May 23, 2011
— Ace Here you go. I've got nothing to say, but I would like to see less of the Sarah 4 Ever crew spreading disinformation in every other thread.
Remember, it's just so awful how other Republicans treat Palin. It's just awful, the things they say. The lies, the half-truths, the use of foul language like the c-word.
The made-up stories, the errant "facts," the myths, the slanders.
The caricatures, the disrespect, the cheap dismissals, the superior tone, the constant attacks, the unrelenting unfairness.
The reliance on heavily edited MSM reports by wily reporters looking to do a hit.
Just awful. Awful! Why, I've never seen another candidate treated so! Except for... every other candidate, by the people decrying such treatment of Palin.
Have a ball. Promote her non-candidacy here. Let's just do the full oppo dump here.
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Posted by: apotheosis at May 23, 2011 03:04 PM (xWk3U)
Posted by: Dr Spank at May 23, 2011 03:05 PM (kaZUb)
Posted by: ace at May 23, 2011 03:06 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: ace at May 23, 2011 03:06 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Conservative Law at May 23, 2011 03:06 PM (XJhc0)
Posted by: Mark at May 23, 2011 03:07 PM (h68hC)
Here you go. I've got nothing to say, but I would like to see less of the Sarah 4 Ever crew spreading disinformation in every other thread.
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Heh. Mad that he supported cap and tax? I'm enjoying this.
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at May 23, 2011 03:07 PM (u8JAM)
I'll only vote for him if he used a trident.
Posted by: Slublog at May 23, 2011 03:07 PM (QllCQ)
Sarah Palin vetoed a bill that blocked gays from visiting their partners in hospitals, and even went so far as to call it cruel?
Mouthpieced for McCain defending his immigration stance?
Psh...
total Rino.
Posted by: AOS PURITY POLICE!!!! at May 23, 2011 03:07 PM (O3+7J)
Posted by: SuperMag at May 23, 2011 03:07 PM (Da1UY)
Posted by: Dr Spank at May 23, 2011 03:07 PM (kaZUb)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at May 23, 2011 03:07 PM (sG+Bw)
In an interview, Sarah Palin said that her favorite politician is Leon Trotsky, except that he didn't take Global Warming seriously enough.
RINO!!!!
Posted by: Cicero at May 23, 2011 03:07 PM (QKKT0)
Posted by: blaster at May 23, 2011 03:08 PM (Fw2Gg)
Posted by: Bill D. Cat at May 23, 2011 03:08 PM (npr0X)
I love Sarah Palin. Which is to say, I'd hit that so hard that whomever pulled me out would be the next King of England. But only if I could shove a sock in her mouth, because, SERIOUSLY, THAT VOICE! Her voice drives me even more insane than Obama's does, and that's saying something.
Policywise, sure, I'd love her to be president. But her being on all fours with me policy-wise (see what I did there?) in my shallow world, isn't enough to outweigh the fact that I'd simply be voting for a MILFBOIICSRHVBF (Mom I'd Like to F*ck But Only If I Could Surgically Remove Her Voice Box First).
I did say I was shallow.
Posted by: Sharkman at May 23, 2011 03:08 PM (Orc9J)
Oh, a Palin fan wants to talk about ideological consistency? This could be fun.
Posted by: Slublog at May 23, 2011 03:08 PM (QllCQ)
Posted by: Mark at May 23, 2011 07:07 PM (h68hC)
If only it was that unbiased.
Posted by: CAC at May 23, 2011 03:09 PM (O3+7J)
Posted by: Barry Obama at May 23, 2011 03:09 PM (kUaEF)
Posted by: nevergiveup at May 23, 2011 03:09 PM (i6RpT)
What the hell is wrong with you people that I'm the first person to respond on a thread?
...lazy bastards.
Posted by: davisbr at May 23, 2011 03:09 PM (uCShA)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at May 23, 2011 03:10 PM (sG+Bw)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at May 23, 2011 07:07 PM (sG+Bw)
You must have been at the "Hot Black Women" convention.
You missed my thread about owls : (
Posted by: CAC at May 23, 2011 03:10 PM (O3+7J)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at May 23, 2011 07:07 PM (sG+Bw)
Nah... Ace just has a little case of vaginitus....
Posted by: mo_gunslinger at May 23, 2011 03:10 PM (5a0DS)
Posted by: Barry Obama at May 23, 2011 03:10 PM (kUaEF)
It's true.
However, people will still tell you to fuck off and call you a RINO. But there are more RINOs here. After all, we're 'horny' morons.
Posted by: Y-not at May 23, 2011 03:10 PM (pW2o8)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at May 23, 2011 03:11 PM (0q2P7)
Sarah Palin vetoed a bill that blocked gays from visiting their partners in hospitals, and even went so far as to call it cruel?
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meh. I'm fine with that. Gays wont really strangle the economy so much as cap and trade.
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at May 23, 2011 03:11 PM (u8JAM)
Frankly, I hope she's everything her more ardent admirers think she is.
Posted by: The Pricker! at May 23, 2011 03:12 PM (NFSfj)
Posted by: ace at May 23, 2011 03:12 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Jean Crowden...not a Palin fan at May 23, 2011 03:12 PM (GIB2y)
Posted by: Palerider at May 23, 2011 03:12 PM (dkExz)
Posted by: Mark at May 23, 2011 03:12 PM (h68hC)
Posted by: blaster at May 23, 2011 03:13 PM (Fw2Gg)
Posted by: nickless at May 23, 2011 03:13 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Oh Yes She Does You Misogynist RINO He-Man Womyn H8ters at May 23, 2011 03:13 PM (FYCiJ)
Me ...... "Dunno , looks like a big circle forming "
Hahahahaha!!!!
Posted by: fluffy at May 23, 2011 03:14 PM (SwkdU)
Y not.
Theres an N and an O in your handle.
50% RINO??
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Probably the RINO gene passed down from my father, a former Kennedy Democrat.
Posted by: Y-not at May 23, 2011 03:14 PM (pW2o8)
Posted by: CoolCzech at May 23, 2011 03:14 PM (kUaEF)
Posted by: ace at May 23, 2011 03:14 PM (nj1bB)
Oh no. Plenty of people here start glowing in the dark at the mention of Palin's name. Heavy on the condescension as well.
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at May 23, 2011 03:14 PM (jx2j9)
Well if Obama found himself on the other side of 25% approval she could win, so never is not exactly fair.
As far as "Not conservative" compared to whom?
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at May 23, 2011 03:15 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: moviegique at May 23, 2011 03:15 PM (Cepxj)
So I hear Cain made himself the fool yesterday on a FOX News show by not knowing anything about Palestinian refuges and the "right of return"?
Herman Cain's return Policy is the same as Godfather's return Policy:
You can't return a Pizza.
I don't care if you're Palestinian or the Pope. Once it goes out the door, it's yours.
If you order a veggie lover's and it comes with a slice of pepperoni on it, too fucking bad. You should be happy we didn't charge you for it.
If you don't want it, pick it off there and give it to the dog. Make sure you keep an eye on him for the next couple of days, though. You don't want him dragging his ass all over the living room carpet.
Posted by: The Herminator at May 23, 2011 03:15 PM (hW57F)
Why did the Palinistas cross the road?
What came first, the Palin or the Palinista?
A Palinista, a Hopenchanger, and a RINO all walk into a bar together . . .
How much is that Palin in the window? The one with li-brar-ian specs?
I'm gonna Go (all) Rogue all night! And Game On every day!
Posted by: filbert at May 23, 2011 03:15 PM (smvTK)
Posted by: USA at May 23, 2011 03:16 PM (YZISw)
Posted by: Jean Crowden...not a Palin fan at May 23, 2011 03:16 PM (GIB2y)
Posted by: Dr Spank at May 23, 2011 03:16 PM (kaZUb)
'!
Posted by: Emil at May 23, 2011 03:16 PM (kiLx5)
Posted by: nevergiveup at May 23, 2011 03:16 PM (i6RpT)
Well anyway. If she runs, I'll think se'll win the nom.
I'm going fishing. Hope you get over that period ace.
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at May 23, 2011 03:16 PM (u8JAM)
Posted by: Drinking Waaay Too Much at May 23, 2011 03:17 PM (JEvSn)
Posted by: ErikW at May 23, 2011 03:17 PM (VaNe/)
Much easier to travel and campaign for POTUS from the lower 48 instead of Alaska.
She's hired foreign policy and economic advisers. Also made her SarahPac.com site state-of-art. She's smartly waiting out the field and saving her money for when she jumps in (maybe summer/fall).
Posted by: derised1 at May 23, 2011 03:17 PM (xI4NA)
Posted by: Mark at May 23, 2011 03:17 PM (h68hC)
See you later; ironically enough a thunderstorm is whipping up here and I don't want to be online during it.
Posted by: andycanuck at May 23, 2011 03:17 PM (wPxqH)
Posted by: Dave C at May 23, 2011 03:18 PM (Xus7V)
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at May 23, 2011 07:16 PM (u8JAM)
Bless you and good luck. About the fishing.
Posted by: angler at May 23, 2011 03:18 PM (SwjAj)
Posted by: Ace of Spades, Anger Management Counsellor at May 23, 2011 03:18 PM (FYwGn)
Posted by: ace at May 23, 2011 03:18 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: CoolCzech at May 23, 2011 03:18 PM (kUaEF)
MILFBOIICSRHVBF (Mom I'd Like to F*ck But Only If I Could Surgically Remove Her Voice Box First).
I did say I was shallow.
Posted by: Sharkman at May 23, 2011 07:08 PM (Orc9J)
The human cock is remarkably versatile instrument, Sharkman!
Posted by: Barry Obama at May 23, 2011 07:10 PM (kUaEF)
True, but my razor blade attachments are still out for sharpening/cleaning/adjustment after I performed corrective surgery on actress Jennifer Gray's spine, from the inside . . .
Posted by: Sharkman at May 23, 2011 03:18 PM (Orc9J)
Frankly the whole rabid pro-Palin/rabid anti-Palin thing reminds me of those two people you know that argue constantly, are nearly at each others throats, and then the next thing you know they've eloped...
Posted by: AoSHQ's DarkLord©, warming up his earthquake machine at May 23, 2011 03:19 PM (Fs7RJ)
Posted by: ace at May 23, 2011 03:19 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 23, 2011 03:19 PM (UlUS4)
Posted by: Jean Crowden...not a Palin fan at May 23, 2011 03:19 PM (GIB2y)
Posted by: nevergiveup at May 23, 2011 03:20 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: Dave C at May 23, 2011 07:18 PM (Xus7V)
She posted about freebasing AGAIN???
Posted by: filbert's not sure who's he's making fun of-as usual at May 23, 2011 03:20 PM (smvTK)
Posted by: Inquiring Minds at May 23, 2011 03:20 PM (wOaLi)
I've saved a few "misogynist cards" that have been thrown at me for being critical of Palin that I plan to hurl with relish back at the Sarah 4 Ever crew when they start going after her.
Posted by: lowandslow at May 23, 2011 03:20 PM (GZitp)
One of my libtard friends asked me recently " you mean you would vote for Palin if she ended up getting the nomination ? " I said " I would vote for your dog over Obama"
She was beside herself. I told her " You don't want to continue this discussion"
Posted by: Jackhole at May 23, 2011 03:20 PM (+qHxi)
Psst, kid! I supported the entire idea of climate change as recently as mid-2008, and formed a commission to look into the feasibility of establishing carbon-trading markets. This was when I wasn't busy railing against the Big Oil companies and trying to get them to pay "their fair share" of taxes to the state of Alaska.
Didn't you ever wonder why John McCain picked me to run with him? I'm a maverick'in mavericky maverick!
Posted by: Sarah Palin (TM) at May 23, 2011 03:20 PM (FYCiJ)
That's basically my position, except I actually have less confidence in her as even a VP now than I did a couple of years ago.
Posted by: Y-not at May 23, 2011 03:20 PM (pW2o8)
Posted by: ace at May 23, 2011 03:20 PM (nj1bB)
She's smartly waiting out the field and saving her money for when she jumps in (maybe summer/fall).
Palin 2012 - Be Smart, Act Dumb
Posted by: PALINISTO! at May 23, 2011 03:21 PM (hW57F)
Strike Two: Could cause the Great Moron Civil War of 2011-2058
Strike Three: Has allowed that douchenozzle Levi to keep active metabolism
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 23, 2011 03:21 PM (7utQ2)
Posted by: Dave C at May 23, 2011 03:21 PM (Xus7V)
Didn't you ever wonder why John McCain picked me to run with him? I'm a maverick'in mavericky maverick!
With a GREAT ASS!
Posted by: Al Pacino at May 23, 2011 03:22 PM (hW57F)
@8: "I thought he was very upfront in that interview where he said "that was wrong" and "a bad call." "
Yeah, because otherwise, Administration steps in, and there's no exclusive rights for anyone.
Posted by: Burke, Carter J. at May 23, 2011 03:22 PM (xy9wk)
Posted by: buzzion at May 23, 2011 03:22 PM (oVQFe)
Posted by: USA at May 23, 2011 03:22 PM (YZISw)
I read it. Thought it was pretty good. I imagine if Pawlenty/Romney or one of the others posted it, there would be much rejoicing.....
Posted by: mo_gunslinger at May 23, 2011 03:22 PM (5a0DS)
And the US economy, the US Oil Industry, the Federal Budget...
...And before he got elected Celebrity Appresident, he worked at an ice cream shop.
Allegedly.
Posted by: nickless at May 23, 2011 03:22 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Andrew Sullivan at May 23, 2011 03:22 PM (FYwGn)
I like Palin. So far I prefer her to everyone else. I hope she runs, and if she does, I'll support her. I don't think she's stupid and haven't found the assertions otherwise convincing, even the ones put forth with great condescension and profanity.
That's it. Have fun. Flame away, douchebags.
Posted by: Kensington at May 23, 2011 03:23 PM (uaEZS)
That'll pull a lot of votes.
Posted by: Y-not at May 23, 2011 03:23 PM (pW2o8)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 23, 2011 03:23 PM (UlUS4)
Posted by: Dave C at May 23, 2011 03:23 PM (Xus7V)
Troll doesn't even bother being that creative. More just a garden variety jackass.
Posted by: Slublog at May 23, 2011 03:23 PM (QllCQ)
Volunteers line up to the right. You have to go through Todd though...
Posted by: AoSHQ's DarkLord©, preparing orbital strike on an undisclosed well at May 23, 2011 03:24 PM (Fs7RJ)
I would have settled for a frontal lobotomy that would have rendered him a babbling drooling idiot. Wait...!
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at May 23, 2011 03:24 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Ellen Ripley, Warrant Officer (Reassingment Pending) at May 23, 2011 03:24 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Charles Johnson at May 23, 2011 03:24 PM (FYwGn)
Posted by: Mark at May 23, 2011 07:07 PM (h68hC)
Obnoxious, ain't it?
Posted by: Nick at May 23, 2011 03:24 PM (LtjBB)
1 part bitching about candidates who try to avoid being crucified in the media.
5 parts bitching about the media's crucifixion of Palin.
Posted by: Damn Dirty RINO at May 23, 2011 03:24 PM (hSwL0)
Posted by: mama winger at May 23, 2011 03:24 PM (KDX07)
Posted by: ace at May 23, 2011 03:25 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: filbert's still trying to suss the tenor of the thread at May 23, 2011 03:25 PM (smvTK)
Shit may as well run Bristol. The Idiot Party is clearly not mobilized to win this.
Yeah Yeah 18 months. Heard that last time.
Posted by: USS Diversity at May 23, 2011 03:26 PM (RPYjQ)
Posted by: mugiwara at May 23, 2011 03:27 PM (KI/Ch)
Palin 2012.
Because you bitches say it can't be done.
(Shamelessly ripped off from someone else here.)
Posted by: blue star at May 23, 2011 03:28 PM (LkWf0)
Posted by: Asscheeks of Saturn at May 23, 2011 03:28 PM (le5qc)
Point out the times you've come to the defense of any of Palin's rivals.
I don't see that happening. I see a lot of pouncing, though.
Posted by: ace at May 23, 2011 07:25 PM (nj1bB)
Let me know when they start getting blamed for a nutjob shooting up an event ace.
Posted by: buzzion at May 23, 2011 03:28 PM (oVQFe)
Posted by: Bob Dole! at May 23, 2011 03:28 PM (7mSYS)
And is somehow a political force to be reckoned with.
Obama just killed Bin Ladin.
And he still can't get a bump.
LOLZ
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at May 23, 2011 03:28 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: SOMEASSHOLESTOLEMYPEN at May 23, 2011 03:29 PM (VmAoa)
Posted by: ace at May 23, 2011 03:30 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at May 23, 2011 03:31 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: filbert's bailing on this one at May 23, 2011 03:31 PM (smvTK)
Toronto eh?
Posted by: Mark at May 23, 2011 03:32 PM (h68hC)
Posted by: ace at May 23, 2011 03:32 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: steevy at May 23, 2011 03:33 PM (m3WP2)
She is a MINOR thing. You are elevating her into the single most important "issue" in the goddamned race.
Uh, didn't this work for the Democrats in '08?
Posted by: davisbr at May 23, 2011 03:33 PM (uCShA)
Posted by: ErikW at May 23, 2011 03:34 PM (VaNe/)
At this point I'm giving up on the Republicans and supporting an invasion by the Dothraki Horde
Khal Drogo 2012: The Stallion that Mounts the World. All of the People of the World Will be His Herd
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 23, 2011 03:35 PM (M8E6y)
Ace,
When are you going to write a post on Obama of the Monygal Obama's and try out his new Obamenator of the Monygal Obamenators?
Posted by: robtr at May 23, 2011 03:35 PM (MtwBb)
Posted by: Palerider at May 23, 2011 03:35 PM (dkExz)
Posted by: steevy at May 23, 2011 03:35 PM (m3WP2)
In other news, Ray Lewis is predicting massive crime if the NFL season is canceled.
Interesting negotiating tactic.
He may just be talking about himself, I haven't figured it out yet.
Maybe he's trying to get away with murder...again.
Posted by: Meremortal at May 23, 2011 03:35 PM (kqlVP)
Posted by: GONZOTX at May 23, 2011 03:35 PM (ExKx3)
Sounds like recycled "fire in the belly" crap they used against the almighty Fred!
T-Paw is no Fred!, but "charisma gap" is a rather lame attack. Who cares if the candidate gets you a woody - all that matters is whether he is right on the issues, has competence, and can speak coherently.
Posted by: wooga at May 23, 2011 03:35 PM (2p0e3)
Unless he killed him for a dungeons & dragons rule infraction, this is not a deal breaker for me. If he killed him for snoring, it's a net positive.
Posted by: Ted Kennedy's Gristle Encased Head at May 23, 2011 03:35 PM (+lsX1)
Fuck it! I am not voting for any of you for President!
Posted by: Damiano at May 23, 2011 03:36 PM (3nrx7)
Posted by: Miss Klingon Beauty Pageant Winner at May 23, 2011 03:36 PM (y/+eD)
Posted by: CoolCzech at May 23, 2011 03:37 PM (kUaEF)
Posted by: JackStraw at May 23, 2011 03:37 PM (TMB3S)
Posted by: ace at May 23, 2011 07:30 PM (nj1bB)
I agree, but only to a point. Palin has the "fire in her belly", I don't think T-Paw has much more than a warm feeling in his pants, if that. I hope he can overcome it, and a few wins certainly helps, but I'm just not sure he's got it in him. In the American Idol presidency we have become, I'm not sure his deficiency in this area can be overcome... I'm still pulling for him to do it, he seems like the best all-around candidate out there.
Posted by: mugiwara at May 23, 2011 03:37 PM (KI/Ch)
Posted by: steevy at May 23, 2011 03:37 PM (m3WP2)
Posted by: CoolCzech at May 23, 2011 03:38 PM (kUaEF)
Posted by: Dr Spank at May 23, 2011 03:38 PM (kaZUb)
Posted by: Tough US Immigration Policies at May 23, 2011 03:38 PM (zL6Hj)
Not against an incumbent.
Back to my previously stated serious points about Palin: I personally like her. However, with a vulnerable President as the opponent, she definitely is not the vehicle to force Obama to defend his record. The race would, ironically given Ace's response to Buzzion above, become immediately and irrevocably about her. And we can't win that way.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 23, 2011 03:38 PM (7utQ2)
Posted by: K~Bob at May 23, 2011 03:39 PM (5bYzm)
Besides, Mitch Daniels is short and has a bitchy wife.
Posted by: Onward TrueCon Soldiers at May 23, 2011 03:39 PM (FYCiJ)
We've got problems.
1. Romney sucks.
2. He wins the nom if we can't unite behind someone who isn't Romney.
So we try unite by
A. Throwing out nice things about our guy.
B. Running everyone else down.
Because if someone doesn't emerge soon that we can get behind. See 1 and 2.
If the Republican field was great we wouldn't be arguing because we wouldn't care who won. So blame the party for asking us to eat a Sh*t Sandwich not us for arguing which corner tastes the least bad.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at May 23, 2011 03:40 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: CoolCzech at May 23, 2011 03:40 PM (kUaEF)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 23, 2011 07:38 PM (7utQ2)
Aren't presidential races supposed to be about the candidates?
Posted by: Oldcat at May 23, 2011 03:41 PM (z1N6a)
Posted by: mAc Chaos at May 23, 2011 03:41 PM (6s7n2)
Posted by: CoolCzech at May 23, 2011 03:41 PM (kUaEF)
Posted by: George Takei at May 23, 2011 03:42 PM (FYCiJ)
Posted by: Ken at May 23, 2011 03:42 PM (dvQqE)
Posted by: CoolCzech at May 23, 2011 03:42 PM (kUaEF)
Underestimate that factor at your peril. It's not an easy thing to pull off.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 23, 2011 03:42 PM (7utQ2)
I don't think so.
Palin is not RNC chief, the GOP nominee, an office-holder, or even a candidate. There's no reason for other pols to have to come to her defense all the time.
Posted by: Y-not at May 23, 2011 03:42 PM (pW2o8)
What they're saying is is that it's better if it's about Obama's failings than about the failings of the person looking to replace him.
Posted by: nickless at May 23, 2011 03:42 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: newrouter at May 23, 2011 03:42 PM (6BXlQ)
if she gets the nom she gets my dough. and time.
Posted by: icemike at May 23, 2011 03:43 PM (c59Ov)
How about we actually stab each other until only the left is left? Then they can fuck everything up completely and the last standing conservative can say "I knew that was going to happen!"
It will be a "moral victory," which is what people say when they get completely fucked and refuse to admit they screwed up.
Stab stab... stab...
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at May 23, 2011 03:43 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Purity Republican at May 23, 2011 03:43 PM (kaZUb)
Posted by: ace at May 23, 2011 07:32 PM (nj1bB)
Ace I don't spend all day talking about her. I addressed one thing here.
You're right. ITS NOT ALL ABOUT HER. So why are you going off on people that occasionally bring her up. Yeah yeah they occasionally bring her up, but then the really sneaky thing they do is that they attack other candidates to build her up. oooo scary. What bullshit.
You know who brings her up all the time and really shits the bed with it? Two people that are constantly criticizing her. Because I've read threads where she gets a mention or one of her supposed supporters attacks another candidate and it just fades away and isn't that big of a deal. But when it really takes off is when the shit heads that have all their rage built up from being over at hot air let loose with it here.
At some point you're going to have to accept is that the people you think are on your side are the ones that keep pulling out their recorders and hitting the brown noise. Its annoying to a lot of people and I really think you don't see it, because you're not always in the comments of every thread.
See like when you wrote that to me you probably think I'm a Palinista just waiting for her to run and think Christine O'Donnell was the right candidate to run in Delaware and we should run a Jim DeMint in every race around the country. And I can tell you right now that you are wrong and there is proof on this blog of that. But I don't spend every single post insulting those that might like some others.
Posted by: buzzion at May 23, 2011 03:43 PM (oVQFe)
Posted by: Emil at May 23, 2011 03:43 PM (kiLx5)
Posted by: blaster at May 23, 2011 03:43 PM (Fw2Gg)
Posted by: Y-not at May 23, 2011 07:42 PM (pW2o
Chivalry?
Posted by: Oldcat at May 23, 2011 03:43 PM (z1N6a)
I mean has anyone actually seen her dribble left handed with her head up?
Nah, I thought not.
.....you're welcome
Posted by: ontherocks at May 23, 2011 03:44 PM (HBqDo)
Posted by: Jackhole at May 23, 2011 03:44 PM (+qHxi)
Posted by: steevy at May 23, 2011 03:45 PM (m3WP2)
I hear Tim Pawlenty can hammer a nail into a two by four with his cock.
Posted by: Ben at May 23, 2011 03:45 PM (DKV43)
Oldcat--here are the two scenarios:
1. Obama is forced to defend Obamacare, the budget, Libya, jobs, and energy.
OR
2. PALIN PALIN PALIN PALIN PALIN PALIN PALIN PALIN PALIN
We can win the first. We cannot win the second one.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 23, 2011 03:45 PM (7utQ2)
Posted by: nickless at May 23, 2011 07:42 PM (MMC8r)
Then maybe we should look for a candidate who might point those failings out. So far, those seem to be thin on the ground.
Posted by: Oldcat at May 23, 2011 03:45 PM (z1N6a)
Posted by: Onward TrueCon Soldiers at May 23, 2011 07:39 PM (FYCiJ)
I agreed with you, up until the point where she allowed and encouraged her kids to become reality TV stars. Sorry, when you put your kids on TV, allow them to post publicly on Facebook and promote the stupidity that they're up to, and go out of your way to make them public figures; all bets are off on the "leave my kids out of it" thing.
If anyone elects to make an ass of themselves in public, I reserve the right to mock them about it.
Posted by: Damiano at May 23, 2011 03:45 PM (3nrx7)
I don't think she can win. The bastards in the media and the Democrat attack machine have done their work too well. They've poisoned too many minds about Mrs. Palin. For too many people she's the "I can see Russia" airhead of Saturday Night Live sketch fame. I would love to see her win, and I would love to see all the filthy bastards who've savaged her be made to suffer in Hell for what they've done, but it ain't gonna happen. We're not taking that trench today, so there's no point in charging the guns.
We need to nominate someone who can win. At this point motivating the base is kind of a moot point: we've got Barack Obama his own self motivating the Republican base the way no Republican in history has ever managed to do. I think pretty much every registered Republican would fight through a swarm of killer bees with a broken leg just to vote against Obama in 2012.
What we need is someone those stupid, ill-informed, indecisive know-nothing jackoffs in the middle will vote for. That means someone earnest and safe, with no personality the Stewart-Colbert-SNL axis can mock, no out-of-mainstream religious beliefs, nothing in the past the Democrats' legions of leakers, snitches, and stooges can dig up, and a public persona so damned virtuous their normal make-shit-up methods won't stick.
Posted by: Trimegistus at May 23, 2011 03:46 PM (4Zsmb)
You anti-Palinistas have elevated healthy skepticism about Sarah into a downright PORNOGRAPHIC fervor of SMUT. This FILTH you continually spout out against a fine upstanding politician reminds me of nothing so much as WHOREDOM.
This political porn has infested the soul of conservatism to an increasing degree ever since the election of 1960.
Posted by: Ken You Dig It? at May 23, 2011 03:46 PM (FYCiJ)
Growing grass thinks it's a great pastime to watch him in action.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at May 23, 2011 03:46 PM (0q2P7)
Agreed.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 23, 2011 03:46 PM (CLYmB)
1. Obama is forced to defend Obamacare, the budget, Libya, jobs, and energy.
OR
2. PALIN PALIN PALIN PALIN PALIN PALIN PALIN PALIN PALIN
We can win the first. We cannot win the second one.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 23, 2011 07:45 PM (7utQ2)
Or 3. We are too polite to say anything critical at all.
Posted by: Oldcat at May 23, 2011 03:46 PM (z1N6a)
Posted by: Emil at May 23, 2011 07:43 PM (kiLx5)
Of the commentariat? 86.5 percent is still human.
500 internets for anyone who gets the reference.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at May 23, 2011 03:47 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: mAc Chaos at May 23, 2011 03:47 PM (6s7n2)
On a serious note. I like Palin. I'm impressed by what she was able to accomplish against the Murkowski/Young Republican machine in Alaska, and I'm happy she is making a difference and money by being an advocate for conservative causes.
That said, if she's our candidate in 2012, Obama will get a second term.
I can like someone and be glad someone is on our side, and at the same time think that person can't win the office of the Presidency.
Posted by: Ben at May 23, 2011 03:47 PM (DKV43)
Posted by: Soona at May 23, 2011 03:47 PM (2sOhR)
Smell the excitement..
Posted by: TexasJew at May 23, 2011 07:42 PM (L8Let)
Ha! I saw that as "Smell the excrement."
I like T-Paw just fine though. I'd hit the lever for him. I love Sarah, but I've been convinced for some time she's not running. However, if ACE says she's not running................we know what THAT means.
Posted by: Meremortal at May 23, 2011 03:47 PM (kqlVP)
I'm not sure I'd vote for that, but I'd sure pay ten bucks to watch.
Posted by: sartana at May 23, 2011 03:47 PM (/IW23)
Posted by: CoolCzech at May 23, 2011 03:48 PM (kUaEF)
Posted by: Emil at May 23, 2011 03:48 PM (kiLx5)
Posted by: TexasJew at May 23, 2011 03:48 PM (L8Let)
Posted by: Ken at May 23, 2011 07:42 PM (dvQqE)
Listen to this guy, Ace.
One of our best customers.
Posted by: Tin Foil Hat Inc. at May 23, 2011 03:48 PM (O3+7J)
Posted by: ace at May 23, 2011 03:49 PM (nj1bB)
Circa you're dead on.
If she runs the 2012 election is about Sarah Palin. In the same way the 2008 election became quasi about Palin. Hell if you were a foreigner watching our media in 2008, you would have thought she was the candidate.
If we get a T-Paw, Mitt, or dear lord please someone good like Ryan, and the election is about Obama's record as president, we win.
Posted by: Ben at May 23, 2011 03:49 PM (DKV43)
After today - T-Paw is up on Romney. I'm a T-Paw gal now. Somebody stop me.
T-Paw is well spoken - and we need that.
Posted by: Lemon Kitten at May 23, 2011 03:49 PM (0fzsA)
Posted by: Herr Blücher at May 23, 2011 03:49 PM (BeHqv)
Posted by: mAc Chaos at May 23, 2011 07:47 PM (6s7n2)
Its what they do all the time. They did it to Reagan, in spades. He was going to destroy the entire world!
Posted by: Oldcat at May 23, 2011 03:49 PM (z1N6a)
What we need is someone those stupid, ill-informed, indecisive know-nothing jackoffs in the middle will vote for ...
Naw. We need someone who will make a good prez. The jackoffs are already as pissed at O' as we are. Been to a gas pump lately?
Posted by: davisbr at May 23, 2011 03:49 PM (uCShA)
Hmm... Palin now at 2,986,079 Facebook fans.
None of the other GOP contenders are generating as much interest on Facebook.
Just Sarah's Facebook fans alone could finance a campaign.
Posted by: derised1 at May 23, 2011 03:49 PM (xI4NA)
My friends, I strongly endorse #3.
BTW- Is it too late for me to throw my hat back in the ring?
Posted by: John McCain at May 23, 2011 03:49 PM (3nrx7)
Posted by: ace at May 23, 2011 03:49 PM (nj1bB)
I'll take odd historical references for $1000, Alex.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 23, 2011 03:49 PM (7utQ2)
Posted by: CoolCzech at May 23, 2011 03:49 PM (kUaEF)
#211
I heard that Chris Christie can have a railroad tie hammered into his cock and strike the ground so hard with it he hits the earths core.
Posted by: CAC at May 23, 2011 03:50 PM (O3+7J)
Posted by: Dick_Nixon at May 23, 2011 03:50 PM (91RY/)
Posted by: JackStraw at May 23, 2011 03:50 PM (TMB3S)
Posted by: Ken You Dig It? at May 23, 2011 07:46 PM (FYCiJ)
I did like 'Nailin' Palin'.
There was a subtle nuance that I think escaped most viewers.
Admitedly, I didn't pick it up until I had FF through to all of the money shots, twice. But it was there.
Posted by: garrett at May 23, 2011 03:50 PM (hW57F)
Posted by: steevy at May 23, 2011 03:50 PM (m3WP2)
You can't possibly be that stupid. Of course Ace wants both you and your ex killed. Especially you and your ex. Also he would definitely want your pets raped.
Posted by: Ted Kennedy's Gristle Encased Head at May 23, 2011 03:51 PM (+lsX1)
Posted by: mAc Chaos at May 23, 2011 07:41 PM (6s7n2)
I totally agree.
Posted by: HotinHEAVEN at May 23, 2011 03:51 PM (SQvIY)
Posted by: mAc Chaos at May 23, 2011 03:51 PM (6s7n2)
Posted by: ace at May 23, 2011 03:51 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: mAc Chaos at May 23, 2011 07:47 PM (6s7n2)
One problem might be that the media's been setting the Narrative in stone for two years.
They will certainly try to do Pawlenty or any new candidates the same way, and Romney already has a lot of his image established as fact. Palin, too, has a lot of the preconceptions, whether fair or not fair, firmly established with a lot of people.
Posted by: nickless at May 23, 2011 03:52 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: CoolCzech at May 23, 2011 03:52 PM (kUaEF)
You're right. ITS NOT ALL ABOUT HER. So why are you going off on people that occasionally bring her up.
"Occasionally" as in "occasionally, people in New Orleans get drunk during Mardi Gras".
Posted by: Hollowpoint at May 23, 2011 03:52 PM (WRW1S)
Posted by: Dr Spank at May 23, 2011 03:52 PM (kaZUb)
Posted by: steevy at May 23, 2011 03:53 PM (m3WP2)
Sorry to interrupt the Palinator tm thread, but I had to show everybody the full of stupid I just saw at AOL:
___________________________________
New Theory Links Nazi to 'Area 51'
A reporter says she's uncovered evidence of a Cold War plot by Joseph Stalin that might explain what happened behind this sign.
________________________________________
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at May 23, 2011 03:53 PM (IXLvN)
Hmm... Palin now at 2,986,079 Facebook fans.
None of the other GOP contenders are generating as much interest on Facebook.
Just Sarah's Facebook fans alone could finance a campaign.
Obama got 69,000, 000 votes in 2008. he beat McCain/Palin by some 10,000,000 votes.
She has 3,000,000 facebook fans you say?
Posted by: Ben at May 23, 2011 03:53 PM (DKV43)
0% chance with the MFM. This election will be about the Republican candidate. Period.
That person has to be able to not only withstand the 24/7 MFM propaganda assault but fire back directly at Obama, AND score hits.
Posted by: Drinking Waaay Too Much at May 23, 2011 03:53 PM (JEvSn)
Palin now at 2,986,079 Facebook fans.
None of the other GOP contenders are generating as much interest on Facebook.
Game. Set. Match.
Posted by: Bud Collins at May 23, 2011 03:53 PM (hW57F)
@141: "At this point I'm giving up on the Republicans and supporting an invasion by the Dothraki Horde
Khal Drogo 2012: The Stallion that Mounts the World. All of the People of the World Will be His Herd"
Piker. Cthulhu'12. Why Settle For The Lesser Evil? The stars are right for the Elder Party!
Posted by: Albert Shiney at May 23, 2011 03:53 PM (xy9wk)
Posted by: Ken at May 23, 2011 03:53 PM (dvQqE)
Posted by: mama winger at May 23, 2011 03:53 PM (KDX07)
Sample was 46%D, 29%R, 4% Indie, and 20% undecided/unknown.
More here.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 23, 2011 03:53 PM (CLYmB)
Posted by: Marmo at May 23, 2011 03:54 PM (1KSBb)
One of our best customers.
Posted by: Tin Foil Hat Inc. at May 23, 2011 07:48 PM (O3+7J)
Hey, fuck you. Ken is all mine.
Posted by: Harvey J. Nobbleschlob, Executive Producer of "Babysitter Squirt Gangbang Parts I - LXVIX" at May 23, 2011 03:54 PM (FYCiJ)
Posted by: steevy at May 23, 2011 03:54 PM (m3WP2)
Posted by: mAc Chaos at May 23, 2011 03:54 PM (6s7n2)
Chivalry?
Posted by: Oldcat at May 23, 2011 07:43 PM (z1N6a)
---
Why? She's a former governor turned independent media personality and pundit with a staff and plenty of resources. Why should other politicians, some of whom are her potential political rivals, be "chivalrous?" I could see if she was in charge of something for the party, like Ryan, or doing something difficulty and important, like Gov. Walker. In those cases - during those periods of time when they are acting on our behalf - prominent pols and pundits should come to their defense (as recently happened with Paul Ryan in response to Newt's dumb comments). But Palin holds no such position. So why the chivalry? Is it because of her boobehs?
I'm pretty sick of the boost that Palin, Bachman, and She-who-shall-not-be-named get for their lady bits.
Posted by: Y-not at May 23, 2011 03:54 PM (pW2o8)
Maybe it's just me, but using Facebook as a metric always seems a bit...off.
Posted by: Slublog at May 23, 2011 03:55 PM (QllCQ)
I hope she sits this one out.
So, my friends, how many of you will vote for a boring, wonky, level-headed, conservative like Pawlenty?
Posted by: Jimbo at May 23, 2011 03:55 PM (O3R/2)
I wonder if the person who writes Palin's Facebook posts for her gets frustrated about being unable to take credit for it.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at May 23, 2011 03:56 PM (WRW1S)
/puttin on my assless chaps, and drinking heavily.
Posted by: Unclefacts Luxury-Yacht at May 23, 2011 03:56 PM (6IReR)
What did she accomplish besides beating the elder Murkowski in a primary?
Posted by: lowandslow at May 23, 2011 03:56 PM (GZitp)
Where I'm at is I am going to look at T Paw, Huntsman, Palin and Bachman. If they all run.
I have a personal problem with Romeny draft dodging, I'm old though so I probably have only 4 or 5 million that feel the same way I do about it, maybe less.
Posted by: robtr at May 23, 2011 03:56 PM (MtwBb)
Posted by: Dr Spank at May 23, 2011 03:56 PM (kaZUb)
Oh come on, Y-not!
We're middle aged geezers, most of us balding and overweight. Would you begrudge us one last grab at some lady bits on our way to the cemetery?Posted by: CoolCzech at May 23, 2011 03:57 PM (kUaEF)
@158: "Let's face it: Lennon was the asshole of the western world."
Shut the fuck up, Donnie! That was V.I. Lenin!
Posted by: Walter Sobchak at May 23, 2011 03:57 PM (xy9wk)
Posted by: Trimegistus at May 23, 2011 03:57 PM (4Zsmb)
I like boring.
Then again, I am boring, so perhaps I'm a bit biased.
Posted by: Slublog at May 23, 2011 03:57 PM (QllCQ)
Posted by: beerologist at May 23, 2011 03:57 PM (w1GaM)
Posted by: Rand Paul at May 23, 2011 03:58 PM (yQWNf)
You reap what you sow. I'm so sick of the Palin haters and their constant shit flinging that I intend to fling as much back at them. Deal with it, bitches. You asked for it, in fact, you begged for it. Now don't whine about it, you pussies.
Posted by: Rabbi Bloody Mary at May 23, 2011 03:58 PM (zL6Hj)
Posted by: ace at May 23, 2011 03:58 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Bob Dole! at May 23, 2011 03:58 PM (7mSYS)
Which other candidate has the knowledge and could would or did articulate it?
Rush maybe, Levin maybe Hannity nope.
Sarah alone has the knowledge guts and fire to do it. The rest do not, cannot or will not.
You think Palin writes those?
Posted by: Ben at May 23, 2011 03:58 PM (DKV43)
Ace, you could fix all this by insisting that Palin is in all the way and running. 
Seriously, the visceral reactions (pos and neg) she elicits from people are quite amazing. I don't get that. But then I'm weird anyway.
Posted by: Meremortal at May 23, 2011 03:59 PM (kqlVP)
I really really really like her.
I really really really think she can't win.
Now I'm gonna enjoy my sammich.
Posted by: NC Ref at May 23, 2011 03:59 PM (/izg2)
Posted by: MaxMBJ at May 23, 2011 03:59 PM (qBKEb)
Posted by: mama winger at May 23, 2011 07:53 PM (KDX07)
Except that last time, we fought bitterly in the primary stage and enough people defected or stayed home to let Barry the Cypher take the prize.
Don't you remember the "stay home" lobby in 2008?
Now, we're even more bitter.
We could say "I like Pawlenty because XYZ" or "I like Palin because XYZ" but instead it's "YOU DISAGREE! THE WORLD ENDS!"
I know we're Morons, but seriously, people, IV Chill Juice, stat.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at May 23, 2011 03:59 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Supercore at May 23, 2011 03:59 PM (KESXl)
Posted by: CoolCzech at May 23, 2011 04:00 PM (kUaEF)
Posted by: ace at May 23, 2011 04:00 PM (nj1bB)
Ex.
Dead
Sleeping"
You failed to include "trophy," the most important one of all.
Posted by: Donald J. Trump at May 23, 2011 04:00 PM (xy9wk)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at May 23, 2011 04:00 PM (yQWNf)
Posted by: mAc Chaos at May 23, 2011 04:00 PM (6s7n2)
I just want to know why it is honest for Palin to get paid for promoting herself on FOX when the rest had to cutbait or fish?
She is never forced to follow the same rules as the other contenders!
If she had to play on an even field she wouldn't stand a chance.
Posted by: InhidingfromPalinistas at May 23, 2011 04:01 PM (9OZkG)
Romney just announced he's taking a second wife for the campaign.
Smart move.
He'll need to stage a diversion if he wants a chance to get a Tamale at the post debate Pot-Luck.
Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at May 23, 2011 04:01 PM (hW57F)
Posted by: steevy at May 23, 2011 04:01 PM (m3WP2)
Palin's problem is that she can't get the woman vote. American women will never vote for a female President that looks good. If Palin looked like Hillary, she probably would be a front runner.
Gays will never vote for Palin either, because she is a "Breeder! Gays will only be attracked to the suicidal undertones, and Palin just speaks to aggressively positive about America for them to be interested.
Posted by: Jimi at May 23, 2011 04:01 PM (JMsOK)
That wasn't an alien, that was Bob Dole's 4 hour woody
Posted by: Bob Dole! at May 23, 2011 04:01 PM (7mSYS)
Yup, and Obama has 20,758,079. So, going with your irrefutable Facebook poll, we should conclude that Palin would get 10% of the vote and Obama 90%, right?
Posted by: John McCain at May 23, 2011 04:01 PM (3nrx7)
Posted by: CoolCzech at May 23, 2011 04:01 PM (kUaEF)
Posted by: ace at May 23, 2011 07:58 PM (nj1bB)
I know it's bad form to throw tomatoes at the host, but you did not get five gold stars in "getting them to chillax" with this post. It was like gasoline on the fire.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at May 23, 2011 04:01 PM (bxiXv)
Tim Pawlenty was once unknowingly tricking into building a laser for the military while at a school for young gifted students by the school's headmaster. He got back at the headmaster by filling his house with unpopped popcorn and then programming the laser to target his house causing the popcorn to pop and fill up the house with the whilst the headmaster was inside.
Posted by: Ben at May 23, 2011 04:02 PM (DKV43)
You're right, the media should pick our a bi-partisan snoozer. That'll work.
Posted by: dagny at May 23, 2011 04:02 PM (6AwJh)
. . .
What we need is someone those stupid, ill-informed, indecisive know-nothing jackoffs in the middle will vote for. That means someone earnest and safe, with no personality the Stewart-Colbert-SNL axis can mock, no out-of-mainstream religious beliefs, nothing in the past the Democrats' legions of leakers, snitches, and stooges can dig up, and a public persona so damned virtuous their normal make-shit-up methods won't stick.
Posted by: Trimegistus at May 23, 2011 07:46 PM (4Zsmb)
As much as I'm on the Palin bandwagon, I do think you're correct about this..
I think she is 'brand damaged' and no amount of repair will fix it. I wish she would have done some interviews with CNN or something before FOX snatched her up.. waded into hostile waters a bit..
And I do give T-Paw credit for speaking the hard truth about subsidies.. downright impressed about that.
I like SP but I'm also flexible..
Cain!
Posted by: Dave C at May 23, 2011 04:02 PM (Xus7V)
Posted by: Supercore at May 23, 2011 07:59 PM (KESXl)
Reagan lost in 76. Things were different in 80.
As to if she can or if she will, who can say? I don't see why we can't let the primary voters decide up and down, and give the howling a rest for a while.
Posted by: Oldcat at May 23, 2011 04:02 PM (z1N6a)
I would vote for a ham sandwich over the POS occupying the oval office right now.
But would you vote for a 3-Day old Roast Beef Sandwich?
Posted by: garrett at May 23, 2011 04:02 PM (hW57F)
This thread just starts with a jackass premise. Own it.
Far more interesting Ace, would have been the premise that goes:
Riddle me this. Obama loses in 2012. That's a given for the thread (buy gas & groceries if you need a reason, but hell, just accept that he loses). Who is the best Republican for the presidency when ANY Republican candidate will win?
Now that's an interesting thread. And fair. More fair than this bs. Probably more bloody too, but when were we ever not able to handle a bit of triage.
Posted by: davisbr at May 23, 2011 04:02 PM (uCShA)
Some see it differently.
Posted by: ace at May 23, 2011 07:49 PM (nj1bB)
This is what happens when you don't read your own blog, Ace.
You put up a Pawlenty thread about his ethanol subsidy statement in Iowa. Some troll posts a score of comments as "jean... not a Palin fan," and for some reason you only see "Palin" and assume that the thread has been overrun by Palinistas. On that entire thread, there were two comments from Ken complaining about Frum and Brooks's treatment of Palin, two other comments that mentioned support for Palin in passing, and one comment of the anti-Palinista mode ("I think that giving Pawlenty a good, hard look is a fine idea. But let's not allow it to cut into our Palin adoration seminars").
Over 400 comments, virtually none about Palin pro or con except for dozens by and in response to a troll. Where does this world-weariness about Palinistas come from?
Posted by: stuiec at May 23, 2011 04:03 PM (Di3Im)
Posted by: Bob Dole at May 23, 2011 04:03 PM (kUaEF)
Yeah, the 'OMG UNFAVORABLES!!!!' critique misses with me because, as we all should know, a week is an eternity in politics.
In 2008, there was one candidate I celebrated looking like he was all washed up. That was John McCain. And that mangy SOB somehow came back to be the fucking lamest GOP candidate in 40 years, a bigger fuck-up than Bob Dole. He was out of money, out of the running, and somehow won the nomination. I still don't know WTF happened.
Yes, it should have been anybody else at that point. But the situation changed.
Palin hasn't announced, and there's no voting going on yet, so I don't pick anybody. If she wants it and gets in and makes the case, she gets her shot like every body else. Then I make my decision.
Posted by: nickless at May 23, 2011 04:03 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: ace at May 23, 2011 04:03 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Trimegistus at May 23, 2011 07:57 PM (4Zsmb)
With this logic, anyone-who-is-not-a-liberal who has run for office once and pissed off the liberals should just back the fuck away and never show their face again. 'Cause it's just so horrible and shit that they actually endured through years of abuse at the hands of the media after the election ended.
Whoever runs will get attacked worse than in any election before. Should no one show up, then?
Should we run some milquetoast pipsqueak who will fade away into the background once the election has been won by the incumbent? Just so they don't get attacked during the next four years before trying again?
Posted by: whatever at May 23, 2011 04:03 PM (Mk/IQ)
Suppose Sarah Palin does not run. She will still be around and she will still be mocking Obama and doing her celebrity stuff. That's good, right? So we get the benefit of Palin's wit without having to put up with her as a candidate sure to lose. What's wrong with that plan?
Posted by: chemjeff at May 23, 2011 04:03 PM (7mSYS)
Posted by: JackStraw at May 23, 2011 04:03 PM (TMB3S)
Posted by: CoolCzech at May 23, 2011 04:03 PM (kUaEF)
Posted by: Caunotaucarius at May 23, 2011 04:04 PM (0SoSB)
I told you I'd be the judge of that. But, noooo, you morons would not pony up with the snaps of your kabooses. Prudes!
Posted by: Y-not at May 23, 2011 04:04 PM (pW2o8)
Posted by: beerologist at May 23, 2011 04:04 PM (w1GaM)
Yeah and so has most everyone else. You're confusing the fact that you have always cared to extend the fact that some/ many / of us only within a few years really started caring enough about primaries to get better primary results. Because we figured out that was where a big part of the problem was.
How is the party's fault? Would you like to run for office these days? You want your life, your families life, the life of everybody you know put through a proctological exam for 18 months?
Isn't that the reason we have a party? Isn't that what differentiates a party from a mere caucus is that the party is interested in candidates for winning elections, not just lashing together like minded pols into a legislative voting blocks?
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at May 23, 2011 04:04 PM (0q2P7)
And I saw it in theaters, man.
Yes, I was the one.
Posted by: ace at May 23, 2011 08:00 PM (nj1bB)
That was you? I just want his FXR. I already have assless chaps.
Posted by: Unclefacts Luxury-Yacht at May 23, 2011 04:04 PM (6IReR)
Posted by: ace at May 23, 2011 04:04 PM (nj1bB)
Sorry Ace, you can say a lot about Palin, but not that she's got the same treatment as any other candidate. Yes, all candidates get bad treatment, especially if they have an R after their name, but with Palin it's psychotic. She's the one who almost usurped the light bringer form his throne and that caused a lot of people to lose their fucking minds when it comes to her, the hatred towards her is about 1 million times more than any other candidate.
Posted by: booger at May 23, 2011 04:05 PM (9RFH1)
Palin is not considered above Obama in the ways we need her to be. But quite a bit below.
oddly enough that is one of the plotlines to Nailin Palin
Posted by: Ben at May 23, 2011 04:05 PM (DKV43)
But this time Bob Dole has boner pills so give Bob Dole another chance!
Posted by: Bob Dole! at May 23, 2011 04:05 PM (7mSYS)
Posted by: Supercore at May 23, 2011 07:59 PM (KESXl)
Reagan lost in 76. Things were different in 80.
As to if she can or if she will, who can say? I don't see why we can't let the primary voters decide up and down, and give the howling a rest for a while.
Posted by: Oldcat at May 23, 2011 08:02 PM (z1N6a)
Furthermore, to say Palin lost is to ignore the role of McCain in that debacle. If you really think 2008 was a head-to-head matchup of Palin and Obama, then perhaps she might have won if she had had a better running mate.
Posted by: stuiec at May 23, 2011 04:05 PM (Di3Im)
Posted by: JackStraw at May 23, 2011 08:03 PM (TMB3S)
Reagan was very good about Mocking the opponent. While it can't be all that, you can't not attack the opponent at all, either.
Posted by: Oldcat at May 23, 2011 04:05 PM (z1N6a)
Posted by: CoolCzech at May 23, 2011 04:05 PM (kUaEF)
Posted by: Ken at May 23, 2011 04:05 PM (dvQqE)
And to answer your question, if the county party came by and asked me to run for office (and pledged party support) hell yes I would do it.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at May 23, 2011 04:05 PM (0q2P7)
You think Palin writes those?
Posted by: Ben at May 23, 2011 07:58 PM (DKV43)
Why do you think you need to ask?
Posted by: Dave C at May 23, 2011 04:06 PM (Xus7V)
Posted by: mAc Chaos at May 23, 2011 04:06 PM (6s7n2)
Posted by: steevy at May 23, 2011 08:01 PM (m3WP2)
You will have to aske him, the war was still going, he didn't show up for it. By the time he was out of undergrad the lottery was in place so maybe he got a high number. He got out of undergrad the year I joined though so I know they were still accepting volunteers. My lottery number was 170, no way would I have ever been drafted.
Posted by: robtr at May 23, 2011 04:06 PM (MtwBb)
Posted by: ace at May 23, 2011 04:06 PM (nj1bB)
Well, if it is true that they are on the verge of finding a cure for HIV, they'll go back to having 2000 anonymous sex partners without protection a year and contract another untreatable fatal autoimmune disease. Some people never learn...
Posted by: Rabbi Bloody Mary at May 23, 2011 04:06 PM (zL6Hj)
There you go again, pretending wives like sex...Posted by: CoolCzech at May 23, 2011 04:07 PM (kUaEF)
Posted by: Joanie (Oven Gloves) at May 23, 2011 04:07 PM (y/+eD)
Time to watch the Bruins.
And for all the Palinistas out there, Bristol is an idiot who dates retards, and she is lousy at dancing. Yeah, I went there.
Bristol Palin is a lousy dancer - Fuck the world!
Posted by: swamp_yankee at May 23, 2011 04:07 PM (jOQSe)
Posted by: steevy at May 23, 2011 04:07 PM (m3WP2)
Neither Pawlenty nor Romney have what it takes to get this done. None of the other figures that have already declared have it. Everybody feels it- they don't have the magic.
Posted by: sartana at May 23, 2011 04:07 PM (/IW23)
Reagan lost in 76 against an incumbent Republican and still almost won. That set up an easy primary win in 80.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at May 23, 2011 04:07 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: ace at May 23, 2011 04:08 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Cherry π at May 23, 2011 04:08 PM (+sBB4)
And let's all come together on something we can agree on: Jeff B. is an asshole : )
Posted by: JP at May 23, 2011 04:08 PM (Ywlw2)
To mock you have to assume a position of superiority. That's what mocking is, poking fun at those lower than you.
This is why I got so pissed at the Correspondents Dinner.
Barack Obama mocking me?
Posted by: Donald Trump's Forehead Merkin at May 23, 2011 04:08 PM (hW57F)
Palin!
She's the Republican Obama. Which is to say, like Obama except not an American-hating socialist cretin.
Yeah, I'd vote for her in the generals. maybe in the primary too, depending.
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at May 23, 2011 04:09 PM (epBek)
Posted by: Rabbi Bloody Mary at May 23, 2011 04:09 PM (zL6Hj)
Posted by: steevy at May 23, 2011 04:09 PM (m3WP2)
Reagan was very good about Mocking the opponent. While it can't be all that, you can't not attack the opponent at all, either.
Now you tell me.
Posted by: John McCain, My Friends at May 23, 2011 04:09 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Ken at May 23, 2011 04:10 PM (dvQqE)
buzzion, it's more than occasionally. This is a Ron Paul level thing. It's actually worse, because Palin has a lot more supporters than Paul.
It's a simple question of reciprocity.
How many anti-Palin posts do I actually do, buzzion? Not many.
In comments, sure, but I keep it out of posts.
But is getting absurd. And if you think it's just me, it's not. Check Erick Erickson. This is getting fucking annoying, man.
Sarah Palin is 1, not the only candidate and 2, not the only news.
And most people here do not want to discuss her constantly. beedubya or whoever want to bring her up, good for them, most people are quite capable of ignoring them or maybe being willing to devote a few posts and moving on. Whether they can or not fine. And I don't read Erickson so I don't care. I know what I see here. And when a thread goes, well when it goes full-retard, its not typically because two or three of her fans are in the comments supporting her. Two critics though they can't help but not shut up though and then proceed to insult everyone else they can.
So yeah, she's not the only news so stop blowing up when one person is being a dick about it.
And if you think beedubya is the only dick around here today, I've got news for you, he's not. I didn't see him make a claim that is basically the "purity" wing is always at fault for ending up with at shitty candidate. Its never the moderates fault.
Posted by: buzzion at May 23, 2011 04:10 PM (oVQFe)
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Ooh, thanks for the reminder!
Time to get dinner on the table, too.
Posted by: Y-not at May 23, 2011 04:10 PM (pW2o8)
Posted by: mpfs at May 23, 2011 07:55 PM (3TjSM)
Oh, they are extra wicked today.
I got paint on them.
Posted by: CAC at May 23, 2011 04:10 PM (O3+7J)
I did. I said McCain was worse.
Posted by: nickless at May 23, 2011 04:10 PM (MMC8r)
Maybe so. But I think rationality is coming back to them. Besides O is his own worst enemy at this point. Far from being the uniter, he is becoming more and more condescending to the electorate; and the electorate is noticing.
Rational is how we win this fight. We get them to rationally accept they no longer want O as President, then we can emotionally drive them to conservatism.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at May 23, 2011 04:10 PM (0q2P7)
DIJONNAISE HATER!!! You are just anti-mustard! Why can't you handle a strong but principled condiment like dijonnaise??? The media is being way too unfair! Waa waawaa
Posted by: chemjeff at May 23, 2011 04:11 PM (7mSYS)
Posted by: ace at May 23, 2011 04:11 PM (nj1bB)
When?
And why wasn't this done before?
What is the big advantage in waiting?
Posted by: ace at May 23, 2011 08:04 PM (nj1bB)
I have a similar problem with a lot of the other candidates and critiques of Obama. Why aren't they doing anything now instead of waiting.
Contrary to your assumption about me, I'm no bot, ace. I think the only way we lose this race is if we get a candidate that won't fight hard, no matter what his policies. Romney's collapse in 2008, Pawlenty's mildness (until today), give me pause.
I'm just content to wait on the actual race to see what happens rather than tussle in a comment thread.
Posted by: Oldcat at May 23, 2011 04:11 PM (z1N6a)
Posted by: Ken at May 23, 2011 04:12 PM (dvQqE)
Posted by: ace at May 23, 2011 04:12 PM (nj1bB)
Listen to this man! He is smart! Bob Dole deserves your respect and your vote!
Posted by: Bob Dole! at May 23, 2011 04:12 PM (7mSYS)
Tim Pawlenty supported carbon caps, increased taxes on oil producers, supported ethanol and TARP, requested $450 million in earmarks in two years alone, plus endorsed McCain's re-election bid.
RINO!
Posted by: Hollowpoint at May 23, 2011 04:12 PM (WRW1S)
Posted by: mrp at May 23, 2011 04:12 PM (HjPtV)
I have to give her points for not backing down from the media onslaught. This woman has been savaged by the media and she refuses to retreat into obscurity. I agree that she should run. If she can take what the media will throw this round, then that's good enough for me. It means she will lead without sticking a finger in the air to see which way the wind is blowing. Also, I think this woman must be absolutely clean. If there was anything devastating in her closet, it would be exposed by now; and the person who did it would be a hero to the left the likes of which epic novels are written of.
Posted by: Havedash at May 23, 2011 04:13 PM (pQJ1M)
Palin is not considered above Obama in the ways we need her to be. But quite a bit below.
Posted by: ace at May 23, 2011 08:03 PM (nj1bB)
Don't teach the kiddies stuff that's just wrong, Ace. Mocking doesn't require superiority: it only requires recognition of the victim's foibles. The most effective mockers in the world are the pipsqueaks and geeks who are the lowest of the low in the high school social structure, but who can use their wit to cut down those above them just enough to deflect a beating or a humiliation.
Palin's comments about Obama's "Winning the Future" speech and its "WTF" moments are a good example of her ability to mock the supergenius Boy President. She did the same a day or so ago when she reminded an interviewer that Gingrich (another supergenius) once scolded her about slowing down before she spoke and thinking about what she was going to say and how it might be taken.
Posted by: stuiec at May 23, 2011 04:13 PM (Di3Im)
That set up an easy primary win in 80.
That was not a foregone conclusion.
Yeah, it wasn't until after the Nashua debate that he pulled ahead, but to be fair there was a much better field in the 1980 primaries than there is now.
Posted by: Ben at May 23, 2011 04:13 PM (DKV43)
I think if another female or male candidate who was a typical fat, ugly politician had the same record they wouldn't be in the running for dog catcher much less president. She looks good and obviously has some charisma. So did Barack Obama and look where that got us. I am done with American Idol candidates. Give me a boring wonkish candidate with some balls who can sell the Conservative agenda to the moderates a la Paul Ryan.
Palin's detractors force me to root for her and I think alot of us have backed her more than we would have because she has been unfairly attacked so relentlessly by the other side. Take that and her looks out of the equation and you end up with a fairly boilerplate candidate who spouts platitudes with no specifics. No sale for me.
Posted by: Ken Royall at May 23, 2011 04:13 PM (9zzk+)
just to throw a new curve into the discussion.
I cheered really loud for her when she came campaigning for MAC in '10. We gave her an incredibly warm welcome every time she comes here so it would not surprise me if she did decide to run here.
Posted by: ginaswo at May 23, 2011 04:13 PM (oBRAd)
Sure it is.
Remember how every '80s pop record with upmarket aspirations had a Reagan/Thatcher death dirge on it, to show it was serious? Establishing one's Palinhass is a similar credibility shibboleth/social nicety now.
Plus, some people are just...Sullivan-y.
Posted by: oblig. at May 23, 2011 04:14 PM (xvZW9)
Posted by: CoolCzech at May 23, 2011 04:14 PM (kUaEF)
Posted by: gary gulrud at May 23, 2011 04:14 PM (xKs9E)
Unbroke bloggers.
Unclear on the concept.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 23, 2011 04:14 PM (7utQ2)
Posted by: Ken Noonien Singh at May 23, 2011 04:14 PM (FYCiJ)
#358
I see what you did there.
When I wasn't looking at my next art project.
Take a wild, WILD guess what will be in it.
Take two big guesses.
Posted by: CAC at May 23, 2011 04:14 PM (O3+7J)
Posted by: Ben at May 23, 2011 04:15 PM (DKV43)
Posted by: steevy at May 23, 2011 08:09 PM (m3WP2)
I am not saying it was wrong. I'm saying if you want the job of sending young people to war and there just happened to be one going on when you were a young person in a nice tropical climate maybe you should have pulled your boots on and tried that war thing out.
Like I said, it's personal and I am a small minority that probably feel that way.
Posted by: robtr at May 23, 2011 04:15 PM (MtwBb)
Are you cool with this, Ace?
Posted by: Ken at May 23, 2011 08:12 PM (dvQqE)
Ken, are you really going to take that bait? You don't have to charge every red cape waved at you by a sniggering dumbass wanting to watch you dance.
Posted by: stuiec at May 23, 2011 04:15 PM (Di3Im)
@281: "So did Palin, but she lost."
Not exactly. McCain lost - Palin didn't run head-to-head against anyone.
Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at May 23, 2011 04:16 PM (xy9wk)
You'll be hearing from our legal department.
Posted by: Sarah (TM) and Bristol Palin (TM) Enterprises, Ltd. at May 23, 2011 04:16 PM (FYCiJ)
Are you cool with this, Ace?
Posted by: Ken at May 23, 2011 08:12 PM (dvQqE)
Levi isn't a retard?
Posted by: Unclefacts Luxury-Yacht at May 23, 2011 04:16 PM (6IReR)
Posted by: Damiano at May 23, 2011 04:17 PM (3nrx7)
Posted by: Jimi at May 23, 2011 04:17 PM (JMsOK)
Posted by: JackStraw at May 23, 2011 04:17 PM (TMB3S)
Ken, are you really going to take that bait? You don't have to charge every red cape waved at you by a sniggering dumbass wanting to watch you dance.
Posted by: stuiec at May 23, 2011 08:15 PM (Di3Im)
RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACIST!
Posted by: Unclefacts Luxury-Yacht at May 23, 2011 04:17 PM (6IReR)
Posted by: ace at May 23, 2011 07:58 PM (nj1bB)
I know it's bad form to throw tomatoes at the host, but you did not get five gold stars in "getting them to chillax" with this post. It was like gasoline on the fire.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at May 23, 2011 08:01 PM (bxiXv)
Yeah that's definitely true. You have often times been partially joining in this weekend. And this post is essentially giving them the signal for no quarter to be given.
So yeah I look forward to when the next thread will come about when the brown noise gets played constantly. Not.
Posted by: buzzion at May 23, 2011 04:17 PM (oVQFe)
That is absolutely true.
Reagan, Baker, Bush, Connally, Dole, Phil Crane....
Pretty good lineup there.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 23, 2011 04:17 PM (7utQ2)
In all honesty,who thinks Sarah Palin "lost" the election for McCain?It's all about the top of the ticket.Obama had a friggin retard as his veep for Chrissakes!!
I don't think that, but neither do I buy the oft repeated (by the Palin cheer squad) notion that if not for her and her alone, he'd have lost in an ultramega landslide. Ditto with the midterms.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at May 23, 2011 04:18 PM (WRW1S)
In the mid 1980s Tim Pawlenty acquired plutonium from the Libyan in return for a promise to make them a nuclear weapon, but instead he used to to make a time machine out of deloreon dm12
Posted by: Ben at May 23, 2011 04:18 PM (DKV43)
Posted by: chemjeff at May 23, 2011 04:19 PM (7mSYS)
palin is stupid and has a retart for a son. why dont you leave obama's children alone you racist wingnuts!
Posted by: bill at May 23, 2011 04:19 PM (qtCf6)
That's all I have to say about that. . . .
Posted by: logprof at May 23, 2011 04:19 PM (BP6Z1)
Posted by: Unclefacts Luxury-Yacht at May 23, 2011 04:19 PM (6IReR)
This is easy.
Posted by: Cherry π at May 23, 2011 04:20 PM (+sBB4)
Posted by: Ben at May 23, 2011 04:20 PM (DKV43)
I am not gonna ditch a candidate cuz of MFM coverage (they will crucify her as they did HRC for daring to run against Teh One), hell I am a Clinton Supporter, I am used to seeing thru the media lol.
But I think she would do better in AZ Senate, ANY Senate seat actually..
but I would LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE it if the GOP nominee announced their Cabinet right after taking the nomination as follows:
Sarah Palin, Sec of Energy- should be HUGE FOCUS, she could campaign and talk 24/7 allll about domestic energy, this is her wheelhouse
Paul Ryan, OMB Director, Budget Director,Treasury Secty pick one! (assumes not VEEP)
Herman Cain - Head of Small Business Administration
Tell the peeps what they will get when they sign on with Candidate X. This will unite the party and give multiple peeps to go on the campaign trail.
Posted by: ginaswo at May 23, 2011 04:20 PM (oBRAd)
Posted by: CoolCzech at May 23, 2011 08:05 PM (kUaEF)
Now that's a campaign strategy we can really get behind!
Posted by: Fox News Channel at May 23, 2011 04:20 PM (KI/Ch)
"What does she do to overcome that image now?"
Create a Gender War just the same as Obama created a Race War!
Posted by: Jimi at May 23, 2011 04:20 PM (JMsOK)
Posted by: Rabbi Bloody Mary
To be fair:
Popular primaries vote
Bob Dole - 9,024,742 (58.82%)
Pat Buchanan - 3,184,943 (20.76%)
Steve Forbes - 1,751,187 (11.41%)
Out of that pack, we're all picking Dole. That's how life is sometimes.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 23, 2011 04:21 PM (M8E6y)
Fixed that for ya, Ben
Posted by: Bob Dole! at May 23, 2011 04:21 PM (7mSYS)
Posted by: steevy at May 23, 2011 04:21 PM (m3WP2)
Out of that pack, we're all picking Dole. That's how life is sometimes.
actually I favored Steve Forbes
Posted by: chemjeff at May 23, 2011 04:22 PM (7mSYS)
Ken, are you really going to take that bait? You don't have to charge every red cape waved at you by a sniggering dumbass wanting to watch you dance.
Posted by:stuiecat May 23, 2011 08:15 PM (Di3Im)
racist messaging is hidden in there.
Posted by: CAC at May 23, 2011 04:22 PM (O3+7J)
Posted by: mAc Chaos at May 23, 2011 04:22 PM (6s7n2)
As ace always says, "then a miracle happens".
Posted by: lowandslow at May 23, 2011 04:22 PM (GZitp)
Posted by: CoolCzech at May 23, 2011 04:22 PM (kUaEF)
racist messaging is hidden in there.
Posted by: CAC at May 23, 2011 08:22 PM (O3+7J)
bro, SNIGGERING.
/self-denounce
Posted by: Unclefacts Luxury-Yacht at May 23, 2011 04:23 PM (6IReR)
Posted by: ace at May 23, 2011 08:12 PM (nj1bB)
Do you know which post I'm referring to. Moderate may be a poor word, but I needed something to differentiate from Purist. But that is the point. Its always the Purists fault for the crappy candidate, and no one elses. And that's just a load of shit to me.
Posted by: buzzion at May 23, 2011 04:23 PM (oVQFe)
Posted by: Ken at May 23, 2011 04:23 PM (dvQqE)
Posted by: Unclefacts Luxury-Yacht at May 23, 2011 04:24 PM (6IReR)
Posted by: ace at May 23, 2011 04:25 PM (nj1bB)
The best argument for Pawlenty is that he can probably lock in Minnesota's 10 electoral votes, and the way things are going we're going to need them. If we win the 2012 election, it's not going to be by much.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 23, 2011 04:25 PM (M8E6y)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 23, 2011 04:25 PM (7utQ2)
or, maybe, people support a 'boring' candidate like T-Paw because they actually like T-Paw?
sheesh why is it all a conspiracy?
Posted by: chemjeff at May 23, 2011 04:26 PM (7mSYS)
Posted by: Havedash at May 23, 2011 04:26 PM (pQJ1M)
Posted by: steevy at May 23, 2011 08:15 PM (m3WP2)
The proper term is
back breakingly bodacious breasts.
Posted by: CAC at May 23, 2011 04:26 PM (O3+7J)
Posted by: mAc Chaos at May 23, 2011 04:27 PM (6s7n2)
Posted by: bill at May 23, 2011 04:27 PM (qtCf6)
You are wrong about that. Dead wrong. Just take a look at his RCP average. It's at 52% approval. The public has seen his policy disaster close up for two years now and they still approve. Fight him solely on policy and we lose. There will have to be a non-traditional campaign waged to beat him.
Think "asymetrical warfare".
Posted by: sartana at May 23, 2011 04:27 PM (/IW23)
Posted by: Cherry π at May 23, 2011 04:27 PM (+sBB4)
bro, SNIGGERING.
/self-denounce
Posted by: Unclefacts Luxury-Yacht at May 23, 2011 08:23 PM (6IReR)
bro,
colorblindness. You might want to get tested or you will miss some extra snark.
For those of you playing at home, there are three different shades of green and red in this post.
Posted by: CAC at May 23, 2011 04:27 PM (O3+7J)
Enough said?
Posted by: bjwilson83 at May 23, 2011 08:26 PM (/5jiW)
feel free to share the link where you got it, and pulling it out of your ass doesn't count.
Posted by: Unclefacts Luxury-Yacht at May 23, 2011 04:28 PM (6IReR)
AND she raised TONS o'cash.
But, it took time and endless supply of guts and passion.
Now, Sarah has all three of those things.
Like she said, the trouble is, she DOES have the fire that gutless wonders like Daniels don;t.
Yeah, yeah, 'the family!' shxt folks, the peeps who fought the Revolution LOVED their families too, but we were in trouble.
We are in much WORSE trouble now, and Daniels, mr budget wonk KNOWS this better than most. but hey, he has his right? he can Golen Parachute to safety while the middle class goes extinct..
sorry but I would rather have a Big Dawg with a plan and the stomach for a fight, skeletons and all, (and a wife/partner who is prepared to fight for the country too AND take the hits that come with being married to said partner), rather than a Family Man who stands aside while the country burns down.
Okay back to your scheduled Sarahpalooza....
I mean Sarah knows her family will take hits, she has lived them, and STILL she is fighting NOT getting in, cuz hey she has the fire and loves the country. Does she love her family less than Mitch Daniels? of course not! IMO she loves the country more and really thinks she can make a difference.
But, I have more doubts now than I did before '10. I saw the impact the GOP leadership and pundits abandoning the candidate can have. (I still think seats were left on the table b/c some state party heads wouldnt play nice)
Posted by: ginaswo at May 23, 2011 04:28 PM (oBRAd)
The problem is in what the new definition of "center" has become. I know a lot of folks who consider themselves "centrist" who loves them lots of that good ol' socialism. They just call it something else.
Yeah, I'd say we're about 70% freeloaders.
Posted by: Ben at May 23, 2011 04:28 PM (DKV43)
umm, no. they are not afraid of Palin. they want her to run because they know it would be a train wreck.
I think quite frankly a lot of them are afraid of a guy like Gary Johnson because from the left's POV it is the crazy crazy SoCon nutjobs who turn off the rest of the country and Gary Johnson doesn't have that baggage
Posted by: chemjeff at May 23, 2011 04:28 PM (7mSYS)
This is actually tame compared to the Dancing With The Stars thread.
That's when I realized something was awry in C4P land. An adult joins a reality show and sucks hard, and your scumbag RINO if you notice.
Posted by: swamp_yankee at May 23, 2011 04:28 PM (jOQSe)
bro,
colorblindness. You might want to get tested or you will miss some extra snark.
For those of you playing at home, there are three different shades of green and red in this post.
Posted by: CAC at May 23, 2011 08:27 PM (O3+7J)
ZEE GERMANS?
Posted by: Unclefacts Luxury-Yacht at May 23, 2011 04:28 PM (6IReR)
Posted by: steevy at May 23, 2011 04:28 PM (m3WP2)
This came from a WSJ article (not in a DNA sorta way). Goggle still works right?
Posted by: Cherry π at May 23, 2011 04:29 PM (+sBB4)
What do her supporters have apart from a strong desire that what I say is false?
Posted by: ace at May 23, 2011 08:25 PM (nj1bB)
Why does anyone have to have anything?
No matter who wins the Ace of Spades Blog Primary, its Sarah Palin who decides if she runs, and the voters who decide the nominee and the final winner.
Posted by: Oldcat at May 23, 2011 04:29 PM (z1N6a)
I try to read as much as I can about the potential field and the candidates, but I'm no wonk, which means I'm open to opinons, arguments and commentary. I personally liked Palin after watching her first speech. The lambasting she took made me want to support her. (I dunno, maybe that's a male response...pretty woman under attack and all that.)
Anyways, I'm all about things like energy independance, protecting our borders, getting our damn checkbook in order, supporting our allies and crushing our enemies into the ground. If we like em enough, maybe we can influence the rebuilding phase later, but that's another discussion.
I don't get a lot of news from sites beyond the American Thinker, Pajama's Media, Blackfive, This Ain't Hell, Here, Hotair, Drudge and Fox. Mostly here, and Hot Air to be honest. Here's the deal. I WANT to have a working knowledge of our candidates, their pros and cons. I want to know if someone feels they're wishy-washy, or if they have the stones to stand firm on their beliefs and follow through with actions. If there's a questionable action, I'd like to be educated on the reasoning behind the action (I.e. the resignation of Governor for Palin) so I can make a decision as to whether or not it's a bridge too far.
I'm sure I've got my head in the clouds, but what I look for in a candidate is grit, determination, the will to make a decision and then support it 100%. Have an opionion and be open minded enough to listen to your advisors and make an educated decision on whatever matter is at hand. FDR , for all his failures had a great quote if I recall correctly." Speak softly and carry a big stick." I believe Pawlenty follows that school of thought.
If they support corrective measures, lowering taxes to boost economic growth, building that moat, adding in barbed wire and machine gun posts to keep the damn drug runners and gang warfare from spilling over into our country, I'll support them. If they tell our neighbor down south to get their shit together and keep their violence from spilling over into our country, I'll support them. If they support realistic energy programs, tapping into our untouched oil reserves and boosting nuclear energy, I'll support them. If they have a good grasp of economics or at least listen to those who are in the know and read those damn reports in order to make a good decision, I'll support them.
I don't care if they're pink, brown, purple, man, woman or insectoid overlords, if they know how to at least act like a leader, I'll listen to what they have to say.
Lastly, I just want to add one more thing. I viewed Palin's resignation as a questionable action. I listened to the reasoning behind it, decided it was valid reason, considering the amount of support she had in the state at the time. I've watched her other actions and wondered if it was an aberration or if she stands firm on her principles. My limited knowledge leans in that direction. That's why why I like her and others like her. I know that a lot of folks on here have gotten tired of Palinmania, and I'd like to think that I'm not a fanboy, but if all I hear are condemnations and attacks without some citations to follow through with, you're making it very difficult for myself at least to listen to your case for your particular candidate.
Just think for a second before clicking that post button is all I'm sayin'. It's no fun watching us eat our own 23/6.
Posted by: Dale in San Antonio (not Dave) at May 23, 2011 04:29 PM (8eoVW)
What do her supporters have apart from a strong desire that what I say is false?
Posted by: ace at May 23, 2011 08:25 PM (nj1bB)
duh, Ace you are OBVIOUSLY a leftist troll left hiding here undercover for the last 8 years to dupe everyone into thinking you are a conservative just so you could, at the right time, cite "evidence" and "facts" and "reality" to distract the sheeple from seeing that you are trying to ruin Sarah Palin and have been doing so for four years before she was even Governor of Alaska.
The truth is there.
Ron Pa
I mean SARAHPALIN!!!!
Posted by: CAC at May 23, 2011 04:30 PM (O3+7J)
Posted by: David at May 23, 2011 04:31 PM (4t9J5)
Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy at May 23, 2011 04:32 PM (tAoev)
Posted by: Ken at May 23, 2011 04:33 PM (dvQqE)
Think "asymetrical warfare".
Posted by: sartana at May 23, 2011 08:27 PM (/IW23)
For some reason every poll these days seem to believe there are at least 25% more democrats than republicans in the electoriate. Even Fox and Rassmussen.
The RCP Average has the AP poll which decided there were 45% more democrats than republicans.
If anyone would do a fair poll Obama would be in the low very low 40's. If they did a skewed poll to republicans like they do for democrats Obama would be in the low, very low 30's.
I don't know why republicans aren't calling out these polling firms, they are nothing but propoganda these days.
Posted by: robtr at May 23, 2011 04:33 PM (MtwBb)
A little off topic but what is with this? If we can buy energy cheaper then we can produce it here what's so important about energy independence?
Posted by: lowandslow at May 23, 2011 04:34 PM (GZitp)
You won't even give her credit for the good things she does. I do not understand the vitriol.
Posted by: real joe at May 23, 2011 04:34 PM (w7Lv+)
That's not the thread, the thread where beedubya got to be a dick was the one about "Two People Have Claimed This Stupid Thing."
Posted by: ace at May 23, 2011 08:06 PM (nj1bB)
You seem to be conflating beedubya being a total schmuck about Pawlenty with him being a Palinista. Could be his dislike of Pawlenty stems from other sources. (There's no law requiring anyone to like Pawlenty, and I bet a lot of people dislike both him and Palin.)
I thought beedubya's comments about Pawlenty were nasty and -- worse -- boringly repetitive. But he did say one thing I wholeheartedly agree with:
I am fucking pissed as hell at the shit our side gives her for pretty much the same reason I am for those like Gingrich and that little twat Scott Brown slamming Ryan and his plans.
Palin is a fucking force, whether you like her or not, especially because she is one of the very few to stand up for conservative principles and has the fucking balls to take it to the left. Trashing her only marginalizes her...and helps to do the same to the ideas she espouses.
It's an Alinsky tactic. Rule #12: RULE 12: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it." Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy.
...and there are too many on our side joining in....and this only galvanizes the left.
From what I read, not many here disagree with her substantively on the issues.
Oooooh...but Tina Fey said she said she could see Russia from her house...and she has a nasally voice
Posted by: stuiec at May 23, 2011 04:35 PM (Di3Im)
Enough said?
Posted by: bjwilson83 at May 23, 2011 08:26 PM (/5jiW)
feel free to share the link where you got it, and pulling it out of your ass doesn't count.
Posted by: Unclefacts Luxury-Yacht at May 23, 2011 08:28 PM (6IReR)
He said it. No matter what else you want to say about it. That is true. Its also true that he says he was quoting another person, and doesn't actually agree with it. The information I found yesterday had that the original article had to issue a clarification to it, and that what he was trying to say was that government has to be more effective and active. And most of the original quote is what I find a bit less likeable. Since he talks about a more aggressive and pro-active government.
Posted by: buzzion at May 23, 2011 04:35 PM (oVQFe)
Posted by: lowandslow at May 23, 2011 08:34 PM (GZitp)
So that we don't have to rely on the good will of others? I mostly agree, but this is kind of a special case. We wouldn't want to depend on other folks to make our guns bombs and planes for us, would we?
Posted by: FUBAR at May 23, 2011 04:36 PM (1fanL)
When prostitutes are starting out they are told not the let john's take them to abandoned warehouses or the Minnesota governors mansion.
Posted by: Ben at May 23, 2011 04:36 PM (DKV43)
Posted by: Cherry π at May 23, 2011 04:37 PM (+sBB4)
Posted by: lowandslow at May 23, 2011 08:34 PM (GZitp)
Remember the Arab oil boycott of 1973-1974?
Some things you need to have on hand in case your ordinary sources of supply dry up. And some things it's better to rely on yourself for than to be dependent on the good graces of others.
Posted by: stuiec at May 23, 2011 04:37 PM (Di3Im)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at May 23, 2011 04:38 PM (mHQ7T)
So where are they? All the mindless Palinbots, I mean.
I'm seeing a few sticking up for her, but most of the comments are just mocking and denigration (not that there's anything wrong with that).
Posted by: Mr Natural at May 23, 2011 04:40 PM (u8baz)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at May 23, 2011 04:40 PM (mHQ7T)
It's an Alinsky tactic. Rule #12: RULE 12: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it." Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy.
...and there are too many on our side joining in....and this only galvanizes the left.
Yeah, that's the problem I have with the Palin Bashers, well that and one of them is pussy whipped.
I can't figure out all the hate. If she runs she will either win or lose and she will ding Obama in the prossess and draw fire from the media from the other candidates.
I for the life of me can't figure out why that is a problem for people.
Posted by: robtr at May 23, 2011 04:40 PM (MtwBb)
Posted by: Ken at May 23, 2011 04:40 PM (dvQqE)
Then plan for that but buy cheap when you can right?
Posted by: lowandslow at May 23, 2011 04:42 PM (GZitp)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at May 23, 2011 08:36 PM (mHQ7T)
You know why that meme doesn't fly anymore? Because she kept up her pressure on the Left after she left office. A quitter would have retired to a quiet existence away from political commentary and activism, where she wouldn't be in the path of the firehose of raw sewage the Left (and more than a few on the Right) have constantly trained on her.
Like Obi-wan Kenobi: they struck her down from the Governorship of Alaska only to see her rise up and become powerful on a national scale. Looks to me like she quit to take a political promotion.
Posted by: stuiec at May 23, 2011 04:43 PM (Di3Im)
Sarah Palin was treated unfairly by many the press and the entertainment industry, and they have been awful to her.
But instead of redirecting their counter-attacks on those who truly damaged Sarah Palin and her brand, the aforementioned culprits, the cult followers at C4P created these wild fantasies about "establishment" Republicans and Republican"elites", and re-directed their vitriol at everyone that isn't 100% on board with Sarah Palin as the next Ronald Reagan bandwagon including ---- Mitch Daniels supporters, Mike Pence supporters, Mike Huckabee supporters, Haley Barbour supporters, Tim Pawlenty supporters, and Mitt Romney supporters ----
Few have done more to tear down other GOP candidates than Palin loyalists, yet they always play the victim. Everything is some mythical establishment conspiracy because not everyone is falling in line with the 'Sarah Palin as 2012 GOP savior' narrative.
Posted by: swamp_yankee at May 23, 2011 04:43 PM (jOQSe)
Posted by: Uncle Jimbo at May 23, 2011 08:37 PM (73Rta)
WTF? Really?
Posted by: lowandslow at May 23, 2011 04:44 PM (GZitp)
Posted by: Bob Dole! at May 23, 2011 08:32 PM (7mSYS)
I really, really lolled at that one.
Plaid hat is off to you.
And my plaid pants as well.
Posted by: CAC at May 23, 2011 04:44 PM (O3+7J)
Posted by: real joe at May 23, 2011 04:45 PM (w7Lv+)
Posted by: lowandslow at May 23, 2011 08:42 PM (GZitp)
Look at the national Strategic Petroleum Reserve and how it's continually being exploited for political purposes. The first sign of a spike in prices at the gas pump and politicians call for tapping the reserve. It's an inadequate program for ensuring our access to oil in times of true crisis.
Posted by: stuiec at May 23, 2011 04:45 PM (Di3Im)
Posted by: Ken at May 23, 2011 04:45 PM (dvQqE)
FDR: Speak softly and carry a big stick.
Teddy. It was Teddy.
Posted by: davisbr at May 23, 2011 08:44 PM (uCShA)
It was Bob Dole!
Posted by: Bob Dole and his Big Stick at May 23, 2011 04:46 PM (Di3Im)
I have evidence for this.
Posted by: Cherry π at May 23, 2011 04:46 PM (+sBB4)
Posted by: Dan at May 23, 2011 04:47 PM (mXBxH)
Posted by: Ken at May 23, 2011 04:47 PM (dvQqE)
So where are they? All the mindless Palinbots, I mean.
I'm seeing a few sticking up for her, but most of the comments are just mocking and denigration (not that there's anything wrong with that).
Posted by: Mr Natural at May 23, 2011 08:40 PM (u8baz)
____
Spend some quality time at Hotair, Redstate and most other conservative sites.
Posted by: swamp_yankee at May 23, 2011 04:48 PM (jOQSe)
Posted by: steevy at May 23, 2011 04:48 PM (m3WP2)
Posted by: RoadRunner at May 23, 2011 04:49 PM (oJln5)
Posted by: JackStraw at May 23, 2011 04:49 PM (TMB3S)
Spend some quality time at Hotair, Redstate and most other conservative sites.
Posted by: swamp_yankee at May 23, 2011 08:48 PM (jOQSe)
Then attack them there, if they exist, instead of here, where I find them hard to spot.
Posted by: Oldcat at May 23, 2011 04:50 PM (z1N6a)
Posted by: Dan at May 23, 2011 04:50 PM (mXBxH)
Posted by: Ken at May 23, 2011 04:50 PM (dvQqE)
Posted by: Cherry π at May 23, 2011 04:53 PM (+sBB4)
Sarah is my favorite because The Dead Miss Emily ( poke my link ) loved her...
That said, I will vote for anyone Teh Stupid Party nominates.
We have got to get rid of 0'bongo before he wrecks this country- and we are well on the way to that...
Posted by: backhoe at May 23, 2011 04:53 PM (0bk6W)
Posted by: Cherry π at May 23, 2011 08:53 PM (+sBB4)
The first 175 responses.
Posted by: Oldcat at May 23, 2011 04:54 PM (z1N6a)
Allah only used to be funny. Ace can still be hilarious.
Posted by: MCPO Airdale at May 23, 2011 04:54 PM (FAyWo)
Look at the national Strategic Petroleum Reserve and how it's continually being exploited for political purposes. The first sign of a spike in prices at the gas pump and politicians call for tapping the reserve. It's an inadequate program for ensuring our access to oil in times of true crisis.
Posted by: stuiec
at May 23, 2011 08:45 PM (Di3Im)
What are we supposed to do? Are main supply is in Alaska and in deep water and it just costs more to produce there, so what's the urgency if we can buy it cheaper. Besides I don't even know if it's possible.
Don't get me wrong, we should definitely be making the U.S. and it's coast the place producers want to be. It would help all around but this notion of complete independence I don't think is ever going to happen.
Posted by: lowandslow at May 23, 2011 04:54 PM (GZitp)
Posted by: JackStraw at May 23, 2011 08:49 PM (TMB3S)
Meh, I don't read C4P so maybe I am out of the loop. I don't see that happening alot around here, in fact I see the exact opposite.
Posted by: robtr at May 23, 2011 04:55 PM (MtwBb)
There is only one retard in the extended Palin family - that methhead, closeted hillbilly homo Levi.
Trig has Downs Syndrome.
Posted by: swamp_yankee at May 23, 2011 04:55 PM (jOQSe)
Palin one of very few. Not T-Paw , not Fat cristie .
Posted by: Temper Tantrum at May 23, 2011 04:55 PM (bAL0J)
ALINSKY RULE 10: "If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive.
I think the haters are just about to turn the corner.
Posted by: Cherry π at May 23, 2011 04:56 PM (+sBB4)
What are we supposed to do? Are main supply is in Alaska and in deep water and it just costs more to produce there, so what's the urgency if we can buy it cheaper. Besides I don't even know if it's possible.
That's not true for one thing, there are billions of barrels in Anwar alone. As for the urgency, I would rather Americans have the jobs producing that oil and the money going to both our government and companies rather than sending $700 Billion a year overseas.
Posted by: robtr at May 23, 2011 04:58 PM (MtwBb)
Palin one of very few. Not T-Paw , not Fat cristie .
Exactly.
If she decides to run, and actually gets the nomination, I just hope all the haters will support her instead of staying home to hand the election to Barky.
Posted by: real joe at May 23, 2011 05:00 PM (w7Lv+)
Posted by: sartana at May 23, 2011 05:00 PM (/IW23)
"She ran. She hid. By not confronting them, by moving to safer shoals and out of office, she let them win.
So now we have a candidate who does not stand up for herself TO the media. Snarking on FaceBook and twitter and on Greta is not standing up TO them. That is merely criticizing them from a distance.
Posted by: ace at May 23, 2011 08:25 PM "
To say Palin "hid" when she has been the one coming out strong in the most effective manner against Obama - what?! Everyone uses Facebook and Twitter to get their messages out now - T-Paw did today. Obama and every other politician uses social media to communicate.
Palin is no coward. Remember "Death Panels"? How about when she stood alongside Gov Brewer when Arizona was under attack? - that's why Gov Brewer has her back now. I don't recall Sarah backing down after she was blamed for the Tucson shooting. Sarah rallied the Tea Party when the MSM called them racist extremists and her endorsements were a big factor in the 2010 mid-terms (most of them won). She went to Wisconsin this past April and delivered a rousing "Game On!" speech in the heart of the lefties' ground zero despite receiving threats. In her Wisconsin speech, she took on Obama, the Left, and the media.
Her Israel post today on Facebook shredded Obama. Let's see what the other GOP wannabes have to say on Israel and if they can lay it out as brilliantly as she did in her post.
It's ok if you don't like her but I think it's unfair to say she "hid" from anything.
Posted by: derised1 at May 23, 2011 05:03 PM (xI4NA)
Posted by: JackStraw at May 23, 2011 05:03 PM (TMB3S)
Posted by: mAc Chaos at May 23, 2011 05:04 PM (6s7n2)
Posted by: ace at May 23, 2011 08:08 PM (nj1bB)
Srsly? You really said that?
Posted by: Steph at May 23, 2011 05:04 PM (AkdC5)
Posted by: Bob Dole! at May 23, 2011 05:05 PM (7mSYS)
Posted by: Cherry π at May 23, 2011 05:06 PM (+sBB4)
Posted by: JackStraw at May 23, 2011 09:03 PM (TMB3S)
that's bullshit, I just said I don't like Romney because he dodged the draft. It doesn't have a frigging thing to do with Palin.
Of the three you posted only one was against another candidate and that was for a specific reason.
I don't think you can blame Palin for someone not liking T Paw, Christie or Romney. Shit I have a problem with Christies gun rights posistions, a big problem.
I guess that makes me a palinista.
Posted by: robtr at May 23, 2011 05:09 PM (MtwBb)
Srsly? You really said that?
Posted by: Steph at May 23, 2011 09:04 PM (AkdC5)
Funny isn't it Steph. I bet you'd be in agreement with me on who ace should actually direct that sort of statement at.
Posted by: buzzion at May 23, 2011 05:09 PM (oVQFe)
Posted by: Dan at May 23, 2011 05:10 PM (mXBxH)
Posted by: Genetic Tunder at May 23, 2011 05:11 PM (dbYHP)
Posted by: Dan at May 23, 2011 05:13 PM (mXBxH)
Posted by: JackStraw at May 23, 2011 05:14 PM (TMB3S)
But that's not a justification, really, it's an excuse. I'll dial it back in a major way from now on. I won't simply censor myself, and if people continue to bang the drum for Palin then I will occasionally respond (but politely this time).
I'm not perfect and I realize that. I know I can be a bit of a flame warrior at times, and that's on me, not on the people I'm responding to. "Paper," for example, makes many of the same points I do, except infinitely more calmly. I'll try to follow his example from now on.
Posted by: Jeff B. at May 23, 2011 05:15 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: Ace's Panties in a Bunch at May 23, 2011 05:15 PM (H0dXA)
Posted by: Genetic Tunder at May 23, 2011 05:17 PM (dbYHP)
"America's Ruling Class -- And the Perils of Revolution" LINK
Posted by: mrp at May 23, 2011 05:18 PM (HjPtV)
Posted by: Genetic Tunder at May 23, 2011 05:19 PM (dbYHP)
Posted by: Genetic Tunder at May 23, 2011 05:21 PM (dbYHP)
>> I'm not perfect and I realize that. I know I can be a bit of a flame warrior at times.
Shut up RINO.
*ducks, heh.
Posted by: Dave in Texas at May 23, 2011 05:23 PM (Wh0W+)
Posted by: Jeff B. at May 23, 2011 09:15 PM (hIWe1)
Really I dragged your girlfriend into this buddy? You really want to go with that claim? That I'm the one to bring up your girlfriend? Really? Really?
Yeah whatever. I went over the line and called her a bitch. When clearly she's a saint for putting up with you.
Posted by: buzzion at May 23, 2011 05:24 PM (oVQFe)
Posted by: moviegique at May 23, 2011 05:25 PM (Cepxj)
Posted by: TheGarbone at May 23, 2011 05:26 PM (KUjSN)
Posted by: Genetic Tunder at May 23, 2011 05:26 PM (dbYHP)
Posted by: K~Bob at May 23, 2011 05:26 PM (3nX/9)
Posted by: Genetic Tunder at May 23, 2011 05:29 PM (dbYHP)
Yeah, like that crack about her having a retard in her belly. Real nice, real measured, rational debate on the merits.
Posted by: real joe at May 23, 2011 05:31 PM (w7Lv+)
I should have been able to tell an interesting personal anecdote for the sake of starting a discussion (and look again at my original post: it's not flame-y, it's not in attack-mode, it's an attempt to broach a serious subject in a thoughtful tone) without having Palin fans attack me (and them) in the most hatefully offensive terms. How can anyone disagree with that? THAT is the moment where I really conceived a near-hatred for the Palinistas that haunt this site. Maybe that's not quite fair on a logical level (since many of them never engaged in that crap, no doubt), but it's certainly an understandable leap in logic. What kind of man WOULDN'T take offense in that situation? What kind of a man could be okay with that and still call himself a man? Please: think about that question honestly.
But again, my overarching point is that using that as an excuse for perpetual flamewar outrage is, at the end of the day, just that: an excuse. So I'm making a promise to dial it back. Now I'd really like it if people like you and Beedubya and others could also drop the nasty personal attacks against THEM (you can attack me all you want, I'm an adult) as well. But failing that I'll still go for a bit of unilateral disarmament. Because it's the right thing to do.
Is there anything I've written here that you object to?
Posted by: Jeff B. at May 23, 2011 05:32 PM (hIWe1)
Meh, whatever. If Palin does run she will be the Art of War candidate. She'll draw more fire than a Jolly Green hovering over a crash site. She will either survive that or not but she will force the media and Obama to deal with her while the other candidates can have a fairly free ride.
If she decides to put herself up for that it's a good thing for us IMO>
Posted by: robtr at May 23, 2011 05:33 PM (MtwBb)
My wife has left me. My dog ran in front of a car to get away from me. I lost my job because I'm too busy whacking off 54 times a day to Sarah's picture and blogging at C4P all day.
My handle is Gary4205 in case you want to see my book reports I did on "Going Rouge." I also have a small, my ex-wife called it a shrine, but I call devotion.
If you don't agree with me it's because your candidate is a ball-less man with no spine unlike Sarah.
Sarah. Sarrrrrrah.
Um, I gotta go. Picture calling
Posted by: My Vision of A Typical Nistas Anonymous Mtg at May 23, 2011 05:33 PM (VxqUc)
Funny isn't it Steph. I bet you'd be in agreement with me on who ace should actually direct that sort of statement at.
Posted by: buzzion at May 23, 2011 09:09 PM (oVQFe)
I was accused with such vitriol by people here last night totally unwarranted. Personally, I don't give a shit who doesn't like Palin, but I see no reason why I can't have an opinion about other candidates and voice that opinion without being treated like some kind of damn leper.
Almost every single person that comments here has a preferred candidate or is leaning towards one. They all have their opinions, but it is only ones that are Palin supporters that get treated like fucking dirt, and get lambasted for their opinions of other candidates. Most times when I comment about Palin, it's because certain people are such asswipes about her, or if I think her record is being lied about.
Just like this damn thread. It was totally uncalled for.
Posted by: Steph at May 23, 2011 05:36 PM (AkdC5)
Incidentally, I really don't understand how you could have written the above if you had actually read my post. Because as I said "(due to one unfortunate comment one day by me and a follow-up post by Ace)." In other words, I fully acknowledge that I volunteered this anecdote from my personal life. Which of course is how it became fodder for these attacks.
But I didn't do anything terrible by volunteering those stories. Nothing at all. It wasn't an offensive point to make. It shouldn't have triggered the attacks that it did. There really can't be any dispute about that. So yes, the people who immediately started name-calling and offensive sock-puppeting in order to attack and humiliate me and them...they're the ones that "dragged" them into this. If you're still so consumed with your anger and dislike for me that you can't see that, then there's nothing more to say.
Posted by: Jeff B. at May 23, 2011 05:38 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: TheGarbone at May 23, 2011 05:43 PM (KUjSN)
It's one thing to disagree with Palin. What I don't like is how so many people are starting to use the left's false arguments and smears against her. Or just standing back and not setting the record straight when the left tries to lie about her like they would and should with any other conservative.
If you don't want her to be the nominee, fine, but she's still part of the team.
Her hardcore supporters aren't. That's the point.
Know who's doing most of the "smears" against those on "the team"? The Palinbots. The same ones, over and over, against any potential candidate not named "Sarah Palin".
Point out that in some cases, Palin herself was in many of the same regards an imperfect conservative on some issues, and you're a RINO "hater" who is using "the left's false arguments". Make the case why you think she can't beat Obama, you're "letting the MSM and or establishment elite choose our candidate" motivated by either sexism or being a stealth moderate.
Too many of her hardcore supporters seem uninterested in actually beating Obama; what's appears to be more important to them is validating their admiration for Palin by seeing her win the primary. After that, fuck it- mission accomplished.
Did Pawlenty flip-flop on cap and trade? Yep, he sure did- publicly admitted it too. If that's a dealbreaker for you, so be it. Just don't pretend your preferred candidate isn't similarly flawed.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at May 23, 2011 05:43 PM (WRW1S)
Posted by: curious at May 23, 2011 05:45 PM (k1rwm)
If you dare say something like, "I like her in the role she is in - she can make libs heads explode for decades! If she runs she's out in eight. I'd rather her be a senior stateswoman for years and years and get filthy rich and enjoy herself in the process."
[which is the gist is what I wrote one time on a blog and I got trashed and hounded for two months over that. I didn't trash her but since I didn't say she didn't need a veep because she could do both jobs, etc. I was some kind of Palin basher.]
So my philosophy is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.
You're reaping what you sowed, Nistas. Own it bitches.
Oh yeah, and most of ya'll can eff off. (Since that was said to me too)
Posted by: Nora Trane at May 23, 2011 05:45 PM (VxqUc)
Just awful. Awful! Why, I've never seen another candidate treated so! Except for... every other candidate, by the people decrying such treatment of Palin.
THANK YOU. Finally, you're coming around, Ace.
The Palin cultists are the biggest fucking hypocrites out there on the right.
Posted by: Vyceroy at May 23, 2011 05:46 PM (a/dfF)
I was accused with such vitriol by people here last night totally unwarranted. Personally, I don't give a shit who doesn't like Palin, but I see no reason why I can't have an opinion about other candidates and voice that opinion without being treated like some kind of damn leper.
Go back and read your comments if you want to know why it seems like you're being singled out. I'll leave it at that in a rare show of graciousness.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at May 23, 2011 05:47 PM (WRW1S)
Posted by: TheGarbone at May 23, 2011 05:47 PM (KUjSN)
The person who irons Pawlenty's Spiderman underoos is probably thinking the same thing...
Posted by: Eleventieth Imam at May 23, 2011 05:48 PM (JEvSn)
Posted by: curious at May 23, 2011 09:45 PM (k1rwm)
curious, that's the same guy who's manuscript was released a few weeks ago, and he couldn't get a publisher. He now has an ethics complaint against him for using emails that are considered state property. He wrote the book wioth a known palinhater from AK.
It's bullshit.
Posted by: Steph at May 23, 2011 05:48 PM (AkdC5)
Posted by: chemjeff at May 23, 2011 05:49 PM (i/7Kr)
Just wait until she announces.. BOOOOOMMMMMM... The interwebs will be on fire... Get the marshmallows and popcorn....
Mostly from the left wing websites who's readers will be on their hands and knees praying to a God they don't believe in that she wins the nomination.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at May 23, 2011 05:49 PM (WRW1S)
Go back and read your comments if you want to know why it seems like you're being singled out. I'll leave it at that in a rare show of graciousness.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at May 23, 2011 09:47 PM (WRW1S)
Oh, I know exactly what I said, and it was in direct response to your asinine comments which are a daily occurance for you.
Posted by: Steph at May 23, 2011 05:50 PM (AkdC5)
And thank you for proving our point Nista
Posted by: See Nista Anonymous Mtg Post Above at May 23, 2011 05:51 PM (VxqUc)
On a certain level, don't we want a candidate who has a cultlike following a la Obamabots of 2008?
A candidate with 30 million cultlike followers? Yes. A candidate with 3 million cultlike followers and 80 million people who'd never vote for her? No.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at May 23, 2011 05:53 PM (WRW1S)
I really worry that the dms/libs have people all over the blogs establishing themselves as credible posters but trying to influence the republican/conservative political process. Lately I've wanted to ask people "are you a lib in disguise" based on some of the stuff that has been said. Igave this link to some of my friends and one of them said "you got a lot of libs on there for a conservative blog". He maintained that you can hear it if you listen (read) carefully enough. Makes you wonder.
I'm listening to the third radio program today where the host is saying that huntsman and romney and others are trying to get the "anointment" from bush and rove in maine. One of the hosts expressed outright disdain for these tactics preferring the people to make the choice. Seems dick morris is seeing this too. There's definitely lots of fractures in the republican party.
I'll tell you, I didn't like daniels cause I was told he was GWB's guy and I won't vote for anyone who is from the old school or part of the dynasty. So, I'm really hoping they pick mittens and I can just write in mickey mouse
Posted by: curious at May 23, 2011 05:53 PM (k1rwm)
Just awful. Awful! Why, I've never seen another candidate treated so! Except for... every other candidate, by the people decrying such treatment of Palin.
Sorry but that is the most ridiculous thing ace has posted that I have seen.
Maybe someone can tell me the last candidate that has had her down syndrome son mocked relentlesly, had major media publications accusing her of not really having her down syndrome son, had David Letterman make jokes about their 14 year old daughter having sex with Alex Rodrigous, had countless national interviews with the ex boyfriend of a candidates teen age daughter, had a porn movie created for them and get major media coverage of it. I could go on but I think you get the point.
That was just a flat out lie by ace, I would have said so earlier but I didn't see it.
It's bullshit, if I am wrong let me know but I have been following politics for quite awhile.
Posted by: robtr at May 23, 2011 05:54 PM (MtwBb)
That was just a flat out lie by ace, I would have said so earlier but I didn't see it.
It's bullshit, if I am wrong let me know but I have been following politics for quite awhile.
Perhaps you missed this part:
Remember, it's just so awful how other Republicans treat Palin. It's just awful, the things they say. The lies, the half-truths, the use of foul language like the c-word.
The smears you cited aren't coming from other Republicans.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at May 23, 2011 05:58 PM (WRW1S)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at May 23, 2011 05:58 PM (WRW1S)
If you missed it then fine. Most haven't. Hardcore Palin fans have every right to like her and tear down other candidates if they want. And they have been doing it for months, here and around the rightosphere. They have turned the comments at Hot Air into an unreadable, monolithic Palin fest and those RINOs who don't profess undying love have been driven out.
Not all of us. I'm still there. And I will remain there, because I'm not letting those cocksuckers run me off. But at this point, half of my posts are just trolling creepy little bastards like "unseen" over there.
Posted by: Vyceroy at May 23, 2011 05:59 PM (a/dfF)
Posted by: real joe at May 23, 2011 06:00 PM (w7Lv+)
Too fucking late for that.
Posted by: real joe at May 23, 2011 06:00 PM (w7Lv+)
Posted by: Steph at May 23, 2011 06:01 PM (AkdC5)
Oh don't bother Steph. Clearly the only reason you like Palin is because you want to bone her.
That's the only reason
No others possible, afterall that's basically what Hollowpoint implied to another commenter today.
Btw if this is true and that is why you do like her, and she agrees, can I watch?
Posted by: buzzion at May 23, 2011 06:04 PM (oVQFe)
Posted by: JackStraw at May 23, 2011 06:05 PM (TMB3S)
Remember, it's just so awful how other Republicans treat Palin. It's just awful, the things they say. The lies, the half-truths, the use of foul language like the c-word.
The smears you cited aren't coming from other Republicans.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at May 23, 2011 09:58 PM (WRW1S)
I didn't say they were genius, I was responding to ace's idiotic comment that Palin didn't get treated any worse than any other candidate by the media.
Now that you brought it up though. You want to talk about how Palin was treated by McCains campaign aides after the election? didn't think so.
Posted by: robtr at May 23, 2011 06:05 PM (MtwBb)
The voters lowered the standard in the last election. We can only go up from here. Whoever is left standing at the end of the GOP primary is the person I'm voting for.
Posted by: fused at May 23, 2011 06:06 PM (LawKN)
Context is sort of lost isn't it?
Steph, the charges in this post, they were all made by a Palin fan and thrown at Pawlenty (see Two People Claimed post, beedubya comments). Even when his false assertion about Pawlenty saying Sarah should have apologized for the "map!" was refuted, it's just "he's a cunt, he's a pussy"
You know. "Discourse!"
Now, I know everybody didn't do this. But he did, and others do and it's at least as stupid as the nonsensical ravings thrown at Palin.
Isn't it?
Is to me.
My knock on Palin is simple. She has negatively polarized too much of the electorate against her, and she doesn't have the political skill or the time to reverse it. That's it. I'm not callin her stupid, or whiny, or anything else.
Posted by: Dave in Texas at May 23, 2011 06:11 PM (Wh0W+)
-He lied us into war to make profits for his oil buddies.
-A major network knowingly published a false document because it was "fake but accurate".
-He's a dry drunk.
-He's drinking again.
-His daughters are out of control party animals.
-He knew about 9/11.
-He was in on 9/11.
-He stole the election.
-He hated black people and that's why he didn't help after Katrina.
I also could go on but I think you get the point.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 23, 2011 10:05 PM (TMB3S)
Those were attacks against Bush except for the limited ones against his daughter after one of them got arrested for a minor in posession.
I missed the part where they accused Bush of not being the father, David letterman saying baseball players were fucking his minor children, the bush porn tape or countless interviews with someone one of his daughters dated.
They tried to attack his kids and it was shut down as soon as it started.
Clinton was attacked for things he did or was percieved he did but they didn't go after his kid.
I don't see the moral equivelence here but maybe you do, or want to.
Posted by: robtr at May 23, 2011 06:12 PM (MtwBb)
Rush said that the attack against Palin is unprecedented in his experience. He is not perfect, but at least he knows what he is talking about. Anyway, just look at Paul Ryan. The left is trying to Palinize him now. It is bad enough when the Rep party may abandon his plan for fear of electoral disaster and the MSM onslaught. It is worse to have someone like Newt actively sabotaging his plan. Ryan is someone we can get excited about. I hope he runs. If not, Palin should get in and defend his plan and take it to Obama as she has been doing. She doens't need to "attack" other candidates at all. Continue to come up with "stupid" catch phrases like "death panels" or reuse Newt 's "food stamp president". Since she is a known quitter, the supporters of other candidates shouldn't have anything to worry about. She will quit before the primary is over under the heat from the Rove wing of the Rep party.
Posted by: LAI at May 23, 2011 06:13 PM (gDhR9)
Posted by: JackStraw at May 23, 2011 06:15 PM (TMB3S)
Seriously, Hollowpoint is a perfect example of this kind of stuff! They want to call Palin 's name, then go ahead. But don't get overexcited when Tpaw or someone else is criticized.
Posted by: LAI at May 23, 2011 06:18 PM (gDhR9)
now i know why more and more people are saying "f**ck it, let the country fall off a cliff and then maybe they will admit Ryan and Rand Paul were going in the right direction." Nice of major garrett to compare the new republicans to the failed barry goldwater.
Posted by: curious at May 23, 2011 06:22 PM (k1rwm)
Dude, this is nothing, just wait and see what the MFM will do.
The nominee better be able to take it as well as dish it or we will have no chance.
Posted by: Sugar Tits Bimbo of the clan McBimbo at May 23, 2011 06:24 PM (JEvSn)
Posted by: JackStraw at May 23, 2011 06:28 PM (TMB3S)
Btw if this is true and that is why you do like her, and she agrees, can I watch?
Posted by: buzzion at May 23, 2011 10:04 PM (oVQFe)
Sorry, it don't be like that.
Posted by: Steph at May 23, 2011 06:33 PM (AkdC5)
Posted by: Fresh out of Sock Puppets at May 23, 2011 06:37 PM (JEvSn)
You might want to take some of your own advice. You seem to have a derogatory nickname for other Republican candidates, mittens is one you use a lot, does this mean its ok to call Palin names like Sugar Tits of Bimbo? I've never seen fans of other candidates do that but Palin fans love to dig on other candidates in a personal way and then claim they don't.
How is name calling of other candidates going to bring people around to the Palin camp?
Posted by: JackStraw at May 23, 2011 10:15 PM (TMB3S)
I use Mittens a lot? Find the many comments I've made about Romney. Now, I have called Huckabee "the huckster", but honestly, I comment about Romney very seldom. Oh sorry, I did say that he reminded me of a used car salesman once.
I think you are mistaking me for someone else.
Posted by: Steph at May 23, 2011 06:40 PM (AkdC5)
Posted by: buzzion at May 23, 2011 06:52 PM (oVQFe)
Oh, and Jackstraw, I don't use Mittens because I think it sounds stupid, but if you think it would compare in any way to calling Palin Sugar Tits of Bimbo, that's bullshit.
I don't have an argument with you. I know you are a Romney supporter, and I'm just not, but I sure as hell have not slammed him constantly as you seem to think.
Posted by: Steph at May 23, 2011 06:53 PM (AkdC5)
I've never seen fans of other candidates do that but Palin fans love to dig on other candidates in a personal way.......
I don't get into these crap slinging contests, but I can't help myself this time. A direct quote from a Palin hater: She has a vagina. Which probably looks like a day old Roast Beef Sandwich after all those kids...but I digress.
Posted by: Ronster at May 23, 2011 07:02 PM (NUo+O)
Posted by: Genetic Tunder at May 23, 2011 07:02 PM (dbYHP)
Posted by: Strauss-Kahn at May 23, 2011 07:06 PM (BqdfG)
I granted you that this has a grain of truth, but much is exaggeration on your part to make your stretched point. What has been said about Tpaw so far is mild compared to what has been said about Palin. That 's why I didn't bother to respond to those petty (and stupid) attacks against Palin or Tpaw.
Posted by: LAI at May 23, 2011 07:08 PM (gDhR9)
Posted by: not the droid you seek at May 23, 2011 07:16 PM (aI+Fw)
Posted by: Steph at May 23, 2011 07:17 PM (AkdC5)
oh this post is rich. Ace spends the last two years disrespecting Palin, posting every tabloid hit piece on her, disregarding almost every positive news story on Palin and flinging feces about Palin in the comments. And then he wonders why Palin supporters tear into his candidates.....
ROFLMAO...
Let's just say Ace we learned it from the master.....I think the saying reap what you sow comes into play somewhere
Posted by: unseen at May 23, 2011 07:23 PM (aVGmX)
"My knock on Palin is simple. She has negatively polarized too much of the electorate against her, and she doesn't have the political skill or the time to reverse it. That's it. I'm not callin her stupid, or whiny, or anything else.
Posted by: Dave in Texas"
Yeah and all Republicans are extremely wealthy rich white guys who hate gays, blacks and minorities in general. Oh yes, they want old people to die quickly after finishing off that last can of cat/dog food.
Just give up bro, lay down and die as this is the meme put forth by the press every day. The point is if they can do this to her, they can do it to anyone they choose.
Posted by: Obama's People at May 23, 2011 07:28 PM (5YV0W)
Posted by: Damn Dirty RINO at May 23, 2011 07:30 PM (hSwL0)
Steph - Reading is Fundamental
Ron Reagan, Jr. isn't gay. http://tinyurl.com/3hnqc6v
Way to go Nista - hey let's lie about The Gipper to make Schticky Sarah look better.
pfffft
Posted by: Nistas - blech at May 23, 2011 07:48 PM (VxqUc)
Posted by: Nistas - blech at May 23, 2011 07:49 PM (VxqUc)
Ron Reagan, Jr. isn't gay. http://tinyurl.com/3hnqc6v
Way to go Nista - hey let's lie about The Gipper to make Schticky Sarah look better.
pfffft
Posted by: Nistas - blech at May 23, 2011 11:48 PM (VxqUc)
I didn't lie about Reagan. I was mistaken that his son was gay. Still doesn't change the fact Jr's a douche that went out of his way to piss on his father when he could.
Posted by: Steph at May 23, 2011 07:57 PM (AkdC5)
But at this point, half of my posts are just trolling creepy little bastards like "unseen" over there.
Posted by: Vyceroy at May 23, 2011 09:59 PM (a/dfF)
Troll away.
Posted by: unseen at May 23, 2011 08:00 PM (aVGmX)
Posted by: Nistas - blech at May 23, 2011 11:49 PM (VxqUc)
nah just stopped in to laugh at Ace's LEAVE TPAW alone post.
Posted by: unseen at May 23, 2011 08:04 PM (aVGmX)
Posted by: Steph at May 23, 2011 11:17 PM (AkdC5)
1 to Steph) Ronnie is not gay. He is just an effeminate metrosexual limp-dicked asshole who got into ballet cause he was such a little bitch that there was no other way he could ever get near a member of the opposite sex. His personal resentment against his father for not giving him even 1/100th of he charisma and charm via the genes turned him into a tutu wearing liberal pussy.
2 to the rest of you moron republicans wannabees) NinnyNinnyNinnylenty, snettiMittens, Godfather's Pizza Cain,, I worked for Obama Chumpsman, these Dole^2 losers aren't gonna win.
I'ma laugh my ass off at you morons for not learning the lesson of John "Fight With Me (actually i aint gonna fight) Sydney (that metrosexual middle name should have clued you in - if not that manbeast of a daughter (the bloggette not the aborigini) was a second good clue) McLame and his straight talk express bullet train to failure.
You aint winnin with Obama lite!
Posted by: Jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka at May 23, 2011 08:20 PM (bs3JI)
Posted by: Uncle Jimbo at May 23, 2011 08:23 PM (73Rta)
I'm going to fuck your ass until you like it.
Posted by: Uncle Jimbo at May 24, 2011 12:23 AM (73Rta)
Ronnie Reagan isnt gay, but i have a pretty strong feeling Uncle Jimbo is.
Posted by: Jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka at May 23, 2011 08:28 PM (bs3JI)
Posted by: Uncle Jimbo at May 23, 2011 08:30 PM (73Rta)
You guys keep saying 'Oh she'll do it later."
When?
And why wasn't this done before?
What is the big advantage in waiting?
Posted by: ace at May 23, 2011 08:04 PM (nj1bB)
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I'm going to go with "When she's a candidate and her job is to promote herself and her agenda for America."
As for why she's waiting...a. She can afford to watch who flubs right off the bat. b. She might be waiting out the lawsuit clock in AK (she can still be sued up to two years after resigning).
It's not like she's been under a rock these last couple years. But she said if she ran she'd be unconventional...with a strong grassroots focus. Many of us suspect she'll skip over the exploratory committee thing altogether and simply launch.
I suspect it'll be in July.
Posted by: Sarah at May 23, 2011 09:45 PM (uGE+P)
Posted by: Jon in Texas at May 23, 2011 09:45 PM (wPQT5)
What's that writing?
"PALIN WINS 2012".
He's afraid, because he can't imagine a woman having more balls than him. Sorry, Ace, but your effectiveness in the blogosphere is no longer. Consider this our divorce.
P.S. WTF do you think a site called "Conservatives 4 Palin" would be talking about 24/7? Any and all things related to Palin. I think you need to withdraw from the Val-U-Rite. Move up to Grey Goose, it'll help your system.
Posted by: Banji Kazooie at May 23, 2011 10:06 PM (S8aPX)
Posted by: John the Libertarian at May 23, 2011 10:12 PM (KyVYG)
Oh, the word I was looking for was "petulant": this post is petulant nonsense.
Man, I couldn't think of that word.
Posted by: Ken at May 23, 2011 10:17 PM (3ar4L)
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at May 23, 2011 11:38 PM (NITzp)
Ace, I love this blog ...BUT, you're way off base. The attacks made by Palin fans on Pawlenty are nothing to get your panties in a twist over. They're commenting on policy differences and TPaw's apparent past RINOness. These squabbles are supposed to matter, right?. Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought that was what we're supposed to do during the run up to the primaries.
The attacks on Palin by the right and left are rarely on policy, they're personal. In the last 30 years, other than Gary Hart, Clinton and Newt cheating on their wives; how much did we know about a candidate's personal life? Not all that much, IIRC. Now, you can say that Palin brought on some of the criticism by making her family such a prominent feature in the telling of her political story but how could it not be? When she came onto the national scene, she was a relatively young woman (politically speaking, mid-40's is young) with 5 kids born in 3 different decades.
Now, as for her family members lets examine who has been attacked, shall we. I say we shall. Bristol, for getting impregnated by a now notorious douchenozzle. Willow (kinda), for attending a baseball game with her mother and Letterman's staff not doing any research to find out it wasn't Bristol. Trig, for being born with Down Syndrome. The only ones to escape ridicule has been Todd, Track and Piper; with the exception of their names being ridiculed, not much has been said about them. Why is that? Perhaps because Todd is a pretty kick ass guy that both alphas and betas could respect and Track is a war veteran that has yet to be accused of raping and pillaging Iraqis or Afghans, whichever. And Piper is just a little kid. But heaven forbid when she gets her first zit!
The policies are supposed to matter. Sure, some Palin fanboys go a little too far and seem to wish sainthood on the woman but the criticism of her rarely has any reflection on the policies that she espouses. If any other political figure held the exact stances and record that Palin had as Governor of Alaska prior to her resignation there would be no debate over who the GOP candidate should be in 2012. She's got the 3 legs of the stool of Conservatism.
Unfortunately, the left successfully demonized her to the point now that right wing pundits have acquiesced and say that she is unelectable. Or have have chosen to cling to the meme that she abdicated (csdeven on HA) the Alaskan governorship because it was too hard. Which anyone that has the reading and comprehension skills of an 8th grader would understand that it wasn't hard for her to do her job in Alaska, she was kicking some major ass doing it. It was the laws that allowed her family to be bankrupted and kept her staff from doing their jobs that forced her to choosing to resign. Those that claim she is too polarizing are the ones that polarized her, the Alinsky rule #12 followers.
Some people choose to ridicule her for doing interviews with Hannity, so what? She's a paid contributor for Fox News, it's her job to talk to him. I can't blame her for not talking to O'Reilly all that often, he's an overbearing windbag. But she's on with Greta and the Fox Busniess Network quite often as well. The other networks aren't going to give her a platform to espouse her political beliefs and criticism of Teh Won. It would just be about her defending herself and never addressing the naked emperor.
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