April 25, 2011
— Ace "Prison break" in quotes, because who knows how much help they had from the inside, outside, and topside.
Hundreds of prisoners escaped from a jail in Afghanistan's south on Monday through a tunnel dug by Taliban insurgents, officials said, a "disaster" for the Afghan government and a setback for foreign forces planning to start a gradual withdrawal within months....
Tooryalai Wesa, governor of volatile southern Kandahar province, told Reuters 488 prisoners escaped due to the negligence of Afghan security forces at the province's main jail. He said the tunnel led to a nearby house.
Khandahar, "the South," which is Pashtun-controlled and ergo Taliban country.
I renew my call for a partition in the country, establishing the anti-Taliban north as its own sovereign nation -- and then we support that nation and make war on the Pashtun one (the bigger part).
I am so sick of trying to preserve old borders and the idea of pluralistic multicultural society in places that are primitive and savage.
The Pashtuns like the Taliban and support them; let them choke on that. We may not be able to save the whole country, but we can preserve the anti-Taliban parts of it, and bomb the shit out of the rest of it.
The corrupt Hamid Karzai is president because he's a Pashtun and Pashtuns will of course not permit a non-Pashtun to head their government. Fine. They can have their choice of government but then we must impose our choice of countries and borders.
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Posted by: Ben at April 25, 2011 09:19 AM (wuv1c)
Posted by: Bomber at April 25, 2011 09:19 AM (qzoN5)
My Friend, Hamid Karzai would never allow such things.
Posted by: garrett at April 25, 2011 09:20 AM (spbRY)
Posted by: John McCain at April 25, 2011 09:21 AM (spbRY)
Posted by: Hamid Karzai at April 25, 2011 09:21 AM (zgZzy)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 25, 2011 09:21 AM (eOXTH)
Posted by: Leonid Brezhnev at April 25, 2011 09:22 AM (zgZzy)
We have top men investigating the matter.
Top. Men.
In other words, one should secure their goats against molestation.
Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie © at April 25, 2011 09:24 AM (1hM1d)
Posted by: pep at April 25, 2011 09:26 AM (fe+Ez)
Posted by: Barbarian at April 25, 2011 09:26 AM (EL+OC)
Just more proof that there's no value in long term detainment. The SOP should be as follows:
Step 1 - Torture the degenerate muz bastard until every last drop of info has been squeezed out of his thick skull.
Step 2 - Shot him in the head and bury him in a pit.
Posted by: Reactionary at April 25, 2011 09:26 AM (xUM1Q)
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at April 25, 2011 09:27 AM (zgZzy)
Posted by: boned to the bone at April 25, 2011 09:27 AM (0ba8c)
Joe Biden was right.
There, I said it. I hate that I had to say it. But he was. COIN is an expensive tragedy. Wack-a-jihadi is the way to go.
Posted by: Beagle at April 25, 2011 09:28 AM (sOtz/)
Posted by: George Orwell at April 25, 2011 09:28 AM (AZGON)
Posted by: BuddyPC at April 25, 2011 09:29 AM (nSkOL)
Then bomb it.
Posted by: ss396 at April 25, 2011 09:29 AM (/hLIS)
Posted by: Barack Obama at April 25, 2011 09:29 AM (zgZzy)
Posted by: ss396 at April 25, 2011 09:30 AM (/hLIS)
Posted by: nevergiveup at April 25, 2011 09:30 AM (i6RpT)
Posted by: Dr Spank at April 25, 2011 09:30 AM (1fB+3)
Posted by: AmishDude at April 25, 2011 09:31 AM (T0NGe)
Posted by: George Orwell at April 25, 2011 09:31 AM (AZGON)
Posted by: Profressor Joe Biden at April 25, 2011 09:31 AM (oDMwn)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 25, 2011 09:31 AM (eOXTH)
With every passing day, I come closer and closer to thinking that we need to get the frak out of these Islamist hell holes. Until we change the ROE, we're not going to win.
Just my $0.02.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at April 25, 2011 09:32 AM (zgZzy)
Posted by: Rocks at April 25, 2011 09:32 AM (th0op)
We need to get out of that country. It isn't worth one america life or american dollar anymore.
It's never ever going to work. It was a backwards sh*thole when we got there, it will be a backwards sh*thole when we leave.
I think we need to be even less involved that Ace is suggesting. Break it up into regions and warlord. Make a deal with some of them, that in return for slaughtering jihadi's, we'll pay them a monthly stipend or drop laser guided bombs on their enemies.
I don't see how we "win" in Afghanistan.
Posted by: Ben at April 25, 2011 09:32 AM (wuv1c)
Actually, for all their orthodoxy, you have much more in common with the Taliban than you realize, ace.
Posted by: Charles Fourier at April 25, 2011 09:32 AM (5PiVP)
Posted by: negentropy at April 25, 2011 09:32 AM (27KAF)
The imam threw a party in the county jail.
The muezzin was there and he began to wail.
The inmates turned to Mecca and they hit the floor.
And jihadis dressed in burqas walked right out the door.
Let's rock Everybody, let's rock.
Posted by: Al-Vez bin Presley at April 25, 2011 09:33 AM (QKKT0)
Posted by: ss396 at April 25, 2011 01:30 PM (/hLIS)
Meh. I've seen plenty of muz females on TV enthusiastically chanting "death to America" with their male counterparts. Pity is wasted on them. If anything, we should kill the females first. Shut down the muslim baby factories.
Posted by: Reactionary at April 25, 2011 09:33 AM (xUM1Q)
Posted by: Unclefacts Luxury-Yacht at April 25, 2011 09:34 AM (6IReR)
Posted by: nevergiveup at April 25, 2011 09:34 AM (i6RpT)
Ace is right, but the area is too big.
Replace “the North” with a 20 mile by 20 mile area around Kabul. Everyone who wants to live inside of this zone does so by our rules, which includes all children being taught exclusively English and all western style law. Everything outside the perimeter is basically a free fire zone.
Time for some good old fashion colonialism.
Posted by: jwest at April 25, 2011 09:35 AM (qeYI9)
I don't see how we "win" in Afghanistan.
Posted by: Ben at April 25, 2011 01:32 PM (wuv1c)
I believe I have devised a winning strategy - it will make good use of our stockpiles of nerve gas and other useful pest-control chemicals. Once all the cities are depopulated and all the wells poisoned, things will calm down in a hurry.
Posted by: Reactionary at April 25, 2011 09:36 AM (xUM1Q)
See, I was right. Divide it in three.
Didnt biden wan't to split Iraq, not A-stan?
There is no reason to split Iraq, actually it's better that we don't, as the Sunnis and Kurds prevent the Shia from simply being annexed by Iran. With A-Stan, it doesn't even matter.
Personally, and this is extremely devious and cynical, but I think we should do everything we can to push India into war with Pakistan. Let the indians slaughter them while we sit back and watch from afar.
I think, since we're clearly declining in power, that we need to do more with less. We should adopt the British strategy in mainland europe during the 17th, 18th, 19th and 20th century, which was by playing all sides against each other in mainland europe.
Posted by: Ben at April 25, 2011 09:36 AM (wuv1c)
I renew my call for a partition in the country, establishing the anti-Taliban north as its own sovereign nation -- and then we support that nation and make war on the Pashtun one (the bigger part).
This.
Why the hell is the world so hung up on established borders that are little more than arbitrary tracings on a map? Are there ANY resources in Afghanistan that would make unification worthwhile? No, I didn't think so. So chop it in half and bomb the hell out of the Taliban and their supporters who happen to fall on the wrong side of the new border.
Posted by: MWR at April 25, 2011 09:36 AM (4df7R)
Actually, for all their orthodoxy, you have much more in common with the Taliban than you realize, ace.
Posted by: Charles Fourier at April 25, 2011 01:32 PM (5PiVP)
Puppet Troll?
NCJ is that you?
Posted by: Roadking at April 25, 2011 09:37 AM (h518D)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at April 25, 2011 09:38 AM (d0Tfm)
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at April 25, 2011 09:38 AM (zgZzy)
Oh wait........
Posted by: © Sponge at April 25, 2011 09:38 AM (UK9cE)
BTW, that stuff I was saying about Libya becoming a jihadi magnet...
Link to Australian seen at Jihad Watch.
So our allies today will be attempting to kill us in ten years just as happened in the Balkans. Where are those Serbian suicide bombers driven by root causes and American foreign policy? Any day now I'm sure.
Posted by: Beagle at April 25, 2011 09:40 AM (sOtz/)
Posted by: Charles Fourier loves to fuck goats at April 25, 2011 09:40 AM (oDMwn)
O/T Speaking of oil and high gas prices, anybody up for a bit of fun? Read all the way down.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at April 25, 2011 09:40 AM (d0Tfm)
Posted by: Andy at April 25, 2011 09:41 AM (uZpV4)
Bombs away after we get our military out of the area. Seems hopeless thanks to Karzai and our Community Organizer in Cheeze.
Very, very tired of the kid-glove-politically-correct crap with radical Islamic terrorists.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky at April 25, 2011 09:41 AM (FnRYN)
With every passing day, I come closer and closer to thinking that we need to get the frak out of these Islamist hell holes. Until we change the ROE, we're not going to win.
Just my $0.02.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at April 25, 2011 01:32 PM (zgZzy)
This.....
If the Generals and MILITARY MEN (and women) were allowed to do what they do best without the 'ruling elite know it all fucktards' interfering, the war would probably be over by now.
Posted by: © Sponge at April 25, 2011 09:41 AM (UK9cE)
Posted by: JackStraw at April 25, 2011 09:41 AM (TMB3S)
Tell ya what. Divide the country in half, build a big DMZ replete with mines/concertina and toss Karzai's corrupt smelly, twice-basted ass over it and we have a deal.
Extra points if he lands in the minefield.
Posted by: Marcus at April 25, 2011 09:42 AM (CHrmZ)
Posted by: Professor Joe Biden at April 25, 2011 09:42 AM (oDMwn)
Posted by: Ben at April 25, 2011 09:43 AM (wuv1c)
Posted by: Unclefacts Luxury-Yacht at April 25, 2011 09:43 AM (6IReR)
Posted by: Charles Fourier at April 25, 2011 01:32 PM (5PiVP)
You do realize your hero was a raging anti-Semite and typical hypocritical rich selfish socialist fop right?
The Left favors higher taxes because they plan to evade them.
Posted by: Beagle at April 25, 2011 09:43 AM (sOtz/)
>>> You want to win in Afghanistan? Take out Pakistan.
Afghanistan is nothing more than a proxy battlefield.
Thus endeth the surmon.
Posted by: Roadking at April 25, 2011 09:44 AM (h518D)
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at April 25, 2011 09:44 AM (oDMwn)
There is now winning in Afghanistan. There is nothing to win. It is a country full of different tribes who would just as well fight each other as not, there is no civilised model there that people want to go back to like in Germany or Japan, there is no disire to become one nation.
They don't want to escape the binds of the taliban and sharia, most of them agree with that life.
It's time to leave, it was never time to stay. I thought Bush was going to go in and kill a bunch of bad guys and leave, he didn't do that.
Posted by: robtr at April 25, 2011 09:44 AM (MtwBb)
Time for some good old fashion colonialism.
Posted by: jwest at April 25, 2011 01:35 PM (qeYI9)
Let's hand it over to the Europeans. They do colonialism better than we do. We're too nice. Get some good old-fashioned Brits in there -- REAL Brits, not the namby-pamby wimps that are being pumped out of their schools these days -- and let them teach the locals whatfor.
Let's resurrect the immortal quote of Sir Charles James Napier:
"You say that it is your custom [in India] to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; [then] beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."
Replace "burn widows" with "implement Shariah," and you're good to go.
Posted by: MWR at April 25, 2011 09:44 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: maddogg at April 25, 2011 09:45 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: JackStraw at April 25, 2011 01:41 PM (TMB3S)
This.
Posted by: garrett at April 25, 2011 09:45 AM (spbRY)
And Happy Easter!
Posted by: President Chickenhawk at April 25, 2011 09:45 AM (1fB+3)
58 You want to win in Afghanistan? Take out Pakistan.
And every country that borders these savages.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at April 25, 2011 09:46 AM (zgZzy)
REAL Brits, not the namby-pamby wimps that are being pumped out of their schools these days --
Are there any of those types left?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at April 25, 2011 09:47 AM (d0Tfm)
Posted by: robtr at April 25, 2011 01:44 PM (MtwBb)
Roger that. Those CIA boys riding into battle on horseback alongside the Northern Alliance was a Great Moment and all, but Afghanistan has been a tar baby for generations. Ask the Brits,,,,,,,,,,,
Sometimes it's best to go in quickly, kill those who need to be killed, and leave quickly.
Posted by: SantaRosaStan at April 25, 2011 09:48 AM (UqKQV)
Posted by: maddogg at April 25, 2011 01:45 PM (OlN4e)
Is there a limit on how many people we can call corrupt?
Posted by: Tami at April 25, 2011 09:48 AM (VuLos)
I'm to the point of destroying anything built since 633 AD and letting the whole go back to the dirt-scratching phase. The only thing to leave behind is 'Fuck with us again and well be back.'
Posted by: nickless at April 25, 2011 09:49 AM (MMC8r)
72 These prisoners were living in horrible conditions. They were denied the right to vote, couldn't have sex with kids, and were not allowed to murder Christians as is their right. What did you expect?
Heh. Note how "kids" has multiple meanings...
Posted by: MWR at April 25, 2011 09:49 AM (4df7R)
I'll use your own phrase, Ace. And then what? We effectively already did this when we first took over A'stan in 2002. The Taliban came back.
The Soviets tried the bomb them all to hell approach, with mixed results due to our military aid. Do you think Iran, Pakistan, China, and Russia wouldn't love the chance to do the same thing to us?
Also, is this consistent with your earlier admonitions to avoid talking about genocidal solutions on your website? Could such a thing be accomplished without genocidal levels of killing, mostly innocents? I doubt it.
Posted by: pep at April 25, 2011 09:49 AM (fe+Ez)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 25, 2011 09:49 AM (eOXTH)
Posted by: nevergiveup at April 25, 2011 09:50 AM (i6RpT)
Is there a limit on how many people we can call corrupt?
No. It just seems silly to look to the neighbor's house for evidence of smoke when your own house is a balzing inferno.
Posted by: maddogg at April 25, 2011 09:50 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 25, 2011 09:50 AM (UOM48)
Two words: Panty Dropper
Whoops wrong thread........let me try again.....
Two Words: Daisy Cutter
Posted by: Roadking at April 25, 2011 09:51 AM (h518D)
Let's get out of Iraq.
Let's get out of Libya.
Let's build a wall. A huge, effing wall, with an alligator infested trench.
Let's round up all the illegal aliens and send them south.
Let's make it a felony to post a job that "requires" Spanish.
Posted by: Bean Blossom at April 25, 2011 09:51 AM (MGmET)
REAL Brits, not the namby-pamby wimps that are being pumped out of their schools these days --
Are there any of those types left?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at April 25, 2011 01:47 PM (d0Tfm)
If there is still anyone from my parents' lineages kicking around over there today, then yes, though they're few and far between. Either one of my grandfathers would have gladly kicked Taliban ass from here to next Friday. And my grandmothers would have been just as tough.
I mourn the loss of the Stiff Upper Lip.
Posted by: MWR at April 25, 2011 09:52 AM (4df7R)
I was to sickened and enraged by that my head nearly exploded.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 25, 2011 09:52 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 25, 2011 01:52 PM (UOM4
Thank you, fucking worthless, suicidal Rules of Engagement!
Posted by: MWR at April 25, 2011 09:55 AM (4df7R)
Iranian ship loaded with poison gas seized at Port of Sinai
Please disperse. There's nothing to see here.
Posted by: Frank Drebin at April 25, 2011 10:03 AM (spbRY)
Posted by: Beagle at April 25, 2011 10:04 AM (sOtz/)
'There has never been an escape from Stalag 13 my Afghan jail. Isn't that correct Sgt. Schultz?'
Posted by: Col. Klink at April 25, 2011 10:06 AM (UU0OF)
Posted by: maddogg at April 25, 2011 10:07 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: Sgt. Abu Schultz at April 25, 2011 10:13 AM (PaV2r)
Posted by: sexypig at April 25, 2011 10:16 AM (UmEOs)
Posted by: sexypig at April 25, 2011 10:17 AM (UmEOs)
I agree. The bonus being that most of the raw material wealth, like say copper mines, are in the north...
So, in the words of VP "Sleepy" Bite-me, divide that suckah up!
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