October 24, 2011
— Ace Is this something? When Perry started talking about the Flat Tax, I thought, "I guess he wants Steve Forbes' vote."
I can't imagine this is a major thing. Maybe it's just me, but I've never been moved by Steve Forbes.
And, meanwhile, Perry isn't sure Obama's birth certificate is real.
Asked whether he believes Obama was born in the USA, Perry said he had no reason to think otherwise. But the governor said he a didn’t have a definitive answer because he was not certain the document released by Obama was the real deal.But you’ve seen his, the interviewer said. “I don’t know. Have I?” Perry asks.
Perry said the birth certificate came up at his meeting last month with Donald Trump and that the real estate mogul and TV reality show host doesnÂ’t think itÂ’s real.
“I don’t have any idea. It doesn’t matter,” Perry said. “He’s (Obama) the president of the United States. He’s elected. It’s a distractive issue.”
Ugh. Oh well. A lot of people have this soft "who knows" opinion. largely because, I think, they hear a lot about it and haven't investigated it themselves but take the common-sense (but often wrong) tact that "if so many people are talking about it, there must be something to it."
That's a rule of thumb that a lot of people employ. But it's just a rule of thumb. It is frequently wrong.
More: The cobloggers were talking about this. Gabe quotes further from the interview. It doesn't sound like Perry's making much of a statement here.
Governor, do you believe that President Barack Obama was born in the United States?
I have no reason to think otherwise.
That’s not a definitive, “Yes, I believe he”—
Well, I donÂ’t have a definitive answer, because heÂ’s never seen my birth certificate.
But youÂ’ve seen his.
I donÂ’t know. Have I?
You donÂ’t believe whatÂ’s been released?
I donÂ’t know. I had dinner with Donald Trump the other night.
And?
That came up.
And he said?
He doesnÂ’t think itÂ’s real.
And you said?
I donÂ’t have any idea. It doesnÂ’t matter. HeÂ’s the President of the United States. HeÂ’s elected. ItÂ’s a distractive issue.
What the media wants (wish they wanted for months and months) is for Republicans to swear, as if in court, that Obama was born in the United States.
Frankly, no one "knows" this in a courtroom sense. No one being asked has any personal, firsthand information about this. Even Obama couldn't actually testify to this in court because no one remembers anything from their first several years of life.
This has gotten to be akin to a Loyalty Oath for the media.
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Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 24, 2011 09:03 AM (8y9MW)
Don't make Steve Forbes choke a bitch.
Posted by: Steve Forbes at October 24, 2011 09:04 AM (Sh42X)
Posted by: Lord Monochromicorn at October 24, 2011 09:05 AM (zCCgl)
If your main concerns are economic, it's something. If they're not, it's not. I think, for most, it's just more evidence that Rick Perry is a strong Fiscal guy. Specifically the fact that Forbes is endorsing Perry and not Mittens is saying something, since Mitten's big thing is supposed to be his fiscal chops.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 24, 2011 09:05 AM (8y9MW)
Or he'll ramble incoherently about it.
You know. Either way works. But more likely the second way.
Posted by: lorien1973 at October 24, 2011 09:05 AM (usXZy)
Posted by: Barky, the stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure at October 24, 2011 09:05 AM (e8T35)
Posted by: Lincolntf at October 24, 2011 09:06 AM (Qjh0I)
Perry is getting desperate. But so are the voters, so who knows?
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at October 24, 2011 09:07 AM (epBek)
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at October 24, 2011 09:07 AM (JxMoP)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at work still at October 24, 2011 09:08 AM (s+J9D)
Posted by: spongeworthy at October 24, 2011 09:09 AM (puy4B)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 24, 2011 09:09 AM (i9cTu)
You want a revolution, just start fucking with Obama's right to office. Sometimes it's better to let sleeping dogs lie.
Posted by: jeanne! at October 24, 2011 09:11 AM (GdalM)
It's fine.
But I think it's a big mistake to get bogged down in this tax reform issue.
Touch on it, sure. But people will tune you out if you dwell on it.
2012 = KISS (Keep it simple, stupid)
Posted by: soothsayer at October 24, 2011 09:12 AM (sqkOB)
Are you still asking about his birth certificate? Have you seen Obama's economy?
Posted by: Buzzsaw at October 24, 2011 09:12 AM (tf9Ne)
Posted by: laceyunderalls at October 24, 2011 09:13 AM (pLTLS)
Posted by: mpurinTexas, Evil Conservanatrix, supports Rick getyourpawsofoffmeyoudamndirtyape Perry at October 24, 2011 09:13 AM (K7Gb2)
We don't have many interviews with family friends, childhood friends, or old girlfriends.
Nobody seems to have much recollection of his tenure as Harvard Law Review president, certainly no published articles.
I've only run across one verified example of his writing.
Is his Social Security number really from the group assigned to the state of Connecticut, despite there being no known evidence he was resident there at the time it was issued?
All of the above puts me at risk of being regarded as a conspiricist nutjob, so the reason I'll suck it up, and vote for Mitt Romney if I have to, is that I don't think someone who asks to be handed life-or-death, high executive power over a nation of 300 million, and control of a whole bunch of strategic weapons, gets to be so coy and mysterious about his biography.
Posted by: Mike James at October 24, 2011 09:13 AM (FMUMi)
If someone came up with proof positive that he was born in Kenya how many think he would be impeached?
He has already been proven to be invulnerable to impeachanite because he is shielded by blackdemocratium.
Posted by: Vic at October 24, 2011 09:14 AM (YdQQY)
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*Bang-Slam-A-Boom-Pow!*
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Down with fascism! Up with love and peace and debt forgivness!
Tips appreciated!
#OccupyAceofSpades
Posted by: Lucius Superfuzz, Occupy AOS Drum Circle Member at October 24, 2011 09:14 AM (Vy1lZ)
Posted by: Lawrence of the Labia at October 24, 2011 09:14 AM (4Etwj)
Yeah and tell this to Ed Mo who currently has his knickers in a twist because Perry said...*gasp*...he hadn't seen the BC and didn't know if it was real. Never mind the fact that said it was a distraction. But sure, let's go reading in between the lines to things he never said!!
Posted by: laceyunderalls at October 24, 2011 09:15 AM (pLTLS)
Posted by: Mike James at October 24, 2011 09:15 AM (FMUMi)
Perry scoops up the endorsement of the National Co-Chair of Rudolph Giuliani's 2008 campaign.
Sort of an omen, if you think about it....
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 24, 2011 09:15 AM (oBrVT)
Posted by: Mike James at October 24, 2011 01:15 PM
I think we know he pretty much voted "present" on everything that came up during the brief time he was there.
Posted by: huerfano at October 24, 2011 09:16 AM (fecOD)
Posted by: laceyunderalls at October 24, 2011 09:16 AM (pLTLS)
Hopefully Perry learned something from Cain's floundering on the 999 plan.
Posted by: mpurinTexas, Evil Conservanatrix, supports Rick getyourpawsofoffmeyoudamndirtyape Perry at October 24, 2011 09:17 AM (K7Gb2)
Posted by: HeartlessBlackOrchid at October 24, 2011 09:18 AM (SB0V2)
two words: Bo. Ring.
Perhaps, but also important.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 24, 2011 09:18 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: The Robot Devil at October 24, 2011 09:18 AM (136wp)
This has gotten to be akin to a Loyalty Oath for the media.
Yeah it has. ....How come the other candidates aren't being asked about this too?
The Romney folks have tried to do a similar thing....in trying to get Perry to "repudiate" what that Baptist preacher Jefress said about Mormonism being a cult. .....Well, Herman Cain is an ordained Baptist preacher. How come he hasn't been aske to "repudiate" that remark too?
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at October 24, 2011 09:18 AM (Jd1fD)
Posted by: tubal at October 24, 2011 09:18 AM (BoE3Z)
Expect Mitt's people to start screaming "floating cross!" at every opportunity when it becomes clear Mitt ain't gonna win the nomination.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 24, 2011 09:20 AM (FkKjr)
Posted by: HeartlessBlackOrchid at October 24, 2011 09:20 AM (SB0V2)
I think the BC issue really revolves around one point. Why did Barry spend so much money to prevent people from seeing the document?
And then he supposedly revealed it like it was no big deal.
Is it an issue? No, he's in the White House.
Is it a distraction? Not for serious candidates, there are too many substantial issues that need attention (F&F I'm looking at you).
Posted by: Honda at October 24, 2011 09:20 AM (dNASF)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at work still at October 24, 2011 09:21 AM (s+J9D)
Can you explain what "floating cross" means?
Posted by: The Robot Devil at October 24, 2011 09:21 AM (136wp)
And people don't care a lot about abortion this election cycle either.. but the MSM still has to make it a combative issue.
People care about one thing: the economy (including jobs). The GOP candidates should get together and agree to always bring the discussion back to the economy and how badly Obama has screwed it up every time the MSM tries to distract voters with these gotcha topics.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 24, 2011 09:21 AM (f9c2L)
Ditto. Not that I had any doubt about Perry from that angle, just the one where he thinks I'm heartless for wanting a moat with crocodiles along the Mexican border.
Posted by: Ian S. at October 24, 2011 09:22 AM (tqwMN)
Posted by: Eric Holder at October 24, 2011 09:22 AM (dNASF)
This wasn't even a "muffed" question- even if you don't like his specific answer, there's not really anything objectionable there. And, if you read the rest of the interview, you can tell he was trying to tell the interviewer to F off without actually saying 'FYNQ.' However, he'd already had at least one (and maybe two, but I'm not looking at it right now) subjects he'd vetoed by stonewalled answers. You only get so many of those, before you start being called mean names.
The rest of the interview, by the way, was very, very good.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 24, 2011 09:22 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Guy who hates leftard causes at October 24, 2011 09:22 AM (OlN4e)
Joe Biden, MSH
(Masters in Shit-headery)
last week: "What the president and I are trying to do and the reason I’m here today is we have an idea. We think that all the teachers who got what they call “laid off” and don’t have a job because there’s not enough money in the cities and the towns and the states to hire them — we think the federal government in Washington, D.C. should say to the cities and the states “look, we’re gonna give you some money, so you can hire back all those people.”
This is being said to 4th Graders!
wait, there's more, and it gets worse...
Posted by: soothsayer at October 24, 2011 09:23 AM (sqkOB)
He did do that. Of course, it wasn't like he strapped it down like a deer or something. It was in a dog kennel thing. Probably pretty secure. But it got diarrhea over his rear view window (probably because it was terrified) and Mitt had to pull over and wash the rear window off.
Mitt trotted this story out to show how great he was under pressure, then was shocked when people balked at strapping a dog to the roof of your car.
It's an informative story to showcase that Mitt's brain doesn't work right.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 24, 2011 09:24 AM (FkKjr)
Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at October 24, 2011 09:24 AM (UNB7o)
Shithead Biden continued:
"And the way weÂ’re gonna do it is weÂ’re going to ask people who have a lot of money, who are in good shape, who are doing very well, to pay just a little bit more in taxes. So for example, weÂ’re going to say to people who make a million dollars, and thereÂ’s not a lot of those people, weÂ’re going to say, you pay $500 a year more in taxes. And if everybody making a million dollars, or those people who make more than a million dollars like billionaires, if they pay a little bit more in taxes they can pay for all the teachers and all the firefighters and all the police officers who lost their jobs to come back and help the community. And thatÂ’s what weÂ’re here today talking about.
He's saying this to 4th Graders!!!
Posted by: soothsayer at October 24, 2011 09:24 AM (sqkOB)
Posted by: AmishDude at October 24, 2011 09:25 AM (T0NGe)
Posted by: Ian S. at October 24, 2011 09:25 AM (tqwMN)
Well thank you for the link to my comment.
It's nice to know I'm being read.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 24, 2011 09:25 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: HeartlessBlackOrchid at October 24, 2011 09:26 AM (SB0V2)
Gee, Ace,
You come here and start calling Perry a birther and everything!
/sarcasm.
I keed, I keed... Perry's foray into birtherism is a disgusting joke, and I'm glad you noticed it.
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 24, 2011 09:26 AM (Iaxlk)
Posted by: Sub-Tard at October 24, 2011 09:26 AM (0M3AQ)
Posted by: HeartlessBlackOrchid at October 24, 2011 01:23 PM (SB0V2)
No, I think it was Biden who was hatched. The chicken brained simpleton probably had to have help to peck through the shell.
Posted by: Guy who hates leftard causes at October 24, 2011 09:26 AM (OlN4e)
WRKO's Todd Feinberg said this morning that Biden's tone is dumbed-down for the kids, but not the policy.
What Biden is saying to the 8 year olds is the same exact thing he and Obama say to adults.
Posted by: soothsayer at October 24, 2011 09:26 AM (sqkOB)
Posted by: Vote joncelli/Cthulhu 2012 at October 24, 2011 09:26 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: HeartlessBlackOrchid at October 24, 2011 09:26 AM (SB0V2)
Posted by: AmishDude at October 24, 2011 09:27 AM (T0NGe)
Posted by: andycanuck at October 24, 2011 01:23 PM (OKhgI)
Beat down??
For what??
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 24, 2011 09:27 AM (Iaxlk)
Posted by: KG at October 24, 2011 09:27 AM (LD21B)
We don't know much about his grades in grammar school...
Posted by: Mike James
Obama went to a Montessori madrassa. They didn't have grades.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 24, 2011 09:28 AM (oBrVT)
Posted by: Ian S. at October 24, 2011 09:28 AM (tqwMN)
Which I referenced in the earlier thread as reason to disbelieve that part of the conversation went down exactly like that. The rest of the interview reads fairly naturally, but that part seems too choppy- not like the way people really talk.
So, after reading the whole thing, I'm up to 3 choices (from 2)
1) (current favorite) He was trying to get the guy to shut up about the issue, but didn't want to stone-wall on too many issues (because then it looks like you're not being forthcoming).
2) The entire quote was selectively edited (to add the 'And?' comments, at least) which makes it read worse than it otherwise would.
3) That part of the interview is made up.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 24, 2011 09:29 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: The Robot Devil at October 24, 2011 01:21 PM (136wp)
After Huckabee's surge in Iowa in 2007, Mitt's people (who were counting on an Iowa win) were caught totally flat-footed. All the candidates were doing Christmas greeting-type things to the voters, and Huck did his in front of a bookcase that was faintly illuminated. It vaguely looked like a "T".
Mitt's people claimed that there was a 'floating cross' in the ad, and that Huck was trying to stir up anti-Mormon sentiment by including a floating cross in his ad.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 24, 2011 09:29 AM (FkKjr)
63.....Hang in there Perry you coyote-killer!
That dumbass interviewer with Parade asked Perry about that too.
Something about "Did you really kill that coyote? How did you know it was dead?"
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at October 24, 2011 09:30 AM (Jd1fD)
One loser endorses another? I would love to see Perry closely questioned on "his" tax plan. I doubt he has a clue what is in it!
Compare that to the detailed seminars that Romney has given about his plans... many plans about several pressing issues, that Romney himself understands and explains... too much information for people here I know, but the man knows his stuff and has plans.
Why is anyone paying any attention to the know nothings? Does Cain have a clue? He didn't come up with his 999 and when it was pointed out that it raised taxes on the poor he quickly changed the "simple" thing.... Cain is a know nothing, charm is not ability to run things!!!!
There is only one person prepared to run the country on day one.
Yet he has been the victim of the worst character assassination yet in the Republican Party.
All because he forces "conservatives" to admit that Obama used their ideas in Obamacare. They feel that Romney is a reminder of what they have been denying. They feel that admitting they were wrong about a mandate will make Obamacare stick.
I have an idea, lets every one tell the truth about the mandate and the Heritage Foundation and move past it. The continued lying is costing us the best Presidential candidate to come along in a generation.
Conservatives need to face up to the truth about their failed ideas too! Do it, and move past it!!!
It is irrelevant to repealing Obamacare and is a shaky foundation to build future credibility on.
Posted by: petunia at October 24, 2011 09:31 AM (hgrmi)
And the 'beat down' was referencing the retorts to your comment, CC.
Posted by: andycanuck at October 24, 2011 09:31 AM (OKhgI)
So when the teacher caught you eating candy in class and asked if you brought enough for everybody it was just teaching us the way things would work in the future?
Posted by: Buzzsaw at October 24, 2011 09:31 AM (tf9Ne)
Well I think,
“I don’t have any idea. It doesn’t matter,” Perry said. “He’s (Obama) the president of the United States. He’s elected. It’s a distractive issue.”
Sounds more like I don't give a F* so I don't think about it, rather than "there must be something to it"
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at October 24, 2011 09:31 AM (0q2P7)
Thanks
Posted by: The Robot Devil at October 24, 2011 09:31 AM (136wp)
"This has gotten to be akin to a Loyalty Oath for the media."
How hard is it to say:
Governor, do you believe that President Barack Obama was born in the United States?
Yes.
Respond with a simple "Yes", it doesn't even make the final released interview. Repond like Perry did, its all over the media.
What would we say if someone responded:
Governor, did Al Queda attack the World Trade Center on 9/11?
I have no reason to think otherwise.
Would we find that an acceptable answer?
Posted by: Bob from Ohio at October 24, 2011 09:31 AM (ROFkf)
I loved the, "Some people say you can't run with a gun," comment. Seriously? Who ever said that? It's a .380 Ruger, not an M-2.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 24, 2011 09:31 AM (8y9MW)
Obama doesn't consider himself one of us (you know, an American). He's a citizen of the world, and the third world at that.
How many other presidential candidates campaigned overseas? Solicited cash from overseas the way Obama did and still does?
He was born in Hawaii, the 50th and last state to be admitted to the Union, and he can't remember how many states there are in the United States (Mr. O"Ive been to 57 states himself).
It doesn't matter where he was born, he doesn't like us and he doesn't like the country and the sooner he starts decorating his presidential library the better. Next!!
Posted by: Boots at October 24, 2011 09:32 AM (neKzn)
Posted by: andycanuck at October 24, 2011 01:23 PM (OKhgI)
..........
Naaah.. you know Ace never reads his own blog...
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 24, 2011 09:32 AM (f9c2L)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 24, 2011 09:32 AM (i9cTu)
@21 +1
Which is easier; proving that Barack Obama was born in the US or proving that Barack Obama's policies are bad for the US.
If reporters want to ask stupid question, ask them why they are asking a stupid question.
Posted by: Leland at October 24, 2011 09:33 AM (i6I1S)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at work still at October 24, 2011 09:33 AM (s+J9D)
Posted by: Vote joncelli/Cthulhu 2012 at October 24, 2011 09:33 AM (RD7QR)
Let that sink in before you start jumping on Perry.
Posted by: Jimmuy at October 24, 2011 09:34 AM (hROVJ)
I keed, I keed... Perry's foray into birtherism is a disgusting joke, and I'm glad you noticed it.
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 24, 2011 01:26 PM (Iaxlk)
Your comment could be taken two ways. Maybe it's early and my sarcasm meter isn't warmed up yet. Either way, what I heard from the quotes is Perry saying, "who gives a shit, SCOAMF is the president NOW".
Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at October 24, 2011 09:34 AM (UNB7o)
There is only one person prepared to run the country on day one.
Yet he has been the victim of the worst character assassination yet in the Republican Party.
If you are talking about Mitt Romney, you are sadly mistaken. He has received almost no MSM scrutiny, while Cain, Pawlenty, Bachmann, Perry and Cain again, have. Even the mainstream righty bloggers don't go into it.
He won't disavow Romneycare.
He won't get off of Global Warming.
Two things about that: First, most of us wanted to like him and this stuff keeps us off his reservation. Second, it's not just those two issues, but it indicates his thinking on things that will come up later that we haven't anticipated yet.
Posted by: AmishDude at October 24, 2011 09:34 AM (T0NGe)
Posted by: Guy who hates leftard causes at October 24, 2011 01:22 PM (OlN4e)
Shhhh.... now if you'd just look into this light for me...
Posted by: Agent R at October 24, 2011 09:35 AM (NtXW4)
Please forgive my laxness.
I failed to mention that Romney sux. Nothings changed, he still sux. Was it George Will who referred to Romney as the Republican Michael Dukakis?
Posted by: Guy who hates leftard causes at October 24, 2011 09:35 AM (OlN4e)
Would we find that an acceptable answer?
Yes. I would accept that.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at October 24, 2011 09:35 AM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Laughing in Texas at October 24, 2011 09:35 AM (dL9LY)
That must be why the police don't chase criminals. Oh wait they do.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at October 24, 2011 09:35 AM (tf9Ne)
Bullshit. Clearly the interviewer didn't want to stop.
Besides, why ask him? What kind of authority does Perry have on the subject?
Posted by: AmishDude at October 24, 2011 09:36 AM (T0NGe)
Posted by: Deanna at October 24, 2011 09:36 AM (V8Aii)
That must be why the police don't chase criminals. Oh wait they do.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at October 24, 2011 01:35 PM (tf9Ne)
Also must be why soldiers don't sprint for cover. Oh wait, they do.
What was Perry's response to that idiotic comment? I hope he laid the smackdown on that dumbass.
Posted by: KG at October 24, 2011 09:38 AM (LD21B)
Interesting that this part is being ignored, eh? Even here. I read the transcript of this supposed gaffe/nontroversy. I detected no dick stepping. He handled the question pretty well and didn't fall into the gotcha question or borrow some tinfoil from Trump either. This is stupid. Let's leave the searchers of the 666 in Obama's hairline to those breathless people freaking out over what is as much a nontroversy as the stupid rock.
Posted by: Lady in Black at October 24, 2011 09:38 AM (ycuSb)
Posted by: Vote joncelli/Cthulhu 2012 at October 24, 2011 01:33 PM (RD7QR)
Sorry, I need PROVEN leadership Cthulhu/joncelli 2012, is the only ticket I can back.Cthulhu won the war with the Old Ones. He has held back Hastur the Unspeakable. What else do you need?
Posted by: The Robot Devil at October 24, 2011 09:38 AM (136wp)
It would be nice if it worked that way, but it's the reporter who gets to write the report. If you do that, they either just don't publish the article (no press = bad press), or the article becomes about an interview that "at times became combative" and you're actually shown in a worse light to those who haven't made up their minds, yet.
Similarly, if you deflect on too many subjects (and this is tends to be a subjective/gut-feel kind of thing) then you're hammered for being 'coy' or 'evasive.'
He'd already had at least one issue (Secession) that he'd said (very politely) FYNQ, and I think there was another in there as well. Assuming the quotes are both accurate and accurately reported, it may well be that he was trying to ride that line.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 24, 2011 09:38 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at October 24, 2011 09:38 AM (jx2j9)
So saying it's a distraction is a 'foray'? Wow. Reading comprehension is hard, huh?
Posted by: laceyunderalls at October 24, 2011 09:38 AM (pLTLS)
the question of whether Obama was born on U.S. soil or not is a distraction from the real issue, the real issue is;
what does the term "natural born citizen" mean, for the past 30 or 40 years the Left (and many on the Right) claim that phrase has no meaning or that the phrase is of some indeterminate orgin. Neither is true.
the orgin of the phrase "natural born citizen" is known, and for 200 years was unquestioned.
"Law of Nations" by Emmerich De Vattel explains exactly what is meant by the term "natural born citizen" and that is where the Framers got that phrase, they did not use it haphazardly, it was not an after-thought.
the are the rules or they aren't..... right now, they aren't.
(and yes, i'm looking at you Marco Rubio)
Posted by: shoey at October 24, 2011 09:39 AM (m6OUa)
Posted by: izoneguy at October 24, 2011 09:39 AM (i6Neb)
Posted by: Mitt Romney wearing a fake moustache at October 24, 2011 09:40 AM (ggRof)
Posted by: Barry (da Man) at October 24, 2011 09:40 AM (niW49)
It might have been helpful to Rick Perry to become Forbes' flat tax apprentice about six weeks ago. You know, before he started debating.
Posted by: Reggie1971 at October 24, 2011 09:40 AM (b68Df)
So the question is, why did Perry grant the interview to him? There are way better reporters elsewhere for this.
Posted by: KG at October 24, 2011 09:40 AM (LD21B)
Posted by: izoneguy at October 24, 2011 09:40 AM (i6Neb)
He said something about (paraphrasing) "Some people say that you can't shoot a coyote because it would run away. Come to Texas and I'll show you coyotes that get into your back yard and eat your dog."
So, yes, without saying "You're an idiot," he said, "either you're an idiot, or those people have no clue about reality, or both."
He has held back Hastur the Unspeakable. What else do you need?
Someone who can't be beaten by an ocean liner on auto-pilot.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 24, 2011 09:42 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Vote joncelli/Cthulhu 2012 at October 24, 2011 09:42 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 24, 2011 09:42 AM (i9cTu)
Birther bait.
Even if he was born on US soil he can never be a "Natural born citizen" because his alleged father was a Brittish subject.
Posted by: Jeffersonian at October 24, 2011 09:42 AM (oZ3AI)
Fine, I will admit that some neocon voices some years ago supported a mandate. Though as a libertarian type I have always opposed it.
It was a tremendously bad idea. There I faced up.
Now I intend to move past it by doing everything I can to make sure the Republican who still supports mandates as a viable state option never gets close to running this country, because obviously he can't see how terrible an idea it was, even expos facto with real evidence mounting up.
Me moving past neocon statist bullsh*t perpetrated by the Bush family Rove and the like will be stuffing neocon Romney so far under the bus he can adjust the clutch and change the oil.
WE DONE HERE?
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at October 24, 2011 09:42 AM (0q2P7)
I really think, "Is it wrong to masturbate to my reflection?"
Posted by: Barack "Malcom-Y" Obama at October 24, 2011 09:42 AM (136wp)
From the Parade interview, right before the birther question:
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Okay. HereÂ’s an easy one. ..........[interviewer]
Great. Blue. ........[Perry]
What?
Oh, I thought you were going to ask my favorite color.
Governor, you made the news last year when you said you were out jogging in Austin with your daughterÂ’s puppy, and you came across a coyote that was threatening your dog. Did you really shoot it like you said you did?
Yes, maÂ’am. One shot right in the shoulder.
You saw him drop, but did he die?
Yeah, right there.
So how come thereÂ’s been so much controversy over it? For example, some people have said itÂ’s simply not possible to jog and carry a gun at the same time.
One guy from upstate New York said [it couldn’t have happened because] “coyotes would run away.” Come to Austin. I’ll show you coyotes that will come and get in your backyard and eat your little puppy.
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at October 24, 2011 09:43 AM (Jd1fD)
Posted by: Kerry at October 24, 2011 09:44 AM (a/VXa)
Yes, I know. Creativity of this level should be applauded. The future is bright.
Hey! Is that a pop-up book?!
Posted by: Joey Biden at October 24, 2011 09:45 AM (0tRzD)
Posted by: kansas at October 24, 2011 09:45 AM (mka2b)
Are we going to defeat Obama next year? Probably not.
We aren't taking advantage of Obama's chinks.
Here is one of Obama's chinks in his armor. This a very short must-see vid of a Democrat mayor of coastal city in MA. It's a local issue but it has national implications.
Obama is anti-business, anti-jobs, anti-prosperity, anti-middle-class. Pass it on.
Posted by: lolbiden at October 24, 2011 09:45 AM (sqkOB)
Rick Perry has been Flat Tax for years. For the record. Being emotionally in favor of an idea is different from having policy, however. I suspect it took a while to get an ironed-out policy.
So the question is, why did Perry grant the interview to him? There are way better reporters elsewhere for this.
That's a good question. My guess (if I have to proffer one) is that he's doing 5 or 6 minute interviews with just about anyone who asks, barring the Communist or National Socialist parties (or their ilk).
As dismissive as we are of most media- most people aren't.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 24, 2011 09:45 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at October 24, 2011 09:46 AM (ZDUD4)
Who?
Then I'd go on a tirade about journalistic ethics.
Posted by: AmishDude at October 24, 2011 09:46 AM (T0NGe)
Posted by: Guy who hates leftard causes at October 24, 2011 09:47 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at October 24, 2011 09:47 AM (ZDUD4)
#112 we do know Romney's father and grandfather were American citizens.
No! How many times do you need to be told? Any idiotic lie about Romney is to remain unchallenged.
So that if we get stuck with him as a candidate we can say we never liked him if he loses and have nothing invested if he wins and disappoints.
This is a sure-fire recipe for general election success, no?
/sarc
Posted by: spongeworthy at October 24, 2011 09:47 AM (puy4B)
Posted by: joncelli denounces himself at October 24, 2011 09:48 AM (RD7QR)
This has gotten to be akin to a Loyalty Oath for the media.
Of course it is. Any overt questioning is a direct attack on their professional credentials. After all, how embarrassing would it be to a journalist to have to admit that they didn't do any background check, investigative follow through, or due diligence on such a simple and straightforward issue.
Because it implies they didn't do their job. They failed the most basic of rules of journalism. They didn't look at the 'man behind the curtain'.
Which, of course, they didn't.
Posted by: ruralcounsel at October 24, 2011 09:48 AM (J1Kdz)
When my SIL lived on Northern Arizona she couldn't have a pet that lived outside because she said the coyotes would kill them and eat them.
And she lived in a neighborhood, not out in the sticks.
Posted by: Vic at October 24, 2011 09:48 AM (YdQQY)
And here is a short vid of Herb Cain in NV kicking ass.
Some snot-nosed know-nothing little cocksucking moonbat tries to embarrass Herb.
"Take a chill pill!"
Posted by: lolbiden at October 24, 2011 09:49 AM (sqkOB)
Right now, however much we want to "take advantage of Obama's chinks," the opposition is each other. If all the candidates just got up and said, "Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure" on every interview and debate, there wouldn't be anything to distinguish them from each other.
So they have to highlight where they think they're better than the others. That means a) opening themselves up to criticism and b) attacking the others.
I've moved into "acceptance" with this part.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 24, 2011 09:49 AM (8y9MW)
I don't give a flying fuck what some assclown at the Heritage Foundation wrote in support of an individual mandate.
It's still a bad idea both constitutionally (US, not state) and, as we see in Massachusetts, in practice.
I don't oppose Romney so much for trying it (here in this goofball lefty place) as I do for his continuing to support it as a good idea when all evidence is to the contrary.
Posted by: Andy at October 24, 2011 09:49 AM (5Rurq)
131....Mitt Romney loves puppies. Mitt Romney is a strong advocate for puppies.
Yeah. As long as they are kept in their place.....like strapped down on the roof of a station wagon, on a long distance trip.
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at October 24, 2011 09:50 AM (Jd1fD)
130 It might have been helpful to Rick Perry to become Forbes' flat tax apprentice about six weeks ago. You know, before he started debating.
Rick Perry has been Flat Tax for years. For the record. Being emotionally in favor of an idea is different from having policy, however. I suspect it took a while to get an ironed-out policy.
Getting ironed-out policies are what you do while you are PREPARING to run for the Presidency. You don't essentially say 'the dog at my homework' for six weeks and four (five maybe?) debates, and then come out with a proposal.
Posted by: Reggie1971 at October 24, 2011 09:51 AM (b68Df)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 24, 2011 09:51 AM (i9cTu)
I know, it's a forlorn hope, some straw to grasp at that invalidates everything that's happened without taking responsibility for our own roles, but...I can just see it happening in an extreme case. And we seem to be tending towards extreme cases of late. So yeah, a body wonders.
We have reached the Singularity of Suck.
Posted by: DarkLord© sez Obama is a stuttering clusterf--- of a miserable failure
Oh, and F--- Nevada! at October 24, 2011 09:51 AM (GBXon)
So saying it's a distraction is a 'foray'? Wow. Reading comprehension is hard, huh?
Posted by: laceyunderalls at October 24, 2011 01:38 PM (pLTLS)
He questioned if the long form certificate was real ("Did I?" was his answer when told he saw it... I know two word answers can be hard to comprehend, but give it a shot).
Definition of a foray: A venture or an initial attempt, especially outside one's usual area: an actor's foray into politics
Yeah, I'd say it was a foray. Comprende?
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 24, 2011 09:52 AM (Iaxlk)
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at October 24, 2011 09:52 AM (Jd1fD)
It's also a bad idea philosophically. As has been stated: once the Government can force you to purchase any product, they can force you to purchase all products. There is no economic/philosophic difference between broccoli and health insurance.
As has also been stated, the moment you depend on the Government for your health care, they own you lock, stock, and barrel. Any activity is then under their control in the name of "health."
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 24, 2011 09:53 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at October 24, 2011 09:53 AM (0q2P7)
He's pretty well always packing, so I would not be surprised to find out he had a special holster for while he was jogging. The only Texas Gov official I know carries more frequently than Perry is AG Abbott.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 24, 2011 09:55 AM (8y9MW)
Why is anyone paying any attention to the know nothings?
Just guessing here, but is your preferred candidate is the awesome Mittens?
Posted by: Ghost of Kim Novak Renowned Perrywinkly at October 24, 2011 09:55 AM (8DdAv)
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at October 24, 2011 09:56 AM (Jd1fD)
@153: Well, if it WAS sarcasm - and I already pointed out I really don't give a shit what he believes about Obama's birth - he sure did it in a politically inept way that leaves him open to attack over it. Which is my whole effing point.
Posted by: Rick Perry at October 24, 2011 09:56 AM (Iaxlk)
Off, perry sock.
If Perry improves, I'm all in for him. But that is up to him... ain't it, mallamut?
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 24, 2011 09:57 AM (Iaxlk)
Posted by: Guy who hates leftard causes at October 24, 2011 09:57 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: AmishDude at October 24, 2011 01:46 PM (T0NGe)
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA. "Journalistic ethics". Good one
( What? What ain't no country I ever heard of. Do they speak English in What ?? )
Posted by: SantaRosaStan, keeping it Real at October 24, 2011 09:58 AM (UqKQV)
Posted by: AmishDude at October 24, 2011 09:58 AM (T0NGe)
Yeah, I'd say it was a foray. Comprende?
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 24, 2011 01:52 PM (Iaxlk)
Perry gave a good answer. You've been reading between the lines again, haven't you? Over-analysis is sometimes the bane of so many who post or comment here.
Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at October 24, 2011 09:59 AM (UNB7o)
"Effing PARADE with the effing gotcha questions?"
Yeah. Did you see the question sequence of, "You failed organic chemistry ... so would it be fair to say you and science don't have a good relationship?" Perry replied by talking about aerodynamics and flight school. The interviewer also tried to blame the Texas wildfires on climate change and asked if he'd read/seen An Inconvenient Truth. He said "No ma'am, I don't read or watch much fiction." It actually was a great interview for him, he came off pretty well.
Posted by: Kallie at October 24, 2011 10:00 AM (ct0KL)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 24, 2011 10:00 AM (i9cTu)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 24, 2011 01:51 PM
I don't have one since I don't jog, but my daughter and SIL have them. I think they're called smart carry.
Posted by: Deanna at October 24, 2011 10:01 AM (V8Aii)
Yes, but 'US Citizen' is not the same as 'Natural Born' citizen. Also, that "anyone born on US soil" is a very, very new thing- granted by judicial fiat.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 24, 2011 10:03 AM (8y9MW)
Jesus, I really don't get some of the emotionalism over Perry.
All of us know that Perry is not exactly God's gift to Conservatism. "If you had a heart, you'd approve of in-state tuition for illegals," HELLO??
Some of you are acting like I'm attacking the Second Coming of Ronald Reagan.
First off, I'm not attacking anyone... I'm making a sober assessment of Perry's assessment so far and am wondering if this guy can carry a general election?
I'm also saying my bottom line is, ANYBODY but Obama, and IMO I think Romney has the best chance out of the alternatives... and I've said countless times I wish we had better choices besides the like of Crazy Eyes Bachmann.
I'm not wondering anything out loud even Ann Coulter - hardly a RINO - isn't saying.
Fine, disagree with me, but cool it with the "beat down" stuff, huh? I mean, come on!
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 24, 2011 10:04 AM (Iaxlk)
Posted by: Newt at October 24, 2011 10:04 AM (MVVJU)
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 24, 2011 10:05 AM (Iaxlk)
Posted by: Hutsul at October 24, 2011 10:05 AM (NO075)
Posted by: Entropy at October 24, 2011 10:05 AM (XxXUI)
Romneycare provides illegal aliens with free medical care. Mittens still defends Romneycare.
Guess a lot of you Mittens fans are down with illegal aliens.
What is a bigger magnet? In state college tuition if you are on a path to citizenship, if you qualify for admission, or walking in off of the street and getting free healthcare with no quesitons asked?
Posted by: Dick Nixon at October 24, 2011 10:06 AM (kaOJx)
Only a down-twinkle beta would ask a question like that
Posted by: SantaRosaStan, keeping it Real at October 24, 2011 10:06 AM (UqKQV)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 24, 2011 10:07 AM (i9cTu)
What is a bigger magnet? In state college tuition if you are on a path to citizenship, if you qualify for admission, or walking in off of the street and getting free healthcare with no quesitons asked?
Posted by: Dick Nixon at October 24, 2011 02:06 PM (kaOJx)
Hey, don't you dare blame that on Mitt! The State Legislature threw him on a pinball machine and MADE him sign that into law (and then talk about how great it was during 2007).
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 24, 2011 10:09 AM (FkKjr)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 24, 2011 10:10 AM (i9cTu)
No el speako retardo.
Look, we get it. You really dislike Perry. There are any number of reasons someone could reach that conclusion. But you look foolish when you make this the hill to die on. I guess when I hear someone say it's a distraction that doesn't matter as POTUS is already in office, I take that to mean, why the hell are we talking about this? He didn't raise the issue - he said he hadn't seen it. Of course, you couldn't leave it there. You had to tell all the rest of us that we should have hit our breaking point over this stupid issue. How condescending of you.
Posted by: laceyunderalls at October 24, 2011 10:12 AM (pLTLS)
And some of us disagree. We think Perry has the better chance.
Posted by: KG at October 24, 2011 10:12 AM (LD21B)
And in terms of what seems to be the number 1 complaint about Perry (he can not debate) the trend is positive. He has gone from bad to fairly good.
Which of Perry's debate performances do you reckon to be "fairly good". It seems to me they've ranged from bad to historically God awful.
Posted by: Reggie1971 at October 24, 2011 10:13 AM (b68Df)
I understand he may even chew gum while running, adding to the difficulty level.
We has met the enemy. He is us.
Posted by: Kerry at October 24, 2011 10:13 AM (a/VXa)
Posted by: ktgreat at October 24, 2011 10:14 AM (hqGID)
Posted by: Paid for by the Committee to Elect Jeb Bush in 2016 Karl Rove, Chairman at October 24, 2011 10:15 AM (SSm72)
I hope you've (ace) re-evaluated your misimpression about Perry's birth certificate statement. It really is just that he's saying "have I seen his documents?" as in "I have not been following this issue closely." That's the right answer. It's really the best answer, especially when coupled with his "it doesn't matter" stuff.
Sununu endorsed Mitt, but he made it clear he's not against Perry. I'm not sure I've ever seen an endorsement quite like this before (wherein the other main candidate is spoken so highly of):
“He’s a good friend,” Sununu said of the Texas governor. “He’s a good Republican and a very good governor and, frankly, would make a good President just as Mitt Romney would make a good President. I don’t have any negative feelings toward him at all.”
Posted by: Y-not at October 24, 2011 10:16 AM (5H6zj)
Posted by: The Committee to Elect Jeb Bush in 2016, K. Rove, Chairman at October 24, 2011 10:16 AM (SSm72)
What if someone were asked about who flew those planes into the World Trade Center? "In a courtroom sense" no presidential candidate knows for certain. Perry, for instance, wasn't in either of the planes, in either tower, nor even in NYC, DC or Pennsylvania on that day. So would it be appropriate for him to say that he really doesn't no for sure?
Why does Perry get a pass for his flirtation with Birtherism? Would similar "I don't really know" comments about 9/11 be explained away and justified on this site? Ace?
Posted by: Nottingham at October 24, 2011 10:18 AM (GL1SF)
"he sure did it in a politically inept way that leaves him open to attack over it"
My point also.
Sarcasm does not work well in print.
Posted by: Bob from Ohio at October 24, 2011 10:19 AM (ROFkf)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 24, 2011 10:20 AM (i9cTu)
175.....I'm not wondering anything out loud even Ann Coulter - hardly a RINO - isn't saying.
You're not helping yourself there, CoolCzech, by using Ann Coulter as an example. .....Seeing as how she is wallowing in RINO camp these days by endorsing Romney like he is the 2nd coming.
Just wait, you'll like Perry a lot better when he launches his line of boobie mugs for Thanksgiving.
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at October 24, 2011 10:21 AM (Jd1fD)
Goddammit, drum circle! According to the Thursday Accords, you're not allowed to drum between the hours of twelve noon and three in the afternoon! We just spent two days drawing up this historic agreement and now you fucking clowns are going to ignore the proscribed drumming hours?
*down-twinkles*
And hand over the money you've been panhandling. Finance Commissar needs it to purchase tarps for the Body-Painting Assembly. No grumbling, asshats!
Posted by: Skyler J. Davis-Davis, Occupy AOS Leader at October 24, 2011 10:21 AM (Vy1lZ)
You mean the kind of "pass" that consists of an entire post devoted to gnashing teeth over this ridiculous subject? Did you stop by to administer the loyalty oath?
Posted by: Kerry at October 24, 2011 10:22 AM (a/VXa)
Posted by: Dick Nixon at October 24, 2011 10:25 AM (kaOJx)
Some people have reading comprehension problems.
But youÂ’ve seen his.
I donÂ’t know. Have I?
Perry is saying he's not sure if he's seen Obama's BC. I'm not sure I have, either. The process of releasing the documents was so drawn out and delayed (by Obama and Hawaii) that I honestly don't remember if I bothered to look at "the document" when they finally released it. I read press accounts, but I don't remember if I looked at the document.
That's all he's saying. And that's another way of saying "this issue does not rate as being important" -- which is the best answer to give, frankly. He is crystal clear in the exchange that the controversy swirling around the B.C. is irrelevant.
Posted by: Y-not at October 24, 2011 10:27 AM (5H6zj)
We wish Uncle Mitt would stfu about that immigration thing. We like getting in-state tuition rates at BYU and he is going to screw that up.
Posted by: The Mexican Romney Clan at October 24, 2011 10:28 AM (Jd1fD)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 24, 2011 10:29 AM (i9cTu)
Just wait, you'll like Perry a lot better when he launches his line of boobie mugs for Thanksgiving.
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at October 24, 2011 02:21 PM (Jd1fD)
Wait... what?? 
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 24, 2011 10:31 AM (Iaxlk)
polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 24, 2011 02:29 PM
You must be desperate to bring up that line there polynikes.
I notice your silence on Romneycare paying for illegal aliens healthcare.
Posted by: Dick Nixon at October 24, 2011 10:34 AM (kaOJx)
@212: You know, Y-not, I'm willing to accept that (maybe) that was absolutely all Perry was trying to say. But any way you slice it: he said it in an inept way that left him open to attack... that is my issue with it. The disgusting thing is how poorly he answered the question.
Perry needs to up his game, if he wants to win. He jumped in without proper planning and preparation, and it shows. I count this incident as just another example of it.
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 24, 2011 10:34 AM (Iaxlk)
BYU is a private university.
But that Moe Lane piece on the sidebar is pretty devastating.
Posted by: Y-not at October 24, 2011 10:34 AM (5H6zj)
CoolCzech at October 24, 2011 02:34 PM
No condemnation of Romneycare paying for illegal aliens from you either Czech. You ok with that?
Posted by: Dick Nixon at October 24, 2011 10:35 AM (kaOJx)
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 24, 2011 10:36 AM (Iaxlk)
CoolCzech at October 24, 2011 02:34 PM
No condemnation of Romneycare paying for illegal aliens from you either Czech. You ok with that?
Posted by: Dick Nixon at October 24, 2011 02:35 PM (kaOJx)
I'm not, not at all. Neither am I OK with Perry's tuition thing. But I'll take either of them over Obama, any day. Let's choose the one best suited to beat Obama.
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 24, 2011 10:37 AM (Iaxlk)
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 24, 2011 10:38 AM (Iaxlk)
We'll have to agree to disagree.
Based on the transcript, the only mistake Perry made was misspeaking about his versus Romney's BCs:
"Well, I donÂ’t have a definitive answer, because heÂ’s never seen my birth certificate."
That's a misstatement and a confusion, but it is quickly resolved in the next exchange. And I think the rest of the interview, particularly the last bit, is perfectly clear.
To me, the only negative is spending any time talking about this at all, but it's clear there's a full-press on right now to try to distract from his tax plan.
I know you're disappointed with him and I understand the reasons why, but I think time will tell if the rest of the primary voters feel the same way. And I think Perry has the time. There was a doom and gloom article about his fundraising, but when you read the article, Perry is still out-drawing Mitt on some weeks.
Posted by: Y-not at October 24, 2011 10:38 AM (5H6zj)
UGH - Obama's!
It's easy to get confused! ;-)
Posted by: Y-not at October 24, 2011 10:40 AM (5H6zj)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 24, 2011 10:43 AM (i9cTu)
Posted by: Y-not at October 24, 2011 10:45 AM (5H6zj)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 24, 2011 10:45 AM (i9cTu)
Posted by: Herb Cain at October 24, 2011 10:45 AM (EL+OC)
Posted by: Y-not at October 24, 2011 10:46 AM (5H6zj)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 24, 2011 10:47 AM (i9cTu)
polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 24, 2011 02:45
Sure thing there sparky. Mittens the hypocrite. No wonder you support him.
Posted by: Dick Nixon at October 24, 2011 10:48 AM (kaOJx)
Dr. John Willke
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 24, 2011 02:20 PM (i9cTu)
Mitt and I have worked together in the past. He's a good egg.
Posted by: John Holdren at October 24, 2011 10:50 AM (FkKjr)
I think there are more Southern Baptists than Wiccans. IIRC, there are about 17 million Southern Baptists.
Also, my LDS friends are not holding Rev. Jeffress' remarks against Perry. Why are you?
Posted by: Y-not at October 24, 2011 10:53 AM (5H6zj)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 24, 2011 10:54 AM (i9cTu)
Posted by: Y-not at October 24, 2011 02:38 PM (5H6zj)
Well, between you and me, Y-not, I really hope you're right about Perry being to pull out of his dive. Sure, at first I hoped he really WAS the Second Coming of Reagan... hell, he even looked like Reagan. I totally ignored the immigration issues and pooh-poohed the Tardisil BS. I hung with him debate after disastrous debate... but I just ran out of patience.
If he comes back strong, I'll be there for him. IF...
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 24, 2011 10:55 AM (Iaxlk)
Posted by: Herb Cain at October 24, 2011 02:45 PM
I'll bet Mutt Romney has at least one painted-over rock on each of his plantations!
Posted by: MrScribbler at October 24, 2011 10:57 AM (YjjrR)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 24, 2011 10:58 AM (i9cTu)
Posted by: MrScribbler at October 24, 2011 02:57 PM (YjjrR)
You could ask Mitt's landscapers, but you better speak Spanish.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 24, 2011 10:59 AM (FkKjr)
polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 24, 2011 02:54 PM
I haven't insulted you. All I see is Romneybots getting pissed when their idol is exposed as a hypocrite.
Posted by: Dick Nixon at October 24, 2011 10:59 AM (kaOJx)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 24, 2011 11:02 AM (i9cTu)
Posted by: Reggie1971 at October 24, 2011 11:05 AM (b68Df)
"how implying I'm a hypocrit because I support Romney is not considered an insult. "
Romney is a hypocrite. You support him. If that makes you a hypocrite so be it.
Posted by: Dick Nixon at October 24, 2011 11:06 AM (kaOJx)
Reggie1971 at October 24, 2011 03:05 PM
And under Romneycare, which Mitt Romney defends rather strongly. Along with it's individual mandate.
Posted by: Dick Nixon at October 24, 2011 11:07 AM (kaOJx)
Yeah, but the Wiccans are much better organized.
Less of a joke than you think.
Posted by: DarkLord© sez Obama is a stuttering clusterf--- of a miserable failure
Oh, and F--- Nevada! at October 24, 2011 11:08 AM (GBXon)
Posted by: Vic at October 24, 2011 11:14 AM (YdQQY)
From Gateway Pundit, another factoid regarding Romneycare:
"RelatedÂ… In 2009 between 46,000 and 49,000 Massachusetts residents were fined under that stateÂ’s Romneycare law for not having health insurance, or for having a policy that did not include all the mandated coverages imposed by that law."
Sounds like a conservative thing to me.
Posted by: Dick Nixon at October 24, 2011 11:16 AM (kaOJx)
Reggie1971 at October 24, 2011 03:05 PM
And under Romneycare, which Mitt Romney defends rather strongly. Along with it's individual mandate.
I think you are missing the point. The fact that the government provides healthcare to illegal aliens in Massachusetts has nothing to do with Mitt Romney or Romneycare.
Posted by: Reggie1971 at October 24, 2011 11:16 AM (b68Df)
From the LA Times write up on the story:
"But Massachusetts officials involved in crafting the healthcare law said there was broad understanding when Romney signed it that at least some people who would benefit would be in the country illegally.
That's supported by language in the law. Although it explicitly bars undocumented immigrants from getting certain health benefits, it does not prohibit them from receiving aid through the Health Safety Net."
Posted by: Dick Nixon at October 24, 2011 11:30 AM (kaOJx)
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Not to mention the Library of Congress. You think the CIA could get in there? Hah, fat chance!
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