June 17, 2011
— Ace NYT says the twitter identities of two younger girls who tipped the #bornfree crew about Weiner's internet behavior... don't exist.
One Twitter user the group observed seeking to interact with Mr. Weiner was called “Nikki Reid.” She started an online campaign to get Mr. Weiner to be her prom date at Hollywood High School in May, using the account @starchild111. Within days after Mr. Weiner started following her, a Twitter user, also using a fake name, Marianela Alicea, and pretending to be Nikki Reid’s classmate, contacted a member of the #bornfreecrew and said she had information about Mr. Weiner, but never provided any.But there is no evidence that either girl exists. There is no Nikki Reid or Marianela Alicea enrolled at Hollywood High School. In response to requests from a reporter from the blog Mediaite, a woman claiming to be Nikki Reid’s mother provided documentation to substantiate her identity and her daughter’s identity. But records show the street address the woman provided does not list anyone named Reid as an occupant. State officials in California have confirmed that the driver’s license this woman provided to Mediaite was false, as well.
It remains unclear who is behind the fake Twitter accounts, why anyone was trying to pretend to be a 16-year-old high school girl looking for Mr. Weiner to be her prom date or why the user contacted members of the #bornfreecrew.
Actually the NYT overstates this -- what they seem to have is evidence they provided false ID to Tommy Christopher. They don't seem to have evidence the girls are actually "fake" as they mean fake to imply-- that they're some kind of operatives trying to stoke interest in the story.
Still, with their ID checking out as fake, the "completely fake" possibility is in play.
Dialing In... Calling this blog radio show to talk about B & V.
Over now, but now archived here.
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I retract my multiple acknowledgements and confessions. I am an innocent man.
Posted by: A. Weiner ONTHE COMEBACK TRAIL! at June 17, 2011 07:50 PM (C0Z3w)
Posted by: eddiebear at June 17, 2011 07:50 PM (JmVLJ)
I also don't really care anymore. I mean, maybe an interesting postscript, but Weiner hanged himself with his own rope several times over regardless of any skullduggery.
Posted by: Jeff B. at June 17, 2011 07:51 PM (hIWe1)
Ummm...
Any ground rules here?
I mean, speculating about if they are fake can lead to speculating about if they are real? Minors who aren't public figures?
I'm just gonna follow your lead here.
Posted by: ed at June 17, 2011 07:52 PM (Y2WVW)
Posted by: Jeff B. at June 17, 2011 07:54 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: Nickie Goomba at June 17, 2011 07:55 PM (jeLTI)
Posted by: SantaRosaStan, only occasionally wrong at June 17, 2011 07:55 PM (UqKQV)
Posted by: KingGold at June 17, 2011 07:55 PM (48Azh)
Posted by: ace at June 17, 2011 07:56 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: eddiebear at June 17, 2011 07:56 PM (JmVLJ)
Posted by: Ebo Walker (was a mighty fine Fiddle player) at June 17, 2011 07:56 PM (nIleX)
Posted by: ace at June 17, 2011 07:57 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: USA at June 17, 2011 07:58 PM (6Cjut)
Posted by: dick cheese at June 17, 2011 07:59 PM (GTbGH)
Don't forget to tip your waitresses, people . . . Ace deserves to have his best week ever.
Posted by: Peaches at June 17, 2011 08:00 PM (afUO8)
Posted by: USA at June 17, 2011 08:01 PM (6Cjut)
Posted by: Walter Freeman at June 17, 2011 08:02 PM (UsjBj)
Posted by: ace at June 17, 2011 08:03 PM (nj1bB)
Believe me, they'll know our power! I sure showed this one commie hippie bitch when I threw a rock through the window of her Free Press community paper!
Posted by: ken the kommie killin' kommando at June 17, 2011 08:03 PM (so1xa)
OK, the obvious theory is that "Betty" and "Veronica" are fictitious honey-pots created by conservatives that watched Weiner for a while, figured out his style, and were put out there for him to get into trouble with.
But concurrently with getting entangeled with the honey pots, Weiner was throwing out so many dic-pics that real women got him in trouble like the honey pots were supposed to.
Posted by: ed at June 17, 2011 08:04 PM (Y2WVW)
and he killed the trolling assholes, so he won his just reward.
Now he stood beside the treasure on the mountain, dark and red,
turned the stone and looked beneath it. "Weiner's quit" was all it said.
[idea hat tip to bigred]
Posted by: andycanuck at June 17, 2011 08:04 PM (c5Nbw)
Posted by: BSR at June 17, 2011 08:04 PM (BH4RQ)
Posted by: Nickie Goomba at June 17, 2011 08:05 PM (jeLTI)
Wait. Are all the lesbians and hot high school chix on the inner tubes really fat, middle age male losers? NOOOOOOOOO!!!
Posted by: Moron Cubed at June 17, 2011 08:07 PM (DUW4W)
Posted by: Peaches at June 17, 2011 08:07 PM (afUO8)
It was Breitbart, this big guy, a cop, and, and just look what he did to me, Breitbart is his name, just look at me...
Posted by: A. Weiner ON THE COMEBACK TRAIL! at June 17, 2011 08:07 PM (C0Z3w)
Posted by: Jollyroger at June 17, 2011 08:08 PM (KLnPr)
Posted by: A. Weiner Forever at June 17, 2011 08:09 PM (FcR7P)
What's the difference between that and what U.S. and State law enforcement does on a regular basis when they have an inkling that some perv is stalking little girls? They fake teen interest on a regular basis and count on the responsible adult to avoid it. Even if their premise was correct they would have to claim Chris Hansen and thousands of FBI are out of bounds...
Who are they trying to defend?
Posted by: kdj0172 at June 17, 2011 08:14 PM (lvgk9)
Posted by: Will.I.Am at June 17, 2011 08:15 PM (jeLTI)
Now...if conservatives were putting out honey pots for Weiner to get tangled up in, they would probably be watching him pretty close like.
Which might explain why one of them was able to catch and capture the dic pic that Weiner sent Genette that was only up for a minute or two.
Cuz he was already watching closely to see if the honey pots would catch him. Instead, Genette was what he ended up getting in trouble with.
Now... as far as I can tell, this seem logical and plausible. I think...
The left will go ape shit over this, calling it entrapment. And they might have a case if Weiner got caught by fake honey traps.
But... he didn't. He got nailed primarily (not exclusively mind you) by real women that he was throwing unsolicited dic pics at.
Posted by: ed at June 17, 2011 08:15 PM (Y2WVW)
Yes, and name tags!
Posted by: Hugh Jass at June 17, 2011 08:17 PM (so1xa)
Posted by: Hillary Rodham Clinton at June 17, 2011 08:17 PM (QTr+K)
Posted by: Kasper "Banned-everywhere-but-here" Hauser at June 17, 2011 08:18 PM (QTr+K)
Posted by: Walter Freeman at June 17, 2011 08:19 PM (UsjBj)
Posted by: Brian L. at June 17, 2011 08:19 PM (QUIPG)
Posted by: andi sullivan at June 17, 2011 08:19 PM (so1xa)
Posted by: parisparamusinbrooklyn at June 17, 2011 08:20 PM (SWXtF)
Posted by: Cobb at June 17, 2011 08:21 PM (QTr+K)
Posted by: Barack Obama's 25,000 email at June 17, 2011 08:21 PM (jeLTI)
Posted by: Dawnsblood at June 17, 2011 08:23 PM (oOHgq)
1) The guy is still a reprehensible pervert
2) The people defending him are nearly as disgusting
Oh, and I forgot a third... I guess you also agree that Chris Hansen and Dateline NBC are doing bad work catching all the pervs. You obviously think they should get away with it.
Posted by: kdj0172 at June 17, 2011 08:24 PM (lvgk9)
Posted by: Guy Incognito at June 17, 2011 08:24 PM (c5Nbw)
Walter Freeman at June 18, 2011 12:19 AM (UsjBj)
Yeah, true that.
Molon Labe at June 18, 2011 12:20 AM (pcly4)
Hmmm... good point.
Posted by: ed at June 17, 2011 08:25 PM (Y2WVW)
Posted by: alamogordo at June 17, 2011 08:25 PM (v0vZP)
Posted by: rdbrewer at June 18, 2011 12:20 AM
Someone must have had him ask for Amanda Hugginkiss
Posted by: Dick Guzzinia at June 17, 2011 08:26 PM (so1xa)
Posted by: Jollyroger at June 17, 2011 08:26 PM (KLnPr)
Posted by: Guy about to meet Chris Hansen at June 17, 2011 08:28 PM (2jQGY)
I can't even click on it because I know what it is and it always creeps me out.
Posted by: Clueless at June 17, 2011 08:28 PM (piMMO)
When people are defending a 46 year old for for having intimate conversations with an underage girl because the underage girl wasn't a real underage girl
I'm not defending Weiner. Let me just put that out there. In no uncertain terms... I am not defending Weiner.
Posted by: ed at June 17, 2011 08:29 PM (Y2WVW)
Posted by: Chuck U. Farley at June 17, 2011 08:30 PM (so1xa)
Posted by: Zakn at June 17, 2011 08:30 PM (zyaZ1)
Posted by: Anthony Weiner at June 17, 2011 08:30 PM (AZGON)
The messages and pictures in question were sent via mediums that both parties had to give permissions to be sent privately. The women gave Weiner permission to send them private messages.
Posted by: kdj0172 at June 17, 2011 08:30 PM (lvgk9)
Not sure why one group of conservative Weiner-hunters (not-Betty and not-Veronica) would punk another (bornfreecrew).
Posted by: arhooley at June 17, 2011 08:31 PM (Y139+)
Posted by: Jollyroger at June 17, 2011 08:31 PM (KLnPr)
I ask, because he is being a real dick on on Hotair's thread about some dunce who wrote an article to express her disdain for Kindles: Here, if anybody cares
It's just so completely out of character for him-he is usually one of those people who goes right up to the line and stops there. He ain't stopping this time.
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at June 17, 2011 08:32 PM (agD4m)
Ah! And I bet that appliance repairman who called about my fridge wasn't real either!
Posted by: Clueless at June 17, 2011 08:32 PM (piMMO)
And when you call those late-night 900 numbers, you're really speaking with the hottie from the commercial
Posted by: Clueless at June 17, 2011 08:33 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Rex Harrison's Hat at June 17, 2011 08:35 PM (exeaC)
Posted by: BurtTC at June 17, 2011 08:35 PM (IzKWj)
Posted by: George Orwell at June 17, 2011 08:35 PM (AZGON)
Posted by: alamogordo at June 17, 2011 08:35 PM (v0vZP)
It contradicts conservative-honeypot theory, if you think about it. The Times didn't. Why would they?
And the Mediaite story about this is deniably (and/or illiterately) accusing Breitbart of being behind the whole Hollywood High girls/fake-mom thing. BREITBART HOAX!
"It doesn't say that!" But it does. About five times. Or—it's not written in English.
Posted by: oblig. at June 17, 2011 08:36 PM (xvZW9)
Posted by: t-bird at June 17, 2011 08:36 PM (FcR7P)
You want a conspiracy theory:
Somebody had information that Weiner was the dick-pick tweeting sexting pervert that he was but didn't have hard proof and thus set up a little honeytrap for him.
Who could it be? If not anti-Weiner conservatives, how about one of his potential rivals for the NYC mayor's race? The NY Dem machine might be more likely to have the inside scoop on Weiner's proclivities.
Posted by: Publius(NotBreitbartCrew) at June 17, 2011 08:37 PM (VVB18)
Posted by: sulla at June 17, 2011 08:40 PM (xdWSP)
Posted by: Jim Treacher at June 17, 2011 08:42 PM (QTr+K)
@84 If you went on a date and afterwards invited them into your house and they decided to expose themselves on a whim, is that prosecutable?
I'm no law expert, but I'm pretty sure not. While if they did it in public, yes it would be.
Posted by: kdj0172 at June 17, 2011 08:43 PM (lvgk9)
Posted by: Walter Freeman at June 17, 2011 08:44 PM (UsjBj)
Posted by: Jim Treacher at June 17, 2011 08:44 PM (AZGON)
Posted by: I-Work-For_Breitbart at June 17, 2011 08:45 PM (QTr+K)
If Betty and Veronica are fake, would there still be collateral damage? Or would it be simulated damage like that Star Trek episode?
I'd like clarification
Posted by: kbdabear at June 17, 2011 08:45 PM (so1xa)
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at June 17, 2011 08:47 PM (agD4m)
Posted by: kbdabear at June 17, 2011 08:48 PM (so1xa)
Posted by: James Tiberius Kirk at June 17, 2011 08:48 PM (AZGON)
Posted by: PmZey at June 17, 2011 08:49 PM (pmzey)
Posted by: Barbara Walters at June 17, 2011 08:50 PM (gGCrM)
Posted by: Smarty McSmartpants at June 17, 2011 08:52 PM (gGCrM)
Non-story. The story is and was Weiner sending the pics and interacting with these people. That some of them may have been fake is beside the point. He thought they were real, real enough to send dic-pics. That's the only thing that mattered this entire time.
Some of the folks in the MSM (and some of them not, like Stranahan) would have you believe there is something more to this story. There isn't. Fake or not, Weiner sent the pics. That's all there is to say about this.
Posted by: Rich at June 17, 2011 08:53 PM (dlZa6)
103, I guess for some people it has. Not for me. What the hell do I care there are people on the internet who use fake names and get congressmen to send dic-pics? There are fake people all over the freaking internet. That's not a big deal. At all.
Posted by: Rich at June 17, 2011 08:55 PM (dlZa6)
Posted by: The-Ghost-of-Johnny-Cochran at June 17, 2011 08:55 PM (QTr+K)
It doesn't matter if there was a honey trap or not. Weiner did it, obviously, admitting to it. And tons more pictures came out, plus the sextscripts, and then Gloria Allred.
But it wouldn't surprise me a bit if there was a honey trap being set. One of his enemies knew. I wouldn't be surprised if that "patriot" crew weren't in on it themselves. The operatives just tipped them to watch Weiner.
That's the way you do it anyway, I think. You wouldn't want the ones who break the story to be in on the trap in any way.
Posted by: Publius(NotBreitbartCrew) at June 17, 2011 08:55 PM (VVB18)
Posted by: The Real Kasper Hauser at June 17, 2011 08:58 PM (QTr+K)
Andrew Breitbart !!!11!!!!
Posted by: Archie Andrews at June 17, 2011 08:59 PM (so1xa)
Posted by: Arnold Schwarzeneggar at June 17, 2011 08:59 PM (AZGON)
Posted by: Smarty McSmartpants at June 17, 2011 08:59 PM (gGCrM)
I mean, I know they loved the guy, and really wanted him to go places - given his single greatest accomplishment of being the one person in New York more vile and despicable than Chuck Schumer - but at this point, it feels a bit like sour apples.
Memo to The Times: This is why ignoring stories can bite you in the ass. Because if they turn out to be true, your spin machine is several weeks past its effective date.
Posted by: 5th Level Fighter at June 17, 2011 09:00 PM (hfWKa)
Posted by: Rich at June 17, 2011 09:00 PM (dlZa6)
Posted by: PmZey at June 17, 2011 09:03 PM (pmzey)
OK, OK, I binged "Paget Brewster Topless" to convince myself she had a boob job, based on her premiere episode of Criminal Minds some years back, which I saw earlier today
I was right. She did. Major rack job. Several pics, from forgotten movies.
Oh.. Erm... I guess that explains it.
Posted by: Jim Sonweed at June 17, 2011 09:04 PM (FVhEi)
Posted by: Palin Steele from the Phantom Zone at June 17, 2011 09:06 PM (so1xa)
What, our dream mayor is in a tough spot? No need to hurry, am I right?
Posted by: Anthony Weiner at June 17, 2011 09:08 PM (agD4m)
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at June 17, 2011 09:09 PM (agD4m)
Posted by: George Orwell at June 17, 2011 09:11 PM (AZGON)
Posted by: Wendy Weatherbee at June 17, 2011 09:14 PM (c5Nbw)
Posted by: derit at June 17, 2011 09:18 PM (FQlFL)
>>>I ask, because he is being a real dick on on Hotair's thread about some dunce who wrote an article to express her disdain for Kindles: Here, if anybody cares
That is indeed very weird. I suspect either 1.) stolen password/spoof account; 2.) alcohol; 3.) something weird I don't understand yet.
But yes, Treacher (or whomever is impersonating him) is acting way out of line over there.
Posted by: Jeff B. at June 17, 2011 09:19 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: Tommy V at June 17, 2011 09:22 PM (yGNFc)
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at June 18, 2011 12:32 AM
I don't know Jim Treacher, but whoever that was is a dick.
Posted by: arhooley at June 17, 2011 09:25 PM (Xrf10)
He was fapping it to underage girls. That's the knowledge he had at the time. That they later turned out to be of age is no consequence.
Posted by: Clueless at June 17, 2011 09:25 PM (piMMO)
Maybe I am alone in this, but I hope it WAS a right wing sting that caught him doing what he was already doing anyways.
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at June 17, 2011 09:25 PM (agD4m)
Note the key key detail at the end of his post: the fake mother of the fake daughter actually tried to get Tommy Christopher to run with (provably false) story that Breitbart and Dana Loesch were trying to make the girls LIE about the case. Which points to a left-wing/Weiner-wing source, you would think.
By the way, seems to me like it's time to give some credit to Stranahan. I remember when a lot of us were ranking on him for being 'off the reservation' on the angles he was pursuing on Weinergate. I myself thought he was barking up the wrong tree (since, as Ace said, the real story was about Weiner and his behavior), but I never could fully dismiss what he was turning up...it was just too weird. Now it seems like he was really onto something.
Tommy Christopher's got a lot of 'splaining to do.
Posted by: Jeff B. at June 17, 2011 09:26 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: Damiano at June 17, 2011 09:26 PM (3nrx7)
Posted by: Random at June 17, 2011 09:27 PM (m13yO)
If that was my daughter, her facebook account would sure as hell be temporarily offline.
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at June 17, 2011 09:30 PM (agD4m)
OT, but: Why in god's name does every webpage I open include a "Genie Bra" ad?
Yeah, I know, I know. I keep getting these MENSA invitations and NASA recruitment ads.
Posted by: arhooley at June 17, 2011 09:31 PM (Xrf10)
Posted by: Random at June 17, 2011 09:31 PM (m13yO)
Posted by: PmZey at June 17, 2011 09:32 PM (pmzey)
Posted by: Damiano at June 17, 2011 09:32 PM (3nrx7)
Posted by: Random at June 17, 2011 09:33 PM (m13yO)
Your profile and all information associated with it disappears from the Facebook service immediately. People on Facebook will not be able to search for you or view any of your information.We save your profile information (friends, photos, interests, etc.)
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at June 17, 2011 09:34 PM (agD4m)
what kind of a cover story DEPENDS on two 16-year old girls to cover for your behavior with other underage girls?
Posted by: Random at June 18, 2011 01:27 AM
Maybe their "existence" wasn't supposed to be revealed.
The heart of this scandal is certainly true, but god only knows if we'll ever get the whole story.
Posted by: arhooley at June 17, 2011 09:35 PM (Xrf10)
Posted by: DM! at June 17, 2011 09:38 PM (O0Qwy)
Posted by: DM! at June 17, 2011 09:40 PM (O0Qwy)
"Betty and "Veronica" and "Betty's Mom", etc. were false flag operations designed to bait someone (my guess is Breitbart and/or his crew) into biting down BIG on a false story. Once they had bitten, the story would instantly dissolve, leaving their credibility severely (if not irreparably) damaged.
Was Weiner or his team actually involved with this? I don't know and on the face of it, it's crazy to think so. But here's the thing -- in order for this to be true (the false flag theory) it had to be run by someone who was already familiar with Weiner's "girl problems."
You know what? This IS fucking fascinating. This is some straight through-the-looking-glass wheels-within-wheels shit right here.
Posted by: Jeff B. at June 17, 2011 09:41 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: Damiano at June 17, 2011 09:42 PM (3nrx7)
Wrong. The girl the Delaware police (and the Fox reporter) visited was a real girl, codenamed "Ethel" in various online media analyses. A separate issue.
Posted by: Jeff B. at June 17, 2011 09:42 PM (hIWe1)
in order for this to be true (the false flag theory) it had to be run by someone who was already familiar with Weiner's "girl problems."
Those B & V tweets go back pretty far, don't they? Don't they predate the dicpic that started it all?
By "girl" problems do you mean underage, because as far as I know they're the only underage ones assuming they exist.
Posted by: arhooley at June 17, 2011 09:44 PM (Xrf10)
The Tommy Christopher story sounds like someone on the left was trying to discredit Breitbart and Dana by posing as teenage girls and their mothers. Seems pretty elaborate if they had fake driver's licenses, so I chalk it up to maybe weiner put someone up to it or some fucked up kos assholes.
It's not like the kos kids weren't already going out of their way to find/manufacture anything they could to prove Breitbart was behind setting up teh weiner.
Posted by: Steph at June 17, 2011 09:45 PM (AkdC5)
Posted by: ace at June 17, 2011 09:46 PM (nj1bB)
Gary Johnson here folks, hehe, and at least my campaign is not fake. Hehe, no, really, it's not...stop laughing. Stop it. Now.
Posted by: Gary Johnson at June 17, 2011 09:47 PM (e2VMT)
Posted by: Chris Hanson at June 17, 2011 09:48 PM (3nrx7)
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at June 17, 2011 09:49 PM (/zYUh)
How long was the story out about whoeverthefuck those girls were before Christopher's story was published? We know that their twitter activity was active as far back as what? March?
It's very possible that those girls exist, but are not the ones that Tommy had contact with, right?
Posted by: Steph at June 17, 2011 09:51 PM (AkdC5)
OT, but: Why in god's name does every webpage I open include a "Genie Bra" ad?
Yeah, I know, I know. I keep getting these MENSA invitations and NASA recruitment ads.
----
But I'm not even a chick!
(looks down)
Oh.
Posted by: Jim Sonweed at June 17, 2011 09:52 PM (FVhEi)
Posted by: Random at June 17, 2011 09:52 PM (m13yO)
Not that there necessarily was a blogger but that he knew someone was on to him and it seems like that is a big part to this puzzle we can't see fully yet. Idk, but I agree with Jeff B this story is fascinating still.
Posted by: PmZey at June 17, 2011 09:54 PM (pmzey)
Posted by: kbdabear at June 17, 2011 09:54 PM (so1xa)
Posted by: Damiano at June 17, 2011 09:54 PM (3nrx7)
Posted by: Andrew "Captain America" Breitbart at June 17, 2011 09:55 PM (jeLTI)
Posted by: Random at June 17, 2011 09:55 PM (m13yO)
Yes, and that's exactly what's so critical about this. It suggests that whomever was running this false-flag operation (and I think the evidence we have now strongly indicates that's what it was, regardless of source or motive) was working a LONG con, not just swooping in to do some short-term damage control after the initial dic-pic scandal broke. If THAT had been the case it would actually be easier to guess at what happened: quick (if sordid and deceptive and unethical) reaction by a crisis-management team to kill the story by sabotaging the credibility of the main mover behind it (Breitbart).
But as you say, the B&V tweets (and their relationship w/the PatriotUSA group following Weiner) PREDATES that. Which means what, exactly? It strongly suggests, at least, that whomever was running the B&V 'game' was doing so, at the very least, with the awareness (long before it percolated up into the mainstream media) that Weiner was being accused of improper relationships with underage girls on Twitter.
Now who would be aware of this? It wasn't a secret, but it sure wasn't a media story either.
Well, here are some other things we know: according to several media reports as well as his recorded online behavior, Weiner was fully aware of the fact that he was being watched closely by angry conservative internet-stalkers. And he was specifically alerted to the "underage girl" angle (because the #BornFree crew would always retweet Weiner himself with their insults/attacks).
So who would have an interest in going to the trouble of creating fake 'underage girls' to sting conservative critics of Weiner into biting on a false story?
Posted by: Jeff B. at June 17, 2011 09:58 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: Random at June 17, 2011 09:59 PM (m13yO)
Posted by: Marion Barry at June 17, 2011 09:59 PM (3nrx7)
If one is aware one is being stalked, AND one is running some Spy Vs. Spy game to beclown the stalker, does one continue one's cyberperversity?
I don't think Anthony is simultaneously that smart and that stupid.
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at June 17, 2011 10:02 PM (agD4m)
Posted by: Random at June 18, 2011 01:55 AM (m13yO)
I just read the NYT's article again. It says the Nikki Reid account was set up last Septmber, but there was no activity on it until March when she started tweeting about trying to get him to be her prom date.
September? This is starting to sound more like someone on weiner's side of the aisle knew what he might be up to and was trying to set him up. He wasn't exactly well liked by the Dems in NY, right?
Posted by: Steph at June 17, 2011 10:03 PM (AkdC5)
Posted by: Nickie Goomba at June 17, 2011 10:04 PM (jeLTI)
You know what? That's the part that actually makes a lot of sense, if you understand the psychology of an arrogant, overconfident guy like Weiner. Setting aside whether or not Weiner himself is responsible for the 'false-flag' B&V operation, Weiner probably felt smug as fuck about this.
From his perspective, these right-wing assholes hounding him online were all barking up the wrong tree: they thought he was doing something inappropriate with young girls when he KNEW for a fact that he wasn't, that he was actually innocent of that (and I believe that he was at this point). THAT was the 'story' that was kinda-sorta floating around out there about Anthony Weiner on some blogs before this all happened. And Weiner knew that was false, to the point where he probably was thinking to himself "ha, you dumbfucks don't even know what I've REALLY got going on...you think you're onto something but you don't know the real shit."
And then he fat-fingered that dumb dic-pic. And it all crumbled around him: yes indeed, he was innocent of inappropriate relationships with underage girls...but it turns out he was doing something pretty awful nonetheless. And I do honestly think his knowledge of being innocent about the former charge made him more and more cavalier about the latter one (the one that ended up bringing him down). He probably began to think like the murderer who looks at the child molester and thinks "hey, at least I didn't do THAT. I'm not such a bad guy, comparatively speaking."
I really am becoming enamored of the theory that Weiner was behind the B&V twitter identities, because he saw an opportunity to fuck with/bring down his obsessive enemies (and they did pester him constantly).
Posted by: Jeff B. at June 17, 2011 10:11 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: Random at June 17, 2011 10:12 PM (m13yO)
Posted by: ace at June 17, 2011 10:14 PM (nj1bB)
I just read the link at Patterico that Ace posted.
If Christopher spoke to the woman on the phone, does he not have a phone # for her? Did he call her or she call him? And, that statement put out by the girl's mother seems like something teh weiner would have given her. We certainly know that he asked the stripper if she needed him to help her with a statement.
Whoeverthefuck those girls on twitter are they could very well be real, but have been silenced by teh weiner. He sure as hell tried to silence others, and them being underage their parents may not want to bring them into the spotlight, especially the way things were unfolding.
This whole thing is starting to sound like the contact to Christopher was teh weiner control, and may not have actually been the girls from Twitter, but it doesn't mean they don't exist.
Posted by: Steph at June 17, 2011 10:15 PM (AkdC5)
Posted by: ace at June 17, 2011 10:15 PM (nj1bB)
I'm one who believes that Wiener was a consumer of 'roids, and that his judgement and willingness to be 'handled' were severely compromised. Fat-fingering would be par for the course.
Posted by: Nickie Goomba at June 17, 2011 10:17 PM (jeLTI)
Posted by: ace at June 17, 2011 10:18 PM (nj1bB)
And, I see Ace beat me to it, of course.
Yep, when this all comes out of the shadows we're going to see that weiner is a bigger dick than we thought.
Posted by: Steph at June 17, 2011 10:18 PM (AkdC5)
Also, anyone who hasn't should be reading Ace on Twitter.
Posted by: PmZey at June 17, 2011 10:20 PM (pmzey)
Posted by: ace at June 18, 2011 02:15 AM (nj1bB)
But, Ace, the NYT says the Nikki Reid Twitter account was set up last September, but wasn't really active until March when she started tweeting about him being her prom date.
Posted by: Steph at June 17, 2011 10:21 PM (AkdC5)
@183 I think #3 is the least likely. They are not that subtle. Why would the Democrat leadership go through all that instead off just taking him down to their version of the Bo'sun's Locker for some wall-to-wall counseling?
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at June 17, 2011 10:22 PM (agD4m)
Posted by: Marion Barry at June 17, 2011 10:22 PM (3nrx7)
Posted by: Random at June 17, 2011 10:22 PM (m13yO)
Posted by: Steph at June 17, 2011 10:23 PM (AkdC5)
See: Facebook, in-activate.
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at June 17, 2011 10:24 PM (agD4m)
Posted by: Steph at June 17, 2011 10:26 PM (AkdC5)
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at June 17, 2011 10:27 PM (agD4m)
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at June 17, 2011 10:31 PM (agD4m)
Posted by: Jeff B. at June 17, 2011 10:31 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: ace at June 17, 2011 10:32 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at June 17, 2011 10:36 PM (agD4m)
Posted by: Random at June 17, 2011 10:36 PM (m13yO)
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at June 17, 2011 10:36 PM (agD4m)
Posted by: Jeff B. at June 17, 2011 10:41 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: The Man Between The Cans at June 17, 2011 10:43 PM (TCyyS)
This was not a setup. The convo with Christopher was teh weiner trying to run a cover up, and had already silenced the teen girls and their parents.
The only questions left are who the teens really are, 'cause their twitter accounts were set up in September, but pretty much inactive.
Ace is not supposed to swear? He must be turning blue by now!
Posted by: Steph at June 17, 2011 10:44 PM (AkdC5)
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at June 17, 2011 10:45 PM (agD4m)
Posted by: The Man Between The Cans at June 18, 2011 02:43 AM (TCyyS)
Yeah, he did. When he made his first initial statements Tuesday iirc he had already hired that firm.
Posted by: Steph at June 17, 2011 10:45 PM (AkdC5)
Gary Hart / Donna Rice / Monkey Business ?
Yes, he was that *smart*, but thinking with the other head.
Posted by: Storm at June 17, 2011 10:47 PM (AZFgs)
Posted by: Damiano at June 17, 2011 10:47 PM (3nrx7)
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at June 17, 2011 10:49 PM (agD4m)
Posted by: Jeff B. at June 17, 2011 10:50 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at June 17, 2011 10:51 PM (agD4m)
Posted by: Damn Dirty RINO at June 17, 2011 10:51 PM (hSwL0)
I'm telling you we're going to find out that teh weiner was behind the B&V shit given to Christopher.
Was that Ace that cursed? LOl!
Posted by: Steph at June 17, 2011 10:52 PM (AkdC5)
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at June 17, 2011 10:54 PM (agD4m)
I think it started out as a "get Weiner's persecutors" or "keep tabs on Weiner's persecutors" thing back when those persecutors were only dogging him about the 'underage girls' thing (which Weiner knew to be false and therefore he could make hay out of it).
Once the story broke, however, the rationale may have changed as a crisis-management strategy. That's why Stranahan's clarification that "B&V" only came to Mike Stack pushing the "Weiner's said awful things to us, get Breitbart!" line is important. It suggests that the "B&V" team only started pushing hard about "we've got awful texts from Weiner" when they wanted something to distract people from the REAL scandal (which was Weiner's sexting with adults). The idea was that people would be diverted onto this bright, shiny dead-end, maybe even report something false and/or actionable that would allow Weiner to take the offensive, and in doing so bury the story. Remember, at that point Weiner had no idea that Meaghan Broussard was going to come forward with her own pictures....
Posted by: Jeff B. at June 17, 2011 10:54 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: Damn Dirty RINO at June 17, 2011 10:55 PM (hSwL0)
Posted by: Jeff B. at June 17, 2011 10:57 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at June 17, 2011 10:57 PM (agD4m)
Posted by: buzzion at June 17, 2011 10:58 PM (XGtZt)
Posted by: Steph at June 17, 2011 10:58 PM (AkdC5)
Posted by: Damn Dirty RINO at June 17, 2011 11:01 PM (hSwL0)
wtg Ace! Ewok power rulz.
Posted by: GnuBreed at June 17, 2011 11:01 PM (bvXGR)
Posted by: Damiano at June 17, 2011 11:01 PM (3nrx7)
Posted by: Steph at June 17, 2011 11:02 PM (AkdC5)
It explains it very easily if indeed the "B&V" game (which also includes "Nikki Reid" as well) initially began life as an attempt to keep tabs on and/or gain access to the people harassing/stalking Weiner.
Posted by: Jeff B. at June 17, 2011 11:02 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: Damiano at June 17, 2011 11:03 PM (3nrx7)
But not in a gay way. You know, like a viking.
Posted by: Jeff B. at June 17, 2011 11:04 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: Jeff B. at June 18, 2011 03:02 AM (hIWe1)
So they waited until March to start anything? They could keep tabs on #bornfreecrew without setting up the account and letting it sit idle, right?
Posted by: Steph at June 17, 2011 11:04 PM (AkdC5)
Posted by: Damiano at June 17, 2011 11:06 PM (3nrx7)
Exactly. Just a dummy account set up (like Weiner's many other alternate Facebook pages and e-mail address) to keep tabs quietly, or maybe even for some unrelated reason (and merely later repurposed).
Posted by: Jeff B. at June 17, 2011 11:07 PM (hIWe1)
very interesting
Posted by: Storm at June 17, 2011 11:08 PM (AZFgs)
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at June 17, 2011 11:10 PM (agD4m)
Posted by: ace at June 17, 2011 11:12 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Jeff B. at June 18, 2011 03:07 AM (hIWe1)
Well, no matter what I think we're going to find out the real skinny. Christopher supposedly spoke with the mother on the phone. He should have some type of phone #, right?
Posted by: Steph at June 17, 2011 11:12 PM (AkdC5)
I still find it makes more sense to say these six people are really six people. Posted by: ace at June 18, 2011 03:12 AM (nj1bB)
Me, too. I think there really are 6 people and that so-called statement to Christopher was from teh weiner camp.
Posted by: Steph at June 17, 2011 11:14 PM (AkdC5)
Posted by: ace at June 17, 2011 11:14 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: ace at June 17, 2011 11:16 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: The Fixer at June 17, 2011 11:16 PM (agD4m)
>>>Betty and Veronica and their extended friends and family were six political operative phantoms who attempted to either 1, set up weiner, and then got lucky with the dic-pic, or 2, set up Breitbart, and then got unlucky with the dic-pic.
>>>I still find it makes more sense to say these six people are really six people.
This seems to me to be needlessly complicated. Postulates too many 'nodes' in the form of too many people who would have to be "in on it," so to speak. Six different people? And no worries that even a single one of them would talk?
I think it's much more likely that one or two people were behind the various fake accounts.
Posted by: Jeff B. at June 17, 2011 11:16 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: Steph at June 17, 2011 11:17 PM (AkdC5)
Posted by: Steph at June 17, 2011 11:19 PM (AkdC5)
Posted by: ace at June 17, 2011 11:21 PM (nj1bB)
And here I thought I'd seen it all when I was in the Navy. And I saw some doozies, but nothing this convoluted and bizarre.
What was it that Lord Acton said? Power corrupts, and absolute power makes you have to really embrace the strange to get your rocks off? Something like that.
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at June 17, 2011 11:21 PM (agD4m)
Yes, it makes sense if you understand that Veronica's goal is to divert the attention in the scandal to Breitbart (who obviously is/was a flashpoint & controversial figure) and away from Weiner, in any way possible, no matter what. So first the idea is to try and lure Breitbart into biting on the fake story (and then use the story's public dissolution to suck up all the MSM oxygen and to turn the tables on Breitbart and make HIM the story). When that doesn't work, B&V then try once again to get Tommy Christopher to make Breitbart the story, hoping that accusations that he was trying to get them to "lie about Weiner" would suddenly shift the investigative interests of the mainstream media.
And ALWAYS REMEMBER that while all this was happening, Weiner had no idea that Meghan Broussard had already come forward with the pictures that would finally destroy him. He felt (and rightly so, I think) he could survive this if nothing else came out. He was thinking he could hold out and filibuster on this one, and that the task would be immeasurably helped if the "hounds" got thrown off the true scent and onto a snipe hunt for the "underage" angle that might also hopefully entangle Breitbart (his main persecutor).
So yes, the logic actually works quite elegantly in explaining B&V's post-dicpic behavior, Ace.
Posted by: Jeff B. at June 17, 2011 11:22 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: not the droid you seek at June 17, 2011 11:24 PM (xc/va)
Because they WEREN'T really implicating Weiner. Weiner was INNOCENT of the "underage" charges that they wanted the #Bornfree crew to bite on. The whole point was to false-flag them and get them to divert attention away from Weiner's real sexting by blowing up this fake story and allowing Weiner to appear like a persecuted martyr (which would enable him to go on the offensive).
Posted by: Jeff B. at June 17, 2011 11:24 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: Steph at June 17, 2011 11:25 PM (AkdC5)
Posted by: ace at June 17, 2011 11:25 PM (nj1bB)
Why talk to the bornfree crew intitially and implicate Weiner?
It only makes sense if they were trying to take out both Breitbart and Weiner. Which doesn't make that much sense at all. Pre-emptive coverup makes no sense either. It would have been a lot easier to have a private talk with Anthony about his options: Mayor of NYC or Weird Internet Pervert? Pick ONE.
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at June 17, 2011 11:26 PM (agD4m)
Already discussed this -- they existed initially as a way for Weiner (or his people, his fixers, whatever) to infiltrate/keep tabs on/undermine a known, organized group of people who were seriously dogging and stalking Weiner online.
It's just the sort of thing that someone who is obsessively hung-up on his self-image (and what people say about him on the internet) might do.
Posted by: Jeff B. at June 17, 2011 11:26 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: Jollyroger at June 17, 2011 11:26 PM (KLnPr)
Posted by: Damiano at June 17, 2011 11:26 PM (3nrx7)
Posted by: Jeff B. at June 17, 2011 11:28 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: Steph at June 17, 2011 11:28 PM (AkdC5)
Posted by: ace at June 17, 2011 11:28 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Jollyroger at June 17, 2011 11:30 PM (KLnPr)
Posted by: Damiano at June 17, 2011 11:30 PM (3nrx7)
Posted by: Jeff B. at June 18, 2011 03:28 AM (hIWe1)
So, weiner set up the twitter accounts to keep an eye on people he thought were monitoring him, and he kept on sending dicpics, and sexting? If that's the case he's more of a devious fucker than we thought, and stoopider, too.
Posted by: Steph at June 17, 2011 11:30 PM (AkdC5)
Posted by: ace at June 17, 2011 11:31 PM (nj1bB)
Were you listening to what Stranahan said on the show tonight? (Or reading the comments here?) B&V only started pushing the "Weiner's texted awful things to us" story on Mike Stack (and Breitbart) AFTER the dic-pic was accidentally sent.
AFTER.
Think about that. Suddenly they seemed really interested in getting people to bite on the whole "Weiner's doing things with underage girls!" things...AFTER Weiner accidentally tweeted a picture of his junk to someone.
It was transparently an attempt to get people to abandon the REAL story by trying to get them to chase after a fake one, and in doing so destroy themselves.
Posted by: Jeff B. at June 17, 2011 11:34 PM (hIWe1)
I suppose it might just become time to question basic assumptions. How do we know that Betty and Veronica lived in California and attended Hollywood High School, exactly - other than Tommy Christopher and the New York Times tell us so? Was it in Betty or Veronica's now-nuked Twitter feed?
And even if it were included in a Twitter feed, is it not possible that a real teenage someone might pick the name of a more glamorous, well-known high school in order to get a Congressman's attention? Please be my prom date at Washington High School in middle-of-nowhereville, Arkansas doesn't quite have the same ring as at Hollywood High.
Posted by: cinyc at June 17, 2011 11:35 PM (58sOk)
I think the teen girls are real, and once weiner hired his lawyer/security they got them to keep quiet. Then he used fake identities for them for the stories to Christopher.
The only thing I can't figure out is their contacts with Breitbart. Ace, was that before or after the intial story broke?
Posted by: Steph at June 17, 2011 11:35 PM (AkdC5)
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at June 17, 2011 11:36 PM (agD4m)
Posted by: Damiano at June 17, 2011 11:36 PM (3nrx7)
Posted by: Jollyroger at June 17, 2011 11:38 PM (KLnPr)
Posted by: ace at June 17, 2011 11:38 PM (nj1bB)
From a retweet at Ace...
Gennette told Patterico that she was following those girls and #bornfree before she started trying to get weiner to follow her.
This Seattle chick has more to tell.
Posted by: Steph at June 17, 2011 11:39 PM (AkdC5)
Posted by: ace at June 17, 2011 11:39 PM (nj1bB)
This Seattle chick has more to tell.
Posted by: Steph at June 18, 2011 03:39 AM (AkdC5)
~Definitely
Posted by: Storm at June 17, 2011 11:41 PM (AZFgs)
Posted by: ace at June 17, 2011 11:42 PM (nj1bB)
>>>After the Genette pic, V pushed it to Breitbart & Co.
Then this is still in keeping with my theory that "B&V" started off as an attempt to get Weiner's persecutors to blow themselves up by chasing fake allegations, but then turned into something much more urgent (more along the lines of attention-diversion/"make it about Breitbart") after the dic-pic.
I honestly think this (or something recognizably close) is what happened here. I mean, there are definitely other workable theories out there (oh it's all up in the air speculation at this point), but I don't find my version to be a particularly difficult 'reach' in terms of plausible motivation or behavior. Pretty standard-level shadiness, really.
Posted by: Jeff B. at June 17, 2011 11:42 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: Damiano at June 17, 2011 11:42 PM (3nrx7)
Okay, initially V pushed the damning stuff about weiner to Stack. Then the dicpics come out and she goes to Breitbart. Neither Breitbart or Stack fall for anything she's pushing 'cause it doesn't smell right to them, right?
So, they go to Christopher, but this time they try to set up Breitbart, and defend teh weiner.
Fuuuuuuuuuck!
Posted by: Steph at June 17, 2011 11:44 PM (AkdC5)
Posted by: ace at June 17, 2011 11:44 PM (nj1bB)
This is a good counterargument and one that gives me pause.
Posted by: Jeff B. at June 17, 2011 11:45 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: Jollyroger at June 17, 2011 11:46 PM (KLnPr)
Posted by: ace at June 17, 2011 11:47 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Damiano at June 17, 2011 11:49 PM (3nrx7)
http://www.nypost.com/d/weiner/covers_vote.htm
Posted by: Jeff B. at June 17, 2011 11:49 PM (hIWe1)
I think my theory is the best. There really are teen girls who intitially took the story to Breitbart and Stack. Didn't that come out before the Christopher thing?
So, teh weiner gets to them and they go quiet. Then, teh weiner tries the coverup to that part of the story by contacting Christopher who was already defending weiner. That statement either came from teh weiner or Christopher wrote it with the okay of whoever teh mother was claiming to be. I think it was teh weiner people.
Posted by: Steph at June 17, 2011 11:49 PM (AkdC5)
Posted by: Jollyroger at June 17, 2011 11:49 PM (KLnPr)
Posted by: Yeff at June 17, 2011 11:50 PM (TIuoo)
Three possibilities
1) B&V are Weiner creations lying in wait to misdirect.
2) B&V are #bornfree honey pots
3) B&V exist, but subsequent communication from them are fraudulent, from fixers.
Any other possibilities?
Posted by: Molon Labe at June 17, 2011 11:51 PM (pcly4)
Posted by: ace at June 17, 2011 11:51 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Jeff B. at June 17, 2011 11:52 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: Yeff at June 18, 2011 03:50 AM (TIuoo)
Oh, we've been there and back a couple times.
Posted by: Steph at June 17, 2011 11:52 PM (AkdC5)
Posted by: ace at June 17, 2011 11:52 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Jollyroger at June 17, 2011 11:52 PM (KLnPr)
Posted by: Damiano at June 17, 2011 11:53 PM (3nrx7)
Posted by: ace at June 17, 2011 11:53 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: ace at June 18, 2011 03:52 AM (nj1bB)
That sounds very plausible, but why the first contacts to Stack and Breitbart with the implication that teh weiner was doing something bad. Then, a statement to Tommy that teh weiner was innocent. The statement sounds too damn much like what the porn star said weiner suggested to her.
Posted by: Steph at June 17, 2011 11:55 PM (AkdC5)
>>>But that 1, was a tv show, and 2, it didn't work, because you can't fool columbo.
Alright, you've managed to talk me out of my theory (with just one simple observation -- damn you!).
Which leaves us with what? The girls were real, but whomever Tommy Christopher spoke with was a PR-managed Weiner-spinner? If the girls were real, then who was it who tried to get Christopher to run with the accusation that Breitbart and Loesch were trying to get the girls to lie? Was that the mother (who is either altogether bogus, hiding behind fake IDs, or being managed by Weiner's team)? Or was that "the girls"? If so, wouldn't that suggest that the girls were fakes, and not real?
I did like your observation (on Twitter, from someone else) that all the various statements from the girls (including Cordova) took a "blame the harrassers" tactic.
Posted by: Jeff B. at June 17, 2011 11:56 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: Jollyroger at June 17, 2011 11:56 PM (KLnPr)
Posted by: ace at June 17, 2011 11:56 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: ace at June 17, 2011 11:57 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Jollyroger at June 17, 2011 11:59 PM (KLnPr)
Posted by: Storm at June 17, 2011 11:59 PM (AZFgs)
Stranahan says the account was set up in July and teh weiner got married in July.
Well, we do know that his sexting started with the porn star in August, right? When did he start with the cheerleading coach? Was it around the same time?
Did Huma set up that account to try to catch him doing something, and he just happened to tweet his dicpic and get caught?
Posted by: Steph at June 18, 2011 12:00 AM (AkdC5)
Posted by: ace at June 18, 2011 12:01 AM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Damiano at June 18, 2011 12:01 AM (3nrx7)
@311.
OK, so that puts the onus on Betty's mom. She gets the TC request for identification, and shrewdly recognizes she needs to provide fake info to protect herself and her daughter.
That makes for a 1 person "conspiracy" which is immenently more likely than a multi-party conspiracy, especially one which requires Weiner to admit to transitory Capitol Hill staff that he dic-pics people on twitter.
Posted by: Molon Labe at June 18, 2011 12:01 AM (pcly4)
Posted by: Jollyroger at June 18, 2011 12:02 AM (KLnPr)
Posted by: ace at June 18, 2011 03:57 AM (nj1bB)
That's my theory, too.
But, it's possible that the account for the first teen girl was set up by Huma or fuck even Hillary got someone to do it, and teh weiner just happened to tweet his dicpic and the whole damn thing blew up.
Enter the fixers, but some of the women they were trying to fix just wouldn't cooperate.
Posted by: Steph at June 18, 2011 12:04 AM (AkdC5)
Posted by: Jollyroger at June 18, 2011 12:04 AM (KLnPr)
Posted by: ace at June 18, 2011 12:06 AM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Jollyroger at June 18, 2011 12:08 AM (KLnPr)
Posted by: Steph at June 18, 2011 12:09 AM (AkdC5)
Posted by: Storm at June 18, 2011 12:10 AM (AZFgs)
Posted by: Storm at June 18, 2011 04:10 AM (AZFgs)
I think it was real, especially since the vid ended then. Wonder who that was?
Posted by: Steph at June 18, 2011 12:11 AM (AkdC5)
Posted by: Steph at June 18, 2011 12:14 AM (AkdC5)
Posted by: Storm at June 18, 2011 12:14 AM (AZFgs)
Posted by: Storm at June 18, 2011 04:14 AM (AZFgs)
When?
Posted by: Steph at June 18, 2011 12:15 AM (AkdC5)
Posted by: mike at June 18, 2011 12:16 AM (KsI1l)
The reasons for the pulling just raised some flags for me, because it sounded like the press when they try to dismiss someone like AB.
Posted by: Storm at June 18, 2011 12:20 AM (AZFgs)
Posted by: Anthony Donger at June 18, 2011 12:21 AM (uaEZS)
The reasons for the pulling just raised some flags for me, because it sounded like the press when they try to dismiss someone like AB.
Posted by: Storm at June 18, 2011 04:20 AM (AZFgs)
Shit. There has been a nagging question in the back of my mind about Huma since this carp started. I wondered why it was so very important to her that he was a Congressman.
Yeah, tin foil hat, I know.
Posted by: Steph at June 18, 2011 12:23 AM (AkdC5)
Posted by: Steph at June 18, 2011 12:27 AM (AkdC5)
and huffpo wrote about the article getting pulled... in a whatabunchofcrazyideas
sort of way
and then I saw another article online about her mother and another family member being involved with the muslim brotherhood.
if they wanted him to be mayor of gotham city, they might have needed some fixers.
Posted by: Storm at June 18, 2011 12:31 AM (AZFgs)
Posted by: Storm at June 18, 2011 12:44 AM (AZFgs)
Posted by: Survivor at June 18, 2011 12:46 AM (zALLO)
Enter the fixers, but some of the women they were trying to fix just wouldn't cooperate.
Posted by: Steph at June 18, 2011 04:04 AM (AkdC5)
Did the Fixers threaten the women...to go public with their pictures?
But what could they threaten the porn star with... anyone can see pics of her.... had to be something else.
Posted by: Storm at June 18, 2011 01:16 AM (AZFgs)
322 A wife stumbles upon evidence of her husband sexting. She confides to an older trusted friend who has experience with a wayward husband. Older trusted friend says she can help... she knows some Fixers. Fixers set up some honey pot accounts to watch husband. Husband gets caught by others. Fixers try utilize honey pots to distract.
Posted by: Storm at June 18, 2011 03:59 AM (AZFgs)
You mean like the Clintons would try to get full control of the Weiner by blackmail.
Posted by: Temper Tantrum at June 18, 2011 03:16 AM (bAL0J)
Posted by: thunderb at June 18, 2011 03:21 AM (OnkMW)
Posted by: thunderb at June 18, 2011 03:32 AM (OnkMW)
Posted by: thunderb at June 18, 2011 07:32 AM (OnkMW)
Yes , there's still some meat on this bone. A counter team out there of some sort is probable.
Posted by: Temper Tantrum at June 18, 2011 03:51 AM (bAL0J)
If Weiner was this easy to catch, you can be darn sure that foreign agencies knew about his proclivities. It is quite possible that a foreign power wanted him removed.
Two choices:
1. Because of his Security Clearance he got information he was pasing to Huma, whose mother is Pakistani and lives in Jedda, Saudi Arabia. (Why Huma is privy to most State Department information with this dubious contact, I do not understand, but I digress). In this scenario, Israel would want him out of the information loop and would have concocted a plot using a honey trap in order to get him gone. (To those who think this is too convoluted, I offer the Stuxnet program as an example of Mossad's elegant work.)
2. Someone in the Middle East wanted Weiner gone, as apparently he is a big Israel supporter. Enter sleeper agent Huma (who is NEVER questioned on her loyalties). She lures him into marriage (with the temptation of being in the big leagues due to Huma's Clinton connections) and immediately sets up the fake accounts to trap him. Supporting this evidence is that the Huma-Weiner marriage did not attract any rantings from the imams, who would have been expected to at least rant, if not issue a fatwa against them both.
There is definitely something extremely strange about all of these disappearing/imaginary people. I am only offering two alternate possibilities.
Posted by: Miss Marple at June 18, 2011 03:56 AM (Fo83G)
If you do provide cover, like Terry Christopher, see the fourth word of this comment.
Posted by: Jack at June 18, 2011 04:00 AM (kCT7A)
I figure that if a dude can masquerade as busty Arab lesbian then why is it such a mystery that the same couldn't be true for anyone wanting a piece of weiner action/carnage.
Now that we can get theoretical about it: Who knows, maybe it was one of weiners in-laws.
Posted by: Theory Slut at June 18, 2011 04:07 AM (VMcEw)
I also don't really care anymore. I mean, maybe an interesting postscript, but Weiner hanged himself with his own rope several times over regardless of any skullduggery.
Posted by: Jeff B. at June 17, 2011 11:51 PM (hIWe1)
Count me in the Jeff B camp on this. The details at this point have become inconsequential. But I will note that everything said about this escapade still carries a double meaning.
"Weiner hanged himself with his own rope." Heh.
Posted by: Minuteman at June 18, 2011 04:07 AM (bK0e2)
Posted by: TendStl at June 18, 2011 04:08 AM (N0z1T)
Posted by: thunderb at June 18, 2011 04:08 AM (OnkMW)
Posted by: Stu-22 at June 18, 2011 04:09 AM (k4bdL)
It has always been interesting to me that a marriage between a nominal muz (raised in SA with an islamic "scholar" father) and a nominal Jew was never considered to be worth any comment. Guess I forgot what a tolerant religion of peace is really like. As I understand it, blackmail is always a real concern for those that have access to sensitive US intelligence information, and as a Congressman, Wiener had just that (directly of indirectly).
I forgot, he was a dem and Huma was in the Clintonista circle, so I guess there was a double "nothing to see here--move along" aura about this relationship.
Posted by: Hrothgar at June 18, 2011 04:09 AM (yrGif)
Posted by: thunderb at June 18, 2011 08:08 AM (OnkMW)
I think they never worry about the crime, because they would have to be mad at almost the entire dem side of the House. Lying where you might get caught and exposed (so to speak)--now that IS a problem!
Posted by: Hrothgar at June 18, 2011 04:13 AM (yrGif)
Posted by: thunderb at June 18, 2011 04:18 AM (OnkMW)
Posted by: 1984 Rules at June 18, 2011 04:42 AM (wOaLi)
Posted by: Thereddianthus at June 18, 2011 04:50 AM (KqUSP)
Posted by: toby928™ at June 18, 2011 05:02 AM (GTbGH)
Posted by: toby928™ at June 18, 2011 09:02 AM (GTbGH)
Yeah. This confuses me as well. So are there 2 'fake' girls and a 'real' one?
Posted by: momma at June 18, 2011 05:08 AM (nWikJ)
Posted by: Tami at June 18, 2011 05:10 AM (X6akg)
Here is a link to the google cache of the Washington Times article posted and promptly pulled:
Anthony Weiner and Huma Abedin: Married to a Muslim agenda?
http://tinyurl.com/5tx99oz
Posted by: Thereddianthus
From the linked article:
The question that begs to be asked, however, is, has Huma been groomed to access leading political movers and shakers to advance the cause of Islam in America, including a politically positioned marriage to Congressman Anthony Weiner?
If that is so, Anthony Weiner may be proven to be the weak link in a pro-Muslim political agenda.
And the final test of that may be in Huma AbedinÂ’s reactions to her husbandÂ’s lack of moral principals.
Interesting points made there.
Posted by: sTevo at June 18, 2011 05:13 AM (VMcEw)
Posted by: Tami at June 18, 2011 09:10 AM (X6akg)
Nothing to see here (just another Dem pervert Congressman)--move along!
Posted by: Hrothgar at June 18, 2011 05:13 AM (yrGif)
Posted by: Lincolntf at June 18, 2011 05:13 AM (Z05lF)
1. A sign of internicine warfare in the democrats
2. An indication of the lengths democrats will go to to take out Andrew Breitbart
3. A foreign intelligence agency is taking out sitting Congressmen
4. The media is a bunch of incompetent lefties and jackasses (this actually applies whether you believe theory 1, 2, or 3)
Posted by: Miss Marple at June 18, 2011 05:16 AM (Fo83G)
Posted by: Lincolntf at June 18, 2011 05:19 AM (Z05lF)
We should care because there is a cover up going on that goes above Anthony Weiner.
There are four real girls, which has been verified. B and V came to attention before the photos, but Breitbart sat on the story. The first dic pic came out and B and V were revealed as possibly being involved. The weird family statement was next by V's parents justifying their daughters' contact with Weiner and Ginger Lee, saying it was all innocent and containing factual errors. Then Tommy Christopher interviewed a source confirming the factually inaccurate statement. He refuses to reveal how he confirmed his source. Last, the NY Times says that they cannot confirm the information given to them by Christopher and implying B and V are fictitious. All they have proved is that Christopher's source, who was trying to exonerate Weiner, was bogus.
It matters because the bogus source was part of a coverup. I thought Schumer engineered the cover up, but I realize now that is teh stuupid. Huma is on Clinton's staff. Who has more expertize dealing with "bimbo" erruptions than the Clintons? Heck, who married the Weiners?
Posted by: thunderb at June 18, 2011 05:31 AM (OnkMW)
Posted by: Lincolntf at June 18, 2011 05:32 AM (Z05lF)
Posted by: Sexy corsets at June 18, 2011 05:35 AM (+Jkoh)
374 This story hurts my head. Can someone explain why I should care about this?
Posted by: Tami at June 18, 2011 09:10 AM (X6akg)
The case has still too many contradictions to be forgotten.
And it's not about the dick pics, it's about the liberal system covering it up.
Posted by: Temper Tantrum at June 18, 2011 05:42 AM (bAL0J)
Posted by: Jim Treacher at June 18, 2011 05:46 AM (QTr+K)
I think this "fixer" stuff is a little over the top. I think the term trolling demystifies all that. Want to be a fixer? Open a twitter account as a young woman and start following a congressman.
The fake ID and Breitbart stuff does seem kind of like spy vs. spy stuff but probably only because of what we don't know yet.
Posted by: PmZey at June 18, 2011 06:00 AM (pmzey)
Posted by: Big Tony at June 18, 2011 06:26 AM (BkQvr)
No further Weiner stories will be posted here, same as no Michelle Obama stories will be posted here. Because I cannot trust commenters with them.
Posted by: REALLY???? at June 18, 2011 07:31 AM (WB46i)
Are you trying to make a point here, mac? Are you disappointed that the owner has relented, or pleased, or what exactly?
Posted by: toby928™ at June 18, 2011 08:03 AM (GTbGH)
87 "Who could it be? If not anti-Weiner conservatives, how about one of his potential rivals for the NYC mayor's race?"
Too complicated. First you'd have to be well enough connected to know the rumors, savvy enough about new media to execute the plan (and only someone who's been burned like this REALLY knows how bad it is), and then to throw suspicion off yourself you'd have to publicly defend Weiner while offering such ridiculous excuses for his behavior that the media couldn't help but turn him into a buffoon.
That said, enjoy the steak knives, Anthony.
Posted by: AlecayAldwinbay at June 18, 2011 08:17 AM (G7Jng)
With the media, first we had JPod talking trash about his own side; and then we found out that a Pacific Coast "journalist" in training named Gennette Cordoba was, coincidentally, a groupie.
This says a lot about our journalists - they're a bunch of status-climbing shills for our Betters, with no ethics. That's why we need Breitbart to drop floaters in the media's punchbowl.
Posted by: Zimriel at June 18, 2011 08:41 AM (yb01D)
I'm not wading through all these comments, but wondered if anyone mentioned that "Nikki Reed" is the name of a lonnnnnnnnnnnnnng-running character on The Young & The Restless?
I denounce myself.
Posted by: RushBabe at June 18, 2011 09:27 AM (Ew27I)
Posted by: seattle545 at June 19, 2011 11:14 PM (NUnGN)
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