March 10, 2011

The Most Predictable Financial Crisis In History
— Monty

All too true, alas. We crouch in the middle of the highway like a terrified rabbit, watching the oncoming car in a deadly kind of paralysis: we know it's going to kill us if we don't move...but sill we don't move.

Pull quote:

s Sen. Tom Coburn (R., Okla.), who served on the deficit commission and supported its recommendations, pointed out at a press conference this week, the United States has, historically, paid an average of 6 percent interest on its debt. It currently pays about 2 percent. If rates were to return simply to that historical average, it would involve an increase to our overall interest bill of $640 billion — to be paid immediately. “An impossible situation,” in Coburn’s words.

Doom! DOOM! DOOOOOOOOOOM! Flee! Run for your lives!

[EDIT]

President Obama is set to give a press-conference tomorrow to discuss oil prices. Either he's getting some disturbing vibes from the situation in Saudia Arabia, or he suddenly had another brainstorm on how high-speed rail will save us all.
[UPDATE]
I almost forgot -- I promised lauraw that every time I post a DOOM thread, I'd also post a picture of a cute little kitty to ease the burn.


Posted by: Monty at 04:37 PM | Comments (217)
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1 So, does this mean my investment strategy of bullets and MREs was prescient?

Posted by: VitriolicCynic at March 10, 2011 04:39 PM (elJA3)

2 I can haz comments?

Posted by: nickless at March 10, 2011 04:40 PM (MMC8r)

3 Senator Bill Nelson (D-FL) And Proper Testicle Maintenance In Africa http://www.practicalstate.com/?p=6060 Cheers

Posted by: Muckraker at March 10, 2011 04:40 PM (6K81O)

4 I gotz no comments now ??

Posted by: melvin at March 10, 2011 04:41 PM (3OCZw)

5 We crouch in the middle of the highway like a terrified rabbit, watching the oncoming car in a deadly kind of paralysis

In other words, we're tharn.

Posted by: FUBAR at March 10, 2011 04:41 PM (McG46)

6 Thanks Monty - this post fits the mood of the weather around here, gray, bleak, and gloomy. 

/Which I love because there's no sun. 

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at March 10, 2011 04:41 PM (axfiA)

7 Why is everyone so glum?

Posted by: Dave C at March 10, 2011 04:42 PM (QNN33)

8 Does this mean we can slip death threats under Barney Frank's door? Or only Coburn's? This new tone confuses me.

Posted by: George Orwell at March 10, 2011 04:43 PM (lwUmg)

9 I don't know, when were looting the liquor store, that first weekend after the apocalypse, those will be some good times.

Posted by: VitriolicCynic at March 10, 2011 04:43 PM (elJA3)

10 Financial morons--Is there wisdom in selling my townhouse (on which I'm slightly upside down) and just renting for awhile? Not like I'm getting any equity.

Posted by: USS Diversity at March 10, 2011 04:43 PM (gJNMj)

11 Ahh yes, we were wondering when a Montydooma's Rvenge post would come around and quash our dippin.  You never disappoint Monty

Posted by: Red Shirt at March 10, 2011 04:43 PM (FIDMq)

12 “An impossible situation,” in Coburn’s words.

Unless, of course, they hyperinflate the currency.  They 640 billion becomes pocket change.


Posted by: crosspatch at March 10, 2011 04:43 PM (ZbLJZ)

13

Thanks Monty - this post fits the mood of the weather around here, gray, bleak, and gloomy. 

/Which I love because there's no sun. 

Is it pouring in Central PA too? It's terrible over here. It's been raining non stop for 24 hours and looks to snow again tonight.

It's going to be a miserable week

Posted by: Ben at March 10, 2011 04:44 PM (DKV43)

14 Monty, these would be nicer to piss me off in the morning than a few hours before bed.

Posted by: nickless at March 10, 2011 04:44 PM (MMC8r)

15 I live down the street from NongShim, the instant noodle place. Their main factory and warehouse. I can eat like I am back in college during the doom.

Posted by: CAC at March 10, 2011 04:45 PM (Gr1V1)

16 Great title.

Posted by: rdbrewer at March 10, 2011 04:45 PM (xx42+)

17 Is it pouring in Central PA too? It's terrible over here. It's been raining non stop for 24 hours and looks to snow again tonight. It's been overcast and rainy here in Richmond, VA too..

Posted by: Dave C at March 10, 2011 04:46 PM (QNN33)

18 Unless, of course, they hyperinflate the currency.  They 640 billion becomes pocket change. a loaf of bread.

Edited for Weimar.

Posted by: nickless at March 10, 2011 04:46 PM (MMC8r)

19 Yeah,I can't get too excited by anything happening in Wisc or NJ,the doom is nation wide and they aren't even making a drop in the Pacific.

Posted by: steevy at March 10, 2011 04:46 PM (bzlmn)

20 ...so did the government engineer the recession in order that they could get a lower rate?

Posted by: dudeinsantacruz at March 10, 2011 04:47 PM (t5x0L)

21 haha, Genius in chief is calling a press conference tomm am to discuss energy prices situation...Im sure that will calm everybody down

Posted by: Red Shirt at March 10, 2011 04:47 PM (FIDMq)

22

Gross over at Pimco Bonds dropped UST debt / UST instruments from their portfolio

As soon as some biggy begins selling our UST-Scheisse and moves to commodities, the Herd will follow. It'll be over inside of 4-5 days

Thank heavens we have the Kenyan at the helm. His golf-fu is strong

V-Cynic / Numero Uno ... yo ! .... philosopher-comedienne L Tomlin was in your groove

"I try to be cynical, but it's too hard to keep up."

MREs, cartridges [ sorry, had to ... ammo if you prefer ]  Bugle Boy & Early Times halfpints

Posted by: Adolph at March 10, 2011 04:48 PM (TprFE)

23 Sometimes down here in Florida during the spring, we open the windows and let that cool-warm air filter through.  It's generally filled with a lively floral scent that, when mixed with a nice glass of pinot noir and a relaxing chair, put me in a fantastic relaxed mood.

And then Monty shows up....

Posted by: Johnny at March 10, 2011 04:48 PM (mhmc7)

24 Monty you need a cute little lolkitty with a Doom headline for these

Posted by: buzzion at March 10, 2011 04:48 PM (oVQFe)

25 Soon they will regulate and place limits on Hobo hunting due to shortages and a Hobo tag will be required.

Posted by: melvin at March 10, 2011 04:49 PM (3OCZw)

26 Is there wisdom in selling my townhouse (on which I'm slightly upside down) and just renting for awhile? Not like I'm getting any equity. Posted by: USS Diversity

Rental or primary residence?

Posted by: goldbricker esq at March 10, 2011 04:49 PM (S59+B)

27 I'm listening to the perfect soundtrack for Doom.SLAYER!!..Well,yeah,I pretty much have listened to them for 25 years.....

Posted by: steevy at March 10, 2011 04:50 PM (bzlmn)

28 Abandon your posts! Flee, flee for your lives!

Posted by: Lord Denethor at March 10, 2011 04:50 PM (oAVyq)

29 Again there is a simple, tried, and true way of fixing this problem. First deport all the desperately poor illegal aliens (and their kids) and don't worry about Constitutional citizenship, just getting rid of poor people.

Second, "blood for oil" and all that. The US has a handy military. It has weak, inept neighbors who are sending their poverty northward. Why not invade, seize valuable resources, like oil, gold, and silver, and extract them all? Back the US dollar explicitly with a basket of oil, gold, and silver. Bingo, the US dollar gets a lot stronger, rates go DOWN, and the US interest costs become far more manageable.

Yes, sucks for Latin Americans. But who the hell really cares about them, anyway? Want to fix the US debt crisis? That's how to do it. And eventually, it will be done. One way or another.

Posted by: whiskey at March 10, 2011 04:50 PM (L03mw)

30 Is it pouring in Central PA too? It's terrible over here. It's been raining non stop for 24 hours and looks to snow again tonight.

I'm considering building an Ark.  We got almost 2 inches so far today and its still pouring.  Everybody was talking about Agnes today on the radio.  My front yard looks like a swamp. 

You guys seem to be getting it much worse there though.  Take it easy, Ben. 


Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at March 10, 2011 04:50 PM (axfiA)

31 Well at least the War on Poverty will finally be over. Too bad that poverty will be declared the victor.

Posted by: GhostShip at March 10, 2011 04:51 PM (kWn29)

32
We crouch in the middle of the highway like a terrified rabbit hedgehog, watching the oncoming car in a deadly kind of paralysis

Posted by: Ron Jeremy, AKA Long Dong Silver at March 10, 2011 04:51 PM (ZHsNw)

33 Well, at least in SC we'll still have all the bacon we can eat, if we run out of Hobo. http://tinyurl.com/4bn9n24

Posted by: VitriolicCynic at March 10, 2011 04:51 PM (elJA3)

34 this post fits the mood of the weather around here, gray, bleak, and gloomy.

Gray bleak and gloomy here in Northern CA too. And not just because we're boned.

Posted by: sock puppeh at March 10, 2011 04:52 PM (VcPAo)

35 Saddest kitten ever. Drinking his woes away.

Posted by: lauraw at March 10, 2011 04:53 PM (DbybK)

36

Rental or primary residence?

Selling my primary, rent somewhere else.

Posted by: USS Diversity at March 10, 2011 04:53 PM (gJNMj)

37 And they're messing around with 61 billion in cuts, and calling a 1% cut an action that shows the world we are serious?  How is that serious, by any stretch of the imagination? Laughable. All the way to the 7th level of hell serious.

Posted by: Derak at March 10, 2011 04:54 PM (CjpKH)

38
Better than sex HERE...............well, almost.

Posted by: Fish the Impaler at March 10, 2011 04:55 PM (ZHsNw)

39 You know what would taste good right about now, tough guy?  That's right, a f*cking flaming, quivering, cobra-neck bloodsicle. 

With a kitteh as a side dish.

Posted by: Honey Badger at March 10, 2011 04:55 PM (/8mBu)

40 Let them eat wild Feral Pigs, theres plenty of them.

Posted by: Mooschelle Antwinett at March 10, 2011 04:55 PM (3OCZw)

41 10 Financial morons--Is there wisdom in selling my townhouse (on which I'm slightly upside down) and just renting for awhile? Not like I'm getting any equity. Posted by: USS Diversity at March 10, 2011 08:43 PM (gJNMj)

Dude, I have two words of advice-- sell, sell, sell. When the rates rise after the 2012 elections the market will tank again. And axe yourself this question-- where do local govs get the cheese for schools and public pensions? Hahahaha- property taxes.

Monty, tell me that I'm having a cocaine-induced hallucination, but I'm pretty sure my consciousness has just been expanded

Posted by: dr kill at March 10, 2011 04:55 PM (le5qc)

42 What is it with you and those flat-faced cats, Monty?

It's creepy.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at March 10, 2011 04:56 PM (bxiXv)

43 Sen. Coburn knows the only way out of teh doom© would be to oust the poseur-in-chief.  American Thinker's Jack Cashill has a nifty new book excerpt posted about his latest investigational forays into Toonces' murky past.

Posted by: RushBabe at March 10, 2011 04:57 PM (urYpw)

44 We crouch in the middle of the highway like a terrified rabbit hedgehog, watching the oncoming car in a deadly kind of paralysis

and I should care...why?

Posted by: honey badger at March 10, 2011 04:57 PM (VcPAo)

45 The problem is that WE know that the shit can hit the fan, but everyone in a position to do something about it is convinced that it will all work out in the end.

Posted by: VitriolicCynic at March 10, 2011 04:58 PM (elJA3)

46
A zombie apocalypse doesn't sound so bad after reading that post.

Posted by: YIKES! at March 10, 2011 04:58 PM (buXmi)

Posted by: Chuckit at March 10, 2011 04:59 PM (DKUSo)

48 Well at least the War on Poverty will finally be over. Too bad that poverty will be declared the victor.

Winning!

Posted by: Charlie Sheen at March 10, 2011 04:59 PM (McG46)

49 48 The problem is that WE know that the shit can hit the fan, but everyone in a position to do something about it is convinced that it will all work out in the end.
Posted by: VitriolicCynic at March 10, 2011 08:58 PM

I don't believe in the No Win Scenario

Posted by: Fed Chairman James T Kirk at March 10, 2011 05:00 PM (vdfwz)

50 What is it with you and those flat-faced cats, Monty?

Hey, don't blame me. Blame the Google for matching hatchet-faced cats with "cute". I prefer naked mole rats, gila monsters, and of course the fabled honey badger to these feline abominations.

But I did promise lauraw, and frankly, disobeying her frightens me.

Posted by: Monty at March 10, 2011 05:00 PM (FC+dS)

51 48 The problem is that WE know that the shit can hit the fan, but everyone in a position to do something about it is convinced that it will all work out in the end.

If we only clasp our hands, tap our heels together, and BELIEVE...

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at March 10, 2011 05:00 PM (axfiA)

52 haha, Genius in chief is calling a press conference tomm am to discuss energy prices situation...Im sure that will calm everybody down

THat'll be to condemn the massive bloodshed in Saudi Arabia overnight, right?

Posted by: Methos at March 10, 2011 05:00 PM (uqJo6)

53 “An impossible situation,”

Yet, what is really impossible is cutting spending.

Posted by: KG at March 10, 2011 05:01 PM (2k/Dg)

54 But I did promise lauraw, and frankly, disobeying her frightens me.

Posted by: Monty at March 10, 2011 09:00 PM (FC+dS)

Shes busy petting the hamster...hey she said it not me!

Posted by: Red Shirt at March 10, 2011 05:01 PM (FIDMq)

55 Does this mean we can slip death threats under Barney Frank's door?

Posted by: George Orwell at March 10, 2011 08:43 PM (lwUmg)


I prefer things to slipped to me in back door if you don't mind


Posted by: B. Frank at March 10, 2011 05:02 PM (buXmi)

56 O/T -- Gov. Walker's on with Calamity.  Walker looks stove up and give out.

Posted by: RushBabe at March 10, 2011 05:02 PM (urYpw)

57 Yet the MBM will still declare minorities, women and children as hardest hit.

I told my fit, white, Christian middle aged husband after they get done carving out all the victims (fat, colorful, female, poor, sick, disabled, foreign, glbitransgendered, smelly hippies)  eligible for waivers and pig feed, he'd be the only one left paying for any of it.   He's in the ineligible class.

  He's ready to give up his business and join the ranks of the impoverished. Sick of it. Just sick of it. Why work so hard to become a target?

Posted by: Derak at March 10, 2011 05:02 PM (CjpKH)

58 Flat faced,drunk kitty is cute.I will eat him last.

Posted by: steevy at March 10, 2011 05:02 PM (bzlmn)

59

Shes busy petting the hamster...

Posted by: Red Shirt at March 10, 2011 09:01 PM (FIDMq)

Nice euphemism.  Is she developing some sense of propriety or modesty?  I hope to hell not.

Posted by: Charlie Sheen at March 10, 2011 05:03 PM (McG46)

60 I know you want me.  You need me. You really do want me don't you ?  I will satisfy your needs.  And you will want me even more when gas is $7.99 a gallon.
Say you love me.

Posted by: High Speed Rail at March 10, 2011 05:03 PM (3OCZw)

61 Nothing to see here... move along you lookie-loos

Posted by: Democrats at March 10, 2011 05:04 PM (jGXQI)

62 The more frank DC guys will admit (in confidence) that can only monetize half of the debt - the rest will have to come from more taxes. Most dismiss the concern, and say we will monetize and roll it over - their basic strategy - a global version of "Too Big to Fail". The crazier ones, well you really don't want to know and I don't have a Kitten pic to salve the wound.

Posted by: Jean at March 10, 2011 05:04 PM (0rXxT)

63 56 “An impossible situation,”

Yet, what is really impossible is cutting spending.
  I'd say what is truly impossible is reforming entitlements. If you look at both sides of the aisle right now, there is more support for cutting spending than there is for entitlement reform.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at March 10, 2011 05:04 PM (UO6+e)

64 The problem is that WE know that the shit can hit the fan, but everyone in a position to do something about it is convinced that it will all work out in the end.

If we only clasp our hands, tap our heels together, and BELIEVE...

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at March 10, 2011 09:00 PM



I like to think there are always ... possibilities

Posted by: Spock at March 10, 2011 05:04 PM (vdfwz)

65

Selling my primary, rent somewhere else.

Posted by: USS Diversity

First, all advice on the internet is wrong.

Second, consult a professional. Try to find a fee-only RE specialist.

Third, it depends on your personal situation, of course, and where we're headed.

In an inflationary environment, RE should maintain or even increase its value. In a deflationary one, RE loses value. So one question, ignoring the more important personal financial situation, is whether or not we'll have inflation. Most doom-o-philes believe we're in for a round of inflation, and hyper-inflation for the more enthusiastic among them. However, there are rare of the contrarians are proposing an deflationary economy, ala Japan 1991+.

My initial guess is that if you can afford the costs, keep it. If you can't, see #2 above.

Posted by: goldbricker esq at March 10, 2011 05:04 PM (S59+B)

66 Lights in the water; Waves crashing higher and higher against the sea wall. DOOM

yeah yeah yeah.

I get it, we all know it's coming, the question is how much time, realistically, do we have left?

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at March 10, 2011 05:04 PM (0q2P7)

67 Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at March 10, 2011 09:04 PM (UO6+e)

Ah, I lumped entitlements into "spending", but point taken.

Posted by: KG at March 10, 2011 05:05 PM (2k/Dg)

68   He's ready to give up his business and join the ranks of the impoverished. Sick of it. Just sick of it. Why work so hard to become a target?

Posted by: Derak at March 10, 2011 09:02 PM (CjpKH)

By chance, is his name John Galt?

Posted by: sock puppeh at March 10, 2011 05:05 PM (VcPAo)

69 On the bright side, I think I'll enjoy growing corn, taking part in sectarian feuds between local Baptist and Methodist congregations, and running a still a lot more than my current job. Doom, Monty? No, that's Winning!!!!

Posted by: VitriolicCynic at March 10, 2011 05:06 PM (elJA3)

70

The last two years of deficits have taken the financial crisis from a some day to right now.  Why would anyone want to loan money to the US?  Cowboy poetry enthusiasts excepted of course. 

BOOT: Barack Obama One Term

Posted by: Beagle at March 10, 2011 05:06 PM (sOtz/)

71

We crouch defiantly stand on our hind legs in the middle of the highway like a PO'd honey badger terrified  rabbit hedgehog, watching taunting the oncoming pezzydential motorcade to do its worst car in a deadly kind of paralysis.

FIFM

Posted by: RushBabe at March 10, 2011 05:06 PM (urYpw)

72 Skeletons of Society. About nuclear war but it works for this too.

Posted by: steevy at March 10, 2011 05:07 PM (bzlmn)

73 And axe yourself this question-- where do local govs get the cheese for schools and public pensions? Hahahaha- property taxes.

Monty, tell me that I'm having a cocaine-induced hallucination, but I'm pretty sure my consciousness has just been expanded

Posted by: dr kill at March 10, 2011 08:55 PM (le5qc)

I for one think you are dead on. Doug Casey said last year do these things immediately:

Liquidate.Consolidate. Speculate. Create.  It won't get any easier to implement this strategy when everyone else finally wakes up.  It is one thing to know what needs to be done, but executing is painful. Life changing.  It is far easier to just watch the whole thing implode.

Sell the condo.

Posted by: Derak at March 10, 2011 05:08 PM (CjpKH)

74 I get it, we all know it's coming, the question is how much time, realistically, do we have left?

I get it; The wings are about to fall off the plane. So do I have time to get it on with the cute chick next to me, or do I need to take matters into my own hands to save time?

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at March 10, 2011 05:08 PM (0q2P7)

75

39 Well at least the War on Poverty will finally be over. Too bad that poverty will be declared the victor.

Yet the MBM will still declare minorities, women and children as hardest hit.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at March 10, 2011 08:53 PM (vbh31)


That's what they think. When everything hits the fan I'm going back to my Viking roots. The ones who'll be hardest hit will be my victims if they don't give me my Danegeld.


Posted by: GhostShip at March 10, 2011 05:08 PM (kWn29)

76 "The problem is that WE know that the shit can hit the fan, but everyone in a position to do something about it is convinced that it will all work out in the end. " I don't believe that for a second. Democrats know the end is near and they are spending like crazy before we have to declare bankruptcy since they know this is the only chance they will get for a very long time in this country. Republicans also know the end is near, but some are holding on for power as long as possible, making minor cuts to hopefully hold of the doom until they get as many perks and kickbacks as possible and a select few are actually trying to fix it.

Posted by: Just Another Poster at March 10, 2011 05:08 PM (HAdov)

77 Oh and one more point to #80, both have a vested interest in pretending to the people that nothing is wrong so they can continue to milk things as long as possible.

Posted by: Just Another Poster at March 10, 2011 05:09 PM (HAdov)

78 Matthew Arnold's "Dover Beach" ought to cheer you all right up:

The sea is calm to-night.
The tide is full, the moon lies fair
Upon the straits; on the French coast the light
Gleams and is gone; the cliffs of England stand;
Glimmering and vast, out in the tranquil bay.
Come to the window, sweet is the night-air!
Only, from the long line of spray
Where the sea meets the moon-blanched land,
Listen! you hear the grating roar
Of pebbles which the waves draw back, and fling,
At their return, up the high strand,
Begin, and cease, and then again begin,
With tremulous cadence slow, and bring
The eternal note of sadness in.

Sophocles long ago
Heard it on the A gaean, and it brought
Into his mind the turbid ebb and flow
Of human misery; we
Find also in the sound a thought,
Hearing it by this distant northern sea.

The Sea of Faith
Was once, too, at the full, and round earth's shore
Lay like the folds of a bright girdle furled.
But now I only hear
Its melancholy, long, withdrawing roar,
Retreating, to the breath
Of the night-wind, down the vast edges drear
And naked shingles of the world.


Ah, love, let us be true
To one another! for the world, which seems
To lie before us like a land of dreams,
So various, so beautiful, so new,
Hath really neither joy, nor love, nor light,
Nor certitude, nor peace, nor help for pain;
And we are here as on a darkling plain
Swept with confused alarms of struggle and flight,
Where ignorant armies clash by night.


Posted by: Monty at March 10, 2011 05:12 PM (FC+dS)

79 both have a vested interest in pretending to the people that nothing is wrong so they can continue to milk things as long as possible. Posted by: Just Another Poster

Few here will argue with that. Some may say you're being far too generous. But Choir + Preaching, some assembly not required.

Posted by: goldbricker esq at March 10, 2011 05:12 PM (S59+B)

80 BTW I can't wait for tomorrows Presidential press conference where BHO tells me "Yeah how about them gas prices? Kind of high huh? Well get used to them!"

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at March 10, 2011 05:12 PM (0q2P7)

81
My fort made out of couch cushions is done.
I'm ready for anything.

Posted by: YIKES! at March 10, 2011 05:12 PM (buXmi)

82

By chance, is his name John Galt?

Posted by: sock puppeh at March 10, 2011 09:05 PM (VcPAo)

No. That'd be grampa.

Posted by: Derak at March 10, 2011 05:13 PM (CjpKH)

83 That little kitteh is boned.  As are the rest of us.  First comes the hyper-inflation.  Then massive tax rate hikes.  Then the debt defaults.  Then (finally) the draconian austerity.

Posted by: Obi Wan Kenobi at March 10, 2011 05:13 PM (QxGmu)

84 I get it, we all know it's coming, the question is how much time, realistically, do we have left?
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at March 10, 2011 09:04 PM

Time is a luxury you don't have, admiral

Posted by: Khan Noonien Soros at March 10, 2011 05:14 PM (vdfwz)

Posted by: Iron Maiden at March 10, 2011 05:14 PM (6//4D)

86 Hey, don't blame me. Blame the Google for matching hatchet-faced cats with "cute". I prefer naked mole rats, gila monsters, and of course the fabled honey badger to these feline abominations.

Posted by: Monty at March 10, 2011 09:00 PM (FC+dS)

It's not that it's a cat, I love cats.

But cats have noses.

These poor distorted, inbred creatures, on the other hand... ick.

I don't know why people treat pets like Bonsai trees, it's sick.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at March 10, 2011 05:14 PM (bxiXv)

87 @89 And that's the best case scenario.

Posted by: VitriolicCynic at March 10, 2011 05:15 PM (elJA3)

88 Happy Hour at Ace's.  Drinks on me,  except for that Fool Monty guy. 

Posted by: wildwood at March 10, 2011 05:15 PM (VSWPU)

89 83 I weep for my country but I still have faith in God.He left us free will to fuck things up and we do a fine job of it.

Posted by: steevy at March 10, 2011 05:16 PM (bzlmn)

90
BTW
Regular gas cheapest find in central CA $3.89 gal.
Seeing more and more high $3.90's.

Posted by: YIKES! at March 10, 2011 05:16 PM (buXmi)

91

Geez, just when I start letting my hair down and celebrating what's going on in WI, Monty goes and pees on my parade.  That's two nights in a row, Monty!  I'm tired of being wet and smelling like urine!

Speaking of wet, it's been really rainy and windy here in the Seattle area--lots and lots of wind.

Posted by: runningrn at March 10, 2011 05:16 PM (ihSHD)

92 85 BTW I can't wait for tomorrows Presidential press conference where BHO tells me "Yeah how about them gas prices? Kind of high huh? Well get used to them!"
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at March 10, 2011 09:12 PM

Now we can bring gas prices down simply with this device. The tire pressure gauge.

Posted by: King Barry, Car Talk at March 10, 2011 05:17 PM (vdfwz)

93 Sometimes I feel like I'm living a movie written by three drunken chimps, Zombie Ted, and a former terrorist from the windy shitty.

And I still can't figure out who the fuck the "we" is "we've been waiting for", but somehow I don't think "we" likes us.

Oh and Timmeh thinks we should be lending more money?

Gaaaaaahhhh....

Posted by: ontherocks at March 10, 2011 05:17 PM (HBqDo)

94 In an inflationary environment, RE should maintain or even increase its value.

Posted by: goldbricker esq at March 10, 2011 09:04 PM (S59+B)

And rents will go up. I wouldn't sell.

Posted by: schizoid at March 10, 2011 05:17 PM (0aL8Q)

95 OK seriously. Ammo first, or store food. And do I need a shotgun or like an M-4 or AR.

Posted by: USS Diversity at March 10, 2011 05:17 PM (gJNMj)

96 This seems appropriate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVV_Es6s5wM

Posted by: GhostShip at March 10, 2011 05:17 PM (kWn29)

97 Actual Cats.

Sorry, pet peeve of mine.

I mean, I figure, what else will we have around that's *nice* after Barky's minions get done destroying the economy?

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at March 10, 2011 05:18 PM (bxiXv)

98

And rents will go up. I wouldn't sell.

Posted by: schizoid at March 10, 2011 09:17 PM (0aL8Q)

WHAT! Its already too damn high! Unacceptable!

Posted by: Jimmy McMillan at March 10, 2011 05:18 PM (FIDMq)

99

BTW
Regular gas cheapest find in central CA $3.89 gal.
Seeing more and more high $3.90's.

 

Hubby bought me gas last night, and it was 3.77/gallon.  Gas has gone up 67% since the Bamster has been in office.  Funny how no one can seem to bother reporting that little factoid.  I saw it on Drudge.


Posted by: runningrn at March 10, 2011 05:18 PM (ihSHD)

100 101 OK seriously. Ammo first, or store food. And do I need a shotgun or like an M-4 or AR.

Ammo can get you food in a pinch.  And why discriminate against guns, the more you can get, the better! 

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at March 10, 2011 05:18 PM (axfiA)

101 OK seriously. Ammo first, or store food. And do I need a shotgun or like an M-4 or AR.

Yes.

Posted by: garrett at March 10, 2011 05:19 PM (6//4D)

102 82 Oh and one more point to #80, both have a vested interest in pretending to the people that nothing is wrong so they can continue to milk things as long as possible.

Posted by: Just Another Poster at March 10, 2011 09:09 PM (HAdov)

Oh yeah. You are watching weapons grade looting right before your very eyes.  You should read the transcript from C-span, congress was interviewing several econ ph.d's, Stiglitz among them, calling TARP what it is/was. Looting of the highest order. Right under our noses. Chilling testimony.

Posted by: Derak at March 10, 2011 05:20 PM (CjpKH)

103 BTW
Regular gas cheapest find in central CA $3.89 gal.
Seeing more and more high $3.90's.

Posted by: YIKES! at March 10, 2011 09:16 PM (buXmi)

Inflate your tires, stupid.  Which is what I'm going to say in my presser tomorrow.  Oh, and that I don't have a problem with how high gas prices are, just how fast they've risen.

Because I've got your back like that.


Posted by: Barry O. Bama at March 10, 2011 05:20 PM (McG46)

104 If I can give you warp speed, will that help?

Posted by: Mr. Scott at March 10, 2011 05:20 PM (OzlVV)

105 Monty said it last night - there's no will power anywhere to correct this problem. At sea, we call it capsizing.

Posted by: Old Sailor at March 10, 2011 05:20 PM (/Ft4q)

106 101 OK seriously. Ammo first, or store food. And do I need a shotgun or like an M-4 or AR.

Posted by: USS Diversity at March 10, 2011 09:17 PM (gJNMj)

First food. Because I have ammo, and when I go foraging, I want to find food and not more ammo.

Secondly, a shotgun should be *first* because it's cheap. If you can afford it later, get an M4 clone because it's better at any distance or with many attackers.

Actually, training first, shotgun second.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at March 10, 2011 05:20 PM (bxiXv)

107 @101 Go with a Shotgun for close quarters combat. I'd recommend something like a Remington 700 for long range needs.

Posted by: VitriolicCynic at March 10, 2011 05:20 PM (elJA3)

108 They will never pull the plug while they hold the White House - Period.
  It's like musical chairs, Whichever party is in control when the severe cuts are made will be the boogie man and ruin their election cycle.
  And since Bambi got his chance to play at the White House it just wouldn't be fair to take away all the toys before he got his chance to play. Booosh had his time.

Posted by: melvin at March 10, 2011 05:21 PM (3OCZw)

109 OK seriously. Ammo first, or store food. And do I need a shotgun or like an M-4 or AR.

Ammo can get you food in a pinch.  And why discriminate against guns, the more you can get, the better! 

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at March 10, 2011 09:18 PM (axfiA)

What you normal humans need is some Tiger Blood and Adonis DNA.  Winning!

Posted by: Charlie Sheen at March 10, 2011 05:21 PM (McG46)

110 I'm guess the M&Ms will love this!

Posted by: elspeth at March 10, 2011 05:21 PM (9NbcB)

111

Hubby bought me gas last night,

That was a nice presant.

Posted by: robtr at March 10, 2011 05:21 PM (MtwBb)

112 Posted by: runningrn at March 10, 2011 09:18 PM (ihSHD)

At the rate it's going up I'm guessing $4.00 plus sometime next week.

Posted by: YIKES! at March 10, 2011 05:21 PM (buXmi)

113 OK seriously. Ammo first, or store food. And do I need a shotgun or like an M-4 or AR. Posted by: USS Diversity

First rule of Apocalypse Club is never tell your neighbors what you have stored.

Posted by: goldbricker esq at March 10, 2011 05:21 PM (S59+B)

114 I don't want to hear anything from the Pres or the Congress except on debt reduction.And protecting the borders. Nothing else.

Posted by: some dope at March 10, 2011 05:22 PM (BZEkR)

115 And do I need a shotgun or like an M-4 or AR.

Urban environment: get a shottie. Suburban: shottie and a pistol. Rifles are pointless for self-defense about 99.9% of the time. With a shotgun you don't have to aim, either. A .12 gauge with double-aught buck will take care of just about any situation I can think of -- burglars, zombies, Shoggoths, etc. -- with alacrity. Pistols are for when you run out of shells for your shotgun.

Posted by: Monty at March 10, 2011 05:23 PM (FC+dS)

116

 Sometimes I feel like I'm living a movie written by three drunken chimps, Zombie Ted, and a former terrorist from the windy shitty.

 

Speaking of Chi-town, that Governor of Illinois hasn't wasted any time raising taxes.  From Forbes:

After two-months of fence-sitting, Illinois Governor Pat Quinn today signed controversial legislation requiring Internet retailers like Amazon.com and Overstock.com to collect IllinoisÂ’ 6.25% sales tax if they have affiliate sellers in the state. House Bill 3659, the Mainstreet Fairness Bill, was passed by the stateÂ’s lame duck legislature in early January. Since then, the bill has been the subject of fierce lobbying by traditional bricks and mortar retailers, who supported it, and Illinois-based Internet-only businesses, who warned that if Quinn didnÂ’t veto it some of them would flee the state. Had Quinn done nothing, the bill would have become law tomorrow without his signature.

Amazon has already said it will terminate its Illinois affiliates, just as it has said it will drop 10,000 California based “associates” if similar legislation pending in that state becomes law. Affiliates are paid a fee by Amazon and other retailers for sales brought in through advertisements and links on the affiliates’ web sites.

With all the tax increases going on in Illinois, those people are boned squared. 

Posted by: runningrn at March 10, 2011 05:23 PM (ihSHD)

117 I don't want to hear anything from the Pres or the Congress except on debt reduction.And protecting the borders. Nothing else.

Posted by: some dope at March 10, 2011 09:22 PM (BZEkR)

I'd like to hear about drilling permits in the Gulf.  I do not know how the Democrats have gotten away with arguing that NOT drilling our own oil is somehow more responsible.  Up = down.

Posted by: Charlie Sheen at March 10, 2011 05:23 PM (McG46)

118 Wait a minute... That's it.... Don't worry guys. The deficit problems solved, I've paid down the debt, and all our entitlement are solvent. Why didn't I think of it before.... must be the drugs.... If only I thought to apply my MIND to this before. Still Winning!

Posted by: Charlie Sheen at March 10, 2011 05:23 PM (elJA3)

119 Monty,

If you are going to scare the shit out of us every night, fuck the kitten (sorry lauraw), I want, no, I, er, we have earned....BACON!

And a hunky picture of one of heroes in uniform without say, the uniform.  Just the guns holding the gun, in full salute!

Posted by: momma at March 10, 2011 05:24 PM (penCf)

120 Oh, and gas here in Minnesota is running at about $3.60. I'm wondering how much it's going up in the morning. I wouldn't be surprised to see it shoot to $4.00 a gallon if shit goes bad in Saudi Arabia.

Posted by: Monty at March 10, 2011 05:25 PM (FC+dS)

121 122 Blind Patterson taxed Amazon in NY,pretty much first thing he did.Surprised it too Illinois so long.

Posted by: steevy at March 10, 2011 05:26 PM (bzlmn)

122 126 With a shotgun you don't have to aim, either.

I would say range makes a big difference there...also I know illegal as hell, but shortened barrel?

Posted by: Jimmy McMillan at March 10, 2011 05:26 PM (FIDMq)

123  I was thinking more along the lines of being as armed as any street thug or gang thereof.

Posted by: USS Diversity at March 10, 2011 05:26 PM (gJNMj)

124  I'm guess the M&Ms will love this!

Posted by: elspeth at March 10, 2011 09:21 PM (9Nbc

Interesting but I'm a CAT man

Posted by: robtr at March 10, 2011 05:26 PM (MtwBb)

125 We crouch in the middle of the highway like a terrified rabbit, watching the oncoming car in a deadly kind of paralysis: we know it's going to kill us if we don't move...but sill we don't move.

That implies we could just snap out of it and hop out of the way with no injury to anybody. We're more like the hiker who foolishly tried to jump the gap between two boulders, slipped and got his leg caught. Now it's either cut the leg off with a pocket knife or wait for a miraculous ranger and hope the gangrene doesn't get us first.

Posted by: Heorot at March 10, 2011 05:26 PM (ChUFC)

126 Posted by: Charlie Sheen at March 10, 2011 09:23 PM (elJA3)

I don't know who you are, but if you keep impersonating me, I'll beat you like a droopy-eyed armless child.

Posted by: Charlie Sheen at March 10, 2011 05:26 PM (McG46)

127 sorry Jimmah but your sock is too damn old

Posted by: Red Shirt at March 10, 2011 05:26 PM (FIDMq)

128 Hey any Joy Division cheerleaders, want to play spin the bottle socialism style?

Posted by: humphreyrobot at March 10, 2011 05:27 PM (EiH7n)

129 <i>Uh, that's not entirely true.</i>

Well, I'll grant you: if you're going after zombies, it takes some practice to get the headshot right. But with your garden variety burglar, just get it in the neighborhood; with double-aught buck, close is close enough.

Posted by: Monty at March 10, 2011 05:27 PM (FC+dS)

130 also I know illegal as hell, but shortened barrel? Posted by: Jimmy McMillan

Theoretically if the fit hits the shan, and no one is answering 911, the temptation is obvious.

Posted by: goldbricker esq at March 10, 2011 05:27 PM (S59+B)

131 Nouriel "Monty" Roubini is sounding the warning;

Economist warns of double dip recession if oil hits $140


Posted by: kbdabear at March 10, 2011 05:28 PM (vdfwz)

132 BTW

Bill O'makemepuke was defending Odogma for his 'anti-bullying' message today.  WTF?! 

The man golfs while innocents are gunned down by their own gov't, and now he talks to kids about stopping bullying when Repub leaders in Ohio and WI are receiving death threats.

How I would love to see Herman Cain or Alan West just go toe to toe with Obama-whipped Billy O!

Posted by: momma at March 10, 2011 05:28 PM (penCf)

133


Posted by: Barry O. Bama at March 10, 2011 09:20 PM (McG46)



Is there a relationship between rising gas price and how big FLOTUS ass gets?

Posted by: YIKES! at March 10, 2011 05:28 PM (buXmi)

134 Let them drive mopeds.

Posted by: Moochelle the First at March 10, 2011 05:28 PM (3OCZw)

135

Inflate your tires, stupid.  Which is what I'm going to say in my presser tomorrow.  Oh, and that I don't have a problem with how high gas prices are, just how fast they've risen.

Because I've got your back like that.

 

Yeah, remember this is the asshat that said "We can't drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times. That's not leadership" while campaigning in OR.

Posted by: runningrn at March 10, 2011 05:28 PM (ihSHD)

136 Stolen from the comments in an article about WI at sheboyganpress.com:

1. Democrats engage in illegal activity.
2. Violence erupts.
3. People are injured.
4. Democrats blame Republicans.
5. Media reports that Republican actions lead to the violence.
6. Republicans defend themselves.
7. Media reports Republicans are now "attacking" Democrats.
8. Media demands republicans “tone it down”.
9. The President calls for calm, then goes golfing.
10. Chris Matthews calls Chris Christy fat.
11. Michael Moore declares war.
12. Loop to item 1.

Posted by: sock puppeh at March 10, 2011 05:28 PM (VcPAo)

137 Hannity asked teh Palin what she thought about Jullianne Moore playing her in the upcoming HBO movie.  She said, "Well, I'm all about the job creation."

Posted by: RushBabe at March 10, 2011 05:29 PM (urYpw)

138 Because a steady diet of doom is unhealthy, here's a tasty little slice of gloom;

http://tinyurl.com/4rz6ve8

taxes, extortion - what's the difference?

Posted by: Fritz at March 10, 2011 05:29 PM (/8mBu)

139 I never listened to Kid Rock before but I turned on Piers Morgan on CNN tonight because I read an article about Rock the other day. It was about why he still has the confederate flag at his concerts. It is 29 minutes in and I think he is a pretty good guy and has aged well but I don't know all there is to know. He has not discussed the flag yet.

Posted by: gesc at March 10, 2011 05:30 PM (qxPdZ)

140 With a shotgun you don't have to aim, either.

Posted by: Monty at March 10, 2011 09:23 PM (FC+dS)

Okay, Monty, *now* you're pissing me off.

You don't aim, you miss, and either take out your kid or dog or just get beaten to death with your own leg.

You may know about economics, but go shoot something before you tell people about guns, mm'kay?

And also, don't listen to people at gun stores, they're full of shit.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at March 10, 2011 05:30 PM (bxiXv)

141 re: monty @ 83 the first line I saw when skimming was "come to my window". I don't want to know what kind of boned we are if you start quoting melissa etheridge.

Posted by: A.G. at March 10, 2011 05:30 PM (oAVyq)

142 You may know about economics, but go shoot something before you tell people about guns, mm'kay?

Been shooting my shottie for twenty years, homie. Ain't taken a limb off yet. You point; you shoot. It's not long division.


Posted by: Monty at March 10, 2011 05:31 PM (FC+dS)

143

You don't aim, you miss, and either take out your kid or dog or just get beaten to death with your own leg.

Which kid? The little sweet one or one of the teenagers?

Posted by: dagny at March 10, 2011 05:33 PM (tfAdj)

144 also I know illegal as hell, but shortened barrel?

Posted by: Jimmy McMillan at March 10, 2011 09:26 PM (FIDMq)

Why?

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at March 10, 2011 05:33 PM (bxiXv)

145 wiggah in da hauze

Posted by: wildwood at March 10, 2011 05:33 PM (VSWPU)

146

 I never listened to Kid Rock before but I turned on Piers Morgan on CNN tonight because I read an article about Rock the other day. It was about why he still has the confederate flag at his concerts. It is 29 minutes in and I think he is a pretty good guy and has aged well but I don't know all there is to know. He has not discussed the flag yet.

Kid Rock has some issues with flag etiquette.  I will never forget the Superbowl Halftime show he did, wearing the  American flag like a poncho.  I just don't think he has any sense of decorum.  I think he's an ok guy, other than he dated that total skankwa, Pamela Anderson.  He does a lot of concerts for the troops, goes with USO overseas, etc., etc.

Posted by: runningrn at March 10, 2011 05:36 PM (ihSHD)

147 Been shooting my shottie for twenty years, homie. Ain't taken a limb off yet. You point; you shoot. It's not long division.

Posted by: Monty at March 10, 2011 09:31 PM (FC+dS)

"Point shooting" for an experienced shooter is AIMING.

Telling a newbie not to aim is fucking irresponsible.

I ain't trying to be personal, it's just another piece in a long string of dangerous advice given every damned day.


Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at March 10, 2011 05:36 PM (bxiXv)

148 It's not long division. This metro sexual thugs are just so smart that they do not even have to obey laws of physics. You are the little humble reader and they are the super hero comic book that cost 35 cents cause it's in color.

Posted by: humphreyrobot at March 10, 2011 05:37 PM (EiH7n)

149 BTW II:

I went to several different towns today and at just about every stop, people weren't talking about unions, or bills.  They were talking about race and the Dem. party and racism (as in blacks hate whites, while whites defend blacks).   Twice, I heard this conversation at gas stations and both times the white (station #1) and the Indian (#2) clerk was talking to a customer about how the level of hate being spewed at them from African American customers has seriously increased, IN THE LAST FEW WEEKS.

I kept changing the radio station in between stops thinking that I missed a huge news story.

The only thing I can figure is that the news played clips of Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton in WI.  Were they there?


Posted by: momma at March 10, 2011 05:37 PM (penCf)

150 Amazon has already said it will terminate its Illinois affiliates, just as it has said it will drop 10,000 California based “associates” if similar legislation pending in that state becomes law. Affiliates are paid a fee by Amazon and other retailers for sales brought in through advertisements and links on the affiliates’ web sites.

How am I supposed to pay for scrunchies and Cheetos? This is Bad Crazy Stuff man, I hope the 10 subcribers understand when I raise memberships to $10,000

Posted by: Cahrsel Jhonsno at March 10, 2011 05:37 PM (vdfwz)

151

Read that WaPo article on Obama's impotence over there ----->.

He skipped a Wednesday meeting on Libya.  Like I used to skip Poli Sci from my GDR-loving professor in the short shorts with his ball sack hanging out?  The POTUS skipping a meeting on an ongoing war, something I've never heard before of any president.   

Posted by: Beagle at March 10, 2011 05:38 PM (sOtz/)

152

Posted by: momma at March 10, 2011 09:37 PM (penCf)

Jesse was

Posted by: Red Shirt at March 10, 2011 05:38 PM (FIDMq)

153 154 - I have no problem with him flying the confederate flag at concerts. I don't have a problem with anyone flying the confederate flag I just wanted to hear what he said about it - I didn't know about the Super Bowl incident. Actually, he is sounding pretty patriotic on this show.

Posted by: gesc at March 10, 2011 05:38 PM (qxPdZ)

154 so whats the concensus on shot size for 12 gauge?

Posted by: Red Shirt at March 10, 2011 05:39 PM (FIDMq)

155 I know we've all kind of forgotten about Europe with everything else that's been going on, but Greece, Ireland, and Portugal are still on the verge of default. Greece and Ireland are pretty much a foregone conclusion at this point. If Spain goes, there isn't enough money in the entire EU to bail them out.


Posted by: Monty at March 10, 2011 05:40 PM (FC+dS)

156 You shorten a shotgun barrel for concealment/handiness in tight quarters.It will increase the pellet spread and of course decrease accuracy somewhat.Riot/combat types already have shorter barrels than sporting guns.

Posted by: steevy at March 10, 2011 05:40 PM (bzlmn)

157 Nation's debt rockets upward Dude, what comes after Trillion? Balance my checkbook? Sucka! Jesse Jackson's Amendments Will turn mine evergreen!

Posted by: Haiku - Doom Edition at March 10, 2011 05:40 PM (YZISw)

158

it's just another piece in a long string of dangerous advice given every damned day.

OK so I'm selling my house.

Posted by: USS Diversity at March 10, 2011 05:41 PM (gJNMj)

159 also I know illegal as hell, but shortened barrel? Posted by: Jimmy McMillan at March 10, 2011 09:26 PM (FIDMq)

The home defense shotguns have short barrels.

I would add that if there's a lady of the house and she's game (sister in arms not target) add a 20 gauge to the mix, it's better to the meat and way easier for her to shoot.

A 12 & 20 that is. And aiming saves ammo and possibly some home remodeling.

Posted by: ontherocks at March 10, 2011 05:42 PM (HBqDo)

160 163 I like the new mixed loads.The PDX with flattened discs plus a few bb size shot.Also they now make slug,buckshot mixes.OO or OOO buckshot is never a bad choice either.

Posted by: steevy at March 10, 2011 05:42 PM (bzlmn)

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at March 10, 2011 05:43 PM (UO6+e)

162 momma- I haven't noticed any change.. yet.  But that's interesting that two separate places you went they were talking about it.  Obama,  yeah.. he really brought the country together didn't he?

Posted by: jewells45 at March 10, 2011 05:43 PM (Z71Vg)

163 If Spain goes, there isn't enough money in the entire EU to bail them out. Posted by: Monty

Hey, we like tapas too!

Posted by: PRC, Inc. at March 10, 2011 05:44 PM (S59+B)

164 170 - This whole debacle is like leprosy. Pieces parts are falling off of the afflicted in chunks. Did you ever see that movie with Heston the "Hawaiians" where they send the Chinese guy who has leprosy to the island. I saw that when I was a kid and it scared the hell out of me about leprosy.

Posted by: gesc at March 10, 2011 05:44 PM (qxPdZ)

165 so whats the concensus on shot size for 12 gauge?

Posted by: Red Shirt at March 10, 2011 09:39 PM (FIDMq

I use 8 for quail and dove, 6 for ducks and 4 incase someone pays me an uninvited visit.

Posted by: robtr at March 10, 2011 05:44 PM (MtwBb)

166 If you guys had watched those Mad Max movies back in the 80's, we'd wouldn't be in this fecal matter hole.

Posted by: humphreyrobot at March 10, 2011 05:45 PM (EiH7n)

167 Ha! Cob-logger war!

It's on, muthfuckaz! Fighting for position!

Posted by: PRC, Inc. at March 10, 2011 05:45 PM (S59+B)

168 Nation's debt rockets upward
Dude, what comes after
Trillion?

Posted by: Haiku - Doom Edition at March 10, 2011 09:40 PM (YZISw)

After a teradollar is a petadollar.  It's just a cute little petadollar.

Posted by: MiniTruth at March 10, 2011 05:45 PM (McG46)

169 This whole debacle is like leprosy. Pieces parts are falling off of the afflicted in chunks.

That's why this whole farce is like the Black Knight skit from Monty Python and the Holy Grail. "It's just a flesh wound!"

Posted by: Monty at March 10, 2011 05:46 PM (FC+dS)

170

the internets is teh awesome, you can pretty much find anything out.  Handy info

Rather, for a defense or "riot" shotgun with an 18- to 20-inch open choked "improved cylinder" barrel, the pellets will spread out about one inch for every yard of range traveled.  Across a large room of 18 feet or so, the spread will only be about 6 inches, a circle as big as a coffee cup saucer.  At 50 feet, the spread will only be about 16 inches, the size of a large pizza.

Posted by: Red Shirt at March 10, 2011 05:46 PM (FIDMq)

171 107 OK seriously. Ammo first, or store food. And do I need a shotgun or like an M-4 or AR. There is no such thing as a wrong weapon in a survival scenario. Only good and better. Choose one, become intimately familiar with it's operation and functioning parts and then, shoot the shit out of it. If a beginner, there are few weapons easier to maintain than the AR-15 series. CAR-15 (modified), being my personal fave. Parts are easy to come across and ammo availability is very high.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC at March 10, 2011 05:47 PM (N7o7c)

172 I'll haz the Benelli Twin Pack please. Benelli MR1 and the M4 Tactical.
 Oh and a Glock 39 for desert.

Posted by: melvin at March 10, 2011 05:47 PM (3OCZw)

173 Authorities said a woman entered the Amherst County Courthouse on Thursday morning with a tiny monkey tucked into her bra, dressed in diapers and a pink and white dress.

I always thought the monkey was on your back not front.

Posted by: wildwood at March 10, 2011 05:48 PM (VSWPU)

174 Greece and Ireland are pretty much a foregone conclusion at this point. If Spain goes, there isn't enough money in the entire EU to bail them out.

Posted by: Monty at March 10, 2011 09:40 PM

No problem, I'll print enough dollars in QE3 to buy Eurobonds too!

Posted by: Helicopter Ben at March 10, 2011 05:48 PM (vdfwz)

175 Ugh.  As if Montydooma's Revenge weren't enough.  Senate GOP Trying to Recruit MSNBCÂ’s Token RINO Joe Scarborough to Run Against Ben Bill Nelson in FloridaÂ…The ever-popular John Cornyn up to shenannigans again.

Posted by: RushBabe at March 10, 2011 05:49 PM (urYpw)

176 The national debt crisis is wrong, but Tom Coburn is just plain wrong on this. He should defer to Paul Ryan or someone else.

The interest that the US pays on Treasurys and securities is not tied to the current rate of interest. It is tied to the interest rates that the US Treasury borrowed the money at. If the US borrowed a certain $5,000 at 3.5%, that is the interest rate on that $5,000. If another $5,000 was lent at 4.503%, that is the interest rate on that $5,000. The securities are sold at auction, and so the actual interest rates vary.

If interest rates were to rise, it would become more expensive for the US to borrow new money.

If core inflation rises, then the US will be liable for greater payments to TIPS holders, but overall that is a small percentage of the national debt.

Posted by: Onlooker at March 10, 2011 05:49 PM (oB4zo)

177 179 They're getting fearful and screechy, and starting to blindly lash out. Sort of like a wounded, cornered animal.

It's still up on his pg, too; I checked.

Plus: VIDEO: Democrat staff engineered mobÂ’s unlawful invasion of Wisconsin Capitol Building

(Read the whole thing. The title should probably be "helped engineer", but still...)

 

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at March 10, 2011 05:50 PM (UO6+e)

178 so whats the concensus on shot size for 12 gauge?

Posted by: Red Shirt at March 10, 2011 09:39 PM (FIDMq)

I've (quickly) read everything from bird shot to big slugs.  It's an interesting Google: "best shot shells for home defense."   

Posted by: Beagle at March 10, 2011 05:50 PM (sOtz/)

179 186 - Joe ain't going nowhere unless he can take that b*tch Mika with him. /just cannot stomach that woman but have not watched the show since the prez election

Posted by: gesc at March 10, 2011 05:50 PM (qxPdZ)

180 186 - Joe ain't going nowhere unless he can take that b*tch Mika with him.

Heh.  Sounds like a freakish version of Siamese twins.

Posted by: RushBabe at March 10, 2011 05:52 PM (urYpw)

181 If interest rates were to rise, it would become more expensive for the US to borrow new money.

I think the issue is that a lot of treasuries are sold to cover the ones that are being turned in, which at this point is happening continuously. The rollovers are immediately at the new rate.

Posted by: Methos at March 10, 2011 05:53 PM (uqJo6)

182 If interest rates were to rise, it would become more expensive for the US to borrow new money.

The US rolls about half its debt every six months or so, and holds auctions pretty frequently. Higher interest rates hurt right away, in other words, not somewhere down the line. A lot of our debt is in short-term bills and notes, not long bonds.

Posted by: Monty at March 10, 2011 05:54 PM (FC+dS)

183 "Wisconsin Dem Calls Republicans 'Chickenshits' For Not Wanting Leftist Mob to Rip Them to Shreds"

I got some grief on Twitter this morning for suggesting the WI Assembly take up concealed carry, since the WI Assembly could use it for getting to work safely.

Apparently Republicans are just supposed to lay back and be beaten to death while the cops stand around smirking.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 10, 2011 05:54 PM (nAOMZ)

184

I've (quickly) read everything from bird shot to big slugs.  It's an interesting Google: "best shot shells for home defense."   

Posted by: Beagle at March 10, 2011 09:50 PM (sOtz/)

I found a site that talks about real world 1 shot stopping success, depending on gauge, looks like 00 buck for the 12, and #2 or #3 for a 20...for home defense rounds

Posted by: Red Shirt at March 10, 2011 05:54 PM (FIDMq)

185

Red Shirt,

This one?  I was just looking at that.  96% one-shot stop for Federal Tactical 00 buck. 

Posted by: Beagle at March 10, 2011 05:56 PM (sOtz/)

186 Do you know why the siamese twins went to England? So the other one could drive.

Posted by: humphreyrobot at March 10, 2011 05:56 PM (EiH7n)

187 The US rolls about half its debt every six months or so, and holds auctions pretty frequently. Higher interest rates hurt right away, in other words, not somewhere down the line. A lot of our debt is in short-term bills and notes, not long bonds.

Posted by: Monty at March 10, 2011 09:54 PM

Tyler Durden at ZH has been talking about this lately, that the big buyers are flipping them over to the Fed, knowing they won't take a haircut with Ben's Paper Mill covering them

Posted by: Helicopter Ben at March 10, 2011 05:58 PM (vdfwz)

188 Apparently Republicans are just supposed to lay back and be beaten to death while the cops stand around smirking.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 10, 2011 09:54 PM (nAOMZ)

Democrats are thugs and fascists. What do you expect?

Right now they're still in provocation mode, that's all the "chicken shit" thing is, trying to start a fight without throwing the first punch.

It is, ironically, a chickenshit maneuver.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at March 10, 2011 05:58 PM (bxiXv)

189

This one?  I was just looking at that.  96% one-shot stop for Federal Tactical 00 buck. 

Posted by: Beagle at March 10, 2011 09:56 PM (sOtz/)

Yep thats it...I think my dad has a 16 gauge...expensive as hell shells.

Posted by: Red Shirt at March 10, 2011 05:59 PM (FIDMq)

190 So this is what it is like to wack off while watching Justified with only one eye.

Posted by: humphreyrobot at March 10, 2011 05:59 PM (EiH7n)

191  Joe ain't going nowhere unless he can take that b*tch Mika with him.

/just cannot stomach that woman but have not watched the show since the prez election

Posted by: gesc at March 10, 2011 09:50 PM (qxPdZ)

I'd rather watch Mika she doesn't really fib about her leftism ideology , however Joe says He is conservative but from what i've seen of him lately it's just not so.

Posted by: willow at March 10, 2011 06:02 PM (h+qn8)

192

195 I got some grief on Twitter this morning for suggesting the WI Assembly take up concealed carry, since the WI Assembly could use it for getting to work safely.

Apparently Republicans are just supposed to lay back and be beaten to death while the cops stand around smirking

 

During the assembly session today, one member was complaining that the Republicans had escorts and she didn't. Not only that, but Hulsey had to through in a dig about saving Grothmann. So the mood among the Dems regarding the Rs' safety appears to be jealousy and amusement. How do ordinary people feel about this?

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at March 10, 2011 06:02 PM (UO6+e)

193 56 “An impossible situation,”Yet, what is really impossible is cutting spending.
Posted by: KG   When you can't cut gubmint funding for cowboy poetry, it's probably time to admit you're screwed.

Posted by: kansas at March 10, 2011 06:02 PM (srmf8)

194 Monty, you know when the screaming and lamentations start the children and i are  hiding in your wood shed.

Posted by: willow at March 10, 2011 06:03 PM (h+qn8)

195 Monty, you know when the screaming and lamentations start the children and i are  hiding in your wood shed.

My home and outbuildings are always available to shelter my Moron bretheren.

I will be a stern Humongous but a fair Humongous.

Posted by: Monty at March 10, 2011 06:06 PM (FC+dS)

196 so from the dem leaders and ubions reps and members would it be appropriate to say the are bolcheviks?

Posted by: willow at March 10, 2011 06:06 PM (h+qn8)

197 Monty, Its even worse than just what you posted. With the exception of the dotcom buildup in the late 90s, every time interest rates have gone up we have gone into a recession almost immediately (the 90s was delayed until a second interest rate hike). IOW, we will be paying massively higher interest payments with significantly less revenue. In two years time we could literally be running $2.5 trillion dollar deficits. Obama has foolishly been rolling over debt to short term low interest bonds which makes it that much easier for interest payments to balloon.

Posted by: Dr. Heinz Doofensmirtz at March 10, 2011 06:08 PM (Ab3qP)

198 Monty , whew, srsly i've been really feeling un-nerved by it all lately.

Posted by: willow at March 10, 2011 06:09 PM (h+qn8)

199 Someone needs to start photoshopping Monty into famous great moments in history.

Like, I want him shouting "Someone is going to clean up all this crumbled concrete" during the falling of the Berlin Wall.  Or, I want him screaming "Do you have any idea how much it will cost in petroleum to get this ship home?" on the deck of the Missouri in 1945.

Who's in?

Posted by: Johnny at March 10, 2011 06:09 PM (mhmc7)

200 Not only that, but Hulsey had to through in a dig about saving Grothmann. So the mood among the Dems regarding the Rs' safety appears to be jealousy and amusement. How do ordinary people feel about this?

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at March 10, 2011 10:02 PM (UO6+e)

was Husley ashamed that He had to save Grothman or ?

 I was hoping there were decent Old time Dems left as I grew up with . That somehow we could get back one day to normal frienships and trust.

Posted by: willow at March 10, 2011 06:13 PM (h+qn8)

201

 I was hoping there were decent Old time Dems left as I grew up with . That somehow we could get back one day to normal frienships and trust.

Posted by: willow at March 10, 2011 10:13 PM (h+qn

Not likely, the squish dems dont stand a chance, its full loony all the time now.

Posted by: Red Shirt at March 10, 2011 06:16 PM (FIDMq)

202 In two years time we could literally be running $2.5 trillion dollar deficits.

At this point I'd actually be happy if deficit spending was all we had to worry about. We are very close to losing the USD as the world's reserve currency -- closer than people think. Foreigners are starting to think twice (or three times, even) before blindly buying American debt. And the Chinese, Russians, Europeans, and Arabs are beginning to wonder if it's wise to denominate all international trade in USD, given the reckless and profligate nature of the people who control the currency.

Countries like Venezuela and Greece can default without too much grief outside their own borders because no one really cares, from an economic standoint: their economies just aren't big enough to make an impact. But the US is the hub, the very center, of the world's economic engine. If we kill the USD, there's nothing else out there right now that can replace it: not the Euro, not the Yuan/Renminbi, not the Ruble. Nothing.

We've gotten used to this vast interlocked machine of international trade to such an extent that we forget how bound up it all is in the idea of a stable and universal world currency. If we lose that.....

Posted by: Monty at March 10, 2011 06:17 PM (FC+dS)

203 I say we g down in a blaze of glory! Who's with me? http://tinyurl.com/coo88g

Posted by: sonnyspats at March 10, 2011 06:19 PM (oNphh)

204 Red Shirt , it has been so odd since the presidential elections  began. Friends that I've had before for yeaaaars, if the economy came up would start shreiking about Booosh, If jobs came up same, when i mentioned Obama at any point in a less then worshipful way, it would be omg you watch Faux news. it's really been bizzare, like He really is their G-d

Posted by: willow at March 10, 2011 06:20 PM (h+qn8)

205 That's true, but at least we'll have a high speed rail line on the drawing board.

Posted by: Dr. Heinz Doofensmirtz at March 10, 2011 06:20 PM (Ab3qP)

206 We've gotten used to this vast interlocked machine of international trade to such an extent that we forget how bound up it all is in the idea of a stable and universal world currency. If we lose that.....

Posted by: Monty at March 10, 2011 10:17 PM (FC+dS)

You would think somebody from somewhere in the world might wanna say...'Hey, you kind of need to take it easy on the printing press there...kind of overdoing it and you just might have a problem.'

Posted by: Red Shirt at March 10, 2011 06:21 PM (FIDMq)

207 Do you know why the siamese twins went to England?
So the other one could drive.

Posted by: humphreyrobot at March 10, 2011 09:56 PM (EiH7n)

LOL.

Mark Levin advises calling your congresscritter by next Wednesday and saying if the GOP signs on to the CR without defunding ObamaCare, we're going to start calling it the Obama/Boehner Health Care Bill.  Curiously, Boehner and his "young guns" have stayed silent.

Posted by: RushBabe at March 10, 2011 06:23 PM (urYpw)

208 "You would think somebody from somewhere in the world might wanna say...'Hey, you kind of need to take it easy on the printing press there...kind of overdoing it and you just might have a problem.'"

Didn't Wikileaks show that the Chinese kinda sorta said that to Geithner?

Posted by: Armando at March 10, 2011 06:23 PM (N//pm)

209 I wonder what type of intimidation  if any the Reps on the Hill have been experiencing the last couple of years.

Posted by: willow at March 10, 2011 06:24 PM (h+qn8)

210 Didn't Wikileaks show that the Chinese kinda sorta said that to Geithner?

Posted by: Armando at March 10, 2011 10:23 PM (N//pm)

Would not surprise me one bit, every one of these idiots think they have all the answers and nobody else's ideas are worthy of consideration.

Posted by: Red Shirt at March 10, 2011 06:26 PM (FIDMq)

211 Didn't Wikileaks show that the Chinese kinda sorta said that to Geithner?

Yeah, but the Chinese are pulling the same shit that we are, only more so. The Yuan, recall, is still pegged to the USD. The Chinese get irritated at our printing because it inflates their currency due to the peg, but the truth is that if they let if float it would inflate a lot more (which is the reason for the peg to begin with).

There's a lot of talk about the Yuan becoming a reserve currency, but I don't see it. Almost no one outside of China uses it, and until China moves away from an export-driven economy, I don't see that changing. Further, the Commies still run China and set fiscal policy, and they're not exactly the most transparent and rule-of-law folks in the world. (Though we aren't either, these days.)

Posted by: Monty at March 10, 2011 06:29 PM (FC+dS)

212 Why don't the east/west coasters get the hell out. Maybe go live in Texas. Choices are slimming down real fast. Hell,,,,,if you an't here by now then there must be a malfunction somewhere.

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