August 30, 2011
— Ace You had me at "Mental illness linked to global warming."
Okay, tell a lie, I changed the headline slightly: It's actually "Mental Illness rise linked to climate." I guess they caught the unfortunate implication of writing the headline in the way I'd prefer.
RATES of mental illnesses including depression and post-traumatic stress will increase as a result of climate change, a report to be released today says.
It's 0.1 degrees warmer this August then it was in August 15 years ago. Life makes no sense anymore.
The paper, prepared for the Climate Institute, says loss of social cohesion in the wake of severe weather events related to climate change could be linked to increased rates of anxiety, depression, post-traumatic stress and substance abuse.As many as one in five people reported ''emotional injury, stress and despair'' in the wake of these events.
I'm going to diverge from this article for a moment.
In that Daily Beast article claiming that Hurricane Irene was "amped up" by global warming, the author made this claim:
Every kind of natural system is amped up, holding more power—about ¾ of a watt extra energy per square meter of the Earth’s surface, thanks to the carbon we’ve poured into the atmosphere.
ArthurK writes:
¾ of a watt? Is that a lot?
The Sun's rays are attenuated as they pass through the atmosphere, thus reducing the insolation at the Earth's surface to approximately 1,000 watts per square meter for a surface perpendicular to the Sun's rays at sea level on a clear day.Do The Math. 0.75 watts / 1,000 watts. That's what the Global Warming Cultist thinks is a World Ending Catasrophe!
You say that, Arthur, but that 3/4 of a watt is joining the chorus of voices in my head urging me to kill... kill... kill...
Okay, back to "Global warming causes mental illness."
The report, A Climate of Suffering:
You know they all high-fived each other when they came up with that.
[title continues] The Real Cost of Living with Inaction on Climate Change, called the past 15 years a ''preview of life under unrestrained global warming''.
The past 15 years have featured some hot weather, some cold weather, some dry weather, and some wet weather, which of course you know is the perfect environment for the government-engineered brain-mites boring into my skull to report my thoughts to the Postmaster General.
...The report also looks at mental health in the aftermath of major weather events possibly linked to climate change.
It shows that one in 10 primary school children reported symptoms of post-traumatic stress disorder in the wake of cyclone Larry in 2006. More than one in 10 reported symptoms more than three months after the cyclone.
As you know, cyclone Larry was the first reported cyclone in the history of Australia. They had to invent an entirely new word, "cyclone," to describe this unprecedented event, and then invented a new name, "Larry," from the Greek for "first of its kind."
I disagree with the premise. Global warming doesn't cause lunacy. The lunacy is pre-existing, and seizes upon global warming as a focus for paranoid delusions, neuroses, and apophenia.
Thanks to RobertG.
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Posted by: Y-not at August 30, 2011 08:09 AM (5H6zj)
Posted by: lolpolar bear stroking his AK-47 at August 30, 2011 08:10 AM (OK/vv)
Posted by: joe biden at August 30, 2011 08:10 AM (IpiZb)
Posted by: Curmudgeon at August 30, 2011 08:11 AM (ujg0T)
Posted by: nerdygirl at August 30, 2011 08:11 AM (EJlMQ)
On that note, has anyone else noticed the Onion has gone full leftist lately? Not funny in a bitter, let's-do-our-part-to-stop-the-righties way.
Posted by: Michael Rittenhouse at August 30, 2011 08:12 AM (2Oas0)
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 30, 2011 08:12 AM (QF8uk)
Posted by: Tsar Nicholas II at August 30, 2011 08:13 AM (f8XyF)
You know what also causes stress for children?
Stalkers who are free to roam the streets even though they are registered sex offenders and convicted pedos.
Posted by: soothie at August 30, 2011 08:13 AM (sqkOB)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at August 30, 2011 08:14 AM (IpiZb)
On that note, has anyone else noticed the Onion has gone full leftist lately? Not funny in a bitter, let's-do-our-part-to-stop-the-righties way.
The Stephen Colbert / Jon Stewart trajectory.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at August 30, 2011 08:14 AM (ujg0T)
Threadjack:
SPencer has a new screed with some more "evidence" that Ace was wrong on the Perry/muslim thing and he points out that him and leatherteats were right all along.
Return to your normal posting.
Posted by: Dick Nixon at August 30, 2011 08:14 AM (kaOJx)
Toss the meds, dudes.
Posted by: jeanne at August 30, 2011 08:14 AM (GdalM)
Posted by: Cricket at August 30, 2011 08:15 AM (DrC22)
Posted by: eleven at August 30, 2011 08:15 AM (7DB+a)
Posted by: nerdygirl at August 30, 2011 08:15 AM (EJlMQ)
Cheney will be on Rush at 1pm eastern.
Cheney is cool. That's one thing Andi got right, back when he was reasonable. Cheney = cool.
Posted by: jeanne at August 30, 2011 08:16 AM (GdalM)
Posted by: Keith Arnold at August 30, 2011 08:16 AM (Jdtsu)
Second: This may be the stupidest crap I've heard in... a couple of minutes, at least. This is still attempting to link natural disasters with Global Cooling Warming Cooling Climate Change, er Disruption. Something for which there is little or no evidence (remember class, Correlation != Causation, and we don't even have very much correlation).
Of course people will be "traumatized" by natural disasters. There is no shame in needing help getting through the tragedy of losing your home, or loved ones, or whatever.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at August 30, 2011 08:16 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at August 30, 2011 08:16 AM (IpiZb)
Children also get pretty freaked out by asshole adults stoking their fears.
One wonders if the Nuclear Winter scare children of the 1980s became the Global Warming scare parents of today.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at August 30, 2011 08:17 AM (ujg0T)
Posted by: Roy at August 30, 2011 08:17 AM (VndSC)
And for just pennies-a-day you can help these children afflicted by Climatosistm.
Send your donation to:
Nancy Pelosi & Barack Obama
Washington, DC
Posted by: soothie at August 30, 2011 08:18 AM (sqkOB)
Posted by: eleven at August 30, 2011 08:18 AM (7DB+a)
Besides, at least in the old version you had the occasional excuse to speak with nubile young women "in service to the Gods." Now you get Hillary Clinton. Or Nancy Pelosi. Yech.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at August 30, 2011 08:18 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Y-not at August 30, 2011 08:19 AM (5H6zj)
As for those flakes accusing Perry of being a dhimmi, I hope ace (and the morons) ignore them. I plan on doing so.
If that's all they got.....they got nothin.
Posted by: eleven at August 30, 2011 08:20 AM (7DB+a)
And for just pennies-a-day you can help these children afflicted by Climatosistm.
Send your donation to:
Nancy Pelosi & Barack Obama
Washington, DC
For the EcoLeftChurch, it is the new Indulgence Selling.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at August 30, 2011 08:21 AM (ujg0T)
Climate Change caused the old Covered Bridge by my cousin Frances Clogginstein-Smith's farmhouse to get washed away. It was very sad. But, her community is going to rebuild it with love.
Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, VT at August 30, 2011 08:22 AM (VndSC)
Posted by: Barack Obama at August 30, 2011 08:23 AM (Xm1aB)
So I was thinking, "That makes sense. If someone moves to a place with a different climate, there may be mental and psychological effects correlating to the change in that person's climate."
But no. I was projecting my own relative sanity onto people who have none.
Posted by: FireHorse at August 30, 2011 08:23 AM (RZRz9)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at August 30, 2011 08:23 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Al Gore at August 30, 2011 08:24 AM (O/onO)
Posted by: Jean at August 30, 2011 08:24 AM (WkuV6)
It helps if you pretend to believe that. It will make you less likely to have your own mental illness.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at August 30, 2011 08:24 AM (8y9MW)
Ramadan is a quintessentially American Holiday.
And Barack Obama is NOT a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure.
That is all.
Posted by: I'm Joe Biden at August 30, 2011 08:25 AM (0tRzD)
And by children, I mean Chinese and Muslim children.
A slight fix--This is the Left, don't you know.....
Posted by: Curmudgeon at August 30, 2011 08:25 AM (ujg0T)
Posted by: Col. Nathan Jessup at August 30, 2011 08:26 AM (vzFJV)
You know what else is stressful for everyone, especially poor people?
Being unemployed.
Part of this global warming crap is to provide a smokescreen while the Left destroys the economy and puts more people of food stamps.
Posted by: soothie at August 30, 2011 08:26 AM (sqkOB)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 30, 2011 08:26 AM (bxiXv)
1. This study says 'over the last 15 years', but warming has platued and there has NOT been any significant increase... except in warmist alarmist rhetoric.
2. Yes, the 'Global Warming' meme has caused mental illness... as there is now a large subsection of the population which now blames EVERYTHING on a mythical event.. they no longer blame God, or Luck, or Fate, or Joss... now they can blame Global Warming for what were once called 'Acts of God', or what is explained by the coherent, as Shit Happens...
Posted by: Romeo13 at August 30, 2011 08:27 AM (NtXW4)
Ace, I think you may have missed the lede of ArthurK's link.
3/4 of a watt is best described as noise to the 1,000 watt signal. Moreover, if CERN is on to something, slight variances might easily account for the 3/4 watt differential.
Posted by: Kevin in ABQ at August 30, 2011 08:27 AM (BvTwT)
Posted by: sTevo at August 30, 2011 08:27 AM (uIz80)
Posted by: KinleyArdal at August 30, 2011 08:28 AM (UqEha)
Leftists realize that the whole "climate is going to kill us" meme is their last chance to take control over the rest of us. They've more or less successfully taken over Europe, but the US is full of bitter clingers who aren't going quietly into that good night of feudalism and poverty.
I don't care how many names Al Gore calls me, he's a fat pompous a** so let the name calling begin.
Posted by: Boots at August 30, 2011 08:28 AM (neKzn)
Posted by: Roy at August 30, 2011 08:29 AM (VndSC)
Posted by: Fred at August 30, 2011 08:30 AM (lkI+s)
Global warming doesn't cause mental illness. Al Gore causes mental illness.
Posted by: Trimegistus at August 30, 2011 08:31 AM (9RzZV)
As many as one in five people reported ''emotional injury, stress and despair'' in the wake of these events.
All were self-described as liberal progressives feeling the pain of others. In other news, 11 out of 10 employed workers think progressives are idiots, but I digress. Back to reality,already in progress.....
Posted by: KellyFromMesquite at August 30, 2011 08:32 AM (cQhQZ)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at August 30, 2011 08:33 AM (8y9MW)
I get amped up just thinking about it.
Posted by: I'm in a New York state of mind at August 30, 2011 08:34 AM (4sQwu)
In further news, 11 out of 10 workers, not actually employed.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at August 30, 2011 08:34 AM (8y9MW)
Green Energy can make us live longer, healthier lives.
No more stress. Cleaner air to breath. Fresh water to drink. No more unfair subsidies for Big Oil.
Posted by: soothie at August 30, 2011 08:35 AM (sqkOB)
So that settles it then.http://http://tinyurl.com/f4xnr
Posted by: TheLastPolarBear at August 30, 2011 08:35 AM (1wgaP)
Posted by: dfbaskwill at August 30, 2011 08:36 AM (ndlFj)
Posted by: Heorot at August 30, 2011 08:36 AM (Nq/UF)
Posted by: t-bird at August 30, 2011 08:37 AM (FcR7P)
Posted by: The Great Satan's Ghost at August 30, 2011 08:37 AM (UrPTC)
Posted by: t-bird at August 30, 2011 12:37 PM (FcR7P)
It does more and more look like a religion to me...
ie, somthing you believe in due to Faith, not scientific proof...
The coming months will be interesting, because whenever you really challenge someones who has faith, things can get very very ugly.
Posted by: Romeo13 at August 30, 2011 08:39 AM (NtXW4)
Posted by: Van Jones at August 30, 2011 08:39 AM (4136b)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at August 30, 2011 08:40 AM (0yt4x)
Posted by: Jean at August 30, 2011 08:40 AM (WkuV6)
Posted by: Ma Bell at August 30, 2011 08:40 AM (H/MnC)
Consumer Confidence Hits New Low!
/show pic of Obama shirtless on beach; cue Go-Gos ♪ Vacation, all I ever wanted
Posted by: Mental Video Montage at August 30, 2011 08:40 AM (sqkOB)
Global warming made those amber stains on young Obama's underwear. You, know, the stains that smelt of his father.
Posted by: Havedash at August 30, 2011 08:41 AM (sFD5n)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 30, 2011 08:42 AM (bxiXv)
Posted by: President Dick "Dick" Obama at August 30, 2011 08:42 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Buffalobob at August 30, 2011 08:42 AM (vjyVi)
Posted by: Lemmiwinks at August 30, 2011 08:43 AM (pdRb1)
Show of hands, who thinks that'll feed me faster than running to Chick-fil-A?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at August 30, 2011 08:43 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at August 30, 2011 12:40 PM (0yt4x)
Otherwise known as, Rick Perry, bitches!
Posted by: Havedash at August 30, 2011 08:43 AM (sFD5n)
Posted by: Berserker at August 30, 2011 08:44 AM (FMbng)
Wasn't there a study a few years ago showing that mutli-culturalism causes a loss of social cohesion? Somehow I don't remember any hysterical efforts to stamp that out.
For the Demunists, that is a feature, not a bug. Less cohesion = more victim groups, more atomized society, more statism.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at August 30, 2011 08:45 AM (ujg0T)
Posted by: Lemmiwinks at August 30, 2011 08:45 AM (pdRb1)
Posted by: joeindc44 at August 30, 2011 08:45 AM (QxSug)
Is that like Danny receiving radio stations on his braces on the Partridge Family?
Posted by: Paris Paramus at August 30, 2011 08:46 AM (cdCC7)
It shows that one in 10 primary school children reported symptoms of post-traumatic stress disorder in the wake of cyclone Larry in 2006. More than one in 10 reported symptoms more than three months after the cyclone.
Well, obviously this is because of AGW. We all know that, if not for the negative effects of AGW, it's impossible that young children would be traumatized by seeing their communities destroyed and their fellow Aussies displaced as a result of the largest tropical cyclone to affect Queensland in almost a century, which was broadcast on twenty-four hour TV news channels in a seemingly neverending loop.
Nothing traumatizing at all about that for primary school children. Nope. Zip.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at August 30, 2011 08:46 AM (4df7R)
What? You didn't expect he'd actually ride on buses across the country where he might have to stop for gas and *gasp* interact with audiences other than those hand-picked for each venue, did you?
I wonder who got fired for letting that Tea Party guy get close enough to ask SCOAMFOTUS a question.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at August 30, 2011 08:46 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: soothie at August 30, 2011 12:36 PM (sqkOB)
Do not taunt Green Energy...
Posted by: Nighthawk at August 30, 2011 08:46 AM (OtQXp)
Posted by: TheLastPolarBear at August 30, 2011 08:46 AM (1wgaP)
Well ,Washington DC is safe, there are no men there.
Posted by: Berserker at August 30, 2011 08:47 AM (FMbng)
Well... thinkin on this a bit..
I can categoricaly say that the latest findings on Global Warming WILL cause great stress and mental illness...
As so many scientists see their Gravy Train of funding go away, and their reputations go in the crap'r from all the shit they have been writing for the last 15 years.
Loosing both you livleyhood, and proffesional rep as a scientists, is very stressful.
Posted by: Romeo13 at August 30, 2011 08:47 AM (NtXW4)
Posted by: Hesperado at August 30, 2011 08:48 AM (Ciqqk)
As with the plaintiff's lawyers in Texas (crying over Loser Pays), I find that I can bear their pain with great fortitude.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at August 30, 2011 08:48 AM (8y9MW)
or you could just FOAD. there is that option
Posted by: The Great Satan's Ghost at August 30, 2011 08:49 AM (UrPTC)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 30, 2011 08:49 AM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Michael Rittenhouse at August 30, 2011 12:12 PM (2Oas0)
Sign of things to come.
The 2012 election cycle has barely started. Once we get a little more into election season, expect to see the unexpected.
Honestly, I think large masses of people will become unhinged this next year over politics.
Posted by: dan-O at August 30, 2011 08:49 AM (BAjNF)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 30, 2011 08:51 AM (bxiXv)
Just heard the most hilarious Jay Carney soundbyte on Rush. A reporter asked during the White House press briefing if the SCOAMF was worried that he might be primaried for the 2012 nomination (I LOVE that this question came up). And Carney's response was:
"The President isn't focused on any election-"
And after that I couldn't hear anything because I was laughing so. Damn. HARD.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at August 30, 2011 08:52 AM (4df7R)
Sure. Here's a point-by-point refutation.
**Warthog: I'm taking back some more swear ration**
Fuck off. Take your nonsense elsewhere you pathetic skidmark.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at August 30, 2011 08:53 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 30, 2011 08:53 AM (bxiXv)
Now its 2011, and to my absolute horror, Solar still hasn't matured very much, but its being sold as the power of the future.. still.
Yeah, maybe in 100 years I guess, but they still haven't figured out a reasonable way to store the energy for solar, or the power lines to transfer it. Battery tech they are using to 'buffer' solar energy while its overcast/night are no better than the batteries in your laptop.. just bigger.
Enough with the solar crap!! Imagine how much grant $$$ has been wasted on grad students or professors doing 'research' on solar? It could be approaching 500 billion maybe? or more over the last 35 years
Really whats the point? Its not cheaper. It had no advantages. WHY TELL ME
Posted by: Billy Barty at August 30, 2011 08:54 AM (Tv6z3)
A thought experiment to dispel the notion that investing in green/alternative energy is worthwhile.
Let's say you were as wealthy as Warren Buffet. You had billions in cash that you wanted to invest.
How much would you invest in green/alternative energy?
Posted by: fruit soothie at August 30, 2011 08:55 AM (sqkOB)
Just heard it on Rush.
Goddammit.
Posted by: Deathknyte at August 30, 2011 12:44 PM (VwUPm)
If the GOP doesn't include this in a commercial, then they deserve to lose in 2012! Of course, the Rovians might think bringing something like this to citizen's attention would set the wrong tone, appear too critical, or sound racist.
Posted by: Havedash at August 30, 2011 08:55 AM (sFD5n)
Posted by: mpfs, TPT at August 30, 2011 08:55 AM (iYbLN)
or:
If windmills and solar panels are so damn good, why aren't entrapeneurs and investment bankers jumping into these industries now before the rush?
Posted by: fruit soothie at August 30, 2011 08:56 AM (sqkOB)
Honestly, I think large masses of people will become unhinged this next year over politics.
Will the Commiecrats engage in low level terrorism (e.g., "Earth First!" and EcoLibFront terrorists, New Black Panther Party and Raza Reconquista Traitors, ACORN and ANSWER)? Or couldn't they just go commit mass suicide and make the nation better?
Posted by: Curmudgeon at August 30, 2011 08:57 AM (ujg0T)
Yes, but do we deserve to have them lose in 2012? I'm not a big fan of the GOP, but consider getting the SCOAMF and all his minions reactivated for 4 more years with no re-election to worry about, and I start thinking about getting an elephant tattooed on my ass.
Posted by: Sort-Of-Mad Max at August 30, 2011 08:58 AM (2PTT7)
The first airline.
Was it government-owned and operated?
Why not?
And now tell me why the government should build and operate a high speed rail system? If high-speed rail is "the future" of travel, why aren't private investors seizing the opportunity?
Posted by: fruit soothie at August 30, 2011 08:58 AM (sqkOB)
Posted by: dogfish at August 30, 2011 08:59 AM (NuPNl)
Clearly, the Texas heat has driven him insane and he cuddles Muslims occasionally, for this we must forgive him.
Posted by: Jean at August 30, 2011 09:00 AM (WkuV6)
We begin finding our men. We found them sometimes without their skins... And sometimes, much, much worse. "El cazador trofeo de los hombres" means the demon who makes trophies of men stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.
FIFY.
Posted by: KellyFromMesquite at August 30, 2011 09:02 AM (cQhQZ)
Posted by: al-Cicero, Tea Party Jihadist at August 30, 2011 09:04 AM (QKKT0)
Stand back for the love of god! He has a rotten brain!
Posted by: Frederick Frankenstein at August 30, 2011 09:06 AM (4136b)
Posted by: Al "Manbearpig" Gore aka the Goracle. at August 30, 2011 09:07 AM (vYB+W)
Honestly, I think large masses of people will become unhinged this next year over politics.
I thought the TEA Party already did, I'm waiting for the NRA to step out myself.
Posted by: Jean at August 30, 2011 09:10 AM (WkuV6)
cyclone Larry was the first reported cyclone in the history of Australia.
The data indicates that future cyclones Moe and Curly will be of a much greater magnitude and futute cyclone Shemp will be a miserable bust.
Posted by: kj at August 30, 2011 09:11 AM (Pzadr)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 30, 2011 09:17 AM (bxiXv)
Think that might have something to do with it?
a**holes.
Posted by: Gordon at August 30, 2011 09:27 AM (8AApX)
Problem is, they are seriously interested in me and, more specifically, my wallet.
Posted by: DocJ at August 30, 2011 09:29 AM (g8ibn)
This certainly explains the crazy voting patterns in Florida.
Millions of retirees have move from the colder Northern states to the warmer Southern states, in the process seeing their average daily temperature go up by more than 10 degrees ... and every one of them has gone fucking crazy.
Posted by: hyperbolicKOS at August 30, 2011 09:34 AM (Cxl7g)
"Crazy From the Heat" -- better title than Climate of Whatzit
So how long until they link climate induced insanity to the "craziness" of the Tea Party and start shipping partiers to cooler climes, say....Siberia?
Posted by: 29Victor at August 30, 2011 09:54 AM (ES9R7)
Posted by: Evil Libertarian at August 30, 2011 11:11 AM (8z8uV)
Posted by: Chicagorefugee at August 30, 2011 01:38 PM (gsA97)
I don't doubt it, given that there are whole careers devoted to not only making us afraid of everything, but also a whole new type of therapy: ecopsychology, which is designed to treat the illnesses thus created.
It seeks to help people who are depressed and angry that their own species is destroying the planet, and more--it seeks to help them by teaching them to move beyond protest, and into direct action as part of "getting better".
The "Ishmael" books that influenced the Discovery Channel guy are part of the ecopsych movement.
Seriously, look it up.
Posted by: barbarausa at August 30, 2011 02:39 PM (gRgC6)
Shit. I was going to write something witty and urbane, but... shit.
Posted by: Cooter at August 30, 2011 03:51 PM (h2/5o)
We couldn't talk about 9/11 for the first nine years because it was too "fresh" and the wounds were too "raw." Now we can't talk about 9/11 because it is old news.
Ten years ago and I can still see it.
Posted by: Cooter at August 30, 2011 03:58 PM (h2/5o)
Posted by: Acceptable Loss AudioBook at August 30, 2011 05:01 PM (TiSe5)
Posted by: Skepteng at August 30, 2011 09:16 PM (lcN0u)
"It's 0.1 degrees warmer this August then it was in August 15 years ago. Life makes no sense anymore."
Brilliant, Ace. Just brilliant.
Posted by: theCork at August 31, 2011 01:00 AM (kK07X)
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