1 is this the football thread?

2 And the MSM, especially in the UK, has been giving this shit credibility for the past X years to attack the evil of Big Pharma. If only government did this and not capitalists, there would be true safeguards for the people!!!111!!

3 In the 17th century, Thomas Hobbes described the life of man in his natural state as "nasty, brutish and short." The left, with every stupid idea and policy they advocate, is bound and determined to take us back there.

I think it was in Atlas Shrugged where Reardon had the vision of rice grains stolen from starving peasants piling up until the became rubies running through the fingers of a slack-faced oriental despot.

The left doesn't care that the majority suffer horribly from privation and want, they imagine that they will be at the top of the heap.

4 Jenny McCarthy sounds like someone who wanted, needed to find some one or some thing to blame for autism.

5 is this the football thread?

I laughed out loud.

6 I was watching Sports Center this morning and they were showing highlights of Delaware vs Somebody. They had a shot of Joe Biden and his stupid wife in the stands pretending to know what's going on in the game.

7 Good post.

What strikes me is the left's reliance on "technology" to cure all of our ills. I am terrified of the medical care that we all will be receiving from the current crop of medical students. Not because of a lack of technology, but because of a lack of critical thinking. They are technicians, not scholars.

8 We've gone from "She's a witch!" to "Corporate Greed!". Humans are stupid, ignorant animals. Well, too many of us are.

9 I wonder if Jenny is going to write some nice letters to the families of those 10 dead babies.

10 Jenny McCarthy should shut up and take off her clothes. That's all she's good for.

11 Anyone who gets their medical information from the MFM or Jenny McCarthy will not be likely to have a long life.

12 Jenny McCarthy should shut up and take off her clothes. That's all she's good for. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at January 08, 2011 10:59 AM (LH6ir) Not for much longer.

13 I really think that too many in our world believe in magic.  The inevitable march of science and history is a delusion. 

Witness the continuous calls for more research money for this or that in the alternate energy field, as though scientific discoveries can be force, like broiler chickens.

14 eman yes

15 Jenny shouldn't feel bad. Ten babies. How many has lack of DDT killed or made miserable? How many have been thrown out of work or impoverished to pay for the global warming scam? How many members of a certain medieval cult have lost their lives to that cult?

16 For a good read on the DDT fraud and Nixon's criminal head of the EPA read about it in this pamplet.

http://tinyurl.com/38ugzvc

They ask for $5.00 for the paper version but you can download a pdf copy from the link on the right for free.

All kinds of fraudulent fake science are covered except for the phony ozone hole story.

Facts vs Fears fourth edition.

17 Does this and Global Warming remind anyone else of all the layers of fact-checking and professionalism that make the MFM so much more betterer than the clods in the blogosphere? Jenny McCarthy is one of the reasons Playboy is so popular: you can gaze at them but you can't hear them. Her voice, personality and intelligence level make shagging sheep look a real good alternative to listening to the likes of her.

18 Andy, job well done sir.  

19 As a father of an autistic son, I am suspect of vaccinations (particularly multi-drug cocktail immunizations) triggering autoimmune issues in susceptible children.  That doesn't mean I don't have my kids vaccinated, but I wish we had spaced out the shots so his system didn't get the multiple blast at once.

My concerns center on the fact that at age 5 he also became a type-1 diabetic, which has known autoimmune factors.  What role might they play in autism?  I don't think the research is clear, but given the crossover of the two afflicitons, I have to wonder.

20 There's a bit more than Wakefield going on with the disease outbreaks in Britain.  Islam is somewhere from undecided to hostile to vaccination, so there's a hot zone in the Muslim areas that spill over into the rest of the country.

21 My daughter has Aspergers, thats a mild form of Autism. She functions well but some of her behaviors turn our house upside down. I understand Jenny's need to find an answer and place blame. She is not right, but I understand why she does what she does. The day science stopped being science was the day the people funding that science had a vested intrest in the outcome. I don't know when that started but I know it can be stopped through non partisan control of public funding. I'm not smart enough to have an actual plan but I am sure there are those who are.

22 The people who believe the vaccinations/autism link will say the debunking was paid for by Big Pharm.  It is sad.  They have an overwhelming desire for a cause/enemy that's close enough to take a swing at.

23 Anyone who was around in the 60s knows all the crap that they had to do to link smoking with cancer. stuff like smearing those ubiquitous white rats with pounds of smoking tar and feeding them with hundreds of times their body weight in it.

Also who can forget the "cigarette smoking machines" that they used?

They did that for years because at the time it did take some kind of valid research before the politicians would punch out a bad law.

But that cigarette stuff led to the other in the classic slippery slope fashion. A lot of us knew that it would start with cigarettes and move on. It did.

Now we have the infamous second hand smoke "study" that was actually based on NOTHING.  It was so bad that a court threw it out on the first challenge. Didn't matter, the government still uses it despite that fact and nobody cares because EVERYONE hates smoking.

24 After Obamacare, the next House attack needs to be on the EPA.  Defund the EPA if their batshit CO2 ways don't stop.  For extra credit:  any way to deny funding to states if they don't do likewise?  CA and NY are into that insanity, and while I sort of want NY to fail at this point (bankruptcy, baby!), I'll take some House action...

25  24 There's a bit more than Wakefield going on with the disease outbreaks in Britain.  Islam is somewhere from undecided to hostile to vaccination, so there's a hot zone in the Muslim areas that spill over into the rest of the country.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix

I question that part of the study as well.  The rise in TB and Whooping Cough is from increased travel and immigration from the third world.  I had Whooping Cough and can trace it right back to a missionary from Africa who stayed at a friend's house here in the US.  That vaccination you got as a kid wears off around age 40.

26 To paint all scientists the same as that slime Wakefield is like saying all conservatives are racists. You KNOW that's not true, and you're damn well depending on science to help your autistic child just like I'm depending on it to help mine. Nobody bitches about fraudulent science when it gives them new miracle drugs, new technology, or new weapons that keep our country safer. Stop picking only the science you LIKE.

27 As a point of clarification, the Dr. Andrew Wakefield's 1998 report links the thimersol (or thimerosal), used to perserve the MMR vaccine, to autism.

28 Vic - word.

29 Putting aside for the moment the issue of fraud, it was still a gross violation of scientific standards that this bit of research ever saw the light of day. The study was based on a total sample size of 12 - yes, 12 - subjects. It never had an ounce of statistical validity and shouldn't have been published with such a miniscule sample size, except maybe as a call for a legitimate, larger scale study to see if the results would be born out. But Wakefield's study on it's own is statistically meaningless.

30 Scientists are people. The reality is any given scientific paper is more likely to be false than true. Only after large bodies of research support the same finding should we believe it with any confidence. You can get a single peer-reviewed paper to say just about anything.

There are multiple reasons for this:

1) Publish or perish pressure within the science industry (and it is an industry).
2) Few career rewards or plaudits for confirming findings of other researchers -- the incentives are strong to publish original research with a novel finding.
3) Huge incentives for novel, positive findings, not negative. Negative findings are often not-publishable. When scientists get a negative result they analyze it rigorously to find errors, when they get a positive result they assume everything went as planned and publish. Normal human self-delusion is the culprit. We blind ourselves to see what we want to see.
4). Statistics are hard. Most researchers are not capable of spotting their own statistical errors. Most papers contain statistical errors.
5) Thorough peer review is hard, time-consuming and not rewarded. Peer review is done by working scientists. They do not have the time or interest in doing an in-depth review of a new paper. They do a cursory review to make sure it seems plausible and that's all. Most also lack the stats knowledge to detect statistical errors or fraud in the finding.

31 Nobody bitches about fraudulent science when it gives them new miracle drugs, new technology, or new weapons that keep our country safer.

If it's fraudulent science, it doesn't.

32 Wait a minute... I thought it was all Bush's fault

33

Wakefield is the lettered equivalent of a prostitute.  Whomever wrote Wakefield's cheques decided what the answer would be.

It is a war against classical empirical science that demands results that can be repeated.  We are reverting to superstition.  Instead of the witchdoctor we got this supposed boffin in a white coat telling us the answer he wants to push.  Critical thinking is becoming scarce.  Instead we are raising legions of the braindead who chant mantras but do not comprehend the implications.  They are becoming no different than howler monkeys screeching.

Eugenics was the ideology of humans perfecting the human race.  So for example California sterilised 20,000 of its own citizens to prevent those bad genes from being passed on.  Wakefield's ideology was to get money, screw whomever got hurt or killed.  I consider Wakefield far more evil than Sanger.  Wakefield needs to be publically flogged.

34 Medical and Psychiatric journals started to become heavily politicized in the 1970's.  One of the primary influences was from the people who wanted to "normalize" abortion.  All of these were liberals, many of them feminists.  They pressured the journals to approve politically correct studies and the peer review process, which is iffy at best and relies on the integrity of the participants, became corrupted to a level where even the most prestigious journals were publishing crap science like "conservatives are mentally ill" papers.  You no longer can trust a journal article without doing your own confirming research. 

35 33 You are absolutely right.  And you probably know the big Prozac Scare came from a letter to the editor about 6 subjects, which was then spun into hysteria by a certain litigious bogus religion.

36 The study was based on a total sample size of 12 - yes, 12 - subjects.

That was the thing that put it into the 'crap' category for me.  You couldn't make a better chocolate chip cookie sampling only 12 people.

37 Considering the numbers of people who may die for lack of vaccine, Wakefield ought to get the death penalty. But England of course, once the scourge of the seas and no pussies, is now one of the most craven and cowardly countries on the planet. Thank you Labour!

38 >>>Posted by: JEA Shut the fuck up and fuck you, dunce.

39 Scientific Consensus on Man-Made Ozone Hole May Be Coming Apart

As the world marks 20 years since the introduction of the Montreal Protocol to protect the ozone layer, Nature has learned of experimental data that threaten to shatter established theories of ozone chemistry. If the data are right, scientists will have to rethink their understanding of how ozone holes are formed and how that relates to climate change.

40 La bour? Isn't that French for 'Allah is a candy-ass'?

41 Meanwhile back at Cal State University, one of my nephew's textbooks is called The Republican War on Science. The review in Scientific American blares, "Thomas Jefferson would be appalled. More than two centuries after he helped to shape a government based on the idea that reason and technological advancement would propel the new United States into a glorious future, the political party that now controls that government [written during Bush admin] has largely turned its back on science."

42

This progressives are real bastards.  Take for and additional example the HHS bull shit studies that voila now recommends AGAINST mammograms at 40 on account now I guess 50 is the new 40, accoring to them and also they now recommend skipping a year between mammograms.

Oh, and then of course there was the recommendation to take the breast cancer drug of the market which means even if it becomes an 'off label' drug, insurance companies won't pick it up, nor medicare.

Then look at the 3rd paragraph in the Medicare Trustees report and you will find written in code health care rationing.  Oh, and as for the Trustees, guess who they are there.  They are the secretaries of HHS, Treasury, Labor and SOS Admin.  There are supposed to be 2 outside Trustees.  But guess what, their spots remain "Vacant."

This healthcare law is one of the most nefarious frauds out there.  When you understand the behind the scenes players in this and what they have written and what they propose, you will want to throw up.

I'm going to be riding herd on the GOP to see the two outside Trustees are fast tracked and suggest legislation be draftedto make the Trustees entirely independent.  An independent group of Trustees, now I suppose that's heresy in the great progressive fraud play.

 

 

43

Medical and Psychiatric journals started to become heavily politicized in the 1970's.  One of the primary influences was from the people who wanted to "normalize" abortion.

And homosexuality, too. The psychiatric profession was lobbied hard (or intimidated) at around the same time into removing homosexuality from the list of psyciatric disorders. The reasoning at the time being that it was just a different lifestyle choice. But now that they don't want to be discriminated against for what they once called a lifestyle choice, it is no longer a choice and is now their genetic destiny. Sorry, can't have it both ways. And whatever cause you attribute to it, homosexuality is not "normal". The word has a meaning, and what I object to most is the violence done to our language for political ends.

44

States are starting to tax grocery bags (plastic and paper) to change the behavior of consumers. The reuseable bags harbor ecoli and probably other things. When children die or lose a kidney because their parents thoughtfully carried home the groceries in disease laden reusable bags, who should the parents blame? They could blame the state/environmentalists who pushed this circumstance or they could blame themselves for not looking at or even hearing consequences.

In a focus group I said that I don't use the reuseable bags because I buy too much to carry around 12 dirty bags to the store. They all looked at me like I were an alien. There is a desire to conform to the wishes of the state.

45 I have 3 kids with Autism, ranging from Asperger's for the oldest (a girl) to autism for the two boys. I never believed the "MMR causes autism" hype for one minute, though I've had to put up with well-meaning friends sending me clipped articles on it for over 15 years. All three of my kids are very different from each other, physically, mentally and emotionally, and it just seemed too convenient that lightning should strike THREE time in one family when the majority of kids have no trouble with vaccines. I think it's pretty obvious that autism is genetic in origin, though there are exceptions. I liken it to families where generation after generation of women develop breast cancer, and then there are cases where a woman will get breast cancer right out of the blue, with no history of it in her family. It isn't a foolproof formula, but genetics plays a large role. The aftereffects of this sort of faux science is visible everywhere. The average person doesn't bother to study the science, they just absorb a vague "Vaccinations make you sick" message and act accordingly. Last year during the flu outbreak, people refused to get the flu vaccine because they were convinced that doing so would GIVE THEM the flu. They have no idea why or how, just a media-generated suspicion that "they" don't care if they kill us with their drugs.

46 Nobody bitches about fraudulent science when it gives them new miracle drugs, new technology, or new weapons that keep our country safer.

Stop picking only the science you LIKE.

Posted by: JEA at January 08, 2011 11:16 AM (Ii5Th)

The science you are talking about is science that works. It has been proven and produced a product to improve all of our lives.

The junk science is passed off with the title "Study". That science produces nothing more that fake or manipulated statistics to forward the authors agenda.

Peer review dosen't work, most of the reviewers are friends of the authors and they stamp these studies with their approval. They are also usually aynonomous.

47

apologies for the typos and syntax errors in my previous post.  Journolist hasn't had coffee and was up laaaaaaaate.

 

 

48 I had the whooping cough this summer and it nearly killed me. This strain was stronger than the usual. The vax does indeed wear off, but these new strains from the 3rd world combined with people maintaining an unvaxed population of schoolkids creates a perfect storm. I wish they understood that vaccinations cause organ failure and brain damage very rarely in those who dont tolerate them well, not likely autism. My Neuro who specializes in pediatrics, and specifically autism told me the researchers she respects suspect there is a genetic component might be more likely and have something to do with highly intelligent people marrying each other more often. that high IQ is a mutation and likely carries other recessives. In the past, smart men often married nice girls who were homemakers, picked for nice personality and looks maybe, no always as brilliant as they were. More often these days people pick mates at work, at the same intelligence and education level, and more likely those smart people carry the same recessives. It was an interesting discussion she was willing to have since my Adopted daughter is a little Aspy, and i am a horse breeder used to such frank discussions. upshot: Some researchers are looking into the theory that smart people= more likely to have this problem. what a sad backhanded compliment

49 btw, who else thinks we should stop calling our kids our sons & daughters? Why should we compartmentalize them like that because of social constructs created by ancient white males? I think 'offspring who identifies as male' and 'offspring who identifies as female' is much more progressive and fair. Also, instead of brothers & sisters, I'd rather we all say siblings.

50

Liberals are dangerously simple-minded emotionalists - like Nazi supporters.

51 La bour? Isn't that French for 'Allah is a candy-ass'?

Posted by: ...and to drink, Peru! at January 08, 2011 11:33 AM (HhQlw)

Ooh! Double-secret Better Off Dead reference!

I tip my hat to you, sir!

52 There are multiple reasons for this:

Excellent post, bobbo, among many here. My newly ex-lefty friend asked me wide-eyed the other day why scientists would lie about global warming. I explained to her about Where The Money Is. I'm going to keep your list for supplemental info.

53 cui bono?

54 Wakefield's fraudulent study and the "Lancet" are one thing, however, there are other major issues here that need to be corrected.

We will always have scam artists and con men, especially in the government which seems to attract crooks like nectar to bees.

But it is the job of the MFM and "investigative reporting" to expose them for the crooks they are. Instead every bogus study that is reported is hailed by the MFM in the exact words the con men use. This was no exception. The MFM will repeat it endlessly if it does anything to make evil business or Republicans look bad.

55

arhooley, good job, she should have come around at the mention of, carbon credits. 

That's the new qualifier, if they don't come around at carbon credits, cancel the drinks.

56  But Wakefield's study on it's own is statistically meaningless.

Posted by: somebody else, not me at January 08, 2011 11:18 AM (7EV/g)

This is the key... Science must be done correctly, and the "Peers" must actually REVIEW the study with a critical eye...

My Father died of Brain Cancer... a 1 in 1 Million case (because of the type)... World renowned Doctor told me there was no Genetic component... but then my Dad's younger brother died of the exact same 1 in 1 million Brain Cancer just 6 months later...

So statisticly there is a 100% correlation of that Genetic pool dieing of that Brain cancer .... but of course, that does not mean there is actually any validity to it...

57 hi {{gush}} glad you survived!

58 Typical Lefty drivel.  You can't talk about it UNLESS you have autistic children.

I have the ultimate FYNQ to that "absolute moral authority" line.

Unfortunately parents like that one are desperate to cling onto any cause, real or imagined, and provide fertile ground for charlatans like Wakefield.

Thanks for posting that, CDR M.

59 There is a scientific reason for the dramatic increases in the diagnosis of autism.  For now, it appears that the MMR vaccine is not the reason.

Thanks being said.  I'll skip the extra side of mercury as a binding agent for my multi-dose immunization.  Thanks.

60 One key to understanding any "study" is whether or not it and it's methods have been published and are available for review by the public.

The MFM rarely even described the "methods" much less provide any reporting on the actual study itself.

All you ever get is the infamous "studies show that....".

If there is no indication of the study or its methods you can pretty much bank that it is bull shit.

61 47 The debate and outrage over delisting Homosexuality as a disorder with no science to back it up went on for twenty years after the fact in the Psychiatric Times and the Annals of Psychiatry, both of which I read at the time.  It was a strictly a political decision and those who respected science as a process never accepted it as anything but a PC capitulation.

62 My only issue with vaccines is that some of them are made using cell lines derived from abortions. Rubella is one of these.  So is chickenpox. So is Polio. So is Hep-A.

Like any harvesting of tissue (such as when the 14 week old baby boy's lung tissue was harvested for the cell line MRC-5 - dead tissue is worthless. So you can bet your boots when they ripped him out he was alive and perhaps even struggling to live when he was dissected for his tissue.
No anesthesia. No nothing.
Just a barbaric murder.
And it wasn't just him. The rubella vax cell line was developed on the 28th abortion. The first 27 babies were just throwaway research.

Vaccine list:
http://www.cogforlife.org/vaccineList.pdf

63 Nevermind the fact that OTHER COUNTRIES use chicken fetal cells, monkey cells, etc. to develop their vax.
But using a dead chicken hardly advances the cause of cheapening human life and furthering the abortion-on-demand whenever-wherever movement.

64 As a point of clarification, the Dr. Andrew Wakefield's 1998 report links the thimersol (or thimerosal), used to perserve the MMR vaccine, to autism.

No it doesn't. Wakefield said he believed it was the live measles virus in the vaccine. Thimerosal was a different bit of junk science.

65 I don't know...I got all kinds of vaccines as a kid and in the service, and now look where I've been hanging out.

66 It's the caaahntrails, maaannn.

67 On the subject of manipulated science, and hell, health care: Avastin. Rushed through and approved for breast cancer treatment. Accepted in Canada and the EU. However, it costs $70,000-$100,000 for treatment. The drug company offers a discounted rate to low income users w/ insurance. Post-Obamacare, the follow-up studies by the FDA conveniently found "its risks outweigh its benefits", and cited costs as one of the risks. it only "costs a lot" through the treatment if it works. A lot cheaper if the patient just, well, dies. Still approved for other cancers, and can be prescribed "off label" for breast cancer- but since the FDA pulled it's endorsement as BC treatment, those insurance companies aren't going to cover it anymore. It takes years of research and study and real, critical review (not the rubberstamped nonsense we see with climate change) to prove or disprove something. Unless you are the FDA.

68

Hmmm... if this does rise to the level of actualy Fraud (falsification of data), and because of this people died... ie did not get vaccinated because of this study...

Does it rise to the level of Negligent Homicide?

In the DDT fraud I think it would... not sure here...

69 HI PG! I MISS YOU !!!!!

70 How old are you? Are you in a union? Are you a Democrat? Do you contribute to Democrats? How big is your carbon footprint?

71 ((gush)) miss you too!

72 'In the 17th century, Thomas Hobbes described the life of man in his natural state as "nasty, brutish and short."'

Just because I like the quote, Hobbes wrote, "solitary, poor, nasty, brutish and short." Not really nitpicking - I just like the rhythm of that statement.

Great article.

73 http://tinyurl.com/26gdq2u
Parents abort IVF conceived male twins because they wanted a girl to replace a daughter that died at birth. I can't even wrap my mind around this THEN I read the comments and find that the austrailians are pissed that the state could lose the court battle to pay for sex selection in an additional IVF treatment. They aren't so freaked about the killing of IVF babies. The argument appears to be around the govt paying for their cruelty not the cruelty itself.

74 74 How old are you?
Are you in a union?
Are you a Democrat?
Do you contribute to Democrats?
How big is your carbon footprint?

Posted by: Death Panelist at January 08, 2011 11:51 AM (uFokq)

<Lets not get carried away here.

75
And of course anyone who dared suggest that the science was flawed or that more research was needed was attacked ad hominem and accused of being a shill of Big Oil Pharma...

+1

...or being a shill of a profiteering govt. policy/mandate or a shill for a conspiracy theory, criticism cuts all ways.  

Thomas Hobbes, Empirical Science, and critical review, consider it all.

Looking at the UN or WHO for examples, however, doesn't convinced that humans have evolved into better trustworthy creatures via science/technology.

76 When we were newlyweds my husband had to get an entirely new set of vaccines for law school because he had no record of the first set. A couple of years after that he wasn't as attentive and tuned me out while he watched tv. Connections?

77 Dagny,
Remember that LA journalist Amy something who, upon finding out she was carrying triplets, promptly aborted two of them so she, and I quote: "wouldn't have to shop at Costco for mayonnaise."
And then she WROTE ABOUT IT.

Her description of how matter of fact she was when she looked at the three heartbeats and thought, "Wow, in a few minutes two of them will stop" was chilling.

Gonna have to move some of those bastards out of the 9th circle of hell and up to the 8th soon to make room for the REAL evil ones.

78

The root cause of this scandal is Trial Lawyers without restraint.  This is yet another reason why Tort Reform is desperately needed NOW.  Lawyers offered cash to the scientist for a certain set of results just so they could sue Big Pharma over it.

If the enormous cash incentive for professional victims and their ambulance chaser accomplices were removed they'd go elsewhere or dry up and blow away.

As the old joke goes...

Q. What do you call 10,000 lawyers at the bottom of the sea?

A. A good start.

79 Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!

80 #52 gushka - "the researchers she respects suspect there is a genetic component might be more likely and have something to do with highly intelligent people marrying each other more often. " I think that's exactly right, though I wouldn't go so far as to link it explicitly to intelligence and IQ. It's more a slightly off-balance way of seeing the world. People with Asperger's are drawn to each other, and can find each other in a crowd. My daughter's friends have ALWAYS been Aspie types, even if they're undiagnosed (and after as much exposure to it as we've had, believe me I can always pick up the telltale signs). My husband and I are both undiagnosed Aspie's - of course, nobody knew when we were young, but in hindsight it's obvious (I even did the hand-flapping thing when I was young!). As we grew up we managed to figure out on our own compensating ways of managing in the world, but when we met it was obvious that we had a lot in common. Unfortunately, we produced a genetic cocktail with rather wild results. I think you're specialist is completely right that a lot of autistic people self-select and gravitate to each other, with the result that the genetic strain is perpetuated and even intensified.

81 82 I'm just stunned by that stuff. I don't think people are naturally that way and have had their thinking/emotions manipulated by the educational system and the media. These people killed to boys because a daughter died. It doesn't even make sense.

82

Peer-reviewed "research" supporting a foregone conclusion published in a leading science journal? Research no one else can independently replicate and arrive at the same result? All of this seems awfully familiar.

Good science journals try to limit the conversion of "peer-review" to "pal-review" by not allowing people you collaborate with or have significant ties to to review your work.  Sadly, the "Globull Warming" journals have skirted even this minimal standard, as we saw with the Mann, Jones, Briffa, et al Climategate scandal.

And peer-review isn't the end-all in validating sound scientific work.  Only independent replication of experimental results can validate them. 

83 #82 It was a journalist for a new york newspaper actually- something about having to "live on Staten Island and shop at Costco" Even the more eviller.

84 Amy Richards, thats the one.

85
They had a shot of Joe Biden and his stupid wife in the stands pretending to know what's going on in the game.

Posted by: Soothsayer at January 08, 2011 10:52 AM (uFokq)

Let me tell ya, Delaware was ambushed, like General Mustard at the Battle of Little Fat Boy.  They released a volley, but in the end their shootout came just short of the foul line.

86 Ozone is created when ultraviolet light from the sun strikes the atmosphere. Ozone is also being constantly destroyed by the atmosphere. 

I am sure that the lack of ultraviolet light during the Arctic and Antarctic winters has nothing to do with the Ozone holes. Absolutely nothing; not one thing in the world, nada, zip, beep, zero, zed, irrelevant. Must be man made, can't possibly be a natural phenomenon.

Nor would the fact that the earth is closer to the sun during the arctic winter and thus receives more UV light  at the North pole than at the south pole - have anything to do with the fact that the Arctic ozone home is smaller than the Antarctic hole.

Funny, since most of the evil CFC's originate in the Northern Hemisphere you would think that the Arctic hole would be larger.

87 I even did the hand-flapping thing when I was young!

Dr Mabuse, do you have a link to a reasonably complete breakdown of the Asperger's Syndrome symptom set?  I've dug through a few of them and they don't mention body motions like this.  I'll admit to being more than a bit curious about this since I fit that mold more than I care to admit.

Thanks.

88

Just to remind all of you, cease and desist using the terms Mom, Mother, Dad or Father.  These terms have been banned from use in the United States of America.  They offend approximately 1% of the population. 

That is all

89 Must be man made, can't possibly be a natural phenomenon.

Look up the concept of "equilibirium" and return to us.

90 I'd wager half of the commenters here are Aspies or something similar. I suspect myself of being Aspie.

91

Ah, yes, CAC.

It was this article.

Costco? Horrifying.

Injecting sodium penathol into two of my kids' beating hearts? Hey, that gives me an idea for a column!

http://tinyurl.com/3w6nx

92

In the DDT fraud I think it would... not sure here...

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 08, 2011 11:50 AM (AdK6a)

What is especially irksome about the DDT scam wasn't the research done by the fledgling EPA. The research said there was no evidence that it was "harmful".

Rucklesnot overrode the recommendation of the then EPA scientists and ordered it banned anyway for pure political reasons.

And so the political EPA was born right from the beginning in a nominal "Republican" administration. That is if you consider Nixon a Republican.

93 OT:  just saw an interview of Michelle Bachman on Fox.  Uma did a fabulous interview.  Michelle was brilliant as usual.

As regards this medical stuff, what happened to science that suddenly people are willing to lie about results, isn't this the very basis of science, that your results can be replicated?

94 Fuck you, JEA.

What part of fraudulent is giving you trouble this morning?

We are so fucking far from the doctors even understanding where to start fighting this awful shit that those of us with autistic kids will be lucky to see a cure while we live, barring some polio-vaccine-style miracle.

My wife and I got a briefing in October about our 2.5yo son.

Here is the rendered down sum total summary given to us by all the doctors and "professionals"of what science has done since they have been fighting this evil motherfucker:
Nobody knows what causes it.
Nobody knows how to prevent it.
Nobody knows how to get rid of it.
We know almost nothing about how to help anyone live with it.
We can't tell how bad it is.
We can't tell you how bad it is going to be.
We can't tell if it is going to get better.
We can't tell when we'll know any more about anything.

But we are pretty fucking sure you better come see us for two hours a day, four days a week at $150/hr and sign these 27pg forms.

My point being, fraudulent science burns up time, money, credibility, hope, and lives.

Take anyone deliberately falsifying medical research and imprison them for 25 to life.

95 Lucifer just commissioned a new circle in Hell for Wakefield and all who sail in him...

96 Another of The Lancet's bogus studies was that Iraqi civilian death study > 600,000 deaths.

97

Lets have the book of redefinitions.  First entry, Marriage followed by Mother and Father.

98 I'd wager half of the commenters here are Aspies or something similar.

I have no conscience or empathy.  Is that a symptom?

99

DDT did a job on me

Now I am a real sickie

Guess I'm gonna have to tell 'em

That I got no cerebellum

100 And peer-review isn't the end-all in validating sound scientific work. Only independent replication of experimental results can validate them. Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at January 08, 2011 12:03 PM (c0A3e) Yep. Saw that very thing first hand. I tried to duplicate something in a paper and failed. It seemed more likely their results were correct and their reported technique was not. Then when I figured out what they likely really did to get their results, and tried that, it worked. Sloppy note-taking on their part is the likely culprit, I think.

101 heh, I saw that

Me too.  I commented on the article about how blatantly unfair it was to Parent#3 and 4.  I don't know if it ever got through moderation.

102 Related to this post, the Piers Corbyn videos (one of the series is linked in the sidebar) are fucking awesome.  It's nice to see someone with the brains and balls say what we are feeling.  You won't be disappointed.

103 I wish there were better answers for other disorders, too.  If you look up the long form monographs on any psychotropic drugs, the majority say something like "the exact mechanism of action is unknown" which means "we have no idea how or why this works".  Modern medicine is barely 150 years old with most of the best of it in the last 60 years.  Psychiatry is a little over a hundred years old and was primitive through the 1960's.  It still is in some places.  In fact in some countries medicine and psychiatry barely exist at all in any meaningful sense.  We have a long way to go.

104 I don't think women should be punished by having to shop at Costco.

105 I agree. The left advances a luddite mentality amongst its minions. If you were creating a new aristocracy wouldn't you want the peasants to oppose technology and science? The dumber they are the easier to control they are. They didn't let slaves read back in the day either.

106 In the 1960's we had this artificial sweetener called sodium cyclamates. They were banned because a study linked them to liver cancer in lab rats.

The researcher gave massive quantities of them to the rats and nothing happened. Finally he started injecting them directly into the rat's livers, and voila: liver cancer. Banned sweetener.

It later turned out that injecting normal saline solution the same way caused the same rate of liver cancer in lab rats. A further study showed that sticking a dry needle into lab rat's livers caused the same liver cancer rate.

Sodium Cyclamates remain banned as a sweetener in the US.
  

107

In the 17th century, Thomas Hobbes described the life of man in his natural state as "nasty, brutish and short." The left, with every stupid idea and policy they advocate, is bound and determined to take us back there.

* rubs hands together, Mr. Burns' style*

Excellent.

Can we take any solace in the fact that after one lone scientist (in California, of all places!) stood up to the farce of globaloney that a few hundred more joined in?  If I were looking for someone to conduct a climatology study that had any integrity, I'd call someone from that crowd.  Let's see how long it takes to get "stand-up" scientists from other fields.

108 I finally took last night's test.  It turns out I'm only 80% evil.  Disappointing.

109 What strikes me is the left's reliance on "technology" to cure all of our ills. I am terrified of the medical care that we all will be receiving from the current crop of medical students. Not because of a lack of technology, but because of a lack of critical thinking. They are technicians, not scholars. Posted by: CharlieBrown's We are back from the ER with our daughter, age 15, who has been suffering from unexplained back and stomach pain for a year and a half. 18 months. In Virginia, she had three MRI's, x-rays, physical therapy, blood tests, more blood tests, and a testy doctor who essentially told her it was all in her head. Apparently he never ordered a simple lypase evaluation. She went to our new doc here in Florida on Thursday, with intensification of her symptoms, and by Friday, he got the results and sent her to the hospital. She's in the beginning of pancreatic failure. Symptoms? Stomach and back pain. She went through hell for so long, and became clinically depressed because she thought she would have to live with this pain forever, since it was "in her head." I understand that doctors are humans, and make mistakes, but you hit the nail on the head with the lack of critical thinking. We now start on a new set of doctors and tests, and I am praying that there nothing that can't be fixed. But I am afraid. And I am more afraid if Obamacare is not repealed. And yes, fraudulent publishing should have severe consequences, including jail time, because people can and have been harmed by it. Seems only right.

110 Since a few of you seem to be going through the same thing, I won't even get into how the State of California  suddenly thinks that it is an equal member of your family as soon as they find out you have an autistic kid.

Why, they seem to be very comfortable with giving us advise on everything! How splendid.

My son is two and a half.

A 24yo "expert" with 0 kids told us last week that we needed to remove all guns from our home for safety. Strange that she never mentioned the butcher block full of knives and cleavers sitting on the kitchen counter or the swords hung on the walls.

I told her, "If he can find the combination to the gun safe lock inside my head with ESP, operate the safe latch with his little arm, lift them out, load them,take out the trigger locks with his ESP, and hurt himself... he's not autistic. HE'S A FUCKING BABY SUPERHERO."

She doesn't like me. We don't get along.

111 Sodium Cyclamates remain banned as a sweetener in the US.

Posted by: An Observation at January 08, 2011 12:31 PM (ylhEn)

The cyclamates fraud is covered starting at page 12 of the Facts vs Fears book. Note that most of the rest of the world has lifted the ban but not the U.S.

Someone obviously had stock in a saccharine company which got its own fraudulent study in 1977.

112 O/T Friday night news dump:

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – President Barack Obama, in a setback to hopes for the quick closing of the Guantanamo Bay prison, reluctantly signed a bill on Friday barring suspects held there from being brought to the United States for trial.

113 I told her, "If he can find the combination to the gun safe lock inside my head with ESP, operate the safe latch with his little arm, lift them out, load them,take out the trigger locks with his ESP, and hurt himself... he's not autistic. HE'S A FUCKING BABY SUPERHERO." She doesn't like me. We don't get along. Posted by: sifty I like you based on that statement.

114 reluctantly signed a bill

Didn't he do a signing statement saying that as CiC, he wasn't bound by that provision?

115 Strange that she never mentioned the butcher block full of knives and cleavers sitting on the kitchen counter or the swords hung on the walls.

That kind of lack of thinking drives me up the wall. Don't let the kids play with toy guns because they can't tell the difference between toys and the real thing...aww, look how cute it is when Johnny crashes his toy cars together!

116

Just to remind all of you, cease and desist using the terms Mom, Mother, Dad or Father.  These terms have been banned from use in the United States of America.  They offend approximately 1% of the population. 

Since this recommendation is so globally popular, I can't wait to see what the deciders in China and the muzzy countries do with this.

117 some leftard dipshit on Fox crying about the repeal, answering the question that innovation will be killed by ObamaCare. 

I want to study his tears!! Give me money! I know I can prove that women are not turned on by men's tears.

118 Reviewers should never know whose research they are reviewing. It should be anonymous.
A researcher should never know who is reviewing their research. It should be anonymous.

119 Didn't he do a signing statement saying that as CiC, he wasn't bound by that provision?

He stated that he was going to try to work with Congress to undo it. Code for his base: "It's not my fault."

120 Posted by: dagny at January 08, 2011 11:58 AM (74LTB)

There is a well-documented cure for this terrible affliction.

It is celebrated as a holiday too! I believe it is called Steak and a BJ Day.

121

Just to remind all of you, cease and desist using the terms Mom, Mother, Dad or Father. 

Let's try this out.

Because I'm the Parent #2, that's why.

Happy Parent #1 Day!

Go ask your Parent #2.

122 Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at January 08, 2011 12:03 PM (c0A3e)

Most people don't understand what peer review actually means. My guess is that the vast majority believe that peer review means that the results were checked and found to be correct.

123 Parent One, Parent Two.

It's pure monoga-normative bigotry, that's what it is.

124

I should sue to have them changed to Parent A, Parent B, Parent C, ...

Yeh, numbering people as "1" and "2" is just so judgemental. How do you choose who is number 1??

125 Speaking of Fox, this morning, I got an unexpected treat when they had LTC West on to debate with a libtard congress critter.  When they got to the debt ceiling issue, West concluded by talking about business and entrepreneurship needed in a big way.  He said that the prez of BET has invited him to talk about those issues related to the black community.  Huh.  Could this be the first exposure of a conservative, kick-butt black man to the 98% democrat black audience? 

126 Additional Blond Agent, I used to have a book or two on Autism, but once the kids were diagnosed I pretty much lost interest in READING about it, since I was spending all my time LIVING it. I'll see if I can find a compact list of symptoms - there are a fair number, and if you score more than a certain percent of them, you can be classified as falling within the "Autism Spectrum Disorder". I remember before our son was diagnosed, I already suspected the problem but my husband was very much in denial about it. I began reading off to him the symptom list, most of which Thomas fitted, and he was able to pooh-pooh most of them, but eventually it became too overwhelming. "Flaps his hands" - "Oh, that's just because he's overexcited." "Lines up blocks or small objects in a line." - "He just likes Thomas the Tank Engine." "Little or no independent vocabulary." - "He's had a lot of ear infections." "Echolalia - repeats other people's words and lines from TV and movies" - "He spends a lot of time watching TV." "Walks on tiptoes." - "OH MY GOD!"

127 #137 So "Laura has Two Mommies" is now offensive to literally everyone. PC is verbal fascism.

128

I believe they do have a proven cure that I'm sure is moron reviewed.  A french maid outfit usually will snap him out of it.  Along with a sandwich.

There is a well-documented cure for this terrible affliction.

Yeah and I figured that out all on my own. Didn't even need a study. I'm still amazed that many women never come up with the cure.

129

Beginning January 1, 2011 all facts and/or truths about anything and everything are verboten.  These facts and/or truths are a national security threat, and are disrupting my goals as your president. All or most of the Democrats in this country understand why we must outlaw facts and truths.  Lying is best for all of us. 

130 Posted by: moki at January 08, 2011 12:35 PM (dZmFh)

I hope that all turns out well with your daughter.

I am from a family of physicians, and have become quite critical of the obvious and frequent lapses of critical and logical thinking among even well-trained young physicians. I now question everything, go immediately to the literature (a huge thanks to Al Gore and his invention of the internet), and push them for their rationale and logic behind their suggestions and decisions.

131 "Walks on tiptoes." - "OH MY GOD!"

Man, that all sounds awfully familiar.  Not an exact match but too close for comfort.  I appreciate your effort here to find a link as you mentioned.

132

http://tinyurl.com/y9el5vs

Turns out Jenny's son Evan never had autism, after all.  She's quietly reversing her position on vaccines, as we speak.  As Roseanne Roseannadanna used to say, "Never mind." 

133

"Echolalia - repeats other people's words and lines from TV and movies"

jebus, that makes up half of the comments around here.

134 Posted by: sifty at January 08, 2011 12:36 PM (8dbwr)

Her brain (or lack thereof) is far more dangerous than your guns.

135 30 To paint all scientists the same as that slime Wakefield is like saying all conservatives are racists.

You KNOW that's not true, and you're damn well depending on science to help your autistic child just like I'm depending on it to help mine.

Nobody bitches about fraudulent science when it gives them new miracle drugs, new technology, or new weapons that keep our country safer.

Stop picking only the science you LIKE.

Posted by: JEA at January 08, 2011 11:16 AM (Ii5Th)

Except for the fact that liberals always paint all conservatives as racist. Fraudulent science produces new technology? What color is the sky in your world? Only took three sentences to completely beclown yourself this time, think that may be a personal best.

136 145 I have to believe that they don't want to come up with the cure.  Too bad.  1)  It works.  2) It has power to work wonders in other areas of relationships. 

137 142 My nephew has an autistic son whom he is in denial about. He has not, will not get a diagnosis. The school just removed him this week from 1st grade and said that they are "looking for a place for him". His mom is willing to pay for a private neuro-psych but he becomes angry at the mere mention. Hopefully the school system piss him off enough that he starts at least looking at what is going on. The poor kid is 8 and hasn't had any help. He does everything in the symptom list AND is aggressive. I knew something was wrong when he was a very little baby because I had never seen a baby AVOID faces. The dad is very aspy himself with a genius IQ and no job. The whole thing has my poor sister climbing the walls.

138

jebus, that makes up half of the comments around here.

Posted by: RushBabe at January 08, 2011 01:00 PM (urYpw)

Yeah, I suspect half of all M&Ms are Aspies or something similar. Me and my brother does it, so did my dad to a lesser degree.

139 150  From the picture alone, there is something very wrong with that child.

140 I am from a family of physicians, and have become quite critical of the obvious and frequent lapses of critical and logical thinking among even well-trained young physicians. I now question everything, go immediately to the literature.....


It's more about the application of symptom suppression than root cause intervention.

141 Posted by: Holger at January 08, 2011 01:04 PM (YxGud)

What you talking about Willis?

142 158 150  From the picture alone, there is something very wrong with that child.   I agree, but it's apparently not autism, and it wasn't caused by a vaccine.
I'm looking into his new diagnosis, which was new to me.

143 Posted by: Every frat movie ever at January 08, 2011 01:06 PM (eBB0V)

You are on Double Secret Probation.

144 My addiction specialist friend (who is visiting) took one look at that picture and said, "Birth defect from what she was doing when she got pregnant?"

145 The whole word "parent" is just so loaded with judgementy-ness. Why do I need to proclaim my superiority over my kids other household members?

146 Posted by: Libtard Genius at January 08, 2011 01:04 PM (G/MYk)

I...But...how....what....did....huh?

Well done. I have absolutely no idea what the fuck you are talking about. You, sir, must run for office.

Seriously...you must have a close friend or relative who is a knuckle-dragging, booger-eating liberal. This has to come from personal experience.

147 Quotes?

148 From the picture alone, there is something very wrong with that child.

What?  Lots of kids have big heads when they're young.

149 "Birth defect from what she was doing when she got pregnant?"

Posted by: SurferDoc at January 08, 2011 01:08 PM (o3bYL)

With Jenny's reputation, more likely a birth defect from what was doing her during pregnancy.

150 Posted by: iknowtheleft at January 08, 2011 01:10 PM (G/MYk)

This is a blog on which it is a point of perverse pride to double and triple post, and where the comments button is called "New Comments Thingy." Please don't hold your breath for this improvement.

151 I'd have to disagree.  This is NOT a ware *against* science, it is a war *for* scientism.  This is a very Western malady, centuries in the making, that elevates the human intellect to the role of God.  The problem is that a LOT of science is just plain wrong.  Wasn't there a paper or a book that came out some months ago which, I believe, was covered on this very site, that discussed how frequently "scientists" ignore data that contradicts their original theories?   And not just in "politically charged" or "controversial" areas of science.  I mean, the most virulent is definitely in the field of evolutionary studies (well, the multiple disciplines within science involved in studying the theory of evolution).  But even in stuff that seems pretty benign, as I remember it from the paper, data that doesn't fit is either minimized, ignored, or covered up.

I think it would be, though, a mistake to call this a war "against science."

the sinner,

Patrick

152

Sort of in the realm of research -- medical and "come towards the bright light," check out this iOTW post titled "Pray For That Man."

153 Re: science.

I got an email from the National Science Foundation. I emailed my rep (Latham-R-IA) on this, but if anybody's a constituent of Ralph Hall (R-TX), the science committee chairman, please forward it on. This is the politicizing of science the Left bitches about.

Achieving a sustainable human future in the face of both gradual and
abrupt environmental change is one of the most significant challenges
facing humanity. NSF will contribute to addressing this challenge by
supporting the science and engineering research needed to understand and
overcome the barriers to sustainable human well-being. In response to
this global challenge, all eleven NSF Directorates and Offices have
joined together to support Science, Engineering, and Education for
Sustainability (SEES). The purpose of this letter is to explain the
scope of the SEES investment area, alert the community to activities
that are being planned for the near term, and point to sources of
additional information about future SEES plans.

It goes on. (http://www.nsf.gov/sees) is the website.

154 With Jenny's reputation, more likely a birth defect from what was doing her during pregnancy.

That child was a difficult birth and there were either issues with her exercise regimen or the use of forceps.  That boy's head was mashed.

155

This is a blog on which it is a point of perverse pride to double and triple post, and where the comments button is called "New Comments Thingy."

And "U" is for Strikeout...

 

156 Posted by: Beto at January 08, 2011 01:17 PM (H+LJc)

Nope, Jackhammer pounding by a couple of well hung black men.

157 Posted by: Holger at January 08, 2011 01:21 PM (YxGud)


Didn't I say exercise regimen?

158 Wasn't there a paper or a book that came out some months ago which, I believe, was covered on this very site, that discussed how frequently "scientists" ignore data that contradicts their original theories?   And not just in "politically charged" or "controversial" areas of science.  I mean, the most virulent is definitely in the field of evolutionary studies (well, the multiple disciplines within science involved in studying the theory of evolution).  But even in stuff that seems pretty benign, as I remember it from the paper, data that doesn't fit is either minimized, ignored, or covered up.

It's true. As a mathematician, this really pisses me off, because we have to deal in the realm of metaphysical certainty.  There's no scientific method.  It's either proven or it isn't.  We aren't allowed to be wrong.

But the idea of developing a hypothesis, testing it against data and rejecting the data (i.e., the real world) if it doesn't fit is what I call the "social scientific method" but it's common in the natural sciences too and not necessarily for malicious reasons.  We often don't want to believe what we don't want to believe.

159 Ever notice, some people here aren't even close to being as funny as they think they are?   Right, Beto?

160 Landau Kleffner has been known about for a long time.  When my son got his dianosis 18 years ago, they checked for that.  It was apparently often mis diagnosed as autism, and is completely curable.

161 "A lie repeated thousands of times becomes a truth." I wonder that the University Science departments shouldn't put up statues of Dr. Goebbels in front of all their buildings. Or a statue of Jenny McCarthy blowing little Joseph G. Now that would be hot.

162 Breaking news over at Hotair and elsewhere-AZ rep Gabrielle Giffords (D) and five others shot while talking with public.

163 Giffords, who was re-elected to her third term in November, was hosting her first "Congress on Your Corner" event at the Safeway in northwest Tucson when a gunman ran up and started shooting, according to Peter Michaels, news director of Arizona Public Media.

164 O/T:  Fox is reporting that representative from Arizona, Gabrielle Giffords has been shot at a public event.

Three staff members were shot as well.

She has been transferred to a hospital in Tuscon.

165

the idea of developing a hypothesis, testing it against data and rejecting the data (i.e., the real world) if it doesn't fit is what I call the "social scientific method"

For some reason, that makes me want to post this.

166 Sorry Andy, but you're wrong. My IT text books says that if it's "peer-reviewed" then it's the gospel truth. And be careful about them bloggers.

167 Giffords is a Dem from the border areas in southern az who barely won re-election. 

So it begins.........

168 OT Rep. Gabby Giffords D-AZ and 3 of her staff members shot at public event here in Arizona...unbelievably horrifying...

169 Posted by: SantaRosaStan at January 08, 2011 01:29 PM (UqKQV)

Could just as easily have been more violence related to the Drug Cartels. They are not above killing Mexican politicians, doubt they'd shy away from killing an American politician.

170 Oh shit, I heard she got it in the head.

171 Here we go, The shit storm clouds are forming.

172 Charles Johnson blames tragic shooting on Tea Party in 5...4...3..

173

Hey, pajama parent #1! (See above snark)

174 Holger, maybe, because Giffords plays up her "pro-military", pro-cop alleged leanings and is sorta Blue Dog / Purple Dog, but the cartels are crazy but not That Stupid

175   Just claiming to do research is often more efficacious than doing the actual research, since if you do the research, you might find out that you're wrong and then all the people benefitting from the placebo effect will have their medications turn out to be ineffective.

Right up there with "It's better for you to have breast cancer and be unaware until it's too late to save your life than for you to have a false positive on the mammogram."  

176 She's dead, Jim

( I don't need to disrespect the Dead but this is gonna get Real Ugly real fast )

177 Just heard on fox news and saw an article from mediaite, apparently the report is Giffords got shot in the head.

178

"Gabrielle Giffords (born June 8, 1970) is the US Representative for Arizona's 8th congressional district.  She is a member of the Democratic Party.

She is the only member of the U.S. Congress whose spouse, astronaut Mark E. Kelly is an active duty member of the U.S. military.

Giffords is known as a strong proponent of solar energy as well as for her work to secure the border with Mexico.^"

179 Wikipedia says she's a Blue Dog, and is pro-gun, otherwise run of the mill Dem (for comprehensive immigration reform despite being from a district which borders Mexico-wiki tries to gloat that her repeated reelection somehow demonstrates support for that position specifically).  According to her campaign website, she was for the stimulus and Obamacare, so it seems guns were her only moderate position.

180 Oh and I got 94% evil on the evil test. I think it's time to run for office.

181 Is this another hoax like Grivalja receiving ground-down Tylenol?

182 Giffords was a Purple Dog, as I noted:  Pro-gun because it's Arizona for Christ's Sake but otherwise a down-the-line Democrat attached at the hip to Obama

Unless the shooter was a Mexican national the MFM is gonna blame you and me

get ready for the Push-back, fellas...........

183 The Axiom of Choice, to name one example, was used like that for a very long time - and there are still accepted theorems that depend on it.

It's not really the same because the Axiom of Choice is an axiom.  That is, if you assume it, certain things are true.  If you don't, they can't be proven true.

Part of proof depends on what you are allowed to assume.

184 I supported Jesse Kelly in the Giffords/Kelly contest, but Giffords is a great person, a Blue Dog, husband in the military....this is tragic beyond words. Prayers to Gabby and all the others who have been injured.

185 Her last election was very close.

186

"The Truth Wears Off"

http://tinyurl.com/2bjlacx

Great article in the New Yorker (yes, that horrible libtard rag) about the deficiencies in scientific research.  Science can be wrong about stuff?  Yes, it would appear so.

187 Unless the shooter was a Mexican national the MFM is gonna blame you and me

Especially if the shooter was a Mexican national we're gonna get blamed. 

188 Just an FYI, that was a district where the R lost by 4000 votes and the libertarian got 11000 votes out of about 280,000 cast.

189 Tuscon Fire Department reports 4 DOA

190 You know what else is interesting?  There were many fewer votes cast in the other congressional elections in Arizona.  This election had 10% more than any other.

191 147-CharlieBrown's...(sorry, I just can't write that!) Thank you-I appreciate your perspective, and agree with you on keeping the subject alive and in focus. If we had listened to the doctor, we would have ignored this until she was critical. As it is, she may well be very serious-her lipase level was 980-when normal is 75. So, the lesson is-be your own advocate, learn about your symptoms, and if your doctor isn't willing to work with you, find another one. As for Rep Giffords, my prayers are with her and her family. What a disgusting thing to do-with families around to listen to what she has to say.

192 Posted by: Beto at January 08, 2011 01:47 PM (H+LJc)

Giffords is going to be one of them.

193 "Echolalia - repeats other people's words and lines from TV and movies"

From TV and movies.

194 Giffords is going to be one of them.

More than a bit morbid, don't you think?

195 She voted for John Lewis over Pelosi as speaker.
That is a real thumb in the eye of the Democratic Party elite.

196

Nice rant, Andy.  IÂ’m sure your intention are good, but it is obvious from your essay you have not followed this story in any detail or done your own research.  Your trumpeting the words of Paul Offit make that very clear.  Here are a few facts:

 

1)      Paul Offit is hardly some unbiased observer.  He is a patent holder for the RotaTeq vaccine manufactured by Merck for rotavirus.  It is estimated he has received more than $10 Million in royalties from the vaccine.  It is also estimated that the number would have been $2M higher if the vaccine if RotaTeq had been more widely accepted.  Only the US and a few other countries have added it to the schedule.

 

2)      Infants are routinely given 5 to 7 vaccines in a single doctorÂ’s office visit.  Despite the claims of the vaccine providers, this has never been studied and shown to be safe.  In fact, there is a new primate study published in the journal Acta Neurobiologiae Experimentalis that indicates pervasive harm.

 

3)      The vaccine schedule has increased to 36 vaccine doses by age two from less than half that number in 1980.  Are kids healthier today than when we were kids?

 

4)      The US gives more than twice as many vaccine doses than other first-world countries such as Denmark, Sweden and Iceland.  The US gives more vaccine doses by age two than any other country.  Are US kids healthier than European kids?

 

5)      The US routinely vaccinates children against diseases that used to be considered virtually harmless in children such as chicken pox, flu and rotavirus.  These were added to the schedule for reasons of convenience (e.g. so parents donÂ’t have to take time off of work to tend sick kids) rather than medical need.

 

6)      Toddlers are vaccinated against Hepatitis B, a disease they have no chance of catching unless they are shooting drugs or frequenting prostitutes.  The Hep B vaccine protection wears off long before kids are teenagers or adults when it might actually do some good.

 

7)      Children are routinely given vaccine booster after booster despite having developed adequate antibodies to a disease.  Antibody titers could be measured to see if the booster is required, but it is cheaper to give the booster than administer the test.  This would be fine if vaccines were perfectly safe, but like any medical procedure they entail certain risks.  The medical literature is filled with descriptions of adverse reactions to vaccines.

 

      Vaccine manufactures are indemnified against liability by the 1986 National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act.  Once their vaccine makes it on the schedule, they canÂ’t be sued.  Once it is on the schedule, states then usually make it mandatory for school admission.  It is the only product in the world where consumers are forced by law to buy the product but then forbidden by law to sue for damages if injured.  Those who add the vaccines to the schedule, then retire from the CDC and become seven-figure consultants for Merck, Sanofi Pasteur, and the other vaccine manufacturers. It is the ultimate in crony capitalism.

9)      In the recent pertussis outbreak in California, public television station KPBS surveyed the county health departments and found more than 60% of those afflicted were fully vaccinated.  The outbreak has much more to do with the vaccineÂ’s inefficacy than the 3% of parents that choose not to vaccinate their children.

I donÂ’t know if Wakefield committed fraud or not.  I do know that he vehemently denies it and I donÂ’t understand how they could possible make a conclusive case with out an admission from him.  There are just too many variables.  I do know that Wakefield was not alone, and this goes far beyond a single paper.  The medical establishment has chosen to make an example out of Wakefield as a warning to others.  Unfortunately for them, this will not go away just by crucifying Wakefield.

I have two boys, they are vaccinated, but we follow the Danish schedule not the US schedule (less than half as many doses as the US schedule).  Denmark isnÂ’t Mexico; it is a prosperous first-world country with kids far healthier than those in the US.  Please explain how I endanger my kids and the community by following the vaccine schedule of an advanced, first-world country instead of labeling us as anti-vaccine nuts.

197 ...Faked evidence would implicate any political opponent falsely during this crisis as "the enemy" -- She died.

RIP Giffords.

198

Andy – I should have put this in the first comment, but I pray for your son and your family.  My oldest son is also ASD, and we switched to the Danish schedule after he regressed.  His regression was within a few days of getting seven vaccines at once.  As they say, correlation is not causation, but it certainly drove my interest in exploring every facet of the vaccine-ASD connection.  The most shocking discovery for me was the explosion of the vaccine schedule after the 1986 law indemnifying vaccine manufacturers against liability.  By and large, this expansion of the schedule has not taken place outside the US, Canada and the UK.

Regarding Dr. Wakefield, the treatments he pioneered along with Dr Krigman and Dr Jepson and Thoughtful House have been a tremendous blessing for my son.  Not only has my sonÂ’s gastro-intestinal distress improved dramatically, but his neurological symptoms have also improved.  We owe this all to the hard work of those at Thoughtful House and also the work of the late Bernard Rimland at the Autism Research Institute.

199 >> Regarding Dr. Wakefield, the treatments he pioneered along with Dr Krigman and Dr Jepson and Thoughtful House have been a tremendous blessing for my son.

You're a satisfied customer of Wakefield. That's all I needed to know to put your comments in proper context.

Best of luck to you.

200 Jeff C. I will tell you that I didn't vaccinate my last three children till they were school aged. I didn't like the idea of pumping them full of whatever the government felt was necessary. Funny thing is, if you wait till they're of school aged to get their vaccinations, the amount they're required to get, drops by way over half.

My now 7 year old got his first set of shots at age 5. His kindergarten set, I told them I only wanted what was legally required. He got 6 total. SIX!!!

None of that every two months and they pump them full of 6-8 injections. Dealing with the fevers that my oldest had to suffer through.

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