Posted by: Vic at January 28, 2011 11:35 AM (M9Ie6)

In the Mideast it seems that it's never the decades-long talks and/or massive international efforts that change anything. It's always the barrel of a gun. Or a Molotov cocktail.

I suppose I can hold out the one-in-a-million hope that this time what comes next will be better than what's there now, but history mocks my odds.

Mubarak as Obama's Shah Pahlavi.

Shall we just be smart and evacuate all US citizens and the embassy from Egypt now?

You know, if they would have had high speed trains none of this would have happened.

You know what Egypts problem is....no high speed rail.

The Twitterer Tami linked to (thanks, by the way) 2 minutes ago:

"Seems like people are again in control of Tahrir"

Posted by: eman at January 28, 2011 11:41 AM (n0WLs)

They're not spaceships.  They're landing pads for spaceships.  Idiot.

Isam is the problem.

Posted by: The MFM at January 28, 2011 11:45 AM (FcR7P)

You know, parody's only funny when it actually exaggerates reality.

/sigh

Egypt is a peaceful country, hardly blowing anybody up.

I blame the Jooooz for this.

_{(Please pass the caramels)}

Posted by: maddogg at January 28, 2011 11:46 AM (OlN4e)

I'm rooting for the giant sinkhole

Man.  If this shit keeps spiraling out of control there's going to be hell to pay.  I was still young, but I remember the Iranian crisis and all the fall out.

Somebody yesterday suggested two license plates with one ending in an odd number and the other with an even one.

I thought it was funny...yesterday.

Somebody yesterday suggested two license plates with one ending in an odd number and the other with an even one.

I thought it was funny...yesterday.

Posted by: The Outlaw in the Heavenly Hall at January 28, 2011 11:48 AM (zxrQh)

As a young whippersnapper, can somebody explain this?  I saw it yesterday and didnt get it.

As a young whippersnapper, can somebody explain this?  I saw it yesterday and didnt get it.

Posted by: Ol' Painless at January 28, 2011 11:50 AM (FIDMq)

NM - gas lines?

Who do you root for when everyone involved is a bad guy?

You pray for the real descendants of the ancient Egyptians.  The Coptic Christians, who are likely to get severely boned in all of this.

81 Need sunlight.............

Posted by: mpfs at January 28, 2011 11:49 AM (iYbLN)

The BeeGees are not impressed.

Somebody spilled coffee on the Egypt-Israel Peace Treaty.

If Egypt goes - how much foreign aid money do we save, and does Obama pull Israel's half of the Carter bribe for peace too?

That would be one nice dividend. Perhaps Israel would be unleashed to kick ass again. And this time, if Egypt goes savage and tries to attack Israel, Israel takes the Sinai--all the way to the canal--and keeps it as a buffer zone, a modern day Sudetenland.

Frankly, it's time to tell the savages that if they once again intend to pick up where Hitler left off, this time Israel "steals it fair and square". No land for bogus peace deals.

As a young whippersnapper, can somebody explain this?  I saw it yesterday and didnt get it.

Posted by: Techie at January 28, 2011 11:52 AM (PAlxT)

Cry and blame Israel.

I'm not watching this...but from the pics I saw last nighf and yesterday I couldn't help but notice a major difference between the Green Uprising in Iran and those in Tunisia and Egypt?

No Wimmens.

As a young whippersnapper, can somebody explain this?  I saw it yesterday and didnt get it.

Odd / Even gas rationing in the 1970's. Only allowed to buy price controlled gas on odd numbered days with odd numbered or personalized license place, even numbered days with even numbers.

Posted by: Techie at January 28, 2011 11:52 AM (PAlxT)

Get their fine silk and exotic spices from the Scandis.

As the Shah kept trying to explain to Carter, these 6th century cretens need a dictator. If they don't have one, everything descends into chaos and rule by the religious loons.

The women, if they have sense enough to know, should be very afraid.

shit, back to work...someone has to pay the bar tab around here.

Well Egypt doesn't have oil, like Iran, but who's to say it can't spread to other places that do

Exactly.  Remember that these riots were inspired by the events in Tunisia.  There's a whole bunch of scenarios that can come as an outgrowth of this.  Most of them just vary in levels of suck.

Yemen is experiencing this same problem as well.

The radical muzzies are trying to use Democratic rule as a wedge, again. 

Barky is just too stupid to know what to do to counter this. 

El Baridei is on the dole from the Iranian Gov't.  Kratos lnked an article to that last night.

Posted by: Crossposted, for Great Justice at January 28, 2011 11:34 AM (GTbGH)

Probably because of Islam?

Damn, someone tell them that they cling to the religion of peace.

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 28, 2011 11:34 AM (0GFWk)

It was just trying to set the stage for Barry's 30 year reign. Of terror

El Baradei would be a Kerensky (complete with the same fate) at best or a fig leaf for the Ikhwan at worst.

President Obama Clinton is making a statement now.

What they need to do is replay Barry's Cairo speech. That will solve everything.

Somebody spilled coffee on the Egypt-Israel Peace Treaty.

That "peace treaty" was always a bad joke.  The Syrian border has been quieter, all these years, than the Egyptian border.  It wasn't worth giving away Sinai.  Not even close.

Controversial Muslim cleric caught being smuggled from Mexico. Have to to to UK press for REAL news http://bit.ly/dGJ921

Posted by: Techie at January 28, 2011 11:52 AM (PAlxT)

Cry and blame Israel.

Zombie Anthony Eden wept.

Next Domino... falls...

Any descendent of the Phaohs out there that we can use as a figurehead to put back on the throne?

Or... maybe a Yul Brenner Clone?

"So let it be written, so let it be done..."

Quick, how can we blame THIS on Sarah Palin?

Does she have Egyptian Cotton sheets of somthing???

the Islamic Brotherhood and its daughter organizations like Hezbollah,

Hezbollah's from the other side of the muslim tracks - Shiite.  It's true that both Hezbollah and Hamas (a direct Mulsim Brotherhood descendant) are supported by Iran, but in actuality we have the two pincers of islam on both borders of Israel ... with Syria filling in the third leg of arab/persian/muslim threats with the secular lunatics of the Baath.

Hillary Clinton speaking: "Reform is absolutely critical to well-being of Egypt..."

So an islamofacist govt in Yemen, Jordon, and Egypt and danger for Israel helps the socialist marxists here, how? Just old chaos theory?

Posted by: robtr at January 28, 2011 11:51 AM (hVDig)

That's the best news I have heard today.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at January 28, 2011 12:22 PM (xdHzq)

Is that why Obama wants an internet cutoff switch?

Is that why Obama wants an internet cutoff switch?

Don't need one of those if you don't have an Internet in the first place! 

Hearing left leaning rhetoric and Anti-Americanism in the coverage on these feeds.

Sounds like it's time for another speech to reign these malcontents in!

Posted by: IllTemperedCur

When one considers the screwed up rules in engagement that our troops endure, I don't want to think about what these poor bastards are stuck with.

Posted by: Timmy

China turning off satellite feeds uring their tank rally at Tianamen square pre-dates this.

U.S. border guards got a surprise when they searched a Mexican BMW and found a hardline Muslim cleric - banned from France and Canada - curled up in the boot.

Said Jaziri, who called for the death of a Danish cartoonist that drew pictures of the prophet Mohammed, was being smuggled into California when he was arrested, along with his driver Kenneth Robert Lawler.

Electing a muslim will have no affect on U.S. foreign policy.

The Obama Administration is in denial.

For those of you too young to remember, and someone older may remember it better than I, Carter was constantly on the Shah of Iran for "human rights abuses". He kept encouraging the Shah and threatening him into getting rid of his secret police. Now, normally we don't like that type of thing nor should we. However, the Shah considered it necessary to stay in power because of who was standing in the wings---not democracy but islamofacist terror and utter repression. Shah finally falls because Carter dicked him over and who takes over? Freedom fighters? No, Islamo-loons.

It has happened there before and it's happening again today.

Posted by: FlaviusJulius

Sputnik blew up on the launch pad?

Posted by: Shoey at January 28, 2011 12:31 PM (ehKDD)

 I put these in order of desirability for you:

1. democracy in Egypt

2. a dictator in Egypt, who keeps radicals at bay

3. a radical muslim terrorist state in Egypt, that closes the Suez, immediately attacks Israel, and takes one more step towards shutting down the Saudi oil flow.

It is pretty clear that what we are seeing is #2 vs #3

Hey, how about this. If savages take over Egypt and start war with Israel again, Israel defeats them, takes back the Sinai, and makes it a homeland for Coptic Christians?

This is a common misconception in America.

We like things to fit nicely into neat little boxes, but the middle east is a clusterf*ck.

In many cases the Chrisitans over there side with the muslims. From America we see at as Muslims v. the world, when in reality it is much more nuanced.

Look at Lebanon for example. There were times during their civil war when Christian militias fought with Israel and against Israel. There were times when the Druze fought with both sides. Heck in the past few weeks a major Christian leader in Lebenon and a major Druze leader in Lebanon backed the new Hizballlah government.

^{U.S. border guards got a surprise when they searched a Mexican BMW and found a hardline Muslim cleric - banned from France and Canada - curled up in the boot.}

^{Said Jaziri, who called for the death of a Danish cartoonist that drew pictures of the prophet Mohammed, was being smuggled into California when he was arrested, along with his driver Kenneth Robert Lawler.}

Was he wearing a Birkha?

The Obama Administration is in denial.

Posted by: This Never Gets Old

True. The situation is plaguing them.

Drudge is saying that Iranian Media are Hailing the Egypt Revolution.

Nice Obama, real nice.

They're after Mubarak's stash. 

Look at Lebanon for example. There were times during their civil war when Christian militias fought with Israel and against Israel. There were times when the Druze fought with both sides. Heck in the past few weeks a major Christian leader in Lebenon and a major Druze leader in Lebanon backed the new Hizballlah government.

If they support the Muzzies, kill them too.

why do we support the tyrants? Mubarak is a dicator-thug, these protests don't seem driven by the islamic radicals, they seem driven by a desire for true reform and we should support them (if this turns out to be wrong, I retract this statement for now), but how can we support the reformers when we refuse to reform ourselves?

You go with that. What are you, like, 17?

Reform ourselves how? Removing marxists from office? Bet that's not what you want.

why do we support the tyrants? Mubarak is a dicator-thug, these protests don't seem driven by the islamic radicals, they seem driven by a desire for true reform and we should support them (if this turns out to be wrong, I retract this statement for now), but how can we support the reformers when we refuse to reform ourselves?

the same reason we supported authoritarian leaders in South America during the cold war. They were pro western and they didn't want to kill us.

Well, we support certain Middle East dictators, because if their populations were given the chance to vote, they would just elect an anti american dictator. (see Iran)

It sucks, but it's realpolitik.

In some nations the only way you're going to get a pro western democracy is if we intervene

It's a weird dichotomy too. Because middle east nations with pro western dictators tend to have populations that hate us, but nations with anti american dictators tend to have populations that like us (for the most part)

Was he wearing a Birkha?

Posted by: garrett at January 28, 2011 12:36 PM (kv1O3)

Nah, he was hiding in the trunk like a seventeen year-old trying to sneak into a drive-in movie.

Is Mubarak too old to make it as a kicker in the NFL? 

That's 6th Fleet's AOR.

Posted by: CDR M at January 28, 2011 12:40 PM (5I8G0)

Stupid question does AOR = Area of responsibility?

Look at Lebanon for example. There were times during their civil war when Christian militias fought with Israel and against Israel. There were times when the Druze fought with both sides. Heck in the past few weeks a major Christian leader in Lebenon and a major Druze leader in Lebanon backed the new Hizballlah government.

If they support the Muzzies, kill them too.

again, its not that simple. It's about survival.

You back who you think is going to win and who you can get the most concessions from. The christians and druze, like the jews, are surrounded by hundreds of millions of muzzies, but unlike the israelis they aren't strong enough to defend themsevles, nor do they have nuclear deterrents.

So they cut deals do what they have to in order to survive

In some nations the only way you're going to get a pro western democracy is if we intervene you remove the populus and replace them with Westerners.

Stupid question does AOR = Area of responsibility?

Album Oriented Radio.

Oh, you meant that kind of AOR...

Egypt's notched into CENTCOM's AOR--as if they don't have enough on their plate.  I suspect this becomes a NEO. 

Is Mubarak too old to make it as a kicker in the NFL? 

You know who would make a great NFL kicker?  Me, that's who.

Stupid question does AOR = Area of responsibility?

Posted by: The Robot Devil

I will tell you what I tell people I train. There are no stupid questions. I have met total drooling idiots asking perceptive questions, but none of those questions were stupid.

What's your next question?

#297

sorry dude, I believe in the democratic republic, I believe it is the best form of government for all humans. I believe a properly run democratic republic is the death of radicalism of most types, I believe that most people everywhere want to be free, want to govern themselves.

I hate the radicals as much as you, they are Facists.

but you can't wipe out a religion as large as Islam, so what can we do?

we change it... but we have to change ourselves first.

if my beliefs offend you, that's your problem.

Is there a split between the police and regular military?

Firepower.

I don't know for certain, but based on other nations in the area. I would assume the military is better paid and therefore more loyal.

we change it... but we have to change ourselves first.

How?

I believe that most people everywhere want to be free, want to govern themselves.

Nope. Not even here. Most people want to be taken care of by their government. In fact we had an election in 2008 where 52% voted for just that.

again, its not that simple. It's about survival.

You back who you think is going to win and who you can get the most concessions from. The christians and druze, like the jews, are surrounded by hundreds of millions of muzzies, but unlike the israelis they aren't strong enough to defend themsevles, nor do they have nuclear deterrents.

So they cut deals do what they have to in order to survive

That makes sense. I just wish they would cut their deals with Israel. *sigh*

I thought they were in AFRICOMs notch now?

Unified Command Plan

Per the CIA Factbook, it's a conscript Army, so it's very possible that the Police Force acts as sort of a "Revolutionary Guard" for Mubarak himself.

Posted by: Tami at January 28, 2011 12:46 PM (VuLos)

Now it read Cairo.

sorry dude, I believe in the democratic republic, I believe it is the best form of government for all humans. I believe a properly run democratic republic is the death of radicalism of most types, I believe that most people everywhere want to be free, want to govern themselves.

Posted by: Shoey at January 28, 2011 12:44 PM (ehKDD)

That's so cute.

why do we support the tyrants? Mubarak is a dicator-thug, these protests don't seem driven by the islamic radicals, they seem driven by a desire for true reform and we should support them (if this turns out to be wrong, I retract this statement for now), but how can we support the reformers when we refuse to reform ourselves?

Ahh, to be young and naive...or old and just plain stupid.

Posted by: Spike at January 28, 2011 12:51 PM (wtnmC)

Yeah, just like how the Palestinians blame their squalid state on the Hamas leaders they elected and not on the neighboring Jews.

Posted by: Shoey at January 28, 2011 12:44 PM (ehKDD)

...again, I ask.

Anyone seeing women in the streets? 

If not, these peole don't want freedom / liberty or democracy. 

So, STFU.

Is there a split between the police and regular military?

Firepower.

I don't know for certain, but based on other nations in the area. I would assume the military is better paid and therefore more loyal.

Posted by: Ben

In Romania, the police forces were more a creature of the regime, and hence more interested in its survival. The military was a conscript mill, and had no such loyalty. They joined the revolt when they were called out, ad hunted down both Coucescu and the secret police who didn't run fast enough.

Here, I can't tell which is more closely allied to the regime and which is more professional/independent. I would have thought that the deployment of tanks was a sign that the regime was playing hardball.

Now I wonder if that's a sign that the military is calling for change, and bringing out the big toys to underscore the point.

I need a program and scorecard to figure this out. I'm sure that the State Dept is on top of things.

Posted by: mpfs at January 28, 2011 12:33 PM (iYbLN)

So ... Shrillary meant a pike-alogue.  Close enough for her.

Diversity!!11!! at January 28, 2011 12:52 PM (QcFbt)

I think Shoey is like 17? Maybe? They must have said that in 8th grade public school social studies.

Reform ourselves! Bwa ha ha. Yeah, because we're the problem...giggle.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff

Alternate title: Saturday night

Come to think of it, our dear and glorious president did say he wanted us to be paying $5.00/gallon at the gasoline pump.  Though I must say this is a hell of a way to achieve his goal.   But then, it does divert attention from his WTF State of the Union fiasco, doesn't it?

Egypt produces almost no oil. The only way this could cause oil prices to go up is if the Suez Canal is shutdown.

The North African Muslims don't have a whole ton in the way of natural resources like the Arabs do.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes, shooting for a job as Israili foreign policy czar

Heh. Then I think about what the Jordanians and the Saudis do with Palestinians.

Pity that the meida is so corrupt. The sight of yet another 'arab nation' treating them with utter contempt and loathing should expose this monstrous fraud.

The North African Muslims don't have a whole ton in the way of natural resources like the Arabs do.

Posted by: Ben at January 28, 2011 12:56 PM (wuv1c)

Posted by: Diversity!!11!! at January 28, 2011 12:35 PM (QcFbt)

Bingo.  Democracy in the arab/persian/muslim world is like ant democracy.  Muslims cannot be trusted with individual self-rule.  That's been a clear fact since islam made its pathetic appearance on Earth.

At least we have a Hussein leading our country ... into the abyss.

Obama announces that Combat Operations in Afghanistan are Over!!!!!! WE WON!!!!

what a dumbfuck, it's at 21.39 on the vid.

http://tinyurl.com/4w48yp6

Islamists need to be in power and be forced to own the squalor that results.

Yes, becasue that worked out so well for us before.

Next.

Egypt produces almost no oil. The only way this could cause oil prices to go up is if the Suez Canal is shutdown.

The North African Muslims don't have a whole ton in the way of natural resources like the Arabs do.

Posted by: Ben

Or they jack up prices on the transit to slightly below the cost of circumnavigating the Cape. Think the early 70's and OPEC.

why do we support the tyrants? Mubarak is a dicator-thug, these protests don't seem driven by the islamic radicals, they seem driven by a desire for true reform and we should support them (if this turns out to be wrong, I retract this statement for now), but how can we support the reformers when we refuse to reform ourselves?

You go with that. What are you, like, 17?

Reform ourselves how? Removing marxists from office? Bet that's not what you want.

Posted by: dagny at January 28, 2011 12:39 PM (0Hp4r)

that is exactly what I want, I hate collectivists, I hate Facists (but I repeat myself) and I hate tyrants which what Mubarak is, using the excuse that keeping tyrants in charge is perferable to a jihadi takeover is nonsense, because it is irrelevant, we keep trying to stuff the cat back in the bag but it keeps coming right back out... why?

because it's not our job to stuff a cat or anything else in their bag, they are never going to get to a point where a democratic republic can exist if we keep interfering in their affairs, we have to leave then alone to sort out their own affairs, certainly when radicals express a desire to kill us, we kill them first that's not what i'm talking about here, I have no problem giving violent religiuos fanatics a bad case of lead poisoning. What I am talking about is our own behavior, believe me, I in no way associate marxism with Freedom, Honesty or Justice it is the opposite of those things, what I am saying is that when we preach those things to others but then don't practice them ourselves those others will resent the hipocrisy.

"Too high a price, and too fraught with danger for everyone else (like us). We have to prevent the utter disaster of an Islamist Egypt."

Why? Egypt has no resources. Let them create an utter hellhole. Fuck 'em. Let them learn the hard way.

So you're sayng let them eat pyramid?

<sup>We got so close to a 12K close.  Now, not so much

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This probably scares this admin. the most.  Their Shell Game is going to shit the bed due to Int'l unrest.

Heh. Then I think about what the Jordanians and the Saudis do with Palestinians.

Pity that the meida is so corrupt. The sight of yet another 'arab nation' treating them with utter contempt and loathing should expose this monstrous fraud.

Posted by: Blue Hen at January 28, 2011 12:58 PM (R2fpr)

Don't forget the Kuwaitis (who just ejected 400,000 palis after the first gulf war - though no one cared) and the Iraqis (who ejected something like 100,000 - though no one cared).  Of course, the palis earned both of those ejections as they were rabid Hussein fans (their Hussein, not ours).  But, when Israel temporarily ejected 212 palis for two years (hamas folks) the world threw a shit-fit.

Of course, the oddest part is that no arab nations, save the palestinian state of Jordan, would give palis citizenship, so more palis have gotten US citizenship (and Israeli!) than they have gotten from any arab country.

And the West continues to play along with this insanity.

Funny how this stuff always happens when American leadership is perceived as weak. And we've got at least two more years of weak to go.

Posted by: curious

Mr President, we've briefed you on the background, recent initititaves and what we know what's happening on the ground at the time. What questions do you have for the team that we've assembled?

Yes Mr President, that's where mummies come from.

Yes sir, the Bangles did sing a song about them.

No, they don't really walk like that; just in the video.

Yes, you did visit there, and gave a speech. You did remember what you learned there. What? You remember only your speech?

Oh.

Posted by: t-bird at January 28, 2011 01:03 PM (FcR7P)

and one of those people was dinner jacket and look what he has wrought, he's literally making I ran into a world power player.  He's even in South America now.  Just like the Chinese are all over Africa.  One of my friends jokes that there isn't enough land in China for five acres and a manse for the wealthy Chinese so they had to annex Africa....it's not funny

Ok shoey, so you're ok with islamofacist 6th century nut bags with nuclear weapons taking over countries because you think that will eventually lead to democracy.

But we also have to reform ourselves---make sure we are free by not having acorn steal elections? I don't know what you want reformed here? The New Black Panthers at election sites? Overtaxation? The media condemning free speech at teaparty events? what?

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 28, 2011 01:06 PM (0GFWk)

And why did they do that?  Why not leave it all there and see what happens, let the world see in real time.  If the providers cave to the government there they will cave to governments everywhere and may find themselves complicit in he fall of a democracy or two.

Posted by: Waterhouse

Because you're an optimist?

As I always said, Peace through Strength.

Posted by: Waterhouse at January 28, 2011 01:10 PM (TfJx1)

Sometimes, the release of a document can be the spark which starts somthing large...

See.   WW1, Zimmerman Telegraph.

Posted by: nevergiveup

Is that what you young kids call it now? What ever happened to 'pitching woo'?

Ok shoey, so you're ok with islamofacist 6th century nut bags with nuclear weapons taking over countries because you think that will eventually lead to democracy.

But we also have to reform ourselves---make sure we are free by not having acorn steal elections? I don't know what you want reformed here? The New Black Panthers at election sites? Overtaxation? The media condemning free speech at teaparty events? what?

Posted by: dagny at January 28, 2011 01:07 PM (0Hp4r)

The Illinois S.C. just let Rahm E. back on the ballot, the law says you have to reside in the state for a year to run for office, the S.C. ignored the law.

that is the kind of hipocrisy I'm talking about, the Government stepping in and taking over GM and telling the bondholders to suck it, that's what I want reformed. 

and no I don't want the middle-east to descend into the Dark Ages with nukes, the problem is the arrogance we display in thinking we can stop it, we can't, we never will and trying to is only making things worse.

Very concerned about violence in Egypt - government must respect the rights of the Egyptian people & turn on social networking and internet

Hey guys! Pass me a Coors Lite!! Anyone up for some shirtless beer pong??

And I don't want to hear your pragmatic bullshit, Hamilton.

Don't you have a Scullery Maid that needs raping?

Only 2 killed? Underachievers.

no its more than that. I've seen video of people being shot, more than 2.

i just think ace doesn't want pure gore on his site, so you'll have to find that for yourself.

i suggest places like liveleak dot com

Posted by: arhooley, conflicted Californian at January 28, 2011 01:09 PM (OguJW)

Good luck with that. Obama is pissed right now that he even has to think about foreign policy. It's such a distraction.

Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at January 28, 2011 01:17 PM (KktlX)

Like Chico and the Man but funnier.

here's what we do in the middle-east... We honor our commitment to protect and defend Isreal, we let the rest rot until they learn.

the oil will keep coming, they want the money more than they hate us.

the oil will keep coming, they want the money more than they hate us.

Posted by: Shoey at January 28, 2011 01:22 PM (ehKDD)

But what about their fine silks, exotic spices and sheep pron?

Good luck with that. Obama is pissed right now that he even has to think about foreign policy. It's such a distraction.

He is probably pissing in his golf pants right now.

Actually, our Hussein likes the chaos.  More problems for the West is what he wants. This is exactly what he's been hoping for - though he really wants it here, you know ... a crisis is a trerrible thing to waste.

 I'm glad I got a chance to visit the Pyramids before the talibanists blow them up.

I worked on the research for one of the major finds / digs that occured in late 90's.  I couldn't go to work on the dig because I refused to get a Passport that didn't list my religion as Jewish. 

Fuck the Muslims.

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at January 28, 2011 01:23 PM (9hSKh)

it depends on wht you mean by "trying" I'm all for the killing with extreme prejudice any person or group who threatens us, my thing is this: they threaten us, we kick the holy crap out of the perps, kill them all and let God sort it out, and then we LEAVE, we GO HOME!

Gotta give credit where credit is due, CNN has had far superior live video and on-the-scene reporting from Egypt.

the oil will keep coming, they want the money more than they hate us.

Posted by: Shoey at January 28, 2011 01:22 PM (ehKDD)

You never heard of the arab oil embargo or their idea of "oil as a weapon", have you?

Arabs don't care about anything so much as harming or killing infidels.  That's why the opther Hussein intentionally dumped tens of millions of barrels of oil into the gulf and lit just about every oil well in Kuwait on fire.  Arabs/persians/muslims are all about scorched earth - all earth.

It must have been the bad dates. 

Posted by: arhooley, conflicted Californian at January 28, 2011 01:25 PM (OguJW)

Almost perfect. You left out "sucking his thumb."

What am I chopped liver??

Almost perfect. You left out "sucking his thumb."

Gotta give credit where credit is due, CNN has had far superior live video and on-the-scene reporting from Egypt.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 28, 2011 01:29 PM (hUf/c)

That is how they came to prominence.  Remember the live reports from Baghdag during Gulf War I?

Posted by: Tami

Yup. That was the day I decided to enlist.

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 28, 2011 01:34 PM (0GFWk)

Fox sucks on breaking news stories...especially those not in the US.

and no I don't want the middle-east to descend into the Dark Ages with nukes, the problem is the arrogance we display in thinking we can stop it, we can't, we never will and trying to is only making things worse,

Posted by: Shoey at January 28, 2011 01:18 PM (ehKDD)

There's a lot of truth to this statement.  Though I don't think we can't - I think we won't.  What have we done to stop the spread of nukes to the muz?  Maybe we set the centrifuge destroying computer virus upon them, but even that was only a delaying tactic, and the program was full of basic mistakes that allowed it to be detected.  If we weren't targeting technically backward savages the impact would have been far less.

The only right thing to do is eliminate the basic problem - the Muz themselves.  Only by removing those people from the earth can there ever be any hope of peace and stability.  But we don't have the spine to do the hard things.  We have a superabundance of grossly misplaced compassion.  We don't even have the sense to remove the Muz from the US.  We're just doing our best to kick the can down the road on the cheap, hoping the shit doesn't all break loose on our watch.  Well, the day of reconning is getting ever closer.  We're going to regret not using our overwhelming destructive power while we could.

I want to see Egypt burn.  I want a famine and civil war worse then anything they've ever seen that sets them back centuries.  Alas - it will probably not happen that way - it'll just be one more nation state funneling cash to the jihad.

Posted by: Marmo at January 28, 2011 01:35 PM (InrkQ)

hehehe!

RPG's used.

link?

Where is Helen Thomas when you need her?

RTV is the Putin Network. Just bear that in mind.

oh i know that, but the video is legit and without commentary.

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at January 28, 2011 01:36 PM (9hSKh)

Loose Nut to Oak Tree.

 Loose nut to Oak Tree.

Need to Evac. repeat - Loose nut needs Evac.

Please inform Oak Tree.

Loose Nut, Out.

I love hirsute on hirsute violence. 

the oil will keep coming, they want the money more than they hate us.

Posted by: Shoey at January 28, 2011 01:22 PM (ehKDD)

You never heard of the arab oil embargo or their idea of "oil as a weapon", have you?

Arabs don't care about anything so much as harming or killing infidels.  That's why the opther Hussein intentionally dumped tens of millions of barrels of oil into the gulf and lit just about every oil well in Kuwait on fire.  Arabs/persians/muslims are all about scorched earth - all earth.

Posted by: Charles Krauthammer's 3rd, and Last, Brain Cell - The Sane One at January 28, 2011 01:29 PM (AK0dh)

they use oil as their weapon now, they have used it in the past and they will use it in the future, propping up and paying off their tyrants won't change that, in fact it will only advance the practice.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 28, 2011 01:34 PM (tJjm/)

This administration is pro-business!!

Posted by: arhooley, conflicted Californian at January 28, 2011 01:25 PM (OguJW)

Almost perfect. You left out "sucking his thumb."

Remember the bit in World War Z where the President was curled up in a ball, under sedation as the zombie crisis tore the world apart? Everyone thought that was supposed to be referencing Bush, but it sounds more like JugEars, doesn't it?

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 28, 2011 01:36 PM (0GFWk)

And guess who gets splashed with it when that happens.

Posted by: Barky the Orator at January 28, 2011 01:43 PM (GwPRU)

so i'm hearing from my lib/dem friends that "it's over" and why is that ask I, well say they, this new guy has all kinds of media connections and he sold himself on the basis that he kept the majority of joe's gaffs out of the media and so, with the election coming there will be even stronger ties between the WH and the MSM and this can only help secure another victory for him and ultimately for hillary in 2016"....oh I see said I

Elliotb Abrams via Matthew Shaffer at NRO 5 minutes ago:

"The difference between military and the police, is that the police are constantly being used for 30 years now to suppress the people. ItÂ’s the police who are constantly in small confrontations with the citizens. When it comes to freedom of expression or freedom of assembly itÂ’s the police. The army is very popular, a heroic institution that fought the Israelis, and the army led the revolution in '52 and '53, so the army has a very diff relationship with the people than with the police force. It is not true that the army hated Mubarak; he was in the air force and has always had a close relationship with the leadership.

But what about the people who are privates and sergeants, etc.? ThatÂ’s the real question. The regimes always take very good care of the generals. But normally the people at the bottom live in poverty, they donÂ’t have officersÂ’ clubs or any of that. So the question is, when the moment comes when either the crowd is going to overwhelm you, or you shoot -- what are you going to do? ItÂ’s a question about the people on the bottom; will they actually shoot, will they follow the orders? And will the people at the top actually give the order? In Tunisia the answer was no. Well Mubarak is 82 -- what kind of future are you going to have if the army shoots at people. I donÂ’t think we know yet.

The question now hinges on the crowds and the degree of confrontation. In all of these regimes – thereÂ’s no precedent. It hasnÂ’t happened in these countries. It is reasonable to think that either the soldiers themselves wonÂ’t do it. "

I have a feeling that this story isn't going anywhere. Time to pull out my National Geographic Egypt map and keeping track of what's happening where. Countries have bifurcated in times like these.

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at January 28, 2011 01:46 PM (SJ6/3)

Can I suggest a burning of Allah in effigy?

Wow, thats a profound, game changing statement alright.

Anyone for tiddly winks?

keep on ragin'

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 28, 2011 01:52 PM (TAjuH)

Brian! Job opportunity.

Obama's statement to Mubarak?

"Tut-tut."

Ace is up. 

Genghis Khan teh Greenie post above.

Sadat. He got a bad case of lead poisoning.

Mubarak was close enough to hear that lead poisoning.

So... we're rooting for political oppression and against freedom now?  IS that how we roll?  Oh I get it, muslims aren't real people and don't deserve real freedom.  My bad.

Do you know how fantastically hypocritical that makes many of the positions we hold, or claim to hold?  Maybe someone we don't agree with will take power.  Maybe they will seek to operate in their pown best interests.  They should be able to.

I think a lot of this snarking on these guys is due to a line Reagan said, "is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isnÂ’t so."   If you get all your news about the "muslim world" from JihadWatch, it's hard to remember that these are real people who are farking pissed about being held hostage by a corrupt government that is destroying their chances at economic freedom.

Support freedom.  That's all.  Even the freedom for other folks to be different than you, or believe things that you don't, or act in their own best economic interest.

So... we're rooting for political oppression and against freedom now?  IS that how we roll?  Oh I get it, muslims aren't real people and don't deserve real freedom.  My bad.

Muslims are belligerent, aggressive barbarians who can't exercise individual self-rule without causing gigantic problems for everyone around them.  It's been that way for over 1400 years.  That's the story.

So... we're rooting for political oppression and against freedom now?  IS that how we roll?  Oh I get it, muslims aren't real people and don't deserve real freedom.  My bad.

Do you know how fantastically hypocritical that makes many of the positions we hold, or claim to hold?  Maybe someone we don't agree with will take power.  Maybe they will seek to operate in their pown best interests.  They should be able to.

I think a lot of this snarking on these guys is due to a line Reagan said, "is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isnÂ’t so."   If you get all your news about the "muslim world" from JihadWatch, it's hard to remember that these are real people who are farking pissed about being held hostage by a corrupt government that is destroying their chances at economic freedom.

Support freedom.  That's all.  Even the freedom for other folks to be different than you, or believe things that you don't, or act in their own best economic interest.

Posted by: flashoverride at January 28, 2011 02:32 PM (Ss0fB)

They don't want the freedom to be different than me, or believe things I don't, or act in their own best economic interest. They want the freedom to opress women and non-Muslims, and to rule Egypt as the Ayatollah rules Iran.

All you starry-eyed middle schoolers on this thread need to grow up.

New from the Twitter link above:

"Seems like the police or the Army are trying to disperse protesters now."

"For a while it was quiet, but now we see a vehicle burning"

Posted by: Charles Krauthammer's 3rd, and Last, Brain Cell - The Sane One at January 28, 2011 02:36 PM (AK0dh)

Watch it, crip.

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at January 28, 2011 02:35 PM (/joDP)

Dana Perino's just dumb.  Cute, but dumb.

So... we're rooting for political oppression and against freedom now?  IS that how we roll?  Oh I get it, muslims aren't real people and don't deserve real freedom.  My bad.

Posted by: flashoverride at January 28, 2011 02:32 PM (Ss0fB)

Do you really think that adding something like 5-8 more Irans in the region is a good thing?  Because if you think Islamists aren't going to swoop in to fill the vacuum or that sweet sweet democracy is just going to magically appear in the wake of all this, you're either deluded or naive. 

   Oh I get it, muslims aren't real people and don't deserve real freedom.

If you get all your news about the "muslim world" from JihadWatch, it's hard to remember that these are real people who are farking pissed about being held hostage by a corrupt government that is destroying their chances at killing all Infidels economic freedom.

^{Posted by: flashoverride at January 28, 2011 02:32 PM (Ss0fB)}

Nice try, retard. 

 Islam doesn't adhere to the notion of the Civil Society. 

Point me in the direction of the Liberty minded Muslim who is fighting tooth and nail against his 'non-moderate' brother.

I'll wait...

Watch it, crip.

Posted by: Barbarian at January 28, 2011 02:39 PM (EL+OC)

Heh.  You're the good kind.

To all you dickwads that bought the Hope and Change BS.... Thanx a lot you shit bags. Just stay home next time! Look what we have as the leader of the free world ..A little manchild that could fuck up a wet dream while awake !!!!!!!!

So... we're rooting for political oppression and against freedom now?  IS that how we roll?  Oh I get it, muslims aren't real people and don't deserve real freedom.  My bad.

Posted by: flashoverride at January 28, 2011 02:32 PM (Ss0fB)

Posted by: Rocks at January 28, 2011 02:46 PM (Q1lie)

Damn straight!

Rocket in My Pocket

Posted by: flashoverride at January 28, 2011 02:45 PM (Ss0fB)

And why did those churches need human shields in the first place?

So you missed the solidarity protests in Egypt then, when muslims went out to the churches as human shields?  Or you didn't look, because you don't actually care, and only cite information when it supports your side of the story?

Taqiyya. 

Look it up, Retard..

Posted by: flashoverride

And you can prove that the people who did act as shields are the ones "agitating for freedom"? Or are the ones in the streets today the ones that staged the attacks? Do you know, or are you pulling guesses out of your ass?

Never go full Biden. Never.

Really?  I mean...  because we know Al'qaeda runs Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Indonesia, Malaysia...

Are you really this daft?  

My apologies to the Retards.   They have an excuse.

Posted by: dagny at January 28, 2011 11:39 AM (0Hp4r)

Gah!  I just transferred ~2oz of coffee thru my nose.  Thanks!

Posted by: shibumi at January 28, 2011 02:42 PM (OKZrE)

So... we're rooting for political oppression and against freedom now?  IS that how we roll?  Oh I get it, muslims aren't real people and don't deserve real freedom.  My bad.

Posted by: shibumi at January 28, 2011 02:42 PM

Nah.  We've been pretty quiet and we are usually the cited reason for a big jump in gas prices.

Posted by: dagny at January 28, 2011 11:39 AM (0Hp4r)

Gah!  I just transferred ~2oz of coffee thru my nose.  Thanks!

Posted by: tangonine

Methinks your O-rings are faulty.

Posted by: flashoverride

Keep up the "I hate this other website" schtick. That wows the crowds. Look at what the Cedar revolution was, and how it ended. Most people do not want that to happen to Egypt.

The right to a useful and remunerative job in the Suicide Bomb Factories of the nation of Islam;

The right to earn enough to provide adequate aid to the Jihadi;

The right of every farmer to raise the hem of his wife's Birkha and Rape the shit out of her;

The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination Unless they are Infidels;

The right of every family to at least One Martyr;

The right to adequate medical care to cure the STD's we givve to Our Goats;

The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of The Evil Juice;

The right to a good boy to Fuck in the Ass.

All of these rights spell Freedom.

Americas own rightful place in the world depends in large part upon how fully these rights are given to the Backwards ass Peoples of the World.

For unless there is a lack of Security here at home, you sheep just won't fucking listen!

And why did those churches need human shields in the first place?

Posted by: Paul at January 28, 2011 02:51 PM (DsHk0)

I love it when someone dismantles an argument with one question.

Because I knew somebody would bring up Taqiyya and how somehow that works out here.

Retarded.  and 

The Religion Islam is the Politik of Islam. 

There is no difference.  So, if we are to believe that this is a Civil War...then what are we to view as the Nation of Islam's "Declaration of Independence"?

Go Read their Charter.  Asshole.

Geezez. Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama don't get it.  They are so dense and clueless.

Order needs to be restored in Egypt immediately (by whatever means necessary), and then they need to work towards reforms - not visa versa.  That is a no-brainer. (Not that the dummies in the MSM get it either.)

With the blessings of the dummies in the MSM, the chronic fuck-ups in this administration are making the same blunders that the Carter Administration made in Iran. Those damned fools have no business running this country.

Posted by: flashoverride at January 28, 2011 03:18 PM (Ss0fB)

Crap!  I knew we forgot something in TARP!

Posted by: flashoverride at January 28, 2011 03:18 PM (Ss0fB)

Posted by: flashoverride at January 28, 2011 03:20 PM (Ss0fB)

They are no Iran.

Posted by: Brian at January 28, 2011 03:32 PM (sYrWB)

Israel openly supporting Mubarek would be a death sentence for Mubarek.  Are you kidding?

Posted by: tangonine at January 28, 2011 03:32 PM (x3YFz)

that's not true

Posted by: flashoverride at January 28, 2011 03:25 PM (Ss0fB)

Our aid contributions also went away for Iran, but they muddled through.  And the Palestinian Authority under Hamas gets no more money from us, either.  Yet on they go.

Posted by: tangonine at January 28, 2011 03:32 PM (x3YFz)

that's not true

Posted by: Um at January 28, 2011 03:34 PM (p302b)

You're right.  Obama isn't even present on this one.

Posted by: mpfs at January 28, 2011 03:35 PM (iYbLN)

I'll do it!  Everyone gets a car!!!  Now someone find me a donut.

Posted by: curious at January 28, 2011 03:36 PM (p302b)

I salute you for not administering a firm, open-handed, slap to the face.

Posted by: flashoverride at January 28, 2011 03:11 PM (Ss0fB)

Okay.  That's Nobel Peace Prize material, right there.

I saw the excerpted "peaceful protest" pamphlet with it's G-20 anarchist guides to outfitting yourself.  One page listed goals which included "Freedom" and "Justice."

One word bullet points.  Thomas Jefferson they ain't.

if these protests are a product of the radicals, then we should not support them, if they are not the product of the radicals but rather a popular uprising against their own tyrant then we should support them.

the problem is telling the difference, everyone thinks they know but they don't, only time will tell.

or Mubarak could just commence the with mass killings and make all of our points immaterial.

"But the human spirit has proven once again that it will not accept totalitarianism."

Sounds nifty. But naive. Islam and a democracy can not coexist. Not in the Middle East, and not without enforcement by the USA indefinitely.

Posted by: Brian at January 28, 2011 03:44 PM (sYrWB)

Is it possible you really think that Israel openly supporting Mubarek at this point would be anything other than disastrous?

Posted by: Double Ply at January 28, 2011 04:18 PM (ezdtY)

Oh, it's much worse this time around.

Anwar Sadat must be turning over in his grave. He deserved the credit for Egyt's peace with Israel - not that fuck up, Jimma Carter. Now, under this other fuck-up, Barack  Obama, all of Sadat's work and 30 years of peace between Egypt and Israel will come undone. Thanks 52%ers, you fuck'n assholes. We sure got the trifecta of incompetence with Obama, Holder and Clinton.

BTW, I just heard on Cavuto that the Obama Administration is blaming the Bush Administration for this situation in Egypt. Seriously. What a surprise.

democracy can't be forced, people have to find their own way to it, to date the only countries that we have "democratized" are those that were ready for it and wanted it, all the others have failed.

why?

because we do not practice what we preach, we preach freedom and then the politicans disregard our will, we preach justice and then arbitralily pick winners and losers, we preach(ed) self-reliance and then demand the government cut us a check.

until we go back to the Founding Principles the world will continue to see us as hypocrits

the answer is to live up to our own rhetoric, to be honest and true even when it hurts us, even when we suffer for it

government of the people (Sarah Palin), by the people (TEA Party) and for the people (our grandchildren)