1 Between him and that drooling shitmeister McCain, I can't tell which one is more fucking useless.

2 McCain gave us Obama. Miss Lindsey just gives us a headache.

3 We could always even the score. The next time I see an American flag getting burned I'ma tear Grahams shriveled nuts of at the root. How zat?

4 If I did not have a real job I would make a giant paper mache headed Lindsey Graham clutching a koran, and torch it.

5 If we're seriously afraid of somebody burning a book, then the terrorists really did win.

6

At least with Scott Brown we now know we have a RINO, but in Taxechewshitss he's probably the best we can hope for now.South Carolina is a different story. As a born and bred New Yorker all I can say is, yo SC,take this mook for a ride, willya?

Geez, it's hard bein' a pimp.

 

 

7

Our rights to Free speech are  most important when not well liked.

8 Grahm ' Reid  are assisting  Extremists in  Afghanistan implemment laws against insulting Islam

9 Maybe Graham will get a yeast infection and die.

10 Lady Lindsey has the utmost repect for the sacred koran.

11 Still say:
Make an official 'Ace of Spades Religion.' To the point of selling "Bibles."

It's already "Mock a Religious Figure Day" most days around here anyway - so codify it. And make a drawing or kerfuffle-causing outburst a requirement of First Amendment Day.

Now, on to serious business. What should we have to do for Second Amendment Day?

12 Now, on to serious business. What should we have to do for Second Amendment Day? How bout enforce without remorse, first amendment day?

13 Grahm and Reid , would  be better  suited to spend their time helping Islamist to get the west to bow down and show fealty To our Enemys

14

I would just like to point out that Lindsay Graham is a lawyer.

That is all.

15
it provides the pols in DC with a good distraction from two things:

1. Why are we still in Afghanistan?
2. With all the treasure we spend on technology and for all the blood that has been shed, why after 10 years are we still falling victim to IEDs?

But instead we'll focus on some guy burning paper.

16 “During World War II, we had limits on what you could do if it inspired the enemy," Graham said, adding certain speech can “put our troops at risk.”In WWII we were worried about the Germans or Japanese finding out about troop movements and such; not about their feelings being hurt because we pissed on a copy of Mein Kampf or shot a statue of Hirohito.  Do you think this censorious little bastard understands the difference?  Or does he just love the idea of taking over another piece of our lives with the excuse of "Let's not cause some beturbanned prophet monkeys to lose sphincter control by saying or doing something they don't like" ?

If he's so worried about troublesome speech, howzabout we start by gagging the bastard?

17 Hey, here's an idea,  hows about we ban all Korans from American soil to stop this behavior before it happens?

18

Grahm and Reid have forgotten History, when we were not afraid to Insult , smear, heckle, defame, those enemies,  Remember posters and cartoons of Germany and Nazi's? what about Japan, what about the inflamatory comments about Russia

19 I think we need to have Greg weigh in on this.

20
Lindsey, your pension and beneftis are a great thing but we're in a financial crisis. So we'd like to take it away from you.

21

So do those Danish cartoons also offend Miss Lindsey?

There's a famous photo of Patton pissing in the Rhine. Should he have been court-martialed for offending the Nazis?

McCain and Lindsey... the GOP old guard. God help us all.

22 Our rulers have forgotten everything.  Everything.

23 Free speech isn't a "great idea."  It is the first item on the Bill of Rights.  What a dumbfuck.

24
really, though

this takes Blame America First to a whole new level.

Ev-er-y-thing in the entire world is always blamed on America. Global Warming, Wars, 9/11, Tsunamis, Nuclear disasters, drought, famine, murder, gun violence,...

25 When elected to the Senate, one's IQ drops twenty points, but one THINKS it increases twenty.

26 Kind of resembles one of those Japanese robots. Can HE grab uranium?

27 Neo-colonialism is the answer.

28 SC picked this asshole; why do we have to spoon with him? C'mon, SC. Get yer Mancard back.

29 Our rulers have forgotten everything

Au contraire. They know everything.

30 My goodness, she is such an insufferable, whiney little bitch. Seriously, take a Midol and lay down, Lindsey.

31 Thread winner ....

#17"Hey, here's an idea,  hows about we ban all Korans from American soil to stop this behavior before it happens?"

What would Miss Lindsey say about that ?

32 This is a clever position to take, because I think this whole constitution thing is just a fad.  I'm looking forward to people telling me what to do all the time; making up my mind for myself is just so exhausting. 

33 C'mon, SC. Get yer Mancard back.

Posted by: eman: Japanese Babe Rescue Team at April 03, 2011 07:53 PM (dT+/n)

Several county GOP organizations have denounced him several times (a big deal for a sitting federal officeholder.  I think the only way he gets re-elected is if there are so many people running against him in the primary that they split the vote.

And I don't think the GOP will be afraid that Lindsay is the only man who can win SC after the Dems put up Alvin Greene.

34 Murderer's veto.

35 The SC voters have really done a favor inflicting this bug-eyed fuck on the rest of us; kind of like those Illinois cocksuckers giving us Durbin and Odummy.  Again, I'm trying to figure out why losing a bunch of UN rapists loads is supposed to bother me.  I realize we have some "concerned conservatives" that feel otherwise but fuck them.

36 Senator Graham's afraid the jihadis will cut off his clitoris.

37
Fuckit.

I'm starting a new party.

I'll call it the Harrumph! party. Our party's platform is simple.

1. We get outraged at picayune bullshit because we haven't got a clue on how to tackle the problems WE crated, in the first place, i.e., debt, rogue nations going nuclear, etc. For example, steroid use in sports.

2.  During election season we pretend to be one of the people. Wepretend to care about shit that the average jerk cares about.

3. We have no core principles. We vote how the lobbyists tell us how to vote.

38 Senator Graham went on to say, much to everyone's surprise, that even if he were gay, he'd still find Julian Assange's dance moves to be pathetically effeminate and unattractive.

39 Yeah, I'm going to keep hammering away at this, but she was asking for it isn't any prettier of a position just because religion is involved.

I do want someone to pin these fuckers down as to precisely where all of this is supposed to stop.  I mean, showing my hair supposedly drives men to violent lust, so should I be forced into a burka?  How about that whole still having a clit thing, I know that's upsetting so is someone going to lop that off?  Is Princess Lindsey going to help build the wall that's going to be toppled onto me?  Seriously, where's the fucking line. 

40 C'mon, SC. Get yer Mancard back.

Posted by: eman: Japanese Babe Rescue Team at April 03, 2011 07:53 PM (dT+/n)

The sad thing is that when he was in the House he was conservative. When he was elected to the Senate and became McCain's butt boy he turned into a damn RINO.

He has been censured by the SC Republican Party heads 4 times now. He will not make the next election. There was an effort to primary him in 2008. There will be a bigger effort in 2014.

41 Banning kuran burning because people are willing to kill, is like banning wearing short skirts because people rape. Blame the evildoers not the victims.

42 I think the only way he gets re-elected is if there are so many people running against him in the primary that they split the vote.

Thankfully we have a runoff if that occurs. If no candidate gets 50%.

43 Does Tim Scott want to be a Senator?

44

When these two old lesbians speak, all I hear is Charlie Brown's teacher...Is it me?

45 South Carolina is one of my favorite places, except for this bitch.

46

If burning the Koran is a matter of free speech, and now some one in the US can't do it, just what is it we are fighting for?  To make Hamid Karzai comfortable in stealing anything that's not tied down?

Is the Koran a fount of universal wisdom or a book invoking murder and reprisal against non-Islamic believers?  What is the proper response of a Westerner to the Koran?  Is Graham implying we are all to be dhimmis on this subject?

What a feckless crapweasel, kowtowing to the media hobgoblins.

47 We went the fuck into Afghanistan to defend our fucking freedoms. Now we have to sacrifice our fucking freedoms so we can stay in Afghanistan? Fuck that fucking shit. Burn every fucking Koran you can right fucking now. Fuck Allah. Fuck Mohammed.

48 The other aggravating thing is that Fox is happy to put this SOB on every time he opens his pie hole.

49 Let's pull the fuck out of Afghanistan and anywhere else they can't accept that we hate their fucking Koran bullshit. We don't need to sacrifice one more of our men's lives for their shitty existence.

50
What's next, closing the stores during Ramadan?

51 What a feckless crapweasel,

Now, now, what did feckless crapweasels ever do to deserve that comparison?

52

This whole "debate" is idiotic. The troops aren't in anymore danger because of this than they were before. The morons (and I don't mean that in a good way) who are outraged by this are non-soldiers using their faux anger and their evil religion as an excuse to slaughter unarmed civilians. They present no real danger to our troops. The trained and armed people who are trying to kill our troops were trying to do that before the Koran burning, and will continue to try long after this kerfuffle is forgotten.

53 edited.. oh, I'm sorry, you're an idiot juicer. I do this from time to time. also go away asshole.

54 Well alright then. Good thing they aren't offended by yellow bellied congressmen. Otherwise we would have to get rid of Sen. Graham. I hear they are offended by our flag. By the Senator's reasoning, we best get rid of our flag, too. And women who show their faces, too. Actually, its a rather long list.

55 all I hear is Charlie Brown's teacher...

I think I heard her at Karaoke Night.

56 All future Moron Meet-ups shall begin with a Koran burning ceremony followed by the National Anthem. GOP farts are so scared of the MFM it truly hurts to watch them show it. This thread should be recalled when someone here pushes us to support a RINO because "he can win."

57
it's just another timely distraction

Libya is another huge fuckup made by the brain-trust in Washington. So along comes Terry Jones providing a nice distraction.

58

If burning a Koran is excuse enough to murder people, is murdering people excuse enough to burn a Koran?

59

our responsible representatives paid by americas citizens  are basically saying Americans really shouldn't be free . and also saying Islam cannot be responsible humans and learn to be responsible Humane adults  , responsible for murder!

why even have jails or prisons,  they made me do it , that's all anyone should say at this point, no matter your crime.

60
Roger Clemens.

The next distraction.

61
how about this for a new party?

the Fuck Me? No. Fuck YOU party

62

Holy shit! Why are we figiting over whether or not we should be burning Korans? We have the might of the American military at our disposal; they should be figiting about murdering people.

Good Christ. Don't tell me their resolve is greater than ours that we look at them as an unmovable wall to be strategized around, and they look at us as dough to be molded and manipulated.

63 If burning a Koran is excuse enough to murder people, is murdering people excuse enough to burn a Koran?

I did the math. It's a workable theorem.

64 Harry Reid and Lindsey Graham together again!!! Senators Harry Reid and Lindsey Graham Encourage Christians To Kill Artists, Actors, Comedians, and U.S. Soldiers? It's like a waiver for human decency.

65

The actual event of the Koran burning happened some days ago.  It ook several days of incitement by Karzai and several Imams in Afghanistan before the public reaction took place (the killing of the UN people).

Just what is going on here with our so-called allies?  What kind of double - dealing, two-faced game are they playing?

It's the double -dealing Afghan game.  The same game these people have been playing for millenia

66 they look at us as dough to be molded and manipulated.

Posted by: Z Ryan at April 03, 2011 08:12 PM (tsC/

well yes dear.

67 Does Tim Scott want to be a Senator?

Great question.  He's been fairly quiet.  Compared to the rest of the freshman tea partiers, that is.

68 US troops will be in Libya soon. Pick the announced reason from a hat. My guess is there will be a "humanitarian crisis" or "provide security for a provisional rebel government." The spin doctors are already at work.

69

For the stone age afghan, any excuse to bring out their inbred hatred of others will do.  There are multiple examples of them over the last few years stoning Christians, charging Christians with practicing their religion, etc.

WHERE IS THEIR MULTICULTURISM?

WHERE IS THEIR TOLERANCE?\

Answer:   NOWHERE!!!! -- and they never will either.   Bush mad a huge mistake in 01/02 -- Kandahar and Kabul should have been levelled.

70

I would just like to point out that Lindsay Graham is a lawyer and a politician.

That is all.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 03, 2011 07:45 PM (BvBKY)

AD:  I think you need to add the additional qualifier.  Being a lawyer and a politician make him irredeemable in my book.  If he was only one or the other there might be hope for him.

What really frosts me about this RINO squish is that (from his official bio) Graham logged six-and-a-half years of service on active duty as an Air Force lawyer.  I would have hoped being close to warriors might have resulted in some level of honor being rubbed off on him.  Doesn't appear that it worked!

Bottom line to me is that we the people of these United States have a right to free speech, especially on American soil, and when it does not impact national security (as in the revealing of troop movements or impending operational actions).  What 7th century barbarians do in their own countries may certainly be affected by our exercise of that right, but if we casually give up free speech pre-emptively on the off chance that it's exercise here may enrage some cave dwelling troglodyte into homicidal action, we will never speak another word except ones in praise of the koran and the muslim faith.

If the muslims want to deny free speech to citizens of their occupied countries, see Afghanistan for some examples, then have at it, burn, rape, and pillage as suits your fancy, stone the women, and let schoolgirls burn to death.  If that is the "civilization" you want, live in it, but don't expect us to join in your misguided actions or accept the tenets of your faith.

71 ""All future Moron Meet-ups shall begin with a Koran burning ceremony followed by the National Anthem.""



How about we do some ballistic testing before the bonfire.

72 they deserve to die

I wish more ARE killed

Posted by: Juicer at April 03, 2011 08:06 PM (EDuia)

Those are fuckin' bullshit statements. Our soldiers go where there told to go. It's their job, they do it proudly and none of them "deserve" to die. Fuck that shit.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at April 03, 2011 08:12 PM (vbh31)

juicer srsly gth.

73 Once again, rino/dhimmi Lindsey reminds us that he squats to pee.

74 Yes, this koran riot thing sure too a while to erupt. The levels of lying and manipulation here are truly astounding.

75 How about we do some ballistic testing before the bonfire.

They burn hotter when ventilated.

76 http://tinyurl.com/3uedvfo Lindsey Graham's special friend?

77
Is Hrothgar a scandi name?

If ever I get two dobermans (like in Magnum, PI), I'm gonna name  them Ragnarok & Hrothgar.

78 they deserve to die

I wish more ARE killed

Posted by: Juicer at April 03, 2011 08:06 PM (EDuia)

I was pretty sure I read that wrong. Fred Phelps is here?

79 “During World War II, we had limits on what you could do if it inspired the enemy," Graham said

So....fire bombing cities in World War II did not incite enemy resistance.

History books.  I figure there are four, maybe five in the Library of Congress.

80

Freedom of Speech is our God given right. It is up to us to be reponsible with it-

Not Lindsay Graham and Harry Reid.

To say this moron Terry Jones is in any way responsible for the deaths in the riots is akin to saying the girl deserved it when she got raped after dressing provoctively.

Sure, she maybe shouldn't of gone to "Misogynists United"(Skinhead chapter) rally, but it was still the lack of self control and barbaric tendencies that are to blame.

Terry Jones is just an idiot.

81 I despise Graham every bit as much as I do Dirty Harry. He may not be as far left, but he's every bit as much of a slimy weasel as Reid is.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at April 03, 2011 08:05 PM (vbh31)

Oh, did I point out that both are lawyers?

Also Chuck Schumer.

82 Oh, and Juicer--fuck you sideways with a pitchfork.

Asshole.

83 “During World War II, we had limits on what you could do if it inspired the enemy," Graham said


This may be the biggest lie he's ever told. Ask him to cite the law or act, case law and prosecutions.

84 History books.  I figure there are four, maybe five in the Library of Congress.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 03, 2011 08:19 PM (7utQ2)

we've already learned they don't read, obamacare etc..

everything therefore is on a learning curve .

85 This fucking guy is one step forward, 136 steps back. He must be a truly awful dancer.

86 Is Hrothgar a scandi name?

If ever I get two dobermans (like in Magnum, PI), I'm gonna name  them Ragnarok & Hrothgar.

Posted by: Billy Bob Soothsayers at April 03, 2011 08:18 PM (5ql/p)

Hrothgar-King of the Danes in the time of Grendel and Beowulf.

Pick Norwegian Elkhounds over the Dobermans.

87 The frightening thing is that this idea is the mainstream.People should be screaming about restrictions of freedom of speech,where the fuck is the ACLU?Look at Europe and see our future if we fuck this up.

88 juicer makes teh stupid get big.

89 Is anyone out there in SC looking to primary Graham? There is no reason a fine conservative state like that should be represented by such a twit.

90 I usually give Lindsey Grahama pass, but, damn, he's bringing the stupid.

Does he know nothing about the racist anti-German and anti-Japanese propaganda that we churned out during the Second World War? See John Dower's book War Without Mercy to see various savage simian and other bestial depictions of the Japanese. Or similar caricatures of the Germans? Google Images is great for that stuff: "Halt the Hun"--with a beast in a Pickelhaube.

91 It is a well known fact that if you leave exposed meat out in a bowl that the cats will get into it.

92 ""I mean, showing my hair supposedly drives men to violent lust, so should I be forced into a burka?  How about that whole still having a clit thing, I know that's upsetting so is someone going to lop that off?""


In my best Duke Nukem voice...Nobody messes with our chicks.

93

Kerry & Reid says the Rino...

94 Vic, are not you in SC? Step up, dude!

95

For Lindsey. Would you ban this ?

http://tinyurl.com/m96rl8

 

96 At least old hookers served mankind...Old lesbians like Reid and Graham, not so much.  They are merely card-carrying members of the failed institution, our Federal Government...

97 I'm reminded of the scene in "To Be or Not To Be" where the Polish government forbids the theatre troop from performing their play which mocks Hitler.

98 People should be screaming about restrictions of freedom of speech,where the fuck is the ACLU?Look at Europe and see our future if we fuck this up.

Posted by: steevy at April 03, 2011 08:22 PM (tfrqL)

mind bending innit.

99 Is anyone out there in SC looking to primary Graham? There is no reason a fine conservative state like that should be represented by such a twit.

Posted by: Gerry Owen at April 03, 2011 08:23 PM (4ABat)

My friends, let me be perfectly clear, the RNC is all over this.

100

Posted by: Hrothgar at April 03, 2011 08:15 PM (DCpHZ)

+11 ! !

101
you all know this, of course, but during the war Hollywood together with the armed forces were making anti-Nazi and anti-Jap films to generate support for the war effort.

Ronald Reagan was in this department, I believe.

102 Is anyone out there in SC looking to primary Graham? There is no reason a fine conservative state like that should be represented by such a twit.

I'm convinced that he keeps getting re-elected because they believe he is somehow related to Rev. Billy Graham.

Start an educational campaign and his ass is toast.

103 Does he know nothing about the racist anti-German and anti-Japanese propaganda that we churned out during the Second World War?

Not to put too fine of a point it--WE NUKED JAPAN.  And now we are supposed to be sensitive about a book?

104 Oh, did I point out that both are lawyers?

Wapner. Gotta watch Wapner. 4pm. Wapner.

Oh and K-Mart. I get underwear from K-Mart.

105

oh and for the record:

Juicer, or whatever your scummy handle is, I sincerely hope the Barbed Cock of Satan splits your shitty body in half.

My Army Sgt son or my Marine SSGT son-in-law would have such fun meeting you in person. Let me know if you're ever in NYC, I'd love to show you a real good time.

Douchnozzle

 

106 My friends, let me be perfectly clear, the RNC is all over this.

Charlie Crist is moving to SC?

107 America is in decline.  There is no question about that.  Politicians who have been in politics for more than a few years have been complicit in hastening her decline.  What is amazing is that though asshats like Graham know America is waning and that he helped in a major way to bring her low, he cannot help himself from being a politician even now.  He cannot stop being an accomplice to this country's destruction.  He's not alone but he makes a damned good poster child.

108 Hmm, so there appears to be bi-partisan support against the 1st amendment.  Perhaps adopting an anti-free speech stance would bring in more of the independent vote!

109 Charlie Crist is moving to SC?

Take my ex-governor.

Please.

110 Every news program should have a guy on the set who yells, "Bullshit!" whenever some squirrel-dick like Lindsey opens his penis polisher. Of course, these guys would have work in teams cuz they'd be yelling a lot.

111 I read some interesting contemporary reports from WW2 of the upper echelons worrying that Germans weren't hated enough.I guess the SS massacres and finding the concentration camps ended that problem but they were seriously concerned that US troops saw Germans as "just like us".Hatred of the Japanese was not a problem,surprise attack and atrocities plus perhaps a racial component were enough there.

112 Hrothgar-King of the Danes in the time of Grendel and Beowulf

I read Beowulf for my wife's family reunion in 1979 at the bonfires every night.
The kids, now grown up, still talk about it.

113 ""I mean, showing my hair supposedly drives men to violent lust, so should I be forced into a burka?  How about that whole still having a clit thing, I know that's upsetting so is someone going to lop that off?""

In my best Duke Nukem voice...Nobody messes with our chicks.

Posted by: Berserker at April 03, 2011 08:24 PM (gWHrG)

You need to read more "mainstream" news articles:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/4lpgzhn

one step forward to sharia

114

Charlie Crist is moving to SC?

We welcome you dear leader

115 If the Tea Party has any juice left in 2014, Graham (Vajayjay-SC) will be their number one priority.  His chances of reelection, at this point, are about 40%, IMO.

116 Hey, here's an idea, hows about we ban all Korans from American soil to stop this behavior before it happens?

Posted by: Senator WTF I Don't Have A Clue About What We're Doing at April 03, 2011 07:47 PM (FaFnu)

*rubs spindly hands together*

Excellent

117
Graham is also all gung-ho on the U.S. continuing doing the heavy lifting over Libya:

Military experts said that America's reduced role in enforcing the Libyan no-fly zone could cripple efforts to keep Gadhafi's forces from battering the rag-tag army trying to topple him.

They said they fear that without U.S. willingness to go after Gadhafi's troops and equipment from the air, and without U.S. ground controllers pinpointing targets, the effort to shield the rebels will fail.

"The idea that the AC-130s and the A-10s and American air power is grounded unless the place goes to hell is just so unnerving that I can't express it adequately," said Sen. Lindsay Graham, R-S.C. "The only thing I would ask is, please reconsider that."

118 117 I read some interesting contemporary reports from WW2 of the upper echelons worrying that Germans weren't hated enough.


That might be because German-Americans are the single largest ethnic group in the country.  Our language and culture were completely stripped out of American social life in the course of two world wars.

I'm not complaining--but where the hell are my reparations?

119 When der fuehrer says we is de master race
We heil heil right in der fueher's face
Not to love der fuehrer is a great disgrace
 
Seems like Disney & a whole lot more have done a 180 since then.

120 "The idea that the AC-130s and the A-10s and American air power is grounded unless the place goes to hell is just so unnerving that I can't express it adequately," said Sen. Lindsay Graham, R-S.C. "The only thing I would ask is, please reconsider that."

Why is that in Katherine Hepburn's voice in my head?

121 I think the name they used to be known by pretty widely,Mohammedans,is the best name for that cult.Fuck them.

122 "What's next, closing the stores during Ramadan?"
- Posted by: Billy Bob Soothsayers
Well they already close the schools in Dearborn, MI. for Muslim holidays
so why not?

123 Graham's a slimy opportunist.  It's the same defect of character that causes him to 1) endlessly determine what the GOP position is and 2) immediately triangulate a weaker position, getting his ugly attention-seeking mug on TV in the process.  Thing is, in doing so, his cheap self-centeredness waters down our bargaining power--while at the same not gaining him a thing.  He never comes off looking better.  His narcissistic dream of appearing to be the only reasonable voice in Washington never pans out.  What an obnoxious, arrogant ass.

It would be better if he would shut the fuck up a little bit when he disagrees with the caucus.  He would end-up doing at least as well, probably better. 

The people of S.C. did not elect him for this.

Lindsey "Cheap Shots" Graham.

124 That might be because German-Americans are the single largest ethnic group in the country.  Our language and culture were completely stripped out of American social life in the course of two world wars.

I'm not complaining--but where the hell are my reparations?

Didn't the US narrowly adopt English over German as the official language?

125
Read Beowulf in its original Old English language and then I'll be impressed.

Ġeseah ðā on searwum     siġeēadig bil,
  eald sweord eotenisc     ecgum þȳhtiġ
  wigena weorðmynd;     þæt wæs wǣpna cyst

126 Our language and culture were completely stripped out of American social life in the course of two world wars.

I'm not complaining--but where the hell are my reparations?

Posted by: Leo Ladenson at April 03, 2011 08:32 PM (+xI2

Mein friend, if you can deliver a block German-American vote in 2012, we can work on that reparations thing!

127 124 Yeah,that was the point.Even(maybe especially) in WW1 German atrocities against Belgian and French civilians plus of course UBoat sinkings of liners were important to ginning up hate.

128 Seems like Disney & a whole lot more have done a 180 since then.

Posted by: CatLady at April 03, 2011 08:33 PM (CyPWX)

But that was when we exected to WIN wars. A different time and place.

129 Didn't the US narrowly adopt English over German as the official language?

No.  The US does not have an official language. 

130 133 Soldiers knew about it,can't keep them from talking and many saw it.The public no,you are right about that.The Allies were concerned public outcry would hurt strategy eg they might demand the camps be liberated as a prime war aim.

131 137 It makes me so angry I caan barely think straight.I find myself in this condition alot the last few years.

132
I read somewhere that Ronald Reagan was one of the first Americans to see the film footage of the concentration camps.

133

There may have been people in high places that knew or suspected they were taking place

The Holocaust Museum in DC makes it very clear that people in high places knew about the massacres and the concentration camps before the US entered the war but the US chose not to intervene.

134 Mein friend, if you can deliver a block German-American vote in 2012, we can work on that reparations thing!


Reparations aside, I do wish we had a conservative German-American voting block.

135 Lindsey Graham?  Yeah, I hit that like a viking.  Other than that, he is TOTALLY straight.  Sacred Honor, and all that.

136

Dear Kitty; Today I recieved word from President Obama that help is on the way!

I think I hear them downstairs now.

BRB

137

Halsey had that sign up that said Kill Japs, Kill Japs, Kill more Japs. You will help kill the yellow bastards if you do your jobs well.

I don't feel that way about Japs now, but this was the mentality back when we used to, you know, try to win wars. Now it's kill the enemy if you absolutely have to, but don't make them angry.

138 Read Beowulf in its original Old English language and then I'll be impressed.

Ġeseah ðā on searwum     siġeēadig bil,
  eald sweord eotenisc     ecgum þȳhtiġ
  wigena weorðmynd;     þæt wæs wǣpna cyst

Posted by: Billy Bob Soothsayers at April 03, 2011 08:34 PM (BPptn)

This (learning to read Beowulf in the Olde English) is on my to-do list

139 Uh oh,stay at a safe distance because my head may explode. Petraeus condemns "the actions of a small number of individuals, who have been extremely disrespectful to the holy Quran"

140 148 Holy Quran!!?!!Holy?!!MOTHERFUCKER!!!!

141 To do a little self-pimping, I just tossed up a handy pictorial guide to put some knowledge to His Pretty Pretty Princessness.

142
This (learning to read Beowulf in the Olde English) is on my to-do list

Would you like a great website that helps you learn OE?

143 Remind me again, where were the koran burnings pre 9/11?

Why isn't Bill "the Troll" Maher being cited as the impetus for koran burnings since he mentioned the "evil book of lies," or whatever the heck he called it?  Does Hamid of the Swell Hats get his talking points strictly from what the MFM point out?

144

Petraeus condemns "the actions of a small number of individuals, who have been extremely disrespectful to the holy Quran"

I would appreciate someone condeming the actions of the LARGE number of individuals who have been extremely disrespectful of the Bible and other icons of the Christian religion. (piss christ?)

Why is their stone age religion to be more respected? I absolutely no longer follow the liberal (and apparently some demented conservative) logic.

145

To support, and defend, the Constitution, against all enemies, Foreign and DOMESTIC.

Do our Congress critters even READ the document, they SWORE (so help me GOD) to defend?

146 In WWII "Loose lips Sink Ships." In Grahamnesty's world it's Loose lips gets me dates.

147 141 For strategic reasons.Prime consideration was destroying the German capacity to wage war and their field armies.Eisenhower wasn't politically naive as peoplle think just focused on one result and the quickest cheapest method to get there.

148 Now it's kill the enemy if you absolutely have to, but don't make them angry.

Posted by: USS Diversity at April 03, 2011 08:41 PM (gJNMj)

And remember, we will have JAG staffer/observers and embedded liberal news media videographers all around to prosecute the h**l out of troops if we REMFs deem that that you acted disproportionately!

149 White man has devil in them and flames from hell set the Holy Koran on fire. Not even Big Mo can stop it! Eleventy111!!!!

150 Would you like a great website that helps you learn OE?
Posted by: Billy Bob Soothsayers at April 03, 2011 08:43 PM (BPptn)

It would be much appreciated. 

151 On NPR today (don't ask) the top story was the koran burning.  They actually said
"The Holy Koran, the Holy Book of Islam..."

Twice in one sentence.  Holy, Holy, Holy Qur'an!  Holy cow, holy shit, holy koran. 

When's the last time they referred to the Holy Bible?  Let alone call it holy twice in one sentence.

152 Why is their stone age religion to be more respected? I absolutely no longer follow the liberal (and apparently some demented conservative) logic.

Because they cut off people's heads.  As Insty keeps saying, people are paying attention to the incentive structure. 

153 I like Molly Ringwald in the Hughes movies but what idiot had the idea to make her Fran Goldsmith?

154 Dr. Seuss got into the propaganda act as well.

155 157 No shit,I have heard(I hope it ain't true) that troops are advised on what level of force is appropriate.I can just see a lawyer telling some soldier"did you have to shoot him AND bash his skull in?that was disproportionate use of force."

156 The killing fields were in the East, Poland and the Ukraine...There was some intellingence transmitted to the Allies early in the war...What could be done?  We didn't come ashore in France until 1944.  By then, the damage had been done.  Of course, Stalin had killed or starved millions of Ukrainians before WWII.  I don't think the west had a clue of the barbarity going on in the USSR really until the Berlin wall came down and the history could be put together.  Tim Snyder's "Bloodlands" provides an exhaustive analysis of the both the German and Soviet barbarity...

157 If my enemies had burned Mein Kampf the war would have been over sooner.

158 His term is not up till 2014. SC needs to recall him.

159 Petraeus needs to get back to killing and blowing shit up. He's too deep into his COIN strategy. He has lost sight of what he is fighting for.

160 If my Little Red Book had been burned you round eyes would not have lost China.

161 Posted by: Romeo13 at April 03, 2011 08:44 PM (NtXW4)
The founders put the "Domestic enemies" phrase in there for a darn good reason.  They were experienced observers of the political scene even though it was more than a 100 years ago.  Gee, I wish we would think about what they wrote in those old documents every now and again.

162 165 Remember too that Churchill wanted an invasion through the Aegean to recapture parts of the East both to forestall the Soviets and I believe he used the camps to support his argument.We wanted none of that,a quick strike through France was the quickest way to end the war.Degaulle backed us on that for obvious reasons.

163 DON'T even think about burning my book or I'll raise your taxes!

164

And remember, we will have JAG staffer/observers and embedded liberal news media videographers all around to prosecute the h**l out of troops if we REMFs deem that that you acted disproportionately!

Did I mention that Graham was a JAG officer?

BTW, do they call them jagoffs?  If you ever lived in Pittsburgh, you know what I mean.

165 Or Billy Ayers book neither!

166
Hrothgar,
This is a really nifty OE website created by one the OE experts, Peter Baker.

This link goes to the anthology. You can click on each word and it not only translates the word, it gives gender, case, and count, i.e., plural, singular.

Explore the entire site because it also grammatical exercises you can do.

167

If someone were to write a self help guide book  that included where you could sell your farm animals after you dumped a load in them, said you should marry little girls a young as six but should thigh them to get your nut untill they are 9, when it would be okay for full fledged sex, over throw our government for  a religion based government, extort 10% of everyones wages that don't believe in the religion you just made up and behead people that don't buy into your proclamation do you think people in badges would show up and take you on a perp walk. 

168 5 If we're seriously afraid of somebody burning a book, then the terrorists really did win.Posted by: USS Diversity   Well what with that and a President named Hussein, the terrorists have won.

169 I was involved in a book burning once.Summer of 94 the NY Rangers won their first Stanley Cup since 1940 and a friend threw a party to burn a book called "The Rise and Fall of the NY Rangers" that was written circa 1980.The author basically saying the Rangers would never win.A good time was had by all,the book was barbecued nicely.

170 Vic and any other SC Morons, please weigh in.  Every time I talk with South Carolinians about Linseed, they roll their eyes and say "He owns the SC GOP."  WTH?  What could he possibly have on these folks that make the masses vote FOR him her shim?

171 We need a web site where we can strike a virtual match to a virtual koran and burn it virtually. That'll really piss the assholes off! We could have millions of pages of burning korans.

172 Just like his butt buddy McCain.  He had a statement during Bush's Presidency about rather having good government than free speech.

173 The Koran burning has made the Libyan rebels cut their own heads off.

174 Petraeus really pisses me off.I really am starting to hate that guy.So many ways he could have gone with this yet he chose to bow to the fucking savages again.

175 160 On NPR today (don't ask) the top story was the koran burning.  They actually said
"The Holy Koran, the Holy Book of Islam..."

Twice in one sentence.  Holy, Holy, Holy Qur'an!  Holy cow, holy shit, holy koran. 

When's the last time they referred to the Holy Bible?  Let alone call it holy twice in one sentence.


It's enough to make you think that that there's a plan here aimed at a kind of permissive acceptance of Sharia. It makes plausible a scenario like that Robert Ferrigno's novel Prayers for the Assassin, in which a majority of Americans convert to Islam following a series of terrorist attacks. This creeping acceptance of Islamic anti-blasphemy laws is softening up a lot of people for some kind of apocalyptic event. Scary--in more ways than one.

176 When Miss Lindsay farts it sounds like a polite golf clap.

177

Come to my seminar and burn my book!

*waves zippo*

178 Yep here we go.  McCain on Free Speech

179
What could be done?  We didn't come ashore in France until 1944.  By then, the damage had been done.

There was earlier talk of bombing the rail yards and other parts of the infrastructure supporting the concentration camps, but nothing was ever done. They knew it was going on and how to disrupt it but chose not to get involved.

180 185 Well,I could imagine large numbers of faithless assholes converting to preserve their pathetic lives.Cali would be 90% muslim in a heartbeat.

181 What we need is every copy of the koran in a big ass bonfire with Senator Graham as the cherry on top.

182 180 Vic and any other SC Morons, please weigh in.  Every time I talk with South Carolinians about Linseed, they roll their eyes and say "He owns the SC GOP."  WTH?  What could he possibly have on these folks that make the masses vote FOR him her shim?

Posted by: RushBabe at April 03, 2011 08:55 PM (urYpw)

From what I gather, he's head of that wing that was trying to knock off Nikky Haley.  With her and DeMint in statewide office, I think Graham owns very little at this point.

183 No, Graham's even worse than the average congress-moron. He's a true believer. He, like McCain, would seriously sell away your freedoms so we can build mud huts in Afghanistan in peace.

184 Posted by: Billy Bob Soothsayers at April 03, 2011 08:53 PM (5ql/p)
Hrothgar thanks you Sir.

185 Lindsey Graham is not American. He's an American Citizen, but not American. He's a Governmentian.

186 If some asshole burns a Bible, he doesn't burn the word of God. And he doesn't destroy Christ. So, he's still an asshole and Christianity goes on.

Meh.

Those fuckers apparently think their religion is so friggin fragile that the burning of the literal word will bring it crashing down.

Clearly, they have small penises.

187 Anything that pisses off the filthy muzzies while giving Miss Lindsey menstrual cramps is a righteous twofer in my book.

The next time you decide to weigh in Senator Fuckwad try to remember the scale is a dead give away for a political lightweight.

188 189 Bomb tonnage diverted for a very secondary consideration in their minds.They argued the quicker the Germans were defeated the sooner it would end.Would have been terribly difficult to pull off even with all assets concentrated on it anyway.

189 Petraeus really pisses me off.I really am starting to hate that guy.So many ways he could have gone with this yet he chose to bow to the fucking savages again.

Posted by: steevy at April 03, 2011 08:56 PM (tfrqL)

The video that I saw of him on Fox News was disconcerting.  Like a hostage making a statement written by his captors.  Not even an attempt to clink out an SOS.  If this is the best we've got we need to get the fuck out of shitholistan before more of our kids can be killed by these goatfuckers.

190

Burp!

191

 RushBabe at April 03, 2011 08:55 PM (urYpw)

Lindsey has been censured by the SC GOP...So, saying that he owns the GOP in SC is totally false...He managed to get re-elected before the Tea Party got traction in 2008.  He will be vulnerable in 2014.  I've heard that Joe "you lie" Wilson could be a challenger...Lindsey's support of amnesty and cap n trade did not go unnoticed here...He'll have his hands full of something other than some dudes dick and hairy balls come 2014,,,

192 SC, either replace Miss L with a Conservative, or a Democrat. I'm sick of the RINO tease acts.

193

Clearly, they have small penises.
 

_{And tiny minds too.}

 

194 They don't think it be like it is, but it do

195 Miss Lindsey has pretty eyes.  I wonder if he and Miss Shep go to the same salon.

196 Petraeus really pisses me off.I really am starting to hate that guy.So many ways he could have gone with this yet he chose to bow to the fucking savages again.

Posted by: steevy at April 03, 2011 08:56 PM (tfrqL)

The video that I saw of him on Fox News was disconcerting.  Like a hostage making a statement written by his captors.  Not even an attempt to clink out an SOS.  If this is the best we've got we need to get the fuck out of shitholistan before more of our kids can be killed by these goatfuckers.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 03, 2011 09:01 PM (yQWNf)

And every so often, you'll still see suggestions on conservative sites that he run for 2012.  Blech.

197 199 Not the first time he has said or written something disconcerting,it has become a pattern.Fucking politician.

198

Don't be too pissed at Petraeus-

His statement is more for local consumption than ours. He has to actually deal with the barbarians, and our Rules of Engagement do not include nukes.

199

Who knew it could be this easy...

I'm issuing a fatwa that says government spending must be cut by 15% across the board.  Or else. 

200 South Carolina can do better than this.

201 Re: the bombing (or lack of) of concentration camps. As I recall, part of the reason for not doing so was because the Germans were committing a lot of logistical resources to keeping the camps operating. Resources that could have been used against Allied forces if the camps were destroyed. Therefore, the thinking was that by leaving the camps alone they could defeat the Germans more quickly, at a cost of fewer lives (fewer Allied soldier lives, anyway).

202

Who knew it could be this easy...

I'm issuing a fatwa that says government spending must be cut by 7515% across the board.  Or else. 

Posted by: Meremortal at April 03, 2011 09:07 PM (DffuX)

FTFY

203 Where are the rest of the Churches in America? I don't care one damn about the motive of this pastor. But now that the shit has hit the fan, is the rest of Christianity going to hide under the bed and quiver with Lindsay, McCain and that dick-weasel Durbin? Who could not say HOLY Koran with more reverence than if he was sucking Mohammad's dick.

204 Also chiming in today:

Congressional leaders Sunday denounced the recent Koran burning in Florida that is being blamed for days of deadly anti-American riots across Afghanistan and hinted at possible congressional condemnation or hearings.

Rep. Mike Rogers, Michigan Republican and chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, said on NBC’s “Meet the Press” that keeping U.S. troops safe is the responsibility of every American.

“Weve asked Americans in every tough conflict we've had in this country to be thoughtful and mindful of each citizen’s responsibility to do their part to make sure our soldiers come home safely and with a sense of an accomplished mission,” he said.




Mike "Hey, we've got a lot of Muzzie votes up here too ya know" Rogers.

205

OT but I need to vent and it can't wait till the ONT.  My wife and I just went to Applebees for dinner.  A woman with two children right next to use had a noisy little boy.  That's okay.  It happens.  She would correct him in an even louder voice.  No wonder the kid is loud.  Apparently, she was friends with the staff as she had conversations with them 12 feet away by yelling over the general din of the room.  I was about to say something when the waiter walked over to her table to continue the conversation.  Oddly she had, what I interperate as, the Valley Girl voice, nasal and dragged out the end of the last word of her sentences.  We live in Ohio.  The loud mouthed correction of her noisy child continued.  I said to my wife let's move.  She said they were done eating and just wait it out.  The mother had chastized her little girl for not eating anything but proceeded to order desert for the whelp.  On easily hearing that from 12 feet away I fairly loudly said, "That's it".  With my wife looking, I grabbed my salad, drink and utencils and moved.  My wife followed.

The woman finally took the hint and quieted down.  She left by a somewhat circuitous route to avoid passing our table.  The table now next to us was a bunch of kids filled with the spirit that began singing Alleliua.  Also, at their table, it was somebody's fucking birthday so out come the clapping wait staff.  WTF!  I tipped the waitress 20% and told the guy holding the door this was "the noisiest fucking restaurant I ever ate at.", thoroughly embarrassing my wife.  I don't normally get this outspoken with people but I think it is a responsibility of a polite society to occasionally point out obvious rudeness of others.

206 I don't normally get this outspoken with people but I think it is a responsibility of a polite society to occasionally point out obvious rudeness of others.

That's what you get for eating at Applebees!

207 216 Good for you.We should all draw the line on this and other things of the sort.People are cruder and ruder than ever.

208 "General Betray-Us" isn't looking so bad now, is it wingnuts?

209 ""What we need is every copy of the koran in a big ass bonfire with Senator Graham as the cherry on top""


Maybe a nice demonstration of a square peg in a round hole, like if you sledgehammer a koran in his ass.

210 207 199 Not the first time he has said or written something disconcerting,it has become a pattern.Fucking politician.

Posted by: steevy at April 03, 2011 09:06 PM (tfrqL)

Sorry, but he's not trying to please his constituents (the definition of a politician), he's trying to please NPR and all the "right thinking" people.

Look, the reason that I bring up that he's a lawyer (and let's face it, the smarmiest politicians are lawyers, but that's beside the point) is that lawyers like their profession because their main priority is "justice".

Not freedom.  Justice.

They don't call it the Department of Lawyers, but they call it the Department of Justice.

Well, justice calls for all bad things to be illegal and all good things to be subsidized. In fact, lawyers aren't bound by the rule of law. Au contraire, they're hired mostly to get around the law.  That's why they exist.

Lawyers are the KY Jelly for corruption.

But even the idealistic ones are motivated by the goal of achieving justice, social or otherwise. And if an old document gets in the way, if they can't see how their short-term narrow attempt to impose justice will lead to larger problems down the road, they don't care.

When the case is over, the lawyer gets paid and moves on. Whatever devastation is wrought is not his problem.  He's an advocate. He could be hired by the other side tomorrow.

211 Bullshit.  And this isn't the first time he's pulled this shit, either.

He is in an incredibly tough spot. What the hell is he supposed to say, while standing amidst the bastards with our men and women nearby?

212 I happened into Christine Amamananaampoooors show on the idiot box this morning.  Unreal.  They were talking about this stupid pastor dude like he is the one that did the killing and beheading in A-stan and not the actual actors.  God I hate...... HATE these fucking people.  My wife turned off the TV when she could no longer stand to watch me screaming at it.  We truly are circling the bowl. 

213

"and with a sense of an accomplished mission,” he said."

Hey here's an idea, how about giving them a clear, well defined mission, and ROE's that will allow them to accomplish that mission?

Douchebag.

 

214

#211  A whole lot of the killing was done with a pistol held to the back of the head...I'm talking millions...As well, our heavy bombers did not really get going until 1943.  By then, millions had already died.  We did not have fighter cover for deep penetration strikes until late in the war, 1944-1945.  So, bombing railyards that were shuttling jews to Auschwitz, Sobibor, Treblinka and other camps really was not a viable tactic that could possibly have mitigated the holocaust.

215 south carolina is the anus of america

216

South Carolina can do better than this.

 OR NOT !

Stranger than South Carolina's politics is the nearly nativist pride many take in its nastiness.

Not the good folks of the Palmetto State, but rather the politicos who work diligently to manipulate the sort of voters who, for example, would elect Alvin M. Greene to the U.S. Senate.

Who? Good question.

The Democratic mystery man who was nominated to run against Republican Sen. Jim DeMint seemingly materialized out of nowhere, without any evidence of having had a campaign.

Greene, an unemployed veteran discharged from two branches of the armed services — and under investigation for allegedly showing lewd images to a University of South Carolina student (a charge he denies) — reportedly paid the $10,400 filing fee out of his own pocket.

So strange is the emergence of Greene, whose numerous post-election interviews have gone viral on the Internet, that fellow South Carolinian and House Majority Whip James Clyburn has requested an investigation into his political rise.

"Something was going on in South Carolina that was untoward . . . I couldn't quite put my finger on it," said Clyburn.

Truer words.

South Carolina Republicans, meanwhile, called for the resignation of state Sen. Jake Knotts for calling gubernatorial candidate Nikki Haley a "raghead" a few days before the primary.

The race was either the nadir or the zenith of high jinks politics, depending on one's point of view. Let's just say that the question "How low can you go?" isn't strictly rhetorical around here.

Knotts, who says he "could care less" what his fellow Republicans think (and won't resign), insists the slur was a joke. More likely it was a strategic move to broach the religion issue and implant the idea in voters' minds that Haley might be a Muslim. It was a calculated risk that in another political cycle might have served him well.

Not this time. Racial and ethnic slurs today are political suicide in South Carolina.

Haley shot to the top of the ticket, in spite of two men's claims that they each had a romantic interlude with the candidate, a married mother of two.

While the rest of the nation reeled in indignation — or guffawed at the Comedy Central punch line that South Carolina has become — natives shrugged. Thus it has always been. But why is that, exactly? When does it stop? More to the point, does anyone really want it to?

Many invoke the famously dirty-dealing Lee Atwater, who apologized to some of his targets as he was dying of brain cancer. But Katon Dawson, the former state Republican chairman who was defeated by Michael Steele for national party head, theorizes that the state's dirty politics can be traced to the American Revolution:

General Francis Marion, aka the "Swamp Fox," started it with untraditional warfare against the British by attacking, inflicting massive damage to the enemy, and then retreating into the swamps and backwoods of South Carolina. This is a part of our heritage that still goes on in modern political campaigns . . . We all have a little of the Fox in us — and proud of it.

Be that as it may, something shifted in South Carolina this time that has gone largely unnoticed. The big story, says Dawson, isn't the alleged affairs, the ethnic slur or the mystery candidate. It is that voters rejected dirty politics-as-usual and the old boys' club.

Haley defeated a list of veteran politicians, including Attorney General Henry McMaster (who deserves an award for gentlemanly behavior).

And down here in the Lowcountry, where the Civil War began, Tim Scott, an African-American Republican, outperformed two of the most powerful names in the state's political history for the 1st Congressional District seat — Carroll Campbell III, son of the late Gov. Carroll Campbell Jr., and Paul Thurmond, son of the late Sen. Strom Thurmond. Scott and Thurmond will square off in a June 22 runoff.

Though Haley fell slightly short of the 51 percent needed to win the nomination, and faces Rep. Gresham Barrett in a runoff, she trounced her competitors in part because voters rejected the nastiness that motivated the attacks against her.

For her own part, Haley told me that her biggest concern was that her attackers made her state look bad.

"I want the country to know we're not a bunch of ignorant rednecks down here. And the vast majority of South Carolinians do not think that way."

If this kind of thinking prevails, Jon Stewart may not have South Carolina to kick around for much longer.

217 I hear you Ohio Dan. Too many people are raised by wolves.

218 Sorry, but he's not trying to please his constituents (the definition of a politician), he's trying to please NPR and all the "right thinking" people.

Maybe I'm mistaken, but I thought that comment pertained to Petraeus.

219
198 189 Bomb tonnage diverted for a very secondary consideration in their minds.They argued the quicker the Germans were defeated the sooner it would end.Would have been terribly difficult to pull off even with all assets concentrated on it anyway.

Posted by: steevy at April 03, 2011 09:00 PM (tfrqL)

I understand that argument.It's sound and logical. But we also bombed stuff just because Montgomery or de Gaulle wanted it bombed, rather than for any strategic or tactical reasons. Ike was as much as a politician as a general and he didn't have many Jewish constituents to worry about satisfying.

220

And every so often, you'll still see suggestions on conservative sites that he run for 2012.  Blech.

Posted by: RushBabe at April 03, 2011 09:05 PM (urYpw)

Col. Hackworth referred to the bitch's as 'perfumed princes'. Once they get stars it's all politics nowadays.

221 at least la. has good food. whats sc got? gamey cocks?

222 Stranger than South Carolina's politics is the nearly nativist pride many take in its nastiness.

Bless your heart.

223

The Holocaust Museum in DC makes it very clear that people in high places knew about the massacres and the concentration camps before the US entered the war but the US chose not to intervene.

Posted by: ParanoidAnxietyGirlInSeattle

Churchill was given ENIGMA de-crypts earlier in WWII that detailed  the operations of the concentration and death camps.  He couldn't do much of anything about it, and acting upon such information could give away the secret that the cryptologists at BLechley Park could read ENIGMA coded messages.  ENIGMA also was used to guide the U-boat campaign, and at the time, Britain was hanging on by its fingernails.

Churchill asked them to stop bringing him decrypts of the concentration and death camp operations.  Who knows what Roosevelt was told later when more intelligence was shared.  There was a great deal of work done in the US to make mechanical devices to enable faster decrypt of ENIGMA codes, as there was too much traffic for the original cryptologists in Britain to keep up with.

224

He is in an incredibly tough spot. What the hell is he supposed to say, while standing amidst the bastards with our men and women nearby?

He is supposed to say America is a country of 300 million people.  We have fought for the right to freedom of speach, religion.  We even have the right to be obnoxious, which somebody invariably are.  We don't kill people for it.  That's what we stand for.

225 As we used to say back when I was serving..." I disagree with what your saying but will defend to the death your right to say it'!  I can speak on principle that almost ALL military men and women would disagree with that idiotic Senator Lindsey. We would rather stand and fight and if the danger increases because of what they think about us then we will fight harder and kill more of the bastards! As long as our country stands behind us we cannot be defeated. We may lose a battle or two but NEVER the spirit that we possess as warriors for our way of life. Damnit...we cant let these idiots dictate what we can and cannot say! Our fighting men and women know what they are getting into when they sign up... and its not to go sign up for some kumbaya sing-a-long!

John
USN
SCPO (ret)

226 Too many people are raised by wolves.

I actually turned to someone in a restaurant whose child was pulling my hair and who kept saying "ahh it's cute she likes you" and said "I'm sorry, but were you raised by the stupid wolves?"  It was worth the manager asking me to leave to see the look on her face. 

227 You burn a flag, we burn a Qur'an.

You burn a flag, we burn a Qur'an.

After a few thousand burnings, I think the message will get across.

Also there is strength in numbers, we should have a burn the book day.

Fuck these people and the camels they rode in on.

228

 I happened into Christine Amamananaampoooors show.....

 

Shouldn't there be an "r" in their somewhere?

229 I hear you Ohio Dan. Too many people are raised by wolves. Posted by: USS Diversity at April 03, 2011 09:18 PM

Wolves take turns going at the carcass.  Buzzards, perhaps.

230 "Lindsey 'Cheap Shots' Graham" is catchy.  It's the next "honey badger don't drink pina coladas."

231 230 Sorry, but he's not trying to please his constituents (the definition of a politician), he's trying to please NPR and all the "right thinking" people.

Maybe I'm mistaken, but I thought that comment pertained to Petraeus.

Posted by: Chili's Chips and Salsa at April 03, 2011 09:18 PM (piMMO)

I was thinking it applied to Graham, at least, that's what I intended.

232 And the manager asked you to leave?

233 We aught to have fireworks that blow Korans into confetti.

234 222 226 Both spot on.Said it better than me.

235 I have a friend who has to ask families to leave for not controlling their kids on a regular basis.

236

"Once they get stars it's all politics nowadays."

If they're not pretty adept at politics, they'll never get the stars in the first place.

237 I'm now laughing at the Applebees story. I remember way back when my daughter was about six. We were out to dinner and there were kids literally running around the restaurant. My well-mannered 6 year old put her hand over her face and shook her head, as if she were embarrassed...

"I can't believe the way those children are behaving."

238 He is supposed to say America is a country of 300 million people.  We have fought for the right to freedom of speach, religion.  We even have the right to be obnoxious, which somebody invariably are.  We don't kill people for it.  That's what we stand for.

Or maybe he could just offer to teach UN security guards how to use their weapons.

239 ""We aught to have fireworks that blow Korans into confetti.""


We have them, they're called shotguns.

240 And the manager asked you to leave?

She was some kind of relative and I refused to be the one who moved as I was seated well before them.  I'll admit, I was starting to make a bit of a scene so it was easier for him to ask one person to go rather than six.  I don't blame him for taking the easy way out, I wouldn't want to deal with me when I have a mad on either.

241 I was thinking it applied to Graham, at least, that's what I intended.

I mean the comment to which you were responding.

Nevermind.

242

If someone gave me a koran, I doubt I would burn it. I collect books, might be a nice addition to the library.

If someone gave me another one, I would certainly consider using the pages to light the BBQ....clean the dipstick when I change the oil, etc.

Depending on what kind of paper it is printed on, I may put it in the john in case I run out of squares.

Tasteless? Classless? SURE- but at least I am not asking for any NEA money.

243 TO ALL WHO ARE PISSED OFF AT GRAHAM AND REID FOLLOW THE LINK BELOW TO REGAIN YOUR 1ST AMENDMENT RIGHTS. http://ow.ly/4si66

244 We have them, they're called shotguns.

PUUUULLLLL!!!

245 242 Yeah,I was commenting about Petraeus.Still great job of dissecting a weasel.

246 The Holocaust Museum in DC makes it very clear that people in high places knew about the massacres and the concentration camps before the US entered the war but the US chose not to intervene.

God, I hated that museum.  I don't mean to be insensitive, but was it the designers' intention to make visitors feel like they were being jammed through some crowded execution line like the Nazis employed?  It felt like a cattle slaughterhouse the way everyone was forced people through small hallways with little room to move around or breathe.

I have to assume that was the point, because otherwise it was a colossal fuckup by the designers.

247 236 Exactly Dan,and he chose instead to bow to the fuckers and doff his cap.

248 I haven't been a fan of Petraus for a while.  Our senior command staff have been behaving more like politicians than warriors for a while.  That's why General "Stormin" Norman Schwarzkopf was so popular. 

249 if you were the least bit self-aware it would be obvious.

250

God, I hated that museum.  I don't mean to be insensitive, but was it the designers' intention to make visitors feel like they were being jammed through some crowded execution line like the Nazis employed?  It felt like a cattle slaughterhouse the way everyone was forced people through small hallways with little room to move around or breathe.

Why yes, that was the idea.  The designers of the museum did not want it to be a comfortable place.

251 ""If someone gave me a koran, I doubt I would burn it. I collect books, might be a nice addition to the library""


I built a 15 foot wide, ceiling to floor, bad ass , 5 section book case that looks like it came out of a fucking castle for my books. The koran will never defile it's shelves. I would rather have a copy of  the satanic bible than the ravings of 7th century puckering asshole. I wouldn't insult the dust that may have to fall on it.

252
A whole lot of the killing was done with a pistol held to the back of the head...I'm talking millions...As well, our heavy bombers did not really get going until 1943.  By then, millions had already died.

I think you're mistaking the Einsatzgruppen with the concentration camps. And it was in 1943 that the allies became fully aware of the concentration camps. The camps didn't just exist to kill Jews -- they made uniforms, built roads and railroads, worked quarries and performed other work for the German war effort. And the allies knew it. They simply had nobody speaking up for them, so they weren't even placed on the list.

253

There's a "first amendment week" at my school next week.  It's sponsored by the journalism department.  Any bets on whether they'll burn a Koran?

254 264 Some camps were purely to kill jews,"the final solution".Others were as you say and certainly conditions were brutal and many died but they weren't designed to KILL.Originally the Germans shot jews out of hand but that was not systematic enough for them.

255 You gotta go to IOTW and check out the pic of Lindsey Graham.  I think it's photo shopped.

256

The camps didn't just exist to kill Jews -- they made uniforms, built roads and railroads, worked quarries and performed other work for the German war effort. And the allies knew it.

And my FIL was one of them.  He worked like a dog for companies like Bayer and BMW just to name a few. 

257 That's why General "Stormin" Norman Schwarzkopf was so popular. 

Posted by: Ohio Dan

Actually, he wasn't.  His nickname with subordinates was "The Bear", and it wasn't because of his size or girth. A lot of his subordinates are on record about their dislike of him and his command methods. "Stormin' Norman" was a media manufactured nickname for him.

Fred Franks (US Army, 4-star, ret) and Tom Clancy co-authored "Into The Storm", part of which chronicles Franks' command of 5th Corp, Third Army, under Schwarzkopf.  He makes no bones about his intense dislike of Schwarzkopf. 

258

I don't know what is worse, him sitting around "punching Bobo the clown", or that he is the happy recipient/giver of being "the Lucky Pierre".  [Pierre being the middleman of a three way mandoggle....he's the giver and the taker].

259

I pity the servers carrying heavily loaded trays having to avoid the uncontrolled kids running amok.  Saw two near collisions at Joe's CrabShack during a recent visit because of this.  Yet no one asked the parents to control their spawn of satan.

260 Yet no one asked the parents to control their spawn of satan.

A face full of steamed crabs should do the trick.

OOOPS!!

261 I'm very disappointed with Patreus -- if he were to run for office I don't think I could vote for him now.

Graham is a dimmhi dumbass who say dumbass shit every time he opens his mouth. He badly needs replacing. What more is there to say about him? With my meds kicking in, I got nothing more.

262 Leadership ain't about being liked.

263

General Scheisskopf wasn't very popular either. He wanted everybody to march.

264

AmishDude at April 03, 2011 09:17 PM (BvBKY) 

I have never had a Lawyer do a DAMN thing until they were paid in full.

No if's ands or buts about it.

265  Leadership ain't about being liked.

Posted by: steevy at April 03, 2011 09:42 PM (tfrqL)

If you are a leader that everyone likes you're doing something wrong.

266 if you were the least bit self-aware it would be obvious.

Posted by: D. Hopper at April 03, 2011 09:31 PM (vXwmy)

I was 12, but thanks.

267 CJ Burch, I still would rather have that than a command staff that let's our men fight for their lives for a day and a half in Somalia and their bodies desecrated by cavemen with guns.  The general should have sent in help, got them help and given up his command before letting them die in hand to hand combat because they were abandoned by our president and their commanders.

268 I pity the servers carrying heavily loaded trays having to avoid the uncontrolled kids running amok.  Saw two near collisions at Joe's CrabShack during a recent visit because of this.  Yet no one asked the parents to control their spawn of satan.

There's a local diner here that has an unattended children will be given a free kitten and espresso sign up.  I've seen them politely but firmly tell people to keep their children under control.  Needless to say, this place is going to get a ton of business from me. 

269
Who would you ratehr have at your back The Bear or Wesley Clark?

270 Leadership ain't about being liked.

The deuce, you say!

271 nothing wrong about being a little slow on the uptake...

272

If you put a Koran on your Kindle are you ever allowed to delete it?  throw it out? recycle it? 

What if your ebook crashes?...or what if you have some Penthouse letters on there with it?

273

John at April 03, 2011 09:21 PM (VG/kG) 

Hear! Hear!

274

WWII was probably extended because we ridiculed the enemy. If we had only known how wars were supposed to be fought.

275

 south carolina is the anus of america

I can agree with that.

276 Also chiming in, the Fourth Estate:

On Friday’s edition of Hardball, Chuck Todd was joined by guest Time Magazine World editor Bobby Ghosh, who explained to Todd that burning a copy of the Qu’ran was “much more inflammatory than burning a Bible” because of the merits of the two texts.

GHOSH: The thing to keep in mind that`s very important here is that the Koran to Muslims, it is not — it is not the same as the Bible to Christians. The Bible is a book written by men. It is acknowledged by Christians that it is written by men. It`s the story of Jesus.

TODD: Yes.

GHOSH: But the Koran, if you are a believer, if you`re a Muslim, the Koran is directly the word of God, not written by man. It is transcribed, is directly the word of God. That makes it sacred in a way that it`s hard to understand if you`re not Muslim. So the act of burning a Koran is much more — potentially much, much more inflammatory than –

TODD: Directly attacking — directly attacking God.

GHOSH: — than if you were to burn a — burn a Bible.

277 south carolina is the anus of america

I can agree with that.

Posted by: SomewhereSouthWest at April 03, 2011 09:53 PM (CyPWX)

Ever been to Delaware?

278 ....South Carolina is the anus of America



South Carolina: North Carolina's younger brother who majored in Art History and never seems to have a girlfriend.

279

I actually had to come to Ace's website to see if this story was true. I cannot believe this idiot actually said this on See-BS.

So, the US Consitution guarantees the right to express yourself, burning flags, burning books, including the Koran.

But Shariah law forbids burning the Koran, so we are now going to follow Sharia over the US Consitution?

is this for real?  did this stupid idiotic Senator realise he will follow Shairah over our Consitution, really what next? what's the next thing to offend muslims that we have to bend rules for everyone else?

280

Ever been to Delaware?

Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 03, 2011 09:54 PM (yQWNf)

No they have witches there.

281 Kinda going out on a limb here, but I'm guessing Bobby Ghosh is not a devout Christian, nor an expert on theology.

282

269-

As one of the soldiers who served under Schawrtzkopf,  he was IMMENSELY popular with the troops. it was the flag officers who hated him. He demanded a high standard, didn't like the appearance of weakness, and expected success.  He demanded a high level of excellence, and was a pretty profane speaker on occasion (another reason the troops loved him, and the officers not-so-much). He wasn't big on political finesse.

He crossed swords with numerous generals in his career.

The General Franks you refer to is NOT the same one from Afganistan and Iraq- he was a Colonel and later 1-star in the 1st Cavalry Division, ran the G-3 shop. (you didn't say he was, but I wanted to point that out).

283 at least de is good for something

284 didn't franks run away and hide like a little pussy at the first sign of trouble?

285 I have a question: did Jones burn an English or an Arabic Koran?  Because we're told that a "real" Koran isn't translated.

286 Hmm.  If Lindsey Graham were to come out in favor of a formal declaration of war, which is fully within the scope of his job description, then he might be worth listening to. 

Face it, when America becomes the world's police force, politicians, like General Petraeus, will do what they are instructed to do by those in power above them.

It really is a damn shame that we are forced to tolerate this political perversion of our system of governance.

287

"GHOSH: But the Koran, if you are a believer, if you`re a Muslim, the Koran is directly the word of God, not written by man"

Oh Bobby (since you are a Hindu), do you really thing if the Hindu's holy book of the Gita is burned, Hindus will go around murdering people?

and that book is written by their Gods, according to Hindus.

Its is only with the Koran -- not Bible, not Torah, not Gita, and it is only with muslims, and no one calls them out on it. Heck go to India, burn the Gita, people will be mad, but no murderous rage, burn a Koran, hmmm, might be taking a mighty very dangerous risk.

288 D . Hopper ,,,,,and I mean this in the most polite sense ,  what is your fuckin' problem ?

Asshole.

289

This Fred Franks.

http://tinyurl.com/4xswjzt

As for Wesley Clark, he was an incompetent general officer.  Hugh Shelton, a personal friend, finally relieved him, because he couldn't take orders and was generally screwing up the whole situation.

290

GHOSH: The thing to keep in mind that`s very important here is that the Koran to Muslims, it is not — it is not the same as the Bible to Christians. The Bible is a book written by men. It is acknowledged by Christians that it is written by men. It`s the story of Jesus.

Moses must be thinking, "what was all that business on the mountain about, then?"

 

291 #185

Prayers for the Assassin

That's the book I've been trying to remember the name of for months!  I read a review of it in National Review back to 2006 but failed to pick it up.  Thanks.

Serendipity strikes at AoSHQ

292

 Fred Franks discuss the mission and his command of 7th Corps during Desert Storm.

http://tinyurl.com/3uyrmno

He commanded 5th Corp in Germany before being mobilized in Saudi Arabia to command 7th Corps. His problem with Schwarzkopf was that Schwarzkopf wanted to have it both ways by the end of the mechanized campaign, and didn't really know what 7th Corp had done before he crticized Franks to higher command (General Powell).  Franks gives kudos and credit to all the other General officers and others in the book, and pointedly ignores Schwarzkopf.

Schwarzkopf was commander of CENTCOM at the time of Desert Shield, and was the logical Theater Commander, but was not an expert in mechanized warfare.  His expertise was largely based on his time in Saudi Arabia and dealings with Arabs.  John Yeosock was commander of 3rd Army and Franks' immediate superior, and Franks had high praise for Yeosock.

293 yeah, but did Ike bail out a month after D-Day?

294 236

He is supposed to say America is a country of 300 million people.  We have fought for the right to freedom of speach, religion.  We even have the right to be obnoxious, which somebody invariably are.  We don't kill people for it.  That's what we stand for.

Posted by: Ohio Dan

That or he could have kept his mouth shut. I suspect he was scripted, again, by TOTUS.

295

#264

" The vast majority of jews killed in the holocaust, never saw a concentration camp."  Bloodlands, pg 382. 

" by the spring of 1943, three fourths of all the jews who would be killed in the holocaust were already dead."  Bloodlands, pg 383

The allies could not stop the holocaust...The russians were fighting for their lives and the American Air armadas that would ulitimately crush Germany were not effectively operating in time to mitigate killing perpetrated by the Nazis in the east.  Furthermore, since most of the killing was disbursed throughout Poland, the Ukraine, Belarus and not connected to the concentration camp system, strategic bombing, had it been even possible, would not have changed the outcome.

296

Hey, here's an idea, hows about we ban all Korans from American soil to stop this behavior before it happens?
This x 10^{10000000000000000000000000}

The Koran offends me, I slam offends me.  It flies in the face of every concept held dear to our country.  It promotes enslavement and genocide; any means necessary to obtain absolute tyrannical world control. 

I don't know how certain people could not be offended by that, especially considering how they're screaming for revenge 'reparations.'  Also, in spite of the First Amendment, other (much less incendiary, btw) books have already been banned...lol, pun intended...

I just don't understand how I slam can be considered a legitimate "religion" and not considered a weapon/enemy action against the USA.

 

297 Posted by: awkward davies at April 03, 2011 10:12 PM (YCW1b)
Seconded.

298
Furthermore, since most of the killing was disbursed throughout Poland, the Ukraine, Belarus and not connected to the concentration camp system, strategic bombing, had it been even possible, would not have changed the outcome.

Posted by: caped purveyor at April 03, 2011 10:55 PM (sE08M)

As I said before, that was the work of the Einsatzgruppen.

Regardless, the concentration camp system was used to support the German war effort. Considering all of the political decisions that trumped tactical and strategic decisions, as well as all of efforts spent on crazy fruitless schemes like Project Aphrodite, disrupting the war production of concentration camps made more sense than other things the allies did.

299 #310 Good discussion...Thanks

300 303 #185

Prayers for the Assassin

That's the book I've been trying to remember the name of for months!  I read a review of it in National Review back to 2006 but failed to pick it up.  Thanks.

Serendipity strikes at AoSHQ



Gesundheit.  You're welcome.

301 Thanks for the advice, Dave In Texas and others!  We certainly appreciate it.  In the future, to ensure the prompt attention your suggestions deserve, kindly follow this procedure carefully:  fold them five ways, and then place them where the sun never shines.  Thank you so much, bless your hearts!

Let us explain how we do things down here.  Now, we understand you do things differently where you are and you are just as anxious as a schoolgirl in line at the pony ride to tell us all about your ways.  Don't.  We don't care how you do it where you are.  We're not there, we are here, y'heah'?

We elect Senators one time, for the most part.  They let us know when they're ready to step down and let someone else go at it.  We reelected Fritz Hollings easily even after he went all pinko on us in the '70s when he thought he looked mighty Presidential in the mirror and needed to court the commies for the Democratic nomination, there being so many of them even back then.  Only once did he even have a scare, by former congressman Tommy Hartnett in 1990, and still ended up better than 2% ahead.

The last elected Senator we defeated in his renomination primary was old "Cotton Ed" Smith in 1944, and he immediately died of shock.

You want to beat Lindsey?  Who ya got to run?  No, Nikki Haley will be up for reelection as Governor that year, so count her out.  So which of the up and coming faces in the state GOP would risk their whole future trying to unseat an incumbent Senator?  Okay, you can come back to this one.

What about money?  Graham has a national network.  He raises millions every year, and hasn't been seriously challenged yet (our Democrats aren't much to look at - we keep offering them free bus fare to flee to another state like them yankee boys in the Midwest, but they expect round trip tickets and that ain't happenin' in this lifetime).  Your challenger, once you find one, will need a minimum $1-$2 million to mount a credible campaign against Graham - and he will still outspend you 4 to 1 or greater if he has to.

Now, we know there are lots of very ignorant blog readers out there, and we welcome all your money, don't get us wrong about that, but you would have better odds by convincing Christine O'Donnell to make another run at the Delaware seat, not to mention better fantasies.

302 Lindsay Graham is such a woman. (no offense to any moronettes)

He wants to criminalize burning a Koran but burning the American flag is still okeedokee?  I don't think so, senor.

What some guy does in Florida has nothing to do with the savagery of death cultists in their own country. In fact, Karzai has more blame here than the Pastor since his fellow savages didn't even know about the burnings until Karzai whined about it.

I feel sorry for the UN folks who got injured/killed but it was done by medieval barbarian believers in a pedophiliac nomad with a grudge who created a satanic religion that has been a sore on the ass of the world since it's inception with no letup in sight.

I go with whoever said upthread about how we should just outlaw all Korans on American soil. That makes as much sense as anything Lindsay's said.

Oh, BTW; Lindsay better start lining up some lucrative lobbyist position cause his a$$ is getting primaried in '12.

303 As a more recent convert to the right I admit that I still have some RINOish tendencies and haven't hated on Graham as much as some of you but this is insane.  Fuck him ... well maybe I better not put it that way, he might take me up on it.

304  Your challenger, once you find one, will need a minimum $1-$2 million to mount a credible campaign against Graham - and he will still outspend you 4 to 1 or greater if he has to.

You Lie!

305 284

If you put a Koran on your Kindle are you ever allowed to delete it? throw it out? recycle it?

What if your ebook crashes?...or what if you have some Penthouse letters on there with it?

Posted by: garrett at April 03, 2011 09:49 PM (pHa+o)

Nah.... that would just be the Demon Murphy, with Saint Vidicon not interceding for that blasphemous book...

306

I'm embarassed.

307

hold the fucking phone...we're talking about curbing american rights over a book burning because it's putting troops in danger? has anyone else noticed we're putting US warheads on muslim foreheads daily in afganistan and libya? This is more than bizare.

308 Graham is a disgraceful, pandering fool. Crawl back under your rock Graham, we'll call you if we need you.

309 here is my cartoon of a burning koran:

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310 And there you have in a nutshell, why we are doomed. We'll be lucky if the next president isn't Mahmoud Ahmedinajad.

311 If someone wants to defile a Koran, instead of burning it, they should just shove it up Lindsey Graham's ass. Two birds - one stone.

312

Lindsay Graham needs to hide under his burka.

Come on, South Carolina...primary and defeat this Toonces whiney-pants. What a ninnyhammer weakling. I'll bet he empathizes all the time with Dear Leader about bullies who picked on them in school (or madrassa).

313 This is too funny...burn a Koran and watch Islamic heads explode all over the world.  Where can we get a large supply of these books so that we can get a "Burn a Koran a Day" project going?

314 Hey, 326--up your ass with the satanic verses, AKA the Qu'ran.