Posted by: Fish the Impaler at April 02, 2011 11:59 AM (ZHsNw)

The proper thing is to burn ten Korans for each casualty inflicted by Muslim murderers

>> No, the proper thing is to burn 10 muslims for each casualty inflicted by Muslim murderers.  But we'll never get that hardcore, so I'll settle for burning their stupid book

Flaming Korans don't kill people,

Arab animals kill people.

Posted by: Johnny at April 02, 2011 12:25 PM (mhmc7)

I saw what you did there. Heh.

I am not sure i understand this.

We are bombing and shooting muslims in afghanistan and 4 or 5 other countries and they get pissed off because we burned a book?

I don't think so.

Ace. Spot on post. 

The MSM's triangulating the debate around this abberant action performed by Jones is a red herring.  A red herring foisted inside a reality where jihad is real and threaded throughout the muslim religion on a global scale.  A religion that responds to perceived blasphemy with killing is anathema to a sound religion and runs against the moral nature of man.

The debate being proferred in re. Jones inside the MSM is a false one as the broader implication is the fact that we are dealing with a culuture whose religion is ubiqutous in its immoral actions; actions supposedly at justification through a religious authority.  

Posted by: robtr at April 02, 2011 12:32 PM (MtwBb)

< Word. 

And it has become the lighting rod directing blame away from Obama.

Posted by: shibumi at April 02, 2011 12:32 PM (OKZrE)

Solution: burn everything and read the Book of Moroni..

Totally makes sense to kill un affiliated strangers because someone thousands of miles away Insulted burned a koran.

I think the Pastor was silly, but He has the right to be a dope. Cold day in hell when i submit to their Insult Laws!

and no i won't burn a koran, i'd have to buy one first , and i wouldn't pay good money for a book on How To Murder Others! without remorse!

Not to blow my own horn, but I tried to warn people years ago that the only safe course of action is to get rid of all the printed Qurans in existence.  Carefully carry them with gloved hands to a merchant vessel and ship them back to Saudi Arabia where they belong.  At a certain creepy Stalinist blog years ago I mentioned new insurance regulations and special rules for handling were sure to be necessary -- so it's simply not safe to have a printed Quran anywhere.  What other consumer product kills 10-150 people every time the media covers its breakage?

Should Jones have burned that Koran?

I'm past suggesting what other people should do. Yet I'm also wondering when anything needlessly hurtful ever resulted in anything good.

How did we get gulled into accepting that islam is a religion in the first place?  It's not.  It's a violent political movement with an attendant mythology loosely based upon the Judeo-Christian tradition.

Declare islam "not a religion" and raid and tax the fuck out of every mosque in America.

I drew a cartoon picture of Mohammed blowing Senator Larry Craig in a Minneapolis airport men's room stall.

Where should I mail my head?

1 other thing I would LOVE a moderate Muslim to explain to Me why they are not UP in Arms against these that HIJACK their religion Making them ALL look bad?

because I'm starting to be a concerned citizen that There aren't many Moderates around. I would love to see Demonstration from sea to shining sea saying Not In Our Name!

why haven't we?

Where should I mail my head?

To Brad Pitt and Morgan Freeman?

1 other thing I would LOVE a moderate Muslim to explain to Me why they are not UP in Arms against these that HIJACK their religion Making them ALL look bad?

Because a decent amount of them aren't up in arms, and the rest are just as scared of the lunatics.

First off: Not that anyone has said otherwise, but burning books and banning books are two different things.

Secondly, people have some of this backwards.  The murders in the Afghanistan protests actually serve to validate the pastor's actions.  This violence seems to prove the pastor's point about the Koran.   

And is it possible that this concern over the supposedly increased danger to our troops from offended moderate Muslims is over-wrought?  Don't such concerns actually have a tendency to undermind the military's efforts overall?

Posted by: BumperStickerist at April 02, 2011 12:39 PM (h6mPj)

Well, so do I, but that hardly makes me an extremist like Farrakhan, goat piss be upon him.

Folks, what you see here IS the Cultural War that is being waged against the West.

Freedom of Speech, AND Religion, is under attack, and our own media and some governments are caving to those who want to limit our Freedoms and Rights.

Personally, I think we shold have a worldwide campaign of Koran burning, and multiple Cartoons of Moh every day... let them riot... its like a kid with a tantrum, let them yell and scream until tired... evtualy they will stop...

"Hey... Moh... did you hear they burned another 10,000 Korans today? Lets riot!"

"Crap dude... we did that yesterday, and the day before... the wife is getting pissed at me not going to work..."

Posted by: TexasJew at April 02, 2011 12:42 PM (QK1rf)

So, why can't we freeze all of them?

Why don't we all get together and rip out the violent verses of the Koran and burn them?

The point would be made and the libs would be hard pressed to find fault.

Barack Obama's rules of engagement have killed more American troops than all the burned Korans in this history of the country.

In a way, it's amusing to watch one idiot get a buch of other idiots all riled up enough to kill a few of their fellow idiots.

But then again, I'm rather easily amused.

Why don't we all get together and rip out the violent verses of the Koran and burn them?

The point would be made and the libs would be hard pressed to find fault.

Posted by: lauren at April 02, 2011 12:44 PM (nNsNr)

That would leave us with a possible Jefferson Quran.  It would be a very confusing quick read.  

Because a decent amount of them aren't up in arms, and the rest are just as scared of the lunatics.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at April 02, 2011 12:40 PM (zgZzy)

It's dificult why any sensible humanity liking person would want themselves or their children affiliated with such a religion. Personally i would want to distance myself from the herd of murderous thugs.

eman, you make a keen comment. This is a religion that is fused in society at law and custom and pervades everything and it is being exported.  The truth of the matter is the uncontroverted fact that it is being spread and emanates from hate.  That is the irony here.  A religion that in large quantities is being practiced by energizing hateful precepts in order to draw internal cohesion against an external threat.  And that threat of course is the West.  Wahabism preaches hate and it is occuring in Saudi Arabia and around the world and it's a reality not xenophobia or anything else.

Why don't we all get together and rip out the violent verses of the Koran and burn them?

The point would be made and the libs would be hard pressed to find fault.

Posted by: lauren at April 02, 2011 12:44 PM (nNsNr)

Have you read it? There wouldn't be a whole lot left. It isn't just the verses that seem violent to you and me, the imams have made ALL the verses support their "jihad."

Posted by: TexasJew at April 02, 2011 12:42 PM (QK1rf)

So, why can't we freeze all of them?

Posted by: tcn at April 02, 2011 12:43 PM (QuGK2)

That's the only one ever found. Saves on ice cubes....

"I'm past suggesting what other people should do. Yet I'm also wondering when anything needlessly hurtful ever resulted in anything good."

A proportionate response is not "needlessly hurtful".  Killing people in response to the burning of one book is needlessly hurtful.

You could burn a thousand Bibles and it would not hurt the Bible.  The Bible would be more damaged if its followers killed people in response to Its burning.

It's dificult why any sensible humanity liking person would want themselves or their children affiliated with such a religion. Personally i would want to distance myself from the herd of murderous thugs.

As would I.

"Have you read it? There wouldn't be a whole lot left. It isn't just the verses that seem violent to you and me, the imams have made ALL the verses support their "jihad.""

Oh, I know. But the point would be to point out the really obvious verses to the general public.  Let the Muslims explain why the "verse of the sword" shouldn't be burned.

and no i won't burn a koran, i'd have to buy one first , and i wouldn't pay good money for a book on How To Murder Others! without remorse!

Posted by: willow at April 02, 2011 12:35 PM (h+qn

At a fair in my South Central LA neighborhood, some mosque had set up a booth.  The guy there (an Arab Muslim, not a Nation of Islam sort) was giving copies of the Koran away, so I got one--know your enemy and all. 

Interesting how he gave it to me:  put it in a zip-lock bag and handed it to me.  The way they treat Korans in the worst sort of idolatry, but so is worshiping a meteor.

57 Remember the riots and murders by Christians when Muslims defiled the Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem?

Remember the Ground Zero Mosque?  Yeah, pretty sure they're still building that.

"He shouldn't have publicly burned someone's holy book, its an unChristian, uncharitable act of contempt and disrespect."

I seem to remember God demanding all sorts of Idols destroyed. How is this different?

Posted by: tcn at April 02, 2011 12:45 PM (QuGK2)

Bottom line in the book is that "struggling in Allah's Cause" (Jihaaaad!) is the highest aspiration and that dying in jihad gets you the Paradise Penthouse.  Unfortunately it's not spin.  The life of Mo bears out the imams' takes for 1200ish years.   (When the people after Muhammed collected -- and wrote -- the Quran.)

I seem to remember God demanding all sorts of Idols destroyed. How is this different?

Hey!  I'm right here!

Ace and company.  If I were to form a government, I would put you all in charge. You all are some of the most insightful and well educated folks I have ever had the honor of communicating with.

And this isn't some snark I'm trying to foist here either. I mean it.

It gives me hope.

What is this mythical Moderate Muslim?

Do they kill you before they cut your head off?

Posted by: lauren at April 02, 2011 12:48 PM (nNsNr)

Because now they all have to murder you.  And that's really incovenient and gets in the way of interfaith outreach (aka dawah for the naji kufr).  

Alternate plan:

Put a hot girl in a burka.  Write offensive verses on her body. Let her strip and expose the verses.

Boy, think of how much more death and destruction Mohammed Atta would have caused if we had been selling pictures of Mohammed on toilet paper?

Boy, we really dodged that bullet..

Posted by: BumperStickerist at April 02, 2011 12:50 PM (h6mPj)

Dunno about Ace or "respectable" established bloggers, but I'll bet some fledgling blog would get all kinds of attention.  Great idea.  And you could put a clip on YouTube.  That would remain for about 15 minutes.

What is this mythical Moderate Muslim?

Do they kill you before they cut your head off?

Posted by: Radiant at April 02, 2011 12:51 PM (dQdrY)

No...they give you some tasty 9/11 candy before they cut your head off..

Posted by: Beagle at April 02, 2011 12:51 PM (sOtz/)

Hey, watch your language. There are moronettes present.

Posted by: low calorie soothsayer at April 02, 2011 12:53 PM (uFokq)

Don't ever go on the ONT.

And that makes them "uncomfortable."

I wonder how "uncomfortable" Daniel Pearl was while he was being beheaded?

"No...they give you some tasty 9/11 candy before they cut your head off.."

Is that kind of like the candy they hand out when one of their heros slaughters a sleeping family?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 02, 2011 12:47 PM (61b7k)

"Thou shalt not buy the text of the religion of 'peace' and burn it."

Nope, don't remember that one.  Got chapter and verse?

Posted by: shibumi at April 02, 2011 12:53 PM (OKZrE)

Nah, they're all sitting around waiting for the militant ones to take over so they can reap the jizzya.

Somebody organized and instigated these murders. It sure as hell wasn't a spur of the moment outrage.

*cough* CAIR *cough*

Is that kind of like the candy they hand out when one of their heros slaughters a sleeping family?

Posted by: lauren at April 02, 2011 12:56 PM (nNsNr)

Yes, they just change the wrapper..

we have our book and they have theirs........  

i might suggest both sides read.

FEAR & LOATHING IN LAS VEGAS

Posted by: Terry Jones Broke Brother at April 02, 2011 12:27 PM (3eTJD)

Well, that is the very same as stealing them and burning them.

What's more terrible, the burning of korans or the inability of Americans to exercise their free speech rights for fear of retaliation because their government is unwilling to protect them from the extremists?

Political correctness: destroying America.

My dog ate my one of my Torah's a few moneths back, You know what happened to the dog right?

i yelled at her and cried. She still has a head!

well you know what they say.

Build a Muslim a fire and keep him warm for a day.

Set a Muslim on fire and keep him warm the rest of his life.

Mohammed, as usual, mixed the idea of an ingrained political system in Judaism (though mohammed dispensed with the idea of the system being limited, as was Judaism) with the proselytization of Christianity (which had no political system, at all, in it) to come up with the real toxic political brew of islam.

Posted by: iknowtheleft at April 02, 2011 12:59 PM (G/MYk)

That, and the pedophilia.

Let the Muslims explain why the "verse of the sword" shouldn't be burned.

Oooh, that would be all kinds of fun to watch. Popcorn and pudding worthy.

While I don't agree with Pastor Jones' actions, he did manage to point out the violent immaturity of the adherents of the Religion of Pieces. Islam is the exact polar-opposite of Christianity. Notice that all recent converts to islam mouth the exact same bullshit and follow the same pattern, like changing their last name to reflect their hatred for their own family (something I'm certain is bound to piss off their Grandma). It's clear that they've been brainwashed.

We do our best to practice and teach Love for our fellow man.

Them, not so much.

That, and the pedophilia.

I hereby declare myself an honorary Muslim!

i yelled at her and cried. She still has a head!

Posted by: willow at April 02, 2011 01:00 PM (h+qn

But is she standing on one foot?

(Obscure Hillel reference)

I seem to remember God demanding all sorts of Idols destroyed. How is this different?

Posted by: lauren at April 02, 2011 12:49 PM (nNsNr)

Thank you.  Also, I seem to remember reading that when some of the Muslim's forebears captured the Ark of the Covenant at set it up in the temple of their idols, they came back to find that their idols were flat on their faces.  And let's not mention the crotch tumors...

Posted by: kansas at April 02, 2011 01:03 PM (mka2b)

That, and he's a JEF and a complete blathering idiot.

Posted by: Robert Maplesyrup at April 02, 2011 01:03 PM (rMMMP)

Woman peeing on Koran.  No.  Woman getting laid on Koran!  NO!  Woman having threesome on Koran!!  NO, WAIT!!

Two girls.  One cup.  One Koran.

Where was again that the Taliban destroyed those buddhas that were carved into a cliff thousands of years ago?

Oh I remember, Afghanistan right?

I loved that portion Hillel , knew to love. and do.

his explanation is wonderful. i need coffee i can't type.(or think)

Moderate Muslims? 

They live in a cave down the way.

Posted by: low calorie soothsayer at April 02, 2011 01:08 PM (uFokq)

You better be married or you'll get stoned to death?

Posted by: eman: Japanese Babe Rescue Team at April 02, 2011 01:06 PM (1ZnTv)

THIS is why Islam has so many issues. Testosterone poisoning.

Christianity makes clear that men and women are co-equal. A man mitigates a woman's tendency to mother everything, regardless of sensible protections, and a woman mitigates a man needing to whack everything in his path.

This doesn't happen in the religion of pieces. THAT is a major source of the lack of intelligence in the Koran.

Where was again that the Taliban destroyed those buddhas that were carved into a cliff thousands of years ago?

Oh I remember, Afghanistan right?

Posted by: robtr at April 02, 2011 01:06 PM (MtwBb)

now that was wrong..............  i didnt like that at all.................still pissed about it.

Some enterprising moron could probably make a mint by selling a Koran/Bic lighter combo. I can see the late night TV ad now: and if you act now, we'll *double* your order!

Build a Muslim a fire and keep him warm for a day.

Set a Muslim on fire and keep him warm the rest of his life.

Posted by: DngrMse at April 02, 2011 01:08 PM (aaW0M)

So I guess you are responsible for 9/11, huh?  Coward.

"while he himself would have no more stressful an evening than deciding between Dancing With The Stars, or House. "

I think he knows full well that he has put himself in danger. In fact, I know that he knows full well that he has put himself in danger because he's had visits from the CIA telling him as much.

There's a reason Penn Jillette won't touch Islam.

There's a reason Penn Jillette won't touch Islam Teller.

FTFY

In this three sided combat, how do we explain the behavior of the 'progressives'? This article may help explain it:

Title: 'Mathematicians say religion heading toward extinction'

"...census data suggests that organized religion is heading for extinction in nine western democracies . . .The study is the result of census data dating as far back as a century from countries whose census asks respondents about their religious affiliation, namely, Australia, Austria, Canada, the Czech Republic, Finland, Ireland, the Netherlands, New Zealand and Switzerland."

Alternate plan:

Put a hot girl in a burka.  Write offensive verses on her body. Let her strip and expose the verses. 

Posted by: lauren at April 02, 2011 12:52 PM (nNsNr)

Hmmm?  Any Dutch directors up for a stabbing - partial beheading on a city street?

Some enterprising moron could probably make a mint by selling a Koran/Bic lighter combo. I can see the late night TV ad now: and if you act now, we'll *double* your order!

Posted by: Anachronda at April 02, 2011 01:10 PM (6fER6)

The same case could be made for selling exploding, napalm-laced U.S. flags in Islamic countries.  Just sayin'

I still think our military should dip their rounds in pork fat/blood before locking and loading.  And I think we should televise the dipping.

Posted by: DngrMse at April 02, 2011 01:12 PM (aaW0M)

Same logic, idiot.  You fuck off.

Hope he never gets invited to stay in the White House.

He'll wind up like that horse in "The Godfather"

"And he has the CIA, and local law enforcement apprising him of credible threats against his person, while living safe and sound in the U.S. He's in more danger of being run over by a city bus than being beheaded by throngs of angry neck beards."

That's what Theo Van Gogh thought.

dangrmouse, if it's any consolation, I'm sure the Pastor has a fatwa against Him.

Are we to guard our actions , comply to their rules of ideology and religious conduct>? what's to say in the future even mentioning Aisha will get 200 killed in England?

They were just big sand sculptures.  The wind took them down.

Posted by: Taliban spokesman, Shrillary, Barky, Sheriff Joe and the gang at April 02, 2011 01:12 PM (G/MYk)

bull fucking shit............... no it wasnt...................

Alternate plan:

Put a hot girl in a burka.  Write offensive verses on her body. Let her strip and expose the verses.

Posted by: lauren at April 02, 2011 12:52 PM (nNsNr)

Yeah...about that...

Posted by: sTevo at April 02, 2011 01:18 PM (VMcEw)

Well, beating the crap out of protesters at funerals may not be protected, but should certainly be encouraged.

Along with the Koran burning. Maybe the two could be combined, a sort of roast, if you get my drift.

Posted by: real joe at April 02, 2011 01:14 PM (IpIBJ)

THIS!  The original Khartoon Jihad was stirred up by the Danish (?) Imams going to the Middle East with copies of the actual -- and some actually sort-of offensive, but fake and not published -- cartoons to make sure the ummah got sufficiently murderous.   The entire Khartoon Jihad has been a Ulama - Muslim Brotherhood Production^TM.  Back in the good old days, before our One True Established Religion: Islam, that would have been viewed as a big conspiracy to commit murder, RICO.  

Are we to guard our actions , comply to their rules of ideology and religious conduct>? what's to say in the future even mentioning Aisha will get 200 killed in England?

Posted by: willow at April 02, 2011 01:17 PM (h+qn

Careful, he might devastate you with a pithy, original "fuck off."

Because he's not sitting around nice and safe in America exercising the rights and freedoms that make Muslims want to kill people.  Nope, not at all.  That's only idiots like Terry Jones.  The Muslims would spare this idiot, because he's so mindful of Muslim sensibilities.

Idiot.

Posted by: FUBAR at April 02, 2011 01:14 PM (McG46)

That there's the big difference between us and the Mooselimbs: I don't care if a Bible gets burned by one of them. It's just a book. I won't be going on a murderous rampage, and I damn sure ain't gonna let anyone talk me into going on a murderous rampage, I don't care how pissed off they are.

Muzzies are psychologically weak, weak people, subject to the commands and emotions of those who are more powerful in their "religious structure." They cannot think for themselves, which makes an overbearing, angry imam just that more appealing to them, curiously enough.

Repeat with Ace:

"their fetishes should be destroyed, to demonstrate their lack of power."

"Alex at April 02, 2011 01:24 PM (J2ejK)"

Or we could have followed Ann Coulter's plan and "invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity."

Sadly the odds are better that America dies before Islam. Muslims are like cockroaches -- disgusting, vile creatures 

They're Earth's version of Jawas!

Hmmmm...

Koran burned in America... OUTRAGE! Riots! Murders!

Christian Kopt churces attacked by Egyptian Army... people shot... crickets....

Compare/Contrast who is winning the Propoganda war... then add in what Middle Eastern Family now invests in Fox News.

After September 11th, we should have pulled together a small group of philosophers, writers and psychologists at the CIA and developed a new religion.  When we went into Afghanistan, we could have adopted war orphans, raised them up in the new belief system, and trained them to fight back, before we set them loose on the country. 

I'm going to say it here, because I don't want this to ruin your life:  Are you sure you want the government designing a religion?

Posted by: DngrMse at April 02, 2011 01:19 PM (aaW0M)

Last I heard he got his very own fatwa and a 2million $ price on his head by the moderate muslims.

Dip shit.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at April 02, 2011 01:22 PM (d0Tfm)

Those angry, overbearing imams are the same ones that say English translations can't be trusted and street Muslims (like R/C laity past), aren't smart enough to interpret it anyway --   burning unauthorized translations is unauthorized.

Posted by: steevy at April 02, 2011 01:14 PM (Kbowm)

Actually he hates them, too.  He just likes their beliefs.

"Before we get on with the great attack on Tobruk boys, make sure you have the necessary gloves to deal with any Qurans which might block your path.  And, oh yeah, look out for mines and anti-tank guns..."

Posted by: Crazee at April 02, 2011 01:26 PM (xsoRi)

There's a lot of truth to this.  My view is that one of the greatest mistakes the US ever made was to push for the break up of the European empires.  If the entire ME was still controlled by civilized folk none of this bullshit would be going on.  Even the French, Europe's worst colonizers, could run a place better than the Muz.

This, like the moderate Muslim at Roswell, is also a myth.

Sorta like the female orgasm?

OT: Bobby Knight address GOP congress on the budget.

stolen from fr

http://tinyurl.com/2compo

i cannot think of any sensible way to deal with a religions adherants  that finds insult a reason to kill perfect strangers un-related to the insult.

i mean srsly .

it was needlessly hurtful without adding any value to the debate

Of course a crucifix in a jar of urine is art and receives government funding

Posted by: R at April 02, 2011 01:26 PM (lfsVE)

goto the ONT tonight, the Ettes they are full of loving feelings.......  it will be great for you..........full of kindness , loves, and hugs............

i mean srsly .

Excercise your 'Moral Imagination'. 

You can. do. it.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor

Not at all.  The Bible is repleat with accounts of the destruction of idols.  Respect for the Koran is contempt and disrespect for God, not to mention humanity as a whole.

it was needlessly hurtful without adding any value to the debate

Actually I think it did exactly what he wanted it to do. It showed that Muslims were fucking animals.

Problem is that other people paid for his show.

Excommunicated Christians are "apostates". Publicly, that's what Mormon's call their excommunicated, internally referenced as "Sons of Perdition" or doomed Satan's slaves for having "fallen away from the (Mormon) Church" in order to become members of a Catholic, Orthodox, or Protestant Christian Church.

Muslims reference their rejects as "infidels" with the same wrath as Mormons have for those who've left that dogmatic cult requiring blood oaths to be "righteous". Doctrinally based upon their own scriptures, Muslims and Mormons share cultural doctrines that support a theocratic patriarchal civilization that coincidentally embrace polygamy, in principle as well as in practice as a Mormon husband often remarries "for time and all eternity" to a new wife after surviving his late first wife. Consider well what was meant by "I will not abandon the faith of my fathers" spoken by Romney at Texas A&M of his family's polygamous, communist "United Order" history that includes dual US/Mexican citizenship (open borders and amnesty for illegal aliens).

Of course a crucifix in a jar of urine is art and receives government funding

Posted by: kj at April 02, 2011 01:34 PM (P/tet)

Christians do not cut people's heads off.

It is as simple as that.

Since images of Mohammed are forbidden in Islam, what happens if a Muslim reads the Koran and mentally pictures Mohammed doing something? Does he have to blow his own brains out?

Problem is that other people paid for his show.

Posted by: robtr at April 02, 2011 01:36 PM (MtwBb)

You go into the lion cage, you take your chances.

Posted by: DngrMse at April 02, 2011 01:38 PM (aaW0M)

Blame the ROE, not an American exercising his freedom of speech. Why the hell do you think we are there?

Any surrender of our rights to bribe muslims into being less murderuous is a loss.

I, for one am damn tired of individual pastors of small extreme churches being given such credence by ... well, everybody.
The Dove Center, which Terry Jones runs, has a parking lot that holds about thirty cars.
Thirty Cars.
Posted by: BumperStickerist at April 02, 2011 12:34 PM (h6mPj)

Your driveway holds one car.  And your freedom of speech is as dear to right thinking Americans as that of the Dove Center. This is not about Terry Jones, the Dove Center, or even you. It's about a ghastly belief system that wants to control you, Terry Jones, and everybody with the threat of death and pain. My response to your point is, "so what?" Do Islamonazis in another country get to veto the Dove Center's freedoms because they have thirty-one, three hundred, three hundred thousand cars in their parking lot? What else do you think the Dove Center shouldn't be allowed to do because they may upset their sensibilities? Draw cartoons of Mohamad? Drink alcohol? Eat bacon? Apparently, this individual pastor of an extremely small church had the fortitude to exhibit something that you think does not have credence: that this is a cult of death that will lash out if those who don't believe show their beliefs disrespect.  

The Key to NOT burning your Koran is to thoroughly coat it in rendered Bacon Fat, then stuff it inside a Suckling Pig and Roast  at 325 degrees. 

You want to Baste and Turn every 20 minutes to insure against uneven cooking.  Figure on 7-9 minutes per pound.  

I was going to make an automated printing press that fed into a furnace. You could burn fresh Korans all day long while you paint your toes or go out to a yoga class.

OT:

One of the moron bloggers should talk about that fucking liberal movie "Source Code" or maybe throw up the new Captain America trailer.

It is a subtle form of appeasement.  It's not our religion, why should we have to follow it's laws?

Some of my friends were Marines in Desert Storm.  They flipped when they realized they couldn't drink beer at the base.

The more I think about it the more convinced I am that what this Koran burning pastor did was actually a great thing. These muzzie barbarians need to be slapped in the face with some nice Islamic blasphemy and this did it.

I don't. I don't think he is any different than a Imam at a Mosque. They both whip shit into a frenzy and sit back and watch the chaos.

you apologist dickwipe?

Someone talking to me?

Excommunicated Christians are "apostates". Publicly, that's what Mormon's call their excommunicated, internally referenced as "Sons of Perdition" or doomed Satan's slaves for having "fallen away from the (Mormon) Church" in order to become members of a Catholic, Orthodox, or Protestant Christian Church.

In Catholic theology an apostate is a member of the Church who denies his membership, abandons not just the Church but also Christ himself. Excommunicated Catholics are not apostates. They are excommunicated or banned from the Communion of the Church--the sacraments. For example, procuring an abortion materially excommunicates you but does not make you an apostate.

Posted by: by any other name at April 02, 2011 01:36 PM (H+LJc)

Keep talkin' like that and the Donny & Marie hit squad'll be on your doorstep.  You'd do well to stay out of Utah, pilgrim.

You are now forgiven for all of those never-ending deconstructions of movies that are completely unimportant and that I will never see.

Yeah, but you know that Ace is skipping up and down his block wearing a Susquehanna Hat.

(What a hypocrite.)

Sadly, that would probably be even more lucrative than my idea.

Shame I'm not the enterprising sort...

The perfect companion to one's Koran (Q'ran, whatever...)

http://preview. tinyurl.com/24rrl2j

If Obastard's BFF Billy Ayers can proudly and publicly trounce our flag, then I can proudly and publicly burn any damned book I please, as long as it's my own copy.  Somebody doesn't like that?  Tough shit.

the ont was last night............. the ont. standing up proud.

Posted by: DngrMse at April 02, 2011 01:52 PM (aaW0M)

My guesss, Surrender Monkey, is when you think we should all become Moderate Muslims, so we won't anger the killers.

Wouldn't be prudent.

You don't support what the troops are there for. You betray it, in fact.

156The problem I have with Pastor McTorchy Pants is that he burned the koran from a position of safety....knowing full well that other innocent people would likely be killed,

Right, Jones is safe like Salman Rushdie and Geert Wilders is safe.

and while I support his decision to burn the koran, he should have done so in Afghanistan, and put his own cowardly ass on the line. 

That's like arguing the General Petraeus is cowardly because he doesn't walk down the street of the town where the riot/killing took place nude without any arms or escort.

Terry Jones is keeping the true nature of Islam in the public eye.  He's making the point that he should be able to burn a Koran without Muslims acting that way.  

I'm wondering why our troops are supposedly there to defend these people against the Taliban when there isn't a dimes worth of difference between the Afghan in the street and the Taliban.   

I find it interesting how Jones and Muslims are differently treated.

Jones is appealed to like a human being.  People use reason and logic to try to get himi to change his approach.

Muslims are treated like wild dogs, unable to control themselves and who react on instinct.

They always did until the American cultural riots and revolutions of the 1960s when ladies stopped wearing scarfs and hats in public.

Ah, the good ol' days, when women knew their place.  I denounce myself.

"I don't wish to offend moderate Muslims (and, contra some commenters claims -- of course they exist..."

Do you hold the same view of Nazi's?  That there are moderate Nazi's? Remember, not all Germans were Nazi's.  There are Nazi's in America.  There are Nazi's all over the world.  But anyone who refers to themselves as a Nazi is, therefore, a Nazi.  If you met one at a party would you think to yourself "I can't judge this person until I find out how devout a Nazi they are"?

All Muslims are Muslims.  Islam is not a race or nationality or a gender.  Islam is a political philosophy that uses religion as justification for it's existence and goals.  Forget the terrorism and violent history of Islam for a second and just ask yourself if you can respect even the most benign aspects of the philosophy enough to consider anyone attached to it "moderate".

All Muslims believe that the Koran is the last, literal, true word of God and that it is the only Holy text that has never been corrupted by the hand of man.  All Muslims believe Mohammed was God's last messenger and that Islam supercedes all other religions, and that all other religions are an insult and threat to Islam.  Even if a Muslim didn't believe anything else beyond that, and had no intention to work towards Islam's goal of world domination, that belief is still too much for me.  It's no different than a White Supremist who goes to all the meetings and then tells his black neighbors that he's in the KKK but doesn't agree with the "extremists" who wear the robes.

It's no different than a White Supremist who goes to all the meetings and then tells his black neighbors that he's in the KKK but doesn't agree with the "extremists" who wear the robes.

You called?

Well said.

I'm wondering why our troops are supposedly there to defend these people against the Taliban when there isn't a dimes worth of difference between the Afghan in the street and the Taliban.   

Posted by: Speller at April 02, 2011 02:01 PM (J74Py)

For a bunch of fucking morons, there sure are some intelligent questions being asked.

My answer is: Keeping Afganisewerstan relatively free of Islamic psychos with the freedom to attack us here is probably a good idea.

It won't be too difficult to convince me otherwise, but for now, that's it.

Curious has curious friends

and Amishdude is right.

Posted by: R at April 02, 2011 01:26 PM (lfsVE)

my record is 57 clay pigeons. and that was on a good day.

Posted by: by any other name at April 02, 2011 02:10 PM (H+LJc)

"The Hour will not take place until the Muslims fight the Jews, and kill them. And the Jews will hide behind the rock and tree, and the rock and tree will say: oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, this is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!"

-- Typical passage in the Psycho's holy book

Show me any equivalent statement or passage or hint in Mormon theology and maybe I will take you seriously.

Posted by: Greg at April 02, 2011 02:13 PM

It does if we do it Here

330 You people just don't get it. Your freedom of speech right to burn a secular symbol of America (the flag) DOES NOT extend to burning a RELIGIOUS symbol of PEOPLE THROUGHOUT THE WORLD.

Wow, that comment is full of teh stupid.

and Amishdude is right.

Posted by: dagny at April 02, 2011 02:12 PM (Jkhr5)

Thanks, but it would have been more persuasive without the typos and poor grammar.

The point remains that Mormon dogma shares much in common with Muslim culture, though neither would like to admit. Read Joseph Smith's direct revelation from his God translation of an Egyptian pagan burial papyrus that inspired another fanciful "scriptural" tale, Smith's Book of Abraham.

You said Christians and then discussed mormonism. I quibbled with what a Christian, esp a catholic, considers apostasy. The Catholic church doesn't consider mormons christian or unitarians for that matter. I know they believe in Jesus but they do not use the Trinitarian bastismal rite which keeps them from the ecumenical Christian communion. I'm sure the episcopalians are trying to figure out how to get out too.

Posted by: Greg at April 02, 2011 02:13 PM (7+pP9)

Yes, it does. It only stops at my desire to burn you.

Posted by: President Me at April 02, 2011 02:17 PM

As I've always said, let me be clear...

Your freedom of speech right to burn a secular symbol of America (the flag) DOES NOT extend to burning a RELIGIOUS symbol of PEOPLE THROUGHOUT THE WORLD.

Oh, really?  I don't recall seeing where the Constitution specifies the difference between secular and religious objects wrt to burning them.  Maybe under freedom of religion, or, as the atheists insist, freedon from religion??

Btw--but it's Ok to photograph a crucifix standing in a container of urine, and call it "art?"  I don't remember anyone getting killed over that.

Posted by: Greg at April 02, 2011 02:13 PM (7+pP9)

I guess the banhammer has a statute of limitations.

Posted by: Greg at April 02, 2011 02:13 PM (7+pP9)

Sure it does.

It's their reaction that is wrong.

I don't think provoking that reaction to provoke is appropriate but if necessary, fuck 'em.

Posted by: dagny at April 02, 2011 02:17 PM (Jkhr5)

No martinis in heaven, so they don't really care.

~President Me

So you want to nuke Jerusalem?  Why would you do that to Jews and Christians? 

Burning books doesn't make things tougher for our troops.

Bullshit ROE make things tougher for our troops.

Yes, it does. It only stops at my desire to burn you.

Posted by: Radiant at April 02, 2011 02:18 PM (dQdrY)

You can burn him if you want if you're a muslim.

No LGBT senstivity classes martinis in heaven, so they don't really care.

FIFY

Posted by: Greg at April 02, 2011 02:13 PM (7+pP9)

Only I get to play that game, Greg.  

Back to fluffing your 'Uncles'  - Boys like you make a Mom proud.

I guess the banhammer has a statute of limitations.

It's 'Statue'.

Ah, the good ol' days, when women knew their place.  I denounce myself. --Posted by: Wyatt Earp

 Islams asperations in every country is to subject those populations to their fickle Religious and Political objectives, It starts with the use of those populations concerns to be fair, to those populations being Told -demanded to express honor when speaking of it's idealogy, soon Laws are implemented to protect Islam from being unfairly targeted or commented on. See Steyn or Melanie Phillips, Gert  etc..

No way!

(and if it's a sock, not bad...)

330: You people just don't get it. Your freedom of speech right to burn a secular symbol of America (the flag) DOES NOT extend to burning a RELIGIOUS symbol of PEOPLE THROUGHOUT THE WORLD.

Definitely a sock. I comment the effort, too -- but here are the giveaways:

- Perfect spelling and grammar

- The reference to us as "people"

- No calls for violence against Sarah Palin or her children

Your freedom of speech right to burn a secular symbol of America (the flag) DOES NOT extend to burning a RELIGIOUS symbol of PEOPLE THROUGHOUT THE WORLD.

Freedom of speech can be exercised with regard to political speech right?  Well, if I burn a Koran I'm doing it because Islam is a political ideology.  It's a political statement.

It's 'Statue'.

Fine, it's a sculpture of limitations.

You people just don't get it. Your freedom of speech right to burn a secular symbol of America (the flag) DOES NOT extend to burning a RELIGIOUS symbol of PEOPLE THROUGHOUT THE WORLD.

Um, yes it does. I am free to burn a flag, or a book. That someone else would consider a mere book to be a religious object worthy of their adoration and worship has no bearing upon my God-given right to express myself in any non-violent way I see fit.

I even extend this to folks who want to burn a Bible. Go ahead.

Somebody else's beliefs are their beliefs. They are free to follow them. I am free to follow mine. The problem arises when somebody else wishes to impose their beliefs on me. I don't impose my beliefs on anyone else and I will resist any effort by anyone else to impose their beliefs on me.

You are the one who just doesn't get it.

Posted by: Greg at April 02, 2011 02:13 PM (7+pP9)

Greg, i tend to think. you live in the United States......i have no words to say to you................ you are to fucked up for words,,,,,,,

Anyone remember how Greg spelled his name? Greg? Gregg? Dingleberry?

I think it was "Greg."  And bravo on the sockdom.

should a lady wear a scarf today, it's nonsense to denigrate that female as servile because you've determined that the fashion statement of any scarf is unacceptable.

If it's wrapped like a hajib, then she is servile, and I am repulsed by her choice to be servile to that cult who wants to murder or subjugate me and my children.

We already know that these people are animals

Thank you for making my point.

Posted by: DngrMse at April 02, 2011 02:23 PM (aaW0M)

Shouldn't you be retire soon, Sec. Gates?

Gotta give you kudos on being as stubborn as an ass.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at April 02, 2011 02:26 PM (d0Tfm)

Bravo!  (applause)

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at April 02, 2011 02:27 PM (LH6ir)

I was one for 35 years and went to their private schools. The people themselves are the martini drinkers of whom you speak. The leadership are the dangerous ones

While that's historically accurate, the advent of Jesus Christ ushered in a new covenant and era, and God does not tell us to destroy idols any longer, merely shun them.

The Bible is full of instructions on how to be loving, peaceful, respectful, and specifically in the New Testament Paul calls Christians to be peaceable and to do nothing that will give unbelievers cause to mock God and our faith. This pastor clearly did exactly that, for a publicity stunt.

No, Terry Jones is keeping Terry Jones in the public eye. We all knew, every single one of us, Jones included, what the result of this stunt would be. ~DngrMse

Pure projection on your part.  You are focusing on Terry Jones, You knew what the result would be.  A large percentage of western people in and outside of the U.S. are looking at how the Muslims are reacting and saying to themselves,  "Gee, those Muslims sure are troglodytes, and I here thought this was the Religion of Peace!"

It's making some people see this "Arab Spring" horseshit for the SHIT that it is.

just as my wearing a short skirt does not give anyone a right to rape me

Does it give us the right to ogle you, though? 

While that's historically accurate, the advent of Jesus Christ ushered in a new covenant and era, and God does not tell us to destroy idols any longer, merely shun them.

Cite the verse, Chris.

Right?  Nay, it is an obligation.

D-U-N, done!

"If it's wrapped like a hajib, then she is servile, and I am repulsed by her choice to be servile to that cult who wants to murder or subjugate me and my children.

Posted by: dagny at April 02, 2011 02:28 PM (Jkhr5)"

A friend is doing her doctorate and went to study over there.  she is a very nice lovely person blond.   She was repeatedly warned that she needed to wear a head scarf and she resisted saying she is an American and a Catholic and she wasn't going to wear one and they would understand.  She still hasn't told us what occurred that changed her mind, but, she is home has taken a semester off and is rethinking her life.  Before she went there she was happily working on a doctorate and speaking arabic and other languages like she was born speaking them.  btw, when her mom went to meet her plane she almost missed her, she'd dyed her blond hair, she is a natural Scandinavian blond, brunette.

Otherwise, you seem down with my plan. Welcome aboard.
~President Me

Well, I agree with part of it.  Nuke Mecca.  Then no more Haaj, which is one of the Pillars of Islam.  It would show that their god Allan was powerless to protect it and is therefore a false god.

Excommunicated Christians are "apostates".

You meant that excommunicated MORMONS are apostates? Excommunicated christians are not. Mormons are not technically christian either.

Otherwise, to what I think is your point, I have no problem with mormons--they kill so few on religions grounds.

These oaths have been greatly modified since Joseph Smith's time. Below are comparisons of the oaths as they were published in Temple Mormonism in 1931 with the way they are given today. The first oath we will deal with was printed as follows in 1931:

We, and each of us, covenant and promise that we will not reveal any of the secrets of this, the first token of the Aaronic priesthood, with its accompanying name, sign or penalty. Should we do so; we agree that our throats be cut from ear to ear and our tongues torn out by their roots (Temple Mormonism, p. 1 .

This oath has been changed to:

I, —— (think of the new name) do covenant and promise that I will never reveal the First Token of the Aaronic Priesthood, together with its accompanying name, sign and penalty. Rather than do so I would suffer my life to be taken (Mormonism, Shadow or Reality? p. 46 .

Praise be to Allan!

Allan Ackbar!

(peas be upon him)

Right?  Nay, it is an obligation.

Done and done.

Speaking of idols, have any of you morons been following the meat controversy in jolly old England?  The people there in charge offer up prayers while the animal is killed.  Shouldn't Christians assume this is food offered to an idol and abstain or demand it's removal from our country?

The Scientologists killed me.

Ohh! Ohh! Ohhh! 

The absence of a directive to stop destroying idols is not the same thing as a commandment to stop.

Isn't there a 'commerce' clause, or something similar, in there somewhere?

What does international law say?

Are there any Sharia precendents?

Are there any Sharia precendents?

My husband is a Sharia precendent...

Posted by: curious at April 02, 2011 02:54 PM (k1rwm)

I welcome angry comments. It shows that people are aware of the bullshit.

Keeps the fucking crooked politicians on edge..

Posted by: Truman North at April 02, 2011 02:58 PM (8ay4x)

I am personally seeing a shocking decline in the number of supertan Akai berry spokesmodels.

Posted by: DngrMse at April 02, 2011 02:58 PM (aaW0M)

Damn, you are good at reading people's minds.

What is The Bernanck going to do next? I could use the info to front run.

DngrMse

So we're all going to, from heretofore, conduct our lives in ways which we all know won't offend the "neck beards"?  It's just a bit limiting.  My wife is going to chafe at the burka.  Maybe if I call it a UV-blocking afterswim cover.   

Perhaps we should go with Roland Shirk's Shahada Initiative?

 He went further to declare that the lunar calendar was laid down by allah and that any screwing around with it, adding intercalaries and the like, is punishable by death.

Allan is some sort of god of the moon.

RE: Flag Burning

I've always thought an absolute defense to the crime of assualt should be whether the person assualted was burning an American flag. But that's just me.

It's perfectly appropriate that the phrase selected by useful idiots in the West, to describe their delusions of arab civil advancement is, itself, an offense to islam.  That pretty much sums the whole situation up, I think.

Posted by: iknowtheleft at April 02, 2011 03:04 PM (G/MYk)

Like Islamophobia being the view that Islam is a unchanging monolithic block.  Versus any Wahhabi sheikh or Deobandi Mullah saying Islam is unchanging and universal over time, as they all do.   Or quoting a Muslim quoting the Quran being incitement -- per Wilders.   The Left has tied itself in knots within knots to delude themselves.  

Posted by: DngrMse at April 02, 2011 01:54 PM (aaW0M)

Good Lord.  Tell me, if people in, say, Saudi Arabia made it a crime to possess a Bible, and destroyed Bibles whenever they found them, would you support Christians in America running out and finding Muslims to kill in outrageous outrage?

Of course you wouldn't.  And the sad part is, you don't even know why.

Posted by: curious at April 02, 2011 02:54 PM (k1rwm)

There is a difference between Angry, and Mad...

Anger can be both a motivting factor, and conduit for change.... it does not control you... but NOTHING changes until someone gets angry about it.  Its a natural part of the human emotional complex.... and there is such a thing as Righteous Anger.

Mad, is out of control anger... its leads to temper tantrums, and bad decisions...

But our over sissified (dare I say Feminized) US culture has decided to culturaly disdain anger, in case it leads to 'mad'... note the Medias decision early after 9/11 to not show the buildings coming down, or bodies from people jumping to their deaths... and they STATED it was because they did not want us to 'overeact'....

And sorry, but if you are not ANGRY, you are not paying attention.

Mohammed moved back from a solar-adjusted calendar to a totally lunar one, thereby destroying any notion of annual season. 

Yes. So they are, in every sense, lunatics.

He went further to declare that the lunar calendar was laid down by allah and that any screwing around with it, adding intercalaries and the like, is punishable by death.

"Punishable by death?" Gee, there's a first in Islam.

If you burn ten Qurans for every innocent persons killed, you're going to quickly run out of Qurans to burn -- because they will kill ten more, or maybe a hundred more for each Quran burned, which means we'll have to burn a thousand more Qurans in Round Three -- which will probably precipitate World War III, and the shutdown of all Mideast oil and the collapse of all economies in the West.

So Ace, while your idea is well intentioned, it should probably be put on the shelf for now.

Flag burning infuriates me, too. But I bite my tongue, since it's the law.

What the goat-humpers can't stand is freedom. They have willfully submitted themselves to an idealogy that demands subjugation or death. They're so inculcated that they can't seem to rationally fathom any other way of life. The entire notion of freedom seems as foreign to them as a cannibal not eating his cousin.

As this progresses, I'm more and more amazed that the Founders had the conjones to form a country based on something so obvious, yet never before implemented in any form previously: that man is free to live as he pleases.

They were radical thinkers, for goodness.

Posted by: DngrMse at April 02, 2011 03:16 PM (aaW0M)

Yes.  I can't imagine anyone being so completely uncivilized, so savage, so completely ignorant that they would kill someone in response to burning something.  Anything.

Next question, moron.

Umm this is very raw but I like the 'poke fun' slants. We need to bombard the airwaves with skits about "muslims mistakenly rioted and burned down Medina today after Al Jazeera was hacked and mistakenly broadcast that cartoons of Mohammed had been placed in all the mosques" And so on.

My favorite would be to convince the members of a mosque that they missed, and they've been facing toward Tel Aviv or something.

And then, when they break out a compass to check, have a huge electromagnet outside and slowly make the needle swing around to different positions, so they keep having to adjust which direction they bow in.

Also, how 'bout sneezing powder on the carpet?

Hey, I got a million of 'em! It's easy to make fun of people who take themselves so seriously, and at the same time are so ridiculous.

because we stand do business and stand on the sands of Islam owned land, and we are capitalists also abhored by Islam (according to Bin Laden) we should quite both, so we are not Inciting Them. to commit atrocities as 9-11.

if we resist doing our normal scurilous behavior, we will have peace just like  somalia and nigeria.

Posted by: DngrMse at April 02, 2011 03:16 PM (aaW0M)

Impervious-to-Reason Man

I was surprised.  I didn't even know Jones went through with it.  What a weird 21st Century this turned out to be: "Only a moron wouldn't take orders from a bunch of theocratic fascists who obviously will commit murder in Afghanistan for a case of personal property abuse in Gainesville."  

You've turned into a Rhinoceros (not RINO) per Ionesco.  

Posted by: DngrMse at April 02, 2011 03:16 PM (aaW0M)

Hmmm.... the guy who did the cartoon has had people attacking him at home... armed with Axes...

There was a movie producer killed in Europe... for an anti Islam film...

Don't you think THIS guy is now on a Fatwa list somewhere?

Posted by: DngrMse at April 02, 2011 03:23 PM (aaW0M)

He didn't put any innocent lives at risk.  That is the entire point.  The people who put lives at risk are the filthy savages in Afghanistan.  You are holding him responsible for decisions they made.  They chose to murder people, they weren't forced by the pastor.

If everyone in the world converted to Islam, the Muslims would stop killing unbelievers.  You go first.

Posted by: DngrMse at April 02, 2011 03:23 PM (aaW0M)

Shouldn't your name be AfraidOfDangerMouse?

There are a lot of reasons that the UN workers are dead. A major reason being the attention the main stream media payed to the Florida guy the first time. If I burned the Koran last month and put it on Youtube would UN workers be dead now? Of course not. But if a "Famous" guy does it, then it might and did. And why was he famous? Because the media wanted to make Christianity look bad.

Even though there are a lot of reasons this occured and the medias evilness is one of them, only the actual killers are guilty.

By their fruits ye shall know them.

Kinda like SF.

Posted by: Drider at April 02, 2011 03:25 PM (uJSfP)

Hmmm... didn't Moses come down and break apart a certain Golden Calf?

Hmmm... and I seem to to remember even Jesus throwing the Moneychangers from the Temple... what do you think he'd have done with Islamists, who follow a child molesting Warlord wanna be Mesiah, who sit in the exact same Temple?

To everything there IS a season.... sell your cloak, buy a sword...

I mean, its not like anyone has never done what they wanted for personal reasons then justified it based on their ideology before.

You don't win people over by being an ass to them.

Posted by: Billy Bob Soothsayers at April 02, 2011 03:29 PM (uFokq)

Look him dead in the eye, and tell him my House insurance is paid up... are you current on your LIFE insurance?

Posted by: DngrMse at April 02, 2011 03:34 PM (aaW0M) 

**************

This is true. In fact, I had the same thought. He is here in the United States, protected by our laws. He did not go to the belly of the beast, now did he?

#493 Keven

Bingo.   Without the media pushing its typical narrative and giving Jones publicity nobody dies. 

Posted by: DngrMse at April 02, 2011 03:42 PM (aaW0M)

Axelrod called. He wants the check back since you've gone lame.

Posted by: Jacksonville, GA at April 02, 2011 03:42 PM (piMMO)

Apparently the brilliance of Dangermouse. He, and he alone can see through her devious ways.

Posted by: eman: Japanese Babe Rescue Team at April 02, 2011 03:37 PM (1ZnTv)

Nonsense? How many died because of this comment on a blog post..none...but a lot of people have died over there because of this stupidity on the part of Jones..just because he had the right to do this, does not mean he should have. If Jones wants to do this, then let him go there..offer himself up. But that won't happen.

all christians , jews and Buddhists must stop with their blaphemy we must not speak openly of our Beliefs , we must not pray in open , as it might be against Islam. we may not walk while being non-muslim, it's insulting to Islam for us openly to reject   their idea of  G-d.

Posted by: Crom at April 02, 2011 03:43 PM (6j029)

He's only saying that literally.    

Posted by: Terrye at April 02, 2011 03:41 PM (/4D/H)

So, you would, through cultural pressure, deny this man his Constitutional Rights to free speech, and Religion, and property rights (its his dam book do with as he pleases)...

Because someone, on the other side of the world, THREATENS violence?

I'm certainly glad my Forefathers, who fought for this country... and our Founders, did not think the way you do.

Apparently the brilliance of Dangermouse. He, and he alone can see through her devious ways.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at April 02, 2011 03:44 PM (LH6ir)

The same way he can read Jone's mind? Damn, he's good.

How good is he with lottery numbers?

...but a lot of people have died over there because of this stupidity on the part of Jones..

Terrye you meant people have died because OF the stupidity of Islams adherants. what you do not believe they have the maturity or capacity?to learn to not murder over someones conduct thousands of miles away?

Posted by: chemjeff at April 02, 2011 03:45 PM (vj0dH)

An in-your-face sleeper cell. It is all the new rage.

"Nonsense? How many died because of this comment on a blog post..none...but a lot of people have died over there because of this stupidity on the part of Jones"

Bullshit. The people who died did not die because of Jones. They died because of Islam.  Every.Single.Day there's at least 3 stories about someone in the Islamic world killing a larege group of people.  It happens because Allah tells them to kill. That's it.

Posted by: DngrMse at April 02, 2011 03:52 PM (aaW0M)

Yup.  Completely the same.  Look, avoid analogies.  If you were any good at them, you wouldn't advocating that we all become dhimmis.

20,000 (so it was reported)is a great repesentation of that  mob. How big is that town

Posted by: Terrye at April 02, 2011 03:52 PM (/4D/H)

Sorry.... not necessarily true... this was the Outrage de jure... if not the Koran burning there would have been somthing else.

A simple keeping up with current events shows you this.

Posted by: Terrye at April 02, 2011 03:41 PM (/4D/H)

So, you would, through cultural pressure, deny this man his Constitutional Rights to free speech, and Religion, and property rights (its his dam book do with as he pleases)...

Because someone, on the other side of the world, THREATENS violence?

I'm certainly glad my Forefathers, who fought for this country... and our Founders, did not think the way you do.

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 02, 2011 03:47 PM (NtXW4)

I never said anything about denying this man his constitutional rights, in fact I said that he had the right legally to do what he did...but that does not mean that it was the right thing to do. And I am also pointing out that if he is not personally responsible for the murders because he did not actually kill anyone, then all those Aghans over there who did not actually kill anyone are not responsible either...btw, I have had several members of my family serve in the military in the last few years. Their jobs are difficult enough without some publicity hound like this making things more difficult for them and the other people they serve with.

"Ok, fine. I walk into a packed, and darkened theater, lob a smoke bomb down the center aisle, and scream 'fire!' at the top of my lungs"

Because Muslims are completely unable to conrol themselves right?

Posted by: Terrye at April 02, 2011 03:52 PM (/4D/H)

Sorry.... not necessarily true... this was the Outrage de jure... if not the Koran burning there would have been somthing else.

A simple keeping up with current events shows you this.

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 02, 2011 03:55 PM (NtXW4)

That is just wishful thinking on your part. On one hand we are told that the deaths only prove the good Reverend's point, and on the other we are told that burning the Koran had nothing to do with this.

Posted by: DngrMse at April 02, 2011 03:52 PM (aaW0M)

Idiot.

Equality would be:

You, an islamic murderer, are offended by the movie, so you open up on the crowd on full auto, with grenades.

Posted by: DngrMse at April 02, 2011 03:52 PM (aaW0M)

But the closer analogy would be...

You are clear on the other side of the world, and have a campfire... then some NUT (Imam) in a theatres audience Yells fire, and the crowd stampedes... are YOU then repsonsible? after all, you did start a fire!

#559  Great argument.  Speech must conform to the most sensitive and aggressive amongst us.  Some people are like forces of nature incapable of reason.  

We can't lose sight of the fact that crazed muzzies killed somebody for something they saw as perfectly justified, but the rest of us see (rightfully, I might add) as barbarism.

Jones merely provided the excuse for those sub-humans to reveal what (not who) they really are. If it wasn't him, they'd come up with another excuse. They're not known as the Religion of Perpetual Outrage for nothing.

What we should be pointing out is that our media is once again complicit in spreading a negative image of America to our enemies. They are the ones placing our troops in danger, not that false Christian Jones.

Posted by: DngrMse at April 02, 2011 03:56 PM (aaW0M)

It's the same pathetic logic.  Yours.  Hold someone responsible for the actions of another person half a world away.

Posted by: DngrMse at April 02, 2011 03:58 PM (aaW0M)

Then he failed.  What was your point again?

Posted by: Captain Hate at April 02, 2011 03:56 PM (WIFdm)

And why the hell is that? Because I think Jones had the right to do this, but that is was a stupid and selfish thing to do? I am not defending the people who committed these crimes..in fact I am sure many of them are glad Jones did what he did...now they can get whipped into a freaking frenzy and kill a bunch of people  and tell other Muslims that this is proof that America is your enemy blah blah blah...and Jones on the other hand says smugly, that this just proves his point..he could care less.

So what am I supposed to say? That Jones did a brave thing by  burning a Koran knowing full well that a riot would probably ensue? If that makes you view the man in a positive manner...then go right ahead.

Posted by: DngrMse at April 02, 2011 04:01 PM (aaW0M)

I didn't hold Newsweek responsible.  Answer my question: if the savages starting killing people because we have a right to choose, would you condemn women who got abortions knowing that savages would kill people?

Posted by: DngrMse at April 02, 2011 03:57 PM (aaW0M)

Martyred?!!!!

Murdered.

You are one Grade A sucker of cock.

That is just wishful thinking on your part. On one hand we are told that the deaths only prove the good Reverend's point, and on the other we are told that burning the Koran had nothing to do with this.

Posted by: Terrye at April 02, 2011 03:58 PM (/4D/H)

Spent any time in the Mideast?  I have... there are cultural landmines that if you cross in conversation, they go 7th century on you and they become irrational.

Therefore, in THEIR land I don't cross those landmines... but I'll be F'd and Damned if I will allow THEIR problems to stop what I say and do HERE.

And you apparently do NOT follow what goes on daily in the Mid East... there are CONSTANT riots, and killings, most of which never make the Main Stream News... Hell, just last Thurs. Palis fired 8 'foreign built' Missles, which hit within 10 miles of Tel Aviv... MSM? crickets...

Posted by: DngrMse at April 02, 2011 03:56 PM (aaW0M)

It's the same pathetic logic.  Yours.  Hold someone responsible for the actions of another person half a world away.

Posted by: FUBAR at April 02, 2011 04:00 PM (McG46)

Actually conservatives made a point of being very critical of Newsweek for doing this. And rightly so...it was unprofessional and careless.

 don't wish to offend moderate Muslims (and, contra some commenters claims -- of course they exist;

Of course they do!  Unfortunately all 3 of them are currently in hiding.

Posted by: DngrMse at April 02, 2011 03:52 PM (aaW0M)

So what am I supposed to say? That Jones did a brave thing by  burning a Koran knowing full well that a riot would probably ensue? If that makes you view the man in a positive manner...then go right ahead.

Posted by: Terrye at April 02, 2011 04:03 PM (/4D/H)

You're just reacting like a demented skeezer; kind of like you did to Christine O'Donnell.  I just think it's funny that you make such a garish spectacle out of yourself over the stupidest things.  And yes, you're excusing the irrational acts of a bunch of fucking savages whether you know it or not.  The only thing I regard Jones positively for doing is outing stupid assholes like you and the other fuckhead.

That is just wishful thinking on your part. On one hand we are told that the deaths only prove the good Reverend's point, and on the other we are told that burning the Koran had nothing to do with this.

Posted by: Terrye at April 02, 2011 03:58 PM (/4D/H)

Spent any time in the Mideast?  I have... there are cultural landmines that if you cross in conversation, they go 7th century on you and they become irrational.

Therefore, in THEIR land I don't cross those landmines... but I'll be F'd and Damned if I will allow THEIR problems to stop what I say and do HERE.

And you apparently do NOT follow what goes on daily in the Mid East... there are CONSTANT riots, and killings, most of which never make the Main Stream News... Hell, just last Thurs. Palis fired 8 'foreign built' Missles, which hit within 10 miles of Tel Aviv... MSM? crickets...

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 02, 2011 04:05 PM (NtXW4)

I think I said that I have had a lot of relatives who have fought in the military over there..and yes I do follow events in the Middle East..enough to know that this violence was a reaction to Jones burning that Koran and I also know that Jones said the violence just proved his point..so apparently he was very much aware of what could happen. Does that mean that this is the only violence over there? Hell no, I never said it was..

Where's the line, DngrMse? What rights would you give up to not offend a maniac?

Remember that even speaking critically about Islam is punishable by death. What if a caliphate were established and a fatwa were issued stating that all must convert to Islam or others would die. Would you convert to save a strangers's life? Would you convert to save your own?

Spent any time in the Mideast?  I have... there are cultural landmines that if you cross in conversation, they go 7th century on you and they become irrational.

Therefore, in THEIR land I don't cross those landmines... but I'll be F'd and Damned if I will allow THEIR problems to stop what I say and do HERE.

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 02, 2011 04:05 PM (NtXW4)

Preach it brother.  I give those filthy savages and their delusional as much respect as they give me and mine.  It's The Golden Rule, don't you know.

I've never found the term "moderate Muslim" comprehensible. It's just thrown out, meaning...whatever. And I think most people's resistance to acknowledging "their" existence comes from not knowing what the hell "they" are, or disagreeing about it—or the (correct, I think) impression that it's an empty shibboleth, a demand to call somebody, or any-hypothetical-body, a "moderate Muslim," or to call anything that isn't rural-peasant Islam "moderate Islam," to prove you're not a cracka.

I mean, there are "Islam is for Muslims (alone)" Muslims, like the Amish or Hasidim—non-evangelical, non-imperialist, etc. Is that "moderate"? Hasidim and Amish aren't. The Muslims I personally know who are Hasidim-analogous (which is all of them) are extremists. They're just not assholes. Calling them "moderate" is weird and belittling.

There are also political-squish Muslims who want to half-ass their way to dominance, like Republicans half-ass at socialism. Is that who's "moderate?" Whenever a "new face of Islam" Ivy/Oxbridge Muslim is held up in the media as exemplary, that's what he or she turns out to be—a half-assed or "stealth" jihadi. The "social-media revolutions" are revolutions of "professionals, lawyers, doctors, people who appear to be credible"—who are jihadis. "But they have Twitter!" Shibboleth.

My personal resistance to the term is based on the fact—and it is a fact—that the average fully Western and Westernized "moderate" Muslim is deniably leveraging terror to gain social power. Their message boils down to "Don't show that cartoon (or whatever) or my people will get you." That's not moderate. It's fucking evil. And that's the group you're avoiding offending (unsuccessfully, I might add)—because the non-asshole apolitical Muslims I know can't be offended by us. Their world is theirs, and what we say about it doesn't matter.

Name a "moderate Muslim," is what I'm saying. Then point out precisely of what his moderation consists. The source of the you vs. "some" split here is confusion and/or dissembling. Fix that. Unless generating a "some" in your "contra some..." is your point.

Preach it brother.  I give those filthy savages and their delusional as much respect as they give me and mine.  It's The Golden Rule, don't you know.

Posted by: FUBAR at April 02, 2011 04:10 PM (McG46)

Delusional beliefs.

Posted by: Terrye at April 02, 2011 04:03 PM (/4D/H)

You're just reacting like a demented skeezer; kind of like you did to Christine O'Donnell.  I just think it's funny that you make such a garish spectacle out of yourself over the stupidest things.  And yes, you're excusing the irrational acts of a bunch of fucking savages whether you know it or not.  The only thing I regard Jones positively for doing is outing stupid assholes like you and the other fuckhead.

Posted by: Captain Hate at April 02, 2011 04:09 PM (WIFdm)

Skeezer? I see...what has this got to do with Christine O'Donnell? I think she was a crappy candidate..and apparently the voters of Delaware felt the same way...

As for this particular incident..I am not excusing the actions of the people who were responsible for the killings in Afghanistan...that is a bold faced lie..I am saying that Jones wanted this to happen because it serves his purposes...that is not in any way letting anyone off the hook for the killings themselves...and if you can't understand that, then I don't know how to help you.

Posted by: oldsailor's poet at April 02, 2011 04:11 PM (cDRYC)

Thanks; I gotta take my dog out and offend some fucking rock worshipers so have fun knocking around the asswipes in my absence.

"Ok, fine. I walk into a packed, and darkened theater, lob a smoke bomb down the center aisle, and scream 'fire!' at the top of my lungs"

No.  What you should do is walk into the center of Mecca during the Haaj, burn a Koran, and scream en fuego to see if they rip out your lungs...through your ass.

Spent any time in the Mideast?  I have... there are cultural landmines that if you cross in conversation, they go 7th century on you and they become irrational.

Therefore, in THEIR land I don't cross those landmines... but I'll be F'd and Damned if I will allow THEIR problems to stop what I say and do HERE.

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 02, 2011 04:05 PM (NtXW4)

Preach it brother.  I give those filthy savages and their delusional as much respect as they give me and mine.  It's The Golden Rule, don't you know.

Posted by: FUBAR at April 02, 2011 04:10 PM (McG46)

The golden rule is to do unto others as you would have them do unto you...would you want someone to put you in danger just because they wanted to make a point that everyone already was aware of anyway?

Posted by: Terrye at April 02, 2011 04:10 PM (/4D/H)

Ahhh... so having 'relatives' who were in the military, equates to being in the Mid East... interesting..

Feel free to Google Afganistan Riots...

Lets see... violent riot of a US Army convoy truck crash.

Violent riot over supposed Koran flushing.

Violent riots over Civilian casulties

Anti US...

Anti Kharzi...

Oh... and don't forget the violent not enough food riots...

As stated... Outrage du jure..

Question, for FUBAR but also for the rest of you.

Would you go on TV, showing your face and the town you are in, and burn a Koran?

I'm curious...

Where's the line, DngrMse? What rights would you give up to not offend a maniac?

Remember that even speaking critically about Islam is punishable by death. What if a caliphate were established and a fatwa were issued stating that all must convert to Islam or others would die. Would you convert to save a strangers's life? Would you convert to save your own?

Posted by: lauren at April 02, 2011 04:10 PM (nNsNr)

I don't think anyone has to give up any rights.But it does not hurt to show some common sense. I don't think anyone is saying you can be critical of Islam either.

Terrye, so we should tell ,ali hursi , geert, Von Gogh (or right too late), everyone to just sthu because Muslims will kill a slew of people somewhere? Or we should just be a free people allowing others to make their own decisions ?

should we make it illegal to be dumb? Or should we make it illegal To point out Islam is out of control?

"I would give up none, why? I might temper my speech in order to protect innocent lives, but that's apparently to much to ask of Brother Jones, or AoS commenters.  Then again, I'm not angling for a new credit line either"

The innocent lives will be lost regardles, especially if you do nothing. Go over to JihadWatch and look at the daily archives.  I doubt you'll find a day when some instance of mass violence didn't occur at the hands lf Muslims.

The golden rule is to do unto others as you would have them do unto you...would you want someone to put you in danger just because they wanted to make a point that everyone already was aware of anyway?

Posted by: Terrye at April 02, 2011 04:17 PM (/4D/H)

Realllllyyy bad example.... as someone who SWORE to uphold the Constitution of the US... I made that commitment and decision already.

because they wanted to make a point that everyone already was aware of anyway?

Lies.
Everyone is not aware of the point that Terry Jones was trying to make.  That's why the point needs to be made over and over again.
When people stop using BS phrases like"moderate muslims" and "religion of peace" and "don't offend them or else" THEN the point doesn't have to be made to make people aware.

Posted by: Terrye at April 02, 2011 04:22 PM (/4D/H)

Hmmmm   Freudian slip? did you mean no one is saying we CAN'T be critical of Islam? or... are you truly a Dhimmi?

Posted by: Terrye at April 02, 2011 04:10 PM (/4D/H)

Ahhh... so having 'relatives' who were in the military, equates to being in the Mid East... interesting..

Feel free to Google Afganistan Riots...

Lets see... violent riot of a US Army convoy truck crash.

Violent riot over supposed Koran flushing.

Violent riots over Civilian casulties

Anti US...

Anti Kharzi...

Oh... and don't forget the violent not enough food riots...

As stated... Outrage du jure..

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 02, 2011 04:19 PM (NtXW4)

I am beginning to think that you have a reading comprehension problem. I did not say I had been in the middle east. I said I had relatives who are  serving there and who have served over there and I really don't want people making their service more difficult..and I never said that it is not a violent place...obviously it is...however, the idea that this particular piece of violence  and these particular deaths would have happened anyway whether or not Jones burned that Koran just because there is so much violence in the Middle East seems absurd to me.

I'm curious...

Posted by: HH at April 02, 2011 04:21 PM (6oDXl)

Hell no. Getting my own fatwa would be awesome, but being destroyed by the MFM would suck at base levels.

"I don't think anyone is saying you can be critical of Islam either."

I'm going to assume you mean *can't* here.  Islam says you can't be critical of Islam.  Muslims kill every day because someone was critical of Islam. Hell, they kill every day because someone simply chose not to worship Allah. The only way to stop the killing is for us all to bow down in submission, and honestly even that wouldn't be enough because of tribalism.

They are going to kill no matter what we do. The best thing we can do is shine a light on it.

The golden rule is to do unto others as you would have them do unto you...would you want someone to put you in danger just because they wanted to make a point that everyone already was aware of anyway?

Posted by: Terrye at April 02, 2011 04:17 PM (/4D/H)

The pastor didn't put anyone in danger.  Filthy savages did.  That's the part you can't seem to grasp.  I don't mind if anyone burns a book at me from halfway across the world, which is what the pastor did.  It's the savages who went around murdering people.  And your unwillingness to credit them with making their own decisions might be read as racism.  Be careful not to come off as a racist.

The golden rule is to do unto others as you would have them do unto you...would you want someone to put you in danger just because they wanted to make a point that everyone already was aware of anyway?

Posted by: Terrye at April 02, 2011 04:17 PM (/4D/H)

Realllllyyy bad example.... as someone who SWORE to uphold the Constitution of the US... I made that commitment and decision already.

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 02, 2011 04:23 PM (NtXW4)

I see..so if it I am a publicity hound who wants to make a name for myself and so I choose to do something that while it is legal, is very likely to get you killed, you think that is okay? You would want someone to put you in that kind of jeopardy just because they can?

It seems to me that the Golden Rule, which is not the same thing as the Constitution at all...is about morality and our responsibility to treat other people the way we would want to be treated. That is what the Golden Rule is. The Constitution gives Jones the right to burn that Koran and it gives Phelps the right to protest at military funerals. I am not arguing that.

Posted by: Terrye at April 02, 2011 04:26 PM (/4D/H)

Interesting... because I have not read everything you have ever written, on EVERY thread.... I have a comprehension Problem?

And I stand by MY opinion, that even if he had NOT burned a Koran at this time, the Mullahs would still have found somthing else to stir up the crowd...

And that any group who is so bebased as to kill INNOCENT people, because someone half way around the world burns their own property?

The Problem is NOT the Pastor...

What difference does anonymity make?

Everything.

Posted by: Terrye at April 02, 2011 04:22 PM (/4D/H)

Hmmmm   Freudian slip? did you mean no one is saying we CAN'T be critical of Islam? or... are you truly a Dhimmi?

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 02, 2011 04:26 PM (NtXW4)

No, just a typo. Of course you can be critical of Islam...in fact when it comes to women's rights and human rights and individual freedoms and liberties there is plenty to be critical of.

It seems to me that the Golden Rule, which is not the same thing as the Constitution at all...is about morality and our responsibility to treat other people the way we would want to be treated. That is what the Golden Rule is. The Constitution gives Jones the right to burn that Koran and it gives Phelps the right to protest at military funerals. I am not arguing that.

Posted by: Terrye at April 02, 2011 04:32 PM (/4D/H)

So, you would have your 'Golden Rule' trump both free choice, and the Constitution?

Sorry, but the Golden Rule, when taken to extremes, is a suicide pact and unworkable in the real world.

"Really Mr. Bad Guy, I'm not going to shoot you even though you've been shooting at me, because I don't want you to shoot at me!"

But don't worry... there will always be people like me, who willingly put ourselves at risk, to protect people like you...

so what is your point?

That people who are defending this idiot haven't answered the question. Would they do it with all due publicity?

I'm just wondering if they would.

Posted by: Terrye at April 02, 2011 04:26 PM (/4D/H)

Interesting... because I have not read everything you have ever written, on EVERY thread.... I have a comprehension Problem?

And I stand by MY opinion, that even if he had NOT burned a Koran at this time, the Mullahs would still have found somthing else to stir up the crowd...

And that any group who is so bebased as to kill INNOCENT people, because someone half way around the world burns their own property?

The Problem is NOT the Pastor...

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 02, 2011 04:32 PM (NtXW4)

Well I am sorry, but you apparently have had a problem understanding what I have said..now sometimes I type too fast and don't proof read..and there are typos, but overall I don't think I am that hard to understand...

And I am not saying the Pastor is the only problem either. I am saying he is a self serving little man who decided he would make a point we all knew all ready and if that meant some people would die..well fine. But if he is not responsible because he did not actually do the killings, then how can we blame every Muslim? After all, not all of them were a part of that violence either? Jones and the Taliban both got what they wanted.

I see..so if it I am a publicity hound who wants to make a name for myself and so I choose to do something that while it is legal, is very likely to get you killed, you think that is okay?

Another lie.  You're saying Jones is a publicity hound.  Did Jones say he was a publicity hound? No, he did not.

So does your interpretation of the golden rule tell  you that you want people to ascribe motives to you that you to not prescribe to yourself?

What about the Media?  Who would even know that Terry Jones was thinking about burning a Koran if they didn't tell everyone that he was?  This is the same Media that embargos important stories all the time you understand.

Posted by: Terrye at April 02, 2011 04:34 PM (/4D/H)

And if you do that loudly enough so the Imams in Dar al Islam take notice and talk about it, there just might be a rampage and some people will get killed, like most Fridays.

And by your own logic, this would then be your fault.

So don't you DARE criticize Islam, you hypocrite.

No, just a typo. Of course you can be critical of Islam...in fact when it comes to women's rights and human rights and individual freedoms and liberties there is plenty to be critical of.

Posted by: Terrye at April 02, 2011 04:34 PM (/4D/H)

OH, but sorry... its against Islam to be critical of Islam.... just like its against Islam to burn the Koran.... so if you make any more statements critical of Islam, they are going to riot.... and kill people... and it will be ALL YOUR FAULT!

No, not theres for being idiots... but YOUR"S for inciting them....

See how it works?

The golden rule is to do unto others as you would have them do unto you...would you want someone to put you in danger just because they wanted to make a point that everyone already was aware of anyway?

Posted by: Terrye at April 02, 2011 04:17 PM (/4D/H)

The pastor didn't put anyone in danger.  Filthy savages did.  That's the part you can't seem to grasp.  I don't mind if anyone burns a book at me from halfway across the world, which is what the pastor did.  It's the savages who went around murdering people.  And your unwillingness to credit them with making their own decisions might be read as racism.  Be careful not to come off as a racist.

Posted by: FUBAR at April 02, 2011 04:30 PM (McG46)

The thing is he was told time and again that something like this could happen and he did it anyway.  And when the people were killed, he said this just proves my point. He did not feign shock and outrage that innocent people died. This does not let the murderers off the hook, they are killers. They really are and they should be looking at the death penalty for this.

"Jones was out to whore up some attention for himself"

No, he was out there to point out the satanic nataure of Islam. That was his stated goal, and he took many steps short of burning a Koran to reach it. The burning of the Koran was the culmination of several years of advocacy, and frankly seems to be the actions of a man who couldn't think of a better way to get out his message. If someone wants to get some attention they can go get on reality tv. A fatwa isn't worth 15 minutes.

Question, for FUBAR but also for the rest of you.

Would you go on TV, showing your face and the town you are in, and burn a Koran?

I'm curious...

Hell no! Not that I'm defending Jones as noble, not by any means, but he has more guts than I do. Regardless of what some are saying, he must have known that it would make both himself and his church a target and did it anyway.

I see..so if it I am a publicity hound who wants to make a name for myself and so I choose to do something that while it is legal, is very likely to get you killed, you think that is okay?

Another lie.  You're saying Jones is a publicity hound.  Did Jones say he was a publicity hound? No, he did not.

So does your interpretation of the golden rule tell  you that you want people to ascribe motives to you that you to not prescribe to yourself?

What about the Media?  Who would even know that Terry Jones was thinking about burning a Koran if they didn't tell everyone that he was?  This is the same Media that embargos important stories all the time you understand.

Posted by: Speller at April 02, 2011 04:39 PM (J74Py)

Did he say he was a publicity hound? No, but Ed Morrisey said he was a publicity hound and Ed defended the man's actions. And yes the media is culpable, in fact they are like vultures on road kill.

And it is not my interpretation of the Golden Rule...it is the Golden Rule..as least as it was taught to me in the Southern Baptist church I grew up in...do unto others as you would have them do unto you. How many ways are there to interpret that?

Question, for FUBAR but also for the rest of you.
Would you go on TV, showing your face and the town you are in, and burn a Koran?
I'm curious...

Hey curious, why don't you give us your name, vital statistics, phone number, address, etc./ sarcasm

I use a nic because not only is it possible that crazy unknown Muslim assailants may attack me and my loved ones at any time,  crazed unknown  Loughner Leftist assailants are a genuine possibility too. 

Posted by: Speller at April 02, 2011 04:52 PM (J74Py)

Ummm, I'm not 'curious'. But I get your point.

Posted by: Terrye

Interpretation is pretty clear.  Practice depends on whether or not you're a sado masochist.

"Honestly, Lauren. Did you need the Right Reverend Jones to prove just how despicable, stupid, crazed, and idiotic some Muslims can be."

Me personally?  No. However, I actually know the truth about Islam. I don't believe that it is the "religion of peace" like so many others in this country. I wasn't the target audience.

Do any of you know what led to the burning? Jones put "Islam on trail" and pointed out all the horrors of Islam.  The Koran then got the "death penalty" for it's crimes.  As far as public information campaigns go, that's pretty good.  Do you have a better idea about how to wake people up to the truth of Islam? Great. Do it. Just know that telling people the trugh about Islam is enough reason to kill according to Allah.

The golden rule is to do unto others as you would have them do unto you...would you want someone to put you in danger just because they wanted to make a point that everyone already was aware of anyway?

Posted by: Terrye at April 02, 2011 04:17 PM (/4D/H)

I wish everyone would offend Islam on the same day to make it clear we won't be intimidated.  So yes, of course.  You know, like what Molly Norris proposed before she disappeared herself and went off the grid because people like you, but in charge, basically blamed her for the Islamic threats and violence.  

Posted by: Johnny at April 02, 2011 04:50 PM (mhmc7)

Clever reverse psychology?

Posted by: Druid at April 02, 2011 05:01 PM (RnujI)

Exactly how did they arrive at that amount?

"Jones didn't put anything on trial. He knew what was going to happen, you knew what was going to happen, everyone on the face of this earth already knew. The only thing he accomplished was attracting attention to himself, the same way Westboro Baptists do, though with several more fatalities."

You're really going to hold on to your narative despite all evidence to the contrary, aren't you?  Just because YOU can't imagine doing this for reasons other than fame and fortune, doesn't mean that an Apostolic preacher can't.

The fact that he has been very open with his stated goals, that these goals are consistent with his brand of Christiantiy, and that he reached those goals in a rational manner.

Let's not forget that by doing so he has put himself at significant risk of harm. If he just wanted fame and attention, he could go on American Idol. 

Posted by: Terrye

I don't consider letting a handbook of evil murderous idolatry go unchallenged, or worse - be made out to be sacred and untouchable - to be an act of kindness or Christian charity.  If I were enslaved by evildoers, I would consider it a grace to be shown that when followed, this manual leads to death and destruction.  It would be an opportunity to have the mirror held up to me while I still had a chance to escape and make another way for myself. 

Passivity that seeks to upset no one is not the way of Jesus.

I have been trying to get my mind around this idea of a "moderate Muslim". I grant you, it would be nice to suppose there was such a thing. But whenever I encounter writings by someone who claims to be a moderate Muslim, I keep coming back to the same question.  Do you, or don't you, think that everything Muhammad ever did was entirely right, proper, and deserving of emulation?

Ace, if you can find me some Muslims who say, "Well, we reject the part where he "married" women the same day he killed their husbands and fathers," or "We reject the part where he said to kill all the Jews," then maybe we can start having a discussion about whether we can get along with these moderate Muslims of yours. But as far as I can see, a moderate Muslim is someone who hasn't got his shit together to kill me today. So, he doesn't plan to rape my wife and enslave my children. Today.

One thing about Moderate Muslims is that at any moment they could become devout Muslims and start to use the prophet Mohammad as a role model.  Kinda like cyclists..."look, I'm a vehicle...now I'm a pedestrian...now I'm a vehicle...HA, now I'm a pedestrian again"...

Another thing about Moderate Muslims is that they act as human shields for the devout Muslims and an apologetic for not attacking Islam as a whole.  Really, if they were all devout Muslims and nobody pretended there was such a thing as Moderate Muslims then who exactly would buy the whole human shield dodge anyway, huh?

Posted by: Johnny at April 02, 2011 06:03 PM (mhmc7)

The second bunch is no different than most lazy religious types.  They're either waiting for the others to destroy the apostates/infidels/non-believers or they're waiting for "God" or "karma" to do it for them.  Either way, it's a belief that something bad will happen to others while something good is waiting for them.

Lefties like Jenna Elfmann wish death on everyone that ain't a Scientologist.

Some sects of Christianity can't wait until Gandi is burning in hell for eternity.

Some Jews can't wait until the world is rid of non-Jews, or they're no longer allowed in Israel.

Those three do not actively seek to personally kill anyone as a final outcome of humanity.  Only the Koran.

Posted by: dagny at April 02, 2011 06:17 PM (lg6+w)

Actually, "Christianity" did -- the Bible didn't.  It's a matter of assigning meaning from the original speaker to one's own interpretation, and the language varies from generation to generation.  For example, "my Father's house has many mansions" -- when that was written, a mansion was an apartment...

...no, a rented room in a house.

Gives quite a different look rather than what some people see as giant Beverly Hills abodes in heaven.

That's right, dagny.  The Middle Ages were also called the Dark Ages.  Literacy in Europe was at an all time low and most Christian layman had never read the Bible for themselves.  But if they had read it, they wouldn't have gotten the idea that Christianity was spread by the sword from it.

While it's true that much of the Muslim world has a high illiteracy rate, it's also true that if they could read the Koran and Hadith that they would come away with the exact same take on Islam that Osama bin Laden has.

Posted by: Johnny at April 02, 2011 06:23 PM (mhmc7)

How about   "It is Our will that all the peoples who are ruled by the administration of Our Clemency shall practice that religion which the divine Peter the Apostle transmitted to the Romans....The rest, whom We adjudge demented and insane, shall sustain the infamy of heretical dogmas, their meeting places shall not receive the name of churches, and they shall be smitten first by divine vengeance and secondly by the retribution of Our own initiative"

Gives quite a different look rather than what some people see as giant Beverly Hills abodes in heaven.

People only think that because they haven't read the Bible.  The Revelation to John Chapter 21 has a detailed description of heaven as a planet sized transparent Cube.

Anglican leaders condemn burning of the Qur'an; Prayer offered

Um...Anglicans are politicians, not church men.

What's your point?

If we accept not being able to burn a koran for the sake of the troops or anything or one else what is next.  One poor SOB threw away the business card of a guy named Mohammed.  That wa an offence.  I don't remember the punishment but I am sure it was some 9th century abomination.

We play by our rules.  We had to listen for years I may not agree with you but will fight to the death for the right to say it.  Now we add "unless it's culturally insensitive?"

Posted by: LC LaWedgie at April 02, 2011 06:38 PM (kb0wl)

Strangely, the Bible does not condone such behavior.

The Koran does.

~LC LaWedgie

I understand your point, but it's inaccurate.  When you cite the Pope you need to understand that he doesn't represent Christianity, he represents the Catholic establishment who happen to believe the myth that the Apostle Peter was the first Pope.  The Bible is quite clear that only the Apostle Paul was given the task of preaching to the Gentiles, Peter and the rest of the Apostles were sent to preach to the Jews.

Posted by: K~Bob at April 02, 2011 06:44 PM (0fn94)

Not in the least, asshole.  Is that clear enough for you?

Strangely, the Bible does not condone such behavior.

The Koran does.

Posted by: Radiant at April 02, 2011 06:44 PM (dQdrY)

I already said that.

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Those three do not actively seek to personally kill anyone as a final outcome of humanity.  Only the Koran.

Posted by: LC LaWedgie at April 02, 2011 06:15 PM (kb0wl)

Those three do not actively seek to personally kill anyone as a final outcome of humanity.  Only the Koran.

Posted by: LC LaWedgie at April 02, 2011 06:15 PM (kb0wl)

So, let's burn the the Satanic Verses and all get on the same page.

Posted by: Johnny at April 02, 2011 06:56 PM (mhmc7) 

You're the one patting dagny on the back saying it's all right because what you perceive as a majority of deaths were caused by defensive wars.  Seems to me that a lot of Jews and Protestants were killed by R/C popes, too.  I'm not really up on numbers, but I'd imaging the Great Schism killed a few Greeks.

So, let's burn the the Satanic Verses and all get on the same page.

Posted by: Rat Patrol at April 02, 2011 07:00 PM (dQdrY)

We're kinda screwed there.  You burn 'em and they print more and suddenly they are seen far more as the poor, oppressed victims than they're seen now.

Posted by: LC LaWedgie at April 02, 2011 07:04 PM (kb0wl)

As they grow in number, they grow more bold. They canna hide what they are. I truly believe they will act too soon and Europe and America will go totally Old School Roman on their evil asses.

Go long organic fertilizer futures.

If that is truly the case, why do you still follow his holidays and "Sabbath"?

I don't.  In HEBREWS Chapter 4 Paul explains that if a believer is in the body of Christ and Christ rests at the right hand of the Father then the believer is at rest, ie in the Sabbath as it were.  Also the holiday is a contraction of Holy Day and there are no "Holy Days" for a true believer because the word 'holy' means set apart for the purpose of God, and when a man becomes born again he dies to his old life and all the rest of his days are set apart for God, ie 'holy days'.

People are born Roman Catholics and so the Catholics baptise babies.   Christians aren't born  Christians, Christians must be born again, they must choose to commit their life to God.  Baptism is a marriage to Christ.

This is really Bush's fault. He chose endless war over a tac nuke strike on that rock in Mecca. B+rry loves endless war...it gets rid of some of his opposition.

1. The burnings should continue until morale improves.

2. Those people didn't riot and murder because a Koran got burned. They rioted and murdered because their leaders told them to riot and murder.

You're the one patting dagny on the back saying it's all right because what you perceive as a majority of deaths were caused by defensive wars.  Seems to me that a lot of Jews and Protestants were killed by R/C popes, too.  I'm not really up on numbers, but I'd imaging the Great Schism killed a few Greeks.

Roundheads. Calvinist witch burnings. The murders of Henry Viii, etc. Most of the violence that occured was because of political reasons not because Jesus Christ or even the Church had doctrine that suggested killing. There is a HUGE difference in the doctrine of Christianity and the Church and the actions of fallible men or even the edicts of any one church or pope. The doctirine of Islam is to spread it by the sword, to kill, to conquer, to sujugate women, to kill jews. And BTW I'm in favor of the Crusades and wish they had been more successful.

The Crusades were to RETAKE to GET BACK the Holy Land not to take it from it's rightful owners.

It's anti-Christian bias that plays into the hands of the islamists. Christianity has been the only thing standing in the way of Mohammed's murderers and now that it is weak, the islamists are making great inroads.

In case it hasn't been mentioned already:

I notice it took the imams nearly what? Two full weeks to get around to scheduling the outraged outrage over this.  Which tells me if it wasn't this, then it would be something else. 

As it stands, they have us well trained and compliant -- if anything even breathes of bothering them, most people jump to and do their outrage for them.  This week I've lost friends due to their outrage (!) over the poor, innocent Afghan dead that our "trained, psychotic killers" (I'm not shitting you...that's a quote) did, and they are not batting an eye over this.  And again, I can't stress enough: this is coming from people who have been die hard Reagan republicans, and know I have kids and other family in (or who were in).  They are saying to me that my family and I should be examined and licensed...like dogs...before we're allowed back into society (no shit, another quote); they say they can no longer support the military, because the American military are obviously "thugs and no better than terrorists" (that's a direct quote too).

These are long time friends... and ones I never thought I hear such things from.  They are pretty well complete in their dhimmification.

These are long time friends... and ones I never thought I hear such things from.  They are pretty well complete in their dhimmification.

Posted by: unknown jane at April 02, 2011 07:48 PM (5/yRG)

Wait....they're blaming our military for these murders?