January 23, 2011
— Open Blogger This post should bridge the Sunday book thread and the forthcoming NFL chat/pointy-elbowed cheerleader pic bashing thread quite nicely. On the one hand, it touches on State of Fear, Michael Crichton's 2004 novel that continues to be a remarkably accurate assessment of the politicized science behind the catastrophic anthropogenic global warming (AGW) hoax. And on the other, well ... carbon footprint from all that heavy breathing or something.
The "big reveal" in State of Fear was that the environmental movement was basically the new home for Western communists after the fall of the Soviet Union and its satellites. There was a remarkable piece in the Vancouver Sun a couple of weeks ago entitled Confessions of a Greenpeace founder. It was written by Patrick Moore, who was indeed a founder of Greenpeace and has a new book out called Confessions of a Greenpeace Dropout: The Making of a Sensible Environmentalist. Here's the money quote from the article, but you really should read the whole thing:
The collapse of world communism and the fall of the Berlin Wall during the 1980s added to the trend toward extremism. The Cold War was over and the peace movement was largely disbanded. The peace movement had been mainly Western-based and anti-American in its leanings. Many of its members moved into the environmental movement, bringing with them their neo-Marxist, far-left agendas. To a considerable extent the environmental movement was hijacked by political and social activists who learned to use green language to cloak agendas that had more to do with anti-capitalism and anti-globalization than with science or ecology. I remember visiting our Toronto office in 1985 and being surprised at how many of the new recruits were sporting army fatigues and red berets in support of the Sandinistas.
What?! Why, that sounds like something straight out of a novel!
When you think about it, there's no natural reason for real environmental stewardship to have a political angle (apart from the fact that it seems like everything is politicized these days). I've spent a lot of time in the great outdoors as a hunter, fisherman and camper, and I consider myself to be as environmentally conscious as anyone. But for some reason, the left accuses me of Destroying the Planet™ with my evil, carbon dioxide-belching SUV. And the snow thrower and chainsaw? Fuhgeddaboutit!
Environmentalism isn't about the environment. It's about control. Control of what you drive, what you eat, what kind of lightbulbs you use ... control of your life. Achieving this level of control does have a political angle, and the left owns it lock, stock and barrel.
You really don't need to go much further to validate this than taking a gander at the China fetish held by people like Tom Friedman and the esteemed NASA-funded junk-climatologist James Hansen:
November's election made it quite clear that the people of the United States do not want to radically change our society in the name of global warming. Pretty much every close House race went to the Republicans, while the Democrats won all the Senate squeakers. The difference? The House on June 26, 2009, passed a bill limiting carbon-dioxide emissions and getting into just about every aspect of our lives. The Senate did nothing of the sort.The nation's most prominent publicly funded climatologist is officially angry about this, blaming democracy and citing the Chinese government as the "best hope" to save the world from global warming. He also wants an economic boycott of the U.S. sufficient to bend us to China's will.
It's tempting to say that Hansen has jumped the shark, but this is the same James Hansen who compared coal plants to the Nazi death camp at Auschwitz during World War II and he has called for Nuremberg-style trials for scientists who disagree with him about the causes and possible consequences of climate change.
Like Glenn Reynolds says, I'll believe there's a crisis when the people who tell me there is one start acting like it. But as long as the Al Gores and Tom Friedmans of the world continue to fly around in private jets and live in huge mansions ... and alleged climate scientists like Michael Mann stubbornly refuse to hand over their tea leaves and chicken entrails for inspection by experts, I'll keep driving my SUV, thank you very much.
Now back to Crichton. He was no conservative; his politics were left-of-center, but not out in moonbat territory by any means. However, on science-related topics, he was fantastic. There are several videos at his official site (linked above) that are a must-watch if you're interested in AGW or other lefty enviro-nuttiness. This one titled Environmentalism as a Religion is one of my favorites:
And here he is on DDT:
Spot on! I sure wish Crichton had lived to see ClimateGate.
(h/t JackStraw)
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Posted by: jmflynny at January 23, 2011 08:33 AM (piMMO)
"When people stop believing in God, they don't believe in nothing -- they believe in anything."
G.K. ChestertonPosted by: pep at January 23, 2011 08:33 AM (P18+/)
kind of on topic but the only state of fear is wisconsin because its almost time for...........
DA BEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: navycopjoe hating on the cheeseheads at January 23, 2011 08:35 AM (pYurd)
Posted by: pep at January 23, 2011 08:35 AM (P18+/)
Posted by: navycopjoe hating on the cheeseheads at January 23, 2011 08:36 AM (pYurd)
Posted by: real joe at January 23, 2011 08:37 AM (w7Lv+)
Posted by: moi at January 23, 2011 08:37 AM (Ez4Ql)
Posted by: moi at January 23, 2011 08:38 AM (Ez4Ql)
Posted by: dagny at January 23, 2011 08:38 AM (A7E3U)
You have no idea how happy I was to see funding for public broadcasting on the proposed hit-list the other day.
Posted by: jmflynny at January 23, 2011 08:40 AM (piMMO)
Yeah, mine controls the color you can paint your mailbox post. Just imagine the anarchy if people were free to choose something other than dark brown.
Posted by: pep at January 23, 2011 08:42 AM (P18+/)
10 the new count on seseame street
a one, a two, a threeeeee
now we take two back because you have too many.........
Posted by: navycopjoe hating on the cheeseheads at January 23, 2011 08:43 AM (pYurd)
Posted by: Van Jones at January 23, 2011 08:44 AM (QgmBR)
Follow the link in the post about Michael Mann. Same story.
Posted by: Andy at January 23, 2011 08:44 AM (veZ9n)
Posted by: navycopjoe hating on the cheeseheads at January 23, 2011 12:36 PM (pYurd)
From the 1-20 headlines thread:Could this be the next AGW fraud smoking gun?
The VA AG is investigating Michael Mann and VA Dems are trying to block him.
Posted by: Vic at January 23, 2011 08:44 AM (M9Ie6)
Many moderates and skeptics see some evidence of global warming, yet do not feel convinced there is an "anthrpogenic" component to it. There is ample "evidence" the seas are heating even if the surface temps have not seemed much warmer lately.
I guess what I'm getting at is that just because there are some batshit proponents of global warming who have turned it into a religion, does not mean there isn't some (albeit small) factual basis for concern.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 23, 2011 08:45 AM (Do528)
The Forsaken by Tim Tzouliadis. Warning: this book will piss you off in the worst way. During the Great Depression many Americans sought work in the Soviet Union. One of the conditions was the revoking of American citizenship. Once that happened, the workers were entered into the Gulag to be starved, beaten, and executed.
Ignored by the State Department and FDR who wanted to stay on the good side of Stalin, the Americans were abandoned to the Soviet fate. Includes no good rat bastards like Pulitzer Prize winner New York Times writer Walter Duranty whose dose of lies in favor of Uncle Joe were unrelenting (how little things change) and sundry shits like Joseph Davies and Paul Robeson.
Some survived but most did not. Should be required reading by idiot college students and every fellow travelling hack who ever said a good word about collectivist crap.
Posted by: libra at January 23, 2011 08:45 AM (kd8U8)
Posted by: dagny at January 23, 2011 08:47 AM (A7E3U)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at January 23, 2011 08:47 AM (eOXTH)
Go Packers. Down with anything remotely related to Chicago.
Go Patriots. Down with anything remotely related to NY.
Posted by: dagny at January 23, 2011 08:48 AM (A7E3U)
Posted by: Artruen at January 23, 2011 08:49 AM (L+dBi)
Posted by: Jean at January 23, 2011 08:50 AM (m8Ev+)
Only the member stations receive a small percentage of their funding from federal grants. Nothing goes directly to NPR.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 23, 2011 08:50 AM (Do528)
There comes a point when being deluded by a clever huckster segues into willful self-delusion, because it's easier than thinking for yourself and because you are arrogant enough to think you know best. I have lots of lib friends who fall in to this category. Basically good people, but with a streak of either laziness or contempt for others who prevent them from achieving their utopia, wherein they imagine they, and their fellow superior thinkers would run things.
The worst part of this is that if their dream were to come true, they would be the first to be sacrificed (see Trotsky). It would be nice to say "I told you so", but then it would be too late for you too.
Posted by: pep at January 23, 2011 08:51 AM (P18+/)
Posted by: Techie at January 23, 2011 08:51 AM (PAlxT)
totally ot and annoying to some
the little girl is up and just walked past the open door....she didn't say hi dad or anything like that
she said 'Da Bears'
sniff sniff, i'm a good dad
Posted by: navycopjoe hating on the cheeseheads at January 23, 2011 08:52 AM (pYurd)
Posted by: Techie at January 23, 2011 08:54 AM (PAlxT)
Here's hoping for a repeat!
You raised your girl right, navycopjoe!
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 23, 2011 08:54 AM (Do528)
oh, speaking of npr, the guy i took to hawaii's npr for an interview the other day was terry waite
yeah, that terry waite
incredibly nice guy, good teeth for a brit
Posted by: navycopjoe hating on the cheeseheads at January 23, 2011 08:55 AM (pYurd)
Right. It goes to the Corporation for Public Broadcasting. Which then sends it to NPR (an amount equal to about 2% of NPR's budget).
Nice little money laundering operation they have set up there.
Posted by: Andy at January 23, 2011 08:56 AM (veZ9n)
Semantics. NPR gets a small fraction of their budget directly, but their programming is purchased by their member stations, who use federal $ to do so. Removing them one step from the grant doesn't make NPR independent of government money.
The simplest way to test your claim is to answer the question: if NPR gets no federal $, then you shouldn't mind a law prohibiting their member stations from buying your programming with federal $. How about it? It's a distinction without a difference.
Posted by: pep at January 23, 2011 08:56 AM (P18+/)
34 she's got her hester jersey on and she'll be grilling the italian sausage for the game. she even has some root beer standing by
all she needs is the war paint
my wife thinks we're nuts but she's from an SEC area and i've seen her during tenn games so she can hush
Posted by: navycopjoe hating on the cheeseheads at January 23, 2011 08:59 AM (pYurd)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at January 23, 2011 08:59 AM (eOXTH)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at January 23, 2011 09:01 AM (eOXTH)
Still, cutting off federal money just to NPR is a complicated task. There isn't any congressional appropriation that says "Funds for NPR." Instead, federal money goes to the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, which received $420 million from the government in 2010. About $90 million of that went to public radio. The corporation gave part of that $90 million to NPR, and part of it to local public radio stations, which turned around and used the money to buy NPR programming. NPR has also gotten money from the National Endowment for the Arts, as well as the Departments of Education and Commerce.
Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://tiny.cc/d4kx5e
Posted by: dagny at January 23, 2011 09:01 AM (A7E3U)
39 if they get any tax money, don't they have to disclose the amount they receive by law?
hmmm, i will use my bing-fu (after my second cup of coffee of course)
Posted by: navycopjoe hating on the cheeseheads at January 23, 2011 09:02 AM (pYurd)
42 or i can go to dagny's link at 41
even though dagny is a damn hater...see the heresy in post 26
Posted by: navycopjoe hating on the cheeseheads at January 23, 2011 09:04 AM (pYurd)
Go Packers. Down with anything remotely related to Chicago.
Go Patriots Steelers. Down with anything remotely related to NY.
Posted by: dagny at January 23, 2011 12:48 PM (A7E3U)
FIFY....even though I'm rooting for the Jets ;o)
Posted by: Tami at January 23, 2011 09:06 AM (VuLos)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at January 23, 2011 09:06 AM (eOXTH)
29 NPR receives no federal funding, dagny. I have told you that before and even provided links.
LOL
CPB funds NPR via three revenue streams. First, CPB gives “occasional grants” to NPR, which totaled $8,015,374 since the beginning of 2009 to date ($4 million a year).
Second, Congress appropriated a special three-year, $78 million funds specifically for NPR. This funding stream gave NPR $26 million per year in 2007, 2008 and 2009.
Third, NPR member stations receive funds from a $90 million per year congressionally mandated effort to support public radio stations in the U.S. The specific percent of the $90 million that goes to NPR member stations is unclear.
Posted by: dagny at January 23, 2011 09:07 AM (A7E3U)
Not a heretic. I'm a very frustrated Redskins fan. You should consider my oppressed and victimized.
Posted by: dagny at January 23, 2011 09:10 AM (A7E3U)
So screw these asswipes with a flaming pineapple--sideways. They're welcome to go to the front of the room for their tantrum, so all the adults can point fingers and laugh at them.
Posted by: irongrampa at January 23, 2011 09:11 AM (ud5dN)
Posted by: dagny at January 23, 2011 09:12 AM (A7E3U)
Posted by: libra at January 23, 2011 09:12 AM (kd8U8)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 23, 2011 09:14 AM (TMB3S)
Posted by: Jean at January 23, 2011 09:15 AM (m8Ev+)
Posted by: dagny at January 23, 2011 09:15 AM (A7E3U)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at January 23, 2011 09:17 AM (eOXTH)
Posted by: nickless at January 23, 2011 09:18 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at January 23, 2011 09:18 AM (SJ6/3)
The Great Global Warming Swindle is a must-see.
Patrick Moore made those same points in the movie. The fucked up part about the AGW scam is that Margaret Thatcher played an inadvertant part in starting it with her response to the coal strikes.
Posted by: beedubya at January 23, 2011 09:19 AM (AnTyA)
It's quite comical that NPR's website says that it doesn't get any direct federal funding and all the libs are repeating that as they are getting no federal funding at all. This from a station name'd National Public Radio.
Besides my next door neighbor is the head audio engineer for NPR. We talked about this at length.
Posted by: dagny at January 23, 2011 09:19 AM (A7E3U)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at January 23, 2011 09:20 AM (SJ6/3)
And what is Gorby doing these days? Why, working on a variety of UN-financed environmental committees and causes like the Green Cross, Cap-and-Trade, and the International Nuclear Safety Foundation, from his office at the Presidio in San Francisco. We have indeed "fallen asleep."
Posted by: Bust of Churchill at January 23, 2011 09:20 AM (yARWD)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at January 23, 2011 09:22 AM (SJ6/3)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 23, 2011 09:22 AM (TMB3S)
Posted by: Typical Duplicious DemocRAT at January 23, 2011 09:22 AM (lItcj)
Posted by: eman at January 23, 2011 09:23 AM (Wweuu)
Posted by: Frank G at January 23, 2011 09:23 AM (4X0aT)
Posted by: moi at January 23, 2011 09:24 AM (Ez4Ql)
The seas are warming! No wait, the seas are cooling because the ice bergs are melting! No wait, the air is cooling. But it's warming now. It's our fault! It is, it is! OMG. Communism is our only hope because.................why would communism help the environment exactly? The climate change debacle is only to bring down the west to encourage one world govt and make all peoples of the earth equally poor. Except those of course in control. Tyranny is at the root of the whole thing.
Posted by: dagny at January 23, 2011 09:24 AM (A7E3U)
Never mind that their response to battery costs was "eventually it will come down". If I am not mistaken the batteries have to be replaced every 5 years and they cost $7500. Of course they didn't factor that in.
I recall an article in the Columbia paper a few years ago concerning the Toyota Prius hybrid. The CEO of Toyota admitted that even with all the government subsidies it would take $5/gal gas to break even.
In addition, the percentage of "greens" in the country is extremely small. The people who push the AGW fraud fall into three categories
1) True believers (very small number)
2) Anarchists who wish to destroy all government
3) Crooks like the UN, Hansen, and Gore who see it as a profit item to steal from the taxpayers in the Western world.
4) Communists who are in government and see it as a tool to advance communism (largest group)
And no there is no shred of truth in the AGW scam at all.
Posted by: Vic at January 23, 2011 09:24 AM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: Have Blue at January 23, 2011 09:25 AM (mV+es)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at January 23, 2011 09:25 AM (SJ6/3)
Posted by: moi at January 23, 2011 09:26 AM (Ez4Ql)
Here's a little ditty Osama Obama should have had played for Doctor Hu and his America-hating buddyroos:
http://bit.ly/XZJdD
Posted by: MrScribbler© at January 23, 2011 09:28 AM (Ulu3i)
Posted by: Have Blue at January 23, 2011 01:25 PM (mV+es)
Our socialist labor camps desire to keep their victims alive and healthy to prolong their agony. I labor in one. It's haliariously called a 'college'.
Posted by: torabora at January 23, 2011 09:30 AM (lItcj)
What does an environmental thread at AoSHQ need?
Football, of course.
Also Sarah Palin, Gabby Giffords and NPR!
Posted by: MrScribbler© at January 23, 2011 09:30 AM (Ulu3i)
Posted by: Have Blue at January 23, 2011 09:30 AM (mV+es)
-- Chi-Town Jerry
Next you'll tell me that money isn't fungible, right?
Seriously, what an absolute load of horseshit. I suppose no union dues actually go to mobsters either. After all, there's an intermediary. WTF ever.
Posted by: Nom de Blog at January 23, 2011 09:30 AM (0LABp)
a one, a two, a threeeeee
now we take two back because you have too many.........
Posted by: jmflynny at January 23, 2011 12:44 PM (piMMO)
You laugh... I remember an episode of Blue's Clues where Steve, Mr. Salt and Mrs. Pepper were counting apples. Mr. Salt had 3 and Mrs. Pepper had 5. The next thing I hear from the television is Mr. Salt saying "That's not fair, she has more" and the solution... to take one away from Mrs. Pepper and give it to Mr. Salt.
I very nearly threw something at the television. Thank G-d the kids grew out of that phase shortly thereafter.
Posted by: Lone Marauder at January 23, 2011 09:32 AM (po5rq)
In the interest of helping the environment, Green Bay must win. Imagine the imperial entourage the White House will fly to Dallas if the Bears are in the Super Bowl. You just fucking know the Zeroes will take separate jets, and then of course there's that claque of reporters eager to scoop each other on the next puff piece about "Chicago roots."
Sorry Bears fans, but for just this week: Fuck the Bears.
Posted by: logprof at January 23, 2011 09:34 AM (BP6Z1)
Vic, My libtard niece-in-law is the lawyer for a company which is putting in service stations in Norway and Israel for electric cars. Apparently the biggest problem is the batteries are made with a chemical which is only found in China.
Interesting.
Posted by: dagny at January 23, 2011 09:36 AM (A7E3U)
Posted by: dagny at January 23, 2011 09:37 AM (A7E3U)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at January 23, 2011 09:39 AM (SJ6/3)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 23, 2011 09:40 AM (TMB3S)
Chi-town Jerry likes to show up, make a gross false generalization, and then disappear. Earlier this week he said that a majority of people in the US "despise" Palin.
Posted by: dagny at January 23, 2011 09:40 AM (A7E3U)
Posted by: eman at January 23, 2011 09:40 AM (Wweuu)
Posted by: Tami at January 23, 2011 12:42 PM (VuLos)
That cocksucker was the final straw on not taking any of those green fucks seriously.
Posted by: Captain Hate at January 23, 2011 09:41 AM (olKiY)
Posted by: dagny at January 23, 2011 09:41 AM (A7E3U)
Posted by: Nom de Blog at January 23, 2011 01:30 PM (0LABp)
Jerry can't help it. He's from Chicago
Posted by: beedubya at January 23, 2011 09:42 AM (AnTyA)
Chi-town Jerry likes to show up, make a gross false generalization, and then disappear. Earlier this week he said that a majority of people in the US "despise" Palin.
Posted by: dagny at January 23, 2011 01:40 PM (A7E3U)
You've noticed that too? I was wondering if he was the world's most deceptive troll.
Posted by: Captain Hate at January 23, 2011 09:43 AM (olKiY)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at January 23, 2011 09:43 AM (SJ6/3)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at January 23, 2011 09:45 AM (SJ6/3)
That is probably the LiH battery. If I am not mistaken the Volt, which had originally been designed for a large Li battery, uses a standard (although large) Pb-Acid battery.
That cuts down on the range but it significantly lessens the price.
BTW, there are significant deposits of that in CA but the "greens" will not allow them to mine it. Imagine that.
Posted by: Vic at January 23, 2011 09:45 AM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: eman at January 23, 2011 09:46 AM (Wweuu)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 23, 2011 09:48 AM (tJjm/)
Posted by: Vic at January 23, 2011 01:45 PM (M9Ie6)
It will be just our luck that the cure for cancer lies under a river filled with delta smelts in CA.
Posted by: Tami at January 23, 2011 09:50 AM (VuLos)
Posted by: eman at January 23, 2011 09:50 AM (Wweuu)
Producing petroleum is literally filthy. Granted it's much cleaner than it used to be, but it's still a messy product that tends to stick to stuff.
And if I'm not mistaken Instapundit has mocked the laws passed by Congress w/rt light bulbs.
So I'm not seeing your beef.
Posted by: Nom de Blog at January 23, 2011 09:52 AM (0LABp)
They're almost as bad as the footballers changing the subject. What was this thread about?
Posted by: Merovign, Bond Villain at January 23, 2011 09:53 AM (bxiXv)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 23, 2011 09:53 AM (tJjm/)
Something for everyone to consider: evolution and intelligent design are not mutually exclusive.
nuf said
Posted by: dagny at January 23, 2011 09:54 AM (A7E3U)
Jenkins?! NO!!
Posted by: Chi-Town Zombie Grahm Chapman at January 23, 2011 09:56 AM (obH33)
Posted by: AmishDude at January 23, 2011 09:57 AM (BvBKY)
It's funny that Crighton was left of center. I read every single book he wrote and didn't pick up any lefty stuff. Maybe he was one of the few that could keep his politics out of his work.
btw, I watched "you've got mail" accidentally last night. It was a dumb movie but it's still a shame Hanks came out as a tool.
Posted by: dagny at January 23, 2011 09:57 AM (A7E3U)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 23, 2011 09:57 AM (tJjm/)
From the cage liner, NYT....
http://tinyurl.com/458yaqq
The Obama administration has become so concerned about the slowing pace of new drugs coming out of the pharmaceutical industry that officials have decided to start a billion-dollar government drug development center to help create medicines.
The new effort comes as many large drug makers, unable to find enough new drugs, are paring back research. Promising discoveries in illnesses like depression and ParkinsonÂ’s that once would have led to clinical trials are instead going unexplored because companies have neither the will nor the resources to undertake the effort.Posted by: Tami at January 23, 2011 09:58 AM (VuLos)
Posted by: logprof at January 23, 2011 09:58 AM (BP6Z1)
Posted by: Mr. Barky at January 23, 2011 10:02 AM (490S/)
Corporate sponsors are interested in exposure to the well-educated, relatively affluent NPR audience, both on-air and online, which can be difficult to reach through other media.
NPR has this statement on their finance page.
Posted by: dagny at January 23, 2011 10:02 AM (A7E3U)
Posted by: Ken at January 23, 2011 10:02 AM (DNoNR)
Posted by: Tami at January 23, 2011 01:58 PM (VuLos)
This is the leftwing playbook to a tee. They drive out the private sector through regulation, and then declare the lack of an industry as proof that we need a government run program. This is health care in a decade. Or less.
Posted by: Alex at January 23, 2011 10:03 AM (J2ejK)
Funny you should post this, as the local, leftist puppy training device newspaper published a letter to the Editor from two local greenies still screeching that "the world is warming and we're all gonna die!"
It was heartening that the online comments mostly told them to go fuck themselves in the nicest way possible.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 23, 2011 10:03 AM (b6qrg)
Posted by: steevy at January 23, 2011 10:04 AM (j/0qN)
sorry, gotta do it again
a: mom, mom!!! we're out of brauts!!
t: okay, and?
a: we have to go to the store!!! the game starts soon
t: no, i'm not getting dressed to go buy brauts
a: ...blank stare..... dad, dad!!! we're out of brauts!!!
me: shit, we gotta go to the store!!! come on honey!!!
Posted by: navycopjoe hating on the cheeseheads at January 23, 2011 10:05 AM (pYurd)
What? You mean demonizing and hindering a society's producers at every turn really isn't such a great idea? The hell you say.
Posted by: blue star at January 23, 2011 10:05 AM (woyqb)
Posted by: eman at January 23, 2011 10:05 AM (Wweuu)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at January 23, 2011 10:06 AM (SJ6/3)
Posted by: Y-not at January 23, 2011 10:07 AM (pW2o8)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at January 23, 2011 10:07 AM (SJ6/3)
but have no idea how to find out who is actually behind it...
Posted by: curious at January 23, 2011 10:08 AM (p302b)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at January 23, 2011 10:08 AM (SJ6/3)
Also noteworthy is the tome of all greenies that somehow all of the environmental laws that we've passed for the last thirty years or so are all ineffective in stemming pollution, so we must pass even more, despite air and water quality studies that show improvement.
Nothing is ever enough for those brats. I'd personally like to see Michael Mann brought up on charges for all the money he's cost us in lost jobs based on his intentionally falsified "research."
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 23, 2011 10:10 AM (b6qrg)
Corporate sponsors are interested in exposure to the well-educated, relatively affluent NPR audience, both on-air and online, which can be difficult to reach through other media.
NPR has this statement on their finance page.
So much stupid venality, so little time.
1) If your target audience is relatively affluent, then they can afford to buy their own damn entertainment.
2) I'm not even remotely interested in the advertising wants of corporate sponsors. Buy your own ads and leave my wallet alone.
The real reason, of course, is that the well-educated and affluent have an outsize impact on politics.
Posted by: pep at January 23, 2011 10:10 AM (P18+/)
Funny, someone just sent this to me
B...b...but....Obama IS Jesus. And Fmr. Gov. Palin IS Pontius Pilate
Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 23, 2011 10:12 AM (xfL1+)
Posted by: navycopjoe hating on the cheeseheads at January 23, 2011 10:12 AM (pYurd)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at January 23, 2011 10:12 AM (SJ6/3)
The other thing Crichton predicted in State of Fear, was the morphing of Global Warming, from actual warming, to the idea it made weather more "violent"... thus anything is warming...
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 23, 2011 10:14 AM (AdK6a)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at January 23, 2011 10:14 AM (SJ6/3)
Posted by: Y-not at January 23, 2011 10:14 AM (pW2o8)
Posted by: TheSev at January 23, 2011 10:14 AM (iHeMr)
133 of course the cheeseheads do
just google packers cheerleaders
heh, bears fans really are pretty evil
Posted by: navycopjoe hating on the cheeseheads at January 23, 2011 10:16 AM (pYurd)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at January 23, 2011 10:16 AM (SJ6/3)
Also OT except insofar as it relates to pirates: Riptide by Douglas Preston and Lincoln Child is also excellent IMO.
Posted by: Bust of Churchill at January 23, 2011 10:17 AM (yARWD)
Posted by: eman at January 23, 2011 10:18 AM (Wweuu)
Freeman Dyson is one of the foremost thinkers and mathematicians of the 20th century (and even now in the 21st). He has a chair at the Princeton Institute for Advanced Studies, which was Albert Einstein's before he died.
He examined the mathematics of Co2 -inspired global warming some years ago, and his conclusion was that CO2 would only warm areas (slightly) that were cold and dry (the Arctic, Antarctic and similar locations) because WATER is a much stronger "greenhouse gas" and is much more prevalent in the atmosphere and its impact on "global warming." he was less than impressed by the whole global warming nonsense. He calls James Hansen "Jim", because he has known him for a long time.
Freeman Dyson is pretty left of center in his politics. He drives a Prius, had an Obama sticker on his car, etc.
For this publicized heresy, the National Academy of Science has put him on a list of scientists that are "not to be trusted" regarding "global warming". Like Richard Lindzen of MIT, too.
Denounced. Freeman Dyson. This is intellectually embarrasing. These people have no sense, reason, or principles.
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at January 23, 2011 10:18 AM (sJTmU)
Posted by: USS Diversity at January 23, 2011 10:21 AM (DLxD/)
Posted by: Vic at January 23, 2011 01:45 PM (M9Ie6)
Until 2002 California was the largest producer of Rare Earths in the world... right up until the Mines were shut down due to concerns over ground water contamination.
Now, we buy from China, were the do MUCH more damage through there mining techniques...
Kinda like Mideast oil... where they have NO real environmental laws, so its REALLY dirty.... vice drilling here where we at least keep damage to a minimum (if you take a world wide view)...
American Environmentalism is also about "Not in my backyard"...
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 23, 2011 10:22 AM (AdK6a)
Pep: This is what got me:
Corporate sponsors are interested in exposure to the well-educated, relatively affluent NPR audience, both on-air and online, which can be difficult to reach through other media which can be difficult to reach through other media.
Because we all know that the educated and affluent depend solely on radio for their information.
Posted by: dagny at January 23, 2011 10:23 AM (A7E3U)
Posted by: Mr. Barky at January 23, 2011 10:24 AM (TOfIP)
Posted by: sifty at January 23, 2011 10:25 AM (vKGXx)
Posted by: Mr. Barky at January 23, 2011 02:24 PM (TOfIP)
Yep, any Countrys economy cannot be sustained if they will not use their own Natural Resources... as our Government stops us from using ours.
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 23, 2011 10:26 AM (AdK6a)
Posted by: Y-not at January 23, 2011 10:26 AM (pW2o8)
B...b...but....Obama IS Jesus. And Fmr. Gov. Palin IS Pontius Pilate
And we all saw his halo, didn't we guys? Guys? Hey, where'd everybody go?
Posted by: Obama Stashers Local 613 at January 23, 2011 10:27 AM (b6qrg)
I'd chew through three straitjackets to get to that. My record is two.
Posted by: sifty at January 23, 2011 10:27 AM (vKGXx)
OMG! more violence from Chicago against cheeseheads.
They are feeding greenbay fans to zoo bears!
Posted by: robtr at January 23, 2011 10:29 AM (hVDig)
Anything to make the Child Emperor cry at this point is both fine and dandy.
Posted by: sifty at January 23, 2011 10:29 AM (vKGXx)
Or is Hansen his inspiration for his music?
Posted by: kbdabear at January 23, 2011 10:29 AM (vdfwz)
Posted by: navycopjoe hating on the cheeseheads at January 23, 2011 10:30 AM (pYurd)
Alright Hubby just convinced me that it's really the New Jersey Jets and that I could reconsile myself with that because of Chris Christi.
He suggested that NE included vermont, home to Dean, Sanders and other miscreants.
I'll go Jets but I can't come up with any reason to support Chicago.
Posted by: dagny at January 23, 2011 10:31 AM (A7E3U)
Posted by: Y-not at January 23, 2011 02:25 PM (pW2o
--Me too, but then I'm biased toward brunettes. However, if that's a tat under A-Rod's babe's right armpit, that's a DQ.
Posted by: logprof at January 23, 2011 10:33 AM (BP6Z1)
Two commie idiots smoking a joint in a fetid apartment.
Hippy 1: Pass me that joint, maaaan.
Hippy 2: Here, maaaan.
Hippy 1: Whoa. America has, like, all the good shit and is unstoppable and evil.
Hippy 2: Let's tie, like, a big fucking anchor on it's back so it can barely move and feels self-conscious about everything, maaan.
Hippy 1: Far out, maaaan.
The birth of the environmentalpatient movement.
Posted by: sifty at January 23, 2011 10:33 AM (vKGXx)
Posted by: sifty at January 23, 2011 10:34 AM (vKGXx)
Yes, of course, I'm rooting for my hometown team, the Bears...
What... Green Bay won???
As I've always said, its good to see that Great American Team, the Green Bay Backers win in the playoffs on their way to the World Series...
Posted by: Barrak Obama at January 23, 2011 10:35 AM (AdK6a)
Posted by: steevy at January 23, 2011 10:35 AM (j/0qN)
Time to for the left to redefine their terms again (they're great at this: liberal > progressive; global warming > climate change > climate disruption, etc.)
On another site I saw a warming alarmist advance the latest modification to the theory. Water vapor is responsible for something like 95% of whatever warming effect there is, with everything else making up the other 5% or so. The carbon emission component was around 1% of that five percent. Thus, the alarmist theory was rightly getting beat up because carbon emissions were only responsible for 1% of whatever change was occurring.
Not a problem for the demented left. Water vapor has now been redefined as a "feedback" rather than a "force" like carbon emissions and is simply written out of the equation (which I guess is their way of saying it's a symptom, not a cause, of global warming). With the vapor removed, carbon emissions become - presto!, like magic -- 20% of the responsible force rather than 1%.
The left may be dishonest and manipulative, but they are clever and use words well in their efforts to control us (maybe they went to Jarods!)
Posted by: Bust of Churchill at January 23, 2011 10:35 AM (yARWD)
Those who want to learn more about the green movement should read some of Ron Arnold's books going back to the 1990s: "Trashing the Economy," "Eco-terror," and "Undue Influence." All seemed a little on the paranoid side back then. Not so much now.
Posted by: Reiver at January 23, 2011 10:36 AM (RFTUX)
OK, Dave in Texas, either start the Playoffs Post or we'll hijack this one with picks of QB's girlfriends and live bears and stuff.
Oh, wait...
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 23, 2011 10:36 AM (b6qrg)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at January 23, 2011 10:37 AM (SJ6/3)
Yeah, that could be a tat. Weird place for it.
But that Kristin gal has a pretty blah bottom, imho. Those bikini shots are not flattering.
Posted by: Y-not at January 23, 2011 10:37 AM (pW2o8)
That's why I only speak in profanity and old redneck colloquialisms. Confuses the shit out of the poor eco-dorks.
Posted by: sifty at January 23, 2011 10:38 AM (vKGXx)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at January 23, 2011 10:38 AM (SJ6/3)
Would you prefer an evolution flame war?
Posted by: Y-not at January 23, 2011 10:38 AM (pW2o8)
And I would weigh in on the Hot Cheerleader / Wife controversy, but my Political advisore say I must be carefull of the tone of the debate.
/looks nervously at Michelle
Posted by: Barrak Obama at January 23, 2011 10:39 AM (AdK6a)
Posted by: steevy at January 23, 2011 10:40 AM (j/0qN)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 23, 2011 10:41 AM (tJjm/)
Heard anything from the anti-war movement lately?
Only peep I've heard is some academic on O'Reilly the other night who they were asking if we should continure to send money to Haiti since it's all getting stolen. He said yes. His reasoning? America is an imperial power and we are wasting money on wars. O'Reilly didn't even bother with asking him how we are an imperial power without an empire, expansion, etc.
Other than that they've been oddly quiet. You would think that the anti-war movement was really just a democrat political thing like, oh, environmentalism.
Posted by: dagny at January 23, 2011 10:41 AM (A7E3U)
I've gotta be frank with you Chi-town, I can't begin to believe you actually threw this out there.
Posted by: jmflynny at January 23, 2011 10:43 AM (piMMO)
Would you prefer an evolution flame war?
Wouldst that we had lighter fare today. Cheerleader pix will suffice, as will recipes. Goes better with pizza, don'tchaknow.
And please, no diaper talk, especially from the morondudes.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 23, 2011 10:43 AM (b6qrg)
Posted by: steevy at January 23, 2011 10:44 AM (j/0qN)
Posted by: archie bunker at January 23, 2011 10:45 AM (0YS61)
Posted by: Peaches at January 23, 2011 10:45 AM (zxpIo)
Posted by: sifty at January 23, 2011 10:45 AM (vKGXx)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 23, 2011 02:41 PM (tJjm/)
Nah, whats even better is that apparently no one in the Administration is enough of an expert on China to realize what they were playing...
Didn't we use to have Professional State Department flunkys for this?
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 23, 2011 10:45 AM (AdK6a)
ahh. The good old "chickenhawk" bullshit is meekly thrown like a girl from the bath house coffee shop.
Posted by: sifty at January 23, 2011 10:46 AM (vKGXx)
And please, no diaper talk, especially from the morondudes.
I almost lost it over the tampon discussion yesterday.
Posted by: Y-not at January 23, 2011 10:46 AM (pW2o8)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 23, 2011 10:47 AM (tJjm/)
Still, Bears fans here have to accept that for those of us without a dog in the fight we're backing the Pack.
Posted by: logprof at January 23, 2011 10:47 AM (BP6Z1)
Welcome to the world, Baby, we'll try to help make your stay as comfortable as possible.
Posted by: sifty at January 23, 2011 10:48 AM (vKGXx)
Let's see...
Reagan bankrupts them by upping the ante on military spending and wins a big one. Then, we've proceeded disassemble the good he did, bit by bit, ever since.
Sounds like Gorbachev had a legitimate strategy.
Posted by: jmflynny at January 23, 2011 10:48 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at January 23, 2011 10:48 AM (SJ6/3)
192 Still, Bears fans here have to accept that for those of us without a dog in the fight we're backing the Pack
understandable
still evil heresy but understandable
Posted by: navycopjoe hating on the cheeseheads at January 23, 2011 10:49 AM (pYurd)
Posted by: logprof at January 23, 2011 10:49 AM (BP6Z1)
Absolutely not true. Please stop repeating this bullshit.
REM deposits are all over the earth. The US used to be the no. 1 exporter of REM until Chinese mining co's undercut the market. China mines most of the REM on the market today but are NOT the only country with deposits.
Please for the love of all things good and tasty, don't repeat half-assed 'facts.'
Posted by: goldbricker esq at January 23, 2011 10:49 AM (h2t8r)
Posted by: Peaches at January 23, 2011 10:50 AM (zxpIo)
Well, they sure do look colder.
That Howie is a fine-looking piece of man-meat, though, inside or outside.
Posted by: Y-not at January 23, 2011 10:50 AM (pW2o8)
Congratulations to the Editors!
Ahh, the Moron Herd is expanding. Send our regards to the proud parents.
I almost lost it over the tampon discussion yesterday.
I'm not gonna ask 'cause I don't wanna know. However, it's nice to know that we discuss varied subjects here and don't discriminate on the basis of sex.
The reason we're all here is because we're not all there.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 23, 2011 10:50 AM (b6qrg)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at January 23, 2011 10:51 AM (SJ6/3)
oh, for the record
if odumbass was a real bears fan, hewould be there now at the game
this game is bigger to bears/packer fans than the superbowl
Posted by: navycopjoe hating on the cheeseheads at January 23, 2011 10:51 AM (pYurd)
I bought the malarkey about DDT because I didn't know any better. Any pesticide, natural or synthetic, can be dangerous if improperly used but DDT was abundant enough and cheap enough that Third World nations could afford to use it to protect grains and other crops in storage. Prior to DDT, losses to insects and other vermin were as high as 30% (or more in some areas) which ascerbated subsistence level existence in those poor countries. Along came the ban on DDT and the problem of loss to vermin has returned to previous levels.
I won't question the good intentions of Rachel Carson with her "Silent Spring" but others seized upon it to promote another agenda entirely.
If you add in this ethanol scam -- and I never really considered it a scam but the physics cannot be ignored, it returns less than the energy put into it and at the price of increasing grain prices -- one could almost get the idea that the "green" movement is trying to wipe out a lot of humans. No gulags or midnight "arrests" and executions this time, but in the name of Gaia. Marx, Lenin and Stalin must be smiling in their graves.
We won't be fooled again. The big bell has rung for the Green Movement and it is now no better than the Red Brigade or the KKK. When I see "Greenpeace" now, I will also see nice, shiny jack boots of the "Green Goons". Anything it publishes, any crisis it pushes, must now be considered suspect and any data coming from them cooked and "computer modeled".
Liberalism shows once again why it and Islam seem so compatible ... both promote megadeath and limitless misery, they just don't say so in public.
Posted by: Full Moon at January 23, 2011 10:51 AM (DtbEv)
Well, they sure do look colder.
That Howie is a fine-looking piece of man-meat, though, inside or outside.
Posted by: Y-not at January 23, 2011 02:50 PM (pW2o
--There was a 30 on 30 special on ESPN about the Raiders (mainly focusing on when they were elite) and Howie did not look much younger in the cheesy rap video they cut in the '80s --I believe it was for the Super Bowl where they beat the Redskins-- than he does now.
Posted by: logprof at January 23, 2011 10:53 AM (BP6Z1)
Posted by: eman at January 23, 2011 10:53 AM (Wweuu)
Posted by: navycopjoe hating on the cheeseheads at January 23, 2011 10:53 AM (pYurd)
Posted by: Peaches at January 23, 2011 10:53 AM (zxpIo)
Right after I bought my Jeep I started getting a flood of surveys in the mail, all of them querying what it would take for me to consider switching to hybrid technology. Of course, they didn't come right out and say it, but it was easy enough to figure it out from the questions:
At what price of gas would you begin to drive less?
At what price of gas would you consider a more fuel-efficient car?
At what price would you consider hybrid technology?
I answered: $10 for all.
It they intend to force me to convert, they're going to have to fight a very pissed off America to do it.
Posted by: jmflynny at January 23, 2011 10:53 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: navycopjoe hating on the cheeseheads at January 23, 2011 10:54 AM (pYurd)
Posted by: Obumbles at January 23, 2011 10:54 AM (j/0qN)
Bless you and your self-control. I would have had to buy a new tv.
Posted by: jmflynny at January 23, 2011 10:55 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: logprof at January 23, 2011 10:56 AM (BP6Z1)
Posted by: steevy at January 23, 2011 10:56 AM (j/0qN)
220 not yet, i'll check it at the end of the quarter
cause heeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeeeeeeee we go
Posted by: navycopjoe hating on the cheeseheads at January 23, 2011 10:57 AM (pYurd)
Posted by: navycopjoe hating on the cheeseheads at January 23, 2011 10:58 AM (pYurd)
Posted by: Peaches at January 23, 2011 10:59 AM (zxpIo)
Posted by: logprof at January 23, 2011 11:00 AM (BP6Z1)
Goldbricker.
Go here http://tinyurl.com/59rw6r
The CEO of this multi-national corporation told me that their biggest challenge is ensuring that they can the chemicals for the batteries out of china.
I'll let him know that some guy on some blog doesn't think he's right about where his expansion problems lie.
Posted by: dagny at January 23, 2011 11:01 AM (A7E3U)
damn that guy is good
Posted by: navycopjoe hating on the cheeseheads at January 23, 2011 11:01 AM (pYurd)
Have to pick out an appropriate Bears cheerleader.
Damn. That was the most classless fan response to the national anthem I have ever seen.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at January 23, 2011 11:01 AM (4ucxv)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 23, 2011 11:01 AM (tJjm/)
Posted by: eman at January 23, 2011 11:02 AM (Wweuu)
link to Big Government. Check map at bottom.
Posted by: sig at January 23, 2011 11:03 AM (T5Fwu)
Posted by: mesablue at January 23, 2011 11:04 AM (4g5dk)
In order to have globull warming first you have to have warming. The AGW proponents kept saying that we had heated up about 1°C in the past 100 years. First almost ALL of that occurred in the first 30 years and 0.6°F of it was measurement adjustment by a convenient fudge factor. This is by the warmies own admission.
Now we find that except for the fraudulent NOAA data with 600° spots in MI and WI we have been cooling down significantly for the last 15 years. In fact, we are now cooler than we were at the beginning of the 100 years. There is no warming, human caused or otherwise.
Posted by: Vic at January 23, 2011 11:05 AM (M9Ie6)
Please for the love of all things good and tasty, don't repeat half-assed 'facts.'
Posted by: goldbricker esq at January 23, 2011 02:49 PM (h2t8r)
Close, but wrong... US used to be the top producer of REMs until the enviros got all the mines shut down....
And now that companies are trying to start new mines, the EPA is holding them up from doing so.
It was NOT anything CHINA did, it was our own Government.
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 23, 2011 11:08 AM (AdK6a)
I will believe that we are in real danger from radical Islam when the morons all volunteer to fight as a group in Afghanistan.
*Look around tent*
Go fuck yourself.
Posted by: Alex is currently deployed at January 23, 2011 11:13 AM (J2ejK)
I love ace, but I think he's not a football fan... or much of a sports fan at all, NTTAWWT. (Well, actually, there is something wrong with it, but he has many other fine qualities.)
Posted by: Y-not at January 23, 2011 11:28 AM (pW2o8)
If you consider a full body pelt a "quality." Oh, shit, I just cracked myself up.
Posted by: Peaches at January 23, 2011 11:33 AM (zxpIo)
Posted by: Merovign, Bond Villain at January 23, 2011 11:36 AM (bxiXv)
Going back to the NPR & CPB controversy - as in do they get federal funds? The other thing to look at is where are they located.........for many years in Chicago, the local NPR station was located in a building owned by the Chicago Public Schools. Look around at where the stations are located, and you will find many of them are living low-rent at taxpayer expense.
City Colleges of Chicago runs a PBS-TV station (channel 20 over the air). That's taxpayer money too.
Posted by: Boots at January 23, 2011 11:53 AM (neKzn)
State of Fear made a very convincing argument anti global warming hysteria. To me, Crichton's books have always seemed to tilt right if anything (Disclosure was about sexual harrassment/political correctness as I recall).
Pirate Latitudes was a good quick read with some great background on the strategy of war (I don't know what else you call it) at sea. Would be an awesome movie with the right director and if played straight (I don't really care for the campy Johnny Depp portrayal of pirates).
For me, I try to conserve resources, recycle, do what I can in the context of my day to day life. I don't happen to have an SUV, but until I see Al Gore, John Kerry et al start walking the walk and living in homes smaller than a super Wal-Mart, jet hopping around the globe on private planes, all that, they can kindly STFU and stop preaching about other people's SUVs and lifestyles. They are simply not serious. Typical lib hypocrisy: Do as I say, not as I do.
Posted by: RM at January 23, 2011 11:58 AM (1kwr2)
Batteries these days are crap. They don't last long at all and they are expensive. Used name brand batteries and they still failed. I mean batteries should be good for more than a few days. And I look at them closely and they are made in China, just like the crap that was setting laptops on fire.
I'm so sick of not being able to find anything in this country that isn't made in China. Food, clothes, everything and it's crap, it doesn't last. My mom tells me the stuff that used to be made in Japan was great, can't even find that stuff.
Posted by: curious at January 23, 2011 12:41 PM (p302b)
a friend of mine told me that the whole point of "global warming" was to get the Chicago exchange open and producing money. You know that state of the art place where they want to trade carbon credits. He says it is up and running and I don't remember hearing anything about that but he says with GE at the helm now it will definitely expand and the republicans won't be able to do anything to shut it down. I laughed cause I think the republicans are a part of it too and wouldn't want to shut it down.
Posted by: ..................................... at January 23, 2011 12:44 PM (p302b)
Best part of State of Fear? The Martin Sheen character being disemboweled and eaten alive by cannibals. I actually laughed out loud. Hilarious.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 23, 2011 01:16 PM (TAjuH)
Posted by: libra at January 23, 2011 01:12 PM (kd8U
I'm going to look for it. Thanks for the suggestion.
Posted by: RushBabe at January 23, 2011 01:20 PM (urYpw)
Posted by: Joe Sestak at January 23, 2011 01:34 PM (45WVs)
Posted by: KarenT at January 23, 2011 01:47 PM (UtkVC)
"The collapse of world communism and the fall of the Berlin Wall during the 1980s added to the trend toward extremism....."
trend toward extremism... seriously...?
Mao = how many million murdered.... 60... 70?
Stalin.... ?
DouChe...?
Don't Cry for me Venezuela ....?
fuck these clowns. they are non compos mentis.
Posted by: j2 at January 23, 2011 02:49 PM (DCdSz)
Posted by: Yankee Mechanic at January 23, 2011 03:48 PM (G5qLy)
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Ass for Hansen and the AGW fraud I posted a link a few days ago to an article discussing the Dem attempts in VA to block and investigation into that fraud by the State Attorney General. LOL, they are squirming hard now.
Posted by: Vic at January 23, 2011 08:28 AM (M9Ie6)