September 12, 2011
— Ace Rick Perry announced he'd have a special guest tonight, and invited people to speculate about it on his website page.
Sarah Palin was a popular guess, but she's not coming; she had been invited by the debate's sponsors.
Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal just endorsed Perry, so that's his guest.
On Romney's side, he'll be bring Tim Pawlenty, who just endorsed him.
Tim Pawlenty's endorsement is helpful, but then, Tim Pawlenty previously criticized Romney sharply on RomneyCare, calling it ObamneyCare, and also saying that Romney couldn't adequately "prosecute" the case against ObamaCare, being a "co-conspirator" in its creation.
Of course, as candidates drop out, all of their endorsements of those still remaining in the race are going to have that flip-flop sort of aspect to them.
Rush Limbaugh warned candidates not to demagogue on Social Security, calling Romney out by name, but not mentioning Bachmann.
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You believed me???
Dude... there's a VP slot on the line here.....
Posted by: Tim Pawlenty at September 12, 2011 12:07 PM (3Okgs)
Posted by: LaQuisha Johnston at September 12, 2011 12:08 PM (48wze)
My guess who will endorse who.
Bachman, Santorum, Cain and Gingrich will endorse Perry
Huntsman will endorse Romney
And Ron Paul will stay in the race to raise funds that he'll keep when he retires.
Posted by: Ben at September 12, 2011 12:08 PM (wuv1c)
Wheaw is my vewy spethial guest?
Posted by: Bawney Fwankinheimoo at September 12, 2011 12:08 PM (SPVfc)
Posted by: Honey Badger at September 12, 2011 12:08 PM (GvYeG)
Posted by: Ben at September 12, 2011 12:08 PM (wuv1c)
Posted by: Long-time Commenter, First-time Reader (Part-time Perry supporter) at September 12, 2011 12:09 PM (Jbj03)
@9 - Yes, if that's true, it's going to leave a mark.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 12, 2011 12:10 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Ben at September 12, 2011 04:08 PM (wuv1c)
MMMMM...that Woofie Bwitzew is YUMMY! I think he has tea bag witten all ovew him!
Posted by: Bawney Fwankinheimoo at September 12, 2011 12:10 PM (SPVfc)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at September 12, 2011 12:10 PM (ZDUD4)
Posted by: steevy at September 12, 2011 12:12 PM (fyOgS)
Posted by: kansas at September 12, 2011 12:12 PM (mka2b)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at September 12, 2011 12:13 PM (ZDUD4)
Posted by: Sub-Tard at September 12, 2011 12:13 PM (0M3AQ)
Also, I think Bobby Jindal is a much bigger get than Tim Pawlenty.
Bobby Jindal is respected by all wings of the Republican party. The guy is a real life genius, and he's got conservative bona fides.
I can only assume that the next group to endorse Perry will be the Barbour faction and his supporters.
Posted by: Ben at September 12, 2011 12:13 PM (wuv1c)
You know, that's kind of fun. We could even do:
Some say that Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck. Others say that he is a miserable failure. I say this is a false choice: Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.
And so on...
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 12, 2011 12:14 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at September 12, 2011 12:14 PM (cbyrC)
Posted by: trainer at September 12, 2011 12:16 PM (Rojyk)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at September 12, 2011 12:16 PM (ZDUD4)
So this is the hot IDF Chick thread.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 12, 2011 12:16 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Dick Nixon at September 12, 2011 12:17 PM (kaOJx)
On Romney's side, he'll be bring Tim Pawlenty, who just endorsed him.
Tim Pawlenty's endorsement is helpful, but then, Tim Pawlenty previously criticized Romney sharply on RomneyCare, calling it ObamneyCare,So.. Much of this is theater dressing then..
Posted by: Dave C at September 12, 2011 12:17 PM (YahgP)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at September 12, 2011 12:17 PM (ZDUD4)
I denounce myself.
On the worst days of their entire lives, neither Jindal nor Perry will be a stuttering clusterf*** of a miserable failure. That number retires with Osama Obama.
Posted by: MrScribbler at September 12, 2011 12:18 PM (YjjrR)
Posted by: polynikes Texan for Romney at September 12, 2011 12:18 PM (PCEZn)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at September 12, 2011 12:18 PM (ZDUD4)
Also, I think Bobby Jindal is a much bigger get than Tim Pawlenty.
Bobby Jindal is respected by all wings of the Republican party. The guy is a real life genius, and he's got conservative bona fides.
I can only assume that the next group to endorse Perry will be the Barbour faction and his supporters.
Posted by: Ben.........
A southern governor from a neighboring state.. Barbour? Sounds like Foghorn Leghorn.
Yeah.. they got their conservative bona fides, but it really cements Perry in a a deep southerner.. not sure that plays too well up north here.
The new poll today was good for Perry though.. so I am staying hopefully optimistic.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 12, 2011 12:18 PM (f9c2L)
Posted by: Honey Badger at September 12, 2011 12:19 PM (GvYeG)
Jindel is a good (not surprising catch) for Perry. TPaw is ok for Mitt.
once again need to look at this from the general election perspective. In the general do you need the support of a deep red southern state gov (Jindel) or of a swing state governor in the midwest (MN)? We'll see.
The most anticipated endorsements will be Nikki Haley and Sarah Palin. Haley could help swing SC to her person while Palin could help swing the whole GOP nomination. Rubio would also be a big catch for FL
Posted by: nobama12 at September 12, 2011 12:19 PM (ykY2u)
Posted by: steevy at September 12, 2011 12:20 PM (fyOgS)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at September 12, 2011 12:21 PM (ZDUD4)
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 12, 2011 12:22 PM (nRTou)
Posted by: Naqamel at September 12, 2011 12:22 PM (UMwMT)
Posted by: SlaveDog at September 12, 2011 12:22 PM (9fDAi)
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at September 12, 2011 12:22 PM (pRYDs)
Yeah...but. After the whole dustup, saying Pawlenty endorsing Romney has a "flip-flop sort of aspect" is kind of like saying the Sun has a shiny aspect to it.
What little respect and faith I had for T-Paw just died. It is clear he is just an establishment operator.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at September 12, 2011 12:23 PM (0q2P7)
Disagree.
These are specifically Primary endorsements. What will matter in the general is how strongly the also-rans get behind the eventual candidate.
If Romney loses, how strongly will he campaign for Perry (or vice versa)? How strongly will those who endorsed the eventual 2nd (or 3rd, or 4th) place finisher campaign for the eventual winner?
The fact is, most people don't even know who T-Paw is (well, more, now, since he's been an actual candidate, but still not 'most'), and even fewer probably know who Bobby Jindal and Haley Barbour are. Their endorsements matter only within the "politically-plugged-in" class and inside their own states, really.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 12, 2011 12:23 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 12, 2011 12:24 PM (TMB3S)
Posted by: Raquel at September 12, 2011 12:24 PM (1wgaP)
Posted by: Romney at September 12, 2011 12:24 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: Countrysquire at September 12, 2011 12:25 PM (neP+b)
#40 I thought Rush talked more about Bachmann than Romney on this.
Rush is right that the GOP needs to get back to focusing on O and his miserable performance.
That said, the book Fed Up is a major chink in Perry's armor that he will need to overcome and be prepared for if he is the nominee. Rush and others need to realize that Perry needs to take his lumps now to be better for the general.
Posted by: nobama12 at September 12, 2011 12:25 PM (ykY2u)
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at September 12, 2011 12:26 PM (pRYDs)
A southern governor from a neighboring state.. Barbour? Sounds like Foghorn Leghorn.
Yeah.. they got their conservative bona fides, but it really cements Perry in a a deep southerner.. not sure that plays too well up north here.
The primary season is still very early. It'll be interesting to see who Scott Walker endorses.
Makes me conclude that maybe northerners need to start electing more conservatives, don't you think?
Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at September 12, 2011 12:27 PM (zK4pP)
Mitt Romney: Relying on the McCain 2008 strategy to get him elected.
Don't accept his offer to be vice-president Nikki Haley!
Posted by: buzzion at September 12, 2011 12:27 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: brak at September 12, 2011 12:28 PM (4/ACi)
Posted by: joncelli at September 12, 2011 12:28 PM (RD7QR)
Meh. If they're going to debate and have it on TV they've got to do it "in enemy territory." The only "friendly" arena on TV is FOX- and if they did all their debates there, they'd get creamed for "cowardice."
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 12, 2011 12:29 PM (8y9MW)
>>>A southern governor from a neighboring state.. Barbour? Sounds like Foghorn Leghorn.
Two of the first four primary states are southern states, South Carolina and Florida. Iowa is a socially conservative state unfriendly to Romney.
It's looking extremely likely that Perry will sweep three of the four with large margins. This is evidenced by Mitt Romney's extremely deparate SS scaremongering in Florida.
Jindal is a big get. He's very popular with conservatives all over America, not just in the South. His name was on the list of presidential candidates people wanted not too long ago.
As for Barbour, I don't think his endorsement will mean anything in terms of votes, but he had a large faction of the GOP and access to lots and lots of fundraising cash, and you can't discount how important money is to a national election.
I think this election will hinge on New Hampshire. If Perry can win new hampshire or only lose a by a few percentage points, then it's all over for Mitt. He can't lose 3 of the first four primary states and win it all. Republicans like to fall into line. If Perry is steam rolling, they'll jump on the bandwagon and leave Mitt behind
Posted by: Ben at September 12, 2011 12:30 PM (wuv1c)
America's Greatest Patriot doesn't need to collude with Big-Government, Anti-Liberty Faux-Conservatives to make his case to the People. The only "special guests" that matter are on his side: Truth and Freedom!
RAWN PAWL!!!1!
Posted by: The Guy Who Brings Up RAWN PAWL!!!1! at September 12, 2011 12:32 PM (Vy1lZ)
Posted by: polynikes Texan for Romney at September 12, 2011 12:32 PM (PCEZn)
I listened to the show and he did mention Bachmann on that very point. Let me go check. [re-listens to archive] he says the name "Michelle Bachmann" on that point at minute 2 of his first hour.
"And I'm hearing that Michelle Bachmann is preparing to lay into Rick Perry on his comments about social security being a Ponzi Scheme; I would like to warn everybody n* be careful here because you're pandering to the media, you're pandering to the left wing media by jumping on Perry on this Ponzi Scheme..."
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at September 12, 2011 12:32 PM (0q2P7)
Cain endorsed Romney last election, will again this time. Gingrich is a lot more likely to go with Romney, dreaded establishment type. Bachmann would have a very hard time going for Perry after her bashing of him, today's new web ad is pretty tough.
Most endorsements mean squat at the end of the day.
...............
I still don't get why ANYONE would endorse Romney. He is the most phony candidate in the field. This is what Romney version 4.0? He ran to the LEFT of Kennedy in 92 Senate race (Version 1.0), then when he ran for Governor he ran as a pro-choice, pro-gay marriage, tax and spend "Republican" (That was version 2.0), then in 2008 he was ran to the right of Tom Tancredo on illegal immigration, suddenly he was Pro-Life, and social conservative. (Version 3.0). Now we are on version 4.0, expect Version 5.0 soon enough.
Posted by: Raquel at September 12, 2011 12:32 PM (1wgaP)
At any price,
Drop a twenty and Pawlenty is mighty nice.
Pawlenty, Governor Pawlenty for sale.
Posted by: The Romney Camp at September 12, 2011 12:33 PM (znT2j)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 12, 2011 12:33 PM (TMB3S)
Posted by: steevy at September 12, 2011 04:20 PM (fyOgS)
Exactly, exactly, exactly. The party of dumb.
Posted by: Max Power at September 12, 2011 12:33 PM (q177U)
Posted by: steevy at September 12, 2011 12:34 PM (fyOgS)
#46 Understood but behind the endorsement is the message that they think that candidate should be the nominee so how they will do in the general must come into their thinking. Or else we have another Angle/O'Donnell situation (note I'm not comparing Perry to Angle/O'Donnell).
It has been said it will be Perry vs Romney. That can be spun a bunch of ways (somewhat conservative vs Rino, career politician vs Businessman, establishemnet vs. more establishment) so we'll see who wins
"Their endorsements only matter with the plugged in and in their states" - agree - that is why I was wondering if support in a deep red southern states is needed more than in a midwestern swing state
Posted by: nobama12 at September 12, 2011 12:34 PM (ykY2u)
Posted by: Countrysquire at September 12, 2011 12:34 PM (neP+b)
A: Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 12, 2011 12:34 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 12, 2011 12:35 PM (YYUcU)
I am on the edge of my seat waiting to find out who will get the coveted Buddy Roemer endorsement.
Posted by: Kansas Gman at September 12, 2011 12:35 PM (u4a/I)
Posted by: Guy Who Gets Confused But Really Likes Shellfish at September 12, 2011 12:35 PM (znT2j)
Posted by: Breaker19 at September 12, 2011 12:35 PM (WCm02)
>>>Like I said I can't wait for the Bolton endorsement. That should be fun. You would think that Perry would have picked up more than one endorsement by a Governor since he was the leader of the Republican Governors Association when he announced. Maybe this will open up the endorsement gates.
I'd be surprised if Bolton endorsed Romney. I'm not even sure what Romney's foreign policy is anyway.
I'm guessing that Perry had the Jindal endorsement in his pocket and was planning on playing it a lot later, but the T-Paw endorsement forced his hand.
I would assume that most candidates already have supporters who will endorsement lined up and are simply waiting for good moments to use said endorsements.
So I'm guessing both Romney and Perry have a pocket full of endorsements that they'll play as needed as the campaigns progress.
Posted by: Ben at September 12, 2011 12:36 PM (wuv1c)
Posted by: I'm in a New York state of mind at September 12, 2011 12:36 PM (4sQwu)
Posted by: nevergiveup at September 12, 2011 12:36 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: Honey Badger at September 12, 2011 12:37 PM (GvYeG)
T-Paw's endorsement will gather up all the wimp votes... from a red meat primary venue. Both of them.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 12, 2011 12:37 PM (r4t7/)
Posted by: I'm in a New York state of mind at September 12, 2011 12:37 PM (4sQwu)
As someone mentioned above, if Perry wins 3 of the first 4, it may as well already be over. The same, of course, would be true the other way around- if Romney won 3 of the first 4, it may as well be over.
As for whose endorsement is "bigger," I think you have to look at current "shinning star" types- and none of them, that I know of, have made any announcements. These would be your Scott Walkers, or Marco Rubios, your Allen West's or your Paul Ryan's. Wait for them to start moving.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 12, 2011 12:37 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: polynikes Texan for Romney at September 12, 2011 12:39 PM (PCEZn)
<<I'm guessing that Perry had the Jindal endorsement in his pocket and was planning on playing it a lot later, but the T-Paw endorsement forced his hand.>>
Well according to the comments above that is like throwing an kingto beat a 3. If so poor move on Perry's part.
Bolton may or may not endorse Romney. He is considered part of the Bush group so the thinking is he would lean toward Romney. Also until Perry starts talking foreign policy hard to see how Bolton could support him.
Posted by: nobama12 at September 12, 2011 12:39 PM (ykY2u)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 12, 2011 12:39 PM (TMB3S)
Who decides who wins?
Posted by: kansas at September 12, 2011 12:39 PM (mka2b)
If I had to guess, I'd say Romney's got Christie and Perry's got Barbour. Fallin and Martinez will probably go Perry, both being governors of Texas border states. Nikki Haley and Mitch Daniels are the two wildcards for me though.
Posted by: Oily Taitz at September 12, 2011 12:39 PM (TUax9)
Posted by: T-Paw epub at September 12, 2011 12:39 PM (q177U)
Posted by: Ben at September 12, 2011 12:39 PM (wuv1c)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 12, 2011 12:40 PM (r4wIV)
Posted by: Wolfe Blitzhead at September 12, 2011 12:40 PM (PEwFJ)
Posted by: Countrysquire at September 12, 2011 04:34 PM (neP+b)
What she could contradict Perry on is the term Ponzi scheme. She could up the ante say that it's worse than that, it's government extortion.
Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at September 12, 2011 12:40 PM (zK4pP)
>>Well according to the comments above that is like throwing an kingto beat a 3. If so poor move on Perry's part.
T-Paw has a low manna burn
Posted by: Ben at September 12, 2011 12:41 PM (wuv1c)
Posted by: Lady in Black at September 12, 2011 12:41 PM (ycuSb)
Posted by: nevergiveup at September 12, 2011 12:41 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: Oily Taitz at September 12, 2011 12:42 PM (TUax9)
That said, the book Fed Up is a major chink in Perry's armor that he will need to overcome and be prepared for if he is the nominee. Rush and others need to realize that Perry needs to take his lumps now to be better for the general.
Posted by: nobama12Have you read the book?
Posted by: Pres. Obaka at September 12, 2011 12:43 PM (s1vtf)
Posted by: polynikes Texan for Romney at September 12, 2011 12:43 PM (PCEZn)
Posted by: Countrysquire at September 12, 2011 12:43 PM (neP+b)
Posted by: Honey Badger at September 12, 2011 12:43 PM (GvYeG)
Posted by: Wolfe Blitzhead at September 12, 2011 12:44 PM (PEwFJ)
Posted by: nobama12 at September 12, 2011 12:44 PM (ykY2u)
>>>Endorsements are like assholes. Everyone has one
Yeah, but in a state by state election, a popular person in that state can influence votes.
For example, let's say Pat Toomey were to endorse Perry, it would make it considerably harder for Mitt to win a state that he should by all accounts win. (in reality it won't matter, we vote April 22, long after the race is over).
But the point is there are states where an endorsement can have a big effect.
Posted by: Ben at September 12, 2011 12:44 PM (wuv1c)
Posted by: Guy Without An Asshole at September 12, 2011 12:45 PM (znT2j)
Posted by: Honey Badger at September 12, 2011 04:37 PM (GvYeG)
Good post. Got me to thinking: Who was the closest to conservative on the ticket, and which ticket won?
Ford/Dole
Reagan/Bush
Bush/Quayle
Dole/Kemp
Bush/Cheney
McCain/Palin
(still tryin' to figure it out myself)
Posted by: Breaker19 at September 12, 2011 12:46 PM (WCm02)
Posted by: buzzion at September 12, 2011 12:46 PM (GULKT)
Yeah, but sometimes the only thing you have in suit is the King. Then, you throw the King. It does look bad if one candidate is racking up endorsements (remember: quantity has a quality all its own) and one candidate is not. So it's possible that, while he might have liked to wait a little bit to pull out the Jindal endorsement, it was the least over-kill he had.
Who decides who wins?
Errr... voters? Mine was simply a statement of fact. In a multi-way race, if one candidate takes 75% of the first 4 primaries, virtually everyone will throw in with that candidate.
He must be a RINO.
Okay, now you're getting annoyingly stupid. In 2008 the race was very, very different. Functionally, you had Romney, Huckabee, McCain, and then a variety of "also-rans." Of those, Romney was, hands down, the most conservative.
Stop acting all butt-hurt when we point out that, with this set of options, that is no longer the case. As I recall, people were really only enthused about Romney in relation to McCain in 2008- had Thompson come out and actually campaigned, or Guiliani not been quite so dumb as to hang his hat entirely on Florida, we might have had a different primary season altogether.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 12, 2011 12:46 PM (8y9MW)
The checks to pay his wife's credit card bill.
Bada Bing!
Tip your waitress, but don't look under her skirt.
2 shows on Tuesday.
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at September 12, 2011 12:47 PM (PEwFJ)
Posted by: joncelli at September 12, 2011 12:47 PM (RD7QR)
What she could contradict Perry on is the term Ponzi scheme. She could up the ante say that it's worse than that, it's government extortion.
Not really no.
Everyone already knows Bachmann is out in the tea party wing. There's one "tea party" candidate bashing Social Security and he's kicking her ass and stealing her base.
Bachmann trying to attack SS to differentiate herself from Perry would do jack-squat. The voters who like their (joint) message have been deserting her hand over fist for Perry. It's quite aptly demonstrated by all the polling ever since Perry entered - if their position is the same, she'll lose to him. I won't bother to speculate why in this comment because it's irrelevant why, really; she will.
This would be one more place she's like Perry, and one more place Perry ends up preferred. The only way she can do anything with this issue is if she positions herself uniquely as the far-right Tea Party candidate who won't wreck social security... and see whatever that get's her, if anything.
I hope, if she goes that route, it ends up being a bad bet because Social Security sucks.
Posted by: Entropy at September 12, 2011 12:48 PM (IsLT6)
He seems to have real chemistry with that Nancy Pelosi woman. I'll bet she's the one he endorses!
Posted by: Kensington at September 12, 2011 12:48 PM (znT2j)
Posted by: SlaveDog at September 12, 2011 12:48 PM (9fDAi)
*looks down ashamed*
Posted by: Guy Without An Asshole at September 12, 2011 04:45 PM (znT2j)
"Dat's why dey so mean!" -- From, "I Think We're All Bozos On This Bus"
Posted by: K~Bob, who says, This SCOAMF goes to eleven. at September 12, 2011 12:48 PM (ydjiB)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 12, 2011 12:49 PM (TMB3S)
>>Well according to the comments above that is like throwing an kingto beat a 3. If so poor move on Perry's part.
T-Paw has a low manna burn
You want to show momentum. Finish the race before it starts. Mittens wants to try and build steam, totally destroy it. As he brings out a big reveal make him look like a Prius on the Daytona 500.
And of course the penultimate discussion of the "Chicago Way"
"Here's how you get Capone:
he pulls a knife, you pull a gun.
He sends one of yours to hospital,
you send one of his to the morgue!
That's the Chicago way!
And that's how you get Capone."
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at September 12, 2011 12:49 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: steevy at September 12, 2011 12:49 PM (fyOgS)
Posted by: Countrysquire at September 12, 2011 12:51 PM (neP+b)
Posted by: Honey Badger at September 12, 2011 12:51 PM (GvYeG)
Maybe it's a trick to show just how darned strong a swimmer he really is!
Posted by: K~Bob, who says, This SCOAMF goes to eleven. at September 12, 2011 12:51 PM (ydjiB)
Posted by: polynikes Texan for Romney at September 12, 2011 12:52 PM (PCEZn)
I like Perry. I will vote for Perry. However, people need to realize the magnitude of opposition research that is going on to bring this guy down.
ObamaÂ’s people know their only hope is to find the two nuns and the midget from that one drunken night. Perry has not been vetted and that should scare the hell out of everyone who wants Obama gone in 2012.
Run Sarah, Run.
Posted by: jwest at September 12, 2011 12:52 PM (qeYI9)
Also, with Mittens going around screaming that Perry wants grandma to eat catfood, it's fairly impossible (in perception - which dictates votes - not policy) to outflank him to the right on this one.
Even without considering that it was also already impossible before Mittens went after him, because the dude has the balls to call it a ponzi scheme in broad public. That shit is pressing the overton window right there. Best you can hope for is a tie because Perry is actually leading the way on this issue.
Posted by: Entropy at September 12, 2011 12:52 PM (IsLT6)
Arpaio has replaced Tancredo as the face of single-issue illegal immigration hawks, no way he endorses Perry. I could see Bachmann, though.
Posted by: Oily Taitz at September 12, 2011 12:52 PM (TUax9)
>>>120 Yep,I supported Romney for that reason.This time around we have better choices(Mitt has also regressed with his AGW announcement and now scare tactics on SS).
I too backed Mitt in 2008 given the options we had. To me Huckabee was George W. Bush part 2, McCain was a democrat, and Romney was someone who had business experience. (actually I backed the Fred first but he fizzled out almost immediately.)
Now given our options I am backing Perry. I didn't dislike Mitt a whole lot until he did the SS scaremongering. To me that is unforgiveable.
Posted by: Ben at September 12, 2011 12:52 PM (wuv1c)
Posted by: t-bird at September 12, 2011 12:54 PM (FcR7P)
Posted by: Dick Nixon at September 12, 2011 12:54 PM (kaOJx)
So, basically you're saying that Perry can get Bolton's support by ending a response to Wolf with "...and one more thing. Fuck the UN in its ass."
Posted by: Countrysquire at September 12, 2011 04:51 PM (neP+b)
Probably. And probably quite a few others too.
Posted by: buzzion at September 12, 2011 12:54 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: Countrysquire at September 12, 2011 04:51 PM (neP+b)
If he did this, I would write Perry in on every single race on the ballot.
Posted by: Oily Taitz at September 12, 2011 12:54 PM (TUax9)
This would be one more place she's like Perry, and one more place Perry ends up preferred. The only way she can do anything with this issue is if she positions herself uniquely as the far-right Tea Party candidate who won't wreck social security... and see whatever that get's her, if anything.
I hope, if she goes that route, it ends up being a bad bet because Social Security sucks.
Posted by: Entropy at September 12, 2011 04:48 PM (IsLT6)
It'll be interesting nonetheless to see how she approaches this. Of course, God help us, if Perry starts backtracking in any way, then it'll be open season on him from all the candidates.
BUT. Perry has the double-digit lead. I don't see him backing down.
Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at September 12, 2011 12:55 PM (zK4pP)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 12, 2011 12:55 PM (TMB3S)
Posted by: Ben at September 12, 2011 04:39 PM (wuv1c)
I'd put McDonnell on the very short list for a Perry VP.
Posted by: Havedash at September 12, 2011 12:57 PM (sFD5n)
I still think Perry will clean up on governors' endorsements, but I guess time will tell.
Posted by: Y-not hasn't read any of the comments all day today at September 12, 2011 12:57 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 12, 2011 12:57 PM (XE2Oo)
>>Tancredo hates Perry. I expect to see him come out of the woodwork once the issue turns to illegal immigration.
I concur, but he's not going to come out backing Romeny, that's for sure. Tancredo is one of those, "only I am a true conservative types" and while I like the guy, what he says won't mean much.
The problem for Romney is that he's not really to the right of Perry on any of the issues. So anytime someone says, "Well Perry isn't conservative enough on this issue" , there won't be much benefit for Romney because he is less conservative.
Posted by: Ben at September 12, 2011 12:57 PM (wuv1c)
#124 - Tonight should be interesting if it really turns out to be a Tparty event.
Romney isn't a Tea Party favorite but Perry is a come lately to them so their support of him isn't guaranteed. Also remember seeing a few articles that said that being a Tea party member doesn't mean they are anti social security so don't assume Perry's position is a winner with them.
Posted by: nobama12 at September 12, 2011 12:57 PM (ykY2u)
If people wet their pants over Perry's SS stand ... can you imagine what would happen if he said f*** the UN?
End of the world as we know it...
Posted by: Honey Badger at September 12, 2011 12:57 PM (GvYeG)
I have a hard time imagining that. Huntsman hates Romney.
I wonder if he'll do one of those lame-ass "the party left me" speeches and not endorse anyone.
Posted by: Y-not hasn't read any of the comments all day today at September 12, 2011 12:58 PM (5H6zj)
ObamaÂ’s people know their only hope is to find the two nuns and the midget from that one drunken night. Perry has not been vetted and that should scare the hell out of everyone who wants Obama gone in 2012.
That's kind of frank bullshit. What the hell are you talking about? The dude is the longest serving Governor of Texas. Texas Dem's have thrown everything at him, including the kitchen sink and also a second, gay kitchen sink for good measure.
Not vetted? Are you the demagogued or the demagogous? That's just ... like, flat out make up nonsense Chewbacca territory. How do you think the fact that Perry is a Anton LaVey style Satanist will effect his election chances?
And the solution to this is.... Sarah Palin?!?!?
Posted by: Entropy at September 12, 2011 12:58 PM (IsLT6)
I have a hard time imagining that. Huntsman hates Romney.
I wonder if he'll do one of those lame-ass "the party left me" speeches and not endorse anyone.
Obama.
Posted by: Entropy at September 12, 2011 12:59 PM (IsLT6)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 12, 2011 12:59 PM (TMB3S)
>>>120 Yep,I supported Romney for that reason.This time around we have better choices(Mitt has also regressed with his AGW announcement and now scare tactics on SS).
I too backed Mitt in 2008 given the options we had. To me Huckabee was George W. Bush part 2, McCain was a democrat, and Romney was someone who had business experience. (actually I backed the Fred first but he fizzled out almost immediately.)
Now given our options I am backing Perry. I didn't dislike Mitt a whole lot until he did the SS scaremongering. To me that is unforgiveable.
Posted by: Ben at September 12, 2011 04:52 PM (wuv1c)
+1
What he said all the way thru
Posted by: Truman North at September 12, 2011 12:59 PM (I2LwF)
Posted by: lonetown at September 12, 2011 12:59 PM (u8fOP)
Posted by: nevergiveup at September 12, 2011 01:00 PM (i6RpT)
Tancredo endorsed Romney last time.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 12, 2011 01:00 PM (FkKjr)
It's true, the lure of football is pretty strong. Especially after my mserable 4 on the Pick'Em league for opening weekend.
Posted by: toby928™ at September 12, 2011 01:00 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: polynikes Texan for Romney at September 12, 2011 01:00 PM (PCEZn)
Without exaggeration: Arpaio is a freakin' crook. I view his endorsement as a negative.
Posted by: Meiczyslaw at September 12, 2011 01:00 PM (bjRNS)
Posted by: nobama12 at September 12, 2011 01:00 PM (ykY2u)
Posted by: nevergiveup at September 12, 2011 01:01 PM (i6RpT)
OK, I guess I was right to never hitch onto Pawlenty. He is a weasel.
So is the primary going to be North vs South then?
Posted by: Y-not hasn't read any of the comments all day today at September 12, 2011 01:01 PM (5H6zj)
Nope, he hasn't been vetted at all. He's only won 3 Gubernatorial races in Texas, plus races for the Texas House, Ag Commissioner, and Lt. Governor. In the most recent Governor's race, he was "vetted" by both the Rove and Clinton machines.
Perry has not been nationally vetted- and that's a whole different thing. He'll survive the national vetting process.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 12, 2011 01:01 PM (8y9MW)
Well, duh. The Smart Partytm decided to have a debate during the first week of monday night football. I'll read about it later. Plus Newt will whip them again and get less support, so its just a matter of who attacks who and who gaffes one up.
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at September 12, 2011 01:02 PM (PEwFJ)
Posted by: Michele Bachmann at September 12, 2011 01:02 PM (Vy1lZ)
Posted by: Honey Badger at September 12, 2011 01:02 PM (GvYeG)
I've always thought Tancredo was a xenophobic crank, but I'd classify myself as a centrist on the immigration issue. The only thing about Perry's immigration record that I find irksome is the E-Verify stuff. Perry's simply not going to win primary voters who prioritize immigration, just like Romney's not going to win those who favor healthcare.
Posted by: Oily Taitz at September 12, 2011 01:02 PM (TUax9)
"Exactly Perry has not been vetted "
You are new to this political stuff aren't you? Any dirt on Perry that exists would have already been used against him in Texas. Politics is a full contact sport down there.
Posted by: Dick Nixon at September 12, 2011 01:02 PM (kaOJx)
I wonder if he'll do one of those lame-ass "the party left me" speeches and not endorse anyone.
Posted by: Y-not hasn't read any of the comments all day today at September 12, 2011 04:58 PM (5H6zj)
I thought the secret underwear types were bound by church ordinance to stick together and promote one another.
Posted by: Havedash at September 12, 2011 01:02 PM (sFD5n)
Posted by: at September 12, 2011 01:03 PM (k1rwm)
OT, but whoever it was who posted the sidebar link yesterday about the skys being shut down on 9/11....PLEASE let me know where I can find the link again.
The story was in two parts and I read the first part, postively glued to the edge of my seat as if I didn't know how the story would end. It was riveting and now the link is gone.
As I said yesterday, when they compile a list of the best articles about that day, that article should be amongst them.
Does anyone have the link?
Posted by: Clueless at September 12, 2011 01:03 PM (LyOUH)
Posted by: steevy at September 12, 2011 01:03 PM (fyOgS)
Posted by: Truman North at September 12, 2011 01:03 PM (I2LwF)
Perry, a man in politics for twenty years, has not been vetted. And fire is wet.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 12, 2011 01:03 PM (FkKjr)
Posted by: toby928™ at September 12, 2011 01:03 PM (GTbGH)
I>>>t's true, the lure of football is pretty strong. Especially after my mserable 4 on the Pick'Em league for opening weekend.
The Pats v. Miami game will be tough to turn off. I've always hated the Pats but now I hate them even more since the owner Kraft came out and said we need a VAT
There will be a liveblog for the debate tonight though, so that should make it more entertaining.
Posted by: Ben at September 12, 2011 01:04 PM (wuv1c)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at September 12, 2011 01:04 PM (ZDUD4)
Posted by: at September 12, 2011 01:04 PM (k1rwm)
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 12, 2011 04:59 PM (o2lIv)
Thanks for posting that.
I've been wondering if that would get posted before the mad, mad rush to uhhh, Pass This Bill, uhhh, right away!
Posted by: K~Bob, who says, at September 12, 2011 01:04 PM (ydjiB)
Romney: Pawlenty, Daniels, who else? I really have a hard time seeing Huntsman endorsing him because of personal animosity
Perry: Jindal, Haley, Christie, maybe Palin?
Posted by: Y-not at September 12, 2011 01:05 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: nevergiveup at September 12, 2011 05:00 PM (i6RpT)
Foreign policy is where, at least, some of the rubber hits the road. I'd like to hear everyone's take on what should be done with Iraq and Afghanistan.
Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at September 12, 2011 01:06 PM (zK4pP)
Posted by: jeannebodine, sum b*tch at September 12, 2011 01:06 PM (nvlAW)
Who, again? Oh, you mean that guy who tried his best to split the conservative vote in Colorado?
Exactly Perry has not been vetted
Really, where are you getting this talking point? Is it straight from camp Romney? Or maybe camp C4P?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 12, 2011 01:06 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: at September 12, 2011 01:06 PM (k1rwm)
Posted by: steevy at September 12, 2011 01:07 PM (fyOgS)
Harry Reid would tend to disagree.
Seriously, though, Huntsman (and his mom) really hates Romney.
Posted by: Y-not at September 12, 2011 01:07 PM (5H6zj)
I just skimmed Pawlenty's rationale for the endorsement. What made you come to that conclusion? T-Paw emphasized Romney's private sector experience, which is certainly a plus in Romney's candidacy. He didn't mention this, but both men were governors of blue states, facing an opposition legislature. Maybe Pawlenty thought this was an advantage when dealing with Congress.
Posted by: Oily Taitz at September 12, 2011 01:07 PM (TUax9)
Ace, watch the video. That's just embarassing.
Posted by: Heorot at September 12, 2011 01:07 PM (Nq/UF)
Posted by: at @ k1rwm at September 12, 2011 01:08 PM (pLTLS)
It's probable Kraft meant that he needed a vat of alcohol.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 12, 2011 01:08 PM (FkKjr)
If so, that would be great.
I actually would be happy to have him on the ticket, if he could deal with his wife issues.
Posted by: Y-not at September 12, 2011 01:09 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at September 12, 2011 01:09 PM (ZDUD4)
Posted by: joncelli at September 12, 2011 01:09 PM (RD7QR)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 12, 2011 01:09 PM (TMB3S)
Because I am.
RON PAUL!
Posted by: at @ k1rwm at September 12, 2011 05:08 PM (pLTLS)
geez, you point out that a lot of twenty somethings like paul and you get labeled a paul bot. then you point out that christie probably won't endorse perry in the race and you get this above post.
read my posts, been absolutely correct about christie so far. he probably won't get involved at all. no law says he has to endorse anyone.
Posted by: at September 12, 2011 01:09 PM (k1rwm)
Perry: Jindal, Haley, Christie, maybe Palin?
WTF? Christie goes Romney. He's totally a Romney guy, if not Huntsman which... yeah he's not dumb.
But I'd be shocked if he endorsed Perry.
Posted by: Entropy at September 12, 2011 01:09 PM (IsLT6)
Posted by: Breaker19 at September 12, 2011 01:09 PM (WCm02)
Posted by: blaster at September 12, 2011 01:09 PM (l5dj7)
I've been wondering if that would get posted before the mad, mad rush to uhhh, Pass This Bill, uhhh, right away!
Second thing I noticed-- it has a severability clause.
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 12, 2011 01:10 PM (o2lIv)
Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp barbarian, tea party terrorist and Perry supporter at September 12, 2011 05:06 PM (qjUnn)
I hope so. I don't put much stock in endorsements (except that they're fun to speculate about), but Daniels is a man I respect more than almost any major politician. Had he gotten in the race, I would have supported him over Perry.
Posted by: Oily Taitz at September 12, 2011 01:10 PM (TUax9)
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at September 12, 2011 01:10 PM (PEwFJ)
Anyway, RON PAUL!
Posted by: at @ k1rwm at September 12, 2011 01:10 PM (pLTLS)
You are new to this political stuff aren't you? Any dirt on Perry that exists would have already been used against him in Texas. Politics is a full contact sport down there.
Posted by: Dick Nixon at September 12, 2011 05:02 PM (kaOJx)
Yeah. Here in the south we love collecting the blood out of the oppositions wounds. We use it in out BBQ sauce.
Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at September 12, 2011 01:10 PM (zK4pP)
Posted by: polynikes Texan for Romney at September 12, 2011 01:10 PM (PCEZn)
Posted by: Da Lumberjacks at September 12, 2011 01:10 PM (CAArl)
I suspect we'll be seeing more than a few people decline to endorse Romney after doing so in 2008. It's a different field.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 12, 2011 01:11 PM (SY2Kh)
This.
There are, to my mind, three issues for this election:
1) Economy- what do you plan to do? (Note: "Nothing" is, indeed, an option)
2) GWOT/Foreign Policy
3) ObamaCare
Everything else is extraneous.
Also- Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 12, 2011 01:11 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: nevergiveup at September 12, 2011 01:11 PM (i6RpT)
Seriously, though, Huntsman (and his mom) really hates Romney.
Posted by: Y-not at September 12, 2011 05:07 PM (5H6zj)
LoL...Reid has the special short bus exception, and besides, his underwear is usually soiled.
I didn't know Huntsman (and his mom) hates Romney. That is interesting. Thanks for the info. What's the background on this, if I may ask.
Posted by: Havedash at September 12, 2011 01:11 PM (sFD5n)
Posted by: Waterhouse at September 12, 2011 01:11 PM (3p99J)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at September 12, 2011 01:11 PM (ZDUD4)
God, I've been a Pats fan since age 4. Hearing the constant venom for the Pats hurts my heart.
Then again, I hate the Yankees for the same reasons and with the same passion most people hate the Patriots, so my head understands it.
Posted by: Truman North at September 12, 2011 01:11 PM (I2LwF)
Anyway, RON PAUL!
Posted by: at @ k1rwm at September 12, 2011 05:10 PM (pLTLS)
this is wholly unfair. I'm going to have to keep reposting this crap and saying it isn't me.
christie would never endorse perry. it will come down to north versus south.
Posted by: at September 12, 2011 01:12 PM (k1rwm)
Let me rephrase for clarityÂ…
I like Perry. I will vote for Perry.
The idea that “Texas Dem's have thrown everything at him, including the kitchen sink and also a second, gay kitchen sink…” simply underscores the lack of understanding people have with the level of opposition research Perry is going to face.
There is no debate on policy. There is no debate on results. The only thing Obama has to spend a billion dollars on with laser-like focus is dirt dug up on Perry. Still, some would argue that three hippies in Austin have uncovered everything humanly possible about Perry with their Texas Democrat Oppo-Research Budget (about $32.50).
Remember, John Edwards had great hair too.
Posted by: jwest at September 12, 2011 01:12 PM (qeYI9)
You mean, when Romney propagated a transparently stupid misrepresentation of Perry's statement? How is that comparable to pointing out Mittcare sucks?
illegals is the biggest problem Perry has and it hasn't even been discussed yet. It will be.
And Mitt can valiantly say that he deported all the illegals from his landscaping crew.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 12, 2011 01:12 PM (FkKjr)
"illegals is the biggest problem Perry has and it hasn't even been discussed yet."
Actually it has. Perry called for more Border Patrol agents, the National Guard to be put on the border, using Predator drones on the border, and told the Houston Chronicle there should be no national immigration reform without securing the border.
Posted by: Dick Nixon at September 12, 2011 01:12 PM (kaOJx)
lol Fat Mittens. One of the morons posted that in the sidebar a few weeks back.
Oh, yes, it was me.
Posted by: Truman North at September 12, 2011 01:12 PM (I2LwF)
It's also in Schitt-e format, proving it was the hack, rush job we knew it would be. IF they even take this bill seriously, the Republicans should be laughed out of office.
Posted by: K~Bob, who says, "This SCOAMF goes to eleven." at September 12, 2011 01:13 PM (ydjiB)
From yo link:
Rush says that some of these GOP candidates are on the record saying the same thing that Perry said about Social Security, namely Romney, and he is warning them not to attack Perry over it. He also warns Bachmann by name, saying heÂ’s heard she is planning an attack on Perry as well:
Posted by: Just Say No To Grand Bargains at September 12, 2011 01:14 PM (EL+OC)
Posted by: jeannebodine, sum b*tch at September 12, 2011 01:15 PM (nvlAW)
Posted by: Oily Taitz at September 12, 2011 01:15 PM (TUax9)
Posted by: Truman North at September 12, 2011 01:15 PM (I2LwF)
I heard somewhere that Perry's mentor is a preacher who praises Farrakhan and Gaddafi. That alone should doom his candidacy.
Yes, Rick Perry is a radical muslim terrorist.
Go with that one.
You heard that from the kooks claiming anyone who has ever shaken hands with Grover Norquist was in on the USS Cole bombing.
Posted by: Entropy at September 12, 2011 01:15 PM (IsLT6)
The point is that I (who am pretty plugged in: see also: debating on a Political Blog) had to wrack my brains to remember who Tancredo even is.
As for immigration coming up in the campaign, I sort of doubt it. There are three issues right now, and immigration isn't one of them.
Here in the south we love collecting the blood out of the oppositions wounds. We use it in out BBQ sauce.
This.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 12, 2011 01:16 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Waterhouse at September 12, 2011 05:11 PM (3p99J)
It's been reported that Ron Paul with have a gang of thug-looking 'bodyguards' behind him tonight; you know, the ones who'll be the first to dive for cover at any sign of trouble.
Posted by: Breaker19 at September 12, 2011 01:16 PM (WCm02)
Posted by: blaster at September 12, 2011 01:16 PM (l5dj7)
That would be Lincoln Chaffee of RI
Posted by: Truman North at September 12, 2011 01:16 PM (I2LwF)
"claiming anyone who has ever shaken hands with Grover Norquist"
Palin was in on that, wasn't she?
Posted by: Dick Nixon at September 12, 2011 01:16 PM (kaOJx)
Posted by: LaQuisha Johnston at September 12, 2011 01:17 PM (48wze)
Even though no one wants me here. But because I have a really good grasp on reality and perspective I'll keep posting here. Oh we're uh, I, I mean, I, I'm also being paid to link nonsensical Trig Truther bullshit in dead threads. Oh did I say that aloud? Oopsie *hic*
RON PAUL!
Posted by: at @ k1rwm at September 12, 2011 01:17 PM (pLTLS)
---
There was actually a good Vanity Fair (I think it was) article about Huntsman and Romney a while back that jives with what I have heard from Utahns (and LDS members). The animosity springs in large part from the Olympics. When the SLC Olympics organizing was in disarray (and I think on the verge of bankruptcy), the call went out for people to apply to take charge. IIRC Huntsman (Jr) felt he should not have to "apply," so he was royally teed-off when Romney won the position. Then, to add insult to injury, Romney did what I've heard universally to be a wonderful job turning them around.
If you read the article, you can tell that Huntsman's mom still holds a lot of resentment toward Mitt. I've had it confirmed by quite a few folks that she holds grudges. The father is a major philanthropist and (I think) high up in the Church, so he is I gather somewhat removed from all of this and seems well-liked here. But Huntsman is not popular around here at all, especially when compared to Mitt.
Posted by: Y-not at September 12, 2011 01:18 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: blaster at September 12, 2011 01:18 PM (l5dj7)
Posted by: Truman North at September 12, 2011 05:15 PM (I2LwF)
You did and the fact that it's still not corrected by Ace, as someone else mentioned, is embarrassing.
Posted by: Just Say No To Grand Bargains at September 12, 2011 01:18 PM (EL+OC)
They've jammed Kerry's infrastructure bank in there too, so at least it'll "create" a few new useless bureaucrats pushing paper around to cover up more failed projects.
Posted by: Waterhouse at September 12, 2011 01:18 PM (3p99J)
You mean, when Romney propagated a transparently stupid misrepresentation of Perry's statement? How is that comparable to pointing out Mittcare sucks?
LOFL good point.
In other words, cuz Romney's position sucks on both issues.
Posted by: Entropy at September 12, 2011 01:18 PM (IsLT6)
Really? Isn't he the dude who is practically a democrat already?
Posted by: Y-not at September 12, 2011 01:18 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Truman North at September 12, 2011 05:16 PM (I2LwF)
Seriously? I'm sure John Bolton appreciates that.
Posted by: Oily Taitz at September 12, 2011 01:19 PM (TUax9)
Posted by: Ian S. at September 12, 2011 01:19 PM (tqwMN)
Well then that makes sense as Romney is DemLite anyway.
Posted by: lu at September 12, 2011 01:19 PM (pLTLS)
Posted by: Truman North, TPT at September 12, 2011 01:20 PM (I2LwF)
This is so obtuse I don't know where to begin. Just in 2010 (forget the ones before that, but they were quite nasty enough, thankyouverymuch), Rick Perry went against Kay Bailey Hutchison (in the Primary) who was supported and advised by no less than Karl Rove. With all that implies. His Democrat opponent, Bill White, was supported and partially bank-rolled by the Clintons. If you don't think those two groups turned over every rock they could find, you're deluding yourself.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 12, 2011 01:20 PM (8y9MW)
I suppose since she was willing for him to run for governor, there is a chance she'd be willing to put up with a VP run.
Posted by: Y-not at September 12, 2011 01:20 PM (5H6zj)
It's also in Schitt-e format, proving it was the hack, rush job we knew it would be. IF they even take this bill seriously, the Republicans should be laughed out of office.
The Administration is amending an old appropriations act multiple times, I see.
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 12, 2011 01:21 PM (o2lIv)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 12, 2011 01:21 PM (TMB3S)
Posted by: at September 12, 2011 01:21 PM (k1rwm)
Posted by: Countrysquire at September 12, 2011 01:22 PM (neP+b)
No, Linc Chaffee HAS NOT endorsed Mittens.
It was a joke.
And Chaffee is left of the RI dem party. He won in a three-way race with the support of public employee unions and illegal immigrant groups. And like four guys who thought they were voting for his father.
Posted by: Truman North, TPT at September 12, 2011 01:22 PM (I2LwF)
All I meant by "wife issues" re Daniels was her unwillingness for him to run for POTUS. Nothing more.
Yes, but by all I infer from "wife issues" he pretty much needs to dump the bitch, and spend 10 years shooting testosterone suplements into his eyeball and training martial arts with Chuck Norris before he stands a chance at getting anywhere near the white house.
Posted by: Entropy at September 12, 2011 01:22 PM (IsLT6)
Pawlenty has organization and donors in IA, NH and FL. Jindal is just a name. He is not going to bring anything.
LA was never in question for the anti-Romney. MN is a much more important state in this process. Romney is quietly building superior organization is key states.
Posted by: Winning at September 12, 2011 01:23 PM (yzA37)
Hey SCOAMF, how many private schools have a 40% poverty rate, anyway?
What's that? Oh, yes, a madrassa, perhaps.
Posted by: K~Bob, who says, at September 12, 2011 01:23 PM (ydjiB)
Posted by: Entropy at September 12, 2011 01:23 PM (IsLT6)
Anyone thinking that these endorsements are an indication of who they will pick for vice-president is a fucking idiot.
Anyone thinking we should engage in identity politics and choose a woman for vice president just for being a woman is a liberal fucking idiot.
Posted by: buzzion at September 12, 2011 01:23 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 12, 2011 01:24 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Winning at September 12, 2011 01:25 PM (yzA37)
I was planning on sitting out the election this fall, since nothing is really contested and Bobby's not worth voting for absent a Democrat challenger. Still, odds are pretty damned good that he'll be Vice President 16 months from now so I guess I'd better be sure I choose wisely between the two scumbags in the lieutenant gov's race.
Bobby would have a much more compelling narrative if he'd actually done something in four years as governor besides wink-and-nod at the gang of organized criminals known as the Louisiana Legislature, but "Perry/Jindal" will look very good on campaign signs, the future running mate speaks very well, and the whole young/ethnic thing will fit the bill very nicely.
Geaux, Bobby, Geaux!
Dardenne or Nungesser.... ah, shit....
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at September 12, 2011 01:25 PM (KxADM)
Posted by: Jones at September 12, 2011 01:25 PM (8sCoq)
Allen, I don't know jwest's level of devotion to Saint Sarah, but for the most dedicated Palinistas, everything revolves around Sarah and her experiences are parallel to all other politicians. The media and nation at-large knew relatively little about Palin prior to the 2008 national campaign, ergo the media and nation know nothing about Perry right now. Forget the fact that we have four different media markets in Texas that are larger than the entire state of Alaska. Forget the fact that the DNC has been itching to flip our state legislature the past five years. Stuff like that is completely beyond them.
Posted by: Oily Taitz at September 12, 2011 01:26 PM (TUax9)
Anyway, if Bachmann does attack Perry for this, its over for her. She'll lose every reason anyone is backing her. If she attacks him, she becomes a hack politician and loses her tea party membership card. Oh and she deserves the same ridicule that Romney gets. Romney is such a disgrace with his flyers and robo calls to seniors in Florida saying Perry wants 'to destroy SS and medicare!!11!!1' it makes me sick. What a hack.
Still better than Obama, but a hack. Please Michelle don't make the same mistake
Posted by: Billy Barty at September 12, 2011 01:26 PM (LqEzN)
Posted by: Dick Nixon at September 12, 2011 01:26 PM (kaOJx)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at September 12, 2011 01:27 PM (ZDUD4)
Endorsements usually amount to jackshit. But if its a former candidate its much more important.
Romney gets Pawlenty donor lists, email lists, staff, research on the early states. If it swings 5% of the Iowa vote into the Romney, it could be huge.
Posted by: Winning at September 12, 2011 01:27 PM (yzA37)
Well, I didn't intend that, but I know there was a lot of talk like that, so I do apologize for phrasing it that way.
I had hoped that when Pawlenty dropped out quickly (after Rick jumped in) it was a sign that he'd had some discussions with Perry about a VP slot. I am not a Pawlenty fan (never was), but I could see a solid regional argument for him on a Perry ticket (because I think Florida is pretty secure already and Rick needs help in the upper Midwest).
As a governor, I actually prefer Daniels over Pawlenty, so I'd be quite happy to swap out Pawlenty (now that he has hitched his trailer to Mitt) with Daniels. Indiana went for Obama last time, but one would certainly hope they'd go red this time. Daniels has that "competent manager" thing going, which would be a nice foil to Perry's style.
As someone said up thread, none of these things mean a heckuva lot, but it is nice when one goes your way. I'm certainly happy about Jindal.
Posted by: Y-not at September 12, 2011 01:28 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Oily Taitz at September 12, 2011 01:29 PM (TUax9)
Oh well. Romney has a lot of time left to come out ahead. It's foolish to think he'll give up a second earlier than absolutely necessary. Just look at 2008. Romney will stick it out, just if there's a chance.
And I respect that. Romney is a AAA grade politician. Just not much of a leader. We could do worse.
Thankfully, we can do better.
Posted by: Dustin at September 12, 2011 01:30 PM (fF625)
Soon Comes Old-school Ass-kicking Monday Football.
Posted by: Lincolntf at September 12, 2011 01:30 PM (Qjh0I)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at September 12, 2011 01:31 PM (ZDUD4)
Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at September 12, 2011 01:31 PM (zK4pP)
Posted by: nevergiveup at September 12, 2011 01:32 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: Ben at September 12, 2011 01:32 PM (tEGzl)
I wouldn't go that far. Jindal, besides being a minority, doesn't really bring anything to the ticket. Louisiana has been moving more red anyway, so I don't think he'd be a huge help there, and his policies largely mirror Perry's.
I find it much more likely he'd pick Bachman (woman from the North), or Rubio (to shore up the FL vote) or maybe even someone from the Northwest.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 12, 2011 01:33 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 12, 2011 01:33 PM (lNGfM)
Anyone thinking that these endorsements are an indication of who they will pick for vice-president is a fucking idiot.
Anyone thinking we should engage in identity politics and choose a woman for vice president just for being a woman is a liberal fucking idiot.
Posted by: buzzion at September 12, 2011 05:23 PM (GULKT)
really, well i guess those "soccer moms" who they say elects the president aren't women then?
Posted by: at September 12, 2011 01:33 PM (k1rwm)
Perry/Daniels is almost as good as Daniels\Perry!
I think it will be Perry/Christie.
String 'em up / Grab their guns 2012.
Not the best ticket, but probably a powerful one.
Posted by: Dustin at September 12, 2011 01:34 PM (fF625)
And that's so much different than what Romney said when he compared SS to a criminal enterprise?
If Mitt brings it up again tonight, I'd like Perry to ask Romney to clarify which Romney is on stage tonight- the one who thought that SS is analogous to a criminal act worthy of jail time in the private sector, or the one who doesn't like SS being referred to as a Ponzi scheme?
Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 12, 2011 01:34 PM (SY2Kh)
I like Perry. I will vote for Perry. However, people need to realize the magnitude of opposition research that is going on to bring this guy down.
ObamaÂ’s people know their only hope is to find the two nuns and the midget from that one drunken night. Perry has not been vetted and that should scare the hell out of everyone who wants Obama gone in 2012.
Run Sarah, Run.
Posted by: jwest at September 12, 2011 04:52 PM (qeYI9)
Your comments defy logic here.....I agree about the fact that there will be a tsunami of oppo research...but that is true with Palin too. She was crushed by them last time and it has not let up and it will only get worse for ANY R candidate. So you cannot base your fear of Obama on what they will do to smear any candidate, as that is their plan for all candidates. As far as vetted, he has been to the extent he has run campaings in TX to attain the governor's office and the DEMS have worked hard to topple R governors over the years.
Posted by: giftogab at September 12, 2011 01:34 PM (SPVfc)
> 288 Eric Bolling just called Pawlenty's endorsement "the lamest endorsement ever."
I'd say it's lame in the general sense and the political sense. Perry's lead over Romney won't be made up unless someone else enters the race to dilute it a bit. Even with more folks getting in, Romney has alienated himself with the base too many times. He can't win the nom just on the basis that he supposedly appeals to indies. He needs a big chunk of the base.
Posted by: K~Bob, who says, at September 12, 2011 01:34 PM (ydjiB)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at September 12, 2011 01:34 PM (ZDUD4)
It'll fall apart at the Red River. It always does, you greedy Sooner bastards.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 12, 2011 01:34 PM (8y9MW)
I think Daniels himself would be a great running mate, but guess that isn't likely to happen.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at September 12, 2011 01:34 PM (KxADM)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 12, 2011 01:35 PM (lNGfM)
Gingrich wrote the forward to Perry's book, and Perry endorsed Giuliani in 2008, so that may be two more future endorsements.
Posted by: stace at September 12, 2011 01:36 PM (lYlx9)
really, well i guess those "soccer moms" who they say elects the president aren't women then?
Posted by: at September 12, 2011 05:33 PM (k1rwm)
Those soccer moms sure don't have any problem voting for male president male vice president tickets you liberal fucking idiot.
Posted by: buzzion at September 12, 2011 01:36 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: at September 12, 2011 01:36 PM (k1rwm)
God, I've been a Pats fan since age 4. Hearing the constant venom for the Pats hurts my heart.
Then again, I hate the Yankees for the same reasons and with the same passion most people hate the Patriots, so my head understands it.
I have a legitimate reason. In 2001 the Steelers should have gone to and won the Superbowl. But the Pats beat the Steelers in the AFC Championship game due to a penalty and a punt return.
I've hated them ever since
Posted by: Ben at September 12, 2011 01:36 PM (tEGzl)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at September 12, 2011 01:37 PM (ZDUD4)
Ugh. Can we stop with political odd ball stuff? Jindal's a LEADER. A pretty good one. That he's backing Perry is great. It matters to voters.
The money thing is on us. Frankly if you haven't chipped in $20 to Perry yet, please get off the sidelines and chip in a little bit. It matters more than you might think.
Posted by: Dustin at September 12, 2011 01:37 PM (fF625)
Perry/Giuliani would make a good ticket. If nothing else, it would make the Dems actually have to spend some time and money in NY, instead of just ignoring it in the General.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 12, 2011 01:37 PM (8y9MW)
why is it that the minute a person doesn't agree with you and your belief's whatever they are, you attack them?
seriously, if you are a conservative you make them look bad.
Posted by: at September 12, 2011 01:37 PM (k1rwm)
really, well i guess those "soccer moms" who they say elects the president aren't women then?
Posted by: at September 12, 2011 05:33 PM (k1rwm)
Those soccer moms sure don't have any problem voting for male president male vice president tickets you liberal fucking idiot.
Posted by: buzzion at September 12, 2011 05:36 PM (GULKT)
Woman should not have got the vote....not when you can keep hearing them say "I voted for Clinton/Obama/________ because he is SOOOOO CUUUUTE! What a hottee!!!!! Yes, I am female.
Posted by: giftogab at September 12, 2011 01:38 PM (SPVfc)
However, I think there are types of identity politics that does seem to matter -- regionalism and also urban/rural. There's a built-in assumption that folks tend to make that if someone grew up on a farm like me, s/he thinks like I do. Same thing with West v East and North v South. Anyway, I can still see a great argument for Rubio, but I just wonder if it'd be more strategic to go upper midwest.
Posted by: Y-not at September 12, 2011 01:38 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 12, 2011 01:38 PM (lNGfM)
LBJ is one time that Texas Pride let us down...
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 12, 2011 01:39 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at September 12, 2011 01:39 PM (ZDUD4)
He's won a ton of major elections without being vetted? The fact is they will come up with something about Perry or Romney or Palin anyway. Doesn't need to be true. So I guess you're right. But Perry has been a major politician since Gary Condit was in office.
Posted by: Dustin at September 12, 2011 01:39 PM (fF625)
Over three hundred comments and no one has yet mentioned that Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure?
You guys are slipping.
Posted by: fluffy at September 12, 2011 01:40 PM (O6q63)
Posted by: at September 12, 2011 05:37 PM (k1rwm)"
Worst concern troll ever.
Posted by: Dustin at September 12, 2011 01:40 PM (fF625)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 12, 2011 01:41 PM (lNGfM)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 12, 2011 05:34 PM (8y9MW)
The NWS says the front will stall in central TX. So, maybe. Either way we'll get more rain because OK is more worthy. 
Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at September 12, 2011 01:41 PM (zK4pP)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 12, 2011 01:41 PM (l9zgN)
(d) CAPITAL ASSISTANCE FOR HIGH SPEED RAIL CORRIDORS AND INTERCITY PASSENGER RAIL SERVICE.--
(1) IN GENERAL.--There is made available to the Secretary of Transportation $4,000,000,000 for grants for high-speed rail projects as authorized under sections 26104 and 26106 of title 49, United States Code, capital investment grants to support intercity passenger rail service as authorized under section 24406 of title 49, United States Code, and congestion grants as authorized under section 24105 of title 49, United States Code, and to enter into cooperative agreements for these purposes as authorized, except that the Administrator of the Federal Railroad Administration may retain up to one percent of the funds provided under this heading to fund the award and oversight by the Administrator of grants made under this subsection, which retained amount shall remain available for obligation until September 30, 2015.
Posted by: K~Bob, who says, "This SCOAMF goes to eleven." at September 12, 2011 01:41 PM (ydjiB)
I think Giuliani would make a wonderful VP. He should also be reassuring to the NE Republicans (which is good in the General) and, as I said, makes NY a real battleground state. Not one we would be likely to win, but one for which we could force the Dems to fight, instead of taking for granted.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 12, 2011 01:41 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 12, 2011 01:42 PM (lNGfM)
Posted by: Oily Taitz at September 12, 2011 01:42 PM (TUax9)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 12, 2011 01:43 PM (lNGfM)
Posted by: icemike at September 12, 2011 01:43 PM (0Mvvf)
Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at September 12, 2011 05:31 PM (zK4pP)
20% chance scattered Thursday night for North Texas......so, no. Not so much.
Posted by: © Sponge at September 12, 2011 01:43 PM (UK9cE)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at September 12, 2011 01:43 PM (ZDUD4)
Giuliani is done when it comes to President or VP. He will never again be on the national ticket.
However, he should be the first choice as Att. Gen. for every Republican president
Posted by: Ben at September 12, 2011 01:44 PM (tEGzl)
Posted by: Dick Nixon at September 12, 2011 01:44 PM (kaOJx)
think Daniels himself would be a great running mate, but guess that isn't likely to happen.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at September 12, 2011 05:34 PM (KxADM)
The problem I see with Daniels is I would prefer a potential future presidential candidate as vice president. And since he did defer to his wife not wanting that much scrutiny a presidential campaign would bring I can't see that changing 8 years from now. Probably wouldn't care for the scrutiny of even the vice presidential candidate end of it either.
Though he'd probably run circles around Biden. But that's likely to be true for almost any option.
Posted by: buzzion at September 12, 2011 01:44 PM (GULKT)
You're right. We should mention that Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure more often.
Either way we'll get more rain because OK is more worthy.
No. It's for the same reason Texas doesn't fall into the Gulf of Mexico. Oklahoma sucks.
There is made available to the Secretary of Transportation $4,000,000,000 for grants for high-speed rail projects
Four. Billion. Dollars. For Joey's choo-choos. Great.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 12, 2011 01:45 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 12, 2011 05:39 PM (8y9MW)
If I were a Texan, I'd want a law that would say that no one could say his name or his initials in public ever again. Yeah. TX screwed the pooch with him.
Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at September 12, 2011 01:45 PM (zK4pP)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at September 12, 2011 01:45 PM (ZDUD4)
Posted by: K~Bob, who says, High-Speed Rail!!! at September 12, 2011 01:45 PM (ydjiB)
Based on my limited reading on Indiana, Daniels has done a wonderful job as governor. If national politics isn't right for his family, that's their decision, and an admirable one at that. I know he'll campaign like hell for whoever the GOP nominee is in Indiana, and with any luck, put the state back into our column. If he wants to hit the lecture circuit after that and focus more on being a husband and father, more power to him.
Posted by: Oily Taitz at September 12, 2011 01:46 PM (TUax9)
Well, that's like saying that besides 200,000 troops, D-Day didn't really bring anything to France. Republicans would very much like a minority on the ticket as one of the faces of the party, and this has been an enormous factor in Jindal's national appeal from the beginning.
The last time a VP candidate was picked with the intention of carrying a state was John Edwards in '04 (which didn't work out). The GOP hasn't tried it since (arguably) 1980.
Jindal's policies, to the extent he can be said to have any, can be summed up as "spend and campaign".
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at September 12, 2011 01:47 PM (KxADM)
Mostly just the gay rumors. I can't think of anything else, really.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 12, 2011 01:47 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Entropy at September 12, 2011 05:15 PM (IsLT6)
I think that was a reference to Obama and Wright, not the jugs crap.
Posted by: Schwalbe : The © at September 12, 2011 01:47 PM (UU0OF)
James Taranto has by far the best takedown of al-Krugman for his disgusting blog post on 9/11. Read it at the WSJ site: History's Smallest Monster.
Posted by: I'm in a New York state of mind at September 12, 2011 01:50 PM (4sQwu)
If that's all they want, that's stupid. We're not going to win the minority vote- especially not by pandering (in the truest sense of the word). I don't want a minority/woman just because they're a minority or a woman. I want someone of substance- if I can then add "minority" or "woman" to the mix, so much the better.
In the case of a VP slot, "substance" should be defined as "covering bases the Pres. Candidate does not." So, Perry (as a "safe, white, dude" as a local talk-show host is fond of saying) is free to pick a woman and/or minority, but he needs to look at putting states in play, or locking up otherwise battle-ground states, or that kind of thing first.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 12, 2011 01:51 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at September 12, 2011 05:34 PM (KxADM)
Strategically, he'd make sense for Perry. He's well-liked on the RINO side, but with good conservative and managerial credentials. And, he's midwestern. I think that can't be overlooked, particularly as being governor of the state that borders Chicago and actually went for Obama in 2008 (extremely unlikely in 2012).
As to the whole wife thing, the game is different for a VP. The campaign is shorter and the VP's job is to take the attention off of him and put it on Obama.
Daniels and Jindal and Rubio would be on Perry's short list, for sure. There are various reasons why he wouldn't pick any one of them, not the least of which would be private interviews.
Posted by: AmishDude at September 12, 2011 01:51 PM (T0NGe)
Posted by: K~Bob, who says, High-Speed Rail!!! at September 12, 2011 01:51 PM (ydjiB)
The fact that the Dems resorted to playing the gay card pretty much proves that they were out of ammo, and they've been trying for years.
Posted by: stace at September 12, 2011 01:52 PM (lYlx9)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 12, 2011 05:47 PM (8y9MW)
Well, there's those thousand or so strippers in Austin he's supposedly fucked.
Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at September 12, 2011 01:52 PM (zK4pP)
Posted by: Joy McCann/Little Miss Attila at September 12, 2011 01:52 PM (XIECJ)
Daniels does make an amount of sense. For the reasons you state. I still like Rudy or Michelle (they bring the same kind of things- well, Michelle doesn't bring exec experience, but that's not the end of the world).
Is there anyone who would make us more competitive in, say, PA?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 12, 2011 01:54 PM (8y9MW)
Well, there's those thousand or so strippers in Austin he's supposedly fucked.
Yes, Perry is a gay womanizer. That's the quality of the attacks on his personal life. And he lives in a rented mansion! (because some lefty torched the governor's mansion.)
Posted by: stace at September 12, 2011 01:55 PM (lYlx9)
True. While being gay.
I think the fact they've tried both of those (in the same campaign IIRC) shows how empty their deck is.
They'll try race-baiting, but I think even that will have problems considering how many Hispanics vote for him in Texas, and how many Hispanic Conservatives we now have in the Legislature.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 12, 2011 01:56 PM (8y9MW)
The dude got a huge amount of conservative reform done. He accomplished a lot. He's another example of conservative leadership working.
Yeah, the guy cares about his wife's wishes. If you think that makes him a pussy then you are mentally ill. Being related to the president has to suck. honestly, Daniels goes up in my estimation for refusing to run. Some things are more important than power. The guys who would sell their soul and reinvent themselves every five minutes for another percentage point: those are the real pussies.
But no, Daniels probably won't be the VP candidate.
Posted by: Dustin at September 12, 2011 01:56 PM (fF625)
Daniels and Jindal and Rubio would be on Perry's short list, for sure. There are various reasons why he wouldn't pick any one of them, not the least of which would be private interviews.
Posted by: AmishDude at September 12, 2011 05:51 PM (T0NGe)
Can we point them out now just for the hell of it?
Daniels - cuckholded to his cheating wife
Jindal - participated in an exorcism
Rubio - Birtherism round 2!
Posted by: buzzion at September 12, 2011 01:56 PM (GULKT)
Bingo.
He's an attractive male Republican, so either he's a whore or he's gay. The dems and crank Ron Paul guys (mostly stupid antiwar people) behind this stuff are idiots. They have nothing.
Putting a full page ad begging for someone to come forward kinda shows much dirt they've got. Nothing.
But they will come up with something. Any woman working anywhere near Perry is a potential innuendo target. Could be front page news in the NYT. Happened to Mccain, and that was completely lies.
Perry's scandal is that vaccine. That's it.
Posted by: Dustin at September 12, 2011 01:59 PM (fF625)
Jindal - participated in an exorcism
You know, considering the ungodly activities that have undoubtedly been taking place in the WH for the past couple of years, that may be a plus.Posted by: Y-not at September 12, 2011 02:00 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: steevy at September 12, 2011 02:00 PM (fyOgS)
I like Mitch a lot. The wife thing is kinda rough. You would think if you're wife left you and you took her back that you would be calling the shots in the relationship from then on, but it doesn't appear that way. It just don't look good to be that p-whipped. Other than that he seems like a great guy.
Posted by: Ben at September 12, 2011 02:01 PM (tEGzl)
If Perry is nominated, he should choose someone who'll enhance the conservative ticket, no matter what state or ethnicity a person has. If it's Jindal, it would be a good choice. But it would be the same for any good conservative.
Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at September 12, 2011 02:01 PM (zK4pP)
Posted by: icemike at September 12, 2011 02:02 PM (0Mvvf)
The dude got a huge amount of conservative reform done. He accomplished a lot. He's another example of conservative leadership working.
Yeah, the guy cares about his wife's wishes. If you think that makes him a pussy then you are mentally ill. Being related to the president has to suck. honestly, Daniels goes up in my estimation for refusing to run. Some things are more important than power. The guys who would sell their soul and reinvent themselves every five minutes for another percentage point: those are the real pussies.
But no, Daniels probably won't be the VP candidate.
Posted by: Dustin at September 12, 2011 05:56 PM (fF625)
Daniels sort of suffered from "death by a thousand cuts." So while the missteps and perceptions alone won't be a dealbreaker they combined together to turn people off.
Posted by: buzzion at September 12, 2011 02:03 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 12, 2011 02:03 PM (TMB3S)
Rick Perry as THE Tea Party candidate? Nice try. Perry is a wheeler-dealer, backroom crony capitalist pol. His MO is Gardasil, jet flights on his patrons' aircraft - patrons who are under federal and state investigations, and the Trans-Texas Corridor debacle. That ain't Tea Party material - that's pay to play Texas style.
Posted by: mrp at September 12, 2011 02:03 PM (HjPtV)
It may be stupid but it will be a huge factor nonetheless. If Jindal were just another white guy nobody would ever have heard of him, but his ethnicity, packaged with his looks, speaking ability and wonkishness, have made him a prime candidate for national office for nearly a decade now. It's the exact same reason so many conservatives are high on Marco Rubio and have promoted him as a potential running mate this year, and possible nominee down the line. (The difference between Jindal and Rubio is that Rubio, so far, has lived up to all of his promise.)
In the case of a VP slot, "substance" should be defined as "covering bases the Pres. Candidate does not." So, Perry (as a "safe, white, dude" as a local talk-show host is fond of saying) is free to pick a woman and/or minority, but he needs to look at putting states in play, or locking up otherwise battle-ground states, or that kind of thing first.
Well, like I said, it's been a long time since putting states in play has been a consideration when picking running mates. It simply doesn't seem to be a priority anymore, and since somebody mentioned LBJ 1960, that's the last election in which it actually worked. Presidential politics have become so regionally stratified that I doubt any running mate for either party would make a difference in carrying any state.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at September 12, 2011 02:04 PM (KxADM)
The thread-shitting concern troll hits one out of the park. This is why curious and I will be proud when Barack Obama raises his hand and recites the oath of office for the third (and possibly fourth) time in January, 2013.
Posted by: Concerned Christian Conservative at September 12, 2011 05:46 PM (IhHdM)
maybe you'll be proud but I think even barack doesn't really want a second term. we need someone knew in the presidency. I'm not sold on perry or mittens or palin. but palin has kinda shown that what is needed is a non washington insider, a non politician. you have to talk to people out there, they don't trust the republicans anymore than they trust the democrats. what, a republican is going to say he/she is going to do away with the lobbying and the amount of money they get in their campaign coffers and he/she is one of them. you guys must think like they do, that the American people are just plain stupid.
Posted by: at September 12, 2011 02:04 PM (k1rwm)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 12, 2011 05:41 PM (8y9MW)
G is enormously popular in the Northeast and New England- hence why he was called by many Republicans campaigning last year throughout. He would help Perry in Pennsylvania, New Jersey, New Hampshire, Maine, hell even Connecticut. Mind you, we won't win New York, but there would be a reason to do media buys in Philadelphia AND New York City, enough to send Obama scrambling. If O is facing losses in the 95 corridor, he's fucked more than he already is.
Posted by: CAC at September 12, 2011 02:04 PM (8xUhs)
Jindal - participated in an exorcism
You know, considering the ungodly activities that have undoubtedly been taking place in the WH for the past couple of years, that may be a plus.Posted by: Y-not at September 12, 2011 06:00 PM (5H6zj)
They should at least use carpet cleaner filled with Holy Water.
Posted by: buzzion at September 12, 2011 02:05 PM (GULKT)
And he has addressed it. Of course, his critics still don't understand the opt out, but why let a good smear go to waste.
Unless another woman comes out of Perry's past, dude should be fine. If it comes down to running on ideology/issues only for the nomination, that would be great for the GOP.
Doubt it happens, but it would be nice.
Posted by: Dick Nixon at September 12, 2011 02:06 PM (UZl30)
You don't really know the details.
And it's none of our business.
And if you've lived a normal life, I bet I could find something like this about you or someone you care about.
A real marriage that overcame some drama would be forgiving and a partnership. It would matter to Mitch how running for President affected his entire family, and if he knew it would ruin their lives, he would decline to run.
Makes perfect sense to me.
"It just don't look good to be that p-whipped."
And you aren't? I am. Proudly. I wouldn't do something that would ruin my wife's life. She wouldn't do something that would ruin mine. Most of these politicians are not like that.
It's not really pussy-whipped to ask your family. To be honest, the good politicians do ask their family and care very much. Palin has made a bit of a show out of asking her family what they think of her running, and it's sincere. She can't function without her family.
Perry's kids appear to have actually pushed him to run.
Obama, on the other hand, ran way too early, when his kids still had some childhood. They won't get that childhood, and are probably deeply weird elitists by now. Look at what it did to JFK's kids. I wouldn't do that to my kids, but then, I wouldn't let Rev Wright baptize my kids for a little street cred, either.
We should want leaders who put family first. A lot of people assume the ugliest shit about Daniels and his family, and then judge... I don't get it.
The guy has done more for conservatism than anyone else in this thread. Probably more than everyone else in this thread, combined. He took the unions on years ago.
Posted by: Dustin at September 12, 2011 02:06 PM (fF625)
Posted by: at September 12, 2011 02:07 PM (k1rwm)
Blitzer ...
Mr. Perry, How many poor illegal women do you think each state should kick into the gutter?
Mr, Romney, what type of hair conditioner do you use?
Posted by: willow at September 12, 2011 02:07 PM (h+qn8)
Palin's lack of spine will keep her out. Best mail her a check for that transplant.
Posted by: Dick Nixon at September 12, 2011 02:08 PM (UZl30)
Posted by: mrp at September 12, 2011 06:03 PM (HjPtV)
Fixed it for you.
Posted by: CAC at September 12, 2011 02:09 PM (8xUhs)
Pawlenty's endorsement of Romney only confirms what i already knew about him...
Big, Stinking RINO
Posted by: shoey at September 12, 2011 02:09 PM (jdOk/)
Posted by: at September 12, 2011 06:04 PM (k1rwm)
There's one other thing you can say about Palin. She's not running in 2012.
Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at September 12, 2011 02:09 PM (zK4pP)
Posted by: California Doomin at September 12, 2011 02:10 PM (8DdAv)
Perry was such a disasterously evil Rino bastard, Sarah Palin endorsed the TRUECONSERVATIVE TEA PARTY CANDIDA...oh wait, she didn't. She backed Perry.
Really, you Palinistas need to look at your own Goddess' endorsements and recent statements instead of blindly throwing your KFC-induced shits around.
Posted by: CAC at September 12, 2011 02:10 PM (8xUhs)
Bla bla. Romney fanboy takes a helpful metaphor way too far, just to insinuate a position on Perry that he doesn't actually have. It's semantic horseshit.
Remember, Romney also was damn harsh about how Social Security is a crime. You don't save criminal enterprises, Gov Romney. You end them. Oh way, you save them. Or you end them. Or you save them.
Or you take a poll and do whatever it says you should.
Pathetic.
If folks have a problem with basic rhetoric like 'ponzi scheme', my guess is they really are looking for a problem. They should give it up. Romney fans: support Perry. You know you want to. He's everything Romney's pretended to be for the past... two years, up to about three weeks ago, anyway. Why take a fake?
Posted by: Dustin at September 12, 2011 02:11 PM (fF625)
Sarah Palin endorses Rick Perry. in 2010, anyway.
Posted by: Dustin at September 12, 2011 02:12 PM (fF625)
I'm sure it does suck. No doubt a lot of spouses find that certain service to country is hard on them.
Let me explain how someone who truly believes in service to country handles this.
"Honey, my country *really* needs me, I gotta go"
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at September 12, 2011 02:13 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Nickie Goomba at September 12, 2011 02:13 PM (jeLTI)
and i do hope that rush doesn't succeed in pushing michelle bachman out, although, I think no matter how she polls, she's in it for the long haul.
Posted by: at September 12, 2011 02:14 PM (k1rwm)
Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at September 12, 2011 02:15 PM (zK4pP)
Is there anyone who would make us more competitive in, say, PA?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 12, 2011 05:54 PM (8y9MW)
Not really. I wouldn't say Toomey is "popular". Lynn Swann showed an appalling lack of knowledge on the issues in his Gubernatorial run.
Ironically, Obama would benefit by picking Rendell.
Rendell has that sort of glad-handing mob-lawyer roguish charm the Dem-leaning indys like so much. I think he'd turn off the rest of the country, though. Pretty slimy.
Posted by: AmishDude at September 12, 2011 02:16 PM (T0NGe)
Posted by: Nickie Goomba at September 12, 2011 06:13 PM (jeLTI)
John Anderson, 1980.
Posted by: AmishDude at September 12, 2011 02:17 PM (T0NGe)
Rush and others need to realize ...
Rush is the man, dude. I think he's got it covered. But thanks. Really, thanks for the suggestion.
Posted by: Alfred Poindexter Official Limbaugh Spokesman at September 12, 2011 02:17 PM (8DdAv)
Yeah, he "addressed" it. It isn't going away, because Gardasil isn't a Perry anomaly - it's his MO. He didn't apologize, he just said that he should have gone to the Legislature first. Well, guess why he didn't go to the Texas Legislature with his loony plan in the first place?
Until he snuck into NH two months ago and delivered a formulaic "regret", Rick Perry viciously attacked, for months, everyone one who opposed his Gardasil power grab.
That's the same attitude that resulted in the TTC, the numerous corporate jet flights, the energy slush fund "investments" , and high-profile patronage positions for his political backers. Business as usual for Rick Perry
Posted by: mrp at September 12, 2011 02:17 PM (HjPtV)
Posted by: Dick Nixon at September 12, 2011 02:19 PM (UZl30)
Well there is still lots of debate about that, but let's assume that SCOTUS is in fact the arbiter of truth on that topic. SS in only legal because it is *specifically* made legal by law. Generally it is illegal.
If I were to attempt to set up a private retirement system on the same basis, I would be arrested.
So to say that it is perfectly legal, is, a sort of misargument. It is perfectly legal only because the government has decided to do it. It doesn't make it sustainable, or even ethical, and under any other guise, it would be fraudulent.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at September 12, 2011 02:19 PM (0q2P7)
I can't help but notice.....that Romney supporters continue to avoid explaining to us how Romney will win the general when the Left shreds him with all that 'crazy Mormon' rhetoric.
You know the DNC will do it. They've already got their ad copy for it..... And the lib media will parrot it and bring it up with lines like "Mmmm, Mitt Romney really has a problem with people who don't like Mormans".
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 12, 2011 02:21 PM (WrIbP)
John Anderson, 1980.
Posted by: AmishDude at September 12, 2011 06:17 PM (T0NGe)
And Perry INSISTS Jon Huntsman be included in the debates, and Barack Obama refuses, until the very last debate, where Huntsman gets dropped, they debate one-on-one, Barack tries to attack Perry, makes some idiotic statement about how after asking his daughter Amy what the biggest problem is in the world she says "too much unhealthy food", and Perry summarizes that if voters feel their lives are better now than four years ago, vote for Obama.
Posted by: CAC at September 12, 2011 02:22 PM (8xUhs)
Posted by: Oily Taitz at September 12, 2011 02:22 PM (TUax9)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 12, 2011 04:24 PM (TMB3S)
Do you ever notice that people don't use the words "squat" and "moist" very often in the same sentence?
Posted by: Arsenio Hall Hmmmmmm at September 12, 2011 02:23 PM (8DdAv)
BO does that, bush did that, I don't like it when they do that. I thought that only the congress made the laws. but the presidents seem to want to take that over and make the congress moot.
Posted by: at September 12, 2011 02:23 PM (k1rwm)
Yeah... I was born in my country. I chose my wife. Which do you think is more important to me? If it came down to Texas or my wife, I'd take my wife every single time.
On the other hand, I'm not claiming to be fit for high office.
Until he snuck into NH two months ago and delivered a formulaic "regret", Rick Perry viciously attacked, for months, everyone one who opposed his Gardasil power grab.
*breet* *yellow flag* Flagrant BS. 10 yard penalty and an automatic first down!
Rick Perry had said the same thing about Gardasil since he signed the EO (I believe, it could have been a law, though) that undid his original EO- he was "too far in front" and had handled it wrong.
The fact is: he still doesn't think he was wrong, but that the people do- and he'll respect their wishes. The same is true of TTC (in all respects, really).
He did fight- bare knuckles and no holds barred- for the HPV vaccine in Texas. But once it was clear it was a losing battle, he backed down with more grace and class than just about any politician I've ever seen.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 12, 2011 02:25 PM (8y9MW)
"Honey, my country *really* needs me, I gotta go"
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at September 12, 2011 06:13 PM (0q2P7)"
Yeah, I have to admit that was how I originally felt about it. I mean, Mitch was my guy.
But maybe there's more to the situation than meets the eye. Maybe she doesn't want to run because it would ruin her life in a way that would compromise his candidacy anyway. I don't actually know that, I'm just saying it's a plausible explanation.
Anyway, we still have a good option.
Posted by: Dustin at September 12, 2011 02:27 PM (fF625)
Not true. Not remotely true. Rick is only vicious to criminals. His reaction to his opponents on the vaccine thing has been one of understanding. Except the kooks claiming he was bribed. Those guys are scummy liars anyway. I guess y'all just can't find anything about Perry that's bad, so you have to make stuff up over and over. I'm sure eventually something will stick.
Posted by: Dustin at September 12, 2011 02:29 PM (fF625)
Rick Perry had said the same thing about Gardasil since he signed the EO (I believe, it could have been a law, though) that undid his original EO- he was "too far in front" and had handled it wrong.
I believe it was an EO. The legislature was passing a bill to undo his EO. So rather than sign it he just rescinded his previous EO. He probably figured that method would be easier if there ever was a time that the legislature might be open to a law to include it as one of the school vaccinations. Can just write a law for that and not one to overturn the old law that prevents it.
Posted by: buzzion at September 12, 2011 02:30 PM (GULKT)
Theodore is his campaign manager.
Posted by: Not Drinking Nearly Enough at September 12, 2011 02:31 PM (HtUdo)
So what? Anything the government enacts is legal. That's what it means to be a law. They could make a law forcing you to murder your wife, and it would be legal. It would still be murder.
Social Security remains a Ponzi Scheme, and attempts to semantically find a loophole around it come across as dishonest and frankly pretty stupid.
Posted by: Dustin at September 12, 2011 02:31 PM (fF625)
Posted by: Oily Taitz at September 12, 2011 02:32 PM (TUax9)
368..... Perry's scandal is that vaccine. That's it.
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Dustin, that's really not a scandal. Maybe with people who are too young to remember that mandatory vaccinations are the way that we have wiped out contagious diseases in the past..... But not with those who remember getting smallpox and polio vaccinations at school.
Should Perry have brought it up as a legislative item? Perhaps..... But he is of the generation who remembers how mandatory vaccinations used to be no big deal.
Most people's insurance will not cover the cost of a vaccine unless it is 'mandatory'. From what I have read on this......that was Perry's main concern, since the HPV vaccine is expensive.
These are points that Perry needs to bring up though, to put this thing to rest.
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 12, 2011 02:32 PM (WrIbP)
isn't the scandal that a big perry aid works as a lobbyist for merck so that is why he issued the executive decree?
Well, did you know that Rick Perry's testicles tremble when he speaks. That's what I've heard, so it's got to be true.
Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at September 12, 2011 02:32 PM (zK4pP)
He has, but people just ignore that or pooh-pooh it away.
All-in-all, I expect it to get a big "meh" from the American People if he wins the nomination.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 12, 2011 02:35 PM (8y9MW)
Holy.
Shit.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at September 12, 2011 02:35 PM (KxADM)
What is this, a debate or WWE Raw?
I want Perry's "special guest" to be his manager, the Sensational Sherri, I want Romney to have Bobby "The Brain" Heenan in his corner, and I want Ron Paul to be represented by Paul Bearer. This would be a fantastic innovation and greatly increase viewership.
Thad McCotter, I'm counting on you.
Posted by: ZBBMcFate at September 12, 2011 02:37 PM (Hj9yW)
In this thread, there are already several lies being told about Perry. They have the vaccine thing, and then they can either embellish that or lie. Most of the people doing it don't even realize it's not true, I bet.
Anyway, I don't see the vaccine being a problem in the general election anyway. Against Romney and Obama, it's just nothing compared to their intrusions, especially with that opt out aspect. But I also think it's fine ot criticize Perry for his various goofs. I think his record is damn long, and has a could of goofs on it. We either pick someone like that, or we pick someone with no experience.
Posted by: Dustin at September 12, 2011 02:38 PM (fF625)
417..... (o)_(O)
It really has developed into a full blown cult.
Sarah could now instruct her followers to sign over all their worldly possessions for the 'cause' and proceed to the mother ship........and they would do it.
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 12, 2011 02:40 PM (WrIbP)
But the program itself is perfectly legal. That's kind of a big difference.
Except the problems with SS aren't primarily due to the way DC bureacrats administer the program, they're caused by the way it was designed.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 12, 2011 02:41 PM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: Oily Taitz at September 12, 2011 02:41 PM (TUax9)
Yeah, right.
Rick Perry couldn't stop telling everyone that he was right about Gardasil until the moment he announced for president.
Here's a taste of how "graceful and classy" Rick handled his Gardasil defeat (there is more):
"In the next year, more than a thousand women will likely be diagnosed with this insidious yet mostly preventable disease," Perry said at a May 9, 2007, news conference, surrounded by women who had been affected by HPV, including one who he said had been infected by a rapist. "I challenge legislators to look these women in the eyes and tell them, 'We could have prevented this disease for your daughters and granddaughters, but we just didn't have the gumption to address all the misguided and misleading political rhetoric.'"
LINK (texastribune.com)
Posted by: mrp at September 12, 2011 02:42 PM (HjPtV)
There's no way she doesn't read C4P. If somebody created a site on their own talking about how great I was, I'd eat that shit up with a spoon. However, when someone starts trying to analyze the decals on my tour bus to discern a decision I might be making soon, I'd think "You know, maybe I am leading them on a little bit"
I think the most hilarious outcome of the Palin "will she or won't she" drama would be for her never to actually indicate one way or another. Then, as filing deadline after filing deadline pass her supporters would be absolutely flummoxed. I'd be curious to see the diehards' reactions to that.
Posted by: Oily Taitz at September 12, 2011 02:46 PM (TUax9)
Bob Dole endorses whoever the hell Bob Dole wants to endorse.
Bob Dole has erectile dysfunction so not a lot of people really want Bob Dole's endorsement.
Posted by: Bob Dole at September 12, 2011 02:47 PM (VxqUc)
424...... Perry's PAC received $6000 from Merck who makes the Gardasil vaccine?
Six....whole....thousand....dollars?
Oooohoohoo. That's a big ole huge scandal right there. Six whole thousand.
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 12, 2011 02:47 PM (WrIbP)
Shit, I forgot that I don't have a servant's heart. Always forget that.
Posted by: Oily Taitz at September 12, 2011 02:48 PM (TUax9)
Heh. Yeah, It'll be nice when we can claw and scratch at each other in the Perry vs Romney fights to come without being distracted by the Palinistas.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 12, 2011 02:48 PM (SY2Kh)
Whoever gets Palin's endorsement out of the two will have potentially the greatest grassroots slime-throwing machine in the history of presidential politics.
Posted by: Oily Taitz at September 12, 2011 02:51 PM (TUax9)
IF that offended you, please remove the sand from your mangina.
That is weak. Even by Palin standards.
Posted by: Dick Nixon at September 12, 2011 02:52 PM (UZl30)
Oh....never mind.
Posted by: Emily Litella at September 12, 2011 02:52 PM (3TjSM)
430.....I'd be curious to see the diehards' reactions to that.
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Well, they've been inventing these little 'she's gonna announce' dates so far.....and as these dates have come and gone, they don't seem to be discouraged.
They just keep on supporting each other with their slobbering worshipful excuses for everything she does to them.
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 12, 2011 02:52 PM (WrIbP)
Rubio is going to be VP.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 12, 2011 04:21 PM (f9c2L)
Yes, please!Posted by: Theresa D., TPT--SCOAMF is one and done! at September 12, 2011 02:52 PM (Zgfnd)
Posted by: Spiker at September 12, 2011 02:54 PM (EQ9v7)
Sarah wore a beige blouse today. I knew she would wear one to express her love to me. I knew it. She's going to run because of our pure love.
On her bus was the picture of a mountain and I went to a mountain once when I was a child. She is so running.
Love ya Sarah.
Posted by: Unseen The Tepid Air Palinista FREAK at September 12, 2011 02:55 PM (VxqUc)
Well, they've been inventing these little 'she's gonna announce' dates so far.....and as these dates have come and gone, they don't seem to be discouraged.
They just keep on supporting each other with their slobbering worshipful excuses for everything she does to them.Maybe missing primary registration deadlines is part of the most unconventional campaign ever. Playing chess while the people on the primary ballot are playing checkers and all that.
Posted by: Oily Taitz at September 12, 2011 03:00 PM (TUax9)
That is weak. Even by Palin standards.
I'm not offended. I'm vindicated
Posted by: mrp at September 12, 2011 03:00 PM (HjPtV)
Posted by: Oldcat at September 12, 2011 03:03 PM (z1N6a)
It will be worth it to see the reaction when Palin DOES announce. All I wish to see is will the ABO crowd actually vote for her, should she win the nomination.
That would be walking the talk.
Posted by: irongrampa at September 12, 2011 03:06 PM (ud5dN)
443....I caught Palin's appearance on Megyn Kelly's noon show last week after the debate..... When Megyn asked her about Perry's stance on Soc/Sec, Palin came out in support of it, even taking it upon herselft to explain Perry's position in more detail.
She didn't sound like someone who has any intention of running this time.
Megyn seemed to detect that.....and asked her about running. Palin gave a cryptic answer....to which Megyn replied something like "Ah yes! The big tease. I love it."......Palin's face fell, and she got a sober deer-in-the-headlights sort of look on her face.
I don't keep up with the Palin sites so I don't know....but I wouldn't be surprised to see that her worshipers figured out a way to spin even that into another "Oh she's gonna run!" example.
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 12, 2011 03:08 PM (WrIbP)
Imaginary?
Posted by: Oily Taitz at September 12, 2011 03:09 PM (TUax9)
445.... Hilarious. Even in a "Trash Perry to save Mitt" thread, you can't stop getting into hacking at the imaginary Palinistas.
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I think that is because of the Palinistas who can't seem to stop themselves from trashing Perry at every opportunity.
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 12, 2011 03:13 PM (WrIbP)
That would be walking the talk.
I'm not sure that the polls will be open by November if the resulting flying pig infestation can't be dealt with in time.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 12, 2011 03:14 PM (SY2Kh)
She'll be on Greta tonight after the debate, which will no doubt show her to be the greatest orator in the history of politics, who is the only one not afraid to take it to Obama, while the also-rans spent the night bickering on lamestream CNN.
Posted by: Oily Taitz at September 12, 2011 03:14 PM (TUax9)
That would be walking the talk.
Should she win the nomination? I thought it was a foregone conclusion that once she enters, she instantly becomes the front-runner, everyone but Perry and Romney drops out, something about a nightstick and presto, she wins every primary and caucus.
Posted by: Oily Taitz at September 12, 2011 03:16 PM (TUax9)
Posted by: Oily Taitz at September 12, 2011 06:32 PM (TUax9)
That's obvious satire.
Right? oh good sweet Jesus! Palin is attracting the crazy crowd. The same type of stuff the Paulistinians would do. I had no idea
I like Palin, but not for President. She can breathe fire from the sidelines. She's can actually be useful for things like that.
Posted by: Billy Barty at September 12, 2011 03:35 PM (LqEzN)
I thought Perry was nasty and cut throat regarding HPV until 2 months ago. If that's the best they got, my impression that Perry backed off gracefully is probably correct.
What a desperate effort.
Yeah, out of a multimillion dollar campaign, Perry got 6k from Merck, and that money was because they support Perry's business friendly and doctor friendly policies. The idea it was a bribe is pure kook-dom.
Posted by: Dustin at September 12, 2011 03:42 PM (fF625)
That would be walking the talk."
Since most Perry fans are Palin fans, my guess is this won't be a problem. I just want someone with a longer track record. I like Palin a lot. Since most of the 'palin fans' are really Obama fans, I don't expect they will ever support Perry or Romney. They will probably be angrily demanding write ins for Palin.
Posted by: Dustin at September 12, 2011 03:44 PM (fF625)
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Posted by: My Lucky Life In and Out of Show Business AudioBook at September 12, 2011 05:33 PM (3Qi/d)
"It just don't look good to be that p-whipped."
And you aren't? I am. Proudly. I wouldn't do something that would ruin my wife's life.
Did your wife run off on your family and marry another dude out in sunny Cali for 4 years?
She wouldn't do something that would ruin mine.
You mean like run off on your family and marry someone else? See there may be something to that there.
It's not good to be like that to someone who doesn't reciprocate. That's called being in an abusive relationship and Mitch needs to know there are 1-800 hotlines that can help.
Posted by: Entropy at September 12, 2011 08:54 PM (sDP2b)
One more thing.
This is one is real important if you want to get a man card some day.
When you don't do something out of concern for your wife's considerations, you do not tell people "Gee, I really want to but my wife won't let me."
And then the whole "Let me buy her some diamonds and work her over for a couple months maybe I can get her to say yes" thing.
And then, presumably after the diamonds and the vacations? No. Aww shucks.
Posted by: Entropy at September 12, 2011 09:05 PM (sDP2b)
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