May 03, 2011
— Ace A CBS anchor in Los Angeles is terming the death of Osama bin Ladin a "murder," steve_in_hb tells me:
Local CBS2 news anchor just made the following statement while pimping their 8:00 KCAL9 coverage of OBL: "new reaction on the murder of the terrorist mastermind." Murder? Apparently, the killing during legal combat operations of a person who 1) declared war on the US and 2) masterminded a series of attacks, generally targeting civilians, is murder.
A charitable person would assume that, while it was a horrible misuse of the language, it was probably merely a slip of the tongue. However, when I went to their website to write a complaint I found that someone else had already complained about one of their stories describing his death as murder. That complaint (post and link here) was posted 20 hours before the occurence I witnessed. While it appears the earlier complaint refers to a guest describing OBL's death as murder, the occurrence that angered me was a direct statement by Sharon Tay who is described on their website as an anchor.
I asked, to make sure of the context: Did she tease an upcoming interview by asking "Was it murder?" That would also be awful, but at least it would be a question.
No, he informs me. Sharon Tay called it a "murder" in a simple statement.
They cut to her briefly during the CBS2 coverage to pimp the KCAL9 8:00 pm coverage - she rattled off the stories they would be covering and made the direct statemnt "new reaction on the murder of the terrorist mastermind." She didn't say something like "some calling OBL's death murder", etc.
So there you go: Local CBS news reader Sharon Tay in Los Angeles thinks SEAL Team 6 just conducted a state-sanctioned murder.
I wonder what their motive was? Maybe they were all named in his will as beneficiaries. Maybe they wanted to take control of his lucrative vinyards. Maybe he was blackmailing them all with nudie pictures they'd had taken as young men.
Who knows? But I love a murder mystery.
"I need to dust for fingerprints!
That is what you do for fingerprints, right?
You dust for them? Whatever it is, I'm doing
that fingerprint-thing."
Sharon loves traveling the world and speaks Spanish and Cantonese.
Ah. I notice "English" isn't listed. Maybe she just struggles with simple English words.
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Journalists are supposed to adhere the moral equivalence code they are taught at college.
This shouldn't bother anyone
Posted by: longtime republican at May 03, 2011 07:43 AM (uFokq)
That does not imply any wrong-doing on the part of the SEALs... or even, necessarily, on the President's part. But it wasn't a killing following a trial.
Posted by: Y-not at May 03, 2011 07:43 AM (pW2o8)
Posted by: Unclefacts Luxury-Yacht at May 03, 2011 07:43 AM (6IReR)
Posted by: Tami at May 03, 2011 07:44 AM (VuLos)
Posted by: pep at May 03, 2011 07:44 AM (3ll0O)
Posted by: Mister Christopher at May 03, 2011 07:44 AM (/BUPU)
Posted by: pep at May 03, 2011 07:45 AM (3ll0O)
I wonder what their motive was?
CLEARLY they wanted to get their hands on that $25 million reward.
Posted by: MWR at May 03, 2011 07:46 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Tami at May 03, 2011 07:46 AM (VuLos)
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 03, 2011 07:46 AM (qdBf5)
A Poem for my Lover....
Stillness of the night gives way to
Lighting and thunder
Stranger danger my lover perceives
Urine pools at my hooves
My scat flyÂ’s aft
His voice cries out and then no more
The beasts fade into darkness
My Master, My Lover where have you gone
Stillness returns but is broken by the cries of my heart
Baaaaah Baaaaaaaaah
BaaaaaahÂ…Â…Â…
Posted by: Kushn Bin Ladins favorite goat at May 03, 2011 07:47 AM (quUhk)
Posted by: eman: Japanese Babe Rescue Team at May 03, 2011 07:47 AM (p2AIq)
Posted by: Lemmiwinks at May 03, 2011 07:48 AM (pdRb1)
Posted by: Ted Kennedy's Gristle Encased Head at May 03, 2011 07:48 AM (+lsX1)
Posted by: Ken at May 03, 2011 07:48 AM (65RBP)
Posted by: Dax at May 03, 2011 07:48 AM (p3iiO)
Hi, friends.
I woke up this morning and noticed the birds singing. Haven't done that in a long time. Now that Obama has killed Osama bin Laden I feel like a heavy weight has been lifted off my shoulders.
My teenage daughter is pregnant and my wife just lost her job and the bank is about to foreclose on our house, but I'm okay with it because I know we have a real leader in the White House.
Posted by: longtime republican at May 03, 2011 07:48 AM (uFokq)
Posted by: seal team 6 at May 03, 2011 07:48 AM (nZ+Ml)
Awright- *I* did it.
I pulled the trigger on UBL.
Now come convict me.
I dare you. DOUBLE dare, even...
Posted by: Mr Wolf, ESQ at May 03, 2011 07:49 AM (GkzJu)
Posted by: Ken at May 03, 2011 07:49 AM (65RBP)
Posted by: Lemmiwinks at May 03, 2011 11:48 AM (pdRb1)
I dunno how hot she really is... that pic is airbrushed like whoa
Posted by: tangonine at May 03, 2011 07:50 AM (x3YFz)
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at May 03, 2011 07:50 AM (v2K2g)
Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at May 03, 2011 07:50 AM (Q5+Og)
Posted by: eman: Japanese Babe Rescue Team at May 03, 2011 07:50 AM (p2AIq)
Posted by: The Drizzle at May 03, 2011 07:50 AM (ysCLj)
My guess is this anchorette doesn't even realize what she said was wrong. She probably reads the comments and complaints about calling Bin Laden's death "murder" and laughs it off: "What silly yokels!" Seriously. Absolutely no cogitating going on in that well-coiffed head of hers.
I'm sure we'll hear much the same from other newsie talking heads around the country and the world in the days to come. Because they're idiots.
Posted by: MWR at May 03, 2011 07:50 AM (4df7R)
She needn't be punished with a baby! Take her to PP immediately!
Posted by: Barack Obama at May 03, 2011 07:50 AM (9hSKh)
Posted by: The Drizzle at May 03, 2011 07:51 AM (ysCLj)
Posted by: ace at May 03, 2011 07:51 AM (nj1bB)
“In your day jobs, do not let Republicans turn this into continuing the Bush legacy. This has to be about Obama’s decisive leadership,” the guidance said. “He is the one who oversaw bringing bin Laden to justice, much like how Bush failed to do so at Tora Bora and then claimed Osama wasn’t a priority.”
http://tinyurl.com/3b7n9u7
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 03, 2011 07:51 AM (qdBf5)
Hi, friends.
I woke up this morning and noticed the birds singing. Haven't done that in a long time. Now that Obama has killed Osama bin Laden I feel like a heavy weight has been lifted off my shoulders.
My teenage daughter is pregnant and my wife just lost her job and the bank is about to foreclose on our house, but I'm okay with it because I know we have a real leader in the White House.
Posted by: longtime republican at May 03, 2011 11:48 AM (uFokq)
Sorry my bad
Posted by: Lemmiwinks at May 03, 2011 07:52 AM (pdRb1)
Posted by: joncelli at May 03, 2011 07:52 AM (RD7QR)
I was listening to conservative radio guy Michael Graham this morning and I heard a really great call from a smart woman who has been a Republican since 1989.
She was so happy about Osama being killed by Obama that she celebrated by going to city hall and changing her voting registration from Republican to Unenrolled because she was sooooooo proud of her president.
See? I'm not the only one.
Posted by: longtime republican at May 03, 2011 07:52 AM (uFokq)
Posted by: Uncle Mikey at May 03, 2011 07:53 AM (umot9)
Assassination implies the one being killed has no opportunity to surrender. They stated in the account of the raid OBL was given that opportunity so I think assassination is the wrong word also. And generally when someone is shooting at you it is called self defense.
This would be analogous to saying the police assassinated a criminal that resisted arrest by firing at them.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at May 03, 2011 07:53 AM (tf9Ne)
Posted by: kdj0172 at May 03, 2011 07:54 AM (mdGpP)
Tay needs to be hit with a Clue-by-4. Repeatedly.
/I read "Tay" and instantly thought of Riven. WTF?
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at May 03, 2011 07:54 AM (9hSKh)
Posted by: Fartnoise at May 03, 2011 07:54 AM (bCxgV)
Posted by: Ted Kennedy's Gristle Encased Head at May 03, 2011 11:48 AM (+lsX1)
Given everyone's tiptoeing around the issue of should we/shouldn't we assassinate Gadhaffi, apparently there is. At least in his case you could say that it would be the state-sanctioned assassination of a nation's leader, but still. Lockerbie. Come on.
Speaking of which, has the oh-so-terminally-ill-Lockerbie-Bomber died yet? If not, can we get SEAL Team 6 on that detail pronto?
Posted by: MWR at May 03, 2011 07:55 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Ken at May 03, 2011 07:55 AM (65RBP)
No, there isn't something wrong, but I would like the Left to embrace the assassination option that their leader chose to use because I'm sick to death of having them put all sorts of restrictions on conservatives when they're in charge.
I'd also like to point out that there's a distinct difference, in my mind anyway, between offing Bin Laden and what Obama is doing (or trying to do) to Qaddafi. Bush/Cheney went to Congress and got their ok to go after OBL -- but I've missed when Obama/Biden did the same for the Krazy Kolonel.
Posted by: Y-not at May 03, 2011 07:55 AM (pW2o8)
Posted by: Sharkbait Osama at May 03, 2011 07:56 AM (DYJjQ)
Posted by: Eric J. at May 03, 2011 07:57 AM (mB2ub)
I find that annoying.
Women do not really look like that, and if I saw one that did, I'd be worried they were radioactive or something.
Posted by: Dustin at May 03, 2011 07:57 AM (Q3nWV)
Caption? Something like it was Professor Plum in the bedroom with a pistol. Murder solved.
Posted by: Marcus at May 03, 2011 07:57 AM (CHrmZ)
I think longtime repub is a sock
That's crazy talk. All real Republicans will vote for Obama in 2012.
Posted by: Concerned Conservative Christian at May 03, 2011 07:58 AM (sOtz/)
Posted by: Eric J. at May 03, 2011 11:57 AM (mB2ub)
This.
Because, paraphrasing myself, news readers are idiots.
Posted by: MWR at May 03, 2011 07:58 AM (4df7R)
Just sayin'...
Posted by: Uncle Mikey at May 03, 2011 07:58 AM (umot9)
Next, I have a sincere question. So we have this one helicopter down, there were some reports of firing at our guys when they were entering the compound. Does anybody think it is likely that maybe we did take some causalities? It appears from what I have read of the ST6 they would never actually tell us due to their secrecy.
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at May 03, 2011 07:58 AM (IXLvN)
I'll go with "termination with extreme prejudice." Justifiable, at that.
Or to quote Paul Reubens in the original Buffy the Vampire Slayer, "Kill him A LOT."
Posted by: Fartnoise at May 03, 2011 07:58 AM (bCxgV)
Posted by: negentropy at May 03, 2011 07:58 AM (27KAF)
Which version of the events?
The one I'm familiar with said he was unarmed.
I am not criticizing the SEALs, but I am 100% confident Obama did not want OBL captured alive. Aren't you?
Posted by: Y-not at May 03, 2011 07:58 AM (pW2o8)
Posted by: John Fitzgerald Kennedy at May 03, 2011 07:59 AM (Q5+Og)
Posted by: Ben at May 03, 2011 07:59 AM (wuv1c)
62 I think the most likely explanation is that she just doesn't understand the pejorative/legal implications of the word "murder."
Journalizing is hard.
Posted by: real live asian reporter Sharon Tay at May 03, 2011 07:59 AM (tSxym)
Posted by: longtime republican at May 03, 2011 11:48 AM
Obama gets all this praise because he actually did his fucking job for once?
Posted by: TC at May 03, 2011 07:59 AM (DYJjQ)
Posted by: Dax at May 03, 2011 08:00 AM (p3iiO)
I finally see what hope and change is all about.
Last Friday I was angry and partisan. I even believed a lot of what Andrew Breitbart was selling.
On Monday morning everything changed. I'm a new man and this is a new country.
Posted by: longtime republican at May 03, 2011 08:00 AM (uFokq)
Posted by: IreneFingIrene at May 03, 2011 08:00 AM (JKe0g)
Posted by: Bashar Assad at May 03, 2011 08:01 AM (sOtz/)
Posted by: Cicero at May 03, 2011 08:02 AM (2pc1N)
Posted by: richard mcenroe at May 03, 2011 08:02 AM (SKj5l)
Posted by: sTevo at May 03, 2011 08:02 AM (NgFRh)
Posted by: Pol Pot at May 03, 2011 08:03 AM (yQWNf)
The one I'm familiar with said he was unarmed.
I had not heard that version of the events. Only the one where OBL was shooting back at them.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at May 03, 2011 08:03 AM (tf9Ne)
Consequently, I would like the police to arrest one "Barack Hussein Obama, aka Barry Soetoro" immediately. He is the criminal mastermind that ordered the "hit" on Bin Laden.
I suggest a "trial" somewhere like "Berkely California."
Or if our allies in Pockeystahn do not agree with that, we can send this "Obama" fellow over there so they can hold the "trial" there.
It's a sacrifice I'm willing to make!
Posted by: shibumi at May 03, 2011 08:03 AM (OKZrE)
Posted by: PJ at May 03, 2011 08:03 AM (XUYpl)
Posted by: momma at May 03, 2011 12:02 PM (penCf)
Tay posed for Razor magazine - I assume this is part of the pictorial she did for them.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at May 03, 2011 08:04 AM (9hSKh)
Posted by: JackStraw at May 03, 2011 08:04 AM (TMB3S)
Posted by: real live asian reporter Sharon Tay at May 03, 2011 08:05 AM (tSxym)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at May 03, 2011 08:05 AM (mHQ7T)
i have to agree with giving the pass, she's pretty hot
just one though unless there is a pic of her dressed up like little bo peep wearing stockings...then she gets another one or three
Posted by: navycopjoe aka peroni beer czar at May 03, 2011 08:05 AM (EOu3d)
Posted by: Cicero at May 03, 2011 12:02 PM (2pc1N)
As a communications major myself, I choose to not be offended because you're probably right.
(Though I didn't wash out of cosmetology school, and the only important insights I care to share with the world involve words like "Jugears McFuckstick" and "dumbass lefty dickheads," etc.)
Posted by: MWR at May 03, 2011 08:05 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: richard mcenroe at May 03, 2011 08:05 AM (SKj5l)
Funny thing about dead Laden: He declared war on the United States and carried out an act of war on us.
Armed, unarmed, whatever. He was to be shot on sight.
Posted by: scoop soothsayer at May 03, 2011 08:06 AM (uFokq)
Posted by: dogfish at May 03, 2011 08:07 AM (N2yhW)
Posted by: Dave in Texas at May 03, 2011 08:07 AM (WvXvd)
Posted by: "The Sergeant" in the Big Red One at May 03, 2011 08:08 AM (Q4ZJu)
This.
Never. Gets. Old.
Posted by: King of ALL Custard at May 03, 2011 12:06 PM (uK+bb)
Did any of y'all listen to Rush yesterday? Every other time he meant to say "Osama" he said "Obama" instead and had to correct himself. I started to feel sorry for him around the two and a half hour mark, but I was still laughing my ass off.
Posted by: MWR at May 03, 2011 08:08 AM (4df7R)
Going to buy popcorn and beers.
Posted by: Holger at May 03, 2011 08:08 AM (YxGud)
Posted by: Barry Soetero at May 03, 2011 08:09 AM (zgZzy)
Posted by: joncelli at May 03, 2011 08:09 AM (RD7QR)
Strictly speaking, it was homicide. In fact if I remember my Susan Sarandon primer correctly, she has pointed out that "homicide" is listed as the cause of death on executed criminals.
HOWEVER --
If Miss Tay intended a more negative connotation, as in "Americans murdered an unarmed suspect," all I can say is:
Do not interfere when your enemy is killing himself.
By the way, over at Kos they're decrying all the "jingoism."
Posted by: arhooley at May 03, 2011 08:09 AM (ZxC0t)
Posted by: Amy Goodwitch, Demockracy Now at May 03, 2011 08:09 AM (kr609)
That's more impressive than Contessa Brewer's dance, I'll give her that much.
Posted by: Waterhouse at May 03, 2011 08:10 AM (Hiaja)
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at May 03, 2011 08:10 AM (zgZzy)
Posted by: Cicero at May 03, 2011 08:10 AM (2pc1N)
Posted by: nevergiveup at May 03, 2011 08:10 AM (i6RpT)
Posted by: Ken at May 03, 2011 08:10 AM (65RBP)
I hope you posted a link to "Courtesy of the Red, White & Blue" to rile 'em up even more.
Posted by: Waterhouse at May 03, 2011 08:11 AM (Hiaja)
seriously, murdered, killed, whacked, vented...who cares
the fucker is dead and fishes are munching on his carcass, all that matters
Posted by: navycopjoe aka peroni beer czar at May 03, 2011 08:11 AM (EOu3d)
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at May 03, 2011 08:11 AM (IXLvN)
And if you think Seal Team 6 couldn't capture him and avoid killing him if that was their mission, well...
Posted by: kdj0172 at May 03, 2011 08:12 AM (mdGpP)
They never say those kind of soothing platitudes to their political enemies.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at May 03, 2011 08:12 AM (9hSKh)
Posted by: nevergiveup at May 03, 2011 08:12 AM (i6RpT)
By the way, over at Kos they're decrying all the "jingoism."
Ah, nice to see the lefties returning to their usual ways. All that happy cheering and whooping it up yesterday must have been difficult for them.
Posted by: MWR at May 03, 2011 08:13 AM (4df7R)
127 Stop making jokes about our sad lives and FIGHT THE FUCK BACK.
dude, don't do that!! mallamutt will show up with the 128 megafont bomb!!
Posted by: navycopjoe aka peroni beer czar at May 03, 2011 08:14 AM (EOu3d)
What I find interesting is that she violated the "style guide" by not referring to it as an 'alleged murder'.
In a way, this may be doing the Left a favor, since they get to point at this and run to the right of it.
Posted by: Blue Hen at May 03, 2011 08:14 AM (326rv)
I can speak Cantonese too--I just drop a drawer full of silverware down the stairs..."ching chang chong ling ping number 3 dong dong number 21."
Speaking of cultural insensitivity, Rashard Mendenhall must have acquired his rigorous critical thinking skills at my alma mater. Looks like it'll be another year where I won't be making any alumnus contributions...
I just hope they don't release the picture until after I finish my sausage pizza for lunch.
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at May 03, 2011 08:14 AM (QISeL)
Posted by: Ken at May 03, 2011 08:14 AM (65RBP)
"The president gets big bounces on dealing with Afghanistan, with his approval rating soaring to 60 percent, and on handling the threat of terrorism, where he recorded a career high of 69 percent.
More than three-quarters of all Americans say the president deserves credit for the killing of Bin Laden. in Pakistan on Sunday. Among Republicans, 61 percent say Obama deserves at least some credit for the move."
It goes on to say that only 17% of Rs give him great credit and that 81% are more likely to credit President Bush. Also, Obama's approval with Indies is now at 52%.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 03, 2011 08:14 AM (qdBf5)
Posted by: Ken at May 03, 2011 12:10 PM (65RBP)
I like the cut of your Jib!
Posted by: Scum Guy at May 03, 2011 08:14 AM (uK+bb)
It's really not such a mystery. Beauty times brains equals a constant.
Posted by: Advo at May 03, 2011 08:15 AM (7vbG1)
Posted by: Michael McCulough at May 03, 2011 08:15 AM (lSibh)
Me, I'm overjoyed we blew the fucker away
Posted by: nevergiveup at May 03, 2011 12:10 PM (i6RpT)
Send them this link
Posted by: Tami at May 03, 2011 08:15 AM (VuLos)
I hope you posted a link to "Courtesy of the Red, White & Blue" to rile 'em up even more.
Posted by: Waterhouse at May 03, 2011 12:11 PM
I kept posting links to confusing facts, like Pelosi's assertion on September 7 2006 that it was "five years too late" to get bin Laden.
Posted by: arhooley at May 03, 2011 08:15 AM (ZxC0t)
BTW - I think the boy in Coranado would perfer this picture of her.
Posted by: Jean at May 03, 2011 08:16 AM (WkuV6)
Posted by: Ken at May 03, 2011 08:17 AM (65RBP)
Posted by: Ken at May 03, 2011 12:10 PM (65RBP)
Um, what's a fuck back? Until I identify the enemy, I can't fight it 
Posted by: momma at May 03, 2011 08:18 AM (penCf)
Posted by: Senator Scott Brown at May 03, 2011 08:18 AM (mHQ7T)
Posted by: joncelli at May 03, 2011 08:18 AM (RD7QR)
???
What celebrations? Who would have the authority to "turn away" anyone at such events? How would those doing the supposed "turning away" know the party affiliation of any given celebrant? How would they know which were military vets (sans any identifying garb)?
This smells like horseshit rumor-shilling, fueled by heightened emotionalism.
Posted by: Fartnoise at May 03, 2011 08:18 AM (bCxgV)
Unless my memory is faulty, I distinctly remember humping Sharon Tay in the House of the Rising Sun in Taipei, Taiwan. It's Possible I am mistaken, and it was her mother Masako. Also, great blowjob.
Posted by: Fish the Impaler at May 03, 2011 08:19 AM (ndqJC)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 03, 2011 08:19 AM (U9jjw)
152 Um, what's a fuck back?
its known as every day after a bride eats wedding cake...they fight it
(and yes, she just left for work a little while ago)
Posted by: navycopjoe aka peroni beer czar at May 03, 2011 08:20 AM (EOu3d)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 03, 2011 08:21 AM (U9jjw)
There is something vastly wrong with that sentence. I thought journalism majors had to take English as a course.
Posted by: Vic at May 03, 2011 08:21 AM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: Ken at May 03, 2011 08:21 AM (65RBP)
Posted by: andycanuck at May 03, 2011 08:21 AM (Y1DZt)
Lay off, fellas, the lady just reads the words off the teleprompter. Like our president.
I'd love to take her back to my apartment and show her my many leather-bound books that smell of rich mahogany. Sky-rockets in flight...afternoon delight.
Posted by: Ron Burgundy at May 03, 2011 08:21 AM (Z10U7)
That's what we used to call chicks who were particularly feisty in the sack.
"Wow she really fucks back." Thus a fuck-back.
Posted by: Typical disgusting moron at May 03, 2011 08:22 AM (LH6ir)
Posted by: joncelli at May 03, 2011 08:22 AM (RD7QR)
Local CBS news reader Sharon Tay in Los Angeles thinks SEAL Team 6 just conducted a state-sanctioned murder
Hey! When did Pakistan become a state?
Posted by: Moron at May 03, 2011 08:23 AM (326rv)
162 we might have a halfway decent country in which we could lead normal lives,
well, no one is stopping you from going to the airport nancy
Posted by: navycopjoe aka peroni beer czar at May 03, 2011 08:23 AM (EOu3d)
Sharon Tay (born , 1966) is an Asian American journalist and former host of two programs on the MSNBC network.
That explains it!
Posted by: AoSHQ's worst commenter, DarkLord© at May 03, 2011 08:23 AM (GBXon)
Posted by: Ben at May 03, 2011 11:59 AM (wuv1c)
I think Seal Team 6 murdered Osama becuase the fix was in for him to win on "Dancing with the Stars"
Posted by: The Robot Devil at May 03, 2011 08:23 AM (LdYLm)
She speaks Canonese? Good. Maybe she can finally explain to me what's exactly on a pupu platter.
Posted by: gilmour concepcion at May 03, 2011 08:23 AM (xqrGi)
I'm pretty sure V-tay-tay is a D.
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at May 03, 2011 08:23 AM (IXLvN)
Posted by: ace at May 03, 2011 08:24 AM (nj1bB)
I'd murder that.
Damn right you would
http://www.ronfineman.com/subscribers/tayrazor.jpg
Posted by: Drf321! at May 03, 2011 08:25 AM (Xv7f/)
It was as much of the alphabet as she knew how to use
Posted by: Elvis Costello at May 03, 2011 08:25 AM (wOGfT)
Next, I have a sincere question. So we have this one helicopter down, there were some reports of firing at our guys when they were entering the compound. Does anybody think it is likely that maybe we did take some causalities? It appears from what I have read of the ST6 they would never actually tell us due to their secrecy.
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at May 03, 2011 11:58 AM (IXLvN)
I was going to mention that. Based on the photo of the Blackhawk tail section, it looks like that was a very hard crash landing.There will probably be some "training accidents" reported in eastern Afghanistan.
Posted by: Ed Anger at May 03, 2011 08:25 AM (7+pP9)
Posted by: Ken at May 03, 2011 08:25 AM (65RBP)
172 Maybe she can finally explain to me what's exactly on a pupu platter.
dude, i live in hawaii, land of pupu platters....you don't want to know
Posted by: navycopjoe aka peroni beer czar at May 03, 2011 08:26 AM (EOu3d)
Posted by: nevergiveup at May 03, 2011 08:26 AM (i6RpT)
A.K.A. a "Keith Olbermann"
Posted by: Fartnoise at May 03, 2011 08:26 AM (bCxgV)
Posted by: ace at May 03, 2011 12:24 PM (nj1bB)
And because of this are more easily manipulated by the hard-left.
Posted by: Typical disgusting moron at May 03, 2011 08:27 AM (LH6ir)
Posted by: Fred at May 03, 2011 08:28 AM (xWGQr)
Posted by: Moron at May 03, 2011 12:23 PM (326rv)
When that passivist peace nick Ghandi gave half of India away to the muzzies
Posted by: nevergiveup at May 03, 2011 12:26 PM (i6RpT)
We are the "Rodney Dangerfield" of nations. You are a very, very bad man George Harrison...
Posted by: Bangladesh at May 03, 2011 08:28 AM (LdYLm)
The Knights Templars have returned as the Seals team 6.
It is time peasants, to turn your plows into swords, find a strong horse and ride in the name of the Lord.
Posted by: NortonPete at May 03, 2011 12:18 PM (pfplf)
Sell your cloak, buy a sword....
Posted by: Some Wandering Philosopher, just before Easter at May 03, 2011 08:28 AM (NtXW4)
Posted by: Ken at May 03, 2011 08:28 AM (65RBP)
Qusay Hussein? DEAD!
Uday Hussein? DEAD!
Saddam Hussein? DEAD!
Khalid Sheikh Mohammad? CAPTURED!
Osama bin Laden? DEAD!
Posted by: Rahm Emmanuel at May 03, 2011 08:29 AM (YxGud)
"instead of being lonely, miserable, and surrounded by utter and total evil darkness"
Ummm...dude, sounds like you've got problems way beyond politics.
Posted by: gebrauchshund at May 03, 2011 08:29 AM (iYwUw)
Posted by: Havedash at May 03, 2011 08:29 AM (sFD5n)
Maybe in Creative Writing. I used to grade tests for the basic grammar & usage course at our J school here, and the broadcast majors were the worst.
I studied electronics and the technology of broadcasting is fascinating, but *the talent* is always the stupidest part.
Posted by: Jeannie at May 03, 2011 08:30 AM (GdalM)
Posted by: Osama bin Laden's last words at May 03, 2011 08:30 AM (YxGud)
67% approval on terrorism
58% approval for Afghanistan
58% say Obama is a strong and decisive leader
Over 90% say al Qaeda remains a threat. Data in the piece shows Bush received a larger bounce. No update on economic issues but he was at a new low of 40% in the WaPo/Pew sample.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 03, 2011 08:30 AM (qdBf5)
Posted by: navycopjoe aka peroni beer czar at May 03, 2011 08:30 AM (EOu3d)
Qusay Hussein? DEAD!
Uday Hussein? DEAD!
Saddam Hussein? DEAD!
Khalid Sheikh Mohammad? CAPTURED!
Osama bin Laden? DEAD!
Posted by: Rahm Emmanuel at May 03, 2011 12:29 PM (YxGud)
Fuck you Rahm, I'll fuck your dead skull in Hell.
Posted by: Dean Wormer at May 03, 2011 08:31 AM (LdYLm)
Posted by: Osama bin Laden's last words at May 03, 2011 12:30 PM (YxGud)
No my last words were, "So, you're here for the 2012 donation for Obama?"
Posted by: Osama Bin Rotten at May 03, 2011 08:32 AM (LdYLm)
Posted by: Ken at May 03, 2011 08:32 AM (65RBP)
Posted by: Obama McFuckNuts at May 03, 2011 08:33 AM (QcFbt)
Posted by: Dean Don't you miss Editors at May 03, 2011 08:34 AM (mQqdV)
You are tiptoeing on the line that separates being provocative and being an asshole -- and you are tilting toward the asshole side.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at May 03, 2011 08:34 AM (LH6ir)
Posted by: Dave at May 03, 2011 08:35 AM (mQqdV)
Well take it off and put on a red, white and blue C for conservative.
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at May 03, 2011 08:35 AM (IXLvN)
Posted by: Tiger Mom at May 03, 2011 08:35 AM (TATbF)
Posted by: Ken at May 03, 2011 12:10 PM (65RBP)
Um, what's a fuck back? Until I identify the enemy, I can't fight it
Posted by: momma at May 03, 2011 12:18 PM (penCf)
I think the Saints used a fuck back in their offense back in the '70s.
Posted by: Lemmiwinks at May 03, 2011 08:36 AM (pdRb1)
Posted by: andycanuck at May 03, 2011 08:36 AM (Y1DZt)
Help me here. Obama decided against the B-2 raid in March because he wanted OBL's body. (habeus corpus?) So, instead, he takes the much, much riskier action he did. Helicopters. Boots on the ground, etc. (BTW, why would that risk another Desert One or Blackhawk Down? Isn't Pakistan our ally? Don't the muzzies love us now that Obama gave that speech in Cairo? They should have been able to call AAA.) But I digress.
Anyway, the SEALS and the CIA go in. Ventilate OBL. Take a bunch of pictures, maybe even some real time video. And they carry OBL's corpse off the USS Carl Vinson for more pictures and high fives and a sensitive to Muslims burial at sea with the trash.
So where are the pictures on Day Two of the Obama victory lap? The pictures the obtaining of which required a substantial escalation in risk to the SEALS?
Don't suppose President Narcissus is holding out on the pics in order to milk the news cycle for this, do you?
Posted by: Groundskeeper Grassy Knoll at May 03, 2011 08:37 AM (Xv7f/)
Sadly, for some of us... she is technicly correct.
We are supposed to live in a Republic, where the rule of law is sacred, yet we constantly just IGNORE our own laws, instead of having the debate to FIX them.
From one viewpoint, according to our own laws, the President ordered a military unit to go into a Sovereign Nation, without an Act of War against said Nation, and assasinated a Civilian. "IF" as reported, they were not told to capture him... but to kill him then retrieve the body... this is very troubling (under both our laws, and the Geneva Convention which controls the legal actions of Military Forces).
It would have been EASY to fix this... a Law passed by Congress and signed by the President? Heck, a Trial in Abscentia with a Death Sentence?
What is troubling is the bluring of Lines on Military Action... we are mixing rolls of Intelligence and Military units... until the Military is no longer given the protection of the Geneva Convention, WITHOUT laying the Legal groundwork FIRST.
Posted by: Romeo13 at May 03, 2011 08:37 AM (NtXW4)
Posted by: Ken at May 03, 2011 08:38 AM (65RBP)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 03, 2011 08:39 AM (+61wI)
As Colonel Saito said: "Do not speak to me of rules. This is war! This is not a game of cricket"
All I know is the Drudge headline which said he was unarmed. By none of the rules this administration likes to yield against it's adversaries (domestic, political adversaries) is it OK to shoot an unarmed man in the head. That is worse than putting them in Guantanamo, or refusing to tell them which direction mecca is for prayers. In fact, it is murder under most definitions of the word, even in wartime. I say good on her.
I also say this was the only acceptable outcome and good on barry for choosing it. The problem is that the left, led by barry, (and kerry, and the media,..) wants to make believe there are some set of "rules" that we need to follow when dealing with muslims and their war on Western Civilization and that Bush violated all of them.
Pointing out the holes in their logic is the only defense.
Posted by: nine coconuts at May 03, 2011 08:39 AM (uz3hs)
Posted by: Ken at May 03, 2011 08:40 AM (65RBP)
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 03, 2011 08:42 AM (UnhxL)
I agree completely, and would like to buy you a gift in appreciation of all of your efforts. Perhaps a roll of aluminum foil?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at May 03, 2011 08:43 AM (LH6ir)
And when someone came over and told ... me the news, my stomach sank. IÂ’m not in any way naive about what al-Qaida is. ItÂ’s an organization that terrifies me. I know it intimately.
But I’m also intimately familiar with the collective humiliation that we have imposed on the Muslim world. The expansion of military occupation that took place throughout, in particular the Arab world, following 9/11—and that this presence of American imperial bases, dotted, not just in Iraq and Afghanistan, but in Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Doha—is one that has done more to engender hatred and acts of terror than anything ever orchestrated by Osama bin Laden.
Posted by: Amy Goodwitch, Demockracy Now at May 03, 2011 08:44 AM (kr609)
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 03, 2011 08:45 AM (UnhxL)
“…bin Laden was able to build his own image with millions around the world by using legitimate grievances. Many in George W. Bush's administration refused to give weight to the growing appeal of bin Laden's rallying call on what were gross mistakes in our encounters with the Muslim world. Today, many have finally come to realize at least some of bin Laden's grievances mattered immensely…”
http://tinyurl.com/6hl3h2o
Posted by: Kwame at May 03, 2011 08:45 AM (Xv7f/)
anybody think it is likely that maybe we did take some causalities
Maybe, but don't forget that our guys trained for this for weeks while OBL's bodyguards wipe their asses with their hands. If no one got hurt on the hard chopper landing, I would wager that no assaulter took anything worse than bumps or bruises. They had night vision, body armor, superior weapons, and advanced close quarter battle training, the bad guys had the poor judgement not to surrender.
I had a 18 year old kid in my basic training platoon say that he considered any taking of life, even in combat, to be murder. I told him he was a silly bint and he was stripping language of any and all meaning.
Posted by: UGAdawg at May 03, 2011 08:45 AM (osx1V)
Posted by: someguy returns at May 03, 2011 08:46 AM (Y1DZt)
So there you go: Local CBS news reader Sharon Tay in Los Angeles thinks SEAL Team 6 just conducted a state-sanctioned murder.
I guarantee you, all Maobama supporters, Maobama himself, and the entire Ministry of Truth would be calling this action a "murder" and would be calling for prosecutions, had John McCain been President.
Posted by: glowing blue meat at May 03, 2011 08:48 AM (K/USr)
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 03, 2011 08:48 AM (UnhxL)
I'm sure our fellow moronette Rum will be surprised to hear that little bit of information.
I really don't think you know which blog you're on.
Posted by: William Shatner, native Canadian at May 03, 2011 08:49 AM (vdfwz)
214 Sergeant Major Ken "Murder Six" Chestcrusher, Republican Recondo Alpha Vector Squad - leading by motherfucking example.*
yeah, bring your dumbass over and help clean this coffee off my keyboard
Posted by: navycopjoe aka peroni beer czar at May 03, 2011 08:49 AM (EOu3d)
The only thing that could make UBL's assassination better would be if the Loughner Left started calling in unison for murder charges against Chairman Maobama at the International Court in The Hague.
Posted by: glowing blue meat at May 03, 2011 08:50 AM (K/USr)
My question (and it really is a question, I don't know the answer) is whether it would've been better to capture Osama alive or just kill him on the spot.
I'm perfectly OK with the double-tap solution, but recent reports are suggesting that Osama wasn't actually armed, and his "human shield" wife was intentionally trying to shield / protect him. We may never know the truth of the details.
AQ can now credibly (in the view of their fans) claim him to be a "martyr". Were he captured alive, not putting up a fight, humiliated by being kept in solitary confinement until his "trial" and execution- might that have been better? If nothing else, it would probably shut the conspiracy theorists up.
OTOH, it might inspire terrorists to take hostages in a misguided attempt to free him. It would also mean lots of hand-wringing by the Obama admin regarding how to try him.
Again, just asking because I'm not sure myself.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at May 03, 2011 08:51 AM (SY2Kh)
There is evil in the world, and sometimes laws and compassion are not enough to deal with it. At those times you need to shoot it in the head.
Let's call it murder. Let's say that it is the willing murder of an unarmed evil. At least that way we are acknowledging that evil exists and that we (or rather, Seal Team 6) killed it.
Then maybe we can admit that sometimes you don't kill evil, but instead you lock it in a room in a secret prison and rip it's fingernails off until it tells you what you want to know. And other times you hand evil off to allies that can do the dirty work for you. If this bint thinks it was murder, then we are halfway there. If she thinks it was a mistake to kill him, then there is no hope, but if she thinks it was murder, and it was the only option, then we are on the right track.
Posted by: nine coconuts at May 03, 2011 08:54 AM (uz3hs)
I think the biggest risk in taking him alive is that the US gov. has no way to handle him that doesn't give him a lot of publicity, lawyers, and a stage. Maybe before the left intentionally gutted our ability to handle this stuff effectively (led by barry) it was an option, but even then i think a poor one.
The only reason to keep him alive is if he had intelligence value, and i guess the curriers would be just as useful there.
Posted by: nine coconuts at May 03, 2011 08:59 AM (uz3hs)
Sadly, my family lacks the Superhero Gene. Thus, I need the help of others.
Posted by: Ken at May 03, 2011 12:40 PM (65RBP)
Dude, If you want to use your family as an excuse for cowardice, go ahead.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 03, 2011 09:02 AM (7YzRS)
Posted by: ncdawg at May 03, 2011 09:03 AM (Ssodc)
And I see no reason to take prisoners. OBL is not a signatory of the Geneva conventions.
Posted by: Oldcat at May 03, 2011 09:04 AM (z1N6a)
Ah yes, the Religion of Perpetual Humiliation. Back to that old wheeze.
Posted by: Waterhouse at May 03, 2011 09:04 AM (Hiaja)
"Murder" refers to the unlawful taking of a human life. OBL was a designated enemy combatant, making him a legitimate target for lawful military termination.
Posted by: Fartnoise at May 03, 2011 09:05 AM (bCxgV)
Longer than that. OBL declared war on the US during the Clinton admin.
Posted by: CUS at May 03, 2011 09:06 AM (wOGfT)
Nothing will shut conspiracy theorists up. Taking him alive would just mean he was working for us all along. As does killing him - we feared what he would say, of course.
AQ can claim he's a martyr all they like. But he's a martyr that got that way when he thought he was safe, hundreds of miles from the front, and within yards of his protector's army.
That kind of martyrdom gives the other martyrs in waiting pause.
Posted by: Oldcat at May 03, 2011 09:08 AM (z1N6a)
Longer than that. OBL declared war on the US during the Clinton admin.
Posted by: CUS at May 03, 2011 01:06 PM (wOGfT)
I suppose, but I was referring to US against them.
Posted by: Oldcat at May 03, 2011 09:09 AM (z1N6a)
Why Israel and Obama should welcome Hamas-Fatah reconciliation
Posted by: LC LaWedgie at May 03, 2011 09:09 AM (kr609)
Posted by: Chariman LMAO at May 03, 2011 09:14 AM (yJyNa)
They'd have claimed him a martyr if he died falling off his goat.
And like #234 anything that gave him a soapbox would've been bad. Even a few weeks @Gitmo being tribunaled & hung would've pegged the seeth-o-meter into the Daily Deadly Riot Zone.
Posted by: Dave at May 03, 2011 09:20 AM (mQqdV)
Posted by: andycanuck at May 03, 2011 09:21 AM (Y1DZt)
Hollowpoint - we have been at war with OBL and his buddies for 10 years. Collateral damage is a regrettable, but unavoidable byproduct of a military operation.
And I see no reason to take prisoners. OBL is not a signatory of the Geneva conventions.
I get that, though I wouldn't call the killing of Osama "collateral damage". He was the target.
I'm not talking in terms of a moral, ethical or legal dilemma, but questioning what would have served our interests the best- capturing or killing him. Water under the bridge now, but the impression I get is that we did have the opportunity to capture him alive, but decided against it.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at May 03, 2011 09:24 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: Vic at May 03, 2011 09:27 AM (M9Ie6)
The leftists are worse in terms of dissociation from reality.
But the "liberals" are far, far worse in terms of morality and intellectual honesty.
Posted by: ace at May 03, 2011 12:24 PM (nj1bB)
FIFY
Posted by: Secret Service at May 03, 2011 09:34 AM (4f6tn)
Posted by: Vic
Terrorist? I am not familiar with that term. Could you be more specific.
Posted by: Eric Holder at May 03, 2011 09:35 AM (mka2b)
Posted by: Kevin In ABQ at May 03, 2011 09:36 AM (BvTwT)
nevergiveup at May 03, 2011 12:26 PM (i6RpT)
The British created and gave independance to the Pakistans one day before giving indepedance to India. Everyone knew it was coming and many moved to the country they felt safer in.
Posted by: TomJW at May 03, 2011 09:41 AM (Li2G9)
@228:
Anna, he was one of many dumb naive kids I've met who aren't self aware enough to know that they don't know shit. Many have infested college campuses like ticks. Others have gotten older and uglier and are now in Congress, and they still haven't learned shit.
Posted by: UGAdawg at May 03, 2011 09:42 AM (osx1V)
Posted by: Brian at May 03, 2011 09:44 AM (qMymA)
Amy Goodwitch, Demockracy Now at May 03, 2011 12:44 PM (kr609)
Every time some non-muzzie farts the muzzies start listing their grievences. Who cares. Kill them. Shove a ham up there ass. Wrap them in pigskin. Then burn them. Let them know they will not go to heaven nor get their virgins.
Posted by: TomJW at May 03, 2011 09:45 AM (Li2G9)
Posted by: Marie at May 03, 2011 09:51 AM (H50jQ)
My religion supports capital punishment and war, so obviously these are dissociated from murder. A lot of people don't grasp this, and this use the terms interchangeably. It probably IS ignorance. That said, if it isn't...whatever. Nobody takes news anchors seriously.
BTW, born in 1966? She's freaking 44? She doesn't look a day older than 30. I swear, she kind of looks like my girlfriend, but Ms.Tay has less curves.
Posted by: Crazee at May 03, 2011 09:56 AM (xsoRi)
From what has been coming out, this looks like a joint operation--can't wait for the spin to start.
Posted by: irongrampa at May 03, 2011 10:01 AM (ud5dN)
Right now the look on your face should be the same look as a horny monkey waking up to discover a diaper padlocked over his junk.
It's like politicians trying to parody their own cowardice as some kind of pacifist ideology. "We can't fight back against our own genocide, someone could get hurt!"
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at May 03, 2011 10:05 AM (bxiXv)
215 As Colonel Saito said: "Do not speak to me of rules. This is war! This is not a game of cricket"
Posted by: nine coconuts at May 03, 2011 12:39 PM (uz3hs)
Madness. Madness! MADNESS!
Posted by: gilmour concepcion at May 03, 2011 10:08 AM (xqrGi)
Posted by: Ken at May 03, 2011 10:14 AM (65RBP)
Posted by: Ten at May 03, 2011 10:44 AM (7qeEe)
Or, maybe she's just got the brains of a squirrel but is nonetheless able to read other people's words convincingly, and suck the chrome off a trailer hitch.
Sounds like she's Presidential timber!
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I wonder what their motive was? Maybe they were all named in his will as beneficiaries. Maybe they wanted to take control of his lucrative vinyards. Maybe he was blackmailing them all with nudie pictures they'd had taken as young men.
They wanted bin Laden's oil. Duh, isn't that all us greedy and decadent Americans want anyway?
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at May 03, 2011 07:42 AM (9hSKh)