1 Any other ideas?

LOL, here at AOSHQ we find that all the lesbian pron allways has more female characters so the study is flawed.

(and thanks for the H/T)

2
No comprende.

3 Wait...what?! 

Vic was on the ONT?!

4

You're right. Except for Scarlett O'Hara and about a thousand others.

My personal favorite in the non-fiction category? Two. Delilah and Deborah from the Old Testament.

5 Dude.  Winnie The Pooh was born without a penis.  He dressed and spoke like a boy.

He was a transgender bear!

6 Vic was on the ONT?!

Sure was and it is still going now. The "perfect album" thingy took off and will not die.

7 He usually pops in early mornings and posts links and such.

Posted by: buzzion at May 07, 2011 12:32 PM (oVQFe)

Oh right, the morning after the ONT.  Yep.

8 I wonder if the esteemed researcher of the fairer gender cited in the article happenend to consider that those children's books were aimed at boys? I'm failry certain she'd frown down on the Hardy Boys and Tom Swift series as well and possibly for the same inane reasons.

9 I am disgusted by the absense of transgendered animals in Winnie the Pooh stories from the 1920s!

10 Because there are two Hardy Boys and only one Nancy Drew?

11 I thought the Lord of The Rings trilogy was too heavy on elves and hobbits.

12 I'll start the ball rolling: Chick characters just aren't that interesting, what with their primping and gossiping and shopping and going on and on (and on) about their pretty ponies, and most of all, their disinclination to ever catch a hobo in a pit-trap.

Actually it's the opposite. Western media portrays women as equals and tough and stuff  out of political correctness and the old wimpy female characters were put there for girls. Girls like that. female characters are very popular in other countries, just look as Japanese Anime and Manga. The difference is female characters there still accept and celebrate traditional female portrayals. The female character, no matter how tough, is still always really looking for Prince Charming and reverts to a traditional role in the end.

13 Boy animals can lick themselves. Therefore, they don't need a lot of girl animals around. Duh.

14

failry = fairly

Shit, not enough coffee yet. Damned analogue spel cheqr...

15 I wonder if the esteemed researcher of the fairer gender cited in the article happenend to consider that those children's books were aimed at boys?

Yes, the study is an epic fail because the original target for the stories was the author's son.

16

In the time period you mentioned, all of Louisa May Alcott's books had leading female characters.

In Little Women, Jo. In Eight Cousins, it was Rose Campbell.

They were very strong characters. Jo financially supported her family.

17 Jack and Jill went up the hill to fetch a pail of water.  Way to go Jack.  Defy the patriarchal stereotypes.  Now if we can just teach Jill to scratch her backside in public. 

18
Unemployment rising to 9%.

/rips envelope

...


Why release the bin Laden home vids?

19 Because males are better than females at almost everything?

20

I have always found that the boy characters in children's books find themselves in more interesting, crazy, or wild predicaments than the girl characters do so they are more fun to read about. But, the boy characters are often "schooled" by a girl character so there is that.

Note, I am not saying that the girl characters aren't ever interesting, certainly Alice led a pretty effed up life there for a bit in her books, and Dorothy as well, just that for the short pithy picture books it is often easier to telegraph a bunch of ideas about a character all at once by making that character a boy.

And I can't believe I just wasted any synapses thinking about an essentially nonsensical study.  

21
I used to love going to Drudge. Now I hate it because it depresses me.

Not just the London Islamists vowing revenge, it's the Fannie Mae story and the floods and all the other shit.

22

Soothsayer, could we call those Pakistan's Funniest Home Videos?

23
I'll watch the vids when someone dubs in Benny Hill music.

24
...and speeds up the video, of course

25 If there were more female animals in children's books, this researcher would say our patriarchical society was dehumanizing women.

26 Winnie got his balls out all up in my face!

27 I was wrong. So fucking wrong.

28

You're old, Soothsayer!

I like Benny Hill too. I can hear the music right now and see his chubby face.

29
in b4 Diane Fossey

30
Benny Hill reruns were on Channel 56 at 11p every night back in the '80's.

31 Chicks are too busy shaving their legs and bedazzling their vajayjays. 

32 Because when lady animals get horny, their asses turn red, or bleed, or they start acting like sluts, or they give off a foul wonderful odor.  Not appropriate for chirren.

33


Very, very simple, as the parent of any boy can tell you.  Boys don't care much about stories about girls.  Even at very young ages, little boys will not listen to a story that doesn't have at least one or two boys in it.  Maybe it's the writing style or subject matter of "all girl" stories, but even as a toddler, a boy just doesn't pick girl stories.  Girls will listen to stories with only boys just fine. 

Take from that what you will.

The market then decides.

34 bedazzling their vajayjays. 

Posted by: Y-not at May 07, 2011 12:48 PM (pW2o

Vajazzling.  You poser.

35 Because males are better than females at almost everything?

Posted by: catmman at May 07, 2011 12:40 PM (DTzwU)

This is something I have wondered for a long time. Why are males better than women at almost everything. Take this study. It's not a lack of female characters in books over time. There are plenty of female characters. It's just all the classics seem to be about and/or written by men. You could put this down to inequality but there are plenty of women characters and writers who buck that trend even 150 years ago. So why? 

It's like that in many things. Why aren't there more women Chess Grand masters? Why aren't women just as good as men in billiards at the top level? It can't be size and weight. Philippino men have come to have a very strong position in billiards despite being smaller and weaker than your average male.

Why? Is this true?

36

Only a little off topic.

On a trip through the northeast, a giant highlight for me was a visit to the Alcott home.

For a girl who had devoured each and every one of her books, it was like walking on hallowed ground. Each room was exactly as I had pictured them when I was a wee girl.

Word is that Louisa played for the opposite team, too. She hinted at it and never married.

37

Of course, all of this is filtered through the researchers' world view that there's something horribly wrong with our society. I always chuckle when I remember the Time cover that declared there was no inherent difference between men and women, only to be contradicted with the other cover that said maybe there was a real difference.

Reality can be a harsh mistress, as every man knows...

38
in Boston today they're having their SLUT WALK

Why? To raise awareness, of course! It's time to take the shame out of being promiscuous.

Sluts are no different from homosexuals, they say. The persecution must end, they say.

=====================================

"The walk will welcome both men and women in any form of clothing.

Schott-Mancini, also a survivor of sexual assault, likened the movement to  successful gay rights campaigns of the past.

“It’s like ‘queer’ in the ‘80s,” she said. “That was a derogatory term and it’s almost been reclaimed. In a sense we’re trying to do that with ‘slut.’”"

39 Clearly the world is a horrible place. Every civilization mistreats women, gays, minorities, animals, plants, and most rocks.

The only solution is slow asphyxiation of the entire planet through overproduction of carbon dioxide.

Problem solved.

40

>>Why? Is this true?

Posted by: Rocks at May 07, 2011 12:51 PM (th0op)

Cuz girls have kooties and stuff.

41

Why? Is this true?

Posted by: Rocks at May 07, 2011 12:51 PM (th0op)

Clearly it's not, evidenced by the erroneous conclusion you just came to.

;o~

42
“We were fed up how rape was being treated in our society and our culture,” Ouimette said.

...they also want to make people aware of the larger issues of “rape culture” and “slut shaming.”"

I have no clue what "rape culture" means.

43 Dr. Janice McCabe, a sociologist at Florida State University.......,

That is the root of the problem.

44

A Slut Walk. Now that sounds fun.

Does everyone dress like sluts or do you only need an the attitude?

Is it too late for me to get there?

45 One other thing that is missing in this story is how the "study" was conducted and what the meaning of the term "central character" was.

These kinds of studies when reported on without the details are virtually worthless.

46 Why? Is this true? Posted by: Rocks at May 07, 2011 12:51 PM (th0op) Hunting vs. gathering?

47 Delilah

Posted by: Who Knows at May 07, 2011 12:31 PM (1cx/R)

And the bees made honey in the lion's head.

48 My city has a slut walk every weekend. It starts around 10:00M on the main drag just past the tracks where all the seedy hotels are.

49

A Slut Walk. Now that sounds fun.

...in addition to being a great place to pick up Moron-pre-approved women.

50 This guy has never watched My Little Pony Friendship is Magic. All of the main characters are female. The one recurring male character that has lines is treated as a servant (and he is a dragon, not even a pony). Most of the male ponies are there for background purposes. When a male pony does get a line, it is very rare that you know that pony's name. Or, so I've heard.

51 Posted by: Rocks at May 07, 2011 12:51 PM (th0op)


Because most women suck (not moronettes though we seem to be rational, thoughtful, caring, intelligent individuals).  They are catty, selfish, insulting, etc., etc., etc.

I bet if you took a poll of the moronettes here, most of them don't have many women friends.  Why?  Because women are irritating bitches. 

All my friends are guys.  Always have been.  I've been a chick since conception, but other than my mom and my daughter (and my hillbilly neighbor that is just like myself) I can't stand chicks.

52 FUBAR, I think it would have been fun to ask Sisera.."Hey, want a steak? Oh, sorry, I meant a stake."

53 there were still two male animals to every one female animal.

Surf city?

54 I have no clue what "rap culture" means.

Same meaning and now makes more sense.

55

Vajazzling.  You poser.

Posted by: FUBAR at May 07, 2011 12:50 PM (1fanL)

*sniff* It's poseur.

56

I have no clue what "rape culture" means.

I think it's obvious that Winnie the Pooh's obsessive fixation on the deflowering of innocent bee-hives is a metaphor for the West's culture of rape and, more generally, its violent plundering of all the little brown & yellow citizens of the world.

57

>>evidenced by the erroneous conclusion you just came to.

Posted by: Tami at May 07, 2011 12:54 PM (VuLos)

I was tempted to hit that fat pitch over the fence for a three run homer, but it's too early.

58 OT: 

Defense Department releases new videos of Usama bin Laden taken during raid in single largest intelligence collection ever

59 Oh wait...that's not news.  We knew that this morning.  Why is Fox so slow?  Unless this is something else....

60
krakatoa speaks socialscience-ese

61 Clearly this "professor" has never watched children's programming on PBS.  Every woman is intelligent, brave and in command, and all of the boys are impotent, feckless dolts at best, but usually bullies and cowards who don't care about Gaia.  Each episode consists of the girl teaching the boy a lesson in self-improvement, namely how to be more like a girl.  Needless to say, there aren't a lot of Seal team 6 candidates on PBS.

62

How about Most Perfect Album by a Chick Band?

 

I nom'nate the Go Go's Beauty and the Beat

63

Clearly this "professor" has never watched children's programming on PBS TV.  Every woman is intelligent, brave and in command, and all of the boys are impotent, feckless dolts at best, but usually bullies and cowards who don't care about Gaia.  Each episode consists of the girl teaching the boy a lesson in self-improvement, namely how to be more like a girl.  Needless to say, there aren't a lot of Seal team 6 candidates on PBS.

FIFY

64
Does Wings count as a chick band?

65 Posted by: Rocks at May 07, 2011 12:51 PM (th0op)

Holy crap.  I totally didn't answer your question. Oy.  Sorry about that.

I think part of the difference is the way boys/girls are raised.  Boys are pushed to do 'brain stimulating' games/hobbies.  Girls are pushed to Dora or Barbie.

We tell boys they are so smart.  We tell girls they are pretty.

Boys look mature.  Girls look like a princess.

Boys play with building blocks/trains.  Girls play with dolls.

66

I nom'nate the Go Go's Beauty and the Beat

Posted by: USS Diversity at May 07, 2011 01:06 PM (RPYjQ)

Don't make me kick your ass.

67 LBJ's Dream: The Great Society of the Least Common Denominator. 

68

pep, how true. I hope to never have to hear Dora the Explora's voice again, or Rick Steeve's for that matter.

PBS should be called MTV now, anyway.

My other name for it is The Begging Channel.

69 Let the market decide? Allow kids to choose or themselves what they read?

HERESY!

If they're offered stories with competent characters taking effective action, they'll be overrun by role models of penis people who create nations, make wars, build skyscrapers, engineer inventions and compose symphonies.

The whole history of wise mother figures who make quilts will be silenced.

70 So is Barack Obama Pepe Le Pew?

Have black, half white, fake personality and sprays people when he gets upset?

71 41 The only solution is slow asphyxiation of the entire planet through overproduction of carbon dioxide.
________

I like the cut of your jib and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

72

Why? Is this true?

Posted by: Rocks at May 07, 2011 12:51 PM (th0op)

Clearly it's not, evidenced by the erroneous conclusion you just came to.

;o~

Posted by: Tami at May 07, 2011 12:54 PM (VuLos)

Actually that wasn't mean to be one sentence. I started with a conclusion, men are better than women at almost everything,  and wondered why. The "Is it true?" was to give anyone commenting the opening to show there is no why as it isn't even true to begin with. Next time I will be sure to add a CR.

73 Jane Austen and her contemporaries successfully wrote about the lives of women. Of course, those weren't children's books and most kids today would find those same books boring.

74 I think part of the difference is the way boys/girls are raised.  Boys are pushed to do 'brain stimulating' games/hobbies.  Girls are pushed to Dora or Barbie.

We tell boys they are so smart.  We tell girls they are pretty.

Boys look mature.  Girls look like a princess.

Boys play with building blocks/trains.  Girls play with dolls.

Posted by: momma - West/Bolton 2012! at May 07, 2011 01:08 PM (penCf)

Hi, momma?  Yeah, can I have my stereotypes back please?

75

I keep checking back on this thread to see if there are any booby pics posted yet and there is not.

AoSHQ is starting to go downhill IMO.

76

krakatoa now must go attend to his duties as the "grass whisperer". The wife is telling him that the lawn is most definitely not going to mow itself next week while I'm off having fun on my business trip in the happening city of "Fresno".

Actually, I don't trust her to mow the right way. Sort of like how she doesn't like the way I do laundry. Heavy load means things just get cleaner, right? And drying on High keep me from having to run the dryer for over an hour. Good things, no?

77 OT Question:


Does the Obama Campaign have to pay for all the ads that they are running on every single channel with Michelle in them?  All the cartoon channels are running he exercise commercial and now Prime time shows are running her commercial with Jill Biden @ supporting our troops.

I see her commercials at least 5 times a day between my shows at night and the kids' shows during the day.

78

Girls will listen to stories with only boys just fine. 

That's actually an excellent point. I think part of why girls will listen to stories about boys is because a lot of the stories about boys are more interesting/funny/clever. And the situations are universal. Enemy Pie comes to mind as an example of that.

79 Heavy load means things just get cleaner, right? And drying on High keep me from having to run the dryer for over an hour. Good things, no?

Posted by: krakatoa at May 07, 2011 01:13 PM (MruVg)

That is my thinking anyway.

80 Heavy load means things just get cleaner, right? And drying on High keep me from having to run the dryer for over an hour. Good things, no?

Posted by: krakatoa at May 07, 2011 01:13 PM (MruVg)

One more example of Easy Things That Women Make Complicated.

81

Krakatoa, look.

Holding your former favorite shirt up, between two fingers because it would fit a Ken doll now.

See what you did?

82

Posted by: pep at May 07, 2011 01:05 PM (gmlb7)

To continue your point, beer commercials, aimed primarily towards the male of the species, are curious cases of attempting to sell a product by demeaning its audience. Check out the Miller Lite commercials in particular.

When I began to notice commercials that put down men as ignoramuseses, I stopped buying their products. If you think I'm an idiot, why should I buy your widget?

Remember the old show Home Improvement? Tim Taylor's wife hated his guts and was a condescending bitch towards him.

My ex loved that show.

83 I bet if you took a poll of the moronettes here, most of them don't have many women friends.  Why?  Because women are irritating bitches.

When my unit at work was transferred out of one department into another we had three positions open up for clerical folks from admin. Every woman in that group put in for the transfer.

One of them told me it was because they all hated working for women and our group was headed up by a man. 

84
Jennifer Griffin of Fox News confirms the AoS suspicion, Bin Laden was a pussy and went down like a whimpering scrunt.

85 >>I see her commercials at least 5 times a day between my shows at night and the kids' shows during the day.

Posted by: momma - West/Bolton 2012! at May 07, 2011 01:13 PM (penCf)

_{I don't think that Saddlebags has a mirror.}

86 I actually read books by both men and women authors.  Sometimes the main characters are male and sometimes female.  I'm not sure about Spot.

87 Momma, they are PSAs, the network is paying for them. For example, Disney is footing the bill for her insufferable appearances. I wish their budget had included a change of clothes for her for each one though, that shirt is an affront to humanity.

88

Hi, momma?  Yeah, can I have my stereotypes back please?

Posted by: 1952 at May 07, 2011 01:12 PM (1fanL)

I'm not stereotyping.  I'm telling you what I see.  I can go to the park and my 3 year old girl will talk about paint ball guns and riding her 4 - wheeler, and the moms get that nervous look on their faces.

It is really weird.  Plus I'm not saying all kids, but a lot of ads are geared this way too.

Go on the internet and look at the games for girls.  They are matching, coloring, helping animals, etc.

The boys are about velocity, power, common sense, psi, etc.

89

When I began to notice commercials that put down men as ignoramuseses, I stopped buying their products.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at May 07, 2011 01:16 PM (d0Tfm)

So you're off the grid, is that what you're saying?

90

Also, I think the focus of the study was on children's books, which are horses of a different color. I don't think a gender imbalance in literature line of thinking would hold up for young adult or adult fiction at all.

But, I didn't read the article because I think gender inequality studies are stupid, especially when they involve male vs. female animal characters in books aimed for people whose idea of a good time is flinging cheerios across the room.

91

Articles that should appear in Cosmo but never will:

Putting the toilet seat down: Gravity is on your side

92 Paranoid, is your dog back from boot camp yet? How did that go?

93 I despise those who use the violent political doctrine of Islam as an excuse to murder those unlike them.  There are a large number of fools who believe that it's actually a religious faith, so I have a question?

One of the things you are taught in the service is "target acquisition."  basically meaning you make sure that you shoot the right thing, at the right time.  Would it be WRONG! to engage a target during Adhan if they are walking AWAY from a point of prayer, or not preparing for prayer?

and I'm sorry, I am one of those people who thinks that we ARE at war with Islam, not ALL muslims as Larry O'Donnel likes to say, but with Islam.  As I said, there are always fools who need something to believe, and will follow any huckster.

94

Articles that should appear in Cosmo but never will:

Putting the toilet seat down: Gravity is on your side

Posted by: ErikW at May 07, 2011 01:21 PM (s+/VV)

Careful What You Nag For: Toilet Seat Down Equals Sitting in Pee

95 It's no joke to say that some animals are more equal than others.

96 So was J. K. Rowling a traitor to her gender because the main protagonist in her series of books was a filthy male?  Didn't she get the memo that her books should have starred Haley Potter, as to better stroke the egos of young women?

Assuming this study isn't balls, which everyone here has pointed out that it is in various ways, what should the correct ratio be for female/male main and supporting characters?  50/50?  70/30, as to make up for this sin of male dominance? 

97 Bros before hos. That's why.

98 94 I like working with women. Big, plump, buxomious women.
__________

I like the cut of your vocabulary and would like to subscribe to your dictionary.

99 Assuming this study isn't balls, which everyone here has pointed out that it is in various ways, what should the correct ratio be for female/male main and supporting characters?  50/50?  70/30, as to make up for this sin of male dominance? 

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at May 07, 2011 01:29 PM (c0A3e)

Just send all the women you know some money....moronettes first.

100

Paranoid, is your dog back from boot camp yet? How did that go?

It's 5 weeks, he won't be back until June. So far it is going well, he is apparently partying hard with the other dogs and I already got a phone call for more money for food. He's fallen in love with a schnauzer, they are thinking about sharing a room.

101 In the nature of cultural norms in media and reporting, we have almost 2 generations of education, as a man, that husbands are stupid, bumbling and borderline worthless.   So Why the Fuck should my generation bother?   I don't fall into that stereotype (developed over about 40 years) but too many women assume it, and I walk away from them.

Guys?  Just play golf and watch Television and you end up with a hot wife who hates you and children who don't appreciate you.

Ironically?  One of the Best family based SitComs over the last 30 years?  "Married With Children."   Al was a fool, Peggy was a Fool, Bud was a Fool,  Kelly was a Fool, but they were real people with real problems.  Not in Every episode, but quite often there was a storyline of the family of fools dealing with the fact that they are a family.  The offense was mutual, the conflicts were mutual, the situations were mutual, and while the family had their internal conflicts those conflicts were reserved for the family, with full knowledge that everyone else would stand up for their family.   I remember one episode where Bud, who was BRUTAL to kelly saw his sister with a mouse under her eye, and little bud, threatened the bigguy that kelly was dating when he came back to apologize, and Bud got his butt kicked.

Doesn't matter if he won, but he stood for his sister, his sister that he mocks on a weekly basis.

Along those lines, good luck making a TV show like "Good Times." nowadays.

102 OT - Here's the chance for some lucky moron:

Back on the prowl! Tiger Wood's ex-wife Elin Nordegren returns to the dating scene

103 So was J. K. Rowling a traitor to her gender because the main protagonist in her series of books was a filthy male? 

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at May 07, 2011 01:29 PM (c0A3e)

No, she's a traitor to her gender because all the female characters were witches.

104 Totaly wrong thread, CRAP!!!!   sorry.

105 I think it's wrong to let young girls overindulge in the idea that they're a princess. Reading stories and playing dress-up are fine, but some parents have let it replace the idea of playing house (among other things). It just doesn't seem healthy to let young children think they're royalty.

106 Totaly wrong thread, CRAP!!!!   sorry.

Posted by: Douglas at May 07, 2011 01:33 PM (YKOnu)

It is?  Looks like it's in the right thread to me.

107
you see Obama Osama watching tv?

He's sitting on the floor holding the remote. What's he watching?

a) American Idol
b) Celebrity Apprentice
c) the Weather Channel

108

No, she's a traitor to her gender because all the female characters were witches.

Posted by: FUBAR at May 07, 2011 01:32 PM (1fanL)

Yeah, and they all ran for Senate in MD!

109
I see stills. No video.

110
What does Obama want people to get out of this?

111

Posted by: Soothsayer, AoS Team 6 at May 07, 2011 01:35 PM (uFokq)

Million dollar compound, my ass. Where's the 62" plasma?

I bet he's flipping back and forth between scrambled channels trying to get a glimpse at tittays.

112

So you're off the grid, is that what you're saying?

Yep, pretty much. Thank goodness for Craftsman ads.

I do wonder if and when this trend will burn itself out and we can at least start to look upon the American male as an equal and not some oafish dolt who only thinks with "the little head". I think I can speak for the guy Morons that we don't have very many (if any) friends who fit that description.

We like our friends to be intelligent and honest, with their heads screwed on straight and aware of reality, regardless of gender.

113 Matt Bracken's 3-book series beginning with 'Enemies Foreign and Domestic' features a female character, Ranya, who plays a spectacular lead in the 2nd book. The series should be essential reading for every moron. He's got a new book coming too.

114

Yeah, and they all ran for Senate in MD!

Posted by: Vic at May 07, 2011 01:36 PM (M9Ie6)

No, They all ended up working for the Ministry of Magic.  Other than the goblins, and Fred (crosses self and takes a moment of silence) and George, EVERYONE worked for the Ministry in some way.

115 78 I keep checking back on this thread to see if there are any booby pics posted yet and there is not.

You wish for a boobeh pic?  Fine, here you are:

Boobeh pic.

/Am I not magnanimous? 

116 Has anyone read Friday by Robert Heinlein?  That had a strong female main character. 

_{(Who was a slut.)}

117 As for Obama, I only heard clips of his speech before the troops the other day.  I noticed a DISTINCT inflective exaggeration on "I gave the order."  He made a point of saying that it was HIM who gave the order.  I'm not bad at public speaking, I'm better at it than I am person to person, and _I_ notice stuff like that.

118 @122  Never read it, I heard the audio version as performed by Rebecca Black.

119 Also saw the Movie staring IceCube and Chris Tucker.

120 Women are distracted by their bodies, and by men being distracted by their bodies, and by how men are always looking at them and......

121

two male animals to every one female animal

My kids have noticed how many shows and books have 2 boys and 1 girl as main characters. Like Harry Potter and a million others.

Because males are better than females at almost everything?

Or it takes two males to accomplish as much as one female.

122

Has anyone read Friday by Robert Heinlein?  That had a strong female main character. 

Enjoyed that as a teenager.

123

Or it takes two males to accomplish as much as one female.

Posted by: Mama AJ at May 07, 2011 01:46 PM (XdlcF)

Yes, if by 'accomplish' you mean make every little thing endlessly complicated and worth talking about for hours and hours

124 Has anyone read Friday by Robert Heinlein?  That had a strong female main character.

Of course, this is the Moron space after all. I would estimate that all the Morons have read all of his stuff.

125 Dr. Janice McCabe, a sociologist at Florida State University, examined nearly 6,000 childrenÂ’s books between 1900 and 2000 and determined the stories have a definitive gender bias and a disproportionate representation of genders.

Why did it take her so long?

126 "Jackie Brown" seemed to have an female lead

most of the male leading men in movies lately are 'super-heros' or equally comic book Evil Masterminds

127 >>I'm not bad at public speaking, I'm better at it than I am person to person, and _I_ notice stuff like that.
Posted by: Douglas at May 07, 2011 01:42 PM (YKOnu)

You're just now noticing that? The guy's always had more I's than a fucking mexican hat dance.

He's the perfect cultural counterpoint to Lady Gaga, someone else that's gotten a million miles out of next to nothing.

128 I do wonder if and when this trend will burn itself out and we can at least start to look upon the American male as an equal and not some oafish dolt who only thinks with "the little head".

Word.

129 125 Also saw the Movie staring IceCube and Chris Tucker.

Posted by: Douglas at May 07, 2011 01:44 PM (YKOnu)

I did not see that. Which one plays the role of Friday?

130

Dr. Janice McCabe, a sociologist at Florida State University, examined nearly 6,000 childrenÂ’s books between 1900 and 2000 and determined the stories have a definitive gender bias and a disproportionate representation of genders.

Methinks those two points are reversed. She determined that the stories had a definite gender bias (primarily because she has one personally) and then she did her official "research."

131 President MIKE JONES!

132 Now we see the violence inherent in the system

133 It just doesn't seem healthy to let young children think they're royalty.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 07, 2011 01:35 PM (P+zzG)

I just tell them royalty are all inbred thieves who treat ordinary people like servants and sit around and do nothing while everyone else works.

Blackadder season three seems to work to reinforce that.

134 My take? Present-day "angels dancing on the head of a pin" argument based on counting shoelaces.

135 there were still two male animals to every one female animal.

In most species, the males are more colorful/striking in appearance.  Manes. Tail feathers. Etc.

Who wants to paint a picture book full of brown feathers when you can make one with reds and blues and yellows?

136 I don't know about animal, but I know that I've almost always been MUCH sexier than my girlfriends.

137

people whose idea of a good time is flinging cheerios across the room.

What are you trying to imply here?  What I do with my cheerios is my business.

138

My kids could care less what gender any literary character is.  A great story is a great story.  My boys read all manner of books - including loving Beverly Cleary's Ramona Quimby character.  They have read Swiss Family Robinson and followed it up with The Long Winter by Laura Ingalls Wilder. . .  geez.  So what, boys and girls are different and may instinctually behave one way or another. . .  but a great story is a great story.

By touting the "inequality" of such literature as Winnie-the-Pooh, this stupid doc/researcher is ruining good literature and taking the focus off the themes, ideas and more important junk in the story.  It's shallow.  I guess this is what is happening in culture.  Instead of focusing on the the deeper stuff, we're too busy worrying about the shallow. 

139 It just doesn't seem healthy to let young children think they're royalty.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 07, 2011 01:35 PM (P+zzG)

It's harmless enough.  Role playing is one way that children begin to understand the world.  It's no different than boys rough housing and playing soldier or cowboys and indians; the goal is to develop values through imitation.  A boy playing at being a soldier doesn't imitate cowering in fear behind cover, raping civilians, or spending all day writing paperwork.  He pretends to be fearless in battle, even dying valiantly, and to be tactically brilliant.    

If a girl want's to go through a princess phase, then let her.  But remind her that a princess should always be courteous, neat, well behaved, educated...

140 Laura Ingalls Wilder.

I read ALL of her books as a kid and loved them. After I got out of the Navy I watched the TV show for the first time.

I puked.

141 LOL, Vic. The show didn't do anything for me either and I was a kid back then.

142 BTW, my wife loves it. She watches that and Touched By An Angel on the "schmaltz network".

143 Happy 90th Walt Ehlers http://bit.ly/kPmqxS

144

/Am I not magnanimous? 

One, not proud I clicked it.  Two, Lady Gaga makes me think I'm reliving the 1980s and 1990s in Madonna Bizarro World.  

145 What category did My Princess Boy fall into? I know the obvious ones...but there should be a box marked: "Things My Parents Are Doing To Me Coz It's All The Rage Right Now."

146 This is the thread you post the day before Mother's Day??? I know you morons have mothers because I've banged most of them up their squeakholes. Yes, your mom is a chick and here you are running chicks down before their special day.

147 Not enough data, and too lame to dig it out:

Question #1: What is the gender split among the authors?
Question #2: How do sales of these 6,000 books compare (a) with each other and (b) among all children's books?

Easy to skew the data if you want do.

148 Chick animals still bleed.

149

Slow News Day Story:

Take the Seven Day Challenge

It's Fox News so that makes it official and mandatory I think. 

 

150 If Breitbart thinks Ace has best commenters this post will send Andy over the edge....

151 Speaking as a Moronette, I can attest that books with female leads never interested me.  Sure I read and enjoyed all the original "Nancy Drew" books, but I was alwas much more drawn to the stories with male protagonists.  When I was a young child I was fairly equal opportunity, but most of the books I read as a child were things like Beatrix Potter and fairy tales, which are fairly well balanced in terms of gender representation.  For every story about a princess in a tower, there's a story about a young man becoming a prince.  And for every Peter Rabbit, there's a Jemima Puddleduck. 

The young adult books, though, were AWFUL.  I could never stand "Babysitters' Club" or "Sweet Valley High."  I tried to read "Little Women" and just couldn't do it.  They bored the living daylights out of me.  That's what ended up drawing me into fantasy and sci-fi novels; they were so much more interesting than the typical girly fare, and they could have heroes or heroines doing equally fun things.  I still don't care for sci-fi or fantasy novels centered around a female protagonist, though.  Very rarely do I find one where the female lead isn't either A) a stone cold bitch I'd love to kick the shit out of, or B) a whiny victim. 

152 I just thought of one other "ironic" thing for this thread. It wasn't too long ago that we were discussing on the Monty Sunday book thread about how most books were now written from the point of view, or addressed to, women. That because most book sales are now to women.

So who most likely buys all these children's book. Most likely women. So even if this 'study" was correct it would most likely be women driving the "boy" book sales.

153 I still don't care for sci-fi or fantasy novels centered around a female protagonist, though.  Very rarely do I find one where the female lead isn't either A) a stone cold bitch I'd love to kick the shit out of, or B) a whiny victim.

Have you read David Weber's Honor Harrington series? She is neither and it is an outstanding series

154  Anne of Green Gables
Little Women
Narnia Stories (2 girls 2 boys)
Cat in the Hat (sexless, but a male (I guess)
Asterix books (all male, pretty much)
TinTin (all male, with gay undertones)
Annie
Pippi Longstockings

Wind in the Willows (all male)


Oh, who gives a fuck what this guy said.  Fuck him.

155 Thank you
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156 Maybe this has already been said, but, what if the bad guys are also usually male in those books.

157 Because girls don't like fart jokes. Or farts.

158 There is an entire series of shows on Bravo called "The Real Housewives of____." NY,Miami,DC,Orange County,Atlanta,Beverly Hills,NJ. How come there is no show called ,"TheReal Men of New York City or Beverly Hills or San Francisco or- never mind. I answered my own question.

159 “It’s like ‘queer’ in the ‘80s,” she said. “That was a derogatory term and it’s almost been reclaimed. In a sense we’re trying to do that with ‘slut.’”"

Posted by: Soothsayer, AoS Team 6 at May 07, 2011 12:53 PM (uFokq)

Doing that is just gay.

160

Somebody asked why girl stories are toxic to boys, but not the other way around. Part of it is that to be tomboy is cool. Girls are allowed to cross gender lines, even encouraged to do so with gusto these days. Perhaps too much so, don't kid yourself, the 90 lbs female warrior in the movies with all her ninja moves taking out all the big tough guys is a total fiction, and girls will get destroyed on high school football teams.

Yet the fact remains that boy-stuff is not off-limits to girls and girls are in fact encouraged to explore it. This is not true at all for boys. Girl-stuff is toxic to boys. Whereas girls gain status and praise by invading the boy-world, a boy will meet nothing but derision and scorn. Tomboys are good, girly-boys are a joke.

Failure to perform is also tolerated with girls. The girl out on the Little League field among the boys will get nothing but praise, re-inforcement, and positive notice by all spectators regardless of her athletic abilities. She might strike out every time, never catch a fly, never make an accurate throw, doesn't matter. Her male teammates will only get this kind of positive notice through exceptional play.

There was a credit card commercial a while back, featuring a woman who was doing all kinds of things with her new credit card. She was skiing! (and visibly sucking at it) Riding a motorcycle! (and visibly sucking at it) Golfing! (and visibly sucking at it). But it didn't matter one bit. She was a woman out there doing exciting things, and that was a selling point. Put a guy in that same comercial doing things in the same way, and the entire audience, men and women, would have one come-away, "That guy's a douche!"

Changing the gender bean-counts in children's stories isn't going to do a damn thing to change any of this, because all this falls out from nature. All this merely serves as another avenue for feminists to make busybody irritants of themselves in yet another area. Geena Davis has already started an effort to encourage young mothers to provide a running, feminist commentary when reading books or watching movies with their children. Always interjecting, "Did this character have to be a boy?" "Why are both those two roles male?", yada yada yada. That's Progressive, Positive Leadership! -- also, subversively screwing things up to where you might hardly be able to follow the movie with all that idiotic running commentary.

They're bitchy, spoiled brats.