September 03, 2011
— Ace Promising she was ready to have a "adult conversation" about the specifics of what needed to be done to right America, Palin set a marker for herself:
"It requires deeds not words, it's not enough for politicians to throw around some vague generalities..."
And then went on to speak in... vague generalities. (Note: All quotes were taken directly as she spoke, and might not be completely word-for-word accurate.)
Her five point plan could have been taken from just about any candidates' Standard Stump Speech, and I include Jon Huntsman when I say "any candidate."
Here are some of the detailed, specific non-vague-generalities highlights:
So far it's a "bona fide workin' man's plan" which is all about "empowerment.""The way forward is no more politics as usual."
"All power not specifically delegated to the Federal government by the Constitution is reserved for the states, or we the people... so let's enforce the 10th amendment."
"We must repeal obamacare."
"Get the government out of the way, let the private sector breathe and expand..."
"No more runaway debt, we must priorize and cut. Cancel unused stimulus funds."
"The reality is we will have entitlement reform, either we do it ourselves or the world capital markets will."
Now, this advocacy for entitlement reform is semi-gutsy, but it is obviously not "detailed." And in fact most candidates talk of "reforming" entitlements. Few are very specific.
"We have the highest federal corporate tax rates in the world, do you know it's higher than China?"
Okay, I do not believe a single candidate does not advocate lowering the corporate tax rate. Including Huntsman.
She wants to cut it down to zero, which is at least a detail, and is at least not a gimme.
To pay for this, she wants to eliminate "loopholes and bailouts and corporate cronyism."
Remember, she's going to give you an "adult conversation," rich in detail, unlike other poltiicians, who speak in "vague generalities."
This speech was said to be two things, and hinted to a third.
First, it was supposed to be a "major announcement." If there was a major announcement here, I missed it entirely.
Second, it was supposed to be a "full-throated defense of the Tea Party." It wasn't. It was platitudes and bromides sprinkled with flattering the crowd.
What would a "full-throated (and "major") defense of the Tea Party" sound like? Well, for one, I'd think it should be persuasive to non-Tea Partiers. For another, I think it would be thoughtful, rather than off-the-cuff standard flatteries. For a third, I think it should be novel or new.
I could imagine a good speech about the Tea Party. I could imagine a speech going all the way back to the Town Halls during and after the Revolutionary War, when citizens were actually engaged in what their government and their country would be. I could imagine a speech detailing the patriotic conscientiousness of making sure that what was won by blood should not be lost by disregard.
And I could imagine such a speech noting that for decades, American citizens had largely abandoned this commitment to engagement with their own political fates, and a Media-Government Elite filled the vacuum, and over time, became less and less connected with the citizens they were supposedly serving.
And I could imagine a speech then noting that this Elite, having gotten cozy deciding the fate of the nation, reacts hysterically and angrily when citizens decide they want to take back their God-given right to decide the course of human events for themselves, viciously attacking Americans who had the audacity to say "We're taking our responsibilities as citizens seriously again, after too long leaving it them to you, those who craved power and assumed it and now cry like stuck animals when we attempt to take back what was always ours."
Maybe you don't think that's good. Maybe that strikes you as pedestrian and done to death.
But if you're going to claim a "full throated defense of the Tea Party," shouldn't there be something beyond the typical praise of the "workin' man" and the standard-issue statements that we're the ones who actually produce wealth?
That stuff is true. But it's unremarkable. Certainly it fails to live up to the advance billing.
Third, what was implied was that Palin would make an announcement about her candidacy. She hinted about this "See you on September 3rd!," a campaign-like commercial promised.
And she never said publicly, "Although I am giving a policy speech, I will not be making any kind of declaration on September 3rd." Such a statement was leaked by "sources close to the governor," but is there something "unconservative" about simply making one's plans known?
So that other people don't waste their time?
Instead, after the encouragement of interest, and the cultivation of speculation about what that "major announcement" might be, it was a very standard-issue and not-particularly-important or novel stump speech.
Some might find this sort of coyness and games-playing "brilliant" or the like. I don't.
Some may claim she "played a trick on the media." Yes, the media. And everyone else too.
David Letterman used to make a point of wasting "network time" on dumb stuff. The in-joke was "Can you believe we are doing a network broadcast and yet we're just showing videos of squirrels?"
I found that funny, for a time. Until I realized he wasn't just wasting the network's time with the squirrel videos; he was wasting my time, too. I stopped considering myself one of the people "inside the joke," laughing at NBC, and started considering myself one of the people being punked with time-wasting exercises.
It also occurred to me that as long as people like me were tuning in for the squirrel videos, the NBC corporate suits were happy. They didn't care if Letterman was wasting the audience's time. They sold commercial space either way.
So who was actually getting his chain yanked there? The media was getting paid, which is all they care about.
Palin got lots of attention for a speech that turned out to be extremely bullet-point and frankly trivial.
I don't consider this an achievement. I just consider it manipulative, and I don't just laugh it off as playing a prank on the stupid media.
A lot of people traveled a very long way and sat out in the rain for something that was suggested just might be The Big Announcement. A lot of people watched on TV.
And what they saw was a no-brainer stump speech.
Who's being pranked here? The media in attendance were all paid to be there. Their travel arrangements were comped. They'll get back their vacation day. And it was either covering this or covering Jon Huntsman.
What about everyone else?
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Posted by: EC at September 03, 2011 11:30 AM (f4TZ2)
Posted by: Muffolini at September 03, 2011 11:32 AM (SB0V2)
Posted by: Bill Mitchell at September 03, 2011 11:32 AM (uVlA4)
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States Has an Entire Afternoon to Kill at September 03, 2011 11:32 AM (KxADM)
Posted by: BumperStickerist at September 03, 2011 11:33 AM (h6mPj)
YMMV but I'm not a huge Palin fan for very superficial reasons.
Posted by: Bill Mitchell at September 03, 2011 11:34 AM (uVlA4)
Posted by: Beto Ochoa at September 03, 2011 11:35 AM (lpWVn)
Silly goose. The major announcement was "I'M STILL HERE!"
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 11:36 AM (hIWe1)
Posted by: CaveJohnson at September 03, 2011 11:36 AM (qZD43)
Posted by: Lauren at September 03, 2011 11:36 AM (OrWka)
Posted by: BruceTheRobert at September 03, 2011 11:36 AM (nGQQE)
Adios chica!
Posted by: +1 Ghost Touched Nail Clippers at September 03, 2011 11:36 AM (hm9+Q)
Posted by: Bill Jefferson Clinton at September 03, 2011 11:36 AM (KxADM)
I could imagine a speech detailing the patriotic conscientiousness of making sure that what was won by blood should not be lost by disregard
That was a good line ace,
Posted by: robtr at September 03, 2011 11:37 AM (MtwBb)
Posted by: Ace at August 13, 2011 05:09 PM (hKi42)
Posted by: buzzion at September 03, 2011 11:37 AM (GULKT)
People have often talked about eliminating double taxation by dropping or reducing capital gains, but this is so much more to the point. Corporations are moving to nightmarish work environments in order to avoid taxes. In many of them, the labor is neither skilled nor cheap and ONLY the tax breaks are making it happen. (Puerto Rico is an offhand example, where they don't pay federal taxes but the territory taxes and labor rules are ugly.) This would send jobs back to the US very quickly.
Moreover, capital gains taxes are paid when stock is sold, so it actually encourages stable long-term investment. Investors are less likely to move to another country than businesses are, as well, so putting the taxes on the investment side should require less opting out.
Also, there should be no need to change the capital gains tax, since stocks are valued at the net present value of the stream of income. Since all future years have necessarily higher profitability, there is more profit to be taxed when the stock is sold.
Seriously. This is huge. I do think Sarah Palin just made enemies of PriceWaterhouseCoopers, Deloitte & Touche, and the other Big Four accounting firms. The great thing about finance people, though, is the provide information, a thing that has an unlimited demand. When Excel came along, no one lost their jobs, they just produced more and better profitability analyses. Same thing with the accountants and lawyers this will affect. They can just do something else.
Posted by: Gadfly at September 03, 2011 11:37 AM (/4Vkv)
Posted by: huerfano at September 03, 2011 11:38 AM (kD+se)
Posted by: chad at September 03, 2011 11:38 AM (WNcvq)
christie and ryan hardest hit
Posted by: newrouter at September 03, 2011 11:38 AM (xD4bD)
What's with Doctor Who?
Every single episode has either the doctor, Amy, or Rory dying. Shit's getting old.
Posted by: soothie at September 03, 2011 11:38 AM (gGgsq)
By your standard, Mark Levin should run for president. Also Larry Kudlow. Also Ace.
Waitaminnit....
Posted by: MrScribbler at September 03, 2011 11:40 AM (YjjrR)
Posted by: jjshaka at September 03, 2011 11:41 AM (zVt5q)
Look in the mirror.
Keep in mind, it's not because she says, "I have a big announcement." It's because she doesn't say, "I don't have a big announcement."
Posted by: AmishDude at September 03, 2011 11:42 AM (73tyQ)
Yes, but is the speech divisible by 1?
Posted by: journolist at September 03, 2011 11:42 AM (Fb9Q0)
christie and ryan hardest hit
(1) Both have admitted as much and (2) neither man is running.
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 03, 2011 11:43 AM (o2lIv)
Posted by: journolist at September 03, 2011 11:43 AM (Fb9Q0)
Posted by: Rae4palin at September 03, 2011 11:43 AM (G4RRM)
Posted by: logprof at September 03, 2011 11:43 AM (lh7Yc)
Nothing new to see here. Enthusiastic crowd, and more autograph signing. The speech sounded like any other talking points platform. Where's the big announcement? Is anyone else as tired as I am with all this crap. Lets watch the debates on Sept.07 and go from there. Somehow the anecdotal "Let down" comes to mind with all of the hype over another autograph party. Perry 2012!
Posted by: Ron at September 03, 2011 11:43 AM (g+yPx)
How many times has this new doctor died?
He dies every episode. And they all cry. boo hoo hoo hoo.
And then he's alive again!
Posted by: soothie at September 03, 2011 11:44 AM (gGgsq)
Posted by: Serious Cat at September 03, 2011 11:44 AM (c+YDL)
Posted by: AmishDude at September 03, 2011 11:44 AM (73tyQ)
Posted by: Dan at September 03, 2011 11:45 AM (mXBxH)
Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 03, 2011 11:45 AM (5I0Yr)
Nope. It's not her style to coordinate with anybody.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at September 03, 2011 11:45 AM (KxADM)
Posted by: izoneguy at September 03, 2011 11:46 AM (i6Neb)
first you go off on the altas shrugs chick, now this. It's become quite obvious that you have a problem with big-jugged women.
Seek help, learn to embrace big-jugs.
fly
Posted by: flyonthewall at September 03, 2011 11:46 AM (vouNK)
Any else think Palin is coordinating closely with the Perry campaign?
Nope.
She's not a team player.
Posted by: garrett at September 03, 2011 11:46 AM (FjxkL)
Posted by: winning at September 03, 2011 11:48 AM (OAzB1)
Posted by: Dan at September 03, 2011 11:48 AM (mXBxH)
Posted by: Uncomfortable Person at September 03, 2011 11:49 AM (TRlpJ)
Posted by: Gadfly at September 03, 2011 11:49 AM (/4Vkv)
Posted by: Serious Cat at September 03, 2011 11:49 AM (c+YDL)
Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 03, 2011 03:45 PM
Or you could hang out at Tepid Air and read the testosterone-dripping comments of millions hundreds dozens a handful of diehard Palin-worshipers.
The one thing Palin will have going for her -- if she runs -- is the same thing every Republican would-be candidate (except for Huntsman, Paul and -- maybe -- Mutt Romney) is that they will be running against the stuutering clusterf*** of a miserable failure. In a sane world, that should guarantee the Repub challenger a landslide win.
In the real world, it gives 'em a helluva good chance.
It's what America needs to have happen.
Posted by: MrScribbler at September 03, 2011 11:49 AM (YjjrR)
Posted by: Kaptain Amerika at September 03, 2011 11:50 AM (5X15o)
No, we can't "relax". This upcoming election is too f*cking serious for potential candidates to be playing these "will I or won't I *wink, wink*" games.
If Palin had announced her candidacy or put to rest any suspicions that she will be running for the Presidency this time 'round while simultaneously putting support behind a candidate(s), this speech wouldn't have been, for the most part, a colossal waste of time.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at September 03, 2011 11:50 AM (c0A3e)
When the leftists talk about "empowerment" for the "working man"......they are usually advocating collective bargaining and the unionization of the work force.
Hearing her say this heightened my already existing suspicions of her being pro-union. .....Has anyone ever hear Palin say that "collective bargaining is not a right"?
I know that she has said some things about the NLRB and about union bosses, but I have yet to hear her elaborate on her position on how unions are one of the things that have driven jobs out of the country.
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 03, 2011 11:50 AM (EprMc)
Posted by: Jaynie59 at September 03, 2011 11:50 AM (4zKCA)
How many times has this new doctor died?
He dies every episode. And they all cry. boo hoo hoo hoo.
And then he's alive again!
Posted by: soothie at September 03, 2011 03:44 PM (gGgsq)
Here's the thing: I don't like the Doctor very much.
He's arrogant, self-righteous, preachy and thinks he's smarter than he really is.
As much as he seems to care, he doesn't, really.
He travels in the Police Box but he's even more than the universe's policeman, he's the universe's moral scold.
I'd argue that he's useful, but it seems that all the big bad enemies only want to get him, not the rest of us.
And, frankly, the stakes aren't that high anymore. He won't die. His companions might, but if they get too whiny that "my husband died" or "my mother died" he'll just dump them for another one. He's really just a sociopath who just happens to have enemies who are worse than he is.
Posted by: AmishDude at September 03, 2011 11:50 AM (73tyQ)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at September 03, 2011 11:51 AM (21lBC)
He dies every episode. And they all cry. boo hoo hoo hoo.
And then he's alive again!
I stopped watching because of the almost supernatural way in which they now present the Doctor. Why have Tennant's Doctor experience negative consequences from trying to play God, only to embrace more supernatural qualities in Smith's? It renders the lessons meaningless.
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 03, 2011 11:51 AM (o2lIv)
Oh, I see: if you don't like Sarah Palin or think her unqualified then you're a misogynist. Because shit, if you don't respect Palin then how could you respect ANY women?
Way to fall back on the bullshit victimization tropes of the feminist Left there, champ.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 11:52 AM (hIWe1)
Posted by: Palin2012 at September 03, 2011 11:54 AM (TyGi3)
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 11:54 AM (hIWe1)
O RLY? Were you there? How can you be so sure that they got exactly what they wanted? Have you spoken to all of them? (The mere fact that they applauded and cheered at the proper points in the speech isn't any sort of evidence -- what did you expect, for them to throw tomatoes?)
Seems more like YOU got what YOU fappingly wanted, and you're merely projecting that satisfaction onto the audience. Funny, that.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 11:55 AM (hIWe1)
Vote Weirdo!
Posted by: KngFish at September 03, 2011 11:56 AM (3ZJmF)
first you go off on the altas shrugs chick, now this. It's become quite obvious that you have a problem with big-jugged women.
Seek help, learn to embrace big-jugs.
fly
Posted by: flyonthewall at September 03, 2011 03:46 PM (vouNK)
--Pamela Gellar was on Ezra Levant's show yesterday. She looked hawt, but no boob shirt.
Posted by: logprof at September 03, 2011 11:56 AM (lh7Yc)
Posted by: Paul at September 03, 2011 11:56 AM (DsHk0)
Posted by: Serious Cat at September 03, 2011 11:56 AM (c+YDL)
So If Palin was black I suppose he'd be racist? You are no better than the Obama freaks.
Posted by: gride at September 03, 2011 11:57 AM (7Iqhu)
Posted by: Gadfly at September 03, 2011 03:37 PM (/4Vkv) ---------------- Too much Palin koolaid? Or are you really this unknowledgeable? Everything that Ms. Palin said.......has been said before, for years before, in business publications and on business channels, by fiscal conservatives.
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 03, 2011 11:57 AM (EprMc)
Posted by: chillin the most for Perry at September 03, 2011 11:57 AM (6IV8T)
Posted by: Ken Moore at September 03, 2011 11:57 AM (KmhkI)
This place is way funnier, Scribbles. But the "acceptable" anti-Palin vibe is grating. I feel sometimes like I've accidentally hit abc.com blogs. The speech wasn't necessarily vague, but it was dead. The atmosphere was dead. Oh well.
She never promised any announcement... in fact, I believe she said an "announcement" will be forthcoming by September's end. But that might just be something I read.
Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 03, 2011 11:58 AM (5I0Yr)
Way to fall back on the bullshit victimization tropes of the feminist Left there, champ.
Yeah. I started to type a response to that comment and then decided to stew in my indignation for a while longer.
Posted by: As If! at September 03, 2011 11:59 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: Ken Moore at September 03, 2011 11:59 AM (KmhkI)
Posted by: flyonthewall at September 03, 2011 11:59 AM (vouNK)
Ace is spot on. That is all.
P.S.: She still can't win. I denounce myself.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at September 03, 2011 12:00 PM (7utQ2)
I'll gladly vote Palin, I know what I'm getting. I'm interested in Perry, I'll be watching carefully, I'll close my eyes, hold my nose and cry but I'll vote for Mittens.
A B O.
There aint alot of "sitting home" this election cycle.
Posted by: I <3 teh haters at September 03, 2011 12:01 PM (dh5Eu)
Posted by: Gbock at September 03, 2011 12:01 PM (fnPLP)
"working man's plan" - FDR
"no more politics as ususal" - Obama
"repeal Obamacare" - standard GOP talking point
"10th Amendment" - right out of Rick Perry's book
"let private sector breath" - again, right out of Rick Perry's book
"no more runaway debt" - how does this differ from any other GOP candidate? It doesn't
"entitlement reform" - like what? No specifics.
Color me unimpressed. Just another day of Palin yanking everyone's chain and taking talking points that have been given by every damn one of the GOP candidates. So much for the "big" announcement.
Move on, Sarah, you are rapidly becoming sooooo 2008.
Posted by: zane at September 03, 2011 12:01 PM (sQnt4)
Posted by: Walter Freeman at September 03, 2011 12:01 PM (UsjBj)
But not by every (R) candidate running for president in the last two decades. In fact, our last nominee didn't even want to drill in ANWR...
Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 03, 2011 12:02 PM (5I0Yr)
Posted by: Palindrone at September 03, 2011 12:03 PM (+OHfV)
My sister saw people with "Impeach Obama" signs protesting outside the post office yesterday. While this part of suburban Houston is largely conservative, protests like that don't happen every day.
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 03, 2011 12:03 PM (o2lIv)
How come Perry doesnt do townhalls and open forums? All he does is fundraisers and house parties.
Is it because he is too dumb to answer questions on his feet? I think so.
Posted by: winning at September 03, 2011 12:03 PM (OAzB1)
They were there to see a celebrity. She could've done nothing but read her grocery list or sang In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida by Iron Butterfly and they'd still have mostly gotten what they wanted.
Some may have been hoping for some hint that she was going to run, but nobody shows up to a Palin speech expecting a detailed, compelling, intellectual speech. She ain't exactly Bill Buckley.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 03, 2011 12:03 PM (Jl4kG)
#49:
The only one to mention attack so far is you. Now, it is you who have turned this into a Perry thread. Good grief! And to think, I thought the grownups would be in today. Silly me.
Posted by: Ron at September 03, 2011 12:03 PM (g+yPx)
Posted by: Danield at September 03, 2011 12:03 PM (VF2id)
You mean other than about half the financial writers out there. Megan McCardle did a big piece in the Atlantic last year. The Financial Times has advocated it repeatedly. Gary Johnson wrote a paper advocating for corporate tax elimination. I lnow I have heard it advocated by candidates on talk radio. It's nothing new to Sarah Palin.
Posted by: chad at September 03, 2011 12:03 PM (WNcvq)
Repeal the Government Health Care Takeover Act
Cancel unused stimulus funds
Eliminate corporate taxes
That's more specific than I'm hearing from most of the other candidates including Perry. I don't want Palin to run but this was pretty much a hack post trying to deny she had anything to offer.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 03, 2011 12:04 PM (r4wIV)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at September 03, 2011 12:04 PM (21lBC)
I admit that I'd love for Palin to win because Palin winning is the only way to make liberals feel how horribly we'd all feel if Obama won a second term.
We could run a dead pool.
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 03, 2011 12:04 PM (GKQDR)
Is it because he is too dumb to answer questions on his feet? I think so.
Wednesday night. Be there, aloha.
And you obviously have not been paying attention, sparky.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at September 03, 2011 12:04 PM (7utQ2)
I don't know how it helps to have Sarah Palin™ running around pissing into the tent of declared candidates every chance she gets, and in so doing writing Barack Obama's general-election campaign ads for him. Whichever of the Big Three primary candidates one supports, Sarah™ has been there to lob passive-aggressive bombs at him/her while refusing to declare her own intentions either way.
This only divides and embitters conservatives, and Sarah™ knows this, but she also knows that she personally profits from being the Ultimate Conservative Rogue. So the only thing to conclude is that for her, the "Country First" crap went out the window a long time ago.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at September 03, 2011 12:04 PM (KxADM)
You would be too if you'd been fapping it off for 24 straight hours in anticipation of release, only to get blue-balled like she just did to her fans. Lotta redness and chafing right now...
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 12:05 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: Gadfly at September 03, 2011 03:37 PM (/4Vkv) ---------------- Too much Palin koolaid? Or are you really this unknowledgeable? Everything that Ms. Palin said.......has been said before, for years before, in business publications and on business channels, by fiscal conservatives.
ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 03, 2011 03:57 PM (EprMc)
What candidate has said this? When Forbes advocated a flat tax, it was revolutionary, and became his signature platform. It doesn't mean no business publications had ever discussed it, but it was a very bold move at the time. Now, other candidates advocate the same plan, and I still consider it pretty bold.
Posted by: Gadfly at September 03, 2011 12:05 PM (/4Vkv)
Lyndon Larouchies like to hang around outside post offices and preach to people about the evils of the Fed.
Coulda been them.
Posted by: soothie at September 03, 2011 12:05 PM (gGgsq)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at September 03, 2011 04:04 PM (21lBC)
Good luck convincing Jeff B. and Hollowpoint that they are a big part of the problem.
Posted by: buzzion at September 03, 2011 12:05 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: JEA at September 03, 2011 12:06 PM (xMjLg)
Yeah, except for every single thread devoted to any other potential Presidential candidate on this blog over the last two and a half years.
Except for that.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 12:06 PM (hIWe1)
After reading that page, my conclusion is that Ace read the Daily Caller page, too.
Politicians are so focused on the symptoms and not the disease Â… so this is why we must remember that the challenge is not simply to replace Obama in 2012, but the challenge is who or what we will replace him with.The real stimulus we have been waiting for is robust and responsible energy production. We have the resources. Affordable, secure energy is the key to any thriving economy Â… drill here, drill now Â… stop kowtowing to foreign countries and dictators.
That is NOT specific.
Posted by: jwb7605 at September 03, 2011 12:06 PM (Qxe/p)
Posted by: CaveJohnson at September 03, 2011 12:06 PM (qZD43)
Posted by: J at September 03, 2011 12:06 PM (LlC1G)
She's seems like a good person trying to do the right thing, and yes, feed her family too.
Posted by: flyonthewall at September 03, 2011 12:07 PM (GzhjM)
Posted by: Walter Freeman at September 03, 2011 12:08 PM (UsjBj)
It would be extremely difficult to find true love or be successful in your career endeavors if you're dead because Iran gave nuclear weapons to a terrorist group who then used them on major cities. Also, not having money because you can't find a job due to excessive taxation/excessive regulation also hinders those types of things.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at September 03, 2011 12:08 PM (c0A3e)
Posted by: izoneguy at September 03, 2011 12:08 PM (i6Neb)
It's also in the Roadmap and some other RSC members have been discussing it for several years.
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 03, 2011 12:09 PM (o2lIv)
Posted by: ed t at September 03, 2011 12:09 PM (JPvj2)
She also introduced a unique US tax policy that stimulates the private sector and not the government. In doing so, she:
(1) Eliminates DC's ability to pick winners and losers through tax code,
(2) Eliminates DC's ability to pick winners and losers through stimulus spending
Palin separated herself from the beginning by pointing out that her potential GOP opponents will be utilizing "bag men" to fund their campaigns at a price, which is influence. In fact, she will dependent on contributions from individuals at the grass root level.
If you check her background, this is how she successfully took on the Big Oil sleaze in Alaska.
Posted by: Mr. Potato Head at September 03, 2011 12:09 PM (Q63S1)
Yeah, except for every single thread devoted to any other potential Presidential candidate on this blog over the last two and a half years.
Except for that.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 04:06 PM (hIWe1)
Usually caused because the moment someone mentions her you can't shut your trap. You know what used to happen when someone in a thread about another candidate mentioned Palin, it got maybe one or two comments and then was out of memory. But when a commenter follows your example of "dealing" with it, the thread is derailed.
Posted by: buzzion at September 03, 2011 12:09 PM (GULKT)
So Palin is so vague how is it I know more about her positions than say Romney or Perry. Not only that most Palin supporters have far more confidence and trust in her than the RINOs have in their candidates.
Just another LGF piece. When in doubt count on Ace to pull one of these pieces out of his ass.
Posted by: Molon Labe at September 03, 2011 12:10 PM (e36+G)
Posted by: Chris R, NY-9 resident at September 03, 2011 12:10 PM (hGTfi)
Thanks, this is known as "politics".
She is not running. Sorry to disappoint the feverish.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at September 03, 2011 12:11 PM (7utQ2)
Palin is NOT a fraud as a conservative. She is a good person and a good conservative who is irritating the piss out of people, including may of those who like her.
Peddle your B.S. elsewhere.
Posted by: As If! at September 03, 2011 12:11 PM (piMMO)
Coulda been them.
Not this time. It was some people from one of the local Tea Party groups.
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 03, 2011 12:12 PM (o2lIv)
Now excuse me while I put on my wide-brimmed hat and cotton sun dress. I need to go do the grocery shopping and then clean the house in my high heels.
Posted by: Miss Marple who has decided to become a Stepford wife at September 03, 2011 12:12 PM (Fo83G)
Posted by: Gadfly at September 03, 2011 04:05 PM (/4Vkv)
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But you didn't say that in your previous comment. You said " No one has said this, and it's huge."........As though it is an original thought that only Palin has come up with.
I think that Gingrich, Santorum and Perry have all said something similar....That eliminating the corp income tax would be optimum, but if not, then we must reduce it drastically to be competitve with other countries.
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 03, 2011 12:12 PM (EprMc)
Posted by: ZBBMcFate at September 03, 2011 12:12 PM (JNC/g)
Posted by: Generic Republican at September 03, 2011 12:13 PM (jqV1j)
Posted by: Mr. Potato Head at September 03, 2011 04:09 PM (Q63S1)
Are conservatives against oil companies now? I missed that when did that start?
Posted by: robtr at September 03, 2011 12:13 PM (MtwBb)
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 12:13 PM (nRTou)
"A source close to SarahPAC told ABC News that her team is upset about how the Tea Party of America seemed to hype the event based on the chance Palin would announce her 2012 intentions at the rally."
Palin (by being Palin) draws attention so affiliates close and distant play up anything Palin to draw audience and money. It's not necessarily that Palin is making things a circus: it's the peripheral actors who do. It's they who set all these expectations and try to lay a foundation that Palin herself hasn't set.
Here's an idea: let's treat her like an advocate of the Tea Party and smaller government ideals until she announces she's running for office. It's not her fault her fans want her to run just like it isn't Chris Christie's fault for wanting him to run. It's also not their faults when outsiders agitate on their behalves but without authority. So quit obsessing over their itineraries.
When she/they run, she/they run. End of story. Cover the new story when she runs. Otherwise, just treat her as an energizer for the Right.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 03, 2011 12:13 PM (r4t7/)
So Palin is so vague how is it I know more about her positions than say Romney or Perry.
She likes it when you club the halibut in the pile-driver.
Posted by: Todd Palin at September 03, 2011 12:13 PM (FjxkL)
Conflate much?
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at September 03, 2011 12:13 PM (7utQ2)
Something about a preference cascade I read about?
Posted by: flashbazzbo, s.e. at September 03, 2011 12:13 PM (i0rVe)
I'm staying away from the perry lovefest posts until the primary ends. Dingleperrys are damn sensitive. A stupid chillbilly can not beat Rick "the son of God" Perry. You guys are hurting your candidate. C'ya when the primary ends.
Posted by: F*cking Magnets.. How do they work? at September 03, 2011 12:14 PM (Q8/ch)
How about a crony capitalist who Democrat when it was cool, who became a compassionate conservetive when it was cool, who became 10ther when it was cool, who is now backtracking on his entier past.
Posted by: winning at September 03, 2011 12:14 PM (OAzB1)
Go back to sucking your incompetent messiah's cock, shit-for-brains.
Posted by: Predator at September 03, 2011 12:14 PM (nlFT+)
Posted by: Chris R, NY-9 resident at September 03, 2011 04:10 PM (hGTfi)
Hey, don't knock an Old Fashioned.
Posted by: Randy Marsh at September 03, 2011 12:14 PM (nxptv)
Posted by: Gadfly at September 03, 2011 03:37 PM (/4Vkv)
running for president isnt about making enemies. especially of companies that employ workers. why do you palinistas want her to alienate people/politicians/companies?? shouldnt she be trying to convince them of her positions instead?
Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 12:14 PM (xAq1C)
Posted by: SFGoth at September 03, 2011 12:15 PM (lRjUK)
the early Bucs?
You mean the team that never had a winning record* until Tony Dungy arrived?
*just guessin
Posted by: soothie at September 03, 2011 12:15 PM (gGgsq)
I like Palin, but I would like to see Barry Soetero lose even more next november 2012. So, I won't be voting for Palin should she run, and I hope she does not, my money and vote is going to Perry.
Palin has and will continue to do tremoendous amount for the conservative movement, made me realise heck yea, I'm more conservative than I thought, but I want that Marxist evicted next november, and who I can see as the best nominee to beat him gets my vote, Palin does not fit that bill, Perry does. Palin has way too much baggage the LSM has lambasted her with and more time needs to be spent attacking Barry next year than defending the GOP nominee.
Posted by: johnc_recent_EXdem at September 03, 2011 12:15 PM (ACkhT)
Posted by: winning at September 03, 2011 04:14 PM (OAzB1)
surely you dont mean the same guy your messiah campaigned for less then a year ago??
Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 12:15 PM (xAq1C)
You stupid cunt, you're talking to a liberal troll. But it figures that you'd collude with him to bash Perry (or anyone else) in order to promote Palin. Any weapon at hand, amirite?
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 12:16 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: Tsar Nic's girlfriend at September 03, 2011 12:16 PM (iRlbA)
Posted by: princetrumpet at September 03, 2011 12:16 PM (Eaajn)
the early Bucs?
You mean the team that never had a winning record* until Tony Dungy arrived?
*just guessin
Posted by: soothie
They went to the NFC Championship in 1979. Very good D; no O. QB was Doug Williams.
Posted by: SFGoth at September 03, 2011 12:16 PM (lRjUK)
Posted by: Serious Cat at September 03, 2011 12:17 PM (H479e)
Posted by: TheTotalConservative at September 03, 2011 12:17 PM (Uv2pf)
Posted by: curious epub at September 03, 2011 12:18 PM (5I0Yr)
No, you don't get it. "Winning" is a Palinista here from C4P (who linked us, I suspect). "JEA," the guy he was responding to, though, is an Obama-bot. And yet the 'Nistas are so blood-crazed in their weird sexualized support for Palin that it's 'any weapon to hand' for them, and they'll join with lefty trolls to tear down whoever seems to pose the biggest threat to her at any given time.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 12:18 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: CaveJohnson at September 03, 2011 04:06 PM (qZD43)
So is she supposed to say, "Oh about that event that those nice people invited me to? Not such a big deal. Don't pay attention to it."
Posted by: AmishDude at September 03, 2011 12:18 PM (73tyQ)
Posted by: Nunya Bizness. TEA Party Terrorist at September 03, 2011 12:18 PM (YhGYO)
Posted by: Tsar Nic's girlfriend at September 03, 2011 12:18 PM (iRlbA)
I'm not going to go that far. There are a lot of turds in the GOP punchbowl. The thing is I want Sarah Palin to run and be a successful candidate. Maybe she doesn't win the nomination and ends up as the VP pick again I could live with that. The reason I am frustrated with her to the point of verging on dislike is that she isn't making an effort and just as bad she won't make a decision.
Posted by: chad at September 03, 2011 12:18 PM (WNcvq)
Posted by: Oschisms at September 03, 2011 12:19 PM (GqM5k)
Posted by: Lauren at September 03, 2011 12:19 PM (VKD8C)
Posted by: zane at September 03, 2011 12:19 PM (sQnt4)
Ex. Act. Ly.
It has long been my contention that if Ronald Reagan appeared on the scene today, Palinistas and their ilk would brand him the ultimate RINO and cry for him to be kicked out of the party.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at September 03, 2011 12:20 PM (KxADM)
Posted by: Ms Choksondik at September 03, 2011 12:20 PM (nxptv)
Posted by: lions at September 03, 2011 12:20 PM (e9Fxu)
Posted by: Tsar Nic's girlfriend at September 03, 2011 12:21 PM (iRlbA)
This isn't an inclusion council. Nor is it the high-school debate team.
Respect is earned.
Posted by: As If! at September 03, 2011 12:21 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: johnc_recent_EXdem at September 03, 2011 12:21 PM (ACkhT)
Posted by: TheTotalConservative at September 03, 2011 04:17 PM (Uv2pf)
Look I like Palin, I've defended her here against Jeff B. and ace on many threads. Perry isn't her problem, it's the American People. If she is going to run she needs to be making her case to them because the majority of them have a very low opinion of her.
This isn't some kind of game, we need a new president. She isn't acting as if she wants the job.
Posted by: robtr at September 03, 2011 12:21 PM (MtwBb)
Posted by: Tsar Nic's girlfriend at September 03, 2011 12:22 PM (iRlbA)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 03, 2011 12:22 PM (eOXTH)
Sure you can ask,
. Serious Cat, please forgive me for being too snide. I'm just frustrated because I feel SP is wasting our time..
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at September 03, 2011 12:23 PM (c0A3e)
The speech was one of Palin's best and her best speeches are yet to come. Ace and the Perry-krishna betamales are just mad because she called their man out. Perry is a crony capitalist that would be locked for in a bunch of states for his pay to play. Palin was a brilliant and a better speaker than Perry and just about every other politician.
Posted by: TheTotalConservative at September 03, 2011 12:23 PM (Uv2pf)
#165, Perry was a Democrat for less time than Reagan was. And during those early days, he was known as one of the Pit Bulls, Democrats who sat in the pit of the House and destroyed every aggressives spending bill the Texas Dems tried to pass.
Perry wasn't the only one to leave the Dem Party when Al Gore lost to Dukakis and turned the party hard left. At least not in Texas. Hell, Jake Pickle was a dedicated Democrat but was as conservative as they came.
Posted by: zane at September 03, 2011 12:23 PM (sQnt4)
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 04:16 PM (hIWe1)
pot -kettle
Posted by: willow at September 03, 2011 12:23 PM (h+qn8)
Palinistas in particular would hate him with a white-hot passion far exceeding that of any other potential GOP candidate, precisely because his charisma and charm would pose the greatest threat to Saint Sarah.
That's really a large part of why I hate the 'Nistas so much -- their attacks on other candidates have far, far less to do with any actual policy issues than they do with mindlessly zombie-rushing whichever candidate they think threatens their girl the most at any given time. If I weren't convinced it was a gut-level emotional reflex with these people I would deem it deviously cynical.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 12:24 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: Tsar Nic's girlfriend at September 03, 2011 12:24 PM (iRlbA)
Posted by: johnc_recent_EXdem at September 03, 2011 04:21 PM (ACkhT)
yeah that's what I'm hoping for, she distracts the left at this point, as only She can.
Posted by: willow at September 03, 2011 12:24 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: newrouter at September 03, 2011 04:19 PM (xD4bD)
I'd make another Lisa Ann reference but I nailed that to death in the last thread.
Posted by: CAC at September 03, 2011 12:24 PM (JIB66)
wow I don't remember Doug Williams being with the Bucs
Posted by: soothie
How old were you in 1979? I was a 12 yo football junkie. I used to play those early electronic hand-held football games and I would actually draw up a complete league wide schedule (28 teams back then). I never played all 16x28 games, but I tried.
Posted by: SFGoth at September 03, 2011 12:25 PM (lRjUK)
In what possible way? I would never play tag-team with a liberal troll to beat up on some GOP candidate I disliked. I would tell them to get fucking lost and continue to make the case in my own terms.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 12:25 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: Rick Perry, bitches! at September 03, 2011 12:25 PM (UOM48)
It has long been my contention that if Ronald Reagan appeared on the scene today, Palinistas and their ilk would brand him the ultimate RINO and cry for him to be kicked out of the party.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at September 03, 2011 04:20 PM (KxADM)
Making you a dumbass.
Posted by: buzzion at September 03, 2011 12:25 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 03, 2011 12:26 PM (eOXTH)
Posted by: willow at September 03, 2011 12:26 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 03, 2011 12:27 PM (eOXTH)
Posted by: TheTotalConservative at September 03, 2011 04:23 PM (Uv2pf)
IF she did in fact call out perry then she just shot a big hole in her integrity and credibility. she campaigned for him less than a year ago. why campaign for someone who you think is a corrupt pol??
Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 12:28 PM (xAq1C)
#184, yeah, I've heard Perry give a 40 minute speech. I was at a dinner where he was scheduled to speak. Here's how it went: Perry walked to the podium, notes in hand. Laid his speech on the podium, grabbed the mic and got down on floor level. For 45 minutes, sans notes, he railed on the Obama's administrations terrible handling of Hurricane Ike and the total devestation of Galveston Island. He rattled off facts and figures like an economics professor, and laid out how Obama was going to take our nation hard left with his policies, all in clear, concise specifics. He was right then as Obama has done exactly what Perry said he would do.
If you haven't seen Perry when he is pumped up and has the crowd on their feet, you have missed a lot.
Posted by: zane at September 03, 2011 12:28 PM (sQnt4)
Not really -- it just means you weren't really reading very carefully. I'd never seen the poster before myself, it was just obvious from the way he wrote that he was a lefty shill.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 12:28 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: ghost of great Palin threads past at September 03, 2011 12:29 PM (McS0m)
Remember COLECOVISION?
Posted by: soothiewing plover
Yep. Had that and Intellivision. Intellivision had some great sports games.
Posted by: SFGoth at September 03, 2011 12:29 PM (lRjUK)
Posted by: Oily Taints at September 03, 2011 12:29 PM (TUax9)
There is nothing funnier than the responses when you say some mean about poor, poor, Rick Pewwy, awww, poor, poo Rick Pewwy.
Posted by: winning at September 03, 2011 12:29 PM (OAzB1)
Posted by: zane at September 03, 2011 04:28 PM (sQnt4)
proof of what a dummy he is. he's not even smart enough to know how to use notes much less a teleprompter!!
Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 12:29 PM (xAq1C)
Reading the comments at HotAir right now.
Delusional doesn't begin to describe it.
Their heads sure went splody though when their latest primary poll had Perry beating their patron saint.
Posted by: CAC at September 03, 2011 12:29 PM (JIB66)
Posted by: Jehu at September 03, 2011 12:30 PM (4vTGQ)
Posted by: De' Debil Hisself at September 03, 2011 12:30 PM (lpWVn)
Posted by: Tsar Nic's girlfriend at September 03, 2011 12:30 PM (iRlbA)
I don't think she does want it right now, "now" being the operative word. She has been a fine kingmaker and helped move the electorate Right. Granted, SCoaMF has done that by himself, too, but Palin did get everyone's attention early and threw the first jawbreakers at President Glassjaw while so many others who actually had defined powers were sulking in the corners.
I think she'll keep doing that and remain an anchor for the Tea Party to antagonize the Left and to keep the GOP on a straighter path.
And I think that would be her greatest contribution to the grassroots until she runs for office. She's still very young and has oodles of time.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 03, 2011 12:30 PM (r4t7/)
There's some zany Palin supporters out there (I'd go out on a limb and say there's a few more zany haters), but you're absolutely full of sh*t.
When somebody asked why Sergeant Perry wasn't doing mainstream media interviews, the answer came from several of them that the media is "scared of him". That's some serious douchery right there. Sorry. Every candidate has them. Deal with it.
Posted by: The Mega Indepedent at September 03, 2011 12:31 PM (5I0Yr)
Posted by: zane at September 03, 2011 12:31 PM (sQnt4)
Posted by: winning at September 03, 2011 12:32 PM (OAzB1)
Aaaaaaaaannnnnnnd we finish it off by taking a giant shit on everyone actually running for the Republican nomination
/Palinista
Posted by: Oily Taints at September 03, 2011 12:32 PM (TUax9)
>>>Reading the comments at HotAir right now.
>>>Delusional doesn't begin to describe it.
>>>Their heads sure went splody though when their latest primary poll had Perry beating their patron saint.
The comments at HotAir very nearly convince me that Oliver Wendell Holmes was right in Buck v. Bell after all.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 12:33 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 04:28 PM (xAq1C)
Blasphemy. How dare you bring up Sarah Palin's previous endorsements and decisions, she plays eight-dimensional chess with Michio Kaku and that crazy overtanned guy with bad hair on Ancient Aliens.
Posted by: CAC at September 03, 2011 12:33 PM (JIB66)
What horseshit.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 03, 2011 12:33 PM (r4t7/)
btw someone here said 0 of our loved ones killed last month in Afghanistan last month is that true?
if so a cause for celebration!
Posted by: willow at September 03, 2011 12:33 PM (h+qn8)
Ace? Get bored with policy-wonkery and details?
You're kidding, right?
Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 03, 2011 12:34 PM (Jl4kG)
Posted by: ed t at September 03, 2011 04:09 PM (JPvj2)
New invention: paragraphs. Give it a shot.Posted by: Random at September 03, 2011 12:34 PM (YiE0S)
Posted by: SFGoth at September 03, 2011 12:34 PM (lRjUK)
Posted by: buzzion at September 03, 2011 12:35 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: winning at September 03, 2011 04:32 PM (OAzB1)
Diagram this sentence, Ace.
I dare you.
Posted by: CAC at September 03, 2011 12:35 PM (JIB66)
Posted by: Jehu at September 03, 2011 12:35 PM (4vTGQ)
Posted by: Tsar Nic's girlfriend at September 03, 2011 12:35 PM (iRlbA)
Posted by: winning at September 03, 2011 04:32 PM (OAzB1)
That is utter BS, even the left wing media marvels at the fact that Perry always takes questions and that he is always accessable.
Posted by: robtr at September 03, 2011 12:35 PM (MtwBb)
Look, September/October, 2008 was a game changer for our nation. It is rapidly going to hell with another recession on the horizon. Palin can talk the talk, but has she been walking the walk, actually doing anything that helps us during these tough economic times besides hiring a bus driver?
And she wants to talk about "cronyism?" Give me a freaking break. Her running mate in Alaska was a freaking lobbyist, for God's sake.
Posted by: zane at September 03, 2011 12:36 PM (sQnt4)
Posted by: mike at September 03, 2011 12:36 PM (CvkWF)
Posted by: zane at September 03, 2011 12:37 PM (sQnt4)
Yes I am not supporting Palin at this point. If she wanted to be serious, she should have been "in" by now, and if she wanted to be serious she had better be offering a lot more than the other candidates in way of a plan, to make up for her detractors.
But I agree with her on corporate taxes. If I had my way, I would cut it to zero and place all those high payed non-producing tax departments, and, high payed non producing tax collectors on a life mission that has a new productive career. To "pay" for it, I would tax all transfers of money to foreign persons or institutions, and accounts. Which wouldn't require near as much bureaucracy on either side.
Since that is our biggest export, our money.
Step 1, reward profit. Make it easier to make big profits. Make profit reinvestment tax free. Making business growth tax free.
Step 2, discourage transferring US wealth to other nations except where highly beneficial and efficient.
Step 3, tax code doesn't favor big GE over little mom and pop.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at September 03, 2011 12:38 PM (GE1+K)
Also, Discovery is airing a show about the building at the WTC site. So far, they are focusing on the iron workers. Iron balls, indeed.
Posted by: As If! at September 03, 2011 12:38 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: LauderdaleVet at September 03, 2011 12:38 PM (mnrxG)
I rarely if ever use that word. Honestly, didn't know it was off-limits here. If it is, I won't use it again. Hell, even if it's not, I still won't use it.
Seriously though, "winning" is a real twat scar.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 12:38 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: SFGoth at September 03, 2011 04:34 PM (lRjUK)
He is awesome.
Wish he was doing the new Cosmos and not Neil deGrasse Tyson who just seems a bit too enthusiastic about worm holes.
Posted by: CAC at September 03, 2011 12:39 PM (JIB66)
Bottom line: Ace has a bug up his ass about Sarah Palin and nothing she says or does is going to be good enough for him. This place is turning into another Hot Air.
Posted by: Crusty at September 03, 2011 12:39 PM (e/u95)
Posted by: As If! at September 03, 2011 12:39 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: 29Victor at September 03, 2011 12:40 PM (ES9R7)
Posted by: winning at September 03, 2011 04:32 PM (OAzB1)
but when its sarah its all part of The Plan in which she is twisting the media's tail and leading them by the nose.
Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 12:40 PM (xAq1C)
What a bunch of EeyoreNistas.
If she is that bad, then she will fail if she runs.
So much whining over Palin.
Posted by: Concerned Concerner at September 03, 2011 12:40 PM (AeoUE)
Hot Air's Palin worshiping brigade definitely went down a notch when that loon, Gary1234, stopped posting there. I spent about a week wondering if he was a serious Palinista or a Moby.
Posted by: Oily Taints at September 03, 2011 12:40 PM (TUax9)
Posted by: Tsar Nic's girlfriend at September 03, 2011 12:40 PM (iRlbA)
Huh. Amazing that I've been here for nearly 9 years and I didn't know that. Well I won't be using it again. I really dislike it myself...and yet every now and then, in the presence of true zombie stupidity, it comes forth unbidden. Apologies.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 12:41 PM (hIWe1)
It's no worse than calling someone an asshole. In fact, it's significantly better tasting (I imagine).
Posted by: Random at September 03, 2011 12:41 PM (YiE0S)
Posted by: zane at September 03, 2011 12:41 PM (sQnt4)
So is she supposed to say, "Oh about that event that those nice people invited me to? Not such a big deal. Don't pay attention to it."
Posted by: AmishDude at September 03, 2011 04:18 PM (73tyQ)
I really don't know. I guess it is nice she kept it a big deal for them, but for a fan of hers the allowing the teasing that she might make a big news announcement is kinda annoying. If she had put it to bed right off that it wasn't happening today instead of being sly, I think a lot of the criticisms might not be so harsh. I don't know if CSPAN would have covered it if she just said 'i'm going to say nice things but no word yet on my decision' so that might have been best for the event, but perhaps not her. People can only take so much teasing until they jump boat and support someone else. And to be honest that includes me from a while ago and i've put most of my eggs in the support Perry basket.
Posted by: CaveJohnson at September 03, 2011 12:41 PM (qZD43)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at September 03, 2011 12:42 PM (GE1+K)
the C-word is one that could make Ace a little testy.
you can't blame small testicles on a word.
Posted by: garrett at September 03, 2011 12:42 PM (CUJV/)
>>>Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 04:40 PM (hKi42)
----
ALERT THE MEDIA. Palinista troll "(hKi42)" in Ace repeat-sockpuppeting shocker!
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 12:42 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 04:40 PM (hKi42)
Socking Ace has resulted in banning. You might want to rethink that one.
Posted by: As If! at September 03, 2011 12:42 PM (piMMO)
You've done a bunch of selective reading then. He's mentioned it several times this year and at least once last month.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at September 03, 2011 12:43 PM (GE1+K)
They did..
...you know, the voices in Hollowpoint's head
Posted by: beedubya at September 03, 2011 12:43 PM (AnTyA)
you can't blame small testicles on a word.
Posted by: garrett at September 03, 2011 04:42 PM (CUJV/)
I agree with Ace about Palin. But the c-word is no worse than being called an asshole. It's just a stupid artifact of our culture that we look at being called that as worse.On the contrary --- "it" is a magnificent thing!
Armpits? Not so much.
Posted by: Random at September 03, 2011 12:44 PM (YiE0S)
Hell, I use the word. I just don't use it here. I didn't realize you'd been here that long. I thought I was one of the longest running morons.
Posted by: As If! at September 03, 2011 12:45 PM (piMMO)
Huh. Amazing that I've been here for nearly 9 years and I didn't know that. Well I won't be using it again. I really dislike it myself...and yet every now and then, in the presence of true zombie stupidity, it comes forth unbidden. Apologies.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 04:41 PM (hIWe1)
--Yeah, when it first came up I had a post of mine (well, sockpuppeting Al Swearingen) bowdlerized.
That's why I refer to the execrable C*ntessa Brewer with self-censoring.
Posted by: logprof at September 03, 2011 12:45 PM (lh7Yc)
Well I don't always read all the comments.
And I do drink a lot of Val-U-Rite, so there's the blackouts to contend with as well. I seem to vaguely remember supporting McCain in 2008, but I was ruinously drunk at the time so I consider myself off the hook.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 12:45 PM (hIWe1)
Jeffy B. gets a pass because he's special..
...in the riding the short-bus sense of the word
Posted by: beedubya at September 03, 2011 12:46 PM (AnTyA)
I have gone from liking her to defending her because I hate her detractors to now hating her MORE than her detractors. She spouts run-of-the-mill, boilerplate rhetoric that are basically assumed requirements of someone who calls themselves a Conservative.
Take away the looks and the charisma and there ain't much left. And yes I do discount those, the current occupant of the White House had those too. Palin is a symptom of the fact Republicans and Conservatives are craving strong, direct political leaders like Reagan. She is a poor substitute and we are all fools for spending so much time and effort talking about or defending her.
She is a holdover from the last failed "American Idol" style election and needs to be left behind.
Posted by: Ken Royall at September 03, 2011 12:46 PM (9zzk+)
Posted by: Raquel at September 03, 2011 12:48 PM (1wgaP)
Posted by: Arbalest at September 03, 2011 12:48 PM (VkGfe)
Ace frowns on that term but don't be caught mentioning Long Bows!
Posted by: De' Debil Hisself at September 03, 2011 12:49 PM (lpWVn)
Posted by: izoneguy at September 03, 2011 12:49 PM (i6Neb)
Making you a dumbass.
Posted by: buzzion at September 03, 2011 04:25 PM (GULKT)
Aaaahh shit, now I've done it. I've been pulled over by Buzzion, Forum Cop! Guardian of AoSHQ, always on hand with the whos, whats, and wheres of every AoSHQ dust-up. Watch your fuckin' mouths, people, or you're going in The File.
I shwear, offishur, it was jush ONE LITTLE TINY OPINION! I didn't mean anythin' by it, honesh. ::hic:: Pleash don't let the Reagan comment go on my record.... damn it all.... how'm I gonna tell the little lady about thish....
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at September 03, 2011 12:49 PM (KxADM)
What about everyone else?
I stopped paying attention to Palin. I like her, but we're 14 months from a presidential election, and she hasn't said anything that made me take any notice.
Posted by: FireHorse at September 03, 2011 12:49 PM (RZRz9)
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 03, 2011 12:49 PM (o2lIv)
What about everyone else?
Posted by: Ace at 03:27 PM ----------------- I remember someone at the end of Palin's speech, asking for donations to SarahPAC..........Or did I dream that? If I didn't dream it, then I think that this little detail supports your position, Ace, that this was not a speech done for the sole purpose of "supporting the Tea Party".
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 03, 2011 12:50 PM (EprMc)
Posted by: Disgruntled Monkey at September 03, 2011 12:50 PM (v9hqk)
It's a ... meh. Gingrich is running to bump his speaking fees. Giuliani did the same last time. Ron Paul makes way more since he became the perpetual libertarian campaigner.
It kinda sucks. But celebrity=money. And politics is a great way to become a celebrity.
Posted by: Clubber Lang at September 03, 2011 12:50 PM (kNi6p)
Posted by: Jean at September 03, 2011 12:50 PM (WkuV6)
No, it isn't. Reagan isn't Palin, and anyone not Palin and posing a perceived threat to a campaign is The Enemy. They regularly play the "former Dem" card now against Perry, why wouldn't they against Reagan, who could also be branded as an "establishment" RINO squish on abortion who raised taxes and increased spending as governor?
Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 03, 2011 12:50 PM (Jl4kG)
Posted by: Jehu at September 03, 2011 12:50 PM (4vTGQ)
Yup.
She does setpiece speeches well. And that's about it.
I -- and I later noticed Karl Rove said the same thing -- expressed the idea that if Palin wanted to be a credible candidate in 2012, she needed to get out of the media limelight, and literally hit the books (and experts) studying.
Instead, reality TV and the rest of the media limelight.
Now I admit I never said she should serve out her first term as part of my "How Palin can be electable" plan because it never occurred to me she'd quit halfway through it --- certainly not as a result of pressure from Democrats!
Anyhow, Palin is all about Palin. She's making money, fine, whatever. She should not be President.
Posted by: Random at September 03, 2011 12:51 PM (YiE0S)
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 03, 2011 12:52 PM (EprMc)
Posted by: Mr. Potato Head at September 03, 2011 12:52 PM (Q63S1)
Posted by: izoneguy at September 03, 2011 12:53 PM (i6Neb)
That's really a large part of why I hate the 'Nistas so much -- their attacks on other candidates have far, far less to do with any actual policy issues than they do with mindlessly zombie-rushing whichever candidate they think threatens their girl the most at any given time. If I weren't convinced it was a gut-level emotional reflex with these people I would deem it deviously cynical.
That's a lot of stupid packed into three sentences.
Posted by: beedubya at September 03, 2011 12:53 PM (AnTyA)
Somehow I remember Ace touting McCain as the man who would solve the GOP's problems. He was wrong then, and he is still trying to prove no one can jump the shark better than he can.
He should give up smoking.
Posted by: Molon Labe at September 03, 2011 12:53 PM (e36+G)
No, he formulated it as the event was going on -- it's mostly a reconfiguration of his comments in the previous thread with some added thoughts.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 12:53 PM (hIWe1)
I think that Gingrich, Santorum and Perry have all said something similar....That eliminating the corp income tax would be optimum, but if not, then we must reduce it drastically to be competitve with other countries.
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 03, 2011 04:12 PM (EprMc)
Since I was responding to this comment from Ace:
"Her five point plan could have been taken from just about any candidates' Standard Stump Speech, and I include Jon Huntsman when I say "any candidate"I thought it made sense in context. Sorry to mislead you, and thank you for the helpful kool-aid comment.
I just googled Gingrich & Perry. Gingrich wants
the rate to be 12.5%, and Perry has made no specific statements. Perry
has, however, avoided the strategy of being vague in order to avoid
offending anyone:
I'm kind of bummed because I was hoping someone
would want to discuss the specifics of the policies laid out. It's not
all about Sarah Palin, you know. The policy points laid out in that
speech were very interesting and credible to me, and I was extremely
excited when I heard the corporate tax one. No actual discussion of issues here, so I'm moving on.
Posted by: Gadfly at September 03, 2011 12:53 PM (/4Vkv)
Posted by: buzzion at September 03, 2011 12:53 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: Truman North, TPT at September 03, 2011 12:54 PM (+gfwN)
Posted by: Jean at September 03, 2011 12:54 PM (WkuV6)
Posted by: izoneguy at September 03, 2011 12:54 PM (i6Neb)
Posted by: Clubber Lang at September 03, 2011 04:50 PM (kNi6p)
[Clears throat]
Why you looking at us?
Posted by: Mario Cuomo and Jesse Jackson at September 03, 2011 12:55 PM (lh7Yc)
Posted by: beedubya at September 03, 2011 04:53 PM (AnTyA)
Impressively, you've packed in more in just one.Posted by: Random at September 03, 2011 12:55 PM (YiE0S)
They did..
...you know, the voices in Hollowpoint's head
Also, the people organizing the event:
Charlie Gruschow, co-founder of event host Tea Party of America, told FoxNews.com he doesn't know what Palin will do at the rally, but that "all we're being told is that she's going to make a major announcement."
As far as I know, she never refuted that statement.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 03, 2011 12:56 PM (Jl4kG)
Posted by: Jean at September 03, 2011 12:56 PM (WkuV6)
Oh I'm sure you think so. Now could you please explain to me why Palin fans are focused like a laser on tearing down Rick Perry, a guy who was presumably conservative enough for Palin to full-throatedly endorse and campaign for several times in previous years? Oh yeah, I remember: he's suddenly a "crony capitalist." It surely has nothing to do with the fact that he's the front-runner and he's sucked up most of Palin's media oxygen by filling her political space in the primary.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 12:56 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: University of Miami Hurricanes at September 03, 2011 12:56 PM (lh7Yc)
I thought the speech was a major waste of time. Governor Palin's great strength is cutting a budget, trimming out specific waste, "putting the state jet on ebay", and I got none of that. She has an annoying habit, same as Bush 43, of making grins and smiles at the wrong moments. It looks odd and is very off-putting. It makes her speech seem childish rather than simple. Contrast her to speeches by Perry or Gingrich and you can see that she is being ill-advised to keep her speech so free from detail. BTW, I found Perry's debate for Governor where he accuses his opponent of sending a suitcase of cash to South American drug dealers. What a punch to the gut. Perry will possibly be the toughest GOP candidate, tougher than Christie, who is almost childish when he talks tough.
Last, we still get no info on Palin's big Why did she quit her job?
Posted by: Keating Willcox at September 03, 2011 12:57 PM (zsyG/)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 03, 2011 12:57 PM (r4wIV)
It's the 2nd headline. Let's just say that some of them don't think well of us.
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 03, 2011 12:57 PM (o2lIv)
Not that anyone gives a damn, but I find all this amusing. Ace must sometimes get vertigo as his readers rush him from Hero to Zero and back again. He Fights the Good Fight against Weiner, then is unimpressed by Palin and finds that his name is a three-letter word that is pronounced "Ace" but can be spelled "M-U-D."
At least he's not a squishy wimp like Ed "Poppin' Fresh" Morrissey, a pillar of snark like Allahpander, an above-his-pay-grade "pundit" like the Tepid Air Groan Room denizens, or a pompous little preppie like Jonah Goldberg.
Boy calls it like he sees it, straight out. I like that, even when I don't agree with him.
And Osama Obama remains, now and always, a stuttering clusterf*** of a miserable failure.
Posted by: MrScribbler at September 03, 2011 12:57 PM (YjjrR)
The only damage coming from all of this is to the people who haven't reconciled their expectations and perception of her with her stated/ implied intentions.
I haven't followed her closely enough to give a shit about the prospective wish casting either way, but I can appreciate the role.
Posted by: Fritz at September 03, 2011 12:57 PM (YhI7X)
Don't panic. This ain't no high speed train. It's been crashing for days (if not weeks) now.
As far as I can tell, everything is proceeding exactly along the Dem's playbook.
Has anyone else noticed that the LSM has pretty much stopped calling the Republican party fractured?
Posted by: jwb7605 at September 03, 2011 12:58 PM (Qxe/p)
Posted by: Tom Wannamaker at September 03, 2011 12:58 PM (R/YwK)
Oh I'm sure you think so. Now could you please explain to me why Palin fans are focused like a laser on tearing down Rick Perry, a guy who was presumably conservative enough for Palin to full-throatedly endorse and campaign for several times in previous years? Oh yeah, I remember: he's suddenly a "crony capitalist." It surely has nothing to do with the fact that he's the front-runner and he's sucked up most of Palin's media oxygen by filling her political space in the primary.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 04:56 PM (hIWe1)
Its usually the Romney fans that are really focused on going after Perry. But I understand why you think its Palin. You see her everywhere you look.
Posted by: buzzion at September 03, 2011 12:58 PM (GULKT)
TAMMY BRUCE IN UNREQUITED PALIN-CRUSH SHOCKER.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 12:58 PM (hIWe1)
I went to conservatives4palin dot com, I'm wondering why they think if she gets in, she's just magically going to go from being way behind Barry to ahead? and these aren't some random polls, rassmeseum had this poll. I read many of the comments, and quiet honestly I don't get it, Ron Paul supporters know he won't get the nomination but support him through certain consistent principles Paul had espoused and demonstrated through his many years in congress,
but with Palinistas, its like some magic wand will come and put her in the lead should she enter. They really don't even seem to acknowledge that reality, or have an explanation or plan on how to reverse it, I do not get it one bit.
Posted by: johnc_recent_EXdem at September 03, 2011 12:58 PM (ACkhT)
Exactly, from where I sit, the "Palin is a stupid bitch" bit is just as stupid and unattractive as the "Palin is the second coming of Jesus Reagan" bit.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 03, 2011 12:59 PM (r4wIV)
You should give up LSD to cut down on the halucinations. Ace was in Teh Fred camp.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 03, 2011 12:59 PM (Jl4kG)
Posted by: buzzion at September 03, 2011 01:00 PM (GULKT)
For God's sake, stop being insufferable hypocrites.
Liberals have never given this kind of analysis or scrutiny to Obama's Unicorn farm dreams. Please do an honest story on Obama's campaign promises. Were there any specifics and if so did even one of the materialize?
Palin is simply setting forth her concepts--just as Obama did.
So stop imposing criteria on her that you never imposed on Obama.
Posted by: BMF at September 03, 2011 01:00 PM (a0+mV)
Posted by: Scott at September 03, 2011 01:00 PM (7cINF)
Fuck "usually," buzzion. I see JackStraw taking shots at Perry, but his critiques are actually reasoned (and he can be reasoned WITH, more importantly). What I'm referring to is the sudden spate of hacky attacks on Perry in the Palin threads. Want to bet that the people making those attacks aren't big fans of Mitt Romney?
C'mon now.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 01:00 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: zane at September 03, 2011 04:41 PM (sQnt4)
I'm all in for Perry, but in Alaska the the candidates for lt gov and gov are selected separately in their own primaries. The gov candidate doesn't choose a running mate, but they do run together as a slate.
In TX, they don't even run together. We've had gov and lt gov from different parties a couple of times.
Posted by: stace at September 03, 2011 01:01 PM (lYlx9)
Posted by: buzzion at September 03, 2011 04:53 PM (GULKT)
You know, I could swear I remember you making a fuss about leaving these threads and hanging out in the football thread because you were Above Both the Pro-and-Anti-Palins and didn't want to read the same shit over and over.
Dude. Go get laid, have a drink, take a shit, grow a few inches; whatever works to calm you down. But enough already with the I've-got-everyone's-number crap.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at September 03, 2011 01:02 PM (KxADM)
Posted by: The Mega Indepedent at September 03, 2011 01:03 PM (5I0Yr)
I for one think it's a brilliant strategy. As long as she gets in before the Florida primary she's golden.
Posted by: Rudy Giuliani at September 03, 2011 01:04 PM (Jl4kG)
That's it, Undead States. Your name just went down on THE LIST.
This is a very important list. And you don't want to be on it, let me tell you that.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 01:04 PM (hIWe1)
Aren't you just heart-broken over that? I know I am.
Posted by: As If! at September 03, 2011 01:04 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Tsar Nic's girlfriend at September 03, 2011 01:04 PM (iRlbA)
Posted by: As If! at September 03, 2011 01:04 PM (piMMO)
You know, I could swear I remember you making a fuss about leaving these threads and hanging out in the football thread because you were Above Both the Pro-and-Anti-Palins and didn't want to read the same shit over and over.
Dude. Go get laid, have a drink, take a shit, grow a few inches; whatever works to calm you down. But enough already with the I've-got-everyone's-number crap.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at September 03, 2011 05:02 PM (KxADM)
And I could swear you said you were going to stop engaging in this shit.
Posted by: buzzion at September 03, 2011 01:05 PM (GULKT)
Oh the horror! *faints*
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at September 03, 2011 01:05 PM (c0A3e)
Posted by: Jean at September 03, 2011 01:06 PM (WkuV6)
Perry is a fund raising machine.
I think it's a shot at Obama. If it happens to be a shot at a Republican, I'd figure it'd be Romney first.
But even the Bible doesn't get this kind of scrutiny.
Posted by: AmishDude at September 03, 2011 01:07 PM (73tyQ)
Posted by: De' Debil Hisself at September 03, 2011 01:07 PM (lpWVn)
So stop imposing criteria on her that you never imposed on Obama.
Posted by: BMF at September 03, 2011 05:00 PMInteresting comment.
The reason Palin is losing/has lost a lot of the morons and other conservatives is that we impose the same standards on her as we do on Obama or any other political whore candidate.
Granted, the stuttering clusterf***, etc. is far more incompetent, far less patriotic, and probably shouldn't even be an American citizen (or free rather than behind bars), and no one in their right mind would say those things about Palin.
Nonetheless, her record of accomplishment, while decent for someone running for, say, the House of Representatives (and better than the Chicago Jesus's), is insufficient for the presidency.
The Traitor-in-Chief has proven that.
I know I'd like to sense that the Repub candidate, whoever it is, will actually put in some work at the job, bring some common sense, and generally function as an executive.
I don't think worrying about the Salmon Quota or giving televised tours around Alaska reaches that bar.
Posted by: MrScribbler at September 03, 2011 01:07 PM (YjjrR)
And I could swear you said you were going to stop engaging in this shit.
Posted by: buzzion at September 03, 2011 05:05 PM (GULKT)
Watch this...
Posted by: AmishDude at September 03, 2011 01:07 PM (73tyQ)
Posted by: Oily Taints at September 03, 2011 01:08 PM (TUax9)
Palin won't run but she'll def show jeleousy that the diva isn't getting the attention she wants and make people wait as they firiously read her tweets, facebook posts, and watch her sucked up to in friendly arenas.
she's a great fundraiser and kingmaker (well except that whole DE thing) and she's well suited there to make MSM heads explode and lefties dump hate on her while she makes a shitload of money.
if she runs, I can't see her going all the way much less being the nom.
Posted by: AuthorLMendez (Perry Guy) at September 03, 2011 01:08 PM (UzBwz)
And I could swear that I wrote in other thread that I was going to go gentle on Palin today. Guess what? We all get carried away, we're all selective hypocrites at one time or another. None of us is perfect.
Now that we're done zinging each other, let me reiterate that Barack Obama is a Stuttering Clusterf*ck of a Miserable Failure.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 01:08 PM (hIWe1)
Dude. Go
get laid, have a drink, take a shit, grow a few inches; whatever works
to calm you down. But enough already with the
I've-got-everyone's-number crap.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at September 03, 2011 05:02 PM (KxADM)
Yeah, I know.
Everybody knows it'll be Perry/Jindal cruising to victory next November.
Posted by: AmishDude at September 03, 2011 01:09 PM (73tyQ)
Ahh, just rolled in. Think I'll sit back, relax, and just watch. Maybe grab a beer.
You betcha!
Posted by: Delta Smelt at September 03, 2011 05:01 PM (A0VTZ)
--Delta, you're better off hanging in the college football thread.
Oh, and South Florida is still pantsing Notre Lame.
Posted by: logprof, just asking questions at September 03, 2011 01:09 PM (lh7Yc)
From what I'm reading, you and I are apparently delusional.
At least we're consistently delusional.
Posted by: jwb7605 at September 03, 2011 01:09 PM (Qxe/p)
No, not really. I didn't mean it like that.
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 03, 2011 01:09 PM (o2lIv)
Oh, and South Florida is still pantsing Notre Lame.
Posted by: logprof, just asking questions at September 03, 2011 05:09 PM (lh7Yc)
Ever since they ditched all the "God" stuff and embraced infanticide they just haven't been the same.
Posted by: De' Debil Hisself at September 03, 2011 01:10 PM (lpWVn)
Everybody knows it'll be Perry/Jindal cruising to victory next November.
Posted by: AmishDude at September 03, 2011 05:09 PM (73tyQ)
A distinct possibility. Jindal may not be much of a governor, but he sure knows how to climb the ladder. 
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at September 03, 2011 01:11 PM (KxADM)
Posted by: johnc_recent_EXdem at September 03, 2011 04:58 PM (ACkhT)
If it were possible to test the IQs of the Palinistas, and GOP voters as a whole; and then contrast Palnista w. non-Palinista GOP voters, I think this mystery would at last be solved.Palinistas would also work out to being more faith-based than non-Palinista GOP voters, but then ............
Posted by: Random at September 03, 2011 01:11 PM (YiE0S)
Posted by: Truman North, TPT at September 03, 2011 01:12 PM (+gfwN)
Delta, you're better off hanging in the college football thread.
Probably. But I do have a bit of masochist in me.
Posted by: Delta Smelt at September 03, 2011 01:12 PM (A0VTZ)
Posted by: Truman North, TPT at September 03, 2011 01:12 PM (+gfwN)
Aw, damn, I thought I'd "Niagara Falls" you.
Posted by: AmishDude at September 03, 2011 01:13 PM (73tyQ)
Oh the horror! *faints*
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at September 03, 2011 05:05 PM (c0A3e)
they ain't the boss of us!
actually at times i read hot air and enjoy some of the commenters, i've never registered , but i understand this site is fast: loose and often furious, it might take some time to come to terms that there is a little flame war burning in all of us.
and sometimes even funny, if they can't appreciate that well, sniff.
Posted by: willow at September 03, 2011 01:13 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: scrubjay at September 03, 2011 01:14 PM (FbJT1)
She contrasted Bambi's famous "fierce urgency of now" (typically plagiarized) with all the images we've seen of him strutting from place to place with that fake street walk of his, fundraising, golfing, vacationing and making the occasional scolding speech... for three solid years. Some fierce urgency. She will no doubt be using it again because it is an absolute stinger.
That stuff is needed, no matter who we want to beat him.
Posted by: The Mega Indepedent at September 03, 2011 01:14 PM (5I0Yr)
and sometimes even funny, if they can't appreciate that well, sniff.
Posted by: willow at September 03, 2011 05:13 PM (h+qn
I only come here for the comments.
Posted by: Andrew Breitbart at September 03, 2011 01:15 PM (lpWVn)
Probably. But I do have a bit of masochist in me.
Dude, you're not wearing ass-less chaps now by any chance, are you?
'Cause if you are, I'm heading back to the football thread.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 03, 2011 01:16 PM (QEOkb)
Posted by: Barack Obama at September 03, 2011 01:16 PM (+gfwN)
Posted by: Heorot at September 03, 2011 01:16 PM (sVFWn)
I only come here for the comments.
Posted by: Andrew Breitbart at September 03, 2011 05:15 PM (lpWVn)
I have strawberry lip gloss, fluff, fluff.
Posted by: willow at September 03, 2011 01:17 PM (h+qn8)
Dude, you're not wearing ass-less chaps now by any chance, are you?
No, but I brought a ball gag for some of the Palinistas.
Posted by: Delta Smelt at September 03, 2011 01:17 PM (A0VTZ)
Posted by: Barack Obama at September 03, 2011 01:17 PM (+gfwN)
Don't forget they hired that asshole Brian Kelly
Posted by: beedubya at September 03, 2011 01:17 PM (AnTyA)
Hell her man in Iowa flat out told people if they were coming for anything more than a great speech, they should stay home!
That said, it was a great speech. She kicked Perry's ass on his corrupt crony capitalism and laid out a damned fine plan for getting America back upon her feet.
Face it loser, you just hate strong women because you used to get your ass kicked by them as a kid.
BTW, she'll be in before the end of the month, and Perry's day in the sun will be over, then he can go back to selling his office to the highest bidder like he has for the last decade. $500,000 to push the AT&T merger being over the top.
Palin will be our next President and there isn't a damned thing you can do about it.
Posted by: Blackwater at September 03, 2011 01:19 PM (qjOMY)
Posted by: willow at September 03, 2011 01:19 PM (h+qn8)
I bought my daughter a Blizzard Pearl Fender Am. Standard Jazz Bass this afternoon.
I immediately sawed her Squire Bass in half so no one else would be hurt by it.
Posted by: De' Debil Hisself at September 03, 2011 01:19 PM (lpWVn)
Posted by: Truman North, TPT at September 03, 2011 01:19 PM (+gfwN)
No, but I brought a ball gag for some of the Palinistas.
They qualify more for the leather hood than the ball gag.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 03, 2011 01:20 PM (QEOkb)
--------------
Well Said. let's not leave out Jazz Shaw, and Tina Korbe. Really Hot Air used to be one the first sites I visited every day, now it's become nothing but a Log Cabin Republican agenda driven site. The constant pushing of the gay agenda got old pretty quick too.
Posted by: Raquel at September 03, 2011 01:20 PM (1wgaP)
Since she resigned her Governorship, he lost me. What an airhead. Should have spent the time studying foreign affairs.
Posted by: Jimbo at September 03, 2011 01:20 PM (O3R/2)
Posted by: Truman North, TPT at September 03, 2011 01:20 PM (+gfwN)
Posted by: Heorot at September 03, 2011 05:16 PM (sVFWn)
I second that motion
Posted by: Ma Bell at September 03, 2011 01:20 PM (H/MnC)
Best of the best in playoffs.
You know. No matter who's in the World Series, it's a fucking show and a half.
Posted by: De' Debil Hisself at September 03, 2011 01:21 PM (lpWVn)
i'm dizzy now.
Posted by: As If! at September 03, 2011 01:22 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: ronno at September 03, 2011 01:22 PM (nQR0p)
Jesus, I don't want Sarah to run for president, but dammit stop saying she quit the governorship.
She was facing bankruptcy from defending herself against nuisance lawsuits and could not by Alaska law, build a defense fund for herself.
So she resigned so she could retain her credit rating. It seemed like the right idea at the time and I honestly can't fult her for it.
Posted by: Truman North, TPT at September 03, 2011 01:23 PM (+gfwN)
Posted by: Barack Obama at September 03, 2011 01:24 PM (+gfwN)
Jesus, I don't want Sarah to run for president, but dammit stop saying she quit the governorship.
She was facing bankruptcy from defending herself against nuisance lawsuits and could not by Alaska law, build a defense fund for herself.
So she resigned so she could retain her credit rating. It seemed like the right idea at the time and I honestly can't fult her for it.
Oh, Jesus! Ace was right. Now I've witnessed it for myself.
Posted by: As If! at September 03, 2011 01:24 PM (piMMO)
She was kicked around mightily and They appreciate Her efforts in fighting back. And She Has.
I imagine they will get on board if she doesn't throw Her hat in, I would hate to lose a voting block that is as determined as this room to find a way out of the financial devastation we are all facing.
Posted by: willow at September 03, 2011 01:25 PM (h+qn8)
I was at Marco Rubio's speech at the Reagan Library. In it, he gave no specific plans or policies. Just the same old vague, standard conservative talking points. He didn't even touch the social issues. He was also ambiguous when asked whether he would accept the VP slot for 2012. Also, I shelled out $55 for this and I had to climb up a hill in 90-degree weather because the parking lot was full.
Mind you, I'm not complaining. I'd like to hear why Rubio was good and Palin was not.
Posted by: arhooley at September 03, 2011 01:25 PM (4UDoN)
Posted by: Truman North
I think the HTML was expecting something else, so it hiccuped.
Posted by: Hobbitopoly at September 03, 2011 01:25 PM (rQH33)
Posted by: As If! at September 03, 2011 01:25 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Thresher at September 03, 2011 01:25 PM (PA3G8)
Jesus, I don't want Sarah to run for president, but dammit stop saying she quit the governorship.
She was facing bankruptcy from defending herself against nuisance lawsuits and could not by Alaska law, build a defense fund for herself.
So she resigned so she could retain her credit rating. It seemed like the right idea at the time and I honestly can't fult her for it.
Posted by: Truman North, TPT at September 03, 2011 05:23 PM (+gfwN)
More importantly, she was forced to waste State resources to fight them.
Posted by: ronno at September 03, 2011 01:25 PM (nQR0p)
Posted by: De' Debil Hisself at September 03, 2011 01:25 PM (lpWVn)
Palin will be our next President and there isn't a damned thing you can do about it.
this is where dumbasses like you piss me off. Do you think I don't want Palin as President? I merely don't want her as the nom because I think she has no chance in Hell against Obama or pratically any other serious Dem contender should he not run come 2012. I hope she proves me wrong and all that but she ain't going to be President in 2013.
Posted by: AuthorLMendez (Perry Guy) at September 03, 2011 01:26 PM (UzBwz)
No, it isn't. Reagan isn't Palin, and anyone not Palin and posing a perceived threat to a campaign is The Enemy. They regularly play the "former Dem" card now against Perry, why wouldn't they against Reagan, who could also be branded as an "establishment" RINO squish on abortion who raised taxes and increased spending as governor?
.......................
I'm sorry but while I support Perry right now, the more I find out about Perry's immigration stances, especially the "binational insurance." As for "Reagan is too moderate for this radical GOP" go back to Kos with that bs troll.
Posted by: Raquel at September 03, 2011 01:27 PM (1wgaP)
I thinki Perrywinkles are pissed because even though she is not in the race, her delays and barbs hurt Perry more than Romney.
Whatever she does, that "crony capitalist" line of attack is going to haunt the "career politician" Perry. The beginning of his erosion.
Posted by: winning at September 03, 2011 01:27 PM (OAzB1)
#403 Heorot at September 03, 2011 05:25 PM (sVFWn)
"Heorot" reminds me of a StrategyPage commenter ... are you that "Heorot"?
Posted by: Arbalest at September 03, 2011 01:28 PM (VkGfe)
Will I do? I'm grilling fresh caught mahi-mahi for fish tacos (with wickedly hot homemade pico de gallo).
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 03, 2011 01:28 PM (UOM48)
Never seen a bigger bunch of hypocrites. If most of you had an honest bone in your bodies, and weren't looking at her speech as a way to beat her up, you'd see that you would be singing the praises of that speech if Perry had given it.
Palin never promised a damn thing about that speech. Everything that was uttered or wondered about was by a bunch of media fucks using so-called "Palin insiders". How many effin times have the rumors from "insiders" turned out to be bullshit. Even the organizer of the event was spouting nothing but rumors.
Ace, you're not objective on Palin, and you never will be. If Perry had given that speech, you'd have sucked his dick.
Posted by: Steph at September 03, 2011 01:28 PM (hfrm2)
Soothsayer and I did our best at the last thread by talking about yummy sandwiches. It had no impact whatsoever. On this thread I linked an awesome Pac Man site and mentioned, several times, how good this show about the construction of the Freedom Tower is, but no one cares.
Whatever the view, folks are committed to this argument.
Posted by: As If! at September 03, 2011 01:28 PM (piMMO)
"18 I cannot begin to tell you how much time I wasted on "teases" that never really "knew what they wanted".
Adios chica!"
But the teases all had one thing in common, they definetly not did want you.
When it comes to Palin, ACE is an ASS.
Posted by: Old Duffer at September 03, 2011 01:28 PM (0D6lL)
Posted by: willow at September 03, 2011 01:28 PM (h+qn8)
Gosh...you never lump people together, do you?
I'm a big Perry supporter
Posted by: beedubya at September 03, 2011 01:29 PM (AnTyA)
I took Mrs. North to see Apollo 18 last night. I could make an epic movie review thread out of it, since there is really quite a lot in it to talk about that doesn't reveal the plot.
But
Don't go to it expecting a science fiction or even a science fact-ish movie. It's a straight up jump-scare horror movie. 2 stars out of 5. Possibly worth putting it at the bottom of your Netflix list.
Posted by: Truman North, TPT at September 03, 2011 01:29 PM (+gfwN)
Posted by: arhooley at September 03, 2011 05:25 PM (4UDoN)
You want the truth? Rubio went to law school.
Among some, it's instant cred.
All of that policy stuff that Palin's supposed to become a super-expert on? Well lawyers are just assumed to know all of it offhand.
Posted by: AmishDude at September 03, 2011 01:30 PM (73tyQ)
Focus, people: Barky is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 03, 2011 01:30 PM (UOM48)
Lord, if I could eat that stuff again.
Alas, a surgeon's error took all spicy food from me.
Posted by: De' Debil Hisself at September 03, 2011 01:31 PM (lpWVn)
they just evacuated the ND stadium because a storm supposedly is coming. Hey, at least they figured out a way not to lose to USF
Posted by: beedubya at September 03, 2011 01:31 PM (AnTyA)
Oh, and those of you spouting the garbage that she was going after Perry are nothing short of just plain stupid. In the same breath that she was talking of corny capitalism, she talked about Obama.
Quit looking for the boogie man coming after Perry. It wasn't Palin in this speech. Jeesh.
Posted by: Steph at September 03, 2011 01:31 PM (hfrm2)
I just talked the wife into BLT's with home-grown lettuce, home-grown tomatoes, homemade mayonnaise, and fresh baked bread.
Had to buy the bacon, though.
Posted by: jwb7605 at September 03, 2011 01:31 PM (Qxe/p)
I hope she proves me wrong and all that but she ain't going to be President in 2013.
That's no doub true.
I can forgive the quitting because of the law suits. I can understand that. Not many of us would have pushed our familes into bankruptcy for politics.
You know what I can't forgive? I can't forgive knowing that she needed to rehab her image as a serious person....and then doing a reality TV show.
Sorry, that's just not "Presidential." Of all the nails in her political coffin the TV show was the one that did it for me.
I like her personally, she seems genuine, I like that things she does say when she talks about conservatism. But the last 3 years have called her judgment into question for me.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 03, 2011 01:31 PM (QEOkb)
No, it isn't. Reagan isn't Palin, and anyone not Palin and posing a perceived threat to a campaign is The Enemy. They regularly play the "former Dem" card now against Perry, why wouldn't they against Reagan, who could also be branded as an "establishment" RINO squish on abortion who raised taxes and increased spending as governor?
*applause* THIS Reagan was no conservative Gov but he learned on the job and got more conservative as his political career continued
Posted by: AuthorLMendez (Perry Guy) at September 03, 2011 01:31 PM (UzBwz)
Posted by: gride at September 03, 2011 01:31 PM (7Iqhu)
#403 Heorot at September 03, 2011 05:25 PM (sVFWn)
"Heorot" reminds me of a StrategyPage commenter ... are you that "Heorot"?
Nope. Don't remember if I've ever even been there.
Posted by: Heorot at September 03, 2011 01:32 PM (sVFWn)
Right about the time they get their invite to attend a little get together at this cool new resort called Jonestown.
Posted by: Earl at September 03, 2011 01:32 PM (PO5G4)
Posted by: gride at September 03, 2011 05:31 PM (7Iqhu)
See #349
Posted by: De' Debil Hisself at September 03, 2011 01:33 PM (lpWVn)
Posted by: Random at September 03, 2011 01:34 PM (SOwfU)
I like her personally, she seems genuine, I like that things she does say when she talks about conservatism. But the last 3 years have called her judgment into question for me.
ditto, and if it were her or Obama, I'd vote for Palin. but according to the hardcore Palinistas I am a RINO who wants big govt cause she's not my nom and I question her.
Posted by: AuthorLMendez (Perry Guy) at September 03, 2011 01:34 PM (UzBwz)
corny capitalism
Thinking of a good one liner....
Help me out folks....
Posted by: Delta Smelt at September 03, 2011 05:32 PM (A0VTZ)
Ethanol Subsidies and State Fair Corn Dog Vendors
Posted by: De' Debil Hisself at September 03, 2011 01:35 PM (lpWVn)
Posted by: Random at September 03, 2011 01:36 PM (SOwfU)
Oh, and those of you spouting the garbage that she was going after Perry are nothing short of just plain stupid. In the same breath that she was talking of corny capitalism, she talked about Obama.
Quit looking for the boogie man coming after Perry. It wasn't Palin in this speech. Jeesh.
Posted by: Steph at September 03, 2011 05:31 PM (hfrm2)
And, the dumbass Palin supporters need to understand that, too, and I say that as someone who supports her. You're acting like idiots when you spout shit that she was attacking Perry for corny capitalism. Damn, people need to find the transcript to the speech, and look in the damn mirror when they start attacking people that are supposed to be on our side. This crap is getting really fucked up.
Posted by: Steph at September 03, 2011 01:37 PM (hfrm2)
Ethanol Subsidies and State Fair Corn Dog Vendors
I'd rather live under corny capitalism than cheesy capitalism any day.
Posted by: Delta Smelt at September 03, 2011 01:37 PM (A0VTZ)
corny capitalism
Thinking of a good one liner....
Help me out folks....
Hmm... corny capitalism=ethanol=ValuRite
Yes, there's definitely a joke lurking in there somewhere.
Posted by: Heorot at September 03, 2011 01:40 PM (sVFWn)
Posted by: Penfold at September 03, 2011 01:41 PM (4jMRd)
I'm not sure if that was her idea or the producer's but Kate was on the show. And, from what I saw of it, she was an incredible bitch while there.
Posted by: As If! at September 03, 2011 01:41 PM (piMMO)
republican party Must win. Let's make it happen.
that's all.
Absolutely. I don't care who the nominee eventally is, I'll swim through 10 miles of shark-infested piss just to vote against JEF.
If Dennis Kucinich changed parties and won the Republican nomination....I'd vote for him. That's how much JEF needs to go.
But I'd want weekends with his hot, ginger wife to seal that deal....
Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 03, 2011 01:41 PM (zZ0Ta)
She did quit. And the initial reason she gave for quitting was because she was a lame duck, which is a lame excuse.
Bankrupting her family is a valid excuse, and the one she should have led with.
As for running, I have no problem with it. If she wants to run, she should run. She won't win, but she should run if she wants to.
Posted by: Earl at September 03, 2011 01:42 PM (PO5G4)
Posted by: As If! at September 03, 2011 05:41 PM (piMMO)
Kate's always a bitch, I enjoyed Palin's show
Posted by: AuthorLMendez (Perry Guy) at September 03, 2011 01:42 PM (UzBwz)
THIS
The media knows they can still lead the less-informed around by their nose rings.
Posted by: beedubya at September 03, 2011 01:42 PM (AnTyA)
Well, the producer told her to just be herself.
Posted by: De' Debil Hisself at September 03, 2011 01:42 PM (lpWVn)
Damn it I tried! Baby back ribsÂ…Â…Â….come on people. Its Labor Day, surely someone else is grillin right now.
Posted by: MallamuttI will be later. I bought some beautiful filets at Sam's yesterday. Probably make a nice wine sauce to drizzle over them.
Posted by: Hobbitopoly at September 03, 2011 01:42 PM (rQH33)
And Reagan was an actor in mostly B-movies, so was Aaaahnuld. So what? It is Saturday afternoon and we need a new threat (preferably free of politics) Food fight would be good
Posted by: Ma Bell at September 03, 2011 01:43 PM (H/MnC)
" Penfold" my ass. Your real name is Cliff. Cliff Notes!
Posted by: jwb7605 at September 03, 2011 01:43 PM (Qxe/p)
President or not. Meh. I think that all the morons can agree that Saracuda has THE nicest sweater meat of the GOP pack. Can I get an amen? Look of the picture of her on Drudge. Bunk.
Posted by: Osama bin Truck Monkey, TEArrorist at September 03, 2011 01:44 PM (jucos)
Zeus has always been a whiny cry-baby coward.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at September 03, 2011 01:44 PM (c0A3e)
...and she was very disrespectful to our President
Posted by: AoSHQ United RiNO Front at September 03, 2011 01:44 PM (AnTyA)
Posted by: As If! at September 03, 2011 01:44 PM (piMMO)
Since she resigned her Governorship, he lost me. What an airhead. Should have spent the time studying foreign affairs.
Yes. And the Constitution. And had a few sessions with a speech therapist. Instead she did a reality TV show, demonstrated that her kids mouth back at her, and proclaimed conservative generalitites on FOX. Now she's more unfocused than Obama on the oil spill and flitting around like Obama on vacation. And after 3 years she won't tell us if she's running or not. No thank you.
Posted by: Avogadra at September 03, 2011 01:45 PM (dtIOD)
Drizzle! You mentioned the post title!
Posted by: AmishDude at September 03, 2011 01:45 PM (73tyQ)
Posted by: Ma Bell at September 03, 2011 05:43 PM (H/MnC)
diff. in being an actor and then serving 8 years as Gov of the most populist state and then running for prez. to serving 2 and a half years as gov of the smallest populated state and then trying to get political points with a reality show...
Posted by: AuthorLMendez (Perry Guy) at September 03, 2011 01:46 PM (UzBwz)
Posted by: Random at September 03, 2011 01:46 PM (SOwfU)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 03, 2011 01:46 PM (UOM48)
Had to buy the bacon, though.
Slacker. Where do you think you'll be able to buy bacon when the SHTF?
Posted by: G. Beck at September 03, 2011 01:46 PM (7EV/g)
You want the truth? Rubio went to law school.
Among some, it's instant cred.
All
of that policy stuff that Palin's supposed to become a super-expert
on? Well lawyers are just assumed to know all of it offhand.
Yay! someone read my post. But srsly: Heh. I think you nailed it.
Steph, you go, girl.
Posted by: arhooley at September 03, 2011 01:47 PM (4UDoN)
Posted by: As If! at September 03, 2011 01:47 PM (piMMO)
And Reagan was an actor in mostly B-movies, so was Aaaahnuld. So what?
Ahhhnuld is, was, and always will be a fucking moron. And not in the good way.
Reagan had a serious intellectual pedigree in conservatism long before he showed up on the natonal scene. Go read "Reagan In His Own Hand."
Sarah does not compare favorably to Reagan in any manner, shape, or form. She does compare favorably to Arnold.
So she doesn't compare favorably to the patron saint to American conservatism, but she does compare favorably to a failed, adulterous, B-movie actor.
So she's got that goin' for her, which is nice.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 03, 2011 01:47 PM (zZ0Ta)
Heh. Sorry, I have not my had time to read all the insightful comments as this afternoon has been taken up caring for yet another foster kitten with the biggest case of ringworm i have ever seen.
Posted by: Penfold at September 03, 2011 01:48 PM (4jMRd)
Heh. Sorry, I have not my had time to read all the insightful comments as this afternoon has been taken up caring for yet another foster kitten with the biggest case of ringworm i have ever seen.
Posted by: Penfold at September 03, 2011 05:48 PM (4jMRd)
Awww....you're an angel.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 03, 2011 01:49 PM (UOM48)
btw, Scott Conroy over at RealClearPolitics thought the speech was worth reporting on. http://tinyurl.com/3wculxh
Posted by: arhooley at September 03, 2011 01:49 PM (4UDoN)
Grooming? Given that this is AoSHQ, I assume you mean like with horses?
Posted by: Heorot at September 03, 2011 01:49 PM (sVFWn)
Posted by: Erick Erickson at September 03, 2011 01:49 PM (le5qc)
Damn, I can't seem to get my fingers to type the correct spelling for crony.
Posted by: Steph at September 03, 2011 01:50 PM (hfrm2)
diff. in being an actor and then serving 8 years as Gov of the most populist state and then running for prez. to serving 2 and a half years as gov of the smallest populated state and then trying to get political points with a reality show...
Posted by: AuthorLMendez (Perry Guy) at September 03, 2011 05:46 PM (UzBwz)
Who gives a shit about who did what in whatever order. The point is everybody here appies different standards. I couldn't care less what a person did in their previous career. This is a free country and if someone wants to make a load of money (in a legal way) more power to them.
Posted by: Ma Bell at September 03, 2011 01:51 PM (H/MnC)
Posted by: Ma Bell at September 03, 2011 05:51 PM (H/MnC)
you're assuming I think otherwise. but as much as they can make money legally and seek public office no matter they're past...I can judge and make my choice based on their past as well.
Posted by: AuthorLMendez (Perry Guy) at September 03, 2011 01:52 PM (UzBwz)
>>>Posted by: Erick Erickson at September 03, 2011 05:49 PM (le5qc)
Hey now, this one was good.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 01:53 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: Penfold at September 03, 2011 01:53 PM (4jMRd)
Posted by: As If! at September 03, 2011 05:52 PM (piMMO)
I would rather have HotPockets.
Posted by: Osama bin Truck Monkey, TEArrorist at September 03, 2011 01:53 PM (jucos)
Husband just came in from being on the boat all day with his buds. Gotta go get the Weber fired up.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 03, 2011 01:54 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: prettypinkfluffypanties at September 03, 2011 01:55 PM (/uJoK)
Posted by: prettypinkfluffypanties at September 03, 2011 05:55 PM (/uJoK)
Yeah, Drudge has been so relevant lately. He's still always the first to report anything important, right?
Posted by: Steph at September 03, 2011 01:57 PM (hfrm2)
Posted by: As If! at September 03, 2011 01:58 PM (piMMO)
Truman North, TPT at September 03, 2011 05:23 PM (+gfwN)
was a perfect opportunity to exercise some leadership and and work to repeal the law that allows every petty little complaint to be blown up into such a big deal. she had the state bully pulpit and a perfect example of how frivolous the suits against her were. she took the easy way out,
Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 01:59 PM (xAq1C)
Posted by: As If! at September 03, 2011 05:58 PM (piMMO)
History channel is also becoming a joke to it's namesake
Posted by: AuthorLMendez (Perry Guy) at September 03, 2011 01:59 PM (UzBwz)
Whatever Palin does, the crony capitalist line is sticking.
Her speech helped Romney's "career politician" critique.
I think the Perrywinkles are upset because they understand the damage she is doing to their guy, who must never be vetted or criticized.
Posted by: winning at September 03, 2011 01:59 PM (OAzB1)
I think the Perrywinkles are upset because they understand the damage she is doing to their guy, who must never be vetted or criticized.
I disagree w/ Perry on a couple things. Looking at polls that she's trailing Perry if she's put in those polls, i'd say she's not hurting him at all. I also have my doubts she took a swipe at Perry at all and was just vague all around.
Posted by: AuthorLMendez (Perry Guy) at September 03, 2011 02:02 PM (UzBwz)
When Drudge criticizes Palin = "Meh, he's irrelevant...and so are polls, now that Palin said so."
Posted by: prettypinkfluffypanties at September 03, 2011 02:03 PM (/uJoK)
So...ya finally figgered out that ALL politicians are bullshitters.
Now....what ya gonna do about it?
No vague generalities or playing to the base, please.
Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at September 03, 2011 02:03 PM (E7Z1r)
So...ya finally figgered out that ALL politicians are bullshitters.
Now....what ya gonna do about it?
No vague generalities or playing to the base, please.
Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at September 03, 2011 06:03 PM (E7Z1r)
^^^^This^^^^
Posted by: Ma Bell at September 03, 2011 02:05 PM (H/MnC)
Posted by: As If! at September 03, 2011 05:47 PM (piMMO)
Pikers, I don't even need shaft's!
Posted by: Willie Wonka's Glass Elevator at September 03, 2011 02:06 PM (FIDMq)
Palin's event today, with all the cancellations/ODonnell drama and so forth, gave off an aura of stuttering.
Put Perry in with a pack of coyotes, and I know who is getting a clusterf*ck.
Newt should of looked like he was on that couch with Pelosi only because he was pinned there with a spike in his ass; i.e. he should have looked miserable.
Romney = RomneyCare = failure
There is only one person that is worthy of the entire phrase though.
Posted by: GnuBreed at September 03, 2011 02:06 PM (ENKCw)
Posted by: Singyn Shinola at September 03, 2011 02:07 PM (NBj0d)
So...ya finally figgered out that ALL politicians are bullshitters.
Now....what ya gonna do about it?
No vague generalities or playing to the base, please.
There are berths reserved for them on the B Ark.
Posted by: Golgafrincham at September 03, 2011 02:08 PM (sVFWn)
Not lost their lives. Not were victims of the plane crashes. Murdered.
Didn't expect that.
Posted by: As If! at September 03, 2011 02:09 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: BurtTC at September 03, 2011 02:11 PM (Gc/Qi)
Posted by: proudonkey at September 03, 2011 02:12 PM (NadeK)
Everyone who's leaving, have a great weekend.
As to Palin, I like her. I don't think she's stupid, incompetent or however else the media tries to paint her. That being said, I don't think the Republicans have the political will, even with a massive, you best political wet dream landslide, to implement the needed changes after the next election.
To avoid complete disaster, the next president is going to have to chainsaw government and entitlements taking jobs and money out of the left's, cold, rioting hands. I don't think the Republicans have the stomach to do what's necessary. I hope I'm wrong but I saw the last debt ceiling battle as the hill to stand and fight on.
In that case, not seeing Sarah getting the support she'd need to steer the train away from the cliff, I hope she makes as much money as she can in the private sector, stocks up on ammo and is there to help with the rebuilding.
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 03, 2011 02:12 PM (GKQDR)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 03, 2011 02:12 PM (eOXTH)
So...ya finally figgered out that ALL politicians are bullshitters.
Now....what ya gonna do about it?
No vague generalities or playing to the base, please.
Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at September 03, 2011 06:03 PM (E7Z1r)
^^^^This^^^^
Posted by: Ma Bell at September 03, 2011 06:05 PM (H/MnC)
-----
Vote for the guy in the best position to beat Obama. That's what you do.
Posted by: winning at September 03, 2011 02:13 PM (OAzB1)
Posted by: Profiterole at September 03, 2011 02:13 PM (ychgM)
Yes. Because there's nothing more dangerous than firm boobehs. They are only looking out for the best interest of the poor victims of the fashion industry who were pressured to succumb to an unnatural feminine standard.
I would rather see a donor list.
Posted by: As If! at September 03, 2011 02:15 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: blogdorce one at September 03, 2011 02:16 PM (VNQYO)
ot
fda wants women to register their silicone boobies!!!!!
Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 03, 2011 06:12 PM (eOXTH)
Which means 98% will be from the same zipcode (whatever Hollyweirds zipcode is)
Posted by: Ma Bell at September 03, 2011 02:17 PM (H/MnC)
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 03, 2011 02:19 PM (o2lIv)
Today was the first time I watched a speech by this woman. My sister was watching, so I joined her. I agree with everything she said. We have a problem, it is called crony capitalism. I also liked what she said about corporate well-fare. Spot on. I will educate myself more about her policies and I may even vote for her. My mother will be happy, my sister, I'm not sure.
Posted by: Tony Lopez at September 03, 2011 02:20 PM (FUHIU)
hey dum-dum,
You never did get back to me about the many reasons I should vote for Obama. You've had more than a week. Let's hear 'em.
Posted by: Palandine at September 03, 2011 02:23 PM (g7D8V)
Posted by: katya, the designated driver at September 03, 2011 02:23 PM (44b3v)
Posted by: TheTotalConservative at September 03, 2011 02:23 PM (Uv2pf)
Jeez, M80. I've been watching the Discovery Channel all afternoon fascinated by the iron workers erecting the towers. I wasn't weepy until a few minutes ago when they started talking about the construction of the museum. Then you go and do this.
Dangit!
Posted by: As If! at September 03, 2011 02:24 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: TheTotalConservative at September 03, 2011 02:25 PM (Uv2pf)
Posted by: proudonkey at September 03, 2011 06:12 PM (NadeK)
Proof that Ace may be off base.... ProudJackAss agrees with his position.
Posted by: Romeo13 at September 03, 2011 02:27 PM (NtXW4)
Posted by: TheTotalConservative at September 03, 2011 06:23 PM (Uv2pf)
So is that a fake troll or a real one? And if this is real trolling (and a real Palin supporter and not a 0bot) THIS is what people upthread were bitching about of Palin people coming just to bash Perry.
Posted by: CaveJohnson at September 03, 2011 02:27 PM (qZD43)
Posted by: RightWingPsycho at September 03, 2011 02:28 PM (Uv2pf)
Posted by: proudonkey at September 03, 2011 06:12 PM (NadeK)
Did you ever read this blog (or any Republican blogs) before a month ago? It really doesn't seem like it.
I've said for a while she can't win and I don't have any issue with Ace posting this, but a post like this isn't remotely surprising on this site.
Posted by: AD at September 03, 2011 02:28 PM (tZyw2)
Ace is a Pathetic Perry Supporter. You are not a conservative.
Seriously?
I guarantee I'm more conservative than Ace and I am a Perry supporter. I like Palin, but I'm going for Perry.
Posted by: katya, the designated driver at September 03, 2011 02:28 PM (44b3v)
TheTotalConservative at September 03, 2011 06:25 PM (Uv2pf)
it gives me such a stiffie when i hear palinistas reference The Plan (wish i knew how to insert the trademark symbol) its such an amazing thing in which she has accounted for every variable possible on her way the white house.
Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 02:29 PM (xAq1C)
I've always liked Palin, but it's time for her to poop or get off the pot regarding whether she's running.
Obama may be a SCOAMF, but he's a SCOAMF with the entire media behind him and a campaign war chest that's going to be staggering...not to mention the union thuggery and ballot irregularities that every Dem has at his disposal. The GOP has to make a good choice quickly regarding who the nominee is going to be if that person has any hope of getting enough funding to win.
I would have liked to have seen her in a debate with the other candidates. Since she's waited so long to announce, I can only assume she's out.
Posted by: Palandine at September 03, 2011 02:30 PM (g7D8V)
Posted by: Insane Voter Posse at September 03, 2011 02:30 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: izoneguy at September 03, 2011 02:30 PM (i6Neb)
Shut the fuck up, asswipe. When we want a racist pinhead's view of the world, we'll ask you for it.
Posted by: Waterhouse at September 03, 2011 02:31 PM (yXz/E)
What I know for sure is that whoever wins the nod will need to have a thick skin and the understanding that his supporters don't.
Posted by: jwb7605 at September 03, 2011 02:32 PM (Qxe/p)
Posted by: As If! at September 03, 2011 02:33 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: katya, the designated driver at September 03, 2011 06:23 PM (44b3v)
Here on Canada's Space Channel, Doctor Who starts in half an hour. We have an hour long "Best of the Companions" special. That's either the second or third special so far.
In the official Doctor Who Tardis files, there is a 'President Obama" entry. It doesn't say that he's a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure though. Obama was on an episode, 2 years ago where he was supposed to give a televised speech to tell how he was going to end the recession. Sadly, the Master took over and by the time the Doctor restored everything, Obama's miracle plan was lost.
Art imitates life...
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 03, 2011 02:33 PM (GKQDR)
Posted by: Damn Dirty RINO at September 03, 2011 02:33 PM (+iwM3)
Sarah Palin offered more substance and made more sense today than Romney and Perry have in their entire careers. Palin is certainly running and is running against a RINO with Money and a Crooked Crony Capitalist with Bilderberg Backing and Millions from the Corporate Masters. If you want your country back vote for SARAH PALIN.
Posted by: TheTotalConservative at September 03, 2011 02:35 PM (Uv2pf)
Jeez, M80. I've been watching the Discovery Channel all afternoon fascinated by the iron workers erecting the towers. I wasn't weepy until a few minutes ago when they started talking about the construction of the museum. Then you go and do this.
Dangit!
Is that the Spielberg one? I liked the way they showed the progression on the building of the Freedom Tower and the waterfalls, as well as telling the stories of the workers. From what I've seen thus far, the museum is a beautiful tribute that effectively tells the story.
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 03, 2011 02:36 PM (o2lIv)
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 02:38 PM (nRTou)
@533, the Bilderbergers, srsly?
Stuart Mackenzie: Well, it's a well known fact, Sonny Jim, that there's a secret society of the five wealthiest people in the world, known as The Pentavirate, who run everything in the world, including the newspapers, and meet tri-annually at a secret country mansion in Colorado, known as The Meadows.
Tony Giardino: So who's in this Pentavirate?
Stuart Mackenzie: The Queen, The Vatican, The Gettys, The Rothschilds, *and* Colonel Sanders before he went tits up. Oh, I hated the Colonel with is wee *beady* eyes, and that smug look on his face. "Oh, you're gonna buy my chicken! Ohhhhh!"
Charlie Mackenzie: Dad, how can you hate "The Colonel"?
Stuart Mackenzie: Because he puts an addictive chemical in his chicken that makes ya crave it fortnightly, smartass!
--So I Married an Axe Murderer
Posted by: Palandine at September 03, 2011 02:38 PM (g7D8V)
Is this a fake troll or a real one? I'm trying to figure out whether to bother responding.
Posted by: AD at September 03, 2011 02:39 PM (tZyw2)
I've always liked Palin, but it's time for her to poop or get off the pot regarding whether she's running.
Crude, yet accurate.
Posted by: katya, the designated driver at September 03, 2011 02:39 PM (44b3v)
If you want your country back vote for SARAH PALIN.
RON PAUL!
Wait what? Things are lookin a bit similar though.
Posted by: Delta Smelt at September 03, 2011 02:39 PM (dWPyO)
Posted by: Jimmah at September 03, 2011 02:39 PM (Ky8qS)
Posted by: steevy at September 03, 2011 02:39 PM (fyOgS)
Posted by: steevy at September 03, 2011 02:40 PM (fyOgS)
Posted by: As If! at September 03, 2011 06:33 PM (piMMO)
for some reason my toolbar isnt working. but if it does again i will try that
Posted by: Insane Voter Posse at September 03, 2011 06:31 PM (GTbGH)
that did work for me! and when i inserted it in a search it found a webpage full of alt codes!!™
Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 02:40 PM (xAq1C)
Posted by: Jimmah at September 03, 2011 06:39 PM (Ky8qS)
I got drunk on Smirnoff and Coke while filling in my ballot for Palin.
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 03, 2011 02:41 PM (GKQDR)
Posted by: Dr. McCoy at September 03, 2011 02:42 PM (lpWVn)
Posted by: steevy at September 03, 2011 06:40 PM (fyOgS)
Welcome back to civilization.
15 minutes to Doctor Who....
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 03, 2011 02:42 PM (GKQDR)
Posted by: steevy at September 03, 2011 06:39 PM (fyOgS)
Finally, someone with something very intelligent to say. I salute you
Posted by: Ma Bell at September 03, 2011 02:42 PM (H/MnC)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at September 03, 2011 02:44 PM (21lBC)
I am the boss at RedState, and the corporate Neo-Puritan masters gave me permission to say so.
This is CNN, hear me roar!1!!!1!!!
Posted by: Erick Erickson at September 03, 2011 02:44 PM (le5qc)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at September 03, 2011 06:44 PM (21lBC)
+10000000000000
Posted by: CaveJohnson at September 03, 2011 02:45 PM (qZD43)
Posted by: Ma Bell at September 03, 2011 02:45 PM (H/MnC)
Posted by: Jimmah at September 03, 2011 06:39 PM (Ky8qS)
I got drunk on Smirnoff and Coke while filling in my ballot for Palin.
--------
I went to the bar when McCain lost Ohio, which meant he lost. And looked around wondering what 51% of the mother fuckers in there voted for Zero. Excuse my language, just thinking about it pisses me right the fuck off.
Posted by: Jimmah at September 03, 2011 02:45 PM (Ky8qS)
Proof that Ace may be off base.... ProudJackAss agrees with his position.
Posted by: Romeo13 at September 03, 2011 06:27 PM (NtXW4)
--Is it donkeyhotay/Dum-Dum?
Posted by: logprof at September 03, 2011 02:45 PM (lh7Yc)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 02:45 PM (nj1bB)
That's it. It is a fantastic special. No politics. No bullshit. And it's very touching to see the dedication of the workers involved at ground zero. The museum is going to be spectacular in its portrayal of those who died there.
Posted by: As If! at September 03, 2011 02:45 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at September 03, 2011 02:46 PM (21lBC)
559 I propose we talk about silicone boobies
Posted by: Ma Bell at September 03, 2011 06:45 PM (H/MnC)
Posted by: CaveJohnson at September 03, 2011 02:49 PM (qZD43)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at September 03, 2011 06:44 PM (21lBC)
--I'd be happy if someone just bumped the football thread to the top.
Posted by: logprof at September 03, 2011 02:50 PM (lh7Yc)
I don't have any (silicone, that is). Does that count.
Don't ask me, ask the morons. Anything is better than this pissing contest (like: my canditate is better than yours horseshit)
Posted by: Ma Bell at September 03, 2011 02:50 PM (H/MnC)
Posted by: steevy at September 03, 2011 02:50 PM (fyOgS)
Posted by: toby928© at September 03, 2011 02:51 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: Terrye at September 03, 2011 02:52 PM (Pr8hY)
I always liked Michael Savages' simple definition of country : Borders. Language. Culture.
I really don't think I have ever seen one citizen suffer such scrutiny and dissection and remain as upbeat, consistent and focused as Sarah Palin.
They LSM had advertised for private citizens to go through 24,000 emails, and not a peep out of them other than one live shot where the reporter said that thus far, the emails portrayed a hard-working, engaged, diligent executive seeking to do the job for which she was elected. My guess is that of 24,000 teh One emails, half would be about golf and the rest about how long TOTUS would be toting for his articulate, bullshit sessions....
For that matter, wonder how many current pols could come out of that "scandal" with no scandal....
Posted by: I <3 teh h8ters at September 03, 2011 02:52 PM (dh5Eu)
Posted by: Terrye at September 03, 2011 06:52 PM (Pr8hY)
Well, then go right back to Hot Air and leave your drivel there
Posted by: Ma Bell at September 03, 2011 02:54 PM (H/MnC)
By the way, I didn't mention the superficialities of it, but she was caterwauling. It's simply unpleasant to listen to her voice.
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 06:45 PM (nj1bB)
classy
Posted by: willow at September 03, 2011 02:59 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: SlaveDog at September 03, 2011 03:00 PM (PidTa)
Posted by: As If! at September 03, 2011 03:01 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston training for the ONT mudwrestling match at September 03, 2011 03:02 PM (ijjAe)
A music thread. It's like catnip for us oldsters.
Posted by: toby928© at September 03, 2011 03:04 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 03:05 PM (nRTou)
I did not realize just how much the Freedom Tower itself is a tribute (outside of the height and the name) until the architects and workers discussed that.
Time Magazine and Yahoo! have also been sharing stories and photographs-- including some they've tended to ignore-- without getting too much into the politics.
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 03, 2011 03:06 PM (o2lIv)
By the way, I didn't mention the superficialities of it, but she was caterwauling. It's simply unpleasant to listen to her voice.
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 06:45 PM (nj1bB)
classy
Posted by: willow at September 03, 2011 06:59 PM (h+qn
Does someone have a North Eastern accent of which they are ashamed?
Posted by: dagny at September 03, 2011 03:06 PM (zu1Oq)
Haven't those poor North Dakotans suffered enough already?
Posted by: logprof at September 03, 2011 03:07 PM (lh7Yc)
Those are almost as bad as the Palin rants, IMHO
Yeah. I'll take Palin threads over that any day.
Really despite all of our jokes/fights and all that, the tide has really turned against Palin here, at least as far as presidential ambitions go. Only some hardcore holdouts and a few trolls.
I still think we are all "overreacting" as I don't think she will run, and in a month or so this will be really old news. But perhaps I'm wishcasting.
Posted by: Delta Smelt at September 03, 2011 03:07 PM (dWPyO)
There isn't a Republican running who could have given that speech or who could persuade anybody they believe those things. Eat your heart out, frat boys.
It's brilliant strategy, as well. Palin is tapping into the zeitgeist. Corruption is the meta-theme of our time. It's why the tea party exists. And it's who Obama is and why he exists. Palin says this because she believes it, but when she talks about crony capitalism and the corrupt political class she peels herself away from the GOP herd and cuts into Obama's appeal even to old-school democrats.
Perry, Romney, et al, are the last of a dying legion. They're over. An age is over. Good riddance.
Posted by: rrpjr at September 03, 2011 03:07 PM (TToTi)
Posted by: blaster at September 03, 2011 03:08 PM (Fw2Gg)
Posted by: Blog secretary at September 03, 2011 03:08 PM (975ga)
Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston training for the ONT mudwrestling match at September 03, 2011 07:02 PM (ijjAe)
--BINGO!
This is the role for which she is most valuable, and I hope it is the one she is pursuing.
Posted by: logprof at September 03, 2011 03:08 PM (lh7Yc)
The three words, then another three words threads?
For the love of God, no. Please, no. If you have ever cared anything for your fellow man, the internet, and the fate of this country, no.
Posted by: AD at September 03, 2011 03:08 PM (tZyw2)
A music thread. It's like catnip for us oldsters.
How old though? Shall we debate Benny Goodman Vs. Tommy Dorsey?
Posted by: Delta Smelt at September 03, 2011 03:09 PM (dWPyO)
It is a bit soothing to realize that it wasn't just a matter of selecting the tallest or prettiest design.
As for the politics, of course all that will change next weekend when Teh One starts his B.S.
Posted by: As If! at September 03, 2011 03:09 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: dagny at September 03, 2011 03:10 PM (zu1Oq)
Posted by: Blog secretary at September 03, 2011 03:12 PM (975ga)
The Zeitgeist called. They to said tell her they have a headache.
Posted by: Damn Dirty RINO at September 03, 2011 03:13 PM (+iwM3)
Dark and Stormy..
LOL!
I actually agree with AD. I was just tossing out a shiny object of distraction.
The night was....
Posted by: As If! at September 03, 2011 03:14 PM (piMMO)
I thought you had some brain power, but apparently you are just as slow as the liberal pundits. Sarah Palin is not formally declaring until she is good and ready. What's your problem with her speaking about Conservatism at a Tea Party Rally??
Here's a simple story that you can ponder about one of your boys... Rick Perry
Let's hear what you have to say about this candidte who is leading in the polls.
Riddle me this one:
http://tinyurl.com/3ont4hf
Posted by: PhilipJames at September 03, 2011 03:14 PM (G9AXq)
Ella vs. Billie
Duke Ellington Vs. Count Basie?
Posted by: Delta Smelt at September 03, 2011 07:13 PM (dWPyO)
Bing Crosby > Frank Sinatra
Posted by: logprof at September 03, 2011 03:15 PM (lh7Yc)
Al Jolson versus Eddie Cantor.
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 03, 2011 03:16 PM (o2lIv)
Bing Crosby > Frank Sinatra
Blasphemy!
Leave it to a Chiefs fan to get it all wrong. Heh.
Frank Sinatra > than everybody.....yes even Sarah Palin, Hot Air fangirls.
Posted by: Delta Smelt at September 03, 2011 03:18 PM (dWPyO)
Posted by: As If! at September 03, 2011 03:19 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Blog secretary at September 03, 2011 03:19 PM (975ga)
Riddle me this one:
http://tinyurl.com/3ont4hf
Not even news. Stupid conjectures. Let's just make stuff up.
Posted by: dagny at September 03, 2011 03:19 PM (zu1Oq)
Posted by: Nickie Goomba at September 03, 2011 03:20 PM (jeLTI)
What? I could have given that speech.
Just copy paste from a few transcripts of Palin on Fox, and wa la
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 03, 2011 03:21 PM (8Zpuz)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 03:23 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 03:24 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at September 03, 2011 03:26 PM (21lBC)
Posted by: Blog secretary at September 03, 2011 03:27 PM (975ga)
#623
He just likes to provide sensible questions the Palin trolls will promptly ignore.
Btw, which country in Africa did you originally hail from?
Posted by: CAC at September 03, 2011 03:28 PM (JIB66)
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 03, 2011 04:03 PM (o2lIv)
Funny, that. I was talking to a friend in New Jersey last weekend. She said she had seen a largish crowd (100 people) outside her post office recently holding the very same signs.
Posted by: kathysaysso at September 03, 2011 03:28 PM (7nu1g)
Can you imagine all the President Barack H. Obama Memorial post offices/schools/hospitals/bridges/misc that will be built in the coming years?
Posted by: As If! at September 03, 2011 03:31 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Jimmy Durante at September 03, 2011 03:32 PM (KxADM)
Why did Sarah make the GOP buy her tens of thousands of dollars worth of new skirt-suits?
Can't believe Ace is peddling this bullshit. I haven't seen it cited anywhere that she asked for those clothes.
Eat our own if you must, but don't peddle MSM trash from 2008.
Posted by: Jose at September 03, 2011 03:33 PM (WTNJJ)
Me too. Honestly, I'm tired of her. She should either announce she's running, or announce she's not.
All she's doing is distracting from the candidates who have the guts to declare.
As they say in the old country, "She's too clever by half".
Posted by: Just Wondering at September 03, 2011 03:33 PM (p+8if)
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 03, 2011 03:33 PM (8Zpuz)
Time for President Perry.
Posted by: Peaches at September 03, 2011 03:34 PM (/ybwc)
In the '08 election I bought into the media line that she was a complete flake, mostly on account of the Couric interview (too bad the truth couldn't come out then...). Afterwards I realized she wasn't, but it really does seem by now that she's just making money off politics. Kind of like a much, much smarter Christine O'Donnell.
It's kind of sad because reading her book convinced me that she was a common-sense, hard-working person who got Americans better than anybody else. I can sympathize with that. But somewhere along the line I guess she decided she just needed to pay the bills. I can sympathize with that too. It's hard when the left puts you on their hitlist.
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 03, 2011 03:38 PM (8Zpuz)
Just because it makes your superhero saint look bad doesn't mean it's not true.
I mean, I know that's the logic Palinistas often operate upon ("bad facts = lies"), but that sort of falls apart when you have to engage reality.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 03:38 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 03, 2011 03:39 PM (8Zpuz)
I mean, I know that's the logic Palinistas often operate upon ("bad facts = lies"), but that sort of falls apart when you have to engage reality.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 07:38 PM (hIWe1)
Weren't those clothes auctioned off afterwards? I had the impression the McCain campaign was at fault.
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 03, 2011 03:40 PM (8Zpuz)
Palin has his number, he can't resist responding to her goading. He's a narcissistic SCoaMF. And she exposes it in a way that no one else can or will. And, she signs glocks. LOL
That she costs the dems millions of his war chest is good enough for me for now. She is laying the groundwork, setting the bar, supplying the fodder, framing the issues and doing all the grunt work will pay off for someone. Pray it ain't Mittens.
Posted by: I <3 teh h8ters at September 03, 2011 03:41 PM (dh5Eu)
Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 03, 2011 03:42 PM (5I0Yr)
Posted by: Jose at September 03, 2011 03:43 PM (WTNJJ)
Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 03, 2011 03:43 PM (5I0Yr)
Posted by: Steve Schmidt and Nicole Wallace at September 03, 2011 03:45 PM (WTNJJ)
Posted by: I <3 teh h8ters at September 03, 2011 03:46 PM (dh5Eu)
..."all the cool kids think she's nasty so I do too and I don't even know why" thing. Make me think conservatives are as stupid as the libs.
Posted by: dagny at September 03, 2011 07:10 PM (zu1Oq)
That's almost exactly what Breitbart said. It's the bandwagon bullshit.
Posted by: Steph at September 03, 2011 03:46 PM (hfrm2)
Of course that's typical Palin.
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 07:23 PM (nj1bB)
Post where she said that, Ace.
Posted by: Steph at September 03, 2011 03:46 PM (hfrm2)
No. Someone could still declare by late October and be just fine. But they won't. Ryan has already said no. The field is what it is, at least on our side. I can still see some Dem challenges to the SCofMF, however. Particularly if he keeps up the great work he's shown the past week.
Posted by: Peaches at September 03, 2011 03:47 PM (/ybwc)
Actually, I don't know. If that's the case, then I suppose it's not really a problem in terms of unjust enrichment. Lord knows there are enough legit hits to land on Palin that I shouldn't waste my time on unfair ones.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 03:48 PM (hIWe1)
Post where she said that, Ace.
Posted by: Steph at September 03, 2011 07:46 PM (hfrm2)
Read the post at the top.
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 03, 2011 03:49 PM (8Zpuz)
Do you not think Perry will need Palin supporters behind him to win, if he gets the nomination?
You really need to rethink your strategy.
Of course, right now above me are 615 comments, so probably you won't even see this.
Posted by: Miss Marple at September 03, 2011 03:49 PM (Fo83G)
Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 03, 2011 07:43 PM (5I0Yr)
Not really but essentially. Declaring now pretty much puts you into Fred Thompson territory of declaring. In the past now would be a more traditional time for candidates to declare (at least that was Thompson's claim.) But now its more like the time where any that want to run are at the edge of the perceived deadline.
Posted by: buzzion at September 03, 2011 03:49 PM (GULKT)
I remember that they were donated. Maybe auctioned, but either way she didn't keep them. Hell, I haven't seen her dress in suits such as those since the campaign.
Posted by: As If! at September 03, 2011 03:50 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 03:53 PM (nj1bB)
Unbelievable. Truly. You would let Obama win because someone hurt your feelings over Palin? Really?
No words.
Posted by: Slublog at September 03, 2011 03:53 PM (Jvdxe)
then she went on to her 5 points list.
which were ok to me, but i'm not really experienced at these type of speeches
Posted by: willow at September 03, 2011 03:53 PM (h+qn8)
Bingo. Bring on the DOOM. The paradigm shift needed to revert to first principles would need to be Krakatoic. IOW, it isn't happening given what we've seen so far. The whole structure is compromised and no savior will ever exist to change it. The People will need to choose, and history proves The People inevitably choose poorly. Repeatedly. We have (had?) a Republic, but we aren't keeping it. It erodes in fits and starts, but it erodes nonetheless.
We'll be rid of SCoaMF. Then what? Generations of sustained castration of the Federal behemoth and then the continued diminution of the State one? Not happening.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 03, 2011 03:54 PM (r4t7/)
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 07:48 PM (hIWe1)
Yeah I just looked it up. AP article wholecopied on HuffPo says the RNC either recovered the clothes, had them returned to stores, or had them auctioned for charity.
This URL tool is a load of crap but the link is findable through wiki.
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 03, 2011 03:54 PM (8Zpuz)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 07:24 PM (nj1bB)
The shark....you jumped it.
Posted by: Tami at September 03, 2011 03:55 PM (X6akg)
Why did Sarah make the GOP buy her tens of thousands of dollars worth of new skirt-suits?
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 07:24 PM (nj1bB)
Ace, you're fucking losing it.
Posted by: Steph at September 03, 2011 03:56 PM (hfrm2)
save the mean boy stuff for The Dems that deserve this.
Posted by: willow at September 03, 2011 03:57 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: dliu6ytg9fgk at September 03, 2011 03:58 PM (/freL)
As they say in the old country, "She's too clever by half".
Posted by: Just Wondering at September 03, 2011 07:33 PM (p+8if)
What? They aren't strong enough to stand on their own?
Posted by: Steph at September 03, 2011 03:58 PM (hfrm2)
However, the longer the hatefest goes on against any potential nominee, the more resentful that nominee's people are in the general election. The Palinistas (of which I am not one as I also like Herman Cain, Perry, and even, on off days, Romney) are an able group of self starters. They are the grass roots people you need for door-knocking, calling, mailing, etc.
There is no reason to insult them and drive them away. We are going to need all hands on board to defeat Obama. Deliberately attacking these people is counter-productive to what I assumed our goal is, getting Obama out.
Posted by: Miss Marple at September 03, 2011 03:58 PM (Fo83G)
Posted by: Darcy at September 03, 2011 03:59 PM (DeYNS)
Posted by: willow at September 03, 2011 03:59 PM (h+qn8)
No words.
Posted by: Slublog at September 03, 2011 07:53 PM (Jvdxe)
Country First bitches
Posted by: True Conservative at September 03, 2011 03:59 PM (8Zpuz)
Posted by: Peaches at September 03, 2011 04:00 PM (/ybwc)
Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 03, 2011 04:00 PM (5I0Yr)
Do you not think Perry will need Palin supporters behind him to win, if he gets the nomination?
You really need to rethink your strategy.
Of course, right now above me are 615 comments, so probably you won't even see this.
Posted by: Miss Marple at September 03, 2011 07:49 PM (Fo83G)
That's kind of a silly question actually. I mean before getting nomination I don't think he needs their support, but for the primaries they might be the difference between him walking away and it being a battle, potentially a 3 way battle.
After getting the nomination its kind of a moot point. If they are really that enthusiastic about Palin then they are likely to support her in ways similar to the 2010 elections, and they did that by getting behind the candidates she supported. And Palin is not Ron Paul and she will endorse the GOP nominee
Posted by: buzzion at September 03, 2011 04:01 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at September 03, 2011 04:01 PM (bxiXv)
What? They aren't strong enough to stand on their own?
Posted by: Steph at September 03, 2011 07:58 PM (hfrm2)
Just cause Rick Perry shrugs off bromides like a Viking beserker shrugs arrows doesn't mean that slinging them is a good thing. That's pretty obvious yo
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 03, 2011 04:02 PM (8Zpuz)
Posted by: willow at September 03, 2011 04:03 PM (h+qn8)
Yup. I think we can take that to the bank. And, if she's true to form, she will support whoever it is with great enthusiasm and vigor. God bless her.
Posted by: Peaches at September 03, 2011 04:04 PM (/ybwc)
Posted by: buzzion at September 03, 2011 08:01 PM (GULKT)
Yeah I think that is how it will happen too.
Posted by: willow at September 03, 2011 04:04 PM (h+qn8)
I do not have a candidate. I am fine with Perry or Cain or even Romney. I want whoever can beat Obama, which I assume will be decided by the GOP primary voters.
I do NOT advocate not voting for the GOP nominee if it isn't Palin. That is slub's interpretation of what I said.
I just think this hatred and insulting is not good because it looks like Palin supporters aren't wanted, and some of these people are not experienced in politics, and they will get discouraged. We need their grass roots efforts and enthusiasm come the general.
Thank you.
Posted by: Miss Marple at September 03, 2011 04:04 PM (Fo83G)
Posted by: Darcy at September 03, 2011 04:05 PM (DeYNS)
Well that tears it. Off with her head!
You gotta be shitting me? I'm going to nit-pick Perry since he's your flavor du jour, but he's kind of a slow-talkin', twangy dude. IOW, he's no silky rhetoritician himself.
Seriously, are you punking us here? Or is this some sort of tangible argument you're throwing in because, well, you feel the need to tack on a pointless feather to the bricks you're throwing?
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 03, 2011 04:05 PM (r4t7/)
someone said in here she went after Perry?
I didn't see a definate post about it, but if so she needs to encourage them not to be as strident. hell we need every body possible to win against all the dead vo5tes, and who knows perhaps illegals legal votes this election
Posted by: willow at September 03, 2011 04:06 PM (h+qn8)
Good to hear. Still, if there are those who would sit this out or not help the GOP win over personal feelings, they have a major lack of perspective.
Posted by: Slublog at September 03, 2011 04:08 PM (Jvdxe)
Damn skippy! I couldn't do what he does. Don't want to either.
Posted by: As If! at September 03, 2011 04:09 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 04:10 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: willow at September 03, 2011 08:03 PM (h+qn
Those damn moderates. I was talking to my friend the other day about Perry. He gets his news through the Colbert Report and CNN.
Me: Perry's looking pretty good about now.
Him: [instantly launching into derisive laughter] Ohh, Perry. Here you go about Perry.
Me: You don't like Perry?
Him: I wouldn't vote for him over Obama.
Of course that is retarded so I attempted to talk to him about Perry's record. Then this happened.
Me: So why would you vote for a president who's taking us into a double-dip recession
Him: You can say anything I want, I won't vote for Perry. I have a gut feeling about him.
Me: WTF
lesson learned: moderates are stupid as hell about politics
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 03, 2011 04:11 PM (8Zpuz)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 04:11 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 04:12 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 03, 2011 08:05 PM (r4t7/)
Are you really surprised about the tacking on of feathers? You are replying to Ace.
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 03, 2011 04:14 PM (8Zpuz)
sigh.
Posted by: willow at September 03, 2011 04:15 PM (h+qn8)
Wow, I guess I didn't watch the same speech. I thought she was good. She has good ideas and she put them out there. Why so much hate? I really just don't get it. I think it's sad, she hasn't done anything wrong, she's on our side, but yet look at all the in fighting. Really makes me sick.
Posted by: smalltowngirl at September 03, 2011 04:15 PM (hyUyU)
Was, yeah, and when I saw he wasn't cutting the mustard, I dropped him.
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 08:11 PM (nj1bB)
And if Perry does as well I assume you'll drop him too?
I mean based on his previous debate performances that's about a 1 in a million chance, but if he ends up being at Pawlenty's level of debate skill that would be a souring note for him wouldn't it?
Posted by: buzzion at September 03, 2011 04:16 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 04:17 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Oily Taints at September 03, 2011 04:18 PM (TUax9)
maybe we should write Palin a memo about the bad will being formented?
Posted by: willow at September 03, 2011 04:19 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 04:19 PM (nRTou)
Yeah, that's why Obama drew 'em in. I imagine it felt good to vote for Obama. Supporting the "articulate" "intellectual" who's never touched so much as a non-Ivy syllabus after he graduated high school.
The other irritating thing about moderates is that a lot of them carefully cultivate the "above-it-all" image like a preening peacock. I get the impression a lot of em think discussing politics is a way to inflate their egos via the time-honored crapping on everyone else style.
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 03, 2011 04:20 PM (8Zpuz)
Posted by: As If! at September 03, 2011 04:21 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Oily Taints at September 03, 2011 04:21 PM (TUax9)
And by "know stuff", I mean see how he handles being in the spotlight, debates, etc. He strikes an insincere chord with me. Not like Huckaf*ck, of course. Hell, I might even end up liking the guy. I would already crawl over broken glass to vote for him over Jugears.
Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 03, 2011 04:21 PM (5I0Yr)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 04:22 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: the boobie watcher at September 03, 2011 04:22 PM (S/Ars)
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 08:19 PM (nRTou)
I guess, but he could have used a better scriptwriter. The Lord of the Rings glory charge vibe was coming too close to self-parody.
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 03, 2011 04:22 PM (8Zpuz)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 04:23 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 04:24 PM (nRTou)
That really takes the pressure off us and lets us focus on the practical matters, like courting the moderates and left-leaning types!
You'll understand, then, when we have to move more and more to the "center" (meaning left, really, *wink*)
Thanks! That's a real weight off our shoulders.
Phew!
Posted by: The GOP Establishment at September 03, 2011 04:24 PM (uaEZS)
Posted by: the boobie watcher at September 03, 2011 08:22 PM (S/Ars)
now that was a scary candidate
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 03, 2011 04:25 PM (8Zpuz)
i apologise but with a rejoinder.
I still believe you are a better writer and actually a gifted writer and needn't join the bad karma club,
karma because i'm fatigued and cannot think of the correct term.
Posted by: willow at September 03, 2011 04:25 PM (h+qn8)
Yeah Perry's team need to step their game up. I signed up to volunteer a couple of weeks ago and haven't gotten any emails besides generic fundraising ones.
Posted by: Oily Taints at September 03, 2011 04:26 PM (TUax9)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 04:27 PM (nj1bB)
Not my fault, dude. That's what happens when you get one party trying to transform us into Eastern Europe by 2018, and not doing too bad a job at it. Bring on the glass.
Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 03, 2011 04:28 PM (5I0Yr)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 04:29 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: The GOP Establishment II at September 03, 2011 04:29 PM (+iwM3)
The American voting public is not made up of geniuses. But they vote.
So, you try to win friends without unnecessarily pissing people off. Because my vote, and your vote, are balanced by votes of people who don't have perspective. Where do you think Obama got all of his supporters?
Converts. It's about converts in politics. You cannot get the votes you need by calling a large chunk of your party idiots. It's just common sense.
Posted by: Miss Marple at September 03, 2011 04:30 PM (Fo83G)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 04:31 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 04:31 PM (nRTou)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 04:32 PM (nj1bB)
No, no, you misunderstand: we LOVE you, and all voters like you.
Because we don't have to do anything to earn your vote. We know you'll be there when we need you. Thanks!
One last thing, though; could you work a little harder on getting those backward social con rubes to STFU and stop making us look bad? This is way too important an election for us to have to worry about their concerns. Let 'em take it up with God. Just tell to go away until election day.
Posted by: The GOP Establishment at September 03, 2011 04:32 PM (uaEZS)
Sorry ace, I don't agree, I didn't think it was a run of the mill stump speech, I thought she had some really good ideas, ideas I haven't heard from other people, ideas I happen to agree with. I wasn't expecting any major announcements today because she said there wouldn't be, so I wasn't disappointed. I guess I just don't understand why you are so willing to look the other way in regard to some of the things Perry has done. I'm not stupid, I do understand the need to win, and having someone electable, and I understand that you think Perry is that person. But aren't you concerned at all by some of the decisions he has made?
Posted by: smalltowngirl at September 03, 2011 04:32 PM (hyUyU)
I don't want to fall in love. I want to be solid in the the idea that I'm not about to elect a person who is going to run conservative and then govern as either Lib Lite or Actual Lib under the "conservative" banner - and then hand the country back to the hyenas in four or eight years. I'm trying to imagine that you weren't being condescending there, and I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.
Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 03, 2011 04:33 PM (5I0Yr)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 04:33 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: buzzion at September 03, 2011 04:33 PM (GULKT)
Good point.
Besides that, cutting "waste, fraud, and inefficiencies" is exactly the same line Obama used about entitlements...or in other words, Prepared Non Answer 47. Not a good look.
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 03, 2011 04:34 PM (8Zpuz)
Right. So I'll make idle threats to stay home against Obama, or maybe I'll actually stay home against Obama. Great. We win.
Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 03, 2011 04:35 PM (5I0Yr)
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 04:35 PM (nRTou)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 04:35 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Rae4palin at September 03, 2011 04:35 PM (G4RRM)
Hey, I helped, too! Don't forget! Remember how I trashed her throughout the election season, starting on the night she won the primary? That was some of my best work! I'm the Architect!
Posted by: Karl Rove at September 03, 2011 04:36 PM (uaEZS)
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 04:36 PM (nRTou)
So Perry is a priori in the tank for the OMG ESTABLISHMENT now?
One last thing, though; could you work a little harder on getting those backward social con rubes to STFU and stop making us look bad? This is way too important an election for us to have to worry about their concerns. Let 'em take it up with God. Just tell to go away until election day.
Posted by: The GOP Establishment at September 03, 2011 08:32 PM (uaEZS)
Socons outside of abortion should shut the hell up.
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 03, 2011 04:36 PM (8Zpuz)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 04:37 PM (nj1bB)
I understand and agree. My problem is that in their treatment of candidates who are not-Palin, her hardcore supporters are not playing by the rules they expect us to follow regarding their chosen candidate. Visit C4P and see what they're saying about the other candidates. It's pretty amazing.
I have no interest in gratuitously insulting the supporters of another candidate, or their chosen candidate. I do have a problem, however, with the fact that those currently engaged in such behavior seem less interested in maintaining party unity than in building up Palin.
Posted by: Slublog at September 03, 2011 04:38 PM (Jvdxe)
I just don't see the wisdom in announcing, over and over, as some insist on doing, that they'll be there to pull the lever for the GOP NO MATTER WHAT!
I admit it: I'd rather they worry about it and work for it.
Posted by: Kensington at September 03, 2011 04:38 PM (uaEZS)
Posted by: The GOP Establishment II at September 03, 2011 04:38 PM (+iwM3)
I remember during 08 elections I couldn't get a McCain sign.
totally not helpful.
Posted by: willow at September 03, 2011 04:39 PM (h+qn8)
Get a grip.
Posted by: Kensington at September 03, 2011 04:40 PM (uaEZS)
Posted by: Oily Taints at September 03, 2011 04:41 PM (TUax9)
I agree when it comes to my Representative or Senator, but not Obama. Any of the current crop of candidates would make a better president. He needs to be out of that office as soon as we can get him out of there.
Posted by: Slublog at September 03, 2011 04:42 PM (Jvdxe)
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 04:42 PM (nRTou)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 04:42 PM (nj1bB)
I just don't see the wisdom in announcing, over and over, as some insist on doing, that they'll be there to pull the lever for the GOP NO MATTER WHAT!
I admit it: I'd rather they worry about it and work for it.
I understand the establishment is the enemy... you really don't have to convince me. They are not worried about comment #700 on the 80th Palin thread this week. They're not.
Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 03, 2011 04:42 PM (5I0Yr)
Heh. I sent him some money, from Maine, and got a sticker. Two, actually.
So if you're wondering where they went, sorry about that...
Posted by: Slublog at September 03, 2011 04:43 PM (Jvdxe)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 04:44 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Kensington at September 03, 2011 04:45 PM (uaEZS)
Posted by: The GOP Establishment II at September 03, 2011 04:46 PM (+iwM3)
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 04:46 PM (nRTou)
Bingo. Their logic seems to be something along the lines of "if we can increase the negatives of all the other candidates to the level of Palin's then maybe people will support her, because she's the least shitty." I also think the "oh we're just vetting all the candidates" is disingenuous when they go full oppo research on the nonPalins.
Posted by: Oily Taints at September 03, 2011 04:50 PM (TUax9)
Courage, Morons. Courage.
Posted by: Slublog at September 03, 2011 04:50 PM (Jvdxe)
Posted by: Kensington at September 03, 2011 08:45 PM (uaEZS)
Piss off. How's that?
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 03, 2011 04:51 PM (8Zpuz)
Posted by: Kensington at September 03, 2011 04:53 PM (uaEZS)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 04:54 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 08:35 PM (nRTou)
exactly! so he can vault up in to polls to where tpaw is huh?
Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 04:55 PM (xAq1C)
Posted by: Oily Taints at September 03, 2011 04:55 PM (TUax9)
Posted by: Kensington at September 03, 2011 08:53 PM (uaEZS)
Now you're stealing my material.
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 03, 2011 04:56 PM (8Zpuz)
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 04:57 PM (nRTou)
Posted by: Kensington at September 03, 2011 04:59 PM (uaEZS)
It was probably Affirmative Action.
Or maybe it was his old money connections from Paint Creek.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 04:59 PM (hIWe1)
Wow Ace warns we can expect lots of knife in the back stuff from her supporters! Wow 4 years ago Ace blamed this kind of BS on his nicotine habbit.
You're losing it. Seek help. This is the kind of tripe you expect to see at the DU or from the BCC written by some minor underling hired because he was a relative of Maxine Waters rather thasn for his talent.
Its informative to watch the speech and contrast its contents and nature with Ace's comments. Its obvious to the casual observer that we are not dealing with an honest broker here.
Posted by: Molon Labe at September 03, 2011 04:59 PM (e36+G)
This would be the sort of unnecessary bullshit that I was talking about up-thread. Don't piss and moan about criticism of Palin's ideas if you're going to go in these sorts of directions with your criticism of other candidates.
Posted by: Slublog at September 03, 2011 05:00 PM (Jvdxe)
I wouldn't mind if they were building up Palin.
They're not.
They're tearing down others.
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 08:44 PM (nj1bB)
EXACTLY!!
Posted by: prettypinkfluffypanties at September 03, 2011 05:00 PM (/uJoK)
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 08:57 PM (nRTou)
i went to his site the other day to check his appearances and such and i couldnt find a schedule. maybe its something pols dont put on their websites, i dont go to pol's websites much. i just saw a chance to get a dig in and i took it! improving his net/digital operation is certainly never a bad thing to do.
Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 05:00 PM (xAq1C)
I have cringed seeing some of the crap the Palin people put up on Twitter.
But I also cringe at some of the comments I see here.
My goal is to get Obama out. Frankly, I would even like Joe Biden in charge, short-term, since he is such a doofus he couldn't rally the dems.
Obama is a clear and present danger to this country. I am fine if Perry is the winner, or Cain, or Palin, or even Romney. Any of these people are better than Obama. My dog trainer is better than Obama. I, 62-year old grandma, am better than Obama.
The hate on both sides, Perry and Palin, needs to stop. You are not helping by encouraging the hate fests. If you disagree with Palin's positions, say so. Do not accuse her of being vague when she says the same thing in speeches that Rubio does. This is lazy analysis.
Let's talk about her ideas and whether they are workable. I have seen a few things here giving me pause on some of her positions. n the other hand, Governor Perry needs to do some explaining on some of his record.
Frankly, after all of this, Herman Cain is looking pretty good, even with his missteps.
Posted by: Miss Marple at September 03, 2011 05:01 PM (Fo83G)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 08:44 PM (nj1bB)
i've made the point that a vote they take away from someone else doesnt automatically become a vote for sarah over at hotair plenty. but its much easier to destroy someone else than to fight against sarah's huge negatives. stick fingers in ear and go lalalalalala and then smear whoever is leading atm
Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 05:02 PM (xAq1C)
They're not.
They're tearing down others.
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 08:44 PM (nj1bB)
Hardcore supporters of Palin are doing this? The devil you say! Why, you'd think it was primary season or something....
Posting '08 media smears against her accomplishes what exactly?
I'm not a C4P person. I signed onto Perry's site the day he announced. So what, C4p people come here and post crap about Perry. They are promptly rebuked.
At this point no minds will be changed on Palin, pro or con. I don't get your end game ace. You may have pro-Palin lurkers whose minds could be swayed over to Perry but you'll turn them off smearing her.
If Perry is your guy, focus the genius that is 'ace' on him...forger her. You foam at the mouth about her. There will always be trolls...
Posted by: Tami at September 03, 2011 05:03 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 05:05 PM (nj1bB)
ONCE AGAIN, Perry following Palin's lead.
/Palinista
Posted by: Oily Taints at September 03, 2011 05:05 PM (TUax9)
This permanent political and lobbyist class needs to be destroyed and not one candidate beyond Ms. Palin is making the point a main theme.
I wish we had someone who could communicate the message better with more specifics.....because at the heart of all of our problems, she nails it.
Posted by: Dan at September 03, 2011 05:05 PM (BnhTI)
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 05:08 PM (nRTou)
Ace, It's so funny that you think Palin people are tearing down others, I swear all I've been doing lately is hearing people call her a tease, saying she's in it for the money, she's a narcissist, she's playing games and on an on. I feel like I'm constantly having to defend my support for her. So I guess since you like Perry you feel like Palin supporters are tearing him down, but I think the Palin supporters would say that it's been nonstop Palin bashing at this blog and others. Maybe we're both right. I really don't know. We are all suppose to be on the same side, but passions are high, people are sick and tired of where this country is heading, and I think people are just afraid that Obama will be get a second term. I wish we could all just relax a little bit and let the Primaries play out. If Palin throws her hat in, then let them all duke it out in the debates and let the people decide respectfully.
Posted by: smalltowngirl at September 03, 2011 05:08 PM (hyUyU)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 05:09 PM (nj1bB)
Why is the constant refrain from Palinistas always one of "You're losing it, seek help!" or "You're no honest broker!" If Ace is such a dishonest Perry-whore why then did he criticize his comments about Ben Bernanke? Or initially prefer Pawlenty before he failed to take off? Why has he made it a point to find good things to say about Mitt Romney (noting, in particular, that Romney has always been an effective anti-Obama attack dog despite the fact that people seem to think that only Bachmann or Palin or other True Conservatives actually take the fight to him) even though Mitt's the number one threat to Perry?
I dunno, seems like pretty honest brokering to me. I know it's presumptuous for me to try and speak for him, but I will because it strikes me that his orientation is similar to mine: we have our preferences w/r/t candidates, but we're far more concerned with defeating Obama with the most conservative person possible than we with getting emotionally attached to any one candidate. Pawlenty seemed like a great option in theory; in practice he didn't work out, so oh well it's on to the next possible choice. Perry really seems like he might the one, but if some awful scandal comes out about him and renders him unacceptable or unelectable, I won't think twice before unsentimentally dropping him and moving to Romney. Wouldn't be thrilled about it, but I'll take it: I care about WINNING FIRST.
Now I suppose that's a "bias," but if anything it's a virtuous bias that we should all be on the same page with: what's wrong with being biased towards success? Towards the possibility of actually ousting Obama from office? Every one of our candidates has promised to repeal Obamacare (first through executive action, then legislatively when/if possible), and to get regulatory monster off the backs of business, and to take a crack at reforming entitlements...Obama won't even PROMISE any of these things, much less do them. Therefore, my priority is getting not-Obama into office, and I'll back the most conservative candidate who can possibly do that.
Anyone have a problem with that?
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 05:09 PM (hIWe1)
But some C4P'ers have the mantra down that if you oppose Palin, you're a misogynist, and that's not an identity-politics bullshit line, that's just the truth.
Right?
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 09:05 PM (nj1bB)
in your case it is bullshit,
but as you do know some people are indeed racist and indeed misogynist.
However I don't think it's helpful for it to be bandied , it will become less effective just as screams of racism is becoming.
and real stuff that might need to be addressedwill actually likely be ignored
Posted by: willow at September 03, 2011 05:10 PM (h+qn8)
When you go on and on about Rubio's speeches (without specifics) and then attack Palin for having no specifics, what am I to think?
When her speech, which had more details than Perry's announcement speech, is attacked as having no details, what am I to think?
When I see post after post talking about having sex with her but not wanting her as a candidate, without one bit of objection from you, what am I to think?
When I hear her called a cheerleader, talk about her boobies, hear her called an attention-whore, and there is no objection from you, what am I to think?
Maybe I am missing something here, but I don't think you are treating her with the same respect that you give Romney, who is far less conservative than she is.
Posted by: Miss Marple at September 03, 2011 05:12 PM (Fo83G)
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 09:08 PM (nRTou)
Well, I guess I don't understand why you decided to go snarky with me.
uh, because its the friggin internets!!
as i said im sure improvements could be made and i hope he addresses it before the primary. just not sure how much it really hurts a candidate to have a poor site as long as he is good on the issues.
Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 05:12 PM (xAq1C)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 05:12 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 05:13 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: willow at September 03, 2011 05:15 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 05:15 PM (nj1bB)
Or was she speaking about a purported campaign?
World of difference. If she promised specifics in this speech, and if she failed to deliver (jury out on this yet as I haven't seen the speech) then she made a big error.
On the other hand, if she was talking about her campaign, promising policy statements and such, then this criticism is off-base.
Anyone have a link or a quote from Palin?
Posted by: Miss Marple at September 03, 2011 05:15 PM (Fo83G)
Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 05:15 PM (xAq1C)
Posted by: Rewrite! at September 03, 2011 05:16 PM (d7Px0)
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 05:16 PM (nRTou)
You were disappointed. Maybe.
Get over yourself.
I am done. You have made your bed, now lie in it.
Posted by: Miss Marple at September 03, 2011 05:16 PM (Fo83G)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 05:17 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: willow at September 03, 2011 05:17 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: Oily Taints at September 03, 2011 05:17 PM (TUax9)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 05:18 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Harpies4Palin at September 03, 2011 05:19 PM (+iwM3)
Posted by: Ann at September 03, 2011 05:20 PM (vLPQl)
>>>When her speech, which had more details than Perry's announcement speech, is attacked as having no details, what am I to think?
I don't think you get that the unspoken predicate behind Rubio/Perry vs. Palin is that, unlike Palin, they already have substantive records in office that render an otherwise platitudinous stump speech acceptable: we don't have to worry about them being empty suits who are spouting easy, poll-tested platitudes without any actual substantive experience because they have LONG records of accomplishment already. Perry is the longest-serving governor of America's most successful state. Rubio (who, note, is actually still considered a bit too young by some) was the Florida State Senate Majority Leader before he got elected to the Senate: his political experience on the state level wasn't merely as a back-bencher but as the guy responsible for leading an entire caucus and moving legislation. These are things which make people think "yeah, they've got the chops and the know-how to actually accomplish stuff on a nuts-and-bolts level."
Meanwhile, Palin is a half-term governor of a sleepy state without any substantive opposing party whose very few supposed "accomplishments" actually turned out to be vaporware (the pipeline, which is never getting built) or debacles (the ethics law, which was so poorly written that it was turned against her, as her fans constantly remind us...like it's an advertisement for her political skill to have championed such a crap piece of legislation?).
See the difference? We don't look at a "generalities" speech by Rubio or Perry and think "gee, this guy is just preaching to the choir" because we know they've already come a long way and accomplished a lot on a political level. And, as current officeholders (and officeseekers), they're taking genuine risks in putting themselves out there with stuff like entitlement reform. Meanwhile Palin has been doing nothing but be a professional entertainer since 2009.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 05:20 PM (hIWe1)
A good start to proving your sincerity? Stop trashing other candidates.
Posted by: Slublog at September 03, 2011 05:21 PM (Jvdxe)
What time zone are you in, Ann? Because here in the great state of Califuckya, it's been September since Thursday.
Posted by: Peaches at September 03, 2011 05:22 PM (/ybwc)
Indeed, she was. Now many those who complain about how unfairly she was treated by the media are actually assisting that same media in going after Rick Perry. Good job, folks. You and the 'lamestream' media are on the same side. Way to go.
Posted by: Slublog at September 03, 2011 05:23 PM (Jvdxe)
Posted by: willow at September 03, 2011 05:25 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 09:16 PM (nRTou)
its very likely i didnt go to either campaign's website during that race. i dont remember anything about either. i would think the digital/internet is more important for GOTV than it is for actual campaigning.
Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 05:25 PM (xAq1C)
Posted by: willow at September 03, 2011 05:26 PM (h+qn8)
You are talking about experience, which is a fine template on which to judge candidates.
However, experience is not what was criticized in ace's post. He criticized the speech as being without substance.
If you don't like her because you think she is weak on experience, well, that is a valid objection when comparing her with Perry. But jumping on the speech in itself is bogus.
Posted by: Miss Marple at September 03, 2011 05:26 PM (Fo83G)
Posted by: Oily Taints at September 03, 2011 05:27 PM (TUax9)
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 05:29 PM (nRTou)
Posted by: Harpies4Palin at September 03, 2011 05:29 PM (+iwM3)
I think Rubio is the greatest speaker our side has....hands down. Damn I wish he were a little older.
Posted by: Tami at September 03, 2011 05:29 PM (X6akg)
Ann at September 03, 2011 09:20 PM (vLPQl)
holy crap, thats weak sauce. EVERY candidate says they arent running. up until they announce they are running.
at least he didnt quit his governorship,
Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 05:32 PM (xAq1C)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 05:32 PM (nj1bB)
and i really hadn't noticed regulars no matter who their desired candidate is or was. attacking Perry. I think we're all hoping for a conservative win.
anyway , i'm for a conservative win and am a little afraid of the end result of not getting everyone on board to vote for the desired candidate .
Posted by: willow at September 03, 2011 05:33 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: Shrews4Palin at September 03, 2011 05:33 PM (+iwM3)
Also, Romney never said he wasn't running. Neither did Pawlenty.
Posted by: Miss Marple at September 03, 2011 05:33 PM (Fo83G)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 05:34 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 05:34 PM (nRTou)
Who were you on Free Republic? The harpies thing was a dead giveaway.
Posted by: Miss Marple at September 03, 2011 09:32 PM (Fo83G)
yeah brings back memories of old dried cnts and crap from Obamabots because women won't vote the best guy for woemn.
Posted by: willow at September 03, 2011 05:35 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: The Palinista at September 03, 2011 05:35 PM (TUax9)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 05:36 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Harpies4Palin at September 03, 2011 05:36 PM (+iwM3)
Posted by: willow at September 03, 2011 05:36 PM (h+qn8)
They're not.
They're tearing down others.
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 08:44 PM (nj1bB)
As opposed to what? Other blogs not tearing down Palin?
Posted by: Steph at September 03, 2011 05:37 PM (hfrm2)
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 05:37 PM (nRTou)
Ace, I think your comment about the dresses didn't do you any favors and did not actually get the point across you were hoping to since it seems like your point for it was "If C4P want to use a hack liberal paper as a basis of attacking Perry, then let's use hack liberal papers to attack Palin, because they think they're legitimate."
It was lacking in substance for that sort of thing.
Posted by: buzzion at September 03, 2011 05:39 PM (GULKT)
This is the first and last time I'll ever say this, but his voice sorta sounds kind of gay.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 05:40 PM (hIWe1)
did i tell you about a kid across the street coming home from middle school about 6 mths ago. a gang ran up to him and started wiping him out, I watched in terror, and decided well do something!
i ran outside , now mothers are coming back from picking their kids up from school, I said get out of your cars and help me! (all the kids are in the middle of the street ) they did. the kids were dispersed police were called, kid taken to the hospital broken arms and leg. split lips and black eyes,
Why, am i telling this?
It's a fault of mine , I have little brain and all emotion when i see something bad happening to someone else.
just reflex.
i need to work on it.
Posted by: willow at September 03, 2011 05:41 PM (h+qn8)
Cut the drama. That's not at all what I meant. I don't give two craps if you criticize Perry, Romney and actively encourage you to criticize Huntsman. However, the criticism should be idea and policy based, not whether a candidate had a good college GPA. That's just pointless.
Just FYI, you are aware that perestroika means "restructuring" and was a word used to describe a Russian freedom movement, right? Respect the pa-rooksi, tovarish.
Posted by: Slublog at September 03, 2011 05:41 PM (Jvdxe)
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 05:42 PM (nRTou)
Posted by: The Palinista at September 03, 2011 05:43 PM (TUax9)
Posted by: Miss Marple at September 03, 2011 09:33 PM (Fo83G)
so thats your knock on perry? that at one time he said he wasnt going to run for president? because almost a year ago he wasnt going to run and now that he has you just cant trust him? but you trust a woman who quit an elected position because the pressure got her?
Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 05:43 PM (xAq1C)
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 09:37 PM (nRTou)
all that's missing is a blimp...
Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 05:44 PM (xAq1C)
Lets sum it all up
- Palin sucks,
- All you Palinistas can go to hell
- I've narrowed my vote down to Obama or Mittens.
- Later, losers!
Why take 1126 words when it can all be summed up in 24?
Posted by: Afterseven at September 03, 2011 05:44 PM (qWeYU)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 05:45 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Steph at September 03, 2011 09:37 PM (hfrm2)
these other candidates dont have over 70% of their own party saying they shouldnt run. you cant win over voters by insulting them and the candidate they support.
Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 05:46 PM (xAq1C)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at September 03, 2011 05:46 PM (NFK5k)
Perry is fine. If he's the nominee, I will support him enthusiastically (absent some unknown controversy that makes him a loser).
My point is that Perry DID say he wasn't running, right up until he decided to do so. That is just as inconsistent as someone who doesn't make a decision on Karl Rove's timetable.
Posted by: Miss Marple at September 03, 2011 05:46 PM (Fo83G)
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 05:46 PM (nRTou)
Posted by: Oily Taints at September 03, 2011 05:47 PM (TUax9)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 09:32 PM (nj1bB)
Maybe it's me....I really enjoy listening to him. His delivery, his style, his voice, his command of the facts...I just like him.
Here's his CPAC speech: http://tinyurl.com/3zhm8kr
His Maiden senate speech: http://tinyurl.com/4y2ntj5
His take down of Kerry in the senate: http://tinyurl.com/42txbc9
His Reagan Library speech: http://tinyurl.com/429lfkc (He begins speaking at the 7m mark.)
Posted by: Tami at September 03, 2011 05:48 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: Miss Marple at September 03, 2011 09:46 PM (Fo83G)
well of course he said he wasnt running up until he did decide to run, because until he decided to run he wasnt running!! geez, you really think your making sense?
he started admitting he was thinking about running a couple of months back, he decided about a month ago and announced.
Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 05:48 PM (xAq1C)
Posted by: willow at September 03, 2011 05:50 PM (h+qn8)
That was my point.
My point is that if you want to toss out a lot of oppo research, well, there is some on Palin, too.
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 09:45 PM (nj1bB)
I'm assuming you meant wasn't. I don't think you really succeeded in that oppo research point either.
Posted by: buzzion at September 03, 2011 05:50 PM (GULKT)
That's something that also irks me. Hey, Palin: YOU ENDORSED O'DONNELL, REMEMBER? What's your problem with sharing a stage with her? Got something you'd like to tell us about her, maybe?
See, the thing is, if Palin said "yeah I endorsed her, and it was a mistake -- she was a terrible, shady candidate and she's now an embarrassment" then I'd actually give her points for honesty (BIG points). But Palin doesn't want to either own up to her error OR live with the consequences of maintaining her position that Christine O'Donnell was just a peachykeen choice for DE-SEN. She just wants it to go away.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 05:51 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 05:52 PM (nj1bB)
At what point is it disingenuous to say you aren't running?
Don't know. Fact is, he did. Then he changed his mind. Has he said he changed his mind? I can't keep up with everything, so maybe he did.
My POINT is that all candidates waffle, waver, make missteps, and then press on. Some will rise and some will fall.
Why is it that Palin's wavering and missteps are poison, while Perry's are simply SOP?
Posted by: Miss Marple at September 03, 2011 05:52 PM (Fo83G)
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 05:52 PM (nRTou)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 05:54 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: cherry pi at September 03, 2011 05:54 PM (OhYCU)
Posted by: willow at September 03, 2011 09:50 PM (h+qn
you think you have some clever little rejoinder but its falling flat. if ryan changes his mind and jumps in i have no problem. but palinistas seem to think ever saying you wont run for president should be a disqualifying statement to ever running.
Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 05:54 PM (xAq1C)
The lesson everyone should take from Delaware is that when people are pissed off enough about an establishment republican candidate, they will elect a complete doofus as their nominee, because they hate the establishment guy so much.
Regarding palin's endorsement, I imagine she looked at a paper with O'Donnell's psitions on certain issues. She did not look at a psychiatric evaluation. I think she will be smarter on future endorsements.
And she should have a private talk with O'Donnell and get the whole thing to fade away.
Posted by: Miss Marple at September 03, 2011 05:55 PM (Fo83G)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 05:56 PM (nj1bB)
ummm.. did you miss the part where she talked about this?
Posted by: cherry pi at September 03, 2011 05:57 PM (OhYCU)
In which case she either won't run, or she will run and flop.
So why is everyone so upset?
Posted by: Miss Marple at September 03, 2011 05:57 PM (Fo83G)
Posted by: willow at September 03, 2011 05:57 PM (h+qn8)
But that was my point. I don't see what's wrong with that point.
It's a tit for tat thing. Why is that hard to understand?
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 09:54 PM (nj1bB)
I don't think there's anything wrong with it. I just don't think your comment really got that acrossed. At least it didn't for me.
Posted by: buzzion at September 03, 2011 05:57 PM (GULKT)
A lot of people traveled a very long way and sat out in the rain for something that was suggested just might be The Big Announcement. A lot of people watched on TV.
And what they saw was a no-brainer stump speech.
Who's being pranked here?I think you are, since it was already well known she wasn't announcing today.
Posted by: cherry pi at September 03, 2011 05:58 PM (OhYCU)
At what point is it disingenuous to say you aren't running?
Don't know. Fact is, he did. Then he changed his mind. Has he said he changed his mind? I can't keep up with everything, so maybe he did.
My POINT is that all candidates waffle, waver, make missteps, and then press on. Some will rise and some will fall.
Why is it that Palin's wavering and missteps are poison, while Perry's are simply SOP?
Posted by: Miss Marple at September 03, 2011 09:52 PM (Fo83G)
Palin has been unofficially running since the day she quit as governor. But now that the election is actually here, she apparently can't decide -- despite the fact that she's releasing online videos, a movie about herself, and giving "major" speeches. The part where she wants a ton of attention and support without making a decision doesn't make her look good.
Posted by: robviously at September 03, 2011 05:58 PM (XYpRn)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 05:58 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Miss Marple at September 03, 2011 09:52 PM (Fo83G)
well maybe you prefer someone who wont make up their mind. to me i dont care about either. say you arent running, say you havent made up your mind. no biggie, to hold it against a candidate later is just lame. if thats your biggest problem w/ perry then stay away, we dont want someone as anal as you supporting team rick
Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 05:58 PM (xAq1C)
Or is this just bogus crap to make you look smart?
Cough up. I would rather have a complete flame war than this constant smarmy hinting.
Posted by: Miss Marple at September 03, 2011 05:59 PM (Fo83G)
Thing is, they don't really believe that. It's just a convenient avenue of escape to keep from having to talk about the fact that she quit her job and has about 8 fewer years of executive experience than Rick Perry as a consequence.
Posted by: Damn Dirty RINO at September 03, 2011 06:00 PM (+iwM3)
I think you're probably right about this.
And this is as damning an indictment of Palin as you could imagine.
Because it's not rocket science to understand that a candidate is more than the mere sum of their policy positions. The actual person themselves matters, too. And unlike some other Tea Party losers (like say Dan Maes) it wasn't like O'Donnell was an unknown whose skeletons came as a surprise: she'd been running for office in Delaware (and losing) for years. Her troubles were widely known long before Palin offered her endorsement.
That Palin was supremely negligent (especially when the stakes were so friggin' high and had such important real-world consequences) is a massive strike against her.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 06:00 PM (hIWe1)
But if some want to run around with matches, well, let the barbecue begin.
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 09:56 PM (nj1bB)
You'd be better served throwing gasoline at them, than running around with matches yourself though.
Posted by: buzzion at September 03, 2011 06:00 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 06:00 PM (nj1bB)
In what universe do you tell people you don't want their vote? That is not a winning strategy.
Did you read the entire thread? Do you realize that I said I would support Perry enthusiastically if he was the nominee?
And now you are telling me you don't want my vote? Why?
Posted by: Miss Marple at September 03, 2011 06:01 PM (Fo83G)
Traffic. Gold.
Posted by: Oily Taints at September 03, 2011 06:01 PM (TUax9)
The lesson everyone should take from Delaware is that when people are pissed off enough about an establishment republican candidate, they will elect a complete doofus as their nominee, because they hate the establishment guy so much.
Posted by: Miss Marple at September 03, 2011 09:55 PM (Fo83G)
Which was, and remains, a brilliant strategy BTW. Nice job cutting off your nose to spite your face.
And don't say you "sent a message." The only message anyone got out of the O'Donnell debacle is that some conservatives are dumb enough to support terrible candidates so long as they claim to be "tea party" or "non-establishment."
Posted by: robviously at September 03, 2011 06:01 PM (XYpRn)
It's bullshit to equate everyone that supports Palin as being a Palinista or being from C4P. We all have people we prefer, but we can't be lumped together. Hell, I support Palin, and most here know it, but even I think some of the crap spewed by diehards (of more than just Palin) are over the top in vitriol.
When I chime in, it's usually because I think something that has been said is unfair or untrue, and some here are damn good at spouting their belief as fact. And many are repeating crap spewed by the media that they lambast on a daily basis. Most don't know half of what they think they know about any of the candidates or potential candidates. They are just repeating shit they hear from someone else that doesn't know what the hell they're talking about either.
I love this blog, but some days facts are totally lost. It's great to have discussions and even disagreements, but for a blog that praises itself on having some of the smartest commenters, damn, I suspect some of you spouting off actually know you're full of shit.
Posted by: Steph at September 03, 2011 06:02 PM (hfrm2)
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 06:02 PM (nRTou)
Basically, as it stands now, Perry wins the nomination and therefore the presidency. If Palin jumps in, then Romney gets the nomination and the presidency. Some folks don't like that scenario, but they don't discount it.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at September 03, 2011 06:03 PM (NFK5k)
The possible. flaw I see is that Palin thinks everyone is like her in honesty and straightforwardness. More cynical people like me know this is not true.
It's why she got sucked into this tea party thing today, why she got snookered into endorsing O'Donnell, and why she gave the interview to Katie Couric.
On the other hand, she IS willing to go after Obama, which not all candidates have been willing to do.
Let her run if she wants, and we will see what happens. If she is a bad candidate, she won't make it past New Hampshire.
Posted by: Miss Marple at September 03, 2011 06:05 PM (Fo83G)
Posted by: Miss Marple at September 03, 2011 10:01 PM (Fo83G)
then vote for rick if you want, but stop the crap w/ acting upset because he played the same announcement game every single frigging candidate has in my entire lifetime. well except for ones like huntsman that just up and announce because no one ever thought to ask him beforehand if he was running to give him a chance to deny it. its part of the game, deny your running or say you havent decided. if you hold it against a candidate then as i said before you being way too anal
Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 06:05 PM (xAq1C)
>>>Or is this just bogus crap to make you look smart?
No, for god's sake, no. He's simply saying that a lot of Palin-skeptics phrase their opposition to her in neutral, non-offensive terms such as "the polls say she can't win" or "she doesn't have enough experience in office." (Of course, Palinistas inevitably shriek that EVEN THIS is 'too personal' and 'unfair,' which sort of proves the point.)
When Palin-skeptics COULD, instead, criticize her in a lot of more explosive (yet equally valid) terms: She has a track record of flaky diva behavior (e.g., her various scheduling antics). She quit her one position of real responsibility in order to make money. She lacks any sense of proper gravitas or political instincts, as evidenced by the stupid reality TV show where she invited Kate of Jon & Kate + 8 on to help in the further beclowning. She's amazingly thin-skinned, as evidenced by a litany of attacks on various people and media personalities (the unfair sliming of Rick Santorum being one that really stands out). Oh, and she doesn't seem to be that smart. In fact, she seems pretty dumb.
See what I mean?
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 06:06 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 06:06 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Durka at September 03, 2011 06:09 PM (QjrRF)
Posted by: Oily Taints at September 03, 2011 06:09 PM (TUax9)
Posted by: Miss Marple at September 03, 2011 10:05 PM (Fo83G)
wow!! so when things go against sarah she was "snookered in" and when things go good for her its just all part of her political genius playing out The Plan™
Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 06:10 PM (xAq1C)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 06:10 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 06:12 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 09:46 PM (xAq1C)
Yeah, no shit Sherlock.
Posted by: Steph at September 03, 2011 06:13 PM (hfrm2)
Posted by: Oily Taints at September 03, 2011 10:09 PM (TUax9)
Point of order: Could someone list the AOS acceptable colleges and universities. Ivy's aren't it and yet neither are a whole host of others....so I'd just like to know the moron approved colleges.
/sheesh
Posted by: Tami at September 03, 2011 06:14 PM (X6akg)
I agree, all of our candidates are going to be vetted, but the criteria should be fair. That's all I'm saying. GPA is irrelevant.
and I don't know my Russian very well.
Well, nobody's perfect. :-D
Posted by: Slublog at September 03, 2011 06:14 PM (Jvdxe)
Posted by: Steph at September 03, 2011 10:13 PM (hfrm2)
context much?? taht was in reference to someone polling down by ron paul atm. if perry was sucking hindtit i wouldnt be trolling around tearing other candidates down
Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 06:15 PM (xAq1C)
Posted by: Durka at September 03, 2011 06:15 PM (QjrRF)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 06:16 PM (nj1bB)
>>>Instead she doubled-down on folksiness and "authenticity," which seems to be code for "not all filled with book-learnin'."
Yes, but this presumes facts not in evidence. Namely, that her goal was the Presidency. I think her goal was to maximize her cash flow and her celebrity -- and understand that I don't even necessarily think that's a bad thing. Lord knows that if I were in her position I'd have done the same damn thing every single time.
The problem is that I think that now that she's gotten up into the stratosphere, she doesn't want to come back down. It's too good. Too fun. Makes her feel too wonderful, to be the constant focus of media attention, to have a throng of devoted supporters, to have everyone wondering "will she or won't she?" So she doesn't want to pull the trigger and say "nah, I'm not running." She's rightfully afraid that it will all go away if she does. Which is where we stand today -- all this coy teasing.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 06:17 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 06:18 PM (nRTou)
Posted by: Oily Taints at September 03, 2011 06:18 PM (TUax9)
Like not realizing that if the big knock on her was that she might not be smart enough for the job, she had to combat that by hitting the books and doing five or six wonky interviews to reverse that.
Instead she doubled-down on folksiness and "authenticity," which seems to be code for "not all filled with book-learnin'."
I said she would continue to lose support if she did that. Her supporters insisted I was wrong, that her down-home charm would be enough to win support.
Well, I hate to be the one to point out I told you so, but I did tell you so, and you insisted I was wrong, and said "Let sarah be sarah!," and here we are.
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 10:12 PM (nj1bB)
Ace, you're forgetting her all-time worst political decision: agreeing to be McCain's VP nominee when she knew that her unmarried teenage daughter was pregnant by her dirtbag boyfriend. She didn't think that would be a mess once it became public? That it would reflect poorly on her, rightly or wrongly? Or that it would be an enormous distraction for a campaign that needed all the help it could get against a hostile media in love with the Democrat nominee?
Accepting McCain's offer under those circumstances was just mind-blowingly idiotic.
Posted by: robviously at September 03, 2011 06:18 PM (XYpRn)
I would rather hear those types of objections than the stuff I have seen here.
I think you are probably right about the "This is wrong" thing, and she has been swept into a current she didn't anticipate.
I do think she has a fairly deep knowledge of energy policy, but I don't think foreign affairs were a natural fit for her. (Of course many candidates fall into this mold, being as they come from local elections.)
The O'Donnell endorsement, as I told Jeff, was a big mistake and revealed a naivete about candidates that a more seasoned political person wouldn't have.
I will give her a huge credit for the "death panels" thing and for getting under Obama's skin. More candidates should take a page from her book on that.
It would be hard not to feel victimized having gone through the media trashing she underwent in 2008, much of it done with purposeful maliciousness, as we know from the journolistas. Especially the attacks on her children.
These comments you are NOW making after 1600 posts are more like the type of objections I would like to see in those who support other candidates.
Why didn't you post these types of things, instead of what you did initially? Your comments in post #885 are succinct, easy to understand, and factual, without snark, and make people think.
Why waste time on all of the other stuff?
Posted by: Miss Marple at September 03, 2011 06:19 PM (Fo83G)
Oh, great, ace. You've become "that guy."
And by "that guy" I mean Jeff B of course. :-D
Posted by: Slublog at September 03, 2011 06:19 PM (Jvdxe)
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 06:21 PM (nRTou)
Yeah, and in a purely logical sense you make a good point, but I can't hold this one against her. When someone offers you a shot at the Vice-Presidency, and you're the obscure governor of a small-time state with absolutely no other chance for national advancement...unless you've actually murdered a hooker and are hiding the body in your closet, you take it.
And keep in mind, she informed McCain of Bristol's pregnancy. He had the opportunity to withdraw the offer, but he went ahead. I think if you're going to blame anyone for that, it should be him.
(See what I did there? I defended Sarah Palin.)
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 06:22 PM (hIWe1)
Do you people even bother to read The Atlantic?
Posted by: Andrew Sullivan at September 03, 2011 06:25 PM (TUax9)
Posted by: Oily Taints at September 03, 2011 10:09 PM (TUax9)
Yeah, those colleges are just about as bad as Eureka, right?
Damn, some of you are just asswipes.
Posted by: Steph at September 03, 2011 06:26 PM (hfrm2)
Yeah, and in a purely logical sense you make a good point, but I can't hold this one against her. When someone offers you a shot at the Vice-Presidency, and you're the obscure governor of a small-time state with absolutely no other chance for national advancement...unless you've actually murdered a hooker and are hiding the body in your closet, you take it.
And keep in mind, she informed McCain of Bristol's pregnancy. He had the opportunity to withdraw the offer, but he went ahead. I think if you're going to blame anyone for that, it should be him.
(See what I did there? I defended Sarah Palin.)
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 10:22 PM (hIWe1)
No, you don't take it. You come to terms with reality and accept that it's the wrong offer at the wrong time both for you and your family.
Sure, we can blame McCain too, but we've always known he was a moron. That's not exactly helping her case.
Posted by: robviously at September 03, 2011 06:27 PM (XYpRn)
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 06:28 PM (nRTou)
People like me, who once defended Palin against all comers always assumed there was a certain savvy beneath all the folksiness -- a switchblade hidden in the overalls -- and that it would come out in a devastating way when called for. That's what makes prairie populism effective; gulling your opposition into painting you as a wide-eyed bumpkin only to slip a blade into their ribcage while they're having a laugh.
That has never materialized. And had she spent the time since 2008 developing that kind of killer instinct as opposed to a parking lot brawler, I'd still be defending her as doggedly as I did back then. But, I have yet to see any evidence that she's honed that skill. In fact, it seems to me that she's actively resisted it out of some sense of loyalty to her true-believing base -- as if immersing herself in the art of political combat at the national level would be a betrayal to her stump speech persona.
Now, I'm actually skeptical as to whether or not she's capable of it. She's still a young woman and has time to correct that issue. But, right now, she seems content to lob grenades into the fray from the sidelines without regard to who gets taken out. And that has a way of alienating people.
Posted by: Damn Dirty RINO at September 03, 2011 06:28 PM (+iwM3)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 06:28 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Edgie at September 03, 2011 06:29 PM (kAvZF)
1. Ripping Perry for his substandard GPA: A-OK!
2. Ripping Palin for her going to colleges most people haven't heard of: DO NOT!
Posted by: Oily Taints at September 03, 2011 06:29 PM (TUax9)
No, for god's sake, no. He's simply saying that a lot of Palin-skeptics phrase their opposition to her in neutral, non-offensive terms such as "the polls say she can't win" or "she doesn't have enough experience in office." (Of course, Palinistas inevitably shriek that EVEN THIS is 'too personal' and 'unfair,' which sort of proves the point.)
See what I mean?
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 10:06 PM (hIWe1)
Yeah, you've always been one of the best at keeping your opposition to her neutral and non-offensive, right? Good job.
Posted by: Steph at September 03, 2011 06:30 PM (hfrm2)
Posted by: Oily Taints at September 03, 2011 06:32 PM (TUax9)
context much?? taht was in reference to someone polling down by ron paul atm. if perry was sucking hindtit i wouldnt be trolling around tearing other candidates down
Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 10:15 PM (xAq1C)
Um, could someone translate that for me?
Posted by: Steph at September 03, 2011 06:33 PM (hfrm2)
No, I haven't -- and it's caused friction here in the past. That's utterly beside the point, though. The point is that many people who are NOT me (we've already established that I have a mild 'rhetorical filter' problem) feel compelled to phrase their objections to Palin in very neutral terms because they don't want to get into the real, visceral reasons they find her wildly unacceptable. That includes Ace as well, who I've noticed never puts these sorts of objections to Palin in his actual posts (where most people will read), but rather saves them for the comments (where fewer will see).
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 06:34 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: buzzion at September 03, 2011 06:34 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 06:35 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 06:36 PM (nRTou)
What'sa matter Ace?
Did somebody steal your last beer?
Posted by: CPT. Charles at September 03, 2011 06:36 PM (1GunI)
Posted by: not the droid you seek at September 03, 2011 06:38 PM (xc/va)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 06:39 PM (nj1bB)
Your adding the "make more money" and "she didn't want to do it anymore" is just pure fantasy, thrown out there to make her look bad.
I seriously thought you could make a decent case without this crap. Guess I overestimated you.
Think I will call it a night. All I am doing is raising my blood pressure and getting myself worked up, which is not helpful.
Good night, everyone!
Posted by: Miss Marple at September 03, 2011 06:40 PM (Fo83G)
Laughable. No context yet again on the circumstances of her resigning. She just upped and left because of the pressure!eleventy! No note of SLAPP suits in play. No indication that her hands were legally bound for her own defense. No mention of the fund that she tried to create for legal defense was disallowed. No word about how her resignation removed the political circus from her office to the benefit of AK. Nope. In the disingenuous world of O'Spades, Palin wussed out.
What a pathetic argument. Some of your positions are clearly debatable. I disagree with most but the views can be argued. But that "quitting" meme is straight out of the fetid swamps of HuffPo. That's a sin of omission that really needs work.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 03, 2011 06:40 PM (r4t7/)
Posted by: cherry π at September 03, 2011 06:40 PM (OhYCU)
Posted by: Concealed Kerry or submit at September 03, 2011 10:34 PM (tHnoW)
wouldnt a "good option" have been to work the legislature to change what is obviously a bad law? she was the governor and a popular one at that. pointing out flaws in that law and working to change them would have shown some leadership. she took the easy way out.
Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 06:41 PM (xAq1C)
Man if you had written this shit way upthread, I'd put the over/under on the number of times a Palinista says "rent free in your head" at about 250.
Posted by: Oily Taints at September 03, 2011 06:41 PM (TUax9)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 06:41 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 06:42 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: BurtTC at September 03, 2011 06:42 PM (Gc/Qi)
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 10:34 PM (hIWe1)
Yeah, we know everyone comes here for the posts, and most don't read the comments.
Some of you should think before you comment.
Posted by: Steph at September 03, 2011 06:43 PM (hfrm2)
Not a bad idea to consider.
True conservatives, though, impose windfall taxes on major industries in their states. At least, that's what I've heard.
Posted by: Slublog at September 03, 2011 06:43 PM (Jvdxe)
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 03, 2011 10:40 PM (r4t7/)
none of that is why she quit. she quit because she didnt wanna be a lame duck governor and be forced to travel or some such. i dont know, reading the resignation speech just doesnt fully explain any of it.
Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 06:43 PM (xAq1C)
Posted by: cherry π at September 03, 2011 06:44 PM (OhYCU)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 06:44 PM (nj1bB)
Simply put, it was easier and more lucrative to walk away and rake in the dough that would've gone to the legal defense fund.
Posted by: Damn Dirty RINO at September 03, 2011 06:45 PM (+iwM3)
Damn, I didn't realize you made up "most people." And somebody else ripped on the GPA.
Posted by: Oily Taints at September 03, 2011 06:46 PM (TUax9)
Posted by: Concealed Kerry or submit at September 03, 2011 10:43 PM (tHnoW)
yeah, governors work w/ legislatures to change laws. she had a perfect example of how those ethics laws arent working as intended. that they allow frivolous complaints. most alaskans would agree it needs to be changed. she didnt even try.
your over the top shrill response and "examples" of others who would like to have laws change shows you are sputtering and have no answer. bad laws are changed all the time,
Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 06:46 PM (xAq1C)
Posted by: cherry π at September 03, 2011 06:46 PM (OhYCU)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 10:42 PM (nj1bB)
im guessing that was sarcasm, but not sure.
Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 06:47 PM (xAq1C)
>>>The Governor gets to change the law in the midst of ethics frivolous complaints against her?
Umm...no. The governor deals with the complaints already before them, and gets the legislature to change the law to bar frivolous complaints going forward. Remember, Palin's defenders don't claim that the few ethics complaints that had ALREADY been filed (and would subsequently be dismissed with a minimum of expense and legal fuss) were such an insurmountable issue...rather, it was the threat of an endless stream of complaints stretching to the end of time.
Seriously, this isn't hard to comprehend. So either you're simply bog-ignorant of how legislation (or law) works, or you're so wedded to you "poor persecuted Sarah" narrative that you've smoothed over the major gaps in the story.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 06:49 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: Cooper at September 03, 2011 06:49 PM (7LUxO)
Posted by: BurtTC at September 03, 2011 06:50 PM (Gc/Qi)
Posted by: cherry π at September 03, 2011 06:50 PM (OhYCU)
I'm copying and bolding this post because the IT NEEDS TO BE REPEATED.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 06:50 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 10:49 PM (hIWe1)
Not to mention I believe the law under which the complaints were filed was
cough
Palin's reform law
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 03, 2011 06:50 PM (8Zpuz)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 10:44 PM (nj1bB)
Name the hundred other governors that have faced what she faced when she went back after the campaign. Come on, Ace, tell us about . Tell us how a hundred other governors found themselves a half million dollars in personal debt and facing bankruptcy. Tell us how the hundred other govenors had the WA machine out to destory them,. Come on Ace. Tell us.
Posted by: Steph at September 03, 2011 06:51 PM (hfrm2)
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 10:50 PM (hIWe1)
By the power of Grayskull, really? That's all?
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 03, 2011 06:51 PM (8Zpuz)
Posted by: cherry π at September 03, 2011 06:51 PM (OhYCU)
You really don't want to get started on the crony thing.
Just sayin'.
Posted by: Slublog at September 03, 2011 06:52 PM (Jvdxe)
Posted by: ltw at September 03, 2011 06:53 PM (Cbief)
Her legal defense fund was disallowed. Can you not get that through your thickening head? The Alaska Fund Trust was determined to be an "ethics violation" and she had to return contributions. I know. I had mine returned.
But Palin was supposed to stay in office and get personally bankrupted multiple times over without government support and she was to keep AK functioning at top speed even though she's be living in a courtroom.
Keep fuckin' that chicken, Ace.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 03, 2011 06:53 PM (r4t7/)
Posted by: Concealed Kerry or submit at September 03, 2011 10:51 PM (tHnoW)
neat little trick there. cause if it isnt the exact same situation then it just possibly cant be done. after 15 frivolous complaints you have a damn good case that its a bad law. she was very popular and had a republican legislature. no reason at all not to try and fix a law which she pushed for in the first place.
Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 06:55 PM (xAq1C)
QUITTER!!!!!
Posted by: cherry ð at September 03, 2011 10:54 PM (OhYCU)
First time I've laughed through this entire thread.
Posted by: Steph at September 03, 2011 06:56 PM (hfrm2)
FOR FUCK'S SAKE PLEASE READ POST #954 THAT I EXPRESSLY COPIED AND BOLDED FOR PURPOSES OF RESPONDING TO *EXACTLY THIS SORT OF BULLSHIT*.
Then, refute THAT if you can. (But you can't! Because it's true!)
(I predict complete silence from you in response.)
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 06:56 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 06:59 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: cherry π at September 03, 2011 06:59 PM (OhYCU)
Posted by: BurtTC at September 03, 2011 07:01 PM (Gc/Qi)
Posted by: small town girl at September 03, 2011 07:02 PM (aEq91)
The 'quitting' 'MEME,' you call it..."
OK, fine. "Narrative" if you prefer. She quit with heavy context. The "meme" is that she just upped and left because of public pressure that politicians meet with all the time. And you push it like HuffPo. Except they don't and you know it. She was personally savaged with dozens of suits lined up to bankrupt her and keep her from working and she was in a government structure that essentially kept her from defending herself. Name one other politician that had a scenario like hers. Just one.
And what would you have done were you in her shoes and needed to balance the needs of her state, her family, and her life? I've asked you before, but I don't think I've ever gotten a response. Maybe someone said, "Well, she asked for the job. She should just stay in the kitchen no matter how hot." Is that your answer?
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 03, 2011 07:02 PM (r4t7/)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 07:02 PM (nj1bB)
(I predict complete silence from you in response.)
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 10:56 PM (hIWe1)
I'll refute it, Mr. Smarterthantheentirefuckingworld. For one thing, she didn't start the fund, and wasn't legally able to be involved in it as governor. So she wasn't, but she still got drug through the mud about it. They dissolved it and did return all the funds, but it was forzen for months while the legality of it was hashed out.
Like I said up thread. Some of you only think you know what the fuck you're talking about and facts are just bullshit.
Posted by: Steph at September 03, 2011 07:02 PM (hfrm2)
Posted by: cherry ð at September 03, 2011 10:59 PM (OhYCU)
true dat!! it amazes me how all the other GOP candidates are slamming her for it and saying how they want to double it!!
Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 07:03 PM (xAq1C)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 07:03 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: cherry π at September 03, 2011 07:04 PM (OhYCU)
This is trolling, right?
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 07:06 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 11:02 PM (nj1bB)
Another one of those facts, I see, since you know what's in her mind and all.
Posted by: Steph at September 03, 2011 07:06 PM (hfrm2)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 07:06 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Concealed Kerry or submit at September 03, 2011 11:02 PM (tHnoW)
BS, her ratings were high all the way up to june 09
Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 07:07 PM (xAq1C)
Please list the lawsuits against Governor Parnell.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 03, 2011 07:07 PM (r4t7/)
Posted by: cherry π at September 03, 2011 07:09 PM (OhYCU)
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 07:10 PM (nRTou)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 07:10 PM (nj1bB)
Was this before or well after she resigned because the number of suits (each of which were going to need to be addressed) and the bills were running up?
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 03, 2011 07:10 PM (r4t7/)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 11:03 PM (nj1bB)
Wrong. The law was changed after she left office, and it was changed so that any other governor who was charged with ethics violations would have their legal fees paid by the state, and one of the reasons was that no other governor would have to endure what she did, and face possible bankruptcy in the process.
Facts. Get ya some.
Posted by: Steph at September 03, 2011 07:11 PM (hfrm2)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 07:12 PM (nj1bB)
They'll funnel money to the candidate that looks most likely to win. They won't waste their time on a candidate with no chance of winning the nomination, much less the presidency, and whom most of them don't respect anyway.
It amazes me that none of this has ever occurred to you. It's like the world has passed you by.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 07:13 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 11:06 PM (nj1bB)
No. They had to return all the funds, because it was ruled illegal.
Again, facts. Get ya some.
Posted by: Steph at September 03, 2011 07:13 PM (hfrm2)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 07:14 PM (nj1bB)
At that time, she had a bottomless reserve of goodwill among conservative donor-types. Had it been established, there's virtually no limit as to how much money could've been raised on her behalf in the political climate that had settled over the nation between then and now. In all likelihood, she would've received more money than she ever would've needed to fight the charges.
A good attorney could've dragged the cases on and on in the courts with continuances, discovery process, and all manner of legal challenges and won a battle of attrition with the plaintiffs. But, I suspect the thinking was, "Why go to the trouble of raising all this money to spend on legal fees if that money is out there to be tapped for more enjoyable purposes?"
This wasn't a matter of being hamstrung and driven into poverty. It was a matter of shifting priorities.
Posted by: Damn Dirty RINO at September 03, 2011 07:14 PM (+iwM3)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 11:06 PM (nj1bB)
No. They had to return all the funds, because it was ruled illegal.
Again, facts. Get ya some.
Posted by: Steph at September 03, 2011 11:13 PM (hfrm2)
Then re-name the defense fund and start again. It's not that hard.
Posted by: robviously at September 03, 2011 07:14 PM (XYpRn)
Posted by: Heh at September 03, 2011 07:14 PM (P2T20)
Yay! Palin called for the end of a tax.
Ignored: while in office, Palin increased taxes. When she was mayor of Wasilla, she raised taxes to build a sports complex. Also, the town had a bigger deficit when she left than it did when she took office. She also hired a legal firm to make sure Wasilla got its fair share of our taxes through earmarks.
As governor, she imposed a windfall tax on oil companies. They still count as corporations, right? She said no corporate taxes today. I bet the oil companies wish she had come to that conclusion a lot earlier, huh?
But hey, she said some words today and stuff. Never mind what she actually did when she had the power to cut taxes.
Posted by: Slublog at September 03, 2011 07:14 PM (Jvdxe)
Jeff B. I remember the so-called "investigative report" or some such nonsense that was held to see if you legal defense fund was indeed, legal. An attorney from a law firm with Obama connections was used, no? That fund was set up with the help of 2 different outside law firms. She did not name it. The outcome of the "report" stated the fund was legal but if she used it to pay for defense then people could file ethics complaint against the very act of using it making it a catch-22 and it was abandoned.
Is Ace ok ? Sometime back in the near past in Alaska there must have been an incident with Ace and Todd Palin and cornflakes and pee. Is that the issue? I only ask because ACE is the last person that I would think who would force political opinions on people, but so it goes I guess.
Her speech today was pretty good, and she is not going to badmouth the concern trolls and detractors of her "image" .
Her main message is on the side of her bus after all: One Nation.
Today she attacked the Establishment and Obama, and sorta gave Maxine a go to hell shout out and said she is not for sale, and that right now that Washington IS for sale and she is going to stop it. Along with the patriots that are called the Tea Party, it was a breath of fresh air speech and I like it and I am a supporter and hope that she runs.
Posted by: Tom_Ohio at September 03, 2011 07:15 PM (7U2lm)
Posted by: cherry π at September 03, 2011 07:15 PM (OhYCU)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 07:15 PM (nj1bB)
Slub, that oil belonged to the people of the state of Alaska! They had a right to that money!
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 07:16 PM (hIWe1)
They'll funnel money to the candidate that looks most likely to win. They won't waste their time on a candidate with no chance of winning the nomination, much less the presidency, and whom most of them don't respect anyway.
It amazes me that none of this has ever occurred to you. It's like the world has passed you by.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 11:13 PM (hIWe1)
Not to mention that some corporations like the current system of high corporate taxes with loopholes that benefit them and not their competition. Some corporations like things the way they are. Once you're at the top, you pull that ladder up.
Posted by: robviously at September 03, 2011 07:17 PM (XYpRn)
In fairness, didn't the citizens pass a ballot measure to raise taxes to fund the sports thingy?
Posted by: Oily Taints at September 03, 2011 07:17 PM (TUax9)
That's right I forgot!
There's wealth in those oil fields. Gotta "spread it around," right?
Posted by: Slublog at September 03, 2011 07:18 PM (Jvdxe)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 11:12 PM (nj1bB)
Uh, yeah. How do you change the ethics laws when you are being sued for ethics violations damn near every freakin week?? Yeah, that would go over real well. Everyone would be on board for that wouldn't they?
Posted by: Steph at September 03, 2011 07:19 PM (hfrm2)
Posted by: cherry π at September 03, 2011 07:19 PM (OhYCU)
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 07:20 PM (nRTou)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 07:20 PM (nj1bB)
Well it would have appeared wholly and unethically self-serving because she advocated, or hoisted, the law which became her petard. How could she win an argument wherein she immediately pushes to dump a reform she just thought would be productive to ethics in government? Do you think she could have just said, "Hey, guys, let's tweak this reform bill so SLAPP suits don't bankrupt the sitting guv." Do you honestly think she could have proposed that given what you know about the atmosphere around her post-VP run? That it wouldn't be seen as hypocritical, self-serving, or corrupt?
And again, what would you have done in her shoes?
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 03, 2011 07:21 PM (r4t7/)
Posted by: Slublog at September 03, 2011 11:18 PM (Jvdxe)
yeah, lets talk about the permanent fund, taxes from the oil companies being distributed to alaska residents. since that is built into the price of oil we are basically subsidizing a $1200 payment to every alaskan each year.
Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 07:21 PM (xAq1C)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 07:21 PM (nj1bB)
Wait, so having a realistic understanding of how corporate campaign money flows in elections is now called "going batshit insane?"
Even if Sarah Palin were to somehow become President, it's not like she can wave a wand and magically do away with the corporate income tax. She would have to get the House and the Senate to pass such a bill. That would be politically toxic ("Republicans selling out to big business!!") and isn't going to happen. All serious corporate donors know this. Therefore, Palin's pie-in-the-sky promise isn't going to motivate them to donate jack shit.
If I promised to change the laws to give you a unicorn in return for a thousand dollars, would you give me the money? No. Because you know full well that I can't possibly deliver on my promise. Palin's talk of zeroing out the corporate income tax rate is just more unicorn-talk. Nobody smart enough to be sitting on a pile of Crazy Corporate Money is going to be stupid enough to donate to her on the basis of such a bullshit promise.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 07:21 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 07:23 PM (nj1bB)
Oh, I'm sorry. I should have mentioned that Palin led the charge for the tax increase and campaigned for it. Oh, and got the city involved in an eminent domain dispute in the process that cost them a bunch in legal fees.
But, other than that, I know nothing about this, I guess. I should have used google. But, darnit, I went to Lexis/Nexis instead. Bad..bad..database!
Posted by: Slublog at September 03, 2011 07:23 PM (Jvdxe)
Not picking on you Tom, but can somebody define the establishment for me? I hear this banality thrown around a lot by the Palinistas and true conservatives, but can't get a definitive measure of it. I know Rove, Castle, Krauthammer, NRO, and The Weekly Standard are certainly establishment. I think you guys consider Orrin Hatch establishment, but he's a good establishment. What about Jim DeMint? He's been in DC longer than Obama. That makes him establishment, right? Perry- he's gotta be establishment with hair like that. Bachmann's establishment since she started stealing Palin's thunder, correct? What about Ron Paul? He's been in Congress forever, but he bucks the party line.
Posted by: Oily Taints at September 03, 2011 07:23 PM (TUax9)
Posted by: Heh at September 03, 2011 07:24 PM (P2T20)
Posted by: Oily Taints at September 03, 2011 11:23 PM (TUax9)
the establishment is whoever sarah is attacking atm. it wasnt john mccain in 2010 or orrin hatch just recently though.
Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 07:24 PM (xAq1C)
I used to be a big Palin fan, but that this point, she offers...nothing.
We have a legitimate, electable conservative in the race in Rick Perry, so she doesn't fill a void in the field. Over half of Republicans don't want her to run, let alone nominate her.
She doesn't have near the executive experience of lame candidates like Huntsman and Romney, to say nothing of Perry's 11 years as a governor, so she doesn't offer credentials.
She consistently polls worse against Obama than any other candidate, so she doesn't offer electability. Even if she were to run and win the nomination, the campaign would be a referendum on her (the media and Obama would make sure of that), when the campaign should be a referendum on the incumbent.
Plus, this will she/won't she tease act is beyond old - it's annoying, and I am really starting to dislike her and wish she would go away. At this point, I think she's simply an attention whore who can't stand it when cameras aren't following her around and talking heads aren't babbling about her on news shows.
She hurts the conservative movement, the Tea Party, and the GOP more than she helps. Hopefully, she'll realize that and go home to Wasilla or Arizona...or wherever the hell she's living these days.
Posted by: DRayRaven at September 03, 2011 07:25 PM (4kYSc)
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 07:25 PM (nRTou)
Posted by: noislamocommie at September 03, 2011 07:25 PM (Uuurq)
Posted by: Oily Taints at September 03, 2011 11:17 PM (TUax9)
yes, it was a ballot measure, and the tax has since been rescinded because the complex has been paid off iirc.
Posted by: Steph at September 03, 2011 07:25 PM (hfrm2)
Posted by: cherry π at September 03, 2011 07:25 PM (OhYCU)
That's because the word "official" implied to donors that it was a state-sanctioned fund, and ethics law wouldn't allow it. Had a completely different fund been established with a name that didn't imply state sanctioning, it would have withstood challenges.
Posted by: Damn Dirty RINO at September 03, 2011 07:26 PM (+iwM3)
Posted by: cherry π at September 03, 2011 07:27 PM (OhYCU)
Posted by: Heh at September 03, 2011 11:24 PM (P2T20)
exactly!! not a chance in hell
http://tinyurl.com/3z22pvt
Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 07:27 PM (xAq1C)
Posted by: Rick Perry at September 03, 2011 07:28 PM (nj1bB)
I guess I would have quit, as that is obviously the most politically advantageous maneuver.
I mean, trying to change a patently unjust law would have *looked bad,* even though, apparently, it was widely accepted the law was unjust, and she was still popular there.
So, of course, the only possible move is to quit.
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 11:23 PM (nj1bB)
She quit to prove she's a fighter.
Posted by: robviously at September 03, 2011 07:28 PM (XYpRn)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 11:21 PM (nj1bB)
Damned if you do. Damned if you don't. Her choice was better for her state and her family whether you liked it or not.
Posted by: Steph at September 03, 2011 07:29 PM (hfrm2)
And prove it she did -- just look at how she took the fight right to Rick Santorum's doorstep.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 07:29 PM (hIWe1)
Then re-name the defense fund and start again. It's not that hard.
Posted by: robviously at September 03, 2011 11:14 PM (XYpRn)
Because doing that would never ever result in another ethics charge right?
This is really getting as tedious as going over the fricking 2010 Delaware Senate elections for the 8,000th time.
She's not running. Since so many things are being brought up as either qualifiers or disqualifiers to her running, they become moot when looked at it from this fact. If threads about her are kept to a minimum threads about other politicians aren't ended with a paragraph blurb about her to immediately derail the thread, and critics don't go off on a conitinuous rant the second someone else mentions her, then we should be able to greatly reduce the effects, and we can get back to bashing candidates that are actually running.
Posted by: buzzion at September 03, 2011 07:29 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: cherry π at September 03, 2011 07:29 PM (OhYCU)
I thought that, too, at first. But the money for that fund didn't flow. I even asked people on this blog if they contributed to her fund. To my knowledge, no one did. Or no one admitted or saw my post amidst literally several hundred. (Surely some morons read the post.) If you couldn't get morons to donate back then when the action was happening, then the odds of funding extended lawsuits is hardly guaranteed. And really, you need to have guarantees that the money will exist and not just hope that they'll arrive.
For sure the money would flow now, but back then it still wasn't a given.
Damn Dirty RINO: "This wasn't a matter of being hamstrung and driven into poverty. It was a matter of shifting priorities."
I think it both with the caveat that priorities don't shift unless there's the matter of being hamstrung and driven into poverty initiating them.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 03, 2011 07:29 PM (r4t7/)
Posted by: Rick Perry at September 03, 2011 07:30 PM (nj1bB)
It was definitely better for her family. They got a lot richer as a result.
But it's hard to argue that it was better for her state that their governor suddenly up and quit her job for no other cited reason than "eh, I'm not running for office again, so what's the point of serving out my term?" plus a footnote about "those ethics lawsuits are pretty pesky too."
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 07:31 PM (hIWe1)
All you need to know about Mr. Perry
Posted by: Heh at September 03, 2011 07:31 PM (P2T20)
Posted by: Oily Taints at September 03, 2011 07:33 PM (TUax9)
Posted by: cherry π at September 03, 2011 07:33 PM (OhYCU)
Good job, dude, you totally convinced me that Perry's not to be trusted.
Guess I'll vote for Mitt Romney now instead.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 07:33 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 07:34 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 07:35 PM (nj1bB)
>>>Perry got richer in office.
>>>I don't think that's a good line of attack.
So let me get this straight: now you're suggesting that Rick Perry is a crook? That, separate from the suddenly-chic "crony capitalist" charge (which is about Perry giving good business hookups to his donors or connected people, i.e. "pay to play"), Perry also unjustly enriched himself?
This is your new line of attack?
On what grounds do you make this claim?
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 07:35 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: ltw at September 03, 2011 07:37 PM (Cbief)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 07:37 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 07:38 PM (nRTou)
Posted by: Oily Taints at September 03, 2011 07:38 PM (TUax9)
Posted by: cherry π at September 03, 2011 07:39 PM (OhYCU)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 07:39 PM (nj1bB)
>>>She will have to appease her supporters by making some kind of an effort, I think. Or else risk losing them.
I know there's some informal rule around here you don't address me directly or something, but I will point out that she can't really make the effort. She doesn't have the staff. She doesn't have the temperament for an actual campaign -- pressing the flesh on a daily basis, giving interviews, actually exposing herself. It would be far, far, FAR more embarrassing for her to announce for President and then get flayed by opposition, be forced to deal with non-friendly media, and fold meekly for lack of funds (which she won't get enough of) or voter support. That would kill her enduring appeal for the small segment of the base that loves her far more than maintaining a "what if she had?" mystique. That at least allows the Irredentists to dream.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 07:40 PM (hIWe1)
Except that she lost her popularity post-VP run, remember? And fighting for its repeal would not have endeared more voters because it was that stupid snowbilly who could see Russia from her porch who was pushing it - the self-centered bitch.
And, yes, quitting was the only option at the time for anyone with a functioning cortex. But not Ace. Ace would've spent his yet unaquired and non-guaranteed fortune fighting for a law which he, as a compromised pol, had to push in an environment where passage could've taken months... or years... or never. And done it while doing his day job of fighting off the accumulating law suits that, dismissed or not, sapped family funds.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 03, 2011 07:40 PM (r4t7/)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 07:40 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 11:31 PM (hIWe1)
Considering that those ethics complaints had cost the state upwards of 2 mil in just 8 months, how much do you think it would have cost the state for the next 1 1/2 years? And, considering that idiots filing the complaints were starting to go after her staff, and they were going to have to pay out of their own pockets how would that have been better? Oh, and I guess the legislature publicly stating that she wasn't going to get another damn thing passed after she came back from the campaign, that was a good thing, too, right?
Like I've said more than once in this thread. Facts. Do any of you even know what they are, or are you just regurgitating shit people said.
Posted by: Steph at September 03, 2011 07:41 PM (hfrm2)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 07:41 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: cherry π at September 03, 2011 07:43 PM (OhYCU)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 07:43 PM (nj1bB)
PolitiFact says Mostly True for "Bill White says that Gov. Rick Perry became a millionaire as an elected state official"
Huh. So the media is not so "lamestream" when reporting on politicians you don't like, I guess. How convenient.
Posted by: Slublog at September 03, 2011 07:43 PM (Jvdxe)
The fact notion that she gave up on it because the money wasn't flowing as freely as hoped only seems to further that perception. The whole point is that, if the lawsuits were frivolous and unjust, she should have dug in her heels. And, if the money wasn't coming in when the wolves were at the door, you have to wonder just how much resolve her support base has.
If her current one is any indication, the only reason she wasn't rolling in money at the time was due to a lack of determination on her part. And given the fact that Rebecca Mansour has shown absolutely no reluctance to do whatever it takes to defend Palin, there's no reason to believe she didn't have people in her corner who were capable of making it happen.
It's hard to come to any other conclusion than that Palin looked at the situation and decided it was just easier to walk away rather than finish out her term. She had a choice, and there was unlimited potential -- she was only months removed from having stood before overflowing crowds that would have moved heaven and earth for her. There was no reason for her to believe that she couldn't have tapped into that enthusiasm for financial support.
Posted by: Damn Dirty RINO at September 03, 2011 07:44 PM (+iwM3)
I think the people who believe this have no actual understanding of how legal billing works, and how fees are. Unless Palin hired friggin' Sullivan & Cromwell to handle her defense, then her legal fees for these rather uncomplex ethics complaints would have been rather mild. EVEN IF she'd had to deal with a number of them.
It's really not magically, amazingly difficult or expensive to write up a response that invokes whatever Alaska's version of 12(b)(6) is.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 07:44 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 07:46 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: cherry π at September 03, 2011 07:46 PM (OhYCU)
I think she just might. I think she has to. I think she is trapped. Can't go forward, can't go back.
She will have to appease her supporters by making some kind of an effort, I think. Or else risk losing them.
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 11:35 PM (nj1bB)
Nope, she's not running and I'll donate an equal amount to your "green energy" fund again if she does. Her appeasement to her supporters will be in asking them to support candidate X* with as much passion as they have shown for her in order to become the GOP nominee to beat Obama.
*X to be filled in at a later date.
Posted by: buzzion at September 03, 2011 07:46 PM (GULKT)
/ stir the pot
Posted by: cherry π at September 03, 2011 11:43 PM (OhYCU)
Cherry, shut the hell up.
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 03, 2011 07:47 PM (8Zpuz)
Oh now you've gone and done it. Even I didn't feel like 'going there' on this one.
But yes...I've read over the details of that case rather closely and, you know what? Palin definitely pushed to get that cop fired. And although I won't speak to the legality or illegality of it (since I'm not familiar with the relevant AK law), it didn't exactly look super-ethical.
Doesn't seem like a disqualifying, send-her-to-jail offense either, but it sort of puts the tarnish on the whole "blameless angel" narrative her fans have going.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 07:47 PM (hIWe1)
He's not even sure at this point.
Posted by: Momentarily de-lurked at September 03, 2011 07:47 PM (AnTyA)
Posted by: cherry π at September 03, 2011 07:48 PM (OhYCU)
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 03, 2011 11:40 PM (r4t7/)
posted a link earlier proving otherwise. she was in fact the most popular governor in june of 2009, 56% approval rating.
Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 07:49 PM (xAq1C)
Seriously...I fucking hate New Yorkers and this guy makes me want to go and start rooting for the Yankees just to spite him.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 07:49 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 07:49 PM (nRTou)
Dude.
DUDE.
The Yankees? Take a deep breath before you say something you'll really regret.
Posted by: Slublog at September 03, 2011 07:50 PM (Jvdxe)
Posted by: Pmzey at September 03, 2011 07:51 PM (pmzey)
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 11:47 PM (hIWe1)
Didn't that ethics probe clear her of those charges though? It was a big issue in the campaign for a while.
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 03, 2011 07:51 PM (8Zpuz)
>>>DUDE.
>>>The Yankees? Take a deep breath before you say something you'll really regret.
I could've said the Mets, but even I have standards.
Or the Red Sox, but then I'd have to kill self.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 07:52 PM (hIWe1)
You stated that earlier. "Hundreds" of them in fact. Even Parnell in Alaska was suffering the arrows. Except he didn't and isn't.
So, would you care to name a politician facing multiple charges now and dozens of SLAPP suits ready to go? Or in the past twenty years? Or forty? How powerful is Google's cache? Doesn't have to be a governor, either. I'm interested in local lackeys, too.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 03, 2011 07:52 PM (r4t7/)
But let's say one more ethics charge flowed -- wouldn't it make sense to take on ONE more ethics charge to gain the money needed to fight the rest of them?
I really do not believe her family spent 1,000,000 dollars fighting thirty or forty mostly bullshit charges like "she wore her husband's company's ski-jacket at an official gubernatorial event."
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 11:39 PM (nj1bB)
No, it was found to not be legal for the governor, and the money had to be returned. Besides she did not start the fund.
And it wasn't one mil. It was half a mil to her family and 2 mil to the state in just 8 months. Would have been great for everyone if it was allowed to go on for the next 1 1/2 years, right?
Fuck it. There's no sense in discussing shit with people when they don't give a damn about facts. Only their agenda matters.
I'll defend the truth against a lie any day no matter who is being lied about. Facts and truth matter. Obviously not to everyone.
Posted by: Steph at September 03, 2011 07:52 PM (hfrm2)
Or the Red Sox, but then I'd have to kill self.
Whew. You've stepped away from the ledge at least.
Posted by: Slublog at September 03, 2011 07:53 PM (Jvdxe)
Now how would a "lawyer" who "read over the details of that case" not have a fucking clue as to the relevant law?
Is that legalese??...super-ethical?
Posted by: Momentarily de-lurked at September 03, 2011 07:54 PM (AnTyA)
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 07:54 PM (nRTou)
It cleared her of legal liability for violation of the Alaska Executive Ethics Act. But that doesn't change the fact that her actions were pretty damn questionable.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 07:54 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 11:40 PM (nj1bB)
And, again, fail. Damn, Ace, you really don't know what you're talking about on most of this, do you?
Posted by: Steph at September 03, 2011 07:55 PM (hfrm2)
Posted by: Slublog at September 03, 2011 07:56 PM (Jvdxe)
Posted by: Steph at September 03, 2011 11:52 PM (hfrm2)
Yes, we all know this. But now you gotta prove to us you aren't the pull-string toy of morons.
OMIT ONE WORD from the fund name. Now legal. Wouldn't it make sense for Palin to put the word out about this if the fund organizers didn't know already? Or is that illegal?
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 03, 2011 07:56 PM (8Zpuz)
See, it's comments like this that make me think you don't really understand her supporters very much at all, Ace.
I'm one of them, and I'm very supportive and flexible in that regard, meaning that I don't care if she waits until the last possible minute to jump in. In other words, to most of her bigger mouthed detractors, I'm one of the wild-eyed fanatics, apparently.
Yet I wasn't expecting anything today.
And I do hope she runs, but it's okay with me if she doesn't. She certainly doesn't need to appease me, and I doubt I'm that unusual.
I also don't know what you mean by "losing them." If she doesn't run, then what would she need us for anyway?
Posted by: Kensington at September 03, 2011 07:56 PM (uaEZS)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 07:57 PM (nj1bB)
I believe at the time, however, she had taken a significant hit. Seems like before the MFM took to her throat, she was in the what... greater than 75% range? That's a huge drop with an awful trendline. I mean, if you're faced with such downturn because you're at the eye of the maelstrom, you can't feel too confident that the fight is possible or practicable.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 03, 2011 07:58 PM (r4t7/)
Doesn't that say something about her foresight?
Posted by: prettypinkfluffypanties at September 03, 2011 07:58 PM (/uJoK)
Posted by: Damn Dirty RINO at September 03, 2011 07:58 PM (+iwM3)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 07:58 PM (nj1bB)
>>>Is that legalese??...super-ethical?
Because I'm not barred in Alaska or familiar with the ins and out of its ethics laws, you moron, that's how. It's one thing to be familiar with the particulars of the case, i.e. what Palin did and said about Monegan, the pressure she exerted, the relationship between Monegan, the cop he refused to fire, and Palin's family etc. etc.
It's another thing ENTIRELY to apply those facts to Alaska state law to determine whether liability exists. Something can be morally questionable or shady without being in technical violation of the law. It is in fact because I'm a lawyer -- because I actually take my profession seriously, in other words -- that I'm not going to pretend I'm an Instant Expert about Alaska state ethics law jurisprudence and start shooting off at the mouth, for fuck's sake.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 07:59 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 11:47 PM (hIWe1)
Did you read the part where it was found she did nothing wrong?
Posted by: Steph at September 03, 2011 07:59 PM (hfrm2)
Posted by: Kensington at September 03, 2011 07:59 PM (uaEZS)
Posted by: Oily Taints at September 03, 2011 11:23 PM (TUax9)
Anybody who isn't saying what somebody wants to hear at the moment they're saying it.
Posted by: prettypinkfluffypanties at September 03, 2011 08:01 PM (/uJoK)
So you've moved from "not super ethical" to "questionable".
What's next?? You were offended? Did it make you sad?
Posted by: Momentarily de-lurked at September 03, 2011 08:02 PM (AnTyA)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 08:02 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 11:54 PM (nRTou)
And you're an asswipe?
Posted by: Steph at September 03, 2011 08:02 PM (hfrm2)
Posted by: rickl at September 03, 2011 08:03 PM (1CfwK)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 08:04 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 03, 2011 11:58 PM (r4t7/)
need some help w/ those goalposts??
Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 08:04 PM (xAq1C)
No, but I did read the part where the independent counsel's report found that she had abused her power. And the part where a later (exclusively Palin-appointed) Personnel Board said that she had not technically broken the law (this is the 'exoneration' you're speaking of) but didn't pass judgment on whether she did anything morally questionable.
Let me guess, Steph: you don't actually know about these silly little details, do you? You just heard "Palin cleared by board!" and went on your merry way. When in fact, the independent investigator found she had stepped over the line, and only the later board of Palin-appointees (talk about crony politics!) sort of semi-but-not-really-cleared her.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 08:05 PM (hIWe1)
But take solace friends, you can always come back and read threads like this.
Posted by: Pmzey at September 03, 2011 08:05 PM (pmzey)
But I'm bigger than that.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 08:05 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 08:06 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 03, 2011 11:56 PM (8Zpuz)
Facts, people, do you know them? The funds were frozen while the case was in legal limbo. The judge ruled it illegal, and ruled all funds had to be returned.
Truth! Find it. It isn't hard, but that would defeat your purpose, wouldn't it?
Posted by: Steph at September 03, 2011 08:08 PM (hfrm2)
Like I said, if she doesn't run, I won't blame her, and I still like her books and speeches and appreciate her work on behalf of conservatism.
I still hope she runs, though.
Posted by: Kensington at September 03, 2011 08:08 PM (uaEZS)
But it IS worth pointing out just how self-deceiving a lot of Palinistas who have bought into Palin's "poor me!" mythologizing really are. Not a single one of them seems to have had the courage to *really* investigate those claims. Because if they did they would not like what they found. So instead they rely on third parties like C4P or whatnot telling them "Sarah was cleared!" and take that at face value with wondering "gee, who cleared her?" or "what does 'cleared' mean, exactly?"
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 08:09 PM (hIWe1)
Side Note: No one gets "punked" at a Rick Perry Rally! (We call them RPRs btw). Think of ecstasy on steroids in enema form. Delicious!
Posted by: Pmzey at September 03, 2011 08:09 PM (pmzey)
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 08:09 PM (nRTou)
Posted by: ace at September 04, 2011 12:06 AM (nj1bB)
exactly, what would her reaction be if she's president and the dems win back both houses of congress?? how can we trust her to fight in that situation?
Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 08:10 PM (xAq1C)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 08:10 PM (nj1bB)
Well, it depends on what she's doing, doesn't it? But I don't see why not. Of course, I don't hang on her every movement now -- I just hope she runs.
Posted by: Kensington at September 03, 2011 08:11 PM (uaEZS)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 08:11 PM (nj1bB)
But I'm bigger than that.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 04, 2011 12:05 AM (hIWe1)
And he's had to have entryways expanded at head height to prove it.
Posted by: buzzion at September 03, 2011 08:11 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 08:11 PM (nRTou)
But no. Better to just pretend it doesn't exist. Or that it's a "political hit job by Sarah's enemies!" or some bullshit like that.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 08:12 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 04, 2011 12:05 AM (hIWe1)
No, you pompous ass. I actually look for facts. Tell us about that independent investigator. And tell us who was on that board.
Posted by: Steph at September 03, 2011 08:12 PM (hfrm2)
Truth! Find it. It isn't hard, but that would defeat your purpose, wouldn't it?
Note the convenient elision of the fact that it was perfectly legal and acceptable to start up another fund with a different name in the interim.
Posted by: Damn Dirty RINO at September 03, 2011 08:12 PM (+iwM3)
OK..what were those pressures?/Wasn't that part of the ethics violations charge? Wasn't she cleared?? She was cleared right?
So what was the unethical..er, whoops...questionable behavior on her part?
You don't need to know the relevant law...but you've looked at the case very closely right?? What did she do?
Posted by: Momentarily de-lurked at September 03, 2011 08:12 PM (AnTyA)
Yeah, this is where I think you go off the rails, from the presumption of how important the cheering audience is to her to the snarky capital H.
Maybe I'll just stop reading the Palin posts.
Posted by: Kensington at September 03, 2011 08:12 PM (uaEZS)
Possibly. And a debatable point.
Now how many laws are written with an intent for reform but that fail in their implementation because every contingency had not been considered? She advocated for an imperfect law thinking it would bring reform. It didn't. How many politicians also face this be it government reform or other? This may well happen more often than not which explains thousand page bills written by people who either don't understand law or who understand it so well as to corrupt it as it's passed see the light of day.
But the argument hasn't been about her judgement on the minutia of law however in- or consequential. It has been about her quitting office with the concomitant smear (to me) of the sin of omission of important facts that when distilled down to a soundbite resonate like a hack progressive activist. That's why I'm pissed about "the narrative" and why this particular debate teeters on the disingenuous.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 03, 2011 08:13 PM (r4t7/)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 08:14 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 08:16 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: The Thinking Person's Republican at September 03, 2011 08:18 PM (5I0Yr)
Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 08:18 PM (xAq1C)
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 08:19 PM (nRTou)
Anyway, I think Perry might make a fine candidate. I just don't think we need to tear down other conservatives.
What is the difference between what she says/does and some other private, conservative citizen like say AllahPundut (*snicker) that warrants this kind of reaction?
Posted by: Pmzey at September 03, 2011 08:22 PM (pmzey)
So she's gonna be faulted for O'Donnel, eh, Ace?
Let's just ignore all of her other endorsements in 2010... ah! Matters not!
In 2010, T-Paw and Perry, those names Loomed Large Over The Nation's Political Mountains and Plains !!!
Ace's ace political advice: Be a careerist pol and wait quietly for your opportunity, don't be too, ick, folksy, and be as unobjectionable as possible (like T-Paw!), and I will support you!
Don't QUIT your "job"! No matter how unconsequential to the Conservative Cause that might be! RESUME'S, PEOPLE, KEEP THEM UPDATED.
If you step into a seminal election, willy nilly, and just throw your endorsements around in the interest of the nation's future, it doesn't matter how many endorsements of yours were good and right... I, Ace, will attack and blame you for the ones that were off (O'Donnel and Angle) no matter how many battles you helped to win, and no matter how historic the election turned out to be !!!
Go Pawlenty ! Go Perry ! Go Christie (I'm SO glad you're mostly conservative...) ! Glad you showed up for the fight !
Posted by: at_liberty at September 03, 2011 08:22 PM (mLzys)
Yeah, that sort of thing will get a little costly.
And no one is deserving of pity for that.
Posted by: ace at September 04, 2011 12:11 AM (nj1bB)
So anyone that is charged with something and spends good money to fught those charges is doing so because they in fact did what they are charged with?
Damn, no wonder you're no longer a lawyer.
Posted by: Steph at September 03, 2011 08:23 PM (hfrm2)
Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 08:23 PM (xAq1C)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 08:25 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 08:26 PM (nj1bB)
How were they moved? The argument was that she was popular, so popular that advancing a self-serving correction to an ethics reform law would have insulated her from further destruction would have likely passed and in such expedited manner as to protect her limited wealth and family. I'm noting that her popularity trendline was dramatically down and that directed legal defense money (later adjudicated as illegal) was not pouring in as most assumed happened.
She was experiencing a waning local popularity that surely impacted what kind of legislation she thought could or could not be passed under her tenure especially as it pertains to legislation that would, by definition, protect her, the sworn enemy of a nationally concerted campaign designed to destroy her. Diminishing popularity and the self-serving argument she was about to make would endanger the passage of the corrections to a flawed law.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 03, 2011 08:26 PM (r4t7/)
Posted by: The Thinking Person's Republican at September 04, 2011 12:18 AM (5I0Yr)
Except even Krauthammer said she was right, and he was the one that defined the Bush doctrine.
Posted by: Steph at September 03, 2011 08:27 PM (hfrm2)
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 08:27 PM (nRTou)
Posted by: Pmzey at September 03, 2011 08:28 PM (pmzey)
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 04, 2011 12:26 AM (r4t7/)
but she was still the most popular governor in the country. she the vast majority of the people in her corner. and a lot of those that didnt support her wouldve been on board w/ changing that kinda law. americans dont like to see someone being treated unfairly, even someone they dont like. sure, there are exceptions but in the general we are ready to help out a legitimately persecuted underdog.
Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 08:30 PM (xAq1C)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 08:30 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 08:32 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Pmzey at September 03, 2011 08:32 PM (pmzey)
Posted by: prettypinkfluffypanties at September 03, 2011 08:34 PM (/uJoK)
Posted by: Pmzey at September 04, 2011 12:28 AM (pmzey)
I feel that way about most of Ed's posts and all of Tina's posts. People don't know how to write a blog commensurate with Hot Air's status.
Thanks for the explanation of the cop probe Jeff B.
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 03, 2011 08:35 PM (8Zpuz)
Seriously though. My problem is I feel like you are lecturing all us "dumb hicks" (my words not yours) on the way the world works. The thing is, we get it. We just don't necessarily agree with you.
Posted by: Pmzey at September 03, 2011 08:36 PM (pmzey)
Will all the conservative blogs write "Well, at least he wasn't dumb stupid moron Palin! Amiright?".
Posted by: Pmzey at September 03, 2011 08:39 PM (pmzey)
Right. Right. Nevermind the points made about why she likely couldn't change things or the financial ruin she'd have experienced being the proud fighter. No, she could've just cashed in some hope beans and change dust to finance an endless parade of lawsuits that accumulated while she was the happy warrior in the governor's chair pushing a self-serving law. Easy peasy.
And, ultimately, quitting did expedite reform in AK and Palin was/is a leader in the Tea Party movement... so cut with the paraphrased "well she's barely effective now that she's a quitter" routine even though, surely, we know she'd have won had she just. fought. that. much. harder. in AK.
BTW, did you contribute to her Alaska Defense Fund?
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 03, 2011 08:39 PM (r4t7/)
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 08:40 PM (nRTou)
Posted by: Durka at September 03, 2011 08:41 PM (QjrRF)
Posted by: European Banks with a $16 trillion dollar payday at September 03, 2011 08:42 PM (xc/va)
So, we're supposed to support someone whose only qualification is a job that was inconsequential -- and they quit it before serving out their term.
Where do I sign up?
Posted by: Damn Dirty RINO at September 03, 2011 08:42 PM (+iwM3)
Posted by: The Thinking Person's Republican at September 03, 2011 08:44 PM (5I0Yr)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 08:44 PM (nj1bB)
Why stop at one unproven allegation?
Posted by: ace at September 04, 2011 12:44 AM (nj1bB)
Oh, I don't think you'll have that problem.
Posted by: Steph at September 03, 2011 08:47 PM (hfrm2)
"And yes, actually running a state IS more impressive that showing up for twenty minute interviews on greta. It's called decision-making, command, and accountability. That's why the GOP (and the Democrats, too) have tended to favor either Governors or military leaders for their nominees. "
How many governors and military leaders helped effect the fiscal-conservative triumph of 2010...
Sarah, had a full time job since she resigned: being a leader of the loyal opposition to, let's face it, Obama's attempted socialist transformation of America... more than full time, really.
You make it sound like she's been slumming it on FNC???
C'mon ! Give credit where credit is due !
Posted by: at_liberty at September 03, 2011 08:48 PM (mLzys)
Posted by: Durka at September 03, 2011 08:49 PM (QjrRF)
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 08:53 PM (nRTou)
This is actually kind of funny that we are here on arguing the quitter meme. Damn you dirty Tea Baggers!
Posted by: Pmzey at September 03, 2011 08:53 PM (pmzey)
That's Commander-in-Chief material, right there.
Posted by: Damn Dirty RINO at September 03, 2011 08:54 PM (+iwM3)
"...she the vast majority of the people in her corner. and a lot of those that didnt support her wouldve been on board w/ changing that kinda law..."
I wish that were true but I don't share the faith. In theory and in the main, I'd tend to agree; but this was Palin where a visceral response was being and had been cultivated. Palin was smeared and lost a good chunk of goodwill. I think many would've said, "Sure, it's a flawed law, but I just want Palin to suffer because of the schadenfreude. Besides, we can get this law modified under someone else anyway. Palin isn't worth the trouble." I'm not intimately familiar with AK politics, but I'm guessing that was the building milieu. Nationally, she has more pull now (and did back then, too), but I'm not convinced she had the pull at the time in AK proper. Clearly she was hemorrhaging support that may or may not have leveled had she remained in office.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 03, 2011 08:54 PM (r4t7/)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 08:55 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Durka at September 03, 2011 08:58 PM (QjrRF)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 08:58 PM (nj1bB)
"There is a belief that the old rules stop working. And yet there is no evidence for this. It's faith-based. People want to believe this; thus and so it is. "
And yet Obama is PotUS, and T-Paw is going to have a nice, serene family Christmas, this year... ;-)
Posted by: at_liberty at September 03, 2011 09:03 PM (mLzys)
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 04, 2011 12:54 AM (r4t7/)
so your claiming she's lost all that popularity she had but somehow she can be elected president?? you guys are just incorrigible!
Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 09:04 PM (xAq1C)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 09:04 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 09:06 PM (nj1bB)
"You know, Rick Perry led a lot of Tea Party rallies...
He seemed to find the time. "
You honestly think Perry was a factor in 2010, outside of Texas?
While SP was playing the best chess she could to maximize whatever benefit to our side she could?
Posted by: at_liberty at September 03, 2011 09:06 PM (mLzys)
You're not. You're a misogynist, remember?
Posted by: Damn Dirty RINO at September 03, 2011 09:07 PM (+iwM3)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 09:07 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 09:08 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 09:09 PM (nj1bB)
So, she quit her job to play chess? You'd think with all that strategic thinking she could have figured out a way to finish her term despite all the ethics complaints.
Posted by: Damn Dirty RINO at September 03, 2011 09:09 PM (+iwM3)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 09:10 PM (nj1bB)
She isn't running. She will be riling up the base for the big win.
Posted by: Freedomplow at September 03, 2011 09:11 PM (GLP9X)
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 09:11 PM (nRTou)
If she runs and wins the primary, a lot of those old school things are going to be out the window. That would be more than just the Tea Party wanting it and It will flip this party on it's head. I feel that could be exactly what this country needs.
If you think Sarah's foreign policy experience is going to matter in this election I think you haven't been paying attention. I would vote for any random American who I felt loved this country and KNOW they would do a better job than Obama has.
Posted by: Pmzey at September 03, 2011 09:11 PM (pmzey)
Posted by: Damn Dirty RINO at September 03, 2011 09:12 PM (+iwM3)
Posted by: Durka at September 03, 2011 09:13 PM (QjrRF)
Posted by: Oghma at September 03, 2011 09:14 PM (f0qST)
Posted by: Durka at September 03, 2011 09:14 PM (QjrRF)
Just saying give her the credit that is due, man...
She has been out there in the arena, a la Teddy R.
T-Paw? Perry? Not as much...
Every off-Broadway election, she's been in the hunt.
Not just facebook and Greta, but on the ground, if she was wanted.
Just give the woman that much.
Posted by: at_liberty at September 03, 2011 09:17 PM (mLzys)
I think the Tea Party is a younger movement, looking at the GOP, in effect, as stupid parents who don't know shit."
Let's turn it around:
I think when octogenarians rebel against their children's authority, they think everything their children do or say is wrong.
I think the Tea Party is a younger movement, looking at the GOP, in effect, as senile coots who don't know shit... and have a record of proving it.
Seeing where the nation is and the machinations politics have become, would sanity be following the senile... and just as before?
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 03, 2011 09:19 PM (r4t7/)
Posted by: DaMav at September 03, 2011 09:20 PM (QNU76)
Posted by: Kevin in ABQ at September 03, 2011 09:21 PM (x81hH)
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 09:22 PM (nRTou)
Okay. Palin supporters have a "bad case of it", but she's Richard Nixon/Snooki/Eva f*cking Peron. What site am I on?
Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 03, 2011 09:23 PM (5I0Yr)
Posted by: Damn Dirty RINO at September 03, 2011 09:23 PM (+iwM3)
Posted by: Pmzey at September 04, 2011 01:19 AM (pmzey)
lol!! no one is scared at all. by all means she should jump right in!! the question is why hasnt she? why does she keep up this will she/wont she bit? fred was getting castigated for not making a decision in late august last cycle. of course fred was polling higher than sarah too.
Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 09:23 PM (xAq1C)
Posted by: Durka at September 03, 2011 09:24 PM (QjrRF)
Posted by: Damn Dirty RINO at September 03, 2011 09:27 PM (+iwM3)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 09:27 PM (nj1bB)
I mean why are conservatives trying out for Ed Schultz's job? If she falls on her face in the primary you can all say "I was right" and "Gooble Goble" etc whatever.
Posted by: Pmzey at September 03, 2011 09:27 PM (pmzey)
Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 03, 2011 09:30 PM (5I0Yr)
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 09:30 PM (nRTou)
"I think when teenagers rebel against parental authority, they think everything their parents do or say is wrong.
I think the Tea Party is a younger movement, looking at the GOP, in effect, as stupid parents who don't know shit."
I think the Tea Party is a youngster, looking at the GOP... like the mother who pretends nothing is wrong, nothing is going on, when Big Govt Daddy is doing bad things to it, to America...
That's not what I think -- we are in limbo til we gots the numbers -- but thats what some feel, and I understand.
Posted by: at_liberty at September 03, 2011 09:31 PM (mLzys)
Do you always put words in people's mouths?
I said she lost popularity in AK and that it trended downward and to a degree that quick passage of a modified, self-serving law under her tenure would be unlikely. Furthermore, she has wider audience and support now as a national figure than as a single-state actor.
To the extent of her odds being elected president, I haven't stated that here. You pulled that out of thin air. If she announces, I'll vote for her in the primaries if given the chance. If she doesn't, I'll back someone else. And for the record I think a pile of wet shit could be elected over Obama the way things are going; that would include Perry, Romney, Bachmann, Cain, a pile of dried shit, Kucinich, and even Palin!eleventy! Spin that how you wish.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 03, 2011 09:32 PM (r4t7/)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 09:33 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Damn Dirty RINO at September 03, 2011 09:33 PM (+iwM3)
Posted by: Damn Dirty RINO at September 04, 2011 01:12 AM (+iwM3)
No, actually, I'm giggling at the fact that someone so insignificant has everyone's panties in a bunch.
Posted by: Steph at September 03, 2011 09:36 PM (hfrm2)
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 04, 2011 01:32 AM (r4t7/)
well then state what your saying in regards to her polling numbers. at one point she was the most popular governor in teh country and you claim she could do nothing to influence legislation. now she has 70% of her own party saying she shouldnt run and your ready to storm the ramparts for her. you keep running around in circles w/ this issue. admit she fucked up quitting instead of fighting to change the law. just because she screwed up doesnt mean you cant support her still. but lots of us will not because of that and trying to convince us she had not options, etc, etc just reveals you to be a sycophant who thinks sarah can do no wrong.
Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 09:37 PM (xAq1C)
Okay, dumb question - what if she's just out there taking flak right now, and ends up endorsing Perry at some very opportune time (for him)? Will you gain any respect for her...? She is on our side, you know. This nonsense that she's only out for herself is verging on kos/huffpo territory. But it is "the narrative"...
Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 03, 2011 09:39 PM (5I0Yr)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 09:39 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Steph at September 04, 2011 01:36 AM (hfrm2)
yeah, i imagine everyone here tonite passed on some really fun stuff to be here tonite. for me the alternative was to watch star wars episode 1 so not sacrificing much
Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 09:39 PM (xAq1C)
Posted by: Pmzey at September 03, 2011 09:43 PM (pmzey)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 09:43 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 09:43 PM (nRTou)
Seriously. You can't figure out what her role in the next election is going to be?
She is NOT RUNNING.
Sarah will be the voice of The Tea Party in this election.
And whoever the nominee is... They better listen.
It's that easy.
Try to get with the program.
Posted by: Freedomplow at September 03, 2011 09:45 PM (GLP9X)
She resigned because she didn't want the job anymore, and wanted a different one. Period.
All the melodramatics about saving her family and the state are nonsense cooked up by people trying to convince themselves of something that isn't true.
Posted by: ace at September 04, 2011 01:39 AM (nj1bB)
Damn, Ace, you really paid money for that disgruntled aide's book, didn't you?
Posted by: Steph at September 03, 2011 09:45 PM (hfrm2)
She might have sacrificed her entire political career in the process. According to her detractors, she did do exactly that. But somehow this was totally and completely selfish because she wrote books like every other freaking politician. Oh, and stupid. Because she's stupid.
Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 03, 2011 09:45 PM (5I0Yr)
Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 09:46 PM (xAq1C)
>>>She has been out there in the arena, a la Teddy R.
>>>T-Paw? Perry? Not as much...
Yeah, because being a three-term governor of the biggest, fastest-growing state in the union (Perry), or fighting successfully tooth-and-nail against a hard-liberal legislature for conservative, low-tax/pro-growth over two terms (Pawlenty) isn't "in the arena."
Those guys were practically sunning themselves in Acapulco, they had it so fucking easy.
I can't believe you people sometimes. You think "in the arena" means "fielding softball questions from Sean Hannity for $5,000,000 a year" and "paying someone to write Facebook posts for you," as opposed to the hard work of actually, you know, GOVERNING.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 09:46 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: Beverly Nuckols at September 03, 2011 09:46 PM (QdL0g)
Posted by: DaMav at September 03, 2011 09:47 PM (QNU76)
I see, so Johnny, if we want to discuss/argue with you here we need to give you some kind of disparaging name, bring the leftest talking points, and kiss ass? Got it!
Posted by: Pmzey at September 03, 2011 09:50 PM (pmzey)
She sacrificed NOTHING, not even (from the looks of her rabid fanbase) the chance to be considered as a presidential candidate. She gained EVERYTHING: massive financial gain, a far, far easier and more rewarding lifestyle, media celebrity, people hanging on her every word, and the ability to wield influence and power without even the slightest shred of responsibility to any constituents.
It's actually getting sickening how Palinistas keep trying to spin her actions as "sacrificial." It was the most selfish fucking thing she could have done. She left the people of Alaska in the lurch to make money and be a media figure. And she didn't even emphasize a "need to protect herself or her family" when she did it. That is, as Ace has pointed out ten thousand times on this thread alone, REVISIONIST HISTORY by her narrative-shaping fans.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 09:52 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: Damn Dirty RINO at September 03, 2011 09:52 PM (+iwM3)
Posted by: Oghma at September 03, 2011 09:54 PM (f0qST)
And now your sin of omission WRT my rather significant point about contemporary trends and running away from that fact. She did exactly what I'd have done in her shoes. Because you assert it a fuckup doesn't make it so. And how exactly is defending her on this point an all encompassing treatise that "Sarah can do no wrong?" You keep introducing preconceived baggage of your own mind.
chas: "just because she screwed up doesnt mean you cant support her still. but lots of us will not because of that and trying to convince us she had not options, etc, etc just reveals you to be a sycophant who thinks sarah can do no wrong."
Hey, thanks for the blessing. Good to know I've earned your permission. As far as convincing you of options, that's a moot point. I'm not trying to convince you of the options. They were known and have been hashed numerous times. (Check Ace's archives if you weren't here during Palinmania.) I'm appending context to the "quitting" narrative that is steadfastly ignored whenever Palin's tenure is challenged.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 03, 2011 09:54 PM (r4t7/)
*I don't believe ALL of this, just trying get myself primed (pun intended).
Posted by: Pmzey at September 03, 2011 09:55 PM (pmzey)
And, somehow, you've convinced yourself that voters are going to line up in droves so she can take the spectacle with her into the White House.
Posted by: Damn Dirty RINO at September 03, 2011 09:56 PM (+iwM3)
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But it is "the narrative"...
Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 04, 2011 01:39 AM (5I0Yr)
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No. What this is.....is an outpouring of "fed up with the bullshit" that has been coming from Palin's direction.
All this year Palin has been saying that she was waiting to see if a "strong conservative" entered the race. Well Perry is that guy. He is even further to the right than Palin ever has been.
But instead of indorsing Perry, there has been a non-stop flow of Perry bashing going on for the last three weeks.....on just about every site that allows commenting. And it has been coming from Palin supporters.
So, this is not "lets suddenly bash Sarah today"....this is pushback towards what has been instigated by and flowed from, team Palin.
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 03, 2011 09:56 PM (EJCSi)
Posted by: Oghma at September 04, 2011 01:54 AM (f0qST)
she had the highes approval ratings of any sitting governor. how is that misinterpreting?
Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 09:57 PM (xAq1C)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 09:58 PM (nj1bB)
That wasn't spin. I explained it carefully in extremely straightforward words. Did the people of AK vote to have their state house become the political spectacle that the DNC operatives made it post-election? Yes or no...?
She left the people of Alaska in the lurch to make money and be a media figure.
How did she leave them in the lurch? What lurch? It's another thing I explained that you ignored to make some point about her "family", which I said absolutely nothing about.
Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 03, 2011 09:59 PM (5I0Yr)
Obama will lose big and Sarah will have a lot to do with it.
She will be offered "energy secretary" and turn it down.
Posted by: Freedomplow at September 03, 2011 09:59 PM (GLP9X)
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 10:02 PM (nRTou)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 10:03 PM (nj1bB)
They elected her to be their governor. She resigned halfway through her term for reasons that were frankly self-interested (and not, say, something understandable like health-related issues). How is that NOT bugging out on one's responsibilities and leaving the people who elected you to serve in the lurch?
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 10:03 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: DaMav at September 03, 2011 10:04 PM (QNU76)
This is primary season. Candidates are supposed to get bashed. I guarantee you there's a lot of people lining up to bash Rick Perry right now. It's not all Palin supporters, or even most. F*ck, just asking a question about Rick Perry's record two days after he entered the race was considered an off-limits "bash", and Perry people suddenly became as sensitive about him as supporters of every other candidate are about their guy. But their strangely prickly cactus defenses are selfless and amazing or something, and Palin is a shrew b*tch whore.
Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 03, 2011 10:04 PM (5I0Yr)
Will the American people vote to have the White House become the spectacle that DNC operative would make it post-election? Yes or no...?
Posted by: Damn Dirty RINO at September 03, 2011 10:05 PM (+iwM3)
If she's getting the pinball treatment from the media (including conservatives) now what will happen if she does enter? Maybe you guys really are being trolled by her. If so I lol in your general direction.
Posted by: Pmzey at September 03, 2011 10:06 PM (pmzey)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 10:06 PM (nj1bB)
The state house had become a clusterf*ck of miserable ethics charges, funded by the endless coffers of the DNC, in an effort to destroy her. That's not what Alaska voters voted for.
So she resigned, left her lieutenant in charge to run the government exactly how she was running it before the nomination... and returned Alaska to the dark political corner of the world it has always resided in. You can't see this at all? Not a shred of it rings any possible truth bells for you? Really?
Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 03, 2011 10:08 PM (5I0Yr)
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 10:09 PM (nRTou)
Posted by: Damn Dirty RINO at September 03, 2011 10:10 PM (+iwM3)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 10:10 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: at_liberty at September 03, 2011 10:10 PM (mLzys)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 10:11 PM (nj1bB)
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Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 04, 2011 02:04 AM (5I0Yr)
From the other candidates.....fine. But Palin is not a candidate is she? Right now she is only a self appointed judge of what a "true conservative" is, while keeping herself safe from the vetting process by remaining in this state of indecision.
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 03, 2011 10:12 PM (EJCSi)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 10:12 PM (nj1bB)
This is a statement of concession. Once you've moved to the "lighten up, Francis!" stage, you've acknowledged that you can't rebut the argument.
I don't get ulcers, by the way. And I'm perfectly calm.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 10:13 PM (hIWe1)
I do know this. You would be unwise to think her support is that eroded. Whoever gets the nod will learn this lesson.
Posted by: Pmzey at September 03, 2011 10:13 PM (pmzey)
Yeah, so that happens when your guy is "the guy". And sensitivity spikes. It doesn't make you crazed... unless you absolutely can't stand it when other people do it for their candidate. Or do you think Captain Rick is the first nominee to ever face people with an agenda?
As it happens, I was referring to critics in comments sections, who should be allowed to ask about a record of someone new to the national scene without having 500 people jump down their throat.
Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 03, 2011 10:13 PM (5I0Yr)
Posted by: DaMav at September 03, 2011 10:16 PM (QNU76)
This argument is invalid. The same reason O'Donnell was put up (sentiment in the country) is what gave us back the house. Period.
Posted by: Pmzey at September 03, 2011 10:17 PM (pmzey)
Posted by: ThatGuy at September 03, 2011 10:18 PM (M8UmI)
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 10:18 PM (nRTou)
Or is this now another novel trait of Palin supporters but doesn't apply to anybody else at all, because supporters of everyone else are so fair-minded about their candidate and supporters of Palin are crazed lunatics who {gasp} think good things about her?
Anybody else, like supporters of Rick Perry, who has apparently never done anything wrong of note at all? Ever? And the things that he has done wrong we can let slide because, well, RICK PERRY...
MOTHERF*CKERS?
Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 03, 2011 10:20 PM (5I0Yr)
Posted by: Damn Dirty RINO at September 03, 2011 10:21 PM (+iwM3)
Again, yes. I know you'd make a better governor what with the spitting on hands to hoist the black flag and slitting some throats, but some of us just aren't made of the sterner stuff. Or find a different avenue more productive.
"Guess the serving the people who had elected her in a position of high trust wasn't high on her priority list."
Of course that's right. Officiating from the court and from law offices remains profoundly productive and in the best interest of trusting constituents. They love that sort of prioritization. Look how well Clinton and Blagojevich were able to sideline events and make their offices glide like Castrol. For the People.
"She resigned because she didn't want the job anymore, and wanted a different one. Period."
OK, on this I might agree. But I, unlike you, think her reasons -- and reasons shared by me -- were justified. Under the conditions at the time, I understand not wanting the job anymore as structured. Our rationalizations differ which is fine. But that's not what pisses me off. It's the passive-aggressive, shortcut "quitting" slam that gets tossed so readily. It's such a lazy and dishonest attack that it merits a skit on SNL.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 03, 2011 10:22 PM (r4t7/)
Dang and we were so close! I blame it on O'Donnell and 2010 in general.
Okay, I gotta go.
I'm in the middle of a big bike race.
Posted by: Pmzey at September 03, 2011 10:23 PM (pmzey)
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 10:25 PM (nRTou)
Yes, one where Palin keeps quitting everything abruptly.
You still don't seem to understand: even IF her reasons were "justified" (they weren't, not even close) she STILL is a quitter. People who quit for good reasons are still looked upon as severely damaged goods. People who quit for bad reasons? They're unelectable.
Those are your two choices with Palin, NOT "totally undamaged" vs. "sort of damaged."
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 10:25 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 10:26 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 03, 2011 10:26 PM (8Zpuz)
Posted by: Pmzey at September 03, 2011 10:26 PM (pmzey)
Sarah Palin is a Stuttering Clusterfuck of a Miserable Failure.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 10:27 PM (hIWe1)
Ace weren't you down on Rubio for a little bit?
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 03, 2011 10:28 PM (8Zpuz)
Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 04, 2011 02:20 AM (5I0Yr)
rick has done wrong, gardasil and trans texas corridor are 2 right off the bat. some people will never forgive him for those things and that is their perogative. me, i see it as he tried to lead in a direction saw there was too much resistance and dropped the issues. if people want to castigate him for floating ideas than so be it. it just make others wary of ever trying new things. hell, even w/ those black marks he beat the crap out of KBH in the primary and white in the general.
Posted by: chas at September 03, 2011 10:28 PM (xAq1C)
It might seem that way until you consider the fact that the chief rationale her supporters offer up in her defense is that she's the only "fighter" in the bunch willing to take it to the opposition and not back down. The day she resigned was the day that facade began to crumble.
Posted by: Damn Dirty RINO at September 03, 2011 10:28 PM (+iwM3)
Ace, you think she's going to run?
I don't think so anymore....That thing she said today about "I'm not for sale" gives her the out that she can play with to justify not running.
I mean, who would seriously donate to her in the quantities that will be necessary to win, with her record of cut and run? So, now she can simply say that she 'refused to sell her soul' in order to get in the race.
Which serves to further insinuate that 'everyone but her' is an impure sellout.
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 03, 2011 10:29 PM (EJCSi)
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 04, 2011 02:27 AM (hIWe1)
Oh lawd. It's on.
Hard to make that argument when you look at how financially successful she is though.
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 03, 2011 10:29 PM (8Zpuz)
Yes, attacks on Palin seem rather lefty to me also.
Posted by: Pmzey at September 03, 2011 10:30 PM (pmzey)
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 10:31 PM (nRTou)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 10:32 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 04, 2011 02:31 AM (nRTou)
Everything Obama has, and everything he is, was handed to him. Including his damn ghostwritten "memoir." Whatever else you can say about her, Sarah Palin is definitely a self-made woman.
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 03, 2011 10:33 PM (8Zpuz)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 10:33 PM (nj1bB)
I think it was all of those things: Personal, professional, legal, sacrificial. She was in a corner and found a productive way to get out. I don't think there's any way she could have predicted her post-office success (or failure) though many assume they could. Stardom is fleeting and she couldn't possibly predict that; so, she salvaged what she could and left AK politics in less openly hostile hands. Then she capitalized on fame and recognition to a) finance her future and b) become a movement candidate.
I'd say she's been amazingly successful and she's done good work for conservatives despite heavily loaded slings and arrows. Self-centered? I dunno. That's living, isn't it? But self-sacrificial, too. Everyone measures with his own scale.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 03, 2011 10:33 PM (r4t7/)
Posted by: mrobvious at September 03, 2011 10:34 PM (G7Jng)
Posted by: Damn Dirty RINO at September 03, 2011 10:34 PM (+iwM3)
Paid engagements? No it doesn't. They have nothing to do with one another. Sh*t... doing most of the engagements unpaid would probably play heavily into the "stupid" meme, and rightly so.
Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 03, 2011 10:35 PM (5I0Yr)
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 10:35 PM (nRTou)
(I don't really mean that, nor do I think it's good but why not? Every bodies doing it!)
Posted by: Pmzey at September 03, 2011 10:36 PM (pmzey)
Posted by: ace at September 04, 2011 02:33 AM (nj1bB)
Yeah, archives seem to bear that out. A horny Ewok is tough to miss.
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 03, 2011 10:38 PM (8Zpuz)
Posted by: Pmzey at September 03, 2011 10:38 PM (pmzey)
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 10:38 PM (nRTou)
Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 03, 2011 10:38 PM (5I0Yr)
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 04, 2011 02:33 AM (r4t7/)
Self sacrificial, eh. Have you seen her house in Arizona?
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 03, 2011 10:39 PM (8Zpuz)
Posted by: Freedomplow at September 03, 2011 10:39 PM (GLP9X)
Because all the facts matter unless you prefer filtered data.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 03, 2011 10:40 PM (r4t7/)
Posted by: Pmzey at September 03, 2011 10:40 PM (pmzey)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 10:43 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 10:44 PM (nRTou)
Paid Speaking Engagements - Every politician who can does this
Reality Show - That was a little weird. Probably hoping for some image rehab. Then she got tried and convicted for mass murder committed by a deranged lefty.
Daughter on Reality Show - Daughter's decision.
Television Contract - For political punditry. Not particularly unprecedented, really.
So out of that list, I see one weird thing. The Alaska show.
I did say I was quitting. Guess I'm not as good at quitting as her!!
Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 03, 2011 10:45 PM (5I0Yr)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 10:47 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 10:47 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 10:48 PM (nRTou)
1300 comments. Ace up till 2. Fucking Jeffb, being jeffb.
All for a dumb quitter.
Now that I think about it, the gay Rubio shit is a little less funny, and a lot more gay.
Posted by: Twat Spotter at September 03, 2011 10:52 PM (ucASA)
Those are your two choices with Palin, NOT 'totally undamaged' vs. 'sort of damaged.'"
Primaries are for determining who is electable and unelectable. And even then we get "electables" like McCain. When Palin declares and enters the oh-so-defined policy wonk debate that others are assertedly advancing, then I'll measure Palin against them. I like a good primary and look forward to detail other than, "Hey, that Palin sure has an annoying voice." And, "Did ya see what she was wearing? Nice tits and all and I'll vote for the boobies, but not the booby."
Besides, Perry will get damaged, too. Everyone gets damaged. He'll be sorta damaged. If he gets the roto-rooting Palin got, he'll be quite damaged. But since this is a referendum election on SCoaMF, it won't matter. A damaged bag of wet shit could be president in 2012.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 03, 2011 10:52 PM (r4t7/)
I think the Palinistas are just pissy because they heard that Rick Perry is a better shot than Palin.
Personally I'm hoping to see a campaign video of Perry and Nugent shooting giant wild hogzillas from a hellicopter. With the tag line:
"Send Perry to Washington to get Fedzilla off our backs"
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 03, 2011 10:54 PM (EJCSi)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 10:54 PM (nj1bB)
Palin is not Christine O'Donnell. Like I said, I would vote for Perry, but I will stand by my earlier statement that right now people just want someone who is for real; loves America, not a commie or socialist, follows the constitution, etc. etc. These people running the country now are the supposed smart ones. The economy will not recover while this man is in office, so yes I want the Republicans to win and maybe Perry is the guy to do that. But that doesn't mean people have to tear down SP. Also, Rick Perry smells like yeasty bread. lol
Posted by: Pmzey at September 03, 2011 10:54 PM (pmzey)
That's why Palin is never going to declare
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 03, 2011 10:54 PM (8Zpuz)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 10:55 PM (nj1bB)
I didn't say she was "all about sacrifice". I said that her act of resigning the governorship was potentially sacrificing her political career for the good of her state, which was being overrun by DNC thugs and operatives. I didn't even say it was amazing or anything. Just that that's pretty much a fact if you believe her state was better off with her lieutenant running it and with the DNC out of its hair, and that her political career was worse off.
Many supposedly very smart pundits who claim to be a lot smarter than her, said her career was over that day, and the meme for nearly a year afterwards was that she was "irrelevant".
Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 03, 2011 10:55 PM (5I0Yr)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 10:57 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 10:58 PM (nRTou)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 10:59 PM (nj1bB)
Rick Perry debuting at 14%!!! Numbers change? ZOMG!
Posted by: Pmzey at September 03, 2011 11:00 PM (pmzey)
A dummy with degrees from Columbia and Harvard Law. Sure, we know he's not that smart, but to the average person, those degrees do (and should) sound reputable enough. Most people like to pretend affirmative action doesn't exist.
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 03, 2011 11:00 PM (8Zpuz)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 11:01 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 11:02 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Damn Dirty RINO at September 03, 2011 11:03 PM (+iwM3)
But if she does run, she can't really win the primary can she? That would be idiotic to think that, right?
Posted by: Pmzey at September 03, 2011 11:03 PM (pmzey)
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 11:03 PM (nRTou)
Not yet. I'll assume it's sweet. But yeah, self-sacrificial along with the aforementioned considerations. She can do good while she does good for herself. I'm not voting for Janice the Baptist though some project that "Palinistas" must behave with deluded, religious fervor apart and above their own unique candidate of relative purity.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 03, 2011 11:04 PM (r4t7/)
She took the chance of becoming "irrelevant" when she did it, and her state was far better off after she left.
And to quibble - she showed up on her daughter's reality show more than once.
In the audience. Is there a unit smaller than a quibble?
Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 03, 2011 11:05 PM (5I0Yr)
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 11:06 PM (nRTou)
November 13, 1979; for comparison.
If perhaps you have advanced the "shit or git off the pot" bs, perhaps you need a litte perspective.
Posted by: Twat Spotter at September 03, 2011 11:06 PM (ucASA)
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 04, 2011 03:04 AM (r4t7/)
Getting paid for doing good is usually not considered sacrificial.
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 03, 2011 11:07 PM (8Zpuz)
Posted by: Pmzey at September 03, 2011 11:07 PM (pmzey)
Posted by: Damn Dirty RINO at September 03, 2011 11:08 PM (+iwM3)
Totally random question, but your username leads me to wonder: are you Japanese? Or is the name just some reference I don't get?
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 11:11 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 11:11 PM (nRTou)
Posted by: Pmzey at September 03, 2011 11:11 PM (pmzey)
And if she had done that it would have proved to you she wasn't a quitter? Or anyone else? Wouldn't the meme then be that she "quit" so she would have selfish time to get smart about stuff and selfishly run for higher office? You're a pretty intelligent dude with good reasoning skills, but you seriously don't think you're the only person who can play this game, right?
Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 03, 2011 11:12 PM (5I0Yr)
Early poll O'Donnell vs. Coons:
38-53
Early poll Palin vs. Obama
37-51
Nothing alike. Nothing at all alike.
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May 1980:
Reagan 41
Carter 49
Posted by: mrobvious at September 03, 2011 11:12 PM (G7Jng)
You're going to nail her for showing up and supporting her daughter in a big live national competition in front of millions because it gave her a total of a minute and thirty seconds of TV face time? Clapping?
Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 03, 2011 11:15 PM (5I0Yr)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 11:16 PM (nj1bB)
Early poll O'Donnell vs. Coons:
38-53
Early poll Palin vs. Obama
37-51
Nothing alike. Nothing at all alike.
--------------------------------------------
May 1980:
Reagan 41
Carter 49
--------------------------------------------Terms as Governor
Ronald Reagan 2
Sarah Palin ½
Posted by: Damn Dirty RINO at September 03, 2011 11:16 PM (+iwM3)
>>>November 13, 1979; for comparison.
>>>If perhaps you have advanced the "shit or git off the pot" bs, perhaps you need a litte perspective.I constantly see this cited ("Reagan didn't announce until November 1979!! ZOMG!") and every time I want to bang my head against a wall. Two things:
1.) The primary calendar and the campaign cycle was radically different in 1979-80 than it is in the 21st century. In terms of technology, media, the way campaigns are run, money issues, ad buys, donor campaigns (especially the amount you need to raise in order to compete) it has ALL CHANGED. Comparisons are retarded for that reason alone.
2.) They're especially retarded in the case of Reagan 1980. Reagan's announcement in November 1979 was a FORMALITY. It wasn't one of those "will he or won't he?" Palin dances; Reagan had been the frontrunner for the GOP nomination ever since 1976, pretty much, when he came in a very close second to Gerald Ford. Reagan was already making campaign appearances, raising money, giving speeches, assembling a team, etc. He had been for YEARS. So saying "but he didn't announce until November!" is just about the most ridiculous comparison imaginable. It's like saying Hillary Clinton didn't announce for the 2012 campaign until [X] -- it was a 100% given that both would be candidates, and leading ones at that.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 11:17 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 04, 2011 03:11 AM (hIWe1)
Yoshi is just because I like Mario's dinosaur. I'm half-Asian from an oriental tribe in India.
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 03, 2011 11:18 PM (8Zpuz)
Offhand, I'd say her Tea Party influence in 2010; the money she draws for the GOP and conservatives; the visits into hostile territory (see WI/collective bargaining elections for example); and, yes, her Facebook drivebys which are pretty nice policy summaries. She's often first, or very early anyway, with the smackdowns of SCoaMF and opens the polished body politick of the Right to piling on when these "leaders" don't show the gonads to lead. IOW, her record is not one of a wallflower.
As far as diva status, I don't see it. She meets and greet tens of thousands of people on and off her bus. Are they the "people who matter"? I dunno, but she does mingle (though she does need a security entourage for good reason). Would antagonists like to perpetuate the "diva" meme? Sure. It's politics, not beanbag. Pundit status? Yes, she's undoubtedly that, for better or for worse. Now I can identify more with her than with pretty much any of the punditocracy (though I like Gutfield and Van Susteren as far as "wonks" go), so I have a commoner bias that blinds me from the infinite wisdom so many of the smart people insist that they have. I'm just not clever enough to see it. Ergo, PALINISTA!
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 03, 2011 11:19 PM (r4t7/)
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 11:20 PM (nRTou)
Though it would be fucking sweet if she announced for the 2012 campaign too.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 11:20 PM (hIWe1)
She's not telling you if she's going to enter or not yet? Crap.
Oh well, she's dumb and a quitter.
Posted by: Pmzey at September 03, 2011 11:20 PM (pmzey)
Right, okay. I didn't realize you were talking pre-quit.
Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 03, 2011 11:20 PM (5I0Yr)
Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 04, 2011 03:15 AM (5I0Yr)
I tend to agree Bristol is pretty much at fault here. The only other woman who'd ever do Dancing with the Stars + Cover of People in bridal wear + floating idea for her first marriage as reality show I can think of is Jessica Simpson. But Jessica Simpson doesn't try to get on TV about politics about the same time.
Not hard to see how the Palins are kind of a household joke at this point.
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 03, 2011 11:21 PM (8Zpuz)
So, she had to quit because she couldn't afford to hire private lawyers to defend herself against an abusive process of crap lawsuits that was in place because she's a reformer of other "career politicians" (dontcha know, the ones who had been a mayor, on the oil board thingy and gov [oops]), right?
But, she couldn't announce until after her multi-million dollar salmon fishing business was placed in Track's capable hands, but Todd had to be there because it's in his name because he got a license based on his ethnicity?
Which is it?
She was too middle-class to have hired lawyers to defend herself so she had to quit to her job half way though (don't most mama grizzlies quit fighting when someone is trying to steal their integrity away - no, I didn't think so either).
Or she has to keep fishing so that she could leave the money and legacy to her kids.....
Posted by: Salmon at September 03, 2011 11:21 PM (VxqUc)
Posted by: DaMav at September 03, 2011 11:23 PM (QNU76)
Posted by: Pmzey at September 03, 2011 11:23 PM (pmzey)
She endorsed a lot of good candidates, including Ricky. She talks non-stop about conservatism in an accessible way. How many words in her speech today were "I"? Anyone get a count?
Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 03, 2011 11:23 PM (5I0Yr)
If the month has gone by without a story about Palin's team getting snippy with an organizer or a journalist, it might be a sign of Armageddon.
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 03, 2011 11:24 PM (8Zpuz)
Posted by: Kevin in ABQ at September 03, 2011 11:25 PM (x81hH)
Nobody ever believes this -- hell, it's hard for me to believe myself -- but I was a big Palin supporter back in 2008. And I mean invested. (We've got the comments here on AoSHQ to prove it.) It was only after the campaign ended and the postmortem began that I concluded that she hadn't really been quite up to the job, but even then I still supported her on the logic that she was young, inexperienced, and that she would improve her game over time.
It never happened.
Then she quit.
Then the madness really began. It's been downhill ever since.
I never thought she would be a good presidential candidate (because she never demonstrated any intelligence), but psychologically, I was really only well and truly done with her when she endorsed Christine O'Donnell and Ken Buck over two perfectly electable candidates who would be GOP Senators today if not for her (and one of them, Jane Norton of CO, would have been a very solid conservative too).
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 11:26 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 11:26 PM (nRTou)
Early poll O'Donnell vs. Coons:
38-53
Early poll Palin vs. Obama
37-51
Nothing alike. Nothing at all alike.
--------------------------------------------------
January 29, 1980
Reagan 31
Carter 65
"President Carter so dominates the American political scene now that his margin over Ronald Reagan in a post-Iowa trial heat has risen to an overwhelming 65-31 percent. And against George Bush, the GOP candidate who finished first in the recent Iowa caucuses, Carter leads by only a slightly lower 62-32 percent. These latest ABC News -Harris Survey results,..."
Posted by: mrobvious at September 03, 2011 11:27 PM (G7Jng)
You think anyone (like Perry, or Johnny) would take her seriously if she hinted to that effect.
Posted by: Pmzey at September 03, 2011 11:27 PM (pmzey)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2011 11:28 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Damn Dirty RINO at September 03, 2011 11:29 PM (+iwM3)
I thought the Kate Gosselin on her show like a "Kardashian Moment" was a nice touch. Totally presidential.
/sarc
Posted by: Nora at September 03, 2011 11:29 PM (VxqUc)
Posted by: Pmzey at September 03, 2011 11:29 PM (pmzey)
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 11:29 PM (nRTou)
She also endorsed Christine O'Donnell. And Ken Buck. And Clint fucking Didier, the asshole Tea Party guy in WA who refused to endorse Dino Rossi after the primary and whose recalcitrance may well have prevented us from winning that seat by keeping a crucial number of Tea Party bitter-enders away from the polls.
Also, remember the lying clown Vaughn Ward in Idaho? Lucky for us Raul Labrador managed to squeak him out in the primary (despite Palin pushing hard for Ward), or else an ultra-red congressional seat would have remained in Dem hands.
Oh yeah, and she did a great job of marshalling her popularity in Alaska to get Joe Miller over the finish line in a 65% Republican state.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 11:30 PM (hIWe1)
NO WAI DUDE REAGAN DIDN'T EVEN ANNOUNCE UNTIL NOVEMBER 1979 YOU MUST BE MISTAKEN.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 11:32 PM (hIWe1)
Now you're just being snippy.
Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 03, 2011 11:32 PM (5I0Yr)
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 11:32 PM (nRTou)
Did you know Perry went to a crazy church? It's not gonna feel good when he gets Palinizied either. And that's not just a stab. It will happen. And I won't like that either.
Posted by: Pmzey at September 03, 2011 11:33 PM (pmzey)
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 04, 2011 03:26 AM (nRTou)
I see a lot of potential for her as a kingmaker. Swinging that 10% (if it really is that low) can be pretty valuable in a primary.
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 03, 2011 11:33 PM (8Zpuz)
Now, if she jumps in, a circus we will have.
Posted by: Pmzey at September 03, 2011 11:35 PM (pmzey)
Of course the bottom could fall out of the economy and it could be a blowout all along, which would be even better.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 11:35 PM (hIWe1)
Don't forget Carly Fironia - that was a grrrrrrreat endorsement Boy Howdy!
Screw Chuck DeVore. Carly's a Momma Grizzly.
Posted by: Schticky Sarah at September 03, 2011 11:36 PM (VxqUc)
>>>dead heat in april 1979, mrobvious:
I agree that polls taken so far out are meaningless horseshit.
Posted by: mrobvious at September 03, 2011 11:39 PM (G7Jng)
And some have argued that The Quitting™ killed her political aspirations. Yes, she sacrificed.
And then she self-preserved.
And then she capitalized.
And now she makes kings.
But, to some, she is too stupid to have planned this sequence of varying public benefit (being Alaska Barbie and all), so the cascade started with just the sacrifice and then everything else just sorta fell into place.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 03, 2011 11:40 PM (r4t7/)
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 11:43 PM (nRTou)
Posted by: mrobvious at September 03, 2011 11:43 PM (G7Jng)
Posted by: Damn Dirty RINO at September 03, 2011 11:45 PM (+iwM3)
>>>Don't forget Carly Fironia - that was a grrrrrrreat endorsement Boy Howdy!
>>>Screw Chuck DeVore. Carly's a Momma Grizzly.
Actually, I don't blame her for that one. Fiorina was almost certainly the best possible candidate we could've run in that race; California is simply beyond reach of the GOP at this point no matter who they run.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 03, 2011 11:46 PM (hIWe1)
Common Sense Conservative.....
I thought if I said it enough with my first post-quitting governor interview with Rush that it would make me sound polished. Then Rush joked about after the interview and I thought, "I need a new talking point or two to mix it up like a caribou jumbalaya, I tell ya."
I really like the some words go together you know, like "Mama Grizzly" but I needed to read the Wasilla Quarterly and then I thought, "why am I a reading when I could make a reality tv show like them there Kim and Khloe and the gang?'
Now I endorsed Rick Perry but he's just a crony corportists and I have cultists so I win! On target!
Posted by: Schticky Sarah at September 03, 2011 11:48 PM (VxqUc)
She is playing politics. Like all of them. Let me ask you another question. Do you think Rick Perry would offer her a job for her support? How about Romney? Bachman? Cain would for sure wouldn't he?
I bet they all would. They all want her on their team. Why show your cards now? Makes no sense. And again, we still don't know if she is running or not! ha
Posted by: Pmzey at September 03, 2011 11:48 PM (pmzey)
Posted by: 2012 Slogan at September 03, 2011 11:50 PM (VxqUc)
Please don't run, Sarah.
Posted by: kcs at September 03, 2011 11:52 PM (9/ZmW)
Had she endorsed Hutchison, the 2010 election would've been very different. Everyone has contempt for the familiar and especially so for politicians. Perry was not as popular as you think until Palin came in early and backed him. He was strong but not dominant. Palin's early backing pretty much sucked any energy from what would have been a formidable Hutchison campaign, and it helped drive the Tea Party to him rather than her. BTW, I'm glad Perry won, but his win wasn't guaranteed.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 03, 2011 11:53 PM (r4t7/)
Posted by: 2012 Slogan at September 03, 2011 11:54 PM (VxqUc)
"Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 04, 2011 03:53 AM "
Wow, Gary42356 has a new handle, who knew?
It's called medication. If you can't afford it Astra Zeneca can help you afford them.
You need Undelusionix - lots of it, and often.
Posted by: 2012 Slogan at September 03, 2011 11:56 PM (VxqUc)
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 03, 2011 11:57 PM (nRTou)
"Everyone has contempt for the familiar and especially so for politicians." -AnonymousDrivel at September 04, 2011 03:53 AM
Ain't that the truth....
Posted by: Governor Quitter Turned Alaskan Reality TV Star at September 03, 2011 11:59 PM (VxqUc)
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 04, 2011 12:00 AM (nRTou)
Well the Palinistas did exactly what I needed for the ole insomnia - bored me to sleep.
Thanks dudes. Wow, you do serve a purpose.
Posted by: Nora at September 04, 2011 12:01 AM (VxqUc)
"Jeff B. at September 04, 2011 03:46 AM "
true, but goes agains the Nista meme that she is sooooooo ideologically pure and perfect in every way that she only, only, only ever, ever, ever would back a pure conservative....
Posted by: Nora at September 04, 2011 12:03 AM (VxqUc)
Posted by: Pmzey at September 04, 2011 12:04 AM (pmzey)
OMG! He's worse than that hick Palin's husband! Of course all the Palin bashers will spin when the time comes for this or the Bernake remark, or the church, or whatever else is coming down the pike.
Seriously though, for all you Palin haters out there, get ready to defend many of the same things Palin was berated for. There are a lot of similarities.
Posted by: Pmzey at September 04, 2011 12:07 AM (pmzey)
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 04, 2011 12:08 AM (nRTou)
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 04, 2011 03:17 AM (hIWe1)
So what? Who says that's how Sarah Palin has to do things now?
This is what exposes the Palin critics who also claim to be conservatives. WhatÂ’s so conservative about Ace demanding that she keep to his whatever schedule for announcing her candidacy, if or when she does? Where is it written that Palin or any other candidate for that matter, from either side, must announce her candidacy before some arbitrary deadline?
Sarah Palin defined exactly what America needs to replace the Stuttering Clusterfuck of a Miserable Failure.
Posted by: YFS at September 04, 2011 12:17 AM (Qo7sI)
If Palin had given her blessing? Yep. Not all of it because Medina was gaining support until quite late in the primaries, but some Tea Partyers would have reconsidered. Others would have swing to Medina. But the margin would have been much closer.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 04, 2011 12:39 AM (r4t7/)
Right.
You so don't care that you'll be right back at it if/when Palin farts in Perry's general direction as the primaries heat up. C'mon. You care a little. You'll continue caring. It's not a crime.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 04, 2011 12:45 AM (r4t7/)
Posted by: totalstranger at September 04, 2011 04:24 AM (y3QiK)
Who is the better conservative standard-bearer?
Palin
78 %
Perry
22 %
42,178 votes
http://www.nationalreview.com/Posted by: Viator at September 04, 2011 05:08 AM (izkDx)
Posted by: ChuckTX at September 04, 2011 05:13 AM (Ugob2)
In the meantime, she collecting money in her Sarah PAC and for speaking engagements. The longer she plays fickle, the more money she gathers to herself.
I don't beleive she is serious about running. I think she's s about the concept of influence - that political money is power. I feel sorry for her adorers.
Posted by: Lilly at September 04, 2011 05:14 AM (udb+E)
Posted by: The Disappearing Spoon Audiobook at September 04, 2011 05:21 AM (lr9w5)
Posted by: wheelers cat at September 04, 2011 05:56 AM (GvqWB)
(VxqUc)
1344: Salmon
1356: Nora
1367, 1374: Schticky Sarah
1376,1379,1380: 2012 Slogan
(@1379: "Palinistas - Like Annoying Paulbots But Without All the Backward Spelling of LOVE")
1383: Governor Quitter Turned Alaskan Reality TV Star
1385,1386: Nora
(@1385: "Well the Palinistas did exactly what I needed for the ole insomnia - bored me to sleep.")
Posted by: mrobvious at September 04, 2011 06:15 AM (G7Jng)
Posted by: Y-not at September 04, 2011 06:54 AM (HH31x)
Posted by: blogforce one at September 04, 2011 07:45 AM (lICB9)
Posted by: DaMav at September 04, 2011 08:24 AM (QNU76)
NRO POLL
Who is the better conservative standard-bearer?Palin 78 %
Perry 22 %
42,886 votes
Posted by: DaMav at September 04, 2011 12:24 PM (QNU76)
A non-scientific internet poll? Are we supposed to care about that?
Posted by: robviously at September 04, 2011 09:07 AM (XYpRn)
Like not realizing that if the big knock on her was that she might not be smart enough for the job, she had to combat that by hitting the books and doing five or six wonky interviews to reverse that.
Instead she doubled-down on folksiness and "authenticity," which seems to be code for "not all filled with book-learnin'."
I said she would continue to lose support if she did that. Her supporters insisted I was wrong, that her down-home charm would be enough to win support.
Well, I hate to be the one to point out I told you so, but I did tell you so, and you insisted I was wrong, and said "Let sarah be sarah!," and here we are.
I told you all so too. As did many others. It was obvious, to those with a sufficient IQ. Even to those with an average IQ.
Posted by: Random at September 04, 2011 09:12 AM (YiE0S)
http://tiny.cc/5bgus
Oh, and show me a picture of any other candidate that even comes close to this one.
Posted by: Viator at September 04, 2011 09:16 AM (izkDx)
I'm sorry, why are we still talking about her for president?
The Presidency is a hard job. Even Barack obama's hair turned gray and he's a lazybones.
But she found that the governorship wasn't up her alley, and now it's time for the presidency?!?
WHAT?!?
I honestly cannot believe the massive mind-fuck people are doing on themselves to spin away QUITTING A GOVERNORSHIP AFTER JUST TWO YEARS.
All in a brilliant plan, it is alleged, to seek ANOTHER executive job!
What, am I taking crazy pills? Did someone just hit me with the wacky-stick??!
Disqualifying.
No spinning.
Done.
Exactly.
Posted by: Random at September 04, 2011 09:25 AM (YiE0S)
Shorter Ace:
"I'm having a hissy fit because Sarah didn't endorse Rick and tell the crowd that he's not only more conservative than Bill Buckley and possessed of a cleaner background than Jesus, but he's tall, dark and handsome, looks spiffy in Aggie yell leader and Corps gear, not to mention Air Force uniform, and can drive tenpenny nails, no hands, no hammers, IYKWIMIATYD."
Posted by: Rich Fader at September 04, 2011 09:41 AM (AwnzL)
Posted by: DaMav at September 04, 2011 09:42 AM (QNU76)
Sarah Palin is personally unpopular. She has been for a while. Whether justified or not, it is what it is. This is despite her endlessly promoting herself since quitting mid-way though her first term as Governor. I’ve never heard a Palin supporter explain to me the sort of magic she intends to use to change that. Please spare me the “well they thought Reagan couldn’t win” crap logic. Reagan was personally popular. The majority of Americans LIKED him. He was a two-term Governor of the largest state in the union. He had been active in politics for many years and had given highly detailed and substanative speeches.
The fact that Sarah Palin has been mistreated by the liberal media really does seem to be the emotional impetus for the support she gets as a possible candidate. Please forgive me if I don't wish to go on that political kamikaze mission with you.
Posted by: Reggie1971 at September 04, 2011 09:53 AM (0DGtF)
Posted by: Rich Fader at September 04, 2011 09:55 AM (AwnzL)
IQ.
Posted by: Random at September 04, 2011 09:56 AM (YiE0S)
Posted by: DaMav at September 04, 2011 10:04 AM (QNU76)
Wait, I think I said that above also.
But then I made the
IQ α 1/Religiosity
conection above.
Posted by: Random at September 04, 2011 10:06 AM (YiE0S)
There are plenty of conservatives who donate money to televangelists (and/or tithe money to often wealthy churches) on a regular basis.
Just saying.
Posted by: Random at September 04, 2011 10:17 AM (YiE0S)
Sorry, but she often did.
Hmmmm. Now what fraction of the GOP electorate supports Palin the strongest?
There is a limit to spin. Whoever it is who has these absurd ideas that we can just spin anything, because we are sooo smart and the public is so dumb they'll believe anything, really should check their own IQ.
Hmmmm.
Posted by: Random at September 04, 2011 10:36 AM (YiE0S)
Posted by: Barbara Haney at September 04, 2011 11:57 AM (mMFkN)
Posted by: DaMav at September 04, 2011 02:32 PM (QNU76)
"23 hours you folks have been beating a dead horse."
More like shooting it from a helicopter.
(Just doing my part, cherry pi)
Posted by: mrobvious at September 04, 2011 02:39 PM (G7Jng)
I am sad that the something Air site has more comments. I would have sworn that we could beat them out, we have more commenters and are more open.
I am not sad or angry that Ace supports Perry, it is fine with me. We get to argue and post and do the hobo shuffle still, so come on back all you commenters. We can still beat that 1560 something comment thread at that other place if we try, but no crony postings, ok?
Posted by: Tom_Ohio at September 04, 2011 03:09 PM (7U2lm)
Posted by: ugh at September 04, 2011 05:39 PM (8Fhk/)
Posted by: The Last Word Must Be Anti-Palin In Case You Don't Get It at September 04, 2011 08:38 PM (5I0Yr)
Posted by: DaMav at September 04, 2011 09:32 PM (QNU76)
Posted by: Heidi Thiess at September 04, 2011 09:48 PM (o1478)
Posted by: William Barrett Travis at September 04, 2011 11:15 PM (g86v0)
You're not exactly a fan of the Gov. I'd put you in the same category as Karl Rove. Always at the ready to take shots at Sarah Palin.
1. She never promised that she would announce her candidacy at this event. "See you on September 3rd!," is not "I'm makin' an announcement!". You projected that onto her. It was even leaked the night before that she would not being announcing at this event, so why are you so surprised that she didn't announce at this event? It had been said all along that you should not be expecting an announcement on this date. But you obviously listened to the "expert" Karl Rove, and not Sarah Palin's camp.
2. Your "full-throated" defense of the Tea Party was childish.
3. Sarah Palin laid out the principles of her plan to get this country back on the right track. It's a rally, not a Harvard business class. Maybe you would be more comfortable in Barack Obama's camp.
You sound like a little boy who didn't get what he wanted for Christmas. Sarah Palin will do things her way. She's not going to be pressured into doing something, because people such as yourself are impatient. She runs on her own time. And, I, for one, am willing to wait until she is ready to announce. Maybe you should follow Jon Huntsman's campaign, instead. It's much more predictable. You don't have the stomach for a Sarah Palin campaign. Adults only.
Posted by: bellagrazi at September 05, 2011 05:06 AM (2A3ET)
Posted by: Owen at September 05, 2011 08:09 PM (Z1bq5)
She never promised that she would announce her candidacy at this event. "See you on September 3rd!," is not "I'm makin' an announcement!".
Of course not. Some time ago Palin promised a radio guy in Alaska that if/when she decides to run she will announce it on his program. So when you hear that she is about to give a radio interview in Alaska you will know she is running.
Posted by: Decaf at September 07, 2011 03:56 AM (XUoX3)
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