)

...but...but...she's from Alaska...and she talks funny...and and.....Tina Fey said that she said that she could see Russia from her house...

...and FUCK IT ALL....Davids Frum and Brooks hate her

351

Are we really arguing over a clip from TPM of all places?    A clip, obviously, that was taken out of context?   TPM?   Really?

What was the damn question?   What did she say before the clip in question?    What did she say after the clip in question?

Oh, and when the time comes that TPM or some other shit blog clips remarks from other candidates or potential candidates, I don't want to see any of their supporters try to explain what was said or meant.   I don't want to see any of their supporters try to defend whatthefuck happened.   Because, you know what?   It's going to happen.   The left is going to twist and mangle whatever the fuck they can to try to make all the Republican candidates look like liars or idiots.

Oh, and don't blast those who don't support those candidates when they mock them for their stoopid ass clipped remarks, flubs or when those candidates deny they made a mistake, and were right in their initial remarks.

Just remember, folks, your time is coming.   That's what the left & some on the right (you know who you are) does, and if you want to perpetuate their bullshit, get ready for when it pops you in the face.

I'm not defending or trying to explain anything in this stupid ass, bullshit, nothing story, but please you all go right ahead.   For those of you piling on against her, have at it.   Just remeber this when it happens to your preferred candidate.   I will be watching with amusement.

352 I think it's quite obvious that there wouldn't even be a Paul Revere if not for Sarah Palin.

353 Alec, just wait until she mentions "Breeds Hill". Heads will explode.

Posted by: Lincolntf at June 07, 2011 02:32 PM (Z05lF)

...but...but...that's only where the battle was actually fought...so that means she would only be right...ON A TECHNICALITY!!!!!

354 breaking news:  tiger woods will miss the US Open.

355 Technically Weiner was hacked.. by Anthony Weiner.

356 Apparently I am one of the few people who knew that before Palin said it, maybe because I grew up in Lexington.

....or maybe paid attention during 3rd grade history class and not picked lint out of your navel.

Forgive me, but I actually was under the impression that most really were aware of this "technicality"

357

Here's another fact. If any other Republican candidate had responded as Palin did her fans would be tearing that candidate to pieces.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 07, 2011 02:09 PM (TMB3S)

Bank on it.  If this was something Romney had said?  Please.  The'd be chortling about it endlessly.  Months from now, when the primaries happened, they'd be laughing their asses off about how "Mittens" didn't know his history.

I was blown away by Palin's convention speech in 2008, and disappointed ever since. I was projecting my political hopes onto her, wanting her to be something she wasn't.  It was great while it lasted, but it's over.

Posted by: CJ at June 07, 2011 02:18 PM (9KqcB)

This.  I have a rep over at Hotair (probably not so much here, I don't post in the comment threads as much) as one of the "anti-Palin brigade", but the hard truth is, in 2008, I WAS a Palinista.  I was excited about her, wasn't thrilled with McCain, and in fact grew increasingly morose and morbid as I watched him fucking throw the election away.  But I loved Palin then.

Except she just didn't turn out to be who I thought she was.  It happens, I mean, they're politicians - they're going to disappoint you more often than most people would.  I don't dislike or hate her, but I think she's terribly flawed and would be a very poor choice to run for president (at least in 2012).  It's not so much her that I have issues with, so much as it is followers.

358 Some excerpts from David Hackett Fisher

359

 The insistence of some that Palin was right on a technicality

What the fuck technicality?!?

Revere warned the british, they rung bells and shot guns to muster the colonists and alert the British that they were prepared for armed resistance and they should just leave.

Guy gets charged on raping a girl at 11:30PM in New Jersey.

He's on tape taking cash out of the ATM at 11:29PM in Boston.

He got off on a technicality.

360 But she actually said something like:

"He who warned, uh, the British that they werenÂ’t going to be taking away our arms uh by ringing those bells "

So is the claim of the flub theorists that she meant to say that he warned the colonists that they weren't going to be taking away their own arms? The idea of transposing British and colonists in the actual context of the quote doesn't make sense.

It's quite morbidly fascinating.

361

And her original point was a tie in to the 2nd Amendment. How many times has that been mentioned so far today Out of 371 posts, that tie in has been noted about 3 times. So, even among the really smart people, it was clearly lost. Thus, the rule stands.

The rule stands... in it's new location. The goalposts have been relocated. But the conclusion of course, remains always accurate.

Now she 'flubbed', 'mispoke' because she wasn't effective and convincing enough.

Why can't Sarah Palin just admit that she sucks?

362

Let's not forget that Uberscholar Barry also had an uncle liberating Auschwitz, even though his mother didn't have any siblings, and Auschwitz was liberated by the Russkies. (OK, he did have a great-uncle over there, doing something).

But a better comparison is to Joe Biden. My step-great neice is all spun up about how this woman "could have been VP". She is apparently completely ignorant about the VP who actually won. Didn't he have a screw-up just about every time he opened his mouth?

363 First, this is not a flame about Sarah Palin and is not directed at anyone here at the blog. The topic of Palin does seem to bring out heated emotions from liberals but also conservatives. There seems to be little middle ground -- from 0 to Love or Hate in under 6 seconds.

It has puzzled me all along and I still see no clear answer as to why this is so. Krauthammer and George Will, men I admire even when I occasionally disagree with their views, have one of the strangest reactions to Palin that I've ever witnessed. It is gut level with little attempt to conceal a downright distaste for her.

If they know something concrete about her character that makes them this way, some hidden thing that maybe the rest of us outside of The Beltway do not know about, how about sharing it with us so we can judge for ourselves? Did she star in a porn movie in college or something?  Did she steal money out Salvation Army pots at Christmas? Do you know for a fact her IQ is actually very low but she's a great actress?  Does her head spin around on her neck now and then while she screams "DEATH TO THE INFIDELS!!!" ? I just wanna know. Educate me.

Because otherwise I might be prone to draw the conclusion that they hate her because 1) she's shot more moose than they have; 2) she's actually had business experience; 3) she's too darn proud and consistent with her conservative values.

I have a dirty little secret I want to share. Do you know why Carter won in 1976 and then Reagan in 1980? Nixon called it the "Silent Majority" (no attempt to extol Nixon should be taken) but others call it the "enthusiasm gap". Fewer and fewer conservatives bothered to vote because the choices became bland -- Frick and Frack without the zing.

Reagan changed all that. Why? He was a constant quantity -- he had changed little politically since the Goldwater years but he had gotten better at delivering the message. They called him "The Great Communicator". He didn't dumb-down the message, he spoke plainly and clearly but he did not act embarrassed about his beliefs, he did not try to couch terms to avoid offending liberal darlings, he did not wince when he spoke about the world of reality.

He ignited a sea change. You have to remember this was before Rush Limbaugh -- Limbaugh's first radio broadcast in his current incarnation did not occur until 1988.

Enthusiasm. Finally, someone had come along who shared their views -- and a reminder that Nixon's "Silent Majority" did exist and that the biggest problem with liberals -- a sentiment many here share -- is that "they know so many things that just aren't true."

I read pundits claim that what we need now is someone who is NOT exciting, that "people" are hungering for vanilla. Raise campaign money on that sentiment. Get voters to lose four or more hours just to stand in line and vote. Let me know the results.

Or, we can go back to those days when conservatives sort of ducked, and acted embarrassed, overflowing with "oh, did I offend?", because we don't want our liberal friends to suspect we're dead-in-the-head Reaganites or Palindrones.

70 trillion of unfunded debt later ... and counting ... we are the red-headed stepchildren of politics.

But maybe Mitt has the winning forumula. I hope so. Because another 4 of Obama and you can stick a fork in this Late Great USA. It may already be too late.

364 to be honest...i don't know enough to follow the schematics

Could it be a door switch issue, maybe??

Posted by: beedubya at June 07, 2011 02:22 PM (AnTyA)

No not really, I would just be guessing at the same things you are and if I knew what was wrong with it it would just be a technicality.

Did you check the power supply? It sounds like you may have blown a fuse.

365 Isn't fifty a rather easy number to remember? His own home state -- allegedly (but I kid) -- is immortalized in a television program called Hawaii Five-O, the Five-O noting that Hawaii is the fiftieth state.

-Ace

I thought that was wrong, but it appears the term '5-O', slang for police, comes from Hawaii 5-O's name.

Not only did I learn something about Paul Revere, I learned something about slang. This qualifies my status as a well-rounded individual.

366 The “One Nation Tour” is part of our new campaign to educate and energize Americans about our nation’s founding principles, in order to promote the Fundamental Restoration of America.

Before the bus tour how many Americans remembered the full account of Paul RevereÂ’s ride?

367

And like it or not, yes, politics involves a certain ability to make a concise, clear and perfectly understandable point in twenty seconds. On that measure, her statement fails.

 

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life and Killer of Polar Bears at June 07, 2011 02:47 PM (OWjjx)

Jesus fucking christ. Now being right isn't enough, she has to explain an offhanded comment in a serving line so a 5 year old can understand it?

Ok fine, we going to treat all of our candidates this way. Parse every fucking word because they didn't say it the way that retards can understand it?

Just admit it. She could spell it out on one of Glenn Becks chalkboards and you would find something wrong with it.

 

368

And her original point was a tie in to the 2nd Amendment. How many times has that been mentioned so far today Out of 371 posts, that tie in has been noted about 3 times. So, even among the really smart people, it was clearly lost. Thus, the rule stands.<<<Mallamutt

That's peculiar fact to cite from your side, considering that none of the critics (that's you guys) care to point it out, since it reinforces the idea that she had a friggin' point and knew what she was talking about.  So, uh, thanks.

>>As noted, politics is a medium of mass consumption. If the original point (the need to preserve the second amendment, the importance of  the second amendment) is lost over quibbling of historical accuracy or inaccuracy, then was it an effective point? Clearly not.

And like it or not, yes, politics involves a certain ability to make a concise, clear and perfectly understandable point in twenty seconds. On that measure, her statement fails.<<

Like Robviously, you're simply wrong here.  But again, it's ok--it happens to all of us sometime.

369

Here is what happened with Palin. She was correct, it was an offhanded remark in a serving line at a cafeteria.

The people bitching about it were ignorant of the history and only knew of Paul Revere from a poem. Now they are being dickwads because they are embarrassed about ther ignorance of history.

370 I like Palin, but seeing this thread confirms that she cannot be elected President. I don't think she wants to do that anyways, and I also think she if far, far more valuable to act as a check on RINOs and establishment Republicans to respect the tea Party. This is far more vital than people imagine. Politicians get elected every day and then morph into Washington types...we need an outside force, like a third party, but not, to hold their feet to the flames. This is more important than the presidency, if you ask me.

371 Except Sarah. Cause we are not smart enough to understand her.  My bad.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life and Killer of Polar Bears at June 07, 2011 03:07 PM (OWjjx)

I personally don't give a shit whether she runs for president or goes fishing.

I do get damn tired of people first claiming she's wrong, then claiming she's right but didn't mean to be and then claiming she's right but didn't explain it well enough while getting her food in a serving line.

You can do all the mindreading and wishcasting you want with that.

The fact remains she was right, the facts support what she said. I don't understand you guys I really don't get it.

372 I will not desist from defending her or anyone else from wrongheaded attacks based on nothing more than personal animosity or attachment to some other political figure.  I don't attack Giuliani because I want to promote Palin; if you would have peace, do her the same courtesy.

Posted by: Kerry at June 07, 2011 02:33 PM (a/VXa)

That's fine. I don't attack Palin, nor mindlessly champion her. This Revere thing seems to be another OMG!! PALIN!! MSM half-assed hit job. The media's disdain for her is established.

But don't kid yourself into thinking that any criticism of her is "nothing more than personal animosity or attachment to some other political figure." There are other possibilities. Such as: She is clearly not running for office (or clearly can't win at this point), but is still requiring our time and efforts.

373 Except Sarah. Cause we are not smart enough to understand her.  My bad.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life and Killer of Polar Bears at June 07, 2011 03:07 PM (OWjjx)

Speaking of which that's what you are saying isn't it. Either you misunderstanding of history or the way she said it you didn't understand it. Instead of doing some research on something you didn't understand you blamed her for your problem with it.

That's what we're talking about here isn't it?

374 >>>I thought that was wrong, but it appears the term '5-O', slang for police, comes from Hawaii 5-O's name. Right, five-oh means cops now, but that's because of the show. The show was not named five-oh with five-oh meaning cops.

375 Ace, Obama's slip was even easier that what you write. He says that "he's been to 57 states, with one more to go - but they won't let him go to Alaska or Hawaii" (paraphrased).  His brain probably thought "50 states" and then went through the rest of his thought - been to 47 states, one more to go on my campaign and not going to the last 2.

And yes, I still make fun of him for it, and call him stupid for it. Why? Because the media has set the standard, and I'm not about to let them destroy our candidates/politicians without having some form or mutual assured destruction.

376 Paul Revere DID tell a British officer that 500 Americans were armed and dangerous after they captured him. This was after he had roused the Americans. See his letter to Jeremy Belknap written in 1798 at the Massachusetts Historical Society website. Sarah had just come out of the Old North Church. I'm sure she had just learned that fact.

377

I can't count the times people have said they don't want her to run, but hope she stays out their fighting for conservative principals, and will be a "cheerleader" for the nominee.

Yep, not good enough to run or win the primary, but whoever wins the nomination will need her to push them over the line.

WTF does that say about the other candidates?

 

378 their = there.   There you go, Ace, proving your theory.  heh

379 Paul Revere DID tell a British officer that 500 Americans were armed and dangerous after they captured him. This was after he had roused the Americans. See his letter to Jeremy Belknap written in 1798 at the Massachusetts Historical Society website. Sarah had just come out of the Old North Church. I'm sure she had just learned that fact.

Posted by: ManiacMom at June 07, 2011 03:24 PM (bumPW)

Heh, you are late to the party. Those are just irrefutable facts. Facts don't matter on this thread. They are just technicalities. We are now talking about how good of a professor of history Palin is while getting her lunch.

 

380

Look, I think I made it clear (granted, I am not nearly the orator that Sarah Palin is) that the entire topic of Sarah Palin bores me. I think,  however, that any candidate (or potential candidate) forays into the public can provide a learning moment about the future campaign. And I thought (again, I am not as smart as Sarah) that this was an excellent example of why that old rule still applies.

OK.

My bad, apologies.

I read that post as Maentenloch, who was (like most on that side including Ace) saying 'she didn't mean that'.

Your view basically concedes that she meant what she said and it wasn't 'right by accident' but that you disapprove of the delivery. No one can claim the "uhm, british" run on statement was the best speech of Winston Churchhill's career.

That would have been a goal-post move, if you were ever taking that line, but apparently you never have. My bad.

Disapprove of her oratory delivery all day long, knock her on it, I don't care... that's not insane.

381

And as for the defense of "its a lunch line comment" hey...welcome to modern politics. George Allen lost an election because of an off-the-cuff remark at a rally that got videotapped.

Yeah go with that, calling a black guy Maccacca while standing on stage giving a speech is just like Palin correctly reciting history, just like that. I can see where you are coming from.

Tell me something, do you think George allen would have lost that election if instead he would have said "Revere warned the British that the americans were waiting and were serious"?

Yeah I am sure he would.

382 Isn't it about time someone sold us some lace wigs?

383 But don't kid yourself into thinking that any criticism of her is "nothing more than personal animosity or attachment to some other political figure." There are other possibilities. Such as: She is clearly not running for office (or clearly can't win at this point), but is still requiring our time and efforts.<<<CJ

Rly?  "Requiring"?  Piper came over and forced you to post?  Damn cheeky of her.

384

Heh, you are late to the party. Those are just irrefutable facts. Facts don't matter on this thread.

Facts? I like to call them "technicalities".

385 So, how about this, instead of going full death-con alert anytime anybody says anything remotely less than flattering of Sarah, maybe, just maybe, there is a nugget of truth to the point. Every campaign is going to have moments when their communication template is not going to work. Good campaigns adjust. Bad one's dig in and make the template the focus of the message of the day and not whatever point it is they want to make.<<<Mallamutt

I'm sorry, the fact that you typed "death-con" instead of "defcon" and made the plural of one possessive rendered this entire paragraph absolute gibberish.  But I think we can all learn from it.

386

Yep, not good enough to run or win the primary, but whoever wins the nomination will need her to push them over the line. WTF does that say about the other candidates?

That they recognize she has a lot of passionate supporters, not enough to win anything but enough to influence a race. That happens a lot.

387

Mallamutt, I still disagree with you, in that this strikes me as the latest iteration of the "I hope he fails" debate. I think your standard is impossible. She was in a lunch line... I can provide similar flubs for any other candidate, yadda yadda. The media is hostile, period full stop. (See Kerry razzing you about 'death-con').

But you're not insane. It's not at all unreasonable, you're fully entitled to your view and you're it's perfectly fine for you to knock her on it. I don't care if you like her or vote for her. On the whole I've no interest in debating the merits in another round of "I hope he fails"/"mission accomplished" or whatever. And I don't think ANYONE can honestly claim it was a very well articulated statement.

That's something entirely different from some of the wicked contorted mental gymnastics going on from some others. For you, it's not about history but optics. For me, this kerfluffle isn't about the politics at all.

Nor really about the history - since no one's really denying it.

More of this absurdness I cannot even define or put a name to.

388

Thank you. Yes, this is not about histroy. Its about messaging. Lets assume Palin had a message plan for this tour. That message plan is now worthless because this ...whatever you want to call it......has now made that plan worthless.

I think her plan was to "educate and energize Americans about our nationÂ’s founding principles" Aren't we all educated now about Paul Revere and what he stood for? Not so worthless, eh?

389

O.k....your dense, I get it. So I am gonna try and explain this one more time to you. It won't work. Why, because it is Saint Sarah for you.

Its about messaging. Its about communications. Its about an ability to get a message out. She is losing the message battle because it is no longer about the message, it is round 632 of the media vs. Sarah Palin death match. Its about staying on message, on script, being disciplined. And when it takes 2 or 3 days to explain a message...that message isn't working. Move on...do not continue to debate the failed template. Adjust.

Oh fuck you. I already said I could give a rats ass what Palin does. Like everything else that doesn't fit your narrow fucking worldview. You can't accept it, the same way you can't except she was right and you were too lazy or dumb to figure it out.

Making a racist comment to a black guy is very poor political messaging. Correctly citing history is not.

You won't let it go because you have to be right, regardless of facts that make you very wrong.

Like I said, I don't understand you guys and I really don't care too. I don't think it's possible.

390

And you just double down and argue every remote point because there can be no criticism of Sarah.

I do think she's a little over-sensitive to criticism.

But she's doing things a different way. Better? Dunno don't care. She may have different objectives - if she's NOT running (and I don't think she is), playing  media vs. Sarah Palin death match is great red meat and probably very lucrative.

But it all boils down to media tactics. I'm not really interested in this topic from that angle. Kind of : "Whatever". I don't care.

Totally not at all related to some of the other debates going on in this thread that just read like absolute nonsense, I really cannot take them at face value and understand them at all. They're blatantly unworkable and silly foils or justifications for... whatever, I dunno what. I really don't.

391

I think intelligence in politicians is generally overrated anyway.  It's not really that important to the job.  Sorta like a catcher in baseball being a fast runner.  It looks flashy, and people mistake all that zipping around to mean they're actually good, but ultimately it's not an important skill, given what they really need to do.

And if they stick around long enough, they will lose all their speed because the nature of the position is what it has always been.  Plus they're on their knees a lot.

392

Thanks Sarah, without your 'mistake' I would not have known that Paul Revere actually DID warn the British not to take our arms, hence the 'birth' of what would become the 2nd Amendment.

Gee, maybe thats what it was all about, maybe she just learned it too from her guide. Found it interesting and wanted us all to be educated. She just didn't say it like a professor.

393 Re: post 130 Wow - someone used part of my post (115) as spam?! Weird. mac :]

394 The Schwalbe: © at June 07, 2011 04:25 PM (UU0OF) Exactly. Though as others have said, I AM exhausted at having to defend her all the time. BUT- I don't blame HER for the attacks. I blame the condescending idiots who are either threatened by her or have so latched on to the Female Republican = Clueless Hick meme, they feel the need to attack her at every opportunity.

395 Good point the George Bush hate transferred to Palin, but that doesn't mean Bush or Palin are good for the country.

396 No Ace, no. She had just taken a tour of Paul Revere's home, and was asked about what she had learned. She already knew the routine story of Paul Revere warning the colonists that the British were coming. She was referring to what she had learned about Revere being captured and basically saying "screw you" to the British. No doubt if the media did an honest investigation they would find that the tour guides had related this story. Granted, it was late in the day and she could have strung together her sentences better. But it wasn't just a slip of the tongue referring to the story that everyone knows; it was a new thing that she had learned.

397 Wow! What the hell did I step into. I very infrequently post. While I'm a regular reader, I don't always read the comments. I had NO IDEA of the passions provoked by Sarah Palin on this site. I certainly didn't expect that kind of venom. For the record I am ambivalent about Sarah Palin. Sorry if the"...catch up" line offended you.

398 Wow again. Just finished scanning this thread. I really had no idea about the STRONG feeling about this. Again, I am sorry about the catch up remark. It didn't seem offensive to me when I pressed post. Obviously I was mistaken.

399 One last thing and then I promise to stop picking at this scab - I should have said sorry for offending you and not sorry IF I offended you, because I obviously did.

400 I still think you're wrong.

401 I lied about stopping, but nobody's reading this so what the he'll.

402 Damn you autocorrect!

403 Because she went on this bus tour to draw attention to American history, then she fucked it all up.

404

So this happened, what, 100 years ago in Ezra Klein years?  And the media is in a tizzy when after the VP Debate in 2008 they cared not at all the Sheriff Joe was riding the short bus on the way to his Middle East briefings.  My favorite was Hezbollah in Lebanon:  from memory Joe B said that Bush had let the Hezzies back into Lebanon and that was really stupid.  Of course on Planet Earth Bush had done nothing of the kind and, in fact, the Hezzies have been a force in Lebanon for every day of the last three decades and have pretty much governed solo the South of the country since the early 90s.

This is like saying that Jerry Sloan was a lousy Basketball coach.  Why the hell did he let Michael Jordan come back from retirement? 

 

 

405 Ahhhhhhh.

It always ends in span, doesn't it?

406 Yep, Rush nailed it today. AoSHQ, not so much. ----- The Story of Palin and Paul Revere RUSH: Now, this Paul Revere business. [ ... ] "They're not gonna take our guns away from us, those bells are gonna be ringing out there." People said, "Oh, my God, what an idiot! They think Paul Revere was warning the British! My God," and they went nuts. Now, what happened was that Paul Revere got captured. Paul Revere was captured -- and while in captivity, he did warn the British, "You ain't gonna get away with this. We know that you're here. Everybody knows. You're not gonna be able to disarm us. The bells are gonna be ringing out there, and you're not gonna surprise anybody." So she was right. So they went to the historians, the highly respected historians, and to read this was just as humorous as it could be. The historians in Boston that the news media found had to begrudgingly admit that she was right, but as one of them said (this is classic), "It wasn't due to scholarship. Mrs. Palin accidentally got this right." They made it very clear that very few people really know that Paul Revere, in fact, did warn the British after he was captured. They think that she was either drunk or tired or whatever because they believe she actually said, "I can see Russia from my house." They believe she told Katie Couric. They believe this. So they think that she committed a faux pas, that happened to turn out to be right, so they're saying, "Yes, yes. Actually she's correct about this, but it's not due to scholarship." Meaning it's not because she knew it, it's because she just happened to say it. "She got lucky," in fact one of them said. "She got very lucky here in her response." If you look at the tape of Palin saying it, it's filled with Palinisms -- these Palinisms that rub people wrong. When she says, for example, "They're gonna be ringing those bells!" people think that's very unsophisticated to speak that way. "They're ringing those bells out there." But in fact the church bells were going to be rung and she was right. I'm not defending her. That's not the point of this. But when the story first hit you could just see it. The first version of it I saw is Andrew Malcolm, who I like. He's got the blog at the LA Times, and Andrew Malcolm ran the story, and without saying it in his own words the implication (well, the inference as a reader) was clear "Uh-oh! Oh, my God, how could you possibly think that Paul Revere warned the British? My God, what an idiot! Oh, it's confirmed everything everybody ever thought of her," and you keep reading, you read the comments, and the last comment -- and at the time I saw this there must have been must have been 12 or 13 comments. The last comment was from a guy, "Actually, she's right. It happened, and she was right." The real story is that nobody knew it. Nobody knew that Paul Revere actually warned the Brits, too. Nobody stopped to think of when he got captured. The story of Paul Revere as far as most people know is he's riding through town, warning, "The British are coming! The British are coming," and that's it. They don't know he got captured. They don't know the story of what he did in captivity, how he did warn them. So it was just funny to watch all this fall out. The critics laughing at her had no clue themselves what had really happened. Yeah, "The regulars are coming," and then when they went to the scholars, the scholars begrudgingly, "Yes, Mrs. Palin is right about this, but it wasn't due to scholarship," meaning, "She's still an idiot, she's always an idiot, and this doesn't mean that she's not an idiot. She just lucked into this. Damn it!" The whole thing was just to me hilarious as it could be. It is what it is with her. But, my friends, in terms of whether she get the nomination, I have no clue. All I know is that when I run into more and more Republican women, the hatred for Sarah Palin is visceral. They just don't like her. I don't pretend to understand it. Well, I know I explained it once, but it's a form of irrationality that I can't hold onto for very long. Can't. BREAK TRANSCRIPT RUSH: You remember there was another occasion where Palin was laughed at and mocked. She was talking to a Tea Party crowd and about waiting for the November election to come up, you know, party like it's 1773. And of course the media went nuts, "Oh, yeah, 1773, yeah, Sarah Palin, Declaration of Independence, she doesn't even know what year the Declaration --" and, of course, 1773 was the year of the Boston Tea Party. She's talking to an audience of Tea Party people, 1773 is a relevant date. Again, she knew what she was talking about. The smart people had no clue what she was talking about and assumed she's an idiot. So when you start out assuming somebody's a blithering idiot, everything she says is going to end up being a blithering idiot. And again, these are the smart people. I've had had so many people tell me they think that she's stupid. But the only reason they think that is because of what they're being told by these pompous asses in the media who hold themselves out as the arbiters of smart and who themselves are brain-dead ignoramuses when it comes to basic facts. And of course Obama thinks Hirohito was on the deck of the USS Missouri signing the surrender treaty with MacArthur, and he thinks there are 57 states. Well, those are just slips of the tongue.

407 Clyde, give it up.

She's been deemed guilty (like deem-and-pass), so drop the facts, already.

Just enjoy the freaking spam.

408 May 9th, 2007

"In case you missed it, this week, there was a tragedy in Kansas. Ten thousand people died — an entire town destroyed."

409 I have officially heard everything. Paul Revere was warning the British.  Well I could give Palin a break if it was only a slip of the tongue.  But she proceeded to justify her position when her error was pointed out.  Adults admit mistakes and move on.
I once thought that Palin had an IQ of 40.  I now see this was overly generous.