1

And...

she's still hot!

2 Here we go......

And they're off!

3 O/T:  The aol main page has "you've got" archbishop timothy dolan talking about ash wednesday.  I can't for the life of me figure out how to link you all to it, it's interesting even if you aren't Catholic.

4 New definition of "feminist". Marxist with a clit.

5 Ha, this ought to be good. Hollowpoint and Jeff B. will be here soon to straighten out this blasphemy!

6 In a surprise move during the pre-primary season. Ace throws gasoline white gas ether on a smoldering fire.


_{Yes it is a good article.
Yes Palin is that much of a threat to there meme.
but
Yes they were successful in ruining her.}

7

Academic Wendy Doniger opined, “Palin’s greatest hypocrisy is her pretense that she is a woman.”

Wendy Doniger.  http://tinyurl.com/4ugmugm

Now that's a woman.

8 Anybody got a bandaid? I was opening this can of sardines and- Wow....that is a lot of blood. So, anybody? Bandaid? Bandage? Gosh, I'm feeling kinda whoozy here. Kinda....just.... Awww man, I bled on my sardines!

9 Her patent fecundity had something to do with it in a very weird way.

10

I'm not entirely convinced that a feminist movement was ever needed. Ditto other things like unions and abolition. Most of those "movements" are simply energetic overreactions to social forces that are already in flux. There was a women's movement because the place of women in society was already changing. There was an abolition movement because the morality of slavery was already being questioned. There was a union movement because a previously agrarian world was grappling with emerging industrialization. The movements, ironically enough, undercut their stated goals from the moment of their inception by agitating (sometimes violently and always stridently) for their Moral Cause and -- in a world that was trying to adapt itself to a changing order -- ended up alienating and stunting growth in that direction.

Feminism creates unnatural women and it has designed unnatural relationships between men and women, women and children, work and families. I think it was unhealthy and unnecessary 100 years ago and it still is.

11 4 New definition of "feminist". Marxist with a clit. Posted by: maddogg at March 09, 2011 01:36 PM (OlN4e) Don't say clit to a Muslim.

12 Wasn't there a post about a book written about the pussification of men of which there is a direct correlation to the women's movement.

btw, the women's movement only applies to liberal/democratic women and some independents.  It does not apply to conservative women who, coincidentally, along with some independent women, seem to be the only ones able to pull it off with aplomb in accordance with its original intent.

13 New definition of "feminist". Marxist with a clit.


Marxclist.

14 In the election of 08 I was disheartened at McPain being the nominee and resigned to Obama's winning the Whitehouse . . . until I saw the Palin speech. FINALLY, something, sombody with some sense in the McCain camp. YES.

Finally, someone calling out Obama for what he was, a junior Senator with a big ego and a terrorist pal in the neighborhood.

Sarah's got the goods. She's not real silver-tongued, but she's real.

15

Posted by: Cicero at March 09, 2011 01:37 PM (QKKT0)

That is a woman? Hell, all this time I was under the impression they looked a little more like a human and a little less like a grub worm in glasses and a moomoo.

16 Cicero -- you totally clicked for the hi res image, didn't you.

17 We're clipping along at slightly more than one comment per minute here, people.

This is not the AoSHQ Palin thread I knew.

18 Isn't she giving speeches in India and China?

19

The problem with Palin to both sides isn't that she can't go toe to toe with most of any of them intellectually.  That's not to say she is brilliant or even very smart.  It is only to say that she is at least as smart as anyone either party has put out there, and she's attractive in multiple ways; ways that piss a lot of people off in an obviously visceral way.

I love her (in a naughty adolescent, raging hormonal sort of way).

20 Let me help you out, Andy. Palin is unelectable.

21

New definition of "feminist". Marxist with a clit.

I always called them "femicommunist" rather than "feminazi" for that reason.

22 And Palin so scared the Left that the JournoList immediately mobilized to take her down (and not, you'll note, McCain).

23 She spoke of Obama as if he were not, in fact, an earthbound god, but an unqualifed, shady pretender, a figure not ripe for worship but for lampooning; and therefore she threatened the chances of a liberal winning the White House.

Please don't every forget this.  Palin was the one that upset the applecart of St. Barry.  She dared question him, to call out the Emperor's New Clothes, but in this case, rather than a man with no suit, there was a suit with no man.

Representing conservatism, oil production, motherhood, right-to-life, low taxes and a free market were the deeper threats, but Palin was the voice that broke the silence and pointed out that Barack Hussein Obama was a nothing and ridiculed him for it.

Ridicule is what the Left needs.  It punctures their pomposity.

24 I don't know that Sarah Palin is ruined for '12.  I don't know that she's not, either.  I do know that we won't know for sure until and unless she runs and we see how the Primary goes.

That said, I suspect she damaged for this very reason: for some reason I can't fathom, a large number of women seem to hate her.  This leads the men in their lives also to dislike her.

And I'm not sure how that issue gets addressed...

25 timothy dolan talking about ash wednesday.  I can't for the life of me figure out how to link you all to it, it's interesting even if you aren't Catholic.

He's surprisingly upbeat. Takes me a minute to get used to. I need more guilt!

26 You describe those 2 weeks very well. That is a key component of the hatred. Their liberal life dream flashed before their eyes when they took the lead. Luckily for the left, Lehman Brothers collapsed and it was all down hill from there.

27 Let me help you out, Andy.

Palin is unelectable.

Hahahahaha.

*Ducks all sorts of shit being thrown at MJ*

28
Palin is electable. She's the feisty lady next door with cleavage and finger sandwiches. High energy level.

OB is the droning professor at the front of the class who is absolutely sure he's smarter than just about everybody.

29 Of course, almost everything that Palin and the speechwriters said about The God's presidency came true.

30 Modern day feminism is just like any other identity based political movement; it's entire existence is predicated on grievance and embracing victimhood. Women aren't institutionally discriminated against or held back in any field with the only exception being military combat units where the physical differences would get people killed (and at some point political correctness will defeat that and people will get killed.)  Today's professional feminists are nothing more than self-pitying crybabies who blame men for everything and attack women that don't agree with such hysterical nonsense. Palin doesn't, she's attractive and successful, and so she is despised by these awful harpies.

31

Let me help you out, Andy.

Palin is unelectable.

You know, some of us would prefer an unelectable clear choice to another "go along to get along" Republi-sellout. Yes, Mitt, that's you. Even Huckabee realizes he stepped in it in 2008 and hs been backpedaling ever since.

That said, if someone with Sarah's message but more electable comes along, s/he has my support.

Case closed.

32

I'm not entirely convinced that a feminist movement was ever needed. Ditto other things like unions and abolition. Most of those "movements" are simply energetic overreactions to social forces that are already in flux. There was a women's movement because the place of women in society was already changing. There was an abolition movement because the morality of slavery was already being questioned. There was a union movement because a previously agrarian world was grappling with emerging industrialization. The movements, ironically enough, undercut their stated goals from the moment of their inception by agitating (sometimes violently and always stridently) for their Moral Cause and -- in a world that was trying to adapt itself to a changing order -- ended up alienating and stunting growth in that direction.

Feminism creates unnatural women and it has designed unnatural relationships between men and women, women and children, work and families. I think it was unhealthy and unnecessary 100 years ago and it still is.

There was a need. My mom told me that in the 1940 and 1950's, she was not allowed to have her name on a bank account, home, car or any other loan, without her husband's name included. Women who were single and needed to work were looked upon as unfortunate, or, if they actually enjoyed working and earning their own money, there was something very, very wrong with them. Also, women were expected to be in subservient jobs (secretary, nurse, teacher, waitress) and it was expected that they would quit those jobs once they married and became completely dependent on their husband.

My mom taught all of her daughters not to be dependent on a man, because, if that man left you for any reason, you were basically screwed.

The women's movement changed that mindset and empowered women as equals, as it should be. But, much like affirmative action, the movement has outlived it's original purpose and now the pendulum has swung too far in the other direction.

33 sigh.

34 Palin is not unelectable. Zero proved that term meaningless. She could come back. Circumstances play a large part. time will tell. Nobody is saying Newt is unelectable, but I would sooner vote for a shithouse rat.

35

You know, some of us would prefer an unelectable clear choice to another "go along to get along" Republi-sellout. Yes, Mitt, that's you. Even Huckabee realizes he stepped in it in 2008 and hs been backpedaling ever since.

That said, if someone with Sarah's message but more electable comes along, s/he has my support.

Case closed.

I still see Sarah's role in the primaries as raising the bar for all the other GOP wannabes. She can engage them in debate and make them actually state their position or look like fools.

And, if that's the case, her role is priceless.

36 Newt is unelectable.

37 Nobody is saying Newt is unelectable, but I would sooner vote for a shithouse rat.

Posted by: maddogg at March 09, 2011 01:46 PM (OlN4e)

The difference being?

38

Palin, Alan West, Michelle Bachman, Herman Cain etc. all represent the end of the road for the grievence industry.

Al Sharpton and Gloria Steinem hardest hit.

 

39 ** she reminds them of those weeks of terror, the same way you'll always be reminded of a death if you see the person responsible for it. It's emotionally wrenching just to be reminded that for three weeks in September and October of 2008, A God Bled.** Indeed, she made fun of the left's super cool boyfriend, and they are totally pissed

40

Nobody is saying Newt is unelectable, but I would sooner vote for a shithouse rat.

Say what? Newt needs to bow out. He has more skeletons in his closet than Rudy did and he bought into the climate hoax.

41
Newt's problem is not his ideas or the fact he shared a couch with Nancy Pelosi.

His problem is his big Gerber Baby Head and whiny high pitched voice.

I said it.

42

Tammy Bruce says that organized feminism is not about women. It's about progressivism.

If women's issues are useful, then women are the issue. If women's issues are irrelevant, then something else is important.

If women's issues conflict with progressivism, the women in question are demonized--see Palin, or ignored--see the real Duke rape case (Katie Rouse)--whose rape did not support the lax hoax narrative and who was ignored by her previously-raging sisters.

43 Since our Intrade troll is on vacation it falls to me to say Romney at 25%, Pawlenty 16%, Daniels 11%, and Huckabee at 9% are ahead of Palin with 7%.  If those are my 5 choices come Texas primary day my vote is for the snowbilly.

44

The difference being?

Posted by: Tami at March 09, 2011 01:48 PM (VuLos)

The difference being that no self respecting shithouse rat would do a commercial for global warming sitting cosily on a bench with Botox Nan.

45

Palin, Alan West, Michelle Bachman, Herman Cain etc. all represent the end of the road for the grievence industry.

I wish this were true, but sadly, these brave people immediately lose their gender or ethnicity, and are electronically raped or lynched by the Left MFM. See Thomas, Clarence.

46 The Feminists have become just another co-op group for the Democrap Party. Their biggest interest is maintaining abortion on demand. All else is secondary to that.

47 44 I'd like to see Sarah as heading the Energy Department in the coming (R) White House.

This

48 Hi kids. Just a friendly reminder of who the Democrats are: SPRINGFIELD – Gov. Quinn today signed landmark legislation to repeal the state’s death penalty and commuted the death sentences of the 15 men currently on death row. The governor’s highly anticipated move adds Illinois to 15 other states that have abolished the death penalty since the late 1970s. “I felt once the decision was made to sign the law abolishing the death penalty, it should be abolished for all,” Quinn said of commuting the existing death sentences.

49

Ace:  It's emotionally wrenching just to be reminded that for three weeks in September and October of 2008, A God Bled.

This.  This is why Sarah Palin will always have a place in my heart, and why I will always react negatively to Palin bashing.

Yeah, I don't expect Rah Rah Rah!!! cheerleading for her.  But the fact that she cut Obama, and made it clear that he wasn't a god, a machine, a messiah, but just a man... will never be forgotten by me.

You don't have to like her.  But if you diss her, you're getting onto my shit list.

Hell, a guy can support Huckabee or Romeny or anyone and I don't really give a shit.

But if you shit on my hero (not criticize, but shit on)... I'm not gonna like it.

("you" refering to no one in particular.  Just the generic "you".)

 

50

The difference being that no self respecting shithouse rat would do a commercial for global warming sitting cosily on a bench with Botox Nan.

Posted by: maddogg at March 09, 2011 01:49 PM (OlN4e)

Oh yeah...that's true. 

51 Maybe we could find someone who is 5'2", so pale you could almost see through him, and has socks older than Obama. Just sayin'.

52 Seriously, people, "progressive" = Communist. Whenever you hear that word, lock and load.

53 Well, Mallick did call it correctly regarding Levi Johnson.

I'll give her that.

54 What about Chris Christie? (I thought I would throw that out, because every post about him is really about her -- somehow. So, I thought I would return the favor.)

55 Posted by: curious at March 09, 2011 01:40 PM (k1rwm)

She's speaking in India next week for India Today, which is kind of a right-leaning Indian version of The Economist. Clinton spoke there once in the past and she's sharing the stage with Prime Minister Singh, Mohammed El-Baradei, Niall Ferguson, and a bunch of other important people, so it's kind of a big deal.

She spoke in Hong Kong over a year ago, but I'm not aware of anything upcoming in China.

56 If you want to understand the Left, I STRONGLY advise you read the book "The Dark Side of the Left: Illiberal Egalitarianism in America."

Prof. Ellis goes back to John Brown to show how movements that start off promoting equality of all (like Abolitionism) can and do devolve when certain of their leaders decide that things are going too slowly and that violence is the only way to speed things up.  Along the way, anyone in the movement who expresses doubt or questions the leader's dogma becomes the object of criticism, ostracism and even (literally) murderous purges.

Leftist egalitarian (civil rights and economic justice) movements almost always turn their former allies or those who refuse their help into their primary enemies and targets.  Clarence Thomas became the worst enemy of civil rights groups and Sarah Palin became the worst enemy of feminist groups because their mere existence exposed those groups' dogma as false and divorced from reality.

(An aside: we saw this recently in the devolution of LGF.)

57 Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 09, 2011 01:48 PM (ujg0T)

It think the question is this: where are people getting the idea that she's unelectable?

Is it really from other conservatives (saying, specifically, that they won't vote for her), or is it from the MBM saying they won't vote for her (anyone who claims to speak for the mushy middle this far out from an election is an idiot)?

If the latter (and she runs), then we should ignore it, decide if her positions agree with ours to a greater or lesser extent than the other hopefuls, and vote accordingly.  If the former, she needs to bow out and keep sniping from Facebook and Twitter.

Here's the deal, I've never heard a Conservative voice a substantive complaint about her that two minutes with Google couldn't disprove.  I've heard some of the women say she annoys them.  I've seen guys complain that "she whines," or "plays the girl card."  I've seen people make the (laughable) claim that she's not intellectual enough or that she doesn't talk about substantive policy issues.

Now, if that first group hates her because of something about her- then we need to move on.  If they hate her because of how the media portrays her, they need to get over it and start making decisions based in the brain, not in the gut.

Applying this same logic to Newt: he's unelectable and needs to bow out.  He's lost the social con crowd (the affair while impeaching Clinton kind of did that), he's bought into AGW.  He's toast if anyone actually looks at his positions since about 2006.

58 Are we back on our "candidates" for 2012 again.  Repeat from this morning:

Jonah Goldberg on the 2012 Republican Primary field

And now we enter the mope-y phase of the GOP presidential contest. The gloom takes many forms, but foremost is the fear that the field taking shape might be the one weÂ’re stuck with.

ItÂ’s like that feeling you get when youÂ’re starving and you go into a restaurant. At first everything on the menu looks great, until you have to make your choice and you realize thereÂ’s nothing you actually want to eat.

Pence was looking good on Fox this morning and he also has a good record.  Bachman also looks good and the Party big-wigs are trying to destroy her just like Palin. That has to be good for something. 

59 Clinton proved feminism was simply a crude political tool used by the Left rather than a deeply held philosophical belief. In much the same way, Obama is proving that race is no more than a political tool to shut down democratic debate. I'm kind of hoping the next Democrat to win the White House will be a dolphin or humpback whale so we can finally dismiss eco-crap for the load of BS that it is.

60 Considering the daily serial abuse, torture and enslavement of MUSLIM women by Muslim Men, the silence and tacit approval of this by the so-called western feminist movement is deafening. Their continued suffering is the shame of he Steinem's of this world. Then again, there is a nexus between Progressivism and Islam so the silence is totally understandable.

61 She can engage them in debate and make them actually state their position or look like fools.


She's missing the first debate.

62 30 % of the voters are people of the right and thereabouts

30 % of the voters are leftards and their ilk

40 % of those who vote get their instructions from Jon Stewart, David Letterman, how attractive the candidate is and the random choice they make on the ballot.

63

In their heads rent free 24/7.

She drives the left insane and I love it. You can almost see the spittle flying from their lips as they pound away at the keyboard with words like dumb, stupid, doesn't know anything and for proof they always go back to the couric interview. She's not the same gal today that she was 3 years ago.

64

I don't buy that Palin is unelectable.  I do believe that the meme against her has been swallowed hook, line, and sinker by a lot of people.  I do believe there is an effort to "bandwagon" the idea that she is unelectable.  I do believe the left is completely scared to death of her, and that speaks volumes to me.  I do believe that she's a huge threat to the elite right which also says something.

So, as I try to reconcile the two facts that - "some say she is unelectable" and "the left, and elite right, are horrified by her", the fact that so many fear her wins out with me.  I remember that people ridiculed and feared Reagan in much the same way.

65 Since no one has mentioned this yet,

I'd Hit It.  She's a beautiful woman.

66

#37

Nobody is saying Newt is unelectable, but I would sooner vote for a shit house rat.

Posted by: maddogg at March 09, 2011 01:46 PM (OlN4e)

The difference being?

"I wouldn't trust Newt in a shit house with a mussle on".

67 54 Well, Mallick did call it correctly regarding Levi Johnson.

I'll give her that.
Posted by: Holdfast

Why?  Because he didn't pay for Bristol to have an abortion?  Other than that I don't see why Mallick would have a problem with Levi.

68 Ok - the feminist movement was flushed down the toilet. But, the smell remains.

69

There's an email going around with cute pictures of weird fuzzy animals.  At the end, there's a picture of, you guessed it!  The "Alaskan Dingbat."  And no, the photo is not of Mercowsky.  It's a bait and switch from libs who think they're so clever.

The hate is strong.

70 I still think that when they see Sarah Palin, she reminds them of those weeks of terror, the same way you'll always be reminded of a death if you see the person responsible for it. It's emotionally wrenching just to be reminded that for three weeks in September and October of 2008, A God Bled.

This is why I think Palin has been very smart to shut the media out of her paid speaking gigs, avoid high profile interviews with unfriendly reporters, tease the public with tweets and Facebook updates... because it creates more traffic and makes the event more newsworthy when she finally does when she runs. There is no doubt she runs ("If I die, I die.") Liberals will always give her a platform, because they think they've got her on the ropes. She knows they're giddy at the prospect of her as the nominee -- and I'm not sure she should be -- so, Palin plays them to a degree. On some gut level, she scares the fuck out of liberals. I think it's good for the GOP if she runs.

71

"Nobody is saying Newt is unelectable, but I would sooner vote for a shit house rat. "

I'd vote for anybody, even a shit house rat over Obama.

72 I'd like to see Sarah as heading the Energy Department in the coming (R) White House. Kicking ass, getting drilling approved, creating jobs, having a national goal of energy independence (or at least complete independence from 'troubled' countries) and setting a timetable for that goal. She could be a force for real change and it is a position that would enhance her resume by 1000%. Posted by: Downscaled Upscale That is a brilliant suggestion. I would add to that Allen West as Sec Def, if he isn't on the ballot as P or VP. John Bolton as Sec State, natch. Ted Nugent as Secretary of the Interior. I could be happy with that.

73 I wouldn't trust Newt in a shit house with a mussle on

Please explain meaning of this. Russian mind cannot compute.

74 Posted by: Downscaled Upscale at March 09, 2011 01:49 PM (IhHdM)

I agree that if she doesn't run she should have a cabinet position in the next Repub administration, but why Energy? The energy department's main concern is nuclear power and fuel, which isn't her forte.

Interior would be a far better fit. Drilling, land management, wildlife management, all areas she's an expert in.

75

Ha, this ought to be good. Hollowpoint and Jeff B. will be here soon to straighten out this blasphemy!

What blasphemy?  There's no question that the "feminists" who should have been cheering the pick of a female VP candidate instead reacted with rage merely because she's a conservative.

That doesn't make her a viable pick in 2012 (she's not), but she did- even if unintentionally- help expose the hypocrisy of the "feminist" left.

What I've said pretty much from the day she resigned as governor is that her best (and at this point, only) useful role is one who can help rally the base.  My frustration with her as of late is that she's strayed from that, instead preferring self-promotion and unnecessary drama. 

That, and her diehard fans are annoying, obnoxious, and delusional.

76 Last weekend, the British historian Paul Johnson gave an interview to the Wall Street Journal.  He believes that America is by no means down for the count because of people like the TEA Party Movement and Sarah Palin who refuse to knuckle under and follow the liberal dogma that the Left tries to force upon us all.

The opening segment of the interview piece:

In his best-selling history of the 20th century, "Modern Times," British historian Paul Johnson describes "a significant turning-point in American history: the first time the Great Republic, the richest nation on earth, came up against the limits of its financial resources." Until the 1960s, he writes in a chapter titled "America's Suicide Attempt," "public finance was run in all essentials on conventional lines"—that is to say, with budgets more or less in balance outside of exceptional circumstances.

"The big change in principle came under Kennedy," Mr. Johnson writes. "In the autumn of 1962 the Administration committed itself to a new and radical principle of creating budgetary deficits even when there was no economic emergency." Removing this constraint on government spending allowed Kennedy to introduce "a new concept of 'big government': the 'problem-eliminator.' Every area of human misery could be classified as a 'problem'; then the Federal government could be armed to 'eliminate' it."

Twenty-eight years after "Modern Times" first appeared, Mr. Johnson is perhaps the most eminent living British historian, and big government as problem-eliminator is back with a vengeance—along with trillion-dollar deficits as far as the eye can see. I visited the 82-year-old Mr. Johnson in his West London home this week to ask him whether America has once again set off down the path to self-destruction. Is he worried about America's future?

"Of course I worry about America," he says. "The whole world depends on America ultimately, particularly Britain. And also, I love America—a marvelous country. But in a sense I don't worry about America because I think America has such huge strengths—particularly its freedom of thought and expression—that it's going to survive as a top nation for the foreseeable future. And therefore take care of the world."

Pessimists, he points out, have been predicting America's decline "since the 18th century." But whenever things are looking bad, America "suddenly produces these wonderful things—like the tea party movement. That's cheered me up no end. Because it's done more for women in politics than anything else—all the feminists? Nuts! It's brought a lot of very clever and quite young women into mainstream politics and got them elected. A very good little movement, that. I like it." Then he deepens his voice for effect and adds: "And I like that lady—Sarah Palin. She's great. I like the cut of her jib."

The former governor of Alaska, he says, "is in the good tradition of America, which this awful political correctness business goes against." Plus: "She's got courage. That's very important in politics. You can have all the right ideas and the ability to express them. But if you haven't got guts, if you haven't got courage the way Margaret Thatcher had courage—and [Ronald] Reagan, come to think of it. Your last president had courage too—if you haven't got courage, all the other virtues are no good at all. It's the central virtue."

77

It think the question is this: where are people getting the idea that she's unelectable?

Is it really from other conservatives (saying, specifically, that they won't vote for her), or is it from the MBM saying they won't vote for her (anyone who claims to speak for the mushy middle this far out from an election is an idiot)?

The MFM has power, sadly. See Quayle, Dan. See also comment #63, which nails it.

Just because something is a disgusting smear and lie, like what happened to Dan and Sarah, doesn't mean it does not exist.

78 It think the question is this: where are people getting the idea that she's unelectable? --------------------- Mostly from the fact that she retains the perception of saying too many things that make her election cannon fodder. When the discussion is mainly about correcting the record, whether true or not, the possibility of election is over. I like her. I like her positions. I feel terrible that she was subject to being knifed in the front and the back, but she's not our gal.

79 Other than that I don't see why Mallick would have a problem with Levi.

Posted by: Dang at March 09, 2011 01:59 PM (TXKVh)

Because deadbeat dads are the lowest form of life on earth, and committed liberals know they look bad lionizing one. Ted Kennedy killed a woman, but that was better than fathering a bastard and ignoring it.

80 Newt can kiss my ass, and if his latest wife gets sick, I've got a pretty good shot (except he likes the younger ones.).

81

What I've said pretty much from the day she resigned as governor is that her best (and at this point, only) useful role is one who can help rally the base.  My frustration with her as of late is that she's strayed from that, instead preferring self-promotion and unnecessary drama. 

That, and her diehard fans are annoying, obnoxious, and delusional.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 09, 2011 02:01 PM (SY2Kh)

What, you're pissed at her because she's not staying barefoot, pregnant and chained to the stove in the RNC's kitchen?  Damn uppity woman!

Have you considered the possibility that she doesn't take her direction on her "only useful role" from commenters on smart military blogs?

82

God Ace why don't you just run back to C4P you misguided idiot.  I'm so sick of your cheerleading for Palin to the exclusion of all others.  Its so annoying and tiresome.

/s

This is something to remember though.  Just as the liberals see her and are driven by their fear of what those 2 weeks almost wrought,  her supporters are driven by the joy those 2 weeks almost wrought.  And they want more of it.  They want it to happen again.  I think others since then have also taken to attacking Obama similarly but never really with the frequency Palin has or at least with not nearly as much coverage.

You just get the feeling that if Romney/Christie/Huckabee/etc. said "X" about Obama, you'd get a mention on the news of "they said X about Obama"  but if Palin says "X" you get a 15 minute segment of "OMG Palin said X about Obama can you believe how stupid and wrong she is for saying such a thing"

I do think her roll this time around should remain as a kingmaker though.  I think her support could get us a much better presidential candidate than we might otherwise end up with.  Also as a kingmaker she'll be free to support and campaign for Governors, Representatives, and Senate candidates allowing us to hopefully flush out more of the squishes in those areas and getting a more conservative congress.

83 She's missing the first debate.


I think she'll have ample opportunity.

84 I don't buy that Palin is unelectable. I'd vote for her in a second, but in the general, I suspect it would be a total wipeout. The base loves her, but the RINOS and Donks hate her guts with the heat of a million suns. I still think she'd do better as a VP candidate at first, and then run on her own accord after a term as VP. Still, I think Romney or Pawlenty would get beaten like a government mule too. That's *really* why I don't want Sarah to run -- she's too valuable to waste on a 2012 election. The only other GOP contender that interests me right now is Haley Barbour, and he's going to have to do some fancy dancing to avoid the shit the Donks will throw at him if he runs.

85 Levi only pretended to give a shit about his kid, because he knew his "career" depended on it. He makes most women want to retch.

86

You just get the feeling that if Romney/Christie/Huckabee/etc. said "X" about Obama, you'd get a mention on the news of "they said X about Obama"  but if Palin says "X" you get a 15 minute segment of "OMG Palin said X about Obama can you believe how stupid and wrong she is for saying such a thing"

Lately, Huck *has* been getting the Palin MFM treatment. Which honestly makes me think a lot better of him.

87 Posted by: momma at March 09, 2011 01:56 PM (penCf)

I think everybody is missing it. Hugh Hewitt called for all the candidates to boycott it (so it's a good bet Mittens will miss it too). Why anybody thought it was a good idea to have a Repub primary debate moderated by hacks from Politico and NBC is beyond me.

88

Why do people feel the need to share violent (nay, merderous) thoughts about people enjoying Secret Service protection?

I don't know is Palin still has this, but Cheney does, and I hear people say he ought to be executed for the mess in the Gulf of Mexico. (I know ... just ... I know. Leave that for another day.)

Do progressives really think they're immune from criminal laws?

89 "...but she's not our gal." She is DEFINITELY "our gal" she just may not be our President.

90

Just because something is a disgusting smear and lie, like what happened to Dan and Sarah, doesn't mean it does not exist.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 09, 2011 02:01 PM (ujg0T)

Very true, especially when there's such a widespread dearth of people with the gonads to stand up and take the heat for calling that something a disgusting smear and a lie.

91 Show me another public figure who could take the sheer amount of abuse Palin's taken and still be not just standing but punching back. Maybe GW Bush. Maybe. Lord knows he took a lot and seemed to just shrug it off. But Palin may have taken more.

92 I want Todd as the First Gentleman.

93

Show me another public figure who could take the sheer amount of abuse Palin's taken and still be not just standing but punching back.

Do cocaine addicts count?

94 Sarah Palin is a breath of fresh air. No one is perfect, but she's the best option I've seen to-date. Direct, persistent, confident, fearless, and yes, unscripted.

95 Ok mare, you're right. I couldn't find a good metaphor, so went with a very stupid phrase. I like her going at it as VP again, and stepping on Biden's cock a few more times. She crushed him in the debate.

96 84 She's missing the first debate.


I think she'll have ample opportunity.

Posted by: mpurinTexas(kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at March 09, 2011 02:04 PM (jxuSt)

I believe several here have insulted that planned debate as a joke due to who is hosting it.  And that they hope a lot of the frontrunning candidates do not go.

97 And in the dark days of Obama's honeymoon in early 2009, hers was the only - the ONLY- voice calling him out for what he is.

98 Wendy Doniger.

Speaking of vomit, imagine reading the Kama Sutra with that beast.

99

Camille Paglia,  presently incognito or hidden away in a bunker somewhere, hit on the shockingly authentic feminist incarnation presented by Palin the morning after her acceptance speech.

The upshot of PDS is that Palin and Trump have 99% name recognition,  Huckabee and Newt just 90%,  Christie a mere 63%, TPaw an unknown at 51%.

Christie has fallen behing the One in NJ approval ratings.

 

100 I want Todd as the First Gentleman.

Posted by: mare at March 09, 2011 02:07 PM (A98Xu)

FIFM.

101 Sarah Jessica Parker is unelectable. Horses cannot take oaths of office.

102 Because deadbeat dads are the lowest form of life on earth Cheap DNA testing upon request. If the kid ain't mine, I ain't paying. Period. ...and yes, this does happen quite frequently, particularly to married men with wives who cheat. You want child-support? Go find the baby's daddy and get it from him.

103 Show me another public figure who could take the sheer amount of abuse Palin's taken and still be not just standing but punching back. Maybe GW Bush. Maybe. Lord knows he took a lot and seemed to just shrug it off. But Palin may have taken more. ---------------------------- This is the perfect point of why she isn't electable.

104 Sometimes I think we should nominate Palin just to let the media/entertainment/Democrat party know they we're NOT giving them veto power over who we can nominate. And they only have that power if we give it to them. Otherwise, get used to a bland, moderate McCain-like Sure Loser every 4 years.

105 102 I want Todd as the First Gentleman.

Posted by: mare at March 09, 2011 02:07 PM (A98Xu)

FIFM.

Posted by: Tami at March 09, 2011 02:08 PM (VuLos)

Heh I was about to do that...

106 80 Other than that I don't see why Mallick would have a problem with Levi.

Posted by: Dang at March 09, 2011 01:59 PM (TXKVh)

Because deadbeat dads are the lowest form of life on earth, and committed liberals know they look bad lionizing one. Ted Kennedy killed a woman, but that was better than fathering a bastard and ignoring it.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane

Oops.  I was using logic to try and understand a liberal.  I should know better.  Because logically once the father of a child has ponied up the cost of an abortion,  and the woman has chosen to keep the baby,  the father should be off the hook.  Ya know?

107

44 I'd like to see Sarah as heading the Energy Department in the coming (R) White House. Kicking ass, getting drilling approved, creating jobs, having a national goal of energy independence (or at least complete independence from 'troubled' countries)

10 years+ before any results will be felt

108 "Do cocaine addicts count? Posted by: FireHorse at March 09, 2011 02:07 PM (k3RPu)" NO. Performance-enhancing drug.

109

Sometimes I think we should nominate Palin just to let the media/entertainment/Democrat party know they we're NOT giving them veto power over who we can nominate.

THIS, if no one with Sarah's positions and more MFM battling mettle does not show up.

110 SPRINGFIELD – Gov. Quinn today signed landmark legislation to repeal the state’s death penalty and commuted the death sentences of the 15 men currently on death row.

The governorÂ’s highly anticipated move adds Illinois to 15 other states that have abolished the death penalty since the late 1970s.

“I felt once the decision was made to sign the law abolishing the death penalty, it should be abolished for all,” Quinn said of commuting the existing death sentences.

Posted by: George Orwell at March 09, 2011 01:51 PM (AZGON)

The death penalty is racist.  It's not applied enough to people who murder Black people.

Fortunately, with repeal, people who kill Black people no longer even have to worry about that lower risk.  Apparently Illinois thinks it should be open season on the South Side of Chicago,.

111 If Palin's not running, I'd prefer that she play coy about it as long as possible.  It distracts the opposition and makes them waste ammo.

I'd really like if she began taunting the administration on policy with progressing frequency (energy policy is ripe for it, and it's in her wheelhouse), forcing the administration off balance as she's done in the past.

Finally, build it to a major announcement:  If she's running, announce.  If she's not, make the major announcement the final point that this administration is inept, corrupt, and out-of-its-depth.

The Media cannot pass on Sarah Palin-- they are compelled to cover her because they think they can discredit her.  Use that against them and make them part of the anti-Obama platform.

112 Because deadbeat dads are the lowest form of life on earth Cheap DNA testing upon request. If the kid ain't mine, I ain't paying. Period. ...and yes, this does happen quite frequently, particularly to married men with wives who cheat. You want child-support? Go find the baby's daddy and get it from him. ...none of which negates the fact that Levi is a douche. I'm just sayin'. And Bristol hooked up with that douche not once but twice, so how big of a douche does that make her? It takes two people to make the beast with two backs. Guys act like douchebags because many women reward douchebaggy behavior with sex. Whatever you subsidize, you get more of; this is an old conservative axiom.

113
Oops.  I was using logic to try and understand a liberal.  I should know better.  Because logically once the father of a child has ponied up the cost of an abortion,  and the woman has chosen to keep the baby,  the father should be off the hook.  Ya know?

Posted by: Dang at March 09, 2011 02:10 PM (TXKVh)

 

Well, yes.  It sounds heartless, but mandating child support to single women just encourages more of it.

 

114 That said, I suspect she damaged for this very reason: for some reason I can't fathom, a large number of women seem to hate her.  This leads the men in their lives also to dislike her.

And I'm not sure how that issue gets addressed...<<<

Man up?  Take your nards out of her purse?  Keep your political opinions to yourself and vote accordingly, while lying vigorously to the little woman to soothe her vastly unsupported ego?

I'm a chick and this crap drives me crazy.  If her opinions aren't underpinned with logic, ignore them.

115 "...and stepping on Biden's cock a few more times." I love a good cock stomping.

116 I'd like to see Sarah as heading the Energy Department in the coming (R) White House. Kicking ass, getting drilling approved, creating jobs, having a national goal of energy independence (or at least complete independence from 'troubled' countries)

10 years+ before any results will be felt

Actually, by pulling the rug out from under the speculators, effects would be felt immediately. (no, this is not an attack on speculators, they serve a market purpose)

117 Her self-deprecating comment about how being a mayor was sort of like being a community organizer, except with real responsibilities, made me physically leap from my seat.  I've never had such a reaction to any political moment in my 57 years.  I was sure then that she had just won the election by putting that punk in his place.
I will continue to believe that Soros & Co. engineered the banking collapse as an all stops out response to do whatever was necessary to get their commie guy in, since they knew McCain would have no idea how to handle it and would look like a putz trying.
 

118 10 years+ before any results will be felt Posted by: The tired saying said for 30+year But at least in 10 years we would have something-new wells, new refineries, new nuclear power plants-as it stands right now, we are getting nothing, and will have nothing in the future. I would love to see new refineries built, with better engineering and safer conditions than the old behemoths that we have been "allowed" to keep by the freaking EPA types. And Nuclear Energy-sweet, sweet fission.

119

I've got some things I don't like about Palin.

1. she quit

2. her voice and sentence structure make her hard to listen to and understand. I wish she would just start with a thought and finish it instead of adding platitudes and in some instance veering totally off the subject.

3.She hasn't been going in front of the MFM and bitch slapping them. I think she could if she wanted to.

I've got some things I like about her.

1. she has been out in front of about every political debate we've had and proved to be right. Health Care, Food Inflation, Iran protests, Egypt Protests, etc. The rest of the field running has been either timid or late to the party.

2. She isn't afraid to say how she feels about Obama.

3. She is pro energy development and knows a lot about it.

4. she's very pro military although maybe sometimes to quick to want to use it such as a Libya no fly zone.

5. she's strong and not afraid to stike back when she is attacked.

So for me I will wait and see if she runs and what she has to say.

120

Do progressives really think they're immune from criminal laws?

Posted by: FireHorse at March 09, 2011 02:05 PM (k3RPu)

When I'm in charge...hell yes they are

121 A god may have bled on that night but today he his wound has healed and he flaps his wings ever closer to the sun which, it is reported, is experiencing its own form of global warming.

122 Yeah, I like the way Todd pretty much stays out of the limelight and is his own man. I'd like to see a debate between Todd and Michelle....hahahaha

123 If Sarah does run, then Tiny Fey needs to get a long term gig somewhere in Siberia.

To this day, I hear liberals spout "Palin is so stupid, she thinks she can see Russia from her house."

124 Her 2008 VP acceptance speech was electrifying.  For the  48 hours preceding Palin's address, the MSM consensus was that, because of the fact that her unmarried teenage daughter was pregnant, the McCain VP pick was a disaster of historic proportions.  If you look at a video of the speech before Sarah Palin steps onto the stage, you sense a high level of anxiety in the faces of the delegates.

Batter up!

From the npr.org website (LINK heh... heh heh heh) SP's VP acceptance speech  - excerpt:

I've noticed a pattern with our opponent.

Maybe you have, too.

We've all heard his dramatic speeches before devoted followers.

And there is much to like and admire about our opponent.

But listening to him speak, it's easy to forget that this is a man who has authored two memoirs but not a single major law or reform — not even in the state Senate.

This is a man who can give an entire speech about the wars America is fighting and never use the word "victory" except when he's talking about his own campaign. But when the cloud of rhetoric has passed ... when the roar of the crowd fades away ... when the stadium lights go out, and those Styrofoam Greek columns are hauled back to some studio lot — what exactly is our opponent's plan? What does he actually seek to accomplish, after he's done turning back the waters and healing the planet? The answer is to make government bigger ... take more of your money ... give you more orders from Washington ... and to reduce the strength of America in a dangerous world. America needs more energy ... our opponent is against producing it.

Victory in Iraq is finally in sight ... he wants to forfeit.

125 I think there are multiple reasons for women to dislike her.  Some are just being catty.  Some don't like that she's successful.  Some don't like her looks.  Some find her voice and accent annoying.  Some hate that she's a successful woman and has a family, something that they have spent decades thinking was impossible because they bought into feminist bullshit.

126 I think there are multiple reasons for women to dislike her.  Some are just being catty.  Some don't like that she's successful.  Some don't like her looks.  Some find her voice and accent annoying.  Some hate that she's a successful woman and has a family, something that they have spent decades thinking was impossible because they bought into feminist bullshit.

I've said it before, the only women who dislike Palin (that I've encountered) are those who are threatened by her. In other words, women with low self-esteem.

127 Luckily for the left, Lehman Brothers collapsed and it was all down hill from there.

Posted by: Dan at March 09, 2011 01:43 PM (mXBxH)

Lucky, indeed. OPEC had Soros on a retainer for exactly that reason.

RNC speech Sept 5, 2008

$100 billion sucked out of the market in one hour Sept 15, 2008

128

PIMCO is out of US Treasury market meaning QE3 is either off or delayed.  QED  Stocks and Treasuries are in for a brutal summer with $4 dollar gas Obamination is dead meat.

Vote for whomever you really like 'cause beef liver will beat Feral Changeling.

129 Palin unscripted is cringeworthy. She gives awesome speeches, she is likable, but she's got to be quicker on her feet. Obama is not, but he's a liberal.

130

"Newt?"

Who names their kid after a "small and usually bright-colored semi-aquatic salamander?"

Well, I guess if elected, he would be our new Salamander-in-Chief . . . yuk, yuk.

No way would I vote for a "newt" for president. I mean, this is supposed to be the most powerful country in the world. Right? So, how are we supposed to strike fear into the hearts of our enemies when they're on the floor laughing about the president's name?

After "Barrack!!" (excuse me a little gas there) Hussien Glowbama I imagine a lot of us are just a little tired of our leader having a stupid name.

And, Newt looks like an overweight Man from Glad. I think Sarah Palin is far more (d)electable than Newt.

 

131 Palin throws out the gender card quite often only in a slightly less confrotational manner. Im sure all those mamma grizzlies and hockey moms would have to agree. But what do I know because I'm just a knuckle dragging neandrthal. I know Palin didn't call me that . She just left it up to others to do it.

132 "Sarah's With Me: 2012"

133 As other's have pointed out here, will the GOP nominee be treated any differently than Palin?  They are emboldened each time they are allowed to take a scalp.  Look at the last few election cycles.  The MFM is not even trying to cover their bias any longer.  Whoever the GOP nominee is, the MFM and left will seek to destroy them.  These people play hard ball while the right is sitting in the corner coloring in their coloring books and trying oh so hard to stay in the lines.  I say Run Sarah Run.  The left fear her for a reason.  If she was truly marginalized, they wouldn't waste their time to keep trying to tear her down.  Are they still harping on Dan Quale?  There comes a time when you have to stand for something and say screw the 3 dimensional chess games. 

134 I loved this article. It perfectly makes the point I teach my daughters. Feminism; it's all abortion, all the time.

135 I will never forget her acceptance speech. It brought tears to my eyes... I saw someone who could beat Obama, and everyone knew it. Unfortunately, her opponents lashed out in ways we'd not previously seen, and in the near term, her considerable attributes and skills can be used in better ways than a run for the presidency. Every time she picks her head up, she draws fire from everyone on the left. She is a walking bulldozer to the left- capable of deflecting their most vicious attacks and also distracting them from the folks who are most ready to run behind her. She's more powerful now than a politician- she's a kingmaker, and if she's willing to embrace that role, even if only in the short term, she will be fearsome. She and Huckabee are more than capable of playing spoilers to other people on the same team, and I sincerely hope they don't do that. I don't think anyone labors under the delusion that a candidate who really is THE ANSWER will run in 2012, much as it pains me to say so... but the guy currently with his hands (disinterestedly) on the wheel is quite capable of crashing this country. I, for one, can't afford for him to still be in power in 2013.

136 Actually, feminism is all about abortion, so Sarah makes them shiver when they realize they killed their chances at a happy family because they were too selfish to realize how demonic they had become. Without abortion, there is no feminism any more.

137 Some people seem to think that there can be a Republican candidate for president who will not be viciously attacked by the Obama machine and its allies in the press, and they want that candidate rather than Sarah Palin who has endured and continues to endure the full Alinsky. Obama cannot run on his record--it is a complete disaster and there is no indication that it will get better in the next 18 months. He can only win with an unrelenting attack on the Republican nominee. Whoever wins the Republican nomination is going to be subjected to the same sort of treatment that Sarah Palin received in 2008. Which of them can handle it as well as she handled it? Which of them is able to effectively counterattack? When those questions get answered, we will know who is and who is not a serious candidate.

138 I don't think anyone labors under the delusion that a candidate who really is THE ANSWER will run in 2012, much as it pains me to say so... but the guy currently with his hands (disinterestedly) on the wheel is quite capable of crashing this country. I, for one, can't afford for him to still be in power in 2013.

Hear, hear!

139 Honestly, shouldn't we be a little suspicious if the MBM didn't attack a GOP candidate?

140 But, much like affirmative action, the movement has outlived it's original purpose and now the pendulum has swung too far in the other direction.

Posted by: mpurinTexas(kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at March 09, 2011 01:45 PM (jxuSt)

Modern feminists have joined with Marxists in promoting nepotism. They want daddy to take care of them forever. That's reality TV, Hollywood, Ivy League schools, government jobs... everything the left stands for. The worst stereotypical feminists want daddy to remain in childhood. They go for Peter Pan syndrome guys -- shit, it's an epidemic now. All united in laziness.

141

Honestly, shouldn't we be a little suspicious if the MBM didn't attack a GOP candidate?

My friends, my friends.....

142 141 Honestly, shouldn't we be a little suspicious if the MBM didn't attack a GOP candidate?

Posted by: mpurinTexas(kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at March 09, 2011 02:44 PM (jxuSt)

Why no definitely not.

143 To this day, I hear liberals spout "Palin is so stupid, she thinks she can see Russia from her house."

Posted by: mpurinTexas(kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at March 09, 2011 02:19 PM (jxuSt)

To which the response, of course, is, "I can't believe you're so gullible that you believe what you just said.  Do you ALWAYS confuse comedy sketches with reality?"

Unfortunately, those liberals are too stupid to understand how stupid they themselves are.

144 Because logically once the father of a child has ponied up the cost of an abortion,  and the woman has chosen to keep the baby,  the father should be off the hook.  Ya know?

Posted by: Dang at March 09, 2011 02:10 PM (TXKVh)

You've perfectly captured the impetus behind the pro-choice movement.

145

As other's have pointed out here, will the GOP nominee be treated any differently than Palin?

No, but the one problem that Palin has that others may not is that her level of experience in the eyes of the casual voter (meaning most of them) is comparable to Obama's. And that negates one of the most persuasive arguments the GOP has going into the election: the 'look how badly that inexperienced asshole has screwed up our country. Give him the hook and vote for this seasoned doer so we can fix things' argument.

 

146

Here's a question: what are the odds that Obama will so Carter up America, both at home and abroad, that the most "dangerous, extremist, stupid, moronic, racist, sexist, homphobe" GOP candidate (according to the MFM) could win decisively in 1980?

I honestly think Uncle Ron won decisively because Jimmuh Carturd was such a palpable failure that the usual MFM smearing didn't help any.

147 Sorry tmi3rd though I agree with much of what you say I don't believe Palin is a kingmaker any longer. And I say that only because her chosen candidate in her home state lost. That is a big indicator fir me.

148 She's more powerful now than a politician- she's a kingmaker, and if she's willing to embrace that role, even if only in the short term, she will be fearsome. She and Huckabee are more than capable of playing spoilers to other people on the same team, and I sincerely hope they don't do that. 

Posted by: tmi3rd at March 09, 2011 02:37 PM (WRtsc)

Obi-Wan Palin: "If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can imagine."

I prefer to think of her as Sarah Umm al-Dub al-Akbar, Sarah Mother of the Great Bear: the One whose name is a killing word and who will lead the Teamen in their final assault on the House of the Obamakonnen.

149 You've perfectly captured the impetus behind the pro-choice movement.


I don't call them pro-choice, they're not. (Ask any of them their thoughts on gun ownership.) I call them pro-abortion. They hate that.

150 Tammy Bruce says that organized feminism is not about women. It's about progressivism.

She's right. They ignore the issues and focus, instead, on abortion. Sarah Palin exposes this, because everything is off the table with her.

151 I'm going to Iowa to help out Team Palin. The other pussies in the GOP can kiss my ass. I feel they've effed us over so many times that at this point I feel compelled to help out the person who has given the finger to Obama when the GOP boys were cowering in the back holding their dicks in their hands bc they were too afraid of Obama. Plus, I want a conservative in the WH, goddamnit and I won't settle for a moderate anymore. So, this TX chick is headed up to that godforsaken patch of corn land to help out a politician who has more stones than all the GOP men combined. I wouldn't do this for some mushy, milquetoast moderate. They can hang theirown goddamn flyers.

152 #153, see my question at #148. Because if the answer to #148 is YES, the Obamunist will make Carter look good, then your efforts will not be in vain.

153

Modern feminists want all the goodies, but no responsiblities; modern men who like modern feminists and support their cause are much the same way.  It comes down to not wanting to grow up, to be seen as "special", to not have any responsiblities or drudgery in their lives.  They feed off of each other -- that's why we have so many girly girls and baby boys running amok right now; it's a viscious cycle.

Eventually they will trip themselves up badly (it's already started); unfortunately everyone else has to suffer with them on the way down.

Whatever else Palin may be, good or bad, she has presented an idea that espouses grown up behavior -- I think that terrifies, yet fascinates, them the most.

154 And I say that only because her chosen candidate in her home state lost. That is a big indicator fir me.

Yeah, damn that loser for not being able to beat the corrupt court system, the RNC, the self-serving greedheads in Alaska and the non-stop lies and attacks by the willful tools in the media every single time she tries.

fucking loser.

155 I'm not entirely convinced that a feminist movement was ever needed.

Yeah, yeah, life was better when my choices as an ugly woman without a rich father were prostitution, begging crumbs from my brothers-in-law, or starvation.

Bullshit.

156 And Bristol hooked up with that douche not once but twice, so how big of a douche does that make her?

Not letting her off the hook, but the liberal was just pointing out that attacking the daughter was the wrong way to go, and Levi makes Sarah look good in the long run, because Levi is "the first husband."

157 To this day, I hear liberals spout "Palin is so stupid, she thinks she can see Russia from her house."

If you ask a liberal what Bush meant when he said 'You're either with us or against us,' he'll tell you that he was talking about Democrats being the enemy if they opposed him.

Like Reagan said, 'They know so much that isn't so.'

158 Sorry tmi3rd though I agree with much of what you say I don't believe Palin is a kingmaker any longer. And I say that only because her chosen candidate in her home state lost. That is a big indicator fir me.

Posted by: polynikes at March 09, 2011 02:49 PM (yKP4s)

That's not precisely the case.  Her chosen candidate won the primary, and had the general election remained a one-on-one contest of Republican vs. Democrat, he would have won handily.

Lisa Murkowski saw an opportunity to avenge her father's defeat by Palin for the Governorship: she entered the race as an independent because she saw that she would get votes from the minority of Republicans who are die-hard Murkoskiites and from the minority of Democrats who couldn't pass up an opportunity to stick it to Palin by voting for her mortal enemy.

And the funny thing is that Murkowski was all high and mighty after her election win in November, but lately she's been whipped back into line to go with the rest of the Republican caucus on fiscal issues.  Seems like she learned a lesson about how maybe Alaskan Republicans actually want someone conservative to represent them in the Senate.

159

When I read something like this post, I start thinking that Sarah Palin IS electable, because I remember how quickly and how far she moved those polls in 2008.  There isn't anyone else with more authority to say "Hello, America, I warned you about this inexperienced poseur and what would happen if we elected him, and it ALL came true.  He is incompetent and needs to be fired."  There is no reason she could not do what George W. Bush did in 2000 and find a very experienced running mate with some foreign policy cred, like a John Bolton, and put together a team of high powered and respected advisors like Bush did with Colin Powell and Condi Rice. 

I believe Plouffe and Axelrod expected Obama to be running against Mitt Romney on the top or bottom of the GOP ticket in 2008, and they expect him to be the nominee this time.  They have a lot of ads and oppo research on the shelf ready to throw at him (not to mention a very big underground anti-Mormon campaign ready to roll.)  They do NOT want to run against Palin, despite what the polls say now.

160 Ace, as a fellow agnostic, I have to say that Obama will only ever be a lower case "god".

161 Come on wiserbud you can come up with more excuses than that. What about the evil oil companies she made enemies with and the native american vote?Fact is she could not get her own candidate elected in her own state. That's not a kingmaker.

162 That's not precisely the case.

Yes it is. Both in DE, where the seat was vacated by the VP and in her home state AK, her picks for the general were rejected by the public.

163 There was a need. My mom told me that in the 1940 and 1950's, she was not allowed to have her name on a bank account, home, car or any other loan, without her husband's name included. Women who were single and needed to work were looked upon as unfortunate, or, if they actually enjoyed working and earning their own money, there was something very, very wrong with them. Also, women were expected to be in subservient jobs (secretary, nurse, teacher, waitress) and it was expected that they would quit those jobs once they married and became completely dependent on their husband.

My mom taught all of her daughters not to be dependent on a man, because, if that man left you for any reason, you were basically screwed.

The women's movement changed that mindset and empowered women as equals, as it should be. But, much like affirmative action, the movement has outlived it's original purpose and now the pendulum has swung too far in the other direction.

Posted by: mpurinTexas(kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at March 09, 2011 01:45 PM (jxuSt)

This.

Plus, if you, as a man, do the deed and make a baby -- then you pay to raise it (at the very least -- you really should nut up and act like a real dad, but whatever).  I've seen too many women who decided they wanted the baby and kept it who subsequently had the baby daddies do their absolute best to get out from underneath the responsiblity (yes, it happens to men too).  The men would pony up for an abortion, but oh hell no were they going to marry the woman or support their kid. 

They wanted the fun, but didn't want the work that could result from it -- too damn bad, pay up sucker and learn to be a father on top of it while you're at it.

164

'The Gonads On Our Team Happen To Be Wearing Skirts' - Rush Limbaugh 3/8/11.

And he is right. But our side would rather attack the only 2 people in the ring. Every time I hear 'Palin is unelectable' I'm reminded of the Yogi-ism 'Nobody goes to that restaurant anymore, its too crowded.' I wish ANYONE from our side would take the fight to Ø like Palin does, and until someone else does, I'm supporting her.

165 the 'look how badly that inexperienced asshole has screwed up our country. Give him the hook and vote for this seasoned doer so we can fix things' argument.

Posted by: TiredWench at March 09, 2011 02:48 PM (oPceJ)

The "seasoned doer" argument cuts both ways (RomneyCare, Gingrich on ethanol subisdies, etc.).

166 We welcome all the help we can get, TexMex. However, check that insufferable Texas attitude at the Mizzou border. God forsaken patch of corn land, indeed! We grow pigs and soybeans, too! And we will continue taking your money for ethanol, too. You're welcome! (j/k, if it's needed!)

167 "Hello, America, I warned you about this inexperienced poseur and what would happen if we elected him, and it ALL came true.  He is incompetent and needs to be fired."

Except that assumes a majority of the voters will ever HATE Obama so much as to call him a total fuck up. He polls relatively well, because Americans still blame Bush for most of our problems and are proud to have a black president. Polled voters are disappointed with Dems, but not sold on the GOP.

168 Come on wiserbud you can come up with more excuses than that

My point was not to offer excuses but to point out that simply because she did not fulfill here role of "kingmaker" to your complete and total satisfaction does not necessarily make her a failure.

In fact, I believe her win-loss record pretty much belies your argument quite well.

169 Yes it is. Both in DE, where the seat was vacated by the VP and in her home state AK, her picks for the general were rejected by the public.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at March 09, 2011 03:08 PM (mHQ7T)

You can make that argument for the DE election, because the Republican nominee went head-to-head against the Democrat nominee and lost.

In Alaska, had the election been head-to-head, Miller would have won handily.  Murkowski's need for personal revenge is the reason Miller lost.  If Sarah Palin screwed up in that endorsement, it was from making the foolish assumption that Lisa Murkowski had ethical principles and party loyalty -- one could argue that Palin should have dismissed that possibility based on Lisa's last name.

170

Pretty much hit the nail on the head wiser. I saw it first hand.

171 "Sarah's With Me: 2012"

Posted by: Tom at March 09, 2011 02:32 PM (MWXXs)

Where can I get one?

172 What endorsement by Palin resulted in a win in the general that otherwise would not have happened?

173

Here's a question: what are the odds that Obama will so Carter up America, both at home and abroad, that the most "dangerous, extremist, stupid, moronic, racist, sexist, homphobe" GOP candidate (according to the MFM) could win decisively in 1980?

I honestly think Uncle Ron won decisively because Jimmuh Carturd was such a palpable failure that the usual MFM smearing didn't help any.

I agree.  And look at what was thrown at him during his tenure.  I even remember music videos (Genesis) in the early days of MTV that ridiculed Reagan.

174 There is no reason she could not do what George W. Bush did in 2000 and find a very experienced running mate with some foreign policy cred...

Bush benefited from nepotism. He was groomed for the presidency and entitled to it by most Dems standards. Though they were loath to admit it, they had nothing on Bush. His dad was president, and he knew what the job entailed. They could only call him dumb and try to portray him as a frat boy. Aside from blaming him for 911 and Katrtina, when they attacked Bush, my reaction was usually (to myself) "Whatever. Suck my dick." Anyway, Palin is beyond that. She needs Jesus.

175

Except that assumes a majority of the voters will ever HATE Obama so much as to call him a total fuck up. He polls relatively well, because Americans still blame Bush for most of our problems and are proud to have a black president. Polled voters are disappointed with Dems, but not sold on the GOP.

And once again, my question stands: Will the Obamunist become such a palpable fuckup, a la Jimmuh Carturd, that even the most extreme and demonized GOP candidate will trounce?

Remember back how truly demonized Ronald Reagan was by the Left, and how they called him "The Teflon President" because they couldn't make any of their smears stick.

I submit to you they couldn't do this, because Carter and Mondale and the Demunists were SO awful that most voters didn't care. Not that they didn't buy the Left smears--they just Did. Not. Care.

 

176

When I read something like this post, I start thinking that Sarah Palin IS electable, because I remember how quickly and how far she moved those polls in 2008. 

It's not 2008 anymore.  Her VP acceptance speech was good, but presidential nominees usually do get a bump in the polls after naming a VP no matter who it is.

Her approval rating since then has dropped dramatically, despite maintaining a very high profile.  Between the way she's behaved since 2008 and her resignation, she's simply not electable in the general election, no matter how much her fans wish it otherwise.

177 Murkowski Palin's need for personal revenge is the reason Miller lost.

178 What endorsement by Palin resulted in a win in the general that otherwise would not have happened?

Well, there's a question that certainly does not contain the opportunity to preemptively invalidate any answer given.

Nicely worded, poly.  You must be a lawyer.

179 That was in the Mid 80s 'Land of Destruction', and they were similarly savage to Thatcher at her end of the Atlantic.That the country was more prosperous than in the dreary 70s, doesn't seem to matter.

180

153 I'm going to Iowa to help out Team Palin. The other pussies in the GOP can kiss my ass. I feel they've effed us over so many times that at this point I feel compelled to help out the person who has given the finger to Obama when the GOP boys were cowering in the back holding their dicks in their hands bc they were too afraid of Obama.
Plus, I want a conservative in the WH, goddamnit and I won't settle for a moderate anymore. So, this TX chick is headed up to that godforsaken patch of corn land to help out a politician who has more stones than all the GOP men combined.
I wouldn't do this for some mushy, milquetoast moderate. They can hang theirown goddamn flyers.

THIS!

181 Biggest difference was Bush was a twice elected Governor.

182

some of you guys/gals have got your adjective wrong -

 Gov Palin is INELUCTABLE not unelectable ...

throw out the old POTUS run playbook folks, sit back and watch a NEW playbook being written

She's gonna touch every 'American Heart' out there, and a MULTITUDE of American-Lovers are gonna join her RESTORE AMERICA cause, as she campaigns in every town and hamlet .... connecting, connecting, connecting with dormant "American Hearts" right, left and centre ...

Her testimony/speech in October at that big church is gonna be simulcast to at least 1000 other churches - that is one BIG reachout right there ...

The Steel-Spined One will not let America go down to the leftists without one HUGE FIGHT - join her cause AMERICA

 

 

183 Curmudgeon I believe those in the media class are much more invested in Obama than they ever were for Carter. I don't think they'll abandon him like they did Carter. But I do believe there's a massive disconnect between the electorate and the media political class. How they missed something as big as the TP movement showed me how willfully blind they were. Prices are going up and antecdotally there isn't a day that passes w/o someone freaking out about the price of gas. If this is what recovery looks like then please bring back the recession! It's this willful blindness and emotional investment that will keep the media firmly on Obama's side no matter the nominee, so knowing that I go all in with Palin who has shown a courage other self proclaimed conservatives lack. It's not about her; it's about the ideology of conservatism. It's not dead, it's just been buried under a bunch of bullshit that weak willed moderates have dumped over it. I'm fired up that someone like Palin wears it on her sleeve. I want a conservative in the WH. We haven't had onE in 23 years. I'm going to fight hard to get one in there this time.

184

What endorsement by Palin resulted in a win in the general that otherwise would not have happened?

ALL OF THEM, BLASHPEMER!!!

185 I don't understand all this fuss. Michelle Bachman/Alan West in 2012 will mop the floor with all the pretenders.

186 I thought I was being reasonably civil and all of the sudden I am being called the most profane of names. How dare you.

187 Did we get a link from HA or C4P?  The commenter IQ has begun to plummet into the room temperature range.

188 Remember back how truly demonized Ronald Reagan was by the Left, and how they called him "The Teflon President" because they couldn't make any of their smears stick.

Ronald Reagan loved FDR, was a two-term Democrat Governor of CA, radio broadcaster, movie star, SAG president, GE spokesman, Republican convert (did it having been successful as a Democrat), Army veteran when Americans were patriotic, endorsed a presidential bid for the most successful movement conservative of all time and still "waited his turn" after Ford. Palin is a gifted political figure, butt she is not Reagan.

189 I thought I was being reasonably civil and all of the sudden I am being called the most profane of names. How dare you.

My apologies.  I really shouldn't have stooped so low.

190

Plus, if you, as a man, do the deed and make a baby -- then you pay to raise it (at the very least -- you really should nut up and act like a real dad, but whatever).  I've seen too many women who decided they wanted the baby and kept it who subsequently had the baby daddies do their absolute best to get out from underneath the responsiblity (yes, it happens to men too).  The men would pony up for an abortion, but oh hell no were they going to marry the woman or support their kid. 

They wanted the fun, but didn't want the work that could result from it -- too damn bad, pay up sucker and learn to be a father on top of it while you're at it.

Posted by: unknown jane at March 09, 2011 03:08 PM (5/yRG)

I used to agree with this.  Now I don't.  The only way I can think of making single motherhood less prevelant is to make single motherhood more difficult.

If women know that if they have a child out of wedlock, they receive no aid or assitance from the father, they will be less likely to have children out of wedlock.

I'm sorry, but that's the only thing I can see that will reduce single motherhood.

If you subsidise something, you will get more of it.

Child support subsidises single motherhood.

 

 

191 Did we get a link from HA or C4P?  The commenter IQ has begun to plummet into the room temperature range.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 09, 2011 03:31 PM (SY2Kh)

Nice of you to grace this blog with your presence for a Palin thread. /

192 181 That was in the Mid 80s 'Land of Destruction' Confusion'

193 Jay in Ames No j/k needed, dude. Texans ARE insufferable blowhards. I embrace it. It's how we get through our godforsaken summers. The Devil personally farts over the state for 3 months. I keep telling folks that if we sacrifice Jerry Jones he'll stop but Satan said piss off he doesn't want him.

194

I believe those in the media class are much more invested in Obama than they ever were for Carter. I don't think they'll abandon him like they did Carter.

If that is true, the electability will matter, and your efforts for Sarah will be in vain. But I am not sure it *is* true.

But I do believe there's a massive disconnect between the electorate and the media political class. How they missed something as big as the TP movement showed me how willfully blind they were.

As someone around in 1980, I can tell you that there was no less a disconnect. Substitute "New Right" for "Tea Party" back then.

Prices are going up and antecdotally there isn't a day that passes w/o someone freaking out about the price of gas.

That was true then too, and it was worse--it was price controlled and rationed! Which is what our health care will be under the Obamunists.

so knowing that I go all in with Palin who has shown a courage other self proclaimed conservatives lack. It's not about her; it's about the ideology of conservatism. It's not dead, it's just been buried under a bunch of bullshit that weak willed moderates have dumped over it.

That was true then too. Nixon to Red China, "We are all Keynesians now...", WIN buttons....I could go on.

195

Ronald Reagan loved FDR, was a two-term Democrat Governor of CA, radio broadcaster, movie star, SAG president, GE spokesman, Republican convert (did it having been successful as a Democrat),

Which makes the Left hate of him all the more understandable--he was an apostate.

Army veteran when Americans were patriotic,

In 1980, anti-military sentiment was still very palpable. We are much more patriotic as a nation now.

endorsed a presidential bid for the most successful movement conservative of all time

Goldwater did go down in flames you know.....

and still "waited his turn" after Ford. Palin is a gifted political figure, butt she is not Reagan.

But whose turn is it now? Mitt's? Hucks?

196 Awww poor Hollowpoint.  Having to put up with people that agree with him on most things, but are just too stupid to see that supporting Sarah Palin is just so stupid.  Go tell Ace to go back to C4P now.

197 If women know that if they have a child out of wedlock, they receive no aid or assitance from the father, they will be less likely to have children out of wedlock.

It takes two to tango. Women should just know that bureaucracy is a drag. Having a child out of wedlock means taking him to court, ignoring the gossip, hounding the state for your checks, catching him when he tries to avoid payments or works under the table, plus giving up your youth and making it harder to meet somebody new. The men deserve the worst for ruining not one life, but at least two.

198 Does this mean that they're going to quit shaving their legs and burn the bras again?

Not hatin here, just sayin... there are more women in higher positions now, across all employement, and things are simply tits up in the water.

Ever worked for a woman boss... you'll know what I mean.

199 But whose turn is it now? Mitt's? Hucks?

I dislike this habit of anointing the next in line, but I'm pointing out that Reagan worked hard to hone his political skills as the Great Communicator and build his coalition. My problem with Palin is she hasn't done nearly ttat work, and it shows.

200 No j/k needed, dude. Texans ARE insufferable blowhards. I embrace it. It's how we get through our godforsaken summers. The Devil personally farts over the state for 3 months. I keep telling folks that if we sacrifice Jerry Jones he'll stop but Satan said piss off he doesn't want him.


LOL

If I owned Hell and I owned Texas......

201

It takes two to tango.

Tattoo De Plane at March 09, 2011 03:42 PM (mHQ7T)

Yes.  Yes it does.  And my methods may seem cruel and unfair to you.  And they are cruel and unfair.

They unfairly burden single women with all the responsibilities and relieve the men.  I'm aware of that.

I also don't care anymore.

For the longest time, I tried to think of a way that would be both fair to the women and men, and reduce single parenthood.

I couldn't do it.

So I don't try now.

The women get screwed.  So be it.

But since my goal is to reduce the number of children growing up with out a mother and father living together as husband and wife, that's a price I'm willing to pay.  Or more accurately, a price I'm willing for the women to pay.

 

202 Little Phil was an Irish warrior, just like Sarah Palin.

203 I don't think they'll abandon him like they did Carter.

Carter cost a lot of people money when he threw the shah under the bus. Obama doesn't bite the hand that feeds him. His problems is there are too many hands and not enough money.

204

Awww poor Hollowpoint.  Having to put up with people that agree with him on most things, but are just too stupid to see that supporting Sarah Palin is just so stupid.  Go tell Ace to go back to C4P now.

Except I agreed with Ace regarding the way modern day "feminists" reacted to her.  He didn't suggest she would make a good nominee in 2012 as are the delusional Palin cultists.

205

she reminds them of those weeks of terror, the same way you'll always be reminded of a death if you see the person responsible for it.

Many in the Republican guild had the same reaction--right, Hollowhead? The Fems, the Socialists and the emptyhead Republicans--united by a common enemy. They can all get together for a good cry in Nov '12.

206 They unfairly burden single women with all the responsibilities and relieve the men.  I'm aware of that.

They also burden the children with the consequences. Don't forget that. The woman tangoed, butt what about the kid?

207

God I can't imagine why they would ever call you names Hollowpoint.  You're such a polite and reasonable debater.

You smug self-absorbed assbag.  Wah Wah they're talking about Palin as a candidate!  Mommy make them go away.

208 Sorry, I keep typing "butt." The T on my keyboard sticks, and I cannot lie.

209 174 What endorsement by Palin resulted in a win in the general that otherwise would not have happened?

I bet I don't have to read ten comments further into this thread to see you attacked for merely asking this question. 

210 But since my goal is to reduce the number of children growing up with out a mother and father living together as husband and wife, that's a price I'm willing to pay.  Or more accurately, a price I'm willing for the women to pay.

We tried your way, and it doesn't work. You're now pointing too marriage's failure rate as an excuse for male promiscuity. How does that make sense?

211 **I've said it before, the only women who dislike Palin (that I've encountered) are those who are threatened by her. In other words, women with low self-esteem.

Posted by: mpurinTexas(kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at March 09, 2011 02:22 PM (jxuSt) **

 

No.   There are many conservative women who dislike Palin.   When she stepped out on that stage convention night and knocked it out of the park my heart soared.   In the weeks that followed it felt like the rug had been pulled out from under me.   Palin's problem is Palin.   If she had Liz Cheney's intellect and debating skills we'd have a very different government right now.   Her problem is that she is not educated or mindful of the effect her behavior has on people.   She does have political common sense but she comes across as obnoxious.   The women I've talked to have a variety of reasons for disliking her.  None are jealousy, rather, she is seen as an embarrassment.   Most of us bust our backsides in school and at work to get and maintain credibility on par with what many men seem to be handed naturally.  Palin is seen as an embarrassment because she is that woman in the office who wants to get by on her looks and charm without doing any of the work and by default, proves critics of women correct.   She feeds that stereotype in many ways.  She is not a serious person.   She does not want to work.   She thrives on attention and drama, two female stereotypes most of us can do without.

212

If women know that if they have a child out of wedlock, they receive no aid or assitance from the father, they will be less likely to have children out of wedlock.

 

With all due lack of respect: bullshit.  Babies happen, takes two to make them and also unless you plan on going the route of locking women up and keeping them from any interaction with men...babies will happen.

And you are giving men a great inducement there to not have to worry about ever taking any responsiblity for themselves...

Tell me, are you a practitioner of the religion of rest in peace?

213

Ace,

While the libs hate Palin for a variety of reasons, I think the main one is that she got where she is today without their help.   She is not a victim.   Liberals need women in the victim role or their ideology implodes.

214

And how the hell is child support a subsidy?  You aren't paying for someone else's kid...the father is (or mother -- there are single dads out there).

 

215

They also burden the children with the consequences. Don't forget that. The woman tangoed, butt what about the kid?

Sorry, I keep typing "butt." The T on my keyboard sticks, and I cannot lie.[heh]

Tattoo De Plane at March 09, 2011 03:57 PM (mHQ7T)

I know.  That's the most heart breaking part about this.  When you look at the individuals children involved, of course it's natural to feel that those fathers should have to pay to support the kids.

But I'm looking at the aggregate numbers.  I want to reduce the numbers from tens and tens of millions of children living in in single parent familes to "only" a few million.

I say "only" a few million not to be snarky, but to show that I know that a) that is still a lot of kids in single parent households, and b) I can't envsion perfection, even if my ideas are immplemented in their entirety.

If we do what I propose, there will still be much suffering.

I only hope that in the whole, there will be less suffering by children, because as time goes by, less single women will chose to have children to reduce their burdens, and thus reduce the burdens on their children as well.

Let me make it perfectly clear:  I know that my plan would mean that children born to single mothers would have less resources.  This is tragic, but unavoidable.

My intent is for the total numbers of children who thus grow up with single mothers to dramatically decrease.

 

 

216 Some people forget why many many other women hate her, jealousy.  She is beautiful woman married to her high-school sweetheart who looks like a male model for some rugged outdoors magazine.  Actually the guy is tougher than most of those wannabes.  She has a nice family, a good husband and made her own way challenging the establishment of both parties of her state without help from any of those on the left.  Many women can't tell you why they hate or dislike her, above is why!  Feminists just can't deal with all this, it hurts their brains!

217

214. "She is not a serious person."

Seems there's a lot of that going around.  Another Journalism-PolySci major like the One, only without the pass.

"Uneducated". 

Funny,  seems educated to this pilgrim.  Could it be ugly women have unrealistic standards?

218 Tattoo, Jeb was the one groomed for the presidency. The party was shocked and not supportive when W threw his hat into the ring. I was there.

219 Maybe liberals (and independents) actually see Sarah Palin as an unintelligent, ill-informed person with no intellectual curiosity who tried to win election by using  homespun hucksterism instead of substance or even knowledge of basic national and international policy.  There's a reason that the vast majority of independents give her low approval ratings.  And it isn't because an evil leftist media has forced them to believe falsehoods.  It's because in that campaign, she showed who she was and what she knew.  Who she was, was a provincial person who didn't really understand the issues and wasn't interested in learning them.  She remains that person.  And most Americans can see that.

220

We tried your way, and it doesn't work. You're now pointing too marriage's failure rate as an excuse for male promiscuity. How does that make sense?

Tattoo De Plane at March 09, 2011 04:00 PM (mHQ7T)

To try to be more specific, I'm not trying to talk about marriage "failure" rates, if by that you mean getting married and then divorsed.  That a separate, but related issue.

I'm am refering to single motherhood from the get go.  Whether that be from a woman who didn't ever plan on getting married, but just wanted a kid, up to the woman who got pregnant, wanted to get married, but the man decided to be a turd and ditched her.

Sorry if I wasnt specific enough.

221 I know full well Ace ain't a fan of Palin but I don't blow my top over it bc god forbid he like someone else /sarc Ace et al are grown ass men and can support whomever they want. My point in writing about Palin vis a vis 2012 is not that I'm a rabid Palinite a la Ron Paul mode but give the current field of prospective candidates Palin is the only one where I don't have to ignore a substantial philosophical flaw. I argued to anyone who would listen how very wrong Obamacare is but Romney would have me ignore his own failed HC bill bc he has an R by his name. I believe this clamor for Climate Change legislation is one giant wealth transfer from the US to undeserving nations and our even bigger polluting rivals, (China, hey, you assholes) yet Gingrich and Pawlenty jumped on that bandwagon and now ask me to over look that. Huckabee is a Bible thumping, fiscal liberal and aims to be a worse Moralizer n Chief than Carter ever was. That leaves Palin for me. Look, if she fizzles out in the primaries so be it but I have a good hunch that won't happen. If the best one has against her are aesthetic quibbles so be it. It'll take a high pitched, one term Gov who threw down the term "death panels" and sued a Repub Admin bc they wanted to put fucking polar bears on the endangered species list to placate environmentalists. Come 2012, I don't want to end up choosing between two mooks who have shitty HC bills named after them. Last I checked, there was no Palincare. I'm damn certain there never will be.

222 I'm not entirely convinced that a feminist movement was ever needed. Ditto other things like unions and abolition.

That's ridiculous.

223

With all due lack of respect: bullshit.

Tell me, are you a practitioner of the religion of rest in peace?

unknown jane at March 09, 2011 04:05 PM (5/yRG)

No, I'm not.

As for the rest of your points, since you're just flaming me, I got nothing for you.

If you decide to stop flaming me, I'll respond.

224

223 You make a major error: sometimes it's the MAN who doesn't want to get married...so how is this great idea of yours helping reduce the number of single mothers?

Your plan just makes it easier for men to screw and then say "no, now that I think about it, I don't want to marry you...ta ta" or "you know, I don't think I want to stay married to you anymore, ta ta".  Or do you think men never lie when they want to get laid?

225

Let Gov Palin and the seven (or more) dwarves, get up there when the Primary debate season kicks off in the Fall.

Let everyone give their best shot re: positions on the issues and ideas to restore America

and may the best woman/dwarf WIN!

WOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

*__*

 

226 For all those who say she is unelectable and/or should be relegated to Secretary of Energy/Interior I would like to know exactly why you think Obama is a shoe in? Reagan was down an astounding 25 points against Carter in early 1980 and likewise George HW Bush seemed unbeatable after the 1st Gulf War. I still think too many of you are spooked by the election of 2008. The big O has to run on an actual record now. $4-5 gallon of gas? Repealed Health Care bill? 9+% unemployment? And you think Palin couldn't beat him to death in the debates with all that? The man had a perfect storm last time and got 52.7%. But somehow now he is unbeatable?

227

unknown jane at March 09, 2011 04:20 PM (5/yRG)

Are you through flaming me?  If you are, I'll respond.

228

226 and you are deserving to be flamed -- because essentially, you are kind of making that arguement: all burden and onus on the woman, men get off scott free, kids? well what about them?

And this is conservative thinking how? (please, I want to know, because I'm an independent who has been leaning conservative -- but if I find out conservatives think in ways I don't approve of, then I need to rethink my support)

229 **

214. "She is not a serious person."

Seems there's a lot of that going around.  Another Journalism-PolySci major like the One, only without the pass.**

I have no idea what you are talking about.

 

**Could it be ugly women have unrealistic standards?**

 

Why is it that a woman who dislikes Palin is automatically ugly?  That is a very ignorant statement to make, especially since you can't see the women making these statements.

 

It's pretty pathetic that anyone who objectively critiques Palin get return fire in the form of personal attacks.

230

'..because she is that woman in the office who wants to get by on her looks and charm without doing any of the work..'

Yes Misty, she didn't do any work. She saw a problem with her kid's school, so she got on the school board to make changes. She then ran for mayor, then she was on a gas commission, then she ran for Governor. Yup, no work at all, just her looks. Putz.

231 Who she was, was a provincial person who didn't really understand the issues and wasn't interested in learning them.  She remains that person.  And most Americans can see that.

Whatever turns your crank, sister.  See you at the polls.

232 173 "Sarah's With Me: 2012"

Posted by: Tom at March 09, 2011 02:32 PM (MWXXs)

Where can I get one?

Posted by: stuiec at March 09, 2011 03:18 PM (JuWS+)

http://tinyurl.com/4u2plz8

233

There's a meme out there, heavily promoted by the left, that women hate Palin.

It isn't true. Only leftist women hate Palin 

234 **

Posted by: Sally Ann Cavanaugh at March 09, 2011 04:16 PM (gnViO) **

 

Great points.  I'm sure you'll be flamed soon enough.   I'd love to see how many of the ones attacking the Palin critiques with ad hominems are men.

235 Which issues; that terrorists didn't deserve the rights (the Obama administration) has tried to grant them, that oil is the life blood of this economy, that the underpinings of this health care plan, are not just wrong but evil in a fundamental way. That the administration's assurances ab out the GZ Mosque, New SALT (the day of the week) are not to betrusted

236 Women have the final decision on whether to become pregnant unless it's unconsensual sex. That places a greater responsibility on them whether fair or not. That men have been found responsible for support for children later determined not to be their own is also unfair.

237 **

Posted by: Schwalbe : The © at March 09, 2011 04:23 PM (UU0OF) **

 

Palin is uneducated and manipulative.   Smart in some ways, yes, she has made herself fabulously wealthy.   She has created a brand and successfully marketed it to a devoted segment of the population.  Can't fault her for being savvy.   Unfortunately, none of those qualities are what the U.S. needs in a president.

 

Name call away.  You've got nothing else.

238 237 **

Posted by: Sally Ann Cavanaugh at March 09, 2011 04:16 PM (gnViO) **

 

Great points.  I'm sure you'll be flamed soon enough.   I'd love to see how many of the ones attacking the Palin critiques with ad hominems are men.

Posted by: misty at March 09, 2011 04:29 PM (Su3Ax)

Considering that she is a known liberal troll here.  What do you expect?

It's pretty pathetic that anyone who objectively critiques Palin get return fire in the form of personal attacks.

Posted by: misty at March 09, 2011 04:22 PM (Su3Ax)

Well hey if you want to go throw out bullshit that really doesn't have any actual basis in reality why can't people do that about you?

239 **

Well hey if you want to go throw out bullshit that really doesn't have any actual basis in reality why can't people do that about you?

Posted by: buzzion at March 09, 2011 04:35 PM (oVQFe) **

 

Unfortunately, people like you vote and that's the reason our country is in the condition it's in today.

240 Posted by: misty at March 09, 2011 04:01 PM (Su3Ax)

I'll have to respectfully disagree with you.

Especially when you throw out "uneducated" and "gets by on her looks". The same arguments that I've heard from insecure liberal women.

And you got to give her some slack on the public performance criteria (which I don't consider all that critical overall). Remember she was pulled from relative obscurity with an invitation to a party that might get a little rough only to find that she was to become the target of a national and very public ass raping, along with her whole damn family. Under those circumstances, she did pretty well. I know if it were me in her position, they'd still be counting bodies.

241 mpur, considering you're from Texas and likely have a bit of a southern accent to go with it, I get the feeling that misty would call you uneducated and only getting by on your looks as well.  Because all misty obviously sees is Palin's looks and thinks that the reason she got where she was, and hears her voice and thinks that is an indication of her intelligence.

242 Maybe liberals (and independents) actually see Sarah Palin as an unintelligent, ill-informed person with no intellectual curiosity who tried to win election by using  homespun hucksterism instead of substance or even knowledge of basic national and international policy.  There's a reason that the vast majority of independents give her low approval ratings.  And it isn't because an evil leftist media has forced them to believe falsehoods.  It's because in that campaign, she showed who she was and what she knew.  Who she was, was a provincial person who didn't really understand the issues and wasn't interested in learning them.  She remains that person.  And most Americans can see that.


You know, I bet if I googled hard enough (which I'm not going to waste time doing) I could find those same key phrases, only instead of "Sarah Palin" it would say "George Bush".

243

Unfortunately, none of those qualities are what the U.S. needs in a president.

Just curious--what qualities would those be?

Nope, it really isn't "Brains"--those are what advisors are for.

One quality that does count is courage, or guts if you will. A leader has to, well, you know, lead. Another is convictions--patriotic ones. (One could argue that Obama *has* convictions, just anti-American ones)

I'm not sold on Palin yet, but as I have stated above, the Obamunists may make the Carterites look good at the rate they are going, so why not have the candidate the lib media hates most?

244 mpur, considering you're from Texas and likely have a bit of a southern accent to go with it, I get the feeling that misty would call you uneducated and only getting by on your looks as well.  Because all misty obviously sees is Palin's looks and thinks that the reason she got where she was, and hears her voice and thinks that is an indication of her intelligence.


Perhaps. I wasn't making judgments, everyone is entitled to their opinion.

But yes, there is that perception.

I remember within hours of McCain announcing the VP pick, a liberal woman (on a different board) - the first thing out of her mouth was "why did he pick a beauty queen?"

So the bias and prejudice was in place immediately, if not before, Sarah was picked.

245 OT - As many here surmised, O'Keefe confirmed to Newsmax that he has more NPR tape ready to roll.  h/t HA

246

239 And to which I will ask again: and men don't lie at all when getting laid is on the line?  Men don't ever cheat and walk out? Women are incapable of making mistakes as to the character of the men they choose to love -- and if they do, they are just stupid and deserve to be punished...their kids too?

Or I could ask: does this mean that women who give up their kids don't have to pay child support to the dad?  I mean, what if Dad wants to keep the kids -- no support for him either?  I'm kinda from the standpoint that support of your children is a necessary function of adulthood and life.

What if the man finds out the kid isn't his, but he still loves the child anyway...he should just have to give up a kid that he loves and who loves him back because the biology is wrong? (yeah, I've seen that happen: my hippie friend was working on a case where the newly divorced dad wanted custody of his nonbiological kid, because he loved the kid...she lobbied to get him sole custody with support, as he was in action the parent of choice, biology be damned).

247 (yeah, I've seen that happen: my hippie friend was working on a case where the newly divorced dad wanted custody of his nonbiological kid, because he loved the kid...she lobbied to get him sole custody with support, as he was in action the parent of choice, biology be damned).


Yep, there's more to parenting than copping a nut.

248

239 Or are you saying that women should be allowed to remain or not remain pregnant?

In which case, how can the pro-life movement be supported, if you're saying that it's the woman who ultimately has the choice to remain pregnant or not?

And no, I'm not going to go with the fallacy of "well, women are guilty of putting out so...".  Why? Because men and women are attracted to each other and have sex -- it's what they are supposed to do actually.  It's what the whole love and sex thing is ultimately about...so babies happen (which they are supposed to be doing).  Yeah, society can put up obstacles, but it still happens, and it's because of both parites.  The arguement could be turned around with "well, men are guilty of putting out so..." just as easily -- or are men at the level of dumb animals with no control over themselves? (I for one do not believe that is the case).

249 My main problems with Palin are her tendency to quit, that her platform appears to based on general platitudes with the absence of serious policy papers and her pulling out the gender victim card when convenient. Oh I would seriously consider not voting for a zombie Reagan if he had a reality TV show. I said before if we are looking to nominate a conservative woman that the left hates and that can take the heat and dish it back twice as much, let's put together a Draft Coulter committee. That I could support.

250

Lets see. Misty's arguements against Palin: Looks, she's fabulously wealthy (now), uneducated, and manipulative (whatever that means).

All subjective non-concrete opinion, unlike say, 'Palin is for cutting taxes and I am not'

And sounds like a heaping of jealousy there misty. Did the Homecoming King pass you by? Dont hate the playa, misty, hate the game. Palin won, and you lost.

251 Men should always be responsible for the children they father. That is part of being a real man. My point is cause and effect and that the sexual revolution and feminism for women changed the rules of the game.

252 In which case, how can the pro-life movement be supported, if you're saying that it's the woman who ultimately has the choice to remain pregnant or not?

I would argue that the woman ultimately has the choice to become pregnant or not.

253 A recent quote from WSJ interview of Paul Johnson (greatest living British historian):

'He admired former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin for her courage and said that without possessing courage like former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher or President Ronald Reagan “all the other virtues are no good at all. It’s the central virtue.”

'“I like that lady—Sarah Palin. She's great. I like the cut of her jib," he added according to the paper.'
  Again, that's from Paul Johnson, NOT T. Coddington Van Vorhees.

254 #255 I think I said the same thing. Unknown Jane is the one who changed my words.

255

Some things to consider for those Palin naysayers:

She helped architect the biggest defeat of Democrats in the House and Senate since 1948.   Legislatures owe her big time.

She has honed her presentation media skills for a year by frequent live appearances on Fox and other networks. 

She just recently did an unscripted hour long QA at the Long Island Association (which rebut the assertion that she can't handle such forums)

She learned the hard way the dangers of gotcha journalism.  Those mistakes are behind her.

She is spinning up on foreign affairs in particular with allies (e.g. India)

If she runs she needs to convince the majority of the people that she is on their side and that she has the character to deal with tough decisions, and that she is not the nut case/dimwit that MSM has tried for so long to assert.

If American's get that last point, they will suddenly realize they have been badly duped and the polls could swing wildly in her favor.   I wouldn't count her out in a minute.

 

 

256

Oh I would seriously consider not voting for a zombie Reagan if he had a reality TV show.

He did host "GE Theater", you know.

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255 I'm arguing from the standpoint of even the best laid plans can go awry (speaking from experience here: my husband and I have 2 of our 5 kids thanks to birth control snafus and failures...babies happen, and I haven't seen celibacy be a completely workable system anywhere -- because men and women get together, just...happens).

254 Ok, so you aren't taking up with the whole "men shouldn't have to pay child support, that way women won't be single mothers".  True enough the sexual revolution did mess up the whole thing -- I tend to think it encouraged the false premise that you could have fun with no worries, which people foolishly believed...and it encouraged childish behavior in regards to sex and relationships. I just don't see how allowing one partner (or worse yet a specific gender) to opt out of the responsiblity fixes that...and it does leave the door open to abortion as an option (which I thought most conservatives were dead against)...this can be exemplified with what happens in certain cultures where similar thinking does transpire (the abortions of convenience happen there with suprising frequency).

258 #259 I see that you're using that illogical liberal comparison strategy. Sorry does not work except on liberals.

259 214, 222

"She is not a serious person.   She does not want to work."  Doubtful that you could keep up with Palin for even one day.

" ... a provincial person who didn't really understand the issues and wasn't interested in learning them.  She remains that person." 

Are you two in a contest to see who can make the most foolish, ignorant and uniformed comment on this thread.  It might be helpful, if next time, you did a little research or non-LSM reading before commenting.  Her record and actions over the last two years paint a very different picture from the nonsense that you two spew out.  Other than Palin, there is presently no potential GOP candidate consistently speaking out on the broad spectrum of issues confronting this country.   

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**She is not a serious person.   She does not want to work."  Doubtful that you could keep up with Palin for even one day.**

 

I worked 13+ hours days in a busy pediatric ER with 7 hour wait times in winter.   Next stupid statement?

**" ... a provincial person who didn't really understand the issues and wasn't interested in learning them.  She remains that person." 

Are you two in a contest to see who can make the most foolish, ignorant and uniformed comment on this thread

Posted by: ndfan at March 09, 2011 05:38 PM (OStRt) **

 

 

No, you've got us beat hands down.

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#259 I see that you're using that illogical liberal comparison strategy. Sorry does not work except on liberals.

Really? OK, let's examine you snide response. Governor, GOP activist, TV host....Reagan? Palin? Both, actually.

Again, I'm not sure about her yet, other than than the Obamunist might be so repulsive by 2012 that why not nominate the one who most pisses the lib media off.

Perhaps it would be better to compare and contrast other GOP primary contenders:

--Sarah vs. Newt? Newt sucks, climate change fraud and skeletons in the closet.

--Sarah vs. Mitt? Mitt still can't mea culpa on the Romney care mess.

--Sarah vs. Huck? Here, I'd go Huck, because he has backed away from his egregious errors of 2008 on his Fox News show, and does so nightly.

--Sarah vs. Barbour? Yah, I like Barbour better.

Who else is running I can't say yet.

262 Having a sister who works 12-hour shifts in an ER, I applaud your efforts.  However, you still haven't caught up to Palin.   If she runs and is elected, she'll undertake to do some healthcare reforms that might help out with those 7-hour waits.

263

Unfortunately, people like you vote and that's the reason our country is in the condition it's in today.

Posted by: misty at March 09, 2011 04:38 PM (Su3Ax)

I think you've got it backwards.

264 **Just curious--what qualities would those be?

Nope, it really isn't "Brains"--those are what advisors are for. **

 

Disagree.  That strategy has not worked for Obama.  A leader is by nature highly intelligent, a master strategist and negotiator.  While no one can be an expert on every topic (that's what advisors are for) he or she should be able to speak off the cuff in detail about current issues.  He or she has a track record of achievement and knows how to get things done.   

**One quality that does count is courage, or guts if you will. A leader has to, well, you know, lead. Another is convictions--patriotic ones.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 09, 2011 04:46 PM (ujg0T) **

McCain is a patriot and has guts.  He also has poor impulse control, judgment and wrong ideas (at times).  Leaders have to be stable with a certain level of predictability in terms of reliability.

The next president will be a boring white guy who is drama free.  After 4 years of Obama that is not necessarily a bad thing.   Over the past election I noticed that people pick candidates like they pick spouses.   One thing a person of either sex learns by a certain age is that the flashy charmer who everybody wants does not usually make the best spouse.   It's the quiet, steady, consistent one who might seems average but once you take a second look is pure gold.

265 Palin is seen as an embarrassment because she is that woman in the office who wants to get by on her looks and charm without doing any of the work and by default, proves critics of women correct.   She feeds that stereotype in many ways.  She is not a serious person.   She does not want to work.   She thrives on attention and drama, two female stereotypes most of us can do without.

Posted by: misty at March 09, 2011 04:01 PM (Su3Ax)

What an obnoxious bunch of delusional drivel.   Not one scintilla of fact in your statement.   Palin got where she is by hard work, totally on her own.   She put herself through college, even though she had to take time off between semesters to earn her way.   She WON those elections and offices by working her butt off to get there.   She was not given a damn thing.

You are the person that is not serious, and should never be taken as such.  You're just pissed that she did it while making it look easy.   Sucks to be you.

266 Hosting GE theater and having a reality show are no way similar. If a lib candidate had a reality show this site and a fair amount of Palin fans would jump on that faster than Michael Moore on a Big Mac. Remember when Levi had a reality show in the works? Funny then reality shows were a sign of being losers. So it goes. Also when comparing other candidates remember you have to include Palin's negatives.

267 Also when comparing other candidates remember you have to include Palin's negatives.

Posted by: polynikes at March 09, 2011 06:06 PM (yKP4s)

Yeah, and once the MBM gets through with the other potential candidates Palin's will pale in comparison.

268 Re 204 For the longest time, I tried to think of a way that would be both fair to the women and men, and reduce single parenthood.

I can think of a way.

269 254Men should always be responsible for the children they father. That is part of being a real man. My point is cause and effect and that the sexual revolution and feminism for women changed the rules of the game.   polynikes at March 09, 2011 05:06 PM (yKP4s)   Yes, they should.  And kids should grow up in a stable, two parent house hold.  But that isn't what is going on.  Too often it isn't.  Men and women are both shitting the bed on this.    

270

John Holdren at March 09, 2011 06:14 PM (h35AH)

Ouch, that smarted...

I had to google the name to get your point though.  I guess I should have been paying more attention.  But now I remember Zombie did some reporting on him.  Man, that Holdren guy seemed like a psychopathic nut.

Seriously, manditory sterillization and euthanasia isn't what I'm in favor of.

271 Steph I really disagree. There may be reasonable arguments why Palin resigned as Governor but the fact is that running for President after voluntarily resigning as Governor in a state where your approval numbers were over 50% is a negative is bigger than anything out there. She will be portrayed as a quitter and America does not like quitters.

272 That was no snark on you, ed.  I agree with you.  I just like slamming that ghoul, Holdren.

273 This is one of the clearest, most concise descriptions of the left's favorite causes I've read in a long time:

The feminist revolution began as a necessary reform movement, but unfortunately evolved into a marxism-imbued, revolutionary one. Second-wave feminismÂ’s focus soon shifted from womenÂ’s equal rights (which are limited to those defined by law) to womenÂ’s interests (which are limitless), as perceived through a victimÂ’s lens.

Substitute civil rights, organized labor, environmental, gay rights, or whatever for feminist in those two sentences and you've captured the essence of contemporary liberalism.

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272 But you said above that your solution is for men to not pay child support, so which is it?

Or are you making some arguement that it is always the woman who opts for single parenthood?  Because if so, then you are incorrect -- and your solution would make it that much easier for men to opt out (since there would be no penalties whatsoever to father a child and then walk away, I mean right now there's hardly any penalty involved, this would reduce the last one), so how does that help?

I'm sorry, but I just can't follow the logic of reducing single motherhood this way -- unless you're saying that this will "scare women straight".  To which I would say "you are living in utopia where everything is perfectly logical and rational....even relationships between the sexes".  That world does not exist here.

275

unknown jane at March 09, 2011 06:52 PM (5/yRG)

I gotta go to work for a few hours.  If you're through flaming me, I'll answer the best I can when I get back.

276

60% of the Right is fiscally and socially as conservative as Palin or more so.

40% of the Right just wants someone boring but competent.

Looks like Cain takes their margin of victory and the GOP retreat is a rout.

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